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Title: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on February 24, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
It's been confirmed: shooting to start in Albuquerque in the second week of March. Small parts being cast and actors being swabbed for the 'vid as I type:

https://www.abqjournal.com/2362564/better-call-saul-set-to-begin-production-in-final-season.html

What are the chances this extended 13-episode series will get an airing in 2021?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 24, 2021, 02:01:51 PM
It seems like they've got a lot of ground to cover, if it's going to end with him going full on Saul - especially if the Gene storyline is going to be wrapped up as well. I think the writers have earned our faith though.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on February 24, 2021, 02:28:17 PM
Writer Thomas Schnauz confirmed last month that they've got the plots of 11 of the 13 episodes worked out:

https://amp.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/l6px0u/update_on_season_6_11_out_of_13_episodes_written/

I trust they've figured out the ending by now, and I trust that it won't disappoint.

I'm most intrigued by the conclusion to the Cinnabon Gene thread. Those black and white opening segments get longer each season, I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being an entire black and white episode- and personally I'd love that.

Not sure how the chronology is going to work though, as the final Cinnabon Gene bit will effectively be the ending of the entire BrBa story. Will that really be wrapped up by episode 1, or is that what those three extra episodes are for? Also, a Cinnabon Gene segment that doesn't end with a bit of a cliffhanger and leave the viewer with a feeling of dread? How will that work? I can't see anything but a tragic ending for Gene but it's impossible to predict anything with this show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Poison To The Mind on February 24, 2021, 08:20:10 PM
They've made noises about being interested in doing a Gene series (maybe just one season?) after Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on February 24, 2021, 08:55:47 PM
Heard a spoiler that Kim
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leaves Saul
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and
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marries me
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instead.

Quote from: Blue Jam on February 24, 2021, 12:26:37 PM

What are the chances this extended 13-episode series will get an airing in 2021?

I'm confidently hoping for early 2022. Season 5 started filming in April 2019 and started airing in February 2020.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on February 24, 2021, 09:37:05 PM
I posted this in the Thunderbob Nobody thread but Bob is going to have to eat a few more Cinnabons to play BB-era Saul and look the part:

https://youtu.be/Xs7pTA3Nfuo

Either that or we'll get some prosthetics and even more CGI.

That anti-ageing CGI is going to be really distracting after the cast's year off isn't it?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 01, 2021, 01:25:36 PM
Filming starts next week, here's Bob with a few words and a glimpse into the BCS house:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rNB2wvy-JA

...and here's Rhea the roving Golden Globes reporter:

https://twitter.com/nocontextbcs/status/1366250196640948230

Nice home bar set-up. I can totally imagine Patrick Fabian sitting there, sipping scotch and chortling.

btw the expected air date is the first quarter of 2022, iirc filming is expected to be done by October. Started this thread a bit prematurely then but what the hell, we start the video game threads even earlier.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on March 03, 2021, 10:37:03 PM
This channel uploads a lot of cool Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul extras/behind the scenes stuff. These two videos that just went up this week are Vince Gilligan's detailed commentary on the ambush scene in the 'Bagman' episode. Fascinating to hear the sort of detail that goes into these violent scenes. Gilligan is as humble and complimentary of the team as he always is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgx1tlIW8GU&ab_channel=MoviesBreaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nu9UsX3ZYw&ab_channel=MoviesBreaker
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Petey Pate on March 04, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Love this show and can't wait for the final season, but can't help but feel that filming during a pandemic is prime example of FUCKDOWN USA. Hoping its all done safely, and that Jonathan Banks and Mark Margolis are both vaccinated.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on March 04, 2021, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: Petey Pate on March 04, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Love this show and can't wait for the final season, but can't help but feel that filming during a pandemic is prime example of FUCKDOWN USA. Hoping its all done safely, and that Jonathan Banks and Mark Margolis are both vaccinated.

The last series was released around the time shit started to get real with the virus in America, and I remember constantly fearing the worst for them. Mike looks almost as old as Prince Phil.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 20, 2021, 10:33:35 AM
Another series of Employee Training on the way, plus 'Slippin' Jimmy', an animated series:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BetterCallSaul/status/1372943412962426887

They've already done an Employee Training series for both Madrigal Electromotive and Los Pollos Hermanos, what's left? This next one must be HHM, surely? Oh please tell me Howard Hamlin will be fronting this one. I love that total asshole.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Twit 2 on March 20, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
Still my favourite TV show ever.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on March 20, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: Twit 2 on March 20, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
Still my favourite TV show ever.

Mine too.

I miss this programme so much that I had a dream about it the other night. The first episode of the next series was weird - no Cinnabon Gene for starters - and reintroduced Walter, who spent most of the episode driving down a steep hill in the rain. Jimmy had slept with a woman who may or not have been Jesse's girlfriend Jane, and turned up at her house only to find she was married and wasn't home. He had to try and make normal conversation with her husband while making his excuses for being there, and then leaving.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 21, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
Oh buttgammon, how could you do that to poor Kim? ;)

I had a dream about BCS too recently! I dreamt I'd gone to the cinema to see Thunderbob Nobody and it turned out "Nobody" was code for BCS season 6 and it was actually one of those El Camino type deals where it was getting a limited cinema release and it was all finished and ready to go. Extreme wishful thinking there.

The only thing I remember of the plot was that Kim and Jimmy had a pre-school-age son and were interviewing nannies, and one they rejected for being a meth-head was played by Kaitlin Olson. Don't think that bit was wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 21, 2021, 12:04:34 PM
Also I'm due to celebrate a significant birthday in September and Mr Jam and I had been discussing a trip to Vegas before we decided Albuquerque sounded much more interesting. Of course I'd do the RV tour and visit The Dog House and all that touristy bollocks but there's so much more to do there, like the Sandia mountains cablecar, the UNM observatory where they let you play with the telescopes (under relentless supervision) and a fucking nuclear museum. BCS6 is supposed to be wrapping up in October so I could have had a good ol' stalk of the filming locations, not gonna happen now :(
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on March 21, 2021, 12:10:25 PM
I actually had a BCS dream recently. Saul was trying to rush people out of a Tesco Cafe because there was a bomb in it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 21, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on March 21, 2021, 12:04:34 PM
Also I'm due to celebrate a significant birthday in September and Mr Jam and I had been discussing a trip to Vegas before we decided Albuquerque sounded much more interesting. Of course I'd do the RV tour and visit The Dog House and all that touristy bollocks but there's so much more to do there, like the Sandia mountains cablecar, the UNM observatory where they let you play with the telescopes (under relentless supervision) and a fucking nuclear museum. BCS6 is supposed to be wrapping up in October so I could have had a good ol' stalk of the filming locations, not gonna happen now :(

Do either of you drive? Suggest a few days driving through NM and Arizona. The high desert is amazingly varied and changes completely every 20-30 miles.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 21, 2021, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on March 21, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Do either of you drive? Suggest a few days driving through NM and Arizona. The high desert is amazingly varied and changes completely every 20-30 miles.

Nope. Not really needed to drive since I left home as I've always lived in cities, the only reason I'd really want to would be so I could hire a car on holiday in places like Reykyavik, Sicily, Las Vegas, the Scotrish highlands etc so I could go on little excursions away from the towns and cities.

I'm sure driving through a desert is spectacular but the idea also freaks me out. Driving in the kind of place where if you car breaks down and you can't get a phone signal you'll be dead within 24 hours and your body wouldn't be discovered before the vultures got to it. Don't think I'd be as cut out for that sort of thing as Mike is and I don't fancy drinking my own piss.

On one of the BCS Insider podcasts Vince Gilligan said ABQ was one of the most compact, walkable cities he'd filmed in. Made a mental note of that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Petey Pate on March 22, 2021, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: Blue Jam on March 20, 2021, 10:33:35 AM
Another series of Employee Training on the way, plus 'Slippin' Jimmy', an animated series:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BetterCallSaul/status/1372943412962426887

Sounds like it could be the broad comedy show that Better Call Saul was originally planned as.

Who would have thought that Breaking Bad would be the Happy Days of our era?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 22, 2021, 10:32:09 AM
More details on that spin-off of a spin-off, Slippin' Jimmy:

https://entertainment.ie/amp/tv/tv-news/better-call-saul-fear-the-walking-dead-spin-offs-478841/


Quote'Slippin Jimmy' will be an animated spin-off set in the same universe and is currently in development.

Set many years before the events of 'Saul', it is said to set in the home of young Jimmy and Chuck McGill in Cicero, Illinois.

The series is reportedly being created in the "retro style of Fat Albert."

Each episode pays homage "to everything from spaghetti Westerns to Buster Keaton to 'After Hours'."

The spin-off of a spin-off is also a prequel of a prequel!

More like Muppet Babies than that half-hour Client Of The Week sitcom then. Sounds like they're having fun with the art style, could be very playful (Fat Albert and The Cosby Kids though? Maybe stay away from anything Cosby, guys).

It also sounds like it'll be a bit more substantial than the Employee Training series, not just a series of little promos geo-locked to the US.

I hope this won't be like the animated version of Trailer Park Boys and it'll actually be worth a watch. If they keep the same cast I'm sure it will be.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Petey Pate on March 22, 2021, 01:42:48 PM
It being animated is also surely the only way they can still utilise Bob Odenkirk and Michael McKean without stretching credibility with makeup and anti-aging CGI.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 22, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
Heh, that too! I wonder if that means we'll be hearing their voices in this- they've both got very distinctive voices, it'd be hard to cast a couple of soundalikes.

I'm not sure about the Fat Albert art style, presumably in these days of 4KHD we'll be getting something a little more sophisticated, BoJack Horseman level at least. There's some really good fan art out there, if this is going to have some retro stylings then I'd love to see something like this:

(https://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Its-All-Good-Man.jpg)

Which characters will be in this, then? Jimmy, Chuck, Ma and Pa McGill, Marco, Jimmy's first two wives, Chet... oh no, not Chet, I don't think I want to see a cutesy cartoon rendering of that...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 22, 2021, 02:16:04 PM
...no Kim of course but Rhea Seehorn is working on an animated series of her own:

Quote[AMC] is also developing 'Cooper's Bar', which is "about a "unique watering hole located in the backyard of one man's bungalow."

It comes from executive producer Rhea Seehorn, who plays Kim Wexler on 'Saul'.

Oh please tell me this one man will be
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MR ACKER!
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 22, 2021, 06:44:16 PM
...and apparently a live action pilot of Cooper's Bar was made, but it has since been reimagined as an animated series (budget reasons, maybe?)

Trailer for the original here:

https://youtu.be/0dX7WBYr7_4

Warning: Contains Racy Horn saying the words
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"I have the biggest dick in Hollywood"
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. Try not to swoon ;)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 28, 2021, 11:36:48 AM
The cast have been out getting jabbed:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exgbo0rUUAAtqVP?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Good excuse for a gun show... And yes, that's Stephen Michael Quezada on the left, but this isn't a spoiler- Today I Learned that he's a local politician in Albuquerque and his responsibilities include overseeing ABQ's mass vaccination effort. No word on whether Gomie will return, looks like his actor might be a bit too busy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 28, 2021, 05:07:11 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnCkxcT5/20210328-120324.jpg)

Wouldn't
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 28, 2021, 05:12:45 PM
^^^ if that's real then it's the worst thing I have ever seen.

Bob's evidently been avoiding those, dude looks fuckin' nails, fair play. I love Rhea's 90's t-shirt as well, very Britpop.

Looks like Jonathan Banks qnd Mark Margolis will be shielded from the 'vid then, and that's all we wanted to know. Good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 28, 2021, 05:17:01 PM
Los Hermanos Canella.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 28, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
I am actually in the process of making a curry right now and the ingredients include cinnamon, coconut, almonds and mint. Sounds a bit mad but not that mad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on March 28, 2021, 06:37:46 PM
Went to get a bacon sandwich from the canteen at work, just before end of service, and they were out of bread/toast and rolls. So I toasted a raisin teacake, slapped some bacon in and drizzled with maple syrup. Perfection. Not sure about fried chicken on what's basically a cinnamon scone with cinnamon ice cream sauce, but I'd try it... once...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on March 28, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on March 28, 2021, 05:07:11 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnCkxcT5/20210328-120324.jpg)

Wouldn't

Bit o' French toast in there as well. Why the fuck do Americans like French toast so much? Even the French aren't that arsed about it. It's eggy bread with sugar. Eggy bread for people who are too childish for eggy bread.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 28, 2021, 08:53:45 PM
I don't like real french toast much but those frozen sticks are a great way to consume pancake syrup without resorting to drinking it straight out of Mrs Butterworth's head.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on April 06, 2021, 06:25:04 PM
Some slightly spoilery news: It looks like the BCS film crew has been spotted at
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the location of Saul's strip-mall office, preparing it to look as it did in BrBa
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:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNS3tIOFzbk/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNS4l-hlXPM/

No sightings of the
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inflatable Statue of Liberty
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have been reported yet.

Good instagram account if you like this sort of thing:

https://www.instagram.com/all_about_saul/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on April 06, 2021, 11:42:27 PM
Right now I'm rewatching BB with my wife, who's seeing it for the first time and is hooked. Coupla days over the weekend, we cleared six large, yo. I mean, that is to say, we watched six episodes... Bitch!

She's taken to it much more than I expected. So I'm really unsure how she'll find BCS. Our eldest also binged BB recently but couldn't get into BCS at all, she said she found it really boring. And I think we all admit, it did start pretty slow. How can I sell it to them?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on April 06, 2021, 11:55:10 PM
Heh, it's the other way round in our house. Mr Jam finds BB "a bit laboured" and BCS "a much wittier show". And I agree with him!

Do your family like Mr. Show or Spinal Tap? Or The Big Lebowski? Mr Jam also reckons the humour in BCS is "very Big Lebowski" and I agree with him there too.

For me it also helps that the overall premise of BCS isn't utterly ludicrous and that the main character isn't a pathologically prideful sociopath, and that all the other characters are actually properly fleshed out and complex and have more than a single character trait like just really really liking breakfast (for example). Those arguments probably aren't going to convince BB-preferers though.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on April 07, 2021, 12:06:19 AM
Quote from: Blue Jam on April 06, 2021, 11:55:10 PM
Heh, it's the other way round in our house. Mr Jam finds BB "a bit laboured" and BCS "a much wittier show". And I agree with him!

Do your family like Mr. Show or Spinal Tap? Or The Big Lebowski? Mr Jam also reckons the humour in BCS is "very Big Lebowski" and I agree with him there too.

For me it also helps that the overall premise of BCS isn't utterly ludicrous and that the main character isn't a pathologically prideful sociopath, and that all the other characters are actually properly fleshed out and complex and have more than a single character trait like just really really liking breakfast (for example). Those arguments probably aren't going to convince BB-preferers though.
I had respect for you before this post. Fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on April 07, 2021, 12:35:52 AM
Funnily enough, my wife has never seen The Big Lebowski. No, I don't know how this could have happened either. I am going to have very strong words with the intermediary who arranged our marriage.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on April 07, 2021, 12:39:34 AM
Mr Jam's favourite film is The Big Lebowski. I chose well.

Gonna watch The Jesus Rolls soon. It might be terrible but I don't care, it has to be done.

Seen this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/anbacz/the_big_lebowski_references_in_better_call_saul_a/

Quote from: lankyguy95 on April 07, 2021, 12:06:19 AM
I had respect for you before this post. Fucking disgrace.

Heheheh ;) Don't get me wrong, I like BrBa (and I'm actually halfway through a rewatch myself right now) but it is daft. Quite enjoyably and wonderfully daft I'll grant you.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on April 22, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Rhea Seehorn is in new haunted house flick Things Heard & Seen, streaming on Netflix a week from now:

https://youtu.be/HCAaonjgDEA

Not a big horror fan, might watch to see The Horn doing her thing though. Hopefully this is the start of her getting cast in lots and lots and lots of things.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Dex Sawash on April 22, 2021, 01:01:52 PM
Racy's going to be
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the baddie
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, isn't she?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on April 23, 2021, 10:14:22 AM
Another very spoilery pic from filming:

https://i.redd.it/g9c3b91liuu61.jpg

Spoiler alert
Tharrr she blows! Also is that Lavell Crawford plus the white Cadillac out in front?
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on April 28, 2021, 06:04:49 PM
Looks like someone's going to be dropping their autobiography around the time season 6 airs- no spoilers please Bob:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mrbobodenkirk/status/1387441487567335432

(good title!)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on June 30, 2021, 10:47:27 AM
Update from Thomas Schnauz:

(https://i.redd.it/uw3zf8t1yh771.png)

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomSchnauz/status/1407826098637791232

Sounds like they're approaching the halfway point then.

In slightly related news I recently started watching Superstore season 1 and was delighted to spot the inventor of Tony The Toilet Buddy as a customer in episode 7. Buying a coffee machine rather than a creepy talking sex toilet, sadly
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mr. logic on June 30, 2021, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: lankyguy95 on April 07, 2021, 12:06:19 AM
I had respect for you before this post. Fucking disgrace.

I know you're joking, but I honestly don't get this either. Blue Jam writes terrifically about all manner of things, but I can't ever get past this idea that Better Call Saul is in anyway superior to Breaking Bad. It's just impossible for me to imagine people thinking that. Is is just me that finds BCS utterly pedestrian and forgettable?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: colacentral on June 30, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
I feel the same. The chemistry between Walt and Jesse is what makes Breaking Bad what it is, that and Cranston's incredible performance, specifically the way that he can convey all the different facets of Walt's bullshittery.

I love Mr. Show and Bob Odenkirk but Saul has never been a particularly funny character to me. I unfairly compare him to Lionel Hutz in my mind, but the only properly funny laugh out line I can remember from him is the line about convincing himself he looked like Kevin Costner. I much preferred the character in his season 2 appearances, when there was a bit more of a sinister edge to him.

Better Call Saul to me feels, as mr. logic says, pretty pedestrian compared to BB. It's written cleverly, in terms of the mechanics of some of the plotting, but I don't feel anything from it and have no desire to rewatch.

The supporting cast of both BB and Saul leave a lot to be desired, but I still think Saul's is much worse by a wide margin, not least because Gus and Mike were caricatures to begin with, and they're still the two standouts after Saul / Jimmy himself.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on June 30, 2021, 05:10:13 PM
I guess I just prefer the tragic Jimmy/Gene to the comedic Saul... I love Mr. Show too but I think if you come to BCS hoping for The Shouty One From Off Mr. Show to make lots of witty quips you're going to be disappointed. Nah, give me a load of utterly bleak and heartbreaking tragedy pls.

That said, I got Mr Jam into it when he caught a bit and remarked "I might have to start watching this, it's a bit Big Lebowski" and then he did, and he declared it a much wittier show than Breaking Bad, and I have to agree. It's comedic in a different way from having one comic relief character breeze in occasionally to deliver a few one-liners.

I had my doubts about BCS after finishing BB. I'll admit I hadn't paid that much attention to Saul and wasn't sure how the comic relief character played by a comedian could possibly work as a lead character, but I have just finished a rewatch of BB and the character was a lot more complex than I remembered. I could see how a few seeds for BCS had been sewn- for example, how the Saul Goodman persona is a double-edged sword which leads people to underestimate him instead of figuring out that he's a criminal mastermind, but it also means he struggles to get respect from his clients, who can't take him entirely seriously and are unfortunately "immune to good advice"- and then ignore his advice at their peril, before they come crawling back for an I Told You So. He's an unlikely "Only Sane Man" character.

I was also surprised to find myself really enjoying Saul's relationship with Skyler as I hadn't remembered their interactions much at all. She finds him utterly repellent and will happily let him know (https://youtu.be/2KvRpO7oNNA?t=246), and her whole attitude is "Urggghh, just sort this out so I can get out of your tacky little office and take a shower, you sleazy little man". Then when her bright idea to use her feminine wiles to make Ted pay his IRS bill backfires, Saul has another I Told You So moment when he talks about her having "rose-coloured glasses" for Ted. It's like he's telling her "You think I'm sleazy? I'm not the one who fucked Ted, pal". Or perhaps "Come come Mrs White, you derive as much pleasure from sleazing as I do".

Of course he knows about the whole I Fucked Ted scenario because Walt told him, because he's the only person Walt trusts enough to discuss personal issues with and he treats him a bit like a therapist. A bit like Lalo trusting him ahead of his family? To paraphrase Kim, you're in trouble if you trust Saul Goodman above your own family.

Never got the Skyler hate, still don't get it now. I also really liked the relationship between Skyler and Marie, especially the way Marie knows exactly how to push her buttons. And little things like Marie wearing a skimpy outfit to be the centre of attention at Walt's birthday party, and dressing up for the local news crew.

Another thing that really surprised me is how I found Jesse much less likeable than before. I know people often have that reaction to Walt on a rewatch, finding they start to dislike him earlier, but I think I noticed his sociopathic tendencies pretty early on the first time. Watching again, Jesse is naive and a bit adorable but I remember starting to really dislike him when he asked Andrea "What kind of a mother are you?" when she wanted to buy from him, and this was after "Peekaboo" when he got to see the effects of his criminal activity up close. I just found him a massive hypocrite then. Aaron Paul's great in the role of course but I found Jesse a lot less likeable on a rewatch. Yeah, he's great with children... not a good person really though is he? Easier to root for than Walt I guess.

I liked Hank a lot more than I did on my first watch. A character who seems pretty despicable and bigoted at first but goes through some proper character development and ends up being the closest thing the show has to a hero. Putting up a macho front while dealing with some major psychological trauma and eventually accepting that he just can't fight it forever.

Quote from: colacentral on June 30, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
The supporting cast of both BB and Saul leave a lot to be desired, but I still think Saul's is much worse by a wide margin, not least because Gus and Mike were caricatures to begin with, and they're still the two standouts after Saul / Jimmy himself.

Lalo is a fantastic villain, a properly charismatic psychopath. Kim is one of my favourite characters in anything ever. And more Mike is always welcome.

QuoteI feel the same. The chemistry between Walt and Jesse is what makes Breaking Bad what it is, that and Cranston's incredible performance specifically the way that he can convey all the different facets of Walt's bullshittery.

...and I find it incredible that the lead role in BCS is essentially three different characters, all played brilliantly. I love the relationship between Chuck and Jimmy too, more great acting and chemistry to the point where it's all a bit too real for me at times.

Bryan Cranston's performance is phenomenal though, I can't argue with that. I sat through all of Your Honor purely because he was in it. I say "sat through"- actually I really enjoyed it. Cransto was the main redeeming feature, but that's a pretty big redeeming feature. If you enjoyed him in BB I'd recommend it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: colacentral on June 30, 2021, 05:21:40 PM
I actually forgot about Lalo, he is pretty great.

I agree with you on Jesse too, and while BB was airing I got into a few arguments online where I felt like the audience (and the show itself) disproportionately blames Walt for everything that transpires, when Jesse is a grown man who was already a drug dealer and knows the risks before the series even starts. But I don't want to open that can of worms again. (Not making excuses for Walt, as I think people always think when I say this, but it's a bit more complicated than Jesse = good and Walt = bad).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on June 30, 2021, 05:27:07 PM
Yes, Jesse is certainly a lot nicer than Walt, but is he a good man? Compared to Walt, I guess.

Also I guess they have that "We're not so different, you and I" dynamic going on- they're both bright and good at chemistry and could have done well if only Jesse had applied himself, and Walt had continued to apply himself, and they both have loving and supportive and generous families and friends, and reject that love and support and generosity. Walt rejected Gretchen's offer of financial help with a (magnificently nasty) "Fuck you", Jesse got a free house and built a meth lab in the basement.

I also like the way BB and BCS work together because Jimmy and Walt are such great foils to one another. There's the obvious thing of Walt "breaking bad" and Jimmy's (ultimately doomed) attempt to "break good", but there's more than that. Walt has a supportive family who rally round him and want him to pull through, Jimmy had a brother who actively sabotaged him and now all his immediate family and his childhood best friend are dead, Walt's a cold and ruthless sociopath, Jimmy is emotional and gets very upset when his actions hurt Kim, Walt is a violent murderer, Jimmy doesn't do fighting and is terrified of guns etc. Watching one series makes the other more enjoyable.

Vince Gilligan does love his foils, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 01, 2021, 12:28:40 PM
On the subject of Bryan Cranston recommendations, I love his appearance in Curb. Obviously The Bob as "Porno Gil" is the stuff of legend but the episode where Cransto is giving Larry David some world-class stink-eye absolutely floors me:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7z1o64?start=1300
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: druss on July 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
This is probably an obvious thing to say but how BCS is remembered will be almost entirely dependant on how the final season shapes up.

Game of Thrones was widely regarded as one of if not the greatest series of all time at around season six whereas now you'll be hard pushed to find anyone who wants to re-watch it all, knowing how it ends. I remember some great moments but knowing how it all ends I don't think any of those moments will land second time round.

Breaking Bad is a rare occasion of a series getting better with every season which is partly why it is held in such high regard. It is one of only two shows that I've watched start to finish 3 times (The Wire being the other).

If BCS ends with a bit of a damp squib then it will probably be remembered as the inferior spin off to Breaking Bad that was good in parts but probably not worth multiple re-watches. If the final season is anywhere close to being as good as the final season of Breaking Bad (and there's no reason why it wouldn't be with the people involved) then I think it will be seen as the slightly slower paced but equally brilliant spin off. As long as it ends well then I can't wait to re-watch it all and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it joins BB and The Wire in the three-peat club.

I hope we get to see future Jimmy and I hope he has a relatively happy ending as I found him far more sympathetic and redeemable than Walt, but the series could also work equally well as a tragedy with Jimmy's past catching up with him and/or Kim dying. I think the latter is more likely but despite it being a prequel there is a lot of tension due to the possibility of the characters' endings going either way.

Edit: And Lalo is just as good as any of the antagonists in Breaking Bad and definitely better than the Nazis.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 02, 2021, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: druss on July 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
I hope we get to see future Jimmy and I hope he has a relatively happy ending as I found him far more sympathetic and redeemable than Walt

This is a big part of it for me. One of the other big contrasts between Walt and Jimmy is that Walt has a big extended family who love him and are rooting for him, and even his ex-girlfriend and ex-best friend are all "No hard feelings- you want an indefinite sum from our billions to pay for your cancer treatment? Here, water under the bridge mate". Whereas Jimmy's parents are dead, his best mate is dead, his brother is actively trying to sabotage his career (before ending up dead) and his only friend in the world is Kim (whom he's going to lose, and who may also end up dead). Then there's things like getting roped into Cartel stuff not entirely willingly- while he's no saint, and while both Walt and Jimmy brought their struggles on themselves, Jimmy's possibly got a bit more of an excuse than Walt. I've just found it much easier to root for someone who has a good heart (as Chuck says), really not wanting him to lose it (but knowing he's doomed to lose it), than someone who endangered his family and friends all because he couldn't let go of his pride.

Interesting contrast with Jesse too. Jesse's portrayed as a sympathetic character because he gets on well with children and gets upset when they get hurt, but that also applies to Saul and Mike and we're definitely not supposed to see them as adorable.

I was reading a bit about BB lately and apparently Vince Gilligan was initially reluctant to cast Aaron Paul as Jesse because he thought he was much too pretty for the role. Do people have him down as a good guy because they're equating good looks with virtue? Maybe it's the innocent blue eyes ("Alright, I get it, he was dreamy"). I do wonder if Jesse would have been seen as more of a scumbag if the actor had been a bit more stereotypically scuzzy and evil-looking.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: druss on July 02, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
He's no saint and whilst he is technically an adult, people mature at different ages and he definitely seemed a bit naive as to the inevitability of how things would end up for him when dealing with people in that world. I was a bit of a state in my 20s so could relate to someone who seemed to have a good heart but was essentially a train wreck who rarely thought about how his actions would impact himself and others. Essentially he was a very human character, and I think that would have come through even if he looked like Skinny P.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: DrGreggles on July 02, 2021, 04:34:38 PM
I just want Kim to be OK at the end.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: An tSaoi on July 02, 2021, 07:01:56 PM
Just to wade in on the BB vs BCS debate... I only watched the first season of BCS so I can't judge it overall, but it seems to me that BB has a better hook: a chemistry teacher who becomes a meth kingpin is an inspired, almost funny idea. It gives the show momentum, a sense of purpose, of escalation. A show about an already crooked lawyer who becomes an even more crooked lawyer doesn't really cut it for me. I know it's not meant to be the same show, but that might explain why it doesn't have quite the same cultural impact as BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 02, 2021, 07:33:34 PM
Thing is, I don't think we know the full story behind why Jimmy/Saul decided to do a runner and become Gene. Who exactly is he running from? There's never any suggestions he's wanted or implicated in Walt's or Jesse's crimes. Nobody knew about Jesse's confession tape except Hank and Gomey - and the Nazis, once they torture it out of Jesse, and then steal it. So its existence can't be a factor in making him run. Nobody knows Jimmy was laundering money that we're aware of.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 02, 2021, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: mothman on July 02, 2021, 07:33:34 PM
Thing is, I don't think we know the full story behind why Jimmy/Saul decided to do a runner and become Gene. Who exactly is he running from? There's never any suggestions he's wanted or implicated in Walt's or Jesse's crimes. Nobody knew about Jesse's confession tape except Hank and Gomey - and the Nazis, once they torture it out of Jesse, and then steal it. So its existence can't be a factor in making him run. Nobody knows Jimmy was laundering money that we're aware of.

Just did a rewatch and I think it's all there in that scene where he's talking to Walt outside the carwash. Walt asks him if he's wearing a bulletproof vest, and he says something like "Well, I'm feeling pretty vulnerable now my bodyguard has disappeared, where the hell is he?" and then the penny drops that Huell is with the DEA and probably about to grass him up. Even if there's no proof that he's a money launderer he's still an accessory to several murders and a massive meth cooking/dealing operation, and facing the rest of his life in prison if he doesn't call Ed the Disappearer and start a new life as a Cinnabon manager in Nebraska.

Quote from: An tSaoi on July 02, 2021, 07:01:56 PM
Just to wade in on the BB vs BCS debate... I only watched the first season of BCS so I can't judge it overall, but it seems to me that BB has a better hook: a chemistry teacher who becomes a meth kingpin is an inspired, almost funny idea

...also a pretty ludicrous (if immensely entertaining) idea, even if you haven't grown up with the NHS. Personally I'm more intrigued by a charcacter who has the gift of an off-the-scale level of charm and who could use that ability for good, or to at least do pretty well for himself, but who can't resist the easy pickings from turning to the dark side. As Kim says in season 5,
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"Shouldn't we use our powers for good?"
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before Jimmy asks if
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helping a wealthy banking firm get a slightly larger branch is really "good"
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. It's that knife-edge he's on, the way he could have led a good life if only he had better judgement and wasn't so greedy, that makes it so heartbreaking to watch.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 02, 2021, 09:42:53 PM
Paging Ballad of Ballard Berkley: I have a feeling I am not making much sense and could do with someone more articulate to weigh in here.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: An tSaoi on July 02, 2021, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 02, 2021, 09:16:27 PM
I'm more intrigued by a charcacter who has the gift of an off-the-scale level of charm and who could use that ability for good, or to at least do pretty well for himself, but who can't resist the easy pickings from turning to the dark side

nah chem teacher to meth kingpin is better soz
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 03, 2021, 08:43:50 AM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 02, 2021, 09:16:27 PM
Just did a rewatch and I think it's all there in that scene where he's talking to Walt outside the carwash. Walt asks him if he's wearing a bulletproof vest, and he says something like "Well, I'm feeling pretty vulnerable now my bodyguard has disappeared, where the hell is he?" and then the penny drops that Huell is with the DEA and probably about to grass him up. Even if there's no proof that he's a money launderer he's still an accessory to several murders and a massive meth cooking/dealing operation, and facing the rest of his life in prison if he doesn't call Ed the Disappearer and start a new life as a Cinnabon manager in Nebraska.

It's true, we do tend to forget Huell (and assume the DEA did too, har har).

(https://d13ezvd6yrslxm.cloudfront.net/wp/wp-content/images/Breaking-Bad-Huell.jpg)

Finding himself still in the custody of the DEA, who have two senior agents missing and quite pissed off about, would be enough to overcome any residual loyalty to Saul, I guess. And if they get Kuby as well...[nb]Though it also lands Skyler really, irrevocably in the shit, as both have extensive knowledge both of what she was up to herself, and her active involvement in what Walt was doing. I somehow don't think she'd be living free with custody of her children in that scenario?[/nb]
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 04, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: mothman on July 03, 2021, 08:43:50 AM
It's true, we do tend to forget Huell (and assume the DEA did too, har har).

Finding himself still in the custody of the DEA, who have two senior agents missing and quite pissed off about, would be enough to overcome any residual loyalty to Saul, I guess. And if they get Kuby as well...

[nb]Though it also lands Skyler really, irrevocably in the shit, as both have extensive knowledge both of what she was up to herself, and her active involvement in what Walt was doing. I somehow don't think she'd be living free with custody of her children in that scenario?[/nb]

There's Walt's last phone call to Skyler, where he is really aggressive and abusive towards her and she's upset and confused, until there's another penny drop moment where she realises he knows the DEA are listening in and is trying to make her look like his unwitting pawn and give her a chance of getting off the hook. Though as you say, Huell and Kuby knew she was complicit in Walt's crimes. Not to mention the suspicious purchase of a big fuck-off carwash. Walt ignoring Saul's suggestion that Walt turn himself in for Skyler's sake was just the last bit of their "Only Sane Man/Immune To Good Advice" dynamic before they parted ways.

You've also just reminded me that I really don't give a fuck if Bill Burr returns.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 04, 2021, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 04, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
There's Walt's last phone call to Skyler, where he is really aggressive and abusive towards her and she's upset and confused, until there's another penny drop moment where she realises he knows the DEA are listening in and is trying to make her look like his unwitting pawn and give her a chance of getting off the hook. Though as you say, Huell and Kuby knew she was complicit in Walt's crimes. Not to mention the suspicious purchase of a big fuck-off carwash. Walt ignoring Saul's suggestion that Walt turn himself in for Skyler's sake was just the last bit of their "Only Sane Man/Immune To Good Advice" dynamic before they parted ways.

You've also just reminded me that I really don't give a fuck if Bill Burr returns.

Saul even commends Walt's phone call ploy, but says at best it might earn her a mistrial in 18 months, or something along those lines. And it's never further explained how deep a legal hole Skyler is eventually in, or whereabouts along the process she is when we last see her.

And I'd be curious to hear how the "use the location of Hank's & Gomey's bodies as a bargaining chip" plan actually played out, and whether it would really work or not. Suspect her relationship with Marie was and would stay pretty poor even if she didn't play the "Oh, sure, I know where your husband is buried but I'm not telling until I get a deal" card. Though her being her I think she'd just ignore Walt's advice and give it up for free, and hope for some goodwill (perhaps with Marie now on her side) after.

What's the deal with Burr again? Semi-cancelled for some reason was it? Thought he was much better in The Mandalorian.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 04, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
Burr hasn't been #CANCELLED, he just seems to be trying very hard to appeal to Reddit edgelords these days. Not unlike Gervais, except I think he did the Grammys rather than the Golden Globes.

I'd actually really like to see a David Cross cameo, maybe as a blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance in one of Saul's cheesy late night commercials or something.

Now I think about it, Bill Burr hasn't been #CANCELLED, but Bob and David actually have had a sketch cut out of their Netflix show. Bill must be well jel.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 13, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
The Gilliganverse continues to expand:

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/vince-gilligan-extends-his-overall-deal-with-sony-pictures-television-1235017785/

Quote"Better Call Saul" and "Breaking Bad" creator Vince Gilligan will stay at Sony Pictures Television for another four years, signing an extension to his existing overall deal.

Gilligan has been with Sony TV for more than 15 years. He will continue to serve as co-showrunner of "Better Call Saul" alongside co-creator Peter Gould for the AMC drama's sixth and last season, and will also develop a new project for the studio via his High Bridge Productions banner.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Gulftastic on July 13, 2021, 01:48:39 PM
Another spin off, Kim'll Fix It.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 13, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
El Kimino
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 13, 2021, 06:56:19 PM
Kimmunity.

(https://i2.wp.com/overmental.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/six-seasons-and-a-movie.gif)

Guaranteed!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 13, 2021, 11:11:46 PM
More spoileriffic pics on the All About Saul Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRPKRkerYOF/?hl=en

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The combover mullet! YEEEESSSSS!
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 25, 2021, 05:24:35 PM
As it looks like episode 607 has wrapped (https://mobile.twitter.com/TomSchnauz/status/1417893779403595777), a few more little leaks:

Apparently episode 602 will be called
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"BVD"
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Spoilery source link (https://twitter.com/tyclovehitch/status/1381026296810020868)

I have been enjoying the speculation about this. One fan theory is based around the fact that
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BVD
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is also the name of a discontinued brand of "tighty-whities" and thus Walter White will call Saul to sue the manufacturers over an underwear-related injury. I have also seen a suggestion that it stands for
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Bob vs David
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which would be one hell of a cameo. Personally, I think
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it's just "Boulevard" isn't it?
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On the subject of cameos, there has been a casting call for a stand-in for an actor who would appear to be
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John Ennis
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:

Spoilery Facebook link (https://m.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=4339323742779665&set=a.551244341587643)

Could be a bit more substantial than a cameo, or maybe we'll just be meeting
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Erin's dad
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.

That second link is an interesting one, it contains lots of details of casting calls for extras, including lots and lots of
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bikers, military types, UNM staff and students, and elders (Sandpiper Crossing residents?)
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. Lots of requests to use cars
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no newer than the 2004 models, which would suggest we're not getting a major time jump
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. Also no cars which are
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red or white- presumably because red=criminal innthis show, and only Saul gets to drive a white car?
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on July 28, 2021, 07:02:08 AM
Odenkirk has collapsed and been rushed to hospital: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bob-odenkirk-collapse-hospital-b1891895.html

Not much detail so far. Hopefully we get some official word that he's fine soon.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Get Better Saul
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: druss on July 28, 2021, 08:43:44 AM
I hope I'm not reading too much into this but I'm worried that they haven't said anything about his condition, don't they usually say "stable" if it's nothing to worry about? Hopefully he's okay.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 28, 2021, 08:48:00 AM
You die when I say you die.

Hope he's ok. It's hard not to overthink while there's no update.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 09:17:15 AM
It's the middle of the night over in New Mexico, hopefully that's the only reason there's been no updates. Really hope this is just dehydration or exhaustion from a desert shoot or something.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Petey Pate on July 28, 2021, 09:42:04 AM
Better Call an ambulance for Saul.

Must admit, I first thought of Blue Jam when I saw the news.  Hope he pulls through.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on July 28, 2021, 09:47:37 AM
Waiting for news is the real-life equivalent of one of those tense moments from the programme when you're begging Nacho or Kim to be spared.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: selectivememory on July 28, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
Oof. You hate waking up to see news like this. Hope he's well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Petey Pate on July 28, 2021, 01:15:08 PM
This David Cross tweet implies that whatever it is, it's pretty serious.  At least he's alive though.

https://twitter.com/davidcrosss/status/1420248776552423427
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 01:20:08 PM
I took that David Cross tweet to mean that he knows nothing yet. This long without an update isn't sounding good though.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: 13 schoolyards on July 28, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
I think I've seen a couple of "you got this" style tweets about Bob from famous types, which has me worried it's some kind of stroke or other possibly long-term debilitating situation.

I guess that might explain the delay in reporting - they want to see exactly what condition he's in.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on July 28, 2021, 01:27:02 PM
I'm trying not to get ahead of myself in speculating but I've been struggling not to refresh Twitter all morning and am finding it all quite concerning; no news probably isn't good news in a situation like this, but at the same time, it's still very early there.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 28, 2021, 01:43:45 PM
Blimey, hope he's ok
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: The Mollusk on July 28, 2021, 01:57:15 PM
Ugh fucks sake, really hope he's doing okay. He's my hero.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Chollis on July 28, 2021, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on July 28, 2021, 01:27:02 PM
I've been struggling not to refresh Twitter all morning and am finding it all quite concerning; no news probably isn't good news in a situation like this

yeah. this is shite. come on Bob!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 28, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
Bugger. Hopefully it's just heat or working a bit too hard. Fingers crossed...

(Don't even want to think about it, but what would they do if - heaven forbid - he couldn't continue? At least seven episodes (out of ten?) in the can, doubt they'd shelve it - I don't think... Recasting? Digital masking? All the options suck, frankly, would sooner have him well and finishing this and doing Nobody Meets John Wick And Gets Taken For A Gunpowder Milkshake[nb]I just thought of this and now I REALLY want it to happen.[/nb] etc.)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: up_the_hampipe on July 28, 2021, 02:37:50 PM
Very sad to hear this. At first I assumed it was some kind of heat exhaustion situation, but as mentioned, the tone of tweets from friends and the lack of updates is concerning.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 03:40:25 PM
The amount of cunts on Twitter oh so innocently posting he has been hospitalised alongside the information that he was vaccinated 4 fucking months ago.

I hope the anti-vaxx cunts choke on a vent while crying for the vaccine.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
It has been nice to see a huge outpouring of love for him on Twitter though. Lots of people rooting for him out there.

Had to stop looking now, over 12 hours and no news, this isn't looking good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 04:32:45 PM
Some kind words from Bryan Cranston:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CR3-S72pFCy/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 28, 2021, 04:38:30 PM
Checking in on this thread today has filled me with dread. Christ, I really hope he's okay. This is awful.

Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
It has been nice to see a huge outpouring of love for him on Twitter though. Lots of people rooting for him out there.

Yeah, he really is beloved. Quite right too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: 13 schoolyards on July 28, 2021, 04:40:19 PM
The way a lot of these celebrity tweets are phrased makes me think they've been told what's going on but it hasn't been released to the public.

It doesn't sound great, but a lot of these things can go either way in the early stages so yeah, fingers crossed big time he comes out okay.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Petey Pate on July 28, 2021, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 04:32:45 PM
Some kind words from Bryan Cranston:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CR3-S72pFCy/

'He is in the hospital in Albuquerque' doesn't match the report of Bob being flown to a LA hospital.  Wonder which is correct?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: non capisco on July 28, 2021, 04:55:18 PM
I think initial TMZ reports were erroneously saying he was filming in LA rather than New Mexico.

Fucking hell, I really hope he's OK.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 28, 2021, 05:04:57 PM
Jesus, Aaron Paul just posted "I love you friend" and a black heart

Please let him be alright
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Twit 2 on July 28, 2021, 05:10:17 PM
He better not have fucked his health up training for that stupid action movie. It was already a waste of everyone's time anyway, but if it's cost him his health too them even more reason to hate it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 28, 2021, 05:17:36 PM
Brian Cranston's post is a bit more positive, but still no real info
https://www.instagram.com/p/CR3-S72pFCy/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Bernice on July 28, 2021, 05:23:41 PM
I know it's redundant to say here of all places, but I fucking love Bob Odenkirk. Hoping for good news soon.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: jobotic on July 28, 2021, 05:24:43 PM
I certainly will think of him. Hope he recovers soon. Love him too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Carpool Dragon on July 28, 2021, 06:17:07 PM
24 hours with no update would suggest it's something serious...hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: imitationleather on July 28, 2021, 06:42:47 PM
Really concerned to hear about all this.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 06:57:13 PM
Seems more positive from Michael Mando but maybe I'm just reading too much into it (because I want good news):
QuoteLast night our dear Bob was rushed to the hospital after he collapsed on stage. Send all your positive energy and love to him and his family - let's hope to have him back as soon as possible 🖤 I love u so much, my friend xo
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: The Bumlord on July 28, 2021, 07:03:23 PM
Quote from: Twit 2 on July 28, 2021, 05:10:17 PM
He better not have fucked his health up training for that stupid action movie. It was already a waste of everyone's time anyway, but if it's cost him his health too them even more reason to hate it.


It's a great film you lunatic!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Deliciousbass on July 28, 2021, 07:32:35 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on July 28, 2021, 06:42:47 PM
Really concerned to hear about all this.

it's horrible. i really hope he pulls through
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 28, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
Another black heart...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 28, 2021, 07:48:24 PM
Oh man, the lack of news is very worrying. Can't stop thinking about him. Please be alright
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on July 28, 2021, 07:59:10 PM
I've never refreshed twitter like this for another celebrity. It's really worrying, but the reaction is a measure of how much joy he has brought to so many of us. Better Call Saul is my favourite TV programme ever, and it's so brilliant precisely because Bob Odenkirk is so brilliant.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: BritishHobo on July 28, 2021, 08:00:01 PM
Yikes, that influx of well-wishes definitely doesn't seem good. Very scary, hope he's doing okay whatever it is. As you've all said, it is nice to see how much love there is for him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 28, 2021, 08:05:08 PM
Yeah, I don't usually bother with Twitter these days, but have been refreshing it wildly for any news. People really love him
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on July 28, 2021, 08:13:57 PM
I was scrolling down the Guardian homepage and literally flinched when I saw his picture come up. But it's just the existing news of his collapse article.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Nowhere Man on July 28, 2021, 08:30:14 PM
I really hope it's not
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a heart attack or a quite severe stroke,
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but i've got to say the more time goes on without an announcement, the more unfortunate it's looking. Plus I imagine people in his close circle of friends i.e Bryan Cranston ect. wouldn't ask for thoughts and prayers unless the outlook wasn't particularly clear one way or the other. I would really fucking love to be proven wrong. Bob Odenkirk's been a hero of mine since I first watched Mr. Show.[nb]Fuck I have a lump in my throat now[/nb]
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: wooders1978 on July 28, 2021, 08:33:30 PM
Really worried for Bob - could be curtains for the show if it's something serious, even if he pulls through, but fuckit, just get better my man
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 08:40:02 PM
According to this reporter, (https://twitter.com/Snoodit/status/1420454349881282560) everybody is still waiting on an update from the hospital. So it seems the cast talking about it on Twitter do not have any insider knowledge, so best not to read anything bad from any of them.

QuoteNo updates on Bob Odenkirk from  his personal PR, AMC or Better Call Saul producers Sony TV. From what I'm being told, everyone is waiting for more information just as we are.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: jobotic on July 28, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
It's horrible this isn't it?

Really worried and I don't even know the man let alone am someone who is close to him and loves him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Nowhere Man on July 28, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
I have so much love for Bob and he's given so much enjoyment to me over the years, I don't really care about the show right now. I just want him to pull through and recover as best as he can, even if that means the show doesn't get properly finished.

I'm gonna have to stop looking at stuff about it on Twitter though, I'm probably just getting myself worked up thinking about it
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 09:38:15 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on July 28, 2021, 07:59:10 PM
I've never refreshed twitter like this for another celebrity. It's really worrying, but the reaction is a measure of how much joy he has brought to so many of us. Better Call Saul is my favourite TV programme ever, and it's so brilliant precisely because Bob Odenkirk is so brilliant.

Yes, I don't usually feel this way about celebrities but BCS is also my favourite show ever and his performance is so utterly mesmerising in it. Undone really moved me as well (and if you haven't seen it- jeez, don't try watching it right now). Love Mr. Show too, only a couple of weeks ago The Hated Milk Machine had me helpless with laughter. I also just love his comedy geekery and it's so nice the way he likes to take on comedy protégés- didn't our own Noodle Lizard say he went "above and beyond" when he asked him for some writing advice?

This is just horrible horrible news. I really hope there's some better news soon.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on July 28, 2021, 09:57:00 PM
Oh bollocks, this is NOT the sort of news I expect when I check in on this thread. Please get well very, very soon :-(
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 28, 2021, 09:59:04 PM
I'm starting to check Twitter an unhealthy amount.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 28, 2021, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 09:38:15 PM
Yes, I don't usually feel this way about celebrities but BCS is also my favourite show ever and his performance is so utterly mesmerising in it.

I don't usually feel this way about celebrities either, but I can't stop thinking about him. So worried and upset.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on July 28, 2021, 10:34:47 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 09:38:15 PM
Yes, I don't usually feel this way about celebrities but BCS is also my favourite show ever and his performance is so utterly mesmerising in it. Undone really moved me as well (and if you haven't seen it- jeez, don't try watching it right now). Love Mr. Show too, only a couple of weeks ago The Hated Milk Machine had me helpless with laughter. I also just love his comedy geekery and it's so nice the way he likes to take on comedy protégés- didn't our own Noodle Lizard say he went "above and beyond" when he asked him for some writing advice?

This is just horrible horrible news. I really hope there's some better news soon.

Funnily enough, that's one of the first things I thought of when I heard the news this morning (the other was Jimmy and Chuck singing The Winner Takes It All). Mr Show is one of my favourite sketch shows ever and like Better Call Saul, so much of it is about what he brings to it. I watched an episode the other day where he plays an iguana that's owned by an irresponsible slacker and even though he's just skittering around in a weird green costume for a few minutes, he's so funny.

Thinking about it, his work has become an important part of my relationship. When my partner and I started going out, we would either introduce us to stuff the other hadn't seen or rewatch stuff we both already liked. Better Call Saul was the first programme we delved into together that we really got into at the same time, and Mr Show is always our go-to if there's nothing on (it's also great to watch if weed is involved). It was also waiting for the next episode of BCS to come out that got us through the first weeks of lockdown, because covid hit just as that series was starting to reach a crescendo.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 10:49:51 PM
This is a nice article:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/get-well-bob-odenkirk

Right, time to stop looking at Twitter and get some sleep. I hope there's some more positive news in the morning.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Deliciousbass on July 28, 2021, 11:04:03 PM
urgh nothing more to say other than i really really don't want him to die
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: BritishHobo on July 28, 2021, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 28, 2021, 09:38:15 PM
Yes, I don't usually feel this way about celebrities but BCS is also my favourite show ever and his performance is so utterly mesmerising in it. Undone really moved me as well (and if you haven't seen it- jeez, don't try watching it right now). Love Mr. Show too, only a couple of weeks ago The Hated Milk Machine had me helpless with laughter. I also just love his comedy geekery and it's so nice the way he likes to take on comedy protégés- didn't our own Noodle Lizard say he went "above and beyond" when he asked him for some writing advice?

This is just horrible horrible news. I really hope there's some better news soon.

I've always liked how very often, when watching some new comedy/sketch show from a rising comedian or group, he will inevitably pop up, in a way that always feels like genuine support for "young" blood in the industry.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: sevendaughters on July 28, 2021, 11:50:48 PM
his son tweeted to say he's gonna be ok
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Ja'moke on July 28, 2021, 11:50:54 PM
Good news - https://twitter.com/birthdaynate/status/1420515313943302151?s=21

More details - https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/28/bob-odenkirk-heart-related-unconscious-medical-emergency-better-call-saul/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Mobius on July 28, 2021, 11:54:17 PM
Yeah it's great that no matter how famous and popular he gets he'll do little bits on Comedy Bang Bang, Birthday Boys, I Think You Should Leave.

He just seems like the nicest guy, genuinely never heard a bad word about him.

Really hope he's okay.

Edit ^ YAY at the above posts
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: selectivememory on July 28, 2021, 11:57:40 PM
Thank fuck for that.

Yeah, I've been refreshing Twitter all day as well. Hope he's back on his feet soon, but just happy to hear he's alive to be honest.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 28, 2021, 11:59:17 PM
Relief.

Someone needs to wake Blue Jam to tell her.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 29, 2021, 12:00:10 AM
Yeah that was more or less the best we could've hoped for given how long it took for there to be any update.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: The Bumlord on July 29, 2021, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: Ja'moke on July 28, 2021, 11:50:54 PM


More details - https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/28/bob-odenkirk-heart-related-unconscious-medical-emergency-better-call-saul/ (https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/28/bob-odenkirk-heart-related-unconscious-medical-emergency-better-call-saul/)


Very happy to read he's stab;e amd on the rebound
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: jobotic on July 29, 2021, 12:08:20 AM
Thank fuck for that.

As I said elsewhere this weekend will be the fifth year anniversary of one of my closest friends collapsing and dying of a sudden heart attack in his fifties. Really was scared for Bob there.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 29, 2021, 12:12:33 AM
Quote from: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 28, 2021, 11:59:17 PM
Relief.

Someone needs to wake Blue Jam to tell her.

Hello.

I can sleep now, cheers.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: imitationleather on July 29, 2021, 12:13:21 AM
Glad to hear this.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on July 29, 2021, 12:14:03 AM
Phew!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 29, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
Hearing the doctors have diagnosed him with electromagnetic hypersensitivity.

But seriously, it is great news he is going to be okay. Wish him a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 29, 2021, 12:21:18 AM
Thank fuck for that. Phew.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 29, 2021, 12:23:48 AM
Anyway back to work tomorrow, Bob. Jonathan Banks may well have even less time than you.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 29, 2021, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from: Blue Jam on July 29, 2021, 12:12:33 AM
Hello.

I can sleep now, cheers.

Can't believe you're wearing Kim Wexler pyjamas.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 29, 2021, 06:38:46 AM
Yes man! Relief

Get well soon, Bob
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: druss on July 29, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
Good news to wake up to. Fuck the show for the time being, just get better and rest.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: The Mollusk on July 29, 2021, 07:41:00 AM
First thing I checked waking up just now. Immensely relieved.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Custard on July 29, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
A good thing to come out of all this will be him seeing just how well loved he is. Hugely deserved
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on July 29, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
"Bob Odenkirk's son's tweeted that he's going to be ok" was the first thing my wife said to me when I woke up this morning. A massive relief that he's alive.

The show simply doesn't matter any more. If it ends now then so be it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Dirty Boy on July 29, 2021, 10:40:44 AM
Glad he's on the mend!

I found the first couple of seasons a bit dull (more so in the second), but since s3 i've been riveted, so looking forward to this whenever it lands.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Led Souptin on July 29, 2021, 10:50:44 AM
Amazing news! last night was very stressful, massive relief this morning.

Not that it really matters right now but I wonder if they'll split the next season into two parts now that production has halted.

Very much looking forward to Odenkirk and Cross Gone Fishing
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Ja'moke on July 29, 2021, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Led Souptin on July 29, 2021, 10:50:44 AM

Very much looking forward to Odenkirk and Cross Gone Fishing

That actually sounds great.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: The Mollusk on July 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: Wayman C. McCreery on July 29, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
The show simply doesn't matter any more. If it ends now then so be it.

"The history books will have to be rewritten."

"What will they say?"

"They'll simply say 'Odenkirk had a heart scare'. The rest will be a footnote."
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Dex Sawash on July 29, 2021, 12:03:45 PM
Waiting for an all clear for

Better call
Spoiler alert
(for) Saul(vent) to clean up any mess
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 29, 2021, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: Led Souptin on July 29, 2021, 10:50:44 AM
Not that it really matters right now but I wonder if they'll split the next season into two parts now that production has halted.

They've been seen filming at ABQ's Cottonwood Mall, which is where the Cinnabon Gene bits are filmed, so maybe that part of the story is done. Leaks have also shown Jimmy
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looking more like Saul than ever, the hair in particular
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so maybe they're already  pretty close to reaching the BrBa timeline.

Personally I'm wondering if a 13 episode run seems a bit ambitious now, especially with all the digital de-ageing it'll need. Maybe it'll be cut down to the usual 10, or maybe even 7? I imagine there will be some hasty rewriting going on in any case. Fewer desert scenes, fewer of Jimmy's angry outbursts, no herbal cigarettes? We're getting to the point where Saul starts delegating all the dirty work to Mike and Huell and Kuby, and the Saul of BrBa doesn't smoke, so it wouldn't be too jarring. As much as I love "Bagman" I think I'd rather see Jimmy on light photocopying duties (and Mike on gardening duty with Kaylee) this season.

I guess Nobody 2 is also a write-off.

Quote from: Led Souptin on July 29, 2021, 10:50:44 AM
Very much looking forward to Odenkirk and Cross Gone Fishing

Ha! Bob Mortimer has an actual law degree (that isn't from The University of American Samoa), it's been good to note that my two favourite comedic/legal Bobs are doing well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on July 29, 2021, 12:13:50 PM
They were over half way through the season with less than 6 episodes left to record. Bob will hopefully make a full recovery in the next few months and they'll pick up where they left off. Wouldn't be surprised if they show the first six or seven as one run and then the next later in the year or start of the next.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 29, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
I'm thinking more of the digital de-ageing here, for Mike and Gus as well as Jimmy. Personally I can suspend my disbelief on that front but I know some viewers struggle, and presumably it's a big task for the editors.

I agree that a two-parter would be a nice way to go, broadcast 6A while 6B is being filmed so they don't keep us waiting. Still, it's not the important thing now, as others have said it's all about Bob making a good recovery.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: non capisco on July 29, 2021, 12:25:35 PM
Thank fuck. Realised yesterday when news didn't seem great just how gutted I'd have been if he'd have carked it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 29, 2021, 12:39:00 PM
On the subject of Mr Mortimer, I'm being reminded of the time I had tickets for Reeves and Mortimer's Poignant Moments Tour when Mortimer had his heart bypass and it was postponed. I had been really looking forward to it but I didn't give a fuck, it was horrible reading about stuff like Bob Mortimer having a quickie wedding to his partner in case he didn't make it and I just hoped he'd pull through. And then when the new date rolled around it was just a joy to see him all heart-healthy and jumping around with Vic.

Good bit where he was talking about having to take it easy and explaining the heart monitor on his wrist before segueing into an "Oh, I've fallen" gag as well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 30, 2021, 08:01:04 PM
Heads up- dedicated Bobdamnit thread here:

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,88531.0.html

and David Cross with some good news:

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidcrosss/status/1421164595629248515
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Ja'moke on July 30, 2021, 08:54:40 PM
Message from Bob himself: https://twitter.com/mrbobodenkirk/status/1421195860466089991?s=20
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 30, 2021, 09:45:36 PM
Lovely news.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: The Bumlord on July 31, 2021, 01:53:51 PM
Got a tweet with a typo from Graeme Garden too. He's made it.


https://twitter.com/GraemeGarden1/status/1421379511397064705?s=20 (https://twitter.com/GraemeGarden1/status/1421379511397064705?s=20)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 31, 2021, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Utterdrivel on July 31, 2021, 01:53:51 PM
Got a tweet with a typo from Graeme Garden too. He's made it.


https://twitter.com/GraemeGarden1/status/1421379511397064705?s=20 (https://twitter.com/GraemeGarden1/status/1421379511397064705?s=20)

He might actually be pretty made up with that:

https://youtu.be/sctiTNJyizM?t=103

Come on, Bill Oddie, send him a dressing gown.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 31, 2021, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Utterdrivel on July 31, 2021, 01:53:51 PM
Got a tweet with a typo from Graeme Garden too. He's made it.


https://twitter.com/GraemeGarden1/status/1421379511397064705?s=20 (https://twitter.com/GraemeGarden1/status/1421379511397064705?s=20)

Quote from: Blue Jam on July 31, 2021, 03:58:22 PM
He might actually be pretty made up with that:

https://youtu.be/sctiTNJyizM?t=103

Come on, Bill Oddie, send him a dressing gown.

As you probably know, he also writes about The Goodies in his memoir, due out December/January I think.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 31, 2021, 04:08:01 PM
Quote from: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 31, 2021, 04:02:07 PM
As you probably know, he also writes about The Goodies in his memoir, due out December/January I think.

How would I know that if it's not out yet? ;) Have you reviewed an advance copy or something?

I'm wondering if he'll be hastily adding an extra chapter. That (excellent) title seems a little bit more poignant now.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 31, 2021, 05:19:07 PM
He mentioned it in an interview last month. I should have made the effort to find and link it, sorry.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/07/bob-odenkirk-soon-people-wont-remember-breaking-bad-saul-nobody-action-thriller
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on July 31, 2021, 08:15:51 PM
Oh yes, I had seen that, but I think I was just too blown away by his mention of The Framley Examiner to remember that he Mentioned The Goodies.

I know I joke about the possibility that he lurks on here but I do have to wonder...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 07, 2021, 08:40:10 AM
The show must go on:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSQmDMJLiqp/

No source given but All About Saul are usually on the money. Would be nice to have at least one more episode direected by Vince Gilligan.

It looks like filming of the non-Jimmy/Saul/Gene bits may be continuing. Bob's still recovering but back on Twitter and "doing great":

https://mobile.twitter.com/mrbobodenkirk/status/1423873852845682695
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 08, 2021, 09:35:20 PM
After taking in a pregnant dog and raising eight puppies while filming season 5, Bob'n'Rhea'n'Patrick have some new pets and some new babies on the way:

https://twitter.com/rheaseehorn/status/1424196787372367877

D'awwww this is like Springwatch. Let's see if they can train them to fly into shot like that one who photobombed Daniel Wormald.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on August 11, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KcInl0f.png) (https://i.imgur.com/otVrIW4.png)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 11, 2021, 08:20:24 PM
Will they pay out if your truck was set fire to by a pair of creepily silent cousins?

Confirmed writers and directors so far, via Reddit, and seemingly according to various tweets, sightings etc:

(https://preview.redd.it/sg1mrsjiylg71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=76a969e2b6c9a540e9629f210305bbebacc2ea58)

(Peter Gould?) because he always writes and directs the series opener, apparently.

Racy Horn was spotted calling the shots during the filming of episode 4. I'm very interested to see how that turns out, especially knowing one of her favourite films is my own favourite film, Brazil.

Also if you've been wondering about Bart Okendorf Bob Odenkirk's hospital radio playlist, he accidentally leaked it on Twitter earlier this week:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mrbobodenkirk/status/1424804379698221088
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 11, 2021, 08:26:12 PM
Rewatched Breaking Bad and am now rewatching Better Call Saul. Had a thought regarding Jimmy.

Whilst there is a still a few years between where we are in Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, there doesn't seem to be enough time for him to really become the sleaze ball he is in Breaking Bad. In Better Call Saul we see Slippin' Jimmy constantly change for the latest scam or money making idea whether it be practising elder law, working for a legitimate law firm or being a cell phone salesman. Is it that Saul is the first "con" that he can play and succeed as over a long period? Criminals want a sleazy criminal lawyer because they know he won't necessarily be bound by ethics (which Slippin' Jimmy never particularly is). And following that he can't stick with Gene in the same way he can't stick with any of his other scams for too long.

In many ways, this makes Jimmy a less sympathetic character. He is just a con artist looking for the easy path to success at all times. When we feel sympathy for the "real" Jimmy it is really Slippin' Jimmy conning the audience. By the same token, it makes his Saul persona more likeable when we know it is something he is playing up.

I know some of this might be obvious, I mean it is the core of Chuck's purpose for being in the show because he knew the true Jimmy and it led to his death. But I do feel that Jimmy did previously elicit a huge amount of sympathy, which I wouldn't apply to Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on August 11, 2021, 10:36:48 PM
It's true, there's still potentially a lot to happen to get from Jimmy to Saul. But as for which is the real Jimmy, I think we've seen how he is when nobody's watching, or when he's with Kim..?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 13, 2021, 12:53:19 PM
I've been thinking about this as well. One part of the show that never sat quite right for me is The Kevin Costner Incident, and while I do laugh at that scene... it's a bit rapey, no? I have wondered if it would have been better left as a little throwaway line in BrBa, just Saul coming out with some bullshit. Now I've started to wonder- Chuck's whole "I know what you were, what you are. You're Slippin' Jimmy, people don't change" might actually explain everything everything. Maybe "Kevin Costner" was the behaviour of the true Jimmy and that "James McGill Esquire" of Albuquerque just couldn't help sliding back into his true "Slippin' Jimmy" self once he returned to his old haunts in Cicero.

Maybe the only things holding back the sleaze have been his eagerness to make Chuck proud of him, and his eagerness to impress Kim- and now Chuck is dead and Kim is married to him and "breaking bad" herself there may be nothing left to keep his true nature in check. Maybe Saul Goodman isn't Jimmy McGill minus the heart, but Jimmy McGill briefly gained a bit of heart once he met Kim and his brother got ill? Once he found himself around two people he really cared about and really didn't want to lose?

Knowing how unpredictable this show is I am almost certainly very wrong though. Meanwhile, Jimmy himself seems to be making a good recovery, been for a lovely walk with the lovely Michael Mando:

https://twitter.com/mrbobodenkirk/status/1426007592296345602
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 13, 2021, 12:59:44 PM
Also I decided to give Veep another go last night, remembering Rhea Seehorn is in the final series, and then looking it up and finding Michael McKean is in it as well. I remember quite liking Veep when I gave season 1 a go before just drifting away from it, but in season 7 Selina Meyer has her sights on the presidential nomination so the stakes are a bit higher, and the cast list is intriguing. Her rival is played by Hugh Laurie (doing his Dr House accent) with Racy as his "frigid, pole-up-her-ass" campaign manager
Spoiler alert
who evidently ain't that frigid because she's also boffing him
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. Best of all, The JLD's cheerily hapless campaign manager is Andy Daly- Forrest MacNeill himself as the equivalent of John Duggan in The Thick Of It. Racy is a bit underused but always welcome, would recommend.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: amputeeporn on August 17, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I've just started watching this show (obviously I quickly scrolled past all this season 6 talk). I'm onto episode 9 of season one, and have been meaning to post here with each passing ep, to ask if and when the show improves...

Happily, I thought episode 9 (Jimmy's discovery of a nursing home scam, the deepening of his rivalry with his brother's law firm and a spectacular fall out with his brother) was terrific TV. I'm really hoping that everything that came before was just the shit they had to get out of the way first and it'll begin building from here.

I watched about three or four episodes when it first aired but fell away because everything seemed so predictable and silly. Sitting through those episodes again really rammed home how right my initial instincts were, but of course BB had a shaky start as well (although I never struggled with that as much as I did this). One thing right off the bat: people who talk about this on the level of the all-timers, your Sopranos, your Wires, your Mad Men, even your Deadwoods, are just in space. This is really silly, sometimes head-hittingly stupid stuff, but you can see in flashes where it hits its stride how enjoyable it could be. I guess I'm just hoping to hear that season one is thought of as a bit rocky...?

Lots of stuff plain doesn't scan: His Network quotes - 'It's from a movie!' Him talking his way out of Tuco killing the skate kids by saying 'Be proportionate! You want people to think you're fair!' Flashback after flashback of Odenkirk in a series of wigs (and what? Supposedly in his twenties?) as a small time conman, which serve nothing but to make it all more unreal. The one of him ripping a hit on a bong with a mullet while visibly in his 40s is just weird and pointless, but they keep at it. I'm starting to salivate at the thought of getting a scene where Mike's wearing a jet black toupee and we're watching his first day on the force...

I'm glad Mike is now getting stuck into the underworld stuff, because stuff like him being the parking attendant, then getting embroiled in the  tax theft case is so bad. The family being found camping with a bag full of cash (with the requisite tug of war over the bag that spills its contents everywhere) - is obviously rubs, and their discovery is based on some truly dubious TV logic. Mike, knowing literally nothing about the case, says: 'No one wants to leave home' and then Jimmy just walks out into the endless Albuquerque wilderness (day turns to night) alone, and just happens upon them.

Odenkirk's passable acting has, I think, improved as the season's gone on - which is a big plus - but he only really shines when being something like the swaggy Saul Goodman we know (that said, his cold realisation of his brother's betrayal in episode 9 was well handled). I think one of the reasons I checked out the first time is that Cranston's barn-storming performance was still too fresh in my mind, so I'm not holding him to that standard but hope he continues to improve.

I nearly stopped watching after the Mike flashback episode - genuinely can't remember ever being more bored while watching a show where multiple people are murdered, it was torture. I'm hoping we've now suitably set him and Jimmy up and can just go forward.

So straw poll, does this get better? My post looks quite negative, but it's passing the time, and as I say - there are flashes of the show it could be. I don't mind the odd silly moment, but probs don't want to watch five more seasons at this standard.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 18, 2021, 12:26:39 AM
You're gonna love episode 10 then... ;)

Seriously: it sounds like this show is just not for you. Bit like me and Killing Eve- I can appreciate the quality but somehow I can't enjoy it. Just move on and watch something else.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: selectivememory on August 18, 2021, 12:42:34 AM
Hmm. You might struggle with Season 2. I liked it, but it definitely felt a bit meandering at times, and if anything the pace is slower than the first season. I seem to remember that Jimmy's story across the season wasn't the best, whereas it was Mike who really carried the show. I think that's when it lost a lot of people here, though plenty stuck with it as well.

Season 3 onwards is, IMO, very good TV. Stakes get a lot higher, a lot of the plot threads finally start paying off, especially the
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side of things. Not Sopranos or Deadwood tier, but then that's a very high bar. But definitely one of the best shows of the last decade.

There is still plenty of silliness, and things that don't hold up to much scrutiny[nb]I hated the Tuco stuff in the first couple of episodes, but there generally isn't that much BB fan service, though of course, other characters do show up.[/nb]. But that doesn't bother me so much as the character work and performances are fantastic, and the show always looks gorgeous. The pace is always pretty slow, but usually it's purposeful with that, Season 2 aside. But it has moments of tension to rival Breaking Bad too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Rev+ on August 18, 2021, 02:33:27 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 11, 2021, 08:26:12 PM
Whilst there is a still a few years between where we are in Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, there doesn't seem to be enough time for him to really become the sleaze ball he is in Breaking Bad.

They've already done it once though.  The end of the first series set him up to be fully-formed as Saul when the second started, but got unpicked.  I'm sure there'll be time jumps in this final run, and at this point we only need a little bit of shorthand to get the picture about how he transforms.

Amputeeporn, if you weren't on board for the first series, you will hate the second one.  It has the classic problem with US TV series:  the first is a petition to get a second, which if it happens, ends up being a bit weak and adrift as they're now thinking of a third or fourth.  'Lost' was the worst for this, and 'The Sopranos' only escaped because they had no particular assurance that they'd get a third go at it when filming.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 18, 2021, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: amputeeporn on August 17, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
I watched about three or four episodes when it first aired but fell away because everything seemed so predictable and silly... This is really silly, sometimes head-hittingly stupid stuff...

I'm glad Mike is now getting stuck into the underworld stuff, because stuff like him being the parking attendant, then getting embroiled in the  tax theft case is so bad. The family being found camping with a bag full of cash (with the requisite tug of war over the bag that spills its contents everywhere) - is obviously rubs, and their discovery is based on some truly dubious TV logic.

If you thought the Kettlemans "kidnapping themselves" was silly then I'm afraid there is a lot of stuff coming up that you're going to absolutely hate. The self-kidnapping plot may have been influenced by The Big Lebowski, as a lot of this show seems to be- it's been described with "If Breaking Bad is No Country For Old Men, Better Call Saul is The Big Lebowski"- and while it does get heartbreakingly bleak and tragic at times, overall it's much more of a comedy than Breaking Bad was.

While it may be nothing like the wacky half-hour Client Of The Week sitcom that was originally hinted at, it's still a spin-off based around the comic relief character played by a comedian, and Gilligan and Gould wanted to make it partly because they were having a lot of fun writing comedy for a change, so you're simply never going to get too far away from the comedy with this show.

You probably won't enjoy stuff like
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in "Inflatable",
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near the end of season 4,
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in "Dedicado a Max", and much more besides.

If the sibling rivalry subplot is your thing (it's one of my favourite things too) maybe just employ the "Sunk Costs" fallacy and skip to season 3's "Chicanery" and "Lantern" to see that at its most intense.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: amputeeporn on August 18, 2021, 10:00:55 AM
Hmm - thank you for your responses! I hope my late night brain dump didn't look like I was trashing your show - I love Odenkirk and the character, and am interested in him, and there is good stuff here. I guess I'll see how episode 10 pans out (ordinarily I'd have watched that before posting but partner is struck down with Covid so we've had to press pause on it for a moment).

It's funny - the slowness doesn't bother me so much, and the actual premise of the Kettlemans is fun, in a mad American-type way. I'd imagine there are thousands of Florida-man type tales that would intersect well with the life of a low-down lawyer. The problem is the silly shortcuts the show takes in telling and resolving those stories (Mike just walking into the Kettlemans' house, wandering round and finding the money [and yes he had the UV light, but that was in itself silly, and didn't explain why no one heard or saw him - BB did have its share of those He's A Bad Man So He Can Do Anything moments, though]).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: colacentral on August 18, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
I remember thinking that season 2 was loads better and that all these cunts were mad for thinking it was a step down, for what it's worth, though I have absolutely zero idea what happens in it now. I will say that, like you, I thought the early episodes especially and season 1 as a whole were pretty dreadful, so merely not being outright bad was a step up.

It does improve as it goes on. Odenkirk gets much better at the dramatic later on too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 18, 2021, 12:42:25 PM
The season 2 opener "Switch" may actually be my favourite episode. It's definitely the one I've rewatched the most.
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Incredible chemistry between Bob'n'Rhea, all the flirty looks during their scam and the giddiness afterwards, they're adorable. Plus Daniel Wormald pulling up in his "school bus for six-year-old pimps" with a "HEY! IT'S ME!" is the icing on the cake
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amputeeporn, the next episode ("Marco") might really put you off. I guess it depends on what you think of
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- probably one of the iconic moments of the series but viewers seem divided on whether it was an Emmy-worthy tour-de-force or an irritatingly contrived situation that lays the cringe on a bit too thick. In any case it's a tough watch (and the subject matter ain't pretty), maybe just see what you think. I suspect
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may kill off your interest for good though.

I can't agree with the "Odenkirk's passable acting" comment as I thought he was surprisingly great from the start, very big range and great at eye-acting, though I didn't really know his work pre-BB so perhaps I just had no real expectations. There is a noticable uptick in quality as the show continues though, a few years' dramatic acting experience (versus zero) certainly make a difference.

I'd also suggest you keep watching if you enjoyed what you've seen of Rhea Seehorn's acting so far. She's underused in season 1 but that gets rectified from season 2 onwards. You'll definitely want to keep going until "Bad Choice Road". Much better supporting cast in BCS than in BB too I reckon, and much more complex characters for them to play with.

My one big criticism of the show is that the cartel stuff doesn't interest me as much as the rest, so I think Nacho and Lalo were the shot in the arm the cartel story badly needed. Lalo doesn't show up until season 4 but he's a fantastic villain, a sharp-dressed smiling charismatic sociopath, I find him a more compelling villain than any in BB.

QuoteThe problem is the silly shortcuts the show takes in telling and resolving those stories (Mike just walking into the Kettlemans' house, wandering round and finding the money [and yes he had the UV light, but that was in itself silly

If you'd prefer to watch Mike being slow and meticulous there are definitely moments when you'l be in for a treat...

Give "Marco" a go and please share your thoughts, I'm intrigued to know whether you'll love or hate it!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on August 18, 2021, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: amputeeporn on August 17, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
So straw poll, does this get better? My post looks quite negative, but it's passing the time, and as I say - there are flashes of the show it could be. I don't mind the odd silly moment, but probs don't want to watch five more seasons at this standard.

I didn't mind the first series, but nearly gave up after the second which I remember thinking felt like a run-of-the-mill American legal drama. I'm glad I didn't - series three onwards have been outstanding.

And while I'm not quite on the 'better than Breaking Bad' bus, the latest series was better than any single series of BB. It's remarkable how they create so much jeopardy when you already known the fate of several of the characters.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 18, 2021, 05:36:16 PM
Quote from: mothman on August 11, 2021, 10:36:48 PM
It's true, there's still potentially a lot to happen to get from Jimmy to Saul. But as for which is the real Jimmy, I think we've seen how he is when nobody's watching, or when he's with Kim..?

Quote from: Blue Jam on August 13, 2021, 12:53:19 PM
I've been thinking about this as well. One part of the show that never sat quite right for me is The Kevin Costner Incident, and while I do laugh at that scene... it's a bit rapey, no? I have wondered if it would have been better left as a little throwaway line in BrBa, just Saul coming out with some bullshit. Now I've started to wonder- Chuck's whole "I know what you were, what you are. You're Slippin' Jimmy, people don't change" might actually explain everything everything. Maybe "Kevin Costner" was the behaviour of the true Jimmy and that "James McGill Esquire" of Albuquerque just couldn't help sliding back into his true "Slippin' Jimmy" self once he returned to his old haunts in Cicero.

Maybe the only things holding back the sleaze have been his eagerness to make Chuck proud of him, and his eagerness to impress Kim- and now Chuck is dead and Kim is married to him and "breaking bad" herself there may be nothing left to keep his true nature in check. Maybe Saul Goodman isn't Jimmy McGill minus the heart, but Jimmy McGill briefly gained a bit of heart once he met Kim and his brother got ill? Once he found himself around two people he really cared about and really didn't want to lose?

I couldn't remember what you were referring to with the Kevin Costner scene until I rewatched that episode yesterday. Jesus, it is horrible. It was really that one that cemented in my head that Saul isn't a character so much as Jimmy without any reason to hold back his inhibitions. The guy who lies to a drunk woman to have sex and the one who has a happy ending massage in his office aren't poles apart.

I think the Jimmy we see is always the real Jimmy, it is just he has motivations which make him act in a certain way in certain situations. When he is working in the post room and doing night courses, he is doing so as his motivation is to ride Chuck's coattails to the top and make Kim want a relationship with him.

Kim seems to be the big motivator. She is the motivation for initially considering Davis & Main and then turning them down in the opening scene of Season 2. Likewise not stealing the Kettleman money is about getting Kim her position in HHM back despite him describing it as "doing the right thing" to Mike. Kim pulling back on him at the end of the Season 2 opener is also what motivates him to take the job with Davis & Main. I'm just watching him get a bollocking off Cliff and then walk in pretending he got a big congratulations to Kim who then cuddles up to him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Weeping Prophet on August 18, 2021, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on August 18, 2021, 12:42:25 PM
I'd also suggest you keep watching if you enjoyed what you've seen of Rhea Seehorn's acting so far. She's underused in season 1 but that gets rectified from season 2 onwards. You'll definitely want to keep going until "Bad Choice Road". Much better supporting cast in BCS than in BB too I reckon, and much more complex characters for them to play with.

My one big criticism of the show is that the cartel stuff doesn't interest me as much as the rest, so I think Nacho and Lalo were the shot in the arm the cartel story badly needed. Lalo doesn't show up until season 4 but he's a fantastic villain, a sharp-dressed smiling charismatic sociopath, I find him a more compelling villain than any in BB.

Yes to all of this. The show gets much better in season 3, and just gets better and better as it goes, especially when Lalo shows up.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 19, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 18, 2021, 05:36:16 PM
I couldn't remember what you were referring to with the Kevin Costner scene until I rewatched that episode yesterday. Jesus, it is horrible. It was really that one that cemented in my head that Saul isn't a character so much as Jimmy without any reason to hold back his inhibitions. The guy who lies to a drunk woman to have sex and the one who has a happy ending massage in his office aren't poles apart.

I rewatched "Marco" after discussing it here and for the first time I realised season 1 has bookends. In "Uno" Jimmy defends his clients with "Oh, to be 19 again!" before the CCTV of them having sex with a severed head is shown, then in "Marco" he calls one of the bingo numbers with "O64! As in: 'Oh, to be 64 again!'" before going on his own seedy little escapade. Except he can't blame it on youthful exuberance, Jimmy is 42 there (and presumably Marco is around the same age) and the women (judging by the uniforms I think they may be waiting or bar staff) might be half their age. And the way he offers them orange juice while drinking from the carton and scratching his arse (apologies if you can't not notice that from now) and seems amused by how eager they are to get the fuck away ("Door sticks..."). It's just horrible to see him treating the two women like trash, like they're just two more marks and the whole sordid affair is no worse than conning some poor dupe into buying a fake Rolex.

...and then in the very next episode, "Switch", he's so much more respectful towards Kim- he's running a con but he's at least honest to Kim about what he really is, and he lets her make up her own mind about whether she likes that side of him or not- and she does, and she makes the first move, and what happens afterwards is on her terms. And later still he even mentions the fact that "it's the lionesses that do the hunting" to avoid being sexist! The Kevin Costner Incident seems out of character compared with how he treats Kim (and also the woman he's chatting up in the first deleted scene here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWR0opvEZP0)), I did wonder if it was bad writing but maybe it's not out of character after all.

QuoteI think the Jimmy we see is always the real Jimmy, it is just he has motivations which make him act in a certain way in certain situations. When he is working in the post room and doing night courses, he is doing so as his motivation is to ride Chuck's coattails to the top and make Kim want a relationship with him.

Now you put it that way I think you're absolutely right. Perhaps Jimmy is always "The Real Jimmy" but Saul Goodman is just Jimmy at the point where he's finally feeling totally comfortable in his own skin (as Gilligan and Gould have often described him). The influence of people around him and who he wants to impress (or doesn't) certainly have shaped him, whether it was having Marco in awe of him, winning Chuck's respect or getting into a relationship with Kim.

I'm now wondering if Kim "breaking bad" at the end of season 5 might tip her over into full-on Enabler Mode and make her very bad for Jimmy, pushing him closer to becoming Saul, rather than her leaving him being the thing that makes Saul become so very jaded and cynical. In any case I can't see Kim sticking by the man who sexually harasses poor Francesca (who ends up even more jaded than he is) and gets regular visits from his "chiropractor".

QuoteI'm just watching him get a bollocking off Cliff and then walk in pretending he got a big congratulations to Kim who then cuddles up to him.

Yes, that bit's horrible as well, and again maybe not too far removed from the kind of behaviour we'd expect from Saul. I'm thinking Howard's "Do you know who else really knew Jimmy? Chuck" comment might be another portentous one. Kim may be aware of Jimmy's past as a conman, and she may know about the Chicago Sunroof incident, but I bet What Happened In Cicero Stayed In Cicero.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 20, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Rewatching the opening to Season 3. Jimmy rips the tape off the wall and Chuck admonishes him and shows him how to so it carefully so as not to cause any damage. Metaphor!

Chuck worrying about Jimmy's nightlight burning down the house. Foreshadowing!

Quote from: Blue Jam on August 19, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Now you put it that way I think you're absolutely right. Perhaps Jimmy is always "The Real Jimmy" but Saul Goodman is just Jimmy at the point where he's finally feeling totally comfortable in his own skin (as Gilligan and Gould have often described him). The influence of people around him and who he wants to impress (or doesn't) certainly have shaped him, whether it was having Marco in awe of him, winning Chuck's respect or getting into a relationship with Kim.

The fact that he wants Chuck to like and respect him is an interesting one. I was initially a little confused why Jimmy would put the whole cover up at risk by rushing into the copy place but clearly he prizes his brother's life over his own safety. I know it seems obvious that he would care for his brother but this is one element where he is a distance from Saul. At the moment, Jimmy isn't fully Saul simply because he is held back by Chuck and Kim. Well, just Kim now...

Quote from: Blue Jam on August 19, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
I'm now wondering if Kim "breaking bad" at the end of season 5 might tip her over into full-on Enabler Mode and make her very bad for Jimmy, pushing him closer to becoming Saul, rather than her leaving him being the thing that makes Saul become so very jaded and cynical. In any case I can't see Kim sticking by the man who sexually harasses poor Francesca (who ends up even more jaded than he is) and gets regular visits from his "chiropractor".

Saul is held back by him knowing that Kim will not accept him as he truly is. Perhaps she now enables Saul now that she is wiling to get down and dirty just like him. At this point, is there anything he could/would do personally that would drive her away? She even quite brazenly accepts him doctoring documents to get her Mesa Verde (a few arm punches aside). I still can't see anything but an outside influence keeping them apart for the Breaking Bad era.

I've been thinking about what might be a satisfying ending, character wise, for Better Call Saul. Breaking Bad ended with Walt being able to finally provide for his family (he told Skyler he did it all for himself so that she would use the lottery ticket to get a deal with the DEA). El Camino gave Jesse the standard happy ending which I think was deserved for him at that point.

What ending would be satisfying for Saul now? I am thinking prison myself. Though that might be a hard sell to some in the audience now who are more sympathetic to Jimmy/Saul/Gene and even see him as the hero. Saul needs to realise that his actions do have consequences.

Quote from: Blue Jam on August 19, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Yes, that bit's horrible as well, and again maybe not too far removed from the kind of behaviour we'd expect from Saul. I'm thinking Howard's "Do you know who else really knew Jimmy? Chuck" comment might be another portentous one. Kim may be aware of Jimmy's past as a conman, and she may know about the Chicago Sunroof incident, but I bet What Happened In Cicero Stayed In Cicero.

The funny thing is even Chuck didn't know Jimmy. When Chuck speaks to Kim just before she leaves HHM, he warns her off Jimmy but adds that he does have a good heart. I think even Chuck underestimated what a heartless bastard Jimmy could really be.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 21, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
Another great post JTC. I'm thinking prison too, Jimmy could stop being paranoid and ironically would have a freedom of sorts, out of the gilded cage that is his life in Nebraska and free to be himself. Maybe he could deal drop phones or offer legal advice in return for favours- do lawyers fare better than cops in prison? I can imagine their skillset comes in quite handy. It could be like the end of The Producers.

Also Walt died, Jesse escaped and may yet get a shot at redemption, surely Jimmy's fate will have to be something different? After death and redemption what other option is there but prison?

Again, I am probably just going to be proven completely wrong here... meanwhile, here's a season 6 update from Tony Dalton (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/better-call-saul-season-6-update-following-bob-odenkirks-hospitalization.html/):

QuoteDalton gave a status update in a conversation with the website Quién (https://www.quien.com/espectaculos/2021/08/13/tony-dalton-vivieron-infarto-protagonista-better-call-saul). In the interview, translated from Spanish, the actor mentioned that he'd recently spoke to Odenkirk and found him in good spirits.

"He already wants to go back to work," he said. "But well, until his doctors and his wife let him basically, he won't be able to return, but I hope he will be back soon."

As far as where filming stands, Dalton explained, "Right now we are filming all the scenes he is not in and waiting until he is given the green light to return to work, but the truth is despite everything this business entails, the most important thing is that he is healthy ... I mean, it's someone's life, nothing is more important."

... and from the Quien article (via Google Translate):

QuoteA couple of weeks ago, Bob Odenkirk was hospitalized after fainting on the set of the Better Call Saul series . At that time, the 58-year-old actor was filming a scene in the series with actor Tony Dalton , in New Mexico, in the United States, when he collapsed.

"I was next to him and it was very strong, poor truth, I say he had a heart attack. I had never seen that and much less on a Hollywood set, on the forum, the people and everything. But it's okay, He is already at home with his family, "added Tony.

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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Timothy on August 21, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
QuoteBreaking Bad ended with Walt being able to finally provide for his family (he told Skyler he did it all for himself so that she would use the lottery ticket to get a deal with the DEA). 

I always thought Walt was telling himself he was doing it to provide for his family (and that it started that way) while in reality he was only in it for himself. Wasnt there a point in BB where he could step away with enough money and decided not to because he didnt want to go back to his ordinary life or am I remembering this wrong? Been a while since I saw BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 21, 2021, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: Timothy on August 21, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
I always thought Walt was telling himself he was doing it to provide for his family (and that it started that way) while in reality he was only in it for himself. Wasnt there a point in BB where he could step away with enough money and decided not to because he didnt want to go back to his ordinary life or am I remembering this wrong? Been a while since I saw BB.

No, you aren't remembering wrong. After the train job, he could have pulled out and I think Jesse did point out to him that he had more money than he needed. Maybe this is hard to square.

For me, Walt is a victim of toxic masculinity. He is motivated by the need to be the one who provides for his family. His ego is hurt most when people want to either give him charity or when Skyler wants to step in and help. He eventually agrees to the money laundering through the Charity because at least he knows he provided for the family even if others don't. Walt knows he did his duty as a man.

In the second to last episode, he desperately tried to get something to his family whilst trying to convince the DEA that Skyler is blameless. Walt Jr refuses the money and Saul tells him that the DEA would still go for Skyler and plants the idea in his head to use the lottery ticket as a bargaining chip.

Walt gives himself up to the DEA when he realises his family no longer want his help. He only then leaves when he realises he has one final chance to provide and protect his family.  He managed to get the money to Walt Jr but Skyler refuses to use the ticket as a bargaining chip. When Walt tells Skyler that he did it all for himself rather than the family he is manipulating her to use the ticket to save herself.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 21, 2021, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on August 21, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
Another great post JTC. I'm thinking prison too, Jimmy could stop being paranoid and ironically would have a freedom of sorts, out of the gilded cage that is his life in Nebraska and free to be himself. Maybe he could deal drop phones or offer legal advice in return for favours- do lawyers fare better than cops in prison? I can imagine their skillset comes in quite handy. It could be like the end of The Producers.

Also Walt died, Jesse escaped and may yet get a shot at redemption, surely Jimmy's fate will have to be something different? After death and redemption what other option is there but prison?

I hadn't even thought of what he would do in prison. Him using his skills to be a success in prison is a great idea. A great contrast to his safe but boring fate as Gene.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 21, 2021, 01:45:03 PM
He'd get to wear a lairy orange jumpsuit as well. Much more to his tastes than the muted tones of a Cinnabon uniform. He could also use the time to write a scandalous memoir for the True Crime section.

...but no, I am probably very wrong.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 21, 2021, 07:14:35 PM
Forgot just how brilliant the trial episode is.

Then I feel sympathy for Jimmy when he breaks down in the insurance office and it turns out it is all just a ploy to get Chuck to lose his license to practice. Jimmy keeps manipulating the audience just as much as he manipulates the people around him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Rev+ on August 22, 2021, 12:02:33 AM
I really can't see him ending up in prison, just because - unless there's something major that he's done and I've forgotten - he'd likely only get a very short stretch, which isn't a satisfying way to leave the character.  Bent lawyers tend not to go to prison, because they're technically only adjacent to actual crimes.

The tingle I got from the last series, and this is maybe informed by Robert Forster's death and Gene's assertion that he'd handle disappearing again 'his way', is that he'll set up shop in a similar manner.  With Chuck it was more than wanting the admiration of his brother, it was wanting to emulate someone he knew was good at what he did.  I can see the series ending the same way - some sort of cover location like a spa, with his main business being the guy you go to if you want to disappear.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Mister Six on August 22, 2021, 12:32:57 AM
I'm well behind on this and ought to catch up. Which season ended with his brother kicking at a lamp?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 22, 2021, 12:40:30 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on August 22, 2021, 12:32:57 AM
I'm well behind on this and ought to catch up. Which season ended with his brother kicking at a lamp?

Season 3.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Mister Six on August 22, 2021, 01:16:57 PM
Ta!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 22, 2021, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: Rev+ on August 22, 2021, 12:02:33 AM
I really can't see him ending up in prison, just because - unless there's something major that he's done and I've forgotten - he'd likely only get a very short stretch, which isn't a satisfying way to leave the character.  Bent lawyers tend not to go to prison, because they're technically only adjacent to actual crimes.

He laundered money for a major drug kingpin and is an accessory to several murders, not to mention all the things he may have done for his other criminal clients. Remember he fled after realising Huell was in custody and presumably about to spill the beans on his criminal empire in a plea deal.

Also, American justice innit. This is a world where Tuco gets five years for assault and the Kettlemans could have got 30 years each for embezzlement- and $1.6 million was a fraction of what Walt made.

Incidentally, Eric C Conn, the lawyer with probably the strongest claim to the title of "The Real-Life Saul Goodman", is currently doing a 27-year stretch for social security fraud (extended from 12 years for doing his own Ed The Disappearer) and he didn't even send anyone to Belize:

https://www.oxygen.com/true-crime-buzz/where-is-eric-c-conn-now-american-greed-biggest-cons-recap

One of his ads:

https://youtu.be/qXFczrh8Tzc

"Gene" is meant to be in his early 50s isn't he? Very likely to die in prison if he ever gets caught then.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 23, 2021, 04:37:16 PM
In the flash forward in Season 4 to Saul and Francesca shredding in his office, Saul hand's Francesca a card with an attorney on and says to tell them "Jimmy sent you". Is that supposed to make us think it is Kim? It might just be a throwaway line that we aren't supposed to think much of but I can't help but think it is pointed that he specifies "Jimmy" rather than "Saul".
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 24, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 21, 2021, 07:14:35 PM
Then I feel sympathy for Jimmy when he breaks down in the insurance office and it turns out it is all just a ploy to get Chuck to lose his license to practice. Jimmy keeps manipulating the audience just as much as he manipulates the people around him.

Cracking bit of eye-acting, that. The way Jimmy's real tears turn into crocodile tears when he gets onto the subject of Chuck, and then as he leaves the office the tears in his eyes give way to rage, and then to a wicked glint with that chilling little smirk of victory. Mesmerising.

Quote from: JamesTC on August 21, 2021, 01:19:30 PM
For me, Walt is a victim of toxic masculinity. He is motivated by the need to be the one who provides for his family. His ego is hurt most when people want to either give him charity or when Skyler wants to step in and help. He eventually agrees to the money laundering through the Charity because at least he knows he provided for the family even if others don't. Walt knows he did his duty as a man.

I noticed a lot of that on my recent rewatch. Lots of little things like Walt telling Jesse to pull the cord on the generator "properly, not like a girl" as well as him getting angry at Walt Jr. for looking up to his more macho Uncle Hank and then punishing him for it by letting him drink himself sick.

Jimmy's a bit of a contrast there- I read this recently:

https://www.bustle.com/p/how-better-call-sauls-kim-became-unintentional-feminist-hero-according-to-rhea-seehorn-49427

Quote from: Racy Horn"I'm very much more the stereotypical 'man' as far as the relationship roles," Seehorn says about Kim. "Jimmy is more emotional, more reactive, wants to talk everything out, and thinks everything is personal and Kim's very project-oriented. Very just, 'Slow it down, here's the problem, here's the solution' kind of thing."... ..."[Viewers] believe that this 10-year love and foundation of a friendship and romantic relationship is there, partially because the characters are allowed to argue. And you don't always see a woman being allowed to just be mad and leave the room. Or not make things palatable for the man and I do get to do that." Seehorn also says that Jimmy and Kim's foundation is "not so shakeable that she can't say, 'I'm working, can you just get out of my way?' And it actually makes our hero/antihero smarter and cooler that he loves a woman like that."

You can't imagine Skyler saying to Walt "You don't save me. I save me." and Walt being totally okay with that, can you? Never mind admiring and respecting and loving her for it. Walt and Jimmy are such great foils to one another. Skyler and Kim too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 24, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on August 24, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
[Walt] getting angry at Walt Jr. for looking up to his more macho Uncle Hank and then punishing him for it by letting him drink himself sick.

Further to this I love the bit where Saul visits the carwash (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqwfJGDG5Y) and Walt Jr. is all "Wow! You're the guy on our billboard!" and as well as being angry at Saul for showing up you can imagine him thinking "Oh FFS son, don't get starstruck by that seedy little man, don't encourage him". Great eye-acting there too,  just a great mix of disappointment in his son and resentment at him once again looking up to someone other than his dad.

Walt's reactions to Saul's sleazy remarks always cracked me up:

https://youtu.be/lfyQWQokoqE?t=38

and of course:

https://youtu.be/0yr-KJWLTUU?t=11
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on August 24, 2021, 07:32:15 PM
Kim sees right through Saul's bullshit in a way that nobody else does. Chuck apparently knew Jimmy better than anybody else but he didn't see much of his antics coming.

Just watched Kim raging against Mr Acker for not playing by the rules. She is arguing against everything that Saul represents yet she continues to enable him and stick by him. It is hinted at in Season 5 that Kim is an Adult Child of an Alcoholic (https://www.verywellmind.com/common-traits-of-adult-children-of-alcoholics-66557) which Rhea Seahorn has said she saw from her very first episode (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/better-call-saul-rhea-seehorn-kim-alcoholic-parent.html/) (Rhea's father was an alcoholic). She sticks by Saul in an act of unconscious self harm. After Chuck reveals what Jimmy did to the Mesa Verde files is one of the few times she lashes out at Jimmy.

I wonder if Saul sees a challenge in Kim. Somebody who isn't as easily manipulated, even if much of the time she doesn't need to be manipulated as she goes along with his destructive behaviour.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on August 28, 2021, 09:31:47 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 24, 2021, 07:32:15 PM
Kim sees right through Saul's bullshit in a way that nobody else does. Chuck apparently knew Jimmy better than anybody else but he didn't see much of his antics coming.

He can still fool her on occasion, like the time she was moved to tears at his Bar reinstatement hearing because she hadn't realised his emotional tribute to his brother was just an act. She also didn't realise he was making a video libeling Mesa Verde while it was going on all around her at the nail salon. She definitely has a better bullshit-detector than every other character though, and now they've promised to always be truthful to one another it may be what he doesn't tell her that's important. Like him not mentioning the shoot-out in the desert and her finding out by seeing the bullet hole in the coffee mug.

QuoteJust watched Kim raging against Mr Acker for not playing by the rules. She is arguing against everything that Saul represents yet she continues to enable him and stick by him.

...but Kim's on Mr Acker's side there isn't she? She may sound angry and full of conviction while setting out Mesa Verde's position but her heart isn't in it, and we see her getting increasingly bored with the job throughout season 5 before she quits in the final episode.

To be fair I was a bit confused by that subplot at first, thinking Kim had roped in Jimmy to make sure Acker lost the case, it took me a while to realise she actually wanted Mesa Verde to lose. Ultimately I think she was conflicted over her pro bono and corporate work- she enjoys the pro bono cases because she wants to help out the little guy, but in her role with Mesa Verde she has to fuck over the little guy, and that's against everything she stands for, because she's been the little guy, having been evicted from several homes herself. Something had to give.

QuoteIt is hinted at in Season 5 that Kim is an Adult Child of an Alcoholic (https://www.verywellmind.com/common-traits-of-adult-children-of-alcoholics-66557) which Rhea Seahorn has said she saw from her very first episode (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/better-call-saul-rhea-seehorn-kim-alcoholic-parent.html/) (Rhea's father was an alcoholic). She sticks by Saul in an act of unconscious self harm. After Chuck reveals what Jimmy did to the Mesa Verde files is one of the few times she lashes out at Jimmy.

I didn't know that, that's very interesting- and that's something Rhea and Bob have in common (and I think David Cross also had a neglectful father but for other reasons). Interesting that we see Kim hitting the bottle when stressed (that episode where we meet her mother also has bookends, Kim's mother drink-driving and Kim herself drinking wine at home) and there's also the implication that Gene may be self-medicating when he pours himself that very generous Rusty Nail in the very first episode. I wonder if there's a bit of an actor-inspired element (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActorInspiredElement) with both characters, we all know how much Vince Gilligan loves to collaborate with his cast.

QuoteI wonder if Saul sees a challenge in Kim. Somebody who isn't as easily manipulated, even if much of the time she doesn't need to be manipulated as she goes along with his destructive behaviour.

That's a really great point. He had no respect for his father, seeing him being manipulated by every grifter in town, he has no respect for any of the marks he scams with Kim or Marco, and he had no respect for Mr Neff and his assistant, just seeing them as two more marks he had manipulated into giving him a job. And then there's those poor women who thought he was Kevin Costner... but he respects Kim. She's no mark. She's more like him- a shark, not a sheep, more on his level. Whereas Walter White probably wished Skyler was more of a sheep and her ability to see right through him just made him angry.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on September 04, 2021, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: amputeeporn on August 17, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I've just started watching this show (obviously I quickly scrolled past all this season 6 talk). I'm onto episode 9 of season one, and have been meaning to post here with each passing ep, to ask if and when the show improves...

Alright AP, did you watch Marco then? What did you think? ;)

Few filming updates: Thomas Schnauz has confirmed that they are making "steady but slow" progress with filming and working hard on the editing and post-production. Splitting season 6 into two parts hasn't been completely ruled out, but I know Peter Gould has said he really didn't want that to happen. What with them filming all the Bob-less bits instead of halting production completely it sounds like they're going for minimal delay and trying to avoid having a Season 6A and 6B:

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/better-call-saul-season-6-update/

It's also been confirmed that The Bob is back in town. Here's he is in The BCS House, doing a quick plug for the New Mexico Bowl (via the BCS subreddit)- POSSIBLE SLIGHT SPOILER WARNING:

https://twitter.com/NMBowl/status/1433822647520006153

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Someone's been at the Just For Men... his hair is now closer to the colour it was in BrBa. Maybe the combover has come out of storage and his hair's been dyed to match? They were on episode 8 when he collapsed, maybe we're getting a time-jump or a montage?
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 06, 2021, 06:11:54 PM
Interesting moment on this Breaking Bad DVD episode commentary that was uploaded to YouTube last week[nb]possibly only interesting to Blue Jam[/nb]. Jonathan Banks makes an early suggestion (around 14:40 in) about his family backstory that ended up becoming cannon in BCS.

https://youtu.be/VF4d5CdhfpA?t=880
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on September 08, 2021, 02:35:56 PM
Bob's back! https://twitter.com/mrbobodenkirk/status/1435597569187536901
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 03:53:16 PM
*scrutinises wig*

Yaaaaaaay! Great news. I hope Vince and Peter aren't working him too hard.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on September 24, 2021, 10:26:29 AM
As if BCS S6 wasn't enough of a troubled production already, it looks like the second IATSE strike could be going ahead:

https://deadline.com/2021/09/iatse-second-strike-seeks-separate-authorization-locals-across-us-1234842729/

BCS costume designer Jennifer Bryan has made some badges in solidarity:

(https://i.redd.it/yl4747ow39p71.jpg)

...and here's one resting on the episode 9 clapperboard:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CULwWOpLez6/?hl=en

After the Writers' Strike affected season 1 of BB I guess these would be fitting bookends. *sigh* - but all power to the union. Hope their (more than reasonable) demands are met soon!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on September 24, 2021, 11:36:57 AM
For some reason I've been reminded of how Moonlighting dealt with the 1988 writers' strike.

https://youtu.be/8gr5xEvAeUo
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on September 25, 2021, 10:29:11 AM
Quoteon Friday night, Odenkirk threw out the ceremonial first pitch and sang the seventh-inning stretch — technically the fifth-inning stretch during a doubleheader — at the Chicago Cubs' game against the St. Louis Cardinals at Wrigley Field.

Awww, this is nice. I think- I need Ferris to translate:

https://thecomeback.com/mlb/bob-odenkirk-throws-out-first-pitch-sings-the-stretch-at-cubs-game.html

Nice to see him in such good spirits and to hear his beautiful singing voice... anyway, bit of a break from filming ahead of the impending strike?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 04, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
This production is fucking cursed:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/iatse-strike-vote-results-1235017990/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: JamesTC on October 06, 2021, 10:37:59 AM
So production is still continuing right now. The vote was to allow a strike if talks didn't continue, I've read. Thankfully they've gone back to the table.

Hopefully the season is finished and the negotiations are successful.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 06, 2021, 11:48:59 AM
Yes, as much as I'm dying to see how the series ends, I support the union here.

Thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,89854.0.html)

Various BCS cast and crew peeps have also spoken up in solidarity with IATSE. Vince Gilligan may come across as the nicest boss in the world but they're not all like him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 17, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
Strike averted, phew.

In other news there have been lots of reports of extensive filming at
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Cottonwood Mall, ABQ
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, including one pic where
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the Cinnabon set (the real store closed a few years back so they now have to recreate it) can be seen, along with someone walking round in a Cinnabon uniform
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:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVEwD1VLJ-j/?hl=en

Michelle MacLaren can also be seen directing this one (she previously directed "Mijo" and "Breathe"), and as Thomas Schnauz will be directing episode 11 it looks like they're up to episode 10. In any case it looks like we'll be getting a lot more
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, or maybe one or more
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entire gene episodes
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. I've seen one person in the Instagram thread suggest
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a Gene scene opening every episode
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which could also work. In any case, squeeeeeee!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Twit 2 on October 17, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
Christ, I hope my lovely Kim makes it to the end alive.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on October 17, 2021, 01:06:05 PM
I know we've discussed before what exactly Jimmy/Saul/Gene was running from (back on page 2) but I'm now wondering if Kim becomes the Cartel's lawyer. Maybe she'd get into doing it with the best of motives - it'd really allow her to do the pro bono work she wanted to; she might even think doing it would get Jimmy off the hook as she's a much better and more ruthless lawyer than he is. But then maybe they break up and her attitude towards him is less tolerant. It'd be a hell of a twist if the one thing Gene is really running from is... KIM!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 17, 2021, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Twit 2 on October 17, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
Christ, I hope my lovely Kim makes it to the end alive.

Recent interview with Racy:

https://screenrant.com/better-call-saul-season-6-kim-death-rhea-seehorn/

Quote from: The HornWe have to be careful about even me saying that I'm in New Mexico, because people don't know, does Kim survive? What happens to Kim?

:'(

Racy has also said there's a strict rule about actors not being allowed to be photographed in costume, and how they have to refuse all requests from fans when they stumble across filming, because tiny details like the colour of Jimmy's tie or the looseness of Kim's ponytail give away a lot on a show as intricately detailed as this.

Updates on filming are getting fewer and farther between, I guess everything's going to be very hush-hush for the last few episodes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 17, 2021, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: mothman on October 17, 2021, 01:06:05 PM
I know we've discussed before what exactly Jimmy/Saul/Gene was running from (back on page 2) but I'm now wondering if Kim becomes the Cartel's lawyer. Maybe she'd get into doing it with the best of motives - it'd really allow her to do the pro bono work she wanted to; she might even think doing it would get Jimmy off the hook as she's a much better and more ruthless lawyer than he is. But then maybe they break up and her attitude towards him is less tolerant. It'd be a hell of a twist if the one thing Gene is really running from is... KIM!

One area where Jimmy has a long way to go before going full Saul is the cynicism. Jimmy may be a bit more cynical than he was in the HHM mailroom but Saul is one of the most cynical characters ever. Chuck's attempts to keep him down may have been a catalyst for that to some extent, but surely something even bigger that that still needs to happen? Kim doing something to destroy his faith in all that is good? Who wouldn't end up relentlessly cynical as a result of that?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on October 17, 2021, 01:15:18 PM
Ooh, good call!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 17, 2021, 01:23:42 PM
It was your call! Great post!

I can't imagine Saul being the way he is if Kim dies, cynical but still breezily cheerful with it. Something's got to break what little shred of idealism he has left, but not his spirit. Otherwise Jimmy would have skipped Saul and gone straight to Gene.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on October 17, 2021, 01:48:51 PM
Yes but you identified the crux of it. His cynicism is the one element still lacking.

Contemplating a BCS rewatch from the start. Reckon we've got four-five months before the "early 2022" date bandied about. But, not going to lie, the first two or three seasons will be a challenge to sit through again. Especially if I rope MrsMoth in. Anyone interested in a CaB BCS Rewatch Club (and thread) to keep us motivated?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 17, 2021, 02:07:00 PM
I rewatched season 5 lately, heheheh. Can't get enough of 'em, count me in. Could do the podcasts as well...

Seen this deleted scene from BrBa, where Saul tracks down Walter at his sordid little grief hole after Skyler has thrown him out?

https://youtu.be/RptTc5T7Ks4

Deleted so it's not canon, but Saul tells Walt he had an inkling he'd be there, having lived there himself after three failed marriages, and three wives supposedly cheating on him. Not two, three. Good thing it was cut as it could have been even more of a continuity nightmare than the "I caught my stepdad screwing my second wife" line... or maybe marriage #3 really is doomed... maybe there's an "I FUCKED HOWARD" coming up... :'(
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on October 17, 2021, 03:44:33 PM
OK. Ponder on this I shall. Will also be looking for "lines to take" (God, I've been a civil servant too long) when it comes to persuading the OH she should stick with it. I don't think "It gets better, honestly" will cut it!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 17, 2021, 04:03:26 PM
"Alright Jimmy, either that combover goes or I do."

We're gonna need a hair loss montage as well. Mrs Nguyen better work on her mini-mullet game.

Yes, I think the cynicism is the big thing. Jimmy also has some way to go before he's as savvy as Saul is, but being out of his depth possibly won't matter so much now he's getting to the point where he can afford to pay Mike, Huell, Kuby etc to do all the dirty work, and we know Saul was never any good at fighting and doesn't like guns.

Also that thing of not being comfortable with getting his hands too dirty will just make it all the more dramatic when Gene is finally forced to confront Jeff himself, and do it alone.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 19, 2021, 12:50:50 AM
Another thing that has me a bit worried for Kim is the fact that when we see Gene reminiscing about his glory days, he's watching Saul Goodman's commercials rather than looking at the wedding snaps taken by Huell or any other reminders of Kim, and when he scratches his initials on the wall he goes for SG rather than JMM. Of course the latter thing could just be because he was eager to drop the name McGill, but could it be that he was at his happiest post-Kim? :(

Meanwhile Thomas Schnauz has confirmed that he is in Albuquerque prepping episode 11. Not much longer now:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomSchnauz/status/1450185399989571584
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: H-O-W-L on October 20, 2021, 01:41:23 AM
I don't think they necessarily film in chronological order so they might be filming ep 11 now but have already wrapped 13?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 09:27:38 AM
It looks like they film largely in chronological order- a few months back both Bob'n'Rhea said they don't know how this series ends because they've been avoiding reading the later scripts because they're also fans and they want to avoid spoilers. Also season 1 was definitely filmed in chronological order as the actors were kept in the dark about the plot point of Chuck blocking Jimmy's appointment to HHM until they filmed the episode, as a bit of enforced method acting to make Chuck and Jimmy's big argument and the anger and surprise seem more real.

Season 6 is a bit different though as they were. filming scenes without Jimmy while Odenkirk was recovering from his heart attack. Giancarlo Esposito (https://collider.com/giancarlo-esposito-interview-far-cry-6-better-call-saul-the-boys/) has confirmed that he has filmed pretty much all of his scenes and I can imagine that's the case for a few others who play characters who don't interact with Jimmy much.

Also I have been following the filming of this way too closely :)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: earl_sleek on October 20, 2021, 10:05:32 AM
I guess also it's less important to hide what happens to characters like Gus as we already know their fate.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: buttgammon on October 20, 2021, 10:53:44 AM
Quote from: earl_sleek on October 20, 2021, 10:05:32 AM
I guess also it's less important to hide what happens to characters like Gus as we already know their fate.

True; this is why Nacho and Kim have already given me some major scares in the programme.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 11:12:23 AM
I've noticed Rhea Seehorn and Michael Mando have been a lot quieter than usual on social media lately. Mando especially can be quite loose-lipped!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: mothman on October 20, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Do they film the actual Nebraska flash-forwards (actually what do they call them, given the main action is essentially all flashbacks?) on location? Because if there are going to be any extended or weekly Gene scenes (or even full episodes), I guess it'd make sense to film all those in one go instead of per-episode...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 10:49:04 PM
Quote from: mothman on October 20, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Do they film the actual Nebraska flash-forwards (actually what do they call them, given the main action is essentially all flashbacks?) on location? Because if there are going to be any extended or weekly Gene scenes (or even full episodes), I guess it'd make sense to film all those in one go instead of per-episode...

The Cinnabon scenes are filmed at Albuquerque's Cottonwood Mall, and were filmed at the actual branch of Cinnabon there until it closed down. After that they were filmed at a mockup of the store, in the same location at the same mall. The outdoor Nebraska scenes are also filmed in Albuquerque, with fake snow.

I've been listening to a few of the Breaking Bad Insider podcasts lately, and the one for Granite State has Bryan Cranston and Vince Gilligan talking about how the New Hampshire scenes also weren't filmed in New Hampshire, and how the crew did a recce for the most New Hampshire-looking bit of the Sandia Mountains, and how after they found the perfect place they went back to film and found most of the snow had melted, so they had to find a bit with more snow, and all the time they had to be careful no-one suffered altitude sickness... bit of a faff but perhaps not as much of a faff as flying everyone out to New Hampshire. Apparently there's a bit in the scene where Walt exits the bar where you can see fake snow covering a cactus...

Back to BCS, the scenes in Texas were also filmed in New Mexico (they painted a mural of the Texas state flag on a building), ditto for the bit in New Orleans, and the scenes in Cicero. And the ones in Germany... I'm not sure any of the scenes in BrBa or BCS are actually filmed outside New Mexico- anyone know?

I'd recommend the Insider podcasts, been listening to them at werk lately and there's tons of incredibly nerdy detail if you like that sort of thing. "How the sausage is made", as Vince Gilligan likes to call it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on November 05, 2021, 10:20:59 AM
Couple of bits of news buried in this interview with the lovely Racy:

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/rhea-seehorn-amc-better-call-saul-coopers-bar-1235104132/

Quote"Cooper's Bar" is an original short-form digital series produced for AMC that will be timed to run next spring around the Season 6 return of "Saul"...

As for the final season of "Saul", which will air over two halves...

AFAIK this hasn't been reported anywhere else yet, so maybe take it with a pinch of salt, but the last I heard (via Thomas Schnauz on Twitter) they were still filming episode 10, so with three episodes still to go it'd be nice to get the first half sooner rather than later. Might need a hasty re-edit to make two cliffhangers though. And at least two Gene scenes... could work! And it'd be in true BrBa tradition of course!

Meanwhile Cooper's Bar sounds fun. Racy being "an absolute asshole" could be the prep we need for Kim Wexler's face-heel turn.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on November 05, 2021, 11:28:05 AM
I stand corrected: Episode 11 started shooting on the 4th of November, according to its director, Thomas Schnauz:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomSchnauz/status/1456367103360000000
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Timothy on November 19, 2021, 04:01:09 PM
Odenkirk will tour the UK to promote his book:

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2021/11/18/49661/bob_odenkirk_to_tour_the_uk
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on November 19, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Timothy on November 19, 2021, 04:01:09 PMOdenkirk will tour the UK to promote his book:

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2021/11/18/49661/bob_odenkirk_to_tour_the_uk

Noted, cheers.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on November 20, 2021, 10:29:30 AM
AMC+ have started advertising this as "coming soon":

https://mobile.twitter.com/AMCPlus/status/1461446617920331784
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on November 20, 2021, 02:16:28 PM
In the meantime Patrick Fabian has been lending his super-smooth 1950s radio announcer tones to Strange Air, a supernatural mystery story podcast you can check out for free here:

https://www.strangeairpodcast.com/listen
Title: Re: Better Call Saul - the sixth (and final) season
Post by: Blue Jam on November 22, 2021, 08:54:34 AM
Some bits from White Turtle Casting, who cast the extras and find them triples of all the classic cars:

https://m.facebook.com/kathryn.wamego.1

Spoiler alert
They're looking for car models later than 2011, and light-coloured, for background. For what looks like the episode before that they want vehicles 2010 and older, "red okay to use" when they usually can't accept red, presumably because of the colour coding in this show. Looks like we're getting more from the Gene timeline, and still in black and white
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Filming's scheduled to go on into February though :(