Hadley Freeman fucks off [split topic]

[idunnosomename]

ehhh. Mark Steel's attacked "the Corbyn cult" when trying to be both sides, and doubled down quite strongly. I quite like him but he's only self-aware by the ludicrously twisted standards of the British media

[Sebastian Cobb]

ehhh. Mark Steel's attacked "the Corbyn cult" when trying to be both sides, and doubled down quite strongly. I quite like him but he's only self-aware by the ludicrously twisted standards of the British media

Yep he was acting as a flak shield when Hyde did the same thing and someone did a bit of digging to reveal they're both part of the same agency. Seems that on some level, he's part of the clique and will protect it when it comes under fire.

[Video Game Fan 2000]

This is like when the ship was moved from the suez canal all over again.

[Cold Meat Platter]

Cracking stuff

[chveik]

baddiel is a selective idpol guy

[TrenterPercenter]

ehhh. Mark Steel's attacked "the Corbyn cult" when trying to be both sides, and doubled down quite strongly. I quite like him but he's only self-aware by the ludicrously twisted standards of the British media

There appears to be those that were actively hostile to Corbyn, but also those that who weren't hostile to Corbyn but had mad, angry people (largely online) acting like twats in the name of Corbyn, some of these were astrotrufers no doubt but a lot of them were genuine but mad conspiracy theorists, antisemitic and generally nasty miserable people jumping on a populist "leftwing" bandwagon. 

I think (I stress think) people like Mark Steel experienced the latter; I didn't really get the impression he was hostile to the cause as such but annoyed (as many of use were) at the behaviours of people online - which people like him in and others in the media didn't do enough to clarify their positions is anyones guess.

[chveik]

it's a bit of a myth, like the 'bernie bros'. i don't spend time on twitter though

[TrenterPercenter]

it's a bit of a myth, like the 'bernie bros'. i don't spend time on twitter though

It isn't a myth; it's complicated but it isn't a myth; it was a broad scale populist movement (and I don't mean in the negative sense) so it is going to attract a lot of different people; angry people, unwell people, and people that have a poor understanding of socialism and where it actually comes from (i.e. a lot of brave Jewish people).

[Video Game Fan 2000]

"Obama boys" was the original and I'd be interested if we could ever find out its origin, how planned it was and how much social engineer actually went into it, was the sexism part a major component from the beginning or was it serendipity because so many libfems ran with it, etc.

It's easy to imagine someone in a centrist thinktank looking at how toxic fandoms were in 2005 and how online forums were so clearly stratified by income bracket and ethnically homogenous, and thinking Hmmmmm I have an idea... but the reality has to be a lot more complex and random than that. I guess the stuff about the Jacobin should probably be mentioned just in terms of how artificial it all was and the rotters landed on their feet afterwards.

It's probably something we wouldn't know much about for a decade or so because so many influential and respected people would look like moronic bullies if we did. History tweeted by the winners.

[jobotic]

I can't believe she's fucked off.

what are we going to do?

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Grin and then breath the cool, fresh air.

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

Mark Steel writes (or wrote) a column for the Independent and he seems to be pretty self-aware.

Trying to think of another newspaper columnist who isn't shit. To be fair I haven't read a print newspaper for years.

Marina Hyde used to be quite readable and funny, but her schtick has worn so thin, and her writing so can- barely- be- arsed, nowadays that I 've stopped reading her.

[Buelligan]

Sat down and thought, I will read this.  Get an insight.  I will devote this time to reading this and maybe learn something.

I read for a bit, realised I was just pushing the words in, just eating up those words to get to the end.  So I stopped.  Who would volunteer to do that regularly?  Farewell Hadley Freeman, I will forget you.

[phantom_power]

"Obama boys" was the original and I'd be interested if we could ever find out its origin, how planned it was and how much social engineer actually went into it, was the sexism part a major component from the beginning or was it serendipity because so many libfems ran with it, etc.

It's easy to imagine someone in a centrist thinktank looking at how toxic fandoms were in 2005 and how online forums were so clearly stratified by income bracket and ethnically homogenous, and thinking Hmmmmm I have an idea... but the reality has to be a lot more complex and random than that. I guess the stuff about the Jacobin should probably be mentioned just in terms of how artificial it all was and the rotters landed on their feet afterwards.

It's probably something we wouldn't know much about for a decade or so because so many influential and respected people would look like moronic bullies if we did. History tweeted by the winners.

Isn't it just the case that this is the internet and therefore any group or faction will have its fair share of arseholes whose voice is given equal, if not more, weight than anyone else regardless of how influential or important they actually are. It is quite easy to pick and choose those people in order to be disingenuous and say they are representative of their whole "side" Added to that the anonymity means that you can get someone from one side pretending to be from the other side and behaving badly to bring disrepute

[mjwilson]

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/so-long-farewell-we-hadley-knew-you

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/so-long-farewell-we-hadley-knew-you

Thank you, very good.

[dissolute ocelot]

Isn't it just the case that this is the internet and therefore any group or faction will have its fair share of arseholes whose voice is given equal, if not more, weight than anyone else regardless of how influential or important they actually are. It is quite easy to pick and choose those people in order to be disingenuous and say they are representative of their whole "side" Added to that the anonymity means that you can get someone from one side pretending to be from the other side and behaving badly to bring disrepute

Clinton had loads of sexist fan boys, especially around Monica Lewinsky. So did JFK. VIolence around politics is an ancient tradition even on the left.

[phantom_power]

It is almost like sexism is still a problem in society that will infect all groups to a certain extent, even more so given what I was saying earlier about the internet being the great leveller of opinion importance

[idunnosomename]

What is most notable about this "final column" her peers are trumpeting as a masterful mic drop is how poor it is. As well as being self-absorbed to the point of clinical narcissism, it's meandering and the asides (RIP) are astonishingly unfunny.

[KennyMonster]

So the Saturday Gaurdian is to consolidate all of its supplements into one magazine

and the Guardian Guide signs off , says goodbye and farewell.

the Review section signs off , says goodbye and farewell.

various other columnists sign off, say goodbye and farewell.

Hadley Freeman writes her final column saying 'this job isn't what it was because of nasty Corbyn'   - I quit.

Seems legit.

Reminds of of Smashey and Nicey parodying DLT on Radio 1, quit before you're sacked.

Trying to think of another newspaper columnist who isn't shit. To be fair I haven't read a print newspaper for years.

Up until lockdown (where my reading habits changed), I always checked out Monbiots columns.
I loved/hated them.
He would/could/is so insightful where it comes to UK politics and the environment, would really follow the money and do a lot of research.

BUT in recent years (the last 5 years or so) he's had such a blind spot when it comes to foreign affairs an military interventions where he seems to just follow the mainstream narratives of the centrists/right wing, the contrast is staggering. 

[Ferris]

What is most notable about this "final column" her peers are trumpeting as a masterful mic drop is how poor it is. As well as being self-absorbed to the point of clinical narcissism, it's meandering and the asides (RIP) are astonishingly unfunny.

A real shame as usually her output is of such high quality.

[idunnosomename]

The Breakfast Club (1985).

[kngen]

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/so-long-farewell-we-hadley-knew-you

Great piece, and also worth following the link in that to the Paglia-Burchill fax feud (which I was vaguely aware of, but never actually read). Was never a huge fan of Paglia, but - hoooboy! - she absolutely nailed CaB's favourite antisemitic philosemite.

[Sherman Krank]

For me Clive, someone named Hadley Freeman should be a character in an old Ealing comedy played by Terry-Thomas.

[Famous Mortimer]

Even the "good" columnists are operating on a very low hit-rate. I'm glad it's dying out, and I'm glad we'll get fewer people like Hadley Freeman given a national platform.

[Mister Six]

Isn't it just the case that this is the internet and therefore any group or faction will have its fair share of arseholes whose voice is given equal, if not more, weight than anyone else regardless of how influential or important they actually are.

Yes, per a Harvard study into the so-called Bernie Bros.

Although even if a particular candidate happens to attract a disproportionate number of loons online, it doesn't actually fucking matter, so long as they themselves are decent people with good policies. In terms of size of active user base, Twitter is an utter irrelevance - or ought to be, except that a big chunk of the relatively small number of people using it are journalists and self-facilitating media nodes like David Baddiel who are way too online, and therefore Sanders supporters sending snake emojis to Elizabeth Warren becomes a major talking point, rather than just more pus filling the cyst that is social media.

A friend of mine, who is ordinarily level-headed, affable and highly intelligent, but who is, unfortunately, also a journalist with a Twitter addiction, stopped talking to me for a bit when I suggested that if you believe the US should have socialised healthcare but refuse to back Bernie Sanders because of his followers' behaviour, you're making a morally bankrupt decision from a position of absurd privilege. (He did vote for Sanders in the end, and apologised to me, but obviously went mad there for a bit.)

[Mister Six]

philosemite.

A Jewish stamp collector?

[Johnny Yesno]

No, a cartoon cowboy.

[mothman]

For me Clive, someone named Hadley Freeman should be a character in an old Ealing comedy played by Terry-Thomas.

[Mister Six]

No, a cartoon cowboy.

+karma

Great piece, and also worth following the link in that to the Paglia-Burchill fax feud (which I was vaguely aware of, but never actually read).

The Modern Review = Lee and Herring's Ironic Review?