Author Topic: 24 - was it any good?  (Read 2570 times)

mothman

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2021, 10:37:09 PM »
Still think about your one saying "Behrooz" all these years later as well. Nominated for an Oscar you know?

Yes, for The House Of Sand and Fog. I daren’t watch The Expanse while my wife is around in case she finds out that Behrooz’s mum is in it.

BeardFaceMan

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2021, 10:39:48 PM »
What was the clip from a Japanese show that had a 24 parody with the real Tony Almeida in it? It was suitably mental (possibly involving a Japanese man in his pants) and our Tone was very game and corpsing through it. I'm definitely sure that was something I saw and not dreamt.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2021, 10:42:12 PM »
Didn't Jack get some hunky side-kick (Kim's boyfriend?) and cut the fucker's hand off? Also remember a Go-Betweens reference in one of the more boring series with Jack's dad in it. Easy to forget how gripping it was at the time. Was it the first programme to have after-show discussion programmes? I want to watch them all again now. Just thought about that horrible snivelling president they had in one of the series.

mothman

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2021, 10:45:29 PM »
Didn't Jack get some hunky side-kick (Kim's boyfriend?) and cut the fucker's hand off?

Chase, played by James Badge Dale, who I last saw as one of the baddies in Iron Man 3. He lost his hand at the end of season 3. The one where Jack cries at the end.

Mobius

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2021, 10:55:50 PM »
Yeah that was a cool season. Salazar, the prison. Chase Edmunds was a good character. Also the same season with the Cordilla virus and English villain Stephen Saunders.

mothman

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2021, 10:57:10 PM »
Was Chase ever mentioned again? Never reappeared, for sure. EDIT: Oh, apparently he died did.

Mobius

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2021, 11:02:05 PM »
I think it was implied he had died off-screen in season 6, as he was living in Valencia (LA) where the suitcase nuke went off. (edit just seen the above post RIP)

The actor went on to be in "Rubicon" which was a really underappreciated show.


Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2021, 11:55:17 PM »
They didn't ditch it, they just truncated the opening voiceover. They also dropped the mention of what day it was ("of the California presidential primary"). But the time was always visible and it was implicit that it was in real time. Bet I'm being stupid and have misunderstood you.

Also, the idea of mini-screen shots of a character sleeping has really tickled me.

That's what I mean, I took dropping the "events occur in real time" voiceover to mean that you weren't necessarily watching every scene sequentially, but the bits where they had the clock up were happening at the same time. I think they dropped mentioning what day it was after season one partly because they don't all run 12am to 12am.

Jack definitely nods off for a minute in the first season, I think there might be bits in other seasons where characters go for a nap for a few episodes then come back.

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2021, 01:12:22 AM »
If you only watch one series, watch series 5.  It's the right mix of suspense, heart, and completely ridiculous bollocks.

The thing as a whole - I'm not surprised that's it's not mentioned too much these days.  It was a show that goes straight through you.  Fun while it lasts, but there's nothing to mull over once it's finished.  It's there and it's gone, but it's a fun ride.

batwings

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2021, 07:22:09 AM »
What was the clip from a Japanese show that had a 24 parody with the real Tony Almeida in it? It was suitably mental (possibly involving a Japanese man in his pants) and our Tone was very game and corpsing through it. I'm definitely sure that was something I saw and not dreamt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdRELMuS1E

Still makes me laugh.

Magnum Valentino

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2021, 07:50:48 AM »
That's what I mean, I took dropping the "events occur in real time" voiceover to mean that you weren't necessarily watching every scene sequentially, but the bits where they had the clock up were happening at the same time. I think they dropped mentioning what day it was after season one partly because they don't all run 12am to 12am.

The following events take place between 4am and 5am... and it's Tuesday.

BeardFaceMan

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2021, 08:05:33 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdRELMuS1E

Still makes me laugh.

That's the chap, I was misremembering vest as pants. Ta muchly.

Edit - shit, totally forgot about Michael Jackson.

amateur

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2021, 08:30:19 AM »
Season 1 was good, though suffered a bit from bafflingly only being initially commisioned for 12 episodes. Hence why they had to basically start again in the second half of the season.

Season 2 is superb and well worth another watch.

Season 5 is probably as good as two, everything else is pretty poor but diverting.

batwings

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2021, 08:46:25 AM »
That's the chap, I was misremembering vest as pants. Ta muchly.

Edit - shit, totally forgot about Michael Jackson.

This clip benefits from activating automated english subtitles.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2021, 08:53:12 AM »
I started at season two (can't remember why I didn't watch the first series) and I loved it.  Absolutely bonkers and each season got progressively weaker, but at its best it was one of the most fun, adrenaline-fuelled TV series out there.
I've still never watched season one.  Given that it's generally thought of as the best, I might watch it soon and pretend it's a new prequel series of 24 with a digitally de-aged Kiefer Sutherland.

Ant Farm Keyboard

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2021, 08:54:07 AM »
Chase, played by James Badge Dale, who I last saw as one of the baddies in Iron Man 3. He lost his hand at the end of season 3. The one where Jack cries at the end.

James Badge Dale gave interviews before the season finale, where he spoilt a few things, probably with the intent of getting a larger part in the next series. The producers, in retaliation, changed a few things from the version that aired and didn't ask him back for season 4.

Season 1, in spite of its many flaws, was the most effective one.
Season 5 had a great twist and a great villain that elevated it immensely.
Season 2 got the flaws ironed out (apart from the Kim Bauer subplots), but it also started the transformation of Jack Bauer into this nearly mythological figure.
Season 3 was efficient, but also a little dull.
Season 4 was the one where the creator, Joel Surnow, indulged in a very hard way in his right wing ideas. The whole subplot with the "Amnesty Global" attorney (played by an actor associated with a Jewish character in the mind of the audience), or its defense of torture as the only way to extract information were quite cringe-indulging. That's the one where they gleefully torture the son of the Secretary of Defense (and Aubrey's brother), with the full support of the Secretary, because the polygraph showed that he was hiding something. The "something" being that he had a threesome with a girl and a dude, as he didn't want to reveal he was bi (or gay).
Still, it was season 6 that made me stop the show. The showrunner was Howard Gordon, with Surnow not having any involvement with the writing, but it was filled with stupid and pointless twists. The family soap opera about the Bauers, the retcons, and the fact that an hour after a whole area of L.A. was nuked we're back to a completely normal situation, without anybody panicking.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2021, 09:08:39 AM »
Awful post-Patriot Act copaganda that broke its own formal device to become just another show.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2021, 11:49:23 AM »
I never watched a whole series, but a couple of years I got hooked midway through, and started watching another series or 2 at the start but got bored. It's not terrible as genre TV, but equally it's not good. Didn't people watch a series all in one go, wasn't that a thing? I suspect putting it on non-stop for 24 hours is probably the way to experience it so you can do other shit(s) during the boring bits. And then Homeland came out from (some of) the same people and critics were "a proper serious series at last" and soon it was exactly the same with endless gimmicks and stupid cliffhangers.

I remember lots of people being really excited because Sara Gilbert was in it and they fancied her from Roseanne. Not just for warmongerers and armchair torture fans! Other bonus stuff: giving Dennis Hopper another chance to be a psycho with a funny accent. And the fantastic Emmy the Great song.

Bad Ambassador

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2021, 02:38:47 PM »
I remember that it got to the point where Kiefer Sutherland had to do a public service announcement explaining that torture doesn't actually work.

I was a bit worried about his politics, but he's actually pro-socialised medicine and free universities and happy to be called a socialist, so that's something.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2021, 04:31:33 PM »
He's also happy to be called a pirate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCiageqMHJc

Inspector Norse

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2021, 04:54:16 PM »
I was a bit worried about his politics, but he's actually pro-socialised medicine and free universities and happy to be called a socialist, so that's something.

Not that surprising when you read about his granddad.

Better Midlands

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2021, 06:33:44 PM »
Which series was it where the terrorist plots had a Russian dolls vibe, where each plot was actually diverting from an even bigger attack. I think there were three plots in total. Bonkers show.

I watched at least the first 4/5 seasons and it was very enjoyable but I can't remember any plots. Didn't it get into a formula of 6x4hr or 4x6hr mini plots eventually?

Watched one or two seasons of Designated Survivor and thought it was pretty decent.

mothman

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2021, 07:57:01 PM »
Designated Survivor was OK but it suffered in some ways from the same problem 24 did. It depicted these seismic events and yet normal everyday life returns almost immediately. The US government is a huge entity yet everything is done by two or three people in a room rather than the huge assemblies of officials from literally any agency or department you could name and some you can’t. The actual investigation into the attack that kicks off the story seems to be conducted by precisely two people.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2021, 08:23:11 PM »
I've watched all series, for my sins.

The best:

Season One: If only for the final episode, twist and carnage!

Season Five: Again, a great twist, and some awesome carnage.

Season Seven: Tony's back, a pretty decent plot and a great co-star in Annie Wersching. I think this is the one where terrorists, funded by the president of a Private Military Corporation (who was behind the hijinks in the TV Movie- Jonah Hodge?) take over the White House so that he can become part of American Foreign Policy.

Coda:
After the series ended there was 24: Live Another Day which I remember enjoying, but no details except that at the end Jack surrenders to the Russians in exchange for Chloe's life.

I think Tony was also in the reboot, 24: Legacy, because he needed work. A very boring subplot about the main characters brother who was a gang leader (yawn) who used to date his brothers girlfriend/ wife (double yawn) and the current girlfriend of the main characters brother being jealous (triple yawn).

Magnum Valentino

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2021, 09:31:22 PM »
What was the twist in season 5?

mothman

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2021, 09:34:09 PM »
He’d won, everything is dandy… and then he’s suddenly kidnapped by the Chinese - that he’d faked his death to escape at the end of season 4, after he killed someone in their LA consulate.

Ant Farm Keyboard

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2021, 12:03:34 AM »
What was the twist in season 5?

President Logan had been depicted as a weakling who doesn't understand much about what's happening. Then it is revealed he's been behind the whole events.

Ant Farm Keyboard

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Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2021, 01:17:06 AM »
Designated Survivor was OK but it suffered in some ways from the same problem 24 did. It depicted these seismic events and yet normal everyday life returns almost immediately. The US government is a huge entity yet everything is done by two or three people in a room rather than the huge assemblies of officials from literally any agency or department you could name and some you can’t. The actual investigation into the attack that kicks off the story seems to be conducted by precisely two people.

Designated Survivor suffered from having a whole rotating cast of showrunners during the three seasons, that had conflicting ideas about the show. There were actually three different showrunners during season 1, where the emphasis was on the aftermath of the attack, and on the conspiracy. It was quite uneven (the drama with the kids...), but it told some consistent story.
Then, the guy who handled season 2 turned it into The West Wing 2.0, with some personal drama for the president. The original conspiracy is wrapped two episodes in, after some ham-fisted resolution. Maggie Q, who was supposed to be this show's Jack Bauer was by this point sidelined most of the time, and when an episode focused on her, the spy work was completely stupid. I remember that at some point she was supposed to interrogate somebody in a small town, but she would travel alone, without any reinforcement for no reason, she meets a group of bad guys, and then there's gunfire, which was what the writer and the showrunner desperately wanted to show from the start.
After two seasons, the show was canceled by ABC, as some clause in the contracts specified, on Kiefer Sutherland's behest, that production was supposed to move from Canada to L.A. (where he lives), which would result in the show being much more expensive to shoot. Netflix still picked the option, and there were ten more episodes, which I haven't seen, but apparently with another set of major cast and tone changes.

The show was extremely frustrating. With Trump's election, the writers had this unique opportunity to show what a maverick turned POTUS should do to bring people together and change the statu quo. Instead of that, we just got lame melodrama involving most of the time invented countries, as they didn't want to offend viewers.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2021, 09:30:21 AM »
I enjoyed the show, except the one where they kill off a load of long-term characters in episode one. And I didn't see much of the one set in the UK, even though I believe I know someone who was in it.

Re: 24 - was it any good?
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2021, 10:55:06 AM »
It's the best box set programme ever. You can't watch just one.

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