Tory conference begins today

[Paul Calf]

They're deliberately making a bags of things while stealing everything that isn't nailed down, then they'll spend a comfy few years in Opposition mocking Labour's attempts to clean up the mess the Tories made, before being voted back in once enough time has passed that they can blame the whole entire mess on the Labour party and run on that as an election platform.

Just fucking watch.

This government will outlast the Labour Party, in England at least. They have the electoral mechanims sewn up tight. They're not going anywhere.

[Paul Calf]

If you want an optimistic version of what the future of this country looks like, look at Singapore

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/the-singapore-model-advocacy-in-an-authoritarian-state/

Singapore has a class of activists who have found ways to advocate within boundaries and avoid punishments.

So that's...er...good?

[EOLAN]

Am I callous for looking straight to the by-election after Brokenshire's passing (yes I am).
Ted Heaths old Constituency. Didn't realise he remained in Parliament so long after his leadership. Never under threat. Tories could look to choose any potential candidates they want in a safe-seat.

[jobotic]

That's what I did.

They may as well stand Brokenshire again

[monkfromhavana]

At the moment, I'm thinking it will probably be never-ending Tory rule. They've got their mates either owning the media, or ensuring that it's muzzled, not that it matters because the majority of voters in the country could have their house set on fire with their kids inside and they'd say that it wasn't and it was the fault of "The Muslims"

[jobotic]

The media?

[TrenterPercenter]

There are generational problems for the Tories going forward, however whilst everyone is tutting at the Boomers and loving the youngsters a lot of over-valued property is going to change hands in the next 20 years which I imagine is going to make some millennials suddenly think Toryism isn't all bad.

I think the idea of unending Tory rule because it all decided already with fascism round the corners blah-blah-blah is silly; the Tories will be in power until the left gets it's shit together and builds a voting coalition across parties; that will me strident lefties learning to compromise and not make every issue a moral guillotine and centre left people recognising you need some radicalism to guide and capture peoples attention.  Both will need to learn to shut the fuck when needed, understand you can support something on pragmatic terms but disagree with on personal terms, and stop thinking that elections are about voting for you want but about voting to stop who you don't want getting the power.  There is also an issue of understanding how mass digital comms can be used to the lefts advantage and not just the rights constant control of the outrage economy and culture war cycle.

[gilbertharding]

They're deliberately making a bags of things while stealing everything that isn't nailed down, then they'll spend a comfy few years in Opposition mocking Labour's attempts to clean up the mess the Tories made, before being voted back in once enough time has passed that they can blame the whole entire mess on the Labour party and run on that as an election platform.

Just fucking watch.

The long 80s.

[pigamus]

Am I callous for looking straight to the by-election after Brokenshire's passing (yes I am).
Ted Heaths old Constituency. Didn't realise he remained in Parliament so long after his leadership. Never under threat. Tories could look to choose any potential candidates they want in a safe-seat.

Chesham and Amersham was supposed to be safe as well

[jobotic]

General election 2019: Old Bexley and Sidcup[9]
Party   Candidate   Votes   %   ±%
Conservative   James Brokenshire   29,786   64.5   +3.1
Labour   Dave Tingle   10,834   23.5   -5.8
Liberal Democrats   Simone Reynolds   3,822   8.3   +5.0
Green   Matt Browne   1,477   3.2   +1.5
CPA   Carol Valinejad   226   0.5   +0.3
Majority   18,952   41.1   +8.8
Turnout   46,145   69.8   -3.0

To the Lib Dems? That would be quite the swing!

Labour will obviously stick another Hartlepool bloke in

[Fambo Number Mive]

Another BBC journalist having a singalong with the Tories: https://twitter.com/JozefPFurReal/status/1446408357598879752

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

There are generational problems for the Tories going forward, however whilst everyone is tutting at the Boomers and loving the youngsters a lot of over-valued property is going to change hands in the next 20 years which I imagine is going to make some millennials suddenly think Toryism isn't all bad.

I think the idea of unending Tory rule because it all decided already with fascism round the corners blah-blah-blah is silly; the Tories will be in power until the left gets it's shit together and builds a voting coalition across parties; that will me strident lefties learning to compromise and not make every issue a moral guillotine and centre left people recognising you need some radicalism to guide and capture peoples attention.  Both will need to learn to shut the fuck when needed, understand you can support something on pragmatic terms but disagree with on personal terms, and stop thinking that elections are about voting for you want but about voting to stop who you don't want getting the power.  There is also an issue of understanding how mass digital comms can be used to the lefts advantage and not just the rights constant control of the outrage economy and culture war cycle.

This all sounds like a great 👍 idea.  They should call it new Labour, or something ;)

[chveik]

the kiss of death

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Weren't you a drum-banger for Keith though?  Whatever way you dress that up, I'd say your political nous needs work.

I don't believe I was! No longer a party member and didn't vote in the 2020 leadership either so you can't blame me I'm afraid.

Someone's gonna dig up a positive post I made about him probably (genuinely can't remember if I did any! Or how I felt about him during the contest) but any positivity would have been based on his actual pitch (Corbyn-era domestic policy with a nice suit, good haircut and a guy who doesn't demonstrably loathe Britain) rather than what he's actually done (uhhhhh)

[jamiefairlie]

There are generational problems for the Tories going forward, however whilst everyone is tutting at the Boomers and loving the youngsters a lot of over-valued property is going to change hands in the next 20 years which I imagine is going to make some millennials suddenly think Toryism isn't all bad.

I think the idea of unending Tory rule because it all decided already with fascism round the corners blah-blah-blah is silly; the Tories will be in power until the left gets it's shit together and builds a voting coalition across parties; that will me strident lefties learning to compromise and not make every issue a moral guillotine and centre left people recognising you need some radicalism to guide and capture peoples attention.  Both will need to learn to shut the fuck when needed, understand you can support something on pragmatic terms but disagree with on personal terms, and stop thinking that elections are about voting for you want but about voting to stop who you don't want getting the power.  There is also an issue of understanding how mass digital comms can be used to the lefts advantage and not just the rights constant control of the outrage economy and culture war cycle.

Do you really think this will happen?

When did it last happen? 1945?

[Catalogue of ills]

Well, it certainly won't be James Brokenshire! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58844606

I'm brokensharted

[idunnosomename]

genuinely delighted that May lackey Brokenshire is dead. more dead tories please. kinder gentler up yours. guy was a total cunt

[Jollity]

James Brokenlungs.

[beanheadmcginty]

James Chokenshire

[Buelligan]

I don't believe I was! No longer a party member and didn't vote in the 2020 leadership either so you can't blame me I'm afraid.

Someone's gonna dig up a positive post I made about him probably (genuinely can't remember if I did any! Or how I felt about him during the contest) but any positivity would have been based on his actual pitch (Corbyn-era domestic policy with a nice suit, good haircut and a guy who doesn't demonstrably loathe Britain) rather than what he's actually done (uhhhhh)

I'm not blaming you, just remembering what you've said in the past and remarking on how that ties in with being on the ball politically. 

[kalowski]

James Brokenlungs.

James Dead.

[SpiderChrist]

genuinely delighted that May lackey Brokenshire is dead. more dead tories please. kinder gentler up yours. guy was a total cunt

Ditto. My grandfather was fond of saying "The only good Tory is a dead Tory . Or a lavatory."

[Harry Badger]

Just found out that one of my best mates was playing lead guitar in that karaoke band where Coffey et al were making cunts of themselves.

[idunnosomename]

He will be cremated in four separate ovens

[kekse]

James brokenshite

[jamiefairlie]

genuinely delighted that May lackey Brokenshire is dead. more dead tories please. kinder gentler up yours. guy was a total cunt

They just spin up another one from the warehouse though

[Kankurette]

Ditto. My grandfather was fond of saying "The only good Tory is a dead Tory . Or a lavatory."

Or Tori Amos.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I'm not blaming you, just remembering what you've said in the past and remarking on how that ties in with being on the ball politically.

I mean I was right about Jeremy Corbyn's appeal to the nation wasn't I and you were wrong.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

This lot gassed yet

[Buelligan]

I mean I was right about Jeremy Corbyn's appeal to the nation wasn't I and you were wrong.

QED, a self-fulfilling prophecy that's brought us here.  Happy now?  Happy?  Proud?