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Title: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 07, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
The following countries are on the green list, where people can travel to and not have to quarantine:

QuotePortugal
Israel
Singapore
Australia
New Zealand
Brunei
Iceland
Gibraltar
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
St Helena, Tristan de Cunha, Ascension Island

Of course Australia, Singapore and New Zealand have their borders closed at the moments.

COVID tests will be required before and after travel to those on the green list. I expect Portugal will be the main beneficiary of being on the green list. Perhaps there will be a resurge in Falklands Island tourism among gammons (I'd be interested to visit if it wasn't so environmentally damaging).

Meanwhile, Turkey, Maldives and Nepal go on the red list from 0400 BST Wednesday.

More information on the rules can be found here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52544307

I haven't been anywhere outside of England or Wales for a decade and doubt I'll be going anywhere aside from hopefully Scotland, NI and ROI in the next decade.

Anyone got any overseas holiday planned from 17th May and will they be affected by which countries are on the green list and which aren't? Given how quickly things could change booking a holiday abroad must feel a bit uncertain still.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on May 07, 2021, 06:34:13 PM
Finally I can go to the South Sandwich Islands!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 07, 2021, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 07, 2021, 06:34:13 PM
Finally I can go to the South Sandwich Islands!

Damn, I'm headed to the North Sandwiches, or else we could have had a ...(looks it up)...CaB South Atlantic meet.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on May 07, 2021, 06:57:31 PM
Barring their hitting the red list (which they're bound to now, the universe is specifically configured to fuck with me), I'm going to Greece this summer. Have squirrelled away ten days extra leave in case we have to isolate at home on return. I need a break, I've had it with this fucking country and its population of racist morons, and just want to be somewhere else for a while.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 07, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
QuoteIreland has retained its "supergreen" status, with no significant checks for incoming travellers to the UK thanks to its membership of the Common Travel Area.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fishfinger on May 07, 2021, 07:00:03 PM
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Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2021, 07:10:47 PM
I wouldn't even visit a friend by a train at the moment let along get a fucking flight. Cunts are mad.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: DrGreggles on May 07, 2021, 07:14:52 PM
BUT I WANNA GO 'MERICA!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: flotemysost on May 08, 2021, 10:28:54 AM
One of my flatmates (who is a key worker and can't afford to take time off to quarantine) is hoping to be able to see her family for the first time in over a year, so that's nice.

I'm not gonna be booking any holidays abroad any time soon though. TAP fights to Portugal are about 500 quid either way at the  moment anyway, unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 08, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
I cannat be fooked with it either for the time being. Maybe late autumn if there's good news continent-wide. The expense and hassle is definitely winning out over the positives of being there.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on May 08, 2021, 12:09:50 PM
We've booked everything. Did so months ago. With free cancellation of course. We haven't paid for the place we stay at yet, just a deposit, but the owners know us and will let that deposit roll over to next year. Does that sound reckless or insensitive? But we figured, it would either be sorted out by then or it wouldn't. We had to do something to make ourselves feel like we had some say in our destiny, rather than just another year in limbo. And if it happens, it'll be nice to put one over on the cunts who a) will go on holiday regardless of what the situation is by then, and fuck everybody else; and b) can afford to pay the inflated prices that are now being charged.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 08, 2021, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 08, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
I cannat be fooked with it either for the time being. Maybe late autumn if there's good news continent-wide. The expense and hassle is definitely winning out over the positives of being there.

I'm booked for a trip around Central Europe in autumn if you want to join me ;) It's just me and the lads, Otto, Brandt, Vaslev and Dirk.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shiftwork2 on May 08, 2021, 02:58:12 PM
Written off for another year, too much mither.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: seepage on May 08, 2021, 05:29:40 PM
Funchal in November, but as as Portugal's on the green list, bound to be overbooked and I'll get shunted off to a different hotel in the chain that's miles from the centre, as is the custom.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on May 08, 2021, 05:52:04 PM
Didn't realize this was on the cards. Will St Boris and chums be updating this list regularly? I'm assuming it is based on vaccine rates and local caseload?

Would be nice to have family visit soon if we can.

Edit: yeah ostensibly determined by vaccines and case numbers per the BBC article.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Dex Sawash on May 08, 2021, 06:24:02 PM
May drive up to Virginia this afternoon or tomorrow
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shiftwork2 on May 08, 2021, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on May 08, 2021, 06:24:02 PM
May drive up to Virginia this afternoon or tomorrow

Check out Mr Big Balls
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 09, 2021, 06:40:01 PM
SAGE and other scientists concerned about UK international travel plans: https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2021/may/09/traffic-light-travel-plan-will-let-new-covid-variants-into-uk-scientists-warn
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Pinball on May 10, 2021, 11:17:04 PM
If stupid people want to catch Covid, go for it.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Blinder Data on May 17, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
People are flying out on summer holidays today.

Good for them! I'm so happy that normal life is returning.

*FAST FOWARD TO OCTOBER 2021*

Daily Mail: "Cases rising as new Torremolinos variant means UK's COVID death toll reaches grim milestone"

My goodness! Who could've seen this coming...?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 17, 2021, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 17, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
People are flying out on summer holidays today.

Good for them! I'm so happy that normal life is returning.

*FAST FOWARD TO OCTOBER 2021*

Daily Mail: "Cases rising as new Torremolinos variant means UK's COVID death toll reaches grim milestone"

My goodness! Who could've seen this coming...?

Blight Back in Blighty!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shiftwork2 on May 17, 2021, 06:53:49 PM
AL GRAVE more like.

Would be nice though, had half an eye on a Lisbon city break but it's just too much bleedin' mither.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 03, 2021, 03:46:26 PM
Portugal now on amber list.

The following countries are going to be added to the red list:

Afghanistan
Bahrain
Costa Rica
Egypt
Sudan
Trinidad and Tobago
Sri Lanka
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on June 03, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
Bang goes my weekend in the Sudan :(
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on June 03, 2021, 04:10:51 PM
What about South Sudan?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 03, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
South Sudan is on the amber list.

QuotePortugal is currently on the green list, but the BBC understands it will move to the amber list from Tuesday 8 June.

Portugal has declared a "situation of calamity" until at least 13 June

We'll see a rush of UK holidaymakers trying to get back before the 8th June now. I suppose the hope is that if they give five days rather than two there won't be so many people travelling at once.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Bleeding Kansas on June 03, 2021, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on June 03, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
Bang goes my weekend in the Sudan :(
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 03, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
South Sudan is on the amber list..

Problem Solved
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 03, 2021, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 03, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
South Sudan is on the amber list.

We'll see a rush of UK holidaymakers trying to get back before the 8th June now. I suppose the hope is that if they give five days rather than two there won't be so many people travelling at once.

Best bung them on quarantine ships from what im hearing. Its another fuckdown, unfortunately
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: jobotic on June 03, 2021, 05:36:57 PM
FFS. Another feeling of panic then.

Why is there another fuckdown? because the variant is too strong for the vaccines?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on June 03, 2021, 06:16:00 PM
Can't believe we're banned from Trinidad AND Tobago.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 03, 2021, 06:47:43 PM
Quote from: jobotic on June 03, 2021, 05:36:57 PM
FFS. Another feeling of panic then.

Why is there another fuckdown? because the variant is too strong for the vaccines?

Spoiler alert
If you've been vaccinated twice, things are looking ok with respect to antibodies - sharp jump up towards 80-100% - better if you are Pfizer and female.

Hospitalisations occurring more in the young (i.e. unvaccinated).

R number > 1 with significant confidence, doubling time < week in some instances. Delta variant to blame. Can't say more on that...
[close]
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 03, 2021, 07:07:21 PM
I actually have a holiday to Portugal booked for the winter which was bumped from last year. Should be fine by then. Just gonna roll it if not possible.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on June 03, 2021, 07:12:49 PM
I'm actually going to be recreating Dante Alighieri's trek up Mount Purgatorio in a few months so I hope all travel bans are gone by then.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Kankurette on June 03, 2021, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 08, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
I cannat be fooked with it either for the time being. Maybe late autumn if there's good news continent-wide. The expense and hassle is definitely winning out over the positives of being there.
Me neither. I'm not going abroad until next year at least, now that Primavera's been cancelled again. And fucking Brexit just complicates things.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Blue Jam on June 09, 2021, 09:36:13 AM
You could always go on a cruise of the UK, on a ship which usually sleeps 6,000 but currently has a limit of 900 and feels like a ghost ship. Except you can't even do that now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57406705

Pure deso.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: steveh on June 09, 2021, 09:57:55 AM
Walking across Hampstead Heath yesterday there was a woman ahead of me who was having a long phone conversation about how because of lockdown they'd had to move all their holidays for the year to the autumn so now she had Dubai, St Lucia and The Maldives one after the other and she really didn't know how she was going to manage it all. Tough life innit.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on June 21, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
Has there been any update on this? It looks like direct family of Canadian citizens can enter the country without quarantine as of July 5th as long as they've been vaxxed to high heaven and test negative before and after their flight under a family reunion exemption.

I haven't seen anything from the UK gov though, thought they'd be desperate for a bit of the old travel.

The UK gov website says you "should not" travel to an amber/red country, but is that the same as "we'll stop you or you'll get in shit if you try it"? Or like "we advise against it" but the advice of a load of old etonians can be safely discarded.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 21, 2021, 08:09:14 PM
Yes, it's an absolute farce.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on June 21, 2021, 08:25:12 PM
Not as much of a farce as the nearest international airport being a 13hr drive away, I assure you.

My mum works as a school librarian and once September rolls around, we're stuck waiting until Christmas so I'm a bit more willing to try and make travel happen before then. We're all vaccinated and willing to do whatever the relevant governments want us to, but it's not clear exactly what those requirements are.

On the Canadian end, they'd have to fly to Montréal then on here, and go through federal and provincial border checks (both of which change on a weekly basis it seems like). I can work out the logistics of that without too much hassle (probably just an extra connecting flight and another covid test or two), but I don't understand the UK regulations and I'm wondering if they've filtered through to popular reporting as a result you lot have a clearer picture of it all.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 15, 2021, 09:01:21 AM
The travel industry aren't happy about the government moving the Baleric islands onto the amber list from Monday. However Shapps has said that case rates have doubled since the islands were added to the green watchlist. I don't usually defend the government but it seems entirely logical to move the Baleric islands to the amber list. Whether they should do it earlier is another question.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mippy on July 22, 2021, 12:33:56 PM
Have a trip to Chicago booked for October, which is looking increasingly unlikely. Especially as AZ isn't one of the vaccines approved by the FDA.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on July 22, 2021, 09:14:08 PM
We've bitten the bullet and cancelled our holiday in Greece. And have made alternative arrangements. It can be intermittently useful having a spouse who has family in the Channel Islands... 👍
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: imitationleather on July 22, 2021, 09:28:38 PM
One of my mates has just moved to Rome and he keeps sending me WhatsApp videos of him in bars eating cheap as shit meat skewers.

Let me in, Italy. I wanna do that too!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on July 22, 2021, 10:45:01 PM
Mater and pater have booked their flights to Canada.

Smell ya later, plague island[nb]from Monday onwards[/nb]!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 22, 2021, 11:29:16 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on June 09, 2021, 09:36:13 AM
You could always go on a cruise of the UK, on a ship which usually sleeps 6,000 but currently has a limit of 900 and feels like a ghost ship. Except you can't even do that now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57406705

Pure deso.

Cruise ships do seem inherently awful but by far I'd have to say the most outputting thing about them is the fact they'd be full of people who want to go on cruise ships.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 12:04:29 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on June 03, 2021, 07:12:49 PM
I'm actually going to be recreating Dante Alighieri's trek up Mount Purgatorio in a few months so I hope all travel bans are gone by then.
dont you have to go up lucifer's bum to get there? not really in the spirit of social distancing that
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 23, 2021, 08:02:49 AM
As far as I can tell, with regards to travelling to Poland, you just need proof of being double-jabbed. To get back onto Plague Island you need to have a test within 3 days of your return flight, then another within 3 days of your arrival back here.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on July 23, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 23, 2021, 08:02:49 AM
As far as I can tell, with regards to travelling to Poland, you just need proof of being double-jabbed. To get back onto Plague Island you need to have a test within 3 days of your return flight, then another within 3 days of your arrival back here.

Same for Canada. One test 72hrs before you leave and another 72hrs before you return, and proof of vaccine status.

I'm not saying it's easy (Poland may have additional restrictions - Canada does so that's just half of the requirements) and it's a lot of hoops to jump through, but it is much more feasible now than even a few months ago. If you think it'll be beneficial, I think it's fine to go.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on July 23, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 23, 2021, 08:02:49 AM
As far as I can tell, with regards to travelling to Poland, you just need proof of being double-jabbed. To get back onto Plague Island you need to have a test within 3 days of your return flight, then another within 3 days of your arrival back here.

That's also my understanding for amber list countries, assuming you were double jabbed in the UK, otherwise you have to quarantine as well. It's ridiculous how the UK is still unable to recognise the standard vaccination certificate used throughout the EU, while most EU countries will accept UK vaccination certificates (whether they should or not is another issue).
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 30, 2021, 10:07:18 AM
Given the majority of France's Beta coronavirus cases are coming from the island of La Reunion, why isn't La Reunion on the UK's red list? At the moment it is on the amber list.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 02, 2021, 08:14:22 AM
Went to book getting 2-day test for our return. Most clock in at around £75 per test, you really have to dig through a lot of crap (On-site tests are just as expensive) to find the few that are relatively affordable. £25 is the cheapest we have found.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 02, 2021, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 02, 2021, 08:14:22 AM
Went to book getting 2-day test for our return. Most clock in at around £75 per test, you really have to dig through a lot of crap (On-site tests are just as expensive) to find the few that are relatively affordable. £25 is the cheapest we have found.

What place did you end up booking with? Have to book some for my folks when they get back.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 02, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 02, 2021, 10:17:16 AM
What place did you end up booking with? Have to book some for my folks when they get back.

I'll check later and get back to you as girlfriend did it on her computer. You pre-order them so they get sent so they (should) arrive within 2 days of landing back in the UK. Complete the test and then send it back (website was unclear as to whether you pay for the postage or not) via an approved COVID post office (or something like that). Seems like most POs are OK for it.

Some of the links were for places on Harley Street etc, with some clocking in at £175 per person. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on August 02, 2021, 02:52:22 PM
That would be helpful, the going rate for the day-2 home test seems to be about 70 quid, which seems a little steep. The prices on the gov.uk website seem to be completely wrong.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 02, 2021, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 02, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
I'll check later and get back to you as girlfriend did it on her computer. You pre-order them so they get sent so they (should) arrive within 2 days of landing back in the UK. Complete the test and then send it back (website was unclear as to whether you pay for the postage or not) via an approved COVID post office (or something like that). Seems like most POs are OK for it.

Some of the links were for places on Harley Street etc, with some clocking in at £175 per person. Ridiculous.

Yeah that's what I've been seeing as well.

On this end we just gave up and spent 2x £150 to get it done because there are far fewer private providers in my bit of Canada (healthcare system provides walk-in same day PCR tests free, no questions asked, results back in an hour or two so why would anyone go private?!), but I haven't a clue on the UK side.

That service sounds perfect if you manage to find the name and I'll give them a go.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on August 02, 2021, 07:00:53 PM
It seems to be the same here, the list of testing companies is ranked by ascending price, and yet the notionally cheapest will turn out to be unavailable or no test slots until September or you have to attend in person but their one site in the country isn't anywhere near you.

I said to MrsMoth today that I'm yet to have any moment of "Drat, it looks like we could have gone to Greece after all" - and she agreed...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on August 02, 2021, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: mothman on August 02, 2021, 07:00:53 PM
It seems to be the same here, the list of testing companies is ranked by ascending price, and yet the notionally cheapest will turn out to be unavailable or no test slots until September or you have to attend in person but their one site in the country isn't anywhere near you.

I said to MrsMoth today that I'm yet to have any moment of "Drat, it looks like we could have gone to Greece after all" - and she agreed...

I found that most of the tests priced less than £40 were simply not available or actually priced at 70+ when you get to the website. The cheapest available test I could find was around £40, so I decided to order one of them, then at the last stage of the checkout they added another £10 shipping and £10 VAT. Wankers. I still ordered it though because I'd already typed all my details in, and assumed all the others providers would probably just do the same.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on August 02, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
Cheapest I could find a month ago were Randox with an easyjet discount code
https://www.easyjet.com/en/covid-19-travel-hub/covid-19-testing-providers
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
Sorry, I forgot to ask my girlfriend last night, but i have just messaged her so she will look (we need to book ours as well) when she gets home from work.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 06:48:45 PM
Scrap this, the £29 quid test had 1.5 out of stars with 86% of 519 reviews giving it the worst review. They all seem to be total dogshit regardless of price. Best so far seems to be Nomad Travel at £35. Only 9 reviews to base it off though.

What happens if you don't take the test?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 03, 2021, 07:14:21 PM
They fine you 500 quid a go I think!

Will keep looking but it's good to have some names to start out with. Thanks!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
We went with HASU Diagnostics as they had the best reviews £48 for Amber day 2 only test at home with £8 delivery. Think it's free to return it, but who knows as all these sites are pretty opaque with contradictory statements on different pages.

We also looked at:
Randox (Shit)
Nomad Travel (probably 2nd best and cheaper than above)
(something) 440... (Shit)
Breathe Assured (Shit, because it's actually Randox)
Expert-Medicals (Total AIDS, this is the 519 reviewed 86% AIDS)

Basically, you know when you see that Matt Hancock has given his mate 576 million quid?, Well, it's probably these jokers.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 03, 2021, 09:51:17 PM
Oh nice one, appreciate the heads up. We're a few weeks away from needing it, but good to know.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: thelittlemango on August 03, 2021, 11:06:17 PM
If you go on the NHS website and click to say you've been in contact with someone who has had symptoms you can get free PCR tests and results within a day of postage, is that not allowed somehow?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on August 04, 2021, 12:36:02 AM
Though I guess you could possibly get away with it, in theory you're meant to isolate for a certain amount of time after the contact regardless of what the test comes back as. I think - the rules are so complicated and seem to change all the time anyway. So you could find yourself with some tricky questions to answer. As I say, chances are you might get away with it because they don't seem to be that joined up, but Sod's law you'd be the one who'd get done for one minor transgression while all the cunts who flaunt the rules swan by unmolested...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 04, 2021, 07:58:32 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 03, 2021, 09:51:17 PM
Oh nice one, appreciate the heads up. We're a few weeks away from needing it, but good to know.

We're away next Wednesday and back the following Wednesday, so I should be able to let you know if HASU Diagnostics are any good before you need to book anything.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on August 04, 2021, 10:09:02 AM
I'm meant to travel to Spain for a research thing in early September, and apparently they will accept the NHS's 'covid passport', but fuck me, is it an exercise in frustration trying to get one when you haven't got a Smart phone.

Just to see what's involved in good time, I've been trying to generate one this morning -- Spain requires that the NHS 'passport' matches the way your name appears on your UK passport; this is something I want to check now, as I think with the NHS, I'm just registered as FirstName Surname, whereas my UK passport is FirstName MiddleName Surname.

Just trying to get to the NHS passport is frustrating the heck out of me -- fair enough they want to be very careful about confirming your identity, but so far I've had to enter my log in name and password twice, provide them with a number they sent to me by text; they've wanted a photo ID scanned in (passport, driving licence), and I gave up when I got to the page asking me to make a video of me reciting a series of numbers (this PC hasn't got a camera/mic on it, so I'd have to get out my laptop for all that).

I really do'nt want to have to buy a Smartphone just to do this :(  (I rarely phone anyone and rarely text -- I've just got a pay-as-you-go phone, so a Smartphone would be a monthly expense I don't need, and would languish in a drawer most of the time).

Thing is, I generated one of these Covd passports off the NHS site a couple of weeks ago, no probs -- entered in my details and NHS number, and got back a file with a QR code to print out. I guess they've upped security and double checking ID since then.

The main thing is, I need to check to make sure whatever the NHS cranks out matches the name on my passport, because if it doesn't, I'll have to contact the GP ? I guess? No idea -- I registered with a GP only because I had to for the vaccines. This is stressing me out way more than it should, I think.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on August 04, 2021, 10:20:18 AM
Different standards, I believe.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on August 04, 2021, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
We went with HASU Diagnostics as they had the best reviews £48 for Amber day 2 only test at home with £8 delivery. Think it's free to return it, but who knows as all these sites are pretty opaque with contradictory statements on different pages.

We also looked at:
Randox (Shit)
Nomad Travel (probably 2nd best and cheaper than above)
(something) 440... (Shit)
Breathe Assured (Shit, because it's actually Randox)
Expert-Medicals (Total AIDS, this is the 519 reviewed 86% AIDS)

Basically, you know when you see that Matt Hancock has given his mate 576 million quid?, Well, it's probably these jokers.

I ordered my test kit from "Brunswick Hygiene". I didn't think to check for reviews but I wish I had, because their reviews are terrible, with mentions of delayed results and non-existent customer service. Some people also complained that they don't analyse the tests themselves, instead they act as a kind of broker with the tests being sent to different labs around the UK, but this is actually very clear from their website if people would bother to read it. My experience so far is mixed, I didn't like being stung with an extra £20 for shipping and VAT at the last stage of the lengthy checkout process, but they did dispatch the kit really quickly, and it arrived at my mum's house the next morning. I'm not bothered if there are delays getting the results back, I would have cared under the old test-to-release scheme, but now that the quarantine requirement has been lifted I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on August 04, 2021, 12:07:26 PM
double post
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 04, 2021, 12:11:14 PM
Due to Ireland's rules relaxing - no test or quarantine for double jabbed people - I'm thinking of heading to Dublin in early September, hopefully that will be in a low point in infections before schools go back.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 05, 2021, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 04, 2021, 07:58:32 AM
We're away next Wednesday and back the following Wednesday, so I should be able to let you know if HASU Diagnostics are any good before you need to book anything.

Further update. We ordered the tests on Tuesday evening and they arrived today. I thought we were supposed to message them 2 days prior to returning to the UK, but clearly not. You have enter details of flights back to the UK when you order them, so it's not like they don't have the correct information.

Anyway, got them, so when we get back we'll do them and send them, then it's not our problem anymore.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on August 05, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
Listening to these cunts whinging about their holibobs possibly being inconvenienced does make me realise that despite how fucked we all generally are, our way of life is mostly cushy as fuck.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 05, 2021, 01:10:16 PM
Literally just done day two test after being in the nordics, I paid 99 quid for 2 and day 8 which isn't that bad. Kit arrived on time and has a tracking number in real time. Mines currently half way to its destination.

Have to quarantine now. 10 days off work..awful.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 05, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: thelittlemango on August 03, 2021, 11:06:17 PM
If you go on the NHS website and click to say you've been in contact with someone who has had symptoms you can get free PCR tests and results within a day of postage, is that not allowed somehow?

Some of the testing centres handing out lateral flows will chuck in a PCR while you're there; I saw no mention of it online but I turned up they just said 'the current recommendations are everyone who comes here should have one but you don't have to'. The official guff online made it seem like they were rationing them.

I guess it might vary by centre and location but it might be worth a punt.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Kankurette on August 05, 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 05, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
Listening to these cunts whinging about their holibobs possibly being inconvenienced does make me realise that despite how fucked we all generally are, our way of life is mostly cushy as fuck.
Tbh I'm not going on holiday outside the UK until I know it's safe and I don't have to quarantine. Even if it means missing Primavera 2022.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 05, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
Listening to these cunts whinging about their holibobs possibly being inconvenienced does make me realise that despite how fucked we all generally are, our way of life is mostly cushy as fuck.

I suppose the only thing worth conceding is that due to restrictions being eased, general activity is already at such a level where infection is rife, and spreading internationally regardless of restrictions, so you could equally go 'aw diddums' at people who want to go clubbing or go to a gig or a football match.

But it's a classic case of moving the goalposts because if Covid was to vanish overnight it would become 'well you shouldn't go abroad anyway cos environment'.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on August 06, 2021, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 12:37:29 PM
so you could equally go 'aw diddums' at people who want to go clubbing or go to a gig or a football match

Most definitely.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 12, 2021, 09:26:57 AM
Travelled yesterday and all fine. Only difference was the queue at passport control taking 3 times as long cos some people seemingly not bringing docs or knowing how to use the Internet. Flight full to brim with lots of arse holes nit wearing masks correctly, much to exasperation of cabin staff, including one who when told off put the mask over his eyes instead.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: buttgammon on August 12, 2021, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 12, 2021, 09:26:57 AM
Travelled yesterday and all fine. Only difference was the queue at passport control taking 3 times as long cos some people seemingly not bringing docs or knowing how to use the Internet. Flight full to brim with lots of arse holes nit wearing masks correctly, much to exasperation of cabin staff, including one who when told off put the mask over his eyes instead.

Glad you made it but wow, that is some level of stupidity.

I'm fully vaccinated and now considering going home for the first time since the end of 2019. I'm lucky to get a choice between flying or getting the ferry and it just feels much safer to travel by ferry the way things are. Perhaps it's my imagination, but despite it being a longer journey, I get the feeling I'd be less at the mercy of other people and their idiotic behaviour. It would also mean not having to travel through England, which has to be a good thing at the moment. At least Wales acknowledges that the virus still exists.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 12, 2021, 10:22:48 AM
My mate made the opposite journey (Poland to UK) the same day and said that he could have got through UK COVID checks with a picture of his dick as long as it was printed on A4 paper given the amount of attention shown to it.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 12, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: buttgammon on August 12, 2021, 09:42:06 AM
Glad you made it but wow, that is some level of stupidity.

I'm fully vaccinated and now considering going home for the first time since the end of 2019. I'm lucky to get a choice between flying or getting the ferry and it just feels much safer to travel by ferry the way things are. Perhaps it's my imagination, but despite it being a longer journey, I get the feeling I'd be less at the mercy of other people and their idiotic behaviour. It would also mean not having to travel through England, which has to be a good thing at the moment. At least Wales acknowledges that the virus still exists.

Ferry would be best. More space and can go outside. Safer than having a plane full of people trying to hotbox it with COVID 19.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 12, 2021, 10:28:28 AM
Went through Helsinki last week. A dream. Super on it, speedy, clean, efficient and to top it off had an embraer 190 practically to ourselves. Wonderful experience. Manchester airport on the other hand....
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on August 12, 2021, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 12, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
Ferry would be best. More space and can go outside. Safer than having a plane full of people trying to hotbox it with COVID 19.

Fingers crossed then, I'm on a ferry on Saturday...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 06:28:25 PM
Can't justify paying so much for tests so going to just go to Ireland over and over until another country (and the UK) drops that requirement).
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on August 12, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
Condor Ferries' COVID information provision fucking sucks. Nothing in the booking emails, when normally you can't avoid all the caveats and changes to procedures. But Condor? Noooo. Like the books of magic in Dr. Strange, they put the warnings at the end. I had to actively go looking to find the regs for entering the Channel Islands. And then fill in the same online form, with just shy of a dozen steps, for each member of the family. Started saying "Dormammu, I've come to bargain" each time I clicked Next, until MrsMoth told me to stop.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on August 14, 2021, 11:33:34 PM
A fairly efficient system, rolling off the ferry this evening. Get asked if we'd prefer-registered a test, we said yes, got sent to one queue. That then splits into three (those cars that hadn't registered online in advance get sent off in a different direction, didn't see what happens there). They then scanned our QR codes, gave us a hastily-hand-labelled test each, then we're gradually filtered back into one lane where testers took our tests off us, administered them, then off we went. They were even trained to administer tests to difficult people like our autistic younger daughter. Probably only 20mins, 30 max from tiling off the ferry to exiting the port.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on August 15, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
Returned to London from Amsterdam yesterday on the Eurostar. First time in 10 months. I'd forgotten how many homeless people we have here. The only paperwork I got checked was my passport (twice, by the Dutch and British border guards in the Dam). No one asked about my covid status. Saw some other people with new blue (black) Britisgh passports in the queue, which made me weirdly angry. Also forgot how bad the phone reception is in this country. I don't regret emigrating.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on August 17, 2021, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 12, 2021, 09:26:57 AM
Travelled yesterday and all fine. Only difference was the queue at passport control taking 3 times as long cos some people seemingly not bringing docs or knowing how to use the Internet. Flight full to brim with lots of arse holes nit wearing masks correctly, much to exasperation of cabin staff, including one who when told off put the mask over his eyes instead.

Fuck's sake. Where were you going to/from? I've a flight booked to Bucharest at the end of September and although Romania's a green list country and it should be relatively quiet then, I'm a bit worried about the airport malarkey at both ends.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 17, 2021, 10:46:11 AM
Poland. Leaving tomorrow so had our tests done yesterday. Received the negative results though they managed to get my name wrong, get my date of birth wrong and get my passport number wrong even though they were transcribing it from my passport.

I am dreading Luton airport tomorrow.

*Edited cos was in a rush and this tablet is shit.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: peanutbutter on August 17, 2021, 12:37:57 PM
Had to show a locator form heading to ireland before and after the flight, they only glanced at it both times, didn't look at the covid doc at all.
Didn't have to show anything at all going back to the UK.


Was meant to be visiting a friend in Ukraine next month but the PCR test shit is a massive put off. Families must be getting absolutely gouged by it  all atm.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 17, 2021, 12:41:24 PM
I'd say the extra testing and travel costs are running about £500 per person. It's a bit of a cash grab, but I understand.

My parents are flying back today, got their tests back inside 24hrs here so hopefully should be fine.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on August 17, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
I'm assuming that the best bet for "test to return" is to buy video-chat-certifiable LFDs in the UK ahead of time, because then you're not so much at the mercy of anyone else's turnaround times or arguing the toss with a Border Force Special about what the foreign terms for specificity and sensitivity are.

Anyone able to disabuse me of this?

(For impending death-related reasons, althought not my own death, I must travel to Germany and back in September.)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on August 18, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
I'm assuming that they can't so going with the "ordering an LFD from some British bastards and spending £20 to confirm to them by video chat that I'm not lying".

Enjoying various countries half-arsed translation efforts: Germany telling me that I've visited "a(n) high-risk" and France inviting me to complete a "statement of honour".
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 18, 2021, 09:36:11 PM
OK, got back from Poland today. Can't quite work out exactly how all of this shit is being monitored.

On leaving the UK, we had to do fuck all at the airport, but had all of our docs checked at the Polish end on arrival.

Coming back, we had all of our docs checked in Poland, but the UK was just your basic "stand in the passport machine" stuff. Not a single COVID related document checked. Are we basically just relying on other countries to do the work? Poland has always been a bit weird in this regard though. Even before Brexit it was the only country I have ever visited where you have to queue and go through passport control when you're leaving the country as well as entering.

Anyway, the machine didn't work for me, I'm pretty sure because I was simultaneously trying to look after two bags, take off and hold my mask, take off and hold my glasses, put the passport in the right way round without my specs on and, most importantly, clutch onto my totally redundant print offs of proof of vaccine, proof of test 2 days prior to departure, locator forms and proof of having a test booked at home. It did allow me to view the new border control checks on Johnny (sorry, "Janusz") foreigner following Brexit. It amounted to one bored looking guy scanning the ID and asking them "what's the reason for your visit?" before waving them through.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on August 27, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
After the impressive show the States of Jersey put on, testing arrivals as we came off the boat, was interested to see what the U.K. return would be like.

Absolutely. Nothing. No testing. No checks at all. The boat had originated in France for fuck's sake. At least it was significantly emptier this time, whereas our outbound sailing was packed.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 27, 2021, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: mothman on August 27, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
After the impressive show the States of Jersey put on, testing arrivals as we came off the boat, was interested to see what the U.K. return would be like.

Absolutely. Nothing. No testing. No checks at all. The boat had originated in France for fuck's sake. At least it was significantly emptier this time, whereas our outbound sailing was packed.

My parents said the same. Nobody checked any of their documents - people were separated into green/amber/red arrival lines, then all three lines merged into the same line to walk past a bored looking security guard who just nods at people and that was it. Great stuff.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on August 27, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on August 17, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
I'm assuming that the best bet for "test to return" is to buy video-chat-certifiable LFDs in the UK ahead of time, because then you're not so much at the mercy of anyone else's turnaround times or arguing the toss with a Border Force Special about what the foreign terms for specificity and sensitivity are.

Anyone able to disabuse me of this?

(For impending death-related reasons, althought not my own death, I must travel to Germany and back in September.)

You could most likely get an antigen 'Schnelltest' done in Germany for not much money. I've heard some Brits were able to get them for free, since the government foots the bill for each German resident tested, and some test centres don't seem to care who is/isn't a German resident. Antigen test certificates are acceptable for returning to the UK, as long as the result is also in English. Most cities will have Schnelltest centres available in various locations, some require online appointments, some are walk-ins. I actually got my test done at Dresden airport before flying back to the UK a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on August 27, 2021, 09:27:22 PM
^some airlines will reimburse you for the cost of a test as well if you keep a look out
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 04, 2021, 08:44:26 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/uk-inbound-tourism-industry-brexit-b1913693.html
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 06, 2021, 07:48:23 AM
Any info about how to get the antigen test in Spain would be super appreciated!

I'm off there from Tuesday (the 7th), and I have a tidy bundle of QR codes and that: my covid passport, my paperwork to get into Spain, the details about my Day 2 PCR once I get back to the UK. But am clueless about how to get the 'at least 2 days before you return' test -- I've been all over Google, and it's just bringing up the Day 2/8 booking info back here in the UK. I'm probably stressing out more than I need to be, as the EU countries seem to be a lot more organised and civilised about the process. Even the UK gov't site is confusing as f*&^ in this regard (which doesn't surprise me).

I'm not going specifically to Alicente, but that's the airport I'm using, and that's the general area I'll be staying in, for about a week.

Now to contact AMEX to find out why they have blocked my card (and to ask them why their 24/7 telephone number actually only works M-F, 8-6pm...)

Thanks for any info about the tests <3
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on September 06, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Yeah it's a nightmare this stuff.  Unless the rules change you just need an antigen test which is one of the easiest, you get the results in about 15 mins and it costs around €30.  Looks like you can get it done at the airport but if I were you I'd phone them and see if you need to book an appointment or something, or find out what the wait times are likely to be.  Also search around for discount codes, the airline you're using probably gives one, but if not check the others.  When we got my daughter's done in June we just used the Easyjet codes even though she didn't fly with them.

https://eurofins-megalab.com/en/eurofins-megalab-is-carrying-out-testing-for-covid-in-12-spanish-airports/
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on September 06, 2021, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: nugget on August 27, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
You could most likely get an antigen 'Schnelltest' done in Germany for not much money. I've heard some Brits were able to get them for free, since the government foots the bill for each German resident tested, and some test centres don't seem to care who is/isn't a German resident. Antigen test certificates are acceptable for returning to the UK, as long as the result is also in English. Most cities will have Schnelltest centres available in various locations, some require online appointments, some are walk-ins. I actually got my test done at Dresden airport before flying back to the UK a couple of weeks ago.
I've no idea how I missed this, but thank you nugget - at an absolute minimum, your response will be a source of calm if something goes wrong with our plan A (in a trip that is likely to otherwise be extremely stressful at times).
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on September 06, 2021, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: Attila on September 06, 2021, 07:48:23 AM
Any info about how to get the antigen test in Spain would be super appreciated!

One option is always to buy a test before you leave the UK (e.g. from Chronomics) - they deliver this to your UK address, you take it with you, do it a day or two before flying, and verify it over video chat to get a certificate.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 06, 2021, 09:09:06 AM
Quote from: Zetetic on September 06, 2021, 08:39:28 AM
One option is always to buy a test before you leave the UK (e.g. from Chronomics) - they deliver this to your UK address, you take it with you, do it a day or two before flying, and verify it over video chat to get a certificate.

It wouldn't get here in time -- I've got to fly out tomorrow, unfortunately. That would have been a fab option, but where I'm going won't have reliable wifi (it's fieldwork rather than being holed up in a cosy hotel).
Quote

Quote from: katzenjammer on September 06, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Yeah it's a nightmare this stuff.  Unless the rules change you just need an antigen test which is one of the easiest, you get the results in about 15 mins and it costs around €30.  Looks like you can get it done at the airport but if I were you I'd phone them and see if you need to book an appointment or something, or find out what the wait times are likely to be.  Also search around for discount codes, the airline you're using probably gives one, but if not check the others.  When we got my daughter's done in June we just used the Easyjet codes even though she didn't fly with them.

https://eurofins-megalab.com/en/eurofins-megalab-is-carrying-out-testing-for-covid-in-12-spanish-airports/


I'm flying on BA -- they're usless at the moment, as their intel is only that I need to make arrangements to get a test done before I leave Spain -- they also require that I fill out forms and upload docs to prove that I've had the vaccination, &c.

Is the antigen test the lateral flow test? We have a ton of those at home already (through Mr Attila's work doling them out). I'd be happy as a clam to do that -- apologies for so many questions, but then how do you demonstrate that you took it, and you're in the clear? Waving a negative testing swab around doesn't seem to be the answer....

Is this the one that gets uploaded to the NHS covid app, or to the NHS app (I have only the latter on my tablet).

Apologies so many questions -- I've not been this stressed out since I applied for the various visa/citizenship applications, where one wrongly transposed letter or a name not exactly the same on two documents would cost you the application (and extortionate fee).

I found a couple of hospitals near Alicente airport that offer RAT PCR tests -- for €100+, of course.

I'm stressing to the point of calling the whole trip off, to be honest :(


Gah, this is some terrible coding! I can't get the quotes and my replies separated.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on September 06, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Understood re timescales - apologies for the red herring.

Some "antigen" tests will be "lateral flow devices" (LFDs/LFTs). Unfortunately you cannot use the NHS LFTs for the reason you hit upon - they won't provide you with an appropriate certificate.

(Based on nugget's response to my question about - although about Germany - I'm guessing that getting appropriately tested somewhere in Spain won't prove impossible, although it'll be a lot easier to get an answer from someone actually there.)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 06, 2021, 10:56:23 AM
No worries -- all the advice here has been much appreciated!

I've talked to the friends I'm staying with, and they're fine with ferrying me to one of the hospitals locally that's offering appts for RAT tests -- it's an extortionate cost, but needs must.

I shouldn't be stressing out about this so much, but I've not been this frazzled since all of the paperwork to move over here -- it's bringing back a lot of feelings/stresses from that time! (It also doesn't help that it's the week before the week before our classes begin, and colleagues have been bombarding me all morning with emails and requests for meetings/solving issues this week.)

Anyway, off to book my test in Spain -- I got the intel from a site for Dutch tourists, of all things! (and the links check out, having double checked, of course). And, huzzah, the difference in fees between EU nationals and everyone else is sadly quite high.

ETA -- huzzah! Booked in for my test, and it's at a proper hospital, and for only £35. Results in an hour for a PCR test, and a really easy to navigate website - when I started to fill in my details, the site detected 'daft tourist mode' and walked me right through the process. Loads of times available, too. It's the big chain of IMed hospitals in Spain, if anyone's going out there -- the docs even include a photo map of where to park, where the covid testing spot is, etc, with big red arrows.

The main stress-factor here was simply finding the info I needed -- the UK sites, including BA and the gov't websites, only say, 'You need to book a test in Spain' without any info on where/how/what. As mentioned above, I got the info from a well-organised site for Dutch tourists in Spain, with testing centres that are close to all of the major airports in the country, when they're open, the websites to make bookings, &c.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 06, 2021, 12:00:48 PM
Have you googled el jabbo de espana?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 06, 2021, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on September 06, 2021, 12:00:48 PM
Have you googled el jabbo de espana?

Now, see, this is the straight-to-the-point advice I could use :D


(As an aside, when I was filling out address details, one of the drop down boxes was, 'What type of street is your residence on?' with like 20 different choices. Not the name of the street, that was a different box. The choices here were about the actual type of street -- residential, dirt road, public highway, &c.)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on September 06, 2021, 12:44:36 PM
Anybody baffled by all the various rules when travelling, I can't recommend this website enough. Much clearer than any official government shite. Made my recent trip back to the UK much easier to sort out:
http://Www.covid19-testing.org
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 06, 2021, 02:22:55 PM
That is an excellent site -- I've bookmarked it for future ref.

You're not kidding that the gov't site is confusing shite; it presents contradicting info within a single sentence. It's one reason I shelled out for a lawyer when doing visa stuff; the gov't site just led around and around in circles, which was nerve-wracking when trying to sort out documents that you didn't dare mess up.

My next 'challenge' is what to do after I arrive at Alicente, for 7 hours -- BA cancelled my afternoon flight and put me on an early morning one, which means my colleague won't be arriving until much later in the evening. I can't get to her place on my own (and she has the keys, anyway). Inside the terminal (I've never been in this airport) sounds great - lounges, decent seating, &c -- but through arrivals they just figure you'll be on your way. Whee. My first day finally travelling after 18 months, and I get to channel my inner Tom Hanks (and even his character got to live IN the terminal).
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on September 06, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: Attila on September 06, 2021, 12:06:28 PM
Now, see, this is the straight-to-the-point advice I could use :D


(As an aside, when I was filling out address details, one of the drop down boxes was, 'What type of street is your residence on?' with like 20 different choices. Not the name of the street, that was a different box. The choices here were about the actual type of street -- residential, dirt road, public highway, &c.)

When requesting my postal ballot for delivery, I had the option of inputting my street address or (if I lived in one of three rural provinces) inputting my map coordinates. Presumably they fire your ballot at your house via space laser or something.

Great news onnthe booking the test though - that seems to be a complete pain for everyone. It was a nightmare here too
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 06, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
I know it sounds daft, but it was a huge relief to find a site and make the booking at last.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on September 06, 2021, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: Attila on September 06, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
I know it sounds daft, but it was a huge relief to find a site and make the booking at last.

Not daft at all! My parents went slightly mad until I booked it for them.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on September 07, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: Zetetic on September 06, 2021, 08:37:33 AM
I've no idea how I missed this, but thank you nugget - at an absolute minimum, your response will be a source of calm if something goes wrong with our plan A (in a trip that is likely to otherwise be extremely stressful at times).

I'm glad if my response is helpful in any way. The pre-departure test was probably the most difficult part of my trip to the UK, even as a German resident, so I understand why this may be stressing people out. The 'difficulty', for me, was entirely down to the UK government's stipulation that the test results have to be presented in English (French and Spanish are acceptable, but not German), which is the main reason I got the test at the airport rather than somewhere more local, where I couldn't be certain that the test result would be available in English. I actually booked the test 3 weeks in advance, although this was completely unnecessary, and it seemed like I was the only one who had bothered to do this. The only real advantage of booking ahead (other than peace of mind) is that it saved a few minutes at the check-in desk, since the girl could just scan my QR code instead of having to type in all my information herself. I received the test result by email about 30 minutes after arriving at the airport. Honestly, if I was to travel to the UK again any time soon, I'd just book an antigen test at the airport a couple of hours ahead of my departure time.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 07, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
Trip report so far (I'm stuck at Alicante for the next 6 hours waiting for my friends as they're flying in from Greece and have only tiny wings): for all of the stress of getting the paperwork sorted, it made things really really easy (as nugget notes above).

I got to Heathrow stupid early before my flight, because of all the stuff in the papers about huge queues and delays, and make sure with all the new checks you're in time. I thought, Yep, when I saw the huge check in queue, but when I got to the first checkpoint lady, she was asking everyone ahead of me if they were checked in. Nope -- because without the covid vaccine doc and whatever health docs your destination need loaded up as part of your BA check in, you can't get a boarding pass to print out at home. So they had to go join that big queue and sort it at the counter. I would have disintegrated in a ball of stressed out molecules had I had to do all there here at the airport.

Instead, I got waved over to the baggage drop, then took about 5 mins to get through security.

Once in Spain, off plane (they are making people wait and leave the plane in called rows, and BA at least will tell you to arse-grab some seat if you leap up before your row is called. No, not me, but some red faced older dude -- I'm old, but I was the youngest one on the flight by about 270 years, I think).

Through a set of e-gates, which for once recognised me with my glasses on. Passport check -- two bored guards who barely stopped their convo to stamp my passport (fuck Brexit) and throw said passport back at me. Then another check-point person asking if I had my health certificate. Yes? Cool -- over to this table, get the QR code scanned, and then off you fuck to baggage claim -- past another enormous queue of people having to do their health docs onsite.

So far it's been all right -- stressing out is no fun, but in the end it's been so, so worth it to have my little wallet of papers and QR codes.

Fingers crossed that the reverse is equally all right -- quite happy to have my appt for the PCR test, and sussed out where they have the testing centres in the airport, too, so that could have been an option.

Not gonna lie, almost felt a bit teary crossing into T5 for the first time in almost two years, sniffoo.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on September 07, 2021, 02:27:03 PM
Quote from: Attila on September 07, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
I got to Heathrow stupid early before my flight, because of all the stuff in the papers about huge queues and delays, and make sure with all the new checks you're in time. I thought, Yep, when I saw the huge check in queue, but when I got to the first checkpoint lady, she was asking everyone ahead of me if they were checked in. Nope -- because without the covid vaccine doc and whatever health docs your destination need loaded up as part of your BA check in, you can't get a boarding pass to print out at home. So they had to go join that big queue and sort it at the counter. I would have disintegrated in a ball of stressed out molecules had I had to do all there here at the airport.

I flew with Lufthansa from Heathrow and it was a bit different, but also relatively painless. I checked in online the day before and got my boarding pass, but I had luggage to drop off, so I had to go to the check-in desk anyway. There was no queue, and the check-in guy asked to see my vaccine certificate and German passenger locator form. He gave me a new, printed boarding pass, and obviously made a note in their system that my documents were in order. At the boarding gate, the crew read out a massive list of names about 20 mins before boarding, asking them to come to the gate with their documents for inspection. I'm assuming these were all people who had checked in online and didn't drop off luggage at the check in desk, suckers. Arriving in Germany, there were just the usual passport checks at the airport.

Flying into Heathrow was much less organised, surprisingly. All the checking was done at the gate, and the airline/airport staff made a right mess out of it, resulting in a massive argument with a group of (understandably) very pissed off and confused passengers, which ultimately required police intervention and delayed the departure by about 45 mins.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 07, 2021, 02:42:29 PM
Flying out of here -- I will be really stupid early, as my friends' flight is two hours before mine, so obviously, if they're bringing me to the airport, I'll be along, too.

I feel a little better about being stuck here (currently deep into Hour Two of Alicante Roosting) because my friends are stuck in Barcelona for almost as long, waiting for their connecting flight down here. I'm also clearly not the only one stuck here -- there's a young woman sat near me who was here when I rocked up, and clearly well bunkered down, and now sat wit a 1000 yard stare on her face.

There is someone nearby who's just started up some construction work with a drill that might send me over the swings a la Herbert Lom/Inspector Dreyfuss in a bit, but we'll see...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 13, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Field report -- starting the process now to get my paperwork sorted for the UK return...what a shambles.

I started my home locator form for the UK last week as much as a could to generate a link -- supposedly I could click and continue once I had my PCR test and all that guff sorted. Nope. Click on the link, 'Page not found.'

Tried to sign in using the details. Unconfirmed user.

Tried to create a new account with a different email. Didn't like my phone number. Attempted to restart that application. Sorry, there is already an account registered with that email.

Went to a 3rd email address to start the process again. We'll sent you a text on the number you've provided to confirm your identity. Text never came, even after 2 or 3 requests to resend. So that's three emails I can no longer use for the application because theyre already registered. Even though they refuse to accept my log in details because I'm 'unconfirmed.'

Created a 4th email address and got all the way down to 'when will your flight get into the UK?' and was told, nope, you're two hours early to complete this form, so you have to come back and do the form within 48 hours of arrival. Click here to generate a link so you can get back to the form.

Well, yeah, that's what I thought I could do originally, only to be told page not found.

So I have generated a fifth email address on gmail now, so that when I'm within my 48 hours (I'm erring on the side of caution), I can get the paperwork that, for Spain, took me 10 minutes to sort. The UK one will want me to upload proof that I've had a neg pCR result (yep) and that I've sorted my Day 2 PCR test (yep) -- so I HAVE all of the supporting docs 'n' that, but fuck me, what a pain in the arse.

Did a belt and braces PCR test this morning, and the nurse had a good laugh when she checked my passport -- have a birthday, get a PCR test!

The gov't forms all say, 'Oh, you can have all of your docs with the QR codes on your phone or you can bring printouts.' I have a tablet, but not a smartphone, but I'm printing everything out -- I don't dare risk not being able to find stuff when I'm in the airport or whatever.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on September 13, 2021, 12:25:48 PM
I waited until it was within the 48-hour window before doing mine, and it worked fine. Also never had to upload proof of anything, just had to type in an order reference number for the day-2 test, for which I'm pretty sure I could have just typed in any string of random numbers.

Definitely a good idea to print everything out, it'll make it easier for people to check (nobody actually used the QR codes and checked everything manually), and it doesn't matter if your phone/tablet craps out.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on September 13, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
Another shout for printing everything out. One thing fewer that can go wrong (not that anything will go wrong, just a source of potential stress removed).

You can't be denied entry to the UK (it's one of the rights of citizenship) so worst, worst case scenario is a 500 quid fine that isn't exactly great news but it's not like you'll be left to wander international airports forever like Tom Hanks if you don't give them the paper in the right order.

Anecdotally, they check absolutely nothing and wave you in[nb]which I can believe - the last time I went through Heathrow nobody stamped our (Canadian) passports so technically I don't think we ever entered the country. I asked the guy to stamp my son's (first trip to the motherland and all that) and he said "oh no I don't have a stamp, I usually do the bags but they called me up to handle overflow. This was midweek in an industry that knows exactly how many passengers it will have to deal with day to day. The idea of them having the manpower of resources to even slightly enforce this is laughable.[/nb]
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 13, 2021, 12:56:49 PM
Ah, cool, nugget & FWB -- yeah, i'm now inside the 48 hours window, and I've got a fresh gmail (and my covid Day 2 code), so fingers crossed I can faff off to a quiet corner and sort that.

We have a printer here at the house where I'm staying, although of course it's being an arse-pain at the moment (apparently it hasn't been used in a while, so it keeps insisting there is no battery in it when there is) -- but yep, I'm all about the printouts. I've got a dedicated plastic file folder with all the get-into-Spain, so will add the get-out-of-Spain docs.

Meanwhile, the people I'm staying with (who have been haw hawing all my stressing and paperwork) have now realised that they need to have the pre-travel covid tests, and are running around trying to get them booked this afternoon in between other stuff they have to do, all in a state of panic.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 13, 2021, 02:10:58 PM
Gah, what a palaver. Got my passenger locator sorted -- with luck we can get this printer to work, but I have both pDFs available here on my laptop.

The form wanted me to upload my covid vaccine paperwork, and first time, said the official pdf was 'too small.' So I took a photo of it -- nope, can't read it. Just bring it along for scanning. aaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhhhh.

Then my bro wants me to come out to the USA around January -- I'm like, let me get this adventure sorted before I even think about the next one...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on September 14, 2021, 12:47:58 PM
Flying to the UK with my 13 year old son on Friday to see the 'rents for the first time in two years. I'm really, really tempted to just shove some random letters in the covid test box of the passenger locator form. We are arriving late on Friday night and returning less than 48 hours later so don't see what the point is in forking out £100[nb]cheapest I can see for two pcr tests[/nb] for the day 2 tests. We'll be back in Spain long before we get the results
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fr.Bigley on September 14, 2021, 12:58:36 PM
It's a piece of piss boys, I did it in July/August when the tests were enforced fully and everything went smoothly, they're also dripping isolation for double jabbed soon too and a free lateral flow on return. All is returning to normal slowly. 
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 16, 2021, 07:03:59 AM
& the finale for closure -- BA wouldn't allow me to check in online; turns out, no one on my flight was allowed to check in online, and were told we had to do so at the airport. This led to enormous queues of people who had to check in on the one hand, and people who did not have the required paperwork on the other (or who did have the docs, but on their phones/tablets, and ended up with the BA folks not accepting them on the phones/tablets, or the people trying to shuffle through their files to find whatever doc the BA check in person wanted.) Deffo if you can, print everything out.

I was super lucky to be staying with someone who had a home office, so I had everything printed out; the check in person had a shuffle through them, but the key thing she wanted was the passenger locator form. Some of the other people in the queue also said that they'd had a right faff getting that form sorted, burning through several emails addresses because once you start the form on one email address, you have to see it through completion. Otherwise, you can't return to the form, and you can't log back in on that email, because you'll get an error message either saying 'page not found' or that that email is already registered to 'an unconfirmed user.' Add in the site constantly crashing, and you end up with a bit of a mess.

Fortunately, my stuff passed muster, so a quick check and done. Everyone keeps saying, 'Oh, they don't even look at your paperwork in the UK' -- that's because it's expected that it's done at the foreign end before you get on the flight. So thinking that you don't have to do it because they don't look at the paperwork at Heathrow is misleading -- as the couple ahead of me in the queue found out. They hadn't bothered to do the passenger locator form because they'd heard that no one checks them in the UK; the BA check in person told them they weren't getting on the plane without it. Christ knows how they sorted it -- it's 5 pages long, and as above, it's not the easier or quickest thing to fill out.

Anyway, back in England now, got to do the Day 2 PCR thing tomorrow, and then on to the fresh new hell of a new semester at a university that has dropped all social distancing, masks, and hygiene practices because the gov't has said it's ok, covid doesn't exist any more now. So all live lectures, seminars, and tutorials; no working/teaching from home permitted. Huzzah!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Theremin on September 16, 2021, 09:07:49 AM
Is there a simple explanation anywhere of what actually has to done to visit the UK at this point?

I was hoping to pop over from NL, but the constantly changing regulations have me pretty baffled.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on September 16, 2021, 10:16:25 AM
It depends slightly on which country of the UK you're travelling to from outside the UK, but here is a reasonable starting point if you're travelling to the worst one (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-abroad-from-england-during-coronavirus-covid-19?step-by-step-nav=8c0c7b83-5e0b-4bed-9121-1c394e2f96f3#what-you-need-to-do-to-return-to-england).

Before you fly, you need:
- A pre-flight negative test from the 72 hours prior to departure that meets certain standards.
- To complete a passenger locator form]complete a passenger locator form (https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk) in the 48 hours prior to departure.

After you arrive, you will need:
- A test on day 2 from a private supplier, at your own cost. Which suppliers are acceptable depends on the country in the UK that you're travelling to

You may also then need, if you're travelling from an "Amber list" country (which I believe the Netherlands currently is):
- A test on day 8, with the same conditions as the day 2 test.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on September 16, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Theremin on September 16, 2021, 09:07:49 AM
Is there a simple explanation anywhere of what actually has to done to visit the UK at this point?

I was hoping to pop over from NL, but the constantly changing regulations have me pretty baffled.

I popped back to the UK from NL a couple of weeks ago and had no problems getting there or back (I went on the Eurostar). I did the following:

- A week before travel I ordered a Day 2 PCR test to be delivered to my mate's house in London, it arrived there within a couple of days. Cost £50. Use this site to find one, it is really easy to use and not trying to rip you off: https://www.covid19-testing.org/travel-testing

- Got a free antigen test done at one of the local clinics we have in Amsterdam less than 24 hours before setting off. Got the results emailed to me within an hour. They were in English.

- Filled in the UK passenger locator form the morning before I set off. Didn't have to upload anything like Attila. Just had to put in the code number of the day 2 PCR test I had on order.

- Sailed through both Amsterdam and St Pancras rail stations with nobody checking anything except my passport.

- Did the day 2 PCR test at my mate's house, got drunk and forgot to post it until a day late.

- Received a negative result by email a couple of days later. No one mentioned that it was late.

- Had fun in the UK for a couple of weeks

- Day before returning to Amsterdam discovered that NL require a negative antigen test. Quickly booked myself into a dodgy clinic in Dalston and got that done. £60 and results emailed within the hour.

- Eurostar back to Amsterdam. Once again, nobody checked any paperwork except my passport at either end. I even offered to show my EU vaccination app thing and NL residency card and the border guard said "don't worry, I trust you".
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Theremin on September 16, 2021, 11:16:59 AM
Thanks all!

Genuinely tempted by the Eurostar now.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on September 16, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
Quote from: Fr.Bigley on September 14, 2021, 12:58:36 PM
piss boys
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on September 17, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
Enjoying how much German bureaucracy makes me realise how much worse British bureaucracy could be.

Just had an email from a local government office that makes two completely contradictory claims in the body of the email and a PDF attachment, neither of which are relevant to anyone that exists.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on September 17, 2021, 10:31:51 AM
PCR tests could be on the way out thankfully

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58591550 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58591550)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on September 17, 2021, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: katzenjammer on September 17, 2021, 10:31:51 AM
PCR tests could be on the way out thankfully

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58591550 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58591550)

Seems to be so. :)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/17/amber-list-covid-travel-rules-england-traffic-light-system
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
If I manage to get through this entire pandemic without sticking a swab into my skull I'll be one happy cunt.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on September 17, 2021, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
If I manage to get through this entire pandemic without sticking a swab into my skull I'll be one happy cunt.

People here go for tests for fun. Get on our level.

Even the nipper has had two.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Better Midlands on September 21, 2021, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: beanheadmcginty on September 16, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
I popped back to the UK from NL a couple of weeks ago and had no problems getting there or back (I went on the Eurostar). I did the following:

- A week before travel I ordered a Day 2 PCR test to be delivered to my mate's house in London, it arrived there within a couple of days. Cost £50. Use this site to find one, it is really easy to use and not trying to rip you off: https://www.covid19-testing.org/travel-testing

- Got a free antigen test done at one of the local clinics we have in Amsterdam less than 24 hours before setting off. Got the results emailed to me within an hour. They were in English.

- Filled in the UK passenger locator form the morning before I set off. Didn't have to upload anything like Attila. Just had to put in the code number of the day 2 PCR test I had on order.

- Sailed through both Amsterdam and St Pancras rail stations with nobody checking anything except my passport.

- Did the day 2 PCR test at my mate's house, got drunk and forgot to post it until a day late.

- Received a negative result by email a couple of days later. No one mentioned that it was late.

- Had fun in the UK for a couple of weeks

- Day before returning to Amsterdam discovered that NL require a negative antigen test. Quickly booked myself into a dodgy clinic in Dalston and got that done. £60 and results emailed within the hour.

- Eurostar back to Amsterdam. Once again, nobody checked any paperwork except my passport at either end. I even offered to show my EU vaccination app thing and NL residency card and the border guard said "don't worry, I trust you".

@beanheadmcginty or @theremin do either of you know what would be required covid wise for someone flying ams - gatwick on Friday night returning on sunday night?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 22, 2021, 07:21:38 AM
When are the PCR test requirements being scrapped? Online fraudster Grant Shapps unhelpfully tweeted 'later in October', which is fucking unhelpful, the news reported that then it went quiet.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on September 22, 2021, 07:50:40 AM
4th October. The day after my trip to the UK
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on September 22, 2021, 08:46:02 AM
Apparently someone on my flight back from Spain had covid, as the NHS/passenger locator people contacted me to tell me I'd been in proximity of someone who'd tested positive and to isolate immediately.

Filled in my forms, had another PCR test (neg), so I don't need to isolate -- but my phone has completely blown up with texts and calls from contract tracers. I've had to switch it off -- I've had maybe 20 calls in the past 24 hours, throughout the day and a couple in the middle of the night. I did speak to one of them, telling them that I'd done the NHS forms online, I don't have to isolate, please stop calling and texting me.

Good times.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on September 22, 2021, 11:24:18 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 22, 2021, 07:21:38 AM
When are the PCR test requirements being scrapped? Online fraudster Grant Shapps unhelpfully tweeted 'later in October', which is fucking unhelpful, the news reported that then it went quiet.

From that Guardian news item I linked above:

QuoteFrom 4 October, fully vaccinated travellers will no longer need to take a test before departing for England.

From the end of October, while people will still need to take a test within two days of returning, this can be a cheaper lateral flow test rather than a PCR.

Also remember that this is all for fully-vaxed people and green-list counties. If anyone reading this thinks that doesn't apply to them, go and get yourself properly vaxxed and forget about going to red-list countries for now.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on September 22, 2021, 11:55:08 AM
Oh thanks, and sorry for misleading people earlier. I'm betting I'm not the only one that got that wrong. Still trying to wring those last few quid out of the PCR racket
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on September 22, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: katzenjammer on September 22, 2021, 11:55:08 AM
Oh thanks, and sorry for misleading people earlier. I'm betting I'm not the only one that got that wrong. Still trying to wring those last few quid out of the PCR racket

Oh, it's totally confusing. All of it, never mind keeping abreast of the changes. The government web pages about this are abject piss.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on September 22, 2021, 12:34:29 PM
Has anyone here applied for a Pass Sanitaire yet? It's essentially France's covid passport and tourists from beyond the EU need to have it. I'd like to hear about the process of getting one, and other people following this thread might find it useful too.

Without a Pass Sanitaire, it seems you won't be allowed into public buildings or even into shops and restaurants, so you'd probably have very shit time without one.

It's good that all of this stuff is communicated loudly in media and/or at the point of paying for passage to France, isn't it? Jeez.

(I bet other EU countries have their equivalent too).

The UK's government's advice about it appears in the last paragraph of the "Travel in France" section of the Foreign Travel to France page (https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/coronavirus) and in bewilderingly complex and contradictory detail in the "Public Spaces and Services" section beneath that paragraph. At several points it says we can consult the French government for more information (i.e. any information really) but of course that is all in French, which Google Translate doesn't do a particularly sophisticated job of translating. No idea why gov.uk can't provide coherent information about this simple and very important thing.

Anyway, yeah, any shareable experiences concerning this would be gratefully received.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on September 22, 2021, 02:42:15 PM
To be fair, I've found the instructions on the gov.uk website to be pretty clear if you can find the right page. All the info is there:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england)

Regarding Pass Sanitaire, it seems you can download their app and upload your NHS vaccination proof:

https://uk.ambafrance.org/Health-pass-and-vaccination-in-the-UK (https://uk.ambafrance.org/Health-pass-and-vaccination-in-the-UK)

(https://uk.ambafrance.org/local/cache-vignettes/L945xH669/5dba10c38d6d0aa2-5fc63.png?1629463531)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on September 22, 2021, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: nugget on September 22, 2021, 02:42:15 PM
Regarding Pass Sanitaire, it seems you can download their app and upload your NHS vaccination proof:

https://uk.ambafrance.org/Health-pass-and-vaccination-in-the-UK (https://uk.ambafrance.org/Health-pass-and-vaccination-in-the-UK)

That is very helpful, nugget. Thank you.

I've downloaded the app and used it to scan my NHS Scotland QR codes. It worked! And I was presented with a new QR code for presenting to venues in France.

The app in the both Apple app store and Goodle Play is called TousAntiCovid and the icon on my phone reads as AntiCovid. All of the text inside the app is English by default (presumably it can detect the language of my phone). After getting it "activated" (it needs access to your bluetooth and for you to allow push notifications), I was able to scan my NHS QR codes. It then gave me a new QR code on a brightly-lit screen to be presented to venue staff. It even has a little note about what to tell them if it doesn't scan the first time(they have to reset their scanner). Obviously, I'll be happier when I've used it at the door of a real place but this all feels positive.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on November 01, 2021, 03:35:41 PM
Just wanted to report that I visited Paris for a few days and it all worked fairly well.

We were asked for our NHS vaccine pass at the outgoing airport. The app failed briefly but came back to life after a refresh. I also knew I had the paper version to fall back on if needed (which it wasn't).

The FFP2 mask I think we were told in advance to wear on the plane was not expected. Few other passengers had brought one. France, however, insists on blue surgical masks (no cloth masks)[nb]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/france-bans-homemade-covid-masks-public[/nb], which we only learned at the airport but thankfully they were available from the airline team at the gate.

The sworn statement we had to sign, declaring we had no covid symptoms, was asked about at the outgoing airport but not taken from us or looked at closely. It was neither asked for nor taken at Paris airport.

The various post-Brexit bits and bobs like proof of savings, proof of travel insurance, address of hotel, return ticket were not asked for at either airport.

In Paris itself, the domestic AntiCovid app was asked for in most places we visited. A member of staff or a special greeter would scan it with ease and we all got on with our lives. Great stuff.

So yeah, it all worked well. The people of Paris seem sensible with mask use and distancing. The Metro was busier than one would like and I saw a few nose-breathers but nothing compared to England.[nb]I live in Glasgow where I'd say people are about 70-80% sensible but I visited my family in the Midlands recently and it's like they've all completely forgotten about covid and I felt embarrassed/non-conformist to wear my mask in a busy marketplace[/nb] Most Parisians I saw even wear their surgical masks outdoors.

The Day 2 covid test on return was a piece of piss but annoyingly expensive at £68 where England (I believe) can use cheapsies.

Happy to answer experience-based questions concerning covid- and documentation-based nervousness should anyone ask.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Janie Jones on November 01, 2021, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on November 01, 2021, 03:35:41 PM


The Day 2 covid test on return was a piece of piss but annoyingly expensive at £68...

I went to Spain for the first half of October, no problems outgoing because we're double jabbed. But we had to pay 44€ each for the 'Day 2' test before we could get home to Ldn and at Jerez airport we had to show proof that we had ordered them. The (fiendishly complicated) tests were waiting on the doormat when we got home. Over 2 weeks later we still haven't done them or sent them off. We haven't been chased up. If anyone can advise whether I'd better still do the fucking thing or just forget all about it now they've got their fucking money, I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on November 01, 2021, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: Janie Jones on November 01, 2021, 04:03:09 PM
I went to Spain for the first half of October, no problems outgoing because we're double jabbed. But we had to pay 44€ each for the 'Day 2' test before we could get home to Ldn and at Jerez airport we had to show proof that we had ordered them.

We had to order ours in advance and put the confirmation number on the passenger locator form before the return flight. That was a step I forgot to mention in my post above. Order the test in advance (from home), folks, and save the code for when you complete that form (from abroad) a day before your return flight.

Quote from: Janie Jones on November 01, 2021, 04:03:09 PM
The (fiendishly complicated) tests were waiting on the doormat when we got home. Over 2 weeks later we still haven't done them or sent them off. We haven't been chased up. If anyone can advise whether I'd better still do the fucking thing or just forget all about it now they've got their fucking money, I'd appreciate it.

Good question. I've been wondering that myself. I think they can impose a whopping great fine on people who don't do it. So, you know, do it, especially if you've already paid and received the test. But I do wonder how they enforce that. Idle threat probably.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Janie Jones on November 01, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
Thanks. I'll do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Inspector Norse on November 01, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on November 01, 2021, 03:35:41 PM
Just wanted to report that I visited Paris for a few days and it all worked fairly well.

We were asked for our NHS vaccine pass at the outgoing airport. The app failed briefly but came back to life after a refresh. I also knew I had the paper version to fall back on if needed (which it wasn't).

The FFP2 mask I think we were told in advance to wear on the plane was not expected. Few other passengers had brought one. France, however, insists on blue surgical masks (no cloth masks)[nb]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/france-bans-homemade-covid-masks-public[/nb], which we only learned at the airport but thankfully they were available from the airline team at the gate.

The sworn statement we had to sign, declaring we had no covid symptoms, was asked about at the outgoing airport but not taken from us or looked at closely. It was neither asked for nor taken at Paris airport.

The various post-Brexit bits and bobs like proof of savings, proof of travel insurance, address of hotel, return ticket were not asked for at either airport.

In Paris itself, the domestic AntiCovid app was asked for in most places we visited. A member of staff or a special greeter would scan it with ease and we all got on with our lives. Great stuff.

So yeah, it all worked well. The people of Paris seem sensible with mask use and distancing. The Metro was busier than one would like and I saw a few nose-breathers but nothing compared to England.[nb]I live in Glasgow where I'd say people are about 70-80% sensible but I visited my family in the Midlands recently and it's like they've all completely forgotten about covid and I felt embarrassed/non-conformist to wear my mask in a busy marketplace[/nb] Most Parisians I saw even wear their surgical masks outdoors.

The Day 2 covid test on return was a piece of piss but annoyingly expensive at £68 where England (I believe) can use cheapsies.

Happy to answer experience-based questions concerning covid- and documentation-based nervousness should anyone ask.

I'm in France right now.

Had to scan my vaccine QR code at the airport and when going to a large event (ie the football game we went to yesterday), otherwise nothing, and things like masks are pretty loosely policed. Haven't had to show anyone the sworn statement at all yet. Have to have Bluetooth activated for the French app to do its contact tracing but it hasn't notified us about anything yet.

Then again I got EU citizenship last year and travelled here from a Schengen country. Can imagine that combining this stuff with all the Brexit bollocks is a ballache.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on November 02, 2021, 05:29:13 AM
The info about Paris was much appreciated, Mobbd.

I'm flying back to the USA in January for the first time in two years (finally to arrange a funeral) -- I think I need to have a PCR test three days ahead of flying out? I've not been to any on-site centres here in the UK: are they super expensive? I'm flying on 3 January, so will tesdting centres even be open on the 31st December, 1st or 2nd, or am I doomed?*

(I have a USA passport, because I'm not allowed to enter the States on my UK one -- they won't recognise dual citizenship).



*I'm probably doomed as I have to fly in to Florida.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on November 02, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
I also have to travel to the USA in the new year and my understanding is that you (currently) need to have a less than 3 day old negative test if you're fully vaccinated, and 1 day old if not vaccinated. The testing requirement came as something of a surprise to me, but I think it's quite reasonable considering there will be hundreds of people crammed into a sealed tube for 9+ hours. Antigen 'quick' tests are acceptable, which makes timing things much easier, and they're typically a lot cheaper. I don't live in the UK, but I'll be amazed if all the testing centres there are closed for three consecutive days. If I was flying on the 3rd of January, I'd try to get a quick test booked in for Friday 31st, since New Year's Eve is still technically a normal working day.

Alternatively, you could just go out and catch Covid now, which would exclude you from the testing requirement and save a lot of hassle.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on November 02, 2021, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: Attila on November 02, 2021, 05:29:13 AM
The info about Paris was much appreciated, Mobbd.

I'm flying back to the USA in January for the first time in two years (finally to arrange a funeral) -- I think I need to have a PCR test three days ahead of flying out? I've not been to any on-site centres here in the UK: are they super expensive? I'm flying on 3 January, so will tesdting centres even be open on the 31st December, 1st or 2nd, or am I doomed?*

(I have a USA passport, because I'm not allowed to enter the States on my UK one -- they won't recognise dual citizenship).



*I'm probably doomed as I have to fly in to Florida.

I can't directly answer those questions because I only went to France and the entry requirements are different for each country, but that all sounds about right. For a starting point on researching the process, this should be your page I reckon (I used the France equivalent): https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requirements

The "post-Brexit" documents I mentioned in my post are required for all international travel, I think. I mean, I say "required" but that's a massive overstatement. It's just that a border agent *might* ask about your savings/return ticket etc[nb]Many years ago, I was asked for the address of where I'd be staying in New York City at the JFK airport border; I didn't have the address because I'd simply arranged to meet a friend at Grand Central Station. I managed to get through, but the border guard was pissed and I will not make that mistake again![/nb], and if you're a slightly nervous traveller like I am these days, it feels good to have the actual documents to hand (I had perhaps six sheets of paper, which I put in an envelope next to a magazine in my cabin shoulder bag) instead of suddenly needing to futz around with your phone in an unfamiliar environment with a queue behind you.

I'm sure the test centres will be open over New Years. Check in advance though!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on November 02, 2021, 06:21:43 PM
Cheers, both, thanks for the links and info!

Now to find the centres themselves in my local area....

Not worried about producing docs about my savings/return ticket to the USA because I'll be going into the country on my American passport, so they just figure I'm returning to the land of the free and the home of the brave. Return trip is to the uk, which I do on my British passport (and I'm ok with everything needed for that leg of the trip on the back of experience coming back here from Spain last Sept). So in both directions, I'm going home.

But yeah, when I was coming and going to Spain, I had everything as a hard copy as I don't have a phone with internet capability and did not feel like lugging a laptop around in the airport and faffing with it.

As for addresses, before I became a British citizen and before I had the leave to remain, I always gave my address as 96 Euston NW1 2DB when required on landing cards or at Heathrow Border Control.

Mostly just need to find ye olde testing centre here in Britain so I can return to my native planet.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on November 02, 2021, 06:43:22 PM
NHS vaccination QR code is now being accepted in the Netherlands if any of you lot fancy coming over for a cannabis-fuelled canal clog orgy in Rutger Hauer's orange tulip windmill brothel.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on November 16, 2021, 08:05:08 PM
Is anyone planning to go to Germany over the yuletide? We would be flying directly into Frankfurt, then get a train.
Would it be sufficient if we took the NHS letters which confirm we have had our two jabs?

I can probably find this information online somewhere, but this forum seems more trustworthy.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 16, 2021, 11:55:31 PM
There now.

It's a volatile situation so I wouldn't make any plans to visit Germany over that period at all. Even this trip seems touch and go.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on November 17, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
Aye, but it's really my partner who wants to spend Weihnachten with her family in deepest Franconia again, like we used to do before the pandemic. It's all been booked for months now. I am not sure whether PCR tests will be asked for, and I gather Germany requires these special approved masks as well, not just any old face covering. Lufthansa is more expensive than KLM, but they fly directly to Germany rather than stopping over in France or the Netherlands.
I have only got an NHS letter to prove I have been twice vaccinated. On top of that, I am still waiting for the Home Office to confirm my new passport; it's been nearly a month now.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on November 17, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 16, 2021, 11:55:31 PM
There now.

It's a volatile situation so I wouldn't make any plans to visit Germany over that period at all. Even this trip seems touch and go.

How so? I read about the higher-than-normal case rates and the likely introduction of so-called 2G measures[nb]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/16/germany-set-to-tighten-rules-for-unvaccinated-as-covid-cases-rise[/nb]. But so long as a person is masked and vaxed (and able to show it), what sort of problems/volatility are we talking about?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on November 19, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/europe-imposes-lockdown-restrictions-as-fourth-wave-of-coronavirus-surges-12472077

The whole of Europe is in lockdown now so dunno what that'll mean for travel.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: buttgammon on November 19, 2021, 11:51:34 AM
No lockdown in Ireland, just a midnight closing time for nightclubs. We're going to do the same as last year, which is wait until we're completely beyond breaking point and go into a six month lockdown at Christmas.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on November 19, 2021, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on November 19, 2021, 11:01:25 AMThe whole of Europe is in lockdown now so dunno what that'll mean for travel.

I don't know what's happening over there right now but the link you posted says "Germany, Austria, and Slovakia have introduced restrictions on unvaccinated citizens, with two Austrian states going into full lockdown from next week." That's not "the whole of Europe is in lockdown". It's barely anything really.

The UK government travel advice for France (for example) does not suggest there is currently any disruption to travel beyond what I personally experienced and described above/on the previous page. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/coronavirus
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: bgmnts on November 19, 2021, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on November 19, 2021, 02:57:46 PMI don't know what's happening over there right now but the link you posted says "Germany, Austria, and Slovakia have introduced restrictions on unvaccinated citizens, with two Austrian states going into full lockdown from next week." That's not "the whole of Europe is in lockdown". It's barely anything really.

The UK government travel advice for France (for example) does not suggest there is currently any disruption to travel beyond what I personally experienced and described above/on the previous page. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/coronavirus

Yeah I was just taking the piss out of the article heading really.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Better Midlands on November 20, 2021, 11:47:47 AM
I was looking in the Dutch government's website this week and came across a list of countries that are considered "very high risk".

(https://i.imgur.com/TnBfF0k.jpg)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fr.Bigley on November 23, 2021, 10:54:51 PM
High risk and Shit. Wow, well done UK. Time to emigrate methinks.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on November 24, 2021, 12:34:30 AM
Well, I'd prefer to be in the UK rather than Germany right now.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 24, 2021, 08:34:53 AM
Quote from: nugget on November 24, 2021, 12:34:30 AMWell, I'd prefer to be in the UK rather than Germany right now.

I returned for this reason on Sunday.

Mask wearing is near 100% over there in public transport and shops and there are checks at every bar and restaurant for vaccines. It isn't suppressing this.

Another winter lockdown is on the cards for them and Poland, Hungary, Austria, Slovakia, etc
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 24, 2021, 08:36:34 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on November 19, 2021, 11:01:25 AMhttps://news.sky.com/story/europe-imposes-lockdown-restrictions-as-fourth-wave-of-coronavirus-surges-12472077

The whole of Europe is in lockdown now so dunno what that'll mean for travel.

No it isn't.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on November 24, 2021, 12:10:43 PM
Being in Scotland, I am used to masking up on public transport and in shops, but there is not much point spending Crimbo in Forchheim if everything is shut. The Christmas Markets both there and in Nuremberg have been cancelled again, which is counterintuitive as they are in the open air and spacious. I fear not being able even to partake of a tavern libation would undo the very point of the undertaking.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 24, 2021, 12:13:07 PM
I've booked for Berlin for Xmas and not sure if I'll even be able to enter the country.

Just back from Italy, by the way, and there were absolutely NO COVID CHECKS of any kind at Milan Malpensa when I arrived.

Bari was lovely, whoever suggested that. Thank you.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 24, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on November 16, 2021, 08:05:08 PMIs anyone planning to go to Germany over the yuletide? We would be flying directly into Frankfurt, then get a train.
Would it be sufficient if we took the NHS letters which confirm we have had our two jabs?

I can probably find this information online somewhere, but this forum seems more trustworthy.

I've just seen this.

I'm pretty sure that as well as the NHS letters (the QR code on the left was the one I needed to show to enter restaurants and museums in Italy) you'll need a passenger locator form, which is straightforward - just fill it out via gov.uk and enter the details of the address you'll be staying at in Germany. Print it out and attach a digital copy to your airline app thing.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on November 24, 2021, 12:22:14 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 24, 2021, 01:24:59 PM
Quote from: the science eel on November 24, 2021, 12:13:07 PMBari was lovely, whoever suggested that. Thank you.

I think I probably banged on about Bari at some point. If so, then you're welcome.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 24, 2021, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on November 24, 2021, 12:10:43 PMBeing in Scotland, I am used to masking up on public transport and in shops, but there is not much point spending Crimbo in Forchheim if everything is shut. The Christmas Markets both there and in Nuremberg have been cancelled again, which is counterintuitive as they are in the open air and spacious. I fear not being able even to partake of a tavern libation would undo the very point of the undertaking.

The open air isn't the problem so much as the tight crowding. Look at your breath when it's cold, look at the vapour and how it travels. Do you want to be cheek to cheek with dozens of strangers (even outdoors) knowing the new strain of Delta is even more infectious? Not sure I would except maybe if I wore a mask, which would defeat part of visit, eg. munching on stollen and drinking Gluhwein.

All the same, bars and restaurants are open and there are very many excellent ones in Nuremberg, Furth, Forchheim, Bamberg etc. Some are safer than being huddled in a Xmas market.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 24, 2021, 05:11:29 PM
Slovakia now in a full 2 week lockdown. I wonder what governments will do given that unvaccinated people are basically wrecking the economy. Vast majority in hospital over there are unvaccinated.

It has flipped around: where the antimask/antivax crew are now in a clearly anti-business, anti-economy position.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 25, 2021, 08:14:38 PM
Czechia introducing 5pm closing in pubs. Hmm feels like we have been here before.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 25, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: shoulders on November 25, 2021, 08:14:38 PMCzechia introducing 5pm closing in pubs. Hmm feels like we have been here before.

oh THAT'll go down well!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on November 26, 2021, 01:00:28 AM
Everything here in Amsterdam is closing at 8pm again, except weirdly the cinema where you can sit cheek by jowl in a crowded auditorium unmasked all night. Can't buy popcorn or a drink in concessions after 8pm, but absolutely nothing stopping you coughing covid onto hundreds of Marvel fans whenever you feel like it.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on November 26, 2021, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: shoulders on November 24, 2021, 08:34:53 AMI returned for this reason on Sunday.

Mask wearing is near 100% over there in public transport and shops and there are checks at every bar and restaurant for vaccines. It isn't suppressing this.

Another winter lockdown is on the cards for them and Poland, Hungary, Austria, Slovakia, etc

In Saxony, we effectively have lockdown for unvaccinated people now, and businesses such as Gyms, Theaters, etc., have shut down again. The Christmas markets are up and looking lovely but will also have to remain shut. It's the worst hit state in Germany, and coincidentally also has the lowest vaccination rate at 57%.  Supposedly it's only for three weeks, but they're already talking about extending the lockdown measures for everybody, and I can imagine similar measures being introduced in other states as rates will inevitably continue to rise. It's tempting to blame the 'vaccine hesitant' for this, and I do, in part, since they're the ones clogging up the local hospitals to such an extent that we're having to export patients to Italy and Portugal, but the local authorities did the very German thing of making it as inconvenient and annoying as possible to get vaccinated, which also won't have helped. I'd like to get a booster jab soon, but it's not even possible to book a vaccination at the moment. You have to go and queue up in the freezing cold for hours outside one of the few mobile vaccination centres without any guarantee of actually receiving one. It's no surprise that the on-the-fence unvaccinated have not come running to get their jabs.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on November 26, 2021, 02:26:57 PM
I'm surprised, I would have thought that Germany would be really efficent at this and make it easy to book.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on November 26, 2021, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on November 26, 2021, 02:26:57 PMI'm surprised, I would have thought that Germany would be really efficent at this and make it easy to book.

Less than a month ago the Guardian published an article showing off how more effective and organised their response has been. National stereotypes die hard, I guess.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on November 26, 2021, 03:52:01 PM
German authorities probably prefer all relevant documents to be submitted by fax. They really like their fax machines.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on November 26, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: shoulders on November 26, 2021, 03:44:41 PMLess than a month ago the Guardian published an article showing off how more effective and organised their response has been. National stereotypes die hard, I guess.

Think I said at the time the guardian will publish those kind of articles for self-hating FBPErs to share on twitter and cry-wank, regardless of the actual accuracy of the content.

The giveaway is having a shareable headline that confirms centrist pablum (which is largely of fully retracted in the actual article).

The one that comes to mind is from a year or two ago, headline: "500% rise in new Irish passport applications from inside UK!" which fits the bill for Emma Kennedy and co to score some points on twitter but inside the article it explained the figure had gone from 17 in 2016 to 85 in 2017 or something. I bet if I check the main page now there will be a similar article.

Anyway, this isn't the guardian thread so I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on November 26, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: shoulders on November 26, 2021, 03:44:41 PMLess than a month ago the Guardian published an article showing off how more effective and organised their response has been. National stereotypes die hard, I guess.

Germany did relatively well in 2020 at controlling the first wave, but 2021 and the vaccine rollout have been a shit show. We've just reached the milestone of 100k deaths, which is still less than the UK, but last year it was a completely different story. I definitely prefer the way Germany has decided on the imposition and relaxation of restrictions based on actual data and clearly stated limits though, which has obviously never been the case in the UK. Not that it seems to have helped much lately.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on November 26, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Colleague was going to South Africa for Christmas. Not, now.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: hamfist on November 27, 2021, 11:33:48 PM
My bro is meant to visit from switzerland with wife and baby from 8th to 13th december. They're going to his wife's mums home in Catalunya for christmas.

Switzerland now announced a 10d quarantine for arrivals from the UK meaning if they come see us their christmas trip is in doubt.

NNNNNG.

We were meant to go see them at October half term but we actually got the 'roni - looks like we'll miss them now, we'll attempt to go there at Feb half term as I moved all the October arrangements to then.

This thing is fucking cursed.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: imitationleather on November 28, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
I was supposed to be seeing some family who live on the Isle of Man next weekend. It's unclear whether they're (as in the Manx government) are going to decide they're inside the UK or outside the UK when it comes to these new travel rules.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 28, 2021, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: mothman on November 26, 2021, 06:19:39 PMColleague was going to South Africa for Christmas. Not, now.

Or anywhere for that matter
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: C_Larence on November 28, 2021, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on November 28, 2021, 09:25:27 AMOr anywhere for that matter

Do you really think they'll close the borders?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 28, 2021, 10:35:22 AM
No, of course they won't. I'm pretty sure of that. Nobody wants that and nobody actually needs that.

They'll be a tightening up at customs, masks expected everywhere (a particular type of mask in some countries).

I wonder what Christmas will look like in London, Berlin, Prague...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: imitationleather on November 28, 2021, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: the science eel on November 28, 2021, 10:35:22 AMI wonder what Christmas will look like in London, Berlin, Prague...

Live Aid and M consider rewrite.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 28, 2021, 11:22:23 AM
 
Quote from: C_Larence on November 28, 2021, 10:28:38 AMDo you really think they'll close the borders?

Effective and strict monitoring at borders
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 28, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: the science eel on November 28, 2021, 10:35:22 AMNo, of course they won't. I'm pretty sure of that. Nobody wants that and nobody actually needs that.

They'll be a tightening up at customs, masks expected everywhere (a particular type of mask in some countries).

I wonder what Christmas will look like in London, Berlin, Prague...

I'd argue for effective control, no more dither and delay, one rule for some and another for others.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on November 28, 2021, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on November 28, 2021, 11:24:07 AMone rule for some and another for others.

That part'll happen pretty definitely.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on November 28, 2021, 04:25:49 PM
The state of Bavaria seems to be as yet undecided as to whether a new lockdown will be imposed; a decision is expected by the 9th. Frankly no point in going if there is.
If we do go and, in that case, return on the 28th, we shall have to take a PCR test on the 30th, which is bollocks, since I've booked our annual Hogmanay trip for then, and we would not yet have obtained the results.
If you go to a PCR testing centre and take the test on the spot, do you get the result straight away?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 28, 2021, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on November 28, 2021, 04:25:49 PMThe state of Bavaria seems to be as yet undecided as to whether a new lockdown will be imposed; a decision is expected by the 9th. Frankly no point in going if there is.
If we do go and, in that case, return on the 28th, we shall have to take a PCR test on the 30th, which is bollocks, since I've booked our annual Hogmanay trip for then, and we would not yet have obtained the results.
If you go to a PCR testing centre and take the test on the spot, do you get the result straight away?


No - within 24 hours (mine actually took 24 hours)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on November 29, 2021, 02:57:33 PM
PCR tests generally have to be sent away to a lab for analysis, but I remember that Frankfurt airport had a test centre that could turnaround a PCR test in 35 minutes. Obviously, you have to pay for the privilege. I think Heathrow offered something similar. If you're located near to a major airport, then it might be worth checking their website.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Inspector Norse on November 30, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
Manchester Airport, where I'm supposed to be flying in 20 days' time, says you can still do a lateral flow test. Which sounds fine by me, if slightly surprising given that they just changed the rules to day-2 PCR tests, but hey, it's cheaper and quicker so fine by me.

The government website, meanwhile, lists all manner of PCR test suppliers, with prices from 94p/test. Is this right?

Can you trust anyone?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 30, 2021, 08:56:51 AM
What fucked me off was getting an email from the company who'd sold me the PCR test advertising a SALE, just a couple of days ago. Like they're selling shampoo. 'buy 3 get one free'

Of course they're a business but still...it's all a fucking con, this.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: FiremanJim on November 30, 2021, 09:03:55 AM
Quote from: the science eel on November 30, 2021, 08:56:51 AMWhat fucked me off was getting an email from the company who'd sold me the PCR test advertising a SALE, just a couple of days ago. Like they're selling shampoo. 'buy 3 get one free'

Of course they're a business but still...it's all a fucking con, this.

My company was spamming me emails advertising other health products. I thought this was a bit weird.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on November 30, 2021, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on November 30, 2021, 08:35:12 AMThe government website, meanwhile, lists all manner of PCR test suppliers, with prices from 94p/test. Is this right?


No. They are just trying to get to the top of the list when you sort by price. When you click through it will be the standard £60-90 for a send off lab test and £120+ for a walk through 24-48 hour test.

The whole thing is a fucking racket and I'm so sick of it. I've spent over £1K in used and unused PCR tests this year, which due to my trips to the UK being less than two days were completely pointless, didn't get the results until a couple of days after I'd left.  We have UK flights booked for Christmas and if things stay the way they are we will have to fork out £400 minimum in PCR tests, if the rules get tougher we won't be able to go and lose the £500 we spent on flights.  Lose - lose.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: sevendaughters on November 30, 2021, 09:21:57 AM
I learned about the 2 day test thing on the way to the airport home from a recent venture, scared by the threatening tone of fines, etc. No one checked whether I had booked one, no one gave a solitary shite.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on November 30, 2021, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on November 30, 2021, 09:21:57 AMI learned about the 2 day test thing on the way to the airport home from a recent venture, scared by the threatening tone of fines, etc. No one checked whether I had booked one, no one gave a solitary shite.

The only reason you need to book it (and not take it - nobody can check that) is that you're given a code which you need to enter into your passenger locator form.

If you didn't/don't need a passenger locator form then there's no reason to fuck around with that day 2 stuff really.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on November 30, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
Has anybody tried just putting a random made up code on their passenger locator form to see if it's accepted?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Billy on December 01, 2021, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: beanheadmcginty on November 30, 2021, 12:31:38 PMHas anybody tried just putting a random made up code on their passenger locator form to see if it's accepted?

Judging from various social media posts, this is very common and works. Five letters and seven numbers so in theory ABCDE1234567 will let you into the country, but that might be a bit too obvious in the chance someone actually checks.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on December 01, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: nugget on November 29, 2021, 02:57:33 PMPCR tests generally have to be sent away to a lab for analysis, but I remember that Frankfurt airport had a test centre that could turnaround a PCR test in 35 minutes. Obviously, you have to pay for the privilege. I think Heathrow offered something similar. If you're located near to a major airport, then it might be worth checking their website.

Frankfurt Airport does have a test centre and results do take 45 minutes, but please stand in a queue for 1 hour+ next to lots of potentially sick people first. Yep.

I didn't do it but I have seen the state of that test centre this year and last. Not great.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on December 01, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
Basically no-one should have reasonably thought they'd be able to travel abroad this winter.

I got lucky getting out of Germany a couple of weeks ago, in my opinion December to end of February is simply off limits for European travel until we figure out a way to suppress infections satisfactorily.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Better Midlands on December 01, 2021, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: beanheadmcginty on November 30, 2021, 12:31:38 PMHas anybody tried just putting a random made up code on their passenger locator form to see if it's accepted?

My daughter has twice used the code generated by me booking a rapid antigen test which she needed to take for KLM to give her a boarding pass to return to Schipol rather than the day 2 test the PLF was asking for. Also she was chatting on a flight to one guy who travels NL-UK regularly and he just puts the same number in each time, I'm pretty confident you could chuck any old shit in without a problem.

Edit

QuoteFive letters and seven numbers so in theory ABCDE1234567 will let you into the country

Just checked and her's was this format.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 01, 2021, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on November 30, 2021, 09:21:57 AMI learned about the 2 day test thing on the way to the airport home from a recent venture, scared by the threatening tone of fines, etc. No one checked whether I had booked one, no one gave a solitary shite.

That's surprising. Did you fill in a passenger locator form? In my experience, airlines have been the only ones who've bothered to enforce the travel requirements at all. But as others have mentioned, I'm sure you could just put a made-up order number on the passenger locator form and the chance of it being picked up is negligible.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: buttgammon on December 01, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
When I was out of the country for a few days in October, I flew back Ryanair and nobody checked my locator form at either end, including airline staff and Irish border security. It was properly scrutinised when I was on a ferry a few months earlier though.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 01, 2021, 08:14:04 PM
Javid says: 'No need to cancel Christmas party plans'. Phew, that's a relief. This can only mean I can attend my usual Christmas party with my partner's family near Forchheim.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 02, 2021, 12:18:28 AM
Can anyone tell me exactly what this 2G thing entails for people visiting Germany?

I'm worried that some sites are saying that you need to show proof of vaccination that's less than 6 months and more than 14 days old. Mine is now more than 6 months old but I'm going to get the booster just two days before travelling.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 02, 2021, 02:55:59 PM
2G means that anyone who has either been vaccinated against or recovered from Covid is allowed entry to public and/or private venues. I cannot find the requirements which you cite. Vaccinated Germans have an Impfnachweis (a yellow booklet) from the federal Health Ministry, but as a UK resident, I don't see how you could prove your vaccination status in any other way than by the NHS letter.
For entry to 2G zones, the state of Berlin now only accepts machine-readable formats, i.e., a QR code, which can be obtained in pharmacies. I am not sure, but you might try and take your NHS letter to a German pharmacy and ask for the code. Perhaps they could print one for you.

The reason seems to be that over 3000 of these yellow booklets have been forged.
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/corona-impfnachweis-wird-das-gelbe-heft-zum-auslaufmodell-li.197258
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 02, 2021, 05:23:37 PM
Thanks JF. The QR code I have worked fine in Italy - hopefully the same in Germany. It's just that it'll be very new
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on December 03, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
Yep, also I would say don't over think it. If you keep your mask, vax qr codes and photo Id on you you're sorted.

Some scanners wouldn't pick up on the NHS qr code but you can ask to sign in on paper in some places too.

All trip, maybe visiting 80 odd places there was only 1 that wouldn't let me in after the QR code failed, and that was a late bar where the Google reviews say the bouncer is a cunt.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 03, 2021, 06:48:17 PM
danke Schatzi
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 04, 2021, 08:35:48 PM
So now we all have to get jabbed before returning to the UK...

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Mobbd on December 05, 2021, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: the science eel on December 04, 2021, 08:35:48 PMSo now we all have to get jabbed before returning to the UK...

Do you mean tested?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 06, 2021, 09:12:59 AM
aye
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 06, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
There, booked on-site PCR tests not far from Edinburgh airport. 120 smackeroonies I'll never get back. Bastards.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 09, 2021, 11:45:18 AM
It seems that 2G+ is becoming more common in public venues across Germany now, which means you have to have a negative test result no older than 24 hours in addition to proof of vaccination. I had to stay in a Hotel in Hanover a couple of days ago and the 2G+ requirement was in place, which completely took me by surprise, but the Hotel was able to sell me a quick test for €5 that I could take (unsupervised) on the spot. I showed the result to the reception staff and they printed me out a test 'certificate' on the hotel's standard headed notepaper, which also allowed me access to a local restaurant without raising any eyebrows. To be honest, I'm pretty sure anybody could just mock up a professional looking test certificate and it would still be accepted everywhere. There seems to be no control/understanding over who is actually authorised to issue these things.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Zetetic on December 09, 2021, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: nugget on November 26, 2021, 06:10:01 PMGermany did relatively well in 2020 at controlling the first wave
Had a tonne more healthcare capacity to play with, across the country, of course.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 09, 2021, 03:02:33 PM
Quote from: nugget on December 09, 2021, 11:45:18 AMIt seems that 2G+ is becoming more common in public venues across Germany now, which means you have to have a negative test result no older than 24 hours in addition to proof of vaccination. I had to stay in a Hotel in Hanover a couple of days ago and the 2G+ requirement was in place, which completely took me by surprise, but the Hotel was able to sell me a quick test for €5 that I could take (unsupervised) on the spot. I showed the result to the reception staff and they printed me out a test 'certificate' on the hotel's standard headed notepaper, which also allowed me access to a local restaurant without raising any eyebrows. To be honest, I'm pretty sure anybody could just mock up a professional looking test certificate and it would still be accepted everywhere. There seems to be no control/understanding over who is actually authorised to issue these things.

So if the cert needs to have been issued the same day or the day before entry, you'll need to be tested every day, right? if you're visiting cafes, restaurants, galleries.

I'm worried now about my Xmas break in Berlin, this kind of thing is going to sink it altogether.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 09, 2021, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: the science eel on December 09, 2021, 03:02:33 PMSo if the cert needs to have been issued the same day or the day before entry, you'll need to be tested every day, right? if you're visiting cafes, restaurants, galleries.

I'm worried now about my Xmas break in Berlin, this kind of thing is going to sink it altogether.

It depends on where you're going. Each state has its own set of rules, which is why I was caught out. In Lower Saxony, 2G-Plus is widespread now, although they're thinking of getting red of the test requirement for people who've had a booster jab. In my Saxony, we only have '2G', so the test is not required, although restaurants and bars have to close at 8 pm. I think Berlin only has 2G at the moment, and has relatively lenient restrictions.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 09, 2021, 06:02:18 PM
Thanks! I guess if they don't let me in I'll have to nip off sharpish and get tested, hoping they'll wait.

I imagine cheap cafes and the like won't be too fussed about anything more than a QR code.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 17, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
Hanging on...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-govt-considers-classifying-britain-virus-variant-area-2021-12-17/
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 17, 2021, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: the science eel on December 17, 2021, 01:11:47 PMHanging on...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-govt-considers-classifying-britain-virus-variant-area-2021-12-17/

I also saw the Guardian reporting this, but I'm not seeing it being reported in the German press so far, only something about a regional politician calling for the UK to be reclassified as a virus variant area. It would mean my Christmas plans are out the window for the second year in a row, which sucks for me.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 17, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
No updates, and as it's 6.30 pm in Germany and the weekend is here, I'm hopeful nothing will change now before 2022.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 17, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
https://www.stern.de/news/reisen-grossbritannien-bald-corona-virusvariantengebiet--31432262.html

They'll have to hurry, because I'm flying off on Monday morning.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on December 17, 2021, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on December 17, 2021, 06:15:37 PMhttps://www.stern.de/news/reisen-grossbritannien-bald-corona-virusvariantengebiet--31432262.html

They'll have to hurry, because I'm flying off on Monday morning.

Chasing the plane down the tarmac waving bits of paper as you jet off to freedom in The West.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 17, 2021, 06:19:05 PM
Germany usually review the travel rules every Friday and publish them on the RKI website. They just (like 15 minutes ago) published this week's update, and the UK's status hasn't changed. I've been stressing out about this all afternoon, so this is a relief.

Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf (https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 17, 2021, 06:30:03 PM
So if the UK's status changes next Friday, what would that mean for Brit tourists who are already in Germany?

I suppose I'm thinking aloud here...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 17, 2021, 06:30:30 PM
Good to know, cheers. I'll lock up the office and fill out the Einreiseanmeldung when I get home.

https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 17, 2021, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: the science eel on December 17, 2021, 06:30:03 PMSo if the UK's status changes next Friday, what would that mean for Brit tourists who are already in Germany?

I suppose I'm thinking aloud here...

If you're already here then you're fine, you'll only have to worry about whatever random brain farts Boris's lot will have while you're away.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 18, 2021, 12:11:37 AM
I think I'm all cleared to go now... The RKI Einreiseanmeldung is quite a convoluted procedure with two different PIN codes, but my British vaccination document seems to have been accepted.

I'll let my girl-friend take care of all the certificates; she has one of them 'smart-phone' thingies.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: peanutbutter on December 18, 2021, 12:18:15 AM
Can't see new travel restrictions being added next week in many places, and major ones mid-Christmas would presumably be a political disaster too so it's probably just gonna go wild until January 4th
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 18, 2021, 08:02:28 PM
So UK folk don't need any kind of negative test result to ENTER Germany, is that right?

It's not entirely clear from the sites I've looked at.

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/coronavirus/2317268
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 18, 2021, 08:18:07 PM
You need either a negative test result or a vaccination certificate or proof that you have recovered from Covid. Any of these three will do.

If you scan your NHS letter and upload it to the Einreiseanmeldung with the Robert Koch Institute, you will receive from them a PDF file in return.

In all likelihood, you will subsequently need both your vaccination letter and said PDF from the Robert Koch Institute in order to fill in the data required by the airline (at least Lufthansa requires this).

Once that procedure is completed, you can check in for your flight within the allocated time frame.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 18, 2021, 09:04:25 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 18, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
No - just got this:

Updated information that from 23:01 on 19 December, only German citizens and residents may travel to Germany from the UK (there are limited exemptions). Permitted travellers must now have proof of a negative Covid test, regardless of vaccination status. All permitted travellers arriving in Germany after 23:01 on 19 December must quarantine at home for 14 days irrespective of their vaccination status.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 18, 2021, 10:18:51 PM
https://www.thelocal.de/20211218/travel-germany-adds-uk-to-virus-variant-risk-list/?amp
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 18, 2021, 11:17:13 PM
In the process of cancelling everything. Fine, then, there will be no Christmas.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on December 18, 2021, 11:20:22 PM
Sorry, JF. I'm doing the same, not that it helps.

Looking at flights to Krakow...
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: peanutbutter on December 19, 2021, 12:52:00 AM
Has anyone cancelled their christmas plans over the last week purely of their own accord?

It's looking like I probably can travel and travel back, but it's seeming a bit ridiculous when I can quite easily just travel in February or March instead. Obviously this is less doable for others who may not be able to co-ordinate a full family gathering as easily but I'm surprised I've yet to hear anyone I know cancel their plans of their own accord.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on December 19, 2021, 02:20:58 AM
MrsMoth has a German staff member who's going there on Tuesday. So after the cut-off. This person is a complete waste of space and tries it on all the time, so she's looking forward to them trying to claim their enforced now-two-week stay in the Fatherland shouldn't have to come out of annual leave.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 19, 2021, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on December 18, 2021, 11:17:13 PMIn the process of cancelling everything. Fine, then, there will be no Christmas.

Yeah, it fucking sucks. Second year in a row.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 19, 2021, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: mothman on December 19, 2021, 02:20:58 AMMrsMoth has a German staff member who's going there on Tuesday. So after the cut-off. This person is a complete waste of space and tries it on all the time, so she's looking forward to them trying to claim their enforced now-two-week stay in the Fatherland shouldn't have to come out of annual leave.

Presumably they are (or, were) planning to go home to spend Christmas with family, rather than it being some plot they conjured up in the middle of the night to gain some free holiday leave? There's a good chance they couldn't go home last year either. I don't know if they're really a 'waste of space', but a little more understanding may be in order here.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on December 19, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
I appreciate some people will have little flexibility due to personal circumstances but if you have a choice and chose to try and travel abroad between December and January after seeing how last year went down, surely what happened last year, where we could barely do anything until April should have been a big warning.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 19, 2021, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: shoulders on December 19, 2021, 11:14:07 AMI appreciate some people will have little flexibility due to personal circumstances but if you have a choice and chose to try and travel abroad between December and January after seeing how last year went down, surely what happened last year, where we could barely do anything until April should have been a big warning.

I don't think this year is comparable to last winter. They couldn't have known that omicron was going to appear and trigger a fresh wave of lockdowns amongst mostly vaccinated populations. There's also a good reason why people 'choose' to travel at this time of year specifically, it shouldn't be held against them.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on December 19, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
When you say held against them I am only meaning in terms me stating their foolishness and poor decision making, I am not suggesting we place them in the stocks or used in any further way than that. I just think it's a shame for someone to have brought disappointment on themselves which could have been avoided.

I can see you are more sympathetic but I think it was totally foreseeable even if Omicron had not emerged that Christmas and January at least would be a no go zone for foreign travel due to the seasonal factors that spread the virus.

It was never going to vanish from a threat which crippled us for the winter and into mid Spring to something we had that level of control over in the space of one year. All available evidence pointed to that.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 19, 2021, 11:38:06 AM
Impossible to get through to Lufthansa, both on the UK and the German number. Changing the flight online is not working.
I don't mind so much for my own sake, but the girl-friend will not be having her family Christmas again this year.
We might try and move it to April and make a longer holiday of it, but that would require, first and foremost, getting through to the airline before the flight was supposed to take off.

Christmas, of course, was the very reason why we were planning to go to Germany. Why does anyone go there in late December?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 19, 2021, 12:17:05 PM
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the rebooking ordeal. Thankfully I can wait a few days until the initial rush has passed. My first, completely irrational, thought this morning was to book a flight to Prague instead, take a train over the border, and lie on the Einreiseanmeldung, but that would be stupid for various reasons.

In the meantime, there will be several Premier League matches today in the UK with stadiums rammed with tens of thousands of fans. Doesn't seem like the best idea somehow.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Crenners on December 19, 2021, 01:07:13 PM
Feel like pure shit just wanna go to Framconio
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on December 19, 2021, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: nugget on December 19, 2021, 11:12:47 AMPresumably they are (or, were) planning to go home to spend Christmas with family, rather than it being some plot they conjured up in the middle of the night to gain some free holiday leave? There's a good chance they couldn't go home last year either. I don't know if they're really a 'waste of space', but a little more understanding may be in order here.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but they have been back to Germany this year (I can't remember about last Christmas) at the drop of a hat and at the cost of a great deal of disruption and inconvenience to the rest of the team who had to work harder and longer and change their own plans to cover for their absence.

And if THAT'S not spicy enough for you, then there's the fact that my wife's quite reasonable attempts to manage this Teutonic car-crash led to an unwarranted accusation of workplace bullying, which (combined with all sorts of other disruptions the public health services are going through right now) likely led to the cardiac arrest my wife suffered two months ago. So fuck them forever.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on December 19, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
There, rearranged the flights after only three hours in the phone queue.

I think we'll just have a cosy trip to Tesco for Christmas.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on December 19, 2021, 04:13:08 PM
Quote from: mothman on December 19, 2021, 01:41:54 PMI understand the point you're trying to make, but they have been back to Germany this year (I can't remember about last Christmas) at the drop of a hat and at the cost of a great deal of disruption and inconvenience to the rest of the team who had to work harder and longer and change their own plans to cover for their absence.

And if THAT'S not spicy enough for you, then there's the fact that my wife's quite reasonable attempts to manage this Teutonic car-crash led to an unwarranted accusation of workplace bullying, which (combined with all sorts of other disruptions the public health services are going through right now) likely led to the cardiac arrest my wife suffered two months ago. So fuck them forever.

I did the something similar in the summer (in the opposite direction) when it suddenly became possible to make the trip after many months of it being impossible and having not seen my family for the best part of a year. Luckily my job is unimportant so I wasn't really missed, and my manager was fine with it.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife's heart attack. That's shit and I hope she's OK.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on December 19, 2021, 04:23:31 PM
Thank you. She is, as far as we can tell.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on December 19, 2021, 11:19:39 PM
I was meant to go out to the USA in early January for most of the month to try to settle my mother's estate & see finally to the funeral -- way too much of a faff with all of the uncertainty. Got a voucher from BA which I've just put towards a trip in April to stay with friends in Baltimore, instead. Maybe try again to get out to my brother's later in the year.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on December 20, 2021, 08:04:04 AM
British resident in Germany here. Christmas in the UK cancelled again.

Thanks, Corbyn.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Bronzy on December 20, 2021, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: Neville Chamberlain on December 20, 2021, 08:04:04 AMBritish resident in Germany here. Christmas in the UK cancelled again.

Thanks, Corbyn.

Peace for our time, eh?
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on December 20, 2021, 10:50:00 AM
Sorry to hear that Nev.

My wife's team member has decided not to go home to Germany. They are reportedly bewailing being alone this Christmas.
Spoiler alert
Alone... with her "lodger," her personal trainer who moved in with her to "keep costs down" about five minutes after she threw her husband out! 🤔
[close]
I mean, I did feel bad about that momentarily, I'm not a complete monster.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: the science eel on January 03, 2022, 11:00:12 PM
We're free to travel to Germany now if we're fully vaccinated. For what it's worth
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on January 05, 2022, 11:31:19 PM
Uk gov rolling back PCR requirements. Feels early given the situation but at this point pretty much everyone on a plane with someone with Omicron is getting Omicron, mask or nae mask.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: shoulders on January 07, 2022, 08:53:13 PM
https://www.tripsguard.com/

Apologies if already posted but this is a really good site idea. Collates all data and you essentially put in where you're starting and where you're going and it tells you what the current requirements are.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: mothman on January 07, 2022, 09:28:31 PM
Ooh, useful. Thanks shoulders!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: katzenjammer on January 07, 2022, 10:00:06 PM
Nice idea but

QuoteTripsGuard is getting information from hundreds of different sources – our information might not be 100% accurate and you should always do further checks before making plans.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 13, 2022, 08:20:20 PM
I'm off to the USA, a third attempt to get home, on 11 April -- I think the US requires the fit-to-fly PCR test (within 24 hours of arrival into the US). Is it just best to book one at Heathrow the day before, and just stay overnight near the airport? It's expensive if you go with the 'results in four hours' one, but we live about 90 minutes away from the airport, and I can't find any place local that does them that doesn't seem dodgy/takes 24 hours to get results/is even more expensive that the Heathrow ones.

It's stressing me out more than the actual trip. :(

Has anyone flown from the UK to the USA recently? I'm headed over on my American passport because the US won't recognise my UK one, so as far as I know I just need the PCR results and the passport.

Any advice much appreciated, ta :D
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 14, 2022, 12:09:07 AM

They may not let you in Florida if you have been tested.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on March 14, 2022, 12:50:55 AM
Quote from: Attila on March 13, 2022, 08:20:20 PMI'm off to the USA, a third attempt to get home, on 11 April -- I think the US requires the fit-to-fly PCR test (within 24 hours of arrival into the US). Is it just best to book one at Heathrow the day before, and just stay overnight near the airport? It's expensive if you go with the 'results in four hours' one, but we live about 90 minutes away from the airport, and I can't find any place local that does them that doesn't seem dodgy/takes 24 hours to get results/is even more expensive that the Heathrow ones.

It's stressing me out more than the actual trip. :(

Has anyone flown from the UK to the USA recently? I'm headed over on my American passport because the US won't recognise my UK one, so as far as I know I just need the PCR results and the passport.

Any advice much appreciated, ta :D


Just use this website to find out what you need:

https://www.covid19-testing.org/country-page (https://www.covid19-testing.org/country-page)
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Ferris on March 14, 2022, 12:58:51 AM
Family are incoming through April and May. Onto the planes, fellas! COVID's over!
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 14, 2022, 05:31:48 AM
Quote from: beanheadmcginty on March 14, 2022, 12:50:55 AMJust use this website to find out what you need:

https://www.covid19-testing.org/country-page (https://www.covid19-testing.org/country-page)

Handy, super thanks!

Where are people getting the tests done? That's the other thing stressing me out -- searching around online brings up a lot of fly-by-night places locally to me with prices all over the shop, and no guarantee of getting the results quickly (US requires no less than 24 hours). I'm gonna end up having to go to Heathrow the day before, aren't I :(
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 14, 2022, 05:34:07 AM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on March 14, 2022, 12:09:07 AMThey may not let you in Florida if you have been tested.

Heh, fortunately, I'm going to Maryland (landing in Dulles, as my flight to BWI was cancelled, and BA put me on a flight to Dulles instead).
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on March 14, 2022, 08:28:58 AM
Quote from: Attila on March 14, 2022, 05:31:48 AMHandy, super thanks!

Where are people getting the tests done? That's the other thing stressing me out -- searching around online brings up a lot of fly-by-night places locally to me with prices all over the shop, and no guarantee of getting the results quickly (US requires no less than 24 hours). I'm gonna end up having to go to Heathrow the day before, aren't I :(

If you're going to get it done at the airport, which would presumably be a bit more expensive than the going rate, why not book an antigen test for a few hours before your flight? I live in Germany rather than the UK, but when I flew to the USA in January, I got a free quick-test done at one of the many local fly-by-night set-ups the day before for peace of mind, although I could have easily done it at the airport before the flight.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 14, 2022, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: nugget on March 14, 2022, 08:28:58 AMIf you're going to get it done at the airport, which would presumably be a bit more expensive than the going rate, why not book an antigen test for a few hours before your flight? I live in Germany rather than the UK, but when I flew to the USA in January, I got a free quick-test done at one of the many local fly-by-night set-ups the day before for peace of mind, although I could have easily done it at the airport before the flight.

I suspect this is what I'm going to do (and an American colleague, who went through this back in January, was like DO IT) for the peace of mind. It is pretty expensive at Heathrow, but I'd feel better about it -- my flight isn't until 5pm, so I think what I will do is go up and stay somewhere overnight, then go over to T5 early doors the next morning -- you can get a 4-hours one done, so I reckon if I book one in for like 10am, it should give me loads of leeway.

The joys of hanging out in T5 for 7 hours...could be worse, I guess!

Thanks for the responses, all -- I swear this is more stressful than the actual travel.


PS -- A load of pharmacys in London will do fit-to-fly tests for like £39, with results in 30 minutes, but yeah, no idea if they will have stock in, if the one I'm thinking of would still be offering the tests when I need it, etc. I swear, when I went from the UK to Spain back in Sept, I spent a ton of money just on tests and things.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on March 14, 2022, 10:48:43 AM
Quote from: Attila on March 14, 2022, 10:15:47 AMI suspect this is what I'm going to do (and an American colleague, who went through this back in January, was like DO IT) for the peace of mind. It is pretty expensive at Heathrow, but I'd feel better about it -- my flight isn't until 5pm, so I think what I will do is go up and stay somewhere overnight, then go over to T5 early doors the next morning -- you can get a 4-hours one done, so I reckon if I book one in for like 10am, it should give me loads of leeway.

The joys of hanging out in T5 for 7 hours...could be worse, I guess!

Thanks for the responses, all -- I swear this is more stressful than the actual travel.


PS -- A load of pharmacys in London will do fit-to-fly tests for like £39, with results in 30 minutes, but yeah, no idea if they will have stock in, if the one I'm thinking of would still be offering the tests when I need it, etc. I swear, when I went from the UK to Spain back in Sept, I spent a ton of money just on tests and things.

I just checked and Heathrow are offering rapid tests for £35 (https://www.expresstest.co.uk/london-heathrow-airport?utm_source=website&utm_medium=Link%20from%20Heathrow.com&utm_campaign=Heathrow#book) with results within 40 minutes. That still seems kind of dear to me, but from what you've said about the 30-min  'fit to fly' tests offered by London pharmacies (which will be similar antigen/lateral flow tests), it might not be so expensive after all. They recommend booking it for an hour ahead of your planned check-in time. You don't need a PCR test for the USA.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 14, 2022, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: nugget on March 14, 2022, 10:48:43 AMI just checked and Heathrow are offering rapid tests for £35 (https://www.expresstest.co.uk/london-heathrow-airport?utm_source=website&utm_medium=Link%20from%20Heathrow.com&utm_campaign=Heathrow#book) with results within 40 minutes. That still seems kind of dear to me, but from what you've said about the 30-min  'fit to fly' tests offered by London pharmacies (which will be similar antigen/lateral flow tests), it might not be so expensive after all. They recommend booking it for an hour ahead of your planned check-in time. You don't need a PCR test for the USA.

OH! Cheers for that -- that's a real game changer, as I am completely confused about what counts as the acceptable test and what doesn't. (I admit total ignorance of the diff between the PCR test and the 'official' antigen/lateral flow tests)

Believe me, that's cheap -- I was looking at the £119 PCR tests O.O

Thanks for having a looksee, Nugget & beanhead -- that will save me from having to book a hotel and stay over night, too -- just get up there in the morning. Yay!

Sigh -- I travelled so much in the time up to about February 2020, and haven't really been anywhere since. I miss it, but have been stressing out about the paperwork and making sure I have everything that's required for flying and stuff these days. It's reminding me an awful lot of when I had to do all the paperwork and stuff for my immigration visa & citizenship -- one wrong dotted 't' or crossed 'i' and you were at the back of the queue again.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: beanheadmcginty on March 14, 2022, 11:56:33 AM
You also have the alternative option of doing a supervised home test. I've done one and all it involves is some officially assigned person watching you swab yourself over Zoom, then checking the result and if negative they email you the certificate within the hour. This one looks to be the cheapest at £19.25 with a discount code:

https://dochq.co.uk/shop/?customer_discount=CTNHQ30&awc=19181_1647258663_a019e5631fad7035dd40d7aabecde786 (https://dochq.co.uk/shop/?customer_discount=CTNHQ30&awc=19181_1647258663_a019e5631fad7035dd40d7aabecde786)


Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 14, 2022, 12:19:17 PM
Huh -- intriguing. I wonder if that's doable 24/7 (since I have to have the result within 24 hours of my departure).

Would feel a bit weird with someone watching me probe my brain on both sides (I've not done the nose/throat cos I have no tonsils, so I just jam yer stick up each side of my nose.)

The pros there are that it's cheaper, and that I can print off the certificate -- I don't have a smart phone or tablet, and would really prefer hard copies of all my travel docs. Hard copies made a huge difference on the earlier trip to Alicante and back.

Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: nugget on March 14, 2022, 02:35:59 PM
A home test the day before sounds like a good idea. One less thing to worry about on the day of travel, and if it falls through for whatever reason (I don't know... maybe they run out of tests, or something) you still have time to arrange another test. This is why I preferred not to leave it until I was at the airport when I travelled.

By the way, for the USA the test needs to be 'within one day of departure' but the timing doesn't matter. So you could get the test done at, for example, 9am on Friday, and it would still be valid at 5pm on Saturday. It doesn't need to be within 24 hours, like it was for some European countries.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 14, 2022, 05:35:59 PM
Cheers, nugget -- the home test is sounding more and more like a better choice. I'll be able to print out the results, too.

Ah, also good to know about the timing, too.

When I had to do one of the 30 minute tests at a pharmacy in London a couple months back, dude had to watch me prod myself, too, so it's not as if I've not done that before an audience :D
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on March 15, 2022, 03:24:21 PM
Right -- booked in with the test-from-home folks! Accidently put my date of birth as 1865. Oh the laffs we have.
Title: Re: International travel rules announced
Post by: Attila on April 11, 2022, 11:12:24 AM
1/2 way through my online test, annnnd apparently it won't count, because my flight leaves at 5pm, and it's only 11am -- so even though it's a day before, it's not 24 hours before.

I also booked in a test at Heathrow tomorrow ahead of my flight, so I'm not completely muffed up.

My fault, really, for not booking in to this at-home thing in the evening rather than in the morning.

On the plus side, it's a negative test -- so at least I'm not hauling myself all the way up to heathrow not knowing if I'd test neg or positive! I was worried because I had to do a conference this past weekened -- 5 hours each way on trains (pretty much the only one wearing a mask) and no one at the conference bar a few were wearing masks...

Also joy -- they had some of my details wrong at their end...(that oart has been sorted -- the practiioner at the other end has been really nice).