Author Topic: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)  (Read 75884 times)

Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse

  • Living proof of everything wrong with the world
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2021, 08:19:40 AM »
Does the stupid bastard think that people are let use the toilet while it's being cleaned or something?!

Bernice

  • a turkey is a bad person (he/him)
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2021, 08:23:23 AM »
I'm just going to repost the bit of that Judith Butler interview that the Guardian has deleted because a) I think it's a very good diagnosis of the contradictions of GC ideology (such as it is) and their position vis-avis the far right and b) It is utterly mad that they have scrubbed it citing "developments":

Quote
It is very appalling and sometimes quite frightening to see how trans-exclusionary feminists have allied with rightwing attacks on gender. The anti-gender ideology movement is not opposing a specific account of gender, but seeking to eradicate “gender” as a concept or discourse, a field of study, an approach to social power. Sometimes they claim that “sex” alone has scientific standing, but other times they appeal to divine mandates for masculine domination and difference. They don’t seem to mind contradicting themselves.

The Terfs (trans exclusionary radical feminists) and the so-called gender critical writers have also rejected the important work in feminist philosophy of science showing how culture and nature interact (such as Karen Barad, Donna Haraway, EM Hammonds or Anne Fausto-Sterling) in favor of a regressive and spurious form of biological essentialism. So they will not be part of the coalition that seeks to fight the anti-gender movement. The anti-gender ideology is one of the dominant strains of fascism in our times. So the Terfs will not be part of the contemporary struggle against fascism, one that requires a coalition guided by struggles against racism, nationalism, xenophobia and carceral violence, one that is mindful of the high rates of femicide throughout the world, which include high rates of attacks on trans and genderqueer people.

The anti-gender movement circulates a spectre of “gender” as a force of destruction, but they never actually read any works in gender studies. Quick and fearful conclusions take the place of considered judgments. Yes, some work on gender is difficult and not everyone can read it, so we have to do better in reaching a broader public. As important as it is, however, to make complex concepts available to a popular audience, it is equally important to encourage intellectual inquiry as part of public life. Unfortunately, we are living in anti-intellectual times, and neo-fascism is becoming more normalized.

Zetetic

  • I wasn't supposed to be around this long, so…
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2021, 08:24:11 AM »
Does the stupid bastard think that people are let use the toilet while it's being cleaned or something?!
The solution has generally been a notice on the door that the toilet is being cleaned, sometimes specifying the gender or possible range of genders of the cleaner, allowing virtuous people and bathroom exhibitionists alike to make an informed choice.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2021, 08:36:24 AM »
Entirely on-brand for them, I know, but it's still distressing how many of the replies to David Paisley's tweet are saying that it's fine to delete it to save Butler's "embarrassment". Because yes, let's do feminism by deciding what opinions that (someone they no doubt see as) a woman is allowed to have, and censoring those that aren't permitted.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #64 on: September 08, 2021, 08:44:22 AM »
I don't think Graham has any personal trauma about transgender people, like The Crying Game or wanting to be a woman himself, he's just a bullying cunt who can't be wrong about anything and has a misogynistic streak, as shown by the fact he can't write even remotely sympathetic female characters. transwomen are just a subset of women he can bully.

Yeah he has stated that the IT Crowd episode was where this started hasn't he? The fact that he subsequently realised this made him look like a thin-skinned pathetic twat and changed his "bitten by a radioactive arsehole" moment doesn't change that

He's a thin-skinned bully who can't handle criticism and expects constant praise from everyone. His entire online presence has been that, even before he went all-in.

I think trans issues did hit a raw nerve for him, though, because he was someone who'd built his Twitter brand around being a cuddly, pro-feminist man who stood up for cis and trans women again misogynist trolls. The problem is that he'd never done any serious work on himself to get there, he was just getting off on feeling like a hero and having women tell him how great he was while he pilloried random no-mark accounts for being less enlightened than him - as someone who hung around the feminist blogosphere in the 2000s (PoirotsBigGarlickyCorpse will probably concur), this is really common behaviour in cishet men. What happened with the IT Crowd criticism is that he was confronted with his own unexamined misogyny, homophobia and transphobia, he patronisingly refused to admit they existed, then feminists started speaking out against him and he turned on them for being insufficiently deferential to their king. So I do think the fact it was an area relating to gender / feminism is significant, because it exposed a massive weakness he'd built his brand around attacking other people for having, but the whole he's closeted / got caught wanking to a trans woman explanation isn't great for a number of reasons.

amateur

  • Not feeling it, tbh
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2021, 09:23:43 AM »
I think trans issues did hit a raw nerve for him, though, because he was someone who'd built his Twitter brand around being a cuddly, pro-feminist man who stood up for cis and trans women again misogynist trolls. The problem is that he'd never done any serious work on himself to get there, he was just getting off on feeling like a hero and having women tell him how great he was while he pilloried random no-mark accounts for being less enlightened than him - as someone who hung around the feminist blogosphere in the 2000s (PoirotsBigGarlickyCorpse will probably concur), this is really common behaviour in cishet men. What happened with the IT Crowd criticism is that he was confronted with his own unexamined misogyny, homophobia and transphobia, he patronisingly refused to admit they existed, then feminists started speaking out against him and he turned on them for being insufficiently deferential to their king. So I do think the fact it was an area relating to gender / feminism is significant, because it exposed a massive weakness he'd built his brand around attacking other people for having, but the whole he's closeted / got caught wanking to a trans woman explanation isn't great for a number of reasons.

Thank you Sophie, because this has summed it up in a way I can properly understand. I've been struggling to get my head around this whole thing for ages now.

I do say "cunt's gone bananas" a lot more now, so some good has come of this whole affair.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2021, 09:36:33 AM »
So I do think the fact it was an area relating to gender / feminism is significant, because it exposed a massive weakness he'd built his brand around attacking other people for having, but the whole he's closeted / got caught wanking to a trans woman explanation isn't great for a number of reasons.

Thank you for this, it's really clear. I think a similar thing applies to a lot of them: the very vocal second-wavers are as passionate against us as they are because they've defined themselves and their senses of self as progressive and pro-equality, and the suggestion is really upsetting to them that their opinions are regressive on some topics because they haven't done enough work on how they understand them.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2021, 09:37:47 AM »
I have wondered if he's going to end up developing a taste for sissy porn, though, given how much of it he apparently watches for research. So a consequence of his monomania, not a cause.

Sonny_Jim

  • Kirkladn has a small penis
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2021, 09:39:13 AM »
Let's play a game of 'Is that true?'



Ok, so 5 minutes googling gives me 28 transgender people murdered in the US in the first six months of 2021.  Last year was 44.

Now I can't be fucking arsed to find the other figure to compare, but as an avid hate-reader of the Sordid Grief Blog, I'm pretty sure if there was more than 28 transgender murderers, Glinner would have paraded them on his blog, dead names and all.  From memory I think he's managed to find about 2 in the course of running his blog?

Also here he is (as promised) being all Major Misunderstanding about toilet cleaners


Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2021, 09:44:19 AM »
If by "establishment" he means "toilet" then he may be right, but he is also using "establishment" wrong so who the fuck knows

George Oscar Bluth II

  • Karma: +69 / -420
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #70 on: September 08, 2021, 10:11:19 AM »
He makes it sound like it's the law that male cleaners can't go into female toilets while somewhere is open?

Or does he think there's some kind of penis detecting forcefield that would throw them out, like when the ghosts in Ghosts attempt to leave the grounds of the house?

Chollis

  • Master of Codes
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2021, 10:16:01 AM »
Dum-dum-dum dum.  DUR DURR

Host: Hello and welcome to mastermind, our first contestant is Glinner and his specialist subject is toilets:

Question 1:  Who invente-

Glinner: JK Rowling

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2021, 10:20:40 AM »
He makes it sound like it's the law that male cleaners can't go into female toilets while somewhere is open?

Oh, to be as confident as a terf saying something incorrect

George Oscar Bluth II

  • Karma: +69 / -420
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2021, 10:24:38 AM »
I've looked it up and it's in the Male Cleaners (Toilets) (Gone Bananas) Act 1999

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2021, 10:44:27 AM »
He makes it sound like it's the law that male cleaners can't go into female toilets while somewhere is open?

Or does he think there's some kind of penis detecting forcefield that would throw them out, like when the ghosts in Ghosts attempt to leave the grounds of the house?
There are lots of online discussions about this but nobody seems able to point to any law prohibiting it (in the various parts of the UK or other places), or indeed prohibiting anyone from using any toilet:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Law/Question1165273.html
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3140457-Is-it-legal-for-a-man-to-use-the-womens-toilet-in-England-Scotland
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-a-female-cleaner-is-allowed-into-a-male-public-toilet-in-a-shopping-centre-for-example-while-it-is-occupied-but-a-male-cleaner-in-a-female-toilet-would-be-arrested

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2021, 10:46:07 AM »
Thank you for this, it's really clear. I think a similar thing applies to a lot of them: the very vocal second-wavers are as passionate against us as they are because they've defined themselves and their senses of self as progressive and pro-equality, and the suggestion is really upsetting to them that their opinions are regressive on some topics because they haven't done enough work on how they understand them.

The other thing about second wavey TERF types is that they see themselves as speaking for all women. The existence of women's experiences that drastically differ from theirs - and I don't even mean trans women specifically - rob them of that authority by showing that they're only speaking for an extremely narrow demographic.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2021, 10:48:35 AM »
Dum-dum-dum dum.  DUR DURR

Host: Hello and welcome to mastermind, our first contestant is Glinner and his specialist subject is The Works of JK Rowling:

Question 1:  Who was Harry Potter's best friend at Hogwarts Academy?

Glinner: Ralph


Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #77 on: September 08, 2021, 10:52:51 AM »
Correct. I would have also accepted: J.K. Rowling.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #78 on: September 08, 2021, 11:00:27 AM »
Dum-dum-dum dum.  DUR DURR

Host: Hello and welcome to mastermind, our first contestant is Gl...

Glinner: JK Rowling

buttgammon

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • No chicken or poultry in the flat
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #79 on: September 08, 2021, 11:01:48 AM »
The Mastermind stuff is making me think of this incident where the Manchester team on University Challenge kept answering 'Karl Marx' or 'Leon Trotsky' to every question. As it happens, one of them was David Aaronovitch, so all the jokes in this thread are doing is reversing the relationship between political obsessives fucking up quiz shows and middle-aged media man brain rot.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #80 on: September 08, 2021, 11:05:20 AM »
The other thing about second wavey TERF types is that they see themselves as speaking for all women. The existence of women's experiences that drastically differ from theirs - and I don't even mean trans women specifically - rob them of that authority by showing that they're only speaking for an extremely narrow demographic.

Yes, e.g., reactions to women of colour disagreeing with them.

MojoJojo

  • Member
  • **
  • Between a cow college and a MetaLab.
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2021, 11:09:40 AM »
There are lots of online discussions about this but nobody seems able to point to any law prohibiting it (in the various parts of the UK or other places), or indeed prohibiting anyone from using any toilet:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Law/Question1165273.html
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3140457-Is-it-legal-for-a-man-to-use-the-womens-toilet-in-England-Scotland
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-a-female-cleaner-is-allowed-into-a-male-public-toilet-in-a-shopping-centre-for-example-while-it-is-occupied-but-a-male-cleaner-in-a-female-toilet-would-be-arrested

From loo.co.uk
Quote
The Sexual Discrimination Act 1975 allows employment of male or female staff to clean toilets. Courtesy signs stating “male or female cleaners at this site” help thepublic to feel more secure when confronted by a mobile cleaner of the opposite sex.

Zetetic

  • I wasn't supposed to be around this long, so…
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #82 on: September 08, 2021, 11:11:18 AM »
I don't understand how people haven't seen those signs for themselves if they're old enough to be capable of forming sentences.

imitationleather

  • "The French... are famous... for their kissing"
    • http://last.fm/user/ImiLeathr
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #83 on: September 08, 2021, 11:14:41 AM »
Me neither. I see them in pretty much every public loo I go to.

And, believe me, I go to a lot!

MojoJojo

  • Member
  • **
  • Between a cow college and a MetaLab.
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #84 on: September 08, 2021, 11:15:34 AM »
It's only Glinner who doesn't seem to have seen the signs. Most of the other posts are about men using the ladies bogs.

(the law seems to be there is no law against it, but building owners are allowed to discriminate and not allow men into the ladies if they want to)

Zetetic

  • I wasn't supposed to be around this long, so…
Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #85 on: September 08, 2021, 11:20:56 AM »
Did you know anyone can self-identify as a toilet cleaner?

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #86 on: September 08, 2021, 11:21:29 AM »
Recalling this isn't the first time he's gone after Robin Ince

He likes using this pass-agg approach on honest people, trying to goad them into saying something that will get them piled on either way.

Such an awful bully. He will always be more cunt than bananas.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #87 on: September 08, 2021, 11:22:03 AM »
lmao



A career homophobe, the banjo player from Mumford & Sons, a woman currently charged with malicious communications, that Tory who had his beanie nicked and bananacunt are going to have a little chat on zoom. Hilarity no doubt ensues.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #88 on: September 08, 2021, 11:25:00 AM »
Again I'm reminded of Simon Munnery - in his recent show The Wreath he talked about cleaning the ladies' bogs in a local factory. All he had to do was open the door, call out "man cleaning!" or whatever and he "never had a problem".

So Graham's full of shit as well as being a grifting, begging embarrassment. Fleecing old ladies' pensions? Get a real fucking job you loser.

Re: G11nner's erosion eleven: TERF speedrun (career/family skip, any%)
« Reply #89 on: September 08, 2021, 11:27:40 AM »

Hey Judith, you write words bad.
You must try to write words better.
Remember to try and make your words good,
To be understood by my TERF friends better.

And anytime you think you’re smrt, hey Judith, don’t strt,
Don't bother your arse, just draw your pension.
For well you know you’re not enbee, you’re just a she,
Take it from a man luv, pay attention.

Hey Judith, just dumb it down.
I have told you, a man has spoken.
Remember to pitch at the bottom rung,
Then you've begun to write words
Better better better better better better, oh.

Ba na na bananana, bananana, hey Judith...
(repeat until wife, kids and career leave, fade)

Tags: