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Title: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on May 28, 2019, 08:23:13 PM
(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article15237144.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/2_Northern-carriage-cordoned-off-to-protect-passengers-from-anti-freeze.jpg)  "An old Pacer could be transformed into a community space, a café or even a new village hall.

This summer, rail industry partners will launch a competition offering community groups the opportunity to put forward their plans to convert a Pacer into a new public space. The Pacer will be donated by rolling stock company Porterbrook"

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Official_portrait_of_Andrew_Jones_crop_2.jpg/800px-Official_portrait_of_Andrew_Jones_crop_2.jpg)The Pacers have been the workhorses of the north’s rail network, connecting communities for more than 30 years, but it is clear that they have outstayed their welcome.

Through this competition we can ensure that the Pacer can be transformed to serve a community near where it carried passengers in an entirely different way.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Jake_Berry_MP_%28Gov%29.jpg)
I travelled to school on a Pacer train and I look forward to getting on board again
to see how these old carriages will continue to provide a valuable service for many years to come.




Not far off forcing the Welsh to rename the Second Severn Crossing to the "Prince of Wales Bridge" (complete with semi-secret toadying ceremony for its namesake).

The Pacer, for those from foreign countries like London, is a train from 1980 made out of a bus from 1972. It has remained in use in some of the outposts of the empire like the Powerhouses of the North and the Western Retiree Zone. They're finally being withdrawn from service in the next year or so as criminally inaccessible.

On the plus side, they haven't been designed to actually cook passenger's shit like some of our trains.

Since this is a forum: What would you convert a Pacer into that would please Jake Berry MP (rode a Pacer to school) or Andrew Jones MP (has some odd ideas about what Northerners would really like)?
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: imitationleather on May 28, 2019, 08:25:10 PM
I think they should turn a Pacer into one of those food banks that has run out of everything that they have now.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on May 28, 2019, 08:28:14 PM
In the interests of balance:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Official_portrait_of_Jonathan_Reynolds_crop_2.jpg/800px-Official_portrait_of_Jonathan_Reynolds_crop_2.jpg)I am not sure my constituents will agree that this is an ‘exciting opportunity’, unless one of them is turned into a museum dedicated to highlighting years of under-investment in Northern transport

My personal suggestion would be to invite my fed up constituents to dismantle them piece by piece, a bit like when the Berlin Wall came down.

Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde)
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 28, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
I would convert it into scrap metal money so i didn't have to look at the frightful thing.

You can convert a bus into a cafe though; here's the Pitstop of Pitcaple, or 'the greasy bus' as it's commonly known.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/969/27348263707_00cfa2f291_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: idunnosomename on May 28, 2019, 08:38:36 PM
i think they should put chris grayling into a pacer and set it on fire
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Al Tha Funkee Homosapien on May 28, 2019, 09:06:19 PM
Mobile Gegs?

(https://i.imgur.com/BPdvRzY.png)


(Sorry its all gone a bit Happy Shopper Cold War Steve)
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on May 28, 2019, 09:12:21 PM
Still worth asking Gregg if he'd be interested.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 28, 2019, 09:21:04 PM
The Pacer, for those from foreign countries like London, is a train from 1980 made out of a bus from 1972.

That's funny. Over here, it's the chewy sweet from the 1980s that inspired the TingeFor_Now logo.

Stripes?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61l4F3Q-uBg
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Buelligan on May 28, 2019, 09:29:42 PM
I'd convert one into a space rocket and fire invited guests into the heart of the sun.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 28, 2019, 09:32:01 PM
I would convert it into scrap metal money so i didn't have to look at the frightful thing.

You can convert a bus into a cafe though; here's the Pitstop of Pitcaple, or 'the greasy bus' as it's commonly known.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/969/27348263707_00cfa2f291_b.jpg)

diesel-ation.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Buelligan on May 28, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
Could they be used to house low risk prisoners, like modern prison hulks?  This could be an answer to overcrowding and offer new profit opportunities to flagship British companies like G4S.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 28, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Could they be used to house low risk prisoners, like modern prison hulks?  This could be an answer to overcrowding and offer new profit opportunities to flagship British companies like G4S.

that might work. you'd have to putty-up the emergency door/window thing though but.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Blumf on May 28, 2019, 10:04:44 PM
I quite liked the Pacers.

It seems that one of their replacements, the Class 230 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_230), is equally as cheap, being recycled old London Underground rolling stock. Then there's it's name; hey ladies, wanna take a ride on the D-Train?
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 28, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
is anybody else now jonesing for a bag of opal mints? I'm off to the co-op, see if I can find a modern equivalent.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: MidnightShambler on May 30, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
The Liverpool to Manchester journey on the pacer is a right pain in the arse. It's not so bad as your lilting along through the suburbs until you get to Roby, where anything up to 11,000 people, all with rucksacks, get on and you spend the next two hours vowing to send absolutely everybody who has ever been involved with trains, from Ringo Starr to Shoko Asahara, a turd in the post.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Replies From View on May 30, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Imagine an old bus being used as a community hall.  A long, thin community hall split over two levels.  Brilliant.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: icehaven on May 30, 2019, 01:48:57 PM
that might work. you'd have to putty-up the emergency door/window thing though but.

Errrrr, putty isn't free you know, do you think G4S are made of money?

Anyway during the Big Society debacle, there was a heartwarming story of how a knackered, draughty old donated bus had been turned into a frankly shitty looking library for a school, so I emailed the people responsible and asked if they really thought that was an acceptable substitute for a properly funded and built-for-purpose school library, and got some bullshit reply fobbing me off, then when I replied to that asking for further expansion I got a one line missive advising any further enquiries to some generic Big Society enquiry line, the flaky twats.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: MidnightShambler on May 30, 2019, 01:50:39 PM
I always rub putty on myself before I go out for the night. All the birds love it....
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on June 02, 2019, 10:41:00 AM
Errrrr, putty isn't free you know, do you think G4S are made of money?
I'd have thought the point of a hulk is that they're hard to escape from by virtue of their situation - whether that's at sea or constantly travelling Britain's railways.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: icehaven on June 02, 2019, 11:51:13 AM
I'd have thought the point of a hulk is that they're hard to escape from by virtue of their situation - whether that's at sea or constantly travelling Britain's railways.

So G4S would have to pay for fuel too?! You must be kidding.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on June 02, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
Get the prisoners to power it.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: icehaven on June 02, 2019, 02:05:39 PM
Get the prisoners to power it.

Ah like the old treadmills? Now you're talking.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Bobtoo on June 02, 2019, 04:36:47 PM
The original version was even more bus-like.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7280/7599087498_cef4525866_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/czviXY)DSC_0792 (https://flic.kr/p/czviXY) by RichardB5 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/30854514@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 02, 2019, 04:46:47 PM
I think one of my most desolate experiences was getting a pacer to Manchester to visit a dying friend. It was during a heatwave and a massive fat lady was spilling into me while she eat a burger King out of her handbag. It stank.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: buzby on June 03, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
The original version was even more bus-like.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7280/7599087498_cef4525866_b.jpg)[/url]
That's not the original - that is the third prototype RB004. The original prototype was the Leyland/BREL LEV1 (Leyland Experimental Vehicle 1), built in 1978 and which used unmodified Leyland National cab ends and side panels:
(http://www.traintesting.com/images/LEV1-RTC.jpg)
BREL also designed their own prototype in 1981 using the same body panels called the R3, but it was even worse than LEV1 and was regauged and sold to Northern Ireland.

The original bus windscreens were deemed unsafe from flying object damage (on test runs it was fitted with wire mesh 'riot shields' over the windscreens) and the bus cab panels  did not conform to the BR crash safety regs, which led to the cab ends being redesigned for the second prototype RB002 (built in 1984) to have impact resistant flat glass panels and more crash protection:
(http://www.traintesting.com/images/RB002%20RTC.jpg)
It was exported for test trials to the US and Canada, and after returning to the UK was then sent to Denmark and Sweden for trials, before also eventually being sent to Northern Ireland.

RB004 was built simultaneously to RB002 for UK testing.

Simultaneously to the RB-series single car prototypes, the LEV1 design developed into the 2-car Class 140 prototype between 1979-81, which eventually became the first Class 141 derivative of the Pacer family. The Class 140 had 'multiple unit' style gangway cab ends (similar to the standard Class 31x/50x EMUs from around the time)..
(https://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/04/RM-April-p87.jpg)
To cut costs, by the time it reached production the cab ends were changed to a non-gangway type based on the RB-series prototypes.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Blumf on June 03, 2019, 12:10:06 AM
Was all the money going on the APT?
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: buzby on June 03, 2019, 01:04:46 AM
Was all the money going on the APT?
The Thatcher government basically stopped subsidising BR, so it could only spend it's own money from revenues. The project to electrify the East Coast Man Line started in 1981. The APT also started main line passenger trials in 1981 (in reality it was not ready but the government were pressuring BR to cancel the project), so by that time the bulk of the £47m it cost to develop had already been spent.

The three prototypes were withdrawn later that year after being vilified in the press over technical issues and after 3 years of further testing and modifications they were reintroduced into passenger service in 1984. They then ran as reliably as any other electric train on the WCML for nearly 18 months, including taking 20 minutes off the record for the London Euston-Glasgow diagram, but were withdrawn again in December 1985 when the plans for the production version were cancelled, pissing the £47m development cost up the wall after finally getting it working properly.

The only element of the APT-S production version that found use in BR was the design of the coaches, which became the Mk4 stock, built for use with the Class 91 locos in the InterCity 225s trains for the ECML at the end of the 80s (they have angled body sides as they were designed to be used with tilting gear)

The patents for the APT's tilt system were sold to Italy's Fiat Ferroviaria, who used them on their Pendolino tilting trains. Ferroviaria were later sold to Alsthom of France (who also ended up with GEC's heavy power and rail divisions), who in 2002 supplied the Class 390 Pendolinos to Angel Trains in the UK for lease to Virgin for the WCML (which still haven't beaten the APT's record from Euston to Glasgow).
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: phes on June 03, 2019, 07:36:36 AM
turn them into exciting leisure centres so CaB gets its own celebrity expert death-match thread
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: biggytitbo on June 03, 2019, 08:25:39 AM
They should be crushed into a tiny cube and launched into the sun.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Paul Calf on June 03, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Jake_Berry_MP_%28Gov%29.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/985788981097967616/S8Q_jKQu.jpg)
Tadej Slapnik's let himself go.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on October 10, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
In turns out the winning entry is... to keep using them as trains.

(Both Northern and TfWales have now abandoned plans to withdraw them by the end of this year.)
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Glebe on October 11, 2019, 05:11:40 PM
The Pacers have been the workhorses of the north’s rail network, connecting communities for more than 30 years, but it is clear that they have outstayed their welcome.

Don't forget the great work done by the fluffers and crackers!

Mobile Gegs?(https://i.imgur.com/BPdvRzY.png)


(Sorry its all gone a bit Happy Shopper Cold War Steve)

Belated Karma, ATFH.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on November 27, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
"Today marks the final passenger service operated by a Pacer train on Northern."

https://twitter.com/northernassist/status/1332380266850115587

Think we still have them in Wales, but I've not been near a train for ages.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: idunnosomename on November 27, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
cunt the pacers into the fucking sun
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 27, 2020, 10:05:40 PM
fuckin hate these trains

train guy said to me once that the pacer we were in probably done a million miles

BIN IT THEN!
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 27, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
I turns out one got sent to america to test on an ailing Septa lines. They ran it once up the tracks that hadn't been used for ages and went 'fuck that'.

The decay of SEPTA is quite interesting in general:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWxbAoOK2o

Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: idunnosomename on November 27, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
theres a lot of shitting on pacers under this tweet

https://twitter.com/GarethDennis/status/1332352379958816770

absolute Thatcher's Britain shite. melt them into atoms
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: touchingcloth on November 28, 2020, 12:23:25 AM
I don’t know what your guys’es’ beef is. I like Pacers; I like how they make my ankles hot and change the temperature in other parts of my body not a jot.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 28, 2020, 12:37:26 AM
A pacer is a good example of neoliberalism more-or-less resulting in "soviet union, but expensive" privatised service

 
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: buzby on November 28, 2020, 01:32:16 AM
I turns out one got sent to america to test on an ailing Septa lines. They ran it once up the tracks that hadn't been used for ages and went 'fuck that'.

The decay of SEPTA is quite interesting in general:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWxbAoOK2o
The ones (as there were two of them) sent to the US for testing were not strictly a Pacer as we know them. but were parallel developments of the original Leyland LEV1 Railbus prototype.

One was called LEV2 and was built purely as trial unit for an export model for the US market (the original LEV1 single car prototype had been sent over there for demonstrations and the US DoT/Amtrak were impressed enough to order a modified version for further trials in 1980. Like LEV1 it was a single car rather than a 2-car DMU and was stretched to 50ft by the addition of 2 extra Leyland National window bay modules. It also had standard Leyland National II bus cab ends.
(https://www.departmentals.com/medium/LEV2-1.jpg)
It was built by Wickhams from components supplied by Leyland and BREL as anything built by a state-owned manufacturer would have been difficult to import into the US. On arrival it was initially sent for trials with the MBTA in Boston but was involved in a level crossing accident as it was too light to operate the crossing signal switches reliably. It was then sent to Rhode Island and operated briefly on Northeast Corridor services until being withdrawn. It then passed through a number of preserved railways and is now sat in the scrap line at the Connecticut Trolley Museum (see the above picture)

Later on,in 1984, Leyland and BREL developed another single car export demonstrator from the LEV2 concept called RB002. This featured the 3-window strengthened cab ends developed for the Class 141 Pacer.
(https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_12/85-423.JPG.5cdb081df554a7418f149cc846870715.JPG)
It was sent over to Canada and the US for trials (including Washington, Virginia and it's brief stay in Pennsylvania) before returning to the UK and then being sent for trials in Denmark and Sweden. It returned to the UK again and was sent to a railway on the Dutch/German border for trials and then returned back to the UK again. It was eventually sent to Ireland, where it now sits decomposing at a now defunct preserved railway. No export orders were forthcoming from it's many trials.

The only actual Pacer to make it over the Atlantic was Class 142 142049 which was sent to Vancouver as a demonstrator during Expo 86 (we sent a Pacer as an example of the cream of British engineering prowess)
(http://www.railforthevalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/RftV-001.jpg).
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 28, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Check this shit out

https://www.afrps.co.uk/new_page_6.htm
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: idunnosomename on November 28, 2020, 11:46:01 AM
 all  participants   must  present  themselves  in   fit  state  to rive  the  unit ,no one  under  the  influence  of  alcohol or  drugs will  be allowed  to drive  the  unit
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 28, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
all  participants   must  present  themselves  in   fit  state  to rive  the  unit ,no one  under  the  influence  of  alcohol or  drugs will  be allowed  to drive  the  unit

R o b l em, w i t h t h a t?
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: idunnosomename on November 28, 2020, 11:48:45 AM
I 'm not  issed you know
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 28, 2020, 11:51:58 AM


Interesting it sounds like the podcast I link conflated the two then as they told it as one train being ran in Pennsylvania then stuck in a yard. It was I guess a footnote on SEPTA's decades-long demise.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on November 28, 2020, 02:17:10 PM
The decay of SEPTA is quite interesting in general:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWxbAoOK2o
This finally got me to listen to WTYP, which I'm grateful for.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 28, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
This finally got me to listen to WTYP, which I'm grateful for.

Nice, I've only recently got into it (not got around to Trashfuture) but have been hammering it and really enjoy them.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Dex Sawash on November 28, 2020, 05:03:42 PM
Check this shit out

https://www.afrps.co.uk/new_page_6.htm

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSe1SYN9uaBa7Z_J-kbqVpwzHfKMJWo3lv52A&usqp=CAU)

Have you ever made love on a real (grim) train?
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: buzby on November 28, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
Interesting it sounds like the podcast I link conflated the two then as they told it as one train being ran in Pennsylvania then stuck in a yard. It was I guess a footnote on SEPTA's decades-long demise.
I've been watching Well There's Your Problem from when it started. Unless it's on  building/civil engineering (which Justin has experience in), US rail accidents or they have a guest on with knowledge in the field for that episode, the technical side and details usually leave something to be desired. The Boeing 737MAX episode is probably the nadir when i comes to that, but the Hillsborough, Grenfell and recent 1955 Le Mans one were also a bit hit and miss factually.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Zetetic on September 07, 2021, 12:07:52 AM
A family support centre at a hospital.
A kitchen for a mental health charity.
A new classroom for kids.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: phes on September 09, 2021, 12:31:38 AM
The ones (as there were two of them) sent to the US for testing were not strictly a Pacer as we know them. but were parallel developments of the original Leyland LEV1 Railbus prototype.

One was called LEV2 and was built purely as trial unit for an export model for the US market (the original LEV1 single car prototype had been sent over there for demonstrations and the US DoT/Amtrak were impressed enough to order a modified version for further trials in 1980. Like LEV1 it was a single car rather than a 2-car DMU and was stretched to 50ft by the addition of 2 extra Leyland National window bay modules. It also had standard Leyland National II bus cab ends.
(https://www.departmentals.com/medium/LEV2-1.jpg)
It was built by Wickhams from components supplied by Leyland and BREL as anything built by a state-owned manufacturer would have been difficult to import into the US. On arrival it was initially sent for trials with the MBTA in Boston but was involved in a level crossing accident as it was too light to operate the crossing signal switches reliably. It was then sent to Rhode Island and operated briefly on Northeast Corridor services until being withdrawn. It then passed through a number of preserved railways and is now sat in the scrap line at the Connecticut Trolley Museum (see the above picture)

Later on,in 1984, Leyland and BREL developed another single car export demonstrator from the LEV2 concept called RB002. This featured the 3-window strengthened cab ends developed for the Class 141 Pacer.
(https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_12/85-423.JPG.5cdb081df554a7418f149cc846870715.JPG)
It was sent over to Canada and the US for trials (including Washington, Virginia and it's brief stay in Pennsylvania) before returning to the UK and then being sent for trials in Denmark and Sweden. It returned to the UK again and was sent to a railway on the Dutch/German border for trials and then returned back to the UK again. It was eventually sent to Ireland, where it now sits decomposing at a now defunct preserved railway. No export orders were forthcoming from it's many trials.

The only actual Pacer to make it over the Atlantic was Class 142 142049 which was sent to Vancouver as a demonstrator during Expo 86 (we sent a Pacer as an example of the cream of British engineering prowess)
(http://www.railforthevalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/RftV-001.jpg).

Pacers weren't much fun to ride for long or outside of a moderate temperature range. How does it come to be that we sent them to a bunch of big places with more extreme temperatures. Did we just badger them and they said oh go on then...wait, what fuck is this?
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: buzby on September 09, 2021, 09:06:31 AM
Pacers weren't much fun to ride for long or outside of a moderate temperature range. How does it come to be that we sent them to a bunch of big places with more extreme temperatures. Did we just badger them and they said oh go on then...wait, what fuck is this?
To be fair, the places they were tested for potential export sales were usually branch lines or suburban commuter services - it wasn't like Amtrak were going to use them for mainline services. Given that US trackwork repair standards are even worse than ours, I dread to think what the ride was like on one of those commuter lines (the SEPTA trials on the Fox Chase line in Philadelphia noted that the ride quality was 'lacklustre', and was one of the reasons, along with lack of money, why they never bought any).

On the heating front, the prototypes sent over for testing still had the roof pod heater/aircon units, so although the passengers would have been freezing in winter, at least they wouldn't be boiled alive from the feet upwards in summer.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: phes on September 09, 2021, 11:10:25 AM
Ah, of course. Was picturing Amtrak's build of carriages and imagining a pacer chugging along through the wilderness in 37 degrees on spaghetti lines and ploughing through a herd of buffalo. 
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 09, 2021, 11:29:17 AM
I really like the livery of the RB002 Railbus.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 11, 2021, 11:35:52 AM
They could use them for unpopular purposes like hostels for paedophiles, nuclear reactors, Israeli theatre troupes, and arms fairs, and drive the country outrunning protestors. Till they reach a red signal or cow on the line west of Airdrie.
Title: Re: Converting a bus into a train into a metaphor
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 11, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
It's really depressing they're getting repurposed for stuff that should just be built.

It's not quite the same when George Clarke isn't gawping at them with child-like wonder.