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Carol Cleveland- Easily Deserving Of One Of These Threads?

Started by Lisa Jesusandmarychain, January 01, 2021, 05:18:43 PM

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Lisa Jesusandmarychain

January 01, 2021, 05:18:43 PM Last Edit: January 01, 2021, 05:29:36 PM by Lisa Jesusandmarychain
Although she was a non- writing member of the Python cast, lest we forget, she most resolutely didn't get her norks out for that " Scott Of The Sahara" sketch, despite the wishes of the lads what wrote that sketch, and unlike that hussy Pamela Stephenson, who quite happily got 'em out for that " Jacques Cousteau Bath Salts" sketch,  on " Not The Nine O' Clock News" and even on the first episode was happy to lie on her stomach as naked as anything, showing her botty off, and about to be eaten by Chris Langham , in that " Vegetarians Saving Animals When It's Far Too Late" sketch.

Well done, Ms. Cleveland, say I.

Pink Gregory


Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Yes, that's another thing, swore off cocaine at quite an early stage !!!!!!😀😁😂🤣😃😄😅😆😸😹☻

thenoise

What's wrong with getting one's norks out? Up to the nork owner, of course, but I wouldnt have thought less of her.

McChesney Duntz

January 01, 2021, 06:56:23 PM #4 Last Edit: January 01, 2021, 08:24:46 PM by McChesney Duntz
I'll give the Pythons credit for gradually ceasing to use her primarily as a sex object by the third series (a series in which they even deliberately refused to use Julia Breck as such), and gradually giving her funnier and funnier material as they went on, finally giving her a fine menstruation gag in The Meaning of Life as a sort of gold watch for retirement). Truth be told, of course, I don't exactly mind her use as a sex object overall (and I certainly minded it even less when I was watching MPFC in my early teens), which may have reached its apotheosis[nb](had me reaching for my apotheosis, let me tell you...)[/nb] with her appearance in that Bird's Eye promotional film they did, which is about a step and a half away from soft porn...

Jake Thingray

It would be rather pleasant if a copy of her film All I Want Is You...And You...And You eventually turns up.

Menu

She gives one of the best performances in Holy Grail, which is saying something. She's pitch-perfect.

Menu

Quote from: McChesney Duntz on January 01, 2021, 06:56:23 PM
I'll give the Pythons credit for gradually ceasing to use her primarily as a sex object by the third series (a series in which they even deliberately refused to use Julia Breck as such), and gradually giving her funnier and funnier material as they went on, finally giving her a fine menstruation gag in The Meaning of Life as a sort of gold watch for retirement). Truth be told, of course, I don't exactly mind her use as a sex object overall (and I certainly minded it even less when I was watching MPFC in my early teens), which may have reached its apotheosis[nb](had me reaching for my apotheosis, let me tell you...)[/nb] with her appearance in that Bird's Eye promotional film they did, which is about a step and a half away from soft porn...

My friend, I never knew that existed. Thank you! My first new Monty Python for about twenty years.

(Agree with you about the use of CC as well. Poor show, lads.)


(she touches Michael's groin)

McChesney Duntz

Quote from: Jake Thingray on January 01, 2021, 10:28:48 PM
It would be rather pleasant if a copy of her film All I Want Is You...And You...And You eventually turns up.

Myself, I want to get my orbs around The Pleasure Girls from '65 - our miss Carol's got a supporting role, but what really boggles the mind is the thought of Ian McShane and Klaus Fucking Kinski as the male romantic leads...

Absorb the anus burn

Carol is a fine actress. She gives a great turn in the 1970s BBC drama, The Lotus Eaters, playing a rich, brash American with a nasty streak and a lover who is likely her own brother.

Glebe

Quote from: Menu on January 02, 2021, 04:28:35 AM
She gives one of the best performances in Holy Grail, which is saying something. She's pitch-perfect.

"Oh shit!"

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: McChesney Duntz on January 02, 2021, 07:25:08 PM
Myself, I want to get my orbs around The Pleasure Girls from '65 - our miss Carol's got a supporting role, but what really boggles the mind is the thought of Ian McShane and Klaus Fucking Kinski as the male romantic leads...

I do believe Ms. Cleveland was romantically involved with Mr. McShane at the time ( she was deffo shagging him at some point, anyways).

Madcat

Quote from: Jake Thingray on January 01, 2021, 10:28:48 PM
It would be rather pleasant if a copy of her film All I Want Is You...And You...And You eventually turns up.

And so it has. According to the British Film Institute's Annual Report and Financial Statement for 2019-20, a 35mm print of All I Want Is You and You and You has been found and added to the BFI Archive.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/962544/BFI_Annual_Report_and_Financial_Statements_2019-20.pdf (p. 23)

I've emailed my contact at the BFI, and requested more information on how the film was found. More info if and when I receive it.

Madcat

Quote from: McChesney Duntz on January 02, 2021, 07:25:08 PM
Myself, I want to get my orbs around The Pleasure Girls from '65 - our miss Carol's got a supporting role, but what really boggles the mind is the thought of Ian McShane and Klaus Fucking Kinski as the male romantic leads...

The BFI has released The Pleasure Girls as part of its "Flipside" series.

https://shop.bfi.org.uk/the-pleasure-girls-flipside-010-dual-format-edition.html

Madcat

The chances of viewing All I Want... don't look good at this point. From my contact at the BFI:

"As you are aware, a print of this film has in recent years been acquired into the BFI National Archive.  I don't have very much information on this that I can pass on I'm afraid.  We are unable to provide details of the individuals or organisations who have donated materials to the Archive.

At present we hold only this unique copy of the film, which is therefore designated a master/preservation copy in the collection.  We don't have anything viewable on this title and could not offer a research viewing of the master copy."

So at least for the time being, Carol's "lost" film will remain locked in the vaults. I've asked the BFI to let me know if anything changes (e.g. a second copy is made for viewing purposes), but I'm not holding my breath.

DJ Bob Hoskins

Quote from: BFI
"As you are aware, a print of this film has in recent years been acquired into the BFI National Archive.  We are unable to provide details of the individuals or organisations who have donated materials to the Archive.

I wonder who the mysterious film enthusiast who donated it could be?


Madcat

Quote from: DJ Bob Hoskins on May 12, 2021, 04:00:44 PM
I wonder who the mysterious film enthusiast who donated it could be?



According to a discussion on the "BFI DVD" Facebook page, the print of All I Want... was discovered in the Academy Film Archive. The Oscars' archivists knew the BFI was looking for it, and sent it over. I've emailed the Academy archive to ask for more details on the print's provenance and how it was found. More info if and when I get it.

Carol's facial expression in the above still seems to mirror her opinion of the film. I once asked her about it: she was loath to talk much about All I Want... but said it was "intended to be a sexy comedy, that wound up being neither sexy nor funny." She also said the film was so bad, that even during filming, the actors would talk among themselves, about how bad it was!

Madcat

I've just received a preliminary quote from Cinelab London, for scanning, restoration, and DVD mastering of All I Want...

This is necessarily a ballpark figure, since neither they nor I have custody of the print, so don't know what condition it's in. With that caveat, Cinelab quotes a price of £2,081 for a 2K scan, £2,616 for a 4K scan.

Given that surprisingly affordable price, I've emailed my contacts at the BFI and asked them to tell the rights holders that I'm willing to meet the cost of a 4K scan, in exchange for a few free DVD/BluRay copies and an onscreen credit.

I might even say that all I want is All I Want...

(Benny Hill as Fred Scuttle: "You might say that, sir. I wouldn't say that, but you might.")

Madcat

A snag has come up. Apparently neither the BFI, nor anyone else, knows who currently owns the rights to All I Want.... The production company is long since defunct; both producer Wilbur Stark and director Bob Kellett are deceased, and W. Stark's daughter Koo (yes, that Koo Stark, who appeared in the film) responded to my earlier inquiry (c. 2000) with a resounding silence.

One possibility is to get All I Want... officially declared an "orphan film," through the UK Copyright Office's Orphan Works Licensing Service. Or OWLS, for short. :-)

Also, I have one possible lead as to the rights of All I Want.... I'm working on that, and I've just now emailed the BFI to suggest the orphan-film solution.

Needless to say: if anyone on this forum has any possible leads to help me track down the copyright owners, please PM me soonest!

Blumf

Quote from: Madcat on May 25, 2021, 01:12:24 AM
One possibility is to get All I Want... officially declared an "orphan film," through the UK Copyright Office's Orphan Works Licensing Service. Or OWLS, for short. :-)

What's involved in that? Basically saying "we've had a dig around but nobody's claiming it, can you mark it orphaned please"?

Madcat

A "diligent search" (their words) must be done and documented, to the satisfaction of the Intellectual Property Office:

"What is the diligent search?
If you want to reproduce a copyright work, you need to try to find out who the right holders for that work are, and then need to contact them for permission to use the work. If you cannot find them, or even cannot find out the name of the right holder, then you can use this scheme. The process of searching for the right holders is known as a diligent search.

Our diligent search will need to cover all the right holders relevant to the types of use/s you want to make and provide us with the details of that search. For example, if you wish to make printed copies of a literary work, you may need the permission of both the author and the publisher, but if you wish to put the work on your website you may only require permission from the author because they have retained the digital publication rights.

To help you we have provided diligent search guidance. You will need to submit a completed report of your diligent search for each right holder in .pdf format as evidence that this has been completed. This must include the sources checked as well as further information on the process followed by the applicant in determining the work is orphaned. Templates and sample checklists are available.

A diligent search for a licence under this scheme is valid in the UK for up to seven years and needs to be updated after this time if you wish to renew your licence.

We may refuse to grant a licence if we believe that your diligent search is inadequate."

And naturally, along with the submission of the search forms, an application fee must be paid, followed by a license fee if the application is successful.




Ambient Sheep

I can't help at all, but I'm very surprised that that's all it costs to turn a film into a DVD!

Madcat

I was surprised by that also!

But there's a bit more to it than that. The BFI informs me their print is color-faded, so additional restoration will be needed on top of what the lab has already quoted me.

First things first, though - either to locate the rights holders, or to have All I Want... officially declared an orphan work.

[sad music]
"Oh please, kind sir, I found this poor little film, all alone with no one to care for it..."

Gurke and Hare

How can this much mystery/rarity surround something from as recently as 1974? That's younger than me.

Madcat

When I wrote to the late Bob Kellett, his reply mentioned there was some legal problem shortly after the film's release, which caused it to be pulled. (IIRC - this was 20 years and two house moves ago. I'll try and find the letter.)

If it couldn't be figured out who owned the film, then no one would've had any economic reason to keep it. In 2001, during a trip to London, I discussed the situation with the BFI's then-head of research. He conjectured the master would "have been thrown in a skip somewhere."

It's known that Wilbur Stark lived his last few years in Los Angeles. I conjecture that he brought the recently-discovered print of All I Want... back with him, and that either he or his family donated it to the Academy Film Archive; the archivists there saw the title was on the BFI's most wanted list, and shipped it back across the Big Pond.

petril

Quote from: Madcat on May 25, 2021, 02:16:54 AM
And naturally, along with the submission of the search forms, an application fee must be paid, followed by a license fee if the application is successful.

only 7 guineas tho

PeterCornelius

Slightly wide of the topic but I always wondered if any of Python boys tried it on with her - specifically Eric Idle who was a serial shagger in the 60s (or so he claims)?

McChesney Duntz

Don't know - can't remember where I heard/read it but I recall Carol saying somewhere that Eric was the one she got along with the least. (Possible total misrememberage there.) If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say Terry J. could have taken the prize, if any of them did - seems our man had an open marriage and swung quite frequently.

PeterCornelius

Thanks McChesney. Yes I'd heard that about Terry J. He left his wife a few years before died for a Swedish lady, 35 years younger than him.

No one seems to have a good word to say about Idle. His 'sortabiography' is insufferable.

EOLAN

Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 31, 2021, 10:31:29 AM
Thanks McChesney. Yes I'd heard that about Terry J. He left his wife a few years before died for a Swedish lady, 35 years younger than him.

No one seems to have a good word to say about Idle. His 'sortabiography' is insufferable.

The short enough stuff about the early childhood pre-TV fame is by far the most interesting and does give some background to the superficial Hollywood lifestyle he totally revelled in. Admittedly even allowing for that it does get very tedious unless you like celebrity name-dropping after that and not much insight into comedy creation or frictions within Python team.

As for Carol, don't think there is any major rumours of an affair. All Pythons invited to her wedding in her early days and I feel like they would have done most of their shagging affairs away from their main work colleagues.