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Started by tribalfusion, January 06, 2022, 11:19:47 PM
Quote from: shoulders on January 06, 2022, 11:23:45 PMDisagree, America has its big bland focus grouped mainstream comedy machine sure, but as a country it is bigger, more diverse, has a greater freedom for acts to do their own thing and better opportunities for fringe acts to develop a core audience, whether that's online or standup touring. A lot of their legacy acts are just miles ahead of the UKs, so much that it seems embarrassing to really compare.The UK has a cliquey, bland back slapping closed shop of an industry and a shallower pool of talent, most of whom are trying desperately to prune their act to fit to whims of the one agency who can make their careers here.
Quote from: Mister Six on January 07, 2022, 05:14:42 AMI live in NYC and pre-Covid misery I used to knock around comedy haunts here, but I rarely (never, really) saw any unusual or notable stand-up acts other than established people like Bamford. The Comedy Cellar/Dangerfield's places were usually stocked with longtime circuit comedians who had their 15-minute gag-gag-gag sets prepped, and while you'd occasionally get a surprise guest spot from someone like Chris Rock or (pre-wankbeast revelations) Louis CK trying out some interesting material, or an old hand ad-libbing their way through a set for a laugh, the expectation was that it was just going to be a string of unconnected jokes. No characters, or attempts to create a little flow or narrative or anything (and to be fair, it's not what the punters are looking for, mostly). Even when you went to one of the bigger venues to see someone do a proper solo show, it was generally just a bunch of jokes with no obvious theme or particular structure. That seems, on the whole, to be the American model. If you want to see something a bit more outre, you'd have to go to an improv or sketch night. And obviously the free-entry places were the same, but massively worse.Could be I was just unlucky, and to be fair I didn't do a lot of digging about, but in the UK I'd still manage to blunder into a show with a multimedia element, say, or some kind of over-arching narrative, or a 15-minute bit done as a character, or just something more than someone in a T-shirt or moderately nice blouse doing gags about jerks in traffic.For better or worse (worse; it's worse), "someone at a mic doing jokes" is the expectation of US audiences, not helped by loads of shite Netflix specials that are exactly that.
Quote from: tribalfusion on January 07, 2022, 06:26:30 AMI also happened to see a clip of Dave Attell and Joe Rogan talking about how (in their words) supposedly British comedy had surpassed the US scene and they referenced Stewart Lee (it was clear they didn't know almost anything about him). They were incredibly dismissive and there was no real curiosity about scenes elsewhere and yes, I know they aren't perhaps the ideal people to engage on these issues but there was an insularity which was instructive. In fact Marc Maron wasn't all that well-informed or interested when he did his interview with Stew either for that matter.
Quote from: whatabulb on January 07, 2022, 09:18:10 AM(richard pryor was performing during the wheeltappers and shunters club era over here!)
Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 07, 2022, 10:03:52 AMRead this on first glance as Richard Pryor performed AT The Wheeltapper and Shunters club! Damn, what could have been..
Quote from: up_the_hampipe on January 07, 2022, 01:17:43 PMI'd say that UK stand-ups are often some of the best writers, while the US has the best performers.
Quote from: Thursday on January 07, 2022, 09:54:37 AMI think I heard Lee say something about this before which was that so many American stand-ups seem to largely see it as a potential path to an Acting career.
Quote from: Scrapey Fish on January 07, 2022, 09:04:11 AMWhat that doesn't explain is why Lee thinks US comedy has been lagging more recently in particular.
Quote from: notjosh on January 07, 2022, 01:35:09 PMI can't find a link to it but I assume you mean the routine where he claims that every American stand-up is just trying to pitch their own 'my crazy family' sitcom:
Quote from: Thursday on January 07, 2022, 02:26:05 PMNah this would have been an interview or something. Can't really remember any context about who was he talking to to narrow it down though.
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 07, 2022, 11:19:13 AMIn the US if you're funny it seems an established career path to go straight from YouTube to TV or other media, particularly if you do character/sketch comedy or songs, which work better on YouTube than conventional standup. Bo Burnham, Issa Rae, the Broad City girls (who started off in improv), etc. So if you're creative you don't need to do standup to make a living, or can do it on your own terms once you've made a reputation on the interwebs.
Quote from: whatabulb on January 07, 2022, 09:21:28 AMon this specific point: ari schaffir telling rogan about the Edinburgh festival after appearing there last year. it blew his mind."it goes on for a MONTH??" haha. i couldn't believe that rogan hadn't at least HEARD of it, but i guess we can also be a little arrogant in the UK about how much goes on elsewhere
Quote from: Thursday on January 07, 2022, 09:54:37 AMI think I heard Lee say something about this before which was that so many American stand-ups seem to largely see it as a potential path to an Acting career. And while it's certainly not like that's never not also for a lot of British stand-ups, I can definitely see that it seems to be true with so much American stand-ups and their attitudes. It's just a stepping stone for them, and thus they aren't really interested in exploring the medium, they're just doing it with building a résumé in mind. Which is why the form and content is often so generic.
Quote from: up_the_hampipe on January 07, 2022, 01:17:43 PMDaniel Sloss said something about the US having the best 10% and worst 75% of the world's stand-ups. That made sense to me. I'd say that UK stand-ups are often some of the best writers, while the US has the best performers.
Quote from: tribalfusion on January 07, 2022, 07:01:51 PMWhat I think I would say is that in terms of basic skills regarding how to work a room, develop a generic set and use standard pauses and conventions to generate laughs from virtually anything, US stand-ups tend to have more expertise.
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