XIInner: 12 Angry Men Won't Wheest: Onward Cistern Soldiers! A bonkers dozen

[wrec]

The Tezzy Question

[JamesTC]

They never answer.

[DigForVictory]

He only seems to attack people who are gentle and unlikely to fight back, and thus easy to bully.

I imagine Berry would just tell him to fuck off.

Aye I expect him to not address the Matt Berry stuff.

It's always amused me that he's never said anything about Limmy, probably because as you said he knows Limmy would fight back and he's a bit intimidated by that.

Classic bully, easier for him to go after Josie Long or Matt Lucas.

[wrec]

Come to think of it Berry isn't gay (AFAIK) so you're probably right

[Sonny_Jim]

Edit replied to the wrong thing.

[Barry Admin]

Why do terfs such as Linehan like the whole transexual thing so much, when they refer to "my transexual friend"? One of their main arguments is to simply lie and state that trans people think they can change sex, so it seems weird that they're so enamoured with this distinction.

The actual radfems don't like gender as a concept, but transgender is obviously a more fitting and appropriate term. I can't get my head around it.

[Mister Six]

Come to think of it Berry isn't gay (AFAIK) so you're probably right

It's not about being gay - Jon Ronson is straight and Glinner ripped into him enough. It's about having an unthreatening, gentle demeanour. Or being a woman, obviously.

Berry, with his manly timbre, and Limmy, with his scary Glaswegian accent and murder jokes, shit Glinner up in a way that placid Robin Ince, cuddly Matt Lucas, soft-spoken Jon Ronson and woman Jodie Long/Jameela Jamil/whichever she-TERF has had the temerity to lightly question his tone today simply don't.

As pointed out, it's classic playground bully antics. Limmy or Berry probably wouldn't just fucking chin him if he tried it on with them, but he's not going to test that theory.

[Mister Six]

Why do terfs such as Linehan like the whole transexual thing so much, when they refer to "my transexual friend"? One of their main arguments is to simply lie and state that trans people think they can change sex, so it seems weird that they're so enamoured with this distinction.

The actual radfems don't like gender as a concept, but transgender is obviously a more fitting and appropriate term. I can't get my head around it.

Probably some combo of:

1- "Transsexual" is a term that old boomer cunts remember from their youth, so it doesn't have the scary associations with modern youngsters and things they don't understand like transgender does,

2- People who identify as transsexuals are probably deliberately thumbing their nose at "woke kids" by refusing the umbrella term transgender, so there's some bonding opportunity there,

3- Transsexualism (if I understand it correctly) as a worldview fits into male-female binaries and traditional gender performances that don't unnerve boomers like a trans woman with a beard does (if I'm off base here, I apologise),

4- Transphobes are fundamentally disinterested in interrogating their beliefs/immediate assumptions, and inclined towards blithely accepting whatever supports their worldview regardless of how self-contradictory the subsequent assemblage of weird talking points is. They've almost certainly not considered the etymological (or ontological) implications of anything they say or think.

[g0m]

"transexual" is also a favoured term by transmedicalists. transmedicalism is more palatable to terfs than the alternative

[Mister Six]

I was going to suggest that, but was even less certain on that point, and didn't have time to look it up

[wrec]

It's not about being gay - Jon Ronson is straight and Glinner ripped into him enough. It's about having an unthreatening, gentle demeanour. Or being a woman, obviously.

You're correct of course - I was being flippant but statistically your chances of escaping the full treatment are significantly less if you're a hetero male. Would be interesting to do a proper analysis of the enemies list and put the demographics in a pie chart (somebody should!).

Berry, with his manly timbre, and Limmy, with his scary Glaswegian accent and murder jokes, shit Glinner up in a way that placid Robin Ince, cuddly Matt Lucas, soft-spoken Jon Ronson and woman Jodie Long/Jameela Jamil/whichever she-TERF has had the temerity to lightly question his tone today simply don't.

As pointed out, it's classic playground bully antics. Limmy or Berry probably wouldn't just fucking chin him if he tried it on with them, but he's not going to test that theory.

Funnily enough I was thinking the same earlier. Billy Bragg is a borderline one, seems harmless but might have picked up some self-defence skills in the army, and in the event of a public bananacunt situation could probably keep him in a Jed-style headlock.

[Jumblegraws]

Come to think of it Berry isn't gay (AFAIK) so you're probably right

Or Jewish.
ETA: didn't see Mister Six's post before I posted this, but it conveniently expands on what I was getting at (albeit whilst disagreeing with the sentiment).
Another ETA: And like wrec, I'm being flippant here, and probably indulging my confirmation bias, but I do raise my eyebrows at Jonson and Lucas being subjected to his more forthright bananasism.

[dead-ced-dead]

Funnily enough I was thinking the same earlier. Billy Bragg is a borderline one, seems harmless but might have picked up some self-defence skills in the army, and in the event of a public bananacunt situation could probably keep him in a Jed-style headlock.

Eddie Izzard is a borderline case, too. She's trans so she gets mocked by BC plenty; that makes her fair game. And with vague threats of stopping her using the toilet that BC's daughter (who he never sees) is using. But in the event that something would happen, Eddie Izzard - marathon running, channel swimming, peak physical condition - would knock the ever living shit out of BC.

[HamishMacbeth]

Or Jewish.
ETA: didn't see Mister Six's post before I posted this, but it conveniently expands on what I was getting at (albeit whilst disagreeing with the sentiment).
Another ETA: And like wrec, I'm being flippant here, and probably indulging my confirmation bias, but I do raise my eyebrows at Jonson and Lucas being subjected to his more forthright bananasism.

I think there's a mix of things. Tackling Frankie Boyle backfired spectacularly, and I'm sure he doesn't want a repeat of that, but his realy blinding rage is usually reserved for people who decides should know better. With Matt Berry I think it might be two things really. Firstly, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first person who's actually worked on one of his own shows to explicitly distance themselves from him? So I imagine it stings in more of a deeply sad way, than giving him a shot in the arm. Secondly, given how he operates how own hate blog, I imagine he takes Berry's choice not to explicitly name him as an act of professional respect and not that Berry is transparently ashamed of any association with him.

[Jumblegraws]

Yeah I mean the bottom line is he's afraid to confront anyone who's likely to unequivocally tell him to go fuck himself, but ever since he leveraged Ronson's Jewishness against him, I find it hard to imagine he isn't cynically mindful of his foes' minority statuses.

[phes]

Eddie Izzard is a borderline case, too. She's trans so she gets mocked by BC plenty; that makes her fair game. And with vague threats of stopping her using the toilet that BC's daughter (who he never sees) is using. But in the event that something would happen, Eddie Izzard - marathon running, channel swimming, peak physical condition - would knock the ever living shit out of BC.

Probably not necessary to make scenarios attributing acts of violence to others. And being fit and being skilled at causing physical harm to others are very different things

[canadagoose]

Slight diversion from the topic but check out this BS from the BBC. Clearly they've been deluged by bananament and seem to think it's worthy of walls of text. Honestly I'm sick of this shit, they're blaming an entire demographic for a few people's bad behaviour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

[bigfatheart]

Firstly, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first person who's actually worked on one of his own shows to explicitly distance themselves from him?

I seem to remember Ardal O'Hanlon gently distancing himself from him in an interview, albeit while talking more about Glinner's obsessive behaviour than trans rights.

[DrGreggles]

Probably not necessary to make scenarios attributing acts of violence to others. And being fit and being skilled at causing physical harm to others are very different things

It was a scenario BC created.

[retsuza]

lol

Why rely on the worst people in the world, when we have our own Graham Linehan right here.

[DigForVictory]

I seem to remember Ardal O'Hanlon gently distancing himself from him in an interview, albeit while talking more about Glinner's obsessive behaviour than trans rights.

Yeah I think he said something along the lines of being completely baffled as to why Linehan had dedicated his entire life to something that doesn't really affect him.

[Barry Admin]

"transexual" is also a favoured term by transmedicalists. transmedicalism is more palatable to terfs than the alternative

Ohh right, thanks, and thanks to Mister Six. That does seem to sum it up well.

Of course, transmedicalism is another moving goalpost for them as well.

I'm still reading some of the LGB Alliance fallout when I have time, and I've noticed how many of them just don't believe anything about trans people and what they suffer.

Generally they'll start with, " I don't believe in trans kids", which is something Linehan retweeted on one of his sock accounts.  Then they'll slowly admit that they don't believe in any kind of trans person at all, and so this means transphobia doesn't exist(?) A common complaint against that Linehan-clone Jack Appleby has been, "you used the word transphobia, that's a TRA tactic, that's the word they use... What is 'trans' anyway? What does it even mean?"

Once they start asking questions like that, or "what exactly did JK Rowling say that's transphobic?" or "define woman" or whatever, I would just bail and wouldn't waste my time anymore. That terf who came on here last month did the exact same sealioning shit.

[canadagoose]

Slight diversion from the topic but check out this BS from the BBC. Clearly they've been deluged by bananament and seem to think it's worthy of walls of text. Honestly I'm sick of this shit, they're blaming an entire demographic for a few people's bad behaviour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

I've now complained about this BTW, I'd encourage you to do the same. Fucking sick of the privileged media class and their incompetence.

[jobotic]

Ohh right, thanks, and thanks to Mister Six. That does seem to sum it up well.

Of course, transmedicalism is another moving goalpost for them as well.

I'm still reading some of the LGB Alliance fallout when I have time, and I've noticed how many of them just don't believe anything about trans people and what they suffer.

Generally they'll start with, " I don't believe in trans kids", which is something Linehan retweeted on one of his his sock accounts.  Then they'll slowly admit that they don't believe in any kind of trans person at all, and so this means transphobia doesn't exist(?) A common complaint against that Linehan-clone Jack Appleby has been, "you used the word transphobia, that's a TRA tactic, that's the word they use... What is 'trans' anyway? What does it even mean?"

Once they start asking questions like that, or "what exactly did JK Rowling say that's transphobic?" or "define woman" or whatever, I just bail and don't waste my time anymore. That terf who came on here last month did the exact same sealioning shit.

Actually Islam is not a race so...

[Barry Admin]

Slight diversion from the topic but check out this BS from the BBC. Clearly they've been deluged by bananament and seem to think it's worthy of walls of text. Honestly I'm sick of this shit, they're blaming an entire demographic for a few people's bad behaviour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

Jesus fucking Christ! That "genital preference" shit is so obviously niche Tiktok bullshit like SISSY HYPNO PORN.

I'm so sorry to see this. I still think it's an extinction burst, and that the days of transphobia are largely numbered. It's just gonna get worse before it gets better; keep yer head up.

[canadagoose]

Jesus fucking Christ! That "genital preference" shit is so obviously niche Tiktok bullshit like SISSY HYPNO PORN.

I know, eh? They even managed to shoehorn that "cotton ceiling" shite (from one badly-named conference in Toronto 6 years ago) in there.

I'm so sorry to see this. I still think it's an extinction burst, and that the days of transphobia are largely numbered. It's just gonna get worse before it gets better; keep yer head up.

Thank you, I really hope you're right, but it's scary in the meantime. I found one of those stupid "adult human female" stickers round the back of my building last week (ripped it off, obviously) and it's just a pain.

[Retinend]

Berry, with his manly timbre, and Limmy, with his scary Glaswegian accent and murder jokes, shit Glinner up in a way that placid Robin Ince, cuddly Matt Lucas, soft-spoken Jon Ronson and woman Jodie Long/Jameela Jamil/whichever she-TERF has had the temerity to lightly question his tone today simply don't.

As pointed out, it's classic playground bully antics. Limmy or Berry probably wouldn't just fucking chin him if he tried it on with them, but he's not going to test that theory.

I was about to explain this away by saying how Limmy is less high-profile that Ronson or Lucas but.... yeah.... Ince....

This is total head-canon at this point, but I feel as if Linehan has a lot of respect towards Limmy as a fellow comedy person, and for that reason fears being mocked by Limmy, in spite of Limmy being a vocal trans ally. Surely Limmy's cameo in the IT crowd means that Linehan really liked Limmy's Show.

[JaDanketies]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

4,000 words. Simply writing that up would've taken one person a full work day; god knows how many man-hours were spent doing the research into it. We paid for it with our license fee

[Cuellar]

Slight diversion from the topic but check out this BS from the BBC. Clearly they've been deluged by bananament and seem to think it's worthy of walls of text. Honestly I'm sick of this shit, they're blaming an entire demographic for a few people's bad behaviour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

So much bullshit in that.

"We know a minority, but still a sizeable minority of trans women, do pressure lesbians to go out with them and have sex with them and it's a very disturbing phenomenon."

I asked Ms Jackson how she knew a "sizeable minority" of trans women were doing this.

She said: "We don't have figures but we are frequently contacted by lesbians who relate their experience in LGBT groups and on dating sites."

"We know there are lots of trans women pressuring lesbians."
"How many?"
"We don't know"

LGB Alliance has been described as a hate group, anti-trans and transphobic. However, Ms Jackson insists the group is none of these things

Ah ok then

edit: and the way it implies that Stonewall has pivoted to campaigning solely for trans equality:

Stonewall was founded in 1989 by people opposed to what was known as Section 28 - legislation which stopped councils and schools from "promoting" homosexuality. The organisation originally focused on issues affecting lesbian, gay and bisexual people, then in 2015 announced it would campaign for "trans equality".

A new group - LGB Alliance - has been formed partly in response to Stonewall's change of focus, by people who believe the interests of LGB people are being left behind.

[Zetetic]

Slight diversion from the topic but check out this BS from the BBC. Clearly they've been deluged by bananament and seem to think it's worthy of walls of text. Honestly I'm sick of this shit, they're blaming an entire demographic for a few people's bad behaviour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

Contains a very neat example of why the ongoing use of the term "terf" is a wonderful gift to transphobes.