XIInner: 12 Angry Men Won't Wheest: Onward Cistern Soldiers! A bonkers dozen

[sophie.pilbeam]

This is the most amazing one really. When in America people are making huge money on cancer drugs and insulin and pretty much every other drug, why would they bother with the complicated process of trying to trans the world? Well not the most amazing, one of the top ten.

It's also another situation where they swap between two positions based on which sounds scarier; the drugs in question are specialised "puberty blocking drugs" when they want it to look like a sinister plan by Big Pharma, but become "end-stage cancer drugs" when they want it to look like reckless human experimentation by ideologues.

I actually just ran the numbers, and I'm giving Big Pharma about $450 AUD a year, which is a bit over £240, or twice what it costs to subscribe to Graham's Patreon for an equivalent amount of time.

[phantom_power]

"end stage cancer drugs" is another mantra that this not-a-cult uses all the time, showing that they don't understand medicine along with every other fucking thing. Some drugs have multiple uses. I had a headache yesterday and used a drug that has been used by people to commit suicide, which sounds a lot scarier than paracetamol

[sophie.pilbeam]

I mentioned this a few threads back, but I have a cis female friend who's on the same "end stage cancer drugs" as me in order to treat adult acne breakouts. "They're putting our children on anti-acne medication" doesn't sound scary, though.

[Pink Gregory]

Deliberately phrased as if it's the drugs causing the end-stage cancer

[phantom_power]

Deliberately phrased as if it's the drugs causing the end-stage cancer

I think is more phrasing it to make it sound like incredibly powerful drugs that are a) too strong to be giving to kids and b) taking important medicine away from cancer sufferers and maybe even a bit of c) being disrespectful to cancer sufferers for using the same drugs. I don't know though. They are off the fucking chain

[Jumblegraws]

The Guardian not being a complete cunt about it for a change:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/14/language-society-trans-people-tolerance-debate-words

I mean, it's still a beige centrist rag and Zoe W is irritating, but I'm pleased at the thought that both Moore and Freeman will hate this.

That article can basically be summarised as "Oppression of women is historically tied up with the biology of cis women, but it doesn't follow from this that contemporary trans-inclusive language will weaken resistance to that oppression", which of course is a fucking obvious point that every non-bananas person has been making since the beginning. I'm glad the article has been published, but depressed that the expression of that belief is seen as in anyway remarkable (on this forum, at any rate), let alone taking the form of several hundred carefully chosen words.

[retsuza]

They talk about "cross sex hormones" as if HRT is pure poison. Same type of person calling trans healthcare "experimental" is saying the same thing about covid vaccines.

I see a lot of them saying trans men could develop male pattern baldness on testosterone, which may be unfortunate, but uh, isn't that what you might expect? They're men with male hormones, that's just a normal part of life.

[Small Potatoes]

That article can basically be summarised as "Oppression of women is historically tied up with the biology of cis women, but it doesn't follow from this that contemporary trans-inclusive language will weaken resistance to that oppression", which of course is a fucking obvious point that every non-bananas person has been making since the beginning. I'm glad the article has been published but depressed that the expression of that belief is seen as in anyway remarkable (on this forum, at any rate), let alone taken the form of several hundred carefully chosen words.

Yep, it's thin gruel all right. I'm just surprised the Guardian has even gone this far given its past (and ongoing) positions, but as expected Suzanne Moore is already frothing about it on Twitter as the "Stockholm syndrome of pretend feminism."

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

I see a lot of them saying trans men could develop male pattern baldness on testosterone

Oh I'm sure trans men would just hate it if their bodies underwent a change that almost exclusively happens to men.

[fancywookiee]

Nintendo has been Captured and is Transing our kids.

Soon to be three games grooming children to believe they can be both a kid and, get this, a squid.

Absolutely shameful and careless marketing from Nintendo, who are institutionally captured by Big Cephalopod.

[mippy]

Seeing some absolutely insane terf takes about the John Lewis ad. A lot of them seem to be annoyed that "insurance wouldn't cover intentional damage" as if that's even the point?

This one is just incredible though:
https://twitter.com/AliceB38586447/status/1448313026092933123?t=68oy-0SJQscETQtvPGG2Fg&s=19

Love the combination of making up shit your kid said and paranoid pattern matching lunacy.

https://twitter.com/RedGabcsika/status/1448957640143523840

It is literally my job to analyse adverts and I don't even think about them this much. It#s basically the Heinz ad (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jun/24/asa.advertising) all over again.

[Jumblegraws]

https://twitter.com/RedGabcsika/status/1448957640143523840

It is literally my job to analyse adverts and I don't even think about them this much. It#s basically the Heinz ad (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jun/24/asa.advertising) all over again.

Bloody hell, I remember the outcry over that ad (I was in the US at the time and Bill O'Reilly did a whole segment on it) but I didn't realise/had forgotten it got pulled. I always thought that if there was any case to be made against that ad, it was that it was homophobic, since ostensively it presents a same-sex relationship as innately risible (although ultimately I'd think that stance was wrong). Same goes for this John Lewis ad in relation to gender non-conformance.

[Cuellar]

Is there anything (subliminal colour choices aside) in the John Lewis advert to suggest the kid is trans?

[DreadedScotsman]

Is there anything (subliminal colour choices aside) in the John Lewis advert to suggest the kid is trans?

Transphobic brain rot is the only thing that says they're trans and not a kid having fun dressing up, I mean it's possible that the kid is trans obviously but as it stands they're reading what they want to get angry at into it

[Pimhole]

Here's an earlier John Lewis ad where a girl dances through a house while her brother and dad look on, the new ad is obviously a reworking of this.

https://youtu.be/sW-aMjMrib0

[Cuellar]

It seems like they're assuming that if a boy puts a dress on then they're trans, which is precisely what they accuse 'TRAs' of doing.

[Sonny_Jim]

Glinner adjacent, but it made me laugh:

[idunnosomename]

Saw a prominent dump bin for The Christmas Pig right at the entrance of Tesco yesterday. Wonder if Graham has bought a copy or eight yet.

[JamesTC]

Saw a prominent dump bin for The Christmas Pig right at the entrance of Tesco yesterday. Wonder if Graham has bought a copy or eight yet.

As if he has ever bought or read anything written by JK Rowling that wasn't a transphobic article or written on Twitter.

[idunnosomename]

Hopefully there's a page in the Christmas Pig with a line pasted in about how fucking up TERFs was just "bravado".







J.K. Rowling

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Glinner adjacent, but it made me laugh:

god Julie maybe your book isn't front and centre because it's a boring bucket of shit and you write for Unherd

[Thrillhome]

Glinner adjacent, but it made me laugh:

Lovely stuff.

[Gusty OWindflap]

I been caught tweetin' on the bathroom floor
Shut up, fuck off, can I tweet some more?
Ooh, ooh, the damage done

I check the genitals and lost my wife
I watched the transes ruin another life
Gone, gone, the damage done

I sing the song about the no replies
No one on our side on this tactic relies
New socks should stop their fun

I've been on twitter, seen the damage done
Fucked up my life abusin' everyone
But every junkie's like a settin' sun

[GoblinAhFuckScary]

Oh I'm sure trans men would just hate it if their bodies underwent a change that almost exclusively happens to men.

you can get meds to stop male-pattern-baldness on the nhs if ya fancy

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

you can get meds to stop male-pattern-baldness on the nhs if ya fancy

Oh I'm sure. It's just that "what if testosterone makes transgender men go bald, like men" sounds so stupid. What's next, "oh noes, testosterone will make them grow beards and get muscular! LIKE MEN!"

(almost as if hormones are responsible for physical secondary sex characteristics and it's possible to bring those changes about even on someone who's already gone through puberty)

(almost as if biology doesn't start and end with your plumbing and chromosomes)

[Pimhole]

you can get meds to stop male-pattern-baldness on the nhs if ya fancy

*CAB empties like a Wild West saloon, leaving five women spinning in their chairs, blinking*

[bigfatheart]

Cheers for the feedback folk!

I enjoyed it as well, although I take issue with 'He never replies', should be 'They never answer'. 

Stop getting Glinner wrong!

Whoops, sorry! There's just so much going on!

[Ferris]

*CAB empties like a Wild West saloon, leaving five women spinning in their chairs, blinking*

CaB posters are already be-baldened[nb]not me tho lol[/nb] so no use to them now.

[Kankurette]

Slight tangent: the John Lewis ad is really, really annoying the GC brigade. You'd think they'd be OK with a boy in a dress but no, it's 'woke'.

ETA: I see people have been talking about this already, my bad. Also, someone needs to tell people that ads aren't real. The kid didn't really trash a house.

[bgmnts]

Boys playing around in a dress is about as fully natural as it gets surely? As they're learning through play and having fun with different ideas etc.

The fact that is woke is a bit mad. I thought that behaviour was about as common for a kid as it gets.