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Title: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 19, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Americans are even more prone to exceptionalism than the dogshit eating peadwraith numbskulls in the UK, and I've been talking to a couple of mates over there (albeit in Houston) who are losing their shit that too many people are basically handwaving this. While not wanting this to be another Trump thread, stoking the fires of the anti-vax/good ol' boys/5G wanks/capitalist sucklers may lead to a lockdown failure in certain areas, which would cause unbelievable tension between states. There's evidently already enough retardo sentiment over there without encouraging these gonk tier M16 soccer mom survivalist pickup truck corn boys to get BLACKED by corono.

It'll be useful to have a place to record their ongoing response to the global Covid-19 pandemic.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Annie Labuntur on April 19, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
^  CHECK OUT THIS ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 19, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
Just quoting Ja'moke from another thread because it's relevant:

Quote from: Ja'moke on April 19, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
A good post on Reddit showing that all these "Reopen America" protests in the US are part of a mass astroturfing campaign:

https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/i_simply_cannot_believe_that_people_are/fnstpyl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on April 19, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
This is one of those rare occasions where it seems to me like the thick people are the ones who are going to experience the sharpest and most direct consequences of their own thickness.

So let them keep being thick.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on April 19, 2020, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on April 19, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
This is one of those rare occasions where it seems to me like the thick people are the ones who are going to experience the sharpest and most direct consequences of their own thickness.

So let them keep being thick.

Not really though. The people protesting are a bunch of small business owners who want things to open back up again so they can force their minimum wage workers to sacrifice themselves, all while patrolling the streets in hermetically sealed SUVs like modern day slavemasters on horseback.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on April 19, 2020, 05:07:03 PM
I'm not sure you're correct.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 19, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/o0S0gKe.jpg)
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Post by: His Name Is Death on April 19, 2020, 05:13:10 PM
The new Dune film looks amazing.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on April 19, 2020, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on April 19, 2020, 05:07:03 PM
I'm not sure you're correct.

Well the current protests were explicitly organized by small-business owners, the primary victims of a pandemic are the poor and working class people who have to go into work, and the primary issue with their idiotic position is that it will keep the pandemic alive in the population at large.

Everyone is screwed by a minority choosing to disregard the lockdown, that is the entire dilemma of the last two months.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 19, 2020, 05:15:07 PM
VERY APPETIZING

(https://i.ibb.co/HqcJtBh/Untitled-1.jpg)

Staunch pro-life advocate Dr. Oz there
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Harry Badger on April 19, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
It of course would not hurt Trump and the Republicans at all if the death toll in Democrat voting urban areas shoots up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on April 19, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Well that's Sparks' Sextown USA in my head for the next couple of hours
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on April 19, 2020, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: Harry Badger on April 19, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
It of course would not hurt Trump and the Republicans at all if the death toll in Democrat voting urban areas shoots up.

As we have seen, the DNC are perfectly capable of helping Trump without hundreds of thousands dead.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Absorb the anus burn on April 19, 2020, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: Rich Uncle Skeleton on April 19, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Well that's Sparks' Sextown USA in my head for the next couple of hours

Same here! :-)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 19, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: Rich Uncle Skeleton on April 19, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Well that's Sparks' Sextown USA in my head for the next couple of hours

The verse of that always reminds me of the HIGNFY theme, a bit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 19, 2020, 09:25:30 PM
americans are very strange
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 19, 2020, 09:28:59 PM
School shootings down by exponential infinity during lockdown

Must be some really frustrated young fellas rn can't wait to shoot up a cafeteria
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 19, 2020, 09:30:02 PM
open america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 19, 2020, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on April 19, 2020, 09:28:59 PM
School shootings down by exponential infinity during lockdown

Must be some really frustrated young fellas rn can't wait to shoot up a cafeteria

Public masturbation must be up by, what - 45,000% (and that's me)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 20, 2020, 08:20:34 AM
That's a different kind of school shooting.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 20, 2020, 08:25:59 AM
Dr. Oz: "Any life is a life lost" ?

Trump: "Any death is capital lost"

Not necessarily.

Trump: "We must monetise death, fast"

Already done.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 20, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
Face off between freedom protesters and health workers in Colorado.

https://mobile.twitter.com/marczenn/status/1251975162926227457
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 20, 2020, 09:16:10 AM
That car is rather large
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on April 20, 2020, 09:49:08 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 19, 2020, 09:25:30 PM
americans are very strange
I'm sure on average they're no different than the rest of us, but I'm firmly of the opinion that there's nobody more thick than a thick American, or none more crazy than a crazy American.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on April 20, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
The Beach Boys' attempt to be ' with it' and appeal to the Dead Kennedy's Fans demographic was not an unqualified success.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 20, 2020, 02:26:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ifmNgZj.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on April 20, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: Head Gardener on April 20, 2020, 02:26:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ifmNgZj.jpg)
A young Bob Geldof has let his level of protesting go.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on April 20, 2020, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Non Stop Dancer on April 20, 2020, 09:49:08 AM
I'm sure on average they're no different than the rest of us, but I'm firmly of the opinion that there's nobody more thick than a thick American, or none more crazy than a crazy American.

Recent poll shows 66% of Americans are concerned that the country will reopen too soon, which suggests that one-third aren't. It's always a third. And it's always the same people. This country will forever be hobbled by a bunch of doughy, impossibly angry Christian idiots hanging round its ankles, stopping it from making any progress. If only there was some kind of plague that would wipe them all out ...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 20, 2020, 10:30:42 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/QbzxXJ3/2-F1-E1-BF6-5452-463-A-B2-B0-1-C903-B6-BB55-A.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on April 20, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Excellent.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 21, 2020, 01:59:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWAd1QCXYAEdGv-.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Quote on April 21, 2020, 02:11:34 PM
Tough choice.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on April 21, 2020, 02:39:25 PM
Never knew Graham Linehan was involved in American politics.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 21, 2020, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on April 21, 2020, 02:39:25 PM
Never knew Graham Linehan was involved in American politics.

Gaham Linehan
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Wanking Monk of Kefalonia on April 21, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on April 19, 2020, 05:13:59 PM
Everyone is screwed by a minority choosing to disregard the lockdown, that is the entire dilemma of the last two months.

That's presupposing that there's evidence to support the idea that 'locking down' will effectively prevent deaths from the virus, which there isn't. Sweden and Japan haven't gone down that route and they don't have significantly higher death tolls than those countries which have. If a large proportion of people have already been exposed to the virus and have been asymptomatic, then 1) the virus is clearly relatively mild and 2) locking down is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted - the virus is already out there spreading among the population, and has been for longer than was initially believed.

The economic fallout from the lockdown will be far more damaging than the virus itself. Pointing that out doesn't make you a boomer capitalist only concerned about muh stonk market, it's recognizing that the poor will suffer the most from this in terms of health and living standards.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 21, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
Sweden is much more spread out than the UK and has a much smaller population (10,330,456), so it's much easier to socially distance without a lockdown.

Not really sure re Japan - someone else will be able to explain.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Thomas on April 21, 2020, 03:56:50 PM
godzilla
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Buelligan on April 21, 2020, 04:12:35 PM
Quote from: Wanking Monk of Kefalonia on April 21, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
That's presupposing that there's evidence to support the idea that 'locking down' will effectively prevent deaths from the virus, which there isn't. Sweden and Japan haven't gone down that route and they don't have significantly higher death tolls than those countries which have. If a large proportion of people have already been exposed to the virus and have been asymptomatic, then 1) the virus is clearly relatively mild and 2) locking down is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted - the virus is already out there spreading among the population, and has been for longer than was initially believed.

The economic fallout from the lockdown will be far more damaging than the virus itself. Pointing that out doesn't make you a boomer capitalist only concerned about muh stonk market, it's recognizing that the poor will suffer the most from this in terms of health and living standards.

Right now the French are taking care of the poor.  Right now, the Americans are not.  Both in lockdown.  Lockdown is not the reason the poor don't get support.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 21, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
Check the guy's track record. Only appears to pipe up when there's opportunity to criticise the left. Seemingly trace interest in any other aspect of the site. Can be fairly written off as another agenda ghoul.

Quote from: Wanker Boomer of Kefaloniathe transgender fad.

Charming.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on April 21, 2020, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 21, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
Sweden is much more spread out than the UK and has a much smaller population (10,330,456), so it's much easier to socially distance without a lockdown.

Not really sure re Japan - someone else will be able to explain.

Harikiri.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Consignia on April 21, 2020, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 21, 2020, 03:47:31 PM

Not really sure re Japan - someone else will be able to explain.

Lying about cases to make sure the olympics go ahead.

Conspiracies aside, Japan's on a similar trajectory to West European countries and is in a full lockdown now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on April 21, 2020, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: Wanking Monk of Kefalonia on April 21, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
That's presupposing that there's evidence to support the idea that 'locking down' will effectively prevent deaths from the virus, which there isn't. Sweden and Japan haven't gone down that route and they don't have significantly higher death tolls than those countries which have. If a large proportion of people have already been exposed to the virus and have been asymptomatic, then 1) the virus is clearly relatively mild and 2) locking down is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted - the virus is already out there spreading among the population, and has been for longer than was initially believed.

The economic fallout from the lockdown will be far more damaging than the virus itself. Pointing that out doesn't make you a boomer capitalist only concerned about muh stonk market, it's recognizing that the poor will suffer the most from this in terms of health and living standards.

Ok boomer.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 21, 2020, 11:21:27 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93687078_2289402617829354_6693110638463418368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQkqOlo0_NM2aKBNAzU8JIO-JmLoP4wYCtLfbctUWKYz8DRFdUX84o26bAiCQp9yaxI&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=6a4277b393e88ab91265d634d3317ed3&oe=5EC662A1)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 21, 2020, 11:32:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SOe7D8u.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cerys on April 22, 2020, 06:49:49 AM
Yesterday I encountered the phrase 'Branch Covidians' as a description of the protesters.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Twit 2 on April 22, 2020, 08:35:15 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 21, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
Check the guy's track record. Only appears to pipe up when there's opportunity to criticise the left. Seemingly trace interest in any other aspect of the site. Can be fairly written off as another agenda ghoul.

Charming.

Indeed, he is another lumpen ultra-prick: can be safely filed with the other pant-shitters, who slide out of a crack in a wall when they sniff an opportunity to make a fool of themselves to people who, at best, pity them. Partially sated, they slither back gurning into their asbestos cavern until the next time they need to do truth farts in the face of sense.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 22, 2020, 08:39:58 AM
There was something I saw on Facebook, can't credit it properly as I've forgotten where it was, but is was basically

"All these protesters who've spent years prepping, stockpiling food and weapons are now protesting the very thing they've been prepping for because they can't go to The Cheesecake Factory"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Buelligan on April 22, 2020, 09:08:45 AM
Yeah, dreadfully true.  But there's another thought there too. 

This is what happens to your account if you allow your leaders and your media, to convince your people that propaganda is fact and reality is not.  When you intentionally undermine the moral compass of a nation so's they'll nod through the carpet-bombing of families as God's work whilst pearl-clutching about women having abortions.  Who'll let people die of cancer in the street, whilst others suck jello and get another ass-lift. 

How can you expect people to be rational, to make reasoned judgments, when you've intentionally hidden their lodestone of decency from them for so long?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 22, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
education is for commies (https://youtu.be/umpalMtQE50)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 22, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on April 22, 2020, 08:39:58 AM
There was something I saw on Facebook, can't credit it properly as I've forgotten where it was, but is was basically

"All these protesters who've spent years prepping, stockpiling food and weapons are now protesting the very thing they've been prepping for because they can't go to The Cheesecake Factory"

I think it neatly boils down to the middle American way ultimately being a culture of spending and consumption in order to present an image of security and superiority. Hard work demonstrated by accrued stuff rather than skill. If you can't work, you can't spend and if you can't spend, how can you demonstrate your worth?

So it's inevitable that, having spent all that money arming themselves to the teeth and stocking their panic rooms, that when the crisis does hit their immediate response is to try to purchase their way out of it.
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Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 09:44:15 AM
Yep. Consumption over expertise. Ignorance over elegance.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 22, 2020, 10:02:21 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWDFplTWoAALIV1?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 22, 2020, 12:09:41 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on April 22, 2020, 08:39:58 AM

"All these protesters who've spent years prepping, stockpiling food and weapons are now protesting the very thing they've been prepping for because they can't go to The Cheesecake Factory"

I think there's a few of them about

(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94381770_10221859417299804_2126772284906536960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=CUto9JS38EYAX92_04k&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=593fa2c7bb4dbf77dec1d171721d2152&oe=5EC4B7F9)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 22, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
its more likely theyve just eaten their "10 months worth" of chili and twinkies in three weeks haha fat american idiots
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 22, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
I can't imagine many other countries where a large group of heavily armed men moseying into the city centre wouldn't elicit some kind of tactical military response.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dallasman on April 22, 2020, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Wanking Monk of Kefalonia on April 21, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
That's presupposing that there's evidence to support the idea that 'locking down' will effectively prevent deaths from the virus, which there isn't. Sweden and Japan haven't gone down that route and they don't have significantly higher death tolls than those countries which have.

Right now, Sweden's per capita death toll is 3x Denmark's, 5.6x Norway's, and 7.7x Finland's. But y'know, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Tegnell says the curve's nice and flat, so I guess we'll just wait and see who has the last laugh.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 22, 2020, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on April 22, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
I can't imagine many other countries where a large group of heavily armed men moseying into the city centre wouldn't elicit some kind of tactical military response.

Try being a black panther and doing it. That's what got rid of open carry in lots of states.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on April 22, 2020, 10:27:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFuH81UEAIN4SZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on April 22, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/04/Copy-of-Copy-of-Untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Jittlebags on April 22, 2020, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 22, 2020, 10:27:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFuH81UEAIN4SZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Casper! Is that you ?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 22, 2020, 10:51:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SIGQ9jm.png)

https://youtu.be/LHyzsBRSXTo (https://youtu.be/LHyzsBRSXTo)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 23, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
If the Governor of Nevada says no, can the Mayor of Las Vegas still allow businesses to open up? Not sure how this works.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on April 23, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
I think, in the American system, it depends on who has the most firepower.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 23, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5qT4Bd9/Screenshot-2020-04-22-at-7-55-22-PM.png)
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Post by: Buelligan on April 23, 2020, 10:01:24 AM
Mulch?  Since when have they been so honest?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on April 23, 2020, 10:02:03 AM
it's a great pic, it has everything
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Post by: Buelligan on April 23, 2020, 10:02:28 AM
It does.
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Post by: Pinball on April 23, 2020, 10:21:34 AM
And they're mostly not wearing masks. Darwinism happening in near real-time.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 23, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
Trump now saying he disagrees with some of Kemp's plan to re-open Georgia. Will this make Kemp think again?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on April 23, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: Head Gardener on April 23, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5qT4Bd9/Screenshot-2020-04-22-at-7-55-22-PM.png)

Where was Bart Simpson at the time?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 23, 2020, 12:53:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1UrLz2L.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 23, 2020, 01:44:27 PM
QuoteIn the United States, Attorney General William Barr has compared coronavirus shutdowns to "house arrest" and said the Justice Department could take legal action against states.

Speaking on radio programme The Hugh Hewitt Show, Barr said: "These are unprecedented burdens on civil liberties. The idea you have to stay in your house is disturbingly close to house arrest.

"We're looking carefully at a number of these rules and if we think one goes too far, we initially try to jawbone the governors into rolling them back or adjusting them. If they're not and people bring lawsuits, we [will] file statement of interest and side with the plaintiffs."...

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Post by: Buelligan on April 23, 2020, 03:17:01 PM
Bit rich coming from people who keep children in cages.
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Post by: DistressedArea on April 23, 2020, 07:54:15 PM
You're supposed to keep them in the fridge otherwise they go off.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
Yeah, unlike European children they wash the natural protective coating off so you can't keep them at room temperature.
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Post by: Dex Sawash on April 23, 2020, 09:06:00 PM

I do like the LET MY PEOPLE GO-LF ONE
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 24, 2020, 08:19:02 AM
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-york-virus-deaths-top-15k-cuomo-expected-to-detail-plan-to-fight-nursing-home-outbreaks/2386556/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: alan nagsworth on April 24, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
All Gas No Brakes, a hilariously straight-faced two-man independent media team who tour America interviewing some of the most batshit, idiotic, weird and controversial groups of people (well worth following this guy on social media, his edits are hilarious) has been at the anti-lockdown protests recently. This stuff is truly unbelievable. Imagine being a lawyer in America and going out with a placard comparing lockdown to slavery.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/410898416
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: momatt on April 24, 2020, 11:35:25 AM
America can't be as mad as this can it?
Or are their mad people just a bit louder than ours?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 24, 2020, 11:46:47 AM
Quote from: momatt on April 24, 2020, 11:35:25 AM
America can't be as mad as this can it?
Or are their mad people just a bit louder than ours?

This, basically. Everything in America is amplified/exaggerated. I mean, I love the place and the people but would often find that group conversations were just people taking turns to shout whatever was on their mind into the air.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Buelligan on April 24, 2020, 01:05:46 PM
Quote from: alan nagsworth on April 24, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
All Gas No Brakes, a hilariously straight-faced two-man independent media team who tour America interviewing some of the most batshit, idiotic, weird and controversial groups of people (well worth following this guy on social media, his edits are hilarious) has been at the anti-lockdown protests recently. This stuff is truly unbelievable. Imagine being a lawyer in America and going out with a placard comparing lockdown to slavery.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/410898416

Fucking hell nags, those people are really very mad indeed.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: alan nagsworth on April 24, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
AGNB has an excellent knack of finding the best (read: worst) subjects to talk to, plus his blankly delivered line of questioning that ekes out the most bonkers qualities of his interviewees is somewhere between Louis Theroux and Nathan Fielder. Ordinarily his videos at porn star conventions and juggalo gatherings are out-and-out hilarious but in this protest video it's just really disturbing.

'Are you scared to die?'
'No more scared than I am for anything else.'

The wrapped-up microphone is a very amusing touch.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 24, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
I wonder if a proportion of the UK population will start acting like this in the next ten years.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Replies From View on April 24, 2020, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: Head Gardener on April 21, 2020, 01:59:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWAd1QCXYAEdGv-.jpg)

Dracula lays down his ultimatum.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 26, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
Houston City Council member disobeying stay at home order compares his actions to those of Rosa Parks: https://mobile.twitter.com/jen_rice_/status/1253900083868958720
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on April 26, 2020, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 26, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
Houston City Council member disobeying stay at home order compares his actions to those of Rosa Parks: https://mobile.twitter.com/jen_rice_/status/1253900083868958720

As mentioned in some of the replies; there has been numerous other references to this being a version of Rosa Parks.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 26, 2020, 04:16:49 PM
You can read more about the restaurant reopening here: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Harris-County-backs-down-as-Hedwig-Village-15225164.php

These people will have to take their masks off to eat inside.Unless Trump has now advised that restaurants can open if the food is administered via an enema or something.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on April 26, 2020, 04:23:41 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on April 24, 2020, 11:46:47 AM
This, basically. Everything in America is amplified/exaggerated. I mean, I love the place and the people but would often find that group conversations were just people taking turns to shout whatever was on their mind into the air.

I don't know if the people are really more exaggerated. I think it has more to do with the fact that there are no meaningful tabloids in the U.S. like in the U.K., so all of the mass media gets folded together and bullshit astro-turf protests like these are instead amplified by the "real" news.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 28, 2020, 11:28:55 AM
Texas now following Georgia and announcing a lifting of the stay at home order.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/governor-abbott-to-address-reopening-of-texas-economy-monday/2358748/

QuoteDuring a news conference in Austin Monday afternoon, Abbott said restaurants, malls, retail stores and movie theaters can reopen on May 1 but will be limited to 25% of their capacity. Museums and libraries are included, but interactive stations and exhibits must remain closed. Within malls, the governor said all food courts, play areas and interactive displays also must remain closed.

How well will the 25% limit be enforced? This seems like a very bad idea and is probably being done to reduce the amount of money the state has to pay for unemployment benefits, which is disgusting.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: peanutbutter on April 28, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
Has it even properly reached Georgia and Texas yet?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on April 29, 2020, 12:32:25 AM
Absolute riot
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on April 29, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: peanutbutter on April 28, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
Has it even properly reached Georgia and Texas yet?

Texas has got off lightly so far, particularly outside the big cities, though Atlanta, Georgia is fucked. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/apr/27/coronavirus-map-of-the-us-latest-cases-state-by-state) I suspect western/rural Texas will be fairly safe because it's so big and empty (and hot if that matters which seems uncertain at the mo), and even "urban" Texas has a low population density outside the malls. In the US CoV is concentrated in the northeast, midwest, southern Florida, and Southern California, all the most populous places.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 30, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
More lives being put at risk in Georgia:

QuoteUnder a new executive order given by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp, teenagers within the Peach State will no longer need to pass a formal driving test in order to secure a driver's license. Instead they'll just have to get the 'A-okay' from their parents.

Like roughly 80 percent of news these days, this development is related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

All other driving requirements will still have to be met by young Georgians, but the final road test conducted by an instructor (who sweats like crazy, cranks up the A/C, and points all the fans at himself...at least when I took it) will be chopped...

https://www.complex.com/life/2020/04/georgia-drops-driving-test-requirement-for-license-due-to-pandemic

Not sure the article needed that line about the writer's experience of a driving test.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on April 30, 2020, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 30, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
More lives being put at risk in Georgia:

https://www.complex.com/life/2020/04/georgia-drops-driving-test-requirement-for-license-due-to-pandemic

Not sure the article needed that line about the writer's experience of a driving test.

If you are a driver that makes your instructor sweat so much; I don't think that is a great reflection on how safe your driving is. Probably just passed him so that they wouldn't have to risk getting back in the car with them again.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Moribunderast on May 01, 2020, 01:51:17 AM
About a month ago I was saying to a friend I reckon America will be on fire in three months. Even I thought I was being a bit hyperbolic but then today I see this footage of armed "protestors" trying to storm a government building and I wonder. Apparently Michigan has open-carry laws so it is okay to walk into a building with a rifle while wearing army fatigues. Article here. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/michigan-protests-coronavirus-lockdown-armed-capitol)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 01, 2020, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: Moribunderast on May 01, 2020, 01:51:17 AM
About a month ago I was saying to a friend I reckon America will be on fire in three months. Even I thought I was being a bit hyperbolic but then today I see this footage of armed "protestors" trying to storm a government building and I wonder. Apparently Michigan has open-carry laws so it is okay to walk into a building with a rifle while wearing army fatigues. Article here. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/michigan-protests-coronavirus-lockdown-armed-capitol)

Things are really getting out of hand there. I wonder how these "freedom fighters" would feel if one of their govt HQs was being stormed by a group of Muslims or black men armed to the teeth?

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/30/22/27860720-8275171-A_militia_group_with_no_political_affiliation_stands_in_front_of-a-115_1588283688687.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 01, 2020, 09:25:36 AM
(https://scontent.fsyd8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95236513_2646757115603453_7045890949985075200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=iOly22o-Pc0AX9KZLi7&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd8-1.fna&oh=f68bb348a635fe31ec8cfd3b8843004e&oe=5ED0F80A)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 01, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 01, 2020, 09:09:49 AM
Things are really getting out of hand there. I wonder how these "freedom fighters" would feel if one of their govt HQs was being stormed by a group of Muslims or black men armed to the teeth?

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/30/22/27860720-8275171-A_militia_group_with_no_political_affiliation_stands_in_front_of-a-115_1588283688687.jpg)
what a bunch of stupid pussies
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on May 01, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
It's funny how they are against taking measures against the virus but are adopting the face masks as if we don't all know that it's just to cover their weak chins
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 01, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
This new Counter-Strike looks fucking shit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Jasha on May 01, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Full Bickle there

(https://i.ibb.co/bBt0PTN/27860720-8275171-A-militia-group-with-no-political-affiliation-stands-in-front-of-a-115-1588283688687-2.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 01, 2020, 03:30:10 PM
They're going to shoot the 'vid if they see it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 01, 2020, 09:06:03 PM
partially reopening in 10 days, can only hope georgia or texas (rather morbidly) has a massive spike so they'll chicken out. can't see anything else doing it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 01, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
Or they all die, including my best mate.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 01, 2020, 09:09:14 PM
axe time
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 01, 2020, 10:08:33 PM
(http://gamespot1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/171/1712892/3597182-screen%20shot%202019-10-28%20at%2011.58.22%20am.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on May 01, 2020, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on May 01, 2020, 09:06:03 PM
partially reopening in 10 days, can only hope georgia or texas (rather morbidly) has a massive spike so they'll chicken out. can't see anything else doing it.

Friends in Atlanta say that most people in the city are ignoring the reopening order, thankfully.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Absorb the anus burn on May 01, 2020, 11:06:36 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on May 01, 2020, 03:30:10 PM
They're going to shoot the 'vid if they see it.

Or a nurse...

Or a doctor...

Or a libtard...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 02, 2020, 01:12:10 PM
Performative rebellion. What does it cost these people to be seen to be "standing up to tyranny"? Nothing. What does it accomplish? Nothing. But they get to look like the idea of the True Patriots they've had drilled into their heads, except without the intellectual rigour or actual sacrifice. If the government say in, they say out. Up they say down, left they say right. Petulant teenagers with guns.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on May 02, 2020, 01:19:00 PM
Not a fan of the police but "just pull up your t-shirt up over your face" is a commendable make-do attitude
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Brundle-Fly on May 02, 2020, 02:31:44 PM
Alex Jones will eat your ass.
https://www.cracked.com/article_27637_alex-jones-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-month.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 02, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
Trump's 60-70k deathstimate is looking quite a way out. At this rate they'll be at 80,000 deaths by this time next week. He has showed off the fact they have fewer deaths per million that a handful of European countries but they are closing in on that. 4 US states are already as bad as Belgium (or worse - New York State is 3 times as bad as the next country or state of 10 million+ people) and the way the virus is spreading across larger landmasses like North America, Mexico, Russia suggests it's going to be a longer term issue for them.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 02, 2020, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 02, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
Trump's 60-70k deathstimate is looking quite a way out. At this rate they'll be at 80,000 deaths by this time next week. He has showed off the fact they have fewer deaths per million that a handful of European countries but they are closing in on that. 4 US states are already as bad as Belgium (or worse - New York State is 3 times as bad as the next country or state of 10 million+ people) and the way the virus is spreading across larger landmasses like North America, Mexico, Russia suggests it's going to be a longer term issue for them.

Yeah but because pandemics are inherently tied to urban centers, he will successfully convince all the rubes that the death toll is the product of libtard Democratic mayors. Sort of like how homelessness and earthquakes in California are the result of the (temporarily) Democratic governor.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 02, 2020, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 02, 2020, 04:29:28 PM
Yeah but because pandemics are inherently tied to urban centers, he will successfully convince all the rubes that the death toll is the product of libtard Democratic mayors. Sort of like how homelessness and earthquakes in California are the result of the (temporarily) Democratic governor.

On the other hand those are the areas that may return to normal more quickly, which might have an effect come November. Or at least if Joe Biden wasn't running. Joe Biden is running isn't he? Fuck.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 02, 2020, 04:59:00 PM
What is the chance that this will cunt USA for good? Could really do with a lot of them ended to fuck from this and they simmer the eff back down to the third world, got damn tiers monde tier eating a bowl of dogshit erry day. Statistically any chance? I'm livin for this.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on May 02, 2020, 05:49:17 PM
Fucking hope not, I'm not learning Chinese.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 02, 2020, 08:01:34 PM
can't see any situation in which the USA doesn't emerge as even a shadow of its former self.

the economy is already turbo fucked no matter what happens so it's China on a global level  from here on out lads.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: phantom_power on May 02, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: Head Gardener on May 01, 2020, 10:08:33 PM
(http://gamespot1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/171/1712892/3597182-screen%20shot%202019-10-28%20at%2011.58.22%20am.png)

I didn't think there was going to be a season 2 of Watchmen

That open carry stuff is ridiculous because presumably murder is still illegal in those states so it isn't like they are going to use those guns
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 03, 2020, 11:19:28 AM
Texas has had over 1,000 extra coronavirus cases a day between Thursday and Saturday. And even that doen't stop these people acting like there isn't a pandemic: https://twitter.com/putnamfortexas/status/1256608808945754112

The person who tweeted this is running for office in Texas
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DistressedArea on May 03, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 03, 2020, 11:34:48 AM
nice to see them weighing in for pro-choice over pro-life for once
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: batwings on May 03, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
They look like the free skins you get for buying a Division expansion.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 03, 2020, 12:45:57 PM
Laughed
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 03, 2020, 01:29:25 PM
Quote from: batwings on May 03, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
They look like the free skins you get for buying a Division expansion.

I've had the urge to reinstall that the last few days. I thought pandemic-ravaged NYC was unsettling at the time, I'm sure it'll only be weirder now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: brat-sampson on May 03, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
Bunch of fucking galaxy brains (https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1256421369472057350) over there. Hard to breathe through the mask? Here's a solution...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: TrenterPercenter on May 03, 2020, 06:26:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkBseVTUow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkBseVTUow)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 05, 2020, 09:47:40 AM
In San Antionio, Texas, a city of 1.53 million people, nearly 3,000 people went to the cinema over the weekend. That sounds like a lot even before the coronavirus.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/san-antonio-theater-owners-lowered-tickets-to-5-41-and-thousands-of-texas-went-to-the-movies-report

I wonder how many wore masks, and, of those who did, how many kept them on throughout the film.

Meanwhile, the Treasury Secretary appears to have encouraged people to go on "road trips": https://www.salon.com/2020/05/04/steven-mnuchin-claims-its-a-great-time-for-people-to-explore-america-as-cdc-warns-against-travel/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: buzby on May 05, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
Didn't know whether to put this in here or the 'Worst Responses' thread:
Quote
Three family members charged in shooting death of security guard who told a customer to put on a face mask
Familty Dollar security guard Calvin Munerlyn, 43 and a father of nine, was shot in the back of the head in an altercation with three members of a family after requesting that their daughter put on a state-mandated face mask before entering the store in Flint, Michigan.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 05, 2020, 09:57:31 AM
There's also been a report of someone wearing a KKK mask to go shopping: https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/495974-photos-show-man-wearing-kkk-hood-while-shopping-in-san
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 05, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on May 02, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
That open carry stuff is ridiculous because presumably murder is still illegal in those states so it isn't like they are going to use those guns

They are for hunting deer! Although it's not deer season so they should be arrested. Hunting squirrels?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Thomas on May 05, 2020, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on May 05, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
They are for hunting deer! Although it's not deer season so they should be arrested. Hunting squirrels?

When I see a group of twenty burly American men with rapid fire rifles1 in a city centre, I can only presume that they're out legitimately searching for an entire herd of deer to destroy in a matter of seconds. There won't be anything left to eat, no, but hunting isn't about sissy things like nutrition and sustenance.

[1] Don't know the terminology - soz GUN NUTS
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 05, 2020, 11:17:58 AM
Bye America

You've been fucking shit
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 05, 2020, 05:41:40 PM
2 weeks til the first riots i reckon. had a fistfight between a landlord and his tenants on our street this week. it's only gonna get worse.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 05, 2020, 09:07:19 PM
Trump's in Arizona for a campaign event, surprised he has time to do that with tens of thousands dead from a virus. The coronavirus taskforce may be disbanded, despite the issue nowhere near being solved.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 05, 2020, 10:39:10 PM
It's a state issue now like slavery.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 05, 2020, 10:40:37 PM
I NEED A FUCKIN HAIRCUT GODDAMNIT
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 06, 2020, 05:44:43 PM
Georgia now seeing a growing outbreak 5 days after opening up: https://www.wabe.org/kemp-warns-of-growing-outbreak-stressing-northeast-georgia/

In Texas, hairdressers and gyms will open this month: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-governor-greg-abbott-hair-salons-gyms-reopen-may-coronavirus/

Kemp and Abbott should resign. Businesses such as gyms, hairdressers and tattoo parlours should not open for months and even then they will need social distancing and PPE.

These examples should show the UK what happens if the lockdown is lifted early and if it is lifted in the wrong order.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Joy Nktonga on May 06, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 06, 2020, 05:44:43 PM
These examples should show the UK what happens if the lockdown is lifted early

Now what chance of convincing Bojo the Bozo and his cronies of this by Sunday lunchtime?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: momatt on May 07, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 06, 2020, 05:44:43 PM
These examples should show the UK what happens if the lockdown is lifted early and if it is lifted in the wrong order.

Oh FFS, I hope they're paying attention.  But I reckon their love of money will be stronger than any feelings of compassion or logic.
Fuck that I'm staying in for the rest of the year, I'm happy staying inside and watching the world burn.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: alan nagsworth on May 07, 2020, 10:52:40 AM
I'm not sure if it was intentional but I can't see this thread title without thinking of the song "Sextown U.S.A." by Sparks and getting it stuck in my head for hours.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 07, 2020, 10:57:42 AM
Never heard of it but I will check it out so I can also sing along.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 07, 2020, 10:59:06 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-employees-shot-in-oklahoma-city-over-covid-19-closure-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Madness.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Thomas on May 07, 2020, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on May 07, 2020, 10:59:06 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-employees-shot-in-oklahoma-city-over-covid-19-closure-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Madness.

For every theoretical argument about the hypothetical 'good guy with a gun', I see dozens of real-life stories about innocent people being shot for stupid reasons.

Since shootings are an intrinsic part of US culture, there might have been enough incidents now to warrant a depressing 'Shootings in the time of COVID' thread.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 09, 2020, 06:54:52 PM
2,909 people died from covid across the US on May 2nd. Doesn't seem to have stopped states reopening.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 09, 2020, 06:57:18 PM
Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on May 07, 2020, 10:59:06 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-employees-shot-in-oklahoma-city-over-covid-19-closure-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Madness.

Quote"In 30 years of studying retail and crisis situations, we have never seen a situation of customers being so rude to hourly employees,"

That is TOP TRUMPS DESOLATION there
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 10, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
Do Trump's actions put people in the UK at risk by making our government's response look less bad by comparison?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 10, 2020, 12:53:46 PM
(https://i.redd.it/8bbpttsmmmx41.png)

in the same town as the guy who wore a KKK mask last week
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/man-with-swastika-on-face-covering-spotted-in-santee-grocery-store/2321734/ (https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/man-with-swastika-on-face-covering-spotted-in-santee-grocery-store/2321734/)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 10, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
Fuckwittery in Naples, FL:

https://www.winknews.com/2020/05/09/city-of-naples-will-close-beaches-at-midnight-emergency-meeting-monday/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 10, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
"So great my LA golf course has opened up again"

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1259449226465083394
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 13, 2020, 10:54:42 AM
Trump supporters https://youtu.be/NzDhm808oU4 (https://youtu.be/NzDhm808oU4)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 14, 2020, 09:34:27 AM
Quote...The supreme court of the US state Wisconsin has overturned a coronavirus stay-at-home order issued by the state's democratic governor - with one justice comparing the restrictions to a "prison regime".

Governor Tony Evers had extended the order to May 26, but in a 4 - 3 ruling the state's top court reversed the extension, siding with Republican state politicians.

"This comprehensive claim to control virtually every aspect of a person's life is something we normally associate with a prison, not a free society governed by the rule of law," Justice Daniel Kelly, who is on the court's conservative wing, wrote.

Evers warned that the court's decision risked undoing "all the work we have done and all the sacrifices Wisconsinites have made over these past few months"...

Wisconsin will now completely open up from 20th May. There have been 10,902 cases of coronavirus in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 14, 2020, 11:23:16 AM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/ecf7b53fcb299f98c465cb16be4c10e7/bb83825145d22e98-98/s500x750/fd68f6c0000368ea7f7000510f1709c04bba49e9.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 14, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 14, 2020, 09:34:27 AM
Wisconsin will now completely open up from 20th May. There have been 10,902 cases of coronavirus in Wisconsin.

Where will America get its supplies of terrible beer and cheese goods if all the Wisconsinites stay home or die?

Meanwhile Trump is questioning (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/trump-fauci-coronavirus-deaths/index.html) whether Coronavirus death figures are being exaggerated, and Trump and Fox News are turning on Fauci. And 47% of Republican voters (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/05/12/rel5b.-.economy.and.reopening.pdf) say they would not get vaccinated against COVID if a vaccine existed.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on May 14, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on May 14, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
nd 47% of Republican voters (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/05/12/rel5b.-.economy.and.reopening.pdf) say they would not get vaccinated against COVID if a vaccine existed.

At last, some good news.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 15, 2020, 01:33:10 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/15/01/28411496-8321757-image-a-25_1589503934167.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on May 15, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 15, 2020, 01:33:10 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/15/01/28411496-8321757-image-a-25_1589503934167.jpg)


Nice to see some people are willing to give up their unnecessary ammo in these times. And nice and considerate of the gentleman to wear a mask despite having a drink in his plastic cup; that he had to put down to lay out the flag.
Also; hope to see a photograph where someone is taking a photo of the person that is taking a photo of the woman taking a photo.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 15, 2020, 02:17:41 PM
elon musk and grimes have let themselves go
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 15, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RtmF9Gn.jpg)

updated casino table in Florida
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 15, 2020, 08:11:36 PM
Expect a spike in Wisconsin in a couple of weeks: https://twitter.com/nicksonsec/status/1260746591918608386

Meanwhile Trump's been in Pennsylvania. This line of people cheering him doesn't seem to be socially distancing.: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261373283536175104


Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 15, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
Genuinely great that although this will result in a certain number of death among people trying to do the right thing, it'll result in a lot more deaths from these chode Rodleys.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 16, 2020, 07:18:18 PM
QuoteEarlier this week, the Supreme Court of Wisconsin overturned Gov. Tony Evers' order for state residents to stay at home to contain the coronavirus.

During the course of arguments, Chief Justice Patience Roggensack was commenting on a spike in COVID-19 cases at a meatpacking plant when she observed, "These were due to the meatpacking, though. That's where Brown County got the flare.

"It wasn't just the regular folks in Brown County."That regular folks remark has reverberated across the country, with critics seeing it as a class-based "othering" — a case of a privileged person looking down at members of the working class.

"There are regular people and there are these others," said Sherry Linkon, a scholar of working-class studies at Georgetown University. "There's no question it's classism — not recognizing other human beings as the same way 'we' are...

https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-meatpacking-wisconsin-supreme-court-working-class-racism--20200516.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 16, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
more like Patience Rottensack amirite
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 19, 2020, 03:28:40 AM
Check this out from the Washington Post.

The first day at a shopping mall after Georgia reopened.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/z6gf9n7ltvbe7m4/A_Georgia_shopping_center_tries_to_come_back_to_life_after_coronavirus_lockdown_-_The_Washington_Post.pdf/file

It almost makes you wish that it disproportionately killed people holding a cocktail - until you realise that it actually will! Hahaha! As well as the terrified staff who are forced back to work! Hahaha!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on May 19, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
I hate all the Queen Pelosi snaps back shit but it is very funny that she called Trump 'morbidly obese' on TV
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: SpiderChrist on May 19, 2020, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 19, 2020, 03:28:40 AM
Check this out from the Washington Post.

The first day at a shopping mall after Georgia reopened.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/z6gf9n7ltvbe7m4/A_Georgia_shopping_center_tries_to_come_back_to_life_after_coronavirus_lockdown_-_The_Washington_Post.pdf/file

It almost makes you wish that it disproportionately killed people holding a cocktail - until you realise that it actually will! Hahaha! As well as the terrified staff who are forced back to work! Hahaha!

"In this grand gamble, Georgia has gone first, with Gov. Brian Kemp (R) dismissing public health experts who've warned that opening too soon could cause a catastrophic surge of deaths, placing his faith instead in the citizens of Georgia to make up their own minds about what risks and sacrifices they were  willing to accept."

Something about this approach feels very familiar
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 19, 2020, 10:31:25 AM
Quote from: Jerzy Bondov on May 19, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
I hate all the Queen Pelosi snaps back shit but it is very funny that she called Trump 'morbidly obese' on TV
Although disappointingly the Guardian reported (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/19/nancy-pelosi-fears-for-morbidly-obese-trump-after-hydroxychloroquine-admission) that Trump is only regularly obese not morbidly obese which is bigger.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 19, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
 in Texas, "bars as well as bowling alleys, bingo halls, skating rinks, rodeo/equestrian events, zoos, aquariums and natural caverns" can open from Friday.

25% capacity for bars, restaurants can go up to 50% capacity from Friday

Massage parlours opened today.

https://twitter.com/HoustonChron/status/1262463602193305602
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 19, 2020, 12:57:37 PM
T.J. MCCUNTDOWN'S OPEN FOR BIDNESS YALL
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 19, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 19, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
in Texas "...natural caverns" can open from Friday.

I was going to mock this but fucking hell! (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2018/06/05/10-coolest-caves-in-the-central-texas-area) Although I've heard stories that some so-called natural caverns in other places were helped along a bit by blokes with pick-axes and dynamite.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Schrodingers Cat on May 19, 2020, 05:24:28 PM
"Excuse me madam, but is your natural cavern open for business?"
"You must wear a face mask and only two can enter at any one time"

AND SO ON...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 19, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
YEE HAW GONNA GET DOWN THE RODEO AND GET A RESPIRATORY CONDITION
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Birdie on May 20, 2020, 01:25:09 AM
I see Trump is dosing up on hydroxychloroquine in a bid to keep COVID at bay.

Apparently:
According to doctors, the drug has the potential to cause symptoms including heart failure, suicidal thoughts and signs of liver disease.

Every cloud, etc....
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: rack and peanut on May 20, 2020, 01:29:59 AM
Liver disease? I hope he's jaundiced to fuck and back and no one can tell
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on May 20, 2020, 01:34:54 AM
in the last episode of Thrillbilly Workers Party they were saying that living in the US right now makes them feel like they are held hostage.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 20, 2020, 01:38:38 AM
Quote from: chveik on May 20, 2020, 01:34:54 AM
in the last episode of Thrillbilly Workers Party they were saying that living in the US right now makes them feel like they are held hostage.

didn't know anyone else on here was a fan!

as someone who lives within about 100 miles of them, can absolutely confirm that feeling.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on May 20, 2020, 01:49:19 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on May 20, 2020, 01:38:38 AM
didn't know anyone else on here was a fan!

as someone who lives within about 100 miles of them, can absolutely confirm that feeling.

yeah it's great. I think someone here (possibly you) recommended it in the podcast thread.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on May 20, 2020, 03:43:00 AM
Just having a normal one, going online to find an appropriate picture to print for my sign (also how do I make these smaller)
(https://i.imgur.com/wF5fw0l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mKuMqR9.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 20, 2020, 03:52:07 AM
Hot person at a wacko protest with an offensive sign? Always an alarming sight. I'm going to guess anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Psmith on May 20, 2020, 06:08:21 AM
I don't think he is taking the stuff but he's bought shares in the company that make it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 20, 2020, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 20, 2020, 03:52:07 AM
Hot person at a wacko protest with an offensive sign? Always an alarming sight. I'm going to guess anti-vaxxer.
The woman in the denim jacket has a bandana round her neck. I call secret mask wearer. She's probably a libtard agent provocateur.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on May 20, 2020, 11:29:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYe6WVzWAAoMa4J?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 20, 2020, 11:49:46 PM
i prefer coke
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: daf on May 21, 2020, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on May 20, 2020, 03:43:00 AM
(also how do I make these smaller)

Click on 'modify' and replace the img in the first square brackets in your image address with img height= and whichever number looks right to you.

e.g. - Here's your two images with img height=400 :

(https://i.imgur.com/wF5fw0l.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/mKuMqR9.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 21, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
TOTAL FUCKDOWN
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 21, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
A few days away from 100,000 deaths in the US. Still less per million population than the UK but will be quite a headline bad-press figure for Trump to deal with when he said it would end up at 80,000.

The state figures for New York and New Jersey are still pretty eye-opening when placed next to any other sizeable country or state.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: phantom_power on May 22, 2020, 08:53:33 AM
It is odd seeing how much America is fucking this up and they still only have 200-odd deaths per million whereas the UK are into the 500s. This should put into perspective how much we have shit the bed on this one. I know population density etc. but still
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: brat-sampson on May 22, 2020, 09:16:03 AM
Also their active cases are still only rising as the thing sweeps through the country and new outbreaks pop up everywhere. Not sure they understand that just because one city/state has the situation under control and can think about easing restrictions, that doesn't just mean it can be a free-for-all.

I mean, more likely the GOP just don't give two shits, but hey.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 22, 2020, 09:22:27 AM
My mate was evacuated from China where his wife's parents both died back to New Jersey where his uncle has died. Can't help but feel like the FBI just need to take this fuckin ultra spreader cunt out.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 22, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: Dewt on May 20, 2020, 11:29:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYe6WVzWAAoMa4J?format=jpg&name=large)

take the Covid 19 challenge
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 22, 2020, 09:41:14 AM
this guy does have a point - https://youtu.be/GLcNStHTDjM (https://youtu.be/GLcNStHTDjM)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: rue the polywhirl on May 22, 2020, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: Head Gardener on May 22, 2020, 09:41:14 AM
this guy does have a point - https://youtu.be/GLcNStHTDjM (https://youtu.be/GLcNStHTDjM)

Asides from the fact that his ranting probably spreads rivers of covid, this guy is sorted no matter what happens because he can always get work as a garden sprinkler.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on May 22, 2020, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: daf on May 21, 2020, 12:31:12 PM
Click on 'modify' and replace the img in the first square brackets in your image address with img height= and whichever number looks right to you.

e.g. - Here's your two images with img height=400 :

(https://i.imgur.com/wF5fw0l.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/mKuMqR9.jpg)

I usually do width=600 which also works.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 22, 2020, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 22, 2020, 04:46:34 PM
I usually do width=600 which also works.

I like width=600.

Width=650 or even width=700 is good too. Width=750 we're into AIDS-tier.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on May 22, 2020, 05:12:50 PM
You can also click/tap the shrunken images to see them full size.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ollyboro on May 22, 2020, 08:03:10 PM
Gun sales in America have gone through the roof since this all kicked off. Frightened fuckers fearing other cunts breaking into their homes and stealing their food and shithouse paper. A bloke looking like an emaciated Des Lynam has just told Channel 4 News that you have got more chance of being struck by lightning than being shot in America. Fucking idiot. Without doing any research whatsoever I would suggest this cunt is the most ill- informed cunt in history. Not including Trump, obviously.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 22, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
Quote. A bloke looking like an emaciated Des Lynam has just told Channel 4 News that you have got more chance of being struck by lightning than being shot in America. Fucking idiot.

The odds of becoming a lightning strike victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000.

The rate of firearm death (yes, not just injury but death) from gunshot increased to 12 in 100,000 in 2017.

So the odds of dying from a gunshot wound in any given year in the US in 2017 was 96 per 700,000.

So the guy is talking out of his little sweet ass heinie
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 22, 2020, 08:20:12 PM
My odds of being stuck by lightning are 0 in 700,000 because I walk indoors when it's about to storm.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 22, 2020, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 22, 2020, 08:20:12 PM
My odds of being stuck by lightning are 0 in 700,000 because I walk indoors when it's about to storm.

Walk? More than 0 at that pace mate.

I want to see shit stains and dust
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ollyboro on May 22, 2020, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 22, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
The odds of becoming a lightning strike victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000.

The rate of firearm death (yes, not just injury but death) from gunshot increased to 12 in 100,000 in 2017.

So the odds of dying from a gunshot wound in any given year in the US in 2017 was 96 per 700,000.

So the guy is talking out of his little sweet ass heinie

Good work. Surprised the Channel 4 journalist didn't tell him to fuck off. Or at least burst out laughing. Des was probably armed.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Crumb on May 23, 2020, 02:28:30 AM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 22, 2020, 08:20:12 PM
My odds of being stuck by lightning are 0 in 700,000 because I walk indoors when it's about to storm.

But what if you get shot in the legs as you walk indoors?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 23, 2020, 07:40:35 AM
Quote from: ollyboro on May 22, 2020, 08:03:10 PM
Gun sales in America have gone through the roof since this all kicked off. Frightened fuckers fearing other cunts breaking into their homes and stealing their food and shithouse paper. A bloke looking like an emaciated Des Lynam has just told Channel 4 News that you have got more chance of being struck by lightning than being shot in America. Fucking idiot. Without doing any research whatsoever I would suggest this cunt is the most ill- informed cunt in history. Not including Trump, obviously.

Do new gun owners have to be extensively trained before they buy one?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on May 23, 2020, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 23, 2020, 07:40:35 AM
Do new gun owners have to be extensively trained before they buy one?

You mean that system like the Nazis and Stalin required?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 23, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
mask wars (https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1263818537132531714)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 23, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
i am pretty sure I would have found that video just as revolting if you had shown it to me six months ago
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 23, 2020, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 23, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
i am pretty sure I would have found that video just as revolting if you had shown it to me six months ago

Coming to England this Summer!

Almost invariably middle-aged dumpling women
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 23, 2020, 12:19:28 PM
The people in the video will be 100% behind the right of private businesses to do what they want unless it even slightly inconveniences them.

Business bans unionising - they will defend them
Business requires people to wear a mask to enter during a pandemic that has killed almost 100,000 people - HOW DARE YOU I WILL COUGH ON PEOPLE AS A PROTEST AND PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK

Coughing or spitting at someone during a pandemic should be treated as  attempted murder.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 23, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 23, 2020, 12:19:28 PM
The people in the video will be 100% behind the right of private businesses to do what they want unless it even slightly inconveniences them.

Business bans unionising - they will defend them
Business requires people to wear a mask to enter during a pandemic that has killed almost 100,000 people - HOW DARE YOU I WILL COUGH ON PEOPLE AS A PROTEST AND PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK

Coughing or spitting at someone during a pandemic should be treated as  attempted murder.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 23, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
I mean, outside of a pandemic its a serious crime as well, but during a pandemic you could be putting someone's life at risk.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 23, 2020, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 23, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
I mean, outside of a pandemic its a serious crime as well, but during a pandemic you could be putting someone's life at risk.

I am, as you should be aware, in complete agreement with this - 2 years imprisonment would be an appropriate sentence. If the victim dies later, 10 - 15 years.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 23, 2020, 12:55:58 PM
Anyone spitting at anyone should be straight in the cells and have their wrists trod on until they crack.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 23, 2020, 01:32:32 PM
https://media.btp.police.uk/r/17222/jail_for_man_who_coughed_on_police_officers_after

Quote...A man who claimed he had coronavirus and deliberately coughed at two police officers has been jailed following a British Transport Police investigation.

Oreighn Joel Marcus Quintyne, aged 21, of St Thomas Road, Birmingham, pleaded guilty to criminal damage and two counts of assault when he appeared at Manchester and Salford Magistrates' Court on Monday, 11 May. He was jailed for 32 weeks and ordered to pay a victim surcharge of £156...

Just eight months for coughing and sneezing at people during a pandemic, if he had had coronavirus it could have killed them (Later down the press release it mentions he sneezed as well as coughed. He also did a dirty protest in his cell.

Clearly the UK courts aren't taking this seriously enough.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 23, 2020, 01:46:29 PM
Coppers will probley hit the guy's knees, ankles and wrists with metal bars until he's flopping around like a squid.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Captain Z on May 23, 2020, 03:57:58 PM
Hey, nature, got any good metaphors for the USA?

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D554/production/_112421645_floatingcorpseofeagle.jpg)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52779727

Nice one.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 23, 2020, 08:30:13 PM
Hahaha

How's it going eagle mate
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 23, 2020, 09:46:41 PM
One day your on top

Next day get fucked

Too bad
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: C_Larence on May 23, 2020, 10:55:22 PM
Philadelphia, and various PA counties are moving to the "yellow phase" of reopening on June 5th. It makes absolutely no sense to set a hard date like that, it should be based on rate of new cases (300+ a day in philly) and other data, not just by picking an arbitrary day to ignore the virus exists.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on May 23, 2020, 11:00:25 PM
Yellow because that's what colour the workers are going to turn after their lungs are sacrificed to the money gods
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 23, 2020, 11:01:54 PM
Mauve phase
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 23, 2020, 11:40:16 PM
YOU GIVE LOONS


A BAD NAME
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 24, 2020, 11:31:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AuVxMNV.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 24, 2020, 11:33:58 AM
Oooh im the king of death toll yeah

THE FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 24, 2020, 11:35:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iHSDjTo.jpg)

https://twitter.com/Sanjosemailman/status/1263932434107662337 (https://twitter.com/Sanjosemailman/status/1263932434107662337)

just noticed this is old news but probably still goes on
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on May 24, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: daf on May 21, 2020, 12:31:12 PM
Click on 'modify' and replace the img in the first square brackets in your image address with img height= and whichever number looks right to you.

e.g. - Here's your two images with img height=400 :


Thanks a ton!

Also, it turns out, promoting lunatic theories encourages lunatics (twitter video) (http://"https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1263937751872868353")
"The Bexar County GOP chair concludes this rally by stating that the coronavirus is a hoax perpetuated by Democrats, tells people to take off their masks, and then everyone hugs each other."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 24, 2020, 04:56:48 PM
A waterpark has opened in Texas in defiance of the Governor's orders. They will be limiting entry to 2,020 quests, because if the number is the same as the current year that makes it safer.

https://www.chron.com/local/article/Crowds-descend-upon-Texas-waterpark-on-Memorial-15291160.

Not sure how easy it is to social distance in a waterpark. Imagine going down a slide that dozens of others, some who will be asymptomatic carries of Covid, have touched. Lots of people spluttering out water as they swim. Someone will do a poo somewhere in the water.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on May 24, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
I had a door-to-door salesman come to my house on Saturday night. I think it might be the creepy pricks that scope out houses with kids toys in the front yard and then try to sell them educational aids that I've tangled with before. This time the fella had a younger sidekick who he was probably training. I was in the middle of cooking dinner, and, when he started off his prepared spiel, I cut him off with a curt 'Now is hardly the time', and closed the door. I was mostly talking about him interrupting my cooking, but also, you know, don't come to my door during a pandemic, especially if you're not wearing a mask.

Then, yesterday, at around lunchtime, another one of these pricks turns up at my door (same company, I guessed, due to him holding a similar looking binder). I open the door, with the previous night fresh in my mind, and cut him off saying, 'If you're going to ruin my Saturday, at least wear a mask for Christ's sake'. He slunk off.

Then, mid-afternoon, I get woken up from a nap by my dog barking like a maniac. I look out the front window, and there's a minivan with a gaggle of these arseholes milling around it. Then I see the guy from earlier in the day, and the more senior guy from the night before, walking up my driveway with bandanas on and no small amount of trepidation, like the most feckless pair of bandidos in the West. I stood at my front window, mouth agape in disbelief, until one of them spotted me and gave a half-hearted wave.

'FUCK OFF!' I yelled, with accompanying dismissive arm-waving gestures that you rarely see outside of cartoons. Again, they turned on their heels.

I can't quite articulate just how much the whole thing pissed me off. There's the practical element of disease control, obviously. But I think it ran deeper - I'm now quite comfortable in my isolation (my wife and child far less so, so I know it's not everybody's choice, by any means), but I know normal life and all of its needless stressful interactions will resume at some point, and I think these bastards just really brought that home.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uTCKWJHTQ5E/UX2usxtfn4I/AAAAAAAATV8/QWOWvCcXnQQ/s1600/i-love-the-smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning.jpg)

Some day this pandemic's gonna end.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: sirhenry on May 24, 2020, 09:11:11 PM
Older guy with a younger sidekick sounds more like Jehova's Witnesses; salesmen rarely have trainees with them in my experience. Also they tend to bus in and blitz an area (seem to remember there's some kind of obligation for them to get x converts before they get to wear their holy bibs or something similar) over a few days before moving on.

I quite enjoy talking theology with them, as do they up to the point that they realise that they're discussing gods in the plural...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on May 24, 2020, 09:17:41 PM
Quote from: sirhenry on May 24, 2020, 09:11:11 PM
Older guy with a younger sidekick sounds more like Jehova's Witnesses; salesmen rarely have trainees with them in my experience. Also they tend to bus in and blitz an area (seem to remember there's some kind of obligation for them to get x converts before they get to wear their holy bibs or something similar) over a few days before moving on.

I quite enjoy talking theology with them, as do they up to the point that they realise that they're discussing gods in the plural...

Don't they usually wear suits? And it was only once out of the three wonderful visits I enjoyed that they had buddied up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: sirhenry on May 24, 2020, 09:28:45 PM
Yes, they always wear cheap black suits. So not JW

So which company is telling its staff to go out and spread the virus (though not The Word, obviously)?

I'm slow - you're in the States, aren't you?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on May 24, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: sirhenry on May 24, 2020, 09:28:45 PM
Yes, they always wear cheap black suits. So not JW

So which company is telling its staff to go out and spread the virus (though not The Word, obviously)?

I'm slow - you're in the States, aren't you?

I am. Like I said, I had a feeling it was the educational aid folks, but that's purely going by the unctious spiel that the first guy was launching into, which reminded me of the guy who came to the door a couple of years back, but it's not like that company is going to have exclusivity over oleaginous sales techniques, so it's hardly compelling evidence. (And, come to think of it, he did spend ages talking to my neighbour, who doesn't have kids, so who the fuck knows?)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: McFlymo on May 25, 2020, 01:40:58 AM
They were gonna offer you and your family a one-time only, free cough in the face.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 25, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
(http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/imagegen/max/ccr/1023/-/s3/digital-cougar-assets/whichcar/2020/05/15/-1/26-Hour-Cannonball-Run-main-wide.jpg)

America's most illegal record has been obliterated (https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/the-cannonball-run-record-has-been-obliterated)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: daf on May 25, 2020, 11:50:52 AM
Quotethe drivers would have had to achieve an average speed of at least 173km/h

That means nothing to me * - might as well measure someone's height in millimetres!

(apparently, converted into old money, it works out as just over 107 miles an hour)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
*
Spoiler alert
Ohhhhhhhh, Viennetta!
[close]
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 25, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
Song named after Rigsby's cat.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 25, 2020, 12:45:46 PM
is the british version of the cannonball run islington to barnard castle
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 25, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
I'm not sure if Cameron Kirby is being ironic when he speaks of "pearl-clutching", but it was a very stupid thing to do to try and break this record, especially given that if there had been a crash the emergency rooms would have been already overwhelmed with Covid patients.

I do wonder if Which Car.au publicising this will encourage other people to do so as well.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 26, 2020, 05:23:31 PM
grim stats

(https://i.imgur.com/gjbdq5b.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 27, 2020, 01:14:31 PM
There's a typically brutal article by Eliot Weinberger in the latest London Review of Books. It's paywalled, but some highlights:

QuoteThe procurement and distribution of personal protection and other medical equipment was the domain not of federal emergency, public health or even military officials but of a team of young volunteers from venture capital firms led by the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. On the VIP list of those to be given 'communications priority' were Mar-a-Lago members, Fox News commentators and Republican donors. Kushner, an unsuccessful real estate developer, is also in charge of bringing peace to the Middle East, reforming the criminal justice system, overseeing the building of the Mexican border wall, diplomacy with China, the 2020 re-election campaign and the creation of an Office of American Innovation dedicated to entirely revamping the way the government works. His efforts at procurement have been disastrous, and there is a continuing nationwide shortage.

In the vast bureaucracy of the Department of Health and Human Services, the person in charge of overseeing the pandemic response in its many agencies was, before this, a breeder of Australian labradoodles.

Throughout his presidency, Trump has had a favourability rating of around 40 per cent. (He is the only president never to have gone above 50 per cent.) Now, despite the tens of thousands dead and the tens of millions unemployed, his favourability rating is still around 40 per cent. It was thought that after he recommended injecting bleach as a cure for the virus, many people would change their minds, but they didn't.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 27, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
What are the chances this leads to civil war in the US?

Anyone played The Division? 😂
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 27, 2020, 01:49:01 PM
DOWN WITH THE FUCKDOWN
DOWN WITH THE FUCKDOWN

ULTIMATE FUCKDOWN

BABY
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 27, 2020, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 27, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
What are the chances this leads to civil war in the US?

Anyone played The Division? 😂

not much really. there's no strong or coherent radical opposition to the status quo that could spark something like that.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 27, 2020, 03:27:33 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 27, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
What are the chances this leads to civil war in the US?

Anyone played The Division? 😂

Hah, I've been thinking about reinstalling The Division since all this kicked off. It really did capture the atmosphere of a post-post-pandemic NYC very well.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on May 27, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 27, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
What are the chances this leads to civil war in the US?

Anyone played The Division? 😂

I was reading live Twitter coverage of the unrest in Minneapolis last night, and  - when people started talking about armed militia members turning up in support of the protesters, I got a weird tingling sensation in my head when I realised this was the kind of unforeseen confluence of events that kicks off major social upheavals. Kind of wish I wasn't living in the US at the moment. It all seems a bit febrile.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 27, 2020, 07:24:55 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 27, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
What are the chances this leads to civil war in the US?

Since the assholes are on Trump's side, the only thing that might cause a civil war is a massive Democrat victory in November, and even then the libs would be too polite to kick Trump out.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 27, 2020, 07:33:53 PM
Let's get tooled up and take the WH.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 27, 2020, 07:52:16 PM
Real news network on Minneapolis murder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEht6_GhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEht6_GhU)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 28, 2020, 07:39:10 AM
If there were a civil war, just realised the right wing gun nuts would annihilate everyone. I guess that's why it not happened yet.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on May 28, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 28, 2020, 07:39:10 AM
If there were a civil war, just realised the right wing gun nuts would annihilate everyone.

Sure, but only because they've been given leftover equipment from the Iraw War including assault vehicles.

OH YOU MEAN NOT THE POLICE
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: Abnormal Palm on May 28, 2020, 07:39:10 AM
If there were a civil war, just realised the right wing gun nuts would annihilate everyone. I guess that's why it not happened yet.
Right wing gun nuts and the police etc would annihilate everyone.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 29, 2020, 12:41:28 AM
the FREEDOM FUCK YEAH lot always seem to show the police state boot stamping on a face forever as something invincible that needs to be avoided politically. but still they gotta have their private arsenal oh fuck yeah baby
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
The War Nerd talks about how most gun owners/militias wouldn't be able to stand up to the police force/military etc. But then I think when has the US won an urban war or really any war?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Crumb on May 29, 2020, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
The War Nerd talks about how most gun owners/militias wouldn't be able to stand up to the police force/military etc. But then I think when has the US won an urban war or really any war?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Love that even in a simulated war with Iran, the USA got its arse kicked and then got salty about it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on May 29, 2020, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
The War Nerd talks about how most gun owners/militias wouldn't be able to stand up to the police force/military etc. But then I think when has the US won an urban war or really any war?

On its own? The Philippines?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 29, 2020, 01:37:52 AM
On its own? The Philippines?
Yes probably way back then.

Maybe the police are better than the military when it comes to urban warfare etc.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 29, 2020, 02:30:43 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
The War Nerd talks about how most gun owners/militias wouldn't be able to stand up to the police force/military etc. But then I think when has the US won an urban war or really any war?

The United States government has not been particularly concerned about winning any of the "wars" it has participated in since World War II, because those were all elaborate shams to generate trillions of dollars for the military-industrial complex and/or to cause destabilized hellscapes in various countries. Drawn-out chaos was a feature not a bug.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 29, 2020, 02:59:06 AM
Quote from: The Crumb on May 29, 2020, 01:09:55 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Love that even in a simulated war with Iran, the USA got its arse kicked and then got salty about it.

the War Nerd episode about that is absolutely incredible, would recommend
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on May 30, 2020, 03:44:52 AM
Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards podcast wrote a piece about the rather strange, convoluted and mercurial nature of extremely online militas (aka Boog Bois, which is all a bit Devo, really).

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/?fbclid=IwAR3CbddPGI01c-nj1sRp-u5lVFzP8kIDpqJQHU5hHKnFERHFbJ3dfKlHCiU

Quite easy to get swept along by their rhetoric and feel a bit scared, but then - as was demonstrated in Minneapolis - when the shit goes down IRL, they stand guard outside vape shops and kid onto themselves that they're doing something. although it's quite hard to quantify what that something is, particularly in relation to their ideologies.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 30, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wTfNOI5.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 30, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
oh america. You can be such a big silly sausage at times
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 30, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Expect a further rise in cases in Texas: https://twitter.com/BudKennedy/status/1266380469664432128

Not a single mask I can see.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Bumlord on May 30, 2020, 06:31:12 PM
I can see one (1) mask.

This is fun.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 30, 2020, 06:33:17 PM
Ah yes, just spotted the bloke with the mask.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 30, 2020, 06:45:24 PM
Fuck em.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on May 30, 2020, 07:09:55 PM
weird, the Klan are usually sticklers for the mask policy
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 30, 2020, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: The Crumb on May 29, 2020, 01:09:55 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Love that even in a simulated war with Iran, the USA got its arse kicked and then got salty about it.

Absolutely fantastic
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on May 31, 2020, 01:21:10 AM
DOWN WITH THE FUCKDOWN

COVID INFECTED MY RESPIRATORY 
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on May 31, 2020, 07:49:03 AM
Batman (https://youtu.be/XbFnnqpmtCE) will save them
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DistressedArea on May 31, 2020, 08:11:15 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on May 29, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
The War Nerd talks about how most gun owners/militias wouldn't be able to stand up to the police force/military etc. But then I think when has the US won an urban war or really any war?

Link please thank you?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 31, 2020, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: DistressedArea on May 31, 2020, 08:11:15 AM
Link please thank you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHo7Rko-fQ
Chapo Trap House feat. War Nerd



Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DistressedArea on May 31, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
Thank you please.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on June 01, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
(https://k62.kn3.net/taringa/3/1/6/9/1/1/Kristianvrs/550x692_4D6.jpg)

This Is America (https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 01, 2020, 04:33:59 PM
2 million doses of hydroxychloroquine have been sent to Brazil according to the White House: https://twitter.com/learyreports/status/1267180902808985602

I wonder how many people in Brazil that hydroxychloroquine will kill. Brazil's president is pretty similar to Trump as I understand it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on June 01, 2020, 05:05:28 PM
Trumpinho.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on June 03, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nRukqIO.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on June 03, 2020, 12:41:08 PM
these Obama/Trump comparisons are horribly tedious
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on June 03, 2020, 01:01:06 PM
Trump looks very Garrison in that pic. Maybe our Ben is just working from low-res video screen caps?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on June 03, 2020, 02:46:23 PM
If Corbyn had dressed as Obama did on a major march you would never have heard the end of it (until he head to unfortunately step down of course).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on June 03, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
didn't stop Obama from crushing the Ferguson protests and extra-judicially executing the organizers did it
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 03, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
Florida reported an extra 1317 cases this morning. It's also been announced  today that Florida can enter Phase 2 - Bars and pubs can operate at 50%, retail at 100% and gyms 100%. Plans must be submitted and approved to move forward, according to Destiney Burt from the Florida Channel.

I know testing has increased, but still. Would you feel safe in a gym at 100% capacity when cases are four figures?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on June 04, 2020, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 03, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
Destiney Burt

One for the Chris Morris names thread.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on June 05, 2020, 03:09:14 PM
***NWS*** https://i.imgur.com/6HekCXA.jpg

laying eggs is not the answer!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on June 05, 2020, 10:39:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EznLHKf.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 05, 2020, 10:50:03 PM
Quote from: Head Gardener on June 05, 2020, 03:09:14 PM
*Nws** https://i.imgur.com/6HekCXA.jpg

laying eggs is not the answer!

zombies with their phones out. part of the problem...part of the solution.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on June 06, 2020, 12:01:17 AM
All I know is, if there's a tattooed naked woman taking a shit on an upside-down police car, I'm taking a snap.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 06, 2020, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on June 06, 2020, 12:01:17 AM
All I know is, if there's a tattooed naked woman taking a shit on an upside-down police car, I'm taking a snap.

all your fetishes in one neat package ;)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on June 06, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
I love the almost three graces pose in the middle who look like "we're all for visual protest but this seems a tad unnecessary"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on June 06, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: Head Gardener on June 05, 2020, 03:09:14 PM
***NWS*** https://i.imgur.com/6HekCXA.jpg

laying eggs is not the answer!

How many times have I temp banned you now for posting NWS images dude? Literally 4 or 5. This one is borderline so I'm gonna let it go, (edit: no, I'm not) but next ban will be permanent as - unlike this lady - you just don't give a shit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 07, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
Last Vegas is open for people to waste large sums of money again, and barely any of them are masked: https://mobile.twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1269169419998990336

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 08, 2020, 02:40:01 PM
In Ohio, a variety of places including outdoor playgrounds, indoor movie theatres (I presume that is the same thing as a cinema) and roller skating rinks can open from Wednesday: https://twitter.com/WLWT/status/1268663051756199937

From 19th June, casinos, amusement parks and water parks can also open.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 08, 2020, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 08, 2020, 02:40:01 PM
In Ohio, a variety of places including outdoor playgrounds, indoor movie theatres (I presume that is the same thing as a cinema) and roller skating rinks can open from Wednesday: https://twitter.com/WLWT/status/1268663051756199937

From 19th June, casinos, amusement parks and water parks can also open.

All for nothing, this pandemic. NOUGHT
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: sirhenry on June 12, 2020, 09:25:40 AM
Last night's BBC rolling news thread - the summary needed saving for posterity.
The rule of three...
(https://www.51055.com/cab/BBC2020-06-11at22.21.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 24, 2020, 08:36:19 PM
Looks like another circulation (rather than a 2nd wave) has begun in some US States who thought they might have seen it off.

Arizona
New cases up from 30 to 60K in the last 14 days, worst daily deaths today.

Florida
5.5K new cases today, 67K to 103K new cases in the last 14 days, not seeing a major increase in deaths yet but they should be preparing for a big rise by the end of the month.

North Carolina
New cases steadily rising all month to near 60K

Texas
New cases up from 81K to 125K in the last 14 days

If the virus isn't going to have a peak then a trough in America but instead resurface in pockets of weakness/laxness then it's very likely the presidential election campaign will be run during this pandemic outbreak. Something will happen won't it? Trump will get assassinated or Biden will die of Covid or both.

I would say they are stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of public health policy but we all know they are facing economic ruin and so will probably not reimpose lockdown measures unless they have another New York State situation on their hands.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on June 24, 2020, 09:09:48 PM
Just in time for Trump to end federal funding for tests in Texas, as well as Illinois, New Jersey, Colorado, and Pennsylvania.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-coronavirus-test-sites-ending-funding-5-states-2020-6

Hope this fucking destroys him at the polls.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on June 25, 2020, 02:44:59 AM
America really taking it up the aaaassssssss.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/24/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

QuoteExperts sound alarm as US sees its third-highest number of new cases since beginning of pandemic
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on June 25, 2020, 04:47:20 AM
So glad I live in NYC. New York, New Jersey and Michigan are the only three states that have contained this absolute fuckfest of a plague.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 25, 2020, 01:44:06 PM
In Texas, Abbott is telling people to stay home as much as possible but also not shutting anything down and carrying on with their reopening plan.

Outdoor gathering have been limited to 100, where it was previously 500.

Quote"We want to make sure that everyone reinforces the best safe practices of wearing a mask, hand sanitization, maintaining safe distance, but importantly, because the spread is so rampant right now, there's never a reason for you to have to leave your home," Abbott said during an early-afternoon interview with KBTX-TV in Bryan. "Unless you do need to go out, the safest place for you is at your home."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on June 25, 2020, 09:07:40 PM
Repacking masks for resale:

(https://assets-c3.propublica.org/images/articles/_threeTwo1200w/20200625-medical-use-3x2.jpg)

https://www.propublica.org/article/he-removed-labels-that-said-medical-use-prohibited-then-tried-to-sell-thousands-of-masks-to-officials-who-distribute-to-hospitals
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on June 25, 2020, 09:09:52 PM
Capitalism fuck yeah.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Gulftastic on June 26, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
New peaks!

The deliberate, GOP fueled distrust of intelligence and experts is reaching it's natural conclusion. Fucking tragic to watch.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on June 26, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
Houston half arsedly shutting down again. too late.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on June 26, 2020, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on June 26, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
New peaks!

The deliberate, GOP fueled distrust of intelligence and experts is reaching it's natural conclusion. Fucking tragic to watch.

Yeah it'll be difficult for the GOP to spin this one.

Surprised no one from the Oklahoma rally has been identified as infected yet (insert joke about "it only being a small crowd so likely very safe" here). Matter of time.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on June 26, 2020, 05:44:41 PM
Just caught a bit of Mr Pence's briefing.

"First off, lets take a step back and see how far we've come in the past months"

Sensational. I think they've taken enough backward steps to be honest, but there's no denying they've gone a long way in the last few months.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 26, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on June 26, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
Houston half arsedly shutting down again. too late.

Can imagine how fucking frustrating that must be to the minrotiy of sane rational people who have to live there.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 26, 2020, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on June 26, 2020, 05:44:41 PM
Just caught a bit of Mr Pence's briefing.

"First off, lets take a step back and see how far we've come in the past months"

Sensational. I think they've taken enough backward steps to be honest, but there's no denying they've gone a long way in the last few months.

Kind of like congratulating oneself for having nearly climbed a hill even though you then slid back down to the bottom. Come a long way? Yeah, double the distance at many times the cost, asshole.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 26, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
Oops
(https://i.ibb.co/6N26fmw/Screenshot-2020-06-26-at-18-36-39.png) (https://ibb.co/R71LV9b)

not translated into deaths yet - but that is lagged by a few days or weeks?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 26, 2020, 06:38:27 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 26, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Can imagine how fucking frustrating that must be to the minrotiy of sane rational people who have to live there.

sane, rational people would have known this would happen in February
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on June 26, 2020, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on June 26, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
Oops
(https://i.ibb.co/6N26fmw/Screenshot-2020-06-26-at-18-36-39.png) (https://ibb.co/R71LV9b)

not translated into deaths yet - but that is lagged by a few days or weeks?

It'd lag by weeks/months as the new cases are young 'uns and it'll take a while for them to doom the vulnerable and elderly.

If only they could be told to stay home! Sadly, no such governmental body has the power to do this.

Cf. the Canadian response.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 26, 2020, 07:03:06 PM
Florida closing bars after 8,942 new cases of coronavirus yesterday, takeout alcohol still allowed:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/504704-florida-to-close-bars-after-shattering-record-of-new-coronavirus-cases
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 26, 2020, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on June 26, 2020, 06:38:27 PM
sane, rational people would have known this would happen in February

Yes, but they aren't the ones holding the levers of power.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on June 28, 2020, 11:07:22 AM
Sasha Cohen Trolling Olympia far right supremacist rally (https://youtu.be/O2qtjgo463Y)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Gulftastic on June 28, 2020, 03:03:02 PM
Trump retweets video showing one bloke shouting 'WHITE POWER!' and priases the 'fine people'. (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-shares-white-power-supporter-video_n_5ef88c4ac5b6ca970910e182)

Is this another dead cat, given the story about the Russian bounty on US troops?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on June 28, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
Forget it Gulf, it's floridatown
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on June 28, 2020, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on June 28, 2020, 03:03:02 PM
Trump retweets video showing one bloke shouting 'WHITE POWER!' and priases the 'fine people'. (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-shares-white-power-supporter-video_n_5ef88c4ac5b6ca970910e182)

Is this another dead cat, given the story about the Russian bounty on US troops?

has there been any proof of the bounty thing? i've seen it in a million lib tweets but i don't think i've seen where it originated yet. is it another attempt at the wildly successful russiagate?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on June 29, 2020, 10:14:40 PM
How can every branch of governance in the US be so monumentally awful: https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1277632036002574337

This isn't even the usual "being willfully ignorant of what people want because we don't want to give them that" thing, this is straight-up hapless thick-as-pigshit dumbness
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 30, 2020, 12:02:03 PM
Cuomo Sapien: species made from 100% bullshit
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pingers on June 30, 2020, 07:52:49 PM
"Give me liberty or give me death"

Don't worry, they come as a matching pair now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jobotic on June 30, 2020, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on June 28, 2020, 05:23:46 PM
has there been any proof of the bounty thing? i've seen it in a million lib tweets but i don't think i've seen where it originated yet. is it another attempt at the wildly successful russiagate?

Personally I have no doubt that Putin is involved in US and UK elections, but this I don't get. Why the fuck would Russia do that?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: honeychile on June 30, 2020, 11:38:58 PM
There was a discussion on Channel 4 News a couple of years ago where they were talking about russian intervention in Syria, and one hysteric was talking about how Russia is sponsoring various different groups and trying to cause chaos. From memory, the host said "why is Russia be doing that? What's their strategic goal they're trying to out of it?" And the response was "Russia... just seems to like chaos. They enjoy chaos." Dearly wish i could remember who the guests were, should have noted it at the time.

I recall that conversation every time something like this bounty stuff comes out.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pingers on July 01, 2020, 12:16:31 PM
USA accounts for 4% of global population but 25% of Covid-19 cases and deaths. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on July 02, 2020, 08:12:53 AM
These maps show districts with over 50 cases per 100k in the last week (Germany's "emergency brake" trigger for local lockdowns) in 🇩🇪, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 🇺🇸

The USA right now has 1000 Leicesters or Güterslohs https://t.co/seMnorew3h

(https://i.ibb.co/5r1069h/20200702-081031.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/Nxj3HvR/20200702-081036.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/S3C1zzS/20200702-081039.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QKwq440)

FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 02, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Vanilla Ice's concert in Texas on the 4th is still going ahead.

QuoteThe venue — Emerald Point Bar & Grill, located on the shores of Lake Travis — is technically a restaurant, even though it also has a large capacity outdoor general admission concert space. So fans don't have to collaborate with or listen to current recommended coronavirus guidelines that seek to eliminate large crowds.

2500 tickets on sale. At least it is outside.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 02, 2020, 10:49:32 AM
Vanilla Ice rolling the dice.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 02, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
They're so fucked that Trump has now made a small concession to mask-wearing, pointing out that he's fine with them, and quite like the way he looks while wearing one. Did not model it though.

Some of his top advisors are publicly supporting them now too, eg Sean Hannity. 
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: sirhenry on July 02, 2020, 12:17:49 PM
Yes... He said it made him look like the Lone Ranger - who only wore an eye mask... so presumably that's what Republicans will be wearing now.

(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/landscape_928x523/2013/07/df-20342_r.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 02, 2020, 02:01:55 PM
Dunno if you saw this:

(https://img-republicworld-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/img.republicworld.com/republic-prod/stories/promolarge/xxhdpi/jcb93jtcsc7terch_1593488151.jpeg)

And while looking for it I noticed this:

(https://i-insider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i.insider.com/5e591edafee23d3a72511343?width=960&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on July 02, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Those american numbers are terrifying but with the potential mitigation that they seem to be much younger people getting it, hopefully meaning less severe cases, hopefully meaning they won't translate into as many deaths
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 02, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on July 02, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Those american numbers are terrifying but with the potential mitigation that they seem to be much younger people getting it, hopefully meaning less severe cases, hopefully meaning they won't translate into as many deaths

Well it probably won't kill the young people no, but how many of these morons patriots go into churches/grocery stores and other refuges of the elderly? More cases = exponentially more spreading = more people taking up room in hospitals = more deaths by necessity if oldies get it.

Considering it is mostly trump boomers going about without masks, I think it's a timebomb.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 02, 2020, 10:01:13 PM
The death stats in the US outside of the North east are hard to interpret (check Floridas from the beginning up until George Floyd - all over the place). However we haven't seen the potential deaths since the riots feed through yet. Florida is a worry with all those retirees but a lot of land in the US is dispersed, there isn't much interchange of people outside of mass events, grocery stores, bars, airports etc.

With a poor and badly enforced lockdown you are likely (my guesstimate, anyway) to see 30-150 daily deaths swinging up and down all summer in each of these effect Southern states almost regardless of if there's individual spikes in cities.

It says a lot about Christianity that they'd rather keep the churches open, hopefully some of their sucker followers can see that it's a fucking death cult that doesn't give a shit about life on earth and actually rather craves death so long as you get raptured all fuppin' pristine.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 03, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on July 02, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Those american numbers are terrifying but with the potential mitigation that they seem to be much younger people getting it, hopefully meaning less severe cases, hopefully meaning they won't translate into as many deaths

This was a good thread on "Simpson's Paradox" https://twitter.com/mbeckett/status/1278750652160634880 (https://twitter.com/mbeckett/status/1278750652160634880) - basically, this is the reason why all the graphs comparing the 'Rona start at the "100 cases" mark, in that in the US now there are a lot of different curves going on at the same time, and at the moment we're seeing the start of some big curves which means lots of potential customers for the latter of "Give me liberty or give me death" which is really in vogue in the US at the moment
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on July 03, 2020, 02:07:37 PM
Ah ok America is fucked then. One reason I'm now pretty bullish on Biden's chances of winning. Not just the President but officials in his party are quite clearly presiding over mass death on a scale unseen in modern America entirely because of their own incompetence or ideological obsessions.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mr Banlon on July 03, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
Trump retweeted this : https://twitter.com/ACTforAmerica/status/1278195773088444421

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Gulftastic on July 03, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
'Hands up who likes me!'


He really is a cunt.

ETA oops, same Trump, new page
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 03, 2020, 05:49:56 PM
genuinely don't know how anyone, be it Biden or Trump or whoever, is going to get this under control. i love Bernie but honestly thank fuck he isn't going to inherit this shit or they'd use it to tar the left for a generation.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: brat-sampson on July 03, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on July 03, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
This was a good thread on "Simpson's Paradox" https://twitter.com/mbeckett/status/1278750652160634880 (https://twitter.com/mbeckett/status/1278750652160634880) - basically, this is the reason why all the graphs comparing the 'Rona start at the "100 cases" mark, in that in the US now there are a lot of different curves going on at the same time, and at the moment we're seeing the start of some big curves which means lots of potential customers for the latter of "Give me liberty or give me death" which is really in vogue in the US at the moment

I was thinking this during their 'first wave'. It makes no more sense to consider Corona in 'the States' than it does to consider it in Europe, like, as a whole. If Portugal is suffering an outbreak, should you enforce a lockdown in Greece? If cases are rising quickly in Sweden, how does that affect whether masks should be mandatory on buses Slovenia? The major difference is that the EU could close borders, which would be unconstitutional etc in the USA, meaning spread was inevitable and local outbreaks highly likely. That's before you even mention things like people not wanting tests because they're fucking expensive, and the potential costs of treatment even higher. It was always a time bomb waiting to happen, and only local governor enforcement and state/city-wide regulations would be able to prevent it. But even then, because of the aforementioned lack of border controls, what can you do, congrats, you successfully shut down your state and have kept the numbers low. Do you just wait there until there's a vaccine? Try and get some local track and trace software running?

These were all questions that should've been answered during what little lockdown time they won, but the GOP have basically fucked it nationwide, from overriding governors to rushing reopenings to politicising fucking masks, they've sabotaged any chance one of the most clearly vulnerable nations in the world could ever have had.

I hope they fucking shit Trump into space this November, and even then, Biden's going to have the worst 4 years of his life.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on July 03, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
Quote from: brat-sampson on July 03, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Biden's going to have the worst 4 years of his life.

in the state he's in, he won't last that long
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 03, 2020, 07:24:02 PM
He could do an amazing (actually I'd settle for not the worst possible) VP pick and then die. That's a about the most hopeful outcome I can imagine.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 03, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
libs are going to be shocked when the riots continue under Biden
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 04, 2020, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on July 03, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
This was a good thread on "Simpson's Paradox" https://twitter.com/mbeckett/status/1278750652160634880 (https://twitter.com/mbeckett/status/1278750652160634880) - basically, this is the reason why all the graphs comparing the 'Rona start at the "100 cases" mark, in that in the US now there are a lot of different curves going on at the same time, and at the moment we're seeing the start of some big curves which means lots of potential customers for the latter of "Give me liberty or give me death" which is really in vogue in the US at the moment

Quite a bold prediction that there will be dozens of NYCs but next week is massive for them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

First signs in the last few days of deaths starting to creep up in the key states mentioned. They need to re-enter lockdown, but I would imagine it will take all of next week or beyond before that happens.






Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on July 04, 2020, 09:23:41 AM
Who cares they're  only Americans
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 04, 2020, 09:36:34 AM
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

If you compare the states by population density vs. Deaths per million, the states going critical right now have up until now been disproportionately low on deaths when compared to their population density. California, Florida and Texas are particularly stark examples where they are way below average so far on deaths per million but relatively densely populated vs other states. They were in a position of precarity but seem to have failed to realise just how much.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on July 04, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
Great stuff
Title: Let's see ya rule of three this
Post by: Barry Admin on July 04, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
An 11 year-old kid died in Florida yesterday:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-coronavirus-youngest-death-record-cases-latest-a9599086.html

QuoteFlorida health officials have reported more than 10,000 new coronavirus cases in the state, the highest single-day spike in the state since the onset of the outbreak that has infected more than 2.7 million Americans. More than 128,000 patients have died.

The state also saw its youngest Covid-19-related fatality, following the death of an 11-year-old boy in Miami-Dade County, according to state health officials. Florida's death toll has reached more than 3,600.

Republican Governor Ron DeSantis – speaking alongside Vice President Mike Pence, who was visiting the state on Thursday – has not committed to rolling back Florida's reopening despite surging case numbers.

Florida, with a population of 21 million people, is the second state to record more than 10,000 cases in a single day, next to New York, which has a population of nearly 20 million and saw more than 12,000 cases on 10 April. That state has since contained a rise in cases to 6 per cent, the lowest in the nation, after emerging as a global epicentre amid the pandemic.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 04, 2020, 03:54:10 PM
Happy that NYC is looking relatively healthy but the guy in the apartment next to mine just came back from Miami. He'd gone there for a holiday, "to chill". Yesterday he invited a bunch of friends over for the Independence Day bank holiday (on a Friday as ID falls on a weekend this year). His half of our shared balcony/patio (there's a low wall separating his side from mine) was filled with people, while I lurked in my bedroom, working a long shift.

I hope he is flattened by his massive TV and dies.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 04, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 04, 2020, 03:54:10 PM
Happy that NYC is looking relatively healthy but the guy in the apartment next to mine just came back from Miami. He'd gone there for a holiday, "to chill". Yesterday he invited a bunch of friends over for the Independence Day bank holiday (on a Friday as ID falls on a weekend this year). His half of our shared balcony/patio (there's a low wall separating his side from mine) was filled with people, while I lurked in my bedroom, working a long shift.

I hope he is flattened by his massive TV and dies.

Throw him to his death.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 04, 2020, 04:59:11 PM
That doesn't count as social distancing.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 04, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
Antisocial distancing? The distance between us would grow pretty quickly once he was over the edge (so long as he got up enough momentum to clear the fire escape).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 05, 2020, 05:14:15 AM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/24/when-covid-19-deaths-are-analysed-by-age-america-is-an-outlier
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: sirhenry on July 05, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/how-white-house-coronavirus-response-went-wrong/613591/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/how-white-house-coronavirus-response-went-wrong/613591/)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on July 05, 2020, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 05, 2020, 05:14:15 AM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/24/when-covid-19-deaths-are-analysed-by-age-america-is-an-outlier

if anyone can get beyond the paywall and tell me why this is I'd be really interested!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 05, 2020, 05:47:23 PM
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IT IS NOW well-known that, although covid-19 can strike even the very young, older folk face the greatest risk. In hard-hit rich countries, about 60% of all deaths from the disease are among people aged 80 and over. America, however, is an exception. Data released on June 16th by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC) show that the country's death toll skews significantly younger. There, people in their 80s account for less than half of all covid-19 deaths; people in their 40s, 50s and 60s, meanwhile, account for a significantly larger share of those who die. The median covid-19 sufferer in America is a 48-year-old; in Italy it is a 63-year-old.

Why is America such an outlier? Part of the explanation surely lies in the fact that America has a younger population than Europe does. America's median age is just 38; Italy's is 45. Another reason, perhaps, is that middle-aged Americans may be less healthy than their European peers, eg, because they tend to be more obese.

Whatever the cause, the relative youthfulness of America's covid-19 victims means that the coronavirus is robbing Americans of more years of precious life. A recent study by a group of Scottish researchers estimated the number of years of life lost to covid-19 by age, taking account of the victims' underlying health conditions. It found that in Italy, people who died in their 50s, 60s, and 70s typically lost 30, 21, and 12 years, respectively. Those in their 80s lost five years, on average.

Applying these estimates to the victims of America's outbreak, a back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that covid-19 has so far shortened the lives of its American victims by 11 years, on average, compared with about nine years in the hardest-hit European countries. America may not yet have reached the same rate of covid-19 deaths as the likes of Britain, Spain and Italy. But the contagion in America is far from contained. Anthony Fauci, one of the experts in charge of America's response, has warned of a "disturbing surge" in new infections in parts of the country. And when the age profile is factored in, there is even more reason for Americans to be disturbed.
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Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 05, 2020, 06:18:54 PM
Is it really down to obesity rates though? I thought plenty of countries had caught up to the US (the UK included). Could it be at least partly down to people not having access to affordable healthcare and people not visiting their doctors more often? That could also explain why the death rate is higher in men than in women.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 06, 2020, 05:26:55 AM
Yeah, I suspect there are a lot of people with previously undiagnosed underlying health conditions who've had to avoid going to the doc's for anything but emergency care because of a lack of health insurance
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on July 06, 2020, 05:52:08 AM
Also stupid notions of individualism
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 06, 2020, 01:30:42 PM
There was the report yesterday of the British journalist being derided in Texas for wearing a mask - "fake news" responses etc, but also a quote from one young lady saying something like "if the good lord wishes to take me, then so be it".

I do wonder if people with this mindset would feel the same if they got the virus and felt the icy hand of the reaper, or whether they'd panic like fuck and beg their god for mercy?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 06, 2020, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 06, 2020, 01:30:42 PM
There was the report yesterday of the British journalist being derided in Texas for wearing a mask - "fake news" responses etc, but also a quote from one young lady saying something like "if the good lord wishes to take me, then so be it".

I do wonder if people with this mindset would feel the same if they got the virus and felt the icy hand of the reaper, or whether they'd panic like fuck and beg their god for mercy?

BRING ON THE INTUBATION!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 06, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 06, 2020, 01:30:42 PM
There was the report yesterday of the British journalist being derided in Texas for wearing a mask -

My friend was called a "faggot" by some hulking redneck at a 7-11 for wearing one. A lot of it is just about Americans of a certain mindset not liking being told what to do, regardless of how beneficial it is. it goes against the idea of freedom for some pencil-pushing God-denying scientist type telling them "you should do this" and "you must do that". Tell them not to wear masks and they'll all be out wearing them with pride.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 06, 2020, 10:43:42 PM
Preventing infections from spreading is gay.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on July 07, 2020, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on July 06, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
My friend was called a "faggot" by some hulking redneck at a 7-11 for wearing one. A lot of it is just about Americans of a certain mindset not liking being told what to do, regardless of how beneficial it is. it goes against the idea of freedom for some pencil-pushing God-denying scientist type telling them "you should do this" and "you must do that". Tell them not to wear masks and they'll all be out wearing them with pride.

I've been dying for some prick to say something to me so I can unleash several months' worth of lockdown frustration upon them, but no such luck. I've had to make do with calling old white men cunts when they push past me in the supermarket, maskless, walking the wrong way down the aisle. Unfortunately, the mask I'm wearing tends to dull the harsh plosives of this most excellent insult, and they probably just think I'm mumbling 'crumbs' at them.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 07, 2020, 12:19:46 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on July 06, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
My friend was called a "faggot" by some hulking redneck at a 7-11 for wearing one. A lot of it is just about Americans of a certain mindset not liking being told what to do, regardless of how beneficial it is. it goes against the idea of freedom for some pencil-pushing God-denying scientist type telling them "you should do this" and "you must do that". Tell them not to wear masks and they'll all be out wearing them with pride.

They don't like being told what to do except by the church.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 07, 2020, 12:24:51 AM
Florida teen dies after conspiracy theorist mom takes her to church 'COVID party' and tries to treat her with Trump-approved drug

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/fl...to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on July 07, 2020, 12:49:41 AM
ERROR 404!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 07, 2020, 02:04:31 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 07, 2020, 07:04:08 AM
that story put me in a funk all day. just utter fucking desolation.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 07, 2020, 08:47:22 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 07, 2020, 02:04:31 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/

Too many pop ups and unreadable website. But I hope she has been arrested for this and Trump indicted?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 07, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Arizona just recorded a high for deaths.

Florida's is still fox heads on sticks unreadable for the time being. 2 weeks of 5,000+ new cases per day, as of yet not feeding through with deaths.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on July 07, 2020, 07:34:35 PM
My wife's parents sold a second home in Florida because they were tired of racist cunts. Fair play. They had dolphins swimming in the ocean in their back yard. Just actually good people.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 08, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
Someone I know who lives in small-town Missouri has been participating in Facebook debates about mask ordinances. It's pretty desolate that my friend is reduced to screaming about stupid rednecks and arguments that go "do the research" "no you do the research" "that's not research", but it's apparently a constitutional freedom to not wear a mask in shops.

Many of these people insisting shops serve them were a year or 2 ago defending the rights of businesses to refuse to serve gay people. If only mask-wearing was a religious belief rather than common sense, then all Americans would support it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 08, 2020, 11:58:56 AM
It might be feeding through. 993 deaths in US yesterday, highest since June 6th and way higher than any day since June 24th.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 09, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Florida's worst daily figures for deaths today by a fair distance. Arizona on its worst 3-day rolling average for deaths. California + Texas haven't reported but last 2 days were their highest too by a distance.

Alarm appears to be justified.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 09, 2020, 10:26:52 PM
I had an argument with a Florida woman a couple of months ago who said that Covid must be fake because no homeless people have died from it and also the heat there would stop it anyway. Would love to know if she still has those opinions.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 09, 2020, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on July 09, 2020, 10:26:52 PM
I had an argument with a Florida woman a couple of months ago who said that Covid must be fake because no homeless people have died from it and also the heat there would stop it anyway. Would love to know if she still has those opinions.

Have you tracked her down and BAM
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 10, 2020, 04:39:03 AM
My mum's friend literally said that my mate's parents didn't both die from it in her opinion, and that it must have been something else.

It's hard for me to engage with that lack of intelligence, empathy or perception. If you're comfortable in dismissing people's deaths because that reality doesn't fit your stance, I hope you learn a hard lesson.

I'm being mild for legal reasons.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 10, 2020, 01:28:09 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Fuckdown USA 2 has commenced. All those new cases starting to feed through. Back up to losing 1000+ per day very soon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on July 10, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
My thought here is...will this lead to long-term political change in the US? And by that I mean the utter rejection of the death cult Republican Party that is uninterested in even keeping the people who vote for them safe?

Haha who am I kidding, the answer is no.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CKMGzuG.png)

We lose Denver, New Orleans and Nashville, but these are desperate times.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 10, 2020, 07:11:27 PM
No thick Nazis in Texas or Nevada? I'd just extend Canada down through Cali and not lumber Mexico with all the Alamo humpers.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 10, 2020, 07:11:27 PM
No thick Nazis in Texas or Nevada? I'd just extend Canada down through Cali and not lumber Mexico with all the Alamo humpers.

The idea is that the thickos will quickly relocate, lest they not part of the Best Country any more.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 10, 2020, 07:38:03 PM
I'm not mad on including MT and ND into Canada.

If anything; southern AB, SK and MB can be kicked back to the US.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
I see your point, but think of the hassle of getting from coast to coast with a big pile of America in the way.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 10, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
I see your point, but think of the hassle of getting from coast to coast with a big pile of America in the way.

Plane?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 10, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Plane?

Well... true.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 10, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 10, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Plane?

No I've got plenty of hand tools already thanks.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 11, 2020, 01:21:21 AM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
I see your point, but think of the hassle of getting from coast to coast with a big pile of America in the way.

Not sure driving a thousand-mile curve through the northern states is a massive improvement.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 11, 2020, 01:24:10 AM
This is all great feedback on the map, thanks.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 11, 2020, 09:50:14 AM
Is the next major Trump scapegoat sacking gonna be Fauci?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 11, 2020, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on July 11, 2020, 01:24:10 AM
This is all great feedback on the map, thanks.

I thought East was best?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 11, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
US deaths per million now 413, closing in on us lot in the AIDS tier.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on July 11, 2020, 01:40:10 PM
I would be fucking rejoicing if they were all Republican anti vaxxer anti-BLM cunts but it's low income ethnic minorities and people who have to serve the cunts in shops and the like.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 11, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
It's almost as if life is incredibly and needlessly unfair.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 11, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
Lots of old and sick people carking it who are a drain on the economy anyway right lads? Get rid of those pensions and benefits early, and more money to shovel to our mates
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on July 12, 2020, 02:17:52 AM
Anyone popped along to Disney World?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on July 12, 2020, 03:38:32 AM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on July 11, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
Lots of old and sick people carking it who are a drain on the economy anyway right lads? Get rid of those pensions and benefits early, and more money to shovel to our mates
Yeah but then who is going to vote for monsters
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Attila on July 12, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Zetetic on July 12, 2020, 02:17:52 AM
Anyone popped along to Disney World?

My non tosser brother lives in Ocala (which is about 2 hours from Orlando), and he says that in his area, anyway, people are still keeping to the lockdown. He's not gone out at all in weeks, and having everything delivered; he's in a rural area, big acreage lots and horsefarms, and he's got plenty to do. But he's 65, and my mother turns 91 this week, so he's just climbed into the bunker as it were. He thinks it's absolutely nuts that DW is reopening.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 12, 2020, 12:40:59 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/R3DY7ff/109230368-10157635936253277-1270380446742748851-n.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on July 12, 2020, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on July 12, 2020, 02:17:52 AM
Anyone popped along to Disney World?

(https://i.imgur.com/XWJT55j.jpg)

Disney World reopens as coronavirus cases spike in Florida (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/media/disney-world-reopening/index.html)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 12, 2020, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on July 12, 2020, 02:17:52 AM
Anyone popped along to Disney World?

Head Office staff won't be, they're still working from home, oh, I see.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on July 12, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
So Mickey isn't on-site?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: kngen on July 12, 2020, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on July 10, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
We lose Denver, New Orleans and Nashville, but these are desperate times.

Can Richmond be treated like West Berlin and have a walled off version of I-95 connecting us to the new, non-Thick Nazi America, pls? We pulled down the statues. Only a handful of our senior politicians wore blackface in their college days. And, um, Gwar?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 12, 2020, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on July 12, 2020, 02:17:52 AM
Anyone popped along to Disney World?

https://t.co/5QC1nKXaVP

Conor O'Malley's sister?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on July 12, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
Florida just reported the number of infections in just a single day was 15,300.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on July 12, 2020, 07:37:33 PM
How did they know?

Or is that positive tests?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on July 12, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Positive tests. The actual number of infections has to be way more of course.

Apparently beats California's record of about 11,000 in the Armageddon stakes.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on July 12, 2020, 07:44:11 PM
Bye you mother fuckers
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 12, 2020, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Alberon on July 12, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
Florida just reported the number of infections in just a single day was 15,300.
It's why they're getting Disney World opened up again, give people something to cheer them up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: imitationleather on July 12, 2020, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 12, 2020, 07:45:59 PM
It's why they're getting Disney World opened up again, give people something to cheer them up.

Make a Wish foundation is going to be inundated soon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Jasha on July 12, 2020, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: Head Gardener on July 12, 2020, 01:14:00 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/KG3wSC7/1594582848162.png)

Disney World reopens as coronavirus cases spike in Florida (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/media/disney-world-reopening/index.html)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 12, 2020, 09:52:03 PM
Hoping the characters from Disney get it and die
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: rack and peanut on July 12, 2020, 10:09:24 PM
The other six dwarves have shoved Sneezy into the basement and are feeding him child corpses they've wrestled from nearby alligators
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Twit 2 on July 12, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Minnie Mouse bedecked in tubing while the welcome spectre of death crouches over her stupid knackered face.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 12, 2020, 10:52:41 PM
Final words: 'Annul all charitable giving'

Cheers Minnie
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 14, 2020, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 11, 2020, 09:50:14 AM
Is the next major Trump scapegoat sacking gonna be Fauci?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53392817

The tanks are moving into position
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 14, 2020, 08:39:17 AM
Dr. Fauxi, amirite?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 14, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Just normal American things, jailing a 15 year old for *checks notes* being "guilty on failure to submit to any schoolwork and getting up for school"
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-teenager-didnt-do-her-online-schoolwork-so-a-judge-sent-her-to-juvenile-detention (https://www.propublica.org/article/a-teenager-didnt-do-her-online-schoolwork-so-a-judge-sent-her-to-juvenile-detention)

Guess what was her skin colour again?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 14, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on July 14, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Just normal American things, jailing a 15 year old for *checks notes* being "guilty on failure to submit to any schoolwork and getting up for school"
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-teenager-didnt-do-her-online-schoolwork-so-a-judge-sent-her-to-juvenile-detention (https://www.propublica.org/article/a-teenager-didnt-do-her-online-schoolwork-so-a-judge-sent-her-to-juvenile-detention)

Guess what was her skin colour again?

Horrible journalis...reads like an Aesop Fable for toddlers
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 14, 2020, 04:52:07 PM
Reminds me of a story I saw the other day. I guess this was it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Edit: yep, video here https://mobile.twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1281360908468412416
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: hamfist on July 14, 2020, 05:34:27 PM
Who's the leader of the club,
That's made for you and me ?
M.I.C,
K.E.Y,
G.R.A.V.E
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 14, 2020, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 14, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
Horrible journalis...reads like an Aesop Fable for toddlers

That is definitely the thing to take away from this story.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 14, 2020, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 14, 2020, 08:22:05 PM
That is definitely the thing to take away from this story.

of the story itself no, of the presentation...makes me suspicious it wasn't fabricated.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: peanutbutter on July 14, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
The Disney World video appear on here yet? Must've done, but anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u3_sDk4HqQ
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on July 15, 2020, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 11, 2020, 09:53:40 AM
I thought East was best?

No, East is East. Learn to read.

(https://abload.de/img/57329d99-ea78-4b27-9xdj0q.jpeg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on July 15, 2020, 10:08:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wYNEFdt.jpg)

https://nypost.com/2020/07/14/teens-are-dressing-up-as-mask-wearing-grandmas-to-score-alcohol/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/14/teens-are-dressing-up-as-mask-wearing-grandmas-to-score-alcohol/)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on July 15, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
The Zimmer frame is a lovely touch.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 15, 2020, 03:11:42 PM
Over 100 covid cases reported at the Fremont Tesla plant that reopened in May, according to the BBC.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 15, 2020, 03:43:57 PM
Way to frickin go, Musk, idiot!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on July 15, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
Walmart is making masks compulsory from July 20th. I cannot WAIT for the mobile phone footage of people kicking off about this yesssssss.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 15, 2020, 07:16:37 PM
Probably just means more of this kind of thing.

(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_20/3345791/200511-hood-vons-store-ac-902p_9f7e3d4711c907000036ca4e9d661bdd.fit-760w.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 15, 2020, 07:42:11 PM
spare a thought for all the elderly greeters who will have to wrestle similarly decrepit maskless QAnon believers
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 15, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on July 15, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
Walmart is making masks compulsory from July 20th. I cannot WAIT for the mobile phone footage of people kicking off about this yesssssss.

Stores burning right now*

*dunno...probably not
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 16, 2020, 08:24:41 AM
First day of 1000+ deaths since June 9th. 7 day rolling average up from June low of 519 to 760.

Fauci gonna be chops
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 16, 2020, 03:22:35 PM
entirely plausible we don't dip below 1000 deaths again til 2021
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 16, 2020, 03:49:01 PM
Texas sounds insane. They're bringing in refrigerated trucks now because the morgues are full up. The Republican Governor is refusing to close the economy though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: steveh on July 16, 2020, 04:02:27 PM
Was reading that Texas has a no strike law for teachers so if they decide it's not safe to work because of Covid they can lose the certificate allowing them to teach and all their pension. That is so messed up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on July 16, 2020, 10:59:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdE_loAXsAAzI9V?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 16, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Silver lining, finally.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 12:21:15 AM
Says more about the cunts on wall street to be honest.

"How will this pharma-giant health care provider do during a period when an increased number of citizens are forced to require the provision of healthcare"

"Oh, erm, hmmm... maybe they'll do ok?"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 03:09:07 AM
71,135 - record number of new cases today.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on July 17, 2020, 04:00:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/oBW7eKC.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/3c2VEHC.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/iVWSNaI.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/HFl777q.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/NLit6jf.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/FxTMRNz.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/sLETzww.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/eV0E4Kr.gif)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2020, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 03:09:07 AM
71,135 - record number of new cases today.

also a global record, ~250,000
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 17, 2020, 10:47:38 AM
FUCKDOWN, SAN DIMAS, DUDES!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 17, 2020, 11:02:14 AM
Is a surplus 1,000 deaths a day for the US just kinda cigs mate for the administration? What level will they start crapping themselves about?

With the election in November Trump should be locking US under its toughest ever conditions right now (their supporters do whatever he says anyway while it is what Democratic supporters want).

Is he that shit scared his base will turn on him? I reckon if he made a big play about 'eradicating it for good' and draped some national rhetoric over it, called it a War, etc, they could get behind a really tough 3 week lockdown. Mmm, tanks on the streets too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bomb_dog on July 17, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Probably waiting for it to get so bad so he can call a national emergency, cancelling the election to cling to power for a bit longer.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on July 17, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 17, 2020, 11:02:14 AM
I reckon if he made a big play about 'eradicating it for good' and draped some national rhetoric over it, called it a War, etc, they could get behind a really tough 3 week lockdown. Mmm, tanks on the streets too.

Oh yeah keep going I'm close
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Gulftastic on July 17, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
If the fucking idiot had leaned into immediately and produced red MAGA face masks he be laughing right now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Well, this is a bit terrifying:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on July 17, 2020, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Well, this is a bit terrifying:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are

Is the main photo on that article purposely show casing the adult not wearing their mask properly. Or do they think that all was fine with that image?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: Dewt on July 17, 2020, 04:00:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/oBW7eKC.gif)

That's a Newfoundland (https://toppng.com/uploads/preview/emoji-laughing-crying-11550234355crjobafcmq.png)(https://toppng.com/uploads/preview/emoji-laughing-crying-11550234355crjobafcmq.png)(https://toppng.com/uploads/preview/emoji-laughing-crying-11550234355crjobafcmq.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 03:09:07 AM
71,135 - record number of new cases today.

The NY Times says 75,600. I wonder if 100k per day could actually happen.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Well, this is a bit terrifying:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are

Fucking hell. And that infection rate will be up near 100% after a few weeks of school, they'll all go see their frail old relatives at the weekend or for thanksgiving in November. This reopening schools thing is an absolute disaster waiting to happen.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: bomb_dog on July 17, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Probably waiting for it to get so bad so he can call a national emergency, cancelling the election to cling to power for a bit longer.

Seems likely. He's demoted his campaign manager, partly because of the Tulsa thing, but must also realise he's in trouble.

He's still smiling though.

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/07/Screenshot_2020-07-16-Did-Trump-Advertise-Goya-Brand-Foods-from-the-Oval-Office-.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Well, this is a bit terrifying:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are

Seen this?

"The science should not stand in the way on this..
The science is on our side here."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QD3-bQo0Kdw
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
It's thought that 4.3% of people here in Scotchland have been exposed to coronavirus:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-53435887/virus-rate-below-5-underlines-care-over-scottish-lockdown

31% of children in Florida, fucking hell.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 17, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
Once kiddies start spluttering fondant lung on the little league homeplate, America as we know it is dead.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 01:36:31 PM
Quote from: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
Seen this?

"The science should not stand in the way on this..
The science is on our side here."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QD3-bQo0Kdw

I genuinely don't understand the idea here. Like, this will be very bad. A lot of people will die as a result. And it will be impossible to spin the results as anyone else's fault.

It seems such a transparent attempt to score an own goal, I think the people in charge genuinely think either "it's a bit like the flu and therefore not serious", "the economy is more important than a few hundred thousand lives", or "we'll be able to bury the stats and the people who support us are too dim to notice".

Any of those is scary stuff. It's a mad old place.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 17, 2020, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on July 17, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
Once kiddies start spluttering fondant lung on the little league homeplate, America as we know it is dead.

Sandy Hook man. fuck them kids.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 02:25:13 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2020, 01:36:31 PM
I genuinely don't understand the idea here. Like, this will be very bad. A lot of people will die as a result. And it will be impossible to spin the results as anyone else's fault.

You'd be surprised. I was debating a couple of Trump supporters the other day, and they are fairly incapable of admitting he'd ever do anything wrong. Any possible issues get blamed on Pelosi and the Democrats for blocking him, or whatever.

One of them kind of relished the idea of more deaths, because he thinks only stupid people and cunts will get infected. The other is taking about betting a lot of money on Trump getting a second term.

Trying to get them to admit that he said we might be able to treat covid with disenfectant was also a lost cause, even with a video clip provided. They just diverted and said "ahh but you said he told people to drink bleach and he didn't say that", however, nor did I.

A lot of people are still doubling down and refusing to budge. It's alarming and almost unbelievable, but that's the world we have created.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 03:13:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oBW7eKC.gif)

dog looks like its watching its dinner getting thrown in a bin
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on July 17, 2020, 04:40:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Kjqu80U.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 04:43:20 PM
this is the culture they all died for
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 03:13:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oBW7eKC.gif)

dog looks like its watching its dinner getting thrown in a bin

Quality avatar going begging there.

Quote from: Head Gardener on July 17, 2020, 04:40:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Kjqu80U.jpg)

I love the knowing absurdity of giant butter sculptures and won't hear of them being mocked. Seen a few myself, in giant refrigerated rooms. Marvellous.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Attila on July 17, 2020, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2020, 04:59:49 PM
I love the knowing absurdity of giant butter sculptures and won't hear of them being mocked. Seen a few myself, in giant refrigerated rooms. Marvellous.

One of the highlights of my pre-teen life was going out to breakfast at some posh place (probably because my dad had a coupon), and having cream cheese on toasted bagels: said cream cheese had been sculpted into life-sized swans.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2020, 04:59:49 PM
Quality avatar going begging there.



good point
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: gib on July 17, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: Attila on July 17, 2020, 05:11:11 PM
One of the highlights of my pre-teen life was going out to breakfast at some posh place (probably because my dad had a coupon), and having cream cheese on toasted bagels: said cream cheese had been sculpted into life-sized swans.

how fucking big were the bagels?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pranet on July 17, 2020, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
It's thought that 4.3% of people here in Scotchland have been exposed to coronavirus:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-53435887/virus-rate-below-5-underlines-care-over-scottish-lockdown

31% of children in Florida, fucking hell.

I suppose we are going to find out if herd immunity is actually possible.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: Attila on July 17, 2020, 05:11:11 PM
One of the highlights of my pre-teen life was going out to breakfast at some posh place (probably because my dad had a coupon), and having cream cheese on toasted bagels: said cream cheese had been sculpted into life-sized swans.

That's amazing. I'd be well into that.

Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 05:15:42 PM
good point

Yeah I knew you were after one so dropped the hint.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 06:04:16 PM
Works a treat  with current profile strapline too
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2020, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on July 17, 2020, 06:04:16 PM
Works a tread with current profile strapline too

Yeah that's a mega 1-2
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 17, 2020, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on July 17, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
If the fucking idiot had leaned into immediately and produced red MAGA face masks he be laughing right now.

Fucking hell, it's so obvious it was right there. And yet when Trump eventually wore one, it was plain black. Can't even do opportunistic branding effectively.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dewt on July 17, 2020, 08:14:34 PM
I'm happy that the GIFs were popular, it takes the sting out of it NOT BEING SAFE TO GO OUTDOORS
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 17, 2020, 08:21:13 PM
Hahaha too bad 😂😂😂
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Moribunderast on July 18, 2020, 02:19:44 AM
Quote from: Barry Admin on July 17, 2020, 02:25:13 PM
Trying to get them to admit that he said we might be able to treat covid with disenfectant was also a lost cause, even with a video clip provided. They just diverted and said "ahh but you said he told people to drink bleach and he didn't say that", however, nor did I.

I recently had a Trump supporter telling me the disinfectant thing never happened and was fabricated by the media. When I mentioned I had been watching the conference live as he said it I was met with a very condescending tone: "Oh, you can't believe everything the media tells you." I apparently can't believe my eyes or ears, either.

Those numbers re: Florida children are startling, especially with a plan to send kids back to school. Economic Death Cult in full swing.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 18, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: bomb_dog on July 17, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Probably waiting for it to get so bad so he can call a national emergency, cancelling the election to cling to power for a bit longer.

People keep saying this.

If the election is cancelled, Trump loses power anyway. It would go to the president pro tempore of the Senate (would usually go VP, then to House Speaker, which is Pelosi, but they're both up for re-election).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 19, 2020, 03:20:22 AM
Fox News taking a Monty Python quote as a direct comment from someone in the autonomous zone, glad to see they're all serious culture war cunts with no experience outside their bubble
https://twitter.com/Franklin__Lopez/status/1272676226226847745 (https://twitter.com/Franklin__Lopez/status/1272676226226847745)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 19, 2020, 03:24:17 AM
Hahaha
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 19, 2020, 03:42:46 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 18, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
If the election is cancelled, Trump loses power anyway. It would go to the president pro tempore of the Senate (would usually go VP, then to House Speaker, which is Pelosi, but they're both up for re-election).

What is this based on? Because I imagine if there is any ambiguity whatsoever then practically speaking the question would go to the Supreme Court, and those fucks will inevitably rule that Trump remains in office until an election is held.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 19, 2020, 06:05:27 AM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 19, 2020, 03:42:46 AM
What is this based on? Because I imagine if there is any ambiguity whatsoever then practically speaking the question would go to the Supreme Court, and those fucks will inevitably rule that Trump remains in office until an election is held.

The 12th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

VP and Prez both out once their terms expire. Only question is who the successor is, but it's generally agreed that it would fall to the usual line of succession. In any case, Trump would be out the door.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 19, 2020, 06:23:48 AM
Does anyone/everyone else follow Andy Slavitt on Twitter? He's a health advisor/strategist etc who worked in the Obama admin. Intelligent but plain speaking and very compassionate.

I've been reading his daily threads for a good few months now and he never fails to offer some hope and opportunity for improvement and change, despite being gradually worn down by the total failures of the Trump government and the American people. Even when he's making broader points about the failings of the nation and constitution, he doesn't come across as bitter and he always brings it back to practical, simple next steps.

It's just a shitter that only 5% of the stuff he says that they need to do is what happens next.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Attila on July 19, 2020, 09:11:13 AM
Quote from: gib on July 17, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
how fucking big were the bagels?

Big enough to choke a swan.

It were 40 years ago, at least...

Some sort of 'breakfast bar' as part of a hotel restaurant that also did brunch meals for non-residents, gib. We was comin' back from Church. We'd just been to Mass. The Catholic Mass. About a few hundred old folks went into the restaurant. Meal went down in two hours.

Didn't see the first swan for about a half-hour. Creamcheese. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the buffet, gib? You can tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn't know, was that our brunch was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, gib,  creamcheese swans come cruisin' by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the creamcheese swan come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and sometimes that creamcheese swan he go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away.

Sometimes that creamcheese swan looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a  swan is he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't even seem to be livin'... 'til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The buffet turns red, and despite all your poundin' and your hollerin' those creamcheese swans come in and... they rip you to pieces.

You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred old folks there for the all-you-can-eat. I don't know how many creamcheese swans there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many old ladies, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin', gib, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He slumped against the buffet table, face down in the butter, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist.

At noon on the fifth day, a busboy swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. gib here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol' fat waiter come over and give my parents the bill. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin' for my turn. I'll never est out at a Sunday buffet brunch again. So, few hundred old folks went into the restaurant. 316 old folks and me come out, the creamcheese sawns took the rest, June the 29th, 1945.

Anyway, we stopped for ice cream afterwards."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 19, 2020, 09:22:57 AM
That's fantastic Attila
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 19, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
Yeah that's amazing, really enjoyed it
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 19, 2020, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 19, 2020, 06:05:27 AM
The 12th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

VP and Prez both out once their terms expire. Only question is who the successor is, but it's generally agreed that it would fall to the usual line of succession. In any case, Trump would be out the door.

But the text of the constitution clearly contemplates that happening in order to hand off to a "successor" chosen in the preceding election. They never contemplated what would happen if there was no election.

The line of succession thing is just a theory put forward by law professors. I'm fairly confident that the current Supreme Court would simply decree that the Presidency stays Republican until an election is held (which would mean Trump in this case, since it would otherwise go to a Democrat in the line of succession theory).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 20, 2020, 06:25:15 AM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 19, 2020, 05:07:16 PM
But the text of the constitution clearly contemplates that happening in order to hand off to a "successor" chosen in the preceding election. They never contemplated what would happen if there was no election.

The line of succession thing is just a theory put forward by law professors. I'm fairly confident that the current Supreme Court would simply decree that the Presidency stays Republican until an election is held (which would mean Trump in this case, since it would otherwise go to a Democrat in the line of succession theory).

Nope, wording in Section 1 is specific (also it's the 20th amendment, sorry, I misremembered): "The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."

Their terms end. The question is who takes over, not whether Trump and Pence will be in office. They will not. Section 4 of the amendment says Congress can decide, but the Dems will still have the House and IIRC there's a slim possibility they might get the Senate too (or at least a decent chunk of it) because of the number of Republicans up for reelection.

The easiest thing to do is just stick to the line of succession and have the president pro tempore of the Senate, Chuck Grassley, occupy a pre-agreed neutral placeholder position until an election can be held.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on July 20, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
I've long ago given up thinking I know what Trump will do, but there are two options.

1/ Blame mail-in votes, which he is already starting to do, leave, but claim victory anyway.

2/ Nuclear option. Go the dictator route of ignoring the election and digging in. Has very little chance of actually working, but he might go for it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2020, 01:21:32 PM
LGA

Let's get ANTED

(https://i.ibb.co/JHGzQZ3/20200720-131737.jpg)

https://twitter.com/shesinscrubs/status/1284950366744989696?s=09

There's nothing graphic in that link but the reality is abysmal. The wealthiest nation on Earth. America has failed.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on July 20, 2020, 01:49:37 PM

ANTifa probably
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on July 20, 2020, 03:47:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/abpkmq1.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on July 20, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/J20VE13.gif)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2020, 07:55:34 PM
UK dropped a few tens of thousands in early July
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2020, 08:01:22 PM
FUCKDOWN MANDINGO
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Barry Admin on July 20, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
Maybe voting for that guy off that show wasn't the best idea.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 20, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 20, 2020, 06:25:15 AM
Nope, wording in Section 1 is specific (also it's the 20th amendment, sorry, I misremembered): "The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."

Their terms end. The question is who takes over, not whether Trump and Pence will be in office. They will not. Section 4 of the amendment says Congress can decide, but the Dems will still have the House and IIRC there's a slim possibility they might get the Senate too (or at least a decent chunk of it) because of the number of Republicans up for reelection.

The easiest thing to do is just stick to the line of succession and have the president pro tempore of the Senate, Chuck Grassley, occupy a pre-agreed neutral placeholder position until an election can be held.

It does not clearly contemplate what would happen in the absence of an election. Any law professor acting like there is a definitive answer to this question is ignoring the naked partisanship of the Supreme Court. It is irrelevant what is most rational as long as there is any ambiguity whatsoever. One of the great media crimes in the US over the last fifty years is the almost nonexistent outcry (and erasure from memory) of the fact that the Supreme Court intervened to hand George W. Bush the 2000 election instead of allowing votes to be counted in a state that Gore actually won.

In theory Congress could pass a fix during the lame duck interval if an election does not take place in November, but that is not going to happen given that McConnell controls the Senate (and even then they would have to override a Trump veto).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 20, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Alberon on July 20, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
I've long ago given up thinking I know what Trump will do, but there are two options.

1/ Blame mail-in votes, which he is already starting to do, leave, but claim victory anyway.

2/ Nuclear option. Go the dictator route of ignoring the election and digging in. Has very little chance of actually working, but he might go for it.

I think the most likely outcome is #1 parlayed into Trump starting a new rival network to Fox, which is what he wanted to do in the first place back in 2015-16. For him the last four years and the untold misery they have wreaked will have just been a laugh while he got to play dress up between rounds of golf.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on July 20, 2020, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on July 20, 2020, 01:49:37 PM
ANTifa probably

and DECifa
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 20, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Haha that interview Trump did on Fox recently was manic. A man who quite literally doesn't have a clue about anything, has no ideas or understanding of global politics and is a serial failure running one of the biggest nations on earth, during a global pandemic. Combine that with obvious age related dementia and fuck me.

How is the US not even MORE fucked with Covid? God bless them for trying.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
Can I just draw attention again to the hospital in Texas were FUCKING ANTS were coming out of a corpse and walking all over the bodies and into mouths of living patients because the nurses didn't have time to clean them off or remove cadavers?

My best mate lives in Texas and he's shielding because of lifelong horrendous asthma. Guy is shitting his self rn. Texas is beyond Lombardy tier. Total cuntdown. Exponential grave raper. Now he needs to consider that ANTS will be inhabiting his living body and frothing out of his corpse like so much regurgitated cod roe!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mr Banlon on July 20, 2020, 09:45:29 PM
In a few days it'll be : "I was telling everyone to wear masks from the start."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1285299379746811915
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on July 20, 2020, 10:15:40 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
Can I just draw attention again to the hospital in Texas were FUCKING ANTS were coming out of a corpse and walking all over the bodies and into mouths of living patients because the nurses didn't have time to clean them off or remove cadavers?
There's literally no evidence that ants are bad for COVID-19.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Captain Z on July 20, 2020, 10:24:04 PM
It's a good thing if they've developed anty bodies.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 21, 2020, 02:05:27 AM
Recent Richard Wolff interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmlv81OwSME
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 21, 2020, 02:24:37 AM
"We have the greatest ants in the world."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2020, 06:44:58 AM
Ants or nae ants, US rolling average for new cases has never been higher and deaths the last 2 days have been the worst since May 28th.

On the plus side the demise of the nation as we know it would be a good thing. Get out from under.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on July 23, 2020, 06:50:06 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2020, 06:44:58 AM
On the plus side the demise of the nation as we know it would be a good thing. Get out from under.

do you seriously believe this? it's not going to change anything geopolitically, and poor people in the US will suffer even more than before.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2020, 07:08:56 AM
Well, right now it is extremely obvious that the USA as a nation doesn't work structurally, even before getting into any other objections, and isn't on an upwards but downwards trajectory with minor pauses in that. All of the corporate actors and private interests who ensure this only gain power and influence as time goes on.

So it's a choice between certainty of things getting worse long term forever trapped or the opportunity to do things differently.

To use one example the opportunity for someone on low income to be able to be covered for healthcare. Right now the stars and stripes may be glueing it all together but the time is surely coming when for enough people what matters is delivery of basic services and rights.

Were the African wars of independence unjustified on account of the fact that suffering during and after was inevitable?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 23, 2020, 11:22:28 AM
OPERATION GARY:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53507660

I don't know about you, but I can only see this ending really really well.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: steveh on July 23, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
Philadelphia saying they will prosecute DHS forces if they commit criminal acts sounds like it could turn nasty: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/philly-d-a-threatens-to-arrest-federal-agents.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 23, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2020, 07:08:56 AM


To use one example the opportunity for someone on low income to be able to be covered for healthcare. Right now the stars and stripes may be glueing it all together but the time is surely coming when for enough people what matters is delivery of basic services and rights.


It will happen, most Americans want universal healthcare. We didn't have it before 1948 and it was just accepted that you were billed for your healthcare and if you were poor you had to suck it up/die. Unthinkable now. It's the main reason I made no effort to remain living in the US, that constant fear of ending up bankrupt through no fault of my own.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 23, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
I won't repost my boring prose, but you can't put federal troops outside of their jurisdiction and just let them go ham. It violates 3 amendments I know of (though I'm sure there are more constitutional issues I just don't know about), as well as violating an act of Congress and well established US law.

I don't understand why this isn't causing outrage everywhere in the US. The UK doesn't really have an equivalent clash between federal/state's power, so to put it in context it is like the tactical unit of MI6 being dropped in Carlisle without anyone being notified and they're battering old people with impunity.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 23, 2020, 12:54:51 PM
...and also being filmed battering old people with impunity, and the current PM is saying "yes, it is good that those old people are being battered" during an election year while running on a law and order campaign.

It is all just monstrous stuff. I've mentioned it on here but I had inclinations on moving to the US for a few years after becoming a Canadian citizen, just for the life experience more than anything. That can absolutely get to fuck now. Doubt we'll be going there for a long time.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 23, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 23, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
I won't repost my boring prose, but you can't put federal troops outside of their jurisdiction and just let them go ham. It violates 3 amendments I know of (though I'm sure there are more constitutional issues I just don't know about), as well as violating an act of Congress and well established US law.

I don't understand why this isn't causing outrage everywhere in the US. The UK doesn't really have an equivalent clash between federal/state's power, so to put it in context it is like the tactical unit of MI6 being dropped in Carlisle without anyone being notified and they're battering old people with impunity.

because most Americans with any political or societal clout are comfortable bootlicking hypocrites who are happy to give up any amount of liberty in order to feel safe from the threat of the poors and the commie anarchists.

i've seen many lib morons begging people to stop protesting the feds in Portland because it's giving Trump good footage for his campaign ads and people are being taken advantage of by violent agitators. absolute donkey brains.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on July 23, 2020, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 23, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
I won't repost my boring prose, but you can't put federal troops outside of their jurisdiction and just let them go ham. It violates 3 amendments I know of (though I'm sure there are more constitutional issues I just don't know about), as well as violating an act of Congress and well established US law.

I don't understand why this isn't causing outrage everywhere in the US. The UK doesn't really have an equivalent clash between federal/state's power, so to put it in context it is like the tactical unit of MI6 being dropped in Carlisle without anyone being notified and they're battering old people with impunity.

I do wonder if this might backfire and turn Trump's base against him. Their unwavering support of Trump, no matter what he does, has always been his greatest strength. But they are wedded to state independence, and he's ordering federal troops into states against those states wishes.

Probably too hopeful though. Red state haven't commented yet, but they'll come up with some way to justify it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 23, 2020, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on July 23, 2020, 02:10:09 PM
I do wonder if this might backfire and turn Trump's base against him. Their unwavering support of Trump, no matter what he does, has always been his greatest strength. But they are wedded to state independence, and he's ordering federal troops into states against those states wishes.

Probably too hopeful though. Red state haven't commented yet, but they'll come up with some way to justify it.

I think anyone dim enough to still support trump is along for the long haul, regardless of the civil liberties they have to overlook on the way.

Imagine if Obama was doing 10% of this. Pardoning his mates for not testifying against him in federal probes, sending troops to squash the rights of protestors, attempting to buy Greenland. He'd be toast.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Gulftastic on July 23, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Imagine if Hilary had won with a 3million deficit in the votes and Russian help. There would be no such place as the USA by now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 23, 2020, 03:22:45 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 23, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
I won't repost my boring prose, but you can't put federal troops outside of their jurisdiction and just let them go ham. It violates 3 amendments I know of (though I'm sure there are more constitutional issues I just don't know about), as well as violating an act of Congress and well established US law.

Of course, it only actually violates the constitution if the Supreme Court decrees that it does, which the current fascist majority would never do. I'm not sure they have ever ruled against the military/police/executive power. Law and order!

(Thankfully this fascist majority will be cemented in place for a mere 60+ years if Trump wins a second term, a minor inconvenience in the view of some posters on this esteemed forum.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on July 23, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2020, 07:08:56 AM
Well, right now it is extremely obvious that the USA as a nation doesn't work structurally, even before getting into any other objections, and isn't on an upwards but downwards trajectory with minor pauses in that. All of the corporate actors and private interests who ensure this only gain power and influence as time goes on.

So it's a choice between certainty of things getting worse long term forever trapped or the opportunity to do things differently.

To use one example the opportunity for someone on low income to be able to be covered for healthcare. Right now the stars and stripes may be glueing it all together but the time is surely coming when for enough people what matters is delivery of basic services and rights.

Were the African wars of independence unjustified on account of the fact that suffering during and after was inevitable?

you're confusing a pandemic for a revolution. but I guess people dying right now will be happy to know that somehow dialectically it's for the Cause.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 23, 2020, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 23, 2020, 02:16:58 PMImagine if Obama was doing 10% of this. Pardoning his mates for not testifying against him in federal probes, sending troops to squash the rights of protestors, attempting to buy Greenland, setting up a department to count the moon
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 23, 2020, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on July 23, 2020, 02:10:09 PM
I do wonder if this might backfire and turn Trump's base against him. Their unwavering support of Trump, no matter what he does, has always been his greatest strength. But they are wedded to state independence, and he's ordering federal troops into states against those states wishes.

You're granting your average Trump supporter a degree of insight and logical consistency I don't think they have.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 23, 2020, 05:25:18 PM
i will say that failure of his mega rally and the dwindling attendances at the anti mask rallies may be hinting at an enthusiasm drop off. probably why he's being so antagonistic to the Dem mayors and sabre rattling with China.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 23, 2020, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on July 23, 2020, 05:25:18 PM
i will say that failure of his mega rally and the dwindling attendances at the anti mask rallies may be hinting at an enthusiasm drop off. probably why he's being so antagonistic to the Dem mayors and sabre rattling with China.

From my experience of the internet, I'd say his core support is absolutely still there, 30% of the country mostly in rural white states.

The hilarious "lmao meme it for the president" brigade seem to have died a death though, and that probably drove a lot of "lol fuck it let's vote for this guy can you imagine?!" votes from people who didn't care about either candidate but really didn't like Hillary. He's also reduced his base of normal republicans so the total electorate share will go from ~49% to ~44%.

These are my guesses and strictly unscientific. If the economy was still going reasonably and there was no pandemic, he'd be heavy favourite. As it is, I don't think he'll win (and Christ I hope I'm right).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on July 23, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 23, 2020, 03:22:45 PM
Of course, it only actually violates the constitution if the Supreme Court decrees that it does, which the current fascist majority would never do. I'm not sure they have ever ruled against the military/police/executive power. Law and order!

(Thankfully this fascist majority will be cemented in place for a mere 60+ years if Trump wins a second term, a minor inconvenience in the view of some posters on this esteemed forum.)

where does this number come from?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 23, 2020, 06:57:27 PM
the court appointments presumably
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 20, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
It does not clearly contemplate what would happen in the absence of an election. Any law professor acting like there is a definitive answer to this question is ignoring the naked partisanship of the Supreme Court.

You're ignoring that the Supreme Court has gone against White House wishes a lot recently.

You're also ignoring that the only question is who the successors are, not that there would be any. Trump and Pence are out, per the Constitution. That's not going to be up for debate.

The debate will be whether to use the established line of succession (which seems most likely) or some other system based on whatever precedent can be scraped up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 23, 2020, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
You're ignoring that the Supreme Court has gone against White House wishes a lot recently.

You're also ignoring that the only question is who the successors are, not that there would be any. Trump and Pence are out, per the Constitution. That's not going to be up for debate.

The debate will be whether to use the established line of succession (which seems most likely) or some other system based on whatever precedent can be scraped up.

The current Supreme Court will never rule against the White House on an actual substantive issues concerning Republican control of the government. Title VII protections and tax returns are just PR stunts.

Nothing in the constitution says that in the absence of the election the sitting President may not continue in place. It simply does not resolve that question. I can write the Roberts opinion for you right now:

"For purposes of national security there must be a sitting commander in chief at all times, and for this court to simply pick one that was not chosen by the will of the people through the establishment of a non-textual line of secession would be inappropriate. Therefore the sitting president must remain in office until an election is held. (Also we will not review the President's decision to suspend the election, because we lack the competence to rule on such weighty issues of national security such as an unforeseen pandemic)."

Anyway I find all of this incredibly unlikely, I just wanted to point out that simply because something seems completely obvious and rational, and there is widespread consensus from law professors or other experts, it does not actually mean a thing. "The law" in this country is extremely partisan not remotely objective. We are all in the hands of five fascist lunatics.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 23, 2020, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 23, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
where does this number come from?

It's a number I pulled forth from my ass for rhetorical purposes. But the only two members of the current court in their 80s are Ginsburg and Breyer, both of whom may be replaced by the next President. If Trump gets reelected then Clarence Thomas would very likely also retire (because he's strategic, unlike Ginsburg...) Alito could do the same thing even though he's only 70, I believe there were rumours to that effect at one point.

Trump and McConnell would have no problem forcing through judges in their early to mid 40s. (Gorsuch was 49 when appointed. Kavanaugh was 4 years older, but he is a special case because Kennedy specifically (and unethically) handpicked him as his successor).

If all of that happens and we continue to be pessimistic by assuming they all live to be Ginsburg's age, then even if no Republican is ever again elected President, 40 years from now you would still have, at a minimum:

1. Gorsuch
2. Kavanaugh
3. Trump pick
4. Trump pick
5. Trump pick
6. Trump pick

I added an extra 20 years because once you have such a super majority of shit, it is very likely (through the normal ebb and flow of appointments and the more strategic retirement of Republican appointees) that at least a five justice majority would continue for another couple decades.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 23, 2020, 02:16:58 PM
I think anyone dim enough to still support trump is along for the long haul, regardless of the civil liberties they have to overlook on the way.

They don't give a shit. All they care about is "triggering the libs" and fucking up them coloreds. MAGA Gestapo is doing both, so they'll be right behind it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on July 23, 2020, 10:01:41 PM
Nothing in the constitution says that in the absence of the election the sitting President may not continue in place.

It's quite clear about the end of a president's term, regardless of what details you want to throw in. The absence of any talk in the Constitution concerning the lack of an election weights the arguments more towards my line than yours, and since a creaky old white Republican (Chuck Grassley) would be in the running for interim president (assuming line of succession is used, which it probably would be), that reduces right-wing fear of some AOC-led pinko communist vanguard taking the White House.

Grassley takes over as interim president, election is staged for November 2021, Trump steps down to enjoy a nice break and gears up for his possible re-election (probable re-election, even if it gives people time to cool off/Biden to go completely senile).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 24, 2020, 12:35:42 AM
Haven't we pointed out in like 8 seperate threads that hypocrisy doesn't work anymore and it's only the centrist belief that it does (as well as their belief that laws are applied equally and everyone follows them)?
From https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/who-s-behind-trump-s-big-polling-deficit-two-key-n1234605 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/who-s-behind-trump-s-big-polling-deficit-two-key-n1234605)
(https://i.imgur.com/Blfe6ws.png)

Which of course, is also the group which is heavily armed against government overreach and loves the constitution.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on July 24, 2020, 08:09:34 AM
Trump will go, we'll get one term of Biden being almost as senile as him and then the true threat will emerge.

Someone who is willing to weaponise what was Trump's core support. Someone who knows what they're doing, however, not just a narcissistic idiot. Someone competent. Then that will be America's great test.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2020, 08:46:47 AM
Quote from: Alberon on July 24, 2020, 08:09:34 AM
Trump will go, we'll get one term of Biden being almost as senile as him and then the true threat will emerge.

Someone who is willing to weaponise what was Trump's core support. Someone who knows what they're doing, however, not just a narcissistic idiot. Someone competent. Then that will be America's great test.

they've already failed that test
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on July 26, 2020, 09:36:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nDu8jaw.jpg)

Mask Nazis - video (https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1287149358430007298?s=21) in Twitter link

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 26, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: Head Gardener on July 26, 2020, 09:36:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nDu8jaw.jpg)

Mask Nazis - video (https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1287149358430007298?s=21) in Twitter link

I find the drudgery of supermarket shopping just as bleak. Fat man loading his groceries into the trolley, going home to consume and die. Body found encased with Nazi flag, groceries rotting in the kitchen.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on July 26, 2020, 04:16:20 PM

Daughter having outdoor birthday party for her 3 year old. They've  been locked down since JANUARY. 10 kids here + support staff. No masks, everyone inside at times.
Wife holding a fucking baby.
Worst part they don't even have a pot for the COVID POOL.

DEADSOON
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 27, 2020, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 17, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Well, this is a bit terrifying:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are

Miami Marlins now 'vidded up and out of action:

https://www.espn.co.uk/mlb/story/_/id/29546814/sources-marlins-cancel-game-virus-spreads
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 27, 2020, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 27, 2020, 04:32:18 PM
Miami Marlins now 'vidded up and out of action:

https://www.espn.co.uk/mlb/story/_/id/29546814/sources-marlins-cancel-game-virus-spreads

Insert joke about the empty stadium prior to 2020 haha and/or playing 0 games will not impact their season win total.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
I own a Miami Marlins baseball. I have no interest in baseball but I was looking for souvenirs in Miami Airport and it was so holographic and shiny:

(https://i.ibb.co/kSZdNLb/20200728-184822.jpg)

I am due to have a significant birthday next year and had always wanted to go to Las Vegas for it, but that's not going to happen now is it? I can't see the US getting un-fucked anytime soon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on July 28, 2020, 07:04:41 PM
That ball jiggles about and emits Russ Ballard tunes from my tablet
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 28, 2020, 07:20:10 PM
What's the Scottish vegas? Arbroath?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 28, 2020, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
I own a Miami Marlins baseball. I have no interest in baseball but I was looking for souvenirs in Miami Airport and it was so holographic and shiny:

(https://i.ibb.co/kSZdNLb/20200728-184822.jpg)

I am due to have a significant birthday next year and had always wanted to go to Las Vegas for it, but that's not going to happen now is it? I can't see the US getting un-fucked anytime soon.

the Las Vegas mayor is a big time Trump gal and was among the first in the country to end lockdown. delay that birthday by a couple of years i reckon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 28, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
I own a Miami Marlins baseball. I have no interest in baseball but I was looking for souvenirs in Miami Airport and it was so holographic and shiny:

(https://i.ibb.co/kSZdNLb/20200728-184822.jpg)

I am due to have a significant birthday next year and had always wanted to go to Las Vegas for it, but that's not going to happen now is it? I can't see the US getting un-fucked anytime soon.

They have Don "trim those sideburns!" Mattingly managing them, but that's about it for the Marlins (except they also have cool shiny baseballs).

I have friends in Vegas, both have (possibly "had" at this point?) the virus and they're fairly careful. It's a real FUCKDOWN.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on July 28, 2020, 08:52:01 PM
Hearing Jan Hammer now
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 30, 2020, 08:39:09 AM
USA just passed France in Deaths per million population. A pretty significant milestone as the administration were using that back in May to show things weren't so bad.

Brazil will also pass France in the next few days. Nowhere to hide for Bolsanaro and Trump soon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 30, 2020, 08:43:55 AM
Florida to close its coronavirus testing sites from 17:00 local time (22:00 GMT) until further notice due to a tropical storm arriving by the end of the week. I'm assuming they will only be closed for a day or two until it's safe to open them again.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 30, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 30, 2020, 08:39:09 AM
USA just passed France in Deaths per million population. A pretty significant milestone as the administration were using that back in May to show things weren't so bad.

Brazil will also pass France in the next few days. Nowhere to hide for Bolsanaro and Trump soon.

Oz in trouble land, now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 30, 2020, 09:06:10 AM
Also, yesterday saw the largest number of new cases since the start. 290,000
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 30, 2020, 09:33:56 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 30, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
Oz in trouble land, now.

Perhaps that warrants a thread given our antipodean contingent.

All different shades of shit, but there's something about a nation that has gone through New York and New Jersey being hit 4 times as bad as any other nation or state on Earth and still not learning from that.

By contrast Australia seemed to have dealt with it pretty early, and they were never hammered by this in the first place, perhaps complacency has crept in. I imagine they should deal with these new cases at state level/target more locally and see if that makes a difference without having to enforce another nationwide lockdown.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 01, 2020, 05:36:33 PM
Interesting story on how the American healthcare system could be discouraging people from taking a COVID test: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/08/01/coronavirus-texas-COVID-test-charges-emergency-room/

Quote...De Cordova is an attorney who specializes in civil litigation defense and maritime law. She cringes when she's asked to sign away her rights and scrutinizes the fine print. The documents she had been given included disclosures required by recent laws in Texas that try to rein in the billing practices of stand-alone emergency centers like SignatureCare. One said that while the facility would submit its bill to insurance plans, it doesn't have contractual relationships with them, meaning the care would be considered out-of-network. Patients are responsible for any charges not covered by their plan, it said, as well as any copayment, deductible or coinsurance.

The more she read, the more annoyed de Cordova became. SignatureCare charges a "facility fee" for treatment, the document said, ranging "between five hundred dollars and one hundred thousand dollars." Another charge, the "observation fee," could range from $1,000 to $100,000.

De Cordova didn't think her fees for the test could rise into the six figures. But SignatureCare was giving itself leeway to charge almost any amount to her insurance plan — and she could be on the hook. She knew she couldn't sign the document. But that created a problem: She still needed to get her test results.

Even in a public health emergency, what could be considered the first rule of American health care is still in effect: There is no set price. Medical providers often inflate their charges and then give discounts to insurance plans that sign contracts with them. Out-of-network insurers and their members are often left to pay the full tab or whatever discount they can negotiate after the fact...

The Texas Tribune seems like a pretty good paper, btw, it's where I get my news about Texas from.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on August 01, 2020, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on August 01, 2020, 05:36:33 PM
...De Cordova is an attorney who specializes in civil litigation defense and maritime law.

De Cordova in action:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/e/ec/1x16_Altar_Egos_%2814%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20120529054919)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on August 01, 2020, 08:41:10 PM
According to that Worldmeters site over 1400 people died of the coronavirus in the US yesterday.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 01, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
mate's aunt just died from it, apparently another handful of his relatives are in the ICU and not looking great either. poor fucks got infected at a church here then went on vacation to Florida, where they became symptomatic after presumably getting a huge viral load.

this shit is gonna escalate so fucking fast.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Signs in the last week that US keeping a lid on it. Infections and deaths tailing off a bit.

That prediction a few pages back about another New York/NJ occurring seems to have perhaps underestimated that the vast testing program is capturing more cases, whereas in NY/NJ back in April they had no idea just how fast and far the infections had spread. If a similar testing program was in place you'd have seen similar figures, I'd suggest. Not to mention that there is now widespread awareness regarding distancing, increased mask wearing and so forth.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 08, 2020, 12:49:33 PM

Our main auto parts supplier with 4x/day delivery got the covid in local warehouse and has shut down. RIP just in time inventory and I probably shouldn't have been licking all those brake linings.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 08, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Signs in the last week that US keeping a lid on it. Infections and deaths tailing off a bit.

That prediction a few pages back about another New York/NJ occurring seems to have perhaps underestimated that the vast testing program is capturing more cases, whereas in NY/NJ back in April they had no idea just how fast and far the infections had spread. If a similar testing program was in place you'd have seen similar figures, I'd suggest. Not to mention that there is now widespread awareness regarding distancing, increased mask wearing and so forth.

I know Florida closed some testing sites ahead of the hurricane which has probably contributed to their lower numbers the past few days, not sure if any other state has. The next big challenge for the USA - as for the UK - will come with school reopenings for those districts where education won't remain online only. Did anyone see those pictures from the school in Georgia where there was no social distancing and very few children wore masks?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 08, 2020, 02:12:20 PM
the drop in numbers in the USA directly correlates with all numbers going directly to the government for massaging, unfortunately. now with schools reopening, the turbofucking is about to begin.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 08, 2020, 02:16:44 PM
restaurants in the midsize Midwest city where I live are jam packed again, servers coming down with the COVID left right and centre, management don't give a fuck, employees have to keep working as there's no unemployment.

something has to give soon
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 08, 2020, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on August 08, 2020, 02:12:20 PM
the drop in numbers in the USA directly correlates with all numbers going directly to the government for massaging, unfortunately. now with schools reopening, the turbofucking is about to begin.

Yes, don't believe the numbers if they are handled by the government.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 08, 2020, 04:10:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xAkDKR6.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 08, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
good one blod
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on August 10, 2020, 06:50:54 PM
Trump repeatedly sidelining the CDC, probably the world's best institution for this kind of stuff, is just incredible isn't it. What did they do to him? Tell him the truth?

How did he not get that the virus was such a big threat to his reelection and he had a chance to "finally become President" in the eyes of credulous centrists who are desperate to normalise him by simply doing his fucking job and keeping Americans safe.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on August 10, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 08, 2020, 04:10:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xAkDKR6.png)

What is the source of this image
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on August 10, 2020, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on August 10, 2020, 06:50:54 PM
Trump repeatedly sidelining the CDC, probably the world's best institution for this kind of stuff, is just incredible isn't it. What did they do to him? Tell him the truth?

How did he not get that the virus was such a big threat to his reelection and he had a chance to "finally become President" in the eyes of credulous centrists who are desperate to normalise him by simply doing his fucking job and keeping Americans safe.

Yeah, if he had a fucking clue he'd be really dangerous. All that mattered to him was winning each day as it came, and the result is that he's lost the year.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 10, 2020, 09:46:29 PM
Wife got word this week they will work from home until January, at least.
They've been doing 6 week projections so she was prepared to hear mid-september.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on August 10, 2020, 10:06:20 PM
Hundreds in South Dakota risking Covid in order to see Smash Mouth live. Pure desolation.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on August 10, 2020, 10:12:24 PM
thoughts and prayers for our US cabbers
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on August 11, 2020, 12:45:52 AM
For the first time since the start of the pandemic, all of Toronto Health's indicators are green, so that's nice. (https://public.tableau.com/profile/tphseu#!/vizhome/TorontoCOVID-19MonitoringDashboard/MainReportCardPublic)

Very surprised they've decided to send kids back to school next month though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Roofdog on August 11, 2020, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: Alberon on August 10, 2020, 07:39:43 PM
Yeah, if he had a fucking clue he'd be really dangerous. All that mattered to him was winning each day as it came, and the result is that he's lost the year.

Bleak as fuck to think that if the pandemic had hit 6-7 months later his insane initial reaction would probably have got him over the line in November though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 11, 2020, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on August 11, 2020, 12:45:52 AM
For the first time since the start of the pandemic, all of Toronto Health's indicators are green, so that's nice. (https://public.tableau.com/profile/tphseu#!/vizhome/TorontoCOVID-19MonitoringDashboard/MainReportCardPublic)

Very surprised they've decided to send kids back to school next month though.

Me leaving was the seventh seal of green indicators.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 11, 2020, 05:56:19 PM
Me leaving was the seventh seal of green indicators.

Have you left for good?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 11, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 08:49:01 PM
Have you left for good?

Yup, I'm one of those coastal elites you hear about now. Moved to (covid-free) Nova Scotia last week.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A. pets edition
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 11, 2020, 10:09:34 PM
Quote


Dr. Ellen Behrend, acting director of Auburn University's Veterinary Teaching Hospitals and the Joezy Griffin Professor in the College of Veterinary Medicine's Department of Clinical Sciences, offers advice for keeping your pets healthy. BY AUBURN UNIVERSITY

The first dog confirmed to have the coronavirus in North Carolina has died, state officials said.

An investigation is ongoing into the dog's health at the time it became sick and its cause of death, according to a press release.

"Right now, there's not a definitive cause of death," said Dr. Steve Marks, associate dean and director of veterinary medical services for the NC State University Veterinary Hospital, in an interview with The News & Observer.   



https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244878482.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on August 11, 2020, 10:20:08 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 11, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Yup, I'm one of those coastal elites you hear about now. Moved to (covid-free) Nova Scotia last week.

That was fast! I'll be out your way in a couple of months, we'll have to beer.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on August 11, 2020, 10:20:08 PM
That was fast! I'll be out your way in a couple of months, we'll have to beer.

I'll pop over on the boat. Leaving next week.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on August 11, 2020, 10:27:29 PM
That would be lovely, big long boat ride.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 11, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on August 11, 2020, 10:20:08 PM
That was fast! I'll be out your way in a couple of months, we'll have to beer.

Absolutely, I'll know where the decent bars are by then (probably).

Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 10:21:48 PM
I'll pop over on the boat. Leaving next week.

It's a port town, but that is the extent of my knowledge about how boats work.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 11, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
Absolutely, I'll know where the decent bars are by then (probably).

It's a port town, but that is the extent of my knowledge about how boats work.

So this is for good? Is your company in the town too? or have you quit big finance?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 11, 2020, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 11:01:23 PM
So this is for good? Is your company in the town too? or have you quit big finance?

Will PM to avoid turning this thread into a "comings and goings of ferris" blog
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 11, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 11, 2020, 11:08:27 PM
Will PM to avoid turning this thread into a "comings and goings of ferris" blog

Like every other thread, amirite?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 12, 2020, 02:02:41 AM
Did you buy an island, FWB?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 12, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 12, 2020, 02:02:41 AM
Did you buy an island, FWB?

Wife insists we sort a long-term dwelling out for us and our child first. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 12, 2020, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 12, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
Wife insists we sort a long-term dwelling out for us and our child first. Ridiculous.

I hope he soon gets his own paper round in the sleepy town. Adventures await.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 13, 2020, 09:29:32 PM
well, Senate have fucked off til September, no more financial aid coming anytime soon. we have $200 in the bank, wife gets $120 a week in unemployment. no clue how we're going to pay rent. we're not even as bad off as many people since we've been stockpiling food for months now but there is absolutely no way our bills are getting paid this month.

total fuckdown imminent. expecting riots basically any day now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 13, 2020, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on August 13, 2020, 09:29:32 PM
well, Senate have fucked off til September, no more financial aid coming anytime soon. we have $200 in the bank, wife gets $120 a week in unemployment. no clue how we're going to pay rent. we're not even as bad off as many people since we've been stockpiling food for months now but there is absolutely no way our bills are getting paid this month.

total fuckdown imminent. expecting riots basically any day now.

Sounds frightening. What neo-georgian gig economy prospects are there?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 14, 2020, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 13, 2020, 11:08:49 PM
Sounds frightening. What neo-georgian gig economy prospects are there?

Uber/Lyft/general delivery is out due to our car being incredibly unreliable. haven't really been able to scrounge up anything. we both worked in the service industry and there's just absolutely nothing there. small businesses too so there's every likelihood they'll shut up shop any day now anyway.

hoping i can bum a few hundred dollars from my parents to cover rent so we don't get evicted this month at least but i have no idea what our long term prospects are. there's food banks around so we won't starve but it's summer and our AC is running non stop so our electric bill is fucking insane.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on August 14, 2020, 04:08:56 AM
Whereabouts are you?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on August 14, 2020, 04:10:15 AM
Could turn the air conditioning off for a bit maybe.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 14, 2020, 04:34:05 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on August 13, 2020, 09:29:32 PM
well, Senate have fucked off til September, no more financial aid coming anytime soon. we have $200 in the bank, wife gets $120 a week in unemployment. no clue how we're going to pay rent. we're not even as bad off as many people since we've been stockpiling food for months now but there is absolutely no way our bills are getting paid this month.

total fuckdown imminent. expecting riots basically any day now.

Sorry DB, that is fucked.

The fact that the Senate is just going on vacation in the middle of all this is truly insane, even by American standards.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 14, 2020, 08:30:39 AM
what? on holiday? fuck sake, Sorry to hear this DB.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 14, 2020, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on August 14, 2020, 04:08:56 AM
Whereabouts are you?

the homeland of our glorious psycho freak, Mike Pence

Quote from: bgmnts on August 14, 2020, 04:10:15 AM
Could turn the air conditioning off for a bit maybe.

been trying it late at night/early morning for a couple of hours but the humidity is what gets us. house is basically uninhabitable after 10am without AC.

i shouldn't really be surprised at the Senate taking a 3 week holiday with this happening all over the country but i did think they wouldn't want things to entirely collapse.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 14, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 14, 2020, 08:30:39 AM
what? on holiday? fuck sake, Sorry to hear this DB.
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 14, 2020, 04:34:05 AM
Sorry DB, that is fucked.

The fact that the Senate is just going on vacation in the middle of all this is truly insane, even by American standards.

cheers. can't even bring myself to be too upset by the whole thing. would mostly just like to cave in McConnell's turkey neck with a roofing hammer to satisfy my latent rage but that seems unlikely, at least for now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 14, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
What's better, a/c costs in a warm climate or heating bills in a cold one? (I have no idea, so genuine question)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 14, 2020, 01:53:41 PM
temperatures pushing 30-31 where dog botherer is, more importantly humidity in high 80s. rationed a/c
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 14, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
A/C is the choice every time. we have loads of blankets and clothes, our power bill should drop substantially over the next few months, assuming we still live here i guess
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 14, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 14, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
What's better, a/c costs in a warm climate or heating bills in a cold one? (I have no idea, so genuine question)

Definitely A/C. Although you pretty much have to have it on 24/7 in summer in the US. Lived in an apartment in Chicago with no A/C and it was 35-40c for about 2 months, absolute torture. Can't even open the windows, and fans just blow hot air onto you.

Once shared a house with a bloke who would have the heating on all the time (and worked from home) and would walk around the place in shorts and a t-shirt. Then would grumble about having to pay his share of the bills.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 14, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
No A/C in Montana, window facing the sun for most of the day. I just slept in the shared bath. There is always a solution.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 14, 2020, 09:50:36 PM
Electricity was $275 for July with menopausal wife wfh and AC set to "never want to see a scrotum again"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on August 14, 2020, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 14, 2020, 01:53:41 PM
more importantly humidity
Good man.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 14, 2020, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 14, 2020, 09:50:36 PM
Electricity was $275 for July with menopausal wife wfh and AC set to "never want to see a scrotum again"

The only good thing about living in a tiny apartment was the climate control was spot on because there was fuck all cubic feet of climate to control.

In a larger place now and the air conditioning is complete shit, I'm sweating like a nonce in gen-pop and we can't use the oven or it becomes unbearable.

Shit one for DB, hope he sorts it. Have a look at a portable AC machine, they're not bad and those big box stores will have sales on now maybe?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 14, 2020, 10:05:18 PM
The ones that have the flex duct to port the warm air from the condensor outside really are pretty nice.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 14, 2020, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 14, 2020, 10:05:18 PM
The ones that have the flex duct to port the warm air from the condensor outside really are pretty nice.

I'm sitting next to just such a beast right now, it's been on full speed since Monday.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 14, 2020, 11:06:42 PM
it's okay guys! the election is in 10 weeks so then Biden can get down to Building Back Better™ while Kamala cools down the nation with her WAP!!!































dead soon
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 15, 2020, 12:21:43 PM

They did a fun Friday story about WAP on NPR yesterday with the urban culture desk reporter. 4 minutes of the story we can't tell you about. Cringey.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: idunnosomename on August 15, 2020, 03:08:39 PM
Maybe Pelosi will do a nice sarcastic clap at the Orange Man in Chief to cool you down!!!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 24, 2020, 04:01:37 PM
The RNC has started in North Carolina. A local reporter reckons about 50% of the people on the convention floor have been wearing masks. I'm surprised it's that high, given the attitude of Republican Party supporters to coronavirus.

With 300 to 400 people attending, I imagine this event will help spread corona in NC, especially as a lot of the attendees will be eating out after the convention.


Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on August 24, 2020, 06:39:36 PM
I dunno, I think the GOP lot are a bit squeamish about oral sex, given their response to WAP.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 24, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
57% of Republican voters think that 177,000 coronavirus deaths is ACCEPTABLE

10% of Democrats.

In Indiana, camping out on state land as part of a protest is now a felony.

(thanks the The Damage Report for this enlightenment).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: momatt on August 27, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 14, 2020, 10:05:18 PM
The ones that have the flex duct to port the warm air from the condensor outside really are pretty nice.
Any other type won't work very well.  The heat has to go somewhere.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on August 27, 2020, 03:58:38 PM
Really if you have a portable one you want one with an intake and an output hose - the ones with only the output hose are sucking warm air into the room so their efficiency sucks. I've not actually seen two hose versions for sale in the UK.

But if you're in the US, window fitted ones are efficient and put all the noisy bits outside.

Sorry, Technology Connections did a video on portable air conditioners and I've been trying to convince work to buy me one.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 15, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Probably going to pass the 200K threshold today in the US.

The bad news doesn't stop there, in the next few weeks the deaths per million, Trump's favoured metric, is about to pass the UK. Our brief stint as a Covid superpower snuffed out like the fag end of the British Empire.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 15, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
I wonder in America the numbers of people who copped for a severe dose of it, survived, but are going to have lasting serious health issues due to not being able to afford proper health care.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on September 16, 2020, 02:42:04 AM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 15, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
I wonder in America the numbers of people who copped for a severe dose of it, survived, but are going to have lasting serious health issues due to not being able to afford proper health care.
If the figure of about 30% of COVID patients continuing to suffer symptoms months after infection are correct, then let's be conservative and say 10% of those are rather serious (reduced lung capacity, cognitive impairment) that's 6.7 million cases * 0.3 * 0.1 = 200k people requiring care and taken out of the workforce. At the moment.

I reckon that if it goes like this, the calls for universal health care will get very loud indeed
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 16, 2020, 08:10:07 AM
If only. An absurd % of those people currently uninsured with no means to access healthcare decry all attempts to introduce universal coverage as socialism due to having been inculcated with hyper-partisan political propaganda for so long.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on September 16, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
Trump has claimed he never underplayed the severity of the pandemic a couple of days after interviews were published where he claimed he underplayed the severity of the pandemic.

He's gone on to say that 195,000 dead is actually pretty good going and without his leadership it would be in the millions. He's also repeated the claim the virus will go away on its own, with or without a vaccine, due to 'Herd Mentality'.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 16, 2020, 05:55:01 PM
There should be an 'Overton Window' phrase for how the Right manage expectations down and down, lower and lower, until you're thankful the country isn't surrounded by rising pools of lava and your legs are still attached - ("and anyway it would be even worse with the Left in charge")
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 17, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
QuoteThe US Post Office (USPS) had planned to send 650 million reusable cotton face masks to Americans - roughly five per household - back in April, according to documents obtained by the Washington Post though a Freedom of Information Act request.

But the plan was axed by White House officials who felt it would create a panic among Americans, an unnamed White House official told the Post.

"There was concern from some in the White House Domestic Policy Council and the office of the vice president that households receiving masks might create concern or panic," the official said.

It would have made a big difference, especially since the poorest Americans might not be able to afford masks.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 17, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/9/17/06f95374-5819-489e-b0e5-cd9df86026f3.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 19, 2020, 10:32:39 AM
Bar in West Melbourne, Florida bans people from wearing masks: https://www.fox35orlando.com/video/851483?fbclid=IwAR1N3U94XXiBSzu05O9db3CMFAqt6k6HGv-dwQc1ExxTMmXh3fzQSR4sDrc

I imagine a load of people from outside West Melbourne will come to his bar to "support" his policy and spread Coronavirus further.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on September 30, 2020, 04:48:56 PM
big spikes here now. nurses saying things have never been this bad here before. friend couldn't get her grandmother into a hospital because "covid is running rampant through it".

FUCKDOWN INCOMING

she got her granny in elsewhere, she's grand.


FOR NOO
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on September 30, 2020, 05:26:24 PM
At this rate the US will be doing well if there aren't quarter of a million dead by election day.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on September 30, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
if we get through winter without hitting half a mil we'll be doing incredible.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on September 30, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
Anyone else reading The Day of the Dead or The Screwfly Solution?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 30, 2020, 07:24:55 PM
From Florida, which has just allowed resturants and bars to open at 100% capacity. Deaths are still very high.

QuotePINELLAS COUNTY, Fla. – The COVID-19 community testing site at the Mahaffey Theater in St. Petersburg is set to close Friday in response to preparations for the Grand Prix.

Pinellas County and partner agencies are working to shift the community testing operations to a new location, which will be announced once logistics are finalized.

The state-run antibody testing at the Mahaffey will also end with the site closure on Friday and will not be available at the new location.

Maybe keep the testing centre open with the antibody testing and postpone the Grand Prix? Especially as large events aren't safe at the moment.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 30, 2020, 11:00:08 PM
Still 100+ deaths from covid per day in Florida.

Yeah reopen restaurants full, pack them in, wipe them off the map
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 01, 2020, 03:46:42 AM
Republicans more likely to vote in person, so yeah - a nice big murderwave through the retirement communities out there would be great. Total boomer gravedown. Abject geriatric ventastrophe.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Attila on October 01, 2020, 05:45:09 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on September 30, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
Anyone else reading The Day of the Dead or The Screwfly Solution?

I just finished Day of the Dead.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 01, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: Attila on October 01, 2020, 05:45:09 AM
I just finished Day of the Dead.

I meant the Living Dead, is there a book called Day of the Dead?

Screwfly Solution is great - similar theme, but instead of zombies, its MEN wiping out females across the planet, told from the point of view of a scientist tasked with eradicating the screwfly in pretty much the same way.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Attila on October 02, 2020, 06:04:52 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on October 01, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
I meant the Living Dead, is there a book called Day of the Dead?



Gah - yeah, I meant that latest novel!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sin Agog on October 02, 2020, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on October 01, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
I meant the Living Dead, is there a book called Day of the Dead?

Screwfly Solution is great - similar theme, but instead of zombies, its MEN wiping out females across the planet, told from the point of view of a scientist tasked with eradicating the screwfly in pretty much the same way.

Yeah, humongous fan of James Tiptree Jr/Alice Sheldon here.  Always grimly amused by the fact that so many of her readers saw her as a bastion of composed masculinity before she came out as a woman and they realised it was all bitterly ironic.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 09, 2020, 09:02:29 PM
QuoteMississippians will not be required to wear masks as they enter polling places on Election Day—but poll workers may ask masked voters to momentarily remove their masks to verify their identities. The mask rules are part of a set of COVID-19 "Polling Place Safety" rules that Mississippi Secretary of State Michael Watson's office formalized this week.

"A voter, who is not wearing personal protective equipment, must not be barred entry into the polling place due to his/her failure to wear personal protective equipment," the Oct. 5 polling place safety rules read.

Watson, a Republican, first previewed the updated rules during a press conference on Oct. 2.

"No one can be forced to wear a mask to vote. That is unconstitutional," Watson claimed, vowing to ensure polling places would be "clean, safe environments."..
https://www.mississippifreepress.org/6058/mississippi-officials-may-ask-voters-to-remove-masks-for-photo-id-check-face-coverings-not-required-at-polls/

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on October 10, 2020, 07:54:14 PM
Obviously because the mortality rate is so low and its a relatively mild virus, people are alright whinging and going on protests and being a thick spreading cunt. But I wonder if this was a virus with a mortality rate like Ebola or Marburg, that killed a lot more people in the under 65 category, would these cunts still think being sensible is unconstitutional?

There probably would be still some people out and about wouldn't there?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on October 10, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on October 09, 2020, 09:02:29 PM
https://www.mississippifreepress.org/6058/mississippi-officials-may-ask-voters-to-remove-masks-for-photo-id-check-face-coverings-not-required-at-polls/

I certainly remember the clause in the constitution about not having to wear a mask to vote. Clear as day.

Why is the GOP bothering to try and depress turnout in a shithole like Mississippi? They'd vote for a fencepost with "Republican" written on it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on October 10, 2020, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on October 10, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
I certainly remember the clause in the constitution about not having to wear a mask to vote. Clear as day.

Why is the GOP bothering to try and depress turnout in a shithole like Mississippi? They'd vote for a fencepost with "Republican" written on it.

population is almost 40% african american. trump is not popular in that demographic, even by republican standards.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: peanutbutter on October 10, 2020, 10:09:10 PM
Mississippi seems like the sort of place where people are so totally repressed that the fear from GOP would be that the slightest hint of hope would lead to a full on revolution.


It's probably the easiest place to test their luck bringing in new horrific shit before adopting it in other states too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on October 11, 2020, 09:45:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KrqOxFe.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 11, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
sorry, but *shrugs*
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 11, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
Made laugh a bit.

EDIT: New page chuckle cunt.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 11, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on October 11, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
Made laugh a bit.

EDIT: New page chuckle cunt.

I bet it was a dead mouthed laugh. Hardly the sucker punch to the stomach laugh one would get back in the day. Just bland and obvious. The smirk of an elderly gentlemen watching elderly peers slipping on a patch of black ice for weeks on end.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 11, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
Elderly people fainting at a Pence superspreader event. Mainly maskless, no social distancing but outside: https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1315015264937926657

Given the person tweeting this works for the Borisgraph, I wonder how she feels about her paper's attitude towards covid, especially Bob.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on October 11, 2020, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on October 11, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
I bet it was a dead mouthed laugh. Hardly the sucker punch to the stomach laugh one would get back in the day. Just bland and obvious. The smirk of an elderly gentlemen watching elderly peers slipping on a patch of black ice for weeks on end.

I chuckled.

They're all really thick. But the the T and P know at least they are on the outside, and must be opposite each other. The U has only one job, to be in the middle, so he's sorted. However, the R and M know their places by process of elimination, but both of them think they're in the right spot, one in from the outside. So we can say for sure that the R and the M don't know how cameras work. The T and the P might know how cameras work, or they must just have got lucky. As for the U, we'll never know. Although I think it's worth speculating that he may be the dimmest by virtue of the fact they made him the U in the first place.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 11, 2020, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on October 11, 2020, 05:26:30 PM
I chuckled.

They're all really thick. But the the T and P know at least they are on the outside, and must be opposite each other. The U has only one job, to be in the middle, so he's sorted. However, the R and M know their places by process of elimination, but both of them think they're in the right spot, one in from the outside. So we can say for sure that the R and the M don't know how cameras work. The T and the P might know how cameras work, or they must just have got lucky. As for the U, we'll never know. Although I think it's worth speculating that he may be the dimmest by virtue of the fact they made him the U in the first place.

Berger fans apparently

(https://i.ibb.co/k8JvBsh/Screenshot-2020-10-11-at-21-41-37.png) (https://ibb.co/9ThSgkq)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 16, 2020, 07:19:34 PM
Bearing in mind that a few people have had Covid twice, and we don't know how long people who have had Covid have immunity afterwards, this was a really daft thing to do:

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1314926333462548480

(Rand Paul with arm around young cancer survivor in ghastly American flag suit).


Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on October 16, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
I'd like you to show me a nicer American flag suit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Kelvin on October 17, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
This is surreal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lq04YJPLs&t

Games commentator, Greg Miller, and Star Wars: Rogue One writer, Gary Whitta, host the first tour around Joe Biden's Official Animal Crossing Island, as created by someone on Biden's campaign team. It's obviously incredibly cringeworthy, but also an insight into how they target younger voters. 
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 17, 2020, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Kelvin on October 17, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
This is surreal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lq04YJPLs&t

Games commentator, Greg Miller, and Star Wars: Rogue One writer, Gary Whitta, host the first tour around Joe Biden's Official Animal Crossing Island, as created by someone on Biden's campaign team. It's obviously incredibly cringeworthy, but also an insight into how they target younger voters.

Adults. Are these people like those men who like My Little Pony and dress in furry costumes?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 17, 2020, 02:53:35 PM
Astonishingly, young women vote too. But the game is fun enough for anyone. Not something to get upset over other people playing if you've passed puberty.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on October 17, 2020, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: Kelvin on October 17, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
This is surreal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lq04YJPLs&t

Games commentator, Greg Miller, and Star Wars: Rogue One writer, Gary Whitta, host the first tour around Joe Biden's Official Animal Crossing Island, as created by someone on Biden's campaign team. It's obviously incredibly cringeworthy, but also an insight into how they target younger voters.

I thought they would be taking the piss out of it or at least go in open-minded but going by opening comments those commentators are super honored to be commenting on the Democrat conservatives mind warping of children.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 17, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on October 17, 2020, 02:53:35 PM
Astonishingly, young women vote too. But the game is fun enough for anyone. Not something to get upset over other people playing if you've passed puberty.

It should remain a game, not a tool for Neo-liberal madmen to indoctrinate the goggle eyed and the young.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on October 17, 2020, 06:21:51 PM
AOC is BIG in Animal Crossing - could be an appeal to the left
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 17, 2020, 06:31:51 PM
I bet Biden would support tax breaks for Tom Nook.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: EOLAN on October 17, 2020, 08:47:48 PM
It was more so the commentary (well the Introduction) which I found extremely nauseating.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on October 22, 2020, 09:20:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IuGpH1F.jpg)

https://markmanson.net/10-things-most-americans-dont-know (https://markmanson.net/10-things-most-americans-dont-know)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on October 22, 2020, 11:00:13 AM
Almost going to break 100K in a day! USA! USA!
(https://i.imgur.com/DwsCblq.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 22, 2020, 01:01:15 PM
It seemed they were getting cases down for a while. What caused it to spike up again. Do they run the same school year as most of Europe?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on October 22, 2020, 02:32:12 PM
schools, colder weather, 95% non compliance with masks and social distancing in many areas. inevitable.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Glebe on October 25, 2020, 11:46:01 PM
https://i.imgur.com/WB1LmEw.mp4
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Bazooka on October 26, 2020, 08:37:42 AM
Quote from: Cuellar on October 17, 2020, 06:21:51 PM
AOC is BIG in Animal Crossing - could be an appeal to the left

Big soy appeal.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 26, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
QuoteBISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — North Dakota officials voted to repurpose $221 million in federal coronavirus aid to various state agencies, including a $16-million grant to oil companies in support of the fracking process.

The North Dakota Emergency Commission approved the plan Friday, the Bismarck Tribune reported.

The money comes from the $1.25 billion awarded to the state through the Coronavirus Relief Fund established by the federal CARES Act.

The Oil and Gas Division plans to award the $16-million grant to oil companies for acquiring and disposing of water used in the hydraulic fracturing process, in which water, sand and chemicals are injected underground to crack rock and release oil...

(Via Associated Press)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/north-dakota-coronavirus-aid-fracking-025031927.html

Why doesn't federal coronavirus aid come with restrictions to prevent this?

Cases in North Dakota are currently shooting up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: sirhenry on October 26, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on October 26, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
Why doesn't federal coronavirus aid come with restrictions to prevent this?
Because if they gave the money to the poor people who need medicine, they'd just spend it on drugs.

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on October 26, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
Cases in North Dakota are currently shooting up.
Told you so.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 26, 2020, 09:52:33 PM
QuoteBecause if they gave the money to the poor people who need medicine, they'd just spend it on drugs.

Smirked.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on October 27, 2020, 05:25:54 AM
Quote from: Head Gardener on October 22, 2020, 09:20:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IuGpH1F.jpg)

https://markmanson.net/10-things-most-americans-dont-know (https://markmanson.net/10-things-most-americans-dont-know)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1299336651605327872/agO_gxQJ.jpg)

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/90e4f68936833bf1f0b2f88abb46691b6e996adc/0_1613_4800_4222/master/4800.jpg?width=445&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=6eadc75e18b69ba3aa8a5ef2f4e27b2b)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 28, 2020, 07:03:02 PM
Trump spreading covid in Nebraska: https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1321303111273746434
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 28, 2020, 08:02:39 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on October 28, 2020, 07:03:02 PM
Trump spreading covid in Nebraska: https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1321303111273746434

Sadly, symptoms won't show up in time to stop them reaching the polls.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on October 28, 2020, 08:39:44 PM
At one of his airport rallies, the shuttles back to the parking area didn't run/were never hired and 4000 people froze to death had to walk in the cold.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on October 28, 2020, 10:30:01 PM
On that:

https://twitter.com/omaha_scanner/status/1321269156495429634

And scroll down. Updates from police etc. radio, I assume.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on October 28, 2020, 10:41:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kHocGqM.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPn6fT6BrcQ)

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on October 29, 2020, 06:09:32 PM
why is she in clown make up
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on October 29, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
She'd look ridiculous just sitting there without it next to this:

(https://i.imgur.com/olVO1oJ.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on October 29, 2020, 06:35:38 PM
what the, what's the context there?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on October 29, 2020, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on October 28, 2020, 10:41:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kHocGqM.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPn6fT6BrcQ)

Either the guy on the right can't count or he thinks the death toll is seven higher.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 30, 2020, 08:07:05 PM
I really hope Trump loses in a landslide. He has done more than anyone to put Americans at risk of dying of coronavirus.

Waterford Township, Michigan rally:

Trump pushes a baseless conspiracy that greedy American health care workers are overcounting coronavirus deaths: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1322244181037821954

Trump makes a bunch of irresponsible claims about coronavirus: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1322244571506552833

This man has the blood of 210,000 dead Americans on his hand, and he's probably responsible for some deaths in other countries, if people in other countries who sympathises with his views have listened to his COVID lies and not taken protection.

Not a big fan of Biden, but I'd take him over the world's biggest Covidiot any day. In fact Trump is more than a Covidiot, he knows what he says is a lie. He's the number one super spreader. Absolute arsehole of a man.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 30, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
You are a fan of Biden?!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on October 30, 2020, 11:34:04 PM
what
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on October 30, 2020, 11:54:11 PM
how about we get both of them to lay on the ground side by side and run them both over with a steam roller and whichever cunts eyes pop out first gets to be prez
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on October 31, 2020, 03:26:02 AM
100,000 CASES IN 24 HOURS KLAXON

(https://i.imgur.com/Z9n8j73.gif)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on October 31, 2020, 07:15:54 AM
(https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/900/https://media.salon.com/2020/05/donald-trump-mission-accomplished-0505201.jpg)
(https://cropper.watch.aetnd.com/cdn.watch.aetnd.com/sites/2/2018/05/ask-bald-eagle-iStock_000017215186Large.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on November 01, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
QuoteA rigorous attempt to gauge the after-effects of 18 of the president's reelection rallies, all held in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, suggests they have led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.

Those casualties would not have occurred if the campaign events had not taken place, according to a team of Stanford researchers...

Those numbers are going to go up as he continues to hold more rallies.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: I.D. Smith on November 01, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: Kelvin on October 17, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
This is surreal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lq04YJPLs&t

Games commentator, Greg Miller, and Star Wars: Rogue One writer, Gary Whitta, host the first tour around Joe Biden's Official Animal Crossing Island, as created by someone on Biden's campaign team. It's obviously incredibly cringeworthy, but also an insight into how they target younger voters.

It's a complete side issue, but was quite shocked to see that it's the same Gary Whitta that used to do games reviews on Gamesmaster on Channel 4 in the early 90s. I know people live lives and go on to do other things, but just weird seeing him in that context (and also being involved in films like Rogue One etc)

Obviously quite shocked to see the continued state of the world too, goes without saying.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Captain Z on November 01, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D554/production/_112421645_floatingcorpseofeagle.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 02, 2020, 05:25:44 AM
Don't forget this on-the-nose real-world metaphor from 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/battling-bald-eagles-plunge-into-florida-storm-drain-along-with-flurry-of-mostly-anti-trump-metaphors/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on November 02, 2020, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: I.D. Smith on November 01, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
It's a complete side issue, but was quite shocked to see that it's the same Gary Whitta that used to do games reviews on Gamesmaster on Channel 4 in the early 90s. I know people live lives and go on to do other things, but just weird seeing him in that context (and also being involved in films like Rogue One etc)

Obviously quite shocked to see the continued state of the world too, goes without saying.

I have the same reaction when I see PC Gamer's Kieron Gillen writing actual comics about actual Star Wars for actual Marvel.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on November 02, 2020, 10:46:07 AM
I have that reaction when I see Amiga Power's Stuart Campbell being a massive fucking cunt.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on November 02, 2020, 11:58:38 AM
I remember when Charlie Brooker would write abusive replies to readers' letters in PC Zone
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 03, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on November 02, 2020, 10:15:15 AM
I have the same reaction when I see PC Gamer's Kieron Gillen writing actual comics about actual Star Wars for actual Marvel.

Aka Amiga Power reader C-Monster.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on November 07, 2020, 03:28:26 PM
Trump's chief of staff has tested positive for coronavirus, and didn't issue a statement:

Quote...A small circle of people were aware earlier in the week that Meadows had become infected but were told to keep it quiet, several people said.

The White House Medical Unit conducted contact tracing during the latest outbreak, according to people familiar with the matter. Throughout the pandemic, the unit's guidance for contract tracing has been to reach out to people in close proximity with the infected person for 15 minutes or more, within 48 hours of the diagnosis.

That excluded many aides who had crossed paths with Meadows at large events around Election Day, including a visit to campaign headquarters on Tuesday and a party at the White House that night.


Photos of the events showed few people wearing masks. Meadows, who has seldom worn a mask, was not seen wearing one on Tuesday.

He spent time upstairs in the White House residence on Tuesday with Trump's family, including all of his adult children, according to people familiar with the matter. He helped persuade Trump to deliver brief remarks to the country at 2:30 a.m. from the White House East Room. Meadows attended the speech, where the president claimed he had won the election before races had been called in key battleground states where votes were still being counted.

Meadows returned to campaign headquarters on Wednesday, again without wearing a mask, two people familiar with the situation said...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-07/trump-s-chief-of-staff-mark-meadows-infected-by-coronavirus?sref=yYYRek8e
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 07, 2020, 03:33:16 PM
Centrists just called. Fuckdown U.S.A. thread to be closed when Biden sworn in.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 07, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Biden is fortunate he won't take office til the New Year. This next 8 weeks is going to be horrific, FUCKDOWN across the land.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 07, 2020, 03:51:50 PM
dead soon

sent from my GRAVE
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 11, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 07, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Biden is fortunate he won't take office til the New Year. This next 8 weeks is going to be horrific, FUCKDOWN across the land.

Just the 140k new cases today, no big deal. Will be at a quarter million dead in a week's time.

The apathy among the US public about what an utter FUCKDOWN this has been at the federal level is astonishing.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 12, 2020, 01:50:06 PM
lol everyone distracted by the election is now realizing that we're turbo COVIDfucked
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 12, 2020, 03:14:03 PM
142,000! WILL WE HIT 200,000 A DAY BY THE END OF THE WEEK? WE'LL DO OUR FUCKING ABSOLUTE BEST!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 12, 2020, 11:54:57 PM
One of the NY restrictions is no more than 10 people to meet indoors. Way to go.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 13, 2020, 12:44:39 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 12, 2020, 11:54:57 PM
One of the NY restrictions is no more than 10 people to meet indoors. Way to go.

Don't tread on Americans' freedom (to roll into a mass grave)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 13, 2020, 11:47:46 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 12, 2020, 11:54:57 PM
One of the NY restrictions is no more than 10 people to meet indoors. Way to go.

that's cute. it's 50 here. and you can get a dispensation for larger events from the health department.

bars and restaurants still at full capacity. the death mill must churn on.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on November 14, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
When you say full capacity, does that exclude measures like pubs and restaurants in the UK took? i.e. packed in like it was 2019?

I don't know how many people work in the Secret Service, but the Washington Post reports that more than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump's campaign travel.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 14, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on November 12, 2020, 03:14:03 PM
142,000! WILL WE HIT 200,000 A DAY BY THE END OF THE WEEK? WE'LL DO OUR FUCKING ABSOLUTE BEST!

181k yesterday. Could be on for the big 200 in a week.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 14, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on November 14, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
181k yesterday. Could be on for the big 200 in a week.

hahahaha i wish. it'll be 200k by Tuesday at the absolute fucking latest. it's exponential baby.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 14, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on November 14, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
When you say full capacity, does that exclude measures like pubs and restaurants in the UK took? i.e. packed in like it was 2019.

nah full death cult. some places like where i used to work have slashed staff, opening hours, customer numbers in an attempt to try and open safely, most places are just going full bore cash grab.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on November 14, 2020, 07:18:55 PM
But Trump said it would go away when Biden won the election because it's all a hoax!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 14, 2020, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on November 14, 2020, 07:18:55 PM
But Trump said it would go away when Biden won the election because it's all a hoax!

Oh lets keep in mind that until January whatever happens - and its gonna be carnage - is on Trump.
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 14, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 14, 2020, 09:20:30 PM
Oh lets keep in mind that until January whatever happens - and its gonna be carnage - is on Trump.

lol most people will blame it on Biden, just watch.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mobius on November 16, 2020, 12:47:31 AM
that's a lot of states

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em351DnW8AYNN6k?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: Ferris on November 16, 2020, 01:41:03 AM
Get on a ventilator to own the libs.
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 16, 2020, 04:12:54 AM
hey we're on tv
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Post by: Mister Six on November 16, 2020, 05:18:55 AM
Quote from: Mobius on November 16, 2020, 12:47:31 AM
that's a lot of states

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em351DnW8AYNN6k?format=jpg&name=large)

Half of the US, in fact.

New York City might be going into lockdown again, scuttlebutt says. Spikes been growing in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island for a while. We were doing so well for so long and then we got complacent.
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Post by: BlodwynPig on November 16, 2020, 07:53:42 AM
Such is the nature of a viral contagion.
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Post by: Cuellar on November 16, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on November 16, 2020, 05:18:55 AM
Half of the US, in fact.

New York City might be going into lockdown again, scuttlebutt says. Spikes been growing in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island for a while. We were doing so well for so long and then we got complacent.

This is the way it ends, not with a bang but with a AKARCOIDILINIAKSKYMEMNMONENCNDNMOHOKORSDTNUTWVWIWY
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Post by: MrMrs on November 16, 2020, 11:46:51 PM
when were you doing so well?
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Post by: Mister Six on November 17, 2020, 05:52:54 AM
For the past, I dunno, five months? New York City had mostly got on top of it. It was in the fuckwit states that it was going mental.
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Post by: batwings on November 17, 2020, 07:31:42 AM
South Dakota Covid nurse describes how some MAGA patients still believe it's a hoax even when they're in the process of dying from it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WicsWfTm1ZI&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WicsWfTm1ZI&feature=emb_title)

https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1327771329555292162 (https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1327771329555292162)
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Post by: Fambo Number Mive on November 19, 2020, 03:54:16 PM
QuoteThe White House has said the annual presidential pardoning of a turkey before Thanksgiving will happen this year.

The ritual spares a turkey from being served on a Thanksgiving dinner table, and the birds usually spend the rest of their days on a farm or even Disneyland in Florida. It falls to voters to choose to pardon one of two turkeys, although both birds tend to be spared in the end.

White House officials say social distancing will be practised at the event next week and people will be asked to wear face masks.

The chosen birds were raised in Iowa and next week will board a train to Washington DC where they will stay in a hotel before making their way to the White House...

I'm assuming people will need to travel with the birds on the train from Iowa to Washington, which seems like a bit of a risk. Why not just cancel the stupid tradition for one year? It's a bit sick anyway really.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 19, 2020, 03:57:03 PM
Poultry caligula
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Post by: JamesTC on November 19, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
Trump will use the loophole to pardon himself and spend the rest of his days on a farm or even Disneyland in Florida.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 19, 2020, 04:27:47 PM
19th worst day for deaths in FUCKDOWN, U.S.A. yesterday...
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 19, 2020, 05:01:38 PM
all i want for christmas is DEATH
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 21, 2020, 09:50:29 AM
200,000 new covid cases in the USA yesterday.
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Post by: Chedney Honks on November 21, 2020, 06:26:52 PM
Hope every American gets it and dies except my mates John and Pete.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 21, 2020, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on November 21, 2020, 06:26:52 PM
Hope every American gets it and dies except my mates John and Pete.

How are they knocking on these days? One of them was some gay candidate right?
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Post by: Urinal Cake on November 21, 2020, 10:42:34 PM
I wonder if Trump died from it whether it would change the GOP's perception of it. A lot of people speculate that a lot of Trump's base see Covid-19 is the will of God. As in if it exists it's some sort of punishment for poor, black and brown people as well as sinners. If Trump died it would've been seen as God's will and for Pence to rise.

In short you can't win with these people.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jobotic on November 21, 2020, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: batwings on November 17, 2020, 07:31:42 AM
South Dakota Covid nurse describes how some MAGA patients still believe it's a hoax even when they're in the process of dying from it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WicsWfTm1ZI&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WicsWfTm1ZI&feature=emb_title)

https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1327771329555292162 (https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1327771329555292162)

jesus.

This can't be happening to me, Trump wouldn't allow it.

There's been a terrible mistake, I shouldn't have been arrested. I've denounced so many myself. Let me write to Comrade Stalin, when he hears of this he'll have me released and you'll be on your way to the Lubyanka.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on November 22, 2020, 01:34:27 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 21, 2020, 10:35:05 PM
How are they knocking on these days? One of them was some gay candidate right?

I can't remember exactly because I probably made it up, but the one guy who basically fucked off to his cabin in Colorado ended up getting bored so just went back to normal life. I wish he'd stayed there forever but probably not good mentally in the long run.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 22, 2020, 02:31:31 AM
heard a lot of sirens today
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Post by: Fambo Number Mive on November 23, 2020, 11:20:01 AM
QuoteMarcy Flanagan, Executive Director, Maricopa County Public Health: 800 youth sports teams will be coming to Arizona next week

https://twitter.com/anneryman/status/1329474481396408321 (19th Nov tweet)

QuoteJust got to work and was notified there are no more ICU beds in the state of Arizona.

https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1330677240388935680 (23rd Nov tweet)

Might want to think about cancelling the 800 youth sports team visit, Arizona.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on November 23, 2020, 11:24:53 AM
None of the kids will be able to play hide and seek without ICU
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 23, 2020, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on November 22, 2020, 02:31:31 AM
heard a lot of sirens today

can't tell if i'm just noticing it more now but a lot yesterday too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 23, 2020, 03:34:56 PM
outbreak amongst the covid denying MAGAin-laws. will update.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on November 23, 2020, 03:37:21 PM
Where are you to hear sirens Dog Botherer?

The sirens is something everyone in New York has talked about but even at the peak of the first wave in London it never felt like we were hearing sirens more often.
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Post by: Chedney Honks on November 23, 2020, 06:47:35 PM
Awesome news. Fingers crossed they die, mate.
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 23, 2020, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on November 23, 2020, 06:47:35 PM
Awesome news. Fingers crossed they die, mate.

they're for the most part fucking terrible people so i'm really just observing. they've been having family gatherings and shit as normal since the start so it's a borderline miracle this is their first outbreak. would be genuinely shocked if it didn't knock off a few of the cunts, a mate lost 3 aunts to it here licking other jesus freaks at church back in april.

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on November 23, 2020, 03:37:21 PM
Where are you to hear sirens Dog Botherer?

The sirens is something everyone in New York has talked about but even at the peak of the first wave in London it never felt like we were hearing sirens more often.

smallish midwest city. it'd be unusual to hear sirens more than twice a day at the very most, heard 4/5 a day for the last couple of days. could be a coincidence but we're in a fucking huge covid spike here and it's really our first serious go around of it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 23, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
oh also landlord's dad has it as do 30 odd people in his nursing home. very fucking dead soon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on November 23, 2020, 09:34:37 PM
According to this reporter dude (https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1330923829829492745) 1 in 900 people in North Dakota have died from the virus, last week it was 1 in 1000
(Mind you, the population of North Dakota is 760,000 ish)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 23, 2020, 10:59:00 PM
Yes both Dakotas getting into shit. 50 deaths a day is really rather a lot for a state with the population of Leeds, dispersed over an area the size of France.

They must have introduced some measures though as cases are starting to come down the last week.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on November 24, 2020, 12:58:03 AM
Uncle Kenny from Washington who got it in March turned 95 yesterday.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 24, 2020, 04:30:07 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on November 23, 2020, 11:24:53 AM
None of the kids will be able to play hide and seek without ICU

Very, very good.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 24, 2020, 04:32:06 AM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on November 23, 2020, 03:37:21 PM
Where are you to hear sirens Dog Botherer?

The sirens is something everyone in New York has talked about but even at the peak of the first wave in London it never felt like we were hearing sirens more often.

What kind of New Yorker even notices sirens unless the emergency vehicle is driving right by?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on November 24, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hv0fDd6.jpg)
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 24, 2020, 12:38:40 PM
i think that's literally a DonJr tweet
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on November 24, 2020, 12:39:22 PM
Yeah, I saw that on thedonald.win
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 25, 2020, 11:50:34 PM
Shitey death numbers coming out of the rust belt
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 25, 2020, 11:59:31 PM
2m cases in last 2 weeks. Sensational.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 26, 2020, 08:24:48 AM
11th worst single day, yesterday.

While the rust belt is a clear growth area what's striking is just how widespread it is becoming. 40+ deaths in 20 states yesterday.

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Post by: Dex Sawash on November 26, 2020, 08:58:21 PM

Older daughter has fever and feels crappy. Strep test and flu test negative, covid test results not in yet.
Thanksgiving #cancelled
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on November 26, 2020, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 26, 2020, 08:24:48 AM
While the rust belt is a clear growth area what's striking is just how widespread it is becoming.

I'LL BET IT IS -STOMACH! YOU DIRTY OLD BOLLOCKS. I'LL BET IT FUCKING IS
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 26, 2020, 11:19:37 PM
update from the mentalers-in-law; 5 confirmed cases, 3 kids, their mother, and the grandmother. doesn't seem to have spread out of that small group so far thankfully.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 27, 2020, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on November 26, 2020, 11:19:37 PM
update from the mentalers-in-law; 5 confirmed cases, 3 kids, their mother, and the grandmother. doesn't seem to have spread out of that small group so far thankfully.

grandmother in question is now refusing hospitalization. going well.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 28, 2020, 04:18:08 AM
Why the fuck is she refusing to go to hospital?
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 28, 2020, 04:33:35 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on November 28, 2020, 04:18:08 AM
Why the fuck is she refusing to go to hospital?

stupid. just an awful, idiotic person.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 28, 2020, 04:34:53 AM
But surely she has some kind of reasoning, however dim? Is it a cost thing?
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 28, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on November 28, 2020, 04:34:53 AM
But surely she has some kind of reasoning, however dim? Is it a cost thing?

i dunno. her fever was dangerously high but she still wouldn't go in. it's more likely a pride thing than a cost thing. if you've been saying it's a hoax for 9 months you're not gonna want to be hospitalized for it.
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Post by: Mister Six on November 28, 2020, 06:04:28 AM
Christ. Not sure what the best case scenario is for you here, but I hope you get it.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 28, 2020, 06:17:51 AM
QuoteI hope you get it.

Seems a bit harsh
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Post by: Urinal Cake on November 28, 2020, 06:56:26 AM
Just say it's the normal flu.
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Post by: Dog Botherer on November 28, 2020, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on November 28, 2020, 06:56:26 AM
Just say it's the normal flu.

this is the mother in law's boyfriend's line.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on November 28, 2020, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 28, 2020, 06:17:51 AM
Seems a bit harsh

Ha.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 28, 2020, 02:35:28 PM
200,000 new cases and 1,400 dead. Happy Turkey Day.
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Post by: chveik on November 28, 2020, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on November 28, 2020, 01:08:02 PM
this is the mother in law%u2019s boyfriend%u2019s line.

well it is nice to give the hospital beds to people that don't doubt the existence of covid.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on November 28, 2020, 05:12:53 PM
Wonder if it gets drastically worse in America after Thanksgiving we might tighten our Xmas rules in the UK?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 28, 2020, 07:37:02 PM
Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on November 28, 2020, 05:12:53 PM
Wonder if it gets drastically worse in America after Thanksgiving we might tighten our Xmas rules in the UK?

when have we ever followed what the Americans do?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 29, 2020, 12:10:55 AM
now she is sicker than she has ever been in her life. apparently refused hospitalization due to watching House too many times and becoming afraid she would die in a hospital. yes i know. i know.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 29, 2020, 12:58:46 AM
206k new confirmed cases, expect 250k+ in a weeks time after thanksgiving. What the fuck is going on.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on November 29, 2020, 01:00:40 AM
Eventually they'll run out of people.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on November 29, 2020, 01:50:57 AM
Daughter's covid test back negative, officially best Thanksgiving ever now she isn't going to die.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 29, 2020, 02:24:29 AM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on November 29, 2020, 01:50:57 AM
Daughter's covid test back negative, officially best Thanksgiving ever now she isn't going to die.

Nice one.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 29, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on November 29, 2020, 12:58:46 AM
206k new confirmed cases, expect 250k+ in a weeks time after thanksgiving. What the fuck is going on.

fully expect to hit 500k before christmas
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on November 29, 2020, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on November 29, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
fully expect to hit 500k before christmas

It has to plateau around 300k a day surely? There's just not that many interactions, especially as an increasingly large percentage of the population has had it already.

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on November 29, 2020, 02:24:29 AM
Nice one.

This sounds cunty reading it back but I was being genuine
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on November 29, 2020, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on November 29, 2020, 03:36:15 PM
It has to plateau around 300k a day surely? There's just not that many interactions, especially as an increasingly large percentage of the population has had it already.

we haven't had the holiday season spike yet, probably won't start seeing that for another week or so. reinfection is a thing too, though apparently it's somehow still not clear how much of a thing.

i think you might be (understandably) basing this off your own experiences with people taking precautions and stuff. here we've been swamped with fucking idiots coming in from Kentucky to stuff their faces in restaurants because theirs have been shut down and they can't take a fucking hint. we're almost a year into this and there is a massive chunk of the population who still haven't entered reality.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 29, 2020, 07:38:11 PM
If we select a state where a possibly world-competing number of people per capita 'had it already', New Jersey provides enough evidence to suggest that despite previous infections (and who knows, maybe there is some increased resistance) you can get it again and/or there is enough fresh pickings for the virus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on November 30, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
Seem to remember reading that they're increasingly thinking getting it again is extremely unusual. But obviously the problem is that absolutely no-one else has any kind of immunity so it has loads of immunologically naive people to get at. 300,000 cases still leaves 8 million people in that state alone who haven't had it!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: dissolute ocelot on November 30, 2020, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 29, 2020, 07:38:11 PM
If we select a state where a possibly world-competing number of people per capita 'had it already', New Jersey provides enough evidence to suggest that despite previous infections (and who knows, maybe there is some increased resistance) you can get it again and/or there is enough fresh pickings for the virus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/
New Jersey is also (despite reputation) one of the healthiest states, by infant mortality (2nd best) and life expectancy (8th).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on November 30, 2020, 09:41:42 PM

The shop dumbass had Thanksgiving (america) with his brother 60 miles away on Thursday. Back at work Friday with his usual chin diaper.
Brother was sick all weekend, covid positive test today.
We're in fuckdown until dumbfuck gets negative test. If he tests positive we have 2 week shutdown.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 01, 2020, 08:48:21 PM
hospitalized now
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 02, 2020, 12:26:13 AM
6th worst day for deaths in the states.

Looking proper shite
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 02, 2020, 12:34:00 AM
Going to be worse once the Thanksgiving Day Massacre deaths start totting up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 02, 2020, 12:45:45 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 01, 2020, 08:48:21 PM
hospitalized now

Terrible, sorry to hear.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 02, 2020, 03:25:34 AM
"The 911 emergency medical system throughout the United States is at a breaking point," Aarron Reinert, president of the American Ambulance Association, said in letter to federal authorities. "Without additional relief, it seems likely to break, even as we enter the third surge of the virus in the Mid-West and West."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247539090.html

Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 02, 2020, 12:45:45 AM
Terrible, sorry to hear.

ICUs are at 83% capacity in our area, at least she's getting in before the real fuckdown begins.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on December 02, 2020, 08:02:07 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 02, 2020, 03:25:34 AM
"The 911 emergency medical system throughout the United States is at a breaking point," Aarron Reinert, president of the American Ambulance Association, said in letter to federal authorities. "Without additional relief, it seems likely to break, even as we enter the third surge of the virus in the Mid-West and West."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247539090.html

ICUs are at 83% capacity in our area, at least she's getting in before the real fuckdown begins.

Thoughts and prayers

Hope she makes a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 02, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
poor dumbfuck is probably gonna get herself deaded by putting all her faith in Donald John Trump. bleak.

oh and on the FB post letting people know she was giving in and going to hospital her best friend replied simply "Demand the Hydroxychloroquine!"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 02, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
Definitely for the best if she died. Anyone like that needs to go.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 03, 2020, 07:39:23 PM
More died yesterday than in 9/11.

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01112/mission_accomplish_1112950c.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 03, 2020, 07:53:47 PM
deaths are probably gonna jump massively here in the next week as a landslide of ICU's tip over capacity.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 03, 2020, 09:33:09 PM
hospital refused to admit her lmao

her husband has it now too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Bazooka on December 04, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/VYPWRBf/mmexport1607090783655.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WvYWZKm)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 04, 2020, 03:11:58 PM
Fair play.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 04, 2020, 05:49:54 PM
Another conservative in the Ayn Rand "do as I say not what I do" mould:

QuoteIdaho Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin accepted $314,727 under the Paycheck Protection Program, a federal coronavirus relief program, records show.

Three months later, she wrote an op-ed published in newspapers across the state criticizing those "who advocate socialized medicine, unearned income, and other handouts ... that foster dependency."

The money was offered to employers under the $2.2 trillion coronavirus aid bill passed by Congress in March. PPP was an emergency program aimed at keeping workers on the job at taxpayer expense at a time when revenue for many employers had collapsed. The money was provided as loans to be forgiven if the recipients showed that most of it was spent on payroll...

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article247584440.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 06, 2020, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 03, 2020, 09:33:09 PM
hospital refused to admit her lmao

her husband has it now too.

This tale of family agony is surprisingly light touch to read.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 06, 2020, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 06, 2020, 08:30:39 PM
This tale of family agony is surprisingly light touch to read.

they are not nice people.

apparently feeling better tho. back MAGAposting 16 hours a day. son and husband plague ridden now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 06, 2020, 09:41:54 PM
Let's pray that one of them pegs it, at least.

Love that China Daily comic. Pure trolling and a dumb/genius pun.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 07, 2020, 02:08:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eon_gSMXMAAlwgP?format=jpg&name=small)

rip usa
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jobotic on December 07, 2020, 02:19:11 PM
Pfft. Most of those rates are not as high as where I live.

Who's Number 1 now?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 07, 2020, 02:46:06 PM
tbf temperatures are still dropping fast and the thanksgiving numbers still haven't manifested.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 07, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
And then the Christmas numbers, the NYE numbers, the Hanukkah numbers... hopefully no Valentine's Day orgies in the offing.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 08, 2020, 10:33:04 AM
so what percentage of the usa population has gone then?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on December 08, 2020, 10:54:53 AM
0.1
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on December 08, 2020, 11:49:37 AM

Shop idiot test came back negative Saturday, back at work and in chin diaper yesterday.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 08, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on December 08, 2020, 11:49:37 AM
Shop idiot test came back negative Saturday, back at work and in chin diaper yesterday.

run him over in the parking lot
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 08, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on December 08, 2020, 10:33:04 AM
so what percentage of the usa population has gone then?

the death rate from covid in South Dakota is worse than 1 in 1000 and that was a week ago. the governor Noem is a special kind of psycho.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 08, 2020, 07:29:38 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/us/florida-search-warrant-raid-rebekah-jones-invs/index.html

QuoteFlorida police raided the home of a former state coronavirus data scientist on Monday, escalating a feud between the state government and a data expert who has accused officials of trying to cover up the extent of the pandemic.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 10, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
9 ICU beds left in our city
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 10, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 10, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
9 ICU beds left in our city

Better eat them then
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 10, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
daily deaths over 3000 now
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 10, 2020, 07:21:11 PM
Not a great time to have a highly infectious virus, 44 million people with no health insurance, a 3 month long transition period between administrations whose smooth passage depends on the leader of a personality cult dominated by religious evangelicals with little formal education who are convinced of a rigged election and a covid conspiracy.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 10, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
don't forget a woefully inadequate supply of a vaccine and a mentally unfit opposition.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 10, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55216518

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3D01/production/_115871651_optimised-sd_plot_new-nc.png)

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 11, 2020, 12:11:50 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 10, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
don't forget a woefully inadequate supply of a vaccine and a mentally unfit opposition.

Have the US fucked up the vaccine as well then? Sorry if this has been covered already.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on December 11, 2020, 01:08:43 AM
Second civil war sounds alright. Finish the job.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 11, 2020, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: Menu on December 11, 2020, 12:11:50 AM
Have the US fucked up the vaccine as well then? Sorry if this has been covered already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250357

also just generally there is absolutely no infrastructure in place to get this vaccine out to everyone and i sincerely doubt the political will or competence of basically anyone to create any.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 12, 2020, 02:27:15 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 11, 2020, 02:56:54 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250357

also just generally there is absolutely no infrastructure in place to get this vaccine out to everyone and i sincerely doubt the political will or competence of basically anyone to create any.

Amazing. I think we are witnessing America's decline as the leading superpower and it's happening faster than we thought it would.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 12, 2020, 02:56:49 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 12, 2020, 02:27:15 AM
Amazing. I think we are witnessing America's decline as the leading superpower and it's happening faster than we thought it would.

oh yeah the US is done. it's all China now baby.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 12, 2020, 03:06:33 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 12, 2020, 02:56:49 AM
oh yeah the US is done. it's all China now baby.

The world is fucked.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 12, 2020, 04:30:16 AM
For all of its problems, and there are many, China doesn't have a single city with the poverty, deprivation, homelessness or crime that you would find in any city in Europe or America. Considering its size and wealth disparity, that is astounding.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 12, 2020, 05:01:24 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on December 12, 2020, 04:30:16 AM
For all of its problems, and there are many, China doesn't have a single city with the poverty, deprivation, homelessness or crime that you would find in any city in Europe or America. Considering its size and wealth disparity, that is astounding.

Lived in Beijing for five years. Have now lived in New York for five years. My in-laws are all Chinese and are distributed from the very north of the country to the very south.

I can assure you that this is absolute bullshit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 12, 2020, 08:11:14 AM
But if you compare my old neighbourhood in Wuhan to what I know about America from The Wire, it's pretty accurate.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Twonty Gostelow on December 12, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
We're sleep-walking into a world where you could be executed for narrowing your eyes and making a harmless joke. O tempola! O moles!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 12, 2020, 11:56:39 AM
Should probably mention grisly landmark of 300,000 deaths in the US, at this current rate 400,000 before the end of January.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: imitationleather on December 12, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: Twonty Gostelow on December 12, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
We're sleep-walking into a world where you could be executed for narrowing your eyes and making a harmless joke. O tempola! O moles!

To be honest it's about time racist gags had the death penalty.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on December 12, 2020, 07:52:57 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 12, 2020, 11:56:39 AM
grisly landmark of 300,000 deaths in the US

I believe that the parlance of our times is 'grim milestone'.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Twonty Gostelow on December 13, 2020, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: imitationleather on December 12, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
To be honest it's about time racist gags had the death penalty.

How does that work?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 13, 2020, 02:08:58 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on December 12, 2020, 04:30:16 AM
For all of its problems, and there are many, China doesn't have a single city with the poverty, deprivation, homelessness or crime that you would find in any city in Europe or America. Considering its size and wealth disparity, that is astounding.

You ok hun?xx
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 03:09:44 AM
i think being run by the chinese government genuinely could not be worse than being run by the US or UK government
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 13, 2020, 03:15:23 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 03:09:44 AM
i think being run by the chinese government genuinely could not be worse than being run by the US or UK government

Fuck me. Have you seen what's happening in Hong Kong? Or to the Uighers? Boris Johnson is fucking shit but he's not started on the concentration camps quite yet.


(I think that's probably a third term ambition)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 03:36:19 AM
When I lived in China, a Uyghur pickpocket was kicked and stamped to death by a rapidly expanding crowd. Hard to excuse that.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 03:41:29 AM
the USA on the other hand has some rather spiffy concentration camps and regularly executes people in public for their race.

not trying to hand it to the CCP but at least they seem to value their people enough to try and control covid. that's all.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on December 13, 2020, 03:50:41 AM
they sure love a good FUCKDOWN
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 04:04:50 AM
USA is definitely worse than China, in my opinion.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 13, 2020, 04:12:08 AM
Both the United States and China implemented a heavy-handed response to extremist Islamic terrorism. The occupied areas of Iraq and Afghanistan are the American concentration camps. With the added benefit of not requiring any semblance of concern or due process for the people who live there.

Westerners talking about Evil China = 99.9% bollocks.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Bronzy on December 13, 2020, 05:05:07 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 03:41:29 AM
the USA on the other hand has some rather spiffy concentration camps and regularly executes people in public for their race.

not trying to hand it to the CCP but at least they seem to value their people enough to try and control covid. that's all.

Of course the CCP value their citizens, as long as they aren't Muslim, Christian, Tibetan, Falun Gong, LGBT, critical of any aspect of their government, or black.

What's the problem here?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Bronzy on December 13, 2020, 05:08:55 AM
Taiwan are a great bunch of lads though
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 13, 2020, 05:13:36 AM
China has dealt with hundred of Uighurs as well as other Muslim minorities going to Afghanistan, Iraq etc and then coming back trying to continue the separation effort. You can argue that a Uighur state has merit but so far the CCP is operating on it's own legal territory. What the fuck is the US doing- spreading moderate Islamic democracy around the world?

In short the CCP is going to do whatever it's going to do. The US is going to do whatever it's going to do. China isn't going to balance out the US. The only change is going to come when US allies (who are also a bunch of bastards) jump ship to China and insist China does 'right.'
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 09:09:14 AM
They should just cut Xinjiang off and leave them be.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 13, 2020, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: Bleeding Kansas on December 12, 2020, 07:52:57 PM
I believe that the parlance of our times is 'grim milestone'.

Gruesome waymarker
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 12:22:43 PM
lads i was just saying China did alright with the covid. settle the fuck down.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on December 13, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 03:41:29 AM

not trying to hand it to the CCP but at least they seem to say they value their people enough to try and control covid. that's all.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
alright
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 13, 2020, 12:59:30 PM
They're not the only ones, mind you. Which is relevant, insofar it'd be nice to unpick how much the variation in shittiness of COVID-19 management is really tied up with different economic and government setups.

(Not as nice as not having shitty COVID-19 management, but that boat has largely sailed.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 13, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
New Jersey gym owner refuses to enforce Covid guidelines, does a Dylan-style display while repeatedly licking his fingers:

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1338074061738545156

The owner says he does not planned to pay the over one million dollars he has been fined.

I wonder how much Covid is being spread in his gym each day. Imagine all those sweaty people close to each other breathing heavily.

They have a GoFundMe which has raised over $345,000. Imagine what that $345,000 could have done to help people in New Jersey who are experiencing poverty do the effects of Covid rather than these idiots.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 01:48:42 PM
In China, they would be tazed, wrists, ankles, knees and elbows zip-tied, black-out hood with drawstring pulled tight against the windpipe. Post them into the back of a van, take a few sharp corners too fast, a few emergency stops at traffic lights and pedestrian crossings, get them down to the local football stadium, and beat their joints and skull until they can barely even kneel, so they get propped up against a stool and shot in the back of the head.

And that's why they have no Covid cases now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 13, 2020, 02:05:11 PM
i imagine that's similar to what the Daily Mail readership thinks the woke mob are going to do to them on account of them being British.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on December 13, 2020, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 01:48:42 PM
In China, they would be tazed, wrists, ankles, knees and elbows zip-tied, black-out hood with drawstring pulled tight against the windpipe. Post them into the back of a van, take a few sharp corners too fast, a few emergency stops at traffic lights and pedestrian crossings, get them down to the local football stadium, and beat their joints and skull until they can barely even kneel, so they get propped up against a stool and shot in the back of the head.

That's a good night out for some people.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 13, 2020, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 01:48:42 PM
In China, they would be tazed, wrists, ankles, knees and elbows zip-tied, black-out hood with drawstring pulled tight against the windpipe. Post them into the back of a van, take a few sharp corners too fast, a few emergency stops at traffic lights and pedestrian crossings, get them down to the local football stadium, and beat their joints and skull until they can barely even kneel, so they get propped up against a stool and shot in the back of the head.

And that's why they have no Covid cases now.

No, they wouldn't. That is a ridiculous stereotype of "authoritarian" China.

China has almost no Covid cases now because their government has a baseline level of competence and because ~50% of the Chinese civilian population have not been brainwashed by decades of corporate propaganda into being rabid culture warrior death cultists convinced that a global pandemic is a partisan political issue.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 13, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
It's a reference to several other posts I've made in the this thread about what should happen to people not wearing masks and the like. It's a joke.

I've been in touch with my mates and in China about Covid since January and feel utterly disgusted by this dogshit country's response in comparison. Both the government and much of the population here are self-serving moronic fucking cunts. I'm past caring about this greywater turd nation.

I'm currently waiting for my visa to fuck off back to China.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 13, 2020, 11:10:46 PM
Quotetheir government has a baseline level of competence

*has no real domestic competition or legal framework to impede it or regulate its activities meaning that executive decisions like local lockdowns can be made extremely quickly, with the population too cowed to even begin to assert its will

FTFY

The corporate class liked China being there not only because it produces a lot of stuff for el zilcho that they can buy, but because it instructs them on what can be done to a civilian population and minorities without disruption to corporate activities.

They started getting a bit down on them once China became the next rising power to use Africa as a big slave ship.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 13, 2020, 11:15:06 PM
*Edit* Turning into an unnecessary derail
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on December 13, 2020, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 13, 2020, 04:16:35 PM
No, they wouldn't. That is a ridiculous stereotype of "authoritarian" China.
Winnie the Pooh says hi by the way
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sin Agog on December 13, 2020, 11:54:14 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 13, 2020, 11:10:46 PM
*has no real domestic competition or legal framework to impede it or regulate its activities meaning that executive decisions like local lockdowns can be made extremely quickly, with the population too cowed to even begin to assert its will

It might well be because of this exact type of autocratic decisionmaking that China reaches its zero emissions goal before most of us.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Bronzy on December 14, 2020, 03:36:32 AM
At least Mussolini made the trains run on time
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 14, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 13, 2020, 11:10:46 PM
*has no real domestic competition or legal framework to impede it or regulate its activities meaning that executive decisions like local lockdowns can be made extremely quickly, with the population too cowed to even begin to assert its will



Exactly. It's really not left-wing to support the murderous imperialistic brutal dictatorship of China. You may not like the US - that's fine. But that doesn't make China the good guys. Once they do supplant America as the global superpower we should be very fearful of what they might do. Look at Hong Kong over the last couple of years to see why.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on December 14, 2020, 03:51:29 AM
Quote from: Sin Agog on December 13, 2020, 11:54:14 PM
It might well be because of this exact type of autocratic decisionmaking that China reaches its zero emissions goal before most of us.

meh

https://www.ft.com/content/9656e36c-ba59-43e9-bf1c-c0f105813436

they're planning to build coal plants in Africa and Indonesia, they'll just push the problem outside their borders.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 14, 2020, 03:54:42 AM
Quote from: chveik on December 14, 2020, 03:51:29 AM
meh

https://www.ft.com/content/9656e36c-ba59-43e9-bf1c-c0f105813436

they're planning to build coal plants in Africa and Indonesia, they'll just push the problem outside their borders.

And worth remembering that Covid started in one of their horrific wet markets, which they still refuse to ban. Anyone thinking that China are somehow a benign alternative to the US, just google a video of Chinese wet markets and tell me you still want to defend their dictatorship.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on December 14, 2020, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 14, 2020, 03:54:42 AM
And worth remembering that Covid started in one of their horrific wet markets, which they still refuse to ban. Anyone thinking that China are somehow a benign alternative to the US, just google a video of Chinese wet markets and tell me you still want to defend their dictatorship.

Are you proposing to ban how the majority of people who don't live in the West eat? Except for Lobster restaurants and Fish markets, of course?
(sidenote: Yes, getting them to be humane in selling food is perfectly easy, because they're so compliant in being humane in Wuhan concentration camps. Just like the nets around the Foxconn buildings)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 14, 2020, 05:16:21 AM
When will the UN intervene in the horrific practice of foie gras
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 14, 2020, 05:41:50 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 14, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
Exactly. It's really not left-wing to support the murderous imperialistic brutal dictatorship of China. You may not like the US - that's fine. But that doesn't make China the good guys. Once they do supplant America as the global superpower we should be very fearful of what they might do. Look at Hong Kong over the last couple of years to see why.
Yeah they might end up like Puerto Rico, Guam or the hundreds of communities around the world affected by US military bases.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 14, 2020, 09:55:53 AM
New thread for China/USA superpower debate: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,84074.0.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 14, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
first 100 year in the old has it. old cunt seems fine though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 14, 2020, 06:10:14 PM
Quote from: Menu on December 14, 2020, 03:54:42 AM
And worth remembering that Covid started in one of their horrific wet markets, which they still refuse to ban. Anyone thinking that China are somehow a benign alternative to the US, just google a video of Chinese wet markets and tell me you still want to defend their dictatorship.

Studies suggest it was circulating in Italy months earlier. Jingoistic narrative is neater though.

(Setting aside your total ignorance of what "wet markets" are)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 15, 2020, 01:28:46 AM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 14, 2020, 06:10:14 PM
Studies suggest it was circulating in Italy months earlier. Jingoistic narrative is neater though.

(Setting aside your total ignorance of what "wet markets" are)

How is it jingoistic to oppose a dictatorship? I'm not doing it to somehow make my country look better, I do it because they are a hugely powerful paranoid Government who ride roughshod over any criticism inside or out. I mean it's far more jingoistic to do what you're doing in defending one no matter what the evidence is.

You'll have to provide evidence that Covid somehow started in Italy as well. I don't know of any studies that say it originated anywhere other than China.

And if you can defend wet markets then go right ahead. Your anti-Americanism has turned you loopy and amoral. As I said earlier, it's entirely legitimate to oppose America, but that does not mean their main rival should get a free pass. You can be against both.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 15, 2020, 01:37:35 AM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on December 14, 2020, 04:36:49 AM
Are you proposing to ban how the majority of people who don't live in the West eat? Except for Lobster restaurants and Fish markets, of course?
(sidenote: Yes, getting them to be humane in selling food is perfectly easy, because they're so compliant in being humane in Wuhan concentration camps. Just like the nets around the Foxconn buildings)

The point is we can't 'get them' to do anything. We have no power to do so. Nobody from the outside has that power and anyone opposing policy on the inside is thrown in jail or, if you're Uigher, put in concentration camps. We are reduced to simply hoping they might do the right thing despite there being zero checks and balances on their power and zero accountability for the Government when things go wrong.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 15, 2020, 04:48:30 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 15, 2020, 01:37:35 AM
The point is we can't 'get them' to do anything. We have no power to do so. Nobody from the outside has that power and anyone opposing policy on the inside is thrown in jail or, if you're Uigher, put in concentration camps. We are reduced to simply hoping they might do the right thing despite there being zero checks and balances on their power and zero accountability for the Government when things go wrong.

not even messing, if you changed exactly one word in that paragraph it would be entirely applicable to the USA.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 15, 2020, 04:52:25 AM
Who is being thrown in jail in the US for opposing policy?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 15, 2020, 05:23:14 AM
The repeated misuse or misunderstanding of 'wet market' detracts from the reasonable points being made.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on December 15, 2020, 04:52:25 AM
Who is being thrown in jail in the US for opposing policy?

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/17/aurora-denver-police-protesters-arrested-riot/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 06:05:00 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 15, 2020, 01:37:35 AM
The point is we can't 'get them' to do anything. We have no power to do so. Nobody from the outside has that power and anyone opposing policy on the inside is thrown in jail or, if you're Uigher, put in concentration camps. We are reduced to simply hoping they might do the right thing despite there being zero checks and balances on their power and zero accountability for the Government when things go wrong.

I started typing out a longer response, Menu, but realized that it can all be summarized by stating that I think you have a very skewed and uninformed view of both the Chinese government and what it's like to live in China. That's not your fault and it's not surprising, because virtually all English-media coverage of anything touching on China is worse than unreliable, it is actively propagandistic. All I can say is that I think it is worth reading between the lines and being very critical of anything you see about China. I'm not blinded by "anti-Americanism" or "pro-CCP" bias, it is simply very apparent to me that we are well inside another cold war where 99.9% of the people living in the West have the same sort of unrealistic and dangerous view of China as they used to have of the Soviet Union.

Broadly speaking, "wet markets" in China are literally just supermarkets that sell fresh produce or meat. Using that term as a pejorative already suggests that you are getting a specific talking point from somewhere highly dubious.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DistressedArea on December 15, 2020, 10:21:00 AM
Went to a wet market in Shanghai and they were selling live mermaid by the kilo. It was absolutely awful, but maybe we just hadn't cooked it properly.   
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: imitationleather on December 15, 2020, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: DistressedArea on December 15, 2020, 10:21:00 AM
Went to a wet market in Shanghai and they were selling live mermaid by the kilo. It was absolutely awful, but maybe we just hadn't cooked it properly.

You probably ate the wrong half.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 06:05:00 AM
I started typing out a longer response, Menu, but realized that it can all be summarized by stating that I think you have a very skewed and uninformed view of both the Chinese government and what it's like to live in China. That's not your fault and it's not surprising, because virtually all English-media coverage of anything touching on China is worse than unreliable, it is actively propagandistic. All I can say is that I think it is worth reading between the lines and being very critical of anything you see about China. I'm not blinded by "anti-Americanism" or "pro-CCP" bias, it is simply very apparent to me that we are well inside another cold war where 99.9% of the people living in the West have the same sort of unrealistic and dangerous view of China as they used to have of the Soviet Union.

Broadly speaking, "wet markets" in China are literally just supermarkets that sell fresh produce or meat. Using that term as a pejorative already suggests that you are getting a specific talking point from somewhere highly dubious.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16940861/

According to this, there is precedent.

I assume its the direct contact with fresh animal corpses, maybe a lack of hygiene? Fuck knows.

Also, I think over here it is quite taboo to eat dogs and cats. Wolf down cows and chickens by the billions but dogs and cats are not on. So I suppose East Asia will always have a bad rep.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on December 15, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
Wet markets is a bit misleading - most wet markets do not have have live animals and of those that do most do not have wildlife. And it's this combination that seems to be bad for making new viruses. It's not only China that has markets of this type.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on December 15, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
We've got one in Oxford. Indoors, dead animals hanging up by their feet, headless, poly bags round their neck stumps collecting the blood. Pressed up close to a pig carcass. Not this year, cos of covid of course, but every other year I've been living here. People take pictures, it's quaint.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: MojoJojo on December 15, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
Wet markets is a bit misleading - most wet markets do not have have live animals and of those that do most do not have wildlife. And it's this combination that seems to be bad for making new viruses. It's not only China that has markets of this type.

Maybe there is a different standard of hygiene then.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DistressedArea on December 15, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on December 15, 2020, 10:23:34 AM
You probably ate the wrong half.

😆
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blinder Data on December 15, 2020, 12:17:54 PM
You have to hand it to China for a fantastic win against COVID. It takes guts to weld the doors of people's apartment blocks to stop a virus from spreading, but that's just the kind of winner they are.

Pity about the obfuscation and lying about the seriousness of the issue at the start, but with them you just have take the rough with the smooth, at the end of the day
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cuellar on December 15, 2020, 12:20:43 PM
My dad had a student in one of his classes that had to go back to China when this all kicked off. Apparently, she had to download an app, walk the perimeter of her house/flat whatever, and if she stepped outside of that perimeter she got fined.

Excellent idea in my opinion.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on December 15, 2020, 12:28:27 PM
There's a serious question, to me, of what's more oppressive and limiting of everyday life. Authoritarian Chinese fuckdown, which eventually suppressed the virus to the point that everyday life is possible in that country, or Western "would you mind awfully" limited measures that we've all been living under for 9 months now and will continue to do so until enough people have been vaccinated.

Similarly the debate over Australian/NZ travel bans. It is oppressive and awful, but within those places they have an everyday life level of freedom.[nb]Everyday life level of freedom may not apply in Victoria[/nb]
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 15, 2020, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/17/aurora-denver-police-protesters-arrested-riot/

So there'll be a trial, an opportunity for legal defence, the possibility that charges will be dropped before it even comes to court, the opportunity to speak about this in the press (which you linked to, obviously) and raise enough public opprobrium to get the authorities to backtrack etc.

Unlike in China, where you just disappear for years or forever with no trial, no access to legal defence and no ability to raise a public fuss because the press and social media is all government controlled or censored (or banned) and anyone protesting is liable to disappear as well. Oh, and if you skip the country and hide out abroad, they'll just threaten your family to get you to return home.

Not saying the US isn't awful, but drop the false equivalence, mate, it's fucking shit and an absolute embarrassment.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 15, 2020, 03:46:34 PM
(China did do a smashing job at controlling the virus, though, I'll give them that - and honestly, I'd happily weld some of those Oklahoma freedom cunts into their homes too, in the name of not having 300,000 people die of a controllable disease.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 15, 2020, 03:47:39 PM
I felt much more free in China than I ever have done in England, Europe or America.

I've got to be honest, I got away with absolute murder! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 11:57:18 AM
Maybe there is a different standard of hygiene then.

Maybe the difference is that China is a massive country with 1 billion people in it? What a shock it will be if the next pandemic originates in either China or India! The common thread is the simple proposition that contact with animals can cause new viruses in human beings. It is now thought that the Spanish Flu may have originated on a pig farm in Kansas.

As mentioned previously, we are still in the early stages of actually figuring out where Covid-19 started. Some evidence suggests it did not originate in China at all.

Quote from: Mister Six on December 15, 2020, 02:39:17 PM
So there'll be a trial, an opportunity for legal defence, the possibility that charges will be dropped before it even comes to court, the opportunity to speak about this in the press (which you linked to, obviously) and raise enough public opprobrium to get the authorities to backtrack etc.

Unlike in China, where you just disappear for years or forever with no trial, no access to legal defence and no ability to raise a public fuss because the press and social media is all government controlled or censored (or banned) and anyone protesting is liable to disappear as well. Oh, and if you skip the country and hide out abroad, they'll just threaten your family to get you to return home.

Not saying the US isn't awful, but drop the false equivalence, mate, it's fucking shit and an absolute embarrassment.

Which country has a higher incarceration rate overall, in particular among its largest ethnic minority population? Millions of people incarcerated in far worse conditions than exist in Chinese prisons, virtually all of them effectively denied trials and forced into plea agreements as a practical matter. But they can speak to the press! What a utopia.

The United States has a far more entrenched and stable political system than China, and thus it has the luxury of allowing meaningless political protest that does not threaten the system. But history is very clear that as soon as you do start to threaten the system, the American legal system will do nothing to protect you from arbitrary arrest or even violent responses. As shown by the black power movement in the 60s-70s, the civil rights movement in the 50s-60s, and the early twentieth century labor movement. Not to mention the long history of anti-socialist measures in the United States, when it was perfectly acceptable to arbitrarily imprison anyone who disagreed with the American political system. That doesn't happen anymore simply because communism is no longer a real threat.

I'm obviously not justifying either hegemon, just pointing out that living in China is not like living in some giant open-air slave camp. The Chinese government is not that far removed from the United States government.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 15, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 11:05:36 AM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16940861/
I assume its the direct contact with fresh animal corpses, maybe a lack of hygiene? Fuck knows.


sounds like iceland over here!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 05:01:36 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
Maybe the difference is that China is a massive country with 1 billion people in it? What a shock it will be if the next pandemic originates in either China or India! The common thread is the simple proposition that contact with animals can cause new viruses in human beings. It is now thought that the Spanish Flu may have originated on a pig farm in Kansas.

As mentioned previously, we are still in the early stages of actually figuring out where Covid-19 started. Some evidence suggests it did not originate in China at all.

Which country has a higher incarceration rate overall, in particular among its largest ethnic minority population? Millions of people incarcerated in far worse conditions than exist in Chinese prisons, virtually all of them effectively denied trials and forced into plea agreements as a practical matter. But they can speak to the press! What a utopia.

The United States has a far more entrenched and stable political system than China, and thus it has the luxury of allowing meaningless political protest that does not threaten the system. But history is very clear that as soon as you do start to threaten the system, the American legal system will do nothing to protect you from arbitrary arrest or even violent responses. As shown by the black power movement in the 60s-70s, the civil rights movement in the 50s-60s, and the early twentieth century labor movement. Not to mention the long history of anti-socialist measures in the United States, when it was perfectly acceptable to arbitrarily imprison anyone who disagreed with the American political system. That doesn't happen anymore simply because communism is no longer a real threat.

I'm obviously not justifying either hegemon, just pointing out that living in China is not like living in some giant open-air slave camp. The Chinese government is not that far removed from the United States government.

What evidence?

How many viruses come from India?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 05:01:36 PM
What evidence?

How many viruses come from India?

I'm sure there's a better article but here's the first Google result: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/researchers-find-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-idUSKBN27W1J2

It seems very difficult if not impossible to actually pinpoint where viruses emerge in a globalized world. Nor do I really see the purpose; it only takes one instance of animal-to-human contact, why does that have anything to do with the country where it happened to occur?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 15, 2020, 06:19:41 PM
I read that the India cricket team actually eat bowls of dogshit, so that probably doesn't help.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
I'm sure there's a better article but here's the first Google result: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/researchers-find-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-idUSKBN27W1J2

It seems very difficult if not impossible to actually pinpoint where viruses emerge in a globalized world. Nor do I really see the purpose; it only takes one instance of animal-to-human contact, why does that have anything to do with the country where it happened to occur?

So it is less likely to happen again?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 06:25:05 PM
So it is less likely to happen again?

I wonder if there is anything that the legislatures of the United States and United Kingdom could do to prevent future pandemics like the present one that is higher on the priority list than shaming the "unhygienic" Chinese for eating animals. (Meanwhile, fewer Covid deaths in China than Switzerland.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
Would you trust Chinese figures?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 15, 2020, 07:54:54 PM
No ICU beds left in Mississippi according to the Clarion Ledger
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
Would you trust Chinese figures?

Why should they be considered any more or less reliable than any other country's figures? If you think they're magically capable of hiding tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths necessary to bring them in line with the UK or US, you are living in a fantasy world.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 15, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
Would you trust Chinese figures?

I know a lot of people in Wuhan, as well as Shanghai and Chongqing. I know what they experienced for the worst and I know what they went through with lockdown and what their life is like now. There's little to second guess.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 15, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
And we have good evidence - from other countries that are unlikely to be able to control information nearly as effectively as China might be able to - that control is definitely possible.

(I wouldn't necessarily trust cause of death figures from anyone[nb]We know England in particular out of the countries of the UK made a hash of this in the first few weeks of the pandemic, for example.[/nb], but hard to hide excess deaths in most of these places, ultimately.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 08:08:45 PM
Also, returning to the original point, a known disease threat that researchers have been warning about for years is Chronic wasting disease, which has rapidly spread through deer populations in the U.S. and Canada, but has thankfully yet to jump species to humans. Are there any calls to ban deer hunting and the consumption of wild venison in the United States? Of course not, because it would be culturally and economically unpopular.

It is very difficult to eliminate the possibility of new unforeseen diseases arising. That's why the most rational course of action is to invest in a public health system to prevent novel disease turning into serious pandemics. Something that China is self evidently light years more advanced at than most governments in the West.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 15, 2020, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on December 15, 2020, 07:54:54 PM
No ICU beds left in Mississippi according to the Clarion Ledger

basically full here too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 08:08:45 PM
Also, returning to the original point, a known disease threat that researchers have been warning about for years is Chronic wasting disease, which has rapidly spread through deer populations in the U.S. and Canada, but has thankfully yet to jump species to humans. Are there any calls to ban deer hunting and the consumption of wild venison in the United States? Of course not, because it would be culturally and economically unpopular.

It is very difficult to eliminate the possibility of new unforeseen diseases arising. That's why the most rational course of action is to invest in a public health system to prevent novel disease turning into serious pandemics. Something that China is self evidently light years more advanced at than most governments in the West.

I wholeheartedly support the banning of deer hunting and consumption of venison.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 15, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
Covid has now killed 1 in 500 in New Jersey.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on December 15, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 15, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
Would you trust Chinese figures?
Literally Trump put his people in between the CDC and the reporting to massage the figures to make him look better.

And to the people who really have a thing for China here, less people died in 9/11 than they have in certain days last week - so clearly it's time to invade Iraq again? Maybe you can convince Biden to invade Thailand instead?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 15, 2020, 11:10:19 PM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on December 15, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Literally Trump put his people in between the CDC and the reporting to massage the figures to make him look better.

And to the people who really have a thing for China here, less people died in 9/11 than they have in certain days last week - so clearly it's time to invade Iraq again? Maybe you can convince Biden to invade Thailand instead?

I think it's you who has 'a thing' for China, love.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 15, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
I'm sure there's a better article but here's the first Google result: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/researchers-find-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-idUSKBN27W1J2

It seems very difficult if not impossible to actually pinpoint where viruses emerge in a globalized world. Nor do I really see the purpose; it only takes one instance of animal-to-human contact, why does that have anything to do with the country where it happened to occur?

Because in these markets that you support the chances of an animal being infected with a virus that then 'jumps' to humans are much greater. If they regulated those places so that live wildlife weren't so horrifically housed and slaughtered it would be better for us and better for the animals. Being pro-animal welfare and anti-coronavirus is not being anti-China. But the Chinese government needs to do a lot more to make those places safer. This really shouldn't be a controversial viewpoint - especially not after the last year.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 15, 2020, 11:18:54 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on December 15, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
Wet markets is a bit misleading - most wet markets do not have have live animals and of those that do most do not have wildlife. And it's this combination that seems to be bad for making new viruses. It's not only China that has markets of this type.

Vietnam has banned them, so it is possible if the political will is there.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 15, 2020, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on December 15, 2020, 02:39:17 PM
So there'll be a trial, an opportunity for legal defence, the possibility that charges will be dropped before it even comes to court, the opportunity to speak about this in the press (which you linked to, obviously) and raise enough public opprobrium to get the authorities to backtrack etc.

Unlike in China, where you just disappear for years or forever with no trial, no access to legal defence and no ability to raise a public fuss because the press and social media is all government controlled or censored (or banned) and anyone protesting is liable to disappear as well. Oh, and if you skip the country and hide out abroad, they'll just threaten your family to get you to return home.

Not saying the US isn't awful, but drop the false equivalence, mate, it's fucking shit and an absolute embarrassment.

Yes, the "they're all basically as bad as each other" line just makes you look fucking credulous and is an insult to people suffering under totalitarian regimes.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on December 16, 2020, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Zetetic on December 15, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
And we have good evidence - from other countries that are unlikely to be able to control information nearly as effectively as China might be able to - that control is definitely possible.

(I wouldn't necessarily trust cause of death figures from anyone[nb]We know England in particular out of the countries of the UK made a hash of this in the first few weeks of the pandemic, for example.[/nb], but hard to hide excess deaths in most of these places, ultimately.)

From what I can tell, China doesn't release excess death figures. What countries are you thinking of that show control is possible?

Quote from: Menu on December 15, 2020, 11:18:54 PM
Vietnam has banned them, so it is possible if the political will is there.

China banned them - or more specifically, wild life being brought to the markets, after SARS, but started allowing it again at some point (I'm being as detailed as wikipedia, can't be bothered to track down more detail). There is another question about what the cost of banning wildlife at the markets is.

Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
It seems very difficult if not impossible to actually pinpoint where viruses emerge in a globalized world. Nor do I really see the purpose; it only takes one instance of animal-to-human contact, why does that have anything to do with the country where it happened to occur?

There is a clear understanding of why mixing lots of wildlife and farmed animals and people at these markets makes them likely to create new diseases. This was predicted before the out break, and two pandemics have now been linked to these markets, and I don't think even China disputes any of this.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 16, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: MojoJojo on December 16, 2020, 10:55:12 AM
From what I can tell, China doesn't release excess death figures.
They only have to release death figures.


Quote
What countries are you thinking of that show control is possible?
Vietnam, South Korea. Am I horribly out of date?

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on December 16, 2020, 11:30:08 AM
As far as I can tell (but this is just me googling) none of those countries have released death figures for 2020 in easily findable English sources. I may just not know where to look. This doesn't seem to be unusual - they normally wouldn't be. But it does mean all the evidence for their success is based on positive corona virus tests and reported cause of death.

I dunno, I don't want to associate with the people who question this, as it's mostly from anti-mask/anti-lockdown types or government apologists. But it does seem like the success has been somewhat uncritically accepted based on numbers that are easy to manipulate.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 16, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
No - to be clear, we'll have to wait for annual figures for lots of places to see excess deaths. But those will be far harder to manipulate, I think.

Looking back, my post is misleading and strongly implies that I'm pointing to all-cause mortality as 'good evidence'. Sorry.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 16, 2020, 12:36:59 PM
Looking at countries where we do have all-cause mortality- Norway? Finland? Germany and Denmark?

(Not without their problems in some cases, but without the peaks that we've seen in Britain, right?)

I'll hold my hands up and admit that I'm really not on top of this stuff now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 16, 2020, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on December 16, 2020, 10:55:12 AM
There is a clear understanding of why mixing lots of wildlife and farmed animals and people at these markets makes them likely to create new diseases. This was predicted before the out break, and two pandemics have now been linked to these markets, and I don't think even China disputes any of this.

What is the "clear understanding"? Viruses can jump from wild animals (or in certain circumstances farmed animals) through contact with humans. Humans interact (and eat) wild animals and factory farm animals throughout the world. Unless you are actively out protesting for the United States to ban the consumption of wild venison, then all of this strikes me as an openly politicized line of attack.

We have yet to definitively determine where Covid-19 originated. As it stands, China is getting blamed solely for being the most proactive country to identify an outbreak of the new virus.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 16, 2020, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
Which country has a higher incarceration rate overall, in particular among its largest ethnic minority population? Millions of people incarcerated in far worse conditions than exist in Chinese prisons, virtually all of them effectively denied trials and forced into plea agreements as a practical matter. But they can speak to the press! What a utopia.

I never said the US was a utopia and specifically said that the actions of one country don't cancel out the actions of another. If you're relying on desperate strawmen, it just shows how desperate your position is.

Putting aside the "far worse conditions than Chinese prisons" and "virtually all" claims, which are both definite citations needed territory, yes - the US is a white supremacist system that unfairly punishes black people for, basically, existing. This is one of the ways in which the US is terrible.

Ways in which China is terrible are: the most imprisoned journalists for the second year running, ethnic genocide in Xinjiang concentration camps (and outside of them, with Uygur families being forced to host Han Chinese agents, for example), mass disappearances of people without trial or explanation or access to legal recourse.

Neither country's dreadful deeds cancel out the others.

QuoteBut history is very clear that as soon as you do start to threaten the system, the American legal system will do nothing to protect you from arbitrary arrest or even violent responses. As shown by the black power movement in the 60s-70s, the civil rights movement in the 50s-60s, and the early twentieth century labor movement.

Pointing out things from US history to defend China's present doesn't really work.

QuoteI'm obviously not justifying either hegemon

You obviously are, which is why your response to Chinese atrocities is to flail toward the US desperately.

Quotejust pointing out that living in China is not like living in some giant open-air slave camp.

Unless you're a Uygur in Xinjiang, obviously.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on December 16, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 15, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
Why should they be considered any more or less reliable than any other country's figures? If you think they're magically capable of hiding tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths necessary to bring them in line with the UK or US, you are living in a fantasy world.

Because the entire Chinese system is built on lies, misinformation and cover-ups from individual police stations up through city and provincial governments right up to the hallowed halls of Beijing.

Look at the cover-up attempted early in the outbreak by police to shut down Li Wenliang (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3049561/dr-li-wenliang-who-was-he-and-how-did-he-become-coronavirus-hero) even though all he was doing was trying to warn his mates, privately. Look at the arrests of citizen journalists (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3110312/prison-recommended-chinese-citizen-journalist-coronavirus) trying to report from Wuhan. Look at Beijing's resistance to share early data and discomfort at the WHO investigative task force.

I used to work for a Chinese newspaper in Beijing. After the Tianjin port explosion we had reporters on the ground within the hour. It was days before they were allowed to report anything. This despite the (rapidly deleted and blocked) video and pics on the ground.

Beijing thrives on lies and misinformation. There is no reason to trust its results. Which independent bodies will be allowed to count the dead after the fact, or double-check Beijing's numbers (indeed, who would had the resources to do that)?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 16, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
One question: Is China effectively back to normal?

It's a rhetorical question.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on December 16, 2020, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 16, 2020, 05:05:59 PM
What is the "clear understanding"? Viruses can jump from wild animals (or in certain circumstances farmed animals) through contact with humans. Humans interact (and eat) wild animals and factory farm animals throughout the world. Unless you are actively out protesting for the United States to ban the consumption of wild venison, then all of this strikes me as an openly politicized line of attack.
Wet markets where live wildlife is brought in and sold allow a wide range of animals to mix who would never normally meet. This allows viruses to jump between different species, and viruses from different species exchange genes, which increases the chance they will actually be successful.

(A point to realise here is that it is not enough for a virus to simply jump to humans to cause a pandemic. Viruses probably jump a lot more frequently than we realise, but they don't cause a pandemic because they don't spread very well)

Another way of looking at this is that the mixing of different animals in these markets creates an environment that gives a big evolutionary benefit to jumping species.

Both SARS and COVID have genes that indicate they are a mixture of viruses from several different animal strains.

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We have yet to definitively determine where Covid-19 originated. As it stands, China is getting blamed solely for being the most proactive country to identify an outbreak of the new virus.
No. You have to ignore several strong indicators to have doubt that Covid-19 did not originate in Wuhan. For example, the strong genetic similarity to Bat and Pangolin corona viruses in the area, and that mutations in it's genetics indicate that the common ancestor emerged in late November early December 2019, around the same time the first cases were reported in Wuhan.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 16, 2020, 08:32:43 PM
okay i'm trying not to get involved in this but are you, Mr 6, seriously saying China locks up more journalists than America
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on December 16, 2020, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 16, 2020, 08:32:43 PM
okay i'm trying not to get involved in this but are you, Mr 6, seriously saying China locks up more journalists than America

Is that a trick question? This thread is really odd.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on December 16, 2020, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: Menu on December 15, 2020, 11:10:19 PM
I think it's you who has 'a thing' for China, love.

Do I need to explain the joke to you, that after Saudi terrorists did 9/11, the US invaded Iraq, so after a worse day than 9/11 and if it's wot China wot dun it, the US should invade Thailand?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 16, 2020, 10:04:20 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on December 16, 2020, 09:21:50 PM
Is that a trick question? This thread is really odd.

the USA arrested over twice as many journalists this year as China, 110 vs 47.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/15/china-jails-the-most-journalists-for-second-year-running

yes i know China has a fuckload behind bars. but i'm not trying to defend China, just saying the USA is fucking shit too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on December 16, 2020, 10:52:00 PM
he's surely right
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 16, 2020, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 16, 2020, 10:04:20 PM
the USA arrested over twice as many journalists this year as China, 110 vs 47.
That's not the claim being made by the CPJ.

The claims are that:

At least 110 journalists have been arrested or criminally charged in relation to their reporting in the U.S., in 2020.

47 journalists are currently jailed (in relation to the reporting?) in the China, as of December 2020.

(The CPJ database currently has no entries for the United States or the UK. This seems inaccurate to me, given Julian Assange is clearly jailed in the UK at the behest of the US for reasons relating to reporting. I appreciate you argue the point.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on December 16, 2020, 11:02:08 PM
this debate is fucking stupid. they're both absolute cunt superpowers and that's it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 16, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: chveik on December 16, 2020, 11:02:08 PM
this debate is fucking stupid. they're both absolute cunt superpowers and that's it.
Yes but which one would start a war to remain the only cunt superpower?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on December 16, 2020, 11:08:37 PM
Only one nation has dropped the atomic bomb.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on December 16, 2020, 11:22:06 PM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on December 16, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Yes but which one would start a war to remain the only cunt superpower?

amerikka obviously
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Psmith on December 16, 2020, 11:31:09 PM
If the USA was China,Trump would still be leader.That's an important difference I think.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 16, 2020, 11:41:38 PM
If the USA was China, there would have been a palace coup a few months after Trump's appointment by some Deng Xiaping wannabe figure.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: checkoutgirl on December 16, 2020, 11:44:20 PM
Quote from: chveik on December 16, 2020, 11:02:08 PM
they're both absolute cunt superpowers and that's it.

That's not it at all though, is it? China and USA ain't even the same motherfuckin' thing.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 16, 2020, 11:55:18 PM
Actuality vs Potentiality
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jobotic on December 17, 2020, 12:18:23 AM
I think they're both great great countries with just fab governments. But I can't decide which one is the super best. Persuade me!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on December 17, 2020, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on December 16, 2020, 11:44:20 PM
That's not it at all though, is it? China and USA ain't even the same motherfuckin' thing.

They meant China the country, not the type of cup.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 17, 2020, 04:06:26 AM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on December 16, 2020, 10:01:27 PM
Do I need to explain the joke to you, that after Saudi terrorists did 9/11, the US invaded Iraq, so after a worse day than 9/11 and if it's wot China wot dun it, the US should invade Thailand?

Sadly it doesn't make much more sense now you've explained it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 17, 2020, 04:16:49 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on December 16, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Yes but which one would start a war to remain the only cunt superpower?

Yes, the famously pacifist Chinese Communist Party. Good grief. As has been said a few times now, you don't have to love the American government to see that China as the main superpower is going to be a significantly worse problem for the people of the world. Look at their treatment of, for example, Tibet, Taiwan and, now, Hong Kong.

This year, like many years, has been marked by protests against the US Government and its racist institutions, by the people of America. If the people of China even thought about protesting against their Government they'd be in jail or dead.

Stop the moral relativism. It's sick.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 17, 2020, 04:43:33 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 17, 2020, 04:16:49 AM
Yes, the famously pacifist American Government. Good grief. As has been said a few times now, you don't have to love the Chinese government to see that America as the main superpower is going to be a significantly worse problem for the people of the world. Look at their treatment and deaths of the people of, for example, Native American Nations, Carribean, Philippines, South America, the Middle East and more.

Quote from: Menu on December 17, 2020, 04:16:49 AM
Stop the moral relativism. It's sick.
Nope I like where I stand.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 17, 2020, 05:00:59 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on December 17, 2020, 04:43:33 AM
Nope I like where I stand.

My second paragraph is conspicuous by its absence in your reply. I'm sure the people of China would salute your courage if only they were allowed to witness it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 17, 2020, 05:16:39 AM
Yeah it's be nice if the CCP treated it's own citizens well but I'll just settle for a superpower that doesn't want to invade countries half-way across the globe and just keeps to border disputes.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 17, 2020, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Urinal Cake on December 17, 2020, 05:16:39 AM
Yeah it's be nice if the CCP treated it's own citizens well but I'll just settle for a superpower that doesn't want to invade countries half-way across the globe and just keeps to border disputes.

Yeah, I agree. That would be 'nice'. It would be really 'nice' for those billion people. And there's nothing in the behaviour of China in the last few years that would lead anyone to think it wouldn't want to continue harmlessly taking part in, what you describe as, 'border disputes' when it ascends to the top spot. I mean, why would it? Far more likely that they'd control the rest of the world with far more compassion and indulgence than they control their own people.  Makes sense that.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: pcsjwgm on December 17, 2020, 06:41:58 AM
Quote from: Menu on December 17, 2020, 04:16:49 AM
Yes, the famously pacifist Chinese Communist Party. Good grief. As has been said a few times now, you don't have to love the American government to see that China as the main superpower is going to be a significantly worse problem for the people of the world. Look at their treatment of, for example, Tibet, Taiwan and, now, Hong Kong.

China's major foreign policy crimes are their invasion of Vietnam and support for the mujahideen in the Soviet-Afghan war; both of those crimes were also committed by the US, and to a far more devastating degree in the case of Vietnam. There doesn't seem to be much evidence that China will be anywhere near as harmful to the people of South East Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, etc. as the US has been.

Quote from: Menu on December 17, 2020, 05:29:37 AM
Far more likely that they'd control the rest of the world with far more compassion and indulgence than they control their own people.  Makes sense that.

China are trying to control the rest of the world?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on December 17, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
250k new cases and 3700 new deaths. Vaccines can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 17, 2020, 04:07:28 PM
California alone, over 40,000  reported cases in one day (Wednesday).

Fewer than 100 intensive care beds left in LA county.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 17, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on December 17, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
250k new cases and 3700 new deaths. Vaccines can't come soon enough.

Where could this go do you reckon?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 17, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on December 17, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
250k new cases and 3700 new deaths. Vaccines can't come soon enough.

my state, which contains ~6.5 million people, has 25,000 doses. we are one of the hardest hit states. i am expecting nothing to be different until the weather improves.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 17, 2020, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: pcsjwgm on December 17, 2020, 06:41:58 AM


China are trying to control the rest of the world?

My argument is that once they become the major superpower they will attempt to 'control' the world in the same way they now control their people and their region. I'm desperately hoping that there's some far-sighted Gorbachev-type figure somewhere in the politburo who wants to change course. President Xi's removal of his own presidency term limits is a really ominous sign. One of many.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on December 17, 2020, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 17, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
Where could this go do you reckon?

I don't see the new case numbers going much above where they are tbh, how many actual interactions are there day to day? Everyone who has regular interpersonal contacts is already infected and recovered/dead at this point, on top of the fact they've basically given up contact tracing and testing is so inefficient a lot of people just don't bother. Top out at 300k a day recorded cases I'd say (based on fuck all of course).

I think the larger issue is the deaths spiking so sharply. That's quite scary - we[nb]not me obviously, I'm a politics grad student[/nb] can treat this if you're an old fucker who has their own private hospital and helicopter to run you there. If you're Joe Public and over 65, then the rise in people taking up hospital beds should terrify you. The US health care system is punitive already, how many healthcare workers will call it a day after this and go and do something else? That's an upcoming crisis brewing.

Also, I've said it before but it's boomers who should be shitting themselves not the Ferris clan. We're young and good-looking so no worries. If you're over 65 then roll a dice - odd number it puts you in hospital, roll a 1 it puts you in the ground.

Can't tell if you were being sarcastic asking my opinion but there it is, just in case.

Ferris Sez: could see 5k deaths a day before end of the year, I reckon 30m Americans will have had it and 500k will have died of it when the pandemic is declared over and final tally is done up.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 18, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
Thanks, it was an honest question. I expect some of the restrictions would cap infections and surely the states will start shitting a brick if their public health system starts to break down and slap extra restrictions on.

5k a day. That's over 140,000 deaths in a month.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on December 18, 2020, 01:30:53 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 18, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
Thanks, it was an honest question. I expect some of the restrictions would cap infections and surely the states will start shitting a brick if their public health system starts to break down and slap extra restrictions on.

5k a day. That's over 140,000 deaths in a month.

They're at the breaking point now - California's hospital beds are at 97% capacity and a lot of states just don't have any left at all (and that only applies if you're middle class and have healthcare - if you're poor, you have a much tougher decision to make).

In Italy back in April, that's when the deaths spiked because the system physically can't save everyone so difficult choices have to be made. It's a horrible situation, and having to make those decisions day over day would be the end of me. Couldn't hack it.

I really hope it turns around for them, but the lack of cohesive messaging from the federal government has been criminal.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 19, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
You need to stop being negative. Herd immunity will kick in any minute now.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 19, 2020, 03:00:53 PM
i for one feel very much reassured by the images of decrepit fossilized husks who actively make my life worse being rushed to the front of the queue.

multiple reports of wealthy hospital administrators pushing themselves to the front of vaccination lists ahead of frontline staff.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 20, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
Anti-mask protestors in Arizona have been marching through shops singing:

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2020/12/18/viral-videos-show-anti-mask-protest-christown-spectrum-mall-in-phoenix/3966484001/

The police were aware of the demonstration but no arrests were made, even though the people at the protest were putting other people's lives at risk.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 02:27:55 PM
unemployment ran out a week early. merry fucking christmas.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on December 20, 2020, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 02:27:55 PM
unemployment ran out a week early. merry fucking christmas.

don't worry, Pelosi's working very hard to send you those stimulus checks

(genuinely sorry to hear that, we're all having a hard time, but living in the US right now sounds like absolute hell)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 03:08:32 PM
good morning. sunday morning NO FUCKING MONEY IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT MERRY CHRISTMAS PLEBS.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sin Agog on December 20, 2020, 03:11:39 PM
Slightly off-topic (though it seems Pelosi and Schumer are involved), but what's this rift between Jimmy Dore and AOC about?  I'm not sure I get it, but it sounds like AOC was being diplomatic, maybe a little too diplomatic, about the way to enact healthcare, and Dore leapt for her throat.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Sin Agog on December 20, 2020, 03:11:39 PM
Slightly off-topic (though it seems Pelosi and Schumer are involved), but what's this riff between Jimmy Dore and AOC about?  I'm not sure I get it, but it sounds like AOC was being diplomatic, maybe a little too diplomatic, about the way to enact healthcare, and Dore leapt for her throat.

it is a load of asinine boring old shit about nothing that will make a difference. i strongly recommend wasting as little of your brain on it as possible.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Sin Agog on December 20, 2020, 03:18:44 PM
Cheers.  Was getting strong People's Front of Judea vibes from it, but figured I must have been missing something.  Guess not.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 20, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
LA county has reported 100,000 new COVID cases in 8 days. In fairness over 10 million people live in that county, but that's still a lot of new cases.

Nurses were going to strike for 10 days at three Southern California hospitals over "allegations of unfair labor practices and a failure to protect staff during the coronavirus pandemic", according to NBC, but that strike has been called off: https://abc7.com/health/nurses-strike-averted-at-3-socal-hospitals-after-deal-reached/8906980/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/questions-arise-in-vaccine-distribution-as-georgia-tops-500000-covid-19-cases/LKZ5YVEXQVHGPI33VE4WPNZE2Q/

hahajajajajahahaha we are so FUCKED
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 20, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
The website isn't available in Europe, can you summarise?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on December 20, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
The website isn't available in Europe, can you summarise?

well funded private hospital with no ER fully supplied with vaccine. public non profit hospital network next county over has received zero doses. all happening in Georgia which has over half a million confirmed cases.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 21, 2020, 05:35:55 AM
Thanks DB.

Over 1 million have passed through U.S. airport security checkpoints in each of the past two days, according to AP.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on December 21, 2020, 09:50:06 AM
I thought there was still a travel ban?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 21, 2020, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 20, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
well funded private hospital with no ER fully supplied with vaccine. public non profit hospital network next county over has received zero doses. all happening in Georgia which has over half a million confirmed cases.

They should all go private to get the vaccine. Imagine the look on their face of all of Georgia did that.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 21, 2020, 03:54:03 PM
On a non piss taking thought. If the private hospitals are overwhelmed and cannot provide the care to the "customers", could they all be sued to oblivion?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 21, 2020, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on December 21, 2020, 03:54:03 PM
On a non piss taking thought. If the private hospitals are overwhelmed and cannot provide the care to the "customers", could they all be sued to oblivion?

no
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 21, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on December 21, 2020, 08:32:00 PM
no

So you have to pay ridiculous fees, but they can just say "nah sorry mate" if they have a few too many customers?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 21, 2020, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on December 21, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
So you have to pay ridiculous fees, but they can just say "nah sorry mate" if they have a few too many customers?

ah misread. yeah you could probably sue in that situation, and given the litigious nature of the American elite they absolutely would. i assume they have a numbers guy who very carefully keeps track of the absolute maximum amount of customers they can handle.

another blackpill story coming out of this is all these private hospital administrators scrambling to hoover up freezer storage equipment and outbidding public hospitals.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on December 22, 2020, 06:57:35 AM
In good* news, there's a consolidated appropriations package about to go through, with $600 COVID relief in it for Americans.
However, it also includes
500 million dollars for Israel (https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1341121311578476544)
1.4 billion for the wall (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1341127578904653830)
Up to 10 years jail for illegal streaming for commercial profit, as well as 15 million in tax concessions for TV and Film production (https://twitter.com/THR/status/1341106003581030404)
2 billion for USAF missle procurement and related expenses (https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1341126365391806468)
4 billion for Navy weapons procurement (https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1341126788500615169)
2 billion for Space Force (https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1341127109247455233)
So it's good to know where their priorities are at the moment
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 29, 2020, 11:18:14 PM
Looks like numbers in the US have peaked, though obviously no-one's jumping for joy at 3,000 a day dying.

I wondered if there had been more effective lockdowns and restrictions in different states this time and also if there just is a natural ceiling on the numbers of at risk people it is likely to affect at any given time which is being reached.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 29, 2020, 11:24:13 PM
doubt the numbers have peaked. they'll jump again now that testing is back to normal after the holidays.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 29, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
The data for infections shows the peak on December 13th. There were a few days over Christmas which are anomalous but the longer term trend is that it's past it's peak. Whether you want to believe that or not is your call, but the data is there to look at if you want to.

We'll have to wait a little longer to see if deaths take a similar fall but it looks like it has peaked there.

Obviously some states are in different positions but New Jersey for example which seemed to be a concerning growth area seems to have topped out.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on December 30, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
I don't want to stamp on every little ray of hope, but The Washington Post is reporting the first confirmed case of the new variant of the coronavirus in the US.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 30, 2020, 12:27:19 AM
Quote from: Alberon on December 30, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
I don't want to stamp on every little ray of hope, but The Washington Post is reporting the first confirmed case of the new variant of the coronavirus in the US.

Isn't it likely it's been there(and everywhere else) for ages it's just Britain spotted it earlier because we're good at spotting these things for some reason.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on December 30, 2020, 12:29:00 AM
That's a possibility, which is not really the same as it being likely.

The UK does a relatively large amount of genome sequencing.

You can still spot people infected with variants like KentVid without genome sequencing (although you won't be certain which exact variant it is), depending on how you do PCR tests.

(This is also why some of the stuff that the FT have been putting out is infuriating.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on December 30, 2020, 12:35:47 AM
Ah ok. Thanks!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: C_Larence on December 30, 2020, 05:06:36 AM
Surely the US must have its fair share of variants, considering the vast numbers of hosts the virus has had the opportunity to mutate in.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 30, 2020, 08:11:47 AM
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 30, 2020, 09:34:25 AM
Congresssman-elect Luke Letlow, who posted a picture of him having voted with his "neck gaiter" down around his neck and a maskless meet and greet on December 5th, has died of COVID.

Maskless meet and greet: https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1334232903673401346

Maskless voting picture: https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1335274543552868352

Maskless photos at  Louisiana Federation of Republican Women autumn meeting: https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1327807559789662208

Maskless farmers board meeting: https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1326949890476355585/photo/1

Very sad this man has died, especially as he was only 41, but I hope this brings home to his maskless supporters how important wearing a mask is.

A special election will be required to elect a candidate to represent the congressional district.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on December 30, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
One down.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 30, 2020, 02:43:17 PM
rest in piss
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on December 30, 2020, 02:48:17 PM
He died doing what he loved. Contracting and spreading a deadly virus.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 30, 2020, 03:20:15 PM
I downgrade the warm condolences from 'very sad' to just 'sad'.

If you endanger other people's lives to such a repeatedly brazen degree while in a job which carries a specific duty to not only act responsibly but foster that behaviour in others, that itself shows either a sociopathic disregard for those people or a subnormal level of intelligence. As it is clearly the former, there is a ceiling on sympathy here and it is about ankle height.

Sorry also for the transmissions, illnesses and deaths midwifed and inspired by the leadership of this debauched reckless dead cunt.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on December 31, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
The Texas Attorney General is suing the City of Austin and Travis County for bringing in new coronavirus restrictions for the New Year weekend, which goes against governor Greg Abbot's executive order.

.
Quote...Paxton filed a petition for temporary injunction and a temporary restraining order in Travis County District Court targeting orders made by Austin Mayor Steve Adler and Travis County Judge Andy Brown. Citing an increase in COVID-19 cases, they announced that dine-in food and beverage service must be restricted indoors and outdoors from 10:30 p.m. to 6 a.m., starting Thursday and ending at 6 a.m. Sunday...

The measure did allow drive-thru, curbside pick-up, take out, or delivery services.Austin and Travis County officials warned that the area has seen a troubling rise in COVID-19 cases and they are worried about hospital capacity. In the last month, the county's positivity rate — the percentage of tests that come back positive for COVID-19 — and ICU bed usage have almost doubled. New daily cases have more than quadrupled in the same period, according to the county's COVID-19 dashboards.

"Today in Texas, COVID-19 represents one in five of every person hospitalized," said Mark Escott, interim health authority and public health medical director for the City of Austin and Travis County. "The policies that we've had have not worked to curb the spread of the disease ... Now it's the time to reconsider those decisions so that we can protect Texas."...

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/30/texas-greg-abbott-austin-new-years/

Travis County, which has a population of just over a million, reported 697 cases yesterday.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on December 31, 2020, 05:06:46 PM
QuotePolice and federal authorities in the US are investigating after a Wisconsin health centre said an employee admitted to deliberately spoiling 500 doses of coronavirus vaccine.

Aurora medical centre, in Grafton, first reported that the doses had been spoiled on Saturday, saying a staff member had accidentally left them out of refrigeration overnight. On Wednesday, however, it said the doses appeared to have been spoiled deliberately.

Anti-vaxxer or just a tit?

And Operation Warp Speed is turning out to be more like Operation Half Impulse.

QuoteOnly about 2.6 million Americans had received a Covid-19 vaccine going into the last day of December, putting the US far short of the government's target to vaccinate 20 million people this month.

About 14 million doses of Pfizer's and Moderna's vaccines have been distributed to states so far, federal officials told reporters on Wednesday.

In early December, officials maintained they would have 40 million doses available this month, enough to vaccinate 20 million Americans with a two-dose regimen.

Since then, officials have said they are committed to making enough doses available without commenting on targets for actual vaccinations as it has become clear that inoculations are falling short of the number of doses distributed.

"The rapid availability and distribution of so many doses with 20 million first doses allocated for distribution just 18 days after the first vaccine was granted emergency use authorisation is a testament to the success of Operation Warp Speed," a US Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson said in a statement.

Doses that have been allocated but not distributed will ship in January.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on December 31, 2020, 09:29:16 PM
at this rate i should be vaccinated sometime around 2025
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 01, 2021, 08:46:13 PM
Quote... Authorities arrested a suburban Milwaukee pharmacist Thursday suspected of deliberately ruining hundreds of doses of coronavirus vaccine by removing them from refrigeration for two nights.

The arrest marks another setback in what has been a slower, messier start to vaccinate Americans than public health officials had expected. Leaders in Wisconsin and other states have been begging the Trump administration for more doses as health care workers and senior citizens line up for the lifesaving vaccine.

Police in Grafton, about 20 miles north of Milwaukee, said the Advocate Aurora Health pharmacist was arrested on suspicion of reckless endangerment, adulterating a prescription drug and criminal damage to property, all felonies. The pharmacist has been fired and police said in a news release that he was in jail. Police did not identify the pharmacist, saying he has not yet been formally charged.

His motive remains unclear. Police said that detectives believe he knew the spoiled doses would be useless and people who received them would mistakenly think they'd been vaccinated when they hadn't...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-wisconsin-spoiled-vaccines-investigation-20201231-2vpl2brysjgoffw2qk6kji6z3e-story.html
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 01, 2021, 11:24:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HavF5f3VoA
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on January 01, 2021, 11:58:31 PM
"His motive remains unclear. Police said that detectives believe he knew the spoiled doses would be useless and people who received them would mistakenly think they'd been vaccinated when they hadn't..."

i just.. what is wrong with people

he should be charged with attempted manslaughter
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 02, 2021, 12:07:20 AM
Just a maladjusted unfucked little cunt probably
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Menu on January 02, 2021, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 02, 2021, 12:07:20 AM
Just a maladjusted unfucked little cunt probably

Which one of us is he?
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Post by: Dex Sawash on January 02, 2021, 12:35:41 AM
It was a lot of doses to take full-strength
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Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on January 02, 2021, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: MrMrs on January 01, 2021, 11:58:31 PM
"His motive remains unclear. Police said that detectives believe he knew the spoiled doses would be useless and people who received them would mistakenly think they'd been vaccinated when they hadn't..."

i just.. what is wrong with people

he should be charged with attempted manslaughter

Fucking hell, someone's in the wrong profession.
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Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 02, 2021, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: Rich Uncle Skeleton on January 02, 2021, 01:06:06 PM
Fucking hell, someone's in the wrong profession.

Ian  Lee retrains as doctor
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Post by: Ferris on January 02, 2021, 01:14:48 PM
I read about that. Assumed it was a "Peter's Mad Thoughts: American Vacation" type of thing
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Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 02, 2021, 06:30:06 PM
Footage from a club in Miami yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFaDjX5SSGw
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on January 02, 2021, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on January 02, 2021, 06:30:06 PM
Footage from a club in Miami yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFaDjX5SSGw

A couple of masks spotted there. They should be fine.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 03, 2021, 02:20:10 PM
Just the 291,000 new cases today.

I said they'd top out at 300k, looks like I'm wrong. The US response has been baffling, really really strange shit.

Death rate is somewhere around 3% so that's a potential 9k a day dead by end of the month, though the percentage lethality increases as the case volumes increase (and hospital beds fill up) so that could be more like 10k a day through feb.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 03, 2021, 04:33:46 PM
absolutely no way this tops out this month. mid january is going to be carnage.
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Post by: monkfromhavana on January 03, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
If you will let me put on the conspiracy theorist, tin foil hat for a mad minute or two... I'd suggest the response is shit because they want to kill off a lot a people. Reduce burden on pensions, lots of empty property on the market and also as a response to global warming. Kill off enough people to reduce consumption, pauperize the rest so they can't afford to travel anywhere by plane...that way the rich can still use oil and pranny about on private jets.

Anyway, I feel better now I've got such nonsense off my chest (although it is still nagging away in the back of my tiny mind.

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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on January 03, 2021, 05:46:49 PM
The response was baffling at first but I think it makes sense now. It became clear fairly early in 2020 that the federal government in particular (both parties) decided that they were going to simply let the pandemic run its course and sacrifice a bunch of people rather than make the massive government expenditures necessary to properly slow it down. Neoliberalism run rampant. That also seeded the anti-mask, Covid-skeptic movement. Most people forget that those early protest were fairly obviously astroturfing campaigns designed to keep businesses open and profits flowing.

Most of what they've done has been total security theater. There has never been an actual lockdown or even mask mandate in the United States because none of the "directives" have ever been meaningfully enforced. All the talk of the "lockdowns" working or not working is Orwellian nonsense.

The scary thing is they've now learned that they can engage in this kind of murderous sociopathism and get away with it politically.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 03, 2021, 05:55:01 PM
it's obvious that they're fine with it killing off the poors because basically no one of any wealth or influence has suffered any adverse effects of it.

EDIT: now that i read that i realize i've skipped a few mental steps there but alas i am too stoned to fix it. you'll get there.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: scarecrow on January 04, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
QuoteThis is the air powered costume an employee wore in the Emergency Dept.of Kaiser Permanente San Jose Medical Center Xmas day to spread cheer. Turns out employee unknowingly had covid , now 43 employees have covid .Kaiser investigating if costume blower helped spread the virus.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqz3-axVkAArah9?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/mariannefavro/status/1345723045164404737?s=21&fbclid=IwAR07N8Lh3YEFSS_NgouL5JJNrGHH5dPnvUUNRu8fyYrxYkDakt8XZ1AFvt4
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 04, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
hahahahahahahahhabahabasbshbahahaaahahaha

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 04, 2021, 02:53:08 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 03, 2021, 02:20:10 PM
Just the 291,000 new cases today.

I said they'd top out at 300k, looks like I'm wrong. The US response has been baffling, really really strange shit.

Death rate is somewhere around 3% so that's a potential 9k a day dead by end of the month, though the percentage lethality increases as the case volumes increase (and hospital beds fill up) so that could be more like 10k a day through feb.

Ahh the 291k number is because various states/counties are reporting consolidated numbers over the holiday period so those should have been included at various points in the last week or two - they can't be (because no one recorded the data) so the figures were dumped into yesterday's number and on we go.

Back to 201k for today. That's a Sunday, so it is still an incredibly high number but tomorrow's figures will start giving a clearer picture of just how much fuckdown is being created.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 04, 2021, 03:00:52 PM
have noticed a steady increase in no mask cunts when doing the grocery shopping. will have to switch back to pick up orders, i'm gonna end up lamping one of the cunts in front of their kids.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on January 04, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: scarecrow on January 04, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqz3-axVkAArah9?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/mariannefavro/status/1345723045164404737?s=21&fbclid=IwAR07N8Lh3YEFSS_NgouL5JJNrGHH5dPnvUUNRu8fyYrxYkDakt8XZ1AFvt4

O covidbaum O covidbaum
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 05, 2021, 05:43:15 AM
LA ambulance crews have been advised to cut back on their use of oxygen and to not bring to hospitals patients who have virtually no chance of survival, according to the LA Times.

That doesn't seem to have deterred anti-mask protestors who decided to put staff and shoppers at a shop called Ralph's and the Westfield Century City shopping centre at risk of COVID: https://twitter.com/SamBraslow/status/1345916823951167488

Nothing will get through to these people.

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Post by: JamesTC on January 05, 2021, 11:41:04 AM
Quote from: scarecrow on January 04, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqz3-axVkAArah9?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/mariannefavro/status/1345723045164404737?s=21&fbclid=IwAR07N8Lh3YEFSS_NgouL5JJNrGHH5dPnvUUNRu8fyYrxYkDakt8XZ1AFvt4

The cunt isn't wearing a mask.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
Over 4000 people died with Covid yesterday in America. A new record!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 08, 2021, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
Over 4000 people died with Covid yesterday in America. A new record!

Hittin' KPI

Proud of u boyz
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on January 08, 2021, 09:04:10 PM
American authorities suspect they have their own more infectious variant.

QuoteThe US may have its own version of a more transmissible coronavirus and that might be helping fuel the already aggressive spread of the virus, the White House coronavirus task force said in its latest report to states this week.

Reports sent by the task force to states dated January 3 warned of the possibility of a "USA variant" of Covid-19.

"This fall/winter surge has been at nearly twice the rate of rise of cases as the spring and summer surges. This acceleration suggests there may be a USA variant that has evolved here, in addition to the UK variant that is already spreading in our communities and may be 50% more transmissible," reports obtained by CNN said, calling for "aggressive mitigation ... to match a much more aggressive virus."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-reports/index.html
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Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 09:12:43 PM
These American adaptations of classic British deadly viruses are never as good as the originals.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 08, 2021, 09:39:21 PM
Suggests? They're extrapolating purely from data patterns, not lab testing?

One thing we've learned already is that if there's even a report of one person with an infection, variant or otherwise, it's already breached so many perimeters that you've got to go full China or full fuckdown.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 09, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
The coronavirus restrictions for each state can be seen here. Delaware advises staying at home but has most businesses open, which is surprising:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 09, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
Not a good time for a hospital in LA to be scheduled to closed for renovations at the end of March: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-08/covid-19-surge-la-hospital-set-to-close

QuoteWhen healthcare workers at Olympia Medical Center reported for work on New Year's Eve, they were prepared for another grueling day of patient care amid L.A.'s worsening COVID-19 surge. What they weren't prepared for was the laminated paper taped to the front door.

"Olympia Medical Center has elected to voluntarily suspend all patient care services, including the emergency department and all emergency medical services, as of 11:59 p.m. on March 31, 2021," the notice said.

Employees were outraged, blindsided and concerned, with one medical staff officer calling it a "terrible public health mistake" to close an L.A. hospital in the midst of the pandemic.

"How can we be having an acute-care hospital shut down by March 31 when we need hospital beds, when they're putting up field hospitals and asking Navy ships to come back?" said the officer, Dr. Don Schiller. Any patients who remain at Olympia on April 1, he noted, will have to be transferred to another hospital because all clinical activity will stop.


Yet few answers were immediately available, either for the 450 healthcare workers who will lose their jobs at the 204-bed hospital in Mid-Wilshire, or for the community that relies on it...

Even if hospital admissions in LA are lower by the end of March, losing 204 beds is going to be a major issue.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-08/covid-19-surge-la-hospital-set-to-close
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on January 09, 2021, 10:30:22 PM
a tactical move?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 09, 2021, 11:17:43 PM
I think this is the worst of it (he says, jinxing the whole thing).

Case numbers will stay in hundreds of thousands per day, but with the vaccinations rolling out the vulnerable should be protected and the mortality rate should decline. Really hope this is as bad as it gets, anyway.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 09, 2021, 11:29:36 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/09/flu-covid-twindemic-us-fears-recede-influenza

Positive flu tests well down on last year, but not out of the woods yet, sometimes flu season starts late.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on January 09, 2021, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 09:12:43 PM
These American adaptations of classic British deadly viruses are never as good as the originals.

But they often go for many more seasons.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 10, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 11:17:43 PM
I think this is the worst of it (he says, jinxing the whole thing).

Case numbers will stay in hundreds of thousands per day, but with the vaccinations rolling out the vulnerable should be protected and the mortality rate should decline. Really hope this is as bad as it gets, anyway.

you have far too much faith in the vaccine rollout
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 10, 2021, 04:42:46 PM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on January 10, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
you have far too much faith in the vaccine rollout

I have no doubt the global rollout will be a proper fuckdown, but even the sputtering US effort has got 6.7m needles into arms already (including 700k into the wrinklies at care homes, the demographic who made up 1/3 of the total US deaths). That's a big chunk of very vulnerable people who are (to some extent) protected now. Cases will continue to increase 1-2m+ per week because of the bizarre political setup of the US, but if the people at highest risk of dying are protected, I'd expect mortality rates to drop.

There's so much economic and political pressure to vaccinate every worker drone valued citizen that even the shittiest and most uncoordinated efforts (like the patchwork US healthcare system) will do at least half a job.

This is, of course, based on absolutely fuck all outside of my reading of the numbers and vague tea-leaf reading hoodoo.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on January 12, 2021, 04:02:41 PM
hundreds of Alabama fans flood the streets after their team annihilates Ohio State, 52-24, in college football's championship (https://youtu.be/P8vvbGqUjYY)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 12, 2021, 05:36:55 PM
rip
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 13, 2021, 08:22:28 AM
Alabama recorded the 5th most deaths yesterday despite being the 24th most populous state.

4281 deaths in the US yesterday.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 13, 2021, 12:24:30 PM
The NY Times is reporting 4400 in the ground yesterday. Back of the envelope maths, that means the lethality rate is somewhere around 2% (down from over 3% at the beginning of the pandemic) so medical staff are better at treating it, and that's with (or maybe because of?) the huge increase of people in hospital beds.

I think that's good news, though obviously the constant surging of cases (and new cases, at that) is still terrifying.
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Post by: Head Gardener on January 13, 2021, 04:05:30 PM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/4b3c7ed0db6cb9a145c6ee77c9e3e11a/735174c4a9313b5d-f9/s1280x1920/b07b4dc3ed68b698acae97e88c91d9c0b320788e.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Alberon on January 13, 2021, 04:22:00 PM
It's sad how Bruce Willis is in consistantly lower and lower budget stuff as time passes.
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Post by: Ferris on January 13, 2021, 04:22:55 PM
First the harmonica playing and now this. Bruce has lost it.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on January 13, 2021, 04:27:42 PM
You'd think celebs would love the opportunity to  cover their faces without attracting attention when they go out shopping, particularly Willis who apparently tells autograph seekers to fuck off when they approach him.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on January 13, 2021, 04:27:42 PM
You'd think celebs would love the opportunity to  cover their faces without attracting attention when they go out shopping, particularly Willis who apparently tells autograph seekers to fuck off when they approach him.

To be fair, anyone asking Bruce Willis for an autograph in the year 2021 is probably a bit of a wrong 'in.
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Post by: Chedney Honks on January 13, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
Dogshit Nation ticking themselves off one at a time.

Too bad 😂😂😂
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 09:25:54 PM
This is the worst thing Bruce Willis has done since Die Hard 5.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 14, 2021, 12:01:46 AM
The good thing is that the death rate has dropped by a fair bit after finding steroids help, but of course, you need a hospital bed and someone to administer them.....
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 14, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
One in three Los Angeles County residents have been infected with coronavirus, local scientists estimate.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on January 14, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
Wish one in three were dead.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 14, 2021, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on January 14, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
Wish one in three were dead.

give it another couple of months tbh
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on January 15, 2021, 11:04:48 PM
Meanwhile, in Ontario.

(https://i.imgur.com/5wuXclA.png)

Lovely stuff.

You know how in the US, the right defines itself in opposition to the left? In many ways, Canada defines itself in opposition to the US. Thank christ.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 15, 2021, 11:45:05 PM
Canada and the US have a similar relationship to Scotland/England or NZ/Australia in my experience - people from the smaller country define themselves in opposition tto the local cultural behemoth[nb]usually to everyone's benefit - I seem to have more Scots, kiwi and Canadian friends than Australians/Americans/the English, and I am English[/nb]. A gross oversimplification, but seems to largely be true.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 16, 2021, 11:45:59 AM
Texas governor Greg Abbott spoke at an indoor discussion about the "top issues facing Texas". According to news reporter for KXAN News John Engel, about half of the crowd did not wear a mask.

His priorities included "Fight overreach of Biden admin" but I can't see one specific to COVID in the list the KXAN news reporter tweeted, unless you include fighting COVID in his public safety pledge.

https://twitter.com/EngelsAngle/status/1349862732754014214

Meanwhile, a Texas state representative who "spoke without a mask for about a minute from the microphone at the front of the chamber" and who sat at his desk in the House "with his mask pulled down below his nose and mouth" has now tested positive for coronavirus.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/15/texas-house-member-coronavirus-quarantine/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on January 16, 2021, 01:23:42 PM
obviously
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on January 17, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
There's a group of anti-maskers in Toronto calling themselves "Hugs Over Masks" (or something... the mind boggles). Anyway, they held a rally downtown to protest the latest lockdown. And people were all like, yeah whatever, like the police will do anything. Then the police showed up and cracked some heads. Lovely stuff! (https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/kypn5f/cops_raid_antimasker_protest/)

The woman speaking on the mic who says "You can't arrest me! I do not consent!" before she gets arrested is called Kelly Anne Wolfe, who seems to be a general local nut.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MrMrs on January 17, 2021, 03:32:32 PM
yeah but acab always
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on January 17, 2021, 03:55:49 PM
Genuinely enjoyed watching that. Wish a few had been beaten absolutely senseless, though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 17, 2021, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on January 17, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
There's a group of anti-maskers in Toronto calling themselves "Hugs Over Masks" (or something... the mind boggles). Anyway, they held a rally downtown to protest the latest lockdown. And people were all like, yeah whatever, like the police will do anything. Then the police showed up and cracked some heads. Lovely stuff! (https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/kypn5f/cops_raid_antimasker_protest/)

The woman speaking on the mic who says "You can't arrest me! I do not consent!" before she gets arrested is called Kelly Anne Wolfe, who seems to be a general local nut.

Yonge and Dundas - good place for an unhinged protest as the majority of the city's lunatics are already there.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 18, 2021, 09:31:21 AM
Three regions of Texas - Abilene, Bryan-College Station and Laredo - currently have no intensive care beds. Bryan-College Station alone has over 270,000 residents.   

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/17/coronavirus-texas-hospital-icu-no-capacity/

Also, the former manager of Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, Rebekah Jones, says she will turn herself in after an arrest warrant was issued.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-data-scientist-battle-state-over-covid-dashboard-plans-turn-n1254544

Quote...A search warrant was executed on Jones' Tallahassee home after she allegedly accessed a Department of Health-run communications platform and sent a Nov. 10 group text warning users that it was "time to speak up before another 17,000 people are dead."

She has denied the accusations and filed a lawsuit against the state, claiming the Dec. 7 raid was initiated to "silence" her online speech and curry favor with Gov. Ron DeSantis...

Jones claims she was ousted from the project after refusing to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-data-scientist-battle-state-over-covid-dashboard-plans-turn-n1254544
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-official-says-she-was-ousted-refusing-censor-coronavirus-data-n1210551
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 24, 2021, 07:07:53 PM
Arizona Republican Party does its bit for superspreading:

https://twitter.com/AZGOP/status/1353098659139735552


Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 25, 2021, 12:32:42 PM
Email from the California Restaurant Association says Gavin Newsom will be lifting the stay-at-home order for all regions across the state tomorrow

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1353572394695180293

ICU availability in Southern California is at 0%.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 25, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
Newsom has been a spectacularly poor governor.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on January 25, 2021, 01:35:37 PM
ICU is something that families won't be saying to loved ones in California for much longer.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 25, 2021, 07:54:44 PM
someone dies of Covid every 8 minutes in LA and they had to change the air pollution regulations because they're cremating so many bodies.

be grand.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on January 25, 2021, 08:21:49 PM
The US has also had the highest number of deaths from gun violence in 20 years, partly due to Covid (more people stocking up on guns, increased domestic violence, and other factors)

https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 25, 2021, 08:50:14 PM
Quotewidespread perceptions that police departments have stepped back from their responsibilities in response to this year's racial justice protests.

"Officers are afraid to do anything because they don't want to make a mistake and get in trouble," a New York Police Department sergeant, speaking recently with THE CITY, explained of his colleagues. "They're afraid to stick their neck out to do anything because they don't want to get fired."

More murdahs because of the goddamn woke PC brigade won't let us kerbstomp darkie
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 26, 2021, 10:53:49 AM
California had over 30,000 cases yesterday, I know nearly 40 million live there but that's still a high number of cases.

Even LA County is relaxing rules - outdoor dining from Friday (not sure how much of a risk this is), family entertainment centres (how defined?) to open at 50% capacity, tourism and individual travel now permitted, hair and nail salons can open at 25% capacity, shopping centres can now operate at 25% capacity not 20%. Card rooms (not sure what they are - is it gambling?) can open outdoors at 50% capacity.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-25/la-lifting-stay-at-home-covid-rules-whats-open-now

Instead of reopening nail salons and hotels, Newsome should be bailing them out.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on January 27, 2021, 12:09:35 PM
Cases dropping, just 170k today (down from 260k a day at its peak). That'll be below 100k in a week or two.

Deaths still very high (4200+ dead yesterday) which looks like the holdover from the holiday spike, but I reckon that will start to drop off as vaccinations increase and case numbers dip. Total number of people hospitalized also going in the right direction (though that may be because so many patients are leaving the hospital via the morgue).

With the increased vaccination schedule, I think this is as bad as it'll get for the yanks. Hope so anyway.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on January 27, 2021, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on January 26, 2021, 10:53:49 AM
California had over 30,000 cases yesterday, I know nearly 40 million live there but that's still a high number of cases.

Even LA County is relaxing rules - outdoor dining from Friday (not sure how much of a risk this is), family entertainment centres (how defined?) to open at 50% capacity, tourism and individual travel now permitted, hair and nail salons can open at 25% capacity, shopping centres can now operate at 25% capacity not 20%. Card rooms (not sure what they are - is it gambling?) can open outdoors at 50% capacity.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-25/la-lifting-stay-at-home-covid-rules-whats-open-now

Instead of reopening nail salons and hotels, Newsome should be bailing them out.

"Lockdown means you can't say a final goodbye to a recently deceased loved one?

Have no fear, our team of experienced beauticians and manicurists are on "hand" to give your dearest a send off to remember.

Starting from just 100 dollars, you can doll up grandma or polish beloved Uncle Joe before they meet their maker*

*Photography costs not included"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on January 27, 2021, 01:00:05 PM
Oklahoma trying to return its $2m stockpile of hydroxychloroquine to the manufacturer (https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on January 27, 2021, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on January 27, 2021, 01:00:05 PM
Oklahoma trying to return its $2m stockpile of hydroxychloroquine to the manufacturer (https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/).

what about the zinc supplements?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on January 27, 2021, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on January 27, 2021, 04:54:09 PM
what about the zinc supplements?

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S03E16/65693.jpg?b64lines=Q29tZSBiYWNrLCB6aW5jLiAKQ29tZSBiYWNrIQ==)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on January 27, 2021, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 27, 2021, 12:09:35 PM
Cases dropping, just 170k today (down from 260k a day at its peak). That'll be below 100k in a week or two.

Why are cases dropping? Are states implementing more lockdown? Most of the media I look at only covers the federal level, or extreme state level stuff, so I don't understand why cases would be dropping at the moment.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Noodle Lizard on January 28, 2021, 02:17:39 AM
Quote from: MojoJojo on January 27, 2021, 11:29:52 PM
Why are cases dropping? Are states implementing more lockdown? Most of the media I look at only covers the federal level, or extreme state level stuff, so I don't understand why cases would be dropping at the moment.

I think the WHO recently changed the standards for determining thresholds on PCR tests, which would naturally result in a lower nationwide case count: https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

If we're talking California, they've also recently decided to stop publishing certain data regarding COVID ahead of lifting the strict stay-at-home orders (during the implementation of which the data showed we had the worst surge in the country, the lowest ICU capacity and a new mutation all of our own): https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/secret-california-key-virus-data-public-75432129

The dates are purely coincidental, mind.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on January 28, 2021, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: Noodle Lizard on January 28, 2021, 02:17:39 AM
I think the WHO recently changed the standards for determining thresholds on PCR tests, which would naturally result in a lower nationwide case count: https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05


I read through that but "I Can't Explain" it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 30, 2021, 12:27:46 PM
Weddings to resume in March 15th in New York with a limit of up to 150 people or 50% of the venue's capacity. Local health departments must approve and everyone must have a negative COVID test.

However, who will be making sure that all these guests have a COVID test? What about people who get COVID between the test and the wedding, such as people who get the subway to the wedding?

https://gothamist.com/news/cuomo-announces-weddings-150-people-maximum-can-resume-march

QuoteAccording to the state's numbers, NYC's positivity rate dropped from 7.1% on January 5th to 4.9% on Thursday (NYC's current seven-day average is 8.74%; remember, the city and state have different numbers), and the governor said studies suggest the number will continue to trend downward.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on January 30, 2021, 01:30:18 PM
lol gatherings of that size requiring a permit is literally the only anti covid measure we've had for months in this part of the US.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 31, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
QuoteDodger Stadium's mass COVID-19 vaccination site was temporarily shut down Saturday afternoon when about 50 protesters gathered at the entrance, frustrating hundreds of motorists who had been waiting in line for hours.

The Los Angeles Fire Department closed the entrance to the stadium — one of the largest vaccination sites in the country — for about an hour starting just before 2 p.m. as a precaution, officials said. Several LAPD officers also responded to the scene; a spokeswoman for the department said no arrests were made...

A post on social media described the demonstration as the "Scamdemic Protest/March." It advised participants to "please refrain from wearing Trump/MAGA attire as we want our statement to resonate with the sheeple. No flags but informational signs only.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-30/dodger-stadiums-covid-19-vaccination-site-shutdown-after-dozens-of-protesters-gather-at-entrance

Protests should be illegal within 30 metres of vaccine sites. Not sure what the regulations are on protesting in California during the pandemic but these protestors are putting lives at risk by denying vaccinations and yelling in a big group during a pandemic. No doubt some of them will get COVID from their protest and spread it to others.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Head Gardener on February 04, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
meanwhile in Florida (https://youtu.be/EWaEsd9I3WQ)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 05, 2021, 03:24:41 PM
San Francisco is suing its own school district:

QuoteThe fight over reopening San Francisco's public schools will take a dramatic, heated turn on Wednesday as the city becomes the first in the state — and possibly the entire country — to sue its own school district to force classroom doors open.

City Attorney Dennis Herrera, with the blessing of Mayor London Breed, plans to sue the San Francisco Board of Education and the San Francisco Unified School District for violating a state law compelling districts to adopt a clear plan during the COVID-19 pandemic describing actions they "will take to offer classroom-based instruction whenever possible."

The law says such a plan must be in place particularly for students who've experienced "significant learning loss due to school closures." But not a single student in the San Francisco public schools — including students with severe disabilities, homeless students and those learning English — has seen the inside of their classroom in nearly 11 months, and district data shows learning loss has hit students of color and low-income students particularly hard.

Even with that glaring inequity, the district's plan for welcoming any of its 52,000 students back remains full of "ambiguous, empty rhetoric," Herrera said...

School Board President Gabriela López said Wednesday that she doesn't believe the lawsuit will get students in classrooms more quickly.

"I think filing a lawsuit will most likely slow us down," she said. "I don't see how this is helpful right now when we are making progress and the county has failed to provide the necessary support with the testing and vaccines we need."...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/San-Francisco-sues-its-own-school-district-board-15920075.php

There's also a new coronavirus varient in the San Francisco area: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/How-the-Bay-Area-coronavirus-variant-differs-from-15900526.php
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on February 05, 2021, 03:50:59 PM
I think if Covid has taught us anything, it's that the end of Watchmen is optimistic horseshit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 06, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
Trump's executions may have killed more people than expected:

QuoteAs the Trump administration was nearing the end of an unprecedented string of executions, 70% of death row inmates were sick with COVID-19. Guards were ill. Traveling prison staff on the execution team were infected with the coronavirus. So were media witnesses, who may have unknowingly infected others when they returned home because they were never told about the spreading cases.

Records obtained by the Associated Press show that employees at the Indiana prison complex where the 13 executions were carried out over six months had contact with inmates and other people infected with the coronavirus but were able to refuse testing and declined to participate in contact tracing efforts — and were still permitted to return to their work assignments.

Other staff members, including those brought in to help with executions, spread tips to their colleagues about how they could avoid quarantines and skirt public health guidance from the federal government and Indiana health officials.

The executions at the end of Trump's presidency, completed in a short window over a few weeks, likely acted as a superspreader event, according to the records reviewed by AP. It was something health experts warned could happen when the Justice Department insisted on resuming executions during the pandemic...

Of the 47 people on death row, 33 tested positive between Dec. 16 and Dec. 20, becoming infected soon after the executions of Brandon Bernard on Dec. 10 and Alfred Bourgeois on Dec. 11, according to Colorado-based attorney Madeline Cohen, who compiled the names of those who tested positive by reaching out to other federal death row lawyers. Other lawyers, as well as activists in contact with death row inmates, told AP they were told that a large numbers of death row inmates tested positive in mid-December.

In addition, at least a dozen other people, including execution team members, media witnesses and a spiritual adviser, tested positive within the incubation period of the virus, meeting the criteria of a superspreader event, in which one or more individuals trigger an outbreak that spreads to many others outside their circle of acquaintances. The tally could be far higher, but without contact tracing, it's impossible to be sure...

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-02-05/ap-analysis-federal-executions-likely-a-covid-superspreader
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 09, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
LA resident owes $42,184.20 after being hospitalised for COVID: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-08/covid-treatment-hospital-bills-health-insurance-waivers

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on February 09, 2021, 10:05:07 AM
Serves him right the daft sod/goddamn asshole.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on February 09, 2021, 01:50:25 PM
I see testing numbers are way down and top yankee boffins are scratching their heads trying to work out why, in the midst of a pandemic, their for-profit doctors aren't testing people.

Anyway.

QuoteBurned by Low Reimbursements, Some Doctors Stop Testing for Covid
Some insurers pay pediatricians less than the cost of the test itself, jeopardizing a tool to help control the pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/upshot/covid-testing-children-pediatricians.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 12, 2021, 11:59:52 AM
Not sure how good a source Mother Jones is, but this is a concerning story:

QuoteIn most places in the United States, teachers don't yet qualify for COVID-19 vaccines. But one county in rural Georgia decided several weeks ago that its educators deserved early protection from the coronavirus—and now will face stiff consequences as a result.

Bucking designated priority group orders from the Georgia Department of Public Health, officials in Elbert County allowed teachers to be vaccinated at the same time as senior citizens over the age of 65. The county, which is in the northeast corner of Georgia, opened schools for in-person learning in the fall. Elbert County officials explained to the Atlanta Journal Constitution that many local students lack internet required for remote learning, and some rely on schools for food. The teachers are "seeing it, they're facing it every day, a lot of times with 20 kids in their classroom," Elbert County School District superintendent Jon Jarvis told the Atlanta Journal Constitution earlier this week. 

"I think it's really important that we stop punishing groups or individuals for vaccinating those outside state or [national] COVID-19 vaccination guidelines."

But yesterday, Elbert County got word from the Georgia Department of Public Health that it would be punished for flouting the guidelines. The state plans to suspend all vaccine shipments to Elbert County for six months. According to Georgia DPH spokesperson Nancy Nydam, the state will not resume shipments to Elbert County until late July. "It is critical that DPH maintains the highest standards for vaccine accountability to ensure all federal and state requirements are adhered to by all parties, and vaccine is administered efficiently and equitably," Nydam wrote to me in an email...

https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2021/01/a-rural-county-in-georgia-vaccinated-teachers-the-state-suspended-vaccine-shipments-to-punish-them/

That's punishing the residents of Elbert County for the actions of its officials, and if teachers are having to teach 20 children in classrooms I don't blame the officials for wanting to give them the vaccine earlier.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 19, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
US Senator who refuses to wear a mask has to sit in plexiglass box during Senate sessions: https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1362754513967456261

I presume the box has a lid, can't see from that angle.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on February 21, 2021, 06:21:50 PM
don't know about that one in particular but i've yet to see one of those plexiglass things with a lid
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 21, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
I presume someone has to clean the inside of that box after every Senate session. That must be fun.

It would be better to make her take part over Zoom if she refuses to wear a mask.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on February 21, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on February 19, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
US Senator who refuses to wear a mask has to sit in plexiglass box during Senate sessions: https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1362754513967456261

I presume the box has a lid, can't see from that angle.

Should point out she's a state senator, and this is the Virginia state senate rather than the US Federal gov.

You get more lunatics at the lower levels of government. Still absolutely baffling though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on February 25, 2021, 05:04:42 PM
What's going on with the US death rate? Caseload has plummeted back to where it was in October, but instead of a similar number of deaths (700+ a day) its ~3200 or nearly 5x times what you'd expect and similar to the worst levels of pandemic. Virginia's map in particular is worrying - their death toll has shot up and I haven't seen a reason why that would be.

Hoping it is an anomaly.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on February 25, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 25, 2021, 05:04:42 PM
What's going on with the US death rate? Caseload has plummeted back to where it was in October, but instead of a similar number of deaths (700+ a day) its ~3200 or nearly 5x times what you'd expect and similar to the worst levels of pandemic. Virginia's map in particular is worrying - their death toll has shot up and I haven't seen a reason why that would be.

Hoping it is an anomaly.

i've been trying to tune out the covid news a bit but could it be related to the US mutation that absolutely ripped through LA?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 25, 2021, 07:56:52 PM
LA County  has reported a backlog of over 800 deaths from the autumn and winter surge, taking California over 50,000 deaths : https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-25/la-county-discovers-806-new-winter-covid-deaths

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on February 25, 2021, 08:48:55 PM
More people in the at risk category or really band concentrations in certain areas would keep the deaths relatively high while infections drop off nationwide.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on February 26, 2021, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: MojoJojo on January 27, 2021, 11:29:52 PM
Why are cases dropping? Are states implementing more lockdown? Most of the media I look at only covers the federal level, or extreme state level stuff, so I don't understand why cases would be dropping at the moment.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on February 26, 2021, 06:50:48 AM
nowhere is locking down more strictly, i'll say that much. if anything it's the opposite, most places have given up any pretense of containment.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on February 26, 2021, 07:53:25 AM
One explanation about why reported cases are dropping for no apparent reason with death rates remaining high is that reported cases are being lied about. Most likely by reducing the number of tests administered.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on February 26, 2021, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on February 26, 2021, 06:50:48 AM
nowhere is locking down more strictly, i'll say that much. if anything it's the opposite, most places have given up any pretense of containment.

Road traffic is back to normal here (NC america)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on February 26, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on February 26, 2021, 11:38:57 AM
Road traffic is back to normal here (NC america)

there are effectively no measures in place in the city i'm in. people wear masks but depending on what part of town you're in compliance can range from 95~% to basically non existent.

i think the only time there was ever a noticeable drop in road traffic here (midwest small city) was during the first lockdown. been pretty much normal since.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on February 26, 2021, 03:28:03 PM
The bit of Toronto I used to live in had some tourist shit nearby, and those cunts were aggressively advertising free parking (billboards, instagram posts, native news stories in local mags, the works) to get more people to basically come on down to Ferris' gaff and get livin covid-a loca. What on earth were they thinking[nb]they were thinking about money[/nb].
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on February 26, 2021, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 26, 2021, 03:28:03 PM
The bit of Toronto I used to live in had some tourist shit nearby, and those cunts were aggressively advertising free parking (billboards, instagram posts, native news stories in local mags, the works) to get more people to basically come on down to Ferris' gaff and get livin covid-a loca. What on earth were they thinking[nb]they were thinking about money[/nb].

what tourist shit? the hockey hall of fame?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on February 26, 2021, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on February 26, 2021, 07:19:16 PM
what tourist shit? the hockey hall of fame?

You bought a suit in the area I'm talking about! How quickly we forget.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 28, 2021, 05:54:58 PM
Trump to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference today in Orlando, Florida at 3:40pm ET.

Looks like a superspreader event from this photo: https://twitter.com/RobertShermanTV/status/1366068019550687235/photo/1

Doesn't seem to be much in the way of masks either:
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1365808075547037701
https://twitter.com/FOVaughan/status/1365750057509740545

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: BlodwynPig on February 28, 2021, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 26, 2021, 07:20:54 PM
You bought a suit in the area I'm talking about! How quickly we forget.

I thought it was that area, but its a nice area - lovely in comparison to Picadilly Circus or Times Square, which is the image that sprang to mind.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on February 28, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
Fair point.

Still glad to be out of there though, it'll be vid mania there nowadays.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 02, 2021, 09:04:13 PM
In Texas Governor Greg Abbott has issued an executive order to lift the mask mandate and open Texas to 100 percent:

QuoteGov. Greg Abbott announced Tuesday that he is ending Texas' statewide mask mandate next week and will allow all businesses to operate at full capacity.

"It is now time to open Texas 100%," Abbott said from a Mexican restaurant in Lubbock, arguing that Texas has fought the coronavirus pandemic to the point that "people and businesses don't need the state telling them how to operate" any longer...

The current trajectory of the virus has been difficult to measure in recent days due last month's winter storm, which forced many large counties to close their testing centers and not report any cases. Daily confirmed cases and deaths are clearly down compared to a statewide peak in January. Hospitalization data has been less disrupted, though, and has shown a consistent decline since late January.

But only 6.5% of Texans had been fully vaccinated as of Sunday, though Abbott has been optimistic that the pace will pick up as more vaccines are made available to Texas.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/02/greg-abbott-texas-announcement/

https://twitter.com/GovAbbott/status/1366843339836977165

Cases appear to be low with 1,637 new confirmed cases and 344 new probable cases reported in Texas on March 1st, but it seems very early to open everything up and remove the mask mandate with so few people vaccinated. It's like the England opening up last June, doing everything at once.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on March 02, 2021, 09:22:26 PM
Yeah but crucially June is 3 months away.

A full reopening now just seems mad - if you've vaccinated every vulnerable person then fine (they haven't), but you're also opening up an incubator for new (and more deadly) variants which puts every cunt on the planet at risk.

Still, got to think of big business first and foremost.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on March 02, 2021, 09:32:24 PM
Amusingly it's being reported that Trump got the vaccine in January on the quiet. Wonder why he's been quiet about it eh lads?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 02, 2021, 09:58:40 PM
I'm sure Abbott's removal of the mask mandate will increase support for him in the Republican primaries should he run in 2024 as well as help kill thousands of Texans.

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on March 02, 2021, 10:00:36 PM
Without being rude, who cares? They're only Americans.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on March 02, 2021, 10:42:14 PM
It's natural when a load of idiots inflict pain on everyone else that you lose any stake in their own existence, or worse, quite desire for them to suffer in punishment.

Ultimately it is still a load of cunts at the top who are to blame for brainwashing and misleading them.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 03, 2021, 11:09:08 AM
Mississippi is lifting all mask mandates and allowing states to operate at full capacity from today.

Conservatives shouting on Twitter "If you don't like you can stay home" which, aside from being a stupid argument anyway as we live in a society ignores that many people can't do that as they need to go out to work, provide care for others and go to the supermarket.

Of course this will also drive up coronavirus infections in other states as there are no border restrictions (as far as I know) between states.

I imagine the reopening in Mississippi is partly aimed at a distraction from their water issues.

Should we be adding the US to the red list of travel ban countries given the likelihood of mutations in Texas and Mississippi? I don't know how well vaccination is going in Mississippi.

Residents of Jackson, the capital of Mississippi, are still under a mask mandate. Good for Jackson mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on March 03, 2021, 11:45:58 AM
My oldest mate lives in Texas. Asthma to fuck.

Bye, mate. Shame we didn't have that reunion last summer. See you in hell.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 03, 2021, 08:17:36 PM
Olbermann and Moore now calling for Texans to be punished for the actions of its governor:

https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1366918063015268353
https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1367167700745732102

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Noodle Lizard on March 03, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on March 02, 2021, 09:22:26 PM
Still, got to think of big business first and foremost.

To be fair, it's small businesses who are suffering the most. I think if Big Business™ were really suffering from lockdowns, there would be no lockdowns.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on March 03, 2021, 09:17:59 PM
Quote from: Noodle Lizard on March 03, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
To be fair, it's small businesses who are suffering the most. I think if Big Business™ were really suffering from lockdowns, there would be no lockdowns.

It's not the owners of Joe's Laundromat who are lobbying Abbott to remove all public health restrictions and just plow on as normal regardless of the body count.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Noodle Lizard on March 04, 2021, 01:35:06 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on March 03, 2021, 09:17:59 PM
It's not the owners of Joe's Laundromat who are lobbying Abbott to remove all public health restrictions and just plow on as normal regardless of the body count.

I don't know about Texas or Misssissippi in particular, but certainly in New York and California it's been almost entirely small businesses (restaurants, nail/hair salons etc.) doing so. Those unions are the ones who've been filing all the lawsuits, to varying degrees of success.

Not to throw my weight one way or the other necessarily, it's just definitely not as cut-and-dry as Big Business being the only ones who want things to open. The bigger companies have the infrastructure and capital to operate (or even expand) during COVID, and the stock market implies many of those companies have had an unusually nice year. Basically, if there's anyone I'm worried about suffering financially from lockdowns, it's not them - it's almost everyone else.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on March 04, 2021, 02:24:33 AM
Why would big businesses want things open more than small husinesses when their business can take the covid hit?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on March 04, 2021, 03:52:35 AM
Because $$$ and stock prices.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 04, 2021, 10:05:24 AM
Three of Abbott's four person team of medical advisors have said he did not directly consult with them before lifting restrictions.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/03/abbott-mask-order-texas-advisers/

QuoteThe one expert on the team who did speak with Abbott was Dr. John Zerwas, an executive vice chancellor for health affairs at the University of Texas System and a former Republican state representative. Zerwas said to the Tribune that he told Abbott he couldn't say whether now was the right time to remove pandemic restrictions. But he advised Abbott that if he did rescind those restrictions, Abbott, "in the same breath," should "continue to emphasize the importance of the public health measures that have allowed us to continue to really kind of get past this pandemic."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 04, 2021, 05:20:06 PM
Abbott is now trying to start a bullshit conspiracy theory that undocumented migrants are responsible for spreading COVID in Texas aided by the Biden administration.

Terrible human being.

QuoteThe Biden Administration is recklessly releasing hundreds of illegal immigrants who have COVID into Texas communities.

The Biden Admin. must IMMEDIATELY end this callous act that exposes Texans & Americans to COVID.

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1367243450140086274

Texas is currently a red zone state - "25+ daily new cases per 100,000 people
Indicates: unchecked community spread" - and it's not because of undocumented migrants but because of those in charge, in particular Greg Abbott.

Mississipi is an orange zone state "10-24 daily new cases per 100,000 people
Indicates: escalating community spread"

https://www.wbur.org/npr/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 04, 2021, 05:39:34 PM
Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, the local hockey team the Pittsburgh Penguins has tweeted out an image of fans that was altered to make it look like more of them were wearing their masks correctly than actually were:

https://twitter.com/TaylorHaasePGH/status/1367275372212027394
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 07, 2021, 02:52:52 PM
QuoteMore than a year into a pandemic that has claimed 523,000 lives in the United States, right-wing protesters in Idaho, including a handful of elected officials, set protective masks aflame Saturday, claiming face coverings stifle their personal liberties.
Although local, state and federal health officials are clear that masks are crucial in the fight against COVID-19, helping to prevent the disease from spreading, some 70 adults and children — none wearing face coverings — stepped forward on a downtown street corner in Coeur d'Alene and dropped masks into a symbolic burn pot containing dry ice. "U.S.A, U.S.A," they chanted.

The protesters held mask-burnings Saturday in locations across the state, where masks are strongly recommended but not required by Idaho Gov. Brad Little. At a gathering of more than 100 in the state capital, protesters tossed coverings into a flaming barrel and cheered at supportive remarks by Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin, a far-right militia supporter whose relations with Little, a fellow Republican, are strained...

On Saturday, they planned burnings in two dozen Idaho cities, equating them to the Boston Tea Party despite the fact that tea dumped into the harbor by colonists to protest British taxes in 1773 did not, like masks, help protect others from a deadly disease. Experts on extremism say that dismissing the rallies simply as antics of a fringe movement would be a mistake, much like overlooking signs of an imminent attack on the U.S. Capitol...

So did they purchase these masks in order to burn them or did they get them some other way? Be interesting to know who the elected officials were at the protest.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-03-06/idaho-coronavirus-mask-burning

Meanwhile, Connecticut is lifting all Covid-19 capacity restrictions on businesses.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 13, 2021, 12:21:52 PM

The rural counties here have had poor turnout for available vaccines and have set up no appointment drive-through vaccine locations for all adults in all groups. Wife drove down to Dunn in Harnett county and got vaxxed yesterday. Seems a bit wrong.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 18, 2021, 07:18:45 PM
Everyone at my work is vaccinated now except the parts department manager. He can't use websites or email so he'll never be vaxxed.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: monkfromhavana on March 19, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on March 18, 2021, 07:18:45 PM
Everyone at my work is vaccinated now except the parts department manager. He can't use websites or email so he'll never be vaxxed.

How does he order parts?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 19, 2021, 08:47:13 PM
TERRIBLE!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 12, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
Cases starting to rise significantly in the USA, and unlike the UK there is a significant amount of vaccine hesitancy even among people pretty seriously at risk. About a third of all adults are entirely unvaccinated, and that's ignoring kids under 18.

~45% of people who predominantly watch Fox News are "hesitant or unwilling" to get a vaccine. That rises to ~70% among people who watch OAN. Both of these demographics skew heavily 65+ and the friendly men on television with waxy hair have convinced them it's ok not to get a free vaccine.

Some states in the south have under 35% of people with a dose. Again, these states skew higher in obesity rates which is a big risk factor. Combined with healthcare availability. I think another month or two and there could be some real problems heading their way.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 13, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
Not surprised really. Looking at recent baseball games, it's like Covid never existed.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 13, 2021, 12:46:36 PM
Is this the Democrats answer to gerrymandering? Let those old red state cunts die. Dig those graves wide and deep.

(I know it isn't, in fact given the disproportionate impact on minorities it probably harms them)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 13, 2021, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on July 13, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
Not surprised really. Looking at recent baseball games, it's like Covid never existed.

The Phillies have a strong anti-vaccine contingency in the clubhouse apparently, and they aren't the only club. 4 of them went on the covid IL last week. Great job fellas.

Not sure if you heard the story about the NC state baseball team dropping out of the NCAA finals because of the outbreak on the team but yeah that's the end of a lot of careers before they've even started. Whoops. The coach has refused to comment whether he told players not to get their shots because "we don't want to talk politics" and that's the big problem - getting a vaccine isn't political you utter cretin.

And that's ignoring the economic reality of under-served poor people who are too busy working 2+ minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, and just don't feasibly have a spare hour to get a vaccine.

Like I say, I can see it getting bad down there. Rumour is the Canadian border opens on July 19th. God help us all.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 13, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 13, 2021, 12:46:36 PM
Is this the Democrats answer to gerrymandering? Let those old red state cunts die. Dig those graves wide and deep.

(I know it isn't, in fact given the disproportionate impact on minorities it probably harms them)

It'll bump off poor people and ignorant old people at an even rate I'd guess, so probably a wash.

That's an incredibly bleak thought. Sorry.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 13, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
It's not on UK FUCKDOWN levels yet, but according to the LA Times LA County has seen a 124% rise in cases from two weeks ago to an average of 2,173 new cases a day over the past seven days, with statewide COVID-19 hospitalizations rising by 51%, reaching 1,484 on Sunday. Deaths around 26 per day.

Quote"Over 99% of the COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths we are seeing are among unvaccinated individuals," county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said in a statement Monday.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-12/l-a-county-sees-new-significant-rise-in-covid-19-cases-99-involved-the-unvaccinated

I know LA County is huge with around 10 million people living there, but that data doesn't look good.

In Texas:

As of July 11, 2,100 Texans are hospitalized for the coronavirus, according to the Texas Tribune, but cases and deaths remain low:

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 13, 2021, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on July 13, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
It's not on UK FUCKDOWN levels yet... 26 deaths per day...

That would mean the per capita death rate in LA county is ~7x that of the UK already? And that's pre-wave, it's just the acceptable background noise at the moment because those wacky yanks have decided covid is over. Once it gets going, who knows.

Frankly, I don't think it'd change anything if 10x that number die because the political will is gone to do anything about it. Hence my FUCKDOWN preddo.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 13, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
I don't know if the US use the 28 day cutoff period, although I'm not sure how much difference that would make.

I get the impression from ourworldindata that testing is a lot lower in the US as a whole than in the UK, although I imagine it varies drastically from state to state.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 13, 2021, 05:21:12 PM
Well they charge for it, the lunatics, so I'm not surprised testing is low. Not just patients, doctors are charged too - for some, it costs them money to get you a covid test and as a result some look the other way.

Crazy system.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 13, 2021, 05:26:20 PM
Does Medicare cover it for people who aren't insured? The US system seems so complicated.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 13, 2021, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on July 13, 2021, 05:26:20 PM
Does Medicare cover it for people who aren't insured? The US system seems so complicated.

It does, but if I was a poor person who'd been on the receiving end of the US healthcare system before I can see why that would be a risk.

Maybe you go into a clinic and the shot is free, but there's a $150 admin fee and you pay another $80 for the nurses consultation you don't find out about until after the shot is administered. Now, I know that isn't the case but if you're skint and a few hundred bucks is the difference between feeding your family for a week or going hungry, would you risk it?

And if I've been working for 70 hours a week at federal minimum wage and I have 45 minutes to myself, do I spend it getting a vaccine if I reckon the pandemic is basically over and the symptoms might put me out of work for a day or two and I don't get sick pay? And who's going to pay for my gas or public transit to and from the clinic because there aren't any in my neighbourhood? Or do I just take the time away from work to do literally anything else? Anyway I'm under 50 and someone on Facebook says I'll be fine if I get it or maybe I had it already who knows.

The US "hesitation" in vaccination goes a lot deeper than just yahoos watching Fox News and surmising that vaccines make you a communist, but it means asking some awkward economic questions so I doubt the media will touch it any time soon.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 16, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
QuoteNew COVID-19 guidance from the Centers for Disease Control advising unvaccinated students and staff to continue to wear masks inside school buildings, particularly young students, won't become official policy in Arizona, where the Legislature has prohibited districts from mandating masks.

The discrepancy between the Legislature's law and the federal public health guidance has alarmed some Arizona health practitioners and parents, who argue that the growing threat from the coronavirus' delta variant, and Arizona residents' slow vaccination rates, could increase the spread of the virus this fall.

They want school mask mandates until vaccines are available for younger students or the state's vaccination rate inches up. Arizona's COVID-19 vaccine rates have been stubbornly hovering at about 50% for several weeks...

But Arizona is one of several states, including Iowa and Texas, where lawmakers have banned school districts from instituting mask mandates, essentially leaving it up to individual families to decide whether to send their students to school with or without masks.

Sen. Paul Boyer, R-Glendale, chair of the Senate Education Committee, applauded Arizona's measure because it doesn't allow school districts to dictate the choice for families.

"No kid should be traumatized by having to wear a mask if they don't want to," he said.

Instead, he pointed to federal government funding that schools could use for hand sanitizer and air purifiers to keep school environments safe...

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-education/2021/07/13/cdc-recommends-masks-schools-arizona-districts-cant-require/7887827002/

At least masks are still required on public transport in Arizona.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 16, 2021, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 13, 2021, 05:56:58 PM
The US "hesitation" in vaccination goes a lot deeper than just yahoos watching Fox News and surmising that vaccines make you a communist

Actually I did some reading on this, polling shows 28-32% of the US population is unwilling to get a vaccine. That number has been steady since December (and actually slightly increased). Every other country I looked at had hesitancy rates about half that and the numbers declined as vaccines rolled out. Not so for the Americans, who are staunchly sticking to their convictions of refusing a vaccine despite reality shifting around them.

I assumed vulnerable and economically depressed people were making up a significant part of the stragglers, but they're about 3x smaller as a cohort than people who just won't get it because Facebook memes and Fox News told them not to.

Based on their current vaccine rates I'd guess the US vaccine program is about done. It'll keep ticking up a percentage point or two but people's politics determine their vaccine status and you're not going to change that any time soon. Seems crazy but there you go. I imagine a FUCKDOWN is incoming for the south because nearly 70% of adults are entirely unvaccinated, if you take kids into consideration the vaccine coverage is almost negligible.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on July 16, 2021, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 16, 2021, 04:03:37 PM
Actually I did some reading on this, polling shows 28-32% of the US population is unwilling to get a vaccine. That number has been steady since December (and actually slightly increased). Every other country I looked at had hesitancy rates about half that and the numbers declined as vaccines rolled out. Not so for the Americans, who are staunchly sticking to their convictions of refusing a vaccine despite reality shifting around them.

I assumed vulnerable and economically depressed people were making up a significant part of the stragglers, but they're about 3x smaller as a cohort than people who just won't get it because Facebook memes and Fox News told them not to.

Based on their current vaccine rates I'd guess the US vaccine program is about done. It'll keep ticking up a percentage point or two but people's politics determine their vaccine status and you're not going to change that any time soon. Seems crazy but there you go. I imagine a FUCKDOWN is incoming for the south because nearly 70% of adults are entirely unvaccinated, if you take kids into consideration the vaccine coverage is almost negligible.

There's a Behind the Bastards podcast on anti-vaxers, put out before the pandemic. I need to listen to it again, but one thing I remember was that anti-vax campaigners got to the US before vaccines did. Also people refusing vaccines would be beaten and stuff.

I need to listen to it again, but it's worth realising there is some history behind the US anti-vaxers that goes beyond Andrew Wakefield.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 16, 2021, 04:03:37 PM
Actually I did some reading on this, polling shows 28-32% of the US population is unwilling to get a vaccine. That number has been steady since December (and actually slightly increased). Every other country I looked at had hesitancy rates about half that and the numbers declined as vaccines rolled out. Not so for the Americans, who are staunchly sticking to their convictions of refusing a vaccine despite reality shifting around them.

A brief piece in the NY Times about vaccinations in Arkansas. It's quite an eye opener - there's a brief overview of 3 people over 60 getting incredibly sick (and if hospitals were busier or they didn't have health insurance, they'd be cadavers) and they are still not changing their minds about refusing a vaccine.

After nearly dying in quite an unpleasant way, one does change his mind and tries to convince others to get their vaccines - only 3 do. It is absolutely baffling from the outside.

QuoteMOUNTAIN HOME, Ark. — When the boat factory in this leafy Ozark Mountains city offered free coronavirus vaccinations this spring, Susan Johnson, 62, a receptionist there, declined the offer, figuring she was protected as long as she never left her house without a mask.

Linda Marion, 68, a widow with chronic pulmonary disease, worried that a vaccination might actually trigger Covid-19 and kill her. Barbara Billigmeier, 74, an avid golfer who retired here from California, believed she did not need it because "I never get sick."

Last week, all three were patients on 2 West, an overflow ward that is now largely devoted to treating Covid-19 at Baxter Regional Medical Center, the largest hospital in north-central Arkansas. Mrs. Billigmeier said the scariest part was that "you can't breathe." For 10 days, Ms. Johnson had relied on supplemental oxygen being fed to her lungs through nasal tubes.

Ms. Marion said that at one point, she felt so sick and frightened that she wanted to give up. "It was just terrible," she said. "I felt like I couldn't take it."

Yet despite their ordeals, none of them changed their minds about getting vaccinated. "It's just too new," Mrs. Billigmeier said. "It is like an experiment."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/17/us/arkansas-covid-19-vaccine.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 17, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
Ha thick cunts.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2021, 06:54:53 PM
But they're not coming up with this stuff on their own. Someone is feeding them misinformation that almost put them in a morgue, and just because they're not brown bread doesn't mean no harm done.

There are several quotes in the piece from healthcare workers detailing the stress and frustration at all this, one is describing PTSD-like symptoms, all because people are refusing free medicine. It's barmy.

Anyway - my point is FUCKDOWN USA incoming.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 17, 2021, 07:22:52 PM
Coincidentally, also in Arkansas today:

Quote
The Arizona governor's office has said that school districts in the state cannot require unvaccinated students to quarantine for 10 days if they have been exposed to the coronavirus, prompting a standoff with some local education officials.

A senior adviser to Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, sent letters to two large school districts, asserting that their policies requiring unvaccinated students to quarantine was illegal under state law. Governor Ducey's office posted the letters on Twitter on Wednesday evening.

"Parents are the sole decision makers in the State of Arizona when it comes to the health and well-being of their children," the letters said, adding that "children of parents who choose not to have their children get the Covid-19 vaccine should not be discriminated against for such decisions."

Say what you like about Americans, but they've always had a higher calibre of lunatic around to run the place. Puts the rest of the world to shame.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 17, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
Sheriff of LA County claims the reinstatement of the indoor mask mandate is "not backed by science" and his department will not enforce it: https://abc7.com/health/sheriff-wont-enforce-countys-new-mask-order/10892664/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 07:10:51 AM
If there's one society that deserved to collapse under its own fecklessness and hubris it's England USA until the next story about England comes along.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: beanheadmcginty on July 18, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2021, 07:22:52 PM
Coincidentally, also in Arkansas today:


Is Arizona in Arkansas?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 18, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: beanheadmcginty on July 18, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
Is Arizona in Arkansas?

Good spot! I just had Arizona in the brain. They are two different states and I shouldn't post when I'm tired (child awake at 4am yesterday).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on July 18, 2021, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 18, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Good spot! I just had Arizona in the brain. They are two different states and I shouldn't post when I'm tired (child awake at 4am yesterday).

RIP 4am thread
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 19, 2021, 10:31:25 AM
Can't see any masks in the audience at Rob Schneider's Tahoe gig: https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1413957438005387264/photo/1

Maybe it's the angle of the camera, but that would be considered "packed close" even before the pandemic.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on July 19, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Rob Schneider is a washed up comedy actor with a gig in Tahoe.
Only problem is he's about to be infected with COVID-19!
You'll be venting with laughter at this latest comedy.
Rob Schneider is... COVID!

Rated PG-13
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 21, 2021, 03:40:19 PM
Cases have tripled in 2 weeks, and the positivity rate from tests is about 7% (Canadian recommendation is rates should be <1% which indicates manageable caseload and that enough mass testing is being done to keep a handle on everything).

Our part of the world lost its collective shit when we went over 1.5% for a few days - the US is 5x that with zero fucks given. If they're finding 40k new cases per day, I suspect there are tens of thousands going undetected. And they still can't convince republicans to get a vaccine!

Current forecast - cloudy with a chance of FUCKDOWN.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 21, 2021, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on July 18, 2021, 01:55:53 PM
RIP 4am thread

I woke up and briefly thought about posting in the 4am thread, which shows how diseased my mind was at the time.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: imitationleather on July 23, 2021, 09:38:28 AM
Read a thing on The Guardian about how American antivax patients about to be intubated have been begging doctors for the vaccine, even though it's far, far, far too late for them by then.

You know I can't help it, despite these people being total fucking idiots I actually found that quite moving. That realisation you've been severely invested in bullshit and are likely going to die because of it... Brrrr!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
The ones who survive will revert back to being stupid fucking cunts, unfortunately.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 23, 2021, 10:05:08 AM
Texas' coronavirus test positivity rate is higher than 10% for the first time since February.

While cases are still low, they are rising fast and testing is very low. Only July 20, there were 61,749 tests. There are over 29 million people in Texas.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bakabaka on July 23, 2021, 10:21:46 AM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/07/22/harris-county-judge-lina-hidalgo-officials-to-give-update-on-recent-covid-19-trends-discuss-countys-threat-level/

With an interesting take on antivaxers (antivax = anticapitalist):
Quote"We're now seeing two Harris Counties, " Hidalgo said during the briefing, "One Harris County that's fully vaccinated, protected, doing its part to get our economy running and doing its part to protect those who cannot get vaccinated. Unfortunately, we're also seeing another Harris County that's hesitant to take action. It's okay to be a victim of this virus, but it's not okay to be an enabler."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 23, 2021, 01:31:47 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on July 23, 2021, 09:38:28 AM
Read a thing on The Guardian about how American antivax patients about to be intubated have been begging doctors for the vaccine, even though it's far, far, far too late for them by then.

You know I can't help it, despite these people being total fucking idiots I actually found that quite moving. That realisation you've been severely invested in bullshit and are likely going to die because of it... Brrrr!

Just waiting for Jesus to swoop down and save them.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on July 23, 2021, 01:41:17 PM
Nah fuck em.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 23, 2021, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 23, 2021, 01:31:47 PM
Just waiting for Jesus to swoop down and save them.

I mentioned it above but Americans on vents who were considering throwing in the towel and dying because it was so painful still reckon they shouldn't get a vaccine and were right to shun it.

Not to get too grim, but a nurse in South Dakota said more than one patient's last words were "no that can't be right, it's just a flu!" or similar as the blood oxygen levels drop. So entirely inculcated that even at the point of death they stick to republican talking points.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 23, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Sad in a way but it's what they would have wanted so we should feel happy for them. Not many people get to choose so easily how they die.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on July 24, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Yeah but that's verging one voluntary euthanasia and therefore a sin (to them) - only God should get to decide how they die. They are paradoxically very fond of deciding how other people should die however.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 24, 2021, 11:16:59 AM
I'm just really happy they're dead, to be honest.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 24, 2021, 04:15:38 PM
82k new cases today, highest total since mid February. Positive test number now north of 13% and test numbers are actually declining.

I don't think case counts are the be all and end all, especially in a highly vaccinated population but the US ain't that. I'm hopeful that people start to see the rising cases and get vaccinated, but if you can't breakthrough the partisan mind-fog of some people in order to save their actual lives, I don't know what the solution is.

Some southern states are still around 1/3 vaccinated, and because it takes 2 shots to build significant protection against this variant taken 2-4 weeks apart (plus two weeks of develop the appropriate antibodies) it might already be too late to avoid a FUCKDOWN ON THE BAYOU.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on July 24, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
If the gamble in the UK pays off then I think it will be a bloodbath in the US. They will think that as the UK was okay, they are fine to carry on as normal and will be overwhelmed due to significantly lower vaccine numbers in most states.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 24, 2021, 04:34:48 PM
I see Florida, Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota have moved from daily to weekly reporting. Florida alone reported 73,000 cases per week on Friday. Case positivity was 15.1% for Florida overall in the last seven days, with some counties seeing case positivity rates of over 20%.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on July 24, 2021, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 24, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
If the gamble in the UK pays off then I think it will be a bloodbath in the US. They will think that as the UK was okay, they are fine to carry on as normal and will be overwhelmed due to significantly lower vaccine numbers in most states.

Yeah I think looking at the vaccine rates as a whole doesn't really make sense for the US because it is such a regionalized country. The north east is vaccinated at very high levels so will be fine, but the south and western interior (and similar demographic areas) are really at risk, so while the topline numbers are bad but at least comparable to most other western nations, it is masking some really deficient regions that are potentially in for a rough few months.

Even on a state level, I'd bet west Texas is about to get hammered a whole lot worse than Austin, for example.

Again, the topline numbers for the whole country will look like a wave that is somewhat diminished from previous ones, but I'd bet that if you dip into the data it will be the worst one yet, but only for specific states or areas. Think a wave 60% the size of previous ones, but with almost all of those cases and fatalities located in ~10 states so comparatively it'll be a catastrophe.
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Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 25, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
Ron DeSantis will oppose any attempt to bring back mask mandates in Florida schools:

Quote...As Florida schools return to in-person learning next month and COVID-19 cases surge, Gov. Ron DeSantis doubled down on his opposition to mask requirements Thursday, suggesting he would be willing to call a special session of the Legislature to outlaw it if the federal government imposes a mandate or local school districts defy him.

"We look forward to this upcoming year to be a normal school year, be in person, and live like normal and learn like normal kids,'' DeSantis said at a news conference at Indian River State College. "There's been talk about potentially people advocating at the federal level, imposing compulsory masks on kids. We're not doing that in Florida, OK? We need our kids to breathe. We need our kids to be able to be kids."...

Florida now accounts for one in five of all new COVID-19 cases in the U.S., but the governor on Monday dismissed concerns about the surge, calling the spike in cases a "seasonal" pattern, and predicted that cases would start declining in August.

That conclusion is "incorrect," said several Florida doctors with the Committee to Protect Health Care at a news conference on Thursday. They urged the governor to work harder to encourage his supporters to get vaccinated and promote masks and social distancing...

Meanwhile, Biden's response on restarting mask mandates is...we're looking into it:

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1418314456027783169
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on July 25, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
optional masks here. online school again this autumn then.
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Post by: Psybro on July 25, 2021, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 24, 2021, 04:39:18 PM
Yeah I think looking at the vaccine rates as a whole doesn't really make sense for the US because it is such a regionalized country. The north east is vaccinated at very high levels so will be fine, but the south and western interior (and similar demographic areas) are really at risk, so while the topline numbers are bad but at least comparable to most other western nations, it is masking some really deficient regions that are potentially in for a rough few months.

Even on a state level, I'd bet west Texas is about to get hammered a whole lot worse than Austin, for example.

Again, the topline numbers for the whole country will look like a wave that is somewhat diminished from previous ones, but I'd bet that if you dip into the data it will be the worst one yet, but only for specific states or areas. Think a wave 60% the size of previous ones, but with almost all of those cases and fatalities located in ~10 states so comparatively it'll be a catastrophe.

This replicates political economy in the US though so the most that'll happen is some hand-wringing like the aftermath of Katrina.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 25, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
In two counties in Texas (Austin and Travis) as well as people being asked to wear masks at all times in public, the Texas Tribune reports that unvaccinated people are asked to only leave their homes for essential trips.
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Post by: MojoJojo on July 26, 2021, 11:51:56 AM
What seems to be a bit weird in the US is that even among those who believe in it (broadly "the left") vaccines are seen as 100% effective and if you're vaccinated absolutely no point in wearing a mask or taking any precautions whatsoever. The Washington Post has an article explaining that yes, you can still get covid after vaccination.

Seems like a strange blind spot.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on July 29, 2021, 08:56:14 AM
Sounds like Florida is going full fuckdown.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 29, 2021, 09:38:38 AM
The person in charge of Florida doesn't seem to bothered

QuoteAs he rallied conservatives on Wednesday, one of the Republican Party's most prominent rising stars mocked new government recommendations calling for more widespread use of masks to blunt a coronavirus surge.

"Did you not get the CDC's memo?" Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis joked before an almost entirely unmasked audience of activists and lawmakers crammed into an indoor hotel ballroom in Salt Lake City. "I don't see you guys complying."

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/07/28/cdc-mask-guidance-met-with-hostility-by-leading-republicans/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 01, 2021, 08:58:07 AM
In the last week Florida reported over 110,000 coronavirus cases, a 50% rise on last week's figure.

And the governor's latest excuse?

QuoteDeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus.

If this was the case, surely a mask mandate is even more essential?
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Post by: Dog Botherer on August 01, 2021, 10:21:19 PM
thinking about all those giant retirement resorts that are basically KKKlan chapters and smiling serenely
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 01, 2021, 11:14:20 PM
The disproportionate effect on poor people and black people makes any opportunity for - let's face it, a pretty shoddy - schadenfreude, impossible.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 02, 2021, 12:07:11 AM
Also, surely KKK members are pretty well masked-up?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 02, 2021, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 01, 2021, 11:14:20 PM
The disproportionate effect on poor people and black people makes any opportunity for - let's face it, a pretty shoddy - schadenfreude, impossible.

well over a year into this hell i'm taking what i can get
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 02, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on August 01, 2021, 08:58:07 AM
In the last week Florida reported over 110,000 coronavirus cases, a 50% rise on last week's figure.

9,500 people per day on average going to hospital in Florida, and another 6,000 people per day in Texas. Combined population is ~50m (about 3/4 of the UK's 67m) so that'd be the equivalent of 20k hospital admissions per day in the UK. Their populations are fully vaccinated at rates of 49% and 44% respectively.

Not even going to mention the Deep Southern states which are being hammered harder but have fewer residents so their numbers aren't as eye opening, although they are rapidly accelerating upwards.

How long does this go on before someone important calls the management at Fox News and explains their voters are dying so actually we need to change the reporting narrative on all this please and thanks? I'm guessing never, but it is an important case study on the dangers of an under vaccinated population.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on August 02, 2021, 06:47:45 PM
Don't forget we are talking about people who aren't that enamoured of the democratic process as a whole, anymore.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 02, 2021, 06:48:20 PM
What is the takeup from African Americans though, vs Whites aged 60+ ?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 02, 2021, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 02, 2021, 06:48:20 PM
What is the takeup from African Americans though, vs Whites aged 60+ ?

Depends state to state. Take up generally above 65 is good (90% I think) but that's at the federal level. I imagine it is much lower in the south, and lower again among minority Americans. Haven't looked at the data but I bet it is out there.

Edit: actually it's lower than I thought. About 80% of people over 65 are fully vaccinated, so 1 in 5 is unprotected. Hope they get that sorted pronto. I didn't see ethnicity breakdowns but again, I bet the data is out there somewhere.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 02, 2021, 07:37:00 PM
(https://acasignups.net/sites/default/files/styles/inline_default/public/vaxxes_red_blue_every_county_072121_0.jpg?itok=sepUe_Xf)

Found that while looking through the data.

To answer Shoulders' question:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

Ethnicity plays a part, but from a quick scan it doesn't seem to be as big of a determination as I thought.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DrGreggles on August 02, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
Had a meeting earlier with a few guys in our US satellite offices.
N Carolina is about to lockdown again.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 02, 2021, 09:54:22 PM
Crackin' graph gromit
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 06, 2021, 08:59:15 AM
QuoteThe delta variant of the coronavirus is ravaging hospitals in Tennessee, and pediatric wings won't escape the crisis, the state's health chief said Thursday.

Dr. Lisa Piercey said the delta variant is rapidly spreading among children — who are quickly showing symptoms after possible exposure, possibly amounting to a much faster incubation time than previous versions of the virus.

Children's hospitals in Tennessee are on pace to be completely full by the end of next week, the Department of Health projects...

Her word of caution about the potential for children to become sick upon returning to classrooms comes as one of Tennessee's top Republican leaders, House Speaker Cameron Sexton, threatened school officials with legislative action if they implement mask mandates or return to virtual learning.

"I sure hope that school systems do not require a mask mandate for those students," Sexton said during a news conference Monday. "And if they do, I'm going to ask the governor for a special session. If they close the schools, I'm going to ask the governor for a special session."


https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/05/tennessee-health-chief-says-childrens-hospitals-could-full-next-week-delta-covid/5499631001/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 06, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
Biology teacher tries to sue his school district for mandating masks, claiming they should follow Arizona state law: https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-education/2021/08/03/arizona-teacher-sues-district-over-school-covid-19-mask-mandate/5470965001/

Even if the school district aren't legally able to mandate masks, imagine being a biology teacher and wanting to prevent them from doing so. I don't know how big classes are on average in Metro Tech High School, but doing anything that might mean the students you teach are less likely to wear masks seems very risky for teachers.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 11:14:23 AM
Quotepediatric wings won't escape the crisis

Nor should they, little fucking cunts
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 06, 2021, 11:28:27 AM
7 day average over 100k and rising. The breakdown is stark between the under vaccinated south and the almost-European north east.

(https://i.imgur.com/GFRTpEt.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 06, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on July 29, 2021, 09:38:38 AM
The person in charge of Florida doesn't seem to bothered


Mickey Mouse?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on August 06, 2021, 07:06:38 PM
Louisiana woman, Covid-19 man
We get together every time we can
The lack of masks can't keep us apart
There's too much love in the unvaccinated heart
Too much love in this Louisiana heart
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 07, 2021, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 11:14:23 AM
Nor should they, little flying cunts
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Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 07, 2021, 09:33:09 PM
QuoteOn Thursday, the Texas Education Agency released new guidance for schools on how to handle positive COVID-19 cases

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8D_nuwXIAkAl4X?format=png&name=small)

https://twitter.com/wfaa/status/1423418544767787017
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 07, 2021, 09:45:52 PM
Interesting article showing how many of the unvaccinated people in the USA simply haven't been able to get vaccinated

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/opinion/covid-delta-vaccines-unvaccinated.html

QuoteAn elderly woman who cares for two people with disabilities had tried and failed to schedule vaccinations for all three of them at the same time. This time, she succeeded. A woman who was able to vaccinate all the other eligible people in her family hadn't been able to get it herself because she has four young children she wasn't allowed to take to the vaccination center. That day her children played cornhole while she got the shot.

Not sure what playing cornhole is.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on August 07, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Cornholion_in_Holy_Cornholio.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 08, 2021, 12:01:40 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on August 07, 2021, 09:45:52 PM
Interesting article showing how many of the unvaccinated people in the USA simply haven't been able to get vaccinated

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/opinion/covid-delta-vaccines-unvaccinated.html

Not sure what playing cornhole is.

bean bag toss for infants and drunk cunts. its shit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on August 08, 2021, 09:12:21 AM
That's not what urban dictionary says.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM

City level indoor mask mandate back in response to delta variant (Durham NC)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 08, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
A brief piece in the NY Times about vaccinations in Arkansas. It's quite an eye opener - there's a brief overview of 3 people over 60 getting incredibly sick (and if hospitals were busier or they didn't have health insurance, they'd be cadavers) and they are still not changing their minds about refusing a vaccine.

After nearly dying in quite an unpleasant way, one does change his mind and tries to convince others to get their vaccines - only 3 do. It is absolutely baffling from the outside.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/17/us/arkansas-covid-19-vaccine.html

Arkansas' governor said it 'was an error' to ban mask mandates. (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/08/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?type=styln-live-updates&label=coronavirus%20updates&index=0#asa-hutchinson-arkansas-mask-mandate)

"Sorry about that lads, dropped a clanger there! My bad."
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 09, 2021, 12:42:39 PM
White House Press Secretary says "We're not going to lock down our economy or our schools.We are not going back. We are not turning back the clock" but even this Trumpian response isn't enough for Rand Paul, who claims he will introduce amendments to defund any govt agency that seeks to enforce CDC guidelines, including schools:

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1424553962116718595
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 09, 2021, 12:58:27 PM
The thing I have found about Americans (or certain ones, anyway) is a radical devotion to ideas and nebulous concepts ahead of actual, tangible real lives.

Because some old dead slave-owners wrote an amendment in a specific way, we must adhere to it to the letter without any deviation or attempt to mollify the rules in even if that means children are regularly massacred in schools with rifles. We must attempt to defund public services if they make people wear masks - some pensioners may die gasping for air on ventilators but that is how we know we are truly free. Intervention in our healthcare system is an unconscionable government overreach and infringement on the idea of a free market. People may live longer, better, happier lives free from bankruptcy, but at what cost? The idea of "life" is more important than a woman getting an abortion because of her actual, real, right-in-front-of-you quality of existence and the care she can provide. Fuck common sense, laws are laws and we can't change them (well we could but err... we won't).

It is a very strange mindset. I'm sure even Paul would acknowledge his amendment will get people killed (and at best would take money away from vital public infrastructure for no real reason), but that it is a price worth paying in order to stay ideologically pure to the idea of freedom or some such shit.

I largely like the US whenever I am there (as a white middle class man with a nice accent) and I have American friends and colleagues who are great (although they are the ones that have moved to Canada so draw your own conclusions), but at times it is a very, deeply strange place. I'm guessing it is something to do with the prevalence of religion which sort of requires adherence to "rules" and ethical purity above all else and that bleeds over into politics.

Anyway, Abbot and DeSantis[nb]who's on first![/nb] are refusing to back down and change their executive orders denying anyone from imposing their own mask mandates. People will die, but that is the cost of freedom.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 09, 2021, 04:48:18 PM
It is the religion thing. Take a similar demographic slice of folks from Canada, the UK and the US, and religion is the biggest difference. It always trips me up as I assume most people like me are aetheists, but not in the US.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on August 09, 2021, 07:53:01 PM
I suspect that's treating religion, religious belief, and religious adherence as magical external causes rather than things that are themselves the product of material conditions and other prevailing ideological commitments. All tied up with the visibility and reliability of the state (including in some of the ways that Ferris gestures at, of course).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 09, 2021, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on August 09, 2021, 07:53:01 PM
I suspect that's treating religion, religious belief, and religious adherence as magical external causes rather than things that are themselves the product of material conditions and other prevailing ideological commitments. All tied up with the visibility and reliability of the state (including in some of the ways that Ferris gestures at, of course).

It is to some extent, but it is the only thing I can think of that can rationalize the logic of choosing hypothetical ethical purity over quality of life for actual human beings, and doing it knowingly.

The fact that religious adherence and rule-following is drummed into people when very young and it tends to guide them in all aspects of life (and that this kind of political thinking seems to largely be the preserve of "conservative (read: religious) people) bolsters my suspicions but who knows. It is a curiously American way of thinking though.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on August 09, 2021, 11:35:23 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 09, 2021, 09:31:52 PM
It is to some extent, but it is the only thing I can think of that can rationalize the logic of choosing hypothetical ethical purity over quality of life for actual human beings, and doing it knowingly.
Meant for the Corbyn thread?

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 10, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
QuoteThe thing I have found about Americans (or certain ones, anyway) is a radical devotion to ideas and nebulous concepts ahead of actual, tangible real lives.

Religion has been mentioned but we are also talking about a cradle of unfettered capitalism and decisions being transactional and about choice and desire rather than logic and rationality.

When a society is willing to allow an uncontested truth, even an inconvenient one, it is drastically healthier, just as an alcoholic who admits they have a problem is better able to take the appropriate steps to manage their health.

Once a political group plants the idea that nothing is actually completely verifiably true so long as a talking head comes on to say it isn't, that doubt creates the space for people to just stubbornly continue believing whatever suits them.

The idea is to move society into being dulled, herded and fucked over by their own stupid irrational impulses, permanently unhappy but never directing it at the right target.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 10, 2021, 02:22:18 PM
I think that's a different (but related) issue. It's probably more to do with disingenuous arguments of ethical absolutism being deployed to attack things they disagree with for more odious reasons, propped up by a political base who are religious to the point of not being concerned whether something makes sense or not.

"I think covid is a hoax". Hmm that sounds bad, ok maybe I'll just attack the restrictions and pretend that it's really the ideal of liberty that is motivating me.

Anyway, 235k cases today. I think we'll be over 350k by end of week.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 13, 2021, 05:10:00 PM
This video is really bleak. Anti-mask parents threatening pro-mask parents in America. Police (well, the sherrif's department) not doing anything about a man threatening someone in a car

"If you vote for this, we will come for you, in a non-violent way" another person opposed to masks in schools shouts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-58196564

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 16, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
QuoteThe Texas Supreme Court on Sunday temporarily blocked mask mandates in Dallas and Bexar counties, marking a pivotal moment in the showdown between state and local government as coronavirus cases and hospitalizations surge in Texas...

n a petition for a writ of mandamus to the Texas Supreme Court, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office said the Texas Disaster Act of 1975 gives the governor power to act as the "'commander in chief' of the state's response to a disaster. Attorneys representing cities and counties that have sued Abbott over his executive order have argued that his orders should not supersede local orders.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/15/texas-coronavirus-supreme-court-school-mask-mandate/

Utterly terrifying. The Texas state government taking local government to court because local government want to do something to keep children and teachers safe.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 22, 2021, 04:11:34 PM
Louisiana's attorney general has posted sample letters on his office's Facebook page for those looking to get around the governor's mask rules, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

Meanwhile, in Orlando residents are being told to stop washing their cars and lawns to conserve water, as supplies of liquid oxygen that are usually used to treat water are being diverted to hospitals for COVID patients:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/08/20/orlando-mayor-urges-water-limits-because-of-covid-19-surge/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on August 22, 2021, 04:36:16 PM
Bet all the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers start turning on all their taps. MUH FREEDUMS!!!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 22, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on August 22, 2021, 04:11:34 PM
Louisiana's attorney general has posted sample letters on his office's Facebook page for those looking to get around the governor's mask rules, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

Meanwhile, in Orlando residents are being told to stop washing their cars and lawns to conserve water, as supplies of liquid oxygen that are usually used to treat water are being diverted to hospitals for COVID patients:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/08/20/orlando-mayor-urges-water-limits-because-of-covid-19-surge/

Hmm having a normal one then.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 22, 2021, 05:24:13 PM
Why don't we just leave the anti vaxxers to it. Just stop talking about it and let nature take its course. I for one would not miss a single one of these people. Anti vax, anti human.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 22, 2021, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: Uncle TechTip on August 22, 2021, 05:24:13 PM
Why don't we just leave the anti vaxxers to it. Just stop talking about it and let nature take its course. I for one would not miss a single one of these people. Anti vax, anti human.

Because they incubate and spread the virus, giving it more opportunity to evolve into deadlier forms. Also even vaccinated people can and do get infected and sick and spread the virus. We don't know yet even how long vaccination is effective for.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 22, 2021, 07:02:25 PM
QuoteIn the latest political volley in Arizona over COVID-19 mask mandates, Gov. Doug Ducey is creating two grant programs that would provide funds to families and school districts that reject mask mandates.

Those measures come amid growing pushback against a state law that prohibits mask mandates in Arizona schools.

In a series of news releases Tuesday, the Governor's Office announced extra money for families affected by mask mandates, as well as a grant program only school districts that "follow all state laws" would be eligible for.

In both cases, districts with mask mandates could be affected — either because they could be ineligible for the district grants or if families use the funding to leave their district...

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona-education/2021/08/17/arizona-gov-doug-ducey-offers-incentives-reject-mask-mandates/8169357002/

Just disgusting.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 22, 2021, 08:08:18 PM
Tell me you're insane without telling me you're insane

(https://i.redd.it/owgs5npz4ti71.jpg)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on August 22, 2021, 09:00:08 PM
Has that vaccine been approved by the FDA?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 23, 2021, 08:02:11 AM
I think they should test its efficacy of christ's blood by getting these people in for breakfast and spreading a thick layer of arsenic on their toast and asking them to eat it.

If they eat it, we'll see how well it works (of course if it doesn't work the option could be that they were a "bad person" and roll in the next person).

If they don't eat it, they will either have to get the COVID vax or suffer eternal damnation for rejecting christ.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 23, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/23/fda-horse-message-ivermectin-covid-coronavirus

😂😂😂
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 23, 2021, 06:14:37 PM
I saw this, mad stuff. Apparently 70% of calls to Mississippi's poison control line are people taking ivermectin.

The other thing I've noticed that's mad is the lack of policing facebook is doing around this stuff. I haven't used it in years so I'm hardly in the loop, but the little "warning this may or may not be true" tag thing they stick on stuff is laughable. I didn't notice it until I saw quite a few of these notices online screenshotted from facebook and realized that was their gesture towards moderation.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on August 23, 2021, 06:24:43 PM
Disappointed that only a few people have been convinced to drink their own piss by that sort of misinformation. Sure using horse and cow dewormer is funny but it isn't drinking piss funny.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 24, 2021, 02:13:54 AM
 I've been taking thatt for years
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 24, 2021, 05:00:05 AM
grandson's pee sometimes helps
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 24, 2021, 05:36:43 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on August 24, 2021, 05:00:05 AM
grandson's pee sometimes helps

Peedo
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 24, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on August 24, 2021, 05:00:05 AM
grandson's pee sometimes helps

Only under age 5, as I understand it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Psybro on August 24, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 23, 2021, 06:14:37 PM
I saw this, mad stuff. Apparently 70% of calls to Mississippi's poison control line are people taking ivermectin.

The other thing I've noticed that's mad is the lack of policing facebook is doing around this stuff. I haven't used it in years so I'm hardly in the loop, but the little "warning this may or may not be true" tag thing they stick on stuff is laughable. I didn't notice it until I saw quite a few of these notices online screenshotted from facebook and realized that was their gesture towards moderation.

I've been seeing "But what about Ivermectin?" replies sitting ignored under serious scientists Tweets for a year now.  You could tell there was nothing to it because the only people who ever mentioned it were reply guys.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 24, 2021, 09:41:20 AM
I think we've mentioned this on here before, but it's interesting how people opposed to taking the vaccine and/or wearing masks no matter how much science in support you show them will often happily believe that taking things like Ivermectin to help with covid is a good idea based on a Facebook post their aunt's cousin shared or something.

I think that people pointing out to these people the contradiction in this could be a good way to get some anti-mask/anti-vax people to rethink.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on August 24, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
I think through the lens of "who do you trust", there's not much of a contradiction.

Does make me wonder whether 'we' should be trying harder to hijack the mechanisms currently spreading Ivermectin, but plenty of dreadful consequences lie in that direction.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 24, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: Psybro on August 24, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
I've been seeing "But what about Ivermectin?" replies sitting ignored under serious scientists Tweets for a year now.  You could tell there was nothing to it because the only people who ever mentioned it were reply guys.

I don't use Twitter so I miss this stuff until it becomes more mainstream, interesting to know it's been out there for a while.

Apparently a discredited study in Egypt is how it became widespread, so it's not as mad as "haha idiots taking animal dewormer for no reason!" but only about one absurdity notch above that[nb]because if you accept the reasoning that a study from nearly 18 months shows it might work but now actually no we don't think it does, why are you so averse to getting a vaccine that multiple studies have shown is effective? I think the answer is "big pharma conspiracy, but globally across multiple different regimes and private corporations" which is bonkers, sorry.[/nb].

Quote from: Zetetic on August 24, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
I think through the lens of "who do you trust", there's not much of a contradiction.

Does make me wonder whether 'we' should be trying harder to hijack the mechanisms currently spreading Ivermectin, but plenty of dreadful consequences lie in that direction.

Completely agree.

If your starting point is "the government is out to get me, and will harm me if they can, and they single handedly created vaccines" then cousin Merle's facebook bleatings about horse dewormer seem like radical countercultural truthbombs rather than the wailing of the perma-beleaguered.

It's reinforced by the echo chamber of media figures "just asking questions" too, which doesn't help. Phil Valentine was a big proponent of alternative therapies, I wonder what happened to him.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 24, 2021, 10:56:13 AM

Adjacent to the dewormer, there are stories about  semen of the unvaxxed being the next bitcoin.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 24, 2021, 11:03:37 AM
How would the semen seller prove that they are unvaccinated?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 24, 2021, 11:04:39 AM

Cockchain
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on August 24, 2021, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 24, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
Completely agree.

If your starting point is "the government is out to get me, and will harm me if they can, and they single handedly created vaccines" then cousin Merle's facebook bleatings about horse dewormer seem like radical countercultural truthbombs rather than the wailing of the perma-beleaguered.

I think it's worth noting that anti-vaccine ideas have been around for along time, they haven't just appeared out of a distrust of government during covid. I think one of the reasons the UK has been so trusting of the covid vaccines is because we're sort of in a backlash against the backlash post Andrew Wakefield.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 24, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on August 24, 2021, 12:09:17 PM
I think it's worth noting that anti-vaccine ideas have been around for along time, they haven't just appeared out of a distrust of government during covid. I think one of the reasons the UK has been so trusting of the covid vaccines is because we're sort of in a backlash against the backlash post Andrew Wakefield.

I agree, but the paranoia and knee jerk contrarianism has stepped up a notch and found new targets under trump.

Case in point - how many suddenly anti vaccine "freedom to choose" folks were against the shots for literally anything pre-covid? The idea of "anti vaccine as a quasi mainstream political position" is new, but it's an offshoot from a foundation that is pretty longstanding.

Of course now Pfizer is fully approved by the FDA, I'm sure that will assuage their reasonable concerns.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on August 24, 2021, 02:37:19 PM
I've realised my post sort of supports the incorrect idea that the anti-vax movement started with Andrew Wakefield, when it actually goes back hundreds of years.

One thing that is new with the covid vaccines is that the anti-vax side now seems to be dominated by the right, with q-anon bollocks being a large part of it. Before it straddled both the left and right.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: ajsmith2 on August 24, 2021, 03:27:59 PM
Trump endorses vaccines at rally, suffers rare bit of blowback in his usual safe space:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_krahdlo8wY
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on August 24, 2021, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on August 24, 2021, 03:27:59 PM
Trump endorses vaccines at rally, suffers rare bit of blowback in his usual safe space:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_krahdlo8wY

From earlier in the evening: man who won his election in 2020 and needs votes for 2022 tells crowd to forget about 2020 and vote in 2022.

https://www.newsweek.com/mo-brooks-backpedals-after-trump-rally-goers-boo-him-saying-move-past-2020-election-1621848
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on August 25, 2021, 01:51:27 AM
It's the same thing as Hydroxychloroquine though, a handful of studies say "might be useful", idiots blow it up, then it's 6 months of <insert your favourite conspiracy here>, without looking at any simple Occham's Razor scenarios:
- If your government is blocking it, why is no other government reporting how well it is doing
- If Allied governments are all blocking it, why is China or other countries like Brazil *cough* showing no deaths after using it
- If Big Pharma is blocking it, they don't make any money from HCL do they?
- If Researchers are blocking it, lol, they have no power you fucking idiot
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on August 25, 2021, 03:03:37 PM
local water park had to shut down as all the kids who work there went back to college/high school and immediately had to quarantine due to mass outbreaks lmao
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 28, 2021, 08:08:45 AM
Perhaps when it comes to back to school the kids from Republican/MAGA families will be treated like infectious urrrggh cooties skiprats, by the other kids.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on August 31, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
I'm not into the whole Ivermectin thing but does anyone find it a bit disingenuous that the media only refer to it as animal medication when it is widely prescribed to humans (not for covid obviously).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

It's like with ketamine, when it's called a horse tranquillizer but it's also used as an anesthetic on humans.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/302663#therapeutic-uses

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on August 31, 2021, 01:29:30 PM
The people advocating it are buying it in a form for horses, as it doesn't need a prescription. So while the active ingredient may be used in human medicines, they are buying medicines designed for horses. Or horse medicine.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on August 31, 2021, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on August 31, 2021, 01:29:30 PM
The people advocating it are buying it in a form for horses, as it doesn't need a prescription. So while the active ingredient may be used in human medicines, they are buying medicines designed for horses. Or horse medicine.

I'm not into the whole Antivaxx thing but does anyone find it a bit disingenuous that Drygate is nitpicking about active ingredients to excuse people taking animal medicines that are unsuitable for humans (thanks Mojo for the excellent riposte).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: evilcommiedictator on September 01, 2021, 01:25:08 AM
I'm not advocating it but it's funny that whilst doctors can prescribe it for genuine infestations of worms, they refuse to prescribe it for something entirely unrelated without any peer reviewed evidence to support using it
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 01, 2021, 02:24:45 AM
South Dakota governor arrives at freedom rally on horseback carrying an American flag. Auctions an oil painting of herself for charity, defends "do absolutely nothing" covid response, is now considered a front runner for the Republican 2024 presidential nomination.

The mind boggles.

Looks like we're reaching the peak of this wave though? The spike is levelling off from what I can see so the US is giving us a pretty good idea of what "fuck it, let 'er rip!" looks like with ~50% vaccinated population. Pretty bad, basically, but not devastatingly so and the stock market is up so I'm guessing this is the US approach from here on out.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Dog on September 01, 2021, 08:24:41 AM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on September 01, 2021, 01:25:08 AM
I'm not advocating it but it's funny that whilst doctors can prescribe it for genuine infestations of worms, they refuse to prescribe it for something entirely unrelated without any peer reviewed evidence to support using it

Shouldn't take anti-worming medicines if you aren't sick because they don't discriminate between the bad worms that cause disease and the good worms that our bodies need. 
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on September 01, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
I do think the "a horse medicine for the 'ViD?!?!" stuff is fundamentally a bit silly, smacks of magical thinking, and understandably isn't at all convincing for people already led to believe in its efficacy.

Mechanisms for ivermectin action against COVID-19 have been proposed and - to me, a yokel, at least - they're at least as convincing as the proposed mechanism for drugs I take every day, month and year.

(Worth being clear that at least some of those proposed mechanisms fundamentally demand you'd have to be badly poisoning yourself, so this isn't an argument for eating the horse paste.)

Mind you, all the good evidence and reasons that overwhelming point against taking ivermectin don't seem very convincing for the relevant people either, so I probably shouldn't care.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 01, 2021, 09:31:42 AM
So the issue is humans are taking the animal version in the US thinking they're taking the human version that's being used in places like India?

A bit like when people were drinking chlorine/pond cleaner because they thought it was hydroxy chloroquine?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Zetetic on September 01, 2021, 09:34:15 AM
That's not the only issue - the other issue is that ivermectin seems to be utterly ineffective at having any positive impact on someone's COVID-19 infection without being taken in sufficiently massive doses so as to grossly disrupt your own biology.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on September 01, 2021, 09:36:09 AM
I think it's worth bringing attention to the ludicrous situation we're in that people are ending up in hospital after taking a medicine for horses.

It's important context for people who say things like "there's no real evidence yet but there are some studies underway which are promising".

It's not going to convince anyone who believes in it, but then I'm not sure anything will. But it's still important to point out how wrong these ideas are.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on September 01, 2021, 09:53:25 AM
It's worth considering how the brand name/generic medicine situation the pharmaceutical industry has created has trained people to think that the horse medicine might be true. Doctors will tell you that ibuprofen is the same as nurofen despite costing a third as much - you just need the magic of knowing what the active ingredient is.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Rev+ on September 01, 2021, 10:00:16 AM
This hasn't come completely out of the blue.  Certain people have been taking antibiotics intended for fish for years, because nipping down the pet shop is cheaper than getting an appointment and prescription from the doctor.  Also there's apricot stones as a treatment for cancer, which does have a certain amount of logic to it, because if you ingest enough cyanide the cancer probably won't kill you.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 01, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Good point. If you're used to looking for cheaper was to get medication, taking horse pills might not seem such a huge leap. Some people eat dog food as its cheaper...

As I said, I don't care about ivermectin either way but I just searched about it and whether it works or not and found this page:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

that said:

QuoteMeta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

That site looks legit to my untrained eye and the conclusion sounds pretty good so I can understand why some people might decide to take it.

I don't feel bad posting that link here as no one here is going to be swayed by one link. Obviously I wouldn't share it on social media where it could irresponsibly be seen by someone that would be tempted to take it.

But stuff like that makes it easier for me to understand why someone might think taking it would help. But also I'm not sure banning that site is the way to go as censorship isn't always a great idea.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: The Dog on September 01, 2021, 11:53:44 AM
Invermectron is not a HORSE medicine. It is NO USE AT ALL if you are suffering from horses.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 01, 2021, 12:56:07 PM

Get on the ivermectins ASAP you big wally
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 01, 2021, 12:56:42 PM

Should be Waldo in the USA thread I reckon
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on September 01, 2021, 10:44:02 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 23, 2021, 06:24:43 PM
Disappointed that only a few people have been convinced to drink their own piss by that sort of misinformation. Sure using horse and cow dewormer is funny but it isn't drinking piss funny.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-OF9ljVIAADhig?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on September 01, 2021, 11:18:15 PM
And Jesus said to his disciples, "drinketh thy piss... it'll be a laugh"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 01, 2021, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 01, 2021, 11:18:15 PM
And Jesus said to his disciples, "drinketh thy piss... it'll be a laugh"

"For truly it is my blood"

"Should get that seen to JC"
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on September 01, 2021, 11:39:29 PM
Would love to ask the Pope if he'd drink the piss of Christ.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on September 01, 2021, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on September 01, 2021, 01:25:08 AM
I'm not advocating it but it's funny that whilst doctors can prescribe it for genuine infestations of worms, they refuse to prescribe it for something entirely unrelated without any peer reviewed evidence to support using it

Not "funny", completely reasonable. Why deplete stocks of a medicine used for purpose X just because a bunch of idiots want to use it for purpose Y?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on September 01, 2021, 11:47:38 PM
Joe Rogan is on the ivermectin now
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: chveik on September 01, 2021, 11:52:25 PM
of course he is the thick cunt
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on September 02, 2021, 12:12:04 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 01, 2021, 11:47:24 PM
Not "funny", completely reasonable. Why deplete stocks of a medicine used for purpose X just because a bunch of idiots want to use it for purpose Y?

I'm not saying it was a sarcastic post, but there's a  "just asking questions" form of Internet discourse that can be mocked by imitation.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 09:04:33 AM
Quote from: Dog Botherer on September 01, 2021, 11:47:38 PM
Joe Rogan is on the ivermectin now

It's a bit much to spend months disparaging the vaccines, saying covid is no big deal, then getting covid and having the best/most expensive treatments known to man, recover in a day, then (presumably) carrying on telling everyone covid's nothing to worry about. At least he didn't have to take the stuff for horses.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on September 02, 2021, 09:08:13 AM
Just had to throw a semen retention bit at the end, just in case you didn't know he was already a gormless cunt.

How do people who practice semen retention to turn themselves into productive, successful alphas prevent wet dreams?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 02, 2021, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 09:04:33 AM
It's a bit much to spend months disparaging the vaccines, saying covid is no big deal, then getting covid and having the best/most expensive treatments known to man, recover in a day, then (presumably) carrying on telling everyone covid's nothing to worry about.

Copying Trump almost exactly.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 10:19:11 AM
To be fair, Trump did turn pro vaccine in the end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-urges-supporters-to-get-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1eEGrR
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 02, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 10:19:11 AM
To be fair, Trump did turn pro vaccine in the end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-urges-supporters-to-get-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1eEGrR

He told some people once to get vaccines (or not to, you can be free to choose either way, but that he got one) 6 months after they became widely available, and probably 4 months after it became obvious there were serious problems with his political base refusing them in line with literally every other piece of messaging he had on covid.

He's the person who politicized the issue in the first place - nowhere else on earth has vaccines as a partisan political signifier. He said it was no big deal and that it was all a conspiracy to make him look bad, poisoned the minds of ~35% of the country and has done nothing to stop it because it might hurt his ego, and after hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths he says "oh maybe take it, maybe don't, got to have your freedoms!"

There's no "to be fair" required - he's letting inculcated people kill themselves because it benefits him politically and financially - trying to persuade them to save themselves might cause them to look for a new messiah and that might damage his ability to draw attention.

He doesn't get a pass for a throwaway line at a rally months too late (that he immediately walks back), and I'm baffled why you think he would.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 10:41:52 AM
That wasn't all he said though:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/04/rachel-maddow/what-trump-said-encourage-covid-19-vaccine-use/

I've no fondness for Trump btw. I'm surprised you're baffled why I'm saying he did endorse vaccines.

Some prominent democrats have a pretty shaky record on the vacciness too so it wasn't just Trump trying to politicize them.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/09/trump-deranged-democrats-endanger-lives-by-blocking-vaccines/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 02, 2021, 10:51:39 AM
Two tweets (October and December 2020), then declining to say if he'd get a shot, getting one in secret and not announcing it until it leaks months later, then radio silence for 6 months until a hastily walked-back line at a rally? Yeah he's been a real advocate. I think he's made more public comments on the LA Dodgers winning the World Series.

Are you the guy who was giving credence to ivermectin in the other thread?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Tendentious guy all the way through. Steps back when he thinks the backlash is coming then waits for the next space to plug his agenda.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 02, 2021, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Tendentious guy all the way through. Steps back when he thinks the backlash is coming then waits for the next space to plug his agenda.

Yeah but on the other hand I know a lot about baseball so you take the rough with the smooth.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
No, I've never endorsed Ivermectin.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 02, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
QuoteThe Florida Department of Education has started withholding salaries of school board members in violation of Gov. Ron DeSantis' (R-FL) ban on mask mandates, despite a judge ruling the ban unconstitutional.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1432684699588169728

Witholding salaries from people for helping reduce the risk of children, teachers and families getting COVID. Just vile.

In other USA news, people have been charged in Chicago with selling fake vaccine cards.

QuoteThirteen people who purchased the cards -- all of whom are believed to work in frontline and essential-employee settings, including hospitals and nursing homes - were also charged

https://abc7chicago.com/fake-vaccine-card-fraud-scam-conspiracy/10991423/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 02, 2021, 06:07:21 PM
QuoteA video celebrating the return to school by the Tennessee Department of Education on Tuesday drew sharp criticism across social media.

The 41-second video features education commissioner Penny Schwinn, who shares her own memories of excitedly starting school as a kindergartner.

"All of our students — 1 million of them — across the state of Tennessee are starting the school year right now," Schwinn said. "The smell of new books, clean hallways, the energy and feeling of being back in classrooms with their friends and their teachers. It's such a special time, and I am so excited for our state."

She then asked parents to share stories about why they are excited for the new school year in the comments.

The video received swift feedback from parents and teachers experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks, quarantines and a growing number of schools already closing as the virus spreads. As of Wednesday, Tennessee was averaging a record-setting 2,330 infections per day among school-age children, age 5 to 18, according to state data...

You can see the video here: https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2021/09/01/tennessee-education-department-tone-deaf-back-to-school-video-backlash-controversy-covid/5678267001/

Maybe those sentiments should have been saved for a time when parents aren't terrified of their children getting sick if they go to school, especially given how child hospitalisations due to COVID are rising in the state (73 in a state of just under 7 million people).

The state also discovered it undercounted its COVID hospitalisations by 5,100 over the last 14 months.

https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2021/08/31/tennessee-underreported-covid-19-hospitalizations-5100/5670622001/

QuoteAccording to a new report released this week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which analyzed virus data from the week prior, Tennessee recorded 489 new coronavirus infections for every 100,000 residents in the state.

Not only is that infection rate one of the highest in the nation, but it also grew 53% from the previous week, an increase that is more than 45 other states.

Perhaps Schwinn could have emphasised the importance of children wearing masks at school and called for parents to test their children with lateral flow tests twice a week rather than some twee trip down memory lane. Does Tennesse have a school mask mandate or use lateral flow tests?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 02, 2021, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 10:19:11 AM
To be fair, Trump did turn pro vaccine in the end.

It was interesting to see Trump tell people to get vaccines at that rally and they all go "Booooo!!!". He realised the power of his own bullshit then. That even his own cult won't even listen to him on vaccines now. That his bullshit is so strong that even he can't reverse it in his most fervent supporters.

It's kind of fascinating. Although conspiracy theories, vaccine denial, Mormonism and all manner of nonsense go back over a century in America so maybe it's not that surprising.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 06:45:46 PM
I guess a lot of those sentiments, anti vax, racism, storming the capitol, etc, were around before Trump and he just jumped on the bandwagon then found out the hard way that he couldn't stop the train even if he wanted to.

Or something...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on September 02, 2021, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
No, I've never endorsed Ivermectin.

Just insinuated that maybe it's not that bad because the active ingredient is in other things too.

Quote from: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 06:45:46 PM
I guess a lot of those sentiments, anti vax, racism, storming the capitol, etc, were around before Trump and he just jumped on the bandwagon then found out the hard way that he couldn't stop the train even if he wanted to.

Or something...

A stopped clock, etc.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 03, 2021, 05:21:07 PM
Saw a story about Los Angeles County schools are testing all 500k students and staff weekly. They have their own lab with 1000 employees.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 03, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
In other good news from the US:

QuoteSan Diego County will ramp up efforts to counter medical misinformation after the Board of Supervisors voted 3-2 to declare medical misinformation a public health crisis.
The board approved the measure Tuesday following a tumultuous, 15-hour meeting that included eight hours of often angry public comment against vaccine and mask mandates. Democratic Supervisors Nathan Fletcher, Nora Vargas and Terra Lawson-Remer voted in favor of the resolution, and Republican Supervisors Jim Desmond and Joel Anderson opposed it.

Fletcher said the measure is necessary to ensure that misleading statements about COVID-19 don't hinder doctors and nurses from treating patients, as surging COVID-19 cases fill hospitals again. He added that San Diego County is the first county in the nation to pass such a resolution...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: JamesTC on September 04, 2021, 08:16:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/EkEWtpP.png)

The blind leading the blind.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 04, 2021, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: Drygate on September 02, 2021, 06:45:46 PM
I guess a lot of those sentiments, anti vax, racism, storming the capitol, etc, were around before Trump and he just jumped on the bandwagon then found out the hard way that he couldn't stop the train even if he wanted to.

Or something...

Yea this is it. He never manipulated, only lazily accelerated things. 7d cheese more like
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 04, 2021, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 04, 2021, 08:16:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/EkEWtpP.png)

The blind leading the blind.

Can't even process all these blokes who shot their family/leg while showing their gun off for all the people who got tricked by Facebook into poisoning themselves! What a state
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bgmnts on September 04, 2021, 09:11:49 AM
I know it goes against the hippocratic oath but hospitals should definitely be allowed to turn away these morons and let these pond life die.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 04, 2021, 10:50:18 AM
Three schools in Vancouver, Washington went into lockdown on Friday due to an anti-mask protest by far-right groups including the Proud Boys.

QuoteVancouver Public Schools officials confirmed on Friday that the Skyview High School, Alki Middle School and Chinook Elementary were put in lockdown after members of the far-right Proud Boys tried to gain access to school grounds, according to witnesses.

Pat Nuzzo, communications director for the district, called the lockdown's a "safety precaution."

"This is related to yesterday's protest against Washington state's requirement for staff and students to wear masks or face coverings in schools and on buses," Nuzzo wrote to OPB...

"All the learning gets disrupted. We have to sit down quietly, not make noise, and we were hunkered down in our classrooms for around an hour to an hour-and-a-half," said Lucas, a 16-year-old high school student at Skyview. OPB is withholding Lucas' last name to protect his identity...

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/09/03/vancouver-schools-lockdown-anti-mask-protesters-entry/

Disrupting children's education to own the libs.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 04, 2021, 12:18:32 PM

I've just looked it up and discovered there is some Vancouver in USA and your event happened in the american bit not the canuck part. Carry on fambo.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 04, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on September 04, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
I've just looked it up and discovered there is some Vancouver in USA and your event happened in the american bit not the canuck part. Carry on fambo.

Plays havoc with booking flights, and don't get me started on Manchester, Washington 😡
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 04, 2021, 04:18:42 PM
Every so often someone in Europe gets cheap flights to Sydney, Nova Scotia and makes the local papers.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Vitamin C on September 04, 2021, 05:55:53 PM
Every time I see this thread, I can't stop singing the title to the tune of the Beach Boys' Sufin' USA. Maybe that was intentional?

Everybody's gone fuckdown...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pranet on September 04, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
I get the theme music for friend of the forum Jonathan King's Entertainment USA.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 05, 2021, 12:12:05 AM
Just a trombone with a wah mute for me.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 05, 2021, 05:36:09 PM
Fuck Down Volume 2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut_Down_Volume_2#Track_listing

In My Room (Quarantining With The Covid)
Don't Worry Baby (I'm Double Vaxxed)
In The Parkin' Lot (Waiting For My Test Result)

Vocals: Al Jabdine
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 07, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
Florida seems to have peaked

https://covidactnow.org/us/florida-fl/?s=22651188

If a totally open state is over the hump, does that mean the worst is over for the US for now?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Big Mclargehuge on September 07, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: Drygate on September 07, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
Florida seems to have peaked

https://covidactnow.org/us/florida-fl/?s=22651188

If a totally open state is over the hump, does that mean the worst is over for the US for now?

They've been misreporting their cases. Basically they've been counting deaths by death certificates and cases by positive tests, but they've been purposfully delaying processing on both to make it look like less people are dead/have covid than there actually is (So for example, if 1000 people died of covid yesterday, they've frustrated the processing of death certificates so that only 30 end up in the reported counts, they then go back and retroactively add in the other 970 quietly if and when they can be arsed.) basically that hump is just going to end up being the nub of a longer and longer line.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253796898.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 07, 2021, 07:06:12 PM
^part of that effort to frustrate the accurate reporting of information is to stop processing numbers/cases on weekends.

It was labour day weekend here, so that's 3 days of the state officially reporting zero cases. There will be a spike tomorrow, but if you're doing 7 day averages and the last 3 days have been 0 then you're unlikely to have an accurate picture of the data.

Florida is a good example of a response being political first and foremost. DeSantis will run for president in 2024 so doesn't want to obviously have blood on his hands - as result, he is using every machination of the state to obscure what a disaster his handling of covid has been.

It's all about making a Republican look good (or at least, not disastrously bad) and comes with the added benefit that he can bleat about how he was pro "freedom" and the GOP primary electorate will lap it up because they are a pack of credulous morons.

If a lot of people have to die in a pretty unpleasant way in order to get Ron a little higher up the political food chain, that is a price he is willing to pay.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 07, 2021, 07:10:02 PM
I see their positive test rate is an astonishing 15.9% which suggest massive under-testing and under-reporting of cases. I believe PHAC recommends positivity rates for tests should be around 1% in order to give comfort there is enough testing going on.

I've never seen a jurisdiction post double digits before, so congratulations to Florida I guess.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mr Faineant on September 08, 2021, 04:59:58 AM
I live in Florida. It's a fucking nightmare here. It's all over the place. Many of my vaccinated friends have had it over the last few weeks. They are generally fine, but not all without some unpleasantness.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 08, 2021, 04:17:41 PM
Quote@VincentRK
·
Sep 6
Almost 25% of daily US COVID deaths are in Florida. This wave is striking because it is pretty hard to go above pre-vaccination waves. It's almost double.

Thankfully has not happened in any other state. In fact, very few countries have had this happen either.

https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1434857581164601350
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 08, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
I blame Disney for making all the inhabitants think that everything's an elaborate illusion.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mr Faineant on September 08, 2021, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: jamiefairlie on September 08, 2021, 04:52:48 PM
I blame Disney for making all the inhabitants think that everything's an elaborate illusion.

Not sure if it's Disney or the churches.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 08, 2021, 07:34:26 PM
That's messed up if true about Florida. How does Big Ron think he's going to walk it off?

Although maybe masks in schools don't make that much difference according to this
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 08, 2021, 10:03:39 PM
Ultimately what happens is there's an exposure because someone (who later tests positive) goes into a shop or a school or a church or whatever, and everyone there should get tested. Now, the recent UK and US response has been to basically say "nah let's not bother lol" but where I live, we still do that.

I've been in the same place as someone who tested positive because I got an exposure notice. That person had to sanitize their hands and wear a mask because those were the rules we had (and still have) in place. As result, nobody from that exposure later tested positive, so a near miss but mitigated by basic actions that we've all agreed to take because we live in a society.

Masking isn't my idea of a good time, but if (on a banal operational level) it means people end up with lower risk, then what's the big issue with it? Costs me fuck all to pop a mask on when I'm buying watermelons and brandy, but will lead to more positive outcomes such as the (real life) scenario I've outlined there.

I do sometimes wonder if I'm taking crazy pills. Wear a mask, maybe it 'only' reduces cases by a meagre 10% - great, that has a direct and linear reduction on people dying on ventilators drowning in their own mucus.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mr Faineant on September 08, 2021, 11:51:40 PM
Edit: fuck it.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 09, 2021, 02:52:05 AM
I live there too and can say that the only scenario that would cause Florida to change course would be if ICUs were over capacity, dying people were blocking the corridors, and there was a big backlog of funerals. DeSantis will keep lying about the stats and the law until then.

I can personally attest that mask-wearing in Florida university classrooms is around 20% or less. I reduce the risk by live streaming all lessons via Zoom so at least around half the students take the lesson at home and the classroom is thus only at half capacity.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 09, 2021, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on September 08, 2021, 10:03:39 PM
Ultimately what happens is there's an exposure because someone (who later tests positive) goes into a shop or a school or a church or whatever, and everyone there should get tested. Now, the recent UK and US response has been to basically say "nah let's not bother lol" but where I live, we still do that.

I've been in the same place as someone who tested positive because I got an exposure notice. That person had to sanitize their hands and wear a mask because those were the rules we had (and still have) in place. As result, nobody from that exposure later tested positive, so a near miss but mitigated by basic actions that we've all agreed to take because we live in a society.

Masking isn't my idea of a good time, but if (on a banal operational level) it means people end up with lower risk, then what's the big issue with it? Costs me fuck all to pop a mask on when I'm buying watermelons and brandy, but will lead to more positive outcomes such as the (real life) scenario I've outlined there.

I do sometimes wonder if I'm taking crazy pills. Wear a mask, maybe it 'only' reduces cases by a meagre 10% - great, that has a direct and linear reduction on people dying on ventilators drowning in their own mucus.

Aye good points.

But....some people don't spread covid as much as others. In my gym there was someone who tested positive (with symptoms later on) and they didn't spread it on to anyone there (at least as far as I know and not to me). We weren't wearing masks etc as per the rules. So I don't think it's as simple as saying if you come into close contact with someone who has it, you're going to get it. I know a few families where one person in the household gets it with symptoms and the others don't get it. But then you get super spreader events where one person infects loads of people.

Some things I've read that can affect who spreads it are BMI, where they are int the shedding cycle, age, what symptoms they have, viral load. (this article (https://www.readersdigest.ca/health/conditions/why-some-people-are-more-likely-spread-covid-19/) has some links on it) Due to that, I'm sure its possible to say that it was the precautions someone took that protected them.

I'm not saying don't wear masks.

But I do think there's a difference between wearing a mask when you pop into a shop or similar versus making kids wear them.

Although lots of experts say there's no harm (developmental, mental, educational, social) in making children wear masks, many say the opposite:
https://www.city-journal.org/masking-children-unnecessary-and-harmful?wallit_nosession=1
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v2
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/school-mask-mandates-downside/619952/
https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/article/mandatory-masking-of-school-children-is-a-bad-idea/
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/masks-children-parenting-schools-mandates-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-biden-administration-cdc-11628432716

If the benefits of wearing masks are uncertain, and there are some harms of wearing them for some people in certain situations (eg children in schools or children in general) then maybe it's not as simple as "just wear one".
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on September 09, 2021, 10:16:01 AM
Quote from: Drygate on September 09, 2021, 09:19:14 AM
Aye good points.

But....some people don't spread covid as much as others. In my gym there was someone who tested positive (with symptoms later on) and they didn't spread it on to anyone there (at least as far as I know and not to me). We weren't wearing masks etc as per the rules. So I don't think it's as simple as saying if you come into close contact with someone who has it, you're going to get it.
The point is you have to assume you've got it and could spread it to others.
Quote
Some things I've read that can affect who spreads it are BMI,

I'd be interested to see something that has studied that. There's no obvious mechanism.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Uncle TechTip on September 09, 2021, 10:21:37 AM
There was something in the Groan yesterday, about a study in the Netherlands or somewhere, a deep analysis of how an infection spread at a certain event. It was found to be the air conditioning that did the most damage, people sat near the vents were most at risk of developing symptoms. But it also fleetingly mentioned, that regular smokers had a lower risk of infection, something i saw in the very early stages. Our lungs are so full of gunk, the virus can't take hold.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 09, 2021, 10:58:13 AM
Quote from: Drygate on September 09, 2021, 09:19:14 AM
Aye good points.

But....some people don't spread covid as much as others. In my gym there was someone who tested positive (with symptoms later on) and they didn't spread it on to anyone there (at least as far as I know and not to me). We weren't wearing masks etc as per the rules. So I don't think it's as simple as saying if you come into close contact with someone who has it, you're going to get it. I know a few families where one person in the household gets it with symptoms and the others don't get it. But then you get super spreader events where one person infects loads of people.

Some things I've read that can affect who spreads it are BMI, where they are int the shedding cycle, age, what symptoms they have, viral load. (this article (https://www.readersdigest.ca/health/conditions/why-some-people-are-more-likely-spread-covid-19/) has some links on it) Due to that, I'm sure its possible to say that it was the precautions someone took that protected them.

I'm not saying don't wear masks.

But I do think there's a difference between wearing a mask when you pop into a shop or similar versus making kids wear them.

Good idea - what we'll do is establish a double traffic light system determinate on everyone's BMI, lung capacity, and age, as well as any underlying systems. If you score green/green for risk to yourself and spreading it to others you can go unmasked for certain tasks. Happily the NHS has loads of spare capacity to do this kind of assessment for 67 million people, and of course keep it strictly up to date as the population ages and changes.

Though that's only half the story as you point out, so we'll have to do an air flow analysis for every building open to the public once via a chartered surveyor, and then again for a final approval from the local council or healthcare body. This will determine flow rates and points of danger - vents obviously are bad news but if there's an open window that mitigates the risk down to amber (assuming the weather doesn't change and you have to close them all again!) unless the flow is poor in the first place. And don't get me started on recirculating air! Perhaps different zones of different zones can be roped off and zoned differently. Obviously this all changes if a higher risk person enters the building at which point, ratings can change without notice and everyone might need to pop on their mask.

A massive faff, perhaps, but this way we would get the absolute peak of efficiency, and nobody would have to wear a mask for a second longer than they had to[nb]unless all those preliminary studies were wrong and we wasted a metric fuckton of time and effort and put everyone at equal risk for no reason![/nb], though of course it would completely overwhelm the government and private sector and de facto shutter every building while a team of surveyors run about with windsocks grading things and issuing risk ratings to literally every member of the population.

Or we could just all wear masks when we go inside and accept sometimes they are very necessary depending on personal health and that of those around us and our environment, and sometimes they are merely somewhat necessary.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 09, 2021, 11:59:39 AM
Yeah. That could work too! Maybe it's a bit heavy handed though when applied to all restrictions.

QuoteI'd be interested to see something that has studied that. There's no obvious mechanism.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/8/e2021830118

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elderly-and-overweight-are-the-real-covid-super-spreaders-0w0zxlrp7

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 09, 2021, 12:03:09 PM

Is there some semi-plausible justification for the Florida cases reporting? What is the half-truth that covers for the big lie?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Blinder Data on September 09, 2021, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle TechTip on September 09, 2021, 10:21:37 AM
There was something in the Groan yesterday, about a study in the Netherlands or somewhere, a deep analysis of how an infection spread at a certain event. It was found to be the air conditioning that did the most damage, people sat near the vents were most at risk of developing symptoms. But it also fleetingly mentioned, that regular smokers had a lower risk of infection, something i saw in the very early stages. Our lungs are so full of gunk, the virus can't take hold.

That also applies to colds, the flu, etc. I'm sure someone told me once that their elderly relative was advised to go back to smoking by their GP, because quitting had led them to catch a bunch of illnesses which were probably more dangerous than cigs at their age.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 09, 2021, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on September 09, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
Is there some semi-plausible justification for the Florida cases reporting? What is the half-truth that covers for the big lie?

Massive amounts of under testing and under reporting. Their test positivity rate is at a bonkers level which means people just aren't bothering to get tested (or the facilities aren't available). Depending on your health insurance, it can cost doctors money to test you because the deductible is higher than the cost of the test. Some people presumably just aren't bothering to get tests because if you test positive you have to isolate. If you don't test positive, you can do what you like. Some people are likely asymptomatic.

To be honest I'd guess the main problem is the non verbal (and frankly, the openly verbal) messaging from certain government and media figures that suggest this is no longer a big deal so you don't need to worry or get tests or whatever so just relax, it's all good, testing is for nerds.

My guess, their case load is an order or magnitude higher than is being reported but that's impossible to prove so DeSantis can claim he did a great job on the campaign trail in 2024.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 09, 2021, 07:23:47 PM
In terms of deaths, Texas and California seem a more immediate concern?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 10, 2021, 08:48:17 AM
California are doing terrible and they've done all the things (masks, lock downs etc). From looking at the graphs, it looks like covid is going to covid no matter what you do.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Pranet on September 10, 2021, 12:11:55 PM
According to worldometers, in the current wave Florida have gone over 300 deaths a day and Texas just reached 400 deaths a day, and California have yet to reach (in the current wave) 200 deaths a day, with a larger population than Florida or Texas.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 10, 2021, 01:50:31 PM
Also, California may have done lockdowns and had a mask mandate in the past, but I'm not aware of a mask mandate currently and there aren't any lockdowns in California.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 11, 2021, 08:42:07 AM
Quote from: Pranet on September 10, 2021, 12:11:55 PM
According to worldometers, in the current wave Florida have gone over 300 deaths a day and Texas just reached 400 deaths a day, and California have yet to reach (in the current wave) 200 deaths a day, with a larger population than Florida or Texas.

At the time of checking Florida didn't seem to have anything alarming in terms of deaths unless I really screwed up and clicked on Florida County, South Dakota*

*no such county*

**probably
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 11, 2021, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 11, 2021, 08:42:07 AM
At the time of checking Florida didn't seem to have anything alarming in terms of deaths unless I really screwed up and clicked on Florida County, South Dakota*

*no such county*

**probably

350 people dying per day, scaled to the UK that's the equivalent of 1100 people dying per day or approx 10x the death rate. Seems a FUCKDOWN to me.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Noodle Lizard on September 15, 2021, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on September 10, 2021, 01:50:31 PM
Also, California may have done lockdowns and had a mask mandate in the past, but I'm not aware of a mask mandate currently and there aren't any lockdowns in California.

Most of the state has indoor mask mandates on a city/county level. LA and San Francisco are likely to mandate vaccines in order to do anything soon, some restaurants and venues started doing so back in June.

Now that Gov. Newsom survived the recall, we can probably except more statewide measures too.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mippy on September 15, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
I have a flight booked to the US for October, and in trying to make myself accept that it will most likely not happen for the third time, I was reading an article on how the borders won't reopen until theu worl out how to do vaccine passports. Which seems bizarre as every other country that's leting tourists in has worked out how to get arrivals to prove their status on arrival...
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 15, 2021, 11:25:22 PM
If you think that's mad, wait til you find out what democrats united with republicans to do to Medicare's (potentially incredibly powerful and lifesaving) ability to negotiate drug prices with drug company in the middle of a pandemic.

(Ans: voted to keep it illegal so pharma companies can name their price when selling to Uncle Sam.)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: rjd2 on September 16, 2021, 03:05:41 AM
Corporate Dems are not good people.

https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1438172420481765376
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 16, 2021, 12:44:18 PM
That's pure cuntery regardless of vaccination views.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 16, 2021, 01:32:20 PM
QuoteRepublican legislators in more than half of U.S. states, spurred on by voters angry about COVID-19 lockdowns and mask mandates, are taking away the powers state and local officials use to protect the public against infectious diseases.

A review by Kaiser Health News of hundreds of pieces of legislation found that, in all 50 states, legislators have proposed bills to curb public health powers since the pandemic began last year. While some governors vetoed bills that passed, at least 26 states pushed through laws that permanently weaken government authority to protect public health. More bills are pending in a handful of states whose legislatures are still in session...

In at least 16 states, legislators have limited the power of public health officials to order mask mandates, or quarantines or isolation. In some cases, they gave themselves or local elected politicians the authority to prevent the spread of infectious disease.
At least 17 states passed laws banning COVID-19 vaccine mandates or passports, or made it easier to get around vaccine requirements.
At least nine states have new laws banning or limiting mask mandates. Executive orders or a court ruling limit mask requirements in five more...

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-09-15/republicans-roll-back-public-health-powers-amid-pandemic
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 18, 2021, 01:58:57 PM
Fda says nay to the third jab booster for under 65s.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/17/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

I'm sure they'll roll it out anyway but if there's no point in boosters for the under 65s and protection wanes in 120 days from the second jab, are we f'd?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 18, 2021, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: Drygate on September 18, 2021, 01:58:57 PM
Fda says nay to the third jab booster for under 65s.

A strange way to phase the FDA recommending third shots for people over 65 or otherwise clinically vulnerable (immuno compromised etc).
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 18, 2021, 06:31:06 PM
That's what the news said?

QuoteFDA panel votes against broad rollout of Pfizer booster shot, endorses narrower use
The panel unexpectedly broke with the Biden administration's push for a widespread booster campaign this fall.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/tensions-rise-as-fda-advisory-panel-weighs-evidence-on-pfizer-booster-512543
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 18, 2021, 09:02:47 PM
The article you linked said:

QuoteAn F.D.A. panel said anyone 65 and over or at high risk of severe Covid should get boosters

You said:

Quote from: Drygate on September 18, 2021, 01:58:57 PM
Fda says nay to the third jab booster for under 65s.

You don't think framing in the negative is weird?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on September 19, 2021, 07:33:13 PM
No. I thought the main point was that boosters aren't happening for the majority of the population (under 65s) not that they're being given to a smaller number of the population (65s and over).

Surely its good news they're not needed for under 65s and 2 doses is enough?

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 19, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/19/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?type=styln-live-updates&label=coronavirus%20updates&index=0#covid-boosters-fauci

"Fauci urges Americans not to get booster shots until they are eligible."

Sounds like everyone will get boosters eventually.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 20, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
Insurance companies in the US are no longer covering 100% of the costs of COVID treatment. A resident of Georgia who was in hospital in Tennessee after testing positive within 11 days of her Johnson and Johnson shot could face thousands of dollars in bills.

This is the system Johnson, his millionaire supporters, the grifters and his base want. They want people to be penalised for being sick.

Quote...A widow with no children, Azar, 57, is part of the unlucky majority. Her experience is a sign of what to expect if COVID, as most scientists fear, becomes endemic: a permanent, regular health threat.

The carrier for her employee health insurance, UnitedHealthcare, reinstated patient cost-sharing Jan. 31. That means, because she got sick months later, she could be on the hook for $5,500 in deductibles, copays and out-of-network charges this year for her care in a Georgia hospital near her home, including her ICU stay, according to estimates by her family. They anticipate she could face another $5,500 in uncovered expenses next year as her recovery continues.

Bills related to her stay at the out-of-network rehab hospital in Tennessee could climb as high as $10,000 more, her relatives have estimated, but they acknowledged they were uncertain this month what exactly to expect, even after asking UnitedHealthcare and the providers...

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/the-days-of-full-covid-coverage-are-over-insurers-are-restoring-deductibles-and-copays-leaving-patients-with-big-bills/
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 22, 2021, 08:20:45 AM
QuoteThe federal government is investigating the Texas Education Agency after deeming that its guidance prohibiting mask mandates in schools last week may be "preventing school districts in the state from considering or meeting the needs of students with disabilities."

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/21/texas-schools-mask-mandates-education-department/

The Biden administration doing something positive about covid for a change. I presume that is who they mean by the federal government. While Biden has done better than Trump, I think he could have done a lot more to stop the spread of covid in the US. Allowing households to sign up for weekly delivers of 7 N95 masks, putting more pressure on states to enact mask mandates and ensure isolation doesn't leave ordinary people out of pocket would be three things that could help.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on September 26, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
Looks like Canada just passed 80% double vaxxed and almost reached 90% for single vaxxed. So that's nice.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 26, 2021, 07:44:52 PM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on September 26, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
Looks like Canada just passed 80% double vaxxed and almost reached 90% for single vaxxed. So that's nice.

And cases are still going up. We'll have over 5's vaccinated soon so that should help a bit.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on September 27, 2021, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: QDRPHNC on September 26, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
Looks like Canada just passed 80% double vaxxed and almost reached 90% for single vaxxed. So that's nice.

For people over 12 though surely? NS is still straining like mad to get to 75% total population fully vaccinated before we open up, and we've been at 74.2% for what feels like weeks.

Honestly, I'm all for it. Why "open up" if you don't have to and there's no immediate benefit? Our stuff is open and I can go anywhere and do anything I want, I'm in no hurry to rush.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 27, 2021, 01:35:29 PM

QuoteΞ Karimala Ξ
@KarimalaKay
Someone shot up my doctor's office in Pocatello Idaho. Another office also targeted. Someone angry about Covid vaccines & masks is suspected. It's really getting scary out there for HCW & I'm afraid someone is going to get killed.

https://twitter.com/KarimalaKay/status/1441973936791580676
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: QDRPHNC on September 27, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on September 27, 2021, 12:06:55 AM
For people over 12 though surely?

Yep

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on September 27, 2021, 01:35:29 PM
https://twitter.com/KarimalaKay/status/1441973936791580676

(https://i.imgur.com/sLa6fcL.png)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: bakabaka on September 28, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Todd_Spence/status/1440380452515180546 (https://twitter.com/Todd_Spence/status/1440380452515180546)
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on October 02, 2021, 08:55:08 AM
Looks like it might not be as bad in the US as it first appears

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/

QuoteDid they need treatment for COVID, or was there some other reason for admission, like cancer treatment or a psychiatric episode, and the COVID diagnosis was merely incidental? According to the researchers, 40 to 45 percent of the hospitalizations that they examined were for patients in the latter group.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on October 02, 2021, 09:09:04 AM
What difference does that make? Still looking at 780000 excess deaths. And rising!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on October 02, 2021, 11:47:11 AM
Well, at first glance hospitalizations look bad. But closer inspection reveals some of those people aren't in hospital for covid and were in there any way.

If covid isn't causing the hospitalizations, that's a good thing?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on October 02, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
It's causing the deaths tho, in lots of people, whether there in hospital or not. Lots of people are going to be ill with stuff, and the point at wich they are going to hospital, for Covid or something else, is going to be a weak point for them where a respriraty condition is likely to finish em
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on October 02, 2021, 12:42:25 PM
Drygate is still pushing the "Well, everyone's going to die... eventually... anyway" line, I see.

I presume they're back because it's the weekend and there's no point picketing any of their local primary schools that want to vaccinate pupils.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Drygate on October 02, 2021, 01:24:44 PM
There's always a downside if you look hard enough
But if hospitalizations for covid are down, I can't see how that's a bad thing?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Dog Botherer on October 02, 2021, 03:16:45 PM
i don't think anyone is looking particularly hard for this downside mate
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: MojoJojo on October 02, 2021, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: Drygate on October 02, 2021, 01:24:44 PM
There's always a downside if you look hard enough
But if hospitalizations for covid are down, I can't see how that's a bad thing?
Are hospitalizations for covid down, or are you just twisting a report? As far as I can see, the US stopped tracking hospitalizations back in march, so you're just lying.

Just stop and think for a moment - you're lying on the Internet in a way that might result in people dying sooner than they otherwise would have. Is that really how you want to spend your time on earth?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on October 02, 2021, 06:39:38 PM
Imagine looking at covid hospitalizations and saying "well based on an article I read I can immediately discount 40% of those (against the advice of medical professionals) because there's a lot goes on we don't know about so maybe it's all alright"

It's mad.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ferris on October 02, 2021, 06:48:16 PM
As for why hospitalizations are down: they're putting 2,000 people a day in the ground. That'll clear a backlog of inpatients pretty quickly.

700,000th US covid death recorded today. Probably faking it or caught it in hospital or broke their legs and were rung up as covid deaths by unscrupulous doctors or didn't get ivermectin or died from the vaccine... etc etc etc.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on October 02, 2021, 11:01:47 PM
The only downside I see is Drygate still being here posting his disingenuous antivaxxer cuntishness.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 03, 2021, 08:27:40 AM
QuoteAmid a national debate over the use of pandemic relief funds, Alabama lawmakers swiftly approved a plan Friday to tap $400 million from the American Rescue Plan to help build two super-size prisons, brushing off criticism from congressional Democrats that the money was not intended for such projects...

Republican Sen. Greg Albritton said state officials are confident they can legally use the pandemic funds, and said the construction to replace many existing prisons will "go a long way" to addressthe state's long-standing problems in prisons.

"This was the right thing for Alabama to do. We've got crumbling infrastructure. We've got people housed in places that are filthy. We've got individuals ... working in conditions that are unsafe," Albritton said.

President Biden's sweeping $1.9-trillion COVID-19 rescue package was signed in March, providing a stream of funds to states and cities to recover from the pandemic. Alabama's plan prompted sharp criticism from some congressional Democrats who said prison construction was not the intent of the relief bill. Republicans said the rules give them discretion to spend the money on what they see as their greatest need.

The U.S. Department of Justice has sued Alabama over a prison system "riddled with prisoner-on-prisoner and guard-on-prisoner violence." The Justice Department noted in an earlier report that dilapidated facilities were a contributing factor to the unconstitutional conditions but noted "new facilities alone will not resolve" the matter because of problems in culture, management deficiencies, corruption, violence and other problems.

Democratic Sen. Billy Beasley, the only senator to vote against the use of rescue money, had opposed the bills and expressed concern that correctional facilities in his district could close under the plan, striking an economic blow to his rural district. He and several Democrats urged the state to quickly allocate the remaining $1.7 billion in American Rescue Plan funds to healthcare and other needs.

"The hospitals in Alabama have really been under tremendous pressure. ... We need to do more out of the rescue money to help the hospitals in the state of Alabama," Beasley said...

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-01/alabama-lawmakers-ok-plan-to-build-prisons-with-virus-cash

Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 04, 2021, 03:40:31 AM
Why is Alabama full of such cunts? It's extraordinary.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: DrGreggles on October 04, 2021, 08:21:02 AM
Quote from: mothman on October 02, 2021, 11:01:47 PM
The only downside I see is Drygate still being here posting his disingenuous antivaxxer cuntishness.

It's for times like this that the block list exists.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: mothman on October 04, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
Never been a fan of blocking. For all I know they've blocked me!
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 06, 2021, 12:13:31 PM
Article on the sort of nonsense teachers in America have had to put up with:

QuoteOn Day One of class, the father of a little girl got so angry because she had to wear a face mask that he cussed out a principal and punched a teacher in the face.
By the second week, students in this small county in the Sierra Nevada foothills started testing positive for the coronavirus as the highly contagious Delta variant pummeled rural California.

Some teachers vowed to quit if vaccines become mandated. Families had pulled children out of sports to avoid weekly coronavirus testing. Outraged and crying parents had flooded school board meetings, disparaging masks as a "dirty piece of cloth" and a face-covering requirement as "a fear-based decision."

Welcome to your new job, Torie Gibson.

This summer, Gibson started as superintendent for the Amador County Unified School District. Just before school started, things looked bright: Coronavirus case numbers were down, California was reopening and masks were coming off. But she soon realized that as the Delta variant emerged, masks, testing and quarantines would once again be required. That meant trouble...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-10-05/covid-vaccine-mask-fury-shakes-up-california-schools
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on October 07, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
It's even worse in Idaho. It's a Republican State, with the Governor doing the bare necessities. Only 42% of the population are vaccinated. But there are a few clauses in its Constitution that allow the Lt. Governor, as the acting governor, to take decisions whenever the Governor is out of State.

Which was the case yesterday. She took an executive order to repeal all vaccine passports for schools and universities.

Quote"Today, as Acting Governor, I fixed Gov. Little's Executive Order on 'vaccine passports' to make sure that K-12 schools and universities cannot require vaccinations OR require mandatory testing. I will continue to fight for your individual Liberty!" tweeted McGeachin, who is elected separately from Little and is running to take her fellow Republican's job next year under the campaign slogan "Make Idaho free again."
(...)
In May, while Little was at a Republican conference in Tennessee, McGeachin issued an order banning mask mandates in schools and public buildings. Little had never prohibited mask mandates statewide, but he didn't stop counties, cities and schools from issuing their own directives.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/idaho-lt-governor-issues-vaccine-passport-order-while-governor-out-n1280909

As Little is back there, he will cancel the executive order.
And for the record, when both the Governor and the Lt. Governor leave Idaho, it's apparently the Senate President pro tem who takes over.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Mister Six on October 07, 2021, 04:57:55 PM
State senate, presumably?
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on October 07, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on October 07, 2021, 04:57:55 PM
State senate, presumably?

Yes, of course.
Title: Re: FUCKDOWN, U.S.A.
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 10, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
According to the LA Time a small minority of chiropractors in America are involved in the anti vaccine movement:

Quote...They have touted their supplements as vaccine alternatives, written doctor's notes to get out of mandates, donated large sums of money to anti-vaccine organizations, and sold anti-vaccine ads on Facebook and Instagram. They have been the leading force behind anti-vaccine events like the one in Wisconsin, where hundreds of chiropractors shelled out $299 or more to attend and earn continuing education credits to maintain their licenses in at least 10 states.

Public health advocates are alarmed by the number of chiropractors who have hitched themselves to the anti-vaccine movement and used their sheen of medical expertise to undermine the response to a COVID-19 pandemic that has killed more than 700,000 Americans.

"People trust them. They trust their authority," said Erica DeWald of Vaccinate Your Family, who tracks figures in the anti-vaccine movement. "You go because your back hurts, and then suddenly you don't want to vaccinate your kids."

The purveyors of vaccine misinformation represent a small but vocal minority of the nation's 70,000 chiropractors, many of whom advocate for vaccines. But the pandemic gave a new platform to a faction of chiropractors who have been stirring up anti-vaccine misinformation long before COVID-19 arrived.

The first complaint the Federal Trade Commission filed under the COVID-19 Consumer Protection Act was against a Missouri chiropractor, alleging he falsely advertised that "vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus," but that supplements he sold for $24 per bottle plus $9.95 shipping did. He says he did not advertise his supplements that way and is fighting the allegations...

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-08/anti-vaccine-chiropractors-are-a-rising-force-of-misinformation

Meanwhile the number of reported coronavirus cases among students in Texas schools in the previous two months (185,024) has surpassed the total from the entire 2020-21 school year. Schools are not allowed to require masks and many schools districts do not have the option of remote learning.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/17/texas-schools-covid-19-cases/