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Title: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 08, 2021, 09:36:11 AM
Given that we now have a (shit) deal and have left the EU, I thought it would be better to start a new thread looking at the chickens coming home to roost for the UK.

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New border rules introduced last week are already creating problems for exporters and traders, say firms.

On Friday, Marks & Spencer became the latest company to warn of the administrative burden and increase in export costs to some countries.

Parcels firm DPD has already suspended some services and there have been warnings from seafood exporters.

One export trade body told the BBC there was a "growing problem and sense of unease" among its members.

Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, which represents chilled transport and storage companies, said the emerging problems have come despite the amount of cross border traffic still being quite low.

"Trade flows are still only about 50% of what we would expect, but even at those levels we are seeing levels of confusion and delays," he told the BBC's Today programme. "The feeling is we are building to quite a significant potential disruption."

M&S said the new trade arrangements were creating "very complex administrative processes". The red tape burden, along with potential tariffs on some exports "will significantly impact our businesses" in Ireland, the Czech Republic, and France, the retailer said...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244

Of course, a lot of Tory Brexiteers will blame the firms for the problems they are experiencing, rather than Boris "Fuck Business" Johnson's crap deal.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: druss on January 08, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
Yeah but at least we got are country back.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 09:40:37 AM
I want ENGLISH eels, ENGLISH sex arses and ENGLISH vaccines. Finally we have gotten Brexit done.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on January 08, 2021, 09:52:18 AM
Can't get any beer delivered from Belgium/Netherlands. Thanks Nigel.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 08, 2021, 10:18:55 AM
DPD Europe, who my company use fairly regularly, have shit the bed and temporarily pulled their European freight service.

I'm not surprised as I tried to use them on Monday and their site is nowhere near good enough to do the job yet. It's needlessly restrictive and after speaking to 3 different people on the phone on they clearly don't know how to handle the new rules and regs yet.

Wouldn't mind too much, as it's a clusterfuck that DPD didn't ask for, but they've done the shitty thing of shifting blame back onto their customers and basically echoing the Tory scum who tut and roll their eyes that businesses "haven't got Brexit ready", which isn't fair or accurate.

Has made me immensely grateful we even got an incredibly shitty exit deal in place, as the logistics exporting to Europe on a no-deal Brexit would have been fucking deadly to so many businesses.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 08, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
Still waiting for three orders, from China, the US and Hong Kong. The order from China departed less than 12 hours after I placed the order. That was on 20th December and no-one knows where it is at the moment.

Anyone who claims to be a patriot and still supports these useless cunts needs a punch in the fucking tits.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 08, 2021, 10:51:18 AM
Just had to order a replacement battery from France (for personal use). I'm very curious as to when and how it will arrive and what sort of duty/VAT will be slapped on it when it does. (Insert rant about why nobody repairs anything and just throws everything out as soon as it stops working.)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 08, 2021, 10:57:03 AM
Can't get any beer delivered from Belgium/Netherlands. Thanks Nigel.

So? Plenty of warm John Smiths Smoothflow to go round. Give us your tankard.

Or don't you love this country?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on January 08, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/03/britons-living-in-spain-barred-from-madrid-flight-in-post-brexit-travel-row

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British residents flying home to Spain have been prevented from boarding a joint BA-Iberia flight to Madrid because the airline claimed their pre-Brexit residency papers were no longer valid

This is more a side effect of Brexit, but still.  There seems to be some confusion among a lot of people commenting on this on social media etc so I'll try to explain.  In order to fly between the UK and Spain brits need a passport like they always have.  All the passengers had passports I assume.  Due to Covid you also currently need to prove you are a Spanish resident.  Prior to Brexit the only way to do this was with a green piece of paper that has your NIE (Spanish ID number for foreigners), address, name and date of birth and states that you are a permanent resident.  It's what all EU residents need after spending more than six months in Spain.

A few months ago the Spanish government gave Brits the option of getting a plastic ID card that non EU citizens need when they are permanent residents of Spain called a TIE.  They clearly stated that after 1/1/2021 it is still not necessary to have this card to prove your residence, it's optional and the old green piece of paper is sufficient.

The airline decided that they wouldn't let passengers fly unless they had the new card.  All passengers denied had their passports and the green piece of paper, which UK and Spanish authorities said would be enough, and prior to Brexit there would have been no doubt that they could board the plane.

It's this kind of thing I've been worried about all along.  Now our rights to live in EU countries have been taken away from us there will always be doubts from individuals, e.g. the airline staff, police, boarder control etc about whether we're allowed to travel and reside in the EU and they'll always err on the side of caution.  It's always easier to say no if you're not sure, as soon as you say yes, you assume some kind of responsibility.

As a side note, getting a TIE card is not an easy process. I've lived in Spain for years and my Spanish is good enough to manage, but dealing with Spanish bureaucracy is always a pain.  I had to make two separate visits to get mine so had to take two days off work.  My kids also need them and each one has to personally attend both appointments.  It wasn't possible using the booking system to get a slot for more than one person at a time and I'll need to go with them both, so that's six days off work in total. 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on January 08, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Just had to order a replacement battery from France (for personal use). I'm very curious as to when and how it will arrive and what sort of duty/VAT will be slapped on it when it does. (Insert rant about why nobody repairs anything and just throws everything out as soon as it stops working.)


*This might all be bollocks, hearsay*
My partner (Polish) orders lots of stuff from sites like Etsy etc. Some of the traders on there have stopped shipping to the UK because apparently VAT is now not levied when imported, but when shipped. This means that traders from abroad have to get a UK tax number etc in order to pay the VAT.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 08, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
They have to register with HMRC, which costs £1000 a year and is a pain in the arse. A lot of small traders aren't bothering and aren't shipping to the UK. It's the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:36:30 AM

*This might all be bollocks, hearsay*
My partner (Polish) orders lots of stuff from sites like Etsy etc. Some of the traders on there have stopped shipping to the UK because apparently VAT is now not levied when imported, but when shipped. This means that traders from abroad have to get a UK tax number etc in order to pay the VAT.

Loads and loads of stores have stopped shipping to the UK over it. William Shatner of all people criticised the move (https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/brexit-to-boldly-go-where-no-vat-inspector-has-gone-before/). Though I don't believe this change is specific to Brexit.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 08, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
It wouldn't have been legal as members of the EU.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on January 08, 2021, 11:50:14 AM
It'll be fun to track this.

Although obviously Johnson, Farage and Rees-Mogg and their acolytes will never take ownership of any of it, and their supporters will blame all hardships on COVID until it goes on long enough to become the routine and they can pretend it was always like that.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 12:11:15 PM
It wouldn't have been legal as members of the EU.

I might be getting mixed up with changes to customers charges (removal of the £15 exemption) there which also has just come into action. Apologies.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Endicott on January 08, 2021, 12:24:42 PM
It's not just the eel man having problems. Seems that the UK can't produce the necessary paper work in a timely fashion. If only someone in the govt admin dept could have thought about this in the, oh, several years they've had to prepare for it.

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Business owners said they had tried to send small deliveries to France and Spain to test the new systems this week but it was taking five hours to secure a health certificate in Scotland, a document which is required to apply for other customs paperwork.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/1/8/scottish-fishermen-halt-exports-due-to-brexit-red-tape
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 08, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/03/britons-living-in-spain-barred-from-madrid-flight-in-post-brexit-travel-row

This is more a side effect of Brexit, but still.  There seems to be some confusion among a lot of people commenting on this on social media etc so I'll try to explain.  In order to fly between the UK and Spain brits need a passport like they always have.  All the passengers had passports I assume.  Due to Covid you also currently need to prove you are a Spanish resident.  Prior to Brexit the only way to do this was with a green piece of paper that has your NIE (Spanish ID number for foreigners), address, name and date of birth and states that you are a permanent resident.  It's what all EU residents need after spending more than six months in Spain.

A few months ago the Spanish government gave Brits the option of getting a plastic ID card that non EU citizens need when they are permanent residents of Spain called a TIE.  They clearly stated that after 1/1/2021 it is still not necessary to have this card to prove your residence, it's optional and the old green piece of paper is sufficient.

The airline decided that they wouldn't let passengers fly unless they had the new card.  All passengers denied had their passports and the green piece of paper, which UK and Spanish authorities said would be enough, and prior to Brexit there would have been no doubt that they could board the plane.

"Where is your access permit?"

"I have entry permit."

"Entry permit is not enough. Access permit is required."

"Fuck you. I pay good money for entry permit."

"NEXT."
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 08, 2021, 06:40:48 PM
Gove warning that “significant additional disruption” is expected at the border in the coming weeks, particularly on the Dover-Calais route.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 08, 2021, 06:52:34 PM
Did he add "and I cuased it. What you gonna do about it? Get on with dying"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 08, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Just had to order a replacement battery from France (for personal use). I'm very curious as to when and how it will arrive and what sort of duty/VAT will be slapped on it when it does. (Insert rant about why nobody repairs anything and just throws everything out as soon as it stops working.)

I just ordered a new router and in the end opted to buy one from a UK company rather than one in Denmark, because I didn't know what the duty situation is now and whether/how it would affect the cost.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on January 08, 2021, 07:26:15 PM
"Where is your access permit?"

"I have entry permit."

"Entry permit is not enough. Access permit is required."

"Fuck you. I pay good money for entry permit."

"NEXT."

The UK is going to wish it was Arstotzka.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Jittlebags on January 08, 2021, 09:19:20 PM
Hmm. I wonder how this is going to affect the Scan Mags import situation. Bound to be a Bongo Tax.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 08, 2021, 11:24:10 PM
The UK is going to wish it was Arstotzka.

GLORY TO ENGLAND
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: H-O-W-L on January 09, 2021, 02:32:42 AM
"Where is your access permit?"

"I have entry permit."

"Entry permit is not enough. Access permit is required."

"Fuck you. I pay good money for entry permit."

"NEXT."


DETAIN
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Pranet on January 09, 2021, 06:39:36 PM
Moist toilet paper seems to have disappeared. I don't know if this is related to brexit, but it happened at the same time.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Made an order with Thomann on January 5 which went through as usual (i.e. prices including VAT were totalled up and were paid to Thomann in Germany). Then made another order to Thomann on January 8 in which I was informed that no prices included VAT and that this would have to be paid to the delivery company before they handed over the gear (I had wondered why everything seemed a little cheaper).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 09, 2021, 08:27:22 PM
Made an order with Thomann on January 5 which went through as usual (i.e. prices including VAT were totalled up and were paid to Thomann in Germany). Then made another order to Thomann on January 8 in which I was informed that no prices included VAT and that this would have to be paid to the delivery company before they handed over the gear (I had wondered why everything seemed a little cheaper).

I hate that sort of nonsense. It's basically a license for the delivery company to hold your goods hostage against the payment of VAT/duty plus whatever arbitrary processing fee they think they can get away with.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 09:54:19 PM
I'm assuming it's because the 2nd order was after a cutoff date and this will be the rule for packages from Europe (or maybe just Germany) hereafter.

I can calculate the amount of VAT so if the couriers try to scam extra it's getting returned and I'll get my money back. I remember DHL used to try and add "handling" on top of any custom charges, so I used to make sure I paid US charges before it was shipped for stuff on ebay.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 10:02:12 PM
Actually:

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Please note that your order does not include VAT. You will be required to pay the VAT (20%) and additional customs fees to the courier upon delivery.

Fuck it, I'm cancelling.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 09, 2021, 11:16:37 PM
Even better, you lot had a chance to allow artists in with easy visas and vice versa, BUT ARE BORIS stopped these thieving artists coming in and stealing audiences from cockney minstrels
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-visa-free-work-musicians-eu-brexit-b1784600.html

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The UK rejected an offer of visa-free tours by musicians to EU countries, despite blaming Brussels for what the industry is calling the devastating blow of them requiring permits.

A “standard” proposal to exempt performers from the huge cost and bureaucracy for 90 days was turned down, The Independent has been told – because the government is insisting on denying that to EU artists visiting this country.

“It is usually in our agreements with third countries, that [work] visas are not required for musicians. We tried to include it, but the UK said no,” an EU source close to the negotiations said.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 09, 2021, 11:20:39 PM
And even better, for those who love actual fallout, neonicotinoids which are a type of pesticide which have been heavily linked to massive decline in bees, have been re-approved for use in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/09/pesticide-believed-kill-bees-authorised-use-england-eu-farmers

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A pesticide believed to kill bees has been authorised for use in England despite an EU-wide ban two years ago and an explicit government pledge to keep the restrictions.

Following lobbying from the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) and British Sugar, a product containing the neonicotinoid thiamethoxam was sanctioned for emergency use on sugar beet seeds this year because of the threat posed by a virus.

Conservationists have described the decision as regressive and called for safeguards to prevent the pollution of rivers with rainwater containing the chemical at a time when British insects are in serious decline.

The decision by 11 countries to allow emergency use of the product comes amid a growing awareness of the harmful role played by refined sugar in the development of long-term health problems.

Matt Shardlow, the chief executive of the invertebrate conservation group Buglife, said it was an “environmentally regressive” decision that would destroy wildflowers and add to an “onslaught” on insects.

“In addition, no action is proposed to prevent the pollution of rivers with insecticides applied to sugar beet,” he said. “Nothing has changed scientifically since the decision to ban neonics from use on sugar beet in 2018. They are still going to harm the environment.”

Michael Sly, the chairman of the NFU sugar board, said he was relieved the application had been granted and that the sector was working to find long-term solutions to virus yellows disease. “Any treatment will be used in a limited and controlled way on sugar beet, a non-flowering crop, and only when the scientific threshold has been independently judged to have been met,” he said.

“Virus yellows disease is having an unprecedented impact on Britain’s sugar beet crop, with some growers experiencing yield losses of up to 80%, and this authorisation is desperately needed to fight this disease. It will be crucial in ensuring that Britain’s sugar beet growers continue to have viable farm businesses.”

The EU agreed to a ban on all outdoor uses of thiamethoxam in 2018 to protect bees. When the UK pledged to back the ban, Michael Gove, then the environment secretary, said: “The weight of evidence now shows the risks neonicotinoids pose to our environment, particularly to the bees and other pollinators which play such a key part in our £100bn food industry, is greater than previously understood … We cannot afford to put our pollinator populations at risk.”

He also wrote in the Guardian: “Unless the evidence base changes again, the government will keep these restrictions in place after we have left the EU.”
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 11:33:11 PM
I remember when we joined the EU that suddenly bands like Gong (who were formed in France) were suddenly regularly touring this country, which was a good thing, as Daevid Allen had been refused re-entry to the UK after Soft Machine toured in Europe.

I think the usual way things were done before then, aside from the visa palaver, was that the respective national musicians' unions would make sure there was tit for tat regarding the number of musicians allowed in and out. The same for US musicians (so I would guess most UK bands would head to the US for the better swapsies) which is how some blues artists like Big Bill Broonzy ended up coming over to the UK alone, as they could then come into the UK as an entertainer rather than a musician.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 10, 2021, 06:25:44 PM
Tweets from the CEO of a food and drink company:

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216

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Brexit, week 1 was bad. Week 2 will be worse.
UK Govt’s dismissal of the request from us (& most main business orgs) for a grace period was a critical mistake. By this time next week, pressure to revisit that will be even greater. Emergency financial aid may also be necessary.

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For those that say businesses had years to prepare, a reminder that the final Border Operating Model (all 160+ pages) was published 6 hours before the end of the transition period.
Yes, 6 hours.

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We wrote to UKGov with 100 days to go warning that UK could not be ready & asking for a grace period.
With 60 days to go, we wrote to
@BorisJohnson
 making the same plea. There was no willingness to even ask the EU about it.
Mistakes of 2020 are done.
2021 fixes now critical.

Brexiteers in reply failing to read his tweets and just blaming businesses.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 11, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Looks like the UK fishing industry is not doing well from Brexit:

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Fishermen are halting exports to Europe because new border bureaucracy introduced by the government as part of Brexit is making their business unviable.

Exporters now have to deal with new health certificates, customs declarations and other paperwork if they want to sell to the EU, the largest market for much of the UK's catch.

Describing the situation as a "catastrophe", businesses said orders from Europe were also drying up because of Boris Johnson's new trade barriers. 

Seafood is highly perishable and relies on a seamless flow across borders, but small test consignments sent to France and Spain that would normally take one day are now taking three or more days, if they get through at all...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fish-trade-uk-eu-lorries-exports-b1784312.html

Aren't a lot of seaside towns areas of high unemployment? Johnson's Brexit will probably turn a lot of them into ghost towns.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bingo Fury on January 11, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
Made an order with Thomann on January 5 which went through as usual (i.e. prices including VAT were totalled up and were paid to Thomann in Germany). Then made another order to Thomann on January 8 in which I was informed that no prices included VAT and that this would have to be paid to the delivery company before they handed over the gear (I had wondered why everything seemed a little cheaper).

I rashly did exactly the same thing on Saturday, after humming and hawing over a Harley Benton DC-Junior guitar for a few weeks. The website only warned that Brexit might lead to delays in delivery, so your post was the first I knew about VAT and "additional customs fees". I selected the option to pay via bank transfer, so the payment hasn't gone through yet. I've e-mailed Thomann's UK rep to ask if he can tell me what I'd be likely to be charged, and if he can't answer, or if it's higher than I'm prepared to go, I'll have to cancel too. Damn shame, as I'd never had any dealings with Thomann before but had become obsessed with that guitar and must have watched upwards of a dozen YouTube videos about it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Neomod on January 11, 2021, 01:12:56 PM
I rashly did exactly the same thing on Saturday, after humming and hawing over a Harley Benton DC-Junior guitar for a few weeks. The website only warned that Brexit might lead to delays in delivery, so your post was the first I knew about VAT and "additional customs fees". I selected the option to pay via bank transfer, so the payment hasn't gone through yet. I've e-mailed Thomann's UK rep to ask if he can tell me what I'd be likely to be charged, and if he can't answer, or if it's higher than I'm prepared to go, I'll have to cancel too. Damn shame, as I'd never had any dealings with Thomann before but had become obsessed with that guitar and must have watched upwards of a dozen YouTube videos about it.

If the total doesn't exceed £135 they will add £15 vat themselves I read at checkout.

(https://i.imgur.com/y1tZsTq.png)

I was going to buy one of the HB travel acoustics but have held off because even though you've paid the vat will you then be stung by the courier/more vat charges?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Jumblegraws on January 11, 2021, 01:34:12 PM
Looks like the UK fishing industry is not doing well from Brexit:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fish-trade-uk-eu-lorries-exports-b1784312.html

Aren't a lot of seaside towns areas of high unemployment? Johnson's Brexit will probably turn a lot of them into ghost towns.
There’s probably no better example of how the Brexit fetishisation of sovereignty will be realised than fisheries. What Brexiteers call becoming an “independent coastal state” amounts to a five-year incremental increase in a share of the fishing quotas, followed by an option to claim total control of the waters if we fancy being slapped with killer tariffs. To say nothing of the red tape described above, the fact that the biggest fishing companies here aren’t even British owned and that the average British palate doesn’t extend beyond cod and haddock.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on January 11, 2021, 04:39:04 PM
‘Welcome to the brexit, sir’

https://twitter.com/OwenAdamsYT1/status/1348256421331275776
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 11, 2021, 10:31:38 PM
I'd love to be able to laugh at all this but I know this Brexit crap is going to fuck us over somehow, and we're not even in the UK. Couldn't let us get one century out, could they.

Still:
https://twitter.com/KilburnHerald/status/1346839690083766279/photo/1
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 11, 2021, 11:18:08 PM
Just checking in lads, it's going really well yeah?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErcF9WuXAAAgF5q?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: pancreas on January 11, 2021, 11:28:25 PM
I had the last aubergine in Waitrose. Had to go to the Chinese supermarket to get the other one.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on January 12, 2021, 11:35:13 PM
"If you’re applying from Northern Ireland, from March 2021 you’ll have the choice of a standard GHIC with a union flag or one with a plain background."
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on January 13, 2021, 09:48:17 AM
Another fuck-headed fish fucker fucked (https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1349133517230395396)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: chveik on January 13, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
learn to code you thick cunt
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 13, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
Apparently the crazy Brussels bureaucrats have decided to legalize yellow mealworms for human consumption (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/yellow-mealworm-safe-for-humans-to-eat-says-eu-food-safety-agency). They were banned in most of the EU until now, but were never banned in Britain because the British government (and some other fun-loving northern Europeans) didn't take seriously an EU law that said you can't just decide to eat random animals (beasties your grandparents ate were considered OK). I'm unsure if this counts as an argument for EU membership or not, but I think it proves the EU was not unfairly infringing our liberties.

BTW, my parcel from France arrived after 5 days, the sender hadn't put a customs declaration on it, and there were no customs labels or fees to pay. A nice Tintin stamp too.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on January 13, 2021, 07:11:29 PM
Another fuck-headed fish fucker fucked (https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1349133517230395396)

"Cod I Borrow A Feeling?"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on January 13, 2021, 08:28:05 PM
I know it's like shooting fish in a barrel (hurt hurt) but honestly, look (and listen) to the fucking state of him:

https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1349405272662552582

He just seems like he can't be fucked with this anymore. Rowley Birkin QC made more sense.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on January 14, 2021, 09:04:32 AM
Downing Street has said Boris Johnson maintains confidence in the fisheries minister after she admitted not reading the post-Brexit trade deal with Brussels when it was agreed because she was busy organising a nativity trail. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/13/fisheries-minister-admits-not-reading-brexit-bill-as-she-was-at-nativity)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 14, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
Of course he does.

Now look, they'e delivered Brexit. They're heroes.

It really is up to the little people that didn't go to Eton to sort out the repercussions. And stop whining.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 14, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
Apologies from subway, which is still going under lockdown?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErixkEKW8AA_X_j?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 14, 2021, 10:45:11 AM
"Sandwich artist," FFS.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on January 14, 2021, 10:46:41 AM
Still waiting for three orders, from China, the US and Hong Kong. The order from China departed less than 12 hours after I placed the order. That was on 20th December and no-one knows where it is at the moment.

Anyone who claims to be a patriot and still supports these useless cunts needs a punch in the fucking tits.

That must be an international courier thing then. I've been ordering bits and bobs from Aliexpress and it seems to be coming through, with it's usual "very quick or takes fucking weeks" standard.

Although I think they must have their own sorting UK side, I've ordered stuff from multiple sellers before and I've ended up with a single bag addressed to me stuffed with individual parcels addressed to me.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: DrGreggles on January 14, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
"Sandwich artist," FFS.

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6791/652c21527db0b2cea186518285a72f52650ea564v2_hq.jpg)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on January 14, 2021, 10:50:57 AM
Farage now isn't even talking about Brexit. He posted a video on New Years Day saying it's done and now to move on to some other shit (keeping the union together) Basically he's trying to avoid taking any responsibility for all the fucking shit that's happening now. And he'll probably get away with it as our media won't ask him about Brexit will they?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 14, 2021, 10:56:36 AM
"Sandwich artist," FFS.

DocDaneeka?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4q3fq3yld-o/SkEm6Ie_QrI/AAAAAAAAACY/zyBZIYNT3Io/s1600/SandwichSandwich.png)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: rack and peanut on January 14, 2021, 10:57:41 AM
And even better, for those who love actual fallout, neonicotinoids which are a type of pesticide which have been heavily linked to massive decline in bees, have been re-approved for use in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/09/pesticide-believed-kill-bees-authorised-use-england-eu-farmers

Petition here:

http://chng.it/5cVGkPCStY
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 14, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
Farage now isn't even talking about Brexit. He posted a video on New Years Day saying it's done and now to move on to some other shit (keeping the union together) Basically he's trying to avoid taking any responsibility for all the fucking shit that's happening now. And he'll probably get away with it as our media won't ask him about Brexit will they?

Thought he'd moved on to a new enemy - cyclists.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 14, 2021, 01:40:17 PM
I know it's like shooting fish in a barrel (hurt hurt) but honestly, look (and listen) to the fucking state of him:

https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1349405272662552582

He just seems like he can't be fucked with this anymore. Rowley Birkin QC made more sense.
get a load of this

https://twitter.com/matthewchampion/status/1349709690691837952?s=19

Desolation.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 14, 2021, 01:42:59 PM
I think Jacob Rees-Mogg should be made to stand down from Parliament and not come back until he has surveyed every fish in the English Channel on who they preferred to be eaten by. He can spend his days on a yacht calling out questions to passing fish.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on January 14, 2021, 01:44:49 PM
I think Jacob Rees-Mogg should be made to stand down from Parliament and not come back

This is sufficient.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 14, 2021, 01:50:40 PM
I think Jacob Rees-Mogg should be made to stand down from Parliament and not come back until he has surveyed every fish in the English Channel on who they preferred to be eaten by. He can spend his days on a yacht calling out questions to passing fish.

Yes this, and he accidentally interviews a box jellyfish and things get heated but Mogg won't back down (of course) and makes an off-colour remark about the jellyfish's kids having an accent and the box jellyfish stings his knob and knackers.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 14, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
God save are British fish
God save are glorious fish
God save are fish

Send them victorious
Happy and glorious
I want to fuck all of them

FFUUUCK ALLL
OF
ARE

FIIIIIIIIIISH
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 14, 2021, 02:13:38 PM
I think Jacob Rees-Mogg should be made to stand down from a scaffold and not come back until hanged by the neck until dead.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 14, 2021, 10:08:30 PM
Thought he'd moved on to a new enemy - cyclists.
According to Farage's Twitter, China is now our number one enemy, although he's still moaning about immigrants and lockdown - and calling for Tony Blair to join the government to help fight COVID (https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1346221668688125952). It's always hard to tell if Farage is a machiavellian mastermind or your drunk uncle shouting at shadows.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on January 14, 2021, 10:24:06 PM
Fresh from the Quelle Surprise department:

https://www.ft.com/content/55588f86-a4f8-4cf3-aecb-38723b787569

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Worker protections enshrined in EU law — including the 48-hour week — would be ripped up under plans being drawn up by the government as part of a post-Brexit overhaul of UK labour markets. 
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The main areas of focus are on ending the 48-hour working week, tweaking the rules around rest breaks at work and not including overtime pay when calculating some holiday pay entitlements, according to people familiar with the plans.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 14, 2021, 10:53:19 PM
Fresh from the Quelle Surprise department:

https://www.ft.com/content/55588f86-a4f8-4cf3-aecb-38723b787569

Quote
Worker protections enshrined in EU law — including the 48-hour week — would be ripped up under plans being drawn up by the government as part of a post-Brexit overhaul of UK labour markets.

Quote
The main areas of focus are on ending the 48-hour working week, tweaking the rules around rest breaks at work and not including overtime pay when calculating some holiday pay entitlements, according to people familiar with the plans.

bUt JuSt ImAgInE iF jErEmY cOrByN

EDIT: lol the financial times doesn't even offer a free trial
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 14, 2021, 11:14:07 PM
There's going to be an endless stream of these, right? (Checks that I'm the one posting an endless stream of these.........)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrmhXNXcAAv8yx?format=jpg&name=large)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrmjAtWMAIifl7?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on January 14, 2021, 11:23:01 PM
I wonder if she has considered taking her crabs and sticking them up her arse.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on January 15, 2021, 12:01:34 AM
EDIT: lol the financial times doesn't even offer a free trial

Stoopid FT. You can read it if you go there via Google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=UK+workers%E2%80%99+rights+at+risk+in+plans+to+rip+up+EU+labour+market+rules
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 15, 2021, 12:37:57 AM
There's going to be an endless stream of these, right? (Checks that I'm the one posting an endless stream of these.........)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrmhXNXcAAv8yx?format=jpg&name=large)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrmjAtWMAIifl7?format=jpg&name=large)

How can you be a businesswoman and be so incredibly dense?

Genuinely hope she goes broke as fuck and her family absolutely despise her until she dies in a really shit old people's home, alone and sad.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 15, 2021, 12:51:11 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/13/fisheries-minister-admits-not-reading-brexit-bill-as-she-was-at-nativity

More evidence that they literally don't care in the slightest and its all a bit of a joke really.

No reason to not vote for SNP or Plaid now.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 15, 2021, 07:37:32 AM
I wonder if she has considered taking her crabs and sticking them up her arse.

Typical Remainer selfishness. No thought at all for the army of Dudley Moores who'll have to remove them.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on January 15, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
How can you be a businesswoman and be so incredibly dense?

Genuinely hope she goes broke as fuck and her family absolutely despise her until she dies in a really shit old people's home, alone and sad.

I've seen people on Twitter start saying that they feel sorry for her, which made me question my feelings towards her and her business, because I took a great deal of schadenfreude from this.

I still don't have any sympathy for her (although I do for any of her employees), she would no doubt class herself as an intelligent person and business savvy, so she was obviously well-informed about Brexit and should have known the risks.

I am really not feeling charitable towards Brexiteer business owners who have fucked over their own business and the livelihoods of their staff. Though no doubt she'll be happy when the Tories save her business by enabling her to re-hire her staff on £1 an hour and work 20-hour shifts with no holiday pay / statutory sick pay / care about working conditions.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 15, 2021, 08:59:19 AM
I've seen people on Twitter start saying that they feel sorry for her, which made me question my feelings towards her and her business, because I took a great deal of schadenfreude from this.

I still don't have any sympathy for her (although I do for any of her employees), she would no doubt class herself as an intelligent person and business savvy, so she was obviously well-informed about Brexit and should have known the risks.

I am really not feeling charitable towards Brexiteer business owners who have fucked over their own business and the livelihoods of their staff. Though no doubt she'll be happy when the Tories save her business by enabling her to re-hire her staff on £1 an hour and work 20-hour shifts with no holiday pay / statutory sick pay / care about working conditions.

I get a hit of schadenfreude too but know that so many of these people just need to survive long enough that they can implement the Victorian Mill Owner model that will have them lauded as amazing business people.

I assume that 40k Brexit costs is just seen as a stake in the long game and separate from the 50k of seafood held up at the border. That looked like live-export anyway so again I assume it's not loss.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
There's going to be an endless stream of these, right? (Checks that I'm the one posting an endless stream of these.........)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrmhXNXcAAv8yx?format=jpg&name=large)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrmjAtWMAIifl7?format=jpg&name=large)

Hadn't realised that those were two different stories but my previous post stands as a general point. In this case I am sorry for her employees and her suppliers because it looks like they will be fucked either by going bust or supplying to Youngs / Ross / Whoever for peanuts in the near future. But she didn't vote in a vacuum so I have no sympathy for her outside of I am sorry she is not very good at business.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 15, 2021, 09:39:20 AM
Massive part of it for these dopes must be the blind refusal to believe they made a mistake, despite all the facts confirming otherwise. The Brexiteer ego can't admit that it's been duped or misled.

So "This is going to be great for Britain" now has to morph into "We always knew this was going to be shit for Britain, but in the long-term it'll be worth it."

I hope she falls into a vat of shellfish, gulps down a few pints of fetid water before being pulled out, then has the shits for the rest of her natural.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 15, 2021, 09:46:21 AM
She had the same information as people who knew that Brexit was obviously an economically and politically disastrous power grab by the far right that would kill small businesses in their thousands. She wasn’t forced into voting Leave, and she was only deceived as much as anyone else. She had actual money in the game and due to her business position was more vulnerable than most.

And still she voted Leave. I know we’re not supposed to say people like this are dumb, but she really is.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 15, 2021, 09:47:56 AM
She's probably racist
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 15, 2021, 09:48:20 AM
Massive part of it for these dopes must be the blind refusal to believe they made a mistake, despite all the facts confirming otherwise. The Brexiteer ego can't admit that it's been duped or misled.

So "This is going to be great for Britain" now has to morph into "We always knew this was going to be shit for Britain, but in the long-term it'll be worth it."

I hope she falls into a vat of shellfish, gulps down a few pints of fetid water before being pulled out, then has the shits for the rest of her natural.

Just wait until it falls to “We always knew it would be great for Britain and it is. Look at the glories of this nation and shut up or you’ll be ejected from your company-owned accommodation and pushed out on the streets into the Covids.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 15, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
They'll probably use the same "argument" those trying to defend the government's handling of COVID will, complaining about "doom and gloom" in the media and getting annoyed at people attacking the government. Some Tories use the bullshit argument that "it is the Opposition's job to oppose, not the media" ignoring that the media should be holding the powerful to account.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 15, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
lmao
https://twitter.com/NerysAEdwards/status/834485349053300745?s=19
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on January 15, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
lmao
https://twitter.com/NerysAEdwards/status/834485349053300745?s=19

Yes - seems she really wants the best for students like her grandchildren may be.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 15, 2021, 11:27:30 AM
DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 15, 2021, 11:40:48 AM
I would love it if "I am not a student. I am a professional business woman. WTF!!" became a meme.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on January 15, 2021, 12:01:00 PM
I would love it if "I am not a student. I am a professional business woman. WTF!!" became a meme.

I think her non-response to the "Did you book a seat" question also speaks volumes. Love to have seen the horror on her face when she would have seen a student sitting in a seat while this esteemed professional woman has to be one of those standing.

Of course; her main focus is what's best for the future generations of course.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 15, 2021, 12:08:48 PM
I think her non-response to the "Did you book a seat" question also speaks volumes.

Turned off replies. (They never answer!!)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Satchmo Distel on January 15, 2021, 12:09:39 PM
I Hate Nerys Edwards - Half Man Half Brexit
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on January 15, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Massive part of it for these dopes must be the blind refusal to believe they made a mistake, despite all the facts confirming otherwise. The Brexiteer ego can't admit that it's been duped or misled.


This seems to be such a massive thing nowadays (or was it always like this and I just didn't notice). Why can nobody admit to being wrong about anything? Is it that we have built a society where "failure" is not an option? Where people can't admit that they're not perfect? Have their been any studies by people who know about this shit?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on January 15, 2021, 01:06:46 PM
I think her non-response to the "Did you book a seat" question also speaks volumes. 

She did respond:

https://twitter.com/NerysAEdwards/status/834491973792890892?s=20 (https://twitter.com/NerysAEdwards/status/834491973792890892?s=20)

Quote
no. I have an open return. I normally have no problem as I am going to Rhyl. Really disappointed.

I would be really disappointed if I was going to Rhyl as well.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on January 15, 2021, 01:19:53 PM
Also, who is this Nerys Edwards on twitter? Are we just talking about anyone who is called Nerys Edwards?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 15, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
Also, who is this Nerys Edwards on twitter? Are we just talking about anyone who is called Nerys Edwards?

You don't know Nerys Edwards?

This is top business brain Nerys Edwards who backed reducing her access to the market but increasing the inconvenience and costs of trading with it. I think she did it for her grandchildren or something.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on January 15, 2021, 01:44:12 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/NerysAEdwards/status/834485349053300745?s=19

But this isn't her Twitter account?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 15, 2021, 02:04:27 PM
But this isn't her Twitter account?

Can't believe there's two Nerys Edwards in Wales. You're right though - I need a bigger screen or better eye sight. This one seems OK too apart from the train mis-step. AND she grows mushrooms. I for one apologise. But not for the train thing - someone has to have the shitty seat near the doors once in a while.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Endicott on January 15, 2021, 02:07:35 PM
This seems to be such a massive thing nowadays (or was it always like this and I just didn't notice). Why can nobody admit to being wrong about anything? Is it that we have built a society where "failure" is not an option? Where people can't admit that they're not perfect? Have their been any studies by people who know about this shit?

There's an age old rule for weddings, and many other large gatherings, Xmas with the family, etc, and that rule is don't talk about politics. This goes back as far as I can remember, and the reason for it was to stop people getting into fights.

So I don't think people have changed, but one's exposure has, mainly because the old social norms don't apply to social media, at least not in the same way.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on January 15, 2021, 02:19:56 PM
But not for the train thing - someone has to have the shitty seat near the doors once in a while.

But she is a professional business woman? WTF!!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 15, 2021, 02:22:35 PM
if that's not the Brexit woman, I'll go to Rhyl

But she is a professional business woman? WTF!!

my thoughts exactly!!!

ps yes she doesnt look as matted cat lady. appleoggies. off to rhyl i go
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on January 15, 2021, 02:26:40 PM
Get in Rhyl
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 15, 2021, 05:26:15 PM
How can you be a businesswoman and be so incredibly dense?

Genuinely hope she goes broke as fuck and her family absolutely despise her until she dies in a really shit old people's home, alone and sad.

i bet theres inherited wealth there
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 15, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
I've seen people on Twitter start saying that they feel sorry for her, which made me question my feelings towards her and her business, because I took a great deal of schadenfreude from this.

I still don't have any sympathy for her (although I do for any of her employees), she would no doubt class herself as an intelligent person and business savvy, so she was obviously well-informed about Brexit and should have known the risks.

I am really not feeling charitable towards Brexiteer business owners who have fucked over their own business and the livelihoods of their staff. Though no doubt she'll be happy when the Tories save her business by enabling her to re-hire her staff on £1 an hour and work 20-hour shifts with no holiday pay / statutory sick pay / care about working conditions.

she had a duty of care to her employees, she endangered that by voting for fucking things up

hang her
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 15, 2021, 06:57:37 PM
@TOrynski

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Polish trucking magazine http://40ton.net reports: A Polish truck driver entered Kent on Monday with valid Kent permit. He turned up at Ashford when they told him that his documents need to be double-checked, so he was sent to a different truck park to wait. 1/4

On Wednesday (!) he was informed his paperwork got a green light and told to come back to Ashford custom place only to find that custom truck park is full. He was told to park on yet another truck park which serves the queue. 2/4

There, the police come and fined him 300 pounds because his Kent access permit has by this time expired. So apparently the document called "kent access permit" needs to be renamed to "Kent accessing and then sitting for days, waiting for the paperwork permit". 3/4

Also, in Ashford drivers have to wait up to 4 hours outside in the rain in the queue to the customs office...

https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349784018628259841

Imagine if this was happening to British truckers, the same right-wing politicians who are responsible for this would be furious.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 15, 2021, 07:14:14 PM
It's so depressing.

The BBC etc will never report this, no one in government gives a shit and the opposition don't want to upset the racists they are so desperately courting.

Fucking cunts.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 15, 2021, 07:24:25 PM
And the fucking over of Ireland begins, with RTÉ reporting that the Freight Transport Association of Ireland have written to the Taoiseach warning that some companies will cease trading and supply lines will disappear because of post-Brexit customs rules.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 15, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
Finally, something good to come out of all this!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Enzo on January 15, 2021, 07:31:40 PM
And the fucking over of Ireland begins, with RTÉ reporting that the Freight Transport Association of Ireland have written to the Taoiseach warning that some companies will cease trading and supply lines will disappear because of post-Brexit customs rules.

We might need to change our reliance and tastes from British brands to French stuff. Gitanes and C'ote dor for all!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 17, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
i bet theres inherited wealth there

Maybe - she took over the business, that exports to Europe, from her parents. She gets a mention in the last paragraph of an article on how fucked that part of the Welsh economy is and got a whole article on how fucked her business is, on ITV hub :

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2021-01-15/family-run-business-risks-losing-50000-worth-of-shellfish-after-brexit-delays-at-french-border

No mention that even as an exporter primarily to Spain she fully backed this.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 17, 2021, 08:31:41 PM
In that article it says:
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A fourth-generation shellfish wholesaler has sent £50,000-worth of fish to France
and
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The 53-year-old businesswoman took on the wholesale business after her parents, who started exporting shellfish to the continent in an old horsebox.
Why can't she use the time machine that the family obviously has to go back to a simpler time when we were part of the European Community?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 17, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
A time machine would be the ultimate way to keep the catch fresh.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 17, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
She could take all the UKIPpers back in time to the 40s and leave them there, that would be great, she'd make a ton of money from them as well for the service.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on January 18, 2021, 01:09:06 AM
Attila the Stockbroker’s page is full of angry Gillian Duffy fanboys.

Can’t call bigots bigots or they’ll get upset and vote for the Tories. Or Brexit. Or both. And somehow, no black or Asian working class people exist.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 18, 2021, 08:12:55 AM
She could take all the UKIPpers back in time to the 40s and leave them there, that would be great, she'd make a ton of money from them as well for the service.

But they would then welcome the Nazis into Britain.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 18, 2021, 11:10:29 AM
Just thought I'd mention - today is my day for getting a lift to the shop with the old British man.  He told me that he'd planned to send a cheering parcel of delicacies and useful things to some old-age Kipper friends of his in the UK, to brighten their ancient New Year.  Went to the post office with his box of foie gras (I know), truffles, special French rheumatism cream that the wife-one swears by and can't get in Britain, all the things they wanted.  Couldn't send it. 

Well, could but would have to go home, fill out an online itemised customs declaration and take out anything of animal origin or anything medical.  So those antediluvian Farage fans will not be getting theirs.  Serves them fucking right.  Still, feel sorry for the geese though. 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 18, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
I do hope every single one of those cunts in that story gets a pipe shoved down their throat and has mulched up greggs pasties poured down their gullet until their liver swells to the point of such excruciating pain that the feeling of the bolt gun pressed up against their head feels like a hug from mummy.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 18, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
Fair point.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 18, 2021, 01:02:34 PM
The infuriating thing is, we’ll still be dealing with this long after the cunts who voted for it are dead.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 18, 2021, 01:07:32 PM
There's been a protest in Westminster by fishing businesses against the disruption caused by Brexit. BBC claim 15-20 lorries in the protest (that's what the video says, the text says "more than 20" for some reason).

Quote
Mark Moore, manager of the Dartmouth Crab Company, said his business and others were protesting to "raise awareness" of the impact of new border checks.

He told BBC Radio Five Live his company had faced delays of up to eight and a half hours when delivering produce into the European Union.

He added that the situation was "especially difficult" for the shellfish sector, where goods were at risk of going off before reaching customers.

"It's not about the increased documentation per se," he said.

"We have taken that on board, and we ourselves - and I know many others - have had no issues with producing the actual paperwork."

"It's the volume required and the timeframe in which to produce it, which doesn't lend itself to live shellfish and fish generally."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55706114

Mark Moore's also said on LBC that "the bulk of the fishing industry voted for Brexit but it's the terms we have to work under now"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Captain Z on January 18, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
Hope they've got the statues protected.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 18, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
Mark Moore's also said on LBC that "the bulk of the fishing industry voted for Brexit but it's the terms we have to work under now"

I'm sure the bulk of the fishing industry did vote for Brexit, probably because they were consistently lied to about what it would involve. How many times did Johnson promise that we would be reclaiming our (nebulous) borders and that we could throw all (vitally important) paperwork in the bin? Roughly 8,000?

I am not a violent man but I think it's every British citizen's duty that, if you ever find yourself in a lift with our piss-haired, No-Face-gone-mad-with-greed-in-the-bathhouse of a PM, you must hoof him squarely in the bollocks.
Title: Shellfish selfish
Post by: Buelligan on January 18, 2021, 02:42:45 PM
I'm not especially sorry for them tbh.  They voted for what they believed would make them more money, they knew it would fuck other people but they wanted more for themselves.  Where was their solidarity with the fishing fleets of other countries?  Solidarity with other people outside their own little sphere?  Now they're getting fucked with the rest.

I'm not crazy about the idea of fish-murder and the depredation of the natural world for profit anyway.  Won't someone think of the fishies!?1!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
There ought to be a statue of a happy British fish to teach these fools their history!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 18, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Eel_and_man_%2840806086373%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Shellfish selfish
Post by: frajer on January 18, 2021, 03:15:03 PM
I'm not especially sorry for them tbh.  They voted for what they believed would make them more money, they knew it would fuck other people but they wanted more for themselves.  Where was their solidarity with the fishing fleets of other countries?  Solidarity with other people outside their own little sphere?  Now they're getting fucked with the rest.

Yeah I do feel the same way, unfortunately. I do try to focus my blame on our monstrously selfish piece-of-shit government, but it's hard to deny that 10 mins online research could have shown Brexiteers the stuff they were being promised was a wee bit fishy dangerous pack of lies.
Title: Re: Shellfish selfish
Post by: paruses on January 18, 2021, 05:52:03 PM
Yeah I do feel the same way, unfortunately. I do try to focus my blame on our monstrously selfish piece-of-shit government, but it's hard to deny that 10 mins online research could have shown Brexiteers the stuff they were being promised was a wee bit fishy dangerous pack of lies.

Exactly - I have heard quite a few people say "see, we weren't told any of this at the time". I never know how to respond apart from "all the information was there".
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 18, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Also, the government was voted in by these cretins, so yeah no sympathy at all for them. Only for the millions they've fucked over.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 18, 2021, 06:23:26 PM
It should have been obvious even to those who believed in Brexit what the result of leaving the EU while a Tory government was in power would be.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Inspector Norse on January 18, 2021, 08:21:24 PM
There ought to be a statue of a happy British fish

Here you go (https://cardboard.org.uk/news/michael-gove-heads-back-to-the-day-job/)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
owned
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on January 18, 2021, 10:05:05 PM
It should have been obvious even to those who believed in Brexit what the result of leaving the EU while a Tory government was in power would be.

Indeed. Was listening to this podcast from 2018 earlier

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2018/nov/26/why-did-the-fishing-industry-vote-for-brexit

Quote
In June 2016, a poll suggested that 92% of the fishing industry voted to leave the EU. Sam Wollaston spent four days onboard a trawler to find out why.

The fisherman being interviewed, Dave, comes across well and his arguments seem reasonable.  Access to British waters went down from 85% to 35% as a result of joining the EU, they have to throw fish away due to EU quotas and he went to Brussels to pitch some ideas for improving this, was turned down and he didn’t like the amount of lobbying by big business.

However, by voting brexit he was throwing his lot in with a bunch of lying liars and he seems smart enough to easily work that out.  Now he says

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“We’ve been sold out,” said David Stevens, 46-year-old skipper of the 24.5 metre Crystal Sea twin-rig demersal trawler. “The most galling kick in the teeth for us is the continued access for EU vessels inside the 12-mile limit.”

“The industry was used as a pawn all the way through - held up as the reason to be leaving - yet they have thrown us under the bus,” said Stevens.

Well tough shit mate


Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 10:23:27 PM
The EU is a load of shit of course, but I tend not to bring that up often because it was hardly one of the reasons why we hopelessly tore ourselves out of it
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on January 19, 2021, 01:40:17 PM
Shit's getting real now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55711531

Quote
Processed goods like jelly or gravy could be unavailable in NI at the end of the protocol grace period, according to Stormont's agriculture minister.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsF_Yk_W4AAl6KA?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 19, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
Could be bad news if you have a cat or dog to feed
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bernice on January 19, 2021, 02:32:17 PM
The EU is a load of shit of course, but I tend not to bring that up often because it was hardly one of the reasons why we hopelessly tore ourselves out of it

I wouldn't say that, it's at least some of the reasons. And, to be fair to the fisherman who are shocked, shocked, that Herr von Ribbentrop has failed to keep his word, this is all subject to renegotiation in five (?) years time, whereas little was ever going to change for them with Britain inside the EU.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 19, 2021, 02:38:38 PM
Who is Herr von Ribbentrop in this scenario, Dominic Cummings, Steve Bannon, The Daily Cunt, who?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bernice on January 19, 2021, 02:41:44 PM
The Tory Party I guess, or the mainstream leave movement more broadly.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 19, 2021, 02:44:09 PM
I despair of them.  The fishing community of Le Havre has more in common with them than those cunts but does that enter their minds?  No, no it does not.  Those bitches deserve the cold haddock of reality, smartly slapped across their dumb visages.  And they're going to get it.  Plus the John Dory of being totally hung out to dry.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 19, 2021, 02:47:44 PM
Does this mean less dead fish? Less destruction of our marine life?

It doesn't, does it?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on January 19, 2021, 03:15:19 PM
Does this mean less dead fish? Less destruction of our marine life?

It doesn't, does it?

God, no. Once the UK fishing industry has collapsed, we'll just sell access to our waters to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Shellfish selfish
Post by: Kankurette on January 19, 2021, 06:17:36 PM
Exactly - I have heard quite a few people say "see, we weren't told any of this at the time". I never know how to respond apart from "all the information was there".
Except people did try to warn them. And just got laughed at or ignored.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on January 19, 2021, 06:19:02 PM
The EU is a load of shit of course, but I tend not to bring that up often because it was hardly one of the reasons why we hopelessly tore ourselves out of it
The bad points of the EU are a feature for the Tories, not a bug.
Title: Re: Shellfish selfish
Post by: paruses on January 19, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
Except people did try to warn them. And just got laughed at or ignored.

Well quite. Maybe I should rephrase it to "it was all there in what you called Project Fear and chose to ignore".

The thing that really grates on me is that most of the people I personally know that voted leave and notionally complain won't really be affected as they have no ambition to do anything or leave the confines of this rural town.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 19, 2021, 06:53:56 PM
A lot of those who voted Leave because they believed the Tories and the right-wing grifters won't learn from it next time, either. They'll swallow whatever Johnson and whoever replaces him tell them.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 20, 2021, 11:10:44 AM
Quote
Tory MPs have voted down a legal bid which was aimed at protecting the NHS in post-Brexit trade deals.

The House of Lords passed an amendment last month which would have blocked any trade deal that “undermines or restricts” the ability to provide “a comprehensive publicly funded health service free at the point of delivery”.

The amendment also would have blocked “the sale of patient data” in any trade deal unless the proceeds were ploughed back into UK health and care services, along with a string of other restrictions.

But the government defeated the proposed law tonight in the Commons - saying it wasn’t necessary because there was no question of the NHS being on the table in a trade deal...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mps-vote-down-legal-23348917

Bizarre logic, if the NHS won't be on the table then why vote against the proposed law?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 20, 2021, 11:17:06 AM
Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one!

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18255016.revealed-links-conservatives-private-healthcare/

Is it because Tories are lying, greedy shitheads?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on January 20, 2021, 11:18:11 AM
Bizarre logic, if the NHS won't be on the table then why vote against the proposed law?

Because THEY ARE TELLING... A LIE.

cf https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/uk-ministers-gain-power-to-allow-lower-standard-food-imports
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 20, 2021, 11:28:50 AM
It's not even on the front page of the BBC News website.

The Tories are literally saying "we should be allowed to do this because we won't do it" and the media largely seem to be ignoring it. If a child said "I should be allowed to have the key to the cigarette drawer because I won't use it", any parent would say no. Yet those in charge get away with it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 20, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
Well yeah because they're in charge.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 20, 2021, 11:38:12 AM
I know but it's how little of an outcry there is that annoys me. We know that the grifters, the rich and those working in private healthcare will support it, but surely most people would rather have a guarantee that they won't have to pay for medical insurance and risk going into debt if their insurance doesn't cover a procedure. It's astonishing how many people still trust this government.

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 20, 2021, 05:55:17 PM
March 2019: Leave.EU tweet "WATCH The Who legend Roger Daltrey on @SkyNews: "As if we didn't tour in Europe before the fucking EU. Give it up! If you want to sign up to be ruled by a fucking mafia you do it. It's like being governed by FIFA!"

January 2020: Roger Daltrey has signed a letter demanding action from UK govt to ensure visa-free touring in the EU

https://twitter.com/DrownedinSound/status/1351794639393742849
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 20, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
The entire Brexit movement, on a geopolitical level, is like watching a clueless aristocrat trying to boss people about after he's already squandered his fortune, not aware of just how insignificant he has become. Britain is in terminal decline and yet in terminal denial... the only genuinely rich individuals left we have any relation to are vultures who would set up camp anywhere to make a fast buck, who have no allegiance to the UK or any interest in 'restoring' the nation's pride. Just conmen softening the dough faced patriots up before they fuck them. If we are fortunate they will employ us on much reduced pay and conditions in worse jobs.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 20, 2021, 10:47:36 PM
At least Johnny Foreigner won't be guzzling our Grate British cheeses any more: https://westcountrybylines.co.uk/quadruple-cheese-brexit-whammy/
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 20, 2021, 11:15:10 PM
And we won't have to gulp down their swill

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/18/a-multiple-pile-up-in-the-fog-wine-agents-fury-at-brexit-red-tape
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on January 20, 2021, 11:37:50 PM
I wonder if ironically red tape is in fact still easy to export.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 21, 2021, 07:39:57 AM
Are there any pro-Brexit stories being made up pushed? I do my utmost not to look at the Mail or Express or that lot but I remember a notification on my phone from The Mail that Waitrose shelves were bare because of Brexit a few days ago.

Just wondered if the strategy for now was to ignore rather than propagandize things (might have made that verb up).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 21, 2021, 08:31:30 AM
Quote
"I had no idea at all I was going to be charged any more for deliveries after Brexit… the extra costs were definitely a bit of a shock."

Ellie Huddleston, a 26-year-old Londoner, thought she would treat herself to some new work clothes in the January sales.

Having spotted a bargain, she placed an order for a coat and a number of blouses from two of her favourite clothes brands based in Europe.

But both deliveries were delayed, held up in customs checks for at least a week, she says.

She was surprised when she then received a text from courier company DPD, containing a link asking her to pay £58 in additional charges for her £180 order.

On top of that, the UPS courier for the second parcel showed up at her door several days later, asking for an extra payment of £82 for her £200 coat.

"I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming - so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon."...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 21, 2021, 09:13:18 AM
In other Brexit news, the UK is refusing to give EU ambassador  Joao Vale de Almeida the full diplomatic status that is granted to other ambassadors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

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...The Foreign Office is insisting he and his officials should not have the privileges and immunities afforded to diplomats under the Vienna Convention.

It is understood not to want to set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

As it stands, the ambassador would not have the chance to present his credentials to the Queen like other diplomatic heads of mission.

The British decision is in marked contrast to 142 other countries around the world where the EU has delegations and where its ambassadors are all granted the same status as diplomats representing sovereign nations...

What a load of petty Little Englanders our Government is made up of.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 21, 2021, 09:46:02 AM
I know people who vote Tory and they are still convinced that the NHS is safe with the Tories. One of them would be dead without the support of the NHS and another would be in millions of pounds of medical debt.

What can you do about this shit?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 21, 2021, 10:10:03 AM
I know people who vote Tory and they are still convinced that the NHS is safe with the Tories. One of them would be dead without the support of the NHS and another would be in millions of pounds of medical debt.

What can you do about this shit?

I've had this discussion with a few people who feel the same way, and there is absolutely no logic to their reasoning. It got so heated and was ultimately pointless so I don't bother talking to people about it anymore.

Acquaintance: "Do you seriously think they'd turn people away and let them die if they couldn't afford treatment?"
Frajer: "Yeah."
Acquaintance: "So you're saying the govt will murder poor people rather than help them?! You just sound stupid."
Frajer: *shoots self in head*

And of course it'll be the same showers of shit who claim in hindsight they "had no idea" what they were voting for.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 21, 2021, 10:42:27 AM
All these businesses vs. customs/HMRC stories seem to be exactly the same narrative: the cost of the paperwork is too high for us to make a profit selling the amount that we sell. It does look suspiciously as if the only companies that can afford to absorb the costs are the huge ones where each consignment is tens or hundreds of tons.

Good to see the Conservatives backing[1] their one hope for our future economy, the SMEs that will grow into share-selling, speculatable multinationals.
 1. out of providing any support for
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 21, 2021, 10:46:55 AM
They really, truly don't give a fuck about the economy do they?

Corbyn really was their last chance to save consumer capitalism. Ironically.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 21, 2021, 11:35:07 AM
The handling of covid alone also indicates that the tories give very few amount of shits about SMEs. That's what I will never understand about Tories, they do absolutely nothing but line pockets of people who do not need money.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Hundhoon on January 21, 2021, 11:59:35 AM
i was really against Brexit but i think it has the potential to be the best thing the UK ever did.




 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: An tSaoi on January 21, 2021, 12:07:33 PM
Just wondered if the strategy for now was to ignore rather than propagandize things (might have made that verb up).

Any bad things are actually because of COVID, or the EU. Or the media. Or Remainers. Or even the Government. Anything but Brexit itself.

Brexiteers don't mind everything being awful as long as they can blame someone else for it. Think about all those things that could have been changed or scrapped or fixed while still in the EU, but weren't. There's no appetite for actually improving conditions for anyone. As long as it doesn't involve any self-reflection, and as long as the blame is placed squarely with outside forces, they'll put up with it.

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 21, 2021, 01:53:46 PM
God, no. Once the UK fishing industry has collapsed, we'll just sell access to our waters to the highest bidder.
Nobody in Britain wants to eat British fish, like mackerel and all the weird brown oily shit (except farmed salmon which obviously doesn't require much effort to catch). You don't get many tuna in the North Sea, and most prawns and even cod are imported. It's a basic thing that if you're producing something that you need to export (oily fish and shellfish), then you need access to export markets. Sheep farmers will have the same trouble (most sheep meat is exported, alive or dead), so I'm hoping we'll see both our hills and our oceans turned into nature reserves. In practice, they'll probably turn them into huge breeders for biofuel or concrete them over or something.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 21, 2021, 02:29:47 PM
Regarding what happens when you order things from the EU/EEA[1] to Britain, the Guardian had an article (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/21/britons-buying-from-eu-websites-face-more-than-100-import-duties) about people paying £120 fees on a £230 jumpsuit from Norway. From my research, if you buy through an online marketplace like Amazon Marketplace or eBay from a firm in the EU/EEA, then the marketplace handles the VAT registration and all the other shit and it's easy (I bought from France via eBay), but if you buy direct the firm must pay to register with the UK VAT authorities and a bunch of other bullshit red tape, or you the customer must pay huge fees. So in summary, another victory for Amazon in their war against small business.
 1. The EEA includes Norway, Iceland, etc, and have basically the same trading rules
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 21, 2021, 02:38:29 PM
Any bad things are actually because of COVID, or the EU. Or the media. Or Remainers. Or even the Government. Anything but Brexit itself.

Brexiteers don't mind everything being awful as long as they can blame someone else for it. Think about all those things that could have been changed or scrapped or fixed while still in the EU, but weren't. There's no appetite for actually improving conditions for anyone. As long as it doesn't involve any self-reflection, and as long as the blame is placed squarely with outside forces, they'll put up with it.

Oh of course - that strategy was put in place even before anything happened. Piss is boiling just thinking about hearing various wankers adopt that over the last four years.

I was just thinking that while I've had notifications of how great Brexit will be articles over the last couple of years, I've not seen anything positive pop up. Guess those outlets are keeping their powder dry and letting Covid do the work for now. Or maybe they will just do what The Sun did when it went all in on backing Bubble on Big Brother; when he was voted  out a week later they just pretended he was nothing to do with them.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 21, 2021, 05:35:58 PM
Regarding what happens when you order things from the EU/EEA[1] to Britain, the Guardian had an article (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/21/britons-buying-from-eu-websites-face-more-than-100-import-duties) about people paying £120 fees on a £230 jumpsuit from Norway. From my research, if you buy through an online marketplace like Amazon Marketplace or eBay from a firm in the EU/EEA, then the marketplace handles the VAT registration and all the other shit and it's easy (I bought from France via eBay), but if you buy direct the firm must pay to register with the UK VAT authorities and a bunch of other bullshit red tape, or you the customer must pay huge fees. So in summary, another victory for Amazon in their war against small business.
 1. The EEA includes Norway, Iceland, etc, and have basically the same trading rules

Just had a quick look, Ebay are applying substantial import charges on stuff like jumpers from the UK if they're sent to France.  £50 jumper will cost an extra £15 in customs charges, for example.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 21, 2021, 07:44:00 PM
Just had a quick look, Ebay are applying substantial import charges on stuff like jumpers from the UK if they're sent to France.  £50 jumper will cost an extra £15 in customs charges, for example.
Tariff-free trade, eh? According to the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/customers-europe-hit-by-post-brexit-charges-buying-from-uk), their local version of VAT must be paid on goods sent to the EU, but customers in the EU must also complete a customs form for each thing they buy from the UK, and agents are charging big fees to cover the costs of someone filling out the form for you.

Still, someone I know is for their work attempting to ship products from Germany to Ireland via a distribution centre in Scotland and a port in Northern Ireland. Trivial pre-Brexit, now apparently impossible.

I'm awaiting the first Brexiteer to be fined or sent to jail for filling out their forms wrong.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 21, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Shit's getting real now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55711531
Quote
Processed goods like jelly or gravy could be unavailable in NI at the end of the protocol grace period, according to Stormont's agriculture minister.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsF_Yk_W4AAl6KA?format=png&name=small)
I'm amazed that the magic of capitalism hasn't solved this problem. Come on Northern Ireland, build a fucking jelly factory.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 22, 2021, 08:40:08 AM
Regarding what happens when you order things from the EU/EEA[1] to Britain, the Guardian had an article (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/21/britons-buying-from-eu-websites-face-more-than-100-import-duties) about people paying £120 fees on a £230 jumpsuit from Norway. From my research, if you buy through an online marketplace like Amazon Marketplace or eBay from a firm in the EU/EEA, then the marketplace handles the VAT registration and all the other shit and it's easy (I bought from France via eBay), but if you buy direct the firm must pay to register with the UK VAT authorities and a bunch of other bullshit red tape, or you the customer must pay huge fees. So in summary, another victory for Amazon in their war against small business.
 1. The EEA includes Norway, Iceland, etc, and have basically the same trading rules

Tried to buy a guitar pedal via Amazon yesterday (only place I could find that had stock) and was told my address (which has never been a problem before) could not be delivered to, no explanation. This must be something to do with the goods coming from the EU. A friend of mine suggested that the answer is to sign up to Amazon.fr and it'll be delivered to the UK no problem.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on January 22, 2021, 11:08:06 AM
Nissan to commit to Sunderland with battery switch (https://www.just-auto.com/news/nissan-to-commit-to-sunderland-with-battery-switch_id199792.aspx)

So that's a nice thing for Nissan to commit to isn't it Andy?

Nissan intend to start making batteries in the UK rather than importing from Asia so they can export tarriff free to the EU

Quote
Under the terms of the FTA agreed late last year between the UK and EU, local content on EU-bound cars that qualify for free circulation does not include parts - such as battery cells - assembled in Britain but sourced from outside the UK and EU, for example from China or Japan. That pointed to a potential problem for UK-made EVs that source battery cells from Asia.

So that's good I suppose. Although there was nothing stopping them doing this before Brexit, of course. I imagine making the batteries here will be more expensive, but as Nissan say they're huge so it's peanuts to them.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 22, 2021, 12:02:13 PM
What will happen to the price of batteries built in post-Brexit UK if the UK throw out workers' protection laws?  Will it give Nissan the ability to export cheap batteries to the EU, tariff free?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on January 22, 2021, 12:32:56 PM
God, no. Once the UK fishing industry has collapsed, we'll just sell access to our waters to the highest bidder.

Worldwide fishing has no future, it will collapse for all countries within the next 20 years then god knows what will happen.

What will happen to the price of batteries built in post-Brexit UK if the UK throw out workers' protection laws?  Will it give Nissan the ability to export cheap batteries to the EU, tariff free?

The only thing that will reduce the price of batteries is the drop in cost of the lithium and cobalt used and also increase in overall production around the world. There are some alternative battery technologies in development that could significantly slash raw material costs but who knows if they make it beyond the lab.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 22, 2021, 12:44:21 PM
Quote
I'm awaiting the first Brexiteer to be fined or sent to jail for filling out their forms wrong

Matter of time, in fact it probably has already happened...
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on January 22, 2021, 12:45:21 PM

Come on Northern Ireland, build a fucking jelly factory.

I'm no builder, but wouldn't concrete be a better option?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 22, 2021, 01:21:15 PM
The only thing that will reduce the price of batteries is the drop in cost of the lithium and cobalt used and also increase in overall production around the world. There are some alternative battery technologies in development that could significantly slash raw material costs but who knows if they make it beyond the lab.

So batteries produced with identical materials in a country that treats its workers properly and pays them correctly[1] will cost exactly the same if they're produced in a country where they do not?

Won't it be great if Brexit makes it possible, not just possible, desirable, that workers' rights in Britain are destroyed and, because the products of those workers may be exported to the EU tariff-free, that under-cuts workers treated properly in Europe, losing them their jobs?
 1. and, maybe, also takes care not to damage the environment too much
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on January 22, 2021, 01:33:05 PM
I'm awaiting the first Brexiteer to be fined or sent to jail for filling out their forms wrong.

"I didn't realise what we were voting for!"
Will you continue to vote Tory?
"Oh, definitely!"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 22, 2021, 01:46:36 PM

I'm awaiting the first Brexiteer to be fined or sent to jail for filling out their forms wrong.

Nah, that's not how bureaucracy works.

"Sorry sir, but you seem to have omitted to complete section 4 of for UVL-95-C. You'll need to get an erratum form from window 9 of Portcullis Mews office and attach it with the information".

"Can't I just complete it now?"

"No sir, because the form is stamped and notarised"

"Oh, Can I just start the form again?"

"Of course sir-"

"-great-"

"You'll need to get a resubmission chit from Control, submit it in triplicate to Lengths and have it on the desk of the Area Administrator by Monday morning."

/kills self
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on January 22, 2021, 01:56:49 PM
So batteries produced with identical materials in a country that treats its workers properly and pays them correctly[1] will cost exactly the same if they're produced in a country where they do not?

Won't it be great if Brexit makes it possible, not just possible, desirable, that workers' rights in Britain are destroyed and, because the products of those workers may be exported to the EU tariff-free, that under-cuts workers treated properly in Europe, losing them their jobs?
 1. and, maybe, also takes care not to damage the environment too much

No for your first point. The countries\companies that just pay their workers less will simply generate more profit per battery, anyway the pay for a production worker in creating the batteries is so small as to not make much noticable difference anyway if it's comparably low or high. The thing's I mentioned in my first email will lower the cost as well as competition between different battery producers.

The below quote is from https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1126308_electric-car-battery-prices-dropped-13-in-2019-will-reach-100-kwh-in-2023 (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1126308_electric-car-battery-prices-dropped-13-in-2019-will-reach-100-kwh-in-2023)
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From 2010 to 2019, lithium-ion battery prices (when looking at the battery pack as a whole) have fallen from $1,100 per kilowatt-hour to $156/kwh—an 87% cut

Your second point isn't worth pauseing to think about for even a femtosecond.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 22, 2021, 02:13:09 PM
Can't we just go back to tin mining so we can make sturdy bronze? Those were the good old days when Britain had some industry.

Fuck the EU, we have tin.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 22, 2021, 02:14:39 PM

Your second point isn't worth pauseing to think about for even a femtosecond.


Not if you've been an enthusiastic cheerleader of a right-wing coup that's now coming apart before your eyes, no.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on January 22, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
Won't it be great if Brexit makes it possible, not just possible, desirable, that workers' rights in Britain are destroyed and, because the products of those workers may be exported to the EU tariff-free, that under-cuts workers treated properly in Europe, losing them their jobs?

I think the level playing field clauses of the trade agreement would kick in. If the UK moves too far from EU rules in a way which is deemed unfair to EU businesses by an independent arbitrator, its access to the European market could be limited. Which, in practice, probably means imposing tariffs.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 22, 2021, 02:21:47 PM
I think the level playing field clauses of the trade agreement would kick in. If the UK moves too far from EU rules in a way which is deemed unfair to EU businesses by an independent arbitrator, its access to the European market could be limited. Which, in practice, probably means imposing tariffs.

I can't imagine the current government giving much of a toss about that tbh.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 22, 2021, 02:23:29 PM
Not if you've been an enthusiastic cheerleader of a right-wing coup that's now coming apart before your eyes, no.

As a right-wing coup it's going quite well, isn't it?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 22, 2021, 02:45:16 PM

Your second point isn't worth pauseing to think about for even a femtosecond.

You clearly didn't before you voted out.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on January 22, 2021, 03:33:52 PM
Brexit is irrelevant to pay levels anyway. The minimum wage isn't a function of EU membership, and if a UK government wanted to slash/abolish it they could do so in or out of the EU.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 22, 2021, 03:42:22 PM
No for your first point. The countries\companies that just pay their workers less will simply generate more profit per battery, anyway the pay for a production worker in creating the batteries is so small as to not make much noticable difference anyway if it's comparably low or high.

18% of the selling price of the batteries goes towards labour costs, according to https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Lithium-ion-battery-cost-breakdown_tbl2_294580055. 25% of the production cost. (That's from 2009, don't know how things have changed since then.)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 22, 2021, 04:09:13 PM
I'm no builder, but wouldn't concrete be a better option?

concrete tastes rubbish in a trifle
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Dex Sawash on January 22, 2021, 05:05:15 PM


Fuck the EU, we have tin.

But they have TinTin.

Advantage, EU
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on January 22, 2021, 06:07:32 PM
Brexit is irrelevant to pay levels anyway. The minimum wage isn't a function of EU membership,
I think some of the social pillar work is going to address this. The Commission set out a proposed directive in October 2020 (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1968).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 22, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
Brexit is irrelevant to pay levels anyway. The minimum wage isn't a function of EU membership, and if a UK government wanted to slash/abolish it they could do so in or out of the EU.

What about employment rights?  Job security?  Holidays?  Sick pay?  In an increasingly automated age?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on January 22, 2021, 07:06:50 PM
What about employment rights?  Job security?  Holidays?  Sick pay?  In an increasingly automated age?

They're important, of course they are. Which is why I didn't say or suggest anything to the contrary.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 22, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
It's not really about suggesting anything to the contrary though, is it?  That isn't the issue. 

The reality, the issue, is that British workers have been hoodwinked into voting away their protections and security.  And by doing that, they've opened the door for the dominos of working class security across Europe to be toppled.  That's real. 

This isn't about personal feelings or who won, it's about a real thing made possible now.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on January 22, 2021, 11:52:16 PM
It's not really about suggesting anything to the contrary though, is it?  That isn't the issue. 

The reality, the issue, is that British workers have been hoodwinked into voting away their protections and security.  And by doing that, they've opened the door for the dominos of working class security across Europe to be toppled.  That's real. 

This isn't about personal feelings or who won, it's about a real thing made possible now.

Do we have a name yet for the left equivalent of those who bought into the Qanon stuff?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 23, 2021, 12:24:29 AM
We?

What's actually wrong with what Buelligan said?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on January 23, 2021, 12:41:02 AM
It's not really about suggesting anything to the contrary though, is it?  That isn't the issue. 

The reality, the issue, is that British workers have been hoodwinked into voting away their protections and security.  And by doing that, they've opened the door for the dominos of working class security across Europe to be toppled.  That's real. 

This isn't about personal feelings or who won, it's about a real thing made possible now.

Yes, but hoodwinked, though? They just shut their ears and dreamt about forrins being sent home.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on January 23, 2021, 08:27:24 AM
Heard eel cunt on radio this morning. Still fucked. lol
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 23, 2021, 10:58:55 AM
Do we have a name yet for the left equivalent of those who bought into the Qanon stuff?

Lexiters, I believe, if you're alluding to the Leave campaign.  I don't use it because I see it as divisive.  We need to address the reality of what's happening now to actual people.  To do that, we need to accept that reality and unite to improve it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 23, 2021, 01:09:39 PM
Still, at least those African farmers are benefitting from Brexit...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tariffs-bananas-africa-farmers-b1791225.html
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on January 23, 2021, 10:35:52 PM
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues  (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu)

lol
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 24, 2021, 12:15:55 AM
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues  (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu)

lol
See this is the genius of Brexit. British companies will all open up EU companies and sell to the EU, but companies from the EU won't be arsed to open up a British subsidiary to sell here. Advantage to British industry! (Or at least to the British companies big enough to afford EU companies; small companies are fucked, but who cares about them, they can't give Boris Johnson and the Tories anything useful.)
Title: Dolphins laughing, not waving
Post by: Buelligan on January 24, 2021, 09:42:05 AM
Yeah, the Great British manufacturing base will swing into action, corning its own corner and the great capitalist dream and necessity of ever expanding markets will be Britain's alone[1].  They've out-thought us once again!  Huzzah!

Thanks for all the fish btw.
 1. within the borders of Britain
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 24, 2021, 12:18:04 PM
HMRC admits that the current setup will cost businesses £15billion a year in paperwork (£7.5 billion on each side) - the same as a no-deal would have cost.

So forrin businesses will have to pay £7.5 billion p.a. more to trade with us? I'm sure they're chomping at the bit to get their hands on our wealth.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/annual-7-5bn-cost-of-eu-trade-as-bad-for-business-as-no-deal-brexit-jd7llrtb6
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 24, 2021, 12:37:53 PM
It's so pathetic hearing and reading the first "They lied to us!" changes of heart about Brexit. Such much for Remoaners.

Yes, they lied to you - welcome to nationalism.

You wanted the lies to be the truth, and you practiced denial over the reams of information you could have empowered yourself with. Now welcome to the moribund shithole you have created. Act 1, the total destruction of UK fishing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 24, 2021, 12:40:21 PM
Episode 2 -  Ffermio Defaid; yng Nghymru ac mewn mannau eraill

(https://i2-prod.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/article12397387.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/ARWYN-ROBERTS-PICTURES-OF-2016-CHRISTMAS-SPECIAL.jpg)
Wake up people!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on January 24, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsfWIJZXUAUeuWp?format=jpg&name=small)

fucking lol
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 24, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsfWIJZXUAUeuWp?format=jpg&name=small)

fucking lol
"clever ploy"? Fucking last ditch effort to stay afloat, and only affordable to large companies, more like.

Which reminds me - why didn't we get the usual "If this goes through I'm emigrating!" stuff about Brexit? From the entire business community.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 24, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
As I'm sure you know, many people had the common sense to get out whilst it was still possible.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-scm-ireland-city-move-eu-withdrawal-dublin-a8398041.html
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Leo2112 on January 25, 2021, 01:15:21 AM
Whole lot more shit coming down the road

https://i.redd.it/dww1ktxky9d61.png
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 25, 2021, 01:18:10 AM
As I'm sure you know, many people had the common sense to get out whilst it was still possible.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-scm-ireland-city-move-eu-withdrawal-dublin-a8398041.html

I hope that fucking cunt gets [a really bad headache.] All of these horrible, disgusting excuses of filth disguised as human beings hell bent on killing as many poor people as possible for literally no reason 

Not even joking.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: salr on January 25, 2021, 03:15:56 AM
I hope that fucking cunt gets [a really bad headache.] Nothing poetic or funny. Just brutally murdered. All of these horrible, disgusting excuses of filth disguised as human beings hell bent on killing as many poor people as possible for literally no reason 

Not even joking.

Bit grim this.

Like i think i can understand the sentiment, but wishing that kind of physical pain on another human is a bit rum.

(I fantasise about killing Rupert Murdoch. I would make it quick)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 25, 2021, 09:52:27 AM
Speaking of unpleasant and untimely deaths, apparently, two days ago, the Faragist Brexiteer ex-MEP for South East England, Robert Rowland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rowland), died in a diving accident at his home in the Bahamas.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Rowland was a climate change sceptic. In a speech on 23 October 2019 he said "decarbonisation is deindustrialisation. It amounts to unilateral disarmament.

(https://www.alsahawat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screenshot-2019-07-13-at-18.18.30.png)
Happier times

Now watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5VgkCb8lYI&pbjreload=101
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 25, 2021, 10:56:07 AM
Speaking of unpleasant and untimely deaths, apparently, two days ago, the Faragist Brexiteer ex-MEP for South East England, Robert Rowland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rowland), died in a diving accident at his home in the Bahamas.

(https://www.alsahawat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screenshot-2019-07-13-at-18.18.30.png)
Happier times

I like how the rising seas killed him just because I like irony.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on January 25, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
The irony of his corpse decarbonising as he decomposes.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 25, 2021, 11:51:40 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55788542

Quote
Nigel Farage paid tribute to the "larger than life character"[1] and "enthusiastic" Brexit supporter[2].
 1. Cunt
 2. Cunt and/or racist

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 25, 2021, 11:55:52 AM
He didn't even get to see employment rights abolished, or the sea devoid of life. Poor man.

I hope Sir Jim Ratcliffe doesn't have a stroke before trade unions are made illegal.

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
He didn't even get to see employment rights abolished, or the sea devoid of life. Poor man.

I guess he was taking a closer look for himself when he died. Maybe his last thought was "job done".
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 25, 2021, 01:32:22 PM
Wow, according to Wikipedia, Rowland formerly worked for George Soros's fund management firm. Illuminati conspirator!

Also
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On 9 July 2019, Rowland's Twitter activities received national attention when he tweeted at David Lammy, MP: "Lammy, you’re[1] first port of call should be the Chicago School of Economics. Complete 3 years and then you might understand 10% of what we all understand. Ignorance and race baiting is your signature tune." Twitter users said that the Chicago School of Economics is not an actual university, but a school of thought; and that American degrees would in any case require 4 years, not 3. David Lammy also said that he had, in fact, attended Harvard University.
 1. sic
But fuck Wikipedia for this verbing: "Rowland schooled at Sedbergh in Cumbria".
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 25, 2021, 02:21:34 PM
I wonder where he Christmased.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 25, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
He was so proud of Brexit Britain he stayed in the Bahamas.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on January 25, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
I wonder where he Christmased.

I know where he drownsed
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 25, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
Yep, the Bahamas - I wonder if he noticed this -

(https://global.unitednations.entermediadb.net/assets/mediadb/services/module/asset/downloads/preset/Libraries/Production+Library/13-09-2019_NICA-820473_Marsh-Harbor_2.jpg/image1170x530cropped.jpg)
Nothing abnormal here
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on January 25, 2021, 03:12:25 PM
Mastercard is to raise the fees it charges merchants when UK cardholders buy goods and services from the EU by fivefold - from 0.3% to 1.5%

Mastercard has said that is because of Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55796426
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: SpiderChrist on January 25, 2021, 04:18:26 PM
Mastercard is to raise the fees it charges merchants when UK cardholders buy goods and services from the EU by fivefold - from 0.3% to 1.5%

Mastercard has said that is because of Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55796426

Journalist on World At One described it as "a small increase".
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 25, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
Mastercard is to raise the fees it charges merchants when UK cardholders buy goods and services from the EU by fivefold - from 0.3% to 1.5%

Mastercard has said that is because of Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55796426

"Because of Brexit" meaning because the EU cap on the fees no longer applies to UK cardholders. i.e., "Because we want to, and thanks to Brexit, we can."
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 26, 2021, 06:39:39 AM
Any idea if the ban on the surcharge for paying by credit card was an EU or UK instigation? Either way I would imagine it will be back soon enough.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on January 26, 2021, 08:10:45 AM
I can't help thinking that the home advice to set up companies in the EU (and thus pay tax there) is the first step to making the UK a tax haven. Small companies go bust (no tax), middle-sized companies set up in Europe, rich people avoid tax = no tax on business being collected, might as well just abolish it. NHS etc. take a hit because of lack of revenue, sold to the highest bidder, job done.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: pigamus on January 26, 2021, 08:15:56 AM
Yeah, the idea is to turn us into Singapore, supposedly.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on January 26, 2021, 09:45:00 AM
Any idea if the ban on the surcharge for paying by credit card was an EU or UK instigation? Either way I would imagine it will be back soon enough.

It was an EU directive, that the Tories claimed credit for. FWIW, if they do reverse it I'm sure someone will have kept the receipts of them claiming it was their idea.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 26, 2021, 10:33:22 AM
Yeah, the idea is to turn us into Singapore, supposedly.

Nearly a third of the population of Singapore are non-citizens. All but a very small number are 'non-native Singapore'. If Britain is to be Singapore-in-the-rain, that implies a sharp rise in immigration.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 26, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
Just over three million of the 5.7 million residents of Singapore are ethnic Chinese, many of whom were obviously born there. That's 52 percent. Other ethnic groups comprise Malay (545,500) and Indian (362,270). Ethnic Singaporeans don't even get their own category.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/622748/singapore-resident-population-by-ethnic-group/

Just wondering if anyone's told Farage about this?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: buttgammon on January 26, 2021, 10:58:38 AM
Not a lot of freeze peach in Singapore either, unless you're a fan of corporal punishment.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Sherringford Hovis on January 26, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Come on Northern Ireland, build a fucking jelly factory.

I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords. Sort it out, barry.

Great Kitten. United Kittendom. The sun never sets on the Kittish Empire.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 26, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
I can't help thinking that the home advice to set up companies in the EU (and thus pay tax there) is the first step to making the UK a tax haven. Small companies go bust (no tax), middle-sized companies set up in Europe, rich people avoid tax = no tax on business being collected, might as well just abolish it. NHS etc. take a hit because of lack of revenue, sold to the highest bidder, job done.

I think covid confirmed us once and for all that tories actively want to destroy small to medium enterprises. Which I suppose will at least force us back into the age of monopolies as we say goodbye to capitalism.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 28, 2021, 07:42:35 AM
Further to my question of how (lack of) pro-Brexit stories are being handled it seems that Covid is being used to distract from the UK's very obvious suicide attempt. Push notification of a Telegraph article - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/27/finally-country-seeing-eu-nasty-vindictive-nationalistic/

Fortunately I can only see the first few lines but it is Farage (whatever happened to that guy?) saying how the other MEPs hated him because he told it like it is. I assume the point of the article is to confirm that this inevitable business shit-show is because of them and not a basic error in understanding how international trade works (on the part of voters) and a long game big business coup (on the part of the orchestrators) .

None of this is a surprise and it's only the start of many similar lines I would think.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 28, 2021, 02:46:05 PM
Frankly I'd think considerably less of them if they didn't hate Farage.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on January 28, 2021, 03:10:29 PM
Can't believe the EU aren't prepared to break their own laws to help the country that literally told them to shove their help up their arse.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on January 28, 2021, 03:11:51 PM
Frankly I'd think considerably less of them if they didn't hate Farage.

He is an excellent Litmus test for cuntitude.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 28, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Further to my question of how (lack of) pro-Brexit stories are being handled it seems that Covid is being used to distract from the UK's very obvious suicide attempt. Push notification of a Telegraph article - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/27/finally-country-seeing-eu-nasty-vindictive-nationalistic/

Fortunately I can only see the first few lines but it is Farage (whatever happened to that guy?) saying how the other MEPs hated him because he told it like it is. I assume the point of the article is to confirm that this inevitable business shit-show is because of them and not a basic error in understanding how international trade works (on the part of voters) and a long game big business coup (on the part of the orchestrators) .

None of this is a surprise and it's only the start of many similar lines I would think.


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Finally, the country is seeing the EU for what it is: nasty, vindictive and nationalistic

In threatening Britain, the EU has shown its true colours

27 January 2021 • 10:48am
Nigel Farage

During the 20 years that I spent attending the European Parliament, I often found it to be a lonely place. I would launch attack after attack on the very concept of the European Commission, the executive branch of the EU, and for this I received complaints, cold shoulders, and sometimes abuse. Why? Because I was just about the only MEP who was willing to take a stand against this rotten system.

What used to enrage those on the Brussels payroll was my pointing out that the Commission was stuffed full of unelected politicians who had – at best – patchy records in domestic politics but who suddenly wielded significant power over 500 million people. The EU Commissioner for Health and Food Safety, Stella Kyriakides, is a case in point. Her recent pronouncement that Covid-19 vaccines should not be exported outside the EU without official permission tells you all you need to know about the way the bloc does business.

When Boris Johnson’s government decided that Britain would leave the European Medicines Agency in 2020, and that this country would therefore make its own public health decisions in future, there was a chorus of disapproval from the usual Remainer suspects. They claimed that anti-EU dogma would endanger the lives of Britons. So isn’t it fascinating to see how different the reality is? Brexit Britain was the first western nation to approve the Pfizer vaccine for use, with substantial orders placed some time ago. True, much of the British government’s handling of the pandemic has been erratic to say the least, but the fact that 10 per cent of the UK population has received the first Covid vaccine to date is praiseworthy. It goes to show how fleet of foot our nation can be now that it is free of the EU’s shackles. 

Compare this with the EU’s 27 states. After a considerable amount of dithering and delay that is so characteristic of bureaucratic machines like the European Commission, the EU is now trying desperately to catch up. Germany has managed just 2.1 doses per 100, the EU average is 1.9 and it’s 1.7 in France. Other member states, such as the Netherlands and Sweden, are lagging further behind. Judging by Germany’s seething tabloid press, and the nightly riots in Dutch cities, EU citizens are not happy with their overlords. More dangerous still from the perspective of Brussels is that political instability in Italy may force a general election there this year. Italy’s Eurosceptic Lega Party is likely to do very well in any such election, and this will almost certainly put the European Commission under further pressure. To make matters worse, the European Commission was told last week by the drug company Astrazeneca that it would cut the supply of its vaccine to the EU by 60 per cent after production delays at its factory in Belgium.

It was against this tense backdrop that the virtually unknown Ms Kyriakides, a Cypriot psychologist turned politician, instructed Pfizer that the EU must be told before more jabs go to Britain. Her statement was designed to show the EU’s people that their big brother in Brussels will look after them. By making what amounts to a nationalist decree that no exports to third countries will be allowed without prior approval, she may have gone some way to achieving her aim. Be in no doubt, however, that at the front of her mind was the relative success of the United Kingdom and the 3.5m vaccine doses that will shortly be delivered here that have been manufactured in Belgium. The fact that Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said that Britain is willing to help other EU countries tackle the Covid crisis appears to be of no consequence.

In her approval hearings to become a Commissioner, Kyriakides called for a uniform EU approach to vaccine distribution, as opposed to a national one. With the UK having made a successful national decision, something had to be said, of course. But by making a direct threat to the United Kingdom, this Commissioner has done more than any other to show the nasty, vindictive and nationalistic side of the EU. Everyone can now see its true colours.

This acts as a brilliant justification of our country’s decision in 2016 to quit the EU. As I’ve said before, there are bad people in this bad organisation who are intent on building a new European Empire whatever the cost. But I believe it is high time that the British government went further and stopped chirruping its charming narrative that the EU is a good institution to which the UK happened not to be suited. If this crisis has taught us anything, it is that the best decisions are taken by national governments acting in their national interest. It is for this reason that I say Europe must leave the European Union. All of us who believe that the best decisions are taken by national governments which are directly accountable to their electorates need to make this crystal clear. With lives at stake, is it not our duty to do so?



Spoilered for people who don't want to read a single word written by this frog-faced Nazi cunt.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 28, 2021, 03:35:00 PM
So the EU is nasty, vindictive and nationalistic because a commissioner wanted the vaccine to be distributed equally between all countries of the EU? How vindictive and nationalistic of her![1]
 1. for no definition of 'nationalistic' ever.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on January 28, 2021, 03:56:12 PM
They were being "nationalist" against the nation(s?) of the United Kingdom[1].
 1. Great Britain?[1]
 1. England?[1]
 1. London?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on January 28, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
Delighted to find out Nigel doesn't like nationalism.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on January 28, 2021, 05:17:55 PM
You'd have to assume the cunt would find any place quite lonely.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 28, 2021, 06:44:01 PM
We all miss him.  Europe's just not the same without.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 29, 2021, 03:25:16 PM
I would rather have freedom of movement but this is something to cling to - despite it making virtually no difference to me:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/comment/unexpected-brexit-bonus-dazzling-clarity/

Edit - it seems to be behind a paywall but the upshot is the new MOT regs say aftermarket Led bulbs will now cause a fail. They did anyway but no-one was arsed to check. Still, The Telegraph are heralding it as a Brexit bonus. Something to do with standards marks. They also believe it could result in Britain becoming leaders in technology and common sense.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 29, 2021, 03:27:44 PM
Well that's one in the eye for freedom of choice and less red tape.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on January 29, 2021, 03:33:35 PM
I would rather have freedom of movement but this is something to cling to - despite it making virtually no difference to me:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/comment/unexpected-brexit-bonus-dazzling-clarity/

Edit - it seems to be behind a paywall but the upshot is the new MOT regs say aftermarket Led bulbs will now cause a fail. They did anyway but no-one was arsed to check. Still, The Telegraph are heralding it as a Brexit bonus. Something to do with standards marks. They also believe it could result in Britain becoming leaders in technology and common sense.

Cunts driving around with their headlights on full beam has got nothing to do with LED bulbs, has it? I certainly remember cunts doing this before LED bulbs were a thing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 29, 2021, 03:38:55 PM
No it absolutely does not.  It has to do with being an arsehole. This story is just a little hug for thick beige tutting cunts.  I hope Starmer runs them over in broad daylight.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on January 29, 2021, 04:00:31 PM
I would rather have freedom of movement but this is something to cling to - despite it making virtually no difference to me:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/comment/unexpected-brexit-bonus-dazzling-clarity/

Edit - it seems to be behind a paywall but the upshot is the new MOT regs say aftermarket Led bulbs will now cause a fail. They did anyway but no-one was arsed to check. Still, The Telegraph are heralding it as a Brexit bonus. Something to do with standards marks. They also believe it could result in Britain becoming leaders in technology and common sense.

I'd be happy if we just became moderately competent in not being stupid fucking cunts.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on January 29, 2021, 04:06:52 PM
Cunts driving around with their headlights on full beam has got nothing to do with LED bulbs, has it? I certainly remember cunts doing this before LED bulbs were a thing.

Oh yes there's always a way to be a cunt- the LED bulbs have just made it easier  - you don't even have to go to the effort of putting the lights on full beam - it can be the default setting for when you get in the car.



Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on January 31, 2021, 02:06:23 PM
Bizarrely, the last nail in the coffin of our[1] steel industry is only in the local Welsh news on the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-55845067

It turns out that we agreed export quotas for tariff-free trade in various steel products for the next 3 years[2] but no-one checked how much we were exporting already.

So it looks like we'll have to pay a 25% tariff on our steel exports when the quota is exceeded. This will happen for some products within the first quarter of this year.

And exporting to Northern Ireland counts towards the quotas.
 1. in the absolute broadest definition of 'our'
 2. presumably after that none of it is tariff-free
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on January 31, 2021, 02:18:32 PM
No one really cares, the top three slots taken up yesterday on BBC News' homepage, squealing about R BRAVE VACCINE and the wickedy-woo EU.  Save R optics is all.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on February 02, 2021, 12:41:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/01/northern-ireland-port-staff-removed-urgently-due-to-safety-concerns

Apparently border staff doing Brexit checks on goods in Belfast and Larne have been told to just stand down because they're being threatened by loyalists
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on February 02, 2021, 01:50:31 PM
That's surely an act of international terrorism. I'd expect the EU to have something to say about that.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Endicott on February 02, 2021, 03:15:35 PM
They do. Hopefully at some point soon they'll say more.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/2/irish-pm-condemns-sinister-intimidation-of-ni-port-staff

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The EU’s executive arm condemned the “threat of violence” while confirming the bloc’s staff in Northern Ireland had been told to stay away from work.

“We understand decisions taken by the NI authorities to temporarily suspend a certain number of checks for the transfer of goods, it is obvious for us the first and utmost priority is the safety of people,” said European Commission spokesman Eric Mamer, adding the EU would monitor the situation and adapt accordingly.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on February 02, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/01/northern-ireland-port-staff-removed-urgently-due-to-safety-concerns

Apparently border staff doing Brexit checks on goods in Belfast and Larne have been told to just stand down because they're being threatened by loyalists

Well they’re expecting a large delivery of flutes and drums and sashes
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 02, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: The BBC
EU shellfish import ban permanent, UK fishing industry told

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55903599
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 02, 2021, 05:51:55 PM
Fashion industry hit hard by Brexit. Over 50,000 small/medium enterprises struggling due to issues caused: https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1356314648748953600
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on February 02, 2021, 08:08:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/01/northern-ireland-port-staff-removed-urgently-due-to-safety-concerns

Apparently border staff doing Brexit checks on goods in Belfast and Larne have been told to just stand down because they're being threatened by loyalists
Fucking flegger cunts.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on February 10, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-55936918

Good for her employees and suppliers but a sticking plaster. And will Jack Stein buy everyone's stock?

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We will be fine if we pull together

Can't argue with that but isn't the British Blitz Spirit quite widely regarded as romanticised bullshit these days?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on February 10, 2021, 01:03:50 PM
Not a fucking word about this at PMQs from labour. Wouldn't want to be seen to be doing down are brexit.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on February 10, 2021, 01:08:17 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-55936918

Good for her employees and suppliers but a sticking plaster. And will Jack Stein buy everyone's stock?

Can't argue with that but isn't the British Blitz Spirit quite widely regarded as romanticised bullshit these days?

I wouldn't say widely regarded, no.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on February 10, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
I wouldn't say widely regarded, no.

Fair enough. I think I meant outside of people who don't arbitrarily put Help For Heroes stickers on the back of their car.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on February 10, 2021, 01:12:36 PM
Can't argue with that but isn't the British Blitz Spirit quite widely regarded as romanticised bullshit these days?

It's common for people going through a plight together to look out for one another, even strangers. That isn't romantic at all. There may still be many ignorant cunts around but haven't you noticed something like this since the onset of Covid?

The "blitz spirit" lasted way past the end of WWII; Thatcherism drove the last of it away with its "me first" message above all else. Made the world a less friendly place by far.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 10, 2021, 01:13:07 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-55936918

Good for her employees and suppliers but a sticking plaster. And will Jack Stein buy everyone's stock?

Can't argue with that but isn't the British Blitz Spirit quite widely regarded as romanticised bullshit these days?

Interesting to consider how Stein's can absorb an additional £50K outlay, just for one load and starting in a pandemic.  Will they cut other suppliers off the menu?  Anyway, most shellfish is cooked alive, as far as I'm concerned, that should be illegal and severely punished.  I hope all these cunts get botulism.  There, I've said it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on February 10, 2021, 01:19:07 PM
Interesting to consider how Stein's can absorb an additional £50K outlay, just for one load and starting in a pandemic.  Will they cut other suppliers off the menu?  Anyway, most shellfish is cooked alive, as far as I'm concerned, that should be illegal and severely punished.  I hope all these cunts get botulism.  There, I've said it.

I’m not sure whelks are capable of registering distress.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on February 10, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-55936918

Good for her employees and suppliers but a sticking plaster. And will Jack Stein buy everyone's stock?

Can't argue with that but isn't the British Blitz Spirit quite widely regarded as romanticised bullshit these days?

Brexit has always been about increasing the power of oligarchies, oligopolies and oligopsonies to decide who survives and who perishes.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 10, 2021, 01:25:44 PM
Cunts driving around with their headlights on full beam has got nothing to do with LED bulbs, has it? I certainly remember cunts doing this before LED bulbs were a thing.

If they're anything like hids, the factory fit enclosures have cutoff and automatic levelling of the light beams, and if you just shove them in a normal enclosure it dazzles people even when on dipped beam.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 10, 2021, 06:27:22 PM
Kate Hoey is very unhappy about how Brexit has affected Northern Ireland.

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Baroness Kate Hoey says the Northern Ireland Protocol "has to be looked at" as it is causing "huge delays" to deliveries travelling to Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on February 10, 2021, 06:35:41 PM
Can't argue with that but isn't the British Blitz Spirit quite widely regarded as romanticised bullshit these days?
Some people on here were a bit exercised when I pointed out that the Blitz was basically fine.

Not even 10x more deadly than British drivers at the time.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on February 10, 2021, 06:54:26 PM
Some people on here were a bit exercised when I pointed out that the Blitz was basically fine.

Not even 10x more deadly than British drivers at the time.

Caused infinitely more homelessness mind.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on February 10, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
I doubt that's true given how often BAOR accidentally demolished houses with their bad driving after the war.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: buzby on February 10, 2021, 08:59:52 PM
I would rather have freedom of movement but this is something to cling to - despite it making virtually no difference to me:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/comment/unexpected-brexit-bonus-dazzling-clarity/

Edit - it seems to be behind a paywall but the upshot is the new MOT regs say aftermarket Led bulbs will now cause a fail. They did anyway but no-one was arsed to check. Still, The Telegraph are heralding it as a Brexit bonus. Something to do with standards marks. They also believe it could result in Britain becoming leaders in technology and common sense.
The changes in the MOT regs are nothing to do with being in or out of the EU though - the TuV in Germany for instance have always been far more strict on the legality of aftermarket modifications, and as you say LED & HID  'upgrade' bulb replacement kits have always been illegal across Europe, because the headlamp reflector patterns were designed around halogen bulbs and so give the wrong beam pattern when these 'upgrade' kits are fitted. We were just never arsed about checking for them, unless you caught the MOT tester on a bad day.

the irony of this is that the only legal route for upgrading to LED for headlamps are sealed units that have been designed around LEDs, and the legal versions of these have to conform to EU regs, and be tested to qualify for an 'E' mark.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on February 11, 2021, 08:56:32 AM
It's common for people going through a plight together to look out for one another, even strangers. That isn't romantic at all. There may still be many ignorant cunts around but haven't you noticed something like this since the onset of Covid?

The "blitz spirit" lasted way past the end of WWII; Thatcherism drove the last of it away with its "me first" message above all else. Made the world a less friendly place by far.

I agree but I probably used "blitz spirit" as a shorthand for something that people invoke and exists only as long as that person is on an equal footing as all the others who are in the shit. As soon as they pull ahead or fall behind then it's a case of "gotta look out for yourself in this world".

By romanticised bullshit I just meant that it's the usual obsession with WWII that persists and (self-)mythologising around the British character (see also queuing) - I am sure I have seen figures around the increased number of rapes and looting during the blitz (citation needed, obvs). I don't think it's a peculiarly British thing to do - footage of terrible events across the world and people desperately helping others is testament to that.

But I really wanted to point out the fact that this woman (already mentioned up-thread) actively invited this situation by voting for Brexit and was vocal about it, and has been saved by fluke of being on the (BBC) News and having pity taken on her by a mega-wealthy restaurateur who could probably write this off as advertising cost in the long run.  Her comment that this will all be fine if we all pull together is just not attached to reality. It pisses me off that she probably now feels vindicated in her vote and has found a new supplier (and maybe even cut her transport costs). And I also imagine she is of the opinion that if they can do it then why is everyone else struggling (although that last bit is in my head and just based on having met a lot of people).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on February 11, 2021, 09:17:43 AM
I am sure I have seen figures around the increased number of rapes and looting during the blitz (citation needed, obvs)

I seem to remember someone here (sheepy?) saying their parents or grandparents house got bombed in the blitz and the fire fighters wouldn't let them back in because they were busy looting the place.

Edit: here it is from 2009, fuck me how can i remember that but not what i had but not where I put my glasses?: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,20380.msg1049321.html#msg1049321
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on February 11, 2021, 09:23:42 AM
Love the idea that Stein is some sort of selfless benefactor.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on February 11, 2021, 09:33:34 AM
What’s the difference between The Blitz and Brexit?

One is a massive anthropogenic catastrophe perpetrated by a right-wing authoritarian regime that killed thousands and made millions homeless but that benefitted a tiny elite of well-connected criminals and the other...
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: BlodwynPig on February 11, 2021, 10:01:23 AM
Kate Hoey is very unhappy about how Brexit has affected Northern Ireland.

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In July 2019, she was the only Labour MP to have voted against allowing abortion and same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 11, 2021, 10:03:03 AM
I hate that woman.  I used to live in the same building as her.  Spent time, many times, alone in the lift with her.  Should've dealt with her when I had the chance.  A lesson learned in bitter regret.  I shall not stay my hand again.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on February 11, 2021, 10:08:11 AM
It beggars belief that she was not chucked out of the party for her love of the far-right. Posing with Farage and addressing crowds with Generation Identity flags.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2021, 10:29:05 AM
I don't think it's a peculiarly British thing to do - footage of terrible events across the world and people desperately helping others is testament to that.

All that "blitz spirit" means is that the last time people remember it happening in Britain was WWII.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: TrenterPercenter on February 11, 2021, 01:46:33 PM
All that "blitz spirit" means is that the last time people remember it happening in Britain was WWII.

It's more than that; it's the retelling of history by the elites.  it is what they always do; all those paintings etc... they are all there to create narrative about what happen then and why what they say now should happen.  People want "something" to remember and use as a yardstick for their contemporary lives; it is comforting; it makes "sense, religion works the same way.  They are all narrative structures for the brain; without these mnemonic structures, and in the absence of understanding much about ones own psychology,  emotions can feel uncontrollable, leading to anxieties. in the main people avoid these mental states wherever they can.

McLuhan said we view the present through the rear-view mirror and march backwards into the future.  This is true although McLuhan did not understand the bio-psychological nature of memory in the way we do now at the time.  So controlling how what is perceived in the past is of course a great way of shaping and present behaviour; the biggest predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour but it doesn't really matter whether that past behaviour actually ever occurred or not.

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Whatever.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: TrenterPercenter on February 11, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
Whatever.

You are so cool; just imagining you at the back of the class with your leather coat and shades right now.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2021, 02:36:43 PM
I was the last time people remember it collectively happening. The subsequent propaganda doesn't make it otherwise.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bernice on February 11, 2021, 02:48:40 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Klee%2C_paul%2C_angelus_novus%2C_1920.jpg)

His face is turned toward the past. Where we perceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe which keeps piling wreckage upon wreckage and hurls it in front of his feet. The angel would like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such violence that the angel can no longer close them. The storm irresistibly propels him into the future to which his back his turned, while the pile of debris before him grows skyward. The storm is what we call progress.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 14, 2021, 11:55:06 AM
The latest government distraction is Johnson bringing up a "Boris Burrow", having presumably decided not to go down the railway line he was previously talking about.

 
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An undersea tunnel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland could get the green light as early next month and help unblock trade which has been hit by Brexit tensions

Another Alexander Johnson project which will not happen but will mean millions of pounds of public money being given to consultants and cronies.

Bung a Bob for Boris's Burrow.

Remember when the Garden Bridge costs £43m of public money: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-47228698

It's fine when it's the Tories wasting public money though.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 14, 2021, 03:45:17 PM
We should be taking a "ten year view" on Brexit, everyone:

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Asked about the structural issues facing exporters to the EU, which have already forced some businesses to close just weeks into 2021, Dominic Raab reassures them that "if you take a ten-year view" growth will be elsewhere

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1360893050789183488

Imagine if that was what had been on the side of the bus during the referendum.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 14, 2021, 03:51:30 PM
I know where the growth's gonna be sir, I know where it's gonna be.  Not in the UK, if it even exists.  There, I've said it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 14, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
well if you take a twenty year view civilisation as we know it will have collapsed because of climate change and all the billionaires will have fucked off to Mars with plenty of plebs they conned into coming with them. "oh you can work off your ticket once we get to Mars" they'll say.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 14, 2021, 06:08:36 PM
"A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies. Working for Deliveroo on a zero-hour contract, with a second-hand spacesuit and a leaky shuttlecraft. And no Earth laws apply on Mars, so we can do what we like to you."

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 14, 2021, 06:42:20 PM
When you put it like that, it almost makes getting a ticket and contracting Ebola something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on February 14, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
The latest government distraction is Johnson bringing up a "Boris Burrow", having presumably decided not to go down the railway line he was previously talking about.

 
Another Alexander Johnson project which will not happen but will mean millions of pounds of public money being given to consultants and cronies.

Bung a Bob for Boris's Burrow.

Remember when the Garden Bridge costs £43m of public money: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-47228698

It's fine when it's the Tories wasting public money though.

Where was the original quote from. Don't see how a tunnel would unblock trade arisen from Brexit issues as the checks required to maintain an open island border would still be required and lead to checks between trade across the Irish Sea under current circumstances.

Of course this unlikely Burrow would also probably be completed when one or both of Northern Ireland and Scotland are conceivably independent of the UK.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 14, 2021, 08:01:30 PM
Original quote was from the Telegraph who tweeted a link to their story, most of it behind a paywall.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 18, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
From the Independent

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Talks to rebuild security cooperation with the EU must restart now after the Brexit deal left the UK “less safe and less secure”, a Conservative group says.

Boris Johnson is accused of “not being ambitious enough” after the agreement shut down access to vital criminal databases, including records of stolen identities and wanted people.

Ejection from the European Arrest Warrant system means “some criminals will not be extradited”, while leaving Europol means the UK will lose crucial influence, a report says.

Significantly, it has been carried out for the Conservative European Forum (CEF) – led by Tory heavyweights David Lidington and Dominic Grieve – and written by a former head of the Bar Council...

Lord Sandhurst added: “I do not wish to see the UK less safe or less secure as result of our changed relationship with the EU.

“This is not a debate about sovereignty, trade or tariffs. It’s about security and, as a Conservative, I believe that the security of the UK and its citizens must always come first.”

However, No 10 has shown no enthusiasm to return to the negotiating table since Mr Johnson signed what he called his “fantastic” deal.

A new “partnership council” with the EU has yet to be set up, and the government has insisted the agreement cannot be reopened.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on February 18, 2021, 10:28:47 PM
Also from the Independent: that'll show them metropolitan elites:

Quote from: https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/business/brexit-bankers-bonuses-uncapped-eu-b1804345.html
It is difficult to think of a policy more antithetical to the “levelling up” agenda than uncapped bonuses for bankers.

Yet, at a time of immense financial hardship for millions of people, rising unemployment, a looming evictions crisis and soaring food bank use, the Treasury is reportedly considering just such a rescue package for London’s financial elite.

According to Financial Times columnist Robert Shrimsley, the government is looking into the merits of scrapping the bonus cap, brought in under an EU directive in 2015, which limits discretionary pay to two times a person’s basic salary.

It’s one of a number of rule changes said to be under consideration to hit back at the EU for it’s increasingly robust attempts to wrest financial services business from the City of London.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 19, 2021, 12:51:38 AM
did these stupid bastards not think about of course they didn't
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on February 19, 2021, 07:28:05 AM
They weren't told these things Poirots. They weren't told any of this at the time. Haven't you heard?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 19, 2021, 10:36:24 AM
Funny how bankers don't get fobbed off with a weekly clap.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on February 26, 2021, 10:22:02 AM
I'm enjoying this thread goign through all the new foods BREXIT will provide, such as "British Fancy Peas", "Brussel British Sprouts", "British Haggis" and finally, "Ice Cubes - but with British Water"

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1364917215649280001
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on February 26, 2021, 10:47:57 AM
"British Fancy Peas"

"Fancy" in what sense?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on February 26, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
They're small.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 26, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
And nice and round tonight, dear.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on February 26, 2021, 01:58:15 PM
WE SHOULD ONLY HAVE BIG BRITISH MARROWFATS THAT MAKE YOU DO PROUD BIG BRITISH GUFFS
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 26, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
Soon we'll see supermarkets divided into two sections: "Best of British" with the floor tiles in red, white and blue and "Foreign Muck" with angry Nigel Farage faces. People will return to the limitations of 1950s British cooking and Jacob-Rees Mogg will make unfunny jokes about it in the House of Commons.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on February 26, 2021, 02:13:12 PM
Fancy peas? Well fancy that!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 26, 2021, 02:18:04 PM
Ooh, hark at him and his fancy peas!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on February 26, 2021, 02:19:25 PM
I don't know if it's a coincidence but since the old national seppuku, I've noticed that the two big shops I'm able to visit occasionally have both removed their British food shelflets. 

All those tens of jars of Roses Lime Marmelade and traditional cellophane bags of stale oat biscuits, swept away into the plastic oubliette of time and stupidity.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on February 26, 2021, 02:20:16 PM
I like marrowfat peas fuck you all.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Captain Z on February 26, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
Let's leave the pea be.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: idunnosomename on February 26, 2021, 03:23:27 PM
MUSHY PEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on February 26, 2021, 09:28:09 PM
Northern Ireland Agricultural Minister Gordon Lyons orders officials to stop work on new permanent border control posts, required as part of the Brexit Deal. Lyons is  a minister in the Brexit-backing DUP.

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Mr Lyons said he was responding to "practical difficulties" caused by the Northern Ireland Protocol.

He said there was too much uncertainty around the end of the protocol grace periods.

"It's a real nightmare for us and it's going to be causing us an awful lot of problems."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56217647
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 01, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
"Three firms are still doing ok after Brexit". More propaganda sponsored by the UK Government: https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1366328903401357321

How much public money are they spending on this kind of guff?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on March 01, 2021, 04:35:06 PM
"Three firms are still doing ok after Brexit". More propaganda sponsored by the UK Government: https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1366328903401357321

How much public money are they spending on this kind of guff?

Love the phrase "forging a new relationship with the EU" as if it's in any way positive, when it's more like how a divorced man has to "forge a new relationship" with his ex after she's changed the locks.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: sirhenry on March 01, 2021, 04:39:42 PM
"Three firms are still doing ok after Brexit". More propaganda sponsored by the UK Government: https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1366328903401357321

How much public money are they spending on this kind of guff?
Hopefully not a lot as the story is only in the Mail[1].
 1. according to Google
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on March 01, 2021, 05:25:21 PM
It's on the website of my local rag, although that it as bad, if not worse, than the Mail.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on March 01, 2021, 06:16:11 PM
There's one in the Metro, too.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on March 04, 2021, 12:17:22 PM
So we're breaking the law again and Loyalist psychos have decided to reject the GFA

imagine if we had an opposition and a proper media.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 04, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Boris Johnson began his response to being asked about the announcement that loyalist paramilitaries are withdrawing support of the Good Friday agreement because of their opposition to the border arrangements by saying "I haven’t seen which groups you’re talking about."

Of course he hasn't.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on March 04, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
So we're breaking the law again and Loyalist psychos have decided to reject the GFA

imagine if we had an opposition and a proper media.

Brexit wouldn't have happened.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on March 22, 2021, 08:26:44 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/mar/22/bike-poland-brexit-customs-duty-vat

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Buying a £5,000 bike from Poland has become a Brexit nightmare

Unimaginable suffering here
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: BlodwynPig on March 22, 2021, 08:41:33 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/mar/22/bike-poland-brexit-customs-duty-vat

Unimaginable suffering here

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racing bicycle

fake letter. It's like Dear Deidre for the middle-classes.

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In hindsight, it was perhaps a little rash spending £5,000 on a bike three days before the Brexit deadline.

Foresight, you mean.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Leo2112 on March 27, 2021, 10:42:01 PM
Quote
The Spanish dream is over as Brits leave Spain to avoid being deported as illegal immigrants

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain: Brits this weekend across Spain, leave the country for at least 180 days as they don’t wish to be Spanish residents or have been declined for residency.

What started out to be a dream life in the sun, has turned into a nightmare for thousands of Brits who didn’t wish to be legally registered as a resident in Spain.

By not being legally registered, Brits until now, have gone under the radar when it came to paying Spanish taxes and other contributions, but Brexit has changed that, now they have to be out of Spain by March 31 when they will be deemed as illegal immigrants and deported anyway as their 90-day legal stay ends.

Spain’s police force and authorities are expecting to deport 500 UK citizens within the first week, with targets already earmarked to be picked up and deported home, knowingly to the authorities not having the correct paperwork to remain.

Although a small exodus of Brits has started this week as they head back to Britain to beat the deadline.

One of those, Anthony Cook, tells of a great 7 years in Spain, but now he’s on his way home, he told Global247news: “The Spanish dream is over for me, it’s time to go back to Cardiff, it’s been a blast but the new regulations have made it impossible to stay, I don’t have enough credentials to become a resident, it was so easy before, get your funds in from the UK, do a bit of cash in hand around the likes of Benidorm and bob was your uncle, but that’s all changed now – hey, don’t be fooled thousands of Brits in some guise or other have been doing the same thing, especially in the entertainment industry!

” Anyway, it’s time to head home, the freedom of movement has gone, and I don’t want to end up getting deported and fined,” he said.

Cook though says he knows of any who are going to try and ‘wing it’ and stay, he said ” I know of loads who are going to stay thinking they won’t get caught, I think they will but they have said to me how are they going to check everybody but quite truthfully I don’t want to be looking over my shoulder, if they get away with I will look at it again and come back in 6 months

“I’m not taking the risk – I will study and watch, see if they get deported” Cook finished.

Another returning at Malaga airport today was Shaun Cromber who despite voting for Britain to leave the EU, didn’t believe it would end his Spanish lifestyle, he said: ” Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.

“I’ve loved living on the Costa del Sol and after 5 years can’t believe it has come to this, we applied but got rejected and so have no choice, although long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain

The deadline now is only 4 days away and it’s certainly going to be interesting to see what happens when the British become illegal immigrants in Spain.

lol

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on March 27, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
Hope those cunts get depressed as fuck living in the shit country they helped make extra shit.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on March 27, 2021, 10:45:38 PM
what are we going to do with these leathery dossers? some sort of encampment on deal beach perhaps
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on March 28, 2021, 10:07:35 AM
lol

Seen this around a bit now, it's appeared on Reddit and Whatsapp and this (https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/) seems to be the original source.  The whole article looks like it's made up. That's not to say that this Brexit isn't going to badly affect a lot of Costa Brits but does anyone speak the way they do in those quotes and is Cromber even a real surname?
Title: The Tail of Sancho Panza
Post by: Buelligan on March 28, 2021, 10:24:37 AM
Shaun Cromber is an anagram of a burro (donkey in Spanish) mensch, so I'm guessing the whole thing's real.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on March 28, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
what are we going to do with these leathery dossers? some sort of encampment on deal beach perhaps

House them in some decrepit army barracks. Anything more would be deeply offensive to the taxpayers of this country.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on March 28, 2021, 11:33:04 AM
They voted for Brexit, they can fucking well suck it up.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 01, 2021, 06:05:48 PM
Brexit has fucked business:

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According to the UK's Office for National Statistics, trade between the EU and the UK was hit hard in January, with exports down by 40.7% compared with December and imports from the EU down by 28% in the same period...

This is the biggest overall fall in exports since records began, yet the decline for some sectors has been even worse.

Analysis by the Food & Drink Federation published last week showed that exports in January dropped to £7 million — or about $9.6 million — from £45 million year-on-year, while whisky exports dropped to £40 million from £105 million.

This is a colossal decline. For some sectors, including parts of the UK's world-renowned shellfish fishing industry, the decline could be permanent because of the EU's effectively locking Britain out of its market altogether...

Sales of many lower-value items have, in many cases, simply become unviable. Simon Spurrell, a cofounder of the Cheshire Cheese Company, stopped exporting his packs of cheeses, which were priced at about £30 each, to the EU because each parcel needed to be accompanied by a £180 health certificate, he told The Guardian...

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-is-a-disaster-britain-trade-european-union-boris-johnson-2021-3?r=US&IR=T
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on April 01, 2021, 06:24:19 PM
I'm not going to link to it but the spin that Express is putting on the stories of Brits leaving Spain because of brexit is gobsmacking

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Despite the invaluable contribution the UK’s estimated 360,000 expats make to the country’s economy, Spain has been accused of exploiting Brexit red tape and sending people packing.

There is no 'Brexit red tape', what would that even be? We're just treated as any other non EU citizens now. It's what they wanted

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Instead of waiving the rules and making life easier for the country’s UK expat community - which is said to contribute more than £15bn to its economy - Spain has stuck steadfastly to Brussels’ bureaucracy.

By 'waive the rules' they must mean that Spanish laws just shouldn't apply to British people for some reason.  And this has nothing to do with Brussels and bureaucracy of course, it's just Spanish law.

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This number could fall significantly as Spain wields the extra powers that Brexit has handed it to make the lives of Brit expats more difficult.

This is the best one, somehow Brexit has given Spain extra powers.  Insane.

I should add that all these people that are apparently having difficulties have been breaking the law all along, anyone staying in Spain for more than three months should register for residency, but it's kind of unenforceable for EU citizens so they could get away with it before I think.  Now you get a stamp in your passport when you enter so it's very easy to see how long you've been in the country.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 01, 2021, 06:29:09 PM
Just go to your newsagents, take the rags off the shelves and burn them in the street. You wouldn't put up with some twerp hassling you in a pub with the same arguments, why should you put up with it in your newsagents?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on April 07, 2021, 05:29:57 PM
‘Nobody told us Brexit would be shit for us too’ whines Joe from Nottingham.  Yes they did Joe, you fucking selfish twat

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"Brexit itself, when it was first started, was going to be brilliant because I honestly believe that Britain should stay Britain and we run by ourselves," says Joe. But he had no idea of how Brexit was to impact his dream of retiring abroad.

"Nobody explained or probably thought about people like ourselves. There was nobody looking after it or telling us, they forgot about the people abroad."

If he could vote again in the Brexit referendum, Joe says he'd vote differently knowing how things turned out.

"There's no way I would vote to go for it, because it's harming me and my future

 https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2021-04-05/How-Brexit-is-crushing-UK-pensioners-dreams-of-retiring-abroad-Zc0spBTQNq/index.html (https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2021-04-05/How-Brexit-is-crushing-UK-pensioners-dreams-of-retiring-abroad-Zc0spBTQNq/index.html)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on April 07, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
Yeah sorry Joe but get fucked you selfish thick twunt.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on April 07, 2021, 05:45:37 PM
Same. My work year was absolutely fucked and my current career is in doubt because of these shitshow-ushering bell-ends.

I am sorry your dreams have been crushed Joe but I would very much like to crush you.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on April 07, 2021, 05:56:32 PM
I would love to be as much of a stupid prick as Joe.

It sounds amazing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on April 07, 2021, 06:12:07 PM
Yeah, not feeling sorry for people like this. You voted for it, Joe. Suck it up.

What did the Mail expect? We’re not part of the EU so why would we have the same rights EU citizens do?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 07, 2021, 06:14:15 PM
I wonder what papers Joe read.in 2016, and whether he still reads them. If he does still read them will he reconsider how much he trusts them? Probably a Tory as well
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on April 07, 2021, 06:58:45 PM
This stuff actually makes me laugh now.  There's no point in being angry, doesn't change anything, idiotic fucking twats. 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on April 07, 2021, 07:04:49 PM
Yes - these are now feel good stories for me.

Very pleased Joe has fucked himself. Shame he is looking to blame others but then I can't have everything.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on April 07, 2021, 07:09:44 PM
Heheh.  I now have a date for going to the prefecture and having my photograph and fingerprints taken, first step on my road to getting a paper to say I can continue living in my own home for the next ten years.  Thanks Joe, you dull cunt.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on April 07, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
Absolutely delighted Joe has ruined his own life
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on April 07, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Heheh.  I now have a date for going to the prefecture and having my photograph and fingerprints taken,

Crimes have consequences.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 07, 2021, 07:56:33 PM
Absolutely delighted Joe has ruined his own life
Sad thing is he's probably fine.  He just won't get to retire to an EU member state.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on April 07, 2021, 08:03:06 PM
I mean whatever happens he’ll still be Joe, but apart from that yeah.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Better Midlands on April 07, 2021, 09:59:59 PM
(https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2021-04-05/How-Brexit-is-crushing-UK-pensioners-dreams-of-retiring-abroad-Zc0spBTQNq/img/e90d7647dd1b4a45ba52d2b2ad6fd160/e90d7647dd1b4a45ba52d2b2ad6fd160.jpeg)

Fresh cuppa and a few rich tea biccies, Angling Times for Joe and a Danielle Steel for the missus.

Daft cunt.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: phes on April 07, 2021, 10:04:03 PM
Fuck me, it's the same person. It's like Alan and his wife off The Vale
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on April 07, 2021, 10:23:09 PM
Brexit Joe,
Stubbed his toe,
Became belligerent,

Brexit Joe,
Stubbed his toe,
Blamed the immigrant,

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 07, 2021, 11:02:32 PM
Northern Ireland setting itself on fire is great isn't it lads
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 07, 2021, 11:04:39 PM
also love these stupid fuckers all surprised Pikachu face because Brexit is fucking up their ability to stay in Spain half the year. They honestly think Britain is so fucking special that the rest of us have to bend over and grab our ankles while they sweep us out the door.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on April 07, 2021, 11:25:28 PM
Northern Ireland setting itself on fire is great isn't it lads

Seriously what is all that about? Like clashes with police and shit and its barely news.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on April 07, 2021, 11:31:44 PM
The footage of the bus being firebombed is quite something. Mad that the only way to find out about it is on Twitter.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on April 07, 2021, 11:46:32 PM
It's on the front page of BBC News.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on April 07, 2021, 11:49:30 PM
You are right but:
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Belfast: Boris Johnson 'deeply concerned' after police attacked

Published8 minutes ago

I must have missed anything before that.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Key on April 08, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
Retiring abroad!!!!!!
Not much of a patriot is he?
What's wrong with Eastbourne Joe?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on April 08, 2021, 09:15:00 AM
Are the police using the edges of their riot shields to smsh faces in Northern Ireland or do they save that for people who want democracy?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on April 08, 2021, 09:18:02 AM
So what was the positive stuff we got from Brexit then?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on April 08, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
So what was the positive stuff we got from Brexit then?

Faster vaccine rollout.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on April 08, 2021, 09:30:04 AM
Faster vaccine rollout.

Not true according to the BBC (yeah, I know): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55163730

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Under European law a vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but individual countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine for temporary use in their domestic market.
Britain is still subject to those EU rules during the post-Brexit transition period which runs until the end of the year.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on April 08, 2021, 09:34:25 AM
Retiring abroad!!!!!!
Not much of a patriot is he?
What's wrong with Eastbourne Joe?

Eastbourne? He's a Nottingham lad. He should be spending his twighlight years in Skeggy.

Why is it that every fucking time there's a thick, selfish shitbag whining into the ether about shit they caused by voting for right-wing cunts there's an East Midlands accent attached? Seriously, I live in the East Midlands - I was born here and for some reason I came back - and my advice to you is to slice us out, set us adrift and stitch the rest of the country together.

Nowhere else in the world is it more likely that you'll find thick cunts who vote against their own interests. You cannot fix the Midlands.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: DrGreggles on April 08, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
So what was the positive stuff we got from Brexit then?

Well, it's upset Joe from Nottingham.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Jittlebags on April 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
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Eastbourne? He's a Nottingham lad. He should be spending his twighlight years in Skeggy.

On a mobility scooter.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on April 08, 2021, 12:28:11 PM
Northern Ireland setting itself on fire is great isn't it lads
It's almost like loads of people tried to warn Brexiters that Brexit could potentially be very dangerous for NI.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Norton Canes on April 14, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
From the BBC: James Dyson says Brexit has given him 'freedom' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000) Specious cunt comes up with a string of things he could have done perfectly well without Brexit, like employing people from around the world and making our own vaccine. Hardly worth the effort linking to this shit. Disgusted at myself, actually.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on April 14, 2021, 10:36:34 AM
Just read the same and agonised over whether or not to post it. Really is a mind bending article in how he is spinning it as a positive for Britain especially as he explicitly says he has left his British suppliers behind (their choice). I also can't work out if the article is calling him a prick or not.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on April 14, 2021, 10:56:06 AM
For the avoidance of doubt - he's a fucking prick.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 14, 2021, 11:39:36 AM
Not kept up. Has Brexit been a roaring success and I have to eat my deerstalker?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on April 14, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Not kept up. Has Brexit been a roaring success and I have to eat my deerstalker?

Let me just check that for you....
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on April 14, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Not kept up. Has Brexit been a roaring success and I have to eat my deerstalker?

No.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on April 14, 2021, 12:42:38 PM
From the BBC: James Dyson says Brexit has given him 'freedom' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000) Specious cunt comes up with a string of things he could have done perfectly well without Brexit, like employing people from around the world and making our own vaccine. Hardly worth the effort linking to this shit. Disgusted at myself, actually.

Dyson (the company not the disingenuous twat that started it) is a massive business that can weather all sorts of storms and absorb the costs of changes without too much trouble, small businesses on the other hand will struggle a great deal more.  It is all their own fault though, if they can't handle it it's down to their own "poor management" for not reaping the rewards that brexit has given them.

https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1382260254927417345?s=20
 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on April 14, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
Yes - those losers who don't have sums like 2bn to invest in parts of their business only have themselves to blame for choosing not to follow him to Singapore. They too could have reaped the benefit of Brexit by not staying in Britain.

I wonder what % of the 60 nationalities is made up of the 27 EU nations who could have been employed with zero cost prior to Brexit.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 20, 2021, 12:51:52 PM
BBC Ireland is showing a documentary tonight to mark the 100th anniversary of Northern Ireland following the 1920 Government of Ireland Act.

According to the Guardian:

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Tonight BBC Northern Ireland is showing a Spotlight documentary to mark the centenary and it features an interview with Boris Johnson. In it, he made two contentious claims.

Johnson described some of the aspects of the Northern Ireland protocol, which governs post-Brexit trading arrangements between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as “absurd”. And he restated his threat to invoke article 16 - which would allow parts of the protocol to be suspended - if the EU did not agree to make changes. He said:
If we can’t make enough progress and if it looks as though the EU is going to be very, very dogmatic about it and we continue to have absurd situations so you can’t bring in rose bushes with British soil into Northern Ireland, you can’t bring British sausages into Northern Ireland, then frankly I’m going to, we’ll have to take further steps.

What we’re doing is removing what I think of as the unnecessary protuberances and barriers that have grown up and we’re getting the barnacles off the thing and sandpapering it into shape.

This is the same Northern Ireland protocol which Johnson negotiated and ratified. Once again trying to have his cake and eat it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on April 20, 2021, 01:39:27 PM
This is the same Northern Ireland protocol which Johnson negotiated and ratified. Once again trying to have his cake and eat it.

If our so-called Parliament couldn't identify these problems when they were scrutinising the Brexit deal, they should all just fucking resign.  They had FIVE HOURS to figure this stuff out.  What were they doing, wasting their entire time talking about fish?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on April 20, 2021, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from:  Boris Johnson
What we’re doing is removing what I think of as the unnecessary protuberances and barriers that have grown up and we’re getting the barnacles off the thing and sandpapering it into shape.

The albino plum doesn't even hear himself talk anymore, does he. Suppose he doesn't have to.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: NoSleep on April 20, 2021, 07:14:04 PM
And there was all of us believing it was a simple as bulldozing through a wall of polystyrene blocks.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on April 21, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
Treating our valued trade partners with respect (also: the dude is a certified loon, he deserves it)
(https://i.imgur.com/FycEJgp.jpg)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 21, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
That's Tim Tams fucked then.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 21, 2021, 04:31:12 PM
"pork markets"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 03, 2021, 09:52:56 PM
Via r/BrexitAteMyFace:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56932551

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The UK and Norway have failed to reach a fishing deal for this year, with the industry warning that hundreds of crew members will be left out of work.

It means UK fleets will have no access to Norway's sub-Arctic waters, known for their cod catches.

[...]With the UK no longer part of the European Common Fisheries Policy, it now deals directly with Norway - which is not an EU member state - on fishing matters.

The two countries agreed last year to a post-Brexit system of co-operation, including annual negotiations on quotas and access to each other's waters.

But a deal for 2021 proved impossible, despite weeks of talks.

UK Fisheries chief executive Jane Sandell complained that the UK government had failed "even to maintain the rights we have had to fish in Norwegian waters for decades".

She added: "In consequence, there will be no British-caught Arctic cod sold through chippies for our national dish.

"It will all be imported from the Norwegians, who will continue to sell their fish products to the UK tariff-free, while we are excluded from these waters. Quite simply, this is a disgrace and a national embarrassment."

I'm laughing my fucking hole off
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on May 05, 2021, 07:20:26 AM
Fishing and the like will have to be propped up with big subsidies as this goes on I would imagine (unless the pretence is dropped completely and we just go complete Singapore almost overnight). Does anyone know where to start looking for datasets around that sort of thing - be interesting to start pulling some visualisations together. Can also stick them on my cv for looking for jobs (outside the UK).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 05, 2021, 09:44:08 AM
Fishing and the like will have to be propped up with big subsidies as this goes on I would imagine (unless the pretence is dropped completely and we just go complete Singapore almost overnight). Does anyone know where to start looking for datasets around that sort of thing - be interesting to start pulling some visualisations together. Can also stick them on my cv for looking for jobs (outside the UK).

If there were going to be subsidies, we'd have them by now.

Much easier and cheaper to let the domestic industry go to the wall and blame the EU. We don't eat our own fish so Joe Public won't give a shit as long as there's still haddock and cod on the menu.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 05, 2021, 05:44:54 PM
The Guardian is reporting that the French are planning to blockade the Channel Islands (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/jersey-french-threat-cut-electricity-post-brexit-licences-boats) and cut off all their electricity. Except this is actually just what some French fisherman said they should do at a protest about fish. It would serve the Channel Islands right for capitulating to Hitler and cancelling Bergerac, though.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on May 05, 2021, 07:11:47 PM
The Guardian is reporting that the French are planning to blockade the Channel Islands (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/jersey-french-threat-cut-electricity-post-brexit-licences-boats) and cut off all their electricity. Except this is actually just what some French fisherman said they should do at a protest about fish. It would serve the Channel Islands right for capitulating to Hitler and cancelling Bergerac, though.

Luckily for the islanders, they’ll be able to get by just fine thanks to the tremendous protein value of the local produce.

https://youtu.be/rS7H_DBbXfg
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Norton Canes on May 05, 2021, 10:21:05 PM
And off go Are Brave Bhouys (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57003069). Fucks sake. War with the French. Johnson's wet dream come true.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on May 05, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
Your move Starmer.

Or should I say L'Etoile-mer?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 18, 2021, 01:59:04 PM
Next episode in "Brexit not working out as well as the Leavers promised"

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UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper.

The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar pacts with other countries.

But UK farming unions have warned of "irreversible damage" from a bad deal.

There is speculation the Cabinet is split over the move, and Labour has accused the government of a "sell-out"...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57157094
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 20, 2021, 11:48:11 AM
Next episode in "Brexit not working out as well as the Leavers promised"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57157094
Nobody in Britain makes any money from sheep farming. It would make more sense to buy our sheep from Australia and fill our own hills with wolves and funiculars.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: robhug on May 20, 2021, 12:20:45 PM
judging by a strong majority all the farms near me putting up ukip banners and other paraphernalia during 2016 its marvellous that it looks like they'll be amongst the first to get fucked over.

gut wrenching for the others tho
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on May 20, 2021, 12:52:39 PM
Went to school with someone who I recently found out inherited his dad's farm and has turned out to be a colossally right-wing and vocal Brexiteer.

Going by his Facebook, this is all the EU's fault. They really are rotters for letting us do that Brexit they told us not to do, aren't they.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on May 20, 2021, 01:00:35 PM
Went to school with someone who I recently found out inherited his dad's farm and has turned out to be a colossally right-wing and vocal Brexiteer.

Do vocal right-wing cunts ever actually learn from the consequences of their actions I wonder?  Is it possible that, when these people's livelihoods, opportunities and dreams come tumbling down as a direct result of their support for the likes of Brexit and the Tories, they'll change their worldview and vote differently next time?  Or will they just blame someone else and carry on voting for Boris Johnson?

In other Brexit news:

UK travellers to France and Spain may need proof of accommodation
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/20/uk-travellers-to-france-may-be-asked-proof-of-accommodation-as-part-of-post-brexit-changes

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In Spain, residents hosting non-EU friends or family are expected to apply to the national police, with similar supporting documentation, for a carta de invitación (letter of invitation) costing €74.

So I have to pay 74€ so that somebody can come and visit me?  Yeah, good one.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on May 20, 2021, 02:06:48 PM
Do vocal right-wing cunts ever actually learn from the consequences of their actions I wonder?
No.

I take no pleasure in farmers getting screwed over by Brexit tbh. Nor do I understand the logic of us being involved in this trans-Pacific deal thingy when we're in Europe.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bakabaka on May 20, 2021, 05:19:23 PM
No.

I take no pleasure in farmers getting screwed over by Brexit tbh. Nor do I understand the logic of us being involved in this trans-Pacific deal thingy when we're in Europe.
If Israel can be in the Eurovision Song Contest we can be in the Pacific. Though we'll leave the trans bit off for the next 40 years so as not to upset The Mail.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Pranet on May 20, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
They might want to end British farming as that will free up lots of cheap land their developer mates can build crappy housing on. I have no evidence for this I am just speculating. Farmers may well be by and large be tories but there can't be that many of them so possibly not that important as a voting block, and as others have pointed out most of them would still vote tory if the government sent round armed goons to forcibly evict them anyway.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 20, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
They might want to end British farming as that will free up lots of cheap land their developer mates can build crappy housing on. I have no evidence for this I am just speculating. Farmers may well be by and large be tories but there can't be that many of them so possibly not that important as a voting block, and as others have pointed out most of them would still vote tory if the government sent round armed goons to forcibly evict them anyway.
It's a combination of housebuilding, megafarms, open-cast mining/quarrying/fracking, biofuels, leisure, and probably a few other uses. Regular-scale farming in western Europe has long been uneconomic, hence the Common Agricultural Policy. There have been attempts to move to high-end luxury farming (expensive organic crops, premium beef, soft fruit, etc), but there's only so much of a market for that. Large-scale meat and dairy farms like in the US and Denmark are economically viable, but also vile and very unpopular with people nearby who have to put up with horrendous stink, pollution, traffic, etc. So the Tories want some combination of megafarms, luxury asparagus, development, and wasteland.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Pranet on May 20, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
God this country is going to be such a fucking dystopian shit hole by the time they are done.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on May 20, 2021, 06:18:06 PM
Went to school with someone who I recently found out inherited his dad's farm and has turned out to be a colossally right-wing and vocal Brexiteer.

Going by his Facebook, this is all the EU's fault. They really are rotters for letting us do that Brexit they told us not to do, aren't they.

A guy in his 50s in my work is also fucking idiot and posted on Facebook that we should all buy each other an allotment for Christmas that way we can all grow our food and we don't need to import any in. What a fucking genius this guy is. He also nose breathes down his headset during team calls when other people are talking and has been asked to go on mute yet still forgets a fucking year on. 

You can tell when he's had a drink cos he starts posting emotional shit about the Queen and Rangers FC.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Twit 2 on May 20, 2021, 06:30:15 PM
God this country is going to be such a fucking dystopian shit hole by the time they are done.

It already is pretty God-awful. But yes, it’ll certainly get even worse. I’ve been watching this country fall apart, working in the public sector, on “the front line” and it’s fucking haunted me.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on May 20, 2021, 06:33:45 PM
I just wish there was a way we could just segregate society. Keep the horrid, thick as mince nasty cunts in half the country, and the decent folk in the other.

There are so many good folk being made to lie in this shitty bed that they have made. This applies globally too I suppose.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bakabaka on May 20, 2021, 06:48:10 PM
I just wish there was a way we could just segregate society. Keep the horrid, thick as mince nasty cunts in half the country, and the decent folk in the other.

There are so many good folk being made to lie in this shitty bed that they have made. This applies globally too I suppose.
It's called the North-South divide.

Nationally and globally.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 20, 2021, 08:49:36 PM
I just wish there was a way we could just segregate society. Keep the horrid, thick as mince nasty cunts in half the country, and the decent folk in the other.
We have to start building guillotines. Drag the politicians and media moguls and millionaires out of their holes and put them to the blade. The blade thirsts for blood.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 20, 2021, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on Today at 06:33:45 PM
I just wish there was a way we could just segregate society. Keep the horrid, thick as mince nasty cunts in half the country, and the decent folk in the other.

There are so many good folk being made to lie in this shitty bed that they have made. This applies globally too I suppose.

It's called the North-South divide.

Nationally and globally.

Beat me to it! Old Hadrian was pretty damn close (despite his name sounding like a cockney oik trying to pronounce Adrian in a posh way).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on May 20, 2021, 10:10:52 PM
We have to start building guillotines. Drag the politicians and media moguls and millionaires out of their holes and put them to the blade. The blade thirsts for blood.
Good luck with that. The way things are going, a far right coup is more likely.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 20, 2021, 10:18:44 PM
Silly Kankurette, no need for a far right coup when the moderate right can just pander to them once they're in power. Which is always.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on May 21, 2021, 09:47:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/21/uk-like-an-enemy-state-to-eu-nationals-detained-by-border-force

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“The whole point of free movement was to remove friction at the border. To deliberately reintroduce it was bound to have consequences.

“How Border Force is going to cope with this is hard to see. It is a huge job reimposing full controls between Britain and the EU,”

All worth it for those Brexit benefits I guess. Weird, I can’t seem to find a list of them now

I’m getting quite nervous about the prospect of travelling to and from the UK. Border staff there and in the EU clearly have no idea about the rules and procedures, and in situations like that their safest and easiest option is always to refuse entry.

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on May 21, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
I've also thought about travelling into Europe once it's safe to do so, and I can't foresee any way it won't be absolutely restrictive and tedious shit.

This is why I have zero respect for anyone who voted Brexit and is now crying in their soup. If they'd thought about the impact of leaving the EU for even 10 minutes surely that would have been enough to make them realise the restrictions that would be applied to leisure travel, let alone commerce and trade.

Instead a lot of people seemed to imagine the EU as Elmer Fudd turning beetroot and shaking his fist at the wascally UK that's only bloody done him again.

Edit: Fudd, not Fedd. I am a plum.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Jumblegraws on May 21, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
(https://i1.wp.com/nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/elmer-fudd-gun-1.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&ssl=1)
Smiled at the thought of Fudd responding to this with “Only bloody done me again!”
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JarrowMonkey on May 24, 2021, 10:29:17 PM
If Israel can be in the Eurovision Song Contest we can be in the Pacific. Though we'll leave the trans bit off for the next 40 years so as not to upset The Mail.

https://twitter.com/aufwiedpet/status/1396167397267189763?s=21
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on June 01, 2021, 09:14:18 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/01/wetherspoons-boss-calls-eu-migration-tackle-bar-staff-shortage/

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Wetherspoons boss calls for more EU migration to tackle bar staff shortage. Tim Martin says a "reasonably liberal immigration system" controlled by the UK - rather than the EU - will boost the economy.

(https://abload.de/img/r12d52d35f84cce17d770j7kh1.gif)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on June 01, 2021, 09:17:29 PM
There's no point to anything really is there?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on June 01, 2021, 09:19:47 PM
There's no point to anything really is there?

They’ve had their fun and that’s all that matters.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on June 15, 2021, 08:37:12 AM
Telegraph elated to report that leg amputees could save money on shoes. The article also has a real feel of "there's no evidence but it's a fact that..."

Oh. You're all still thinking of the bad news.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/14/brexit-drives-wages-ending-free-movement/

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Staff are enjoying significantly higher salaries as Brexit, the pandemic and the furlough scheme cut competition for jobs - in an early sign that leaving the EU is benefitting lower-skilled workers in the UK.

Data from recruitment firm Reed, first reported by The Sunday Times, has found that average salaries this year have risen by 18pc across hospitality and catering, 10pc in retail and 4pc overall.


It follows widespread reports that bosses in retail and hospitality, in particular, have been struggling to fill jobs as they reopen following coronavirus lockdowns, with some forced to cut opening hours because they cannot find the staff.

According to Reed, the average salary in hospitality is now £26,888 compared to £22,701 last year and £23,425 in 2019. The average salary in retail is now £29,310, it said, compared to £26,758 last year and £23,425 in 2019.

Economists said the staff shortages were due to factors connected to the pandemic, such as the furlough scheme, students studying from home and people having moved out of big cities, as well as Brexit.

The pay rise data contradicts claims by many mainstream economists before Brexit that migrant labour was not holding down pay. In the run-up to the vote, the Resolution Foundation think-tank argued that a minimal increase would be dwarfed by other forces driving wages down.

Paul Dales, of Capital Economics, said Brexit and migration back to the European Union were helping drive staff shortages and increasing pay.

He added: “I think there is going to be some labour shortages and upward pressure [on wages] in those sectors that tend to employ a higher share of migrants from the EU - such as agriculture and hospitality.”


Julian Jessop, an economist, said that  the labour shortages strengthen the case for winding down the taxpayer-funded furlough scheme, despite a delay to the June 21 unlocking likely to be announced today.

He said: “People should now be encouraged to look for new jobs, instead of being locked into their old ones.”

Philip Shaw, chief economist at Investec, said: “The exact cause [of the staff shortages] isn’t entirely clear - it may reflect for example a lack of student labour.

“There is some evidence that EU workers going back to the EU - for workers in specific sectors, that may well lead to higher pay, but it also might mean for customers that they are less able to get the services or the goods they want to purchase.”

Aside - Not sure why but I usually can't see whole Telegraph articles as they are behind a pay wall. I get a fair few notifications that look like positive spins on Brexit and am intrigued as to what they are pushing. Are most other pro-Brexit outlets ignoring it at the mo or have they rallied?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: DrGreggles on June 15, 2021, 08:44:37 AM
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Data from recruitment firm Reed, first reported by The Sunday Times, has found that average salaries this year have risen by 18pc across hospitality and catering, 10pc in retail and 4pc overall.

The 'c' is a typo.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 15, 2021, 08:46:03 AM
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Julian Jessop, an economist, said that  the labour shortages strengthen the case for winding down the taxpayer-funded furlough scheme, despite a delay to the June 21 unlocking likely to be announced today.

He said: “People should now be encouraged to look for new jobs, instead of being locked into their old ones.”

Jessop Jessop doesn't mention that many people on the furlough scheme won't have the skills or experience for the sectors where there are currently vacancies, and that many of the vacancies will be on significantly lower pay. Would love to see Mr Jessop try being a coffee shop worker for a year instead of being locked into being an economist. Easy to call for furlough to end when you will never need it.

Jessop is also an IEA Economics Fellow.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on June 15, 2021, 12:21:15 PM
You could also make the average retail wage higher by buying several huge clothing retailers for pennies, closing all of their high street stores, making all the minimum wage staff redundant and operating entirely online with a skeleton staff consisting mostly of designers, buyers, web developers and tech support.

But no, shelf stackers in Tesco must be earning £30k now. Big Issue sellers driving Jags. Britain's new golden age.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on June 15, 2021, 08:16:51 PM
Aside - Not sure why but I usually can't see whole Telegraph articles as they are behind a pay wall. I get a fair few notifications that look like positive spins on Brexit and am intrigued as to what they are pushing. Are most other pro-Brexit outlets ignoring it at the mo or have they rallied?

Use the Bypass Paywalls browser add-on.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on June 15, 2021, 09:03:14 PM
Use the Bypass Paywalls browser add-on.

Ooh. Thank you. Will look at that.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on June 18, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Fed up with those cookie consent forms? Never fear, now we're out of Europe a new government report proposes axing them and letting companies do whatever they like with your data instead so as to speed-boost the economy.

Whole load of dodgy GDPR watering down stuff as you would expect: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/stand-up-for-privacy/.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on June 18, 2021, 11:39:53 PM
Need a hand beating off sausages?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3tTQUDWUAQY-8S?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 19, 2021, 06:43:19 PM
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We are recruiting for the Director of the Government’s new Brexit Opportunities Unit.

We’re looking for a visionary, inventive and dedicated leader to help us shape the future policy direction of the UK.

https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1406229043289198597

Tweet links to the job application site and the press release:

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The Government is looking for a talented individual to lead the team, who has experience in economics, regulation or business and can challenge policy and produce creative new initiatives.

They will develop a cross-government strategy for regulatory change, while driving policy development on new opportunities across Whitehall, working with relevant Cabinet committees.

The team will be made up of a wide range of experts from inside and outside of government and will engage with external stakeholders across industry, academia and wider civil society to meet its objectives.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on June 19, 2021, 07:11:13 PM
They've been going on about the opportunities of Brexit for years, so it's probably about bloody time they set up a unit to see if they can find any. (Spoiler: unless you're a disaster capitalist, no.)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 19, 2021, 07:13:27 PM
Their first job will to be to ensure British beaches are full of sewage and condoms.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Norton Canes on June 22, 2021, 09:51:59 AM
Hospitality sector recovery fucked over by lack of migrant staff  (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57555608)


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Mr Moore said Brexit was "definitely the biggest" factor behind staff shortages, and he said the "heartbeat" of the hospitality industry was "young kids" coming from abroad to work in restaurants and bars to gain life experience and new skills.

"[The government] don't realise the huge commodity we have that they have excluded us from, that keeps this industry moving more than anything else," he said


When do moves start to get us closer to Europe? The government have had a little trumpet of their Australia trade deal to keep the Leavers happy (you heard the Big Ben bongs for that, right?) but they must by now be thinking about a few sneaky changes to get our workforce back up to scratch, no?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 22, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
Even if the government did start to try to encourage people from the rest of Europe with experience working in restaurants and bars, would many want to come back to this cold grey xenophobic little island  after the last few years?

I think we will see more investment in training for the hospitality sector with more unemployed people being pushed into hospitality jobs that they are not suited for.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on June 22, 2021, 11:50:39 AM
The Australia trade deal includes making it easier for young people to work in either country so it seems they're hoping for a return to pubs and restaurants staffed by young Aussies rather than Europeans.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 22, 2021, 12:01:04 PM
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A shortfall of up to 70,000 HGV drivers in the UK is likely to soon have even greater consequences than those already seen, according to ParcelHero. It warns customers to expect empty shelves and delays to home deliveries.

ParcelHero says that around a quarter of a million EU workers fled the UK in response to the new Brexit employment rules, with a shortfall of up to 70,000 HGV drivers in the UK as a result.

“Home deliveries of food and goods are already being impacted by the driver shortage, with some stores also running low on stock,” said David Jinks, head of consumer research at ParcelHero.
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Food wholesalers, and even Tesco, have already warned of the impact of the shortfall and the Federation of Wholesale Distributors (FWD) is calling for army drivers to be put on standby to protect vulnerable communities where food deliveries are at risk.

https://edelivery.net/2021/06/hgv-driver-shortages-soon-dire-consequences-delivery/

I'm sure it will all be fine


Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 22, 2021, 12:10:19 PM
The Australia trade deal includes making it easier for young people to work in either country so it seems they're hoping for a return to pubs and restaurants staffed by young Aussies rather than Europeans.

Why would young Aussies want to come to the UK?

They won't want to come for the weather.  They don't need to come for the racism!!!

Maybe as a gateway to Europe for backpacking?  Ah, crap.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 22, 2021, 12:16:26 PM
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He believes the situation could get even worse. “We could soon be facing shortages as bad as those at the start of the first lockdown, which could mean a return to the rationing of staple foods.

Brexiteers would love it if rationing came back, as long as there was a way those with the most money could buy good illegally from modern-day Private Walkers.

Can't see many Australians wanting to travel all the way to Britain.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on June 22, 2021, 12:23:47 PM
Brexiteers would love it if rationing came back, as long as there was a way those with the most money could buy good illegally from modern-day Private Walkers.

Can't see many Australians wanting to travel all the way to Britain.

Yes to first sentence.

No to second - don't see why not. They always have done and things aren't quite like The Road yet. Their visa requirements for going on to Europe won't be any different I don't think. Always got the impression it was their version of a Grand Tour.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 22, 2021, 12:32:15 PM
Was there something stopping young Aussies coming to the UK to work prior to Brexit? I suspect they'll want to work in London and maybe some of the 'cooler' cities but anywhere else isn't going to be much of a draw to them.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 22, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
No to second - don't see why not. They always have done and things aren't quite like The Road yet. Their visa requirements for going on to Europe won't be any different I don't think. Always got the impression it was their version of a Grand Tour.

Yeah, exactly.  Nearly all the Aussies I ever met in the UK were using it as a base for work to fund further travels to places like Barcelona, Rome, Paris, Prague etc.  The thing is, a good number of them had British passports through ancestry, so that's going to be more difficult (and, regardless of nationality, time limited to three months' stay on a Schengen Visa).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 22, 2021, 12:44:01 PM
Brexiteers would love it if rationing came back

They'd love it in theory, in practice they'd be crying and eating their own feces by tea time.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 22, 2021, 12:52:39 PM
They'd love it in theory, in practice they'd be crying and eating their own feces by tea time.

Johnson would still try to spin that into a success. "British poos for British tummies". Or blame the EU somehow.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 23, 2021, 10:16:04 AM
Came across this fascinating bit of archive telly the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V70X2UNSkUI

A 1985 Thames TV debate show called "Daytime", hosted by Sarah Kennedy, discussing Britain's place in Europe.

A few things stood out:

1) Reversal of Left/Right stances. Just shows how much the parties have changed in 30 years.
2) Weird to see a program of this sort on ITV.  These days it would've been presented by Ant and Dec.  Would probably involve gunging.
3) The audience members were articulate, had a good vocabulary, debated respectfully and showed a basic level of intelligence which seems absent these days.  Being 1985, they all looked about 20 years older than they really were though.
4) I never remembered Sarah Kennedy being so hot.
5) KENNETH WILLIAMS.  I actually found it looking for clips of the great man.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 23, 2021, 10:23:27 AM
Even if the government did start to try to encourage people from the rest of Europe with experience working in restaurants and bars, would many want to come back to this cold grey xenophobic little island  after the last few years?

I think we will see more investment in training for the hospitality sector with more unemployed people being pushed into hospitality jobs that they are not suited for.

Most people who travel don't have a narrow world view like yourself, you should try it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2021, 10:27:24 AM
Why do you think I have a narrow world view? Thanks for your patronising assumption that I don't travel though, maybe explain why you disagree with a post rather than just making snide comments next time.


Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: robhug on June 23, 2021, 10:29:28 AM
Came across this fascinating bit of archive telly the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V70X2UNSkUI

A 1985 Thames TV debate show called "Daytime", hosted by Sarah Kennedy, discussing Britain's place in Europe.

A few things stood out:

1) Reversal of Left/Right stances. Just shows how much the parties have changed in 30 years.
2) Weird to see a program of this sort on ITV.  These days it would've been presented by Ant and Dec.  Would probably involve gunging.
3) The audience members were articulate, had a good vocabulary, debated respectfully and showed a basic level of intelligence which seems absent these days.  Being 1985, they all looked about 20 years older than they really were though.
4) I never remembered Sarah Kennedy being so hot.
5) KENNETH WILLIAMS.  I actually found it looking for clips of the great man.

debates were mainly like this until about 2005 and the advent of twitter.

twitter made imbeciles think their thoughts were valid as it matched another imbeciles opinion and it slowly snowballed from there.

I disagree about Sarah Kennedy's hotness.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 23, 2021, 10:32:03 AM
Why do you think I have a narrow world view?

All Brexit voters are racist/xenophobic, Europe is some diverse utopia, Britain is becoming a dictatorship, patriotism in other nations is fine but an ounce of it is inherently evil in Brotain, everyone is oppressed and miserable. These are things you believe that are incompatible with a broad world view.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on June 23, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
Well Britain is in Europe and it's full of racist and xenophobic cunts, so it's likely Europe isn't a diverse utopia.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
All Brexit voters are racist/xenophobic, Europe is some diverse utopia, Britain is becoming a dictatorship, patriotism in other nations is fine but an ounce of it is inherently evil in Brotain, everyone is oppressed and miserable. These are things you believe that are incompatible with a broad world view.

I don't believe everyone who voted for Brexit is racist or xenophobic (aside from anything else, I have friends who voted for Brexit), and I don't think Europe is a utopia. I've also never praised patriotism in other nations on here.

It sounds like you think a broad world view basically involves agreeing with what you think.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 23, 2021, 10:42:11 AM
I don't believe everyone who voted for Brexit is racist or xenophobic (aside from anything else, I have friends who voted for Brexit), and I don't think Europe is a utopia. I've also never praised patriotism in other nations on here.

It sounds like you think a broad world view basically involves agreeing with what you think.

No it involves having scope.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 23, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
Most people who travel don't have a narrow world view like yourself, you should try it.

Do you think the UK is a more, or less appealing destination for foreign workers and travellers post Brexit?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
Patriotism to me means wanting to make your country better for everyone that lives there and everyone that visits. I support efforts to do so, and I also think calling out the continued venal actions of the UK government and their divisive culture war is patriotic. Being nice to people and not dropping litter is patriotic. Opening windows on the bus and wearing a mask unless medically exempt is patriotic, as I care about the health of others and don't want to fill up hospitals again. So I don't think patriotism is evil, it's important to care about where you live and wanting to make it better rather than have a group of venal chortling third-rate divisive overpaid hypocritical bigots make it worse so that they and their elite friends can make more money.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: tourism on June 23, 2021, 12:20:31 PM
patriotism to bazooka is presumably going aghast when someone says british food all tastes boiled. or maybe it's sucking off bulldogs. I've barely travelled so I don't have their scope/perspective
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on June 23, 2021, 12:31:36 PM
I've done some fairly limited travelling and it just confirmed to me everyone is the same really. But then, true knowledge comes from experience so ah well.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 23, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
patriotism to bazooka is presumably going aghast when someone says british food all tastes boiled. or maybe it's sucking off bulldogs. I've barely travelled so I don't have their scope/perspective

Holy fragility levels Batman!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2021, 06:44:49 PM
Holy fragility levels Batman!

I get the feeling you're just trolling. Another one for the block list. Either that or you'll be the only one taking part in the CAB One Britain One Nation singalong.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 23, 2021, 07:38:25 PM
Patriotism to me means wanting to make your country better for everyone that lives there and everyone that visits. I support efforts to do so, and I also think calling out the continued venal actions of the UK government and their divisive culture war is patriotic. Being nice to people and not dropping litter is patriotic. Opening windows on the bus and wearing a mask unless medically exempt is patriotic, as I care about the health of others and don't want to fill up hospitals again. So I don't think patriotism is evil, it's important to care about where you live and wanting to make it better rather than have a group of venal chortling third-rate divisive overpaid hypocritical bigots make it worse so that they and their elite friends can make more money.
This. I love England. England is my home. I want it to be better than it is. For me and for everyone else living here.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 23, 2021, 10:11:17 PM
Most people who travel don't have a narrow world view like yourself, you should try it.

Can't afford to. I thought Remainers were all about patronising those less wealthy than themselves?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 23, 2021, 10:33:18 PM
Patriotism to me means wanting to make your country better for everyone that lives there and everyone that visits. I support efforts to do so, and I also think calling out the continued venal actions of the UK government and their divisive culture war is patriotic. Being nice to people and not dropping litter is patriotic. Opening windows on the bus and wearing a mask unless medically exempt is patriotic, as I care about the health of others and don't want to fill up hospitals again. So I don't think patriotism is evil, it's important to care about where you live and wanting to make it better rather than have a group of venal chortling third-rate divisive overpaid hypocritical bigots make it worse so that they and their elite friends can make more money.

Bravo! 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 23, 2021, 11:08:52 PM
This. I love England. England is my home. I want it to be better than it is. For me and for everyone else living here.

And when's that going to happen? What mechanism is there to make that the case? Tory majorities for ever more, peddling more and more hateful bullshit that's lapped up by enough to keep them in power. At what point do you say, "you know, maybe this country won't ever be what I want it to be, perhaps I don't belong here"?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 23, 2021, 11:53:12 PM
Even if the government did start to try to encourage people from the rest of Europe with experience working in restaurants and bars, would many want to come back to this cold grey xenophobic little island  after the last few years?
Your problem is that there's another cold grey xenophobic little island where everyone speaks English and is part of the EU and part of the Eurozone.

And when's that going to happen? What mechanism is there to make that the case? Tory majorities for ever more, peddling more and more hateful bullshit that's lapped up by enough to keep them in power. At what point do you say, "you know, maybe this country won't ever be what I want it to be, perhaps I don't belong here"?
well pack your bags and fuck off then
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: chveik on June 24, 2021, 12:03:50 AM
Patriotism to me means wanting to make your country better for everyone that lives there and everyone that visits. I support efforts to do so, and I also think calling out the continued venal actions of the UK government and their divisive culture war is patriotic. Being nice to people and not dropping litter is patriotic. Opening windows on the bus and wearing a mask unless medically exempt is patriotic, as I care about the health of others and don't want to fill up hospitals again. So I don't think patriotism is evil, it's important to care about where you live and wanting to make it better rather than have a group of venal chortling third-rate divisive overpaid hypocritical bigots make it worse so that they and their elite friends can make more money.

get rid of the patriotism element altogether. you don't need to be devoted to your homeland to do the things you've listed
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 12:28:49 AM
And when's that going to happen? What mechanism is there to make that the case? Tory majorities for ever more, peddling more and more hateful bullshit that's lapped up by enough to keep them in power. At what point do you say, "you know, maybe this country won't ever be what I want it to be, perhaps I don't belong here"?
I’m already starting to feel like that but I don’t know where else to go. It would have to be Nazi Germany levels of dangerous for me to leave. Physically or mentally, I cannot afford to leave. I need to be near my family.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 24, 2021, 02:26:56 AM
Your problem is that there's another cold grey xenophobic little island where everyone speaks English and is part of the EU and part of the Eurozone.
well pack your bags and fuck off then

I did.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: SpiderChrist on June 24, 2021, 07:01:52 AM
Patriotism to me means wanting to make your country better for everyone that lives there and everyone that visits. I support efforts to do so, and I also think calling out the continued venal actions of the UK government and their divisive culture war is patriotic. Being nice to people and not dropping litter is patriotic. Opening windows on the bus and wearing a mask unless medically exempt is patriotic, as I care about the health of others and don't want to fill up hospitals again. So I don't think patriotism is evil, it's important to care about where you live and wanting to make it better rather than have a group of venal chortling third-rate divisive overpaid hypocritical bigots make it worse so that they and their elite friends can make more money.

So if you moved to, say, France or whatever, your patriotism shifts to your country of residence and you could theoretically be an English person who is a French patriot?

This is not a dig, I’ve just got up and haven’t had any coffee yet so may be misunderstanding your point.

I get very uncomfortable when people refer to “my country”. It’s not yours. Never was.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 24, 2021, 07:43:43 AM
This country and its people are awful. I think I'll make my Tuscany or my Dordogne house my main residence but which one? Which one?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on June 24, 2021, 07:56:30 AM
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One of the UK’s biggest mobile phone networks has announced roaming charges for Britons travelling to the EU, in a blow to Boris Johnson’s Brexit celebrations.
Customers of O2 have been told they will be billed £3.50 for every gigabyte (GB) of data used above a new limit of 25GB, from August.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-o2-data-roaming-charges-b1871484.html

All this freedoms…
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 24, 2021, 08:02:33 AM
Nobody could have ever predicted that would happen
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on June 24, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
This is(n't)? the Brexit I voted (for|against)!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 24, 2021, 08:36:04 AM
So if you moved to, say, France or whatever, your patriotism shifts to your country of residence and you could theoretically be an English person who is a French patriot?

This is not a dig, I’ve just got up and haven’t had any coffee yet so may be misunderstanding your point.

I get very uncomfortable when people refer to “my country”. It’s not yours. Never was.

I think so. Maybe civic concern would be a better way of putting it. When I say my country I mean the country I live in, the country I interact with, the one where my family and almost all my friends live. My country of residence.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 24, 2021, 08:38:25 AM
And when's that going to happen? What mechanism is there to make that the case? Tory majorities for ever more, peddling more and more hateful bullshit that's lapped up by enough to keep them in power. At what point do you say, "you know, maybe this country won't ever be what I want it to be, perhaps I don't belong here"?

Well I can't leave, there are people I care about here who can't leave either, I'm no good at languages and I have no skills that other countries would want.

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 08:40:58 AM
So if you moved to, say, France or whatever, your patriotism shifts to your country of residence and you could theoretically be an English person who is a French patriot?

This is not a dig, I’ve just got up and haven’t had any coffee yet so may be misunderstanding your point.

I get very uncomfortable when people refer to “my country”. It’s not yours. Never was.

I think Fambo's point is that love of the land you live on and its people, does not have to mean that you hate everyone and everywhere else.  A bit like love of your home and family, it can be a purely positive thing, where you simply appreciate, respect and are grateful for, your home and family without feeling arrogant about it or that all other homes and families are shit and need bulldozing.  You can actually look at other homes and families and understand that they are as loved and special as your own.  A healthy attitude can be had.

I feel, in that sense, I am a French patriot.  I do genuinely love this place, the beauty, the wildlife, trees, plants, the histories, the buildings, the seasons, I love it.  If it was attacked, I would sacrifice myself to protect it and its people without question, I think that's patriotism.  I have been adopted by this beautiful family and I am part of it now.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: mrpupkin on June 24, 2021, 09:46:39 AM
How will I go round my mum's if I live in Switzerland or something though. Sorry mum, got to flee and become Swiss because of Tories, hope the rest of your life is ok.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 24, 2021, 09:48:04 AM
Well I can't leave, there are people I care about here who can't leave either, I'm no good at languages and I have no skills that other countries would want.

Then enjoy wallowing in your cesspit of a shithole of a hellscape of a country. This is what you voted for etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 09:56:26 AM
How will I go round my mum's if I live in Switzerland or something though. Sorry mum, got to flee and become Swiss because of Tories, hope the rest of your life is ok.

I was lucky, my mum died.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bakabaka on June 24, 2021, 10:01:49 AM
I was unlucky, everyone else in my family got Irish passports in the last couple of years and all I've got is my useless US one.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 24, 2021, 10:21:23 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-o2-data-roaming-charges-b1871484.html

All this freedoms…
Sigh, O2 were owned by the Spanish but were bought by American cable company Liberty. Maybe it'll be free calls to Texas if you promise to only download videos of squirrels saluting the Stars and Stripes.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: phantom_power on June 24, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
I think there is a very dangerous view of a lot of flag-shagging patriots that the country is the government and vice versa and therefore any criticism of the former is somehow unpatriotic. This is obviously fuelled by the government who use that as a get-out to avoid answering those criticisms.

There is also this idea of Britishness (or more accurately Englishness) that is ossified and based on some Victorian ideal rather than modern reality. England has always been a cultural melting pot but some people want what is an acceptable amount of "mixing" to be baselined in the 1930s or something and never changed lest it be seen as un-British. So chips (probably Belgian or French in origin) are pwoper British, whereas curry is sort-of-British and falafel is definitely not fucking British
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 11:09:48 AM
The irony being that a lot of curries we eat nowadays are Anglo-Indian. Tikka masala and that.

Is France really much better than Britain?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
I think there is a very dangerous view of a lot of flag-shagging patriots that the country is the government and vice versa and therefore any criticism of the former is somehow unpatriotic. This is obviously fuelled by the government who use that as a get-out to avoid answering those criticisms.

There is also this idea of Britishness (or more accurately Englishness) that is ossified and based on some Victorian ideal rather than modern reality. England has always been a cultural melting pot but some people want what is an acceptable amount of "mixing" to be baselined in the 1930s or something and never changed lest it be seen as un-British. So chips (probably Belgian or French in origin) are pwoper British, whereas curry is sort-of-British and falafel is definitely not fucking British

Did you watch that film Owen Jones did recently about Batley and Spen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEcNHMLyEYk)?  There were two, presumably, local, old fellows interviewed (starts around 4.30) that characterise perfectly these two viewpoints.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: SpiderChrist on June 24, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
The irony being that a lot of curries we eat nowadays are Anglo-Indian. Tikka masala and that.

Is France really much better than Britain?

I chose France as an example. Par example, if you will. The world is a ghetto.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 11:15:18 AM
Oh sure, my point is that the rest of Europe isn't much better than the UK. How many countries have left-wing/socialist leaders?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 11:18:11 AM
I only know two European countries really quite well, the UK and France, being completely honest as I can be, the UK (England) does seem to be a lot more flaggy and right wing and under the thumb of the oligarchs than France.  That's just my view.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Wet Blanket on June 24, 2021, 11:31:44 AM
Didn't France ban Muslim schoolkids from wearing veils, and they have Marine Le Pen and Michel Houellebecq and all that. Plus at the less extreme end of the scale they have that body that makes sure French words aren't usurped by foreign equivalents. I reckon there's no shortage of reactionary blowhards in France. The term reactionary even comes from the French réactionnaire.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
A great deal of the English language comes from French, so what?  And yes, I'm certainly not saying (and have never said) that France is perfect, simply that, in my view, in my experience, it is less flag-shaggy, right wing and so on than UK (England).  The veils thing came about IIRC through Laïcité (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_France), IMO, a good thing which also prohibits the wearing of crucifixes in schools and so on too.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 24, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
I think there is a very dangerous view of a lot of flag-shagging patriots that the country is the government and vice versa and therefore any criticism of the former is somehow unpatriotic. This is obviously fuelled by the government who use that as a get-out to avoid answering those criticisms.


And there is the extreme on the other end, of sensationalism and sneering of anyone that partakes in what is considered "acceptable" on some self centered morality scale, with the assumption it leads to horrible outcomes.

A child waving a flag at the Queen's jubilee would be a repugnant in the eyes of some people on here, which speaks more of the shamer. What about a Tory voting non-profit organiser, or a  cognitive support worker with a Union Jack in their garden? What gradient do they fall on the CaB cunt scale? (I'm asking asking rhetorically not aimed directly at you Phantom) These framework examples can be seen as cheap or extreme, but if people really mean they want a better society and nation, then it's a complete contradiction to view everything through a fairytale lens of good vs evil, but it's easier to be aimlessly angry that way and lump everyone into the same group if they demonstrate similar behaviour.

The political position of a country whilst a major variable is not a binary blanket to assess how good a country is, because any scale of such is completely redundant, as it's used to encompass all the people of that land, all the culture, geography etc in one sweeping generalisation. There is this baffling portrayel that everything is so binary.

People are quick to back down with; "well of course everyone who voted Brexit isn't racist" or "well obviously I love the theatres and comedy in the UK" etc. Then why don't people start with that, but instead it's this repetitious mock teenage angst in the vein of; it's all shit, worst place any human could live, can't wake up without being smothered by a flag(I'm being sensational to prove a point), and these mass sweeping generalizations without any level of self awareness, just an easy path to the echelons of cyberspace moral virtue. The angst quickly moves away from objective criticism of a policy for example, to this sneering at people clapping for the NHS, as if it has any impact whatsoever on their lives, and they are probably sneering at people they know and love.

The hypocrisy is, it's the exact same game being played as by those it's meant to criticise, or it's all good because it falls under the guise of edgy.

But I must be a cunt, or troll or ready for the digital gallows of someone's block list ☠⚰. I wish everyone a good day, I really do.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: phantom_power on June 24, 2021, 02:15:53 PM
p.s. I am wanking as I write this
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 24, 2021, 02:20:19 PM
Except, of course, the sneering at clapping for the NHS was at those in power who use it as a substitute for properly funding (and not selling off) the NHS. As you know full well.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 03:17:49 PM
p.s. I am wanking as I write this

I laughed.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 03:24:12 PM
The 'sneering' was at the fact that clapping does absolutely fuck all for the NHS, that people who didn't clap were shamed for it in some areas (like Facebook groups making a point of calling out people who didn't show up on their doorstep), and the fact twats like Johnson were doing it despite their history of undermining the NHS. It was a nice idea that got stale quickly when it became this weekly thing and people were shamed into doing it.

And this is my exact point. Anyone who feels uneasy about patriotism or doesn't go along with it is accused of 'sneering'. You don't like GSTQ, you're sneering. You think the Empire did some bad things and shouldn't be glorified, you're sneering. You don't feel like celebrating VE Day, you're sneering. I could decorate my entire fucking house in Union flags, sing GSTQ daily and have a portrait of Churchill on my mantelpiece and I still wouldn't be a 'real' Brit to some people, because to them Jews aren't real Brits, we're traitors and aliens who put Israel first.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bakabaka on June 24, 2021, 03:25:28 PM
(I'm being sensational to prove a point)
Except, of course, being sensational devalues a point rather than proving it.
But you knew that, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 24, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
Except, of course, being sensational devalues a point rather than proving it.
But you knew that, I'm sure.

I'm hand gesturing something flying closely over your head right now.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on June 24, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
Part of the problem is that people treat "England" as describing a place or a country rather than an ideology married to a state.

You can't make "England" better. If it was better, than the term wouldn't apply any more.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 24, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
I'm hand gesturing something flying closely over your head right now.

A spitfire? A bluebird?
Title: Everyone salutes
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 03:58:50 PM
Churchill, naked and flaming, farting flame as his marbled grey-white marble streaks across the greasy sky, launched from a trebuchet towards the giant laughing mouth of Jezzerby Crobulak, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 24, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
The 'sneering' was at the fact that clapping does absolutely fuck all for the NHS, that people who didn't clap were shamed for it in some areas (like Facebook groups making a point of calling out people who didn't show up on their doorstep), and the fact twats like Johnson were doing it despite their history of undermining the NHS. It was a nice idea that got stale quickly when it became this weekly thing and people were shamed into doing it.

It soon morphed into viewing those that did it as ignorant, that because maybe just maybe they wanted to show some gratitude (however meaningless it is to you) they had had the wool pulled over their eyes. Perhaps they could show support to a local hospital without chanting "bring on the cuts!". I don't think most people stopped doing because they were shamed into doing it, at least that certainty wasn't for anyone I knew. I didn't do it personally, was never shamed for it, and respected others if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on June 24, 2021, 04:05:07 PM
I thought everyone who clapped for the NHS was a pathetic fucking cuck idiot. Without exception. Including my family and close personal friends.

I don't think any less of them for doing it, necessarily, but they were pathetic fucking cuck idiots all the same.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bakabaka on June 24, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
I'm hand gesturing something flying closely over your head right now.
By which I assume you mean that I am too ignorant to realise that your use of a phrase to undermine your own post was done in irony, implying that we should take nothing from your views but a claim of a superior sense of humour.

Fed now?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 24, 2021, 04:23:02 PM
I thought everyone who clapped for the NHS was a pathetic fucking cuck idiot. Without exception. Including my family and close personal friends.

I don't think any less of them for doing it, necessarily, but they were pathetic fucking cuck idiots all the same.

I did it for the first few weeks (when it was cool. I think i was the first one), but I definitely am a pathetic fucking cuck idiot.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bernice on June 24, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Part of the problem is that people treat "England" as describing a place or a country rather than an ideology married to a state.

You can't make "England" better. If it was better, than the term wouldn't apply any more.

I think this is far more true of "Britain" than "England"- the latter being a millennium-old nation long preceding anything recognizable as a modern ideology.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bazooka on June 24, 2021, 04:25:40 PM
Except, of course, being sensational devalues a point rather than proving it.

Depends on context, so no.
Title: Have a good time, all the time
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 04:26:36 PM
I did it for the first few weeks (when it was cool. I think i was the first one), but I definitely am a pathetic fucking cuck idiot.

Arse-clap the Met then.  Do it for Churchill and that drummer.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on June 24, 2021, 04:27:43 PM
That's it, sneer at my arse.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on June 24, 2021, 04:52:43 PM
I think this is far more true of "Britain" than "England"- the latter being a millennium-old nation long preceding anything recognizable as a modern ideology.
Britain is a big island, mostly.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
I thought everyone who clapped for the NHS was a pathetic fucking cuck idiot. Without exception. Including my family and close personal friends.

I don't think any less of them for doing it, necessarily, but they were pathetic fucking cuck idiots all the same.
Can you please explain why clapping for the NHS means someone is fucking your partner with your consent? What has clapping for the NHS got to do with sexual fetishes?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
It soon morphed into viewing those that did it as ignorant, that because maybe just maybe they wanted to show some gratitude (however meaningless it is to you) they had had the wool pulled over their eyes. Perhaps they could show support to a local hospital without chanting "bring on the cuts!". I don't think most people stopped doing because they were shamed into doing it, at least that certainty wasn't for anyone I knew. I didn't do it personally, was never shamed for it, and respected others if they wanted to.
Yeah, that’s why members of my family and friends clapped, to show gratitude. And I didn’t have a go at them because I get why they were doing it. I chose not to, for various reasons.

I could have done without people on my street setting off fireworks tbh.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: chveik on June 24, 2021, 07:17:49 PM
Can you please explain why clapping for the NHS means someone is fucking your partner with your consent?

something about letting the government fuck you over i guess
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
It touched a nerve. No, I haven’t watched another man fuck my partner but I really hate the whole cuck thing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 24, 2021, 08:50:11 PM
It touched a nerve. No, I haven’t watched another man fuck my partner but I really hate the whole cuck thing.

That’s not what cuckold means.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 10:36:16 PM
It does if you're talking about fetishes. There's a whole market out there for cuck porn, where a guy watches another man bang his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on June 24, 2021, 10:43:22 PM
And that's "England" is it?

That and the fug of the Class 220, I shouldn't wonder.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2021, 10:45:15 PM
Yup.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/28257960caa2aa6330410c04f3c62903e84f50af/0_452_2675_1604/master/2675..jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=efebeb3ffcc03ed467d91da74fb7b193)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on June 25, 2021, 12:09:00 AM
UK getting positive sausage signals from EU, minister says
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uk-getting-positive-sausage-signals-eu-minister-says-2021-06-24/
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on June 25, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
Can you please explain why clapping for the NHS means someone is fucking your partner with your consent? What has clapping for the NHS got to do with sexual fetishes?

I don't really think that. I don't really think anything. I was just putting words together.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on June 25, 2021, 09:39:39 AM
Yes, I think we all knew that.  Very amusing words there were too.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on June 25, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
That and the fug of the Class 220, I shouldn't wonder.

That's Belgium, surely?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Zetetic on June 25, 2021, 01:02:01 PM
Built by Belgians to the standard they knew the "Englishman" would accept.
Title: High times on the 3.10 to Poogah or Thomas the tank engine huffs a turd
Post by: Buelligan on June 25, 2021, 03:19:41 PM
Or woman.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 25, 2021, 05:12:11 PM
Some good news for Britain which I'm sure the government will be all over, a resident of the Isle of Wight has become the youngest ever winner of Best in Show at the Homemade Marmalade Awards, which attracts entries from around the world

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-57581729

Take that EU! In all seriousness, congratulations to Flora
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Endicott on June 25, 2021, 05:49:40 PM
Flora? I thought you said marmalade!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: beanheadmcginty on June 25, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
Wasn't she the Maltese entry to Eurovision this year?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bomb_dog on June 25, 2021, 09:14:28 PM
Nice little story, possibly made up, from twitter:  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408347854830252032.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408347854830252032.html)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 25, 2021, 09:40:37 PM
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Nice little story, possibly made up

Possibly?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bernice on June 27, 2021, 08:17:44 PM
And then everyone clapped.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on June 27, 2021, 08:45:12 PM
It's the same guy who previously made up some other FBPE wank-fodder about Brexit. I can't remember the details, but it had the same "and the gammons were furious!" thing going on.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on June 27, 2021, 08:46:09 PM
Some good news for Britain which I'm sure the government will be all over, a resident of the Isle of Wight has become the youngest ever winner of Best in Show at the Homemade Marmalade Awards, which attracts entries from around the world

Everyone was surprised, because they expected that some marmalade would win!!eleven
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 28, 2021, 02:42:01 AM
Nice little story, possibly made up, from twitter:  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408347854830252032.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408347854830252032.html)

If this happened, my arse is a Frenchman (it isn’t).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Gurke and Hare on June 28, 2021, 09:39:27 AM
It's the same guy who previously made up some other FBPE wank-fodder about Brexit. I can't remember the details, but it had the same "and the gammons were furious!" thing going on.

This is it (https://www.indy100.com/news/fake-brexit-thread-eurostar-rs-archer-9599401). It's just that time of year, obviously.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bomb_dog on June 28, 2021, 06:51:13 PM
Nice one Dicko, you chump.
Bruce doesn’t realise he’s got what he voted for (https://twitter.com/kayburley/status/1409443643371438083?s=21)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on June 28, 2021, 07:26:46 PM
Iron Moron
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on June 28, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
More cow bell-end.

I know it’s a different Bruce Dickinson, just fuck off and let me have it, eh?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on June 28, 2021, 08:37:52 PM
Well, the transition period ends on Wednesday. That's when the import/export friction is really going to bite.

The rest of Europe is just emerging form CoViD deep freeze. Here, it's only going to get worse.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 29, 2021, 12:53:18 AM
If this happened, my arse is a Frenchman (it isn’t).

No, it's Quebecois, quite different.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 29, 2021, 01:37:37 AM
No, it's Quebecois, quite different.

I have francophone relatives but they are staidly Acadian and in NS and NB, and not Québécois because they don’t get along. No idea why, haven’t asked - I’m an Englishman (and a Leafs fan ffs), I’m doing well to have them allow me into their various homes.

If anyone cares, I can type a quick summary of French-speaking people in eastern Canada but I doubt anyone does. My son has 2 francophone friends in his nursery and can say “bonjour!!” which is quite nice.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 29, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
I have francophone relatives but they are staidly Acadian and in NS and NB, and not Québécois because they don’t get along. No idea why, haven’t asked - I’m an Englishman (and a Leafs fan ffs), I’m doing well to have them allow me into their various homes.

If anyone cares, I can type a quick summary of French-speaking people in eastern Canada but I doubt anyone does. My son has 2 francophone friends in his nursery and can say “bonjour!!” which is quite nice.

Is it not something to do with the war of 1812?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 29, 2021, 02:38:25 AM
Is it not something to do with the war of 1812?

Well, you’re really touching on three different historically dominant (and exogenic) francophone movements in North America: you see [3 paragraphs no one will read]
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 29, 2021, 07:52:50 AM
Do go on… maybe in a separate thread or the Hystorical (Hysterical) Sub-forum
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 05, 2021, 03:16:55 PM
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LONDON, July 2 (Reuters) - Premier Foods (PFD.L), one of Britain's biggest food companies, has called on the government to consider using the army to distribute goods to help relieve a severe shortage of truck drivers.

Last week industry leaders warned Britain could face gaps on supermarket shelves this summer and an "unimaginable" collapse of supply chains after the pandemic and Brexit led to a shortage of more than 100,000 heavy goods vehicle (HGV) drivers...

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/bring-army-food-groups-call-relieve-uk-lorry-driver-crisis-2021-07-02/

I'm not sure how the pandemic has helped lead to a shortage of lorry drivers, but clearly Brexit has contributed.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on July 05, 2021, 03:56:17 PM
My local council currently has vacancies for rubbish lorry drivers it can't fill and there have been stories of other councils that have had to reduce collections because of the shortage. Seems to be impacts from both Brexit and the pandemic, with people from the EU not wanting to work in the UK and new drivers unable to get HGV licenses last year.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on July 05, 2021, 04:09:26 PM
My local council currently has vacancies for rubbish lorry drivers it can't fill

Maybe they should try to recruit good ones then?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 06, 2021, 10:37:45 AM
Don't worry! Boris will solve our transport needs! Boris has decided (https://www.carthrottle.com/post/gb-stickers-wont-be-valid-for-driving-abroad-from-september/) the GB sticker on the back of cars and trucks going abroad will be replaced by a UK sticker from September. Which is in no way pointless or designed to appease the DUP (who aren't that stupid, or maybe they are?) but will indicate a new thrusting UK identity going abroad to crash into oncoming vehicles and have the wrong headlights. And fuck you if you need new numberplates because the old ones say GB.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: DrGreggles on July 06, 2021, 10:41:51 AM
It's so the drivers can pretend to be Ukrainian to avoid abuse.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 06, 2021, 10:43:42 AM
I'm sure people will be delighted to have to buy a new sticker just to keep the DUP happy. I note how the AA now has 50,000 useless stickers which will probably end up being binned.

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Unlike the soon-to-be-invalid GB plates, which were heralded by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps in January, the switch to UK signifiers was not formally announced by the Government. Instead it was spotted as a footnote in UN regulations by the AA, which says it has 50,000 items of stock it will now need to change.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2021, 10:45:47 AM
Don't worry! Boris will solve our transport needs! Boris has decided (https://www.carthrottle.com/post/gb-stickers-wont-be-valid-for-driving-abroad-from-september/) the GB sticker on the back of cars and trucks going abroad will be replaced by a UK sticker from September. Which is in no way pointless or designed to appease the DUP (who aren't that stupid, or maybe they are?) but will indicate a new thrusting UK identity going abroad to crash into oncoming vehicles and have the wrong headlights. And fuck you if you need new numberplates because the old ones say GB.

And then a whole new lot of number plates when Scotland goes and again, of course, 2024 when Ireland is reunified.  Does Hancock or Zahawi have a friend who runs a crayon factory? 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on July 06, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
And then a whole new lot of number plates when Scotland goes and again, of course, 2024 when Ireland is reunified.  Does Hancock or Zahawi have a friend who runs a crayon factory?

I'd have thought the UK will remain the UK when Scotland goes, and probably when NI goes as well. After Wales finally gets fed up and leaves, it may be time for a rethink.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Key on July 06, 2021, 02:04:39 PM
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/bring-army-food-groups-call-relieve-uk-lorry-driver-crisis-2021-07-02/

I'm not sure how the pandemic has helped lead to a shortage of lorry drivers, but clearly Brexit has contributed.

I think the lockdowns and restrictions meant last year far fewer people managed to train for and pass their HGV licence.

Of course if we hadnt left the EU we could have plugged that massive gap with forins. So now the first look at Global Britain may be helicopters dropping food parcels for it's people.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2021, 02:39:29 PM
I'd have thought the UK will remain the UK when Scotland goes, and probably when NI goes as well. After Wales finally gets fed up and leaves, it may be time for a rethink.

I think you should all apply to join France.  It's a lot better, weather and everything.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on July 07, 2021, 01:49:10 PM
Bit of feel-good news in this article. At least she acknowledges it's what she asked for:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/hotel-inspector-alex-polizzi-brexit-damage-8118650

Sorry I can't do the quoting thing - am on phone.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 08, 2021, 05:42:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5xLlT5X0AgeIt2?format=jpg&name=small)

A PLOT where people move to nicer countries HOW DARE THEY NOT STAY HERE
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on July 08, 2021, 06:58:02 PM
Well, they do always tell people to leave if they don’t like it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on July 08, 2021, 07:03:13 PM
Going over there, leaving our jobs.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Tony Tony Tony on July 08, 2021, 07:13:38 PM
18 pages of mostly whining, so may I point out that England were last in a major footie final in 1966 prior to joining the Common Market. Since we left Europe we have now reached our first final since then.

Makes you think.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on July 08, 2021, 07:47:34 PM
18 pages of mostly whining, so may I point out that England were last in a major footie final in 1966 prior to joining the Common Market. Since we left Europe we have now reached our first final since then.

Makes you think.

I might as well be the first non-English poster to point out that ‘England’ has never been a member of the Common Market or, indeed, the EU.

(I know you’re ‘doing a bit’, but, yeah...that seems to be how a fair number of people south of the border think).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on July 08, 2021, 07:56:57 PM
18 pages of mostly whining, so may I point out that England were last in a major footie final in 1966 prior to joining the Common Market. Since we left Europe we have now reached our first final since then.

Makes you think.

Embraced the North Koreans and took them to heart during that tournament. Assisted by Soviet officials in the final.

Now that the team is engaging in clear Marxist support the glory days are back.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Small Potatoes on July 08, 2021, 08:10:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5xLlT5X0AgeIt2?format=jpg&name=small)

A PLOT where people move to nicer countries HOW DARE THEY NOT STAY HERE

I can tell that's from the Express just from the layout and the use of the word "plot". They love that, along with "brutal", "humiliated", "on brink", "horror" and "panic". It's cancer-tier clickbait for beetroot-faced Englanders, and very much the in-house newsletter for Brexit. I hate it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on July 08, 2021, 08:44:38 PM
Apart from the fact that it's not the EU that has wooed them away but the UK that has driven them away, I'd bet most of the British nationals moving to Europe as a result of Brexit are exactly the sort of woke snowflakes that the average Brexiter would be happy to see the back of.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 19, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
The latest Brexiteer answer to labour shortages caused by Brexit - make "illegial" immigrants do the work.

https://i.imgur.com/qmbP3sp.png

Looks like a letter printed in the Scum.

Of course many refugees and asylum seekers would love to work rather than survive on the very low benefits they get (£39.63 per week, which wouldn't even cover my weekly food bill).

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JarrowMonkey on July 20, 2021, 11:26:15 PM
Flora? I thought you said marmalade!

Flora?, I can fucking hear you and I live in Middlesbrough
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 21, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
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The UK is expected to warn the EU it is prepared to unilaterally override the Brexit arrangements for Northern Ireland if a simplified agreement cannot be reached.

The Northern Ireland Protocol helps prevent the need for checks on the island of Ireland's internal border.

But Lord Frost says its implementation is unbalanced and unsustainable.

The Brexit minister will explain the government's proposals in a statement to Parliament later.

The deal was negotiated by Lord Frost but he is expected to say the protocol needs to be radically changed.

However the UK will not be triggering Article 16 of the protocol - which would allow it to suspend parts of the Brexit deal - "in the short term", a government source has said.

UK once again threatening to breach its obligations. It was this government that agreed this deal and now they don't like it. Maybe they should have thought about that before agreeing the deal, indeed maybe people like Johnson should have thought about this issue before backing Brexit.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on July 21, 2021, 08:57:39 AM
It's deliberate. Every time they openly break the law or break their word and get away with it, it erodes the trust in the institutions and people who trade in that trust. They're weakening the bonds of society.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Norton Canes on July 21, 2021, 09:26:51 AM
The latest Brexiteer answer to labour shortages caused by Brexit - make "illegial" immigrants do the work.

https://i.imgur.com/qmbP3sp.png

Derek appears to be suggesting we get illegal immigrants to drive lorries. I'm all for that!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on July 21, 2021, 10:22:18 AM
It's deliberate. Every time they openly break the law or break their word and get away with it, it erodes the trust in the institutions and people who trade in that trust. They're weakening the bonds of society.

Very much this.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on July 21, 2021, 10:26:25 AM
Derek appears to be suggesting we get illegal immigrants to drive lorries. I'm all for that!

Poor Derek only suggesting some immigrants should help out with lorry driving and agricultural fields but the editor decides to state that all of them be sent to the fields.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on July 21, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
It's deliberate. Every time they openly break the law or break their word and get away with it, it erodes the trust in the institutions and people who trade in that trust. They're weakening the bonds of society.

Yes but they don't get away with it when they break the law - they suffer the consequences. Look - these people have to have a day off work!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/21/tory-mps-suspended-for-trying-to-influence-judge-in-elphicke-case
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on July 21, 2021, 01:15:04 PM
And here's a capitalist talking about how Brexit is attacking growth - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBBjVze4cNg
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on July 22, 2021, 12:25:48 PM
Gaps in supermarket shelves and freezers caused partly due to a lack of staff/transport because of Brexit, as well as COVID. Whodathunkit.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on July 22, 2021, 12:33:45 PM
We had literally no idea Brexit would have these effects though!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on July 23, 2021, 08:35:46 AM
This is interesting on the HGV shortage problem: https://orynski.eu/20-reasons-why-there-is-shortage-of-drivers-in-the-uk/.

One thing I hadn't appreciated before was that truck drivers from elsewhere in Europe might have a delivery in one British city and a pickup in another but would take a cargo between those two cities so they weren't driving empty, but with fewer EU trucks now coming over that's meant a whole chunk of local capacity has gone.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on July 23, 2021, 08:56:17 AM
NO IT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE LAZY RULE BREXITANNIA
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 25, 2021, 10:49:14 AM
Miliband not being shit for a change. Or is Starmer so bad as Labour leader that even Miliband - who at least didn't want to totally destroy the Labour Party like Starmer does - now looks good by comparison

https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1418833659570888704

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 25, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
The same people who called people raising concerns about Brexit "Project Fear" are now saying that no one could have known the deal wouldn't work:

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1418108159575699459

On, and it's the EU's fault for not being "flexible". Not our fault for agreeing a rubbish deal and telling everyone it was a great victory.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 01, 2021, 05:58:44 PM
Latest desperate attempt to try to make out Brexit is going well - according to Tory MP Andrew Bridgen it's Tony Blair's fault that we have a shortage of lorry drivers because of the drive to get 50% of young people into further education: https://www.indy100.com/politics/andrew-bridgen-lorry-driver-shortage-b1894645

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 01, 2021, 06:12:15 PM
Latest desperate attempt to try to make out Brexit is going well - according to Tory MP Andrew Bridgen it's Tony Blair's fault that we have a shortage of lorry drivers because of the drive to get 50% of young people into further education: https://www.indy100.com/politics/andrew-bridgen-lorry-driver-shortage-b1894645

Counterpoint - employers will have to start paying people more money to do this type of work rather than paying the minimum they can get away with and knowing they’ll be able to import any labour shortfalls. It is a win for lower-salaried workers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58047483

Same for fruit pickers etc. If you want people to do the job, pay them. It may mean taking money from the CEO’s bonus but sometimes that is preferable to going bust.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 01, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
Counterpoint - employers will have to start paying people more money to do this type of work rather than paying the minimum they can get away with and knowing they’ll be able to import any labour shortfalls. It is a win for lower-salaried workers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58047483

Same for fruit pickers etc. If you want people to do the job, pay them. It may mean taking money from the CEO’s bonus but sometimes that is preferable to going bust.
Oh, foolish, foolish, naive Ferris.

They won't increase wages.

They'll slash unemployment benefits.

Watch for it in the USA, where people aren't keen to go back to running between two crappy jobs and never seeing their own children when they can stay at home for the same money. Where the US leads the UK will follow.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: MoreauVasz on August 01, 2021, 06:38:18 PM
Oh, foolish, foolish, naive Ferris.

They won't increase wages.

They'll slash unemployment benefits.

It'll be day after day front-page ranting about how Britain has gone soft,  how everyone is a workshy scrounger. It'll be every day, it'll be repeated by the BBC, it'll be echoed by Labour, and eventually it'll seep into the social sphere and people will agree to work shitter jobs, for shitter pay, and shitter conditions. It's what happens in this country. It's what always happens.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on August 01, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
Oh, foolish, foolish, naive Ferris.

They won't increase wages.

They'll slash unemployment benefits.

Watch for it in the USA, where people aren't keen to go back to running between two crappy jobs and never seeing their own children when they can stay at home for the same money. Where the US leads the UK will follow.
A common right-wing cliche is 'why don't we make unemployed people pick fruit'. I fear you may be correct.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on August 01, 2021, 07:15:09 PM
Counterpoint - employers will have to start paying people more money to do this type of work rather than paying the minimum they can get away with and knowing they’ll be able to import any labour shortfalls. It is a win for lower-salaried workers.

Even if this is true it will be temporary, they’ll find a way round it. There was already a lot of talk about letting more Indians and young Australians into the UK to fill the void. Brexit  was never about fairer wages for the lowest paid. There was nothing stopping uk gov from legislating and forcing employers to pay decent wages prior to Brexit if they’d had the motivation
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 01, 2021, 07:26:34 PM
We shall see I suppose. I’m happy to celebrate labour taking capital to task and getting more money out of it, even if isn’t done via union and is only as a result of all other outcomes being literally unworkable.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on August 01, 2021, 07:33:20 PM
Come on mate, you’re talking about a the most right wing Tory government since god knows where with a massive majority. There’s no ‘we shall see’ about it
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 01, 2021, 07:40:25 PM
A common right-wing cliche is 'why don't we make unemployed people pick fruit'. I fear you may be correct.

They can try it but it won't work. Picking fruit is hard work. You can't just do it - it takes several seasons for a picker to become usefully productive.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 07:46:58 PM
They also have a little problem with getting the pickers to the crop.  With a migrant force, the fruit farmers usually house them on site where they can walk their own bodies to the fruit.  Getting an army of unemployed pickers, who might live, scattered around a huge area, many of them, miles from the fields and who probably don't have transport, either public or private, adds a whole nother expensive layer of logistics to a business whose model is to pay the absolute fucking minimum they can get away with.

All the DM cocks farting on about the skyving poor will have to pay properly for their strawberries soon or forgo them entirely.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on August 01, 2021, 07:54:33 PM
They can try it but it won't work. Picking fruit is hard work. You can't just do it - it takes several seasons for a picker to become usefully productive.

Not quite fruit picking but this guy is like a machine
https://youtu.be/IPUdnSyzjk0
My back could endure about 30 seconds of that
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on August 01, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
Easy solution - start privatising prisons, get loads of people banged up then 'lease' the prisoners to the farmers for fruit picking etc.

Literally everybody wins.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 01, 2021, 08:04:53 PM
We shall see I suppose. I’m happy to celebrate labour taking capital to task and getting more money out of it, even if isn’t done via union and is only as a result of all other outcomes being literally unworkable.
Hey, I would love it, love it, if the outcome of the global pandemic and/or Brexit was better pay for the workers. I just can't see it happening under governments who put the needs of the bosses over the needs of the workers.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 08:08:05 PM
Easy solution - start privatising prisons, get loads of people banged up then 'lease' the prisoners to the farmers for fruit picking etc.

Literally everybody wins.

Except the people that want to eat fruit. 

As Paul said, fruit picking's not just a thing anyone can do immediately.  But it's like all this stuff, isn't it?  Child-minding, care for the elderly, washing up, cleaning and so on, any dull cunt paid nowt can do it, until it's your kid or the plate you want to eat off.  Then we suddenly discover how important it is to have a scrupulously clean hospital.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 01, 2021, 08:19:15 PM
Come on mate, you’re talking about a the most right wing Tory government since god knows where with a massive majority. There’s no ‘we shall see’ about it

Yeah fair point. This sounds like I’m being sarcastic, but actually they probably will just be shits about it somehow won’t they?

For now, I’m happy lorry drivers are getting an extra few quid at the expense of large companies.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on August 01, 2021, 08:57:05 PM
Hey, I would love it, love it, if the outcome of the global pandemic and/or Brexit was better pay for the workers. I just can't see it happening under governments who put the needs of the bosses over the needs of the workers.
I would have seriously considered voting for Brexit if that had been a certified outcome. Not under this cunt government though.

And I hate the idea that anyone can pick fruit. I can't. As in, I am fucking disabled and being on my feet for a long period of time will result in me ending up in pain for days; I'm still paying for Bob Vylan and that was just a gig. And not everyone lives near farmland, unless companies fancy bussing loads of people in.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: All Surrogate on August 01, 2021, 09:08:47 PM
I can only imagine that persistent difficulties in finding veg/fruit pickers would lead to a greater effort to automate it, and I think there are already attempts to do so. How successful they are, or how soon they could be made successful, I don't know.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 01, 2021, 09:10:20 PM
You can’t automate picking fruit. It just isn’t possible.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 01, 2021, 09:12:42 PM
I mean, you could automate picking juicing fruit because size, quality  and ripeness don’t matter. But picking fruit to be sold for eating is a skilled job. Unless supermarkets agree to buy any old shit whether or not it’s edible or saleable, automating fruit picking won’t happen.

What you leave on the tree is just as important as what you put in the collection bins.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on August 01, 2021, 09:18:38 PM
Yeah fair point. This sounds like I’m being sarcastic, but actually they probably will just be shits about it somehow won’t they?

For now, I’m happy lorry drivers are getting an extra few quid at the expense of large companies.

Oh as poirots said, I would also love to be wrong about this but these cunts will always find poor people from somewhere to fill the void
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 01, 2021, 09:20:31 PM
Making a massive show of persecuting illegal immigrants while quietly leaving the channels open for people smugglers would be a good start.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 01, 2021, 09:46:47 PM
You can’t automate picking fruit. It just isn’t possible.

If they diverted the funding from making robots that can climb mountains and shoot a man's face off from 5 miles away, I bet they could get one to recognize a nice strawberry and delicately pick it. I reckon.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 10:10:15 PM
Heheh, or they could divert that money into paying people adequately to work but where would be the fun or logic in that, eh?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 01, 2021, 10:23:32 PM
But then we'll be drowning in robots that can climb mountains and shoot a man's face off from 5 miles away! You really have to think these things through!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Key on August 02, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
If they diverted the funding from making robots that can climb mountains and shoot a man's face off from 5 miles away, I bet they could get one to recognize a nice strawberry and delicately pick it. I reckon.

I can imagine armies of shiny T-800 terminators decked out in polo shirts and straw boaters cutting through strawberry groves like termites. They'll really have to be careful squeezing for ripeness with those hydraulic titanium claws.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 02, 2021, 04:58:18 PM
I can imagine armies of shiny T-800 terminators decked out in polo shirts and straw boaters cutting through strawberry groves like termites. They'll really have to be careful squeezing for ripeness with those hydraulic titanium claws.

No, no, they have lasers that measure sugar levels.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 03, 2021, 03:57:46 PM
Not my picture, how one supermarket is dealing with the gaps on its shelves. Like something from a dystopian film.

https://imgur.com/oAjwQWp
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: gilbertharding on August 03, 2021, 04:04:36 PM
Not my picture, how one supermarket is dealing with the gaps on its shelves. Like something from a dystopian film.

https://imgur.com/oAjwQWp

Or The Goon Show: "I'll pay for this picture of some food with this picture of a five pound note."
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 03, 2021, 04:09:17 PM
Not my picture, how one supermarket is dealing with the gaps on its shelves. Like something from a dystopian film.

https://imgur.com/oAjwQWp

That looks like Jack's, the Tesco spin off that's in about 13 locations and relies heavily on the Union Jack & British branding. Perhaps not what most of us will see in our local supermarket.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 03, 2021, 04:12:27 PM
Never heard of them before, but looking at their website some of their food suppliers are holding banners with text on them, seems ideal for some gentle photoshopping:

https://www.jacks-uk.com/producers
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: olliebean on August 03, 2021, 08:42:04 PM
Never heard of them before, but looking at their website some of their food suppliers are holding banners with text on them, seems ideal for some gentle photoshopping:

https://www.jacks-uk.com/producers

Looks to me like they've already been photoshopped.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 04, 2021, 06:19:15 PM
Carole Malone trying to stir up outrage about the EU charging UK residents for visas now we are no longer members of the EU, like most other countries do.

Does Malone gets annoyed about the US charging UK residents for visas? I imagine the US charges a lot more than £7.

Also, the UK plans to charge EU citizens to visit.

https://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1422860567560196099
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 05, 2021, 11:01:53 AM
Tory MP Steve Baker now calls Brexit a "political fiasco". That's Steve Baker, Minister at the Department for Exiting the European Union between 2017 and July 2018, Chairman of the European Research Group (ERG) from 2016 to 2017 and 2019 to 2020 and someone who said he originally joined the Conservative Party with the express intention of campaigning for the UK to leave the EU.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7-Xp5UWQAMOqi9?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: lipsink on August 05, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
So, Malone blames the EU for us leaving the EU. The fallout of Brexit is obviously just because the EU hates us and is being spiteful cos we left and that's why we have no food on our shelves. I can see this approach catching on.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 09, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
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A letter to Boris Johnson sent a fortnight ago by James Ramsbotham called on the prime minister to save the north-east from the “damage being done to our economy” by Brexit and urged him to give it his “most urgent and personal attention”. Two weeks later, it remains unanswered.

Ramsbotham is the chief executive of the North East England Chamber of Commerce and speaks for thousands of businesses caught by the red tape and extra costs of complying with EU rules. In a recent survey, 38% of members said sales to Europe had fallen since January.

“This is not teething problems,” he says. “Our ports face the EU and our region has the highest proportion of any exporting to the EU. It is vital that more barriers come down.”.
...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/09/no-strategic-plan-brexit-james-ramsbotham-north-east-chamber-of-commerce
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 10, 2021, 06:10:39 PM
Bad news for residents of Kent:

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Emergency powers to handle post-Brexit queues of lorries heading for France are being made permanent, signalling the government expects further cross-Channel disruption.

Operation Brock, a traffic management system designed to cope with queues of up to 13,000 lorries heading for mainland Europe across Kent, was meant to end by October 2021, after being extended once when the Brexit transition period ended in December 2020.

But ministers are planning to make the provisions indefinite by removing “sunset clauses” from the legislation that set out when the powers would expire, the Guardian has learned.

It means the emergency protocol can be activated at any time to govern the flow of lorries around the Port of Dover and Channel tunnel at Folkestone with contraflow systems...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/10/emergency-brexit-powers-for-lorry-queues-to-be-made-permanent
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on August 10, 2021, 06:33:15 PM
It's what we wanted. All of us. So we will enjoy wallowing in our own filth. Thank you
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on August 10, 2021, 09:06:43 PM
I’m getting really bored with all this winning now
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: mothman on August 10, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
Yeah, enough with all these sunlit uplands, we’re British, we like grey skies, clouds and drizzle.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 11, 2021, 05:16:32 AM
Yeah, enough with all these sunlit uplands, we’re British, we like grey skies, clouds and drizzle.

Dreary Downlands.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 08:43:06 AM
Brexiters have so many walls of defence protecting their core view that unfortunately anything short of large chunks of England falling into the sea won't be enough, and even then that will be the EU's fault.

It's clear that quietly some of them have realised it's going badly and hasn't been the thrill rush of sticking it to Johnny Foreigner and bloody well making our own way unfettered on the high seas that they hoped, but there's nothing like the British for stewing in our own piss rather than admitting there's a problem and changing the plans.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 11, 2021, 08:48:20 AM
Brexiters have so many walls of defence protecting their core view that unfortunately anything short of large chunks of England falling into the sea won't be enough, and even then that will be the EU's fault.

It's clear that quietly some of them have realised it's going badly and hasn't been the thrill rush of sticking it to Johnny Foreigner and bloody well making our own way unfettered on the high seas that they hoped, but there's nothing like the British for stewing in our own piss rather than admitting there's a problem and changing the plans.

Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on August 11, 2021, 08:51:07 AM
Even in my industry which relies heavily on import/export with EU, some people still won't admit to just how much the Brexit they wanted has utterly shafted everything, causing scarcity of parts and components (leading to massive price increase) and transit delays. It's always someone else's fault.

Those same people are also the ones who aren't even bothering to pretend Brexit is a supposedly beneficial thing they voted for anymore, it's just something shit "that happened" and we all have to deal with now. Thoroughly fucking depressing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on August 12, 2021, 11:04:39 PM
Never heard of them before, but looking at their website some of their food suppliers are holding banners with text on them, seems ideal for some gentle photoshopping:

https://www.jacks-uk.com/producers

Joe Button looks like he could crush a horse skull with one hand

(https://digitalcontent.api.tesco.com/v1/media/roi/producers/potato-farmer2.jpeg)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 15, 2021, 10:15:18 AM
Quote
‘Red Wall‘ and other poorer areas of England will lose up to £1bn of development cash this year because of Brexit, despite Boris Johnson’s vow to “level up” the country.

The government promised to match the grants – to build local economies by attracting businesses and jobs – when the UK left the EU, but has yet to set up a promised replacement fund.

Instead, just £220m is being made available across the whole of the UK for 2021-22, and no money has yet been handed out at all – even though the financial year is nearly halfway over...

Areas of the North and Midlands, many of which switched to the Tories at the 2019 election after the prime minister’s “levelling up” pledge, received £500m a year from EU Structural Funds, new analysis shows.

Now they will receive only a slice of the stopgap £220m Community Renewal Fund – amid further anger that councils had to put in bids, rather than be allocated cash according to need...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-red-wall-levelling-up-b1901999.html
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
*larry david fainting gif*
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 15, 2021, 11:08:04 AM
Joe Button looks like he could crush a horse skull with one hand

(https://digitalcontent.api.tesco.com/v1/media/roi/producers/potato-farmer2.jpeg)

These are the 'big boys on farms' Partridge warned us about.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 15, 2021, 11:09:30 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-red-wall-levelling-up-b1901999.html

I assume we've all had heart attacks and died from being not surprised.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 15, 2021, 11:18:07 AM
Bit low-effort, but...

(https://i.imgur.com/OsxYgJK.png)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on August 15, 2021, 11:23:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qImeZQt.png)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: mothman on August 15, 2021, 06:16:52 PM
If I didn’t know he was dead, I’d be asking if Keith Flint had retired to the Shires to live on his millions.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 15, 2021, 06:40:23 PM
It sounds more and more like what the Tories should've done was just tell everyone that they were leaving the EU and then not left. Just stick a wipe-clean picture of a big Union Jack on the passports or something. "oh yeah see this means we Brexited but everything's the same".
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 15, 2021, 08:26:19 PM
Joe Button looks like he could crush a horse skull with one hand

(https://digitalcontent.api.tesco.com/v1/media/roi/producers/potato-farmer2.jpeg)

Turning into a potato from bottom up
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 16, 2021, 01:39:49 AM
Turning into a potato from bottom up

(https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/YDZ1mje1-E35r-uUF2z4ucrkXri1bdbGB8zEPv8pxLE.png)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on August 20, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Quote
Not enough turkeys for Christmas due to Brexit

They didn’t vote for this!

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 29, 2021, 02:11:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E98acITXIAUGWXv?format=jpg&name=small)

Maybe they could unite in some form of union.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 29, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
Also: List of Tory MP's who have been funding the ERG using public money:

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Analysis of expenses data which I undertook for Byline Times reveals which Tory MPs have, in effect, used taxpayer cash to fund their membership fees to this controversial body.

MPs pay into their parties’ research units using funds from their office budgets. What is unique about the ERG is that it has been described as a ‘party within a party’, with many Tory MPs funding the Conservative research service and the ERG’s at the same time.

https://leftfootforward.org/2021/08/here-are-the-tory-mps-who-are-paying-tax-payer-cash-to-the-european-research-group/
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Wet Blanket on August 29, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E98acITXIAUGWXv?format=jpg&name=small)

Maybe they could unite in some form of union.

That's from the Mail on Sunday which backed remain even before the referendum. When it was under Geordie Grieg or whatever his name is he always took the opposite party line of the daily paper due to a personal beef with Paul Dacre.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 02, 2021, 04:01:30 PM
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Exports of food and drink to the EU have suffered a “disastrous” decline in the first half of the year because of Brexit trade barriers, with sales of beef and cheese hit hardest.

Food and Drink Federation (FDF) producers lost £2bn in sales, a dent in revenue that could not be compensated for by the increased sales in the same period to non-EU countries including China and Australia.

Dominic Goudie, head of international trade at the FDF, said: “The return to growth in exports to non-EU markets is welcome news, but it doesn’t make up for the disastrous loss of £2bn in sales to the EU. It clearly demonstrates the serious difficulties manufacturers in our industry continue to face and the urgent need for additional specialist support.”...

John Whitehead, director of the Food and Drink Exporters Association, said: “There is growing evidence that the complexity of trading with the EU has led to businesses moving operations into Europe and of importers looking for alternative suppliers, contributing to the ongoing decline in both UK exports and UK jobs.”...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/02/brexit-uk-food-drink-exports-eu-disastrous-decline
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Hundhoon on September 03, 2021, 07:45:34 AM
It's been half a decade yet I still see the editors at Twitter (site I rarely go on anymore)  promoting FBPE# Brexit algorithms. Most have not much real engagement. When do you reckon it will stop being a thing for these people..been quite a long time, 2023 maybe? Will they accept we will never rejoin the EU I mean
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on September 03, 2021, 10:14:53 AM
At this rate, you'll all looking at your twitter on tin cans with lengths of string between, good luck to you, you proud island race!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on September 03, 2021, 02:59:44 PM
When do you reckon it will stop being a thing for these people..been quite a long time, 2023 maybe? Will they accept we will never rejoin the EU I mean

Oh I expect they will when all those Brexit benefits appear, any day now
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on September 03, 2021, 03:09:23 PM
Just wait until that Brexit dividend is paid into their bank accounts. It'll go a small distance to making up for the food price inflation and increased medical care costs.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on September 03, 2021, 03:16:21 PM
Yeah but FPBE isn't about being a remainer is it? I'm a remainer and I'm definitely not one of them.

It's a badge to say rich centrist grown up, isn't it?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 03, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
Brexit was the right wing idea that if we left the EU, everything would go back to how it was in the good old days circa 1945 - 1973.

FBPE is the liberal left idea that if we rejoin the EU, everything will go back to how it was in the good old days circa 1992 - 2012.

Both ideas were and are very, very wrong.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on September 03, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
Yeah but FPBE isn't about being a remainer is it? I'm a remainer and I'm definitely not one of them.

It's a badge to say rich centrist grown up, isn't it?
Also a Remainer, also can't stand FBPE. They make me cringe. Never mind food shortages or job losses, MUH DOGGY PASSPORT!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on September 03, 2021, 09:15:56 PM
Yeah but FPBE isn't about being a remainer is it? I'm a remainer and I'm definitely not one of them.

It's a badge to say rich centrist grown up, isn't it?

Yes, never seen an FBPE who didn't immediately reveal their utter cuntitude.  Fuck me, those fucks are fucks.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on September 03, 2021, 09:50:39 PM
They're the Remainers who really were worried about dinner party supplies, the second home in the Dordogne and having to find Ollie and Olivia's shoes in the morning because Kasia's gone back to Poland. The people that the Biggys pretended all remainers were.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 04, 2021, 11:00:07 AM
Also the type of Remainers who said next to nothing about Cameron's austerity because it didn't affect them, if he hadn't called the Brexit referendum they'd still love him.
Mind you, if he hadn't called the Brexi t referendum he might still be Prime Minister.They'd still be talking about "SamCam", remember when the media were obsessed with her? FBPE types loved her as well.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 07, 2021, 05:25:15 PM
I didn't see "more untreated sewage being dumped near you" on the side of the Leave campaign bus

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-rWX6IXIAEWUCo?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Via https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1435195547816759296
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on September 09, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
Three are the latest mobile company to bring back roaming charges. For new or upgrading customers after 1 October no more Go Roam from 23 May 2022, instead £2 / day max in the EU or £5 / day max elsewhere.

https://www.threemediacentre.co.uk/content/three-uk-statement-on-roaming/
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Better Midlands on September 09, 2021, 12:32:01 PM
(Cameron) if he hadn't called the Brexit referendum they'd still love him.
Mind you, if he hadn't called the Brexit referendum he might still be Prime Minister.

If he was still PM he wouldn't have had the opportunity to earn(?) those Greensill millions.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 09, 2021, 12:32:41 PM
How are Leavers spinning the roaming charges? Claiming it's people own fault for leaving the fair island of roast beef and Yorkshire pudding?

Not sure how they can spin the untreated sewage. I'm sure they'll try though, although it doesn't seem to be in the media much.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on September 09, 2021, 12:34:37 PM
Nah, they just won't mention it.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 09, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
"What about all the turds on our beaches?"

"I see no shit"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: robhug on September 09, 2021, 12:51:31 PM
but its british shit on british beaches and thats what i voted for and boris has delivered yet again
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on September 09, 2021, 12:54:40 PM
It's probably coming from all those illegal immigrant boats

No look it's coming from that big pipe on the shore

Don't cancel me, snowflake
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on September 10, 2021, 12:02:00 PM
If I'm understanding it right, the sewage problem is worse than the reports have said because if the filter beds don't have the necessary ferric sulphate then they will become damaged and getting them back into a usable state will be much more difficult.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: robhug on September 10, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
the more I read about this sewage problem, the more it stinks.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on September 10, 2021, 06:47:59 PM
"What about all the turds on our beaches?"

"I see no shits"

I liked this but that missing "s" was driving me insane. Sorry.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 16, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
Marks & Spencer has said it is closing 11 of its French stores because of problems supplying them with fresh and chilled foods since Brexit.

Not sure how many jobs per store that is but it's not great news for the French jobs market. I'm sure that job losses in France will be seen as a victory by some Leavers.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on September 17, 2021, 02:17:57 AM
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https://www.ft.com/content/23569cd6-edc1-475e-956a-53ffe5ac5f1c

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   Boris Johnson’s government has promised it will legislate to allow British traders to sell their wares in pounds and ounces, rather than grammes and kilos, as it unveiled plans to seek a deregulatory dividend from Brexit.

I'll take a rod, three chains and a inch of rope my good man, and if you don't help me, I'll take you to BREXIT COURT
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 02:18:40 AM
The Metric Martyrs are looking down from Imperial Heaven and smiling.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: gilbertharding on September 17, 2021, 11:07:27 AM
The crown stamp back on pint glasses. Sorry, 'proudly adorning' (according to the Telegraph) pint glasses.

There was absolutely nothing stopping UK pint glasses having the crown stamp (in addition to a CE mark) up until this point. Who are these people?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: phantom_power on September 17, 2021, 11:11:10 AM
If you are looking at what is stamped on your pint glass you must have some fucking boring mates
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on September 17, 2021, 11:11:57 AM
The crown stamp back on pint glasses. Sorry, 'proudly adorning' (according to the Telegraph) pint glasses.

There was absolutely nothing stopping UK pint glasses having the crown stamp (in addition to a CE mark) up until this point. Who are these people?

Ahhhhhh just tastes more British doesn't it. Another Heineken thanks.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on September 17, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
Identity politics smdh
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on September 17, 2021, 01:39:14 PM
Those old units were just based on whatever anyone happened to have lying around at the time weren't they?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 01:51:14 PM
Snickers to go back to Marathon.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on September 17, 2021, 02:45:22 PM
Can't wait til we can start basing our British paints back on good, old-fashioned British lead.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: mobias on September 17, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Interesting twitter thread here about why the imperial weights thing is a total load of bollocks. https://twitter.com/PippaMusgrave1/status/1438559713604608003
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 17, 2021, 02:52:45 PM
Can't wait til we can start basing our British paints back on good, old-fashioned British lead.

And the old phosphorescent paint that was full of radioactive material to get stuff glowing like in the old days.

Just get Timex done.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on September 17, 2021, 02:54:17 PM
Interesting twitter thread here about why the imperial weights thing is a total load of bollocks. https://twitter.com/PippaMusgrave1/status/1438559713604608003

Quote
5.  We have a national shortage of Weights and Measures Inspectors.  Are you going to pay for new inspectors to be trained (which currently takes 6 years)?

Might do this if they offer
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
Get asbestos back in our schools.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: An tSaoi on September 17, 2021, 03:28:50 PM
Interesting twitter thread here about why the imperial weights thing is a total load of bollocks.

I reckon all the official business will still be done in metric, and essentially nothing will change, except butchers and market traders will be allowed to write imperial measurements in marker on those high-vis star-shaped labels, without being required to display the metric equivalent (which everything will still be based on). In that "specific and limited" sense, the idea could be carried out without really doing anything, and cranky old gits will feel like they finally got one over on Fritz.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on September 17, 2021, 03:36:55 PM
Don't most market traders just do fixed price bowls these days anyway or is that just a London thing?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on September 17, 2021, 03:48:26 PM
Might do this if they offer

6 years to learn how to read some scales or a measuring jug?

I would love to be HM Inspector of Weights and Measures though. Or boobs.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Kankurette on September 17, 2021, 03:48:57 PM
So how are Lexiters taking food shortages?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: frajer on September 17, 2021, 03:50:07 PM
6 years to learn how to read some scales or a measuring jug?

I would love to be HM Inspector of Weights and Measures though. Or boobs.

Do you want me to weigh your boobs?

Waheyyyyyeyyyeyyy ok now fill out this form in triplicate with a BLUE pen.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Cuellar on September 17, 2021, 03:51:03 PM
6 years to learn how to read some scales or a measuring jug?

Yeah, it'd be good I reckon.

"Excuse me, that's a pound is it?"
"Hi there, here to check your pounds"

Yeah, could do that.

I don't even know what a pound is really. Apart from large scale having to translate stupid American weightlifting feats of strength into real understandable measurements.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on September 17, 2021, 03:58:31 PM
Do you want me to weigh your boobs?

Waheyyyyyeyyyeyyy ok now fill out this form in triplicate with a BLUE pen.

Can fully imagine boob inspector is nowhere near as glamorous as it sounds. Bit like how window cleaner is mainly just cleaning windows despite what those 70s advertorials promised.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 17, 2021, 04:10:19 PM
They must get tired of women going "That's my left tit inspected, now do you want to see my right one" and then pointing at their boyfriend.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 04:10:35 PM
Gonna weigh boobs in metric just to annoy the right.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
So much of the Weight and Measures Inspector's job these days is sorting out dick size arguments.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 05:08:55 PM
Come on guys, we've all been in argument about our dick size that has got so heated we've had to call in the Weight and Measures Inspector, right?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 05:10:28 PM
Measuring your cock in centimetres makes it seem bigger than inches.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 17, 2021, 05:11:19 PM
Can fully imagine boob inspector is nowhere near as glamorous as it sounds. Bit like how window cleaner is mainly just cleaning windows despite what those 70s advertorials promised.

"Phwoarrrrrr, darlin', you don't get many of these to the pahnd, waheyyyy!!! Also, I'm afraid I've found a lump."
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Better Midlands on September 17, 2021, 05:50:53 PM
Measuring your cock in centimetres makes it seem bigger than inches.

(https://i.imgur.com/8hchOQf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZVooAZy.jpg)

What a swizz
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Jittlebags on September 17, 2021, 07:58:26 PM
Measuring your cock in centimetres makes it seem bigger than inches.

That's the type of inflation that all the horny voters like.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: An tSaoi on September 18, 2021, 05:10:57 PM
I think this new policy will be a failure by any metric. Heh-heh-heh
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on September 19, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
So Brexit has screwed our energy too (https://westenglandbylines.co.uk/energy-prices-rise-after-uk-leaves-eu-energy-markets/):

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When the UK exited the EU, it did not address the many issues identified in its own plans, where plans existed. The government ignored the EU Commission papers on the topic which identified in detail what risks existed to energy supply and balancing. It is almost as if the Government thought they could just fix issues as they ‘cropped up’ after the amateurish leaving agreement. However they did not actually have the agility or energy to do the necessary grunt work. We elected to be outside the EU Internal Energy Market, even though we rely on key aspects of it. So now we have lost significant control over prices, which is being used as an excuse to use coal fired power stations to balance the grid. And yes, that has just happened in the very year of the COP26 summit.

We're paying a lot more than we used to (https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/power-prices-stay-high-as-the-impact-of-brexit-continues-to-be-felt) for energy from the EU - up to five times what we used to:

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“Now that the GB market has left the EU internal energy market, it has left the day-ahead market coupling arrangements. The IEM day-ahead market coupling process with its implicit allocation of capacity on the interconnectors has meant that power flowed from the continent to the GB market at a much lower price.

"However, with the interconnectors now falling back to explicit auctions, this has resulted in extreme prices for capacity when the GB market is under stress.”

And now a fire at the main UK / France interconnect (https://www.edmundconway.com/energy-and-inflation-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/) will mean a loss of capacity for importing energy until likely March while current low wind speeds are hitting wind power, some nuclear power is offline for maintenance and gas prices are at a record high and likely to lead to four retail energy companies going bust this coming week (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58610561).
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Bernice on September 19, 2021, 12:15:21 PM
Food shortages and rising fuel prices. Nice, good country, global Britain looking fine.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: ajsmith2 on September 23, 2021, 02:30:09 PM
US trade deal FAIL

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58646017
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on September 23, 2021, 03:20:49 PM
I love the way this gets thrown in casually, everyone forgets Johnson going on and on about how likely a US free trade deal after Brexit might be... everyone forgets that he just helped the US to screw over the French. 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: evilcommiedictator on September 26, 2021, 11:29:38 PM
Brexit bringing jobs home to good British people Latvian chicken gutters and Polish lorry drivers
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5,000 overseas lorry drivers and 5,500 poultry workers will be eligible for three-month UK visas until Christmas Eve
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58694004

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The transport secretary said he did not want to "undercut" British workers but could not stand by while queues formed.
He couldn't stand by while queues form.
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As well as allowing more foreign workers, other measures include using Ministry of Defence examiners to increase HGV (heavy goods vehicle) testing capacity, and sending nearly one million letters to drivers who hold an HGV licence, encouraging them back into the industry.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: DrGreggles on September 26, 2021, 11:35:17 PM
2020: "Fuck off, foreigner!"

September: "PLEASE come back."

Christmas Day: "Fuck off, foreigner!"
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Uncle TechTip on September 27, 2021, 04:03:32 AM
First thing they should do is demand the 30pc pay rise that was being offered to British people a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on September 27, 2021, 07:16:35 AM
It seems unlikely they’re going to be rushing over

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Digioia (the head of the European Road Haulers Association) said European driver salaries were generally higher than in Britain; new EU rules had improved working conditions; and billions of euros had been offered to fund parking areas and support companies.
“The UK doesn’t have access to any of that,” he said. “Tempting European drivers back to the UK when they also have to face the reality of customs and border checks, all the uncertainties of Brexit … We have to be realistic.”
Higher salaries, and perhaps tax incentives, might help in the short term, he said, but “a lot of money is being thrown at this whole problem in Europe right now. There’s a level playing field, and none of the Brexit-related hassle”.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/25/european-lorry-drivers-will-not-want-to-come-to-uk-warn-haulage-chiefs
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on September 27, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
First we have to chuck them out and then they don't want to come back? Ingrates.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on September 27, 2021, 09:26:53 AM
How are they supposed to sort accomadation or utilitys/mobile phones/internet etc etc for 3 months?  Dosn't seem realisitic?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on September 27, 2021, 09:33:30 AM
It's a sticking plaster though, isn't it? It's not even going to plug the existing gap, let alone the Christmas spike.

As has been said on here before, the structural problem that's massively contributing towards this is the total collapse of cabotage agreements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabotage

Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: buzby on September 27, 2021, 10:34:48 AM
How are they supposed to sort accomadation or utilitys/mobile phones/internet etc etc for 3 months?  Dosn't seem realisitic?
I have it on good authority that the HGV Visa scheme is for longer than three months. The 'they'll be back home after Christmas' is a bit of spin. It's also already been up and running for a few weeks before yesterday's announcement.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on September 27, 2021, 12:07:34 PM
I have it on good authority that the HGV Visa scheme is for longer than three months. The 'they'll be back home after Christmas' is a bit of spin. It's also already been up and running for a few weeks before yesterday's announcement.

That would make far more sense, obviously the government can’t be upfront about it as they need to pander to idiots.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on September 27, 2021, 01:01:55 PM
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@sima_kotecha
EU lorry drivers union says on #r4today “we will not go back to #England to help them get out of the shit they created themselves”. Yes he said shit.

Why would anyone, unless they were truly desperate, want to go back to a country which has used them as a scapegoat for their own problems for the past decade and which has ramped up the shitting on people from other European countries since 2016. I can't imagine there will be many takers for temporary visas to drive lorries around plague island.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: EOLAN on September 27, 2021, 02:30:58 PM
I guess saying shit on R4 is still a bit of a deal, but I am more interested if he actually said hashtag-England.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on September 29, 2021, 01:05:09 PM
Was just in Marks and Spencer and it looked...

(https://i.ibb.co/hsrt0j4/243424623-10161493936828066-6902173708295312655-n.jpg)

Spacious.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: chveik on September 29, 2021, 01:09:34 PM
i thought the expression was "You can't have your cake and eat it"??
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on September 29, 2021, 01:10:39 PM
It is.  Brexit has taken away both options.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: David Pielingtonburygrot on September 29, 2021, 01:11:13 PM
Was just in Marks and Spencer and it looked...

(https://i.ibb.co/hsrt0j4/243424623-10161493936828066-6902173708295312655-n.jpg)

Spacious.

They should change their tagline to "It's not even food".
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 29, 2021, 01:16:10 PM
Fucking EU won't even let us have shelves now is it, why can't we make good old fashioned British shelves that's what I want to know
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Better Midlands on September 29, 2021, 01:17:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nM8DFUb.jpg)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: robhug on September 29, 2021, 01:19:14 PM
blimey, even the empty shelves have been flogged there. if they get a delivery they'll just have to scatter it across the floor. 
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on September 29, 2021, 01:19:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nM8DFUb.jpg)

GET ORF MOI LAAAANDDD!
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on September 29, 2021, 01:43:09 PM
Was at the big Oxford St M&S yesterday and they'd closed off the top floors (though the escalators were still running), squeezed in a selection of what was there on other floors and badly painted over the old signs of what was on what floor. Didn't exactly inspire confidence in them.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: seepage on September 30, 2021, 02:45:04 PM
Was that M&S Marble Arch [i.e. not the Pantheon]? If so, they are redeveloping the site and plan to rent out the upper floors as offices.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: imitationleather on September 30, 2021, 02:49:17 PM
Was that M&S Marble Arch [i.e. not the Pantheon]? If so, they are redeveloping the site and plan to rent out the upper floors as offices.

Nah, Newcastle.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on September 30, 2021, 02:49:54 PM
Was that M&S Marble Arch [i.e. not the Pantheon]? If so, they are redeveloping the site and plan to rent out the upper floors as offices.

Ah - addressing that other problem of a lack of office space. This is all coming together nicely.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: pigamus on September 30, 2021, 02:53:01 PM
Nah, Newcastle.

Steve Bruce been in
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: steveh on September 30, 2021, 03:12:55 PM
Was that M&S Marble Arch [i.e. not the Pantheon]? If so, they are redeveloping the site and plan to rent out the upper floors as offices.

That was the one I was referring to. Still supposed to be a couple of years away (https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2021/03/10/ms-want-to-redevelop-their-oxford-street-flagship-store/) from them starting work on redeveloping it though.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: buzby on September 30, 2021, 03:52:04 PM
That was the one I was referring to. Still supposed to be a couple of years away (https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2021/03/10/ms-want-to-redevelop-their-oxford-street-flagship-store/) from them starting work on redeveloping it though.
If they can prove to the council the floorspace is not in use, they can get a reduction in business rates. We did the same thing with our large open-plan office at the start fo the first lockdown - barriered half of it off for the council inspection.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on October 07, 2021, 02:44:40 PM

No cake, and no chips

Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on October 07, 2021, 04:33:46 PM
Just to make it clear, there wsn't one planned anyway, just that now a potential plant won't be considered in the UK IF they do invest in a factory in Europe.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on October 07, 2021, 05:18:37 PM
Yes, they won’t even consider the UK, because of Brexit. They won’t be the last
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 13, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
Great way to make more work for underpaid, overworked supermarket staff: https://twitter.com/JohnTwelvetrees/status/1441779403017515011

I agree with what the sticker says but what do these people expect to happen? We aren't going to rejoin the EU and even if we elected a government of FBPE types I imagine the EU would say no. "Blame Brexit not Covid" does also ignore how the government's plan to have the virus let rip is making so many people sick.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on October 13, 2021, 12:40:59 PM
Would the supermarket workers be obliged to take them down? Fuck it leave them up.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on October 13, 2021, 12:44:47 PM
I imagine central office would issue a directive to managers, especially if a load of gammons kicked off and wrote to supermarket head offices.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: paruses on October 13, 2021, 06:50:46 PM
I imagine central office would issue a directive to managers, especially if a load of gammons kicked off and wrote to supermarket head offices.

Yea - bit like removing all the unnecessary wrappings around fruit and veg and dumping it at the cash register -  a worthy sentiment but it's just some poor sod on minimum wage who has to come round and clear it all up as well as mop up in aisle 2.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: jobotic on October 13, 2021, 07:14:01 PM
So the EU have offered what business wants. Expect it to be rejected as the Tories need to be able to blame the EU for all the shit to come.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on October 13, 2021, 07:33:56 PM
The thing I can't quite get over here is that these people think the problem with the Brexit deal is in the bit of the UK that hasn't had rolling shortages of basic goods in the shops.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on October 14, 2021, 03:54:11 AM
this is exactly what I voted for when I put a cross in the 'Yes' box (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58904567)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: monkfromhavana on October 14, 2021, 08:04:36 AM
this is exactly what I voted for when I put a cross in the 'Yes' box (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58904567)

I was very surprised to see Reg Houldsworth of Bettabuy halfway through the article.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/473D/production/_121073281_toytown.jpg)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Paul Calf on October 14, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
I like seeing children's Christmases ruined. It's the only way I can get it up these days. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58904567)

Everything OK at home, mate?
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: pigamus on October 14, 2021, 08:24:13 AM
So the EU have offered what business wants. Expect it to be rejected as the Tories need to be able to blame the EU for all the shit to come.

It does seem to vindicate a hardline strategy, as they seem to have offered more than the UK was expecting already, and they might move on the courts in Northern Ireland. Frustrating for those of us who want to see them tell B**** to go fuck himself.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on October 19, 2021, 12:53:09 AM
Yes, they won’t even consider the UK, because of Brexit. They won’t be the last

Interesting to see both Nisan and Ford invest then in the UK for EV cars. https://insideevs.com/news/541516/nissan-leaf-replaced-by-crossover/ (https://insideevs.com/news/541516/nissan-leaf-replaced-by-crossover/) & https://insideevs.com/news/541489/uk-ford-halewood-drive-units/ (https://insideevs.com/news/541489/uk-ford-halewood-drive-units/)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Darles Chickens on October 19, 2021, 08:25:22 AM
Isn't it pretty much accepted that the main reason Nissan stuck around is that UKGov basically gave them a huge bribe to stay. No idea about Ford.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Buelligan on October 19, 2021, 09:12:00 AM
An awful lot of public money going to support foreign shareholder's interests so's (some) British workers get to keep their jobs after Brexit.  But, if you don't think about it too much, it looks fine.  Hurrah for Britain throwing off the chains of outside interference.

Quote from: Investment Monitor
Nissan’s plans for a £1bn electric vehicle (EV) hub in Sunderland have been greeted with great fanfare by the UK government, with the investment described by Prime Minister Boris Johnson as a “pivotal moment” for the UK’s post-EU future.

The government is backing the investment with £100m in subsidies, equivalent to 35% of Nissan’s total capital investment costs, and providing the land at agricultural rates.

Quote from: The FT
The US group (Ford) will establish production of electric power units at the site from 2024 in a move that will safeguard 500 jobs. The investment is conditional on £30m of government funding, according to people familiar with the matter.

With the UK banning petrol and diesel vehicle sales from 2030, the car industry is under intense pressure to establish the infrastructure, including the supply of batteries, to produce electric cars at scale and protect jobs.

Ministers have set aside £500m in total to try to convince electric car and battery manufacturers to bring work to the UK to protect the country’s vehicle and component plants. The UK has said it will end the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2035, with some hybrids allowed after 2030.

https://investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/government-subsidies-sunderland-brexit
https://www.ft.com/content/38579e30-d4ce-4dee-9acd-52d7e6350e87
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/22/uk-gives-ford-500m-in-loan-guarantees-to-support-exports
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Theremin on October 19, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
Is £60,000 per job a good rate?

Someone clever at money help me
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: katzenjammer on October 19, 2021, 11:32:15 AM
Interesting to see both Nisan and Ford invest then in the UK for EV cars. https://insideevs.com/news/541516/nissan-leaf-replaced-by-crossover/ (https://insideevs.com/news/541516/nissan-leaf-replaced-by-crossover/) & https://insideevs.com/news/541489/uk-ford-halewood-drive-units/ (https://insideevs.com/news/541489/uk-ford-halewood-drive-units/)

(https://i.imgur.com/jf92g7r_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on October 19, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
https://uk.motor1.com/news/533700/polestar-precept-prototype-production-uk/ (https://uk.motor1.com/news/533700/polestar-precept-prototype-production-uk/)
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 19, 2021, 11:59:40 AM
https://uk.motor1.com/news/533700/polestar-precept-prototype-production-uk/ (https://uk.motor1.com/news/533700/polestar-precept-prototype-production-uk/)

Try reading that article again properly.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Mr_Simnock on October 19, 2021, 12:02:29 PM
Yes it won't be built here but it's still expanding the hub in the UK which is good.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: bgmnts on October 19, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Def want that Brummie cunt from CarWow to review that thing.
Title: Re: Post-Brexit fallout - we can't have our cake or eat it
Post by: Dex Sawash on October 19, 2021, 12:20:59 PM
https://uk.motor1.com/news/533700/polestar-precept-prototype-production-uk/ (https://uk.motor1.com/news/533700/polestar-precept-prototype-production-uk/)

I like to split polestar in 3 syllables like molester.