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OnlyFans to ban porn

Started by peanutbutter, August 19, 2021, 09:41:09 PM

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Kankurette

Quote from: Jerzy Bondov on August 20, 2021, 10:23:13 AM
Increasingly I feel like OnlyFans is a pyramid scheme for getting your pussy out. There must be 0.1% of people on there who do okay out of it. It's not empowering to get below minimum wage for sex work. Or for any work for that matter. See Twitch, see Uber, see Amazon Flex, see Deliveroo. You've got your small percentage who earn a living, your smaller percentage who do really well, but the real money is made by the tech bros who made the app. Meanwhile the vast majority of people who actually produce content or provide labour get a pittance and no rights whatsoever. And we're meant to find this inspiring.
It really is. A handful of non-celebrity women make a ton of money out of it by putting out content constantly and doing whatever the punters ask them to. I didn't make anything out of it but then I only used it briefly. It's a side gig for a lot of people, that's initially why I did it but then I got ill and had to stop. The idea that anyone can get rich doing it is a lie. It's also very, very competitive. And let's not kid ourselves here - if you're plain or fat, if you look like me, you are not going to be coining it in.

One advantage for sex workers is that they have more control over their clients on OF, but even then it's not 100% safe. Some sex workers have had their IDs stolen or people stalk them or upload their videos elsewhere without their consent, which also happened with Clips4Sale - some big name models in a certain kink yanked their videos off C4S because they got sick of tight bastards pirating them.

Cloud

I honestly didn't think OnlyFans was to do with anything BUT porn.  Can't see them lasting.

Wonder if some other site will pop up, there is definitely a market for those who are lucky enough to be quite physically attractive to sell their nudes/videos/etc as an amateur porn subscription that will shortly be lacking its most famous outlet.  Not just women, it's very popular with the femboy types as well.

Edit: reading back, sounds like plenty of alternatives that will soon pick it up.  But I can't see OF surviving that.  Besides, who is really interested in paying to watch some self described amateur "celebrity" for much else?  It works for Twitch, but that's about it.   Unless it arises as a good alternative to Youtube.

bgmnts

I have a friend who posts like anonymous, classy erotica style nude pictures. You don't see any vag so I'm unsure if that's porn. Would you class FHM or page 3 as porn?

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: bgmnts on August 20, 2021, 09:36:22 PM
I have a friend who posts like anonymous, classy erotica style nude pictures. You don't see any vag so I'm unsure if that's porn. Would you class FHM or page 3 as porn?

not sure what's on display is how it works

Noodle Lizard

Quote from: Cloud on August 20, 2021, 09:32:38 PM
I honestly didn't think OnlyFans was to do with anything BUT porn.  Can't see them lasting.

It seems like they're trying to become a paid/subscription version of Instagram, which they had seemingly been trying to pivot towards for a while. It was "controversial" a year or two ago when some famous model or influencer or something decided to start one without doing nudes, with the "normal" people who made up the majority of its userbase worrying that it would lead towards something like this.

thenoise

Dont know whether any of the niche barely-porn fetish stuff like 'financial domination' will manage to survive? I always thought the appeal of OF type places was the weird pseudo relationships you form with the models where they flirt with you until you buy them things on their amazon wishlist.


Kankurette

Quote from: thenoise on August 20, 2021, 10:28:43 PM
Dont know whether any of the niche barely-porn fetish stuff like 'financial domination' will manage to survive? I always thought the appeal of OF type places was the weird pseudo relationships you form with the models where they flirt with you until you buy them things on their amazon wishlist.
Yeah, I did consider doing it but there is a LOT of emotional labour involved. You have to talk to the client, make them think you care about them and exchange emails and they'll expect you to buy certain things and show them off. I'd be expected to buy heels and all sorts of shite I don't want.


Jim_MacLaine

Quote from: thenoise on August 20, 2021, 10:28:43 PM
I always thought the appeal of OF type places was the weird pseudo relationships you form with the models where they flirt with you until you buy them things on their amazon wishlist.

This is what I thought was it's USP, after all there must be billions of porn pics/vids online by now.

Chedney Honks

Mad thing is, if you ban porn from Only Fans there wouldn't be much left on there to watch! 😂😂😂

Butchers Blind

Quote from: vanilla.coffee on August 21, 2021, 07:45:10 AM
It seems Auntie has been looking into this for a while too.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/19/22633411/onlyfans-banned-explicit-porn-sex-content-after-bbc-investigation-leak

When you see OnlyFans and bbc together in a sentence, I was expecting something else.

kalowski

Only Fans Bans Whores (Only Fools and Horses)

Not that I am equating or judging any forms of sex based work. I am being funny.
So, once again. Not judging. I'm being funny.

JamesTC

How am I meant to empower women now I can't wank over their naked pictures that I bought?

Pauline Walnuts

Quote from: JamesTC on August 21, 2021, 09:48:56 AM
How am I meant to empower women now I can't wank over their naked pictures that I bought?

But it was the nakad women who sold them to you, not some Massive porno-corporation model #43,532, who only got a one off payment and that's it.

At least I think that's how the logic runs.

Jim_MacLaine

Didn't the onlyfans guy steal the idea from an adult worker who had asked him to build a bespoke 'onlyfans' style website for her.

So not the first time he (or the porn producer who now owns onlyfans) would have shafted them.

JamesTC

I am empowering while I write this.

Kankurette

Quote from: Thursday on August 19, 2021, 09:55:00 PM
Only Fans without porn is like Cookd'd and Bomb'd without being able to suggest that members of the England cricket team are paedophiles.
Yeah, where does all the paedo stuff come from?

Thursday

I'm not sure... it might even have been me that started it when the One Day World Cup Final wasn't going well and it seemed like we'd scuffed it, and everyone was very frustrated and shouting increasingly comical over the top abuse at the team I said "This is what happens when you fill a team with Paedophiles." I'm not sure why that seemed funny to me, I don't know if I got the idea from other posts in the thread I don't know if I could actually defend it if anyone questioned it as not really being an acceptable level of humor, but people have run with it since. I also knew that it would become even funnier if they actually did win from there, which they did.

I'm sure the team aren't actually paedophiles, and even if they were it wouldn't have much impact on their ability to play cricket.

Chollis

sadly anyone that watches cricket is likely a paedwraith too

mothman

Who watches cricket these days anyway? It's all on Sky.

buttgammon

Quote from: mothman on August 21, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
Who watches cricket these days anyway? It's all on Sky.

Some of The Hundred has been free-to-air, in what must be Operation Yewtree's most elaborate sting to date.

Butchers Blind

Quote from: buttgammon on August 21, 2021, 02:06:51 PM
Some of The Hundred has been free-to-air, in what must be Operation Yewtree's most elaborate sting to date.

Who doesn't like the sound of leathery balls on willowy skin.

Consignia

Quote from: buttgammon on August 21, 2021, 02:06:51 PM
Some of The Hundred has been free-to-air, in what must be Operation Yewtree's most elaborate sting to date.

Ugh... metric cricket. They're only going to catch ephebophiles with that.

buttgammon

Quote from: Consignia on August 21, 2021, 03:02:57 PM
Ugh... metric cricket. They're only going to catch ephebophiles with that.

You'd have thought Brexit would have precipitated a return to imperial noncing, wouldn't you? Even the England cricket team move with the times in some ways.

mothman

Now pondering a pre-metric currency-based Cricket game. 240 runs, so, forty overs. It'd basically be a shorter ODI, which would allow for a PROPER tea-break, with Earl Grey and cucumber sandwiches.[nb]I think I can chart my disillusionment with the game to when I learned they didn't actually do this in the tea break nowadays. I think I even mailed into the Guardian's over-by-over coverage about it.[/nb]

falafel

Quote from: kalowski on August 21, 2021, 09:07:29 AM
Only Fans Bans Whores (Only Fools and Horses)

Not that I am equating or judging any forms of sex based work. I am being funny.
So, once again. Not judging. I'm being funny.

Joke failed partly due to bad taste, partly because you didn't say "whores' tits"

Chedney Honks

Without pornographic content, OnlyFans barely has reason to exist.

Retinend

How I see it (TLDR: admittedly po-faced, I'm confused about why the payment processors are closing the lid, and whether they ought to exclude sex workers from their services.)

Patreon was operating a "don't ask don't tell" operation with its pornier users.

A gap in the market was created. OnlyFans gave legitimacy to those beneficiaries that were violating Patreon's terms of service. A migration happened.

This fed into an already large market of webcam strippers, who are seeking to professionalize their services, and to whom this platform was momentous.

The payment processor industry, of whose relation to the credit card system as a whole I am totally ignorant of, has decided no longer to support this growing sex worker industry. Out of conservatism? Or out of impatience with the arbitrary refund claims of its customer base? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Now OnlyFans wants to charm back investors[nb]I think, more accurately if I understood, that they have failed to attract any so far[/nb], and stand on the principle that they adhere to some arbitrary line of decency. Banning "porn" probably means banning images of penetrative sex, though the article I read on it was not exact on the details of what they are changing in their terms of service.

Now I'm asking myself whether sex workers are running a legitimate operation in creating pornography. In this case, is the payment processor industry/ credit card system, or whoever, are not justified in withholding their monopolistic control of payment via the internet for the sake of marginalizing this kind of transaction.

greenman

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on August 20, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
It seems like they're trying to become a paid/subscription version of Instagram, which they had seemingly been trying to pivot towards for a while. It was "controversial" a year or two ago when some famous model or influencer or something decided to start one without doing nudes, with the "normal" people who made up the majority of its userbase worrying that it would lead towards something like this.

I'd guess aiming more at an online version of celebs major or minor doing some sexy/nude photo shoot for a magazine, a market I'd imagine they could loose is there brand becomes associated more with porn and potentially stories about abuse.