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Stewart Lee appearing on James O'Brien's podcast [split topic]

Started by Proactive, January 13, 2022, 12:06:38 PM

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Gurke and Hare

Quote from: somersetchris on January 14, 2022, 12:14:05 AMAnd part of it is the fault of people who keep throwing stones at their own fucking side.

Yeah, like fucking James O'Brien.

Barry Admin

Quote from: Old Nehamkin on January 13, 2022, 11:41:15 PMStewart Lee is a great stand-up and that's unlikely to change any time soon, but everything he's signalled about his politics over the last few years seems utterly turgid and myopic to me.

Such as?

gib

I listen to a bit of O'Brien most mornings on LBC. I like talk radio that isn't about sport, and Radio 4 just got just that bit too posh for me to relate to. That and every other interviewee insisting on beginning all their answers with the word 'so'.

And the people that call in to LBC aren't all cunts. And O'Brien is a more than competent presenter. The other day he took the woke side on the slaver statue thing and i've heard him do the same on BLM.

But the man is a weasily cunt, and i say that because i listened to the cunt every day in the build up to the last general election. I did switch back to Radio 4 a few times during this period but it just became a game of counting how many seconds before they needed to earnestly focus on anti semitism again.

Turning to Stewart Lee. I loved Comedy Vehicle, absolute TV treat of the week. When youtube came out i loved looking up Lee clips. Gentlemen Bombers. That amazing Braveheart routine. All things bright and beautiful.

He did that bit back in that day, and here's the quote

" In the 1980s the Labour Party believed that the poor, who did not deserve to be poor; should be helped by the rich, who did not deserve to be rich. Meanwhile, the Conservatives thought that the poor, who deserved to be poor; should not be helped by the rich, who deserved to be rich. And that is the 1980s explained. It's very different today, isn't it? Today, both the main parties believe that the poor should be tied up in a bin-bag and thrown into a canal. The Conservatives, to be fair to them; at least had the guts to look as if they mean that. Whereas the Labour Party, when they announced their support for welfare cuts, they did so with all the confidence of a dog trying to run away from the smell of his own farts. The leaders are no different are they? David Cameron and Ed Miliband. They're about as different as two rats fighting over a courgette that has fallen into a urinal. The main difference being that the David Cameron rat is wearing chinos. In an attempt to win over the youth voter. "

which was brilliant

but when there was an actual difference between the candidates and the country's decision was 'do you want Corbyn or Johnson as PM' he forgot to callback to this. I heard him on i think it was Sayle's pod and gave him the benefit of the doubt, my reading was that he knew it would be major hassle and it seemed fair enough.

dunno, just him cosying up to o'brien basically spells FPBE cunts for me

fuckit post, that was in response to Badmmin btw



jobotic

Yeah but to be fair if Stewart Lee was on Jacob Rees Mogg's podcast I'd probably not listen to that either.

Or maybe I would.

Old Nehamkin

#34
Hello I am an entitled student leftist and I think that centrist politicians blocking any meaningful alternative to conservative policy is actually quite bad.

Thursday

Quote from: somersetchris on January 14, 2022, 12:14:05 AMIt is absolutely baffling, and one of the most annoying things about this forum, that with much of the world veering to the right and genuine fascists getting close to power, so many of you seem to save most of your hatred for liberals who are not left wing enoughh for you, like you would rather see Jacob Rees Mogg in charge than Keir Starmer. You're like a load of deluded, self-important students who cannot accept that socialists will never be in charge no matter how many tantrums you throw. And part of it is the fault of people who keep throwing stones at their own fucking side.

You seem to be throwing a lot of stones here.

chveik

Quote from: somersetchris on January 14, 2022, 12:14:05 AMIt is absolutely baffling, and one of the most annoying things about this forum, that with much of the world veering to the right and genuine fascists getting close to power, so many of you seem to save most of your hatred for liberals who are not left wing enoughh for you, like you would rather see Jacob Rees Mogg in charge than Keir Starmer. You're like a load of deluded, self-important students who cannot accept that socialists will never be in charge no matter how many tantrums you throw. And part of it is the fault of people who keep throwing stones at their own fucking side.

couldn't agree more. so much for the tolerant left

Old Nehamkin

Just remember that if you're a socialist you are a naive baby with unsustainable fringe beliefs and an inflated sense of self-importance but you also hold the power to make or break the fortunes of the Labour party so it kind of balances out really.

Barry Admin

Quote from: gib on January 14, 2022, 12:23:41 AMfuckit post, that was in response to Badmmin btw

Much obliged, thanks. Haven't even had time for (or got round to) his standup since Covid began really, so no idea what his politics are now, but I'll check this interview out with interest.

bgmnts

Why is it always people on the left that get centrist in such a tizzy? It's almost as if...

GoblinAhFuckScary

cor that crobbins was mental wasn't he. thank fuck for common sense back to basics ladsssss

Pink Gregory

I'll always go after an interview with Stew because he's actually interested in interesting things and not just going to talk shop about comedy (there's more than enough of that out there)

However I get the impression that his political viewpoints are fairly standard centrist/centre left liberal, which I think shows a certain...disinterest?  Like it's not something he cares deeply enough about to have anything to say about.  That's what I got most out of his interview with Alexei Sayle anyway.

And put up against a weasel like O'Brien I doubt that conversation will have much value - although I remember enjoying his interview with Charlie Brooker, but this was years ago.

Old Thrashbarg

It's a shame that, on here, so much entertainment has to be framed by the politics of the people involved these days. Obviously not a problem exclusive to here, or even at its worst on here - social media and the culture wars taking place on there are largely to blame. But it would be nice to read more discussion about the merits of a piece of art (even an interview by fucking JOB) without having to speculate about the political allegiances of everyone involved and whether they align correctly with Corbyn's. And I say that as a Corbyn-voting socialist. Just one who, sometimes, likes to put politics to a side.

monkfromhavana

Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on January 14, 2022, 09:38:54 AMIt's a shame that, on here, so much entertainment has to be framed by the politics of the people involved these days. Obviously not a problem exclusive to here, or even at its worst on here - social media and the culture wars taking place on there are largely to blame. But it would be nice to read more discussion about the merits of a piece of art (even an interview by fucking JOB) without having to speculate about the political allegiances of everyone involved and whether they align correctly with Corbyn's. And I say that as a Corbyn-voting socialist. Just one who, sometimes, likes to put politics to a side.

I'm starting to have my doubts about you....

Kelvin

Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on January 14, 2022, 09:38:54 AMIt's a shame that, on here, so much entertainment has to be framed by the politics of the people involved these days. Obviously not a problem exclusive to here, or even at its worst on here - social media and the culture wars taking place on there are largely to blame. But it would be nice to read more discussion about the merits of a piece of art (even an interview by fucking JOB) without having to speculate about the political allegiances of everyone involved and whether they align correctly with Corbyn's. And I say that as a Corbyn-voting socialist. Just one who, sometimes, likes to put politics to a side.

This may be true in some situations, but in fairness, James O'Brien is a massive prick, and Stewart Lee is a relatively political comedian, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to discuss these types of things in a thread about the two of them doing an interview. And it doesn't seem unreasonable to question Lee's politics (which I'm sure are more left wing than O'Brien's) when he's enthusiastically endorsed this cunt on his blog. It's relevant to how we view the political themes in his stand up.   

Goldentony

The Artist James O'Brien, Stew, call him by his full name

Old Nehamkin

Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on January 14, 2022, 09:38:54 AMIt's a shame that, on here, so much entertainment has to be framed by the politics of the people involved these days. Obviously not a problem exclusive to here, or even at its worst on here - social media and the culture wars taking place on there are largely to blame. But it would be nice to read more discussion about the merits of a piece of art (even an interview by fucking JOB) without having to speculate about the political allegiances of everyone involved and whether they align correctly with Corbyn's. And I say that as a Corbyn-voting socialist. Just one who, sometimes, likes to put politics to a side.

Would maybe agree if this were a thread about Stewart Lee's stand-up act or another creative endeavour and it was full of posters refusing to engage with it on the basis of his politics, but I'm not convinced at all that a podcast interview with James O'Brien can be classed as "a piece of art" or that it's possible to separate politics from a discussion of said interview given who James O'Brien is and the apparent political overlap between him and Lee.

For the record I'm a loony lefty but I still think Stewart Lee is great at stand-up and I would probably go and see him if he performed in my city again (although I'd much rather see him in a proper theatre venue rather than the SECC where he played last time I saw him.)

KennyMonster

Here's the brilliant James O Brien reacting recently to 250 Tory MPs voting to let corrupt politician Owen Paterson off the hook.

Such rich pickings in 2021 the 2021 political landscape.

I wonder who he decides to pick on first for this corrupt behavoir............

https://m.facebook.com/LBC/videos/962566561004880/



Tony Yeboah


Pink Gregory

Yeah, if it was in interview with anyone else, like e.g. Robin Ince or the Quietus, it'd be a different matter.

But O'Brien is a talk show host who largely talks about politics, hence the direction of this thread.  Same if we'd made a seperate thread for his Alexei Sayle interview.

Ultimately despite his general centre left demeanour, I don't think Stew really has much to say about it outside of his standup material.  It'd be like a politically charged interview with Adam Buxton.


Proactive

My position on this is that never in my life have I not enjoyed a Stewart Lee interview, so I would regard it as cutting off my nose to spite my face even if it was Nick fucking Ferrari interviewing him. I guess it that instance though I wouldn't be able to pretend not to listen to it here.

g0m

Quote from: somersetchris on January 14, 2022, 12:14:05 AMIt is absolutely baffling, and one of the most annoying things about this forum, that with much of the world veering to the right and genuine fascists getting close to power, so many of you seem to save most of your hatred for liberals who are not left wing enoughh for you, like you would rather see Jacob Rees Mogg in charge than Keir Starmer. You're like a load of deluded, self-important students who cannot accept that socialists will never be in charge no matter how many tantrums you throw. And part of it is the fault of people who keep throwing stones at their own fucking side.

somerset piss

thr0b

Quote from: somersetchris on January 14, 2022, 12:14:05 AMIt is absolutely baffling, and one of the most annoying things about this forum, that with much of the world veering to the right and genuine fascists getting close to power, so many of you seem to save most of your hatred for liberals who are not left wing enoughh for you, like you would rather see Jacob Rees Mogg in charge than Keir Starmer. You're like a load of deluded, self-important students who cannot accept that socialists will never be in charge no matter how many tantrums you throw. And part of it is the fault of people who keep throwing stones at their own fucking side.

100% agreed. It's tiring watching the left try to demolish people slightly less to the left. It's not how you gain power.

idunnosomename

Quote from: Midas on January 13, 2022, 09:58:11 PMthis feels like going into town and spotting your mate fishing bags out of the dog shit bin
envy?

JamesTC

Quote from: thr0b on January 14, 2022, 12:20:18 PM100% agreed. It's tiring watching the left try to demolish people slightly less to the left. It's not how you gain power.

Centrists are famously tolerant of the left.

king_tubby


Old Nehamkin

Quote from: JamesTC on January 14, 2022, 12:28:21 PMCentrists are famously tolerant of the left.

And left-wingers have famously never attempted to compromise or ally with liberals either. Who could forget Corbyn's ruthless purges of anyone even slightly to the right of him.

SpiderChrist

Quote from: thr0b on January 14, 2022, 12:20:18 PM100% agreed. It's tiring watching the left try to demolish people slightly less to the left. It's not how you gain power.

It's also tiring to watch people slightly less to the left try to demolish the left


Famous Mortimer

Quote from: somersetchris on January 14, 2022, 12:14:05 AMone of the most annoying things about this forum
It's the centre square on "people you might as well mute" bingo!