It's still under construction, so please bear with me
Started by Bigfella, October 06, 2021, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on October 06, 2021, 09:44:54 AMYes.Euros.Yes
Quote from: Dex Sawash on October 06, 2021, 11:25:37 AMI am American and didn't know Scotland was on the same island as England until Mel Gibson walked there in Braveheart and I ran to get an atlas to see if that was possible. Best ignore any opinion I have then.
Quote from: Alberon on October 06, 2021, 03:50:25 PMSince Scotland is going to go at some point couldn't the rest of us just load the country up with the UK's debt? Just like they do with companies.If we are going to be stuck with Tory rule forever more at least let us have some benefits.
Quote from: Kankurette on October 06, 2021, 01:00:09 PMI AM ENGLISH but my dad was Scottish so if you guys break away, and I would totally not blame you if you did, I'm applying for dual nationality.Wouldn't Spain oppose Scotland joining the EU because it might give the Catalans Ideas?
Quote from: bgmnts on October 06, 2021, 01:07:25 PMWhat is culturally British?
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on October 06, 2021, 07:13:44 PM8) What needs to happen to make Scotland more self-sufficient and attractive to investors?
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on October 06, 2021, 07:13:44 PMJust from a purely practical standpoint, Scotland should learn from the sewage fire that is Brexit and figure out the following:1) What goods and services does Scotland get from or via the rest of the UK?2) What amount of funds does Scotland receive from the rest of the UK?3) If 1) and 2) go away, how will that affect the economy/people's lives and how can Scotland make up the shortfall?4) Would the EU permit an independent Scotland to join the EU?5) How long would that process take?6) What happens if Scotland's application to the EU is rejected?6b) What if the Scottish general public don't want to join the EU?7) What do the various Acts of Union and any subsequent related legislation say with regard to Scotland leaving the Union?8) What needs to happen to make Scotland more self-sufficient and attractive to investors?This'll be strange coming from your neighbour Ireland, so desperate to leave that we fought a war and left 6/32ths of the country behind, but the last thing anybody needs is for the government to go "OKAY YES WE VOTED TO LEAVE LET'S LEAVE oh shit we've done no research or no preparation everything is fucked"
Quote from: Garam on October 06, 2021, 07:01:34 PMIt isn't going to happen. Not in the near future at least
Quote from: Sherman Krank on October 06, 2021, 09:20:52 PMThat's reminded me of the prediction made by 17th century seer Agnes McBampott, which goes...Scotland shall ne'er be freeTil the auld clunge o' deathNo longer draws breathAnd the haddies return to the seaThe final line has caused much conjecture with some suggesting it refers to haddock and an increase in quotas for Scottish fishing boats in the North Sea while others believe that by 'haddies' she meant Scottish Tories and by 'return to the sea' she meant drowned in a barrel of piss.
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on October 06, 2021, 11:35:24 AMThis whole framing is strange to me though because I still don't understand what makes support for Scottish independence any more inherently "nationalistic" than Unionism. The belief that the United Kingdom should be indefinitely preserved could be framed as "nationalism" just as easily as the belief that it shouldn't be, and you only need to take a cursory glance at some of the louder elements of Scotland's anti-independence coalition to see that violently nationalistic rhetoric is, let's say, not entirely unheard of on that side of the fence (try walking into your local Rangers pub and see where talking shit about the British empire or the queen gets you). Since 2014, I've seen a fair few people in my hometown put up Saltires outside their houses, and I've also seen a fair few people put up Union Jacks (the latter often clearly done in retaliation to the former or vice-versa). Now and then (but less frequently than is often caricatured) I've heard pro-Indy people directly conflate the independence movement with Scotland's historical conflicts against England, and conversely I've heard anti-Indy people going on about loyalty to the monarchy and identification with the perceived glory of Britain's military/imperial past. People on both sides are capable of interpreting and expressing their position in varied and sometimes conflicting terms, "nationalistic" in character or otherwise. I don't accept that the anti-independence position should be seen as an inherently neutral one simply because it involves preserving the status quo.
Quote from: Pinball on October 07, 2021, 10:20:55 AMIf only we'd had a 'once in a generation' referendum a couple of years ago to decide the matter.
Quote from: ajsmith2 on October 07, 2021, 10:22:38 AMBut then 2 years later along came the Brexit, as we all know.
Quote from: Pinball on October 07, 2021, 10:24:39 AMIf only we'd had a national Brexit referendum to decide the matter.
Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on October 07, 2021, 09:54:54 AMI merely expressed my surprise at finding that a nationalist movement could be progressive. For a useful answer, you would have to define what a nation is first. Is there such a thing as a British nation? There are some signs of it, though not many.
Quote from: Zetetic on October 07, 2021, 01:07:31 PMI'm pretty sure that Royal Mail operations in Scotland aren't run from an office in Whitehall, so I don't think that's a huge barrier.
Quote from: ajsmith2 on October 07, 2021, 10:26:42 AMWhich, as we all know, the Scottish population voted overwhelmingly not in favour of. And around we go.
Quote from: Pinball on October 07, 2021, 01:29:34 PMMany regions and cities voted against Brexit. London, for example. But that's the thing with national votes. They are national. Where would the disintegration of the UK end? So many tribes to assuage.
Quote from: Jerzy Bondov on October 06, 2021, 01:45:03 PMI AM ENGLISH (I don't really think of myself as English but I grudging accept that I basically am) and of fucking course the UK needs breaking up. Are you joking? It's a fucking nightmare and has been since it was put together. Think of all the evil done in the name of Britain, not just around the world but right here. We need to own up, accept we're the baddies, and listen when people say they want to get away from us. Of course this will never ever happen.I'll be very jealous when Scotland and NI get away from this shit show
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