Glinner: Arty Morty and the Glinfinite Transness: The Hateful 8th

[mr. logic]

Isn't he implying that every man could write a better book than even the greatest female authors?

Was going to make this point. It's not like the ability to write a book is akin to the biological strength advantage a man might have in sport.

[Jumblegraws]

Was going to make this point. It's not like the ability to write a book is akin to the biological strength advantage a man might have in sport.

Like he says, the prize was established to counter institutional bias against women when it comes to dishing out literary awards. His gripe relies on the assumption that trans women aren't women, which after eight Glinner threads I think it's safe to say most of us think is transphobic horseshit.

At this point I could do with an update from Glinner himself where he explains why he feels he's supportive of trans people, or even just not transphobic, something he has claimed from time to time. I mean, at this point he's affronted by MI6 flying the trans pride flag.

[idunnosomename]

Biological males need to be kept out of women's hard-fought literary prizes. Their superior prose means they will dominate the ladies and their objectively weaker writing

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

he either thinks that what the terfs say is true and you can just get a little I'M A WOMAN NOW gender card for the cost of postage or that any man would actually go through the hassle of legally transitioning just for the chance to win a literary prize  for a book he hasn't even written yet

[Dr Rock]

I've always coveted one of them Best Actress Academy Awards... Glinner's given me a great idea. Do I get my 'I'm a woman now' badge from the post office or can I just make one with a biro and an old dairylea lid?

[Sonny_Jim]

Graham, want to turn a financially secure career and homelife into a fetid steaming pile of shit? Just follow these simple steps!

1. Spend a fiver to change your 'gender' in the UK. Remember, to receive your medical diagnosis, you must prove you have been 'living as a woman' (whatever that means) for two years. all day on the internet arguing and bullying with people

2. Write a book. episode of the I.T Crowd that has a shit transphobic joke in it.

3. Enter a competition specifically set up to counterbalance the disparity in women winning major literary prizes. Don't worry, by simply renaming women 'cis women', and men 'trans women', the enablers will have your back! massively lengthy 'debate' where you continually double down and make nonsensical comparisons to pedophilia and sexual kinks.

4. ???[nb]He actually missed 4 in the article, because you know, he's such a good journalist, but fortunately it makes the underpants gnomes joke work even better[/nb]

5.  Eat carbonara in your racecar bed.

[JaDanketies]

I forgot that he has a Facebook where you can potentially report some shit and annoy him. Scrolling down it, I notice he's now sharing Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan videos. I'm sure we all called it years ago.

Really he might dismiss Facebook but he seems to be using it often now. It's kind of the perfect social media group for the perpetually-offended-by-societal-change-and-thinks-that-image-macros-are-evidence terf contingent really.

[Sonny_Jim]

He's much more careful about what he shares on Facebook, he doesn't care about it that much (wonder why) so he doesn't put in as much effort to being a berk on there.

[phantom_power]

It shows how little real life experience he has with these issues as if he ever met any transgender people or children going through the process of coming out as trans then he would see what an often stressful, heart-breaking and difficult thing it can be, mainly due to cunts like him. Even if parents are accepting and understanding of their child's identity, there are so many obstacles and issues inherent in transitioning, even within your social circle before medical involvement

It also shows how much of a "liberal elite bubble" he lives in, to coin a phrase from the Brexit handbook, that he thinks that most parents of trans kids are a) accepting of their child's identity and b) only doing it to be cool. In most places, even given the strides taken in society regarding the issue, coming out as trans is fraught with stress and potential outrage, violence and ignorance. To think that it is just people being trendy or whatever the fuck he thinks people do it for is preposterous.

But yeah, public toilets and competitive sports

[JamesTC]

Noticed this comment on Glinner's underpants gnome journalism:

Trans women are not women the clue is in the word trans....maybe they should have put girl mode or mother mode into their list of rules.

Confirmation that trans fats contain no fat at all and we can eat as much as we want. Get in.

[Cuellar]

Transalpine Gaul is NOT Gaul

[Kankurette]

It's not like there are loads of trans female writers out there.

It shows how little real life experience he has with these issues as if he ever met any transgender people or children going through the process of coming out as trans then he would see what an often stressful, heart-breaking and difficult thing it can be, mainly due to cunts like him. Even if parents are accepting and understanding of their child's identity, there are so many obstacles and issues inherent in transitioning, even within your social circle before medical involvement

It also shows how much of a "liberal elite bubble" he lives in, to coin a phrase from the Brexit handbook, that he thinks that most parents of trans kids are a) accepting of their child's identity and b) only doing it to be cool. In most places, even given the strides taken in society regarding the issue, coming out as trans is fraught with stress and potential outrage, violence and ignorance. To think that it is just people being trendy or whatever the fuck he thinks people do it for is preposterous.

But yeah, public toilets and competitive sports

i've got an old uni friend who's come out as trans/NB and I'm not sure if they've had surgery, I didn't want to ask, but I do know it took them 2 years to get seen and that they had to go private. It's not like you say 'oh hay thar I have gender dysphoria halp plz' and you magically get an appointment.

[phantom_power]

The idea that parents of trans children are just doing it to avoid them being gay is clearly bollocks as well. Anyone who is accepting of trans rights would without doubt also be accepting of gay identities as well. In fact it seems from the people I know who have trans children it is a tightrope between accepting what the child says as well as wondering about all the other possibilities as well. Maybe they are just gay and not able to process it properly. Maybe they are just going through a phase. All these things and more go through their heads as they try to help their children as much as possible while at the same time trying to protect them from the transphobes and the child's own other issues (one child of a friend has also struggled with anorexia, self harm and suicide attempts)

And that is only parents who are fully supportive of and loving towards their children. That becomes infinitely more difficult for the child if the parents aren't accepting of their identity

This fantasy of radical liberal parents forcing an identity on a child is a fucking joke and I am amazed at how popular a theory it is, even given the brain melt most TERFs seem to have undergone

[JaDanketies]

They used to say that Iran transes the gays too because Sharia Law doesn't like homosexuals and likes transgender people more. I don't even have a clue what this is based off but terfs used to all 'know this fact', which 'proves' that they're progressive and TRAs are like ISIS

[bigfatheart]

Wait, so does this mean that Matt Berry's girlfriend was from Iran all along?

[Blumf]

They used to say that Iran transes the gays too because Sharia Law doesn't like homosexuals and likes transgender people more. I don't even have a clue what this is based off but terfs used to all 'know this fact', which 'proves' that they're progressive and TRAs are like ISIS

I have vague memories of a documentary or extended news report from the 90s that covered the story of someone transitioning in Iran. Think it was on C4. Wonder if that's where people are getting all this from.

[Zetetic]

These claims about Iran are not controversial, and have been widely reported for a couple decades. (Edit: Although it's worth noting that Khomeini's fatwa and limited state support doesn't translate into widespread tolerance etc.)

However it's not clear that they tell us much about trans people in liberal Western cultures.

This list posted earlier in the thread also arguably provides at least a couple of examples of extremely heteronormative patriarchal societies supporting changes between two fairly strictly defined binary genders as workarounds for problems (often created by the strict definition of gender roles) in the context of those societies.

The Balkan sworn virgins traditions is probably the clearest cut example of this, apparently emerging from sort of combination of blood feuds, frequent internecine conflicts and male-only inheritance and wealth holding.

Taking these sorts of things as seriously informing the background or experiences of trans people or gender fluidity here and now seems, to me, to 1) give a bunch of undeserved ammunition to transphobic people and 2) fail to actually engage with these phenomena (and the people involved in them) in the context of the societies that they're found in.

[Zetetic]

EDIT FATWA

[JaDanketies]

Yeah I just read up on it and it sounds like it is shit to be trans in Iran. Widespread discrimination. They perform a lot of sex reassignment surgery and you can legally change your gender but this is more a way to smash everyone into the gender binary. If you are dysphoric then you are essentially forced into surgery. No reason to believe that gay men are being turned into trans women from my research though. Doesn't sound like the TRA utopia I'd heard of.


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I think Glinner probably made the 'i'm not transphobic one iota' statements back when he got a lot of pushback and was corresponding with a lot of people who disagreed with him. I think he probably forgets not to be a blatant bigot nowadays and probably never has to deal with being called out of it any more. He's in a proverbial bubble

[retsuza]

I forgot that he has a Facebook where you can potentially report some shit and annoy him. Scrolling down it, I notice he's now sharing Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan videos. I'm sure we all called it years ago.

Really he might dismiss Facebook but he seems to be using it often now. It's kind of the perfect social media group for the perpetually-offended-by-societal-change-and-thinks-that-image-macros-are-evidence terf contingent really.

Was absolutely stunned seeing this art in his Facebook comments. It's from a supporter - they've really captured his lopsidedness

[JamesTC]

John Oliver has let himself go.

[Blumf]

Paul McCartney has let himself go.

[jobotic]

This idea that parents with gay children would want them to transition instead is utterly ludicrous. So there are people who are

a) incredibly homophobic but cool with trans men and women

b) so painfully woke that when they are told by their child that they're gay it's not enough. "I'll get more kudos if you're trans.
Let's get down the clinic".

He's such a fucking bell end.

[JaDanketies]

I saw some people gleefully sharing pre-transition photos of Glinnerbane Katie M in his replies too. like "share it far and wide." "Didn't he used to be in a heavy metal band?" Seriously guys why would anyone possibly give a shit what she used to look like. The only people who could possibly care are Katie and people who hate her and want to be cruel and spiteful. And your sexism is showing because she's still in a heavy metal band.

This one: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1074245479756719&id=100015138307065

Total 'are we the baddies' audience right there

[Janie Jones]

The idea that parents of trans children are just doing it to avoid them being gay is clearly bollocks as well.

This idea that parents with gay children would want them to transition instead is utterly ludicrous.

Well Glinner is nearly as old as me and a lot of my peers are devout Terfs so I think I might have some insight into this.

When I was a teenager, it wasn't cool woke parents pressurising gay kids into transitioning. It was ignorant parents who didn't understand the difference between sexuality and gender, they believed that science could solve everything and there was a pill for every ill. My friend's cool older cousin was what you'd now recognise as a perfectly normal butch lesbian but she was definitely groomed into thinking of herself as born in the wrong body. I don't know what happened to her, I know she started down the F to M transition route but I lost touch with my friend.

In the 80s I used to read in those women's weekly magazines of the "RAPED - BY MY GRANDAD'S GHOST!" ilk, really sad articles about lesbians who had felt pressured into transitioning. Despite the huge waiting times, the face-to-face time with an expert discussing what transition entails was allegedly perfunctory. There were also horror stories, possibly apocryphal but I honestly remember one from an endocrine option in A level biology, about baby boys suffering freak circumsision accidents that lopped off their willies so their parents had brought them up as girls with disastrous results... this sort of stuff was swilling around in the pre-internet Space Age. So I'm sorry to say that people of my generation probably have got some vague memories or knowledge of parents who out of ignorance or a misguided wish to do the best that can for their kids, may have wanted their kids to transition.

Please don't shoot the messenger, I'm not transphobic. I just want you to recognise that it's possible that some people, especially Glinner's age, may think they have heard of examples of parents who might pressure gay kids into being trans.

[Better Midlands]

parents had brought them up as girls with disastrous results

Iain Banks' The Wasp Factory from 1984 covers this (although the other way round), must have been in the zeitgeist at the time.

[JaDanketies]

The famous botched circumcision case is David Reimer. His paediatrician appears to have been a fucking nonce too, that part of the story gets omitted. Generally viewed as showing that gender identities are not socialised but are innate but doesn't really tell us much about transgender people. Although you could be forgiven for thinking it does.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

I kinda think it doesn't matter why someone is trans any more than it matters why someone is gay. It's obvious to me that some people just are trans. More than likely a percentage of the population always was trans, it's just that in a civilisation that until very recently enforced rigid gender roles and viewed sex as something innately sinful and disgusting, they weren't free to be trans or didn't even have the language to express what they were feeling.

[Retinend]

re: pressuring gay kids - It definitely happens - there are people who detransition and they regret being convinced that they were ever trans in the first place, and there has to be some sort of "pressure" accountable, either from peers, parents or professionals. But the important thing is that these are a tiny percentage of people who transition, and make up 0% of truly trans people.

[idunnosomename]

he's currently stanning some genuinely horrible person (who seems quite similar to his idol Magdalene Berns in mannerisms) as the "punk cavalry" against the "gender hippies".

you know, grace lavery was essentially an uncontroversial figure before graham decided to quote tweet her with "Grooming". now she gets daily abuse from his gender critical flying monkeys, and he continues to encourage that abuse. just because he doesn't think transpeople (mostly transwomen) should have a significant voice in society, he just think they should be endlessly self-deprecating like Debbie Hayton who he gets to call a man for bants.

he is so utterly disgusting. absolute nadir of humanity.