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Title: Between The Lines
Post by: Endicott on April 07, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
I've noticed an old series from 1992 is being re-shown on BBC4, Sunday nights. Currently 5 episodes in to Between The Lines, a series about the dept of the Met who police the rest of the Met. I remember liking it at the time but don't remember much about it apart from it had a great cast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_the_Lines_(TV_series)

The eps re-broadcast so far are on on iPlayer:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b00df5nm/between-the-lines

Anyone watching?

I watched the first one last night and very much enjoyed it, still think the cast is very good and enjoyed seeing Ben Chaplin again in a side role.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on April 07, 2021, 01:40:03 PM
Yeah, watched all 5 so far. It is great for the 'oh its him' count.

Liked Episode 2 - very mundane motivation at the heart of it and Pete Postlethwaite playing a proper piece of work. Also got swerved when Marc Warren rocked up as a very lowly copper. One line and then out.

It is, at times, a little bit Monkfish.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on April 07, 2021, 02:32:01 PM
It is absolutely mental how much everyone smokes. Also 1992 must have been a high watermark for nipples on tv. Just before they invented the internet, I guess.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Phil_A on April 07, 2021, 02:34:23 PM
Glad they're re-running these as I've never been able to locate Series 3 on DVD at a reasonable price. Currently £90 on Amazon! Found 1 & 2 separately as very lucky charity shop finds.

Always interesting to compare and contrast the approach of "Lines" with Line Of Duty, from a production design point of view in particular.

In LOD the important police biz takes place in all brightly lit, open-plan spaces with lots of glass-fronted offices so everyone can spy on each other's shit all the time, whereas in BTL it's all dingy corridors and cramped little offices where you can practically smell the fag stench.

Steve "Sex Dwarf" Arnott seemingly gets as much lady action as the ever-randy DSI Clark does in "Lines", except it all takes place off-camera.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Alberon on April 07, 2021, 07:28:00 PM
I remember two things about this series. I really enjoyed it, and it really went off a cliff in its last series.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Ignatius_S on April 07, 2021, 07:51:27 PM
Thanks for the heads-up.

Been wanting to watch this since reading up about Tony Garnett’s career, a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on April 07, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
Didn't a startlingly young- looking  Jason Watkins have a part in this as a copper, or am I thinking of something else? As has been stated, it *is*  a very good series for spotting various English actor types, that smoothie tory from " The Thick Of It", that feller who played Stenroach on "Ideal", that actor who looks a bit like Jarvis Cocker whose daughter is quite popular on CaB,  Post - " Alfresco"  and Pre- " The High Life" Siobhan Redmond being all serious actorly, Tony Haygarth, Jim Carter, David Morrissey, etc. The feller playing Det. Sup. Tony Clark is a dead ringer for a slightly slimmer Lisa Jesusandmarychain, too.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Endicott on April 07, 2021, 08:58:41 PM
My memories of those old NotBBC meet photos are mostly turned to dust now, but I always had you as more like the bloke who plays him who's Chief Sup. John Deakin.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 07, 2021, 09:04:38 PM
Watched the first two of these. I like DS Connell, she's my favourite character followed by dry DI Naylor. Not keen on Clark, he's a bit of a thoughtless wanker really although seemingly good at investigating bent coppers*. Thanks for the heads up, this looks like a really good series. The most senior coppers in this seem to be utterly cynical about police corruption.

*could this be described as "Hastingsing"?

Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 08, 2021, 04:12:52 PM
Also I love the theme tune.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: beanheadmcginty on April 08, 2021, 05:20:51 PM
Just discovered that Neil Pearson was the narrator of the Poddington Peas.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gib on April 08, 2021, 09:16:41 PM
How do i get the rest of the episodes?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on April 09, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
Sunday nights, BBC4 after Line of Duty.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gib on April 09, 2021, 01:23:51 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 10, 2021, 07:17:06 PM
Watched the rest of the series 1 episodes so far on iplayer. I've seen most of series 2 before and would say the show is excellent, aside from the scenes showing Clark's personal life which I found very tedious. I get that some of his personal life affects how he does his job but a lot of those scenes I found tedious. The personal life/Clark shagging scenes are a very small part of the show though, the actual CIB stuff is well worth a watch.

Imagine how much the CIB offices must stink of fags. What would happen if a detective who was asthmatic got a job there?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on April 11, 2021, 10:06:45 PM
Tenpole-Tudor!
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 12, 2021, 02:57:48 PM
I remember two things about this series. I really enjoyed it, and it really went off a cliff in its last series.
Agree, and agree - I was a teenager when it was first on, and really enjoyed it. I remember Francesca Annis being extremely good in it, and I like how Wikipedia describes it as a surprise hit - just one of those shows that was written well and had a great cast.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 13, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
Eps  6 and 7 now on iplayer.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: sovietrussia on April 13, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
Eps  6 and 7 now on iplayer.

Never been a fan of Michael Angelis' irritating sing-song delivery and Tudor-Pole's scouse accent was an absolute atrocity in episode 6. However this is still cracking stuff.  There's an unrelenting, oppressive and unsensational bleakness about the whole show which I think you wouldn't see now - that late eighties/early nineties milieu depicts a gloomy time, just as I remember it.  I also love the police vernacular throughout, which seems unique to this show for the most part and would only really be expanded on when the David Simon police dramas came along in the 2000s.

Tom Georgeson is great as the down-at-heel, scruffy/weary old Inspector Naylor, but all the cast are great with often terrific guest turns (despite what I said earlier).  I can take or leave Clark's private life machinations, but I guess that's just something in a lot of drama during that time period.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on April 13, 2021, 11:32:46 AM
Couldn't decide if Tudor Pole's over-acting and 'scouse accent' were hilarious or excruciating.

Poor Molly Cope, getting that transfer from the Liverpool News (or whatever it was supposed to be called) to the Grauniad, so we the viewer get to see both cheeks of her bottom in a hotel room. I wonder what happened to the Rover P4 we saw she drove in that odd scene with her, the source, Naylor and Clark in the rain.

Am I right in thinking that the last series went downhill because the three of them had to leave the force and become mercenaries? Or am I thinking of the movie spinoff, where they all went to Spain on holiday and the hotel wasn't finished?

Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 13, 2021, 02:29:53 PM
According to Wikipedia, in the third series "Clark, Naylor and Connell leave the police force and work in the murky world of private security, far-right political groups and espionage"

I think they work for Deakin as well which seems somewhat unrealistic.

Without the police corruption surroundings the characters aren't nearly as interesting, they might as well have had Clark, Naylor and Connell open a B&B in Margate called "For The Benefit of the Tape".

Jaye Griffths, who played Molly Cope, also planned DI Johnson in The Bill. I think she's a great actor.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on April 15, 2021, 04:17:44 PM
Halfway through episode one. Two immediate thoughts: Neil Pearson, a decent actor generally, is a bit lightweight for the central role he has to play here. Some of the supporting actors have such 'lived-in' faces and mannerisms that they seep sleaze out their pores, but Pearson's version is too mannered. I get the same feeling of him not hitting the right note as I do when watching Nicholas Ball in Hazell. He may have graduated from sitcoms but not with a distinction. Also, the production is mostly pretty slick but some of the editing is awful, cutting between characters in conversations like we've suddenly been dropped into a different scene.

Still, brilliant to see Ciarán Hinds so soon after The Terror. 


Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on April 15, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
Ha ha, Pearson and Hinds are blatantly not there together in the scene starting at 25:50. That's hilarious. Is it even Ben Chaplin that Pearson bundles into his car after Hinds 'hands him over'?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on April 15, 2021, 05:24:23 PM
Halfway through episode one. Two immediate thoughts: Neil Pearson, a decent actor generally, is a bit lightweight for the central role he has to play here. Some of the supporting actors have such 'lived-in' faces and mannerisms that they seep sleaze out their pores, but Pearson's version is too mannered. I get the same feeling of him not hitting the right note as I do when watching Nicholas Ball in Hazell. He may have graduated from sitcoms but not with a distinction. Also, the production is mostly pretty slick but some of the editing is awful, cutting between characters in conversations like we've suddenly been dropped into a different scene.

Still, brilliant to see Ciarán Hinds so soon after The Terror.

That's who it is!

I thought ep 1 was a bit odd and think you've nailed it that NP is too lightweight for it. Weirdly there's a bit of a tonal shift from ep2 and he seems more at ease in it. I'm really enjoying it - mix of nostalgia and decent drama.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on April 16, 2021, 09:27:52 AM
Yes, just seen episode two - he drops the hard-bitten copper act and the cockney accent, and plays the role more like a beleaguered middle-manager, replete with whiny estuary inflection. The whole production looks far more slick and heavyweight too. Looks like the first episode might have had a bad case of pilot-itis.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on April 18, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
Solid amount of 'oh its him' tonight.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on April 19, 2021, 04:50:02 PM
Solid amount of 'oh its him' tonight.

Matey from Vicar Of Dibley, her Dad from Not Going Out, and Sickboy from Trainspotting. Cracking stuff.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 20, 2021, 05:10:24 PM
Is that Ep.9? Impressive karate (?) kick in that one.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on April 27, 2021, 08:43:54 AM
Matey from Vicar Of Dibley, her Dad from Not Going Out, and Sickboy from Trainspotting. Cracking stuff.

This week
Keith Allen and Paul Higgins are Monkfish: Customs and Excise.
(also Nigel Lindsay with 1 line)

John Hannah, Rudolph Walker and Father Larry Duff.

Both episodes really good, tbh, the first set in and around an early 90s Canary Wharf so some towers but also desolate quays. Decent plot and, while so very angry, Allen and Higgens were a delight. Second one, about a death in a police holding cell, also effective - no corruption, no-one did anything particularly wrong even, as far as I could make out.

Enjoying.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on April 27, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
Catching up slowly with these. David Bradley was absolutely phenomenal in the Masonic cover-up one. The one where the coppers were fencing goods (sorry, I'm making these sound like Freinds) was a bit nondescript and Ray Winstone was nicely sinister but underused. And yeah, who thought it was a good idea to cast Eddie Tudor-Pole as a Scouser? Then there's that bizarre moment in the Liverpool one where the whole plot judders to a halt because Clark's bit on the side decides to hike up there; he then takes a train to London so that he can appear in a one-scene garden party with his wife, before showing up in the Liverpool nick the next day like nothing's happened. 

Still think Pearson is the weak link in this, unfortunately. Clearly trying hard, but too vapid. Nice to see Tom Georgeson (Naylor) is still around at 83.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 27, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
I do feel with some of these episodes that they end the actual corruption story too soon, like with the officers fencing goods. There's loads of stuff about Clark's marriage and his affair which could be cut out so they don't end early.

The Customs episode was a bit confusing and meandered a bit.

I agree the garden party in the middle of the Liverpool scene is totally superfluous. I think Pearson is good in this but was given far too much irrelevant non-police stuff which made it a bit soapy.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on April 27, 2021, 12:45:29 PM
There was a hilarious scene in the one with Keith Allen in it, where Clarke's girlfriend and matey out of Soldier Soldier met for a drink in the beer garden of a pub sat at one of those tables where the SKOL umbrella with the fringe pokes through a hole in the middle and they (and the two extras who walk past the establishing pan shot) are studiously ignoring the fact that it's pissing hard with rain.

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Look, loves, the script says the scene is outdoors, and we simply don't have time to wait for it to stop raining.

We all know that those umbrellas don't work - unless you drop the parasol right down to head level, and the only reason anyone would do that is if they couldn't go and sit in the pub itself because they were (for instance) smoking a doobie.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on April 27, 2021, 01:46:53 PM
Ha, there's definitely a thread in 'Outdoor scenes in UK dramas where the actors are studiously ignoring the fact that the weather is shit'.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on May 05, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
There was a fair amount of superfluous rain in the last two episodes too - although it was at least acknowledged by the characters.

Now, I only dabble in suicide ideation, but I would definitely put 'jumping off the stern of a very crowded pleasure boat in broad daylight' very far down the list of methods. I mean, I might drown, if I couldn't swim, or the water was extremely cold, and no-one (not, for instance, the barmaid who'd served me endless gin and tonics even though I was clearly, incongruously, very unhappy) saw me go in... but I'd have said it was next to impossible to be chopped by the propeller of the boat I'd just vacated.

But, such is television.

Shame it looks as if they're not going to re-run any more of these.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on May 05, 2021, 03:25:30 PM
Dirty Tache Stephen Moore was the highlight in the last double header, I think.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on May 05, 2021, 03:29:09 PM
Shame it looks as if they're not going to re-run any more of these

Yeah just season one, it turns out. Not like anyone was actually invested in this outside of Line of Duty huh.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on May 05, 2021, 03:39:32 PM
Also love everyone using public payphones to make extremely involved private phone calls. Not ones in boxes, either - ones in the corners of noisy bars.

I'm old enough to remember those days, and I can tell you - it just wasn't done.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 05, 2021, 03:47:20 PM
Yeah just season one, it turns out. Not like anyone was actually invested in this outside of Line of Duty huh.
Disappointing, there are some very good episodes in Series 2.

Series 3 seems to be a load of plops from the 2 episodes I watched.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on May 05, 2021, 03:52:14 PM
I didn't really watch it properly at the time, but was there a scene where Tony Clark had full sex with a lady while actually driving his Saab on the motorway? Which series was that?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 05, 2021, 03:55:30 PM
I dont remember that. Must have been in Series 3. Clark does seem to be thinking with his knob half the time.

Watching Ep 13 of Series 1. Good to see Clark wearing a jacket with a big A on it in tribute to Anus Cop.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on May 05, 2021, 04:07:09 PM
I never go in HS Art... so I missed this at the time.

Huge.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,63786.150.html (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,63786.150.html)
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on May 06, 2021, 12:11:48 PM
I didn't really watch it properly at the time, but was there a scene where Tony Clark had full sex with a lady while actually driving his Saab on the motorway? Which series was that?

I only remember that from Points of View.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on May 06, 2021, 04:27:19 PM
The only bit I remember from this first time around was Harry getting demoted. I remember it built up a bit and thought it was the beginning of a series which would mean it happens in the one I've got left or I misremembered - reading wiki they all work for mi5 in s3.

Real shame they're not showing more just because Line of Duty has finished .
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on May 06, 2021, 05:13:15 PM
Bit slow on these but I watched episode 7 last night, the one where an investigation into the beating of a strike protestor rather inconveniently interferes with Tony's endless shagging.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 07, 2021, 07:55:50 PM
Do you think we could start a campaign to get them to show series 2 (which has some very good episodes, but NOT three? Not sure if the BBC would listen though.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: itsfredtitmus on May 07, 2021, 09:17:49 PM
Have all seasons on DVDs I got for a tenner from a charity shop. I'll cashout when their price reaches in the 100s

Nowhere as good as Cracker but it deals with social stuff a lot better if I remember (anyone seen the black man rapist episode of Cracker where McGovern tries to apply the 'you think I am: I am" rule like he did with the scouse episode?)
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: itsfredtitmus on May 07, 2021, 09:21:31 PM
Thought the scene in the 1st episode where they get raided and it's the wrong flat truly shocking
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on May 08, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
Watched the last episode last night. Incredible scenes aboard HMS Belfast with the school children. I laughed heartily.

Would happily join a campaign to get S2 shown. How do we do that these days? Is it all Twitter and Facebook?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 08, 2021, 03:39:40 PM
Not really sure. Petition and us all emailing the BBC?

Does Points of View still exist?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on May 15, 2021, 10:43:44 PM
Oh, fantastic. Last night I watched the first episode of last-ever classic-era Doctor Who story Survival, featuring a really nice cameo (sorry) from Kate Eaton as charity tin-rattling Ange. I thought, she's really good, I wonder if she did anything else. And tonight I watch episode eight of the first series of Between the Lines and there she is, putting in an equally good turn as P.C. Foley.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on May 25, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Phew, just managed to catch episode 11 (the one with the police cell suicide) before it dropped off the iPlayer. Really good, and includes one of the best lines in the series, especially after 11 episodes of watching Neil Pearson's arse surging under the bedsheets - Clarke's reply to Commander Huxtable's offer to set up him up in co-habitation with Jenny Dean is "I think this entire department has been set up to monitor my personal life", to which Commander Huxtable retorts "Well frankly Tony that's not something that requires a great deal of investigative effort". A long laugh after that one.

And Pearson has some horrendously shaped chest hair.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on May 26, 2021, 11:04:42 PM
And Pearson has some horrendously shaped chest hair.

He (or arguably the character Tony) is a really noisy kisser. I don't know if it is a bit of misophonia on my part but I had to cover my ears when some of the sexing was happening.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 27, 2021, 09:00:33 AM
The second series can be found on a site that rhymes with MooDube

"Neil, can you try that kissing a little bit louder?"
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on May 31, 2021, 08:21:50 PM
He (or arguably the character Tony) is a really noisy kisser

Yes! If I haven't mentioned it so far, I've meant to.

One episode from the end now. Thankfully there's no Jenny Dean in the finale (at least I presume not), her constant whingy grimace was really annoying.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on May 31, 2021, 09:56:53 PM
Yes! If I haven't mentioned it so far, I've meant to.

One episode from the end now. Thankfully there's no Jenny Dean in the finale (at least I presume not), her constant whingy grimace was really annoying.

What did you think of her chosen suicide method?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 01, 2021, 09:52:38 AM
No guarantee of the desired outcome, if it was premeditated. Even if she was thinking about jumping, I reckon with several gins inside her she might have just toppled in. 
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on June 01, 2021, 06:48:11 PM
Yes I wondered how deliberate it might have been.

Would be interested to know what you think of the action packed denouement. Then we can mock it together.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on June 01, 2021, 09:58:14 PM
You know, I havenae seen that episode since it was first broadcast, but I still remember that scene from dead police lady's funeral, where are Tony approaches dplc's dad,  trying to have loads of gravitas and be all sombre, introducing himself and all that, and the unimpressed dad says ( and I believe I'm quoting this verbatim) " Yeah, I 'eard....you were giving her one. Thanks a lot.", and poor old Tony looks all deflated.
It's funny the things that stick in your mind, eh?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 02, 2021, 03:02:39 PM
Ooh, just managed to sneak in the last episode (sorry, the season finale) last night before it dropped off the iPlayer.

Good to know it isn't just Russell T. Davies who thinks it's exciting to have a climactic scene where the hero is attacked by a villain driving a very small forklift (was that in Borough market before it became a hipster foodie haven?). At least it kept Neil Pearson away from the Denning interview scenes, which were frankly much better for his absence. In another Doctor Who tradition, Bernard Horsfall turns up at the end of an epic storyline as part of a trio to try the antagonist. Except aaah he isn't the antagonist, it's weasely Deakin trying to push his weight around, didn't expect that did you! No, because it's a ridiculous twist - but I suppose it was at least in keeping with the series' mantra that it's often the smallest players causing the biggest problems. Anyway it's off to HMS Belfast for an action-packed denouement, except the only action is Clarke thumping Deakin in the midriff once he's been caught.

By far the best scene of the episode was the closing part where Naylor and Connell swiftly head off to resume their social lives leaving Clarke to becry his solitary fate as his ex wife and her new partner waltz happily past in the rain. Oh, Tony. Sort your life out.

Structurally I thought the biggest problem with the series was that the Carswell case appeared a couple of episodes in as what looked like another one-off story, then wasn't mentioned for a few episodes, then came back to prominence in the final few instalments once we'd forgotten most of the details. If only they knew about story arcs in those days, eh.   
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 02, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
We could do with Tony Clark around while this Dalian Atkinson murdering cunt (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-57331711) is on trial.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on June 02, 2021, 07:43:48 PM
Ooh, just managed to sneak in the last episode (sorry, the season finale) last night before it dropped off the iPlayer.

Good to know it isn't just Russell T. Davies who thinks it's exciting to have a climactic scene where the hero is attacked by a villain driving a very small forklift (was that in Borough market before it became a hipster foodie haven?). At least it kept Neil Pearson away from the Denning interview scenes, which were frankly much better for his absence. In another Doctor Who tradition, Bernard Horsfall turns up at the end of an epic storyline as part of a trio to try the antagonist. Except aaah he isn't the antagonist, it's weasely Deakin trying to push his weight around, didn't expect that did you! No, because it's a ridiculous twist - but I suppose it was at least in keeping with the series' mantra that it's often the smallest players causing the biggest problems. Anyway it's off to HMS Belfast for an action-packed denouement, except the only action is Clarke thumping Deakin in the midriff once he's been caught.

Yes - Borough Market indeed. I like seeing it pre-hipster days and declaring (like a hipster) that I liked it before it got famous. It seems to crop up a lot in things of that era. Am guessing that as market times were pretty tight it would be deserted very early and after about 2 so ideal for filming poor fight scenes.

I very much got the impression they though it would be a great idea to film the climax[1] on HMS Belfast but it turned out to be a terrible idea full of long shots and awkward set ups because of tourists. The highlight for me was the kids apprehending Deakin. It was just like the end of a Children's Film Foundation production. Mad and brilliant. Loved the reaction from one of the kids when Deakin got it in the goolies from Tone.

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By far the best scene of the episode was the closing part where Naylor and Connell swiftly head off to resume their social lives leaving Clarke to becry his solitary fate as his ex wife and her new partner waltz happily past in the rain. Oh, Tony. Sort your life out.

When I was watching this I said "Oh that's <forgotten her name> in the bar isn't it?" I was told it wasn't then only moments later I graciously accepted a full and unconditional apology from all concerned. I quite liked the understated way Tony got his comeuppance and <forgotten her name> had moved on nicely. No doubt he will be noisily kissing someone else soon enough in S2 (I can't remember anything about it at all but will try and find it on MooDube).

Did feel sorry for Jenny though - as LJMAC says the lasting memory of her in the series is basically her dad pointing out at the funeral that Tony had chucked it up her and should be ashamed of himself.

Overall - really glad they showed this and Endicott brought it to CaB's attention. Was at least 3.75 x better than Line of Duty.

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Structurally I thought the biggest problem with the series was that the Carswell case appeared a couple of episodes in as what looked like another one-off story, then wasn't mentioned for a few episodes, then came back to prominence in the final few instalments once we'd forgotten most of the details. If only they knew about story arcs in those days, eh.   

Yea - that wasn't big enough to remember 4 episodes later. Most I could recall was couple of coppers had fabricated a confession and Jenny had not corroborated it (or had and had then gone back on it).

Does make me wonder how we used to keep up with Taggart 3-parters only shown on a Monday night and a whole week in between. Seemed to work - or maybe no-one in the 80s followed anything and we just pretended.
 1. Steady on, Reg - Thanks to Kenny Everett for making me say that every single time I hear the word
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 21, 2021, 03:09:11 PM
So after a hiatus to recharge my police drama capacity I headed over to YouTube to kick off season two, and one of the most entertaining episodes so far. Nice nod to continuity to resolve the Deakin case in a way which provides affirmation that the bad apples generally get away with their misdemeanours; and the new boss twist at the end confirms that it's not how many bent coppers you put away but, who you know that gets you up the greasy pole. Interesting that Clarke is largely side-lined during his brief spell in charge but frankly it's difficult to feel any sympathy for the c*nt after his horrible sneaky behaviour spying on Harry Naylor's ballroom evening. Jealous much, Tony?

Anyway the other main talking point is Daniel Craig's appearance. In fact it's of so much significance that I'm tempted to start a thread on Craig's pre-Bond career, what might have been if 007 hadn't come calling, and whether or not he's any good in roles that don't involve him simply pouting as he stalks around looking for a fight. I'd say he's not too bad in this, if you believe that with some of his more unconvincing scenes he's playing a character making a less than convincing job of being in character.

Best WTF moment was the opening titles though, which now have 'BETWEEN THE LINES' scrolling continuously at the top and bottom of the screen, so when the main 'BETWEEN THE LINES' title appears in the middle, it's 'BETWEEN THE LINES' between the 'BETWEEN THE LINES' lines. In case you'd forgotten you were watching 'BETWEEN THE LINES'.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 21, 2021, 04:56:55 PM
Interesting that Clarke is largely side-lined during his brief spell in charge but frankly it's difficult to feel any sympathy for the c*nt after his horrible sneaky behaviour spying on Harry Naylor's ballroom evening. Jealous much, Tony?

Doesn't Clarke make a few silly jokes about it to a confused Harry, as if it is hilarious someone should be engaged in something after work that isn't shagging?

Series 2 is really good.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on June 22, 2021, 04:38:39 PM
Being a spoiler free as possible - does Harry get demoted at the beginning of S2?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 22, 2021, 04:53:06 PM
Don't think so - unless he briefly acts up in Clarke's S1 role (while Tony's filling in for Deakin) only to be brought back down to earth when Graves gets the permanent job?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: paruses on June 22, 2021, 05:56:20 PM
Don't think so - unless he briefly acts up in Clarke's S1 role (while Tony's filling in for Deakin) only to be brought back down to earth when Graves gets the permanent job?
Hmm. I thought he got caught doing something suspect and was demoted rather than fired. It's not mentioned on Wikipedia either and series 3 seems all about the security services. Could be mid-series I suppose. Or it could be a completely different programme. It was a long time ago now.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on June 30, 2021, 08:31:56 AM
I'm about halfway through the second series now, and as you've all said - it's great.

Tonty hasn't been getting his legover at all though (OK - once. And he gets her name wrong) - although he's been giving enough people the glad eye. He's also given up smoking, though I wonder if that's the actor insisting he can't hack the fags.

I think Siobhan Redmond is a terrible actor. She just always looks like she's acting. With a stupid wig on (I know it's not a wig). In a Victoria Wood sketch. Mo's boyfriend really doesn't seem her type. I am always fascinated to see architects depicted on tv. He's got his drawing board in the spare room, with his circle template and his Rotring pens...

The story arc is shaping up nicely. The clash with MI5, that lady from the Home Office. The episode with the Hillsborough parallels was very well done - stuff in there about the guy in nominal charge being completely unqualified, and being thrown under the bus by his superiors - am I right to say these things which weren't known about in the mainstream for many years later (obviously everyone knew something was rotten)?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 30, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
I think Siobhan Redmond is a terrible actor. She just always looks like she's acting. With a stupid wig on (I know it's not a wig). In a Victoria Wood sketch. Mo's boyfriend really doesn't seem her type. I am always fascinated to see architects depicted on tv. He's got his drawing board in the spare room, with his circle template and his Rotring pens...


I think she plays the cool, detached type pretty well. To be honest there doesn't seem to be a huge amount in her character to latch on to acting-wise so I guess that's why she's gone for a bit of an archetype. She certainly nails episode two ('Manslaughter'), which is where I'm up to. Yeah, I'm expecting some kind of twist with the architect boyfriend. 

Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on June 30, 2021, 09:56:24 AM
Hard to explain what I mean. Yes the character is a cypher - which isn't her fault -  but I think it's the hair. It distracts.

Sorry - I hope I wasn't spoiling anything for you up there??
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on June 30, 2021, 10:35:05 AM
Not at all, you're just on the right side of tantalising :)
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 30, 2021, 02:26:13 PM
Being a spoiler free as possible - does Harry get demoted at the beginning of S2?

Yes, but I think it is nearer the middle than the beginning that it happens.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on July 02, 2021, 04:23:12 PM
Just watched the first episode of series 3. So far it *kind of* works, as the consequences of the end of series 2 are playing out... but they've already been to Tunisia for some reason.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on August 03, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
Is anyone else going to finish watching this?

I've only got the series 3 finale (two episodes) to go, but I've been saving them.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 03, 2021, 04:22:05 PM
Watched most episodes of series 2 and really enjoyed them, I thought that Manoeuvre 11 and Jumping the Lights were the best episodes from series 2. I also like how a lot of the time in both series CIB don't solve the crime and sort everything out neatly like in a lot of police shows. There's a lot of politics and coppers closing ranks to prevent a result at the end of the episode.

Watched part of the first episode of series 3 and just couldn't get into it. Are any of the other episodes of series 3 any better?

I think Mo and Harry are usually quite good at their jobs but Clark's brain is in his penis (although a very well acted character, would someone that sex obsessed be kept as a CIB DCI?). He even tries to get off with Mo, who works under him..
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: gilbertharding on August 03, 2021, 05:09:08 PM
The rest of the series tones down the 'Between the Lines *IN SPACE!*' angle a little bit.

In fact, it gets back almost to normal - there's a lot of business early doors about Mo still being in the police and then half in and half out. And Deakin turns up every week like a Machiavellian toad.

There is a lot of unintended comedy about Tony trying to become a small business owner - prodding away at his brand new computer while smoking furiously and frowning at the spiral bound user manual, or else looking at his fax machine willing it to work somehow. They get an accounts assistant in the end.

Someone on youtube comments remembered that people used to call it Between the Thighs.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on August 03, 2021, 05:37:14 PM
Up to (i.e. just watched) S02E08, very much still enjoying it. Favourite bit so far has been the brilliant little character moment in "Some Must Watch..." where the high-ranking MI5 chap turns up to speak to Clarke at the T.A. centre and can't work out whether to push or pull the entrance doors. Up there with anything in le Carré adaptations, that.

Someone on youtube comments remembered that people used to call it Between the Thighs

'Between the Sheets' got bandied about a lot at the time.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 03, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
SPOILER IS ALSO NSFW (contains descriptions of sex organs)

Watching part 1 of the Series 3 finale now and there is an amusing bit with Deakin turning up at Clarke's flat and being discovered by a naked Clarke who is with a naked lady (we see her breasts but don't see Clark's genitals)

SPOILER IS ALSO NSFW
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on August 31, 2021, 09:30:04 AM
Finally got round to watching the brilliant double-episode conclusion to season two. All I can say is, it's a crying shame we were denied a spin-off series: Naylor

Interesting that it was season three which won the Best Drama BAFTA, despite it being the least representative of what the series was trying to do. And if you want to take a guess which show won in '92 and '93...

Inspector Morse
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 01, 2021, 01:16:00 PM
Late to the Season 2 party. Think the first episode was one of the best ones so far. Enjoyed.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 01, 2021, 04:09:45 PM
The one in the TA Centre with MI5. No idea quite what's going on but several laughs ("what's this then, bloody mothers' union" and the smoking vote) and its a veritable who's who of Oh It's Them. Even Nick the Greek from Lock, Stock ...
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 01, 2021, 05:08:52 PM
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The episode with the Hillsborough parallels was very well done - stuff in there about the guy in nominal charge being completely unqualified, and being thrown under the bus by his superiors - am I right to say these things which weren't known about in the mainstream for many years later (obviously everyone knew something was rotten)?

Agree with this. There's a line, when the senior police man is in the hospital, about people being there to cause trouble and stanley knife wounds that's quite on the nose.

Roy Cropper channelling Derek Hatton at the start.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 03, 2021, 08:15:57 AM
I'm re- viewing the episodes on YouTube now, and no-one's seen fit in all the, " Oh, it's him/ her off..." mentions to point out the presence of the Double- Take Brother Who Isn't Harry Enfield in Se01, EP 09 ( at first, it looked like he wasnae going to have any lines, but he starts interacting with Tom Georgeson and Siobhan Redmond about halfway through the episode. He performs a nice , insouciant bit of biccy nicking from Siobhan Redmond, too. " That's  mah biscuit!"). Shame on you all.
Tom " Guv" Georgeson very good in this too, looks just right for the part, and  lovely convincing cockernee  accent ( He's a Scouser, y'know).
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 04, 2021, 06:29:50 AM
David Cann!
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 04, 2021, 06:55:11 AM
Also, in that one with Keith Allen With Hair and Jamie The Angry Scotsman as Customs and Excise, did anyone notice a very young That Feller Who Plays The SAS Bloke On Alan Partridge giving some info to Nicky Henson ?
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 04, 2021, 10:53:02 AM
Bullet Baxter denying The Holocaust!
( Started the second series now)
Also, that bloke who still wished he was on " Brookside" when he appeared on " Sean's Show" getting punched in the mush by James Bond!
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on September 08, 2021, 07:59:00 PM
Started S03E01 but had to stop when Tony and Harry were trundling round the streets of Tunis. I'll get back to it eventually I guess.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Norton Canes on September 08, 2021, 09:40:49 PM
Blimey. It rattles through a lot in the last half hour.
Title: Re: Between The Lines
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
Just watched the first episode of the third series, and it was absolutely ridiculous. One commenter under the video wrote simply " Holiday On The Buses", and that seemed apt. I have the feeling that things are only going to get sillier, but will persevere anyways.
" Ooh, it's him " actors: Tony Osoba as the customs feller and Jim Barclay as some chief super or other, having risen through the ranks since accusing people of stealing white man's electricity as a humble PC.