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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #300 on: October 13, 2021, 12:11:29 PM »
Mr Starmer:



Very good.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #301 on: October 13, 2021, 12:24:48 PM »
this doesn't look Very Good for corbyn

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« Reply #302 on: October 13, 2021, 12:28:34 PM »



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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #303 on: October 13, 2021, 12:34:43 PM »
The same bloke is annoyed about Jones tweeting about Starmer's lorry driver crap because "it's not newsworthy".

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Amusing as it is that the Labour leader crashed after refusing to listen to advice to turn left, why on earth did his advisors sign this stunt off?

They’re the self styled grown ups of politics, how could they not see the REALLY BAD IDEA sign in flashing neon lights?
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"You'd have failed your test"

Labour leader Keir Starmer gets crash course in HGV driving

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barely newsworthy today, though, don't you think?

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is Twitter only for mentioning things deemed newsworthy?

Mack Yavelli
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given today's events I'd say so. To be distracted by someone manoeuvring an HGV is hardly doing anyone a favour.

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lol it's a Twitter feed, not a news service, I'll probably just stick to tweeting what I like if that's ok!
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Mack Yavelli
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lol, keep being distracted by the wrong enemy. Lol
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You do acknowledge Starmer should be an enemy though?
Mack Yavelli
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I don't view him as an enemy but some people obviously do

It was Starmer who chose to do this lorry driving stunt, maybe Mack should get annoyed at him rather than people mentioning it.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #304 on: October 13, 2021, 02:51:23 PM »
As if the Party has nothing better to do with its money, now this -

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Labour's Emma Hardy threatening an injunction if it's revealed she rents a flat named in the Pandora Papers



https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1448259284836487171



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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #305 on: October 13, 2021, 06:51:04 PM »
The same bloke is annoyed about Jones tweeting about Starmer's lorry driver crap because "it's not newsworthy".

It was Starmer who chose to do this lorry driving stunt, maybe Mack should get annoyed at him rather than people mentioning it.

Starmer's stans always do this, every time there's a gaffe they try and talk it down as if it's "not news".

It was exactly the same when he was on a radio phone-in with that far-right nutcase and failed to acknowledge the fact. It was all, "Yaaawn, oh are we still talking about this?"

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #306 on: October 13, 2021, 10:22:40 PM »
Leicester East then. Could be interesting. Generally safe Labour but a big Tory surge in 2019. No real Lib Dem, Green, Brexit or Independent presence.

No doubt Galloway will stick his foetid oar in.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #307 on: October 13, 2021, 10:41:45 PM »
She’s going to appeal, isn’t she? Doubt she’ll step down yet.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #308 on: October 14, 2021, 02:03:17 PM »
That all of the worst hacks (Dan Hodges, Lee Harpin etc) are going "EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECT FROM EVIL NAZI CORBYN COVEN" is beyond parody.

I also thought hearing on Radio 4 getting someone on who deals with acid attacks was a bit much. I mean its not like she organised an acid attack. she threatened one.

this is a bit odd tho.
https://twitter.com/LordIanAustin/status/1448621435581353984

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #309 on: October 14, 2021, 03:07:00 PM »
Yes, that's just unfathomably odd.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #310 on: October 14, 2021, 03:49:21 PM »
I can only think that she has some photos of him too

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #312 on: October 14, 2021, 07:13:45 PM »
They've built a political project around a fucking haircut. He has nothing. He loses people who do vote Labour and fails to win over those who don't.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #313 on: October 14, 2021, 07:17:49 PM »
It has to be deliberate doesn't it?

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #314 on: October 14, 2021, 07:32:39 PM »
The sensible wing of the Labour Party being in charge is all that matters.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #315 on: October 14, 2021, 09:18:31 PM »
I think the sensible politics-mad hacks are really surprised and upset the proles aren't excited by sensible vaugely human-shaped bits of pressed ham in suits like Wes Streeting and Rachel Reeves

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #316 on: October 14, 2021, 09:39:21 PM »
Every time you think the party can't get any more rotten, something new comes along. Even shitty news is trumped a few minutes later.

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Members have started to be emailed this afternoon confirming whether they have made the future candidates programme. Call for the panel with Keir Starmer on 1 Nov, says Labour source.

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Labour left source also gets in touch about the prog to say every left applicant they’re aware of has been rejected, including Bernie Grant graduates, councillors, ex staffers, ex community organising unit staffer. “Purely factional selection programme,” they say.

Then, a few minutes later....

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Labour source hits back: “This isn’t factional. We just aren’t insulting voters with piss poor candidates anymore.”

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1448700945932689410

Fucking scumbags. Don't really want to even look at this thread any more as it's just spiralling shit. Some of the people that the party/ Akehurst (if Skwakbox is to believed) have selected are just horrible cunts. People like Phil Brickell and some guy who was working for Theresa May 2 or 3 years back,

One thing I will do though is apologise to the people who I called hysterical when Starmer was elected. They were bang on.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #317 on: October 14, 2021, 10:16:53 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1448732875852075016

Remember though if you don't stay and campaign to get these people elected you're throwing your toys out of the pram.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #318 on: October 14, 2021, 11:57:18 PM »
It's getting to the point where by the next General Election if someone tells you they're voting Labour you'll back away from them.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #319 on: October 15, 2021, 06:42:11 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1448732875852075016

Remember though if you don't stay and campaign to get these people elected you're throwing your toys out of the pram.

So it's ok for you and others to repeatedly make the same point but not myself/JY/anyone with a different opinion to you on this?

If you think this changes anything you simply aren't even approaching the basis of our opinion, let alone attempting to understand it.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #320 on: October 15, 2021, 07:03:58 AM »
I didn't say you couldn't.

But does this really not change anything?

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #321 on: October 15, 2021, 07:16:00 AM »
But does this really not change anything?

This has been aired over and over though. If you don't understand the principle by now of  - They are in our house, if squatters come and take over our house it is still our house, the only way we can lose it is by vacating - then there is no value in repeating it.

You don't have to agree with it, but you should be able to use this to understand why clearly depressing, rubbish news such as the above makes no difference to anyone applying this principle, or by extension why other members stay and fight, especially for the socialists in the PLP and, while not perfect, some of the amenable parts of the centre left.

If you trawl through these topics you will find I made a reasonably early call that Starmer's mission is to destroy any prospect whatsoever of a left wing Labour leader, and he has managed this part of the job adroitly, with predictable results of left wingers getting pissed off and leaving, to find there is nowhere to go. It's not like I haven't considered leaving several times over. But if you have an existential tug of war quitting because the other side is putting you off and cheating doesn't make it any less existential. This isn't about fairness. You quit, you make it harder for those left (and then with astounding lack of self-awareness use the vanishing likelihood of victory that you contributed to as a reason to leave!) you ultimately lose the fight, you end the bond of solidarity that is the only weapon we have to win.

This is a Left wing problem. There are too many subordinates waiting for a saviour to lead them, and too much preciousness and shock that yes, political opponents want to bury you and your friends using all sorts of deplorable tactics. Yes, it is fucking awful isn't it? What's your plan? Accept Tory rule with the shite tribute act as capitalism's Plan B?

In my view that can fuck off, if the Left understood solidarity and class position as they did in our heyday then our strength of numbers would ensure we won relevant internal struggles and reformed the PLP to look more like the membership. There isn't an alternative. You bring people together through utilising technology to make participation convenient and relevant feeling, something with mass appeal or you take your ball home and have a cry while the people you despise run the party.
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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #322 on: October 15, 2021, 08:00:43 AM »
It's not like I haven't considered leaving several times over. But if you have an existential tug of war quitting because the other side is putting you off and cheating doesn't make it any less existential.

Similarly I must think, at least once a day, about jacking my membership in. It's not like I can't find plenty of other places to spend a fiver. However I keep reminding myself that if I'm in I can at least throw my meagre weight behind whatever left candidate happens to appear. More than that though, I don't want to give those right wing bell ends the satisfaction of me leaving. I'd be perfectly happy to be thrown out because the decision would be out of my hands. However, as depressing as it is to stay, I'm going to because I can at least try to make things more difficult for them to gain complete control. I may be chipping at an iceberg but it's something at least.

Not sure if I'll be voting Labour again though. I'm in Liverpool and it seems that the current leadership is desperately trying to shake support from the city. Starmer writing for the Sun and the recent allowance of the arms fair to be held here can't be taken as anything other than deliberate antagonisation...although I did get to meet JC at the protest, so every cloud and all that. They know we won't vote Tory and probably expect us to vote for them anyway, because where else are we going to go?

The whole thing is goosed and it looks likely the Tories will get back in again...albeit without a majority next time.

Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #323 on: October 15, 2021, 08:07:32 AM »
Take your ball home, have a cry bedwetters etc etc

I've never insulted you lot but you know what? Fuck you

Forget it. Good luck to you. I'll carry on doing absolutely FUCK ALL for anyone because that's what people outside of the Labour Party do isn't it?? And you keep paying Akehurst's wages.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #324 on: October 15, 2021, 08:12:15 AM »
Using a metaphor that appeals to the experience of being a landlord to tell me why I should be a member of the Labour party.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #325 on: October 15, 2021, 08:18:56 AM »
Yeah, it's pretty weird.  And the problem is, even if we accept that metaphor, it's not just squatters is it?  No.

A great deal of the structure of the building is rotten.  Even if those squatters leave, the whole structure is riddled with something unspeakable.

This is not about nasty Starmer or Mandy or whatever, they're just the mushrooms poking out of the beams.  The whole thing needs condemning, it's no longer fit for purpose.


By the way, for some reason, I can't load twitter any more.  This may be because I'm not a signed up twitter person and I've noticed they've been making it hard for people like me to access it lately.  Stopping you being able to click through links and the like.  So, if people refer to twitter, would it be possible for them to include the text they're referring to (as well as the link)?  That would be kind. 

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #326 on: October 15, 2021, 08:58:33 AM »
I've never insulted you lot but you know what? Fuck you

You've misrepresented us, which is pretty insulting:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1448732875852075016

Remember though if you don't stay and campaign to get these people elected you're throwing your toys out of the pram.

We won't be campaigning to get those people elected. Stop making shit up to make whatever point you think you are making.

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #327 on: October 15, 2021, 09:00:20 AM »
What does it say Johnny?

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« Reply #328 on: October 15, 2021, 09:03:48 AM »
You've misrepresented us, which is pretty insulting:

We won't be campaigning to get those people elected. Stop making shit up to make whatever point you think you are making.

There won't be any other people. Isn't that the whole fucking point of it?

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Re: Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools
« Reply #329 on: October 15, 2021, 09:14:47 AM »
What does it say Johnny?

It's a thread, which is too long to reproduce here. However, the first post, which is the most egregious, should give you an idea:

Quote from: black lives matter @jrc1921
Literally worked for the Theresa May just a couple of years ago

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Thrilled to have been accepted on to @UKLabour’s Future Candidates Programme. Looking forward to getting started!

8:30 pm · 14 Oct 2021

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