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Title: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 08, 2021, 10:22:01 PM
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1773561.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200b/Slayer%20slider.jpg)

Apparently David de Gea likes Slayer!

Anyway, thought we should move on, though there is a specific Euro 2020 thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,86607.0.html).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 09, 2021, 12:23:21 AM
He also likes Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Steven88 on June 09, 2021, 01:31:55 AM
His favourite Slayer song.
(https://i.imgur.com/0EEHgou.gif)
More like Jesus, Dave saves fuck all in that penalty shootout.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lost Oliver on June 09, 2021, 07:50:59 AM
Balls is this?

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/52B9/production/_118777112_kanetopbody2.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 09, 2021, 08:07:50 AM
Quote from: Lost Oliver on June 09, 2021, 07:50:59 AM
Balls is this?

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/52B9/production/_118777112_kanetopbody2.jpg)

He's just taken his doppelgängers out with classic Kane assault and distract (pointing at some other 'incident' so the ref doesn't spot his blatant red card thuggery)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 09, 2021, 08:15:50 AM
Quote from: Lost Oliver on June 09, 2021, 07:50:59 AM
Balls is this?

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/52B9/production/_118777112_kanetopbody2.jpg)

Is that Hank Scorpio in the middle?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 09, 2021, 08:26:58 AM
I think its meant to be Harry Kane
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 09, 2021, 08:47:27 PM
fonseca to spurs apparently. you can't get much more pathetic than that
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 09, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
Fucking hell. Can't we check if the Zagreb manager is out of prison yet before appointing Fonesca?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 09, 2021, 08:56:47 PM
Wow. 2015 called. Hello-oh?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 09, 2021, 09:31:19 PM
5th place in the league and a Europa League semi final the following year.

Perfect Spurs manager.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on June 09, 2021, 09:43:37 PM
The bloke who was recently replaced by the guy they just fired. Interesting choice!

Xhaka to Roma for 15mil apparently a done deal. SEEYA

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 09, 2021, 09:48:41 PM
sounds like everyone is getting pretty down on a manager who has 26 expected wins per season
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on June 09, 2021, 10:05:19 PM
Fuckin' who? Fonseca sounds like Slovakia's second-largest manufacturer of mobile communications.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 09, 2021, 10:23:06 PM
Brazil midfielder from 1982
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 09, 2021, 10:36:37 PM
(https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/photo/2017/09/11/6da356c9-488a-415b-8047-af9129e68249/1997-11-20T000000Z_1_MT1ACI155038_RTRMADP_3_ENGLAND-SOCCER-TOT.JPG)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 17, 2021, 03:14:20 PM
Mike Parry is mad about Everton's possible new manager:

QuoteIf Rafa Benitez is appointed Everton manager I'm out of there. As a 60 years Evertonian season-ticket holder I will not accept a reject Liverpool manager at Goodison. It's a joke. The legends Bill Shankly and Harry Catterick will be sharing a glass of bemused whisky tonight...

Steve Bruce played both sides three times. Did Newcastle fans ragequit when he joined them because he'd managed Sunderland? Did Villa fans because he'd managed Birmingham? I thought changing your team was the ultimate taboo? Besides, every season Everton fans say they're going to quit supporting us because it's the WORST SEASON EVER. They never do.

PS Martinez is not coming back, it's clickbait. There is no rational reason why he would.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on June 17, 2021, 04:44:43 PM
Thanks to Spurs for making Celtic's managerial recruitment look competent by comparison. As it happens, both clubs are effectively owned by reclusive billionaires and run by deluded egomaniacs. Who cares about a new RB, all I want is professional governance.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 17, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
Rafa's a great manager.
When he's given time he ALWAYS makes teams better.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 17, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 17, 2021, 03:14:20 PM
Mike Parry is mad about Everton's possible new manager:
Obligatory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Cwaf8pyN4)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 17, 2021, 06:14:11 PM
Quote from: lankyguy95 on June 17, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
Obligatory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Cwaf8pyN4)
One nil to the cinnamon, one nil to the cinnamon...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 17, 2021, 07:17:02 PM
Hearing Gattuso to Spurs, we now go over to imitationleather outside the Tottingham Hotspur stadium for a reaction
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 17, 2021, 07:18:34 PM
the same Gattuso that just left Fiorentina because he wasn't happy with their transfer policy?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 17, 2021, 07:27:00 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on June 17, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
Rafa's a great manager.
When he's given time he ALWAYS makes teams better.

Everton don't deserve him.

They deserve Tony Pulis at best.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on June 17, 2021, 07:27:20 PM
Shithouse quotient of the league has just gone up. Ashley Young is back.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Smeraldina Rima on June 17, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
So many footballs it's hard to know if we've already had this tragic dream-like own goal from the Haiti goalie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yUK-UMeaLE
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 17, 2021, 07:33:26 PM
I will walk away from Everton if they appoint Rafa.

Some things are more important than some Eurasian paedophiles wanting to feel like a big man.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 17, 2021, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 17, 2021, 07:17:02 PM
Hearing Gattuso to Spurs, we now go over to imitationleather outside the Tottingham Hotspur stadium for a reaction

Every time I log on to the Spurs forum I look at the news has somehow got even worse.

Crap manager and a massive cunt. I'll accept one, but not both!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 17, 2021, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 17, 2021, 07:17:02 PM
Hearing Gattuso to Spurs, we now go over to imitationleather outside the Tottingham Hotspur stadium for a reaction

They're getting a long way down that wishlist.
Christian Gross will be up next.

Just think, there were some IDIOTS* on here who confidently predicted that they already had the new guy in place when they binned Mourinho.


*me
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 17, 2021, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on June 17, 2021, 07:27:00 PM
Everton don't deserve him.

They deserve Tony Pulis at best.
Yeah, he already ruined one of my teams. I don't want that cunt ruining another one. Of course, if Steve Bruce hadn't left, that would never have happened, so fuck Steve Bruce.

Anyway, he hasn't been confirmed, Everton are still managerless, so placate your mammaries.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on June 17, 2021, 08:13:56 PM
I know he said shit yonks ago while at Liverpool but Benitez would be a great appointment for Everton - the fans should get over themselves. Would love to see him at Celtic.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 17, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
Benitez did a no more than ok job for Newcastle which was concealed by the hilariously low expectations the fans had and he seems to be all about late career pay days now. You might get 2 9th places and some really drab football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 17, 2021, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on June 17, 2021, 08:13:56 PM
I know he said shit yonks ago while at Liverpool but Benitez would be a great appointment for Everton - the fans should get over themselves. Would love to see him at Celtic.
Anything would be better than one of those British Managers' Lunch Club™ twats.

Tbh I wouldn't mind Nuno either. Who knows what's going to happen? There's all sorts of bullshit clickbait about all our ex-managers since Moyes coming back, Koeman aside because that would just be stupid and he's a cunt.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 17, 2021, 09:05:29 PM
Nuno arrives at St. James' with his magpie beard. First game, a 2-0 home defeat to recently promoted Stoke. He leaves the next morning never to return. Beardsley and Carver as interims.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 17, 2021, 09:07:43 PM
Nuno to Spurs makes sense.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 17, 2021, 09:09:27 PM
Will struggle as there aren't a minimum of 11 Portuguese players.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 18, 2021, 08:58:20 AM
Quote from: Blinder Data on June 17, 2021, 08:13:56 PM
I know he said shit yonks ago while at Liverpool but Benitez would be a great appointment for Everton - the fans should get over themselves. Would love to see him at Celtic.

I would love to see Ally McCoist at Celtic.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 18, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
Gattuso talks with Spurs are off now. What a club.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 18, 2021, 10:10:56 AM
It's quite clever. We're getting all the managers to tell us what their plans are during the interview and then we're going to nick them so we can use every single manager's tactics at once. 😎
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 18, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
Pochettino
Fonseca
Gattuso


Mourinho?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 18, 2021, 10:43:57 AM
Howe Löw can they go
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on June 18, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
what the fuck is going on at Spurs
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on June 18, 2021, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on June 18, 2021, 08:58:20 AM
I would love to see Ally McCoist at Celtic.

A better comparison would be Dick Advocaat or Alex McLeish. If either of them weren't so past it and were as qualified as Benitez, I wouldn't be ANGRY about them being considered for Celtic, personally. I'd probably be a rarity among fans, I admit...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gabrielconroy on June 18, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
Do you think it's too late to get old Eric ten Haag in? Or ring up Fonseca and pretend the whole Gattuso diversion was a funny prank to welcome him to the club?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 18, 2021, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 18, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
Pochettino
Fonseca
Gattuso


Mourinho?
Silva? Hughes? Allardyce?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 18, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Spurs just need to go and get Rafa. He'd win them the Europa Conference.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 18, 2021, 06:49:15 PM
Dundalk are continuing to have an interesting time.

So after rumours of the owners interfering in team selection and transfers, they eventually sacked manager Vinny Perth (who managed them to the league championship in 2019) and replaced him with Filippo Giovagnoli, an Italian summer camp coach without the proper coaching badges to manage in continental competition. This forced opposition analyst Shane Keegan, who does have the coaching badges, to pretend to be the manager in Dundalk's Europa League games. Without success, as UEFA easily caught on to the fact that Giovagnoli was calling the shots from the stands and Dundalk were fined. A 're-organisation' of the coaching team saw Jim Magilton arrive as Director of Football, whilst Giovagnoli was re-assigned to the role of first team coach with Keegan as the manager.

Several signings arrived to replace some ageing stalwarts, including Wilfried Zahibo, likely the highest paid player in the league on a reported €4k a week, plus the cost of renting a house for him (at least another €1500 a month) who is so shit he's only played twice, and an Alessio Abibi, an Albanian circus clown who the club mistook for a goalie, and a couple of US college players cos American owners.

Giovagnoli was gone in a month into the season and the following day Keegan resigned. Magilton took over the day to day management of first team for a while. Now they've re-hired Vinny Perth as manager. Apparently against the wishes of Jim Magilton. So he'll be gone from the clown show next.

Dundalk, who won 5 out of 6 Irish League championships between 2014 and 2019 are currently 8th in a 10 team division mostly made up of semi-professional sides.

Decent quality batshittery. Got nothing on Hearts though. 7/10.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 18, 2021, 09:32:11 PM
Don't do it, Levy. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57534556)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 18, 2021, 10:16:05 PM
Just like with Speaker Of The House, wanting the job should rule you out of it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on June 21, 2021, 06:08:28 PM
100m bid for Kate from City apparently.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 21, 2021, 07:24:44 PM
Rafa off due to fan backlash, which is is great.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 21, 2021, 07:31:33 PM
at this point which manager would please the spurs fanbase?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on June 21, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Niko Kranjčar could do a job
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 21, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
Bryan Robson?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on June 21, 2021, 07:48:14 PM
Just sent in my contact details and a copy of my Football Manager 19 savegame. Will settle for £80k pw.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 21, 2021, 09:56:13 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on June 21, 2021, 07:24:44 PM
Rafa off due to fan backlash, which is is great.
Oh great, now we're going to get one of the British Managers' Lunch Club instead. Any news on Nuno?

I mean, our fans would rather us get relegated than have Rafa in charge. FFS.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 21, 2021, 10:10:08 PM
You want the Portuguese lunch club? I hope you get Pardew
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 21, 2021, 10:11:54 PM
How many clubs has Nuno ruined, though? Is he really that terrible?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 21, 2021, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on June 21, 2021, 07:24:44 PM
Rafa off due to fan backlash, which is is great.

Everton fans and that absolute cunt Richard Keys[nb]Who conveniently forgot that he himself suggested Rafa to Everton a couple of years ago.[/nb] blocking the appointment of a good manager and thus fucking their own club over.

I agree it is great.

Quote from: Kankurette on June 21, 2021, 09:56:13 PM
Oh great, now we're going to get one of the British Managers' Lunch Club instead.

Pardew. Oh please let Pardew somehow worm his way in there. He's the worst cos he always starts off well, so he gets a long contract and backing on transfers and then fucks the club completely into the ground for maximum effect.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 21, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 21, 2021, 07:31:33 PM
at this point which manager would please the spurs fanbase?

Would they really be against Rafa? Manager with proven success in Europe and who else is realistically possible for them that is any better?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 21, 2021, 10:59:03 PM
Levy won't appoint Rafa, who has a history of not sucking up to owners and calls them out on their bullshit, but he should.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 21, 2021, 11:03:08 PM
Ah, kopite banter. How I have not missed it.

If we're not going to get him, Spurs should.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 22, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 21, 2021, 10:11:54 PM
How many clubs has Nuno ruined, though? Is he really that terrible?

You just want his hipster sexiness. Emperors new beard.

PARDEW OR BUST
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 22, 2021, 07:56:58 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on June 22, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
You just want his hipster sexiness. Emperors new beard.

PARDEW OR BUST

Would he leave his cushy job in Bulgaria though?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on June 22, 2021, 09:12:33 AM
Rumour has it that Spurs are now set to choose between Nuno and Potter. I'd like to see what Potter could do at a Big Club - his Brighton side have always impressed me in every regard other than actually putting the ball in the net. He'd probably have to do without Kane, but the cash would allow them to get a good replacement in. Then again, the internet is linking them with Danny Ings, who's a good player but is older than Kane and has enormous fitness and consistency "baggage". Isak and Berardi (who's a winger but knows where the net is) are also being floated.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 22, 2021, 09:31:10 AM
Isak looks very good.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on June 22, 2021, 09:35:44 AM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on June 22, 2021, 09:12:33 AM
He'd probably have to do without Kane, but the cash would allow them to get a good replacement in.

The Kane money will have to go straight towards the stadium debt, I doubt there will be much splashing out.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 22, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on June 22, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
You just want his hipster sexiness. Emperors new beard.

PARDEW OR BUST
If I had to bang a Portuguese manager it would be Marco Silva.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on June 22, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
What happened to AVB?

Fake edit: out of work after a stint at Marseille.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 22, 2021, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on June 22, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
What happened to AVB?

Fake edit: out of work after a stint at Marseille.

he's a rally driver these days
https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/videos/fia-world-rally-championship-2021-portugal-andre-villas-boas
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on June 22, 2021, 12:21:03 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 22, 2021, 12:14:56 PM
he's a rally driver these days
https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/videos/fia-world-rally-championship-2021-portugal-andre-villas-boas


Didn't know that! He raced in the Paris-Dakar rally and everything apparently.

I always felt quite favourably predisposed towards him, possibly because he looks a bit like me.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 22, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57566224

Hope that Hungary get bummed by one of those gays they can't stand.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 22, 2021, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on June 22, 2021, 12:21:03 PM
Didn't know that! He raced in the Paris-Dakar rally and everything apparently.

I always felt quite favourably predisposed towards him, possibly because he looks a bit like me.

Are you Drum n Bass forget on a bike guy?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on June 22, 2021, 12:48:35 PM
QuoteUefa says it denied the request because of the "political context".


UEFA supports obesity by advertising coke and beer all over the shop, doesn't that have political context? Why havent they banned teams from taking the knee to support racism? Fucksake I hate these cunts.

The Germans should just do it anyway, what are they gonna do?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 22, 2021, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 22, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57566224

Hope that Hungary get bummed by one of those gays they can't stand.

Its also Pride month, chumps! Completely apolitical reason to light the stadium up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on June 22, 2021, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on June 22, 2021, 12:47:27 PM
Are you Drum n Bass forget on a bike guy?

Busted!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on June 22, 2021, 01:53:46 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on June 22, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
What happened to AVB?

Fake edit: out of work after a stint at Marseille.
Think he was doing okay at Marseille until the entire club started to implode?

Probably the kind of manager who'll get a caretaker job at somewhere massive and it'll rehab his career a bit before it all goes to shit again.



[Edit: Moving Hungary talk to correct thread]
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on June 22, 2021, 01:59:31 PM
Yeah he left Marseille in February because the board were dicking around with transfers. He'd taken them to 2nd the previous season and they were around the European places when he left.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 23, 2021, 01:56:03 PM
Messi is out of contract next week.

Wrexham?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 24, 2021, 05:50:29 AM
Mourinho for Everton any day now lot of ITK saying
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 24, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
Ian Tuncan Kith?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 24, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
ITK R ITK
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on June 24, 2021, 05:50:29 AM
Mourinho for Everton any day now lot of ITK saying
Y tho. He joined Roma not that long ago. Was it The Esk saying this?

Mourinho is the kind of person Liverpool fans want managing us. No thanks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 24, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
I think Bosto's ITK may be the Paddy Power bantz twitter account.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 11:16:56 AM
At this rate we'll get Duncan Ferguson and all the dars will cream themselves.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on June 24, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 11:06:49 AM
Y tho. He joined Roma not that long ago. Was it The Esk saying this?

Mourinho is the kind of person Liverpool fans want managing us. No thanks.

I wouldn't wish Mourinho on any team, to be honest.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 11:16:56 AM
At this rate we'll get Duncan Ferguson and all the dars will cream themselves.

One bluenose I work with has said he wants him. I pointed out that the players wouldn't respond to that sort of old style management and he said "I suppose you're right". I think most of the bluenoses who want Big Dunc just want a manager who will kick the shit out of the players rather than improve them or build a style of play.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on June 24, 2021, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:30:52 PM
One bluenose I work with has said he wants him. I pointed out that the players wouldn't respond to that sort of old style management and he said "I suppose you're right". I think most of the bluenoses who want Big Dunc just want a manager who will kick the shit out of the players rather than improve them or build a style of play.

I like the idea of appointing a manager in a punitive capacity.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 24, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:30:52 PM
One bluenose I work with has said he wants him. I pointed out that the players wouldn't respond to that sort of old style management and he said "I suppose you're right". I think most of the bluenoses who want Big Dunc just want a manager who will kick the shit out of the players rather than improve them or build a style of play.

One hundred percent. Proper fans like me won't be happy until the manager has steamrolled the entire squad - literally. Bone cruncher.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:30:52 PM
One bluenose I work with has said he wants him. I pointed out that the players wouldn't respond to that sort of old style management and he said "I suppose you're right". I think most of the bluenoses who want Big Dunc just want a manager who will kick the shit out of the players rather than improve them or build a style of play.
Duncan Ferguson is assistant manager and so far he hasn't managed to kick the shit out of the squad or terrorise them into playing like Real Madrid. The Duncan Ferguson who exists in the heads of Everton fans and the real Duncan Ferguson are two very different people.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 24, 2021, 02:43:13 PM
Carlo always spiked his Lucozade Sport with benzos. Wait til pre-season. Guy's gonna go off like a flaming cunt.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 24, 2021, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 02:40:14 PM
Duncan Ferguson is assistant manager and so far he hasn't managed to kick the shit out of the squad or terrorise them into playing like Real Madrid. The Duncan Ferguson who exists in the heads of Everton fans and the real Duncan Ferguson are two very different people.

Not to mention that Roy Keane has thoroughly proven that you can't shout crap players into being good anyway.

Chedney is playing panto though, all whilst masturbating to photoshopped pictures of Rafa with a blue tie on, because deep down he knows that Rafa is by a mile the best manager your small club is going to get.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 24, 2021, 02:47:13 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 21, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
Would they really be against Rafa? Manager with proven success in Europe and who else is realistically possible for them that is any better?

Rafa hasn't achieved anything in a decade and seems very much like yesterday's man tactically. He'd also want a big day over transfers when we're meant to have a Director of Football model precisely to prevent us scrabbling around in the dirt every 18 months when a manager fucks off. Basically he'd be a shutter iteration of Ancelotti, without the inherent charm and bonhomie. I'd much rather see someone like Potter - young, hungry, innovative - even if there is no guarantee that would work out.

Also his teams play dogshit football and - this is true for him more than any other person on the planet - I genuinely can't stand looking at his face. No idea why but I've always had a visceral reaction against it. Probably that fucking facial hair.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 24, 2021, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: Bernice on June 24, 2021, 02:47:13 PM
Rafa hasn't achieved anything in a decade
He's achieved more in the last decade than you have since the 80s.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 24, 2021, 02:52:57 PM
I was only born in 92.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: Bernice on June 24, 2021, 02:47:13 PM
Rafa hasn't achieved anything in a decade and seems very much like yesterday's man tactically. He'd also want a big day over transfers when we're meant to have a Director of Football model precisely to prevent us scrabbling around in the dirt every 18 months when a manager fucks off. Basically he'd be a shutter iteration of Ancelotti, without the inherent charm and bonhomie. I'd much rather see someone like Potter - young, hungry, innovative - even if there is no guarantee that would work out.

Also his teams play dogshit football and - this is true for him more than any other person on the planet - I genuinely can't stand looking at his face. No idea why but I've always had a visceral reaction against it. Probably that fucking facial hair.
You beardist, you! I'd be happy with Potter as well but I know most of our fans wouldn't be because ~aCcEpTiNg MeDiOcRiTy~.

A tweet a while back sums up the expectations of Everton fans:
QuoteThis attainable, unicorn manager who's won in leagues we respect enough who's hard-ass but still nice and charming and plays modern football but "gets the club" and hasn't been around long enough to have any flaws who the players will respect and fear and love is out there!

Only one manager exists who fits that description, and he manages Liverpool.

ETA: all WonderfulButternut's opinions on Everton managers are invalid.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 24, 2021, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Bernice on June 24, 2021, 02:52:57 PM
I was only born in 92.
My commiserations.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 24, 2021, 06:14:24 PM
Away goals GORN!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/24/uefa-abolishes-away-goals-rule-in-club-competitions-from-next-season
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 24, 2021, 07:37:39 PM
Boo
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 24, 2021, 07:39:50 PM
meh. can't they just abolish it for extra time?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on June 24, 2021, 09:20:46 PM
Schrodinger's Derby County - simultaneously in the Championship and League 1


Right thread this time.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 24, 2021, 09:41:43 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 24, 2021, 07:39:50 PM
meh. can't they just abolish it for extra time?

Exactly. That was the problem bit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 24, 2021, 10:37:54 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 24, 2021, 09:20:46 PM
Schrodinger's Derby County - simultaneously in the Championship and League 1


Right thread this time.
Schrodinger's Ram.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 24, 2021, 10:43:27 PM
Favre's suddenly rejected the Palace job. Apparently wants to take a longer break.

Nobody wants a job.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on June 24, 2021, 11:50:34 PM
Apparently Arsenal are about to spend 50 million quid on Brighton defender Ben White. Seems like a good exciting young english prospect but central defence isn't really where Arsenal need to strengthen.

This either means a) there's more money to spend, so we can afford this sort of thing or b) we're foolishly spunking our WARCHEST on an unnecessary position

It's still mental that 50 mill is like a normal transfer fee now. I suppose slabhead cost Utd 80mill and that was years ago.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 25, 2021, 08:12:42 AM
Quote from: lankyguy95 on June 24, 2021, 10:43:27 PM
Favre's suddenly rejected the Palace job. Apparently wants to take a longer break.

Nobody wants a job.

Bloody foreigners, not coming over here and not stealing our jobs. I don't think I've ever seen so many managers reject so many jobs before or have negotiations "break down".

Favre to Palace
Santo to Everton
Santo to Palace
Fonseca to Spurs
Conte to Spurs
Gattuso to Spurs
Benitez to Everton
Klinsmann to Spurs
Pochettino to Spurs
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 25, 2021, 08:16:25 AM
I can understand not wanting to manage the eternal disappointment that is Everton but surely Spurs have some draw?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 25, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 25, 2021, 08:16:25 AM
I can understand not wanting to manage the eternal disappointment that is Everton but surely Spurs have some draw?

yeah it's near a few very good delis
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on June 25, 2021, 08:38:40 AM
Really good choice of Kebab shops along Wood Green high street as well, the rest of it's awful but Kebabs are banging.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 25, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 25, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
yeah it's near a few very good delis
Alli hasn't been very good for a while though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 25, 2021, 10:57:28 AM
New season will be:

Pulis @ Everton
Allardyce @ Palace
Pardew @ Spurs
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 25, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on June 25, 2021, 10:57:28 AM
New season will be:

Pulis @ Everton
Allardyce @ Palace
Pardew @ Spurs

Please! Hodgson at Newcastle, McClaren at United, Bruce at Brentford, Bryan Robson at Guangzhou
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 25, 2021, 07:31:51 PM
panto my fuck cunt

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on June 26, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
Benitez at Everton.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1408754481228042241
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 26, 2021, 02:03:39 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/5elx7b.jpg)

As seen: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4HayiCWQAgqOYp.jpg
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on June 26, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
Unsure if Rafa will do well at Everton but hope he does well.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on June 26, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on June 26, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
Unsure if Rafa will do well at Everton but hope he does well.

Hope he spends £200m and takes them down
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 26, 2021, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: Chollis on June 26, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Hope he spends £200m and takes them down

Wouldn't that be a pretty low amount for Everton to spend during a summer?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 26, 2021, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on June 26, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
Unsure if Rafa will do well at Everton but hope he does well.

If they clear out the lazy bone-idle bastards, like Sigurdsson, Iwobi[nb]£40m. lol[/nb] and "Hamez" and replace them with players who occasionally give a shit, he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 26, 2021, 04:16:53 PM
i, for one, welcome our chunky new Spanish overlord. Has he actually been confirmed though?
Quote from: Chollis on June 26, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Hope he spends £200m and takes them down
You mean, like we do every summer?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 04:18:12 PM
Bets on them only referring to him as "the former Real Madrid manager" in the announcement article on the Everton website.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 26, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
Everton, the new slobhouse for semi-retired mercenary European managers.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 26, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
It's great that I can now add Everton to the list of teams I want to see lose, their fans get upset and their players get injured. I complete my collection 😂😂😂. True Neutral.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 26, 2021, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on June 26, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
It's great that I can now add Everton to the list of teams I want to see lose, their fans get upset and their players get injured. I complete my collection 😂😂😂. True Neutral.
You're in luck btw, it's already happened. Lucas Digne. All we need is for Richarlison to die of COVID.

Being serious, I can't be arsed hating Rafa over something he said ages ago. Mourinho slagged Spurs off way back when and ended up managing them. I know the logical thing to do would be to change teams but nah.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
He's a bluenose.

The situation with Mourinho and Spurs is different. Bluenoses hounded one manager for having red on his Christmas tree.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 26, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
I remember that. I'm not sure if it was a joke or not but Everton Twitter is weird. Like the guy who cornered Silva in a restaurant and took a selfie with him and posted it on Twitter after he got sacked. I'm sure they'll all be crying into their Duncan Ferguson hugpillows.

Oddly none of the blues I know in real life are upset about Benitez.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 26, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
I was sad to see Amadou "20 goals" Bakayoko leave Coventry, but glad to see he's got a new club with Bolton. A fantastic guy, and along with Max Biamou, a modern day cult hero for the Sky Blues.

Weird the way that these slightly below average footballers worm their way into your affections, isn't it?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 27, 2021, 12:15:36 AM
I always had a soft spot for Atdhe Nuhiu. I miss his big friendly face.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 27, 2021, 12:23:26 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 27, 2021, 12:15:36 AM
I always had a soft spot for Atdhe Nuhiu. I miss his big friendly face.

Had to Google him. 40 goals in 242 games is some going for a centre forward.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 27, 2021, 12:28:44 AM
Admittedly he was no David Hirst.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on June 27, 2021, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
He's a bluenose.

The situation with Mourinho and Spurs is different. Bluenoses hounded one manager for having red on his Christmas tree.

Isn't bluenose commonly used to refer to Birmingham City or Glasgow Rangers. Never hear it about the Toffees outside of here.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 27, 2021, 10:45:18 AM
It's common in Liverpool
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 27, 2021, 03:31:23 PM
Yep. In my experience it either means an Everton fan or a Birmingham City fan, although the term used for us more commonly is 'bitters'. (Wednesday fans are 'pigs', which is bullshit because everyone knows that it is Sheffield United who are the real pigs.)

Speaking of derogatory names for fans, I found out a while back that 'rag' is a nickname for Man United fans. I was disappointed to learn that 'rag' is not a reference to their kits looking like they were covered in period blood.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on June 27, 2021, 07:56:25 PM
Quote from: Mobius on June 24, 2021, 11:50:34 PM
It's still mental that 50 mill is like a normal transfer fee now. I suppose slabhead cost Utd 80mill and that was years ago.
It's slowly transferring to players on the top level just sitting out their contracts and getting some (not all) of what would be the transfer fee added to their wages, isn't it?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 27, 2021, 10:56:06 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 26, 2021, 05:53:15 PM
I know the logical thing to do would be to change teams

What?!?!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 12:07:21 AM
I was being somewhat sarcastic when I wrote that. There are Everton fans who have threatened to stop supporting Everton altogether if Rafa manages us, like that douche off Talksport. Every season when a bad thing happens you always get cranks who say they've been a blue since Catterick was in charge, they have a season ticket, yada yada but they're never going to watch Everton again, this is the last straw.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 28, 2021, 07:17:34 AM
A bit like Newcastle fans
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 28, 2021, 08:35:18 AM
"We don't want him as our manager because he's been successful elsewhere."
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 28, 2021, 08:47:42 AM
Just like Spurs with Chelsea, I expect Everton will only employ former Liverpool managers from now on.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on June 28, 2021, 08:35:18 AM
"We don't want him as our manager because he's been successful elsewhere."
It's not that, it's because he managed our rivals. And because he called Everton a small club once. Him managing us would be the absolute nadir of Everton's career and it would be far better for us to get relegated under Duncan Ferguson than it would be to stay up with Rafa (no, I do not think this).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 28, 2021, 10:07:31 AM
fans' obsession with the small club/big club thing is proper unintentional Father Dougal shit
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on June 28, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
But there MUST be another manager out there who can do what the club needs whilst not being so closely associated with our most hated rivals. Even saying his name conjures images of Liverpool being successful and their fans still love him... It's too much to take, another humiliation for our fanbase to endure.

This is Moshiri's version of joining the European Super League... he wasn't invited to that little shitshow but is adamant on doing something massive against the fans wishes.

As kankurette suggests, its probably not all fans who feel like this, but I'm having a strong visceral reaction against this appointment. It's silly, it's just a game I know, but still...

Like isn't it enough that the fans don't want it to happen? Don't they count for anything anymore?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on June 28, 2021, 10:23:43 AM
Everton could win the Champions League 2-1 and their fans would complain about not keeping a clean sheet.

And then report Gary Neville to the police for looking at them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 28, 2021, 10:46:43 AM
The bluenose who put up a threatening banner near where Rafa and his family live has done a good job in getting a decent number of bluenoses in backing Rafa as manager.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 28, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 09:47:45 AM
It's not that, it's because he managed our rivals. And because he called Everton a small club once. Him managing us would be the absolute nadir of Everton's career and it would be far better for us to get relegated under Duncan Ferguson than it would be to stay up with Rafa (no, I do not think this).

He said "small" because he was still learning English and meant "teams lower down the league", which Everton were.
Although Everton fans still using that as a stick to beat him with 15 years later suggests he may have been right...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 28, 2021, 11:18:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E49CxyfXMAEnYc1?format=jpg&name=small)

perspective, yesterday
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 28, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 28, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
People's club etc.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on June 28, 2021, 11:41:43 AM

#MOSHIRI_OUT
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 28, 2021, 11:45:17 AM
If they were going to do it, Everton should have got it done last week. The longer it went on, the more the flames were going to be stoked.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 28, 2021, 11:18:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E49CxyfXMAEnYc1?format=jpg&name=small)

perspective, yesterday
This is exactly why I haven't missed football. I hate our fans sometimes, I really do. There's also banners outside Goodison calling Rafa a fat kopite cunt. It just makes me want to detach myself from it all. I love the game itself but I hate how it brings out the worst side of some people.

Lankyguy, Everton take forever to do fucking anything. Koeman being a case in point, although part of that was because he was on holiday at the time.
Quote from: Ted-Maul on June 28, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
But there MUST be another manager out there who can do what the club needs whilst not being so closely associated with our most hated rivals. Even saying his name conjures images of Liverpool being successful and their fans still love him... It's too much to take, another humiliation for our fanbase to endure.

This is Moshiri's version of joining the European Super League... he wasn't invited to that little shitshow but is adamant on doing something massive against the fans wishes.

As kankurette suggests, its probably not all fans who feel like this, but I'm having a strong visceral reaction against this appointment. It's silly, it's just a game I know, but still...

Like isn't it enough that the fans don't want it to happen? Don't they count for anything anymore?
And if Rafa turns out to be a success? Or would you rather we got some useless old British fart like Pulis or Hughes?

The cranks don't speak for me or other blues I know. I don't care if that means we're not real fans, I'm quite happy to just become a full-time Wednesdayite if not thinking Rafa is the WORST THING EVER means I'm not a Real Evertonian. I mean, Steve Bruce managed the pigs but I didn't feel the need to leave a threatening banner outside his house.

Spoiler alert
Also, this reminds me of when I was plotting to kill Roberto Martinez. It's close to home.
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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 28, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
given they know how thick football fans can be, why didn't they just find someone that hasn't managed their biggest rival?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 12:47:53 PM
In fairness, who'd WANT to manage Everton? We're not a big draw. We're not glamourous like Liverpool or Man United or, hell, even Spurs. Oh big deal, so the salary will be good but like this bunch of twats will win anything. Also the entire squad are made of twigs.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 28, 2021, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 28, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
given they know how thick football fans can be, why didn't they just find someone that hasn't managed their biggest rival?

Cos Rafa is a better manager than anyone else interested?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 28, 2021, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 28, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
given they know how thick football fans can be, why didn't they just find someone that hasn't managed their biggest rival?
Probably true. My guess though is they interviewed him and he just came across very impressively. Whatever people's opinions of him, he's well known for being a pretty outstanding coach - even players who haven't got on with him or found him 'cold' will admit that he's a very good on the training pitch and in his tactical preparation for games. It wouldn't surprise me if he stood out so well in talks that they decided to press ahead regardless.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on June 28, 2021, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 28, 2021, 11:18:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E49CxyfXMAEnYc1?format=jpg&name=small)

perspective, yesterday

Quote@AHunterGuardian
Merseyside Police confirm they are investigating a threatening banner that they believe was directed towards Rafael Benitez but left outside the wrong house in Caldy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on June 28, 2021, 02:20:57 PM
Why do they think it was aimed at Rafa? It was clearly aimed at Dont Sign.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 28, 2021, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Z on June 28, 2021, 02:20:57 PM
Why do they think it was aimed at Rafa? It was clearly aimed at Dont Sign.

Maybe it was aimed at one of Rafa's neighbours, Don Tsign.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on June 28, 2021, 02:42:37 PM
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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM
Rafa official

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1410240970264920070?s=20
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 30, 2021, 03:32:31 PM
You know what, I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 04:06:02 PM
This is a thing that happened. Still can't quite get over seeing Rafa with an Everton scarf.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 30, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Good luck to him.

Apart from during the matches, obviously.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: dr beat on June 30, 2021, 04:24:50 PM
Yes as a Red I wish him good luck, except for the derbies.

This may have a lot to do with Rafa being very settled in the area.  He's often been seen out and about round the Wirral.  My family once ended up sitting next to him in the Toby Carvery in West Kirby.  I was told by someone who knows the area said eatery is very much where he does business (honestly not joking).  Apparently it was here where the deal to bring back Robbie Fowler to Anfield in 2006 was struck.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on June 30, 2021, 05:13:07 PM
I hope he either fails completely, gets a nice payoff and leaves The Ev in the relegation zone. Or he is successful enough to be poached by a big club.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 06:40:46 PM
Why do you care? You've got Klopp and he's a genius. I'm assuming you're a kopite because only kopites call us 'the Ev'.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 30, 2021, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 06:40:46 PM
Why do you care? You've got Klopp and he's a genius.

nah he's HEAD GONE now.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 30, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Ted-Maul on June 28, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
But there MUST be another manager out there who can do what the club needs whilst not being so closely associated with our most hated rivals. Even saying his name conjures images of Liverpool being successful and their fans still love him... It's too much to take, another humiliation for our fanbase to endure.

This is Moshiri's version of joining the European Super League... he wasn't invited to that little shitshow but is adamant on doing something massive against the fans wishes.

As kankurette suggests, its probably not all fans who feel like this, but I'm having a strong visceral reaction against this appointment. It's silly, it's just a game I know, but still...

Like isn't it enough that the fans don't want it to happen? Don't they count for anything anymore?

You won't be saying that when he takes you into the Europa Conference next year
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 06:48:15 PM
Every manager deserves a chance.

I'm glad I'm not on social media much these days though. I've had enough bad encounters with Liverpool fans online. Twitter will be hell.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 30, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
Quote from: Chollis on June 28, 2021, 02:09:08 PM
Caldy

So they signed him because he lives in the area
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on June 30, 2021, 08:28:29 PM
Sanch </dean learner voice> to United is GO
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 08:39:22 PM
I'm surprised it took United this long, they've been batting their eyelashes at him for ages.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 30, 2021, 08:50:06 PM
Nuno confirmed at Spurs.
Must be nice for him to know he was their first choice.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 08:51:40 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on June 28, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
He said "small" because he was still learning English and meant "teams lower down the league", which Everton were.
Although Everton fans still using that as a stick to beat him with 15 years later suggests he may have been right...

Lets have it right---

"Benítez first referred to Moyes' club as being smaller in his pre-match briefing last week, then repeated it in television, radio and other interviews in the wake of Saturday's infuriating stalemate. He is canny enough to realise the weight his words carry and, when put in that context, his comments appeared nothing but inflammatory, even if the spark of debate was appreciated after the mishmash served up on the pitch."


He`s a fat toxic mess who shouldn`t be anywhere near Everton---I hope the Max & Paddy-headed twat is run out of town and he has to sell his beloved Wirral home.



Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 30, 2021, 08:56:32 PM
Nah he's just a fat dull but competent timeserver who nearly every Everton fan will have got used to managing them after about 3 games.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on June 30, 2021, 09:12:23 PM
Nuno IN at Spuds.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on June 30, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
And there will be some money to buy Portuguese players with our new stadium sponsorship deal. Yes, welcome to the Nandos Arena!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on June 30, 2021, 09:19:18 PM
Ronalado he score second (half)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on June 30, 2021, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Z on June 30, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
And there will be some money to buy Portuguese players with our new stadium sponsorship deal. Yes, welcome to the Nandos Arena!

Nandos is South African. HOW MANY TIMES?????
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 30, 2021, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on June 30, 2021, 08:50:06 PM
Nuno confirmed at Spurs.
Must be nice for him to know he was their first choice.

BEARD
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 30, 2021, 09:43:40 PM
Hope Daniel Levy adopts the same beard.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on June 30, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Z on June 30, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
And there will be some money to buy Portuguese players with our new stadium sponsorship deal. Yes, welcome to the Nandos Arena!

they should go after Pedro Neto, he looks dead good
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on June 30, 2021, 09:50:27 PM
A manager with a beard? Now I really have seen it all!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 30, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Quote from: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 08:51:40 PM
Lets have it right---

"Benítez first referred to Moyes' club as being smaller in his pre-match briefing last week, then repeated it in television, radio and other interviews in the wake of Saturday's infuriating stalemate. He is canny enough to realise the weight his words carry and, when put in that context, his comments appeared nothing but inflammatory, even if the spark of debate was appreciated after the mishmash served up on the pitch."

Looks like you've quoted an opinion, but failed to mention whose.

They are a smaller club though...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 30, 2021, 09:59:58 PM
Nandos is South African, racist
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on June 30, 2021, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 30, 2021, 09:36:19 PM
Nandos is South African. HOW MANY TIMES?????

Qualified for Portugal thanks to his grandmother
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 30, 2021, 10:12:22 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 30, 2021, 08:56:32 PM
Nah he's just a fat dull but competent timeserver who nearly every Everton fan will have got used to managing them after about 3 games.

Yeah, exactly. Which is precisely why I didn't want him, and also precisely why I already don't care
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on June 30, 2021, 10:14:25 PM
Quote from: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 08:51:40 PM
He`s a fat toxic mess who shouldn`t be anywhere near Everton---I hope the Max & Paddy-headed twat is run out of town and he has to sell his beloved Wirral home.

Hope that man, who wants to try and help your shithouse small club become something other than shithouse and small, has his personal life ruined because of who he managed 11 years ago and stuff he said 15 years ago.

Why are Everton fans referred to as bitter again? Someone remind me, I forget.

Pray tell, sir, what will you do if he ends up being successful? Still hope he's run out of town? Or just pretend you never posted this?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on June 30, 2021, 10:21:47 PM
Thank God you're here to pompously take hyperbole at face value in a football thread on CaB. Pray tell, sir! Alack! Forsooth and so on.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on June 30, 2021, 10:14:25 PM
Hope that man, who wants to try and help your shithouse small club become something other than shithouse and small, has his personal life ruined because of who he managed 11 years ago and stuff he said 15 years ago.

Why are Everton fans referred to as bitter again? Someone remind me, I forget.

Pray tell, sir, what will you do if he ends up being successful? Still hope he's run out of town? Or just pretend you never posted this?

How long has Boris Johnson been posting on here?


Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on June 30, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Looks like you've quoted an opinion, but failed to mention whose.

They are a smaller club though...

Ees fax as someone once said.

Spanglish??  ODFO...not like a Kopite to be revisionist...oh look...heres another one...seems Benitez wasnt so great after all...

https://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/everton-are-weighing-up-a-move-for-rafa-benitez-but-their-fans-would-never-accept-it-40558032.html
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on June 30, 2021, 10:59:19 PM
I just asked who said what you quoted.

You didn't lose a bedsheet the other day by any chance, did you?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on June 30, 2021, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 10:32:36 PM
Ees fax as someone once said.

Spanglish??  ODFO...not like a Kopite to be revisionist...oh look...heres another one...seems Benitez wasnt so great after all...

https://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/everton-are-weighing-up-a-move-for-rafa-benitez-but-their-fans-would-never-accept-it-40558032.html
Almost everything in this is complete nonsense by the way. Aldridge is a bitter old man who was even snide about Kenny Dalglish. People don't take him seriously.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on June 30, 2021, 11:20:27 PM
He will obviously have known before signing what the fans reaction was going to be like and has taken the job anyway. Maybe that shows a strong determination to succeed and win the fans over in the face of adversity. Maybe he's another Allardyce taking our Mr. Moneybags to the cleaners as he knows he'll never be accepted, doesn't give two shits about the club anyway and will be happily counting down the days until he's sacked.

As things stand, I honestly don't know which is more likely but I wish I didn't have to find out.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 30, 2021, 08:56:32 PM
Nah he's just a fat dull but competent timeserver who nearly every Everton fan will have got used to managing them after about 3 games.
So basically like Moyes, but chunkier and Spanisher.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on June 30, 2021, 11:43:13 PM
I really, really fucking hate being called bitter and this kind of shit is exactly why I don't like being around Liverpool fans. Online or in real life. I've had years of shit off them, including one who was downright fucking evil over it. I'm not some kind of subhuman just because I support a football team.

Rafa deserves as much of a chance as anyone else.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 01, 2021, 11:34:50 AM
Messi is no longer a Barcelona player!

Mike Ashley ponders offering him £500 a week IN CASH to join the Toon.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 01, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5MJ3kMWQAIiawB?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 01, 2021, 12:37:02 PM
"Can I just shock you? Football isn't blue, despite what I said earlier."
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thehungerartist on July 01, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
Benitez left Liverpool ELEVEN years ago, and when he did our fanbase was pretty split as to whether his time was up. Some whispers even emerged that he actively sought constructive dismissal as he suspected the club's prospects were bleak and was due a nice fat payoff. He's a professional whose career highs overlapped with his time working at LFC, and his wife happens to enjoy living in the area. He's no Liverpool supporter.

All this Evertonian rage is amusing but weirdly misplaced; leeches like Kenwright and Marcel Brands have done far more damage to that club than Rafa ever did.

Quote from: Blofelds Cat on June 30, 2021, 10:32:36 PM
Ees fax as someone once said.

Spanglish??  ODFO...not like a Kopite to be revisionist...oh look...heres another one...seems Benitez wasnt so great after all...

https://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/everton-are-weighing-up-a-move-for-rafa-benitez-but-their-fans-would-never-accept-it-40558032.html

Christ, what a cunt.

As for John Aldridge - his bitterness is renowned on Merseyside, so you'll have to do better than that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 01, 2021, 03:10:55 PM
Not sure why Kenwright or Brands are leeches.

The Benítez appointment is what it is. A strangely divisive decision by a spoilt owner desperate to make his toy car go vroom, a man who thinks that his ill-gotten wealth qualifies him to make decisions on... well, basically anything, really. He is rich, therefore he is a winner, therefore he knows what it takes to win in any given sphere. Fine. At a certain point you have to accept that top-level football is run by bored billionaires for their own amusement.

The Evertonian outcry, which is real even if it's extent is overstated, is a product of frustration and wounded pride. All anyone wants, as a football fan, is to have something to believe in, to feel yourself part of the collective protagonism in a story in which you get to win, or at the very least fight with dignity. But for that to function well you need to be able to project onto the club some quality you possess and are proud of, or some virtue you would like more of. In Everton you can only really see a basket case to rival your own confusing, disappointed life: five managers in five years, minimal on-pitch identity, players passing through without connecting, 26 years without silverware. Spending too much to be an underdog, performing too poorly to be one of the big boys.

Into that you throw, casually, one more insult: the appointment of a man whose greatest achievements were won long ago with your rivals. Rivals who get to win things and fight with dignity while you flounder in mid-table apathy. The punchlines write themselves. You are losers.

Ultimately the whole enterprise becomes stripped of the necessary illusion and all you see is the naked fact of it: this thing you love, like everything else in this world, is the plaything of a man who makes more in a year than you and everyone you know will make in a lifetime.

Most Evertonians, myself included, will swallow this latest indignity because blind hope and maybe ifs are the fuel the whole machinery of illusion runs on, and we want the illusion to work. And maybe Benítez will be good, and Everton will be good, and we'll all get to feel good, just for a little bit.

But, weird threats aside, it's hard to chastise people too much for overblown and ridiculous reactions to this sense of spiralling dejection. Irrational responses to trivial shit are the lifeblood of football support.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 01, 2021, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: Bernice on July 01, 2021, 03:10:55 PM
Ultimately the whole enterprise becomes stripped of the necessary illusion and all you see is the naked fact of it: this thing you love, like everything else in this world, is the plaything of a man who makes more in a year than you and everyone you know will make in a lifetime.

Christ, I've just realised Everton are the sporting equivalent of Star Trek. More money than ever thrown at it all in the service of talentless charlatans and a pathetic desperation to emulate their successful peers without understanding what made them good.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blofelds Cat on July 01, 2021, 04:13:23 PM
Quote from: thehungerartist on July 01, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
Benitez left Liverpool ELEVEN years ago, and when he did our fanbase was pretty split as to whether his time was up. Some whispers even emerged that he actively sought constructive dismissal as he suspected the club's prospects were bleak and was due a nice fat payoff. He's a professional whose career highs overlapped with his time working at LFC, and his wife happens to enjoy living in the area. He's no Liverpool supporter.

All this Evertonian rage is amusing but weirdly misplaced; leeches like Kenwright and Marcel Brands have done far more damage to that club than Rafa ever did.

Christ, what a cunt.

As for John Aldridge - his bitterness is renowned on Merseyside, so you'll have to do better than that.

You`re like a demented gibbon smearing schite everywhere and over yourself--just made a post in accord with the Aldridge article while attempting to have a go at me for pointing out  Kopites are the masters of revisionism...

I`d call you a cunt but you appear to be making a sterling effort all by yourself...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 01, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
did not see thread title becoming so prescient
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 01, 2021, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 01, 2021, 03:30:25 PM
Christ, I've just realised Everton are the sporting equivalent of Star Trek. More money than ever thrown at it all in the service of talentless charlatans and a pathetic desperation to emulate their successful peers without understanding what made them good.

Can't knock the Star Trek critique
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 01, 2021, 09:26:17 PM
Arsenal to sign bloke who kisses dogs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU_Mj91K_1s
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 01, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
did not know

i. Scotty Pawkah had left Fulham
ii. Scotty Pawkah had joined Bournemouth
iii. Marco Silva had joined Fulham
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 01, 2021, 10:52:35 PM
I'd missed that too - why did Parker leave? Looked like a bright manager. Got a lot of fondness for Marco, quite look forward to seeing what he can do there. Could never quite fathom Fulham last year, like Brighton they were a side that looked reallybright and fun whenever I watched them, but could never seem to win a game. Still fancy either of them to make a run for the Europa places this coming season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 01, 2021, 10:53:09 PM
Maybe now that Marco has a job, Greg O'Keefe will stop obsessing over him. I always liked him, hope he does well. And doesn't steal Richarlison off us.

Re identity: what even is identity? It's another of those words football fans use a lot that I don't get. What does it even mean? How does a club have an identity? Is it like when Man United had a reputation of being a bunch of ruthless godmoding bastards?

I also don't have any pride regarding Everton, apart from being proud of the good work EITC does. I'm well aware that I'm not a rational person either, tbf.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 02, 2021, 10:07:32 AM
identity is the new philosophy (and the two, in sport-speak, are interchangeable). it's the hope that attractive on-field tactics and results can be subsequently parlayed into the soft power of the club. no one gives a shit about the philosophy of Oldham Athletic or Burton.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 02, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 02, 2021, 10:07:32 AM
no one gives a shit about the philosophy of Oldham Athletic or Burton.

i'm doing my masters on that mate
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on July 02, 2021, 10:09:56 AM
Marco Silva has always struck me as a Poch from a shop that does factory seconds.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 02, 2021, 10:14:39 AM
He looks a lot like Colin Farell but it's really hard to put your finger on what makes Farell beautiful and Silva a normal-looking man.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 02, 2021, 10:36:35 AM
I have a massive crush on Silva. I think it's those big sad eyes. It's rare Everton get a hot manager, though Rafa was quite handsome when he was younger.

'Philosophy' just makes me think of Louis van Gaal.

ETA: just did a GIS of Farrell and he looks like a cross between Silva and Eric Cantona, with Martinez's huge eyebrows.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on July 02, 2021, 11:31:58 AM
In a press release titled 'The Will to Football', new Wrexham manager Phil Parkinson outlays his Nietzschean approach for the club.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 02, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
he"ll personally give syphilis to all the players
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on July 02, 2021, 11:40:14 AM
A lot of football management is just flogging a dead horse at this point.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 02, 2021, 11:51:44 AM
Most ideas of 'identity' are essentially the same. Maybe you need that feeling of particularity but most of the time a club wants to emphasise identity, there's very little separating it from anyone else.

Every time Gary Neville speaks about the Man United football identity it seems to amount to nothing more than wingers, which is not an identity.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 02, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: lankyguy95 on July 02, 2021, 11:51:44 AMEvery time Gary Neville speaks about the Man United football identity it seems to amount to nothing more than wingers, which is not an identity.
And also that United have rarely played with out-and-out wingers for about 15 years now - like most teams these days, we tend to go with the front three. Wingplay seems to be a bit of a dying art these days - Dan James is in that ilk but is lacking just a few aspects to be a top class player.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 02, 2021, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: lankyguy95 on July 02, 2021, 11:51:44 AM
Most ideas of 'identity' are essentially the same. Maybe you need that feeling of particularity but most of the time a club wants to emphasise identity, there's very little separating it from anyone else.

Could say the same of people, to be fair. I don't think an identity needs to be unique to be real, it just needs a degree of internal consistency.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 02, 2021, 04:36:08 PM
Who's manager of Watford today?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 02, 2021, 06:24:57 PM
Some Spanish guy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 02, 2021, 06:52:30 PM
YES! WE'RE STAYING UP! FUCK YOU WYCOMBE!

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/july/efl-statement-derby-county-sanction/
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 02, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on July 02, 2021, 06:52:30 PM
YES! WE'RE STAYING UP! FUCK YOU WYCOMBE!

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/july/efl-statement-derby-county-sanction/

A sad day for law abiding clubs
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 02, 2021, 07:01:55 PM
Like there are any law abiding clubs. You are so naive, BlodwynPig.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on July 02, 2021, 07:03:39 PM
Derby County ae a bigger club than Wycombe Wanderers so this is entirely correct and always will in all cases.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 02, 2021, 07:13:32 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 02, 2021, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on July 02, 2021, 07:01:55 PM
Like there are any law abiding clubs. You are so naive, BlodwynPig.

Fair point. But only one non-law abiding managed by King Roon.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 02, 2021, 08:14:05 PM
Derby have like 11 players left. They couldn't even keep Ibe. They will struggle to escape relegation this season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 02, 2021, 08:27:51 PM
We have star of Euro 2021 David Marshall.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 02, 2021, 09:13:01 PM
Has Andre Wisdom come back after being literally stabbed in the bum?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 02, 2021, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: jobotic on July 02, 2021, 07:03:39 PM
Derby County ae a bigger club than Wycombe Wanderers so this is entirely correct and always will in all cases.
This is true. When were Wycombe ever in the PL?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 03, 2021, 07:13:25 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 02, 2021, 10:19:34 PM
This is true. When were Wycombe ever in the PL?

1939 - 1945
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 03, 2021, 08:42:08 AM
'Two World Wars and One Wycombe, Doo-dah'
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on July 03, 2021, 09:22:48 AM
One of the funniest things I can remember from recent Alty history is when we lost 5-0 to Boston and the gaffer gave lectures afterwards about the need to adhere to the philosophy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 03, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 03, 2021, 07:13:25 AM
1939 - 1945
I said Premier League, not First Division.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 03, 2021, 11:28:29 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 03, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
I said Premier League, not First Division.

1914-1918
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 03, 2021, 12:00:40 PM
Feeling so tense about the big game today. Winner takes it all, loser has to fall. Reputations made and destroyed in 90 minutes. Kidsgrove Athletic v Port Vale. 3pm.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on July 03, 2021, 01:31:36 PM
My non-league team (city of liverpool) are in the same division as Kidsgrove this season, I might brave a trip down there. I'm assuming they're a friendly bunch with nothing but respect for fans of visiting clubs? Also want to go to Newcastle Town to watch a game take place inside a velodrome!

Today, to celebrate the end of a ten day covid isolation, I was supposed to be going to watch us play at Euxton Villa (£2 entry) but my dog ate some raisins so I had to take him the vets instead. Now I'm £200 in the hole with a carpet full of activated charcoal.

Whoever said this thread's title was becoming reality wasn't wrong.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: drummersaredeaf on July 03, 2021, 04:37:52 PM
Newcastle Town is quite a nice matchday experience. The velodrome provides a nice rail for you to lean against with your slightly off warm Fosters.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on July 04, 2021, 12:21:02 PM
Ffs missed Chats v Gills yesterday. Couldn't have gone because daughter is isolating but even so.

3-2 for those wondering.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 05, 2021, 09:38:08 AM
Patrick Vieira in charge of Crystal Palace. So that's the 21-22 managers sorted.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 05, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
The sack race starts NOW!

My money is on whoever Watford's manager is.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 05, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
Alexis Sanchez's dad, aka Xisco. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xisco_(footballer,_born_1980))
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 05, 2021, 10:19:12 AM
"Thong th-thong, thong, thong"

Love it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 05, 2021, 12:17:49 PM
My prediction is that Vieira has a terrible start and gets sackwd quickly like De Boer.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 05, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 05, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
The sack race starts NOW!

My money is on whoever Watford's manager is.

Well, if you include beyond the Premier League, Swindon have already lost their manager after a few weeks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 05, 2021, 02:08:30 PM
Vieira's a nice guy but he's a mediocre coach
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 05, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 05, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
Well, if you include beyond the Premier League, Swindon have already lost their manager after a few weeks.

the fuck is happening at Swindon? we lost Sheridan to you (and I was DELIGHTED, we were in the shit) early last season and you went down and we stayed up. I like Swindon as it goes so I wasn't pleased. I also see you had a player leave the club after one day because he can't relocate from Reading to Swindon (same train line/M4 right?, sounds bollocks).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 05, 2021, 07:22:17 PM
What's Vieira's track record like?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 05, 2021, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 05, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
the fuck is happening at Swindon? we lost Sheridan to you (and I was DELIGHTED, we were in the shit) early last season and you went down and we stayed up. I like Swindon as it goes so I wasn't pleased. I also see you had a player leave the club after one day because he can't relocate from Reading to Swindon (same train line/M4 right?, sounds bollocks).

Monk is a Coventry supporter, or Port Vale, I always get mixed up with HZJ.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 05, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 05, 2021, 07:22:17 PM
What's Vieira's track record like?

2 x top half finishes in Ligue 1 with Nice, was meant to be good as a development coach. No record managing an under-resourced club. Jury out.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 05, 2021, 07:37:39 PM
Palace Top 6, bookmarked
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 05, 2021, 07:58:53 PM
He'll do well, Arsenal will poach him and he'll flop there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 06, 2021, 08:18:33 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 05, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
the fuck is happening at Swindon? we lost Sheridan to you (and I was DELIGHTED, we were in the shit) early last season and you went down and we stayed up. I like Swindon as it goes so I wasn't pleased. I also see you had a player leave the club after one day because he can't relocate from Reading to Swindon (same train line/M4 right?, sounds bollocks).

I know nothing of Swindon. Maybe it's Melinda Messenger's fault?

I really feel that Cov will get relegated next season. We've lost some of our best players (McCallum & James), a talisman (Biamou) and in terms of transfers have brought in an average goalkeeper, a shit striker (Waghorn) and an underwhelming loan player from last season (Sheaf), although I suppose Sheaf has potential. On top of that there might be a move for Gustavo Hamer from Rangers or West Brom.

Then in a move to torpedo dressing room camaraderie, we look like we're bringing Bright Inobakhare back. Was a fan favourite whilst on loan from Wolves in League 1, went back to Wolves but didn't play, moved to Greece where he made one appearance, then spent the winter pissing around in the Indian Super League. Apparently in his first spell with us he was late everyday for training, given special treatment etc which didn't go down too well with the other players.

Liam Walsh (fantastic ex-loanee) looks like he's going to Swansea instead of us, after being replaced at Bristol City by Matty James who also turned us down after being one of our best players last season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 06, 2021, 11:37:28 AM
What's going to happen re fans and the 'rona? Once the season starts, are we all going to be allowed back?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 06, 2021, 11:39:08 AM
It's scheduled for all the stadia to go back to full capacity from the 19th of July, so each club can have big spreader parties once the season starts. But I guess it depends on what Delta variant does between now and the season start.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 06, 2021, 11:42:55 AM
I'm still iffy about going to Hillsborough (and I wonder what the atmosphere will be like, post-relegation) because of having to travel from out of town. I'm not been on Owlstalk for a while so not sure what they're saying over there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 06, 2021, 12:11:00 PM
Why would anyone stalk an owl?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 06, 2021, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on July 06, 2021, 12:11:00 PM
Why would anyone stalk an owl?

For the kudos. Imagine how hard it is to stalk a creature that can turn their heads 180 degrees.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 06, 2021, 12:29:48 PM
Pretty sure they can't smell very good. Not looked it up mind, but anecdotally I once farted in the face of a tethered owl in a bird sanctuary as a display of dominance, and it immediately scratched my arse suggesting it had no idea what was going on. I can look behind myself just fine without having a stupid neck, and I also have the added benefit of being able to detect and respect alpha flatulence.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 06, 2021, 12:32:36 PM
cautiously optimistic for Wigan this season. managed to retain some players for the first time in a while including the wonderful and handsome Darikwa. re-signed Max Power though I am aware he didn't exactly set Sunderland alight. it's Leam Richardson's first managerial job in 9 years since a temp-to-perm at Accrington where he did 'okay'. he's still young at 41 and the players seem to like him a lot and the club were happy to overlook his lack of badges until they weren't allowed to anymore. the financial implosion of the last few years makes me wary of saviours though, so will be happy with play-off challenge.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wentworth Smith on July 06, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 05, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
the fuck is happening at Swindon? we lost Sheridan to you (and I was DELIGHTED, we were in the shit)

How on earth did Sheridan get the Wigan job in the first place? He was sacked by the mighty and glorious Chesterfield (where he was supposedly paid more than any League Two managers) for being near the bottom of the conference and just seemed to stroll, after a brief stopover in Ireland, into the Wigan job. Does no-one look at his record of diminishing returns? it can't be personal charm, he has none.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 06, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
Quote from: Wentworth Smith on July 06, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
How on earth did Sheridan get the Wigan job in the first place? He was sacked by the mighty and glorious Chesterfield (where he was supposedly paid more than any League Two managers) for being near the bottom of the conference and just seemed to stroll, after a brief stopover in Ireland, into the Wigan job. Does no-one look at his record of diminishing returns? it can't be personal charm, he has none.

we were mega desperate but even then! i'd rather this forum had managed us.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 06, 2021, 02:23:44 PM
Sheridan's stop over in Ireland consisted of being an arrogant shitface as well. Half his press conferences amounted to: "Who's managing the opposition? I've never heard of him. I'm an English born Ireland international who played all his club footie in England. I'm too good for this little Paddyland league, really."

Then why did you take a job managing Waterford, who aren't even one of the bigger sides, you desperate twat?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 06, 2021, 02:31:28 PM
compare/contrast to our much-missed prev manager Paul Cook who is still much missed by Sligo, Sheridan really was a nadir in a year full of them. Feel sorry for my mate who supports Oldham
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 06, 2021, 02:37:31 PM
I would not be surprised if Wednesday fans want Sheridan to manage us tbh.
Quote from: DrGreggles on July 06, 2021, 12:11:00 PM
Why would anyone stalk an owl?
They're a horny pussycat. Or David Attenborough.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wentworth Smith on July 06, 2021, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 06, 2021, 02:31:28 PM
compare/contrast to our much-missed prev manager Paul Cook who is still much missed by Sligo, Sheridan really was a nadir in a year full of them. Feel sorry for my mate who supports Oldham

Much missed by Chesterfield as well, we slumped for about five years as soon as he left. Created the best team I've seen, played some great football. The owners decided to replace him with Dean Saunders: this, unsurprisingly, was an error.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 03:43:45 PM
Cook has basically been given one season to get Ipswich promoted by our new owners, but they have backed him to the hilt so far this summer. All of our signings so far[nb]Wes Burns - Fleetwood
Lee Evans - Wigan
Rekeem Harper - West Brom
Macauley Bonne - QPR (loan)
Vaclav Hladky - Salford
Matt Penney - Sheffield Wednesday[/nb] are a big upgrade on who we've dumped [nb]20 senior players, including our captain, Luke Chambers, and the overpaid and underperforming likes of Alan Judge, Emyr Hughes, Freddie Sears and Andre Dozzell (who we got 1m for from QPR)[/nb] and our biggest target, Matt Crooks from Rotherham, looks likely to join soon too. Rumour has it that we're audaciously in for Bursant Celina (a former successful loanee while in the Championship) which would be an insane coup in L1.

Town fans have, at last, something to be optimistic about after our catastrophic 14 year decline under our minted but incompetent former owner. I've got a season ticket again (for the first time since 2009) and we're probably looking at about 25k in Portman Road for the first game of the season (against the mighty Morecambe). The atmosphere is going to be friggin insane.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 06, 2021, 03:51:06 PM
Evans is great. Champo player. Cook's boy too. Ipswich will win the league this season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 06, 2021, 12:32:36 PM
cautiously optimistic for Wigan this season. managed to retain some players for the first time in a while including the wonderful and handsome Darikwa. re-signed Max Power though I am aware he didn't exactly set Sunderland alight. it's Leam Richardson's first managerial job in 9 years since a temp-to-perm at Accrington where he did 'okay'. he's still young at 41 and the players seem to like him a lot and the club were happy to overlook his lack of badges until they weren't allowed to anymore. the financial implosion of the last few years makes me wary of saviours though, so will be happy with play-off challenge.

You've made some very good signings so far. If you can get some consistency out of Gwion Edwards he can be very effective at this level. Big 'if' though.

I've just read that you're in for Charlie Wyke and would pay him 10k a week? Pressure will definitely be on Richardson to get promotion if you're paying wages like that...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 06, 2021, 05:53:59 PM
From a a guardian article discussing BBC salaries.

QuoteAlan Shearer is paid £390,000 for his work as a football pundit


Fucking. Hell.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 06, 2021, 06:03:17 PM
Preddo: Ipswich finish 12th. Atmosphere like a freshly ploughed Suffolk field
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
J'espère que tu te trompes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wentworth Smith on July 06, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
My guess is that Ipswich fans at some point in the season will complain about the football being a bit dull as they are defensively tight and control games but don't score loads of goals. They'll go up though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
Ha ha ha, there is absolutely no way the football will be more dull than what we endured under Paul Lambert and, before him, Mick McCarthy. Cook is all about speed, strength and attacking football and he'll easily be able to impose that on this new squad as he's shaping it himself, virtually from scratch.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 07, 2021, 08:14:46 AM
Quote from: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
Ha ha ha, there is absolutely no way the football will be more dull than what we endured under Paul Lambert and, before him, Mick McCarthy. Cook is all about speed, strength and attacking football and he'll easily be able to impose that on this new squad as he's shaping it himself, virtually from scratch.

What about when he's poached mid-season by MK Dons and Russell Slade comes in to replace him?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 07, 2021, 10:11:44 AM
That would be entirely in keeping with the numerous other false dawns we've had in the past 20 years, yes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 07, 2021, 10:23:41 AM
Quote from: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
I've just read that you're in for Charlie Wyke and would pay him 10k a week? Pressure will definitely be on Richardson to get promotion if you're paying wages like that...

got 'im! if Will Keane stays then that should be the strongest attacking duo in the division. ah you bastard you've got me excited about club football again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 07, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
Yeah, you're shaping up very well and are definitely in the top 4 favourites to go up I'd say. The Cook Vs Richardson rivalry is going to be very interesting this season. Rumour has it that their friendship has cooled somewhat since Leam took the top job at Wigan rather than join his old boss at Town...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: dr beat on July 07, 2021, 10:39:26 AM
Looking forward to getting my CONCACAF Gold Cup on.  Trinidad & Tobago, Haiti and Guadeloupe completed the lineup last night.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 07, 2021, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 07, 2021, 10:23:41 AM
got 'im! if Will Keane stays then that should be the strongest attacking duo in the division. ah you bastard you've got me excited about club football again.
I saw Will Keane play a few times for Man United's youth/reserve teams and he was an excellent striker at those levels and looked like he had a bright future - then he got a serious injury when he was 18 or 19 and never seemed to recover. Even his potential comeback years later was scuppered by injury, indirectly leading to Marcus Rashford getting his chance. Nice to see he's perhaps settled somewhere and starting scoring goals again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 07, 2021, 11:02:33 PM
Wednesday fans, the Phoenix Five podcast did a really good interview with Kevin Pressman (and kopites, they did Henchoz a while back too) this week.

Wednesday's bonding rituals in the old days are very homoerotic. All that bondage and throwing people into ice baths.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: dr beat on July 08, 2021, 02:17:41 PM
As I say I'm all about the CONCACAF Gold Cup, Euros are sa-aa-aa-aad.  Great penalty shootout in the qualifiers between Guatemala and Guadeloupe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zncr3RaZ6k

Spoiler alert
Went to sudden death, the same Guatemala player missed two pens
[close]
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: iamcoop on July 08, 2021, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 07, 2021, 11:02:33 PM
Wednesday fans, the Phoenix Five podcast did a really good interview with Kevin Pressman (and kopites, they did Henchoz a while back too) this week.

Wednesday's bonding rituals in the old days are very homoerotic. All that bondage and throwing people into ice baths.

Find it hard to handle anything Wednesday related at the moment given the utter utter fucking shambles we're in. The club is ruined. Burn it all and start again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 08, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
did Henchoz have anything good to say about his days at Wigan?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on July 08, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Reading that Celtic have placed Leigh Griffiths on gardening leave as he has been "selected for the England test cricket team".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 08, 2021, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: iamcoop on July 08, 2021, 02:47:57 PM
Find it hard to handle anything Wednesday related at the moment given the utter utter fucking shambles we're in. The club is ruined. Burn it all and start again.
I just listened to it for old times' sake. It did make me a bit sad though. Hearing about how the early '90s squad all had each other's backs and generally got on with each other. Then it fell apart under Francis. By Wilson's time it was a mess and rumour has it the current squad have issues with certain players. Hutch, Forestieri and Westwood in particular.

I don't remember what Henchoz said about Wigan, soz.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 08, 2021, 07:52:33 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on July 08, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Reading that Celtic have placed Leigh Griffiths on gardening leave as he has been "selected for the England test cricket team".

(https://www.scotsman.com/images-e.jpimedia.uk/imagefetch/http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/Prestige.Item.1.32186772!image/4074601725.jpg?width=640&enable=upscale)

GUILTY
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on July 09, 2021, 09:42:50 AM
Leigh Griffiths, "Scotland International" as the BBC say. Also the jaw dropping article published yesterday evaluating how he can find redemption:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57683426
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 09, 2021, 09:59:46 AM
Montreal tell FIFA to stick the World Cup right up their bollocks.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8005671/montreal-withdraws-fifa-2026/

This is what FIFA said they had to do to get three group games:

Quote$100M payment to FIFA plus $200M in other expenditures
Cancel the F1 Grand Prix
Cancel the Montreal Jazz Festival
Cancel the Just For Laughs Festival
No other events at the Olympic Stadium for three months (even though the World Cup matches would be over a single week).
(FIFA wants an "event vacuum" before and after the World Cup)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 09, 2021, 05:55:07 PM
Quote from: GMTV on July 09, 2021, 09:42:50 AM
Leigh Griffiths, "Scotland International" as the BBC say. Also the jaw dropping article published yesterday evaluating how he can find redemption:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57683426

QuoteHowever, just a week on, the Scotland striker has been sent home from the Scottish Premiership club's training camp in Wales amid allegations that he sent online messages to an underage girl.

Is there still hope for redemption for this possible nonce? Hmm...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 09, 2021, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 09, 2021, 05:55:07 PM
Is there still hope for redemption for this possible nonce? Hmm...

'Rascal Griffiths' according to Neil Lennon.

Bizarre. Who wrote the article, BBC doesn't say. Need to file a complaint.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: AllisonSays on July 09, 2021, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 07, 2021, 10:23:41 AM
got 'im! if Will Keane stays then that should be the strongest attacking duo in the division. ah you bastard you've got me excited about club football again.

As a Sunderland fan, not so sure about Wyke. He scored a lot of goals last season having been utter shit for the previous two, and he's a bit of an enigma really - tall and slow, but not at all aggressive in the air, ponderous and clumsy but a good one-touch finisher with head and feet. I was never sure what to make of him. Max Power is a bit of a sideways passing fist-pumper but steady enough for L1.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 13, 2021, 09:24:34 PM
At least things are looking good for Arsenal
https://youtu.be/XIQ_J8xCSt8?t=115
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 13, 2021, 09:40:55 PM
Ah that poor goalie doesn't even have his own Wiki page yet.

Shamrock Rovers had levelled their CL tie against Bratislava to 2-2, but went and conceded again. About 10 minutes left, I'd say that's the end of League of Ireland interest in the Champions League for the year.

On the plus side, epic banner:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4u-viqXIAQbtth?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 13, 2021, 09:57:54 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on July 13, 2021, 09:24:34 PM
At least things are looking good for Arsenal
https://youtu.be/XIQ_J8xCSt8?t=115

Nothing more desolate than a Brazilian commentator doing a Gooooooooooooal for a tap in, in a pre-season friendly in Scotland
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: vainsharpdad on July 14, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
Newcastle fans dismay as Steve Bruce prepares for another pre-season


(https://i.imgur.com/HsC809g.png)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
I don't mean to bodyshame but look at the fucking state of Willian

(https://preview.redd.it/rg03v58r08b71.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d9aae4e30ba16135ba6d9d30a38b9b351858d753)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 14, 2021, 09:55:02 PM
AFTV reacted to the pre-season defeat with half their team missing with the usual moderation.

In other Arsenal news, it sounds like they have signed Keith Lard.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 14, 2021, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
I don't mean to bodyshame but look at the fucking state of Willian

(https://preview.redd.it/rg03v58r08b71.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d9aae4e30ba16135ba6d9d30a38b9b351858d753)

well that's what happens when you sign players that should be enjoying their pre-retirement in China/MLS/Turkey/whatever
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 10:32:54 PM
Yeah as I saw posted on Twitter, at the start of the Invincible Season we lost our first friendly to Peterborough, then drew 0-0 with Barnet. Doesn't mean shit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 14, 2021, 10:29:27 PM
well that's what happens when you sign players that should be enjoying their pre-retirement in China/MLS/Turkey/whatever

Yeah it didn't seem like the worst signing ever (prem experience, decent player) but god he was absolute shit last year. I think we're stuck with him for 2 more years and it looks like he knows it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 14, 2021, 10:38:52 PM
tbh it is quite funny to see big clubs struggling to get rid of their mediocre players with huge salaries. love to see Barca being in deep shit

also why is Arsenal loaning Saliba again? it's a weird move
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 14, 2021, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 10:33:48 PM
Yeah it didn't seem like the worst signing ever (prem experience, decent player) but god he was absolute shit last year. I think we're stuck with him for 2 more years and it looks like he knows it.

Worth a punt for a year with a performance related clause triggering an automatic extension to sweeten it for him.

But a 3 year contract for a player his age, and who performed in streaks here and there for Chelsea and never consistently over a season? Nah, Arsenal done goofed.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on July 15, 2021, 12:16:29 AM
That picture of Will.i.an is quite inspirational to someone who has recently started to exhibit the same shape. I could still play for Arsenal yet!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 15, 2021, 01:14:42 AM
Quote from: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
I don't mean to bodyshame but look at the fucking state of Willian

(https://preview.redd.it/rg03v58r08b71.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d9aae4e30ba16135ba6d9d30a38b9b351858d753)
OH LAWD HE COMIN.

Still hasn't got the breasts of Shaw though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 16, 2021, 04:24:49 AM
I may have to take back my Willian bodyshaming

https://twitter.com/stuafc71/status/1415709893856747522
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 16, 2021, 05:00:40 AM
Why do footballers wear this daft shit now? Same as that Ukrainian cunt wearing a sports bra thing. Why is Willian wearing a flak jacket under his shirt. Football is a load of bollocks now. Bring back slide tackles from behind now.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on July 16, 2021, 08:55:38 AM
I've seen a fair few (male) players wear bras. I can understand it with Luke Shaw but he's far from the only one.

There's all sorts of weird bits of kit these days, what with Jack Grealish's tiny child's shin pads and everything.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on July 16, 2021, 10:09:17 AM
The bra is a GPS and other gubbins thing, isn't it? It's for statistical analysis.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on July 16, 2021, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: imitationleather on July 16, 2021, 10:09:17 AM
The bra is a GPS and other gubbins thing, isn't it? It's for statistical analysis.

Bloody hell! Wait until the antivaxxers find out about this and start demanding Premier League players take their bras off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 16, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
If Jack Grealish's hair picks up 5G signals, we'll know why.
Quote from: imitationleather on July 16, 2021, 10:09:17 AM
The bra is a GPS and other gubbins thing, isn't it? It's for statistical analysis.
Correct.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 16, 2021, 12:08:12 PM
Is it really body shaming when the guy's getting paid tons of money for a job that requires supreme fitness?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 16, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: Satchmo Distel on July 16, 2021, 12:08:12 PM
Is it really body shaming when the guy's getting paid tons of money for a job that requires supreme fitness?

Also it is preseason where players let their hair down and gain a few pounds before getting back on the treadmill (although in Willian's case I suspect he gives not one shit so long as he gots lot of salary)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: drummersaredeaf on July 16, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on July 16, 2021, 10:11:58 AM
Bloody hell! Wait until the antivaxxers find out about this and start demanding Premier League players take their bras off.

Love my country, hate snowflakes and Marxists. I will not wear a girdle. End of.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 16, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 16, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
Also it is preseason where players let their hair down and gain a few pounds before getting back on the treadmill (although in Willian's case I suspect he gives not one shit so long as he gots lot of salary)
Didn't Matt Le Tissier have form for doing this sort of thing? He'd always come back from his holidays having gained weight.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on July 16, 2021, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: Mobius on July 14, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
I don't mean to bodyshame but look at the fucking state of Willian

(https://preview.redd.it/rg03v58r08b71.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d9aae4e30ba16135ba6d9d30a38b9b351858d753)

TBF people complain about modern arsenal not taking notice of the old traditions but Willian looks like he's been on the beers with Tony Adams and ray Parlour (great autobioography 'the romford pele')  for the last couple of months so i say fair play to him. The reason we signed him for three years is because that is the only way we could get him as chelsea were only offering him two years. seemed like it would be a good idea for the first two years before we inevitably paid him off before the third year but now it looks like we might do that after one. we really set an embarassing precident when we paid off Mustafi, Ozil and Sokratis last christmas. wouldnt be surprised if we do the same to Kolasinac soon as well. Hmmf.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on July 16, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 16, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
Didn't Matt Le Tissier have form for doing this sort of thing? He'd always come back from his holidays having gained weight.

He used to stop off for a MacDonald's breakfast on the way to training before some manager with "new fangled" ideas came to Southampton and shut that shit down
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 16, 2021, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: Crabwalk on July 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
Ha ha ha, there is absolutely no way the football will be more dull than what we endured under Paul Lambert and, before him, Mick McCarthy. Cook is all about speed, strength and attacking football and he'll easily be able to impose that on this new squad as he's shaping it himself, virtually from scratch.

I know it's a few seasons ago, but as we've just signed him and he played for Ipswich, what is Martyn Waghorn like?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 16, 2021, 05:12:19 PM
Oh he'll do something good every now and then but average Championship standard.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 16, 2021, 07:28:13 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on July 16, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
He used to stop off for a MacDonald's breakfast on the way to training before some manager with "new fangled" ideas came to Southampton and shut that shit down
I actually googled his diet when he was a player and all I can say is, I'm surprised he wasn't the size of a house. Or Neil Ruddock.

Sheffield Wednesday apparently used to have fish and chips and beers on the bus after a game. Then all the foreigners started coming in and presumably the squad were expected to change their eating habits (Roland Nilsson was a bit of a health nut).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 16, 2021, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 16, 2021, 04:59:03 PM
I know it's a few seasons ago, but as we've just signed him and he played for Ipswich, what is Martyn Waghorn like?

he was pretty good for Wigan in the Championship and it got him a move to Rangers. he was devastating on his day as a kind of cut-price Hazard in off the left side making trouble on both sides of the full back. sometimes he wouldn't turn up or he'd get a bit ball greedy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 16, 2021, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 16, 2021, 08:34:06 PM
he was pretty good for Wigan in the Championship and it got him a move to Rangers. he was devastating on his day as a kind of cut-price Hazard in off the left side making trouble on both sides of the full back. sometimes he wouldn't turn up or he'd get a bit ball greedy.

I've always thought he was a bit shit, based on absolutely nothing. To be honest, "Average championship" is kinda what Coventry need at the moment. Be good to have him not turning up on the left and Bright Enobakhare not turning up on the right.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 16, 2021, 11:52:26 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 16, 2021, 07:28:13 PM
I actually googled his diet when he was a player and all I can say is, I'm surprised he wasn't the size of a house. Or Neil Ruddock.

Sheffield Wednesday apparently used to have fish and chips and beers on the bus after a game. Then all the foreigners started coming in and presumably the squad were expected to change their eating habits (Roland Nilsson was a bit of a health nut).
The drinking habits in the Man United squad pre-Ferguson was pretty high level - 20 pint sessions on a Wednesday between players were the norm. There's stories of them returning home from European trips at 1am and banging on the door of Paddy Crerand's pub in Altrincham for a four hour session.

The same players also wonder why we never won the league during that time, for some reason.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 17, 2021, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 16, 2021, 07:28:13 PM

Sheffield Wednesday apparently used to have fish and chips and beers on the bus after a game. Then all the foreigners started coming in and presumably the squad were expected to change their eating habits (Roland Nilsson was a bit of a health nut).

This was a thing for most clubs. Players are hungry after the game, but potentially stuck on a bus for 4-5 hours. They don't want to stop off somewhere as they just want to get home. Fish and chips was probably the healthiest option back then.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 17, 2021, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 17, 2021, 10:52:52 AM
This was a thing for most clubs. Players are hungry after the game, but potentially stuck on a bus for 4-5 hours. They don't want to stop off somewhere as they just want to get home. Fish and chips was probably the healthiest option back then.
I can imagine. I can't compare with Everton but as others have said, Arsene Wenger getting Arsenal on healthier diets was a rare thing in the UK back then (it was different on the continent, Kanchelskis said Fiorentina were dead strict about food when he was there). Wednesday had some massive pissheads in the squad as well. Hirst and Sheridan in particular.

You look at footballers now and they often have their own chefs (there's one in the northwest who cooks for City players) and big clubs have their own nutritionists. I remember that when I did the Allianz Stadium tour, there was a big jar of pasta in one of the changing rooms, possibly olive oil as well. Although loads of footballers were eating pasta back in the '90s because sweet sweet carbs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 17, 2021, 12:02:34 PM
update/precis on the Swindon situation: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/16/no-manager-not-enough-players-how-swindon-town-were-left-to-fall-apart
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 17, 2021, 08:05:37 PM
Wednesday getting a new goalie apparently. Sorry, Cammy and Joe, you ain't cutting it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 17, 2021, 11:54:48 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 17, 2021, 12:02:34 PM
update/precis on the Swindon situation: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/16/no-manager-not-enough-players-how-swindon-town-were-left-to-fall-apart

Not a particularly original thought but what a fucking mess. On one hand, it might be one less competitive club in League Two but it's a fucking shameful shitshow.

Is this Gylfi stuff just a nasty rumour? Think there was another one earlier in the season that James Rodriguez was transitioning.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on July 18, 2021, 12:12:59 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on July 17, 2021, 11:54:48 PM

Is this Gylfi stuff just a nasty rumour? Think there was another one earlier in the season that James Rodriguez was transitioning.

What stuff about Gylfi?  He's pretty much despised by the majority of toffees.

And this is the time of year that the RS like to spread rumours like the James one.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 01:34:17 AM
That he's a paedophile.

I don't get why anyone would want to spread a rumour like that tbh. Football fans are weird. I don't go round making up bollocks about how Chris Wilder tortures animals or Jordan Henderson has a fridge full of severed heads. The Rodriguez one was weird enough, and transphobic, but I can't find the one about Sigurdsson funny. I know I should but I can't.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 18, 2021, 09:09:19 AM
Coventry played their first pre-season friendly yesterday against Sevilla (with Rakitic, Navas etc) in about 35 degree heat. Played well in the first half but lost 4-0 to a team who finished 2 points behind fucking Barcelona last season in a game purely designed for fitness reasons. Cue some fans.. "so and so isn't good enough", "we're in trouble if we continue like this".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 18, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Pre-season means feck all. I remember watching Wigan destroy Besiktas ahead of one of our worst seasons.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lost Oliver on July 18, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
John Sheridan just seems like a bit of a cunt. I know he slagged off all his players at Wigan despite most of them coming from the youth team and it seems he did the same thing with Swindon.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 09:30:21 AM
Quote from: Lost Oliver on July 18, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
John Sheridan just seems like a bit of a cunt. I know he slagged off all his players at Wigan despite most of them coming from the youth team and it seems he did the same thing with Swindon.
He was a cunt at Wednesday too. Albeit a cunt who scored goals.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 18, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
I don't really get the paedophile rumour jokes. What's point?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on July 18, 2021, 12:09:34 PM
Alty not going hybrid full/part time this year, because it seems as though nobody asked the players if they could give up jobs to move into full-time football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on July 18, 2021, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 01:34:17 AM
That he's a paedophile.

I don't get why anyone would want to spread a rumour like that tbh. Football fans are weird. I don't go round making up bollocks about how Chris Wilder tortures animals or Jordan Henderson has a fridge full of severed heads. The Rodriguez one was weird enough, and transphobic, but I can't find the one about Sigurdsson funny. I know I should but I can't.

So Rodriguez is transitioning into a child version of Sigurdsson now?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on July 18, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
I don't really get the paedophile rumour jokes. What's point?
Clout, I guess. Or rivalry. I don't know if the person who made it up was Liverpool or Everton but it's just such a pathetic thing to do. The rumour is that he was texting a 14-year-old girl.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 18, 2021, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
Clout, I guess. Or rivalry. I don't know if the person who made it up was Liverpool or Everton but it's just such a pathetic thing to do. The rumour is that he was texting a 14-year-old girl.

I only see Everton accounts tweeting about it on Twitter.

Don't see why Liverpool fans would need to make up rumours about Everton. This is a club who have rumours going round about signing Andros Townsend. Who needs to make up a rumour when a hilarious one like that is ready mate. Besides, Everton fans hate Everton players more than Liverpool fans do so they are much more likely to buy into a malicious rumour.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 18, 2021, 10:33:16 PM
The city in general is meant to be a bit shit for rumours. Just ask Steven Gerrard. Or Robbie Fowler. Or Dan Agger.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 10:36:52 PM
Liverpool Twitter has some very weird people on it. Like the ones who film themselves outside Bramley Moore going 'lol THE evz have new ground' or driving past our fans blasting YNWA at full volume on matchday. I've had some bad run-ins with them, it's one reason why I tend to avoid Twitter now. There is a reason why I always worry that if someone says they're a Liverpool fan, they're going to start shouting '1995' and 'Steaua Bucharest, bitch' at me.

You're right that we eat our own though. I mean, here is Everton Twitter's Greatest Hits:
- A female fan continuously getting hit on by horny Everton das
- The rumour about Rodriguez being trans
- Harassing Jan Kluitenberg off Twitter
- Bragging about being blocked by Gylfi Sigurdsson's wife
- That rumour about Gylfi Sigurdsson, you know the one
- Throwing shitfits about Ronald Koeman's Christmas tree having red baubles on it, to the point where Koeman basically responded, "Get a life, for fuck's sake."
- Harassing a woman with all sorts of misogynistic bullshit for mistakenly thinking a guy was racist
- Holdentheblue, a gentile, repeatedly insisting 'mongrel' was an antisemitic slur
- Posing for a selfie with Marco Silva in a restaurant after he'd been sacked and then posting it on Twitter for ~clout~
- Claiming that harassing managers and players at the airport/Finch Farm is being 'passionate'
- Everything PED7 has written, ever

Wednesday fans tend to be a bit gammony but at least they don't go 'oh noes Darren Moore wore a red t-shirt, burn him'.

Re Gerrard, I went on a Mumsnet thread about football a while back and there was some bullshit about him shagging teenage girls behind Alexa's back. What was the Agger one?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 18, 2021, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 10:36:52 PM
Re Gerrard, I went on a Mumsnet thread about football a while back and there was some bullshit about him shagging teenage girls behind Alexa's back. What was the Agger one?

There was also bullshit about Alex cheating on him and one of his kids not actually being his.[nb]Gerrard mimed cradling a baby after scoring against Everton once in response. More sensible than Fowler's reaction to the 'junkie' jibes.[/nb] Was told he had moved out of his house and into the penthouse suite of whatever the swankiest hotel in Liverpool is about 5 or 6 times over the course of his career. By Liverpool fans as often as Everton fans.

The shite about Agger is that he was partial to hosting hedonistic gatherings at his house involving large quantities of white powder and men who exchange their companionship for money.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 11:02:02 PM
Hahaha, I know for a fact that's bollocks, because have you SEEN Gerrard's kids? They are quite obviously his, the two older girls have his eyes. Didn't it come from Alex having gangland connections?

On the subject of Weird Everton Rumours, there was one about Koeman shagging a hooker in Ellesmere Port.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 18, 2021, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 11:02:02 PM
Hahaha, I know for a fact that's bollocks, because have you SEEN Gerrard's kids? They are quite obviously his, the two older girls have his eyes. Didn't it come from Alex having gangland connections?

Quite possibly as it was supposed to be some infamous local bouncer and hardman she did the deed with. Hasn't Gerrard got some 'interesting' friends independent of Alex too?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on July 18, 2021, 11:43:34 PM

Thing is, for all the rumours surrounding Everton's players, we have had well above the average of wrong uns at Goodison.  Mark Ward, Michael Branch, George Green, Andy van der Meyde, Jose Baxter, Billy Kenny, and of course Duncan to name but a few.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thehungerartist on July 19, 2021, 12:29:42 AM
Quote from: badaids on July 18, 2021, 11:43:34 PM
Thing is, for all the rumours surrounding Everton's players, we have had well above the average of wrong uns at Goodison.  Mark Ward, Michael Branch, George Green, Andy van der Meyde, Jose Baxter, Billy Kenny, and of course Duncan to name but a few.

The worst was James McFadden. Remember when he was shagging Will Young?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 19, 2021, 06:45:29 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 18, 2021, 11:09:49 PM
Quite possibly as it was supposed to be some infamous local bouncer and hardman she did the deed with.

Pancake's Half Hour.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Yussef Dent on July 19, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 18, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Pre-season means feck all. I remember watching Wigan destroy Besiktas ahead of one of our worst seasons.

In 2003/04 Derby drew 2-2 with Champions League quarter finalists Ajax who were captained by Rafael van der Vaart and they also had the likes of Maxwell, Pienaar and Sonck playing. Then we beat Real Mallorca 3-1, Samuel Eto'o got theirs. We stayed up by a point in an absolutely desperate season where George Burley had no money to spend on transfers (which didn't stop some members of the then board managing to siphon hundreds of thousands of pounds out the club and end up in prison because of it) that was heavily reliant on a 16-year-old Tom Huddlestone.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 19, 2021, 09:52:46 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 18, 2021, 10:36:52 PM
- Everything PED7 has written, ever

lol a mate of mine (also a Toffee) was on some Sky show about ten years ago where fans of PL teams got to play on five-a-side teams alongside legends of said team. my mate used to play decent standard non-league and absolutely pissed the trials, but all the filming of the sob story/true fan before the trial itself was of PED7, so they had this fake lineup where Neil Warnock appeared to deliberate and then chose PED7 (not terrible but more like your average crippler down the Soccerdome) over my pal. my mate kicked off and even worse it has launched PED7 as the Everton online kingpin off the back of it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 19, 2021, 09:58:34 AM
Literally never heard of the cunt but I am sure I would despise him as much as all other football fans.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: badaids on July 18, 2021, 11:43:34 PM
Thing is, for all the rumours surrounding Everton's players, we have had well above the average of wrong uns at Goodison.  Mark Ward, Michael Branch, George Green, Andy van der Meyde, Jose Baxter, Billy Kenny, and of course Duncan to name but a few.
Duncan is a lot better these days tbf. And he could eat a baby during a match and Everton fans would still worship him. (I like Duncan but by Christ I hate his hardcore fanboys.)

Chedney, PED7 is the genius behind Toffee TV. They're not quite as embarrassing as AFTV, but they're certainly close.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 19, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 18, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Pre-season means feck all. I remember watching Wigan destroy Besiktas ahead of one of our worst seasons.

I'm hoping this is true, Newcastle played pretty much a full strength team yesterday and lost to sixth tier York City.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:22:29 AM
Everton surprisingly did not lose to Accrington Stanley.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on July 19, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
I'm hoping this is true, Newcastle played pretty much a full strength team yesterday

How can that be true when they've just released Andy Carroll?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 19, 2021, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
Chedney, PED7 is the genius behind Toffee TV. They're not quite as embarrassing as AFTV, but they're certainly close.

Cheers, I never seen a second of that in my life. Never gonna. 'Legend' fans are lowest form of life to me. Sub-aboema.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:53:41 AM
I've tried watching AFTV and it just makes me cringe. I hate the whole culture of fan reactions and people filming themselves watching a match. I don't care, if I wanted to see fan reactions I'd go the actual game and sit next to an angry da screaming abuse at Tom Davies.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mr. logic on July 19, 2021, 01:17:28 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on July 19, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
I'm hoping this is true, Newcastle played pretty much a full strength team yesterday and lost to sixth tier York City.

It was warm though. Per today's Chronicle. Things are going swimmingly.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lost Oliver on July 19, 2021, 06:30:52 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on July 19, 2021, 09:52:46 AM
lol a mate of mine (also a Toffee) was on some Sky show about ten years ago where fans of PL teams got to play on five-a-side teams alongside legends of said team. my mate used to play decent standard non-league and absolutely pissed the trials, but all the filming of the sob story/true fan before the trial itself was of PED7, so they had this fake lineup where Neil Warnock appeared to deliberate and then chose PED7 (not terrible but more like your average crippler down the Soccerdome) over my pal. my mate kicked off and even worse it has launched PED7 as the Everton online kingpin off the back of it.

Did you ever have a team at the Soccer Dome? I'm guessing you're talking about the Wigan one. I still go whenever I'm back in Wigs but it's like Broken Britain. The pitches have just been left and have been trashed. Water bottles everywhere. We can't have anything nice.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 19, 2021, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: Lost Oliver on July 19, 2021, 06:30:52 PM
Did you ever have a team at the Soccer Dome? I'm guessing you're talking about the Wigan one. I still go whenever I'm back in Wigs but it's like Broken Britain. The pitches have just been left and have been trashed. Water bottles everywhere. We can't have anything nice.

yeah we had one called - prepare to hold your sides because you're about to lose them - Chicken Kiev. Wednesday nights in the late 00s. It was me and a bunch of the lads from high school who were not very sporty at high school but liked a kickabout. One night we came up against a team that was basically all the lads at school who were really good at footy. I netted a pearler in the first min before losing 4-1.

the pitches were alright in my day, though the rubber crumb would end up in all your clothes. refs were a bit harsh as I recall.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lost Oliver on July 19, 2021, 06:39:42 PM
I think I remember, your team! The name at least. We have several incarnations and I bloody loved it. Pretty Vacant (lost our first game 17-1), Street Spirit (won the Prem!), Corpus Callosum (middle table non entities), The Answer to Cancer (had to change this after a week because the receptionist was offended), Commitment to Sparkle Motion (lost 17, drew 1) and finally World of Wigan (back to mid table nothingness).

It's a ninja place now or something but like I say you can still sneak on and play on the outside pitches. And my dad's cousin used to ref there but got banned after he punched one of the players. Heady days.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 19, 2021, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: mr. logic on July 19, 2021, 01:17:28 PM
It was warm though. Per today's Chronicle. Things are going swimmingly.

I just read that. They mentioned the weather about 6 times like it was a valid excuse. You had a Maxim, Joelinton (for 18 mins), Gayle etc playing.

Good news is the youth are coming through though (U-23s beaten by Harrogate LOOOOOL).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Stone Cold Steve Austin on July 19, 2021, 10:22:48 PM
about those rumours then https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9804037/Married-Premier-League-player-arrested-suspicion-child-sex-offences.html
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 19, 2021, 10:57:39 PM
Yikes. Certainly looks to be Sigurdsson based on the clues.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on July 19, 2021, 11:02:51 PM
Quote from: thehungerartist on July 19, 2021, 12:29:42 AM
The worst was James McFadden. Remember when he was shagging Will Young?

The worst thing about McFadden was that he looked like the lead singer out of Travis.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Spode on July 19, 2021, 11:03:26 PM
If it is Sigurdsson, he could use the successful Prince Andrew defence of never having broken into a sweat in his entire life.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:14:56 PM
If it's true, I feel bad for his poor wife. Who's been denying it, incidentally.

ETA: Grand Old Team has banned all discussion of the rumour. I have a bad feeling about this.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 19, 2021, 11:30:33 PM
Not looking good for Corbyn.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:32:41 PM
I was going to make a snarky comment but fuck it. Can't be bothered. It sure as hell makes me want to switch teams though.

ETA: other football forums have banned discussion of Sigurdsson being a paedophile - are we allowed to talk about it here?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 19, 2021, 11:36:39 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:32:41 PM
It sure as hell makes me want to switch teams though.

Not really the club's fault (again, if it's true) is it? And the player has been suspended by their club. Not like Adam Johnson who briefly continued playing (last appearance with a goal against Liverpool of course) when Sunderland had a good idea of what he'd done.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:38:09 PM
Hence the edit.

I want to go down to Finch Farm and cut his dick off with a kitchen knife.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 19, 2021, 11:39:08 PM
you might want to wait for a confirmation before doing something drastic
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:40:27 PM
Sorry. It's just setting things off in my head.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 19, 2021, 11:42:51 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:38:09 PM
Hence the edit.

Edited mine. Original comment never happened :p

As for whether we should talk about it, I'm sure football forums are concerned about getting into legal trouble, but when he's trending on twitter, with predictable hilarious comparisons to Adam Johnson and Jimmy Saville, can Cook'd and Bomb'd really be blamed for letting the cat out of the bag? One for the Admin to adjudicate on.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:43:42 PM
And we're not strictly a football forum.

I'm not kidding when I say I have to be very careful what I tweet, because what I am thinking about that man right now could get me into serious trouble.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 19, 2021, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:43:42 PM
And we're not strictly a football forum.

I'm not kidding when I say I have to be very careful what I tweet, because what I am thinking about that man right now could get me into serious trouble.

Don't tweet at all is the best advice there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:47:47 PM
Yeah, I'm staying off Twitter. I don't trust myself.

He has a little kid. That's what kills me. He has a little kid.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 19, 2021, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:43:42 PM
And we're not strictly a football forum.

and thank god for that!

seriously though that tabloid culture is fuckep up. what if it's someone else?

edit: i mean i'm not as familiar as you lot with pl players' private lives so maybe it's obvious...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:48:43 PM
Whoever it is, he needs fucking shooting.

The main justification seems to be that Mrs Sigurdsson deleted her social media. (I don't know that much about Sigurdsson's private life, other than he's married, he has a child and a dog. I follow him on Instagram.)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on July 19, 2021, 11:59:57 PM
Damn. When I saw the thread about him on the Spurs forum I go on had been bumped I was worried it meant we were planning on trying to re-sign him!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 12:02:12 AM
The Fighting Cock?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on July 20, 2021, 12:02:35 AM
Aye.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 20, 2021, 12:04:58 AM
Never been happier that this never happened. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18472916) Cheers Spurs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 12:06:28 AM
Liverpool get a pretty Brazilian from Hoffenheim, and we get a paedophile[nb]Alleged[/nb].
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 20, 2021, 12:08:34 AM
If it is true then on the bright side for Everton fans, he was rubbish and it gets high wages off the books.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 12:09:21 AM
If it is him, I hope he gets sacked. Bad enough we've got a domestic abuser[nb]Francis Jeffers[/nb] working with the U23s.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 20, 2021, 12:17:08 AM
Is Jeffers a prick then? God I remember when Arsenal signed him as their "Fox In The Box"... what a load of shit he turned out to be.

The Gylfi connection comes from the following clues apparently

- He is 31 atm
- Arrested by Manchester police so most likely living there as well
- EPL player
- Married

Also his wife deleted her Instagram yesterday.

I mean it's all over social media, so I don't think it's the end of the world that we've speculated here... pretty crazy that it was being hinted at in this thread only a few days ago! I'd never heard the rumour before then, and here we are...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: vainsharpdad on July 20, 2021, 12:23:47 AM
PL have postponed arbitration on the Newcastle takeover until 2022 - so that'll be 2.5 years to make a decision.

The Man City takeover took 22 days....


Edit: Also:


https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2193203/club-statement
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 20, 2021, 12:27:39 AM
I'm gonna say Kyle Walker as the diddler just as a wildcard.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 20, 2021, 12:28:17 AM
Pretty much confirmation I guess https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2193203/club-statement

edit - whoops sorry didn't see this was just posted
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 20, 2021, 12:29:10 AM
I'd like to formally withdraw my Kyle Walker shout.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on July 20, 2021, 12:34:40 AM
Quote from: vainsharpdad on July 20, 2021, 12:23:47 AM

Edit: Also:


https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2193203/club-statement

On the positive side, this means he's now qualified to represent the England Test team.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 20, 2021, 12:48:24 AM
well that's horrible (we're lucky this didn't happen during the last thread)

on the brightside your transfer window will be busier
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 12:53:15 AM
Jeffers was abusive to his wife. Sent her nasty texts and stuff.

So it was Sigurdsson. Trash.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on July 20, 2021, 01:23:50 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 12:09:21 AM
If it is him, I hope he gets sacked. Bad enough we've got a domestic abuser[nb]Francis Jeffers[/nb] working with the U23s.

He left to join us at Ipswich as a first team coach a few months back. I wasn't especially pleased.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2021, 04:59:50 AM
Anyone who has seen him play over the last few years would already assume he was a paedophile.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on July 20, 2021, 07:13:19 AM
If he's done anything leigh Griffiths style he'll be straight into the squad for the first game of the season. Although also requires a highly sympathetic club to that type of behaviour so we'll need to see how everton compare.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 07:13:43 AM
Rashford helps kids
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2021, 07:35:45 AM
Quote from: GMTV on July 20, 2021, 07:13:19 AM
If he's done anything leigh Griffiths style he'll be straight into the squad for the first game of the season. Although also requires a highly sympathetic club to that type of behaviour so we'll need to see how everton compare.

Based on recent form, Everton are highly sympathetic to paedos.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 20, 2021, 08:00:14 AM
I love the BBC story about Andy Carroll's release from Newcastle at the end of his contract. Steve Bruce describing it as "amicable", which immediately makes me think that when he got released it was akin to the scene in Peep Show where Jez gets sacked from the recording studio but refuses to leave.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 20, 2021, 08:11:13 AM
Amazed (if) that Gylfi stuff has basis in reality. Seemed like classic Twitter bullshit of the James is transitioning variety.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: Bernice on July 20, 2021, 08:11:13 AM
Amazed (if) that Gylfi stuff has basis in reality. Seemed like classic Twitter bullshit of the James is transitioning variety.

Post that didnt age well
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2021, 07:35:45 AM
Based on recent form, Everton are highly sympathetic to paedos.
Like who?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
I'm saying the whole team plays football so badly my only conclusion is they must be paedophiles. Instead of training at football and going to the gym and eating a nutritious diet, they must be on the dark web filling up Seagate SSDs and sending DMs to kids. I can't understand why they're so bad at football if not.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on July 20, 2021, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: GMTV on July 20, 2021, 07:13:19 AM
If he's done anything leigh Griffiths style he'll be straight into the squad for the first game of the season. Although also requires a highly sympathetic club to that type of behaviour so we'll need to see how everton compare.

You mean the cops investigated and found no wrongdoing style of course? Because of course one of the country's most prominent and controversial footballers would just have to say: "I didn't do it,'' and the press, police and public would immediately leave him alone
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
I'm saying the whole team plays football so badly my only conclusion is they must be paedophiles. Instead of training at football and going to the gym and eating a nutritious diet, they must be on the dark web filling up Seagate SSDs and sending DMs to kids. I can't understand why they're so bad at football if not.
By that logic, the entire Sheffield Wednesday team are rapists.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on July 20, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
I wouldn't be at all surprised.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on July 20, 2021, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 19, 2021, 11:38:09 PM
Hence the edit.

I want to go down to Finch Farm and cut his dick off with a kitchen knife.

Put your pitchfork away and grow up, maybe take that flare out your arse while you're at it.

These football threads can trawl the depths sometimes but speculating over the identity of whether someone may or may not be a paedophile is a new low
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on July 20, 2021, 10:27:24 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
By that logic, the entire Sheffield Wednesday team are rapists.

I used to regularly see a very famous Wednesday (and England) player parked up on the road outside my flat. Which happens to be opposite a prep school. He was only there when the pupils went in and came out. Need I say more, eh?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on July 20, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: Jockice on July 20, 2021, 09:57:05 AM
You mean the cops investigated and found no wrongdoing style of course? Because of course one of the country's most prominent and controversial footballers would just have to say: "I didn't do it,'' and the press, police and public would immediately leave him alone

No criminality was found in the message exchanges with a teenage girl that resulted in her sending explicit messages to him.

Similar witch hunt with him previously when the police didn't convict him for a racist tweet, and a separate racist pub chanting incident.

The level of persecution he's facing is quite astounding
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on July 20, 2021, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: GMTV on July 20, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
No criminality was found in the message exchanges with a teenage girl that resulted in her sending explicit messages to him.

Similar witch hunt with him previously when the police didn't convict him for a racist tweet, and a separate racist pub chanting incident.

The level of persecution he's facing is quite astounding

(Cough) Allan McGregor.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 20, 2021, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: Jasha on July 20, 2021, 10:20:50 AM
Put your pitchfork away and grow up, maybe take that flare out your arse while you're at it.

These football threads can trawl the depths sometimes but speculating over the identity of whether someone may or may not be a paedophile is a new low

Steady on like. Some people have strong reactions to child sexual abuse, this is a pretty casual space, people post what's on their mind.

Equally, I'm not sure it's 'speculation' as to the identity at this point. Manchester police arrested a 31-year-old, who plays for Everton, for child sex offences. The only 31-year-olds playing for Everton are Sigurdsson and Delph - the latter played a friendly on Saturday, the day after the arrest, the former was notably absent from the squad.

Obviously, we know nothing about the case, and I very much hope it's much ado about nothing. Not looking forward to the chants and banter either way.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on July 20, 2021, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: Jasha on July 20, 2021, 10:20:50 AM
These football threads can trawl the depths sometimes but speculating over the identity of whether someone may or may not be a paedophile is a new low

He's been arrested by the police, which suggests it is more than idle speculation. Innocent until proven guilty obvs.

Football is terrible because it turns trauma and tragedy into just another tool with to wind up fans. I remember seeing in the Rangers end of Hampden during a cup game a banner that read "ZOMBIES ARE FICTIONAL. PAEDOPHILES ARE REAL". Celtic's record on child sexual abuse is atrocious but unfortunately it appears to be impossible to leave one's football allegiances behind when talking about this stuff.

(I would not be playing Griffiths tonight FWIW)[nb]'cause he's shite![/nb]
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Jasha on July 20, 2021, 10:20:50 AM
Put your pitchfork away and grow up, maybe take that flare out your arse while you're at it.

These football threads can trawl the depths sometimes but speculating over the identity of whether someone may or may not be a paedophile is a new low
Yeah, I wasn't in a good place last night. I've calmed down now. It triggered a lot of intrusive thoughts.

It is confirmed to be an Everton player. The club confirmed it. (https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2193203/club-statement) And as Blinder Data said, it's going to be used as ammunition against us. Like, never mind that an underage girl had an older man hitting on her, if not worse, and never mind the fallout the player's wife will suffer, it's just another stick to beat The Ev with. Although it's not as bad as people making fun of footballers' kids/wives dying, which happened to Louis van Gaal, amongst others. That's beyond horrible.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 02:02:24 PM
QuoteAlashkert   
Sheriff Tiraspol

Lincoln Red Imps   
CFR Cluj

Dinamo Zagreb   
Omonia Nicosia

Ferencvárosi TC   
Zalgiris

Rapid Vienna   
Sparta Prague

Celtic   
FC Midtjylland

Bottom 2 fixtures gonna be the good ones, I reckon.

Tiraspol vs Alashkert for the demilitarised zone Russian sphere of influence purists.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: wooders1978 on July 20, 2021, 02:15:25 PM
Innocent until proven Gylfi
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DenzilHolles on July 20, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
Yeah, I wasn't in a good place last night. I've calmed down now. It triggered a lot of intrusive thoughts.

It is confirmed to be an Everton player. The club confirmed it. (https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2193203/club-statement) And as Blinder Data said, it's going to be used as ammunition against us. Like, never mind that an underage girl had an older man hitting on her, if not worse, and never mind the fallout the player's wife will suffer, it's just another stick to beat The Ev with. Although it's not as bad as people making fun of footballers' kids/wives dying, which happened to Louis van Gaal, amongst others. That's beyond horrible.

If anyone is found guilty, it  won't reflect badly on the club so long as they've followed the correct course of actions. Unlike, say, Sunderland who let Adam Johnson play ( and earn a lot of money ) for quite some time after he'd admitted his guilt to the club.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 20, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
Is anyone else a bit confused that the police didn't report their name for legal reasons but allowed his club to issue a press statement saying they terminated their contract at the same time, stated their age and the area where they live live?

It narrows it down quite a bit doesnt it? Very 'Domingo in Little Oakley'.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 20, 2021, 02:57:24 PM
It is a bit weird. They may as well just go the whole hog and admit it was Sigurdsson wot done it. (Delph played at the weekend, so that rules him out.)

Also, I stupidly looked on the Fighting Cock thread and all I can say is, I hope some of those men don't have daughters.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 20, 2021, 09:10:04 PM
New season; new 80s Footballers Ageing Badly Tournament!

(https://i.imgur.com/W1tFH7g.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on July 20, 2021, 11:27:54 PM
Great British Women's team kicks off in the Olympics tomorrow at 8:30am! Shocked that people aren't talking about it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on July 20, 2021, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on July 20, 2021, 09:10:04 PM
New season; new 80s Footballers Ageing Badly Tournament!

(https://i.imgur.com/W1tFH7g.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Zx6yhMw/1626820961207.png)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 21, 2021, 09:20:50 AM
I see Lazio fans are having a normal one.

ETA: and the S*n can fuck RIGHT off with that Fabian Delph front page. They know what they're doing. As can the Spectator for trying to paint Rashford as a greedy grifter.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
The Spectator readership are far right elderly eugenicists so probably not much to report outside absolutely stock tendentiousness.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 21, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
I remember one or more right-wing media publications having a go at Rashford a few months back because he owns a few houses - which I gather he'd given to his mother and other family members. It didn't take at the time, it was too soon after his school meals campaign, but perhaps the Spectator feel now is a better time to give him some stick what with his penalty miss.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 21, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Why do they think it's a gotcha that Marcus Rashford, millionaire footballer, has commercial ties? Do they genuinely think he claims to be some sort of committed Marxist?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on July 21, 2021, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: Bernice on July 21, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Why do they think it's a gotcha that Marcus Rashford, millionaire footballer, has commercial ties? Do they genuinely think he claims to be some sort of committed Marxist?

If they were to look for people who have in some way or other personally benefitted from charitable activities it would be a very long list. So why Marcus Rashford specifically, and why now.

Love his response too in that he can understand in some theoretical way he might be a more marketable individual now, but that's just a side effect of what he was aiming to achieve and he wouldn't have given a fuck about either way.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on July 21, 2021, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 21, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
I remember one or more right-wing media publications having a go at Rashford a few months back because he owns a few houses - which I gather he'd given to his mother and other family members. It didn't take at the time, it was too soon after his school meals campaign, but perhaps the Spectator feel now is a better time to give him some stick what with his penalty miss.

Raheem Sterling pointed out a couple of years ago of the Daily Mail writing a very glowing piece about Phil Foden buying his mother a lovely new house while the not so pale Tosin Adarabioyo; a fellow graduate of the City academy system was being ridiculed by same publication around the same time for being an undeserved rich person splashing out all showingly on yet another house - that was for his mother. 

https://www.joe.ie/sport/raheem-sterling-speaks-abuse-chelsea-game-651027
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 21, 2021, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 21, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
I remember one or more right-wing media publications having a go at Rashford a few months back because he owns a few houses - which I gather he'd given to his mother and other family members. It didn't take at the time, it was too soon after his school meals campaign, but perhaps the Spectator feel now is a better time to give him some stick what with his penalty miss.
Gary Neville and Robbie Fowler also own property. Did they get any stick for it? I'm guessing no.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on July 21, 2021, 12:27:54 PM
Not from the right, no.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 21, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
Oh yeah, I can imagine socialist fans would have plenty to say about them being landlords.

On another note, have any Everton fans defended our resident paedophile?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 21, 2021, 12:47:15 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 21, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
Oh yeah, I can imagine socialist fans would have plenty to say about them being landlords.
Neville got plenty of stick from our lot for saying he was going to use the cash from his testimonial to build something for the fans, which turned out to be a hotel right next to Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on July 21, 2021, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 21, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
On another note, have any Everton fans defended our resident paedophile?

I suppose they might have been more inclined if they didn't already hate him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 21, 2021, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on July 21, 2021, 11:49:17 AM
Raheem Sterling pointed out a couple of years ago of the Daily Mail writing a very glowing piece about Phil Foden buying his mother a lovely new house while the not so pale Tosin Adarabioyo; a fellow graduate of the City academy system was being ridiculed by same publication around the same time for being an undeserved rich person splashing out all showingly on yet another house - that was for his mother. 

https://www.joe.ie/sport/raheem-sterling-speaks-abuse-chelsea-game-651027

It's even "funnier" when you remember them running a piece over Ainsley Maitland-Niles' (estranged) mother living in a Council flat whilst her son earned £30K A WEEK! (Or whatever he was on at the time)

Black player buys his mom a house = scandal.
Black player doesn't buy his mom a house = scandal.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Zambia 3 Netherlands 10 in what some people are describing as a match Clive
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 21, 2021, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Zambia 3 Netherlands 10 in what some people are describing as a match Clive

Highlights that shame women's football, I hate to say.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on July 22, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Good news Everton fans - Richarlison scores (for Brazil Under 23s).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DocDaneeka on July 22, 2021, 01:45:53 PM
3 nil down after 30 mins, this is the problem with allowing non football nations like Germany in the competition.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on July 22, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
Imagine losing to a country led by a guy with the hiccups.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 22, 2021, 06:57:52 PM
I can't believe Richy is only 24.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 25, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
Interesting end to Athlone v Waterford in the cup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACMD7cPOHi8&ab_channel=FAITV
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Dead Soon on July 25, 2021, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 25, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
Interesting end to Athlone v Waterford in the cup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACMD7cPOHi8&ab_channel=FAITV

Haha! I've always envisaged this happening at *some* point and that it exemplifies why your ''last gasp winner'' might not necessarily be so. Bayern in '99 could, and perhaps should, have done this. I think the closest in an elite game was Croatia - Turkey in Euro 2008, when Croatia scored at 119" and Turkey responded with a lumped long ball from virtually kick-off that the goalie fumbled.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Psybro on July 25, 2021, 02:00:17 PM
That reminds me of staying up late to watch Argentina v Peru in 2009 when Sky had the rights to CONMEBOL World Cup qualifying. A talented Argentina had struggled under the management of Cokehead Granpa and were only a point ahead of a fancied Uruguay who they had to play away in their final game. In the second half a rainstorm arrived that turned the corners into bogs and started completely obscuring the camera lenses.

They played shit as ever before going 2-1 up in stoppage time with a tap-in from the Argentine Darren Bent, Martin Palermo, leading to Maradona's famous belly slide celebration.  The TV director then almost missed Peru hitting the bar directly from the kick-off, a shot which would've looked likely to eliminate Argentina from the World Cup had it been inches lower.

Apologies for poor quality: https://youtu.be/iDumd4wFBTM

Anyway, in the end Argentina won in Uruguay and Maradona got to carry on with his shit for another few months.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 25, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
Joey Barton up to his usual japery: https://news.sky.com/story/joey-barton-bristol-rovers-manager-and-former-premier-league-footballer-charged-with-assault-after-woman-suffers-head-injury-12363558

Can this fuckhead just get cancelled already?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on July 25, 2021, 02:15:43 PM
Innocent till proven guilty. But obviously he's guilty.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 25, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 25, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
Joey Barton up to his usual japery: https://news.sky.com/story/joey-barton-bristol-rovers-manager-and-former-premier-league-footballer-charged-with-assault-after-woman-suffers-head-injury-12363558

Can this fuckhead just get cancelled already?

Disgrace how the media prop up violent thugs - no mention of his previous violent assaults, but they do mention he addressed the Cambridge Union, "the philosopher cunt"

Jail him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 25, 2021, 06:05:52 PM
Marcus Rashford is a cunt because he wears designer clothes, has sponsorship from corporations and owns property. But Joey Barton is just a poor misunderstood baby and likes the Smiths and everything.

How the cunt has a job as a manager is beyond me. He's incapable of acting like a human being.

On another note, I hope Fabian Delph sues the S*n.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 26, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
QuoteFormer England footballer Wayne Rooney has reported a range of photos taken of him to police, his lawyers have said.

The photos, which were shared widely on social media, appear to show the Derby County manager asleep in a chair with unknown women posing beside him.

It is not known when the images were taken and there is no suggestion Rooney has behaved in any way inappropriately.

The ex-Manchester United star's representatives confirmed the matter had been reported to police.

His lawyers have declined to comment on the nature of the images.

A Greater Manchester Police spokeswoman said the force was so far "not aware" the matter had been reported.

What's going on?! I really want to see these pictures now.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on July 26, 2021, 09:05:29 PM
Lass with her knickers disappearing up her arse while Rooneys sat slumped passed out in a chair
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 26, 2021, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on July 26, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
What's going on?! I really want to see these pictures now.

edit - actually link removed don't want to get anyone in trouble

(you can just type 'rooney pics' into twitter though)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on July 26, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
Irish media concerned more with Rooney injuring one of his own 8 players in training. Putting him out for 2 months and missing Irish internationals too.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 26, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
Coleen needs to get some dignity and dump the potato-faced troll. She won't though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 26, 2021, 11:16:23 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on July 26, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
Irish media concerned more with Rooney injuring one of his own 8 players in training. Putting him out for 2 months and missing Irish internationals too.

What an absolute bell.

"Hmm... I have fuck all senior players, so I'll haul my own fat backside into training and take out my captain."

World class management.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on July 26, 2021, 11:25:04 PM
KING ROON
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 12:05:57 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 26, 2021, 11:16:23 PM
What an absolute bell.

"Hmm... I have fuck all senior players, so I'll haul my own fat backside into training and take out my captain."

World class management.
How the fuck did he even become a manager?

Speaking of horrible people, John Terry wants be a manager too.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 27, 2021, 07:13:53 AM
Derby corrupts the incorruptible
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on July 27, 2021, 08:51:14 AM
Imagine being a footballer who just wants to get on with the game and your manager turns out to be a tabloid philanderer, or someone who injures their own players in training, or Joey fucking Barton.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 08:52:48 AM
"Please don't hurt me, boss."

Apart from Steven Gerrard, have any of the golden generation been successful as managers?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Glyn on July 27, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on July 27, 2021, 08:51:14 AM
Imagine being a footballer who just wants to get on with the game and your manager turns out to be a tabloid philanderer, or someone who injures their own players in training, or Joey fucking Barton.
A manager who can't be sacked due to a sponsorship deal with a betting company. What a mess.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on July 27, 2021, 05:34:10 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 08:52:48 AM
"Please don't hurt me, boss."

Apart from Steven Gerrard, have any of the golden generation been successful as managers?

(https://i.ibb.co/dptdzPk/gary-neville-valencia.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: Glyn on July 27, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
A manager who can't be sacked due to a sponsorship deal with a betting company. What a mess.
Seriously? That's beyond fucked up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 27, 2021, 07:59:39 PM
Sack him anyway and then jail him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 27, 2021, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 07:57:53 PM
Seriously? That's beyond fucked up.
Not that new, though. In the 80s, Swindon took up with a company who sponsored them on the condition they sacked the manager and replaced him with a player-manager with first division experience (who turned out to be Lou Macari).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 27, 2021, 09:05:18 PM
varane to united.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on July 27, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 27, 2021, 09:05:18 PM
varane to united.

I know it shouldn't really matter what other teams do but I was mildly pleased Arsenal are signing that Ben White, and then Utd go and sign a better defender for less money.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 27, 2021, 09:41:03 PM
United are buying posh sports cars and then getting Mr Magoo to drive them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 09:54:51 PM
Grandpa Cavani and Fernandes are the sole reason Solskjær's still in a job tbf.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on July 27, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
I assume Varane is getting paid an absolutely massive amount in comparison to White? Not sure how long it'd take make up that kind of difference though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 27, 2021, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: Mobius on July 27, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
I know it shouldn't really matter what other teams do but I was mildly pleased Arsenal are signing that Ben White, and then Utd go and sign a better defender for less money.

only one year left on contract i think. and he obviously wants to compete in the CL so that doesn't leave much choice (that or chelsea)

and english players' monetary value is massively inflated for some reason
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on July 27, 2021, 10:14:10 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 27, 2021, 09:58:04 PM
and english players' monetary value is massively inflated for some reason

Read that Trippier might have to leave Athletico as he's now a non EU player, could be the same thing in reverse?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 27, 2021, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 09:54:51 PM
Grandpa Cavani and Fernandes are the sole reason Solskjær's still in a job tbf.
I suspect signing the right players is a big part of what makes a manager successful.

From what I understand, however, he's also done a lot of work behind the scenes in terms of the youth ranks (neither van Gaal or Mourinho really give much of a fuck) and got rid of a fair bit of a dead wood - if he can bin off Pogba, for one, and bring in a strong DM to play alongside McTominay, then he's got a team that can win things.

Quote from: Jasha on July 27, 2021, 10:14:10 PM
Read that Trippier might have to leave Athletico as he's now a non EU player, could be the same thing in reverse?
He's been linked with United a bit, but I'd say that might be his agent(s) putting word about to drum up interest amongst other English clubs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 10:39:49 PM
If he's going to flog Phil Jones, I bet I know who will buy him.

Spoiler alert
Everton
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Being serious for a minute, Solskjær focusing on youth doesn't surprise me, since he's seen what it did for Fergie.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on July 27, 2021, 10:51:32 PM
Fergie was good at football management though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 27, 2021, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 27, 2021, 10:39:49 PMBeing serious for a minute, Solskjær focusing on youth doesn't surprise me, since he's seen what it did for Fergie.
He also worked in that capacity at United right after his playing days ended. At best, you hope you can bring through a player every couple of years who can make an impact and United have had that (Rashford, McTominay, Greenwood). Current hopes for me would be on James Garner, though I'd say he'll be out on loan again this year. Henderson could have been first choice keeper, but appears to have lost the confidence of the manager and I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved on to raise funds.

One thing Solskjaer does deserve credit for is turning Luke Shaw from a joke into one of the best full backs in the league. He might have tits, but he was exceptional for most of last season and I put a lot of that down to the manager.

Phil Jones should be back ploughing fields in his native North Lancashire. That he's now ten years into his United career is staggering.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 27, 2021, 10:56:25 PM
I don't buy this thing about Ole bringing in youth players in. Ole hasn't brought any academy players into the first team of note aside from Greenwood and Williams, the latter of which hardly played last season.

Rashford and Andreas Pereira was brought into the first team by Van Gaal (and much like Ole, he also played some pretty rubbish youth players occasionally who have now gone to lower league clubs). McTominay and Tuanzebe were brought into the first team by Mourinho.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 27, 2021, 10:56:02 PM
He also worked in that capacity at United right after his playing days ended. At best, you hope you can bring through a player every couple of years who can make an impact and United have had that (Rashford, McTominay, Greenwood). Current hopes for me would be on James Garner, though I'd say he'll be out on loan again this year. Henderson could have been first choice keeper, but appears to have lost the confidence of the manager and I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved on to raise funds.

One thing Solskjaer does deserve credit for is turning Luke Shaw from a joke into one of the best full backs in the league. He might have tits, but he was exceptional for most of last season and I put a lot of that down to the manager.

Phil Jones should be back ploughing fields in his native North Lancashire. That he's now ten years into his United career is staggering.
It probably helps that Shaw doesn't have Mourinho picking on him all the time. Mourinho is weirdly obsessed with him for some reason.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 09:16:12 AM
It probably helps that Shaw doesn't have Mourinho picking on him all the time. Mourinho is weirdly obsessed with him for some reason.

He picks one player to scapegoat in the team. Like Alli at Spurs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 09:30:42 AM
So I heard. Who was his victim at Chelsea? Apparently some managers like to do that, pick on a random player just to show the squad who's boss. Koeman did exactly the same thing to Oumar Niasse, who was shite but really did not deserve that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 28, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
Maybe it's just that Solksjaer is neither awful or amazing and irritated both sides of the debate by being not good enough but no longer so crap to have any fun with anymore.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 28, 2021, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 28, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
Maybe it's just that Solksjaer is neither awful or amazing and irritated both sides of the debate by being not good enough but no longer so crap to have any fun with anymore.
Speaking as a United fan, I'm broadly happy with what he's done so far and feel more confident of the future than I did under the last two managers. He's got his limitations (mainly around the timing of his subs) that I feel could be largely solved if he had a strong, experienced assistant next to him on the bench. We've bottled it too much in crunch cup games, but finishing 3rd and 2nd in the league is a good showing and when the team does click (ie the 6-2 vs Roma), we're as exciting to watch than we have been since 2008.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on July 28, 2021, 03:40:31 PM
Yeah, apart from consistently making successful signings, getting improved performances out of players who were underperforming previously and generally improving both the style of play and the results, what has Solskjaer done for United?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on July 28, 2021, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 09:30:42 AM
So I heard. Who was his victim at Chelsea?

De Bruyne and Mata
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thugler on July 28, 2021, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on July 28, 2021, 03:40:31 PM
Yeah, apart from consistently making successful signings, getting improved performances out of players who were underperforming previously and generally improving both the style of play and the results, what has Solskjaer done for United?

With the resources and talent they have, Utd should be challenging for the league every season. And they ain't. That's the issue basically. It's not hard to imagine a really top class coach getting more out of the team.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 06:27:05 PM
Delph trying his hardest to be the most hated 31-year-old married international at Everton by spouting off anti-vax views again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 07:27:57 PM
Everton are the gift that keeps on giving. At this rate Michael Keane's going to admit to shagging goats or something.

Delph is a fine one to talk about health anyway, he's the biggest injury magnet in the squad. What depresses me, though, is the amount of people who AGREE WITH HIM. Does he have a track record for this?
Quote from: Inspector Norse on July 28, 2021, 04:20:06 PM
De Bruyne and Mata
I'd forgotten about his Mata hateboner. KDB at least had the last laugh by going to City.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 28, 2021, 07:38:34 PM
Mourinho sold us Mata knowing it would fuck up his career, then had to go through the same experience himself as part of his slide into irrelevance.

Always felt sorry for little Juan, who has always tried his best for us (and seems an all-round lovely chap) but spent his peak years shunted out wide right - despite a total lack of pace - by managers who just weren't right for the club but given the job by a Chief Exec desperate to be seen as big time.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on July 28, 2021, 07:40:10 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 07:27:57 PM
Everton are the gift that keeps on giving. At this rate Michael Keane's going to admit to shagging goats or something.

Delph is a fine one to talk about health anyway, he's the biggest injury magnet in the squad. What depresses me, though, is the amount of people who AGREE WITH HIM. Does he have a track record for this? I'd forgotten about his Mata hateboner. KDB at least had the last laugh by going to City.

I reckon he can't string out the injury excuses any more so he's refusing the vax so he won't be allowed to play or train with the first team.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 07:53:00 PM
The few times I saw Man United play under Mourinho, Mata was one of the players I was impressed with.

Badaids, if I was Rafa I'd refuse to let him anywhere near the first team. He can fucking well train on his own if he's not going to suck it up and get the jab. It's not fair on the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
I think the rules completely forbid any player training/playing without the jab (unless medically exempt, which is unlikely for footballers, I imagine). I might be misremembering though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 28, 2021, 08:33:36 PM
It's no big loss to Everton, he never plays anyway with that amazing immune system of his.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on July 28, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
Quote from: thugler on July 28, 2021, 05:57:26 PM
With the resources and talent they have, Utd should be challenging for the league every season. And they ain't. That's the issue basically. It's not hard to imagine a really top class coach getting more out of the team.

I dunno, I think that there's a lot of mediocrity in and around the first team: the likes of Fred, Bailly, James aren't winning you any titles while others like Martial, Pogba and Rashford are far too inconsistent and Matic, De Gea and one or two others are past it. They're also in gazillions of pounds of debt so where they get the resources to sign major names like Varane and Sancho I don't know. Solskjaer has done as well as can be expected with the mess of a squad he's had and the biggest question mark has been over recruitment, which was Woodward's thing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 28, 2021, 10:13:46 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on July 28, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
I dunno, I think that there's a lot of mediocrity in and around the first team: the likes of Fred, Bailly, James aren't winning you any titles while others like Martial, Pogba and Rashford are far too inconsistent and Matic, De Gea and one or two others are past it. They're also in gazillions of pounds of debt so where they get the resources to sign major names like Varane and Sancho I don't know. Solskjaer has done as well as can be expected with the mess of a squad he's had and the biggest question mark has been over recruitment, which was Woodward's thing.

The debt is artificial. They could easily pay it off if they wanted to but instead they pay interest and dividends to the owners.

Fred, Bailly, Lindelof, Martial and Pogba arrived for huge fees so they clearly have talent. If there was a competent manager in charge, they would be playing better more consistently. One or two players arriving for big money and flopping is one thing but five or six is something different (although Martial isn't really a flop and Pogba is only a flop in relation to the ridiculous price paid for him as with Maguire). De Gea has been replaced with Henderson who was one of the best keepers in the league the season before but seems to have been mismanaged by being chopped and changed in the side.

They have the biggest wage budget aside from Chelsea* in the league and the biggest net spend. Yet they got knocked out of the CL by gifting Demba Ba the whole of their own half and lost the Europa League final to a team who have never won a trophy in their history.

*that one might be worth a pinch of salt though because City have their dodgy ways of keeping wages off the books.

Whilst United have vast resources so they can overpay on players who are talented but not really worth the ridiculous money, I'm happy. If there was a competent manager at United, I'd be really worried about Varane and Sancho arriving but as things stand, Ole is at the wheel.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on July 28, 2021, 10:22:35 PM
Celtic's champions league disco lights gather dust for another year
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SullySullivan85 on July 29, 2021, 02:55:28 AM
Great news.  Good riddance.

And I'd have expected, and couldn't have complained about exactly the same consequences if I acted like that at 17, too. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/28/portsmouth-release-three-players-after-investigation-into-discriminatory-texts 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 29, 2021, 03:11:56 AM
They're old enough to know better.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 29, 2021, 07:04:32 AM
RIP Andrew Devine. Another murder at the hands of the English establishment
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 29, 2021, 08:00:49 AM
Classic Celtic. I thought there was a fair chance they'd be beaten.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 29, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
Celtic are the Labour Party of Scottish football now
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on July 29, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Celtic's XI last night was barely good enough for the League Cup, never mind crucial European qualifiers.

Not bothered about the chance to be skelped 5-0 by PSG anyway, because this year I see Celtic going the distance in the UEFA Europa[nb]Conference[/nb] League.

Bring it home, Ange! 🦘
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mr. logic on July 29, 2021, 02:31:42 PM
Hang on. PSG are in the qualifying rounds? How's that happened?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on July 29, 2021, 02:45:59 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 29, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
Celtic are the Labour Party of Scottish football now

They're really not. I'll still support them no matter what. Unlike that bunch of crooks who will quite possibly never get my vote again for the remainder of my life.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 29, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Jockice on July 29, 2021, 02:45:59 PM
They're really not. I'll still support them no matter what. Unlike that bunch of crooks who will quite possibly never get my vote again for the remainder of my life.

Bit harsh on Celtic.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 29, 2021, 07:07:02 PM
Does that make Steven Gerrard Nicola Sturgeon?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thugler on July 30, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on July 28, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
I dunno, I think that there's a lot of mediocrity in and around the first team: the likes of Fred, Bailly, James aren't winning you any titles while others like Martial, Pogba and Rashford are far too inconsistent and Matic, De Gea and one or two others are past it. They're also in gazillions of pounds of debt so where they get the resources to sign major names like Varane and Sancho I don't know. Solskjaer has done as well as can be expected with the mess of a squad he's had and the biggest question mark has been over recruitment, which was Woodward's thing.

Fred Bailly and James are more than good enough for 3rd choice in their positions (Fred is actually not nearly as bad as people make out and quite decent at times). Pogba and Rashford are both pretty great players and it's absolutely the managers job to figure out how to get the most out of them. Martial is not great but needn't be first choice. They've spent in very stupid ways but still have a very decent squad and should be right up there I think. Sancho alone is going to be a superstar and should be enough to get them closer with City.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 30, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: thugler on July 30, 2021, 03:06:24 PMPogba and Rashford are both pretty great players and it's absolutely the managers job to figure out how to get the most out of them. Martial is not great but needn't be first choice. They've spent in very stupid ways but still have a very decent squad and should be right up there I think. Sancho alone is going to be a superstar and should be enough to get them closer with City.
Pogba could (perhaps) be a decent player, but doesn't have the attitude to graft for it. I'd be overjoyed if we sold him this Summer. It's also the manager's job to know when a player is a lost cause and needs cutting loose - as is very much the case here. He lacks the discipline to play deeper in midfield (gives away free kicks/pens, too often caught in possession when trying to waltz forward in an over-casual fashion), he isn't as effective as Fernandes further forward and offers very little wide left.

I look forward to the day he, and his toxic agent, are gone from Old Trafford and I don't know any other United fan who feels different. Quite possibly the least popular player we've had since Neil Webb.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 30, 2021, 06:33:53 PM
I read some bullshit about Raiola calling Klopp a piece of shit over the possibility of Pogba going to Liverpool. Why would they want him anyway?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 30, 2021, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on July 30, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Pogba could (perhaps) be a decent player, but doesn't have the attitude to graft for it. I'd be overjoyed if we sold him this Summer. It's also the manager's job to know when a player is a lost cause and needs cutting loose - as is very much the case here. He lacks the discipline to play deeper in midfield (gives away free kicks/pens, too often caught in possession when trying to waltz forward in an over-casual fashion), he isn't as effective as Fernandes further forward and offers very little wide left.

I look forward to the day he, and his toxic agent, are gone from Old Trafford and I don't know any other United fan who feels different. Quite possibly the least popular player we've had since Neil Webb.

you don't deserve him, that's all there is to it
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on July 30, 2021, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on July 30, 2021, 06:33:53 PM
I read some bullshit about Raiola calling Klopp a piece of shit over the possibility of Pogba going to Liverpool. Why would they want him anyway?

Wages would break the structure at the club alone.

Plus why would we want a midfielder with quality but who is regularly injured when we already have Keita and The Ox.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 30, 2021, 10:27:16 PM
City bid £100m for Grealish apparently.

lol.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 30, 2021, 10:29:11 PM
madness. really the last player they need
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 30, 2021, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 30, 2021, 10:29:11 PM
madness. really the last player they need

That's what makes it funny (well, along with the fact they're making a mockery of FFP. And Grealish doesn't seem like an efficient way to spend £100m).

Maybe they can sign Oblak for £80m to be a marginal improvement on Ederson next.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 30, 2021, 10:37:57 PM
the fpf is dead this year, uefa desperately wants to see some cash flowing
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on July 30, 2021, 11:17:04 PM
What exactly are the rules of financial fair play?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 31, 2021, 01:36:09 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 30, 2021, 06:38:35 PM
Wages would break the structure at the club alone.

Plus why would we want a midfielder with quality but who is regularly injured when we already have Keita and The Ox.
It's probably BS anyway.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on July 31, 2021, 01:40:06 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on July 30, 2021, 11:17:04 PM
What exactly are the rules of financial fair play?

Every time the big clubs spunk an absurd amount on an average player UEFA claps and goes "fair play".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on July 31, 2021, 01:55:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 30, 2021, 10:32:50 PM


Maybe they can sign Oblak for £80m

He was a great player but must be past his best by now?

https://youtu.be/XDWOXwV3mi4 (https://youtu.be/XDWOXwV3mi4)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 31, 2021, 10:41:38 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on July 30, 2021, 11:17:04 PM
What exactly are the rules of financial fair play?

It specifies that only certain things (Gate receipts, TV money, prize money, sponsorship, sale of players or tangible assets, merchandising etc.) can be counted as valid income for the club and that and the owner can't just write the club a big fuck off cheque every now and then to keep it running. Or write one to buy a cheating winger with shit hair. There's also rules about how much of a loss the club can run at over a rolling 3 year period.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 31, 2021, 10:44:13 AM
Celtic B vs Berwick Rangers in the Lowland League.

Celtic B?

Pyramid system will soon become the oblong system.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on July 31, 2021, 11:07:29 AM
Every time Sheffield Wednesday break a rule, they sacrifice a player to the football gods.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on July 31, 2021, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 31, 2021, 10:44:13 AM
Celtic B vs Berwick Rangers in the Lowland League.

Celtic B?

Pyramid system will soon become the oblong system.

Will make the system look a bit (even more) crap if the celtic and rangers b teams immediately start dominating and climbing up the leagues
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 31, 2021, 02:17:58 PM
Celtic B 5 - 1 FC Midtjylland
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on July 31, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Celtic B were beaten by Bonnyrigg Rose recently so not expecting them to dominate just yet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on July 31, 2021, 09:53:04 PM
leon bailey for 40 mil (lol) to aston villa so i'm guessing they're assured they're going to sell grealish
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on July 31, 2021, 09:55:14 PM
Celtic A meanwhile, further lolz.

Against a Hearts side I'm not convinced will finish top 6.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 31, 2021, 10:31:19 PM
2 in a row already for Stevie G's men
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on July 31, 2021, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 31, 2021, 10:31:19 PM
2 in a row already for Stevie G's men

Celtic ought to be shitting themselves about the Stevie G in charge of Aberdeen at this point.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 01, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
Be good to have Celtic in the wilderness for a few years. Give some thought of how to change their behaviour.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 01, 2021, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 01, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
Be good to have Celtic in the wilderness for a few years. Give some thought of how to change their behaviour.

I think we've already changed our behaviour in regards to winning things. What more do you want?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 01, 2021, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on August 01, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
Be good to have Celtic in the wilderness for a few years. Give some thought of how to change their behaviour.

Given they're my second most hated team I'd agree save for the fact that it allows my top most hated team free rein to win everything.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 01, 2021, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: Jockice on August 01, 2021, 02:32:03 PM
I think we've already changed our behaviour in regards to winning things. What more do you want?

Just the passion of 2001-2004.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on August 02, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: jamiefairlie on August 01, 2021, 04:37:31 PM
Given they're my second most hated team I'd agree save for the fact that it allows my top most hated team free rein to win everything.

Motherwell?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 02, 2021, 01:11:19 PM
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on August 02, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
Motherwell?

She's fine, thanks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 02, 2021, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on August 02, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
Motherwell?

I actually like the 'well, our local rivalry is fairly jocular as we're both a bit shit and we know it. Not quite as bad as Arbroath and Montrose mind 😟
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kitsofan34 on August 02, 2021, 04:33:20 PM
Has anyone seen any of these multi episode documentary series about football teams (Leeds, Spurs, Sunderland) and are any worthy of watching?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poobum on August 02, 2021, 04:43:52 PM
Watched the Sunderland one and really liked it, but then I take disproportionate glee from Sunderland's continual basketcasery and failure. Like the Leeds one but am Leeds fan which may explain propensity to spite.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 02, 2021, 04:47:26 PM
The Sunderland one is depressing, though if you're a Geordie you'll probably find it hilarious. I liked what I saw of the Man City one.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 02, 2021, 04:49:13 PM
There is a funny bit near the end of the Sunderland one where Coleman get's accosted outside the stadium by a fan and starts chopsing and Coleman says something like "I'm a married man with kids!".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poobum on August 02, 2021, 04:55:39 PM
I enjoyed the bluff bravado of the guy in charge of Sunderland slowly changing to exasperated helplessness as he realizes the horrible shit show he's involved with. His genuine upset at not being able to get Jack Rodwell off the books almost made me sympathetic for like half a second before I was back to happily shoving cheese puffs into my face as it all continued to collapse.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 03, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
I liked that one the BBC did of Peter Reid-era Sunderland in the nineties.

Wish they'd do a lower/ non league one (Salford don't count). I really couldn't give the slightest shit about seeing Pep Guardiola talking to Kyle Walker.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 03, 2021, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 03, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
I liked that one the BBC did of Peter Reid-era Sunderland in the nineties.

Premier Passions!

Last time I checked it's all on YouTube.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 03, 2021, 07:10:20 PM
I remember one about Sheffield United (I think it was just called 'United!') from around 1990, during their run-in to getting promoted to the old First Division. Dave Bassett tended to swear quite a lot, or at least it seemed so to the nine-year-old me.

It's probably been done, but one about a non-league side might be interesting, focused on the people who give up huge chunks of their lives to keeping the club running. And you have examples of teams like Workington, where most of the playing squad never step foot in the town except on match days, because they live 100 odd miles away.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 03, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Isn't there one about Leyton Orient where they put a former player in charge who's so ass backwards in his approach that Colin Wanker would cringe, ranting at the players in the dressing room and threatening to assault or sack them for disrespecting him. And he won like 3 games out of 20 or something atrocious bad like that.

I'd love for one of the players to say "Well I'll respect you when you've shown management skills beyond the ability to shout and swear, you miserable alehouse twat. We haven't won a game under you yet, you fucking cuntybollocks. Wanna fight about it? Let's go."
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 03, 2021, 07:29:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 03, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Isn't there one about Leyton Orient where they put a former player in charge who's so ass backwards in his approach that Colin Wanker would cringe, ranting at the players in the dressing room and threatening to assault or sack them for disrespecting him. And he won like 3 games out of 20 or something atrocious bad like that.

I'd love for one of the players to say "Well I'll respect you when you've shown management skills beyond the ability to shout and swear, you miserable alehouse twat. We haven't won a game under you yet, you fucking cuntybollocks. Wanna fight about it? Let's go."

Yeah, "Club for a Fiver" with the infamous Sitton rant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVj45yN72uU&ab_channel=OpenMedia
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 03, 2021, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 03, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Isn't there one about Leyton Orient where they put a former player in charge who's so ass backwards in his approach that Colin Wanker would cringe, ranting at the players in the dressing room and threatening to assault or sack them for disrespecting him. And he won like 3 games out of 20 or something atrocious bad like that.

I'd love for one of the players to say "Well I'll respect you when you've shown management skills beyond the ability to shout and swear, you miserable alehouse twat. We haven't won a game under you yet, you fucking cuntybollocks. Wanna fight about it? Let's go."

There was a good BBC (i think) one in the 90s about an American-football manager who was appointed at a desperate and sinking Chester City, and tried to port across all kinds of Grid Iron things such as splitting the team into a Defense team and Offense team, with a different on field captain for each, and complicated on field set plays. It was of course a complete disaster and hilarious to watch the lumbering 4th division journeymen gambolling around just trying to understand what this Vic and Bob stereotype was on about.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 08:05:19 PM
Look, just watch "Warnock" or "Big Ron Manager" as these are, i think, the best of them. The first series of the Sunderland one was good, the second was quite a bit shitter as everyone was a lot cagier. I have memories of watching a Partick Thistle one that was OK, but I can't remember what it was called.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: badaids on August 03, 2021, 07:45:07 PM
There was a good BBC (i think) one in the 90s about an American-football manager who was appointed at a desperate and sinking Chester City, and tried to port across all kinds of Grid Iron things such as splitting the team into a Defense team and Offense team, with a different on field captain for each, and complicated on field set plays. It was of course a complete disaster and hilarious to watch the lumbering 4th division journeymen gambolling around just trying to understand what this Vic and Bob stereotype was on about.

Terry Smith. He was basically a yank Michael Knighton, as in he bought the club then installed himself as manager.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 03, 2021, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 03, 2021, 07:10:20 PM
I remember one about Sheffield United (I think it was just called 'United!') from around 1990, during their run-in to getting promoted to the old First Division. Dave Bassett tended to swear quite a lot, or at least it seemed so to the nine-year-old me.

My clearest memory of that was a scene where Bassett was having a shave while talking to someone. He wasn't even looking at his face!. If I ever tried anything like that it would be a bloodbath.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 03, 2021, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 03, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
Terry Smith. He was basically a yank Michael Knighton, as in he bought the club then installed himself as manager.
Knighton managed to get the first step right: he hired a good coach (Mick Wadsworth) and decent players were brought in, like David Reeves, Tony Gallimore and Derek Mountfield. After years of being at the bottom of the whole league, they got promoted top of the table and made it to the Auto Windscreens Final. That was the point Knighton went a bit mental and started making all the wrong decisions, culminating (as you say) a few years later with making himself manager.

His lasting legacy at the club is the lopsided stand that doesn't match where the actual pitch is, as they've still not round to replacing the other sides of the ground. 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 03, 2021, 08:52:16 PM
I haven't been to Brunton Park for approaching 45 years but I  always drive past it on family visits and am very tempted to go someday. Of course when I went to see them they were in the top division. That's not likely to ever happen again. But I was there!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sprocket on August 03, 2021, 09:07:57 PM
On the subject of the Mighty Carlisle United, there was a documentary on Roddy Collins' time there.

https://vimeo.com/66892977
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Stone Cold Steve Austin on August 04, 2021, 04:14:52 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 02, 2021, 04:49:13 PM
There is a funny bit near the end of the Sunderland one where Coleman get's accosted outside the stadium by a fan and starts chopsing and Coleman says something like "I'm a married man with kids!".

https://twitter.com/Nozza_/status/1245235938298642432
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 04, 2021, 06:26:25 PM
sparta prague supporters have done a racism (monkey noises when tchouaméni scored). ban the cunts from all european competitions (along with the slavia)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 04, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: chveik on August 04, 2021, 06:26:25 PM
sparta prague supporters have done a racism (monkey noises when tchouaméni scored). ban the cunts from all european competitions (along with the slavia)

Agreed. But unfortunately UEFA will slap them with a fine, maybe make them play a game or two with no crowd (oh no, however will a football club manage with no fans in the stadium?) and tell them they were very bold and that they're not to do it again.

Bohemians beat PAOK yesterday, which falls under "that's not really supposed to happen." There is the away leg to go though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 04, 2021, 06:55:49 PM
Talk Shite have gone and done a anti-Semitic whoopsy. Ban the cunts from covering all football competitions.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 04, 2021, 07:22:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 03, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Isn't there one about Leyton Orient where they put a former player in charge who's so ass backwards in his approach that Colin Wanker would cringe, ranting at the players in the dressing room and threatening to assault or sack them for disrespecting him. And he won like 3 games out of 20 or something atrocious bad like that.

I'd love for one of the players to say "Well I'll respect you when you've shown management skills beyond the ability to shout and swear, you miserable alehouse twat. We haven't won a game under you yet, you fucking cuntybollocks. Wanna fight about it? Let's go."
Yes. And someone needs to tell Everton football fans that screaming and swearing does not a good manager make.
Quote from: JamesTC on August 04, 2021, 06:55:49 PM
Talk Shite have gone and done a anti-Semitic whoopsy. Ban the cunts from covering all football competitions.
Wtf?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 04, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
John Sitton, who is now a black cab driver with a chip on his shoulder about how he can't get work in football. He occasionally pops up on Talk Sport and the odd podcast here and there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 04, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
https://talksport.com/football/921497/talksport-response-offensive-remark-about-tottenham-chairman-daniel-levy/
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Vitamin C on August 04, 2021, 09:04:43 PM
Villa appear to be doing a "Gareth Bale money" with the Grealish funds before they've even sold the bloke. This is all going to go horribly tits up isn't it?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 04, 2021, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Vitamin C on August 04, 2021, 09:04:43 PM
Villa appear to be doing a "Gareth Bale money" with the Grealish funds before they've even sold the bloke. This is all going to go horribly tits up isn't it?

Nah it's looking good; Buendia, Leon Bailey, Watkins, Ings is a pretty sweet line up
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 04, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Uncle TechTip on August 04, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
https://talksport.com/football/921497/talksport-response-offensive-remark-about-tottenham-chairman-daniel-levy/
Classy. Real classy. Of course, it's to be expected, Levy is a bit tight so therefore idiots are going to make Jew jokes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 04, 2021, 10:56:22 PM
looks like Fofana has had his leg snapped in a pre-season friendly against Villareal

graphic challenge btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHIfDaE4ypg&ab_channel=Benedict

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 04, 2021, 11:25:49 PM
Leicester apparently considered signing Kabak earlier in the window. Think they might push ahead with the deal now. Would be happy for him as he deserves to be playing for a big club.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 04, 2021, 11:32:17 PM
"there was no contact"

what a sick joke
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 05, 2021, 12:03:02 AM
Went for the ball.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 05, 2021, 06:39:38 AM
FUT 22 data leaked

virgil got single figures for pace

Oof.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 05, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
the thicko that injured fofana didn't get a red. and you can clearly see it was intentional
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thehungerartist on August 05, 2021, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 05, 2021, 06:39:38 AM
FUT 22 data leaked

virgil got single figures for pace

Oof.

Harsh. The fella survived a T-Rex attack.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 05, 2021, 06:32:49 PM
Partey got fucked in a friendly and Arsenal have given Xhaka a new contract FUCK SAKE
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 05, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Messi leaving Barcelona CONFIRMED.

Kane must be sweating like a cunt in a Florida hotel room right now.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 05, 2021, 07:13:02 PM
The EPL will never be the same again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 05, 2021, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on August 05, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Messi leaving Barcelona CONFIRMED.

Kane must be sweating like a cunt in a Florida hotel room right now.

Kane somehow bottling his big money move just shows he has Spurs running through his veins.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: A Hat Like That on August 05, 2021, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: badaids on August 03, 2021, 07:45:07 PM
There was a good BBC (i think) one in the 90s about an American-football manager who was appointed at a desperate and sinking Chester City, and tried to port across all kinds of Grid Iron things such as splitting the team into a Defense team and Offense team, with a different on field captain for each, and complicated on field set plays. It was of course a complete disaster and hilarious to watch the lumbering 4th division journeymen gambolling around just trying to understand what this Vic and Bob stereotype was on about.

Terry Smith

My neighbour played american football for GB in the late 80s early 90s and his path crossed with Terry's. He does not have a single good word to say about him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poobum on August 05, 2021, 08:00:36 PM
He was such a "golly, gosh, darn" stereotype that if you wrote a character like him you'd be called a hack. Loved that his second in command went back to managing a girl band.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 05, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on August 05, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Messi leaving Barcelona CONFIRMED.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8DDRTKXIAc-1q4?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 05, 2021, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: Mobius on August 05, 2021, 06:32:49 PM
Partey got fucked in a friendly and Arsenal have given Xhaka a new contract FUCK SAKE

lol. a good game during the euro was enough. weren't they going to buy a new midfielder anyway? i guess their actions are inaccessible to the common man
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 05, 2021, 08:21:40 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on August 05, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Messi leaving Barcelona CONFIRMED.

Kane must be sweating like a cunt in a Florida hotel room right now.

rumour (possibly very silly) says that that's because he wanted Romero to come. Spurs are doing some 4D chess
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 05, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
Spurs always sell.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 05, 2021, 08:48:14 PM
The big tournament of the summer has reached the quarter final stage.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8DSAhfWUAIw729?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on August 05, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Young Mick Phillpot second bottom on the right
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 05, 2021, 09:19:21 PM
Barcelona are basically just a big Derby County right now.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 05, 2021, 09:25:17 PM
Damn those "financial obstacles" that mean you can't sign the best player in the world when you're £1.2 billion in the hole.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 05, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
TNS hammering the shit out of Plzen right now, oggy oggy Oswestry!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 05, 2021, 11:11:38 PM
Should go in the Euros thread really but there's a glorious article by Taylor Parkes in the new WSC about ITV's coverage of the event. Might try and post a photo or two if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 05, 2021, 11:14:41 PM
interested
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 06, 2021, 04:33:58 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 05, 2021, 11:11:38 PM
Should go in the Euros thread really but there's a glorious article by Taylor Parkes in the new WSC about ITV's coverage of the event. Might try and post a photo or two if anyone's interested.

Oh, yes please!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 06, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
Hope these work ok. Feel a bit bad about this as WSC is (or at least was) apparently struggling. It's a dead good issue if you do see it in the shops, Euro and new season supplements.

(https://scontent.flba3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/229382754_10158191065970267_7451297687659121987_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=e35L2BpxCVEAX89puA_&_nc_ht=scontent.flba3-2.fna&oh=2aa01b0e3a68b93b5a62a33e9023f876&oe=613455EB)
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(https://scontent.flba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/233414520_10158191066245267_6983474240902916552_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ef5Gk3QPO7cAX-vCPzd&tn=WhXzcNNHrzaBYjPY&_nc_ht=scontent.flba3-1.fna&oh=ed86b3951f0f1ee333167403d3f2e650&oe=6134105E)
(https://scontent.flba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/232981136_10158191066170267_3818579822145245656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=QO-El7HwCJwAX8hg1cn&_nc_ht=scontent.flba3-1.fna&oh=7f8f74b49f2b4655aa729d4ea2376bf5&oe=6132A268)
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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 06, 2021, 09:00:20 AM
cheers. I'm getting a flight later so I'll buy it from the shop.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 06, 2021, 09:02:27 AM
Already laughing at the description of Pougatch looking like
Spoiler alert
"a ventriloquist murdered by his own dummy"
[close]
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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Norton Canes on August 06, 2021, 09:34:54 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 06, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
Hope these work ok. Feel a bit bad about this as WSC is (or at least was) apparently struggling. It's a dead good issue if you do see it in the shops, Euro and new season supplements

Thanks for highlighting it, anyway - I browsed through my copy of their Euros review and totally missed it had something by Taylor. It would have probably ended up in the recycling soon without me ever noticing
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 06, 2021, 10:16:22 AM
I don't think he comes on here any more so it's ok to gush over him (so to speak) but he is such a good writer. It feels like he's wasted on niche publications like WSC and tQ. Imagine a world where he made it massive rather than Caitlyn Moran.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 06, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Grealish on £369,231 per week at Man City.
I'm lucky if I earn that in a year!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 06, 2021, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on August 06, 2021, 09:34:54 AM
Thanks for highlighting it, anyway - I browsed through my copy of their Euros review and totally missed it had something by Taylor. It would have probably ended up in the recycling soon without me ever noticing

I subscribe to WSC, so I'm looking forward to reading this. However, I've been disappointed by WSC a lot the last few years. It's getting dryer and dryer which I put on most of the writers. Stubbs, Al and Taylor hardly ever feature anymore. I'm not sure I'll subscribe again when the the time comes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: boki on August 06, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 06, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Grealish on £369,231 per week at Man City.
I'm lucky if I earn that in a year!
And to think the poor schmucks on You've Been Framed just get a one-off £250 to fall over in public.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 06, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 06, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Grealish on £369,231 per week at Man City.
I'm lucky if I earn that in a year!

How many nurses could that fund a year?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 12:24:48 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 06, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
How many nurses could that fund a year?

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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 06, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
Wouldn't mind getting treated at that hospital!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 06, 2021, 02:44:31 PM
Has Messi found a home yet?

Also, the Emma Hayes quote from Clive makes me cringe. Even if she does look like she could arm wrestle Gareth Southgate under the table.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poobum on August 06, 2021, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 06, 2021, 02:44:31 PM
Has Messi found a home yet?


Al Sadd would be my guess, he seems like one of those twats.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 06, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
most likely psg. hope there's still time to renegociate the tv rights for ligue 1
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: GMTV on August 06, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
The ally mccoist line from that article is absolutely brilliant
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on August 06, 2021, 05:38:52 PM
Town have just released their squad numbers and we've only gone and given Edward Sheeran the number 17 shirt. Nobody can say he doesn't deserve it. He is 30 now but can probably do a job in League One.

Paul Cook has genuinely said this:

Quote from: scouse accentHopefully he's going to be in the official team group as well. The players will love that and if we can show on the pitch the creativity that Ed shows with his music, we will do okay this season!

What is the point of being alive
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 06:23:43 PM
Aw how cute, doesn't that just make you want to dive headfirst into the nearest hole bored into the ground by a sex starved paedo and die.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 06, 2021, 06:35:03 PM
the ligue 1's back tonight, pretty good transfer window overall, not many promising talents have left so far, could be quite interesting tactically with new coaches like bosz and petkovic.

i doubt anyone here is truly interested but fuck it
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 06, 2021, 06:54:01 PM
Quote from: Crabwalk on August 06, 2021, 05:38:52 PM
Town have just released their squad numbers and we've only gone and given Edward Sheeran the number 17 shirt. Nobody can say he doesn't deserve it. He is 30 now but can probably do a job in League One.

Paul Cook has genuinely said this:

What is the point of being alive
Going daaaaaahn.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 06, 2021, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: Crabwalk on August 06, 2021, 05:38:52 PM
Town have just released their squad numbers and we've only gone and given Edward Sheeran the number 17 shirt. Nobody can say he doesn't deserve it. He is 30 now but can probably do a job in League One.

Derby would probably start him tomorrow considering the shit their squad is in.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 06, 2021, 09:26:18 PM
it's going to be weird to watch messi play against lorient and clermont in the middle of winter
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 06, 2021, 10:31:33 PM
Championship so much fun one game back. And just let referee make a host of mistakes rather than VAR doing it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 06, 2021, 11:34:07 PM
Sheffield Wednesday's first league game as a League 1 team tomorrow. Feels bad, man. At least I have another week until Everton start disappointing me again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Beagle 2 on August 07, 2021, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 06, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
Hope these work ok. Feel a bit bad about this as WSC is (or at least was) apparently struggling. It's a dead good issue if you do see it in the shops, Euro and new season supplements.


Thanks so much for this, absolutely loved it. I will buy it tomorrow, I've just got out of the habit of buying magazines full stop but WSC rarely lets me down.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 07, 2021, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: badaids on August 06, 2021, 12:01:24 PM
I subscribe to WSC, so I'm looking forward to reading this. However, I've been disappointed by WSC a lot the last few years. It's getting dryer and dryer which I put on most of the writers. Stubbs, Al and Taylor hardly ever feature anymore. I'm not sure I'll subscribe again when the the time comes.

This is why I stopped subscribing. The mix between serious articles and humour seems to have gone awry. I'll probably buy this issue though as I do like the season previews.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 07, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
Bought WSC and the Euro review supplement is good and mostly funny. The article about BBC's coverage almost as good as the Taylor Parkes one.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 07, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
Benitez has already begun to destroy Everton from within.

WHY IS FABIAN DELPH STILL PLAYING FOR US. Fucking diseased twat. Lingard has COVID, maybe he can give Lingard some medical advice.

ETA: at least hopefully this is going to be the season when I quit football for good, or at least PL football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on August 07, 2021, 02:32:10 PM
Rangers lolz
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 07, 2021, 02:32:35 PM
Delph should be down the dog pound, waiting in vain for one more home before being humanely destroyed.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
Severe side parting for Merson. He looks like a demented Ukranian particle theorist but with no intelligence or motor function.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 07, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
I can't fucking do this anymore. I know it's only a friendly but I just can't bear the thought of another season of feeling sick, of spending 90 minutes every weekend panicking, and having to resist the urge to hurt myself. Which I'm sure is oh-so-hilarious for all the Liverpool fans on here but believe me, it isn't for me, and I hate it, and I hate that something that's supposed to be fun has this effect on me, and I can't even get help for it. I wasn't like this during the Euros.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 03:31:24 PM
Yes, following footy definitely shouldn't be making you feel like that, and I'm sure not a single Liverpool fan on here thinks that.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 07, 2021, 03:45:33 PM
Watching Blackburn vs Swansea and I have to say, I have rarely seen such a suicidal defensive display as what Swansea are attempting. There's playing it out from the back, but then there's playing it out from the back. When the goalkeeper takes the ball out of the area to pass it to a teammate he's frequently further up the pitch than one or two of the Blackburn attackers. Every pass is to someone under pressure, so there always one slightly bad ball away from Blackburn being in. A better team than Blackburn would be about 4 up by now.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 07, 2021, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 07, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
I can't fucking do this anymore. I know it's only a friendly but I just can't bear the thought of another season of feeling sick, of spending 90 minutes every weekend panicking, and having to resist the urge to hurt myself. Which I'm sure is oh-so-hilarious for all the Liverpool fans on here but believe me, it isn't for me, and I hate it, and I hate that something that's supposed to be fun has this effect on me, and I can't even get help for it. I wasn't like this during the Euros.

I doubt any Liverpool fan here finds the fact that football is making you want to hurt yourself funny.

Might be best to just take a break from it or bin it entirely. I pretty much have and I miss nothing. Might keep watching the occasional international for the giggles but totally done with professional football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 04:05:52 PM
Alternative is to reach numbness and disillusionment like I have with Newcastle. There is no need for further self-destruction when you follow a club like that. The relatively sedate oscillations of ever-present Everton are a dream for fans like ours (who are always lazily accused of having unrealistic expectations, while watching clubs on smaller budgets literally every season outperform us and recruit better players and install better managers. It's a non stop conveyor belt of shit with momentary almost unbelievable moments of joy, but I already had those with Newcastle when I was smaller, days are gone.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 07, 2021, 04:13:37 PM
and friendlies mean fuck all anyway
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Pranet on August 07, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
Ref WSC, the issued discussed above is the first one I haven't read since Graham Taylor resigned as England manager because I've just let my subscription lapse. Still liked the magazine, though I know what people mean when they call it "dry", but it is mainly because I have totally lost interest in football. Why was I looking in this thread then? Bit bored and need to rethink certain aspects of my life. But I was glad to read that Taylor Parkes article, even though I didn't watch any of the Euros. So many good lines. I'll miss the season in brief and other historical articles.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 07, 2021, 05:13:12 PM
Kank, turn your suffering into pure hatred towards the players, management, club and fans. It's not your fault, it's theirs. I hope you can understand why so many Evertonians just want Big Dunc to take over and beat the living shit out of the paedo antivax cunts. Training sessions every day just beating them senseless. Fuck formations and set pieces and all that shit. I don't care if the team is successful at all, I just want them all to suffer for the bullshit they've contributed and the time they've wasted over the last forty years. Fortunately, I also have a lot of hatred left over for every other club and I wish every other club, player, manager and and especially the fans every unfathomable misery under the sun.

This is the beauty of sport.




Or, more sensibly, give it a rest for a while. I'm a very optimistic and enthusiastic guy and this season is going to be fucking awful. Don't do it to yourself.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 06:18:01 PM
Keane offers nothing except Begbie two-exchanges from sparking you out level aggression does he? No tactical insight, just platitudes with a sprinkle of attacking easy targets for a lack of passion.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 07, 2021, 06:47:27 PM
seems fairly embarrassing to spend 100m bucks on a player that was on your team a decade ago
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 07, 2021, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: chveik on August 07, 2021, 06:47:27 PM
seems fairly embarrassing to spend 100m bucks on a player that was on your team a decade ago

Yeah, but Pogba has a lot of Instagram followers.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 07, 2021, 06:53:35 PM
Did I just see Grealish's first dive in a Man City shirt?
A great moment.

Up there with that time I saw Messi's first goal. And Erik Edman's.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 07, 2021, 07:04:28 PM
I REALLY hate the 'I'm not celebrating' goal celebration.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 07:05:39 PM
Nathan Ake must be the first person whose haircut looks more realistic on Fifa than real life.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Given mild encouragement hasn't worked, perhaps hanging would deter people from saying 'Yeah, No' before saying what they want to say.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 07:21:45 PM
Roy Keane only able to praise a former Man Utd player and a son of a former Man Utd player and even then by saying "I get the impression" rather than having any insight.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 07, 2021, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 07, 2021, 11:34:33 AM
This is why I stopped subscribing. The mix between serious articles and humour seems to have gone awry. I'll probably buy this issue though as I do like the season previews.

WSC was always really about the culture as much as football - that's what made it a good read. These days the match report of a goalless draw between Telford and Leigh is just a match report of a goalless draw. A report on a bad club owner is just a report an a bad club owner. The humour has totally evaporated, as best seen the in cartoons and graphics dotted miserably about the pages.  I can't tell if that's editorial edict, the writers or just that it's run out of juice. Very sad to see, if I do resubscribe it'll be purely because I'd hate to see it die.  But I can't help thinking that for the subscription I could Paterson a podcast that I really like instead.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: dr beat on August 07, 2021, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: A Hat Like That on August 05, 2021, 07:26:38 PM
Terry Smith

My neighbour played american football for GB in the late 80s early 90s and his path crossed with Terry's. He does not have a single good word to say about him.

Pray tell more?..

The Chester City documentary is on Youtube and it is great.  Helps that Terry Smith looks like Terry Nutkins.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on August 07, 2021, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: badaids on August 07, 2021, 08:04:01 PM
WSC was always really about the culture as much as football - that's what made it a good read. These days the match report of a goalless draw between Telford and Leigh is just a match report of a goalless draw. A report on a bad club owner is just a report an a bad club owner. The humour has totally evaporated, as best seen the in cartoons and graphics dotted miserably about the pages.  I can't tell if that's editorial edict, the writers or just that it's run out of juice. Very sad to see, if I do resubscribe it'll be purely because I'd hate to see it die.  But I can't help thinking that for the subscription I could Paterson a podcast that I really like instead.

Oh 100% this. My subscription lapsed about 18 months ago and I didn't renew because for the last few years I hadn't even been finishing it. Harry Pearson ffs. Barney Ronay? Fuck off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Pranet on August 07, 2021, 11:41:44 PM
Barney Ronay hasn't written for it for years has he?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on August 08, 2021, 12:00:54 AM
an increasingly wild night
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 08, 2021, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: Pranet on August 07, 2021, 11:41:44 PM
Barney Ronay hasn't written for it for years has he?

Also, Ronay is one of the few football writers worth reading - he's rarely dull. I gave up my subscription about 5 years ago after I found it too dry - eventually it felt like the literary equivalent of a monthly delivery of oatcakes. I dread to think that it could've got drier. Will pick up the latest issue though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Rolf Lundgren on August 08, 2021, 07:31:28 PM
Another lapsed WSC reader here. The last two copies are the only ones I haven't bought in about 8 years and glad I'm not the only one who finds it so dry nowadays. The TV review is your best bet for any humour but other than that, it's pickings of the slimmest order. Commissioning people like Taylor Parkes and Al Needham to write more would be a good start.

I feel sorry for the guys that run it because I did want to keep going with it but I was finding less and less to enjoy each month to a point where it felt like a chore to get through another article about Financial Fair Play or an incredibly boring match report of an incredibly unimportant match. Definitely needs a kick up the arse in some way or other.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on August 08, 2021, 09:26:04 PM
Always preferred The Onion Bag till it disappeared then picked up the odd WSC from the newsagents but when he stopped stocking it didn't root around too hard to find it elsewhere
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 08, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
I don't want to get overexcited after just one good performance - but Celtic will definitely win the league this season and Kyogo Furuhashi will end up playing for Barcelona
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 12:08:50 AM
Quote from: Blinder Data on August 08, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
I don't want to get overexcited after just one good performance - but Celtic will definitely win the league this season and Kyogo Furuhashi will end up playing for Barcelona

Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what Celtic do.

That isn't even a joke.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 09, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
Coventry's first game back in the city for two seasons, what a game. We were shit in the first half, but picked up in the 2nd, helped by the Forest players lack of match fitness and them subbing off their best player. Fantastic to see Jodi Jones back on the pitch after his 3rd ACL injury on the trot.

Might get in WSC doing their match report with that kind of writing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 09, 2021, 08:48:37 AM
Hope Barcelona implode, nothing in football would be more richly deserved. I hope tourists to the flooded ruins of Camp Nou in 2070 are treated to a rich fruity retelling by their holographic tour guide.

Isn't going to happen though, is it. The new restructuring will occur. La Liga will force all other clubs except Real and Atletico to pay of Barcelona's debt as 'tribute to their cultural contribution'.

Or Amazon / Disney will buy them.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 10:13:03 AM
Barca currently have a revenue ratio of 95%. They need to go below 70% before they can sign players. Even a big takeover wouldn't change that. The funny thing is that their revenue may dip heavily now they've lost Messi so they may be fucked for a fair few windows to come until they shift the deadweight.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 09, 2021, 10:14:39 AM
Mas que un GRAVEYARD
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 09, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
I saw something that said that player wages alone in 2020/21 accounted for over 110% of Barca's total income.

When did Peter Ridsdale join?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 09, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
I saw something that said that player wages alone in 2020/21 accounted for over 110% of Barca's total income.

When did Peter Ridsdale join?

Messi accounted for 15% of that. In fairness he made more for the club commercially than he earned so it wasn't as absurd as it initially looks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 09, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
But, if Messi was bringing in more than he was earning, that figure surely becomes even more problematic without him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 10:31:34 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 09, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
But, if Messi was bringing in more than he was earning, that figure surely becomes even more problematic without him.

Yep. But they won't feel that this window or maybe the next. They are fucked for the foreseeable until they get rid of the big earners. Love just how much the Dembele and Coutinho deal fucked them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 09, 2021, 11:05:31 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 09, 2021, 10:14:39 AM
Mas que un GRAVEYARD

lol
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mr. logic on August 09, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
It was genuinely depressing to hear that french journalist on Football weekly talk glowingly and uncritically about the situation in terms of brand and marketing. I like that the show isn't just mindlessly cynical about everything, but couldn't believe they allowed that. Richardson and the others were suitably withering, but it was six uninterrupted minutes of Qatari propaganda.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 09, 2021, 01:53:30 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/jv49Xcs/Screenshot-2021-08-09-at-13-51-14.png)

lol
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 02:15:17 PM
Brest manager has a hard-on?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 09, 2021, 02:36:44 PM
Waited for Jules to leave before having a few swipes. At least not showing sympathy to Barcelona.

Of course Jules followed PSG through the really bad days when they ALMOST got relegated. Mustn't have been that bad if they survived.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on August 09, 2021, 03:00:49 PM
In other Barcelolna news, Aguero out for 10 weeks with a calf injury.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 09, 2021, 03:03:41 PM
Oh and that guy who just says what the XG is annoyed me even more by saying 'in IRL'. Just say IRL or in real life, don't double up the In. And does he know what is maybe more impressive than Messi's XG record. His actual goal record. Never seems to provide any insight besides spouting numbers and also heavily focusing on individual game stats when also saying XG shouldn't be looked at over small sample sizes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 09, 2021, 03:16:19 PM
it's such a shitty institution, they're blaming the players don't want to leave for their fuck ups
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 03:33:43 PM
I love it. Coutinho pretty much fucked them almost on his own.

- Leaves for absurd money.
- Money used to buy keeper who kept a clean sheet to embarrass Barca and knock them out in one of the greatest comebacks in European Cup history (Roma 3-0).
- Keeper then keeps another clean sheet in the greatest comeback in European Cup history and costs Barca what would have been a likely CL win against a faltering Spurs side.
- Goes out on loan and scores against Barca to help knock them out in one of the most embarrassing defeats in the club's history.
- Cannot shift his wages so they are forced to let Suarez go to a rival who then helps them win the league.
- Has no buyers due to ridiculous wages so is taking up an excessive amount of the wage budget so they can't register new players who are on significantly lower wages.

Admittedly some of that is also down to other players too.

I'd still take Coutinho back at Liverpool so long as Barca were desperate enough to let him go on a free and pay some of his wages. If anything that would be the cherry on top of the whole series of events.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 09, 2021, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 03:33:43 PM
I'd still take Coutinho back at Liverpool so long as Barca were desperate enough to let him go on a free and pay some of his wages. If anything that would be the cherry on top of the whole series of events.

they haven't finished to pay for his transfer so they deffo could do that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 09, 2021, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 03:33:43 PM
I love it. Coutinho pretty much fucked them almost on his own.

- Leaves for absurd money.
- Money used to buy keeper who kept a clean sheet to embarrass Barca and knock them out in one of the greatest comebacks in European Cup history (Roma 3-0).
- Keeper then keeps another clean sheet in the greatest comeback in European Cup history and costs Barca what would have been a likely CL win against a faltering Spurs side.
- Goes out on loan and scores against Barca to help knock them out in one of the most embarrassing defeats in the club's history.
- Cannot shift his wages so they are forced to let Suarez go to a rival who then helps them win the league.
- Has no buyers due to ridiculous wages so is taking up an excessive amount of the wage budget so they can't register new players who are on significantly lower wages.

Admittedly some of that is also down to other players too.

I'd still take Coutinho back at Liverpool so long as Barca were desperate enough to let him go on a free and pay some of his wages. If anything that would be the cherry on top of the whole series of events.

Nah, at this point, Coutinho would just get in Elliot's way.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Pranet on August 09, 2021, 05:21:40 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 09, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
Coventry's first game back in the city for two seasons, what a game. We were shit in the first half, but picked up in the 2nd, helped by the Forest players lack of match fitness and them subbing off their best player. Fantastic to see Jodi Jones back on the pitch after his 3rd ACL injury on the trot.

Misread that initially as "Fantastic to see Cobi Jones back on the pitch" which dates me.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 09, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
Barcelona not having enough money to keep the most profitable player in history is just astonishing. Like having to throw away your magic beans because you can't afford a £2 terracotta pot to grow them in.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 09, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
As good as Grealish is, it seems like a baffling move to me considering the varying depth of their squad. There's a good chance they start this season with Grealish, Silva and Foden on the bench but Jesus and Mendy starting.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 09, 2021, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on August 09, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
Barcelona not having enough money to keep the most profitable player in history is just astonishing. Like having to throw away your magic beans because you can't afford a £2 terracotta pot to grow them in.

Excellent analogy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 09, 2021, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: Rolf Lundgren on August 08, 2021, 07:31:28 PM
Another lapsed WSC reader here. The last two copies are the only ones I haven't bought in about 8 years and glad I'm not the only one who finds it so dry nowadays. The TV review is your best bet for any humour but other than that, it's pickings of the slimmest order. Commissioning people like Taylor Parkes and Al Needham to write more would be a good start.

I feel sorry for the guys that run it because I did want to keep going with it but I was finding less and less to enjoy each month to a point where it felt like a chore to get through another article about Financial Fair Play or an incredibly boring match report of an incredibly unimportant match. Definitely needs a kick up the arse in some way or other.

Just finished the most recent WSC edition, it was much better than others of late. There's an article about Everton, which of course needed to be done, but it's a good example of what rankles me about WSC. It's essentially just a factual rundown of recent Everton history, ups and downs and some reasons why Rafa is a controversial appointment, with a perfectly reasonable analysis of how Everton might get on this season. That's all fine but nothing more than a decent undergraduate could write in a 1500 word essay. Perhaps they just don't have much to say. There was a similar one on Sheffield Wednesday a few editions back. These are the type of situations and people that are ripe for bit of wider analysis, humour and miss taking.

The Euro 2020 supplement was excellent though, mostly, full of articles that looked more widely into the culture. It should be like they all the time. Taylor's was the best by far and raised about 8 guffaws and 5 genuine lols. Tom Davies article was pretty good too. More of this please.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 09, 2021, 03:48:04 PM
Nah, at this point, Coutinho would just get in Elliot's way.

Elliot is still young. Coutinho could teach him a lot.

Besides, Shaqiri is on his way out (not in today's squad) and Origi isn't even starting in friendlies ahead of youngsters. It would be a smart signing on a free.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mr. logic on August 09, 2021, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on August 09, 2021, 03:03:41 PM
Oh and that guy who just says what the XG is annoyed me even more by saying 'in IRL'. Just say IRL or in real life, don't double up the In. And does he know what is maybe more impressive than Messi's XG record. His actual goal record. Never seems to provide any insight besides spouting numbers and also heavily focusing on individual game stats when also saying XG shouldn't be looked at over small sample sizes.

Is he the same one that does this annoying sort of hedged semi-sigh before making a point, as if considering it first from every angle? It's really hard to pinpoint what I mean, but he honestly makes that sound every time.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 09, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
Badaids, did you see the Fabian Delph article in the Athletic? It was one of the few times when O'Keeffe wasn't crying about how Marco Silva shagged his cat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 09, 2021, 07:27:31 PM
and they're sending Pjanic back to Juve on loan apparently. the gift that keeps on giving
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 09, 2021, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: mr. logic on August 09, 2021, 07:14:12 PM
Is he the same one that does this annoying sort of hedged semi-sigh before making a point, as if considering it first from every angle? It's really hard to pinpoint what I mean, but he honestly makes that sound every time.

Yep. Just listening now and he is doing that sharp intake and a not overly committal yeah after a good few questions..
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mr. logic on August 09, 2021, 07:31:44 PM
Haha, yeah that's the one!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 09, 2021, 08:38:00 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 09, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
Badaids, did you see the Fabian Delph article in the Athletic? It was one of the few times when O'Keeffe wasn't crying about how Marco Silva shagged his cat.

Not seen that.  Isn't the Athletic behind a paywall?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on August 09, 2021, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on August 09, 2021, 07:30:05 PM
Yep. Just listening now and he is doing that sharp intake and a not overly committal yeah after a good few questions..
Quote from: mr. logic on August 09, 2021, 07:31:44 PM
Haha, yeah that's the one!
Is that Duncan Alexander? I don't listen to that podcast.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 09, 2021, 10:13:36 PM
Yes Duncan Alexander.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on August 09, 2021, 11:35:30 PM
They're both trying to bounce La Liga into bending the rules for them aren't they?. No Messi in Spain hits the league's finances too so best case (for club and player) is the rulebook goes out the window while the new president deals with the debt of previous regimes, worst case (as it'll be presented by club and player) is Messi accepted a much smaller contract Barcelona worked to get the contract through but it was La Liga that wouldn't move with them allowing club and player to point the finger.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 10, 2021, 01:03:14 AM
Quote from: mr. logic on August 09, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
It was genuinely depressing to hear that french journalist on Football weekly talk glowingly and uncritically about the situation in terms of brand and marketing. I like that the show isn't just mindlessly cynical about everything, but couldn't believe they allowed that. Richardson and the others were suitably withering, but it was six uninterrupted minutes of Qatari propaganda.

i'm assuming it wasn't philippe auclair? i rarely listen anymore and can't think of any other french journos they have on, but i like philippe
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 10, 2021, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 09, 2021, 06:14:02 PM
Elliot is still young. Coutinho could teach him a lot.

Besides, Shaqiri is on his way out (not in today's squad) and Origi isn't even starting in friendlies ahead of youngsters. It would be a smart signing on a free.

coutinho's a little slug. would only take him if barca paid his full wages and he wasn't allowed to make eye contact with anyone
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 10, 2021, 01:21:49 AM
Quote from: badaids on August 09, 2021, 08:38:00 PM
Not seen that.  Isn't the Athletic behind a paywall?
I'll copypasta it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on August 10, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: Chollis on August 10, 2021, 01:03:14 AM
i'm assuming it wasn't philippe auclair? i rarely listen anymore and can't think of any other french journos they have on, but i like philippe

It's the Totally Football Show and Julien Laurens rather than Phillipe Auclair (who's at the Guardian and sticks to Football Weekly). Philippe is every good stereotype about the French while Julien is every bad one (and exactly what I picture when I think of the average French PSG fan).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 10, 2021, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: Bernice on August 10, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
It's the Totally Football Show and Julien Laurens rather than Phillipe Auclair (who's at the Guardian and sticks to Football Weekly). Philippe is every good stereotype about the French while Julien is every bad one (and exactly what I picture when I think of the average French PSG fan).

ah right. mention of Richardson should've given it away
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 10, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
Rumours going around that Kane is going to sign a new deal at Spurs. If it doesn't include a legally enforceable release clause, he's even stupider than his brother looks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 10, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Europa Conference Qualifying Latest

Shakhter Karagandy   
0
Kolos Kovalivka
0

Provincial Kazakhstan vs Small Town Ukraine!

Get them PL bois involved
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 10, 2021, 07:12:17 PM
Sherriff Tiraspol beating Red Star Belgrade in the CL Qualifier, stop press!

Also: Carabao Cup action!

Wake me up when September starts.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on August 10, 2021, 08:11:52 PM
I dunno, if you want to see Derby being humiliated by Paul Schole's IRL Championship Manager game, it's worth a watch.

smdh
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 10, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
The Athletic on Everton's resident gobshite reptile.

QuoteFabian Delph likes to talk.

One of the qualities that originally attracted Everton to the midfielder was his ability to rouse team-mates and lead by example.

His dressing room outbursts at Manchester City, demanding better and more, were notable in Amazon's All Or Nothing documentary series following that club's 2017-18 season. They were cited as examples of the winning mentality Everton needed to attract.

Perhaps director of football Marcel Brands had that in mind when he and then-manager Marco Silva agreed to pay City £8.5 million for a 29-year-old Delph in 2019.

Delph has spoken about his tendency to say what he thinks previously. A few months after All Or Nothing's release in 2018, he told journalists: "I wear my heart on my sleeve, and I am known for getting a little emotional at times."

There's nothing wrong with that and Delph, now 31, is at least self-aware. His reputation at previous clubs, including Leeds United and City, remains positive and the former England international is popular among his team-mates at Finch Farm too.

He wasn't with those team-mates last week for their brief stint in the US to participate in the Florida Cup pre-season tournament, though. As Everton won games against Colombia's Millonarios and Mexican club Pumas in the sweltering heat of Orlando, he was at home in Cheshire.

The club said Delph did not fly out with the squad "as a precautionary measure after coming into contact with someone who has since tested positive for COVID-19" and would need to quarantine.

He had played in both of the previous two summer friendlies under new manager Rafa Benitez, and should have returned to training yesterday (Monday), given his 10-day quarantine period will have ended last Friday.

Delph may return calmer than he was last week at least. He was said to be deeply unhappy at the situation, which saw some speculate that he had been the Everton player suspended pending a police investigation.

Since news broke of the suspension, Delph made two pointed posts to his Instagram account that underlined how he had been very much involved in pre-season action and was very much not suspended.

It is another, posted last week, that is harder to fathom. He shared a bulletin from American account The Healing Chamber that appears to suggest the human immune system can fight COVID-19 unaided.

It reads: "It's now a 'conspiracy theory' to believe that the immune system is capable of doing the job it was designed to do."

Delph did not expand on the post, so it is unfair to assume full knowledge of his thoughts on COVID-19 or vaccinations. But at a time when slow take-up of jabs is still a major problem in the global fight against the pandemic, it was a poorly thought-out message to proliferate.

Delph, who likes to talk, should chat to Birmingham City goalkeeper Neil Etheridge, who spent time in hospital being treated for COVID-19.

Or he could ring Sheffield Wednesday manager Darren Moore, who was also hospitalised, with pneumonia and blood clots on the lungs, after his positive test.

After that, he could track down Shrewsbury Town manager Steve Cotterill, who had to be re-admitted to hospital in March suffering from COVID-19-related pneumonia.

Assuming the immune system can fight any virus on its own, if that is Delph's opinion, is not quite a conspiracy theory, but all three of those figures in football could give him a perspective on why that belief is, frankly, dumb.

For Everton, it is unhelpful PR at a time when the issue over whether clubs may insist all their players are vaccinated remains on the agenda. Last week, The Athletic reported that vaccinations could be required of all players and staff at Premier League clubs as part of government plans to keep football going if the UK is forced into a winter lockdown.

It remains uncertain — not unlike Delph's Everton future.

One of the club's higher earners — believed to be on close to £100,000 a week — he made just eight Premier League appearances last term due to a combination of repeated injury problems and then-manager Carlo Ancelotti simply preferring other players at times.

The perceived meaning of Delph's Instagram story may have annoyed Everton fans, but it is not the main reason supporters on the blue half of Merseyside are apathetic, at best, about him.

Delph also made just 16 league appearances in the 2019-20 campaign and few would suggest his move to Goodison has been anything but, in wage terms, an expensive misstep for the club.

The Yorkshireman's contract expires next summer and it's highly unlikely that any extension will be forthcoming.

In a summer when Everton's ability to invest in new players is being constrained by their struggles in complying with the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules, the club must offload high-earning players who contribute little on the pitch.

So, barring a major turnaround in his fitness and fortunes — enough to convince Benitez that Delph can play a major part in his first season as manager — it remains probable the club would listen to offers for him this summer.

Delph has undoubtedly been a winner in his career — it is not his fault alone that Everton have struggled since he joined — but if he wants a swansong to his impressive career, it might be better to look for it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 10, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
Wow. Julien getting very defensive on today's European podcast with just some of the mildest annoyance shown by others at Qatar St Germain just buying things up all around them. Making up that everyone else is superbly defensive of Chelsea or Man City as well.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 10, 2021, 08:29:39 PM
He doesn't seem to understand why people may be looking for a nice underdog story. Very annoying man.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 10, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on August 10, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
Wow. Julien getting very defensive on today's European podcast with just some of the mildest annoyance shown by others at Qatar St Germain just buying things up all around them.

PSG are the Glasgow Rangers of Europe.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 10, 2021, 08:41:36 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on August 10, 2021, 08:29:39 PM
He doesn't seem to understand why people may be looking for a nice underdog story. Very annoying man.

He's not as annoying as that English bloke who is always on French TV as a football pundit, playing up his stereotyped Britishness as seen by the French by dressing like Austin fucking Powers or Paul Weller.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 10, 2021, 09:22:21 PM
Epic from Rangers so far, shame there's still 30 minutes left as I'd hate to waste these laughs on nowt.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on August 10, 2021, 09:33:10 PM
Dammit, i turned that off when they scored cos i thought it would be a done deal.... not going to put it back on on though case i jinx it. Will stick with Warsaw v Zagreb.

Re: Delph and the vaccine.... if a club (or the premier league) wanted to force every player to get vaccinated and a player refused, could the club argue that he is going against medical advice and terminate his contract? This is just wishful thinking on my behalf concerning this idiot. Hate him so much irregardless of his views on covid.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 10, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
Rafa should force him to train in a Hazmat suit. Or have Duncan Ferguson spray him with a hose of disinfectant.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 10, 2021, 10:02:32 PM
Dunc should hit him with a railing until he's feeding through a fucking tube and he's blinking his anti-vax shit in morse code 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on August 10, 2021, 10:20:25 PM
Moshiri needs to get on the blower to Malmo and enquire if Bonke Innocent is available for us to purchase. He sounds much more fun than Fabian Delph.

edit - ah, he's even a defensive midfielder aswell! Get him signed!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 11, 2021, 11:27:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8gEEr4XEAApav_?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 11, 2021, 01:20:27 PM
RIP GREALISH HAIR UR WIV D ANGLES NOW
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 10, 2021, 10:02:32 PM
Dunc should hit him with a railing until he's feeding through a fucking tube and he's blinking his anti-vax shit in morse code 😂😂😂
Everton vaccination programme: "Get your jab or Duncan will give you one. With his fist, that is."
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 11, 2021, 08:47:52 PM
rudiger is a real piece of shit
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 11, 2021, 10:38:13 PM
pelanties
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 10:45:11 PM
Peenalties
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 11, 2021, 10:50:38 PM
KEPA! I Always believed in you, honest!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 11, 2021, 10:53:22 PM
Fuck sake

Why can't all of the teams I don't like just lose all the time and good things never happen to them

OH well only 48 hours until Arsenal lose to Brentford with Xhaka in midfield
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 11, 2021, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: Thursday on August 11, 2021, 10:50:38 PM
KEPA! I Always believed in you, honest!

did you really care about that trophy?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 12, 2021, 02:56:07 AM
Google's got blue fireworks. Awww.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 12, 2021, 07:05:46 AM
Quote from: chveik on August 11, 2021, 11:18:51 PM
did you really care about that trophy?

Not really, although going to a penalty shoot-out like that made it feel better to win it by the end than it would have done I think.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 08:45:05 AM
Hoping St Johnstone finish the job on those small fry dogshit merchants Galatasaray later, but still funny if they and Celtic lose.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 08:45:05 AM
Hoping St Johnstone finish the job on those small fry dogshit merchants Galatasaray later, but still funny if they and Celtic lose.

anti-Scottish HATRED. What did the proud city of Perth ever do to you??
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
does anyone have any recommendations for reliable free football streams?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 12, 2021, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
does anyone have any recommendations for reliable free football streams?


https://reddt1.soccerstreams.net/

or sportsbay.tv
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 12, 2021, 04:44:26 PM
What is up with that Man Utd third kit?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 09:52:30 AM
anti-Scottish HATRED. What did the proud city of Perth ever do to you??

I would be chuffed for them if they won. But TOTAL WIPEOUT would also be funny. Pretty straightforward logic.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 08:17:14 PM
QuoteDons fans make themselves heard'
Aberdeen 0-0 Breidablik (3-2)


Tyrone Smith

BBC Scotland at Pittodrie

Pittodrie is an absolute cauldron of noise just now, a home goal would blow the roof off.

Imagine the scenes if there's a goal against a team.. That I've literally never heard of.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 12, 2021, 08:40:39 PM
Hammarby just pumped FC Cuck-a-Ricky 5-1 to win 6-4 on aggregate and go through to... yet another qualifying round for the UEFA Conference. How many qualifying rounds are there for this thing? Is every team in Europe in it at some point? Can't wait for Northampton Town v Skra Częstochowa!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 12, 2021, 08:42:44 PM
When Spurs are playing in it you've reached the final qualifying round.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 12, 2021, 08:50:26 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 12, 2021, 08:40:39 PM
Hammarby just pumped FC Cuck-a-Ricky 5-1 to win 6-4 on aggregate and go through to... yet another qualifying round for the UEFA Conference. How many qualifying rounds are there for this thing? Is every team in Europe in it at some point? Can't wait for Northampton Town v Skra Częstochowa!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2021, 08:51:25 PM
Rubin lost to Rakow from Poland, who I've never heard of. Hibernian of Malta about to go one round better than Hibernian of Scotland.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poobum on August 12, 2021, 09:31:02 PM
TNS totally fucked it. Finnish teams going really strong, good on em. Also the mighty Lincoln Red Imps are playoff against Riga FC from being in the Europa Conference group stage. Excitement abounds!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 12, 2021, 10:34:07 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/mCbw7vZ/Screenshot-2021-08-12-at-22-32-58.png)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 12, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Richard Dunne had to have his number drawn onto a spare shirt in a World Cup qualifier after he bled all over the one he started with tbf.

Was a big night for Irish footie in the Conference League.

Bohemians took a 2-1 lead to Greece after winning the first leg against PAOK in Dublin. Screwed it up and lost the tie.
Dundalk hosted Vitesse Arnhem after a creditable 2-2 draw in Holland. Screwed it up and lost the tie.

Dundalk in particular fluffed chances for entertainment. Usual affair for Irish teams then. Brave performance, but just lacking 'that little bit of quality'. Maybe the FAI should support the domestic game better? Nah, that'd be silly.

Shamrock Rovers got through but they had some former SSR farmers for opposition.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on August 12, 2021, 11:52:30 PM
Perhaps they'll have better luck dropping down into the Europa Paint Trophy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 13, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
The Athletic asked the fans of all 20 EPL teams if they were feeling hope or fear, and graded it on a hope-o-meter. Guess which team came last? (Chelsea came first.)

At least Roberto Martinez and Marco Silva had a period of time before the fans turned on them. Rafa won't even get that.
Quote from: bgmnts on August 12, 2021, 04:44:26 PM
What is up with that Man Utd third kit?
It's blue.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Everton fans have developed a self-identity based largely on Private Frazer from Dad's Army. It's beginning to grate, to be honest. You're a successful club in the big picture of world football. Get some perspective and start enjoying the footy. That to the imaginary Everton fan in my head, not Kankurette.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 13, 2021, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 13, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
It's blue.

Oh right okay I was confused cheers.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 13, 2021, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 13, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Everton fans have developed a self-identity based largely on Private Frazer from Dad's Army. It's beginning to grate, to be honest. You're a successful club in the big picture of world football. Get some perspective and start enjoying the footy. That to the imaginary Everton fan in my head, not Kankurette.

yeah there's only in england where mid table clubs can have players like richarlison, allan or digne. it's not that bad really
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 13, 2021, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 13, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Everton fans have developed a self-identity based largely on Private Frazer from Dad's Army. It's beginning to grate, to be honest. You're a successful club in the big picture of world football. Get some perspective and start enjoying the footy. That to the imaginary Everton fan in my head, not Kankurette.
Yeah, I'd have voted somewhere in the middle. If only because I don't hate Rafa and he won't have Mike Ashley to contend with. Speaking of which, Newcastle were 19th. Being Newcastle is suffering.

Chveik, all three of them will bugger off. James is and I'd be surprised if Richarlison stuck around too.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 07:28:01 PM
Enjoying the Radio 5 build up to the Brentford game. They've been talking about Manchester fucking City for the last 25 minutes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
Brilliant, Aubamayang and Lacazette both out of the first game "not feeling well"

Not that arsed anyway they're both shit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poobum on August 13, 2021, 08:30:35 PM
Loved New Salamis form the FA cup qualifiers, but they have been surpassed by Undy Athletic in the Welsh Cup.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 08:35:52 PM
How do you stop caring about football
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 13, 2021, 08:39:46 PM
glorious start. Arteta is the man
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 13, 2021, 08:40:59 PM
Quote from: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 08:35:52 PM
How do you stop caring about football

Watch it for a few years.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 13, 2021, 08:45:49 PM
Arsenal are hilarious. If they lose, I can't wait for the fan reaction which will again consist mainly of "We need to spend big", ignoring the lesson that you need to spend well,not big. 75 million on Pepe after one good season and all the others just to watch Brentford run rings around them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 13, 2021, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 13, 2021, 08:45:49 PM
Arsenal are hilarious. If they lose, I can't wait for the fan reaction which will again consist mainly of "We need to spend big", ignoring the lesson that you need to spend well,not big. 75 million on Pepe after one good season and all the others just to watch Brentford run rings around them.

they could spend their money on good scouts for a start
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 08:50:44 PM
We are spending big .. on a new contract for Granit Xhaka
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 13, 2021, 08:58:17 PM
As much as I hate to say it, they could all take a leaf out of Leicester's book. You're not always going to get it right, but when it does go wrong 15 million is easier to stomach than 75.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 13, 2021, 09:33:11 PM
Oh boy!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 09:37:55 PM
Foul on Leno but doesn't even matter because we're so fucking shit

Fucking useless. Weekend ruined already. CUNTS
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 09:41:39 PM
Got a friend who's a lifelong Brentford fan. There tonight.

I remember being away there in '99 when Gills stopped a long unbeaten run they'd had. We were the best that night. I'M SO FUCKING JEALOUS.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 13, 2021, 09:51:57 PM
Arsenal are mathematically down.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 13, 2021, 09:53:24 PM
Arsenal shouldn't worry too much, they'll be much better once Abou Diaby is back from injury.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 13, 2021, 09:55:02 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 13, 2021, 09:53:24 PM
Arsenal shouldn't worry too much, they'll be much better once Abou Diaby is back from injury.

And Kim Kallstrom, obviously
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 13, 2021, 09:55:47 PM
Big laugh to start the season, thanks Arsenal.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 13, 2021, 09:56:17 PM
Robbie from AFTV might make his first billion this year.

Arsenak in a relegation scrap.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 13, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
Brentford manager seems like a cool dude, good luck to them. (and also I have Toney in my fantasy). and I like bees.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
I didn't know they sang this hideous song. Fuck 'em, hope they get relegated.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 13, 2021, 10:04:17 PM
We may have our differences but I have to admit it was class by Arsenal to play with a defence comprising of a load of kids from the Long Covid ward at West Middlesex University Hospital tonight.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 14, 2021, 01:03:33 AM
James Rodriguez has COVID. I hope he licks Delph.

Thomas Frank is very handsome and has lovely hair.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Vitamin C on August 14, 2021, 02:31:40 AM
Frank is somehow a bit naff and a bit sexy. Never the easiest line to straddle, that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on August 14, 2021, 02:48:12 AM
Roy Keane writes: Brentford wanted it more. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 14, 2021, 07:43:39 AM
Brentford Brejects
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 14, 2021, 08:49:46 AM
Quote from: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 08:35:52 PM
How do you stop caring about football

Support Saints. Seems to be working for me.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: pigamus on August 14, 2021, 09:51:43 AM
Is there anywhere that tells you whether it's talksport or 5 live doing the commentary for a particular game
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jasha on August 14, 2021, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: Vitamin C on August 14, 2021, 02:31:40 AM
Frank is somehow a bit naff and a bit sexy. Never the easiest line to straddle, that.

Sure I've seen him in The Killing or Borgen
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 14, 2021, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: SpiderChrist on August 14, 2021, 08:49:46 AM
Support Saints. Seems to be working for me.
Not happy about Ings?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 14, 2021, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: pigamus on August 14, 2021, 09:51:43 AM
Is there anywhere that tells you whether it's talksport or 5 live doing the commentary for a particular game

This (https://www.google.com/) is usually a reliable source of info
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 14, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: Mobius on August 13, 2021, 08:35:52 PM
How do you stop caring about football

I do find it harder and harder every year to care about the Premier League, Champions League, etc. It gets increasingly more difficult to have anything invested in them when all of the clubs with any chance of winning are equally dislikable. The matches are letdowns more often than not, too.

I'm also not too fussed about my own team's games at the moment: a lot of fans feel the same way, they're struggling to give a toss what goes on on the pitch while the incompetent, possibly crooked owner is still in place.

The Euros this summer were a real breath of fresh air though, and I might start watching a bit more continental league football or Europa Conference Party Cup.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
I've found going to random grounds and watching games - at any level - has really helped sustain enjoyment in football and football culture. I still support Wigan but I can't be doing that ride or die partisan bollocks where your team consumes you. Even worse when it's Big Football and people don't even consider a world outside of it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 14, 2021, 12:12:24 PM
Having a fantasy team has pretty much been the thing that's sustained my interest in the Premiere League for the past four years.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: pigamus on August 14, 2021, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 14, 2021, 11:23:57 AM
This (https://www.google.com/) is usually a reliable source of info

Is everybody taking twat pills at the minute or what? It was a fairly reasonable question
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 14, 2021, 01:52:12 PM
Bielsa's a fraud, get Leeds relegated ASAP
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 14, 2021, 01:57:02 PM
Fernandes hat-trick with no penalty.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Steven88 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:44 PM
Haha fuck Leeds.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 14, 2021, 03:06:52 PM
Match delayed at Millwall. Probably too many good deeds going on.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 14, 2021, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 14, 2021, 10:54:54 AM
Not happy about Ings?

Just bored of it all - selling all the best players just to balance the books, an owner who won't invest. Not bothered about Ings, more pissed off about Vestergaard.

Been watching old episodes of The Big Match and it just seemed to be much more, I dunno, fun back then. Anyone remember when you watched football for fun?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: A Hat Like That on August 14, 2021, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
I've found going to random grounds and watching games - at any level - has really helped sustain enjoyment in football and football culture. I still support Wigan but I can't be doing that ride or die partisan bollocks where your team consumes you. Even worse when it's Big Football and people don't even consider a world outside of it.

FA Cup started the other weekend, with games coming up on the 18th. Find a local one?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 14, 2021, 04:02:37 PM

Everything going totally as expected at Goodison.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 14, 2021, 04:07:28 PM
Everton posted a video tribute to the Evertonians lost in the pandemic and somehow included a picture of Anne Frank.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 14, 2021, 04:28:15 PM
I just thought it would be funny
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 14, 2021, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 14, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
I've found going to random grounds and watching games - at any level - has really helped sustain enjoyment in football and football culture. I still support Wigan but I can't be doing that ride or die partisan bollocks where your team consumes you. Even worse when it's Big Football and people don't even consider a world outside of it.
This.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 14, 2021, 04:49:16 PM
Everton are going to win the Premier League and I won't even be watching lol
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 14, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 14, 2021, 04:49:16 PM
Everton are going to win the Premier League and I won't even be watching lol

Can't pull yourself away from your Rafa Benitez cuddle pillow long enough?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 14, 2021, 05:32:06 PM
No, I don't have Sky.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 14, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Norwich appear to be managed by a 1970s German porn star.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 14, 2021, 06:56:27 PM
Rafa is very cuddly tbf.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 14, 2021, 07:48:41 PM
Arsenal are out of the bottom three.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 12:54:14 PM
What's all this about Billy Gilmour and homophobic songs?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 15, 2021, 01:16:43 PM
He is a Chelsea player so they chanted the rent boy chant at him. They've been trying to get fans to stop chanting it at Chelsea for years.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 15, 2021, 01:25:47 PM
Are Chelsea planning on stopping making gas chamber noises when they play Spurs away?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: pigamus on August 15, 2021, 01:32:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 14, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Norwich appear to be managed by a 1970s German porn star.

Sitting in a corner in imperfect clothes
Trying not to pose
For the cameras and the girls
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 15, 2021, 01:40:20 PM
Steve Bruce looks like mashed potato that was hit by gamma radiation and became some outcast superhero.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 15, 2021, 01:16:43 PM
He is a Chelsea player so they chanted the rent boy chant at him. They've been trying to get fans to stop chanting it at Chelsea for years.
Yeah, the Kop Outs were talking about it according to the BBC. Hate that shite. Because I'm bi, not because I'm a blue.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 15, 2021, 03:28:34 PM
Weird I'd never heard of this rent boys thing before.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 04:04:51 PM
I've heard United fans sing it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 15, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 14, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Norwich appear to be managed by a 1970s German porn star.

I would say hardened techno DJ myself, mostly due to his regular outfit of totally black yet stylish leisurewear (that is undoubtedly v expensive)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 15, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
This game is really highlighting just what a bad manager Mourinho is.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 06:16:08 PM
Harry who?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 15, 2021, 06:17:08 PM
Desperate for Spurs to score a second so I can make a joke about Arsenal being above City.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 15, 2021, 06:23:55 PM
Joke about Pep needing more funds.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 15, 2021, 06:26:22 PM
i'm betting grealish will be a huge flop
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 15, 2021, 06:54:07 PM
So happy with that performance. A nice fresh start after Mourinho and the empty stadium era.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 15, 2021, 07:25:05 PM
Anyone remember MARFRIG
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 15, 2021, 09:56:13 PM
Quote from: Thursday on August 15, 2021, 03:28:34 PM
Weird I'd never heard of this rent boys thing before.

I just laughed at seeing my own post out of context.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 15, 2021, 10:40:34 PM
"Since calling Tottenham the 'Harry Kane team', Pep Guardiola has lost five times to Tottenham...without Harry Kane"

That's a pretty funny stat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 15, 2021, 10:57:06 PM
The most exciting thing about club football being back is that Garth Crooks' team of the week is back.

He picks Alisson seemingly just to criticise Norwich. Chalobah likely because he scored because if you score you get in. He put Son in as a midfielder despite him being a foward and Crooks describing him as a striker. Marcos Alonso is also in as a midfielder despite being a defender and also he is in because he scored, isn't he?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Vitamin C on August 16, 2021, 02:15:12 AM
It's great that it's all back, but fuck the Super League teams. I hope they all lose. Even when playing each other. Which is now possible under a new change to the laws of the game.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 16, 2021, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: SpiderChrist on August 14, 2021, 08:49:46 AM
Support Saints. Seems to be working for me.

Me too. The only joy left in supporting Saints is wondering who'll beat us 9-0 this year.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 16, 2021, 10:07:24 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 15, 2021, 10:57:06 PM
The most exciting thing about club football being back is that Garth Crooks' team of the week is back.

He picks Alisson seemingly just to criticise Norwich. Chalobah likely because he scored because if you score you get in. He put Son in as a midfielder despite him being a foward and Crooks describing him as a striker. Marcos Alonso is also in as a midfielder despite being a defender and also he is in because he scored, isn't he?

Crooks is possibly one of the worst pundits around.

Although this week is not quite as good as the time he picked Henderson so he could criticise Salah for diving.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 16, 2021, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 16, 2021, 10:07:24 AM
Crooks is possibly one of the worst pundits around.

Although this week is not quite as good as the time he picked Henderson so he could criticise Salah for diving.

He also can't help himself from mentioning it in this week's but doesn't mention diving in the blurb for Richarlison who was actually booked for diving. He is as obsessed with Salah as Souness is with Pogba. Weird.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 16, 2021, 10:17:12 AM
Bar the first fifteen minutes or so that was very, very good from us yesterday. Pretty much the ideal way to play against City - defend deep and in numbers, seize on every mistake and break quickly. Tanganga was excellent, Lucas was unbelievable, the midfield three of Skipp, Hojbjerg and Alli worked well...we can't get ahead of ourselves because it was only one game where it all came together, but it's definitely a good start.

Was anyone else baffled that right near the end Alli tried to put in a two-footed tackle from behind, and nobody - not the commentators, not the officials, not the City players - seemed to even notice it, let alone make a fuss?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 16, 2021, 10:30:07 AM
Yeah I was a bit shocked, I guess City were too busy going for an equaliser to care but he broke the WR in the high jump with that challenge. Presumably, if he made contact it would have been an instanr red.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Norton Canes on August 16, 2021, 11:05:24 AM
Quote from: Vitamin C on August 16, 2021, 02:15:12 AM
It's great that it's all back, but fuck the Super League teams. I hope they all lose. Even when playing each other. Which is now possible under a new change to the laws of the game

Just to clarify - are we calculating this season's Premier League champions by including results against ESL cunts?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 16, 2021, 11:10:07 AM
The president of Rwanda has criticised Arsenal for their opening day defeat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 16, 2021, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 16, 2021, 11:10:07 AM
The president of Rwanda has criticised Arsenal for their opening day defeat.

I mean, you would be really wouldnt you?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 16, 2021, 11:22:21 AM
i feel a bit sorry for Arteta. he can't sell any of these useless players. Xhaka, despite being shit, got in the euros team of the tournament but we only got one offer for him of £10m! they really set a precendent last season when they paid off mustafi, ozil and sokratis as kolasinac, torreira and maybe others know that they just need to hold on until January and the same might well happen to them. was a great idea last season to reject the bid from wolves for AMN then never play him. they also rejected a bid from palace for Nketia for £12m only for him to get injured the next week. not sure how much they expected to get for him with a year on his contract. hoping we will get Odegaard and one other before the window closes but i'm not sure of the chances.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thugler on August 16, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
Quote from: Hat FM on August 16, 2021, 11:22:21 AM
i feel a bit sorry for Arteta. he can't sell any of these useless players. Xhaka, despite being shit, got in the euros team of the tournament but we only got one offer for him of £10m! they really set a precendent last season when they paid off mustafi, ozil and sokratis as kolasinac, torreira and maybe others know that they just need to hold on until January and the same might well happen to them. was a great idea last season to reject the bid from wolves for AMN then never play him. they also rejected a bid from palace for Nketia for £12m only for him to get injured the next week. not sure how much they expected to get for him with a year on his contract. hoping we will get Odegaard and one other before the window closes but i'm not sure of the chances.

A lot of that is continuing to demand unrealistic fees (or fees at all in some cases).

We had decent offers for Lacazette and Maitland Niles last summer and rejected them both, now they're worth very little. Nketiah should have gone by now as well, and we could probably have sold him in January.

Xhaka is just not a valuable player, and has been holding the team back for many years. the 15 mil euros we got offered is what he's worth ultimately and holding out for 3 million more euros is not going to make much of a difference to us. Giving him a new contract will only result in us struggling to get rid of of him now. We have a long list of players we will never be able to sell and will be paying off until their contracts run out. Kola, Xhaka, Elneny, Bellerin, Cedric, Lacazette, Willian, Mari. None of them are good enough and they're all on big money.  The trend of paying players off is only going to continue with the clowns we currently have in charge. We had very clear priorities at the end of last season of starters in attacking midfield (the failure to get a signing there basically destroyed our season last time), central midfield and right back, and probably a striker. We've instead spent a staggering amount of money on White, a back 3 centre back who is crap in the air, while we already had Saliba who is of a very similar quality to White. As a result we don't have much money left, and haven't been able to bring much in from sales. Looks like we might get Odegaard but we've really fucked up the window and I don't see us finishing any higher than last season. Hopefully Arteta/Edu are both sacked by Christmas and we can get someone vaguely competent to come in and get the team playing to it's strengths rather than some hopeless attempt to emulate Man City without the players required.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 16, 2021, 12:26:48 PM
Please be Allardyce to Arsenal.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: pcsjwgm on August 16, 2021, 12:40:38 PM
Legendary goal poacher Gerd Müller died yesterday.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/15/gerd-muller-germany-bayern-munich-dies-aged-75
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/aug/15/gerd-muller-world-class-brilliant-legacy-too-often-forgotten
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 16, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: thugler on August 16, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
A lot of that is continuing to demand unrealistic fees (or fees at all in some cases).

We had decent offers for Lacazette and Maitland Niles last summer and rejected them both, now they're worth very little. Nketiah should have gone by now as well, and we could probably have sold him in January.

Xhaka is just not a valuable player, and has been holding the team back for many years. the 15 mil euros we got offered is what he's worth ultimately and holding out for 3 million more euros is not going to make much of a difference to us. Giving him a new contract will only result in us struggling to get rid of of him now. We have a long list of players we will never be able to sell and will be paying off until their contracts run out. Kola, Xhaka, Elneny, Bellerin, Cedric, Lacazette, Willian, Mari. None of them are good enough and they're all on big money.  The trend of paying players off is only going to continue with the clowns we currently have in charge. We had very clear priorities at the end of last season of starters in attacking midfield (the failure to get a signing there basically destroyed our season last time), central midfield and right back, and probably a striker. We've instead spent a staggering amount of money on White, a back 3 centre back who is crap in the air, while we already had Saliba who is of a very similar quality to White. As a result we don't have much money left, and haven't been able to bring much in from sales. Looks like we might get Odegaard but we've really fucked up the window and I don't see us finishing any higher than last season. Hopefully Arteta/Edu are both sacked by Christmas and we can get someone vaguely competent to come in and get the team playing to it's strengths rather than some hopeless attempt to emulate Man City without the players required.

completely agree on your points re xhaka and saliba. i am so sick of watching his backwards/sideways passing. can't believe he was captain on friday after what had gone before. i think the offer for Lacazette a year ago was much less than £20m. with two years left i dont think that was a great offer. shame the keeper looks like he has lost faith in his abilities. he looked fairly competent in his first season and the second(?) before he got injured. i see the athletic are reporting that Bellerin is desperate to leave. sorry Hector, i dont think you're in much demand. could possibly get top 6 with a bit of luck this season. could also come 10th though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 16, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
50 million on White, who to be honest, I had barely heard of before the Euros is insane. Who knows what Saliba has done to keep being sent out on loan. I always thought that Bellerin and Lacazette were Ok, so have they turned to scrap or was it just me not paying attention?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 16, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
Bellerin was good before he did his cruciate, he's apparently not really been the same since. Idk about Lacazette. 17 goals seems okay, if not exactly stellar last season, especially in a team that's being criticised for not creating enough chances.

I'd like to know what happened to Torreira too. Seemed exactly what Arsenal needed whenever I saw him play - a little terrier in midfield who has a little bit about him on the ball too. Yet he was farmed out on loan last season and is looking to move now. Surely he's better than Xhaka?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 16, 2021, 01:50:12 PM
i rarely inflict arsenal games on myself but each time i thought lacazette was pretty good
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 16, 2021, 02:24:20 PM
Thank fuck West Ham kept Moyes. That Newcastle game was quite fun and not just because I can't stand Bruce.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thugler on August 16, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
Quote from: Hat FM on August 16, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
completely agree on your points re xhaka and saliba. i am so sick of watching his backwards/sideways passing. can't believe he was captain on friday after what had gone before. i think the offer for Lacazette a year ago was much less than £20m. with two years left i dont think that was a great offer. shame the keeper looks like he has lost faith in his abilities. he looked fairly competent in his first season and the second(?) before he got injured. i see the athletic are reporting that Bellerin is desperate to leave. sorry Hector, i dont think you're in much demand. could possibly get top 6 with a bit of luck this season. could also come 10th though.

With regards to lacazette, obviously it's with the benefit of hindsight, but don't think we'll get much if any of a fee anymore so the 15/20 mil seems sensible to me. One minute you can think a fee is a bit low, but if the player's stock falls it can seem like the value is gone very quickly. Add to that his wages are about 180k so not too many teams are going to want to pay that. I think the thing with transfers is you need to churn really frequently or you are often punished for holding onto players for too long.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 16, 2021, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: chveik on August 16, 2021, 01:50:12 PM
i rarely inflict arsenal games on myself but each time i thought lacazette was pretty good

Could be argued that one of Arsenal's biggest problems is that all their players are "pretty good".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on August 16, 2021, 03:11:49 PM
Pretty good... at being shit!

No team in the Championship won both of their opening 2 games, which seems an unusual stat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 16, 2021, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 16, 2021, 02:56:44 PM
Could be argued that one of Arsenal's biggest problems is that all their players are "pretty good".

no
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 16, 2021, 03:18:34 PM
No you're right, they're all pretty good except Willian who's bollocks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Stone Cold Steve Austin on August 16, 2021, 03:22:58 PM
Torreira doesn't have the stamina or athleticism, you can't rely on him for 90 minutes every week. Plus he never settled here, compounded by his mum dying this year making him even more homesick.

Lacazette is absolutely wretched. Slow, risk averse, almost never where you want him to be and he has next to no chemistry with any of the other attacking players. Much like Leno, another player who doesn't fit but we're stuck with because no one else wants them either
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Vitamin C on August 16, 2021, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on August 16, 2021, 11:05:24 AM
Just to clarify - are we calculating this season's Premier League champions by including results against ESL cunts?

Yes, if they lose. If they win, a complicated series of bar charts and graphs is invoked.

Turning a blind eye to things is de rigueur in football anyway. After a bit of a kerfuffle, we've moved on from the elite clubs trying to brutally fuck over everyone else. Having owners blatantly guilty of horrific human rights atrocities is also completely fine. It's an odd state of affairs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 16, 2021, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold Steve Austin on August 16, 2021, 03:22:58 PM
Torreira doesn't have the stamina or athleticism, you can't rely on him for 90 minutes every week. Plus he never settled here, compounded by his mum dying this year making him even more homesick.

Lacazette is absolutely wretched. Slow, risk averse, almost never where you want him to be and he has next to no chemistry with any of the other attacking players. Much like Leno, another player who doesn't fit but we're stuck with because no one else wants them either

strange how all these players lose their talent when they start playing for arsenal
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Stone Cold Steve Austin on August 16, 2021, 09:02:32 PM
What talent? Leno is exactly the same player with all the same weaknesses he had when he broke into first team football. Before he joined Arsenal he was embarrassing himself for Germany at the Confederations Cup. Lacazette made it to his mid-20s playing for a top team in France without being picked up by anyone else, without bothering the national team, until Arsenal were desperate enough. Torreira spent last season not playing for Atletico. Arsenal didn't make any of these players worse, they were all second rate, but experienced players who didn't have the capacity to grow. When you fill your team with second rate players you get 8th placed finishes and a bloated squad of players no one else wants
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 16, 2021, 09:26:06 PM
Agreed

I think the Lacazette stuff is a tad harsh as he is an acceptable squad player, but never anyone who will take the club beyond where it is.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 16, 2021, 09:47:19 PM
Auba now a peado or what? Thought he was always meant to be great.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 16, 2021, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 16, 2021, 09:47:19 PM
Auba now a peado or what? Thought he was always meant to be great.

My observation is that he's quality but absolutely fucking lazy. I assume Arsenal simply don't have the players around him to carry that anymore and want rid of his wages to free up room to get a forward who is younger and works harder.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 16, 2021, 09:58:51 PM
Arsenal's next 2 league games are Chelsea and Man City. I could easily see us on 0 points after 3 games.

We've got a bunch of shit players, we play awful football and there's no chemistry or fluidity between any of the players. So boring. Pass sideways, cross to no one. They seem incapable of counter attacking, just hold onto the ball until all 10 players are behind it.

All this talk of a clear-out, and then Xhaka gets a new contract when he was so clearly on his way to Roma a few weeks ago. He's even still liking Mourinho posts on Instagram ffs! I can't believe he ever came back into the team after literally giving the finger to the fans. I just cannot believe he's still starting. Not like our current captain Aubamayang gives any more of a fuck though.

Torriera was posting pictures of himself at an amusement park during the Brentford game. He's not even been in the country forever, fuck knows what's going on there. We had to pay Mustafi to leave.

Who the fuck pays 50 mill for Ben White, who I'm sure isn't a bad player, when there's so much bigger issues in the squad. Why spend big on Saliba and loan him out for 3 FUCKING SEASONS.

It's all just fucked, can't be bothered to keep whinging but fucking hell.

Just really hope Arteta goes soon.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 16, 2021, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 16, 2021, 09:50:13 PM
My observation is that he's quality but absolutely fucking lazy. I assume Arsenal simply don't have the players around him to carry that anymore and want rid of his wages to free up room to get a forward who is younger and works harder.

Yeah he's getting on. Seemed to have switched off after getting his new contract just like Ozil did. He also had malaria last season to be fair, and his mum died. Turns up late for training a lot. Fans seem to get annoyed with him acting like a tit on social media when we lose too, he just gives off that not really arsed vibe.

He basically carried us for 2 seasons so it seems unfair to blame him for all of our issues. Look at the shite around him and the lack of service. Pepe and Lacazette are decent enough, but the 3 don't work together at all.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 17, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
Imagine being managed by Arteta, you'd just be like, training? No thanks mate. Get us a Coke while you're up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 17, 2021, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 17, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
Imagine being managed by Arteta, you'd just be like, training? No thanks mate. Get us a Coke while you're up.
And to think some of our fans wanted him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 17, 2021, 10:12:31 AM
While I agree that Arteta isn't good enough, he has won silverware for Arsenal. He'll always have that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 17, 2021, 12:02:58 PM
what, has he? did they win the FA Cup again while nobody was looking?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on August 17, 2021, 12:13:41 PM
comes as no surprise to see a man with two helpings of hair is getting slammed on CaB
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 17, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
Xhaka was mint for SUI in the Euros though, have you thought about packing your team with players even more serviceably ok than the ones you have?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thugler on August 17, 2021, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on August 17, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
Imagine being managed by Arteta, you'd just be like, training? No thanks mate. Get us a Coke while you're up.

I was at least willing to give him a shot at the beginning. But the way to do it would be to make him coach only and with no control over transfers or squad management, and a strong experienced director of football behind him to help him. We combined him with another inexperienced head in Edu who seems to be even more inept than Arteta. Not to mention our chief exec is yet another novice in Vinai Vinkatesham. We then made things worse by changing the structure again after Arteta won the FA cup (quite flukily to be honest), and made him Manager, effectively meaning Edu is completely irrelevant and has no real power over him.

He's also been extremely irrational, getting into pointless tiffs with players like Pepe and Guendouzi, taking their prices, publicly slagging them off etc. He clearly holds grudges against the likes of Saliba for mentioning he was upset at being judged based on 1 pre season game coming off an injury when he's not fully fit. But he has a right to be pissed off being left to rot in the reserves for 6 months while the likes of Mustafi and Kolasinac (both certain to leave at this point) get games at centre back over him. Even after that, he's gone on loan and by all accounts has played pretty well and got into the team of the season. Yet is still apparently unusable and we have to spend 50 million on another centre back who is arguably less experienced than him, with a massive english premium added to his price tag. At the same time, he's quite happy to accept his pet signing Willian swanning off to Dubai in the middle of a pandemic, and gives him endless chances to play despite utterly hopeless performances. This Xhaka thing is really the last straw though and will certainly be the end of him. This last chunk of the window looks like a blind panic now, I think Odegaard will come in and maybe a keeper but it won't be enough to save him. Am expecting an early Christmas present of Arteta getting booted out, hopefully along with the rest of the shit execs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 17, 2021, 02:59:16 PM
i think they will give him until the end of the season in all honesty. dont think edu has the cojones or the authority to sack him until it is complete turmoil. they sacked emery two months too late. terrible run of fixtures to start the season with anyway.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 17, 2021, 03:41:27 PM
discounting caretakers, Arteta is Arsenal's 3rd best manager by win percentage. Emery was 2nd.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 17, 2021, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 17, 2021, 03:41:27 PM
discounting caretakers, Arteta is Arsenal's 3rd best manager by win percentage. Emery was 2nd.

but still no statue for either of them. ridonc.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 17, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Herbert Chapman 1st?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 17, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: Uncle TechTip on August 17, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Herbert Chapman 1st?

Big Arse!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 17, 2021, 08:44:06 PM
 Cov  giving me a heart attack against Blackpool. Should be 7 - 2 up but for our profligate strikeforce.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 17, 2021, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 17, 2021, 03:41:27 PM
Arteta is Arsenal's 3rd best manager by win percentage

*crying laughing emoji*
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 02:40:58 AM
If any Owls are reading this, Wednesday Till I Die had Nuhiu on. He is adorable. And nobody can say his name right.

Pressman is coming back too. Sweet tits. David Hirst when though?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
And to nobody's surprise, Millwall fans booed taking the knee again and Gary Rowett said that football needs to find a better way of unifying people than taking the knee.

I'd love to know what his ideas are. And this is also why part of me wishes teams would stop taking the knee. Because of the backlash from fans. Although it didn't get booed at Goodison, which was nice.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 18, 2021, 11:42:41 AM
the taking the of the knee has become interesting because it looked like hegemonic football power was going to have its way by moaning and have the players 'find some other way of expressing solidarity' (the old shit that no one talked about) but they've stuck at it in the face of criticism and threats of boycott by core fans, it's almost like they believe in the principle of it!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 18, 2021, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
And to nobody's surprise, Millwall fans booed taking the knee again and Gary Rowett said that football needs to find a better way of unifying people than taking the knee.

I'd love to know what his ideas are. And this is also why part of me wishes teams would stop taking the knee. Because of the backlash from fans. Although it didn't get booed at Goodison, which was nice.

The teams at Goodison wore these shirts for the warm up:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8gk9SiWQAcIWtB?format=jpg&name=medium) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8gk9SmWEBsd-k9?format=jpg&name=medium)

I guess for the main reason that both teams wear Hummel shirts this year. But still: nice.


edit: a bit hilarious that fans of Coventry and Middlesbrough asking if Hummel will make a similar shirt for them, and Hummel saying 'No. Only for Saints, Everton, and Brøndby IF.' Like, how's THAT for inclusive?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 18, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
And to nobody's surprise, Millwall fans booed taking the knee again and Gary Rowett said that football needs to find a better way of unifying people than taking the knee.

I'd love to know what his ideas are. And this is also why part of me wishes teams would stop taking the knee. Because of the backlash from fans. Although it didn't get booed at Goodison, which was nice.

Yes Gary, we should account for the sensibilities of Millwall's notoriously racist fanbase to unite people. Peak centrism there, mate.

I say fuck their backlash and keep taking the knee. Take it at the start of the 2nd half too just to trigger the racists more.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 18, 2021, 12:20:21 PM
I heard boos initially when watching the Newcastle West Ham game but I think Sky quickly drowned out the booing. Either that or the crowd drowned them out but I find that unlikely.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 18, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Yes Gary, we should account for the sensibilities of Millwall's notoriously racist fanbase to unite people. Peak centrism there, mate.

I say fuck their backlash and keep taking the knee. Take it at the start of the 2nd half too just to trigger the racists more.
How have Liverpool fans reacted to it? I assume most are in favour?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 18, 2021, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 01:30:16 PM
How have Liverpool fans reacted to it? I assume most are in favour?

Any I've talked to are either in favour of or have no problem with players taking the knee. But I steer clear of racists in my personal life and my current online football hangouts are reasonably well moderated and don't allow pond life to stick around for very long. So I don't know if that's completely representative of Liverpool fans generally or not.

Let's see what happens at the weekend when we play Burnley at Anfield. Don't remember there being any negative reaction when fans were briefly back in stadia in December though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on August 18, 2021, 01:55:29 PM
Any idea on why the principled Brentford decided to reverse their decision and are now taking the knee after promotion to the Premier League.

(Where's blodders?)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on August 18, 2021, 02:18:44 PM
Maybe seeing all the arseholes booing during Euro 2020 has made them realise it is no longer a token gesture
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
And to nobody's surprise, Millwall fans booed taking the knee again and Gary Rowett said that football needs to find a better way of unifying people than taking the knee.

I'd love to know what his ideas are. And this is also why part of me wishes teams would stop taking the knee. Because of the backlash from fans. Although it didn't get booed at Goodison, which was nice.

'Football' needs to find a way to not make Millwall look like a bunch of cunts? It hasn't happened yet...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mr. logic on August 18, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 18, 2021, 12:20:21 PM
I heard boos initially when watching the Newcastle West Ham game but I think Sky quickly drowned out the booing. Either that or the crowd drowned them out but I find that unlikely.

Why?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 18, 2021, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: mr. logic on August 18, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
Why?

Just the way it sounded and how sudden it was. It sounded artificial to me. Would be nice if it was the crowd though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 18, 2021, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 18, 2021, 04:22:29 PM
Just the way it sounded and how sudden it was. It sounded artificial to me. Would be nice if it was the crowd though.

It was the same for boos at Goodison, though not at the kick off (which I missed), but for half time when Everton were 1-0 down to Soton.

Massive boos from - Everton fans presumably - which were suddenly faded down as though a sound editor somewhere was pulling down a fader.  The reduction on volume was to linear to be anything else and the rest of the crowd noise didn't change at all.
Not a criticism, just an observation.  I can well imagine that Sky editorial policy is to put the volume down on the boos where they appear.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thehungerartist on August 18, 2021, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 01:30:16 PM
How have Liverpool fans reacted to it? I assume most are in favour?

To my knowledge, Liverpool fans are now more concerned with NFC than BLM. Most of us will miss the players taking the knee, leaving a healthy contingent of Burnley away fans to let their feelings be known. Can expect the same from Chelsea when they visit over the Bank Holiday.

Any other matchgoing Reds pissed off already with these digital tickets?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 07:38:30 PM
I asked my brother if taking the knee got booed at Goodison and he said no. Though some of our fans are utter twats so it wouldn't surprise me if some of them did.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
Can't get enthused for things this year even though I loved the Euros. I'm a Man City fan so obviously I'm the devil incarnate (see also: Bob Dylan thread).
I'm actually more interested in going to see Altrincham but my son really fancies a City game or two this season so I'll take him down.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 18, 2021, 07:52:24 PM
new City third kit absolute aesthetic death

(https://scontent.fman4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/235181700_10159293204595993_7437591510693445662_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_eui2=AeH4CqaA6V29nHmLCeFybgEp3b-7R_9GW73dv7tH_0ZbveiyY0fs9G-cbUQHyHBaXXMxWx5S1dv0k3BK_oHSfG2-&_nc_ohc=Un4SmWutp9IAX8gRnBC&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-1.fna&oh=d9af54721e1a8d069711a06e764f08a6&oe=61410679)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
Fuck me. Two dreadful things in that photo.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 18, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Speaking of aesthetic death what the fuck has happened to Louis van Gaal?

(https://i-guim-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f2f3751a528be7024f635c13d1b1fe0e12ace25f/0_0_3250_1950/master/3250.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8a287cb2d9da006a69dc91538a3e019d)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 18, 2021, 08:13:39 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 18, 2021, 07:52:24 PM
new City third kit absolute aesthetic death

(https://scontent.fman4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/235181700_10159293204595993_7437591510693445662_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_eui2=AeH4CqaA6V29nHmLCeFybgEp3b-7R_9GW73dv7tH_0ZbveiyY0fs9G-cbUQHyHBaXXMxWx5S1dv0k3BK_oHSfG2-&_nc_ohc=Un4SmWutp9IAX8gRnBC&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-1.fna&oh=d9af54721e1a8d069711a06e764f08a6&oe=61410679)

I'm calling this out as bollocks, there's no way that's a real kit.  Maybe a training kit or something.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 18, 2021, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 18, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Speaking of aesthetic death what the fuck has happened to Louis van Gaal?

(https://i-guim-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f2f3751a528be7024f635c13d1b1fe0e12ace25f/0_0_3250_1950/master/3250.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8a287cb2d9da006a69dc91538a3e019d)

Drinking horse DNA in the belief it'll make him immortal?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 18, 2021, 08:30:31 PM
Quote from: badaids on August 18, 2021, 08:13:39 PM
I'm calling this out as bollocks, there's no way that's a real kit.  Maybe a training kit or something.

https://amp.mancity.com/news/club/manchester-city-and-puma-unveil-new-third-kit-63764900
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 18, 2021, 08:33:05 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 18, 2021, 08:30:31 PM
https://amp.mancity.com/news/club/manchester-city-and-puma-unveil-new-third-kit-63764900

Fucking hell.  Imagine being in the meeting where they signed off on that.  I assume it took place at Terry's market stall at Blackbushe Market.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Steven88 on August 18, 2021, 08:37:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/M2RDA8Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 18, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Speaking of aesthetic death what the fuck has happened to Louis van Gaal?

(https://i-guim-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f2f3751a528be7024f635c13d1b1fe0e12ace25f/0_0_3250_1950/master/3250.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8a287cb2d9da006a69dc91538a3e019d)
(https://illgetdrivethru.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/jack-napier-or-arthur-fleck.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on August 18, 2021, 08:55:17 PM
You'd think the club badge would be sort of central to the clubs identity and yet they're missing from those shirts. Is this some kind of new shift in branding? Don't think our lot would stand for it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 18, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
Fuck me. Two dreadful things in that photo.

Three. My father was mauled to death by a puma.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 09:05:01 PM
Butthead's had Botox.
Quote from: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
Can't get enthused for things this year even though I loved the Euros. I'm a Man City fan so obviously I'm the devil incarnate (see also: Bob Dylan thread).
I'm actually more interested in going to see Altrincham but my son really fancies a City game or two this season so I'll take him down.
If you supported them when they were shite, you're OK in my book.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 09:05:01 PM
If you supported them when they were shite, you're OK in my book.
Worry not. I've been there since about 1979.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:10:35 PM
Those third kits are just 'vaguely branded sportswear', the 3rd string 'training top' type stuff you'd get in SportsDirect for £20 because your mum can't afford this seasons kit.

Surely that's a pretty big mistake when people spend big money on the jerseys (even the 3rd change strip).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 18, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
Quote from: ersatz99 on August 18, 2021, 08:55:17 PM
You'd think the club badge would be sort of central to the clubs identity and yet they're missing from those shirts. Is this some kind of new shift in branding? Don't think our lot would stand for it.

It's in the pattern, which makes it easier to grab in genuine enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:31:25 PM
Locatelli to Juventus, the parasite keeps leeching, never satiated. Allegri back, have to worry about them cleaning up the division this year and the status quo returning.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 18, 2021, 09:33:47 PM
they're doing all those weird deals to get players, i hope the chickens will come to roost at some point
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 18, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: ersatz99 on August 18, 2021, 08:55:17 PM
You'd think the club badge would be sort of central to the clubs identity and yet they're missing from those shirts. Is this some kind of new shift in branding? Don't think our lot would stand for it.

You would think so wouldn't you?  You can add to that that it looks utter cheap shite, of the sort that'll get you the piss taken out of you.  Plus it'll be easier for counterfeiters to rip off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on August 18, 2021, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
I'm actually more interested in going to see Altrincham but my son really fancies a City game or two this season so I'll take him down.

Bring him down to Alty! Get him indoctrinated in the Parkinson brand. He can learn the incorrect use of the word 'outstanding' - e.g. to describe drawing 1-1 with Trafford from the NWCL.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 18, 2021, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 18, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Speaking of aesthetic death what the fuck has happened to Louis van Gaal?

(https://i-guim-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f2f3751a528be7024f635c13d1b1fe0e12ace25f/0_0_3250_1950/master/3250.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8a287cb2d9da006a69dc91538a3e019d)

"Gentleman! Let's broaden our minds!" Prince cranks up in the background
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 18, 2021, 09:46:49 PM
I liked van Gaal - OK, the football was mainly dreadful, but I found myself liking him for being a slightly mental Dutchman, which put him at an advantage over his successor.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
I've got family who are City fans. My little cousin is lucky, he's only known them to be successful, whereas my Manc uncle's been a fan from day one and was around in the Shit Years.

I always thought van Gaal was done dirty. United won the FA Cup, they were hardly shit under him. And his pressers were hilarious. Also, he hates Ronald Koeman.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: finnquark on August 18, 2021, 09:38:27 PM
Bring him down to Alty! Get him indoctrinated in the Parkinson brand. He can learn the incorrect use of the word 'outstanding' - e.g. to describe drawing 1-1 with Trafford from the NWCL.
Oh, we'll be there. He plays for one of the U12 teams and we live quite literally next to the ground (Golf road)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 18, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
My friend lives near the ground too and says there's a chippy there that makes its own tartare sauce.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 19, 2021, 07:32:13 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 18, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
My friend lives near the ground too and says there's a chippy there that makes its own tartare sauce.
God it's always about sex with you, isn't it?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 19, 2021, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 18, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Speaking of aesthetic death what the fuck has happened to Louis van Gaal?

(https://i-guim-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f2f3751a528be7024f635c13d1b1fe0e12ace25f/0_0_3250_1950/master/3250.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8a287cb2d9da006a69dc91538a3e019d)

Dude looks like a melting waxwork Butthead
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 19, 2021, 11:36:12 AM
Just been reading an article about Graham Rix and Gwyn Williams being immensely fucking racist to young black players at Chelsea, which will no doubt be written off as banter, and it made me wonder: when did apprentices stop cleaning boots, packing kits and so on? At Wednesday the apprentices used to do that, help maintain the pitch, work in the club shop etc. (and if an apprentice did a crap job, he was Dealt With, presumably by being spanked by Nigel Pearson), but they don't do it now. What changed?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 19, 2021, 11:40:18 AM
If I had to guess, it was because big clubs started offering huge sums of money to the best young players with assurances to the family they wouldn't have to scrubs boots and would get a place in a top local school. Eventually, the other clubs did the same.

This did happen in the old days to a lesser extent: Bobby Charlton was scouted by all the big teams of the time, and his mam let him go to United on the promise he wouldn't be put "on the brush" and would finish his exams/do some kind of apprentice work with a local business.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 19, 2021, 11:41:29 AM
boots don't need cleaning now they spend all their time lying down on bowling greens isn't it!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on August 19, 2021, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 19, 2021, 11:36:12 AM
when did apprentices stop cleaning boots, packing kits and so on? At Wednesday the apprentices used to do that, help maintain the pitch, work in the club shop etc. (and if an apprentice did a crap job, he was Dealt With, presumably by being spanked by Nigel Pearson), but they don't do it now. What changed?
Combo of labour laws and youth players becoming more valuable as the bigger clubs start snapping them up more frequently. It'd be pretty hard for Notts County to make 15 year old Jermaine Pennant do that shit when he's worth more than anyone in the first team, wouldn't be great to be making exceptions for the players that have more leverage either.

Couldn't really make anyone younger than 15 be doing it either, although I'm sure some smaller clubs must still do.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 19, 2021, 02:01:38 PM
A 15 or 16 year old Alan Shearer (with the Wallace twins and others) cleaning boots in the 80s:
(https://i2-prod.gazettelive.co.uk/incoming/article12299340.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/saints.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 19, 2021, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
I always thought van Gaal was done dirty. United won the FA Cup, they were hardly shit under him. And his pressers were hilarious. Also, he hates Ronald Koeman.

They weren't complete shit, but they weren't good - they'd finished 5th in the league which wasn't good enough, especially when he inherited a team which was still only one season removed from being champions. And the playing style was absolute dogshit, the team looked terrified of doing any attacking most of the time which was the thing that absolutely lost the fans. I'm pretty sure there were no United fans unhappy that he was sacked.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 19, 2021, 02:31:47 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 19, 2021, 02:08:49 PM
They weren't complete shit, but they weren't good - they'd finished 5th in the league which wasn't good enough, especially when he inherited a team which was still only one season removed from being champions. And the playing style was absolute dogshit, the team looked terrified of doing any attacking most of the time which was the thing that absolutely lost the fans. I'm pretty sure there were no United fans unhappy that he was sacked.
As I said above, I liked the man as a personality, but after a couple of early setbacks (a 5-3 loss at Leicester after being 3-1 up, getting drubbed 4-0 at MK Dons) he clearly decided the team wasn't trustworthy enough and brought in a ultra-cautious style. There was a couple of brief occasions we looked brilliant (the 2-1 win at Anfield, Mata with both goals, and a first half vs Spurs at the same time where we went in 3-0 up) but there was plenty of absolute horror shows - we somehow got a 2-1 win at Arsenal despite only having one shot on target.

He got screwed over a bit by Ed Woodward, who didn't get the signings van Gaal wanted in 2014, but he wasted a lot of money on Depay - if he'd brought in someone else that Summer who'd won us one extra point, we'd have finished 4th (with City 5th) and he may well have been able to see out the last season of his contract. Van Gaal has claimed he offered to resign six months earlier after a wretched Christmas period (no wins in six through December 2015, including a defeat that saw us knocking out of the CL) but Woodward told him his job was safe for the duration.

Worth pointing out that of the team that last won the league in 2013, three of the key backline (Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic) left a year later. I'm not sure Moyes would ever have succeeded here, but giving him only Fellaini to build on an aging team wasn't doing him any favours. It was pretty much a repeat of what happened post-Busby in terms of hiring practises, though we thankfully missed out on the relegation part.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 19, 2021, 02:41:16 PM
I will always have sympathy for van Gaal due to the manner of his sacking. I remember that BBC Sport ran the story of Mourinho's appointment literally as soon as the whistle blew on the FA Cup final. Not the biggest trophy obvs and the football was turgid, but he had earned the right to enjoy the victory before everyone's attention moved on to the next man.

I don't know whether that was the doing of Man U or Mourinho or both, but it stank. Similar to the way that journalists were briefed the night before Moyes' sacking.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 19, 2021, 02:46:57 PM
It pissed me off too, especially given how Mourinho turned out. Europa aside. Bastard ruined Lukaku.

The football under Butthead was turgid but by Christ was it painful under Mourinho. Watching them battering Leeds, by contrast, was so much fun. Pogba was actually GOOD. As was Tits McGee. Makes me feel less angry about the 4-0 thumping.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 19, 2021, 02:58:24 PM
It was almost an open secret round Manchester that Mourinho was inbound from about January 2016 - Woodward got hard for him because he was a high-profile name that would bring clicks and all that shit.

Him bringing in Ibrahimovic was a smart move, as it kept Pogba's ego in check due to not being the big shot in the dressing room. Our league form was patchy that year (finished 6th) but we did win the EL and the League Cup, so fans were happy enough. At the start of the next season, everything looked great as we were putting away four goals a week on a regular basis (six times in the first ten games), then we went to Anfield and the manager shit the bed, deciding to ground out a 0-0 borefest from which the momentum never recovered.

Unlike van Gaal, I never liked Mourinho, probably due to the time he brought Porto to OT in 2004 and knocked us out of Europe with the help of a Scholes goal disallowed by a joke of an offside decision. There's some parallel universe where that goal is given, Porto don't win the CL that year and Jose remained a much respected coach in Portugal without breaking through to the highest level.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 19, 2021, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 19, 2021, 02:31:47 PM
He got screwed over a bit by Ed Woodward, who didn't get the signings van Gaal wanted in 2014

Eh? That summer they signed Ander Herrera, Luke Shaw, Daley Blind, Marcos Rojo and Angel di Maria.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 19, 2021, 03:22:13 PM
If only van Gaal had been given another five years, signing Luke Shaw would have looked like genius.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 19, 2021, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 19, 2021, 03:13:34 PM
Eh? That summer they signed Ander Herrera, Luke Shaw, Daley Blind, Marcos Rojo and Angel di Maria.
Blind aside, I'm not sure any would have been on van Gaal's wish list - he's said di Maria certainly wasn't. We'd been chasing Herrera a year earlier - you might remember the farce with the fake reps turning up in Bilbao - so he's down as a Woodward signing.

You missed out Falcao coming in on loan (at some expense) too. 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on August 19, 2021, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: badaids on August 18, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
You would think so wouldn't you?  You can add to that that it looks utter cheap shite, of the sort that'll get you the piss taken out of you.  Plus it'll be easier for counterfeiters to rip off.

https://twitter.com/ThatChris1209/status/1428454047300964353?s=20 (https://twitter.com/ThatChris1209/status/1428454047300964353?s=20)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 19, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
spurs doing a bit of spursin
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 20, 2021, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 19, 2021, 02:58:24 PM
It was almost an open secret round Manchester that Mourinho was inbound from about January 2016 - Woodward got hard for him because he was a high-profile name that would bring clicks and all that shit.

I read somewhere that when Ferguson left Man U in 2013 he was devastated that he didn't get the job and Moyes did.  Apparently he had lobbied pretty hard to get the job but a few of the Man U paladins such as Bobby Charlton had vetoed Mourinho because of his arrogance and attitude.  When he found he was in tears and it was a blow to his confidence and ego that he still has not recovered from.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 20, 2021, 09:10:29 AM
Charlton was onto something.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 20, 2021, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: badaids on August 20, 2021, 12:05:10 AM
I read somewhere that when Ferguson left Man U in 2013 he was devastated that he didn't get the job and Moyes did.  Apparently he had lobbied pretty hard to get the job but a few of the Man U paladins such as Bobby Charlton had vetoed Mourinho because of his arrogance and attitude.  When he found he was in tears and it was a blow to his confidence and ego that he still has not recovered from.
That certainly tallies with what I heard. There was a story from sometime just before Ferguson retired that at some manager's shindig, Mourinho was sat at the same table as Fergie and when the latter was away for a moment, the former basically said "I want his job when he retires". Fergie then suddenly reappeared and some wag said "what was that you were saying, Jose?" and he repeated his intent to a poker-faced Ferguson. But, yes, the word on the Manchester grapevine was that Charlton was the main nay-sayer to the appointment, though it still doesn't explain the thought processes that led to Moyes being hired. 

By the time he did arrive at United, I think the experiences (for which he was far from blameless) with Chelsea and Real had burned him out.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 20, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
Everton have signed a PL and World Club Cup winning keeper. A signing to excite the fans.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 20, 2021, 07:15:38 PM
spurs scum getting sarr for ten millions. the fuck are we supposed to do if all the best ligue 1 players are leaving at 18 for fuck all
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 20, 2021, 08:04:53 PM
OH NOES LOL NO GOLEKEEPER PLAYD FOR LIVERPOOLZ!! Nah, as long as he's good, I don't care. Though I wonder what Joao Virginia did wrong.

Apparently Everton Women are going to be playing at Goodison. I really want to go. Downside is, it's Man City and we will get battered.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on August 20, 2021, 08:19:14 PM
I can look past the journeyman ex-red goalkeeper but not the (not quite a journeyman yet) ex-red manager. With work on the new ground having started, i'm starting to think about how many more visits to Goodison i actually have left... i doubt i'll go while he's in charge but as he isn't manager of the womens team i might toddle along. I will catch a womens game at Walton Hall Park too at some point as the club seem to have built some decent facilities there (some covered seats).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 20, 2021, 08:21:20 PM
Fucking City bought Raso off us as well. Bastards. :(
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 20, 2021, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 20, 2021, 08:04:53 PM
OH NOES THE GOLEKEEPER PLAYD FOR LIVERPOOLZ!! Nah, as long as he's good, I don't care. Though I wonder what Joao Virginia did wrong.

He won't play a minute. Same as with Liverpool. He was signed on a short term contract as emergency cover when Alisson and Kelleher were injured and Adrian was brought in. He was close to playing against Southampton following the Super Cup because Adrian picked up an injury but thankfully he was fit for the game. I believe Klopp kept him on for the full season as he was a good influence on the dressing room.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on August 20, 2021, 09:01:05 PM
This Everton and Benitez stuff is hilarious. Imagine the scenes at the City Ground when Clough was appointed. 'Why have we got this fucking Derby cunt in? Cunt can fuck off.'
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 09:08:03 PM
If only Rafa was on that kind of upward trajectory. Probably be a more exciting appointment if they got him the season after 2005. I doubt you'd have heard a peep of objection out of Everton fans (or that season where Liverpool only lost it because of Manchester United barely dropping a point).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on August 20, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
Clough wasn't really on the up when he went to F*rest though was he? Fucked it at Div 3 Brighton after Derby, and then clusterfucked it at Leeds.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 20, 2021, 09:47:34 PM
He's not Sam Allardyce. That's already a plus.

I've never seen a women's game before and am looking forward to it. I know everyone says women's football is shite but I've seen Everton play in the Walter Smith years, and my last match was when Fat Sam was in charge (never seen us play under Koeman, Silva or Ancelotti). It can't be worse than that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 21, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 20, 2021, 08:24:00 PM
He won't play a minute. Same as with Liverpool. He was signed on a short term contract as emergency cover when Alisson and Kelleher were injured and Adrian was brought in. He was close to playing against Southampton following the Super Cup because Adrian picked up an injury but thankfully he was fit for the game. I believe Klopp kept him on for the full season as he was a good influence on the dressing room.

(https://i.imgur.com/zNlMM6x.png)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 21, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
He is quite handsome tbf[nb]I have a thing about goalies. Within reason though, I would not shag Steve Ogrizovic or Neville Southall, legend though he is.[/nb].
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 21, 2021, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on August 20, 2021, 09:01:05 PM
This Everton and Benitez stuff is hilarious. Imagine the scenes at the City Ground when Clough was appointed. 'Why have we got this fucking Derby cunt in? Cunt can fuck off.'
Lucky for Matt Busby (and United) that the kind of animosity towards rivals that we have now wasn't around in 1945, when the ex-City and Liverpool player was asked to take charge at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Poisson Du Jour on August 21, 2021, 03:22:22 PM
I've got this on mute in the background and I'm only half-watching, but was the City goal disallowed when Silva brushed against Rashica? I considered giving up football after the Euros for this. I am turning into an old man, but it's unwatchable at times.

Edit: first goal for Pidgoet
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 21, 2021, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on August 20, 2021, 09:01:05 PM
This Everton and Benitez stuff is hilarious. Imagine the scenes at the City Ground when Clough was appointed. 'Why have we got this fucking Derby cunt in? Cunt can fuck off.'

Football is about enjoying the varied miseries of all other teams, players, staff and especially fans. Every dropped point or injury for any other team is weightless ecstasy to me.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 21, 2021, 04:49:31 PM
Jaden Philogene-Bidace seems perfectly designed to piss commentators off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 21, 2021, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on August 20, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
Clough wasn't really on the up when he went to F*rest though was he? Fucked it at Div 3 Brighton after Derby, and then clusterfucked it at Leeds.

That all happened very quickly and both for clear reasons. . Benitez has been close to irrelevant for 7+ years.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 21, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 21, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
I would not shag Steve Ogrizovic[/nb].

I would! You just have a poor taste in goalkeepers.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 21, 2021, 09:58:47 PM
I'm sure he was quite the stud when he was younger. Bielsa was. He had gorgeous flowing locks.

Haven't Norwich got Chelsea next week? Their fixture list is like an Endurance round in Mortal Kombat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 21, 2021, 10:08:50 PM
Given their business model is about rinsing both divisions I'm sure they're sipping from a delicious highball glass of arsed mate.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 21, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on August 21, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
I would! You just have a poor taste in goalkeepers.

You know that Ogrizovic was old bill don't you?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 21, 2021, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 21, 2021, 10:08:50 PM
Given their business model is about rinsing both divisions I'm sure they're sipping from a delicious highball glass of arsed mate.
They're up and down like a whore's knickers.

Bastards will still beat us though. We have a habit of losing to bottom 3 teams. By Christ their defence are shit. They practically rolled over and let Mahrez have that fifth goal.

ETA: TEN LEEDS PLAYERS DIED OVER THE PAST 2 YEARS?! Fucking hell, that's depressing.

Also, Keane has given away 2 goals in 2 games. Bad Keane. Bad. That Raphinha goal was a screamer tbf. And Mina was lucky as fuck.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 22, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Klopp lost the charisma big time. Always whining like a big little baby. Violence and life-changing injury are a fundamental part of the game. Guy's never happier than when playing second fiddle and he got someone to blame. Well, he must be on the cloud nine 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 22, 2021, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: badaids on August 21, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
You know that Ogrizovic was old bill don't you?

His punishment has already been served by being forced to walk the beat with Christopher Dean.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 11:13:06 AM
Why is Klopp mad? They won! And speaking of managers, Steve Bruce seems to think refs are against him for some reason.

More hot takes on Everton: Calvert-Lewin. I love him, but his incessant missing drives me nuts. I hope Demarai Gray pays off as a signing. He's looked good so far.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 22, 2021, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 11:13:06 AM

More hot takes on Everton: Calvert-Lewin. I love him, but his incessant missing drives me nuts. I hope Demarai Gray pays off as a signing. He's looked good so far.

I love DCL, he has many strengths, but he does lack the clinical finishing of the very best strikers.  And I love Gray too - loads of toffees were whinging when we signed him but 1.5m was always going to be a bargain.  Long way to go but he looks a steal so far - it's great to see that he looks like he's enjoying himself too.  All our centre backs are error prone but Michael Keane, even on the odd streaks of form he has shown has always got a catastrophic error in him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on August 22, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
Calvert-Lewin is elite in the air but a pretty average finisher with his feet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: greenman on August 22, 2021, 12:05:12 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 20, 2021, 10:53:04 AM
That certainly tallies with what I heard. There was a story from sometime just before Ferguson retired that at some manager's shindig, Mourinho was sat at the same table as Fergie and when the latter was away for a moment, the former basically said "I want his job when he retires". Fergie then suddenly reappeared and some wag said "what was that you were saying, Jose?" and he repeated his intent to a poker-faced Ferguson. But, yes, the word on the Manchester grapevine was that Charlton was the main nay-sayer to the appointment, though it still doesn't explain the thought processes that led to Moyes being hired. 

By the time he did arrive at United, I think the experiences (for which he was far from blameless) with Chelsea and Real had burned him out.

I suspect with Moyes the idea was maybe he could have success on the relative cheap whilst playing up the idea of being Fergie Mk2 as a counter to negative reaction to the Glazers taking money out of the club to finance the debt.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 22, 2021, 12:07:42 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 11:13:06 AM
Why is Klopp mad? They won!

There were a few instances of Burnley players doing that backing-in-while-the-opponent-jumps thing (that former footballer Sir Harold Kane was so fond of), none of which were given as fouls.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 22, 2021, 02:32:55 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/cardiff-vs-millwall-crowd-trouble-24810696

Obviously #notallmillwallfans but why dont they just ban them from every ground?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 22, 2021, 04:40:13 PM

Hate watching Arsenal Chelsea.  Really hoping Arsenal get a whoopin'.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 22, 2021, 05:42:32 PM
Hate Chelsea but it's still amusing seeing just how bad Arsenal are. Only decision Chelsea need to make in the second half is if they sit back a bit and see it out at 2-0 or if they really go in for the kill to show their title credentials because if they do that it could be utter carnage.

Imagine being an Arsenal fan who grew up watching the impregnable defences of the early '90s or the talent and innovation of the Wenger years and then watching these clowns.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 22, 2021, 05:59:03 PM
They're at least putting some effort in in the second half
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 06:52:33 PM
Taking the knee has made Millwall fans even cuntier, and this is a set of fans whose own manager and best player had to tell them to fuck off when they invaded the pitch.
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 22, 2021, 05:42:32 PM
Hate Chelsea but it's still amusing seeing just how bad Arsenal are. Only decision Chelsea need to make in the second half is if they sit back a bit and see it out at 2-0 or if they really go in for the kill to show their title credentials because if they do that it could be utter carnage.

Imagine being an Arsenal fan who grew up watching the impregnable defences of the early '90s or the talent and innovation of the Wenger years and then watching these clowns.
I was thinking this earlier. From Henry, Vieira and Bergkamp to...this.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 22, 2021, 07:03:17 PM
Yeah it wasn't that bad for Arsenal in the end, but the fact that I'm saying "it wasn't that bad for them" even taking in mind that this looks to be a very strong Chelsea side says it all.

Imagine if the European Super League had gone ahead.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
I think we might have a four-horse race for the title this year, rather than it being the Liverpool and Man City Show.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 22, 2021, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
I think we might have a four-horse race for the title this year, rather than it being the Liverpool and Man City Show.

I love him but I dont think Rafa will do THAT well at Everton!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 22, 2021, 08:10:20 PM
https://twitter.com/80sAging/status/1429511648365133830

(https://i.imgur.com/MC5nvNb.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 22, 2021, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 22, 2021, 07:33:34 PM
I love him but I dont think Rafa will do THAT well at Everton!
If we won the league under Rafa, I will actually die.

(I was talking about Chelsea and Man United)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 22, 2021, 09:21:19 PM
Ronaldo scored an injury time winner for Juve, took his shirt off and got a booking only for the goal to be ruled off by VAR. Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Rizla on August 22, 2021, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 22, 2021, 09:21:19 PM
Ronaldo scored an injury time winner for Juve, took his shirt off and got a booking only for the goal to be ruled off by VAR. Lovely stuff.
Unbelievable. My modest accumulator tits up cos of that result too. 4/11 to win they were. I could bloody spit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 22, 2021, 09:52:08 PM
I knew Arsenal were bad but didn't realise it was gonna be this bad
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 22, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
Bit of banter in France.

Nice fans were throwing bottles at Marseilles players whenever they took set pieces up that end of the pitch. Near the end of the game, they successfully hit Dmitri Payet in the back of the head. Classy. Payet proceeded to fuck the bottle right back into the crowd. The Nice fans then invaded the pitch and the resulting brawl saw a Marseilles coach Falcon Punch a Nice fan and at least two Marseilles players ending up with choke marks on their necks.

Sacre bleu!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 22, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 22, 2021, 10:31:44 PM

Nice fans were throwing bottles at Marseilles players whenever they took set pieces up that end of the pitch. Near the end of the game, they successfully hit Dmitri Payet in the back of the head.

If  they were the nice fans, I'd hate to see the nasty ones!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 23, 2021, 12:35:28 AM
nuke the all lot
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 23, 2021, 12:47:56 AM
Big Man Shaq joining Lyon for £9m - lovely bit of business for them (if he can stay fit). Harvey Elliott is now replacing both Wijnaldum and Shaqiri in the team according to the local journos, must be a hell of a player
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 23, 2021, 07:42:07 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 22, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
Bit of banter in France.

Nice fans were throwing bottles at Marseilles players whenever they took set pieces up that end of the pitch. Near the end of the game, they successfully hit Dmitri Payet in the back of the head. Classy. Payet proceeded to fuck the bottle right back into the crowd. The Nice fans then invaded the pitch and the resulting brawl saw a Marseilles coach Falcon Punch a Nice fan and at least two Marseilles players ending up with choke marks on their necks.

Sacre bleu!

So good to have the fans back...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 23, 2021, 08:11:16 AM
I have to say that this is probably the best time to be a Cov fan since 1987. Everyone seems to be on board from the CEO to the management team, the players to the fans. Also a great style of football and winning games. The players genuinely seem to be a nice bunch of lads who all get on and everything is wonderful.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 23, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/22/celtic-condemn-sickening-racist-abuse-of-kyogo-furuhashi-by-rangers-fans

QuoteIn response to the video, a Rangers club spokesperson said: "Rangers condemns all forms of racism and discrimination. Those who partake in such behaviour are not representative of our club or the loyal support who have stood by us through thick and thin.

Yeah mate, reckon.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 23, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 23, 2021, 07:42:07 AM
So good to have the fans back...

I already miss the atmosphere of empty stadiums and fake crowd noise.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 23, 2021, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 22, 2021, 12:07:42 PM
There were a few instances of Burnley players doing that backing-in-while-the-opponent-jumps thing (that former footballer Sir Harold Kane was so fond of), none of which were given as fouls.

I think he had this in mind complaining about 'wrestling':

(https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/FWAJMYORTCSR/ezgif-com-video-to-gif.gif)

"Good tackle, mate. Fair play."

(Also I love the fact that Keita approaches the ball like a frightened child in that clip. Had a good pre-season though. This'll be his year etc.)

Burnley were physical but fair until they went 2-0 down at which point they just became a shower of dirty bastards, and kept reacting with Surprised Pikachu Faces whenever the ref bothered to blow for a foul.

What Klopp and managers of other big clubs should do instead of complaining is buy one or two of the dirtiest bastards they can find and bring them off the bench to commit as many fouls as possible when the Burnleys and Evertons of this world resort to kicking their opponents cos they're not content with having the collective footballing ability of a bag of shite. If teams want to shithouse instead of play football, just out-shithouse them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 23, 2021, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: Mobius on August 22, 2021, 09:52:08 PM
I knew Arsenal were bad but didn't realise it was gonna be this bad

looking forward to the first game of the season against Norwich.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 23, 2021, 12:28:51 PM
ETA: no. I am not going to do this.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on August 23, 2021, 12:35:37 PM
Everton under Moyes used to get over fired-up in Merseyside derbies. Three double red cards in four years, I think.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 23, 2021, 12:39:34 PM
We had some real shitbags in the squad. Gareth Barry being an example, although he was Martinez era.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 23, 2021, 12:42:27 PM
Wasn't there a game where Beattie and Gerrard had "08" instead of 8 on their jerseys as part of the campaign for Liverpool to be the 2008 Capital of Culture campaign and they both got sent off?

EDIT: No, I'm wrong. Van der Meyde was sent off for Everton not Beattie. It was funnier in my memory when it was the two no. 8s.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on August 23, 2021, 12:46:28 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 23, 2021, 12:39:34 PM
We had some real shitbags in the squad. Gareth Barry being an example, although he was Martinez era.
Yeah but we did too. It felt for a good few years like Moyes was too focused on hyping it up as a battle and consequently you'd sometimes blow up. The red cards stopped in the last few years under Moyes, post Rafa leaving us, probably because the teams became more evenly matched and you could compete better on football terms.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on August 23, 2021, 01:52:22 PM
Brilliant end to our opening day win (https://twitter.com/DaveMossTechBod/status/1429108307428581383)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 23, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
Quote from: finnquark on August 23, 2021, 01:52:22 PM
Brilliant end to our opening day win (https://twitter.com/DaveMossTechBod/status/1429108307428581383)
Yes. Great start to the season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 23, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: lankyguy95 on August 23, 2021, 12:46:28 PM
Yeah but we did too. It felt for a good few years like Moyes was too focused on hyping it up as a battle and consequently you'd sometimes blow up. The red cards stopped in the last few years under Moyes, post Rafa leaving us, probably because the teams became more evenly matched and you could compete better on football terms.
It's funny that Everton are seen as this violent arsehole team cos so many of our fans complain about how nice the squad are. Quite a few of them seemed to think that Seamus Coleman should have ripped Heung-min Son's bollocks off with his teeth instead of comforting him when Andre Gomes got injured.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 23, 2021, 09:11:08 PM
Everton are fine now but the everton team for me growing up was Cahill, Fellaini, Pienaar and then Williams and Mirallas.

But then the derby was dirty as fuck even just ten years ago. Gerrard was fucking awful.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 23, 2021, 11:05:06 PM
Mine was the remnants of the FA Cup team, followed by Cadamarteri, Branch, Materazzi, Campbell, Jeffers, Rooney, Myhre etc. I sadly missed out on a lot of the Moyes years when I temporarily stopped following football, and got back into it around 2012 or so - I know it was the season before Martinez because I remember the Wigan defeat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 23, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 23, 2021, 09:11:08 PM
Everton are fine now but the everton team for me growing up was Cahill, Fellaini, Pienaar and then Williams and Mirallas.

But then the derby was dirty as fuck even just ten years ago. Gerrard was fucking awful.

I loved Tim Cahill, was a bit sad when Arsenal signed Arteta as we'd been linked with Cahill before.

Where I work now (in Australia) the bloke who runs the coffee shop opposite my office was Tim Cahill's best mate growing up, and Tim was his best man at his wedding.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on August 24, 2021, 12:01:28 AM
Cahill's goal against Netherlands at the 2014 world cup was one of the greatest things I've even seen. I always bought Cahill in fantasy football going back 15+ years ago, so it felt a bit like he'd scored that Unofficially The Goal of the Tournament just for me. Love that guy
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 24, 2021, 12:02:45 AM
looks like andy carroll is still a free agent. a very sad state of affair
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
So Newcastle's goalie got COVID, ended up in hospital, and several of them still won't get jabbed. And neither will players in the Man United or Middlesbrough squads.

QuoteSteve Bruce has revealed that "a lot" of Newcastle United players have not been vaccinated against Covid and cited "conspiracy theories" as a reason why so many professional footballers are reluctant to get inoculated.

"We've got a lot of players who haven't had the jab," said the Newcastle manager. "It's their prerogative. We've had two or three players really sick with Covid here and Karl Darlow spent the best part of a week in hospital with it, so we've seen the severity of it first-hand. But there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there.

"I would urge everybody to get jabbed, and that's the advice of this country's top medics, but not everyone's going to have the same opinion. If you get a group of 20 people you are not all going to have the same opinion."

Given the stark reality that Darlow lost two stone during the course of five nights in hospital this summer and is still not fit enough to return to the first-team squad, the high number of vaccine refuseniks at St James' Park may seem surprising. However, Bruce is far from the only manager imploring his squad to protect themselves. Ole Gunnar Solskjær has recently spoken of his struggle to convince certain players at Manchester United to have the inoculations and Neil Warnock said"the majority" of his Middlesbrough squad had declined invitations to be injected.

Their Newcastle counterpart appreciates it is becoming a widespread problem in football. "We had a meeting of all the Premier League managers a week or so ago and half the meeting surrounded Covid and how vital it is that people are jabbed," said Bruce. "A quarter of the people in hospital at the moment are aged under 30 – and that's simply because they are not having the jab."

Given that Darlow is regarded as one of Newcastle's fittest professionals, Bruce was "shocked" by the goalkeeper's appearance when he came out of hospital having lost almost two stone. His continued absence from first team involvement at a time when the club's first-choice goalkeeper, Martin Dubravka, is sidelined by a foot injury complicated by a post surgical infection dictates that Freddie Woodman will once again play in goal at Aston Villa on Saturday.

Woodman had been heading to Bournemouth on loan before Darlow's illness and could remain on Tyneside as Bruce contemplates the hitherto "unheard of" potential need to name four goalkeepers – Dubravka, Darlow, Woodman and Mark Gillespie – in the 25-man Premier League squad he must finalise by the end of the month.

Darlow, meanwhile, has told Bruce that once he feels well enough he will speak publicly about his experience of Covid and appeal for everyone to get vaccinated.

Fucking idiots. It's alright for them, they're loaded, they can afford top-notch medical care if they get sick. Not everyone they come into contact can.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 10:19:33 AM
Can't the club just instruct them to get vaccinated? Or refuse to play them until they do? You can drop a guy cos he refuses to play in a specific position if you like and this is a bit more important than that.

Or will the PFA come in and protect the players' rights to be anti-vax loonies?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 24, 2021, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: chveik on August 24, 2021, 12:02:45 AM
looks like andy carroll is still a free agent. a very sad state of affair

He could do a job for Celtic I reckon. As a groundsman.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 10:19:33 AM
Can't the club just instruct them to get vaccinated? Or refuse to play them until they do? You can drop a guy cos he refuses to play in a specific position if you like and this is a bit more important than that.

Or will the PFA come in and protect the players' rights to be anti-vax loonies?
In our case, Fabian Delph is always bloody injured anyway so he's no big loss. But how fucking thick do you have to be to see one of your team mates end up in hospital with COVID and still go 'herp derp COVID don't real'?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
In our case, Fabian Delph is always bloody injured anyway so he's no big loss. But how fucking thick do you have to be to see one of your team mates end up in hospital with COVID and still go 'herp derp COVID don't real'?

I suppose modern footballers generally aren't known for their intelligence.

The problem with Delph is if he has COVID for the 3 days a season he's fit to train he'll give it to his team mates.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
And said team mates will give it to their families. Or Rafa. Or ground staff, kit staff etc.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on August 24, 2021, 05:47:50 PM
In a Manchester United context, do the players who aren't getting vaccinated not realise how badly Dean Henderson has been affected since he caught covid? He's still out with it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 24, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on August 24, 2021, 05:47:50 PM
In a Manchester United context, do the players who aren't getting vaccinated not realise how badly Dean Henderson has been affected since he caught covid? He's still out with it.
Steve Bruce points out above that he's had players very ill with it, but it doesn't count a jolt with those who don't want the jab.

Let's face it, footballers as a group aren't exactly known for their high intelligence. Add in all that free time to be fed online conspiracy theory shit and it's not a surprise nonsense like this happens - the manager should name and shame the selfish fuckers. I'd have said based on the weekend, Anthony Martial may be one and he'd caught a dose, but then I remembered casually strolling around without giving a hoot about the game going on around him is kind of his gimmick.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 06:27:17 PM
There's another article about cricket players getting into conspiracy theories, and athletes and COVID in general: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/aug/23/anti-vaxx-athletes-stance-show-myths-cut-across-boundaries-privilege-covid
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 24, 2021, 06:29:55 PM
The fact so many of these thick privileged cunts are so wealthy for just playing some games is so bloody dispiriting mind.

Wish we could just knock their wages down half just to give em a kick in the bollocks and send them back down to earth with the rest of us.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 07:15:59 PM
It's the selfishness of it in Newcastle/Middlesbrough/Delph's case that makes me angry. Football is a team sport. Compromising your team mates' health because you're balls deep in woo and conspiracy theories is immensely selfish. What happens if your team ends up with all the good players out? Or the manager in hospital?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 24, 2021, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 07:15:59 PM
It's the selfishness of it in Newcastle/Middlesbrough/Delph's case that makes me angry. Football is a team sport. Compromising your team mates' health because you're balls deep in woo and conspiracy theories is immensely selfish. What happens if your team ends up with all the good players out? Or the manager in hospital?

well in Newcastle's case...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on August 24, 2021, 07:37:45 PM
Judging by the number of players who bless themselves when running onto the pitch I expect a lot are religious and we've all seen the conspiracies of vaccines being part of an Evil plan (for depopulation) . You just can't reason with these beliefs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 07:41:55 PM
Quote from: ersatz99 on August 24, 2021, 07:37:45 PM
Judging by the number of players who bless themselves when running onto the pitch I expect a lot are religious and we've all seen the conspiracies of vaccines being part of an Evil plan (for depopulation) . You just can't reason with these beliefs.

Not seen much about it in the Liverpool squad, though, which has a good few religious blokes in it.

Unless the club are doing a good job of keeping it quiet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 24, 2021, 07:44:54 PM
giving a shitload of money to teenagers and surround them with greedy cunts isn't such a good idea after all
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 24, 2021, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 07:41:55 PM
Not seen much about it in the Liverpool squad, though, which has a good few religious blokes in it.

Former player but even 5G conspiracy nut Lovren has gotten the vaccine.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 24, 2021, 07:46:57 PM
Former player but even 5G conspiracy nut Lovren has gotten the vaccine.

Wonder did Nathan "9/11 was an inside job by the Illuminati" Ecclestone get it?

Is he even still a footballer, I wonder? He was quite shit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 07:41:55 PM
Not seen much about it in the Liverpool squad, though, which has a good few religious blokes in it.

Unless the club are doing a good job of keeping it quiet.
Yeah, Firmino and Allisson are super, super religious, aren't they part of some evangelical church? I went on Firmino's Instagram because I fancy him even though he is a red do not judge me plz fellow Evertonians and it's 90% JESUS I LOVE YOU. We've got a few Christians as well, Mina for instance, though I don't know if they're the weird 'G-d will heal me so I don't need a vaccine' types. Delph is just a twat.

Also, the fact Liverpool's manager's mum died of COVID might be a wake-up call for the squad. If I was Klopp and I had COVID deniers in my squad I'd be fucking livid (I'm sure he would be himself, he's got his head screwed on).

ETA: Lovren was a conspiracy theorist?! Fuck my hat. Actually, Iker Casillas believes the moon landings don't real, which is pretty batshit even by goalkeeper standards. I wonder if he's been jabbed.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 09:37:28 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
Yeah, Firmino and Allisson are super, super religious, aren't they part of some evangelical church? I went on Firmino's Instagram because I fancy him even though he is a red do not judge me plz fellow Evertonians and it's 90% JESUS I LOVE YOU. We've got a few Christians as well, Mina for instance, though I don't know if they're the weird 'G-d will heal me so I don't need a vaccine' types. Delph is just a twat.

They're Pentecostals, and so is Fabinho, I think. Alisson actually baptised Firmino in his swimming pool.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 24, 2021, 09:44:03 PM
i bet they give very large donations to have their seats reserved in heaven (some brazilian churches are fucked up)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 24, 2021, 09:37:28 PM
They're Pentecostals, and so is Fabinho, I think. Alisson actually baptised Firmino in his swimming pool.
Tbh I found it a bit cringey, and I'd be saying the same if it was Richarlison or Bernard, this isn't me being a nasty bitter bluenose. Religion should be a private thing, not this big OTT thing where you're showboating about how religious you are. It all just seems like showing off. When I went to the mikveh[nb]The Jewish equivalent of baptism for converts[/nb], only my mum and the rabbi were there to hear me.

It also makes me wonder what their attitude to gay players in the squad would be. Eniola Aluko is a Tory and a Christian, it makes me wonder how she behaved towards her lesbian/bi team mates at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 24, 2021, 10:14:38 PM
women's football is far more tolerant of lgbtq players. men keep it to themselves because they don't want to be bullied by teammates and supporters
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 24, 2021, 10:16:46 PM
Pretty much all footballers (possibly aside from Marcus Rashford) are Tories.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 24, 2021, 10:20:05 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on August 24, 2021, 10:16:46 PM
Pretty much all footballers (possibly aside from Marcus Rashford) are Tories.
Maybe Juan Mata too, but I think this has long been the case. I've mentioned before that Hunter Davis' book about Spurs from the early 70s had a Q&A section with the squad in the back in which pretty much every player stated they voted Conservative: notable exceptions being Pat Jennings (who preferred not to say) and Steve Perryman (Labour). Someone with outspoken socialist values like Bill Shankly seems very much an exception - I can't imagine many of his players shared his views.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 10:20:34 PM
Rio Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Peter Reid, Neville Southall, Leighton Baines, Chris Hughton, David Moyes and - this is true - Sam Allardyce are all Labour voters as well. They are but a minority though. Loads of ex-Wednesday players seem to be raging Tories, or worse, in Chris Waddle and Chris Turner's cases. Tbh I've accepted most footballers are Tories, I can deal with the likes of Lampard, it's the ones like Le Tissier or, even worse, di Canio I can't stand.
Quote from: chveik on August 24, 2021, 10:14:38 PM
women's football is far more tolerant of lgbtq players. men keep it to themselves because they don't want to be bullied by teammates and supporters
One of the reasons why I've been following it more recently, tbh. It's depressing how we're in 2021 and gay/bi male players are still too frightened to come out because they know fans and their team mates will bully them over it. I mean, Manuel Neuer isn't even gay and he got abuse for wearing a rainbow armband, and a lot of players and managers come from countries where homosexuality is either illegal or frowned on.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 24, 2021, 10:28:40 PM
I doubt Henderson is a tory. One of the most charitable players and was already arranging all of the captain's of PL teams to give money to the NHS when the government started having a go. Plus the local Scouse lads wouldn't be tories.

I believe the Brazilian lads at Liverpool are unfortunately Bolsonaro supporters.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
I'd be legit amazed if Gerrard was, especially given what happened to his cousin. Carragher is a massive lefty too.

I know Ronaldinho is a Bolsonaro fanboy. I think a lot of Brazilian players are, sadly. I know one said Rousseff was too busy concentrating on things like homosexuality and feminism and not on economic policies.

ETA: I googled Firmino/Alisson/Bolsonaro and found this quote from Alisson:
Quote"I believe that people preach a lot of freedom of speech, but they don't know how to respect the opinion of others," the shot-stopper told Folha de Sao Paolo via Sport Witness.
"We have lived years where the left-wing has economically sunk the country. They did good things, they mainly helped the poorest, but what was the goal? What they did badly was much more serious than the positive things.
"You don't have to put it on a scale. He did something wrong, he stole, but he helped so-and-so, the poor. It's not like this.
"I see people who didn't vote for Bolsonaro hoping he does something wrong to be right. It's not a question of being right. If he's a good president, it will be good for everyone, even those who didn't vote for him.
"I hope that the changes that have happened are for the good of Brazil and that I can continue my journey in the national team and bring joy to people through football, which has always been an escape for our country."
I don't know about Richarlison's politics, though I do know he's a big BLM supporter.

(Henderson, incidentally, is apparently a really nice bloke, according to people who've met him. Rivalry aside, I have a lot of time for him for the reasons you've stated.)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 24, 2021, 11:09:28 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on August 24, 2021, 10:16:46 PM
Pretty much all footballers (possibly aside from Marcus Rashford) are Tories.

I think Hector Bellerin is a possible leftie, or at least hates cunt Boris.

Gone are the days of your Shankly and Clough working class socialists football people. But I think Klopp is a lefties and so was Fergie, to give him credit, or at least hate the right. Fuck knows, hard to tell with famous people it could all just be lip service.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 11:13:51 PM
Klopp is definitely a lefty. Not sure about Rafa but he supports the Hillsborough Justice Campaign, which is a huge plus. Incidentally, Jack Charlton was in the Anti-Nazi League, so it's nice to know that not all Wednesday managers are cunts like Ron Atkinson.

Hillsong are absolutely vile. They're a cult. Again: this is nothing to do with my allegiances, and if Everton players were involved with them I'd say the same thing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on August 24, 2021, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
ETA: I googled Firmino/Alisson/Bolsonaro and found this quote from Alisson:I don't know about Richarlison's politics, though I do know he's a big BLM supporter.

My de facto brother in law (former World Champion martial artist from Brazil) espouses similar views, making for countless semi-drunken ramblings. Quite easy to understand in a way, from the things he as said about growing up. he was also hesitant about the vaccine, and still is despite having two doses.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 07:09:24 AM
QuoteIker Casillas believes the moon landings don't real

Just found this bit upthread very funny
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 25, 2021, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 10:20:34 PM
Tbh I've accepted most footballers are Tories, I can deal with the likes of Lampard, it's the ones like Le Tissier or, even worse, di Canio I can't stand.

As a lifelong Saints fan, Le Tissier's more recent pronunciations have broken my heart.

This was a particular eye-opener for me as a 13 year old:

(https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ay_107476913.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C434)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on August 25, 2021, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 24, 2021, 11:09:28 PM
I think Hector Bellerin is a possible leftie, or at least hates cunt Boris.
Hasn't he had moments where he's effectively came across as a union leader for the Arsenal squad too?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 09:54:13 AM
Some family friends are Saints fans and one of them said 'there goes my childhood' after seeing Matt Le Tissier going down the COVID denial rabbit hole. Not to mention he played the 'lockdown is bad for mental health' card...after mocking a mentally ill man on Twitter (I can't remember the entire story). He also signed a petition against masks in schools. Only one of his kids is school age.

Tbh I think it boils down to Le Tissier being butthurt that he can't see his grandkids. He has form for being a cunt though. "If Europe is so great, why is it full of poor people?" and liking a tweet by Simon Jordan of a homophobic article. He was one of my favourite players as a kid too.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 09:56:47 AM
Matt le Tissier, the guy who was acting on his spread bets during games (wanging it into touch in the first 8 seconds, etc.), a cunt?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 09:56:47 AM
Matt le Tissier, the guy who was acting on his spread bets during games (wanging it into touch in the first 8 seconds, etc.), a cunt?

Yeah, I mean as far as lashing the cunt in the net from 35 yards and scoring penalties and megging opponents you can't say fairer than Le Tissier but his utter cuntery in almost every other aspect was obvious even back then and it was clearly the case as he got older and richer that would get even worse.

Didn't Jack Charlton dislike David O'Leary for having unreconstructed right wing views?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 25, 2021, 10:20:23 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 10:12:09 AMDidn't Jack Charlton dislike David O'Leary for having unreconstructed right wing views?
I don't know about that, but soon after he took over as Ireland boss, they were due to play some three-team tournament in Iceland and O'Leary said he didn't want to go because he wanted a holiday. Charlton said something on the lines of "fine, but you won't be getting picked for a long time as I have Moran, McGrath and McCarthy" - and left him out of the Euro '88 squad.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 25, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 09:56:47 AM
Matt le Tissier, the guy who was acting on his spread bets during games (wanging it into touch in the first 8 seconds, etc.), a cunt?

No, that is funny, to be fair. Sticking it in his autobiography for the jackpot.

I worshiped him as a footballer too - but realised from the moment I played the 'Unbelievable' VHS (narrated by David Baddiel) that he was a wazzock at best.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 25, 2021, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 24, 2021, 10:28:40 PM
Plus the local Scouse lads wouldn't be tories.

Not natural born tories, certainly, but I bet there's at least one who became tory on hitting the financial big time. It happens, even in Liverpool - there's nowhere the tories actually get zero votes unfortunately.

Quote from: Kankurette on August 24, 2021, 11:13:51 PM
Jack Charlton was in the Anti-Nazi League, so it's nice to know that not all Wednesday managers are cunts like Ron Atkinson.

And yet, and yet, he's a huntin' shootin' fishin' type isn't he?

As Gary Nev's Labour, I'd be surprised if Phil isn't too. Brian McClair is a big socialist and was very active in anti-poll tax campaigning. I saw Paddy Crerand in Bury when he was campaigning for Labour in the 1992 election.

I've a dim memory of reading somewhere that David Beckham's Labour too.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
Yeah, I mean as far as lashing the cunt in the net from 35 yards and scoring penalties and megging opponents you can't say fairer than Le Tissier but his utter cuntery in almost every other aspect was obvious even back then and it was clearly the case as he got older and richer that would get even worse.

Didn't Jack Charlton dislike David O'Leary for having unreconstructed right wing views?
I don't remember Le Tissier being a cunt in the '90s, other than cheating on his wife and driving her to a suicide attempt, but tbf I didn't know about that until later. Twitter has definitely brought out his inner cunt though.

On the subject of players who can't keep it in their pants, IIRC some of the '90s Wednesday squad were knobbing each other's wives/girlfriends. I've heard some interesting rumours about John Sheridan. And I'm not sure how true this is but David Hirst apparently turned up to a game with black eyes, I think it was Oldham, and the story goes that he'd been hitting on Kevin Pressman's wife, and Big Kev did not take it very well.

Is David O'Leary a fascist or something?
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 25, 2021, 10:38:35 AM
Not natural born tories, certainly, but I bet there's at least one who became tory on hitting the financial big time. It happens, even in Liverpool - there's nowhere the tories actually get zero votes unfortunately.

And yet, and yet, he's a huntin' shootin' fishin' type isn't he?

As Gary Nev's Labour, I'd be surprised if Phil isn't too. Brian McClair is a big socialist and was very active in anti-poll tax campaigning. I saw Paddy Crerand in Bury when he was campaigning for Labour in the 1992 election.

I've a dim memory of reading somewhere that David Beckham's Labour too.
Emlyn Hughes and Graeme Souness were Tories, but tbf they aren't Scousers.

I'm surprised about Beckham, I know his missus is a Tory. Cantona is very left-wing IIRC. And I forgot Pat Nevin who's another left-wing bluenose. There's also an Italian footballer who's a communist. Cristiano Lucarelli.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 25, 2021, 10:47:04 AM
Graeme Le Saux and Pat Nevin were famously sneered at in the dressing room for reading the Guardian instead of the Sun, so while they might not be hardline Maoists, they probably aren't Tories. Le Saux is probably Blairite as fuck, I never liked him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 10:48:53 AM
John Sheridan is a real bad guy and not in a particularly amusing way.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 25, 2021, 10:55:47 AM
General Election 2019: Who the biggest names in football are voting for (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/general-election-2019-who-biggest-21081285) - an article from the MIrror that it's fair to say doesn't entirely live up to the headline. My favourite bit is that Harry Arter - THE BIGGEST NAMES IN FOOTBALL - "waded in on a political debate last month but ended up deleting his Twitter account after mistaking Jeremy Corbyn for Boris Johnson ."

A Vice article about This Kind Of Thing - https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjqqyz/a-potted-history-of-tory-and-labour-footballers
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:10:10 AM
Andy Townsend and Robbie Fowler both made fun of him for being gay because reading a broadsheet apparently makes you a flaming gayer or something. Homophobes are fucking weird. It does hurt a bit that Brian Clough, despite being a socialist, treated Justin Fashanu like dirt for being gay.

On a lighter note, the Upshot printed this interview with Gareth Bale and speculated that he is actually an algorithm in human shape. It's inane even by footballer standards.
Quote
What is your greatest fear?
Not being the best version of myself. In football and in life.

What is your most treasured possession?
My rowing machine. It keeps me fit and mentally sharp during the off-season.

What makes you unhappy?
Nothing. Life is what you make it. You can always find the good in any situation.

Who would play you in the film of your life?
I wouldn't want anyone else to play me.

What is your favourite word?
I prefer a phrase: "It's time...to #SwitchOn." It's amazing how only a few words can say so much. Whenever I hear that phrase, I know it's time to put on my game face.

Which book changed your life?
Soccer Tough by Dan Abrahams, a world-renowned sports psychologist. His book explains how we all have the ability to perform when pressure is at its highest and the opposition is strongest - you just need to unlock it.

What did you want to be when you were growing up?
I just wanted to fulfil my potential.

How do you relax?
Playing golf or at home with friends and loved ones. With the pressures associated with being a professional footballer, I find relaxation in simplicity.

What is the worst thing anyone's said to you?
That I wasn't good enough and I didn't deserve to be where I was. In football and in life, you have to be resilient and harness the power of self-belief.

Is it better to give or to receive?
Both can be just as rewarding as each other.

What is your guiltiest pleasure?
Watching the PGA Tour until late at night. I love watching golf. What I am inspired by the most is how the top players can perform under such huge pressure, especially in a sport where the margin for error and the difference between a good shot and a bad shot is so small.

If you could edit your past, what would you change?
Nothing. Without my past I wouldn't be who I am today.

What do you consider your greatest achievement?
Nothing is the same as the sense of pride and achievement I feel when I see my kids growing up and enjoying the simple pleasures in life.

What keeps you awake at night?
I sleep very well. Nothing keeps you awake when you know within yourself how much you care, how much you give, and that you always try your best. And that's true for me, Clive whether it's on the pitch, on the international stage leading the line for my country, or at home.

How would you like to be remembered?
I only really care about my own opinion of myself, and my family and friends' opinion of me. The rest is just noise.

What is the most important lesson life has taught you?
Always take time to recharge. You can't pour from an empty glass.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:11:26 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 10:48:53 AM
John Sheridan is a real bad guy and not in a particularly amusing way.
Interesting. How so?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 25, 2021, 11:13:35 AM
QuoteJon Walters, meanwhile, had the temerity to tweet that Britain had "seen sense" after re-electing David Cameron, an opinion which naturally earned him a savaging on Twitter.

Far be it from me to defend a Stoke player, but a few years after that tweet, Walters tweeted about how he was helping out at a local food bank and had now changed his political allegiances.

I bet you any money that Michael Owen is one of the biggest tories going. That might be because I keep getting him mixed up with Gary Barlow though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
Michael Owen has serious Lib Dem vibes.

On the subject of Sheridan, I googled 'John Sheridan is a bad man' and found this (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/14/notts-county-owner-alan-hardy-rips-into-scandalous-former-manager-john-sheridan). It's hilarious. BAD REF. BAD. MY KIDS' CHRISTMAS IS RUINED. I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY, YOU ABSOLUTE MONSTER.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 11:34:43 AM
I've a mate who is an Oldham fan who is torn about Sheridan, classic club legend/shitty manager vibe. When he rocked up at Wigan early last season (after leaving Waterford and calling the League of Ireland a pub league) I was gutted and then happy beyond pills that he left for Swindon, citing our absolute lack of money. Anyway, he took Swindon down and griped about it, and we improved and survived.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on August 25, 2021, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 25, 2021, 11:13:35 AM
Far be it from me to defend a Stoke player, but a few years after that tweet, Walters tweeted about how he was helping out at a local food bank and had now changed his political allegiances.

🙏                                                                                                                           🙏

(https://i.imgur.com/eL1O4jO.png)

Cameron also votes Green for a laugh.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 25, 2021, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 25, 2021, 10:38:35 AM
Brian McClair is a big socialist

Around thetime of the 1987 General Election one of the Scottish newspapers asked several celebrities how they were planning to vote and why. McClair gave a very eloquent description of the society he wanted to see. On the opposing side (in every way) was Terry Butcher whose reply was along the lines of: "I'm voting Conservative because my dad does."

On another subject, a cousin of mine swears blind he (literally) bumped into McClair up the front at a Pogues concert in Glasgow. Having been up the front at a Pogues concert - at a much more restrained venue than Barrowlands Ballroom - and actually losing my shirt, I wonder if his manager at the time was aware of his attendance.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:38:15 AM
Just catching up with the football and HOLY SHIT WEST HAM. What was Antonio doing with the cardboard cutout? And Moise Kean getting sent off after getting a bit fighty is peak Everton.

ETA: McClair likes the Pogues?! He's gone right up in my estimation.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on August 25, 2021, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 10:41:55 AMEmlyn Hughes and Graeme Souness were Tories, but tbf they aren't Scousers.

I had it in my head that Ian St John was a 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps'-type Tory, despite growing up with a single mother in pretty poor conditions in Motherwell after his steelworker father died very young, and then spending a decade on Merseyside. However, the first few pages of his autobiography are on Google books and he ponders whether his father saw the irony of being a Tory voter, given his fate, so I assume not.

Lou Macari set up a homeless shelter and charity in Stoke, so I'm assuming not a Tory.

Below-average journeyman keeper Derek Stillie actually stood as a Westminster candidate for the Tories in Ayr in 2019, coming second to the SNP.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 25, 2021, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:10:10 AMHomophobes are fucking weird. It does hurt a bit that Brian Clough, despite being a socialist, treated Justin Fashanu like dirt for being gay.
I'm not that sure politics came into it much when it came to attitudes towards sexuality, at least not for those of Clough's generation: growing up, I knew plenty of Labour-voting working class sorts who would have considered being gay to be the worst thing possible for a man to be. It's not an excuse, but it was the culture of the time - even when I was at school, there were teachers who would throw around "poof" to any boy who didn't seem tough enough to play rugby.

Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on August 25, 2021, 11:44:34 AMLou Macari set up a homeless shelter and charity in Stoke, so I'm assuming not a Tory
He tragically lost a son to suicide, an experience that I think has shaped his own life since in terms of trying to help others. 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on August 25, 2021, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 25, 2021, 10:47:04 AM
Graeme Le Saux and Pat Nevin were famously sneered at in the dressing room for reading the Guardian instead of the Sun, so while they might not be hardline Maoists, they probably aren't Tories. Le Saux is probably Blairite as fuck, I never liked him.

Are Graeme got a bit ambitiously greedy at the BBC, didn't he? Chucked his toys out of the gravy train.
Maybe he was giving 10% to charity, I dunno.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
Stillie was our back-up for a few seasons. Alright keeper I thought. I expect most players to be Tories now anyway, or apathetic.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on August 25, 2021, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 25, 2021, 11:45:42 AMeven when I was at school, there were teachers who would throw around "poof" to any boy who didn't seem tough enough to play rugby.

I used to say I was gay to get out of playing rugby. (Backfired on me when the PE teacher gave me The Slipper. Horrible nickname for a dildo!!!!!!!)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 25, 2021, 11:45:42 AM
I'm not that sure politics came into it much when it came to attitudes towards sexuality, at least not for those of Clough's generation: growing up, I knew plenty of Labour-voting working class sorts who would have considered being gay to be the worst thing possible for a man to be. It's not an excuse, but it was the culture of the time - even when I was at school, there were teachers who would throw around "poof" to any boy who didn't seem tough enough to play rugby.
Hasn't changed much, sadly. There's some Old Labour types who won't vote Labour because they're too invested in LGBT stuff nowadays.

Did not know that about Macari either, poor thing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on August 25, 2021, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
Stillie was our back-up for a few seasons. Alright keeper I thought. I expect most players to be Tories now anyway, or apathetic.

I suspect most footballers are pretty apolitical really, but Scottish football culture still seems pretty anti-Tory generally, so it sticks out a bit when someone is openly Tory, other than the obvious gits like Souness.

Was quite pleased to see current Motherwell player Tony Watt quoted in that 2019 Mirror piece:

"I don't know [the] first thing about politics but I don't mind paying tax at all...If the government wanted to tax me an extra 5 per cent on everything and it would save a lot of lives and help a lot of families I'm all for it".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 25, 2021, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:38:15 AM


ETA: McClair likes the Pogues?! He's gone right up in my estimation.

Whereas Butcher apparently threw all his Simple Minds records out after discovering they were Celtic fans.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 25, 2021, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:10:10 AM
Andy Townsend and Robbie Fowler both made fun of him for being gay because reading a broadsheet apparently makes you a flaming gayer or something. Homophobes are fucking weird. It does hurt a bit that Brian Clough, despite being a socialist, treated Justin Fashanu like dirt for being gay.

On a lighter note, the Upshot printed this interview with Gareth Bale and speculated that he is actually an algorithm in human shape. It's inane even by footballer standards.

There is no way Bale said I find relaxation in simplicity.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
Michael Owen has serious Lib Dem vibes.

Surely massive Tory cunt
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 12:33:14 PM
QuoteHow would you like to be remembered?

I only really care about my own opinion of myself, and my family and friends' opinion of me. The rest is just noise.

I love that Bale's response is an unwarrentedly shirty defensive remark which isn't even what was being asked, which itself was a kind of obsequious arse kissing question.

'Noise' can be annoying, I've found.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 25, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 12:33:14 PM
I love that Bale's response is an unwarrentedly shirty defensive remark which isn't even what was being asked, which itself was a kind of obsequious arse kissing question.

He was probably trying to weigh up between the answer he gave, and something which mentioned his golf handicap.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 25, 2021, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 25, 2021, 11:34:43 AM
I've a mate who is an Oldham fan who is torn about Sheridan, classic club legend/shitty manager vibe. When he rocked up at Wigan early last season (after leaving Waterford and calling the League of Ireland a pub league) I was gutted and then happy beyond pills that he left for Swindon, citing our absolute lack of money. Anyway, he took Swindon down and griped about it, and we improved and survived.

He was a club legend as player and manager: in his first spell he had a good team that played good football and had a couple of promotion tilts, then years later he twice came back and saved us from relegation. The problem was that it always ended acrimoniously: the story about his first sacking is that a team bonding night at the greyhounds ended with Sheridan and top scorer/convicted killer Lee Hughes beating the shit out of one another (after veteran defender Sean Gregan and young winger Chris Taylor had had a set-to earlier in the evening). Hughes got shipped out on loan, the team's form disintegrated, Sheridan got the boot.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 25, 2021, 01:58:23 PM
Didn't Chris Hughton write for Socialist Worker or some such magazine in the late 1970s?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 02:55:57 PM
Red Pepper?
Quote from: Jockice on August 25, 2021, 12:16:42 PM
Whereas Butcher apparently threw all his Simple Minds records out after discovering they were Celtic fans.
FFS. I'm not going to burn all my Space albums just cos they're kopites.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on August 25, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
Dirty Paul Jewell is a left winger. He had a tortoise called Trotsky.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on August 25, 2021, 04:25:14 PM
Michael Stewart, mostly a BBC Scotland pundit these days, is pro Scottish indy and pretty leftist.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on August 25, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Robbie Maxwell, shown here beating the offside trap for Oxford Utd, was a Labour MP for 6 years. Beat that!

(https://i.imgur.com/KlDOqRW.png)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 25, 2021, 06:02:45 PM
Levy defeated Kane. So excited to see Kane joylessly score 40 goals this season, moaning in anguish after every single one and then signing a three-year extension to his current deal.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: petercussing on August 25, 2021, 07:00:55 PM
A 90 year old Kane wakes up in terror as he realises he's got another 4 years left on his contract extension after promises from Levy that he'd finally unplug his patented lazarus machine and let him die last summer.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 25, 2021, 07:36:36 PM
That Gareth Bale interview is incredible, thanks


Yep Kane's shat himself then. Bottled it. Waster.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 07:52:53 PM
This is the way the Kane saga ends
This is the way the Kane saga ends
This is the way the Kane saga ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 25, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
6 pointer for Arsenal here lol.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 25, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
Kolasinac starting and a Xhaka-Elneny midfield
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on August 25, 2021, 08:09:17 PM
Kane is a fanny. As if he was ever going to leave if Spurs didn't want to sell.

If I were him, I wouldn't have signed a six year contract without escape clauses if I thought I'd want to leave one day. If his motivation genuinely is winning trophies, he should've left Spurs ages ago.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 25, 2021, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on August 25, 2021, 08:09:17 PM
If I were him, I wouldn't have signed a six year contract without escape clauses if I thought I'd want to leave one day. If his motivation genuinely is winning trophies, he should've left Spurs ages ago.

are those clauses even legal in England?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 25, 2021, 08:18:28 PM
Goal of the month contender from Arsenal there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 25, 2021, 08:45:23 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 25, 2021, 08:18:28 PM
Goal of the month contender from Arsenal there.

And another!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 25, 2021, 08:46:58 PM
Fucking get in
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 25, 2021, 09:12:05 PM
K that's actually a decent goal fair play
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Beagle 2 on August 25, 2021, 09:35:06 PM
The magic of the cup
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Norton Canes on August 25, 2021, 09:39:21 PM
Southampton making a late play for Bayern's top score of the night
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 10:40:22 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58335764

Check these pathetic dismal cunts

Well done Michael he's 13
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 25, 2021, 10:47:41 PM
Keith 2 Wick Academy 0

Labour's Coming Home
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on August 25, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
What possessed Kane to sign a six year contract in 2018, did Levy just catch him at the absolute peak of optimism around the team?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 26, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
Weird to see Levy getting stick for this.

He set a price and would have sold if his valuation was met.
But it wasn't, so Kane stays.

It's the same as what happened with Modric a few years ago, when Chelsea(?) didn't offer enough.
Bale and Berbatov (and others) were sold as soon they received an offer that met their valuation.
Levy's approach to selling his star players hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 26, 2021, 07:53:43 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 25, 2021, 09:54:13 AM
Tbh I think it boils down to Le Tissier being butthurt that he can't see his grandkids.

Family fallout or has he gone blind? I've always had a distant support for Southampton because I actually have more family there than anywhere else on earth. My mum had two sisters and a brother who all ended up moving there for some reason. Probably to get away from my mum.

One of my cousins is apparently well in with the Saints board but since I've spoken to him about three times this century I think he'd probably be a bit surprised if I rang him to enquire about Matt's domestic situation. He was also best mates at school with Graham Roberts. Yes that Graham Roberts. Who I booed vociferously when he played for Rangers.

Incidentally, my sister's first wedding was on the same day as the 1976 FA Cup final. Southampton 1 Man United 0. She knows nowt about football. Probably still wondering why the entire male contingent vanished from the reception room for a large chunk of the afternoon.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 26, 2021, 08:55:16 AM
Maybe she thought they were all going off for a mass wank. Might be wrong about Le Tissier but he did complain about not seeing his grandkids a few times.
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 10:40:22 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58335764

Check these pathetic dismal cunts

Well done Michael he's 13
Did they flush the team's heads down a toilet and steal their dinner money?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 26, 2021, 10:10:42 AM
The celebrations and leering as they consign some provincial nobodies to the earth's mantle are a joke, it's as though they were thrashing Borussia Dortmund. Idiots.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on August 26, 2021, 10:55:55 AM
Not even the competition record - they beat some carbon blobs called DJK Walberg 16-1 in the cup in 1997. Try harder next time, lads.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 26, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 26, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
Weird to see Levy getting stick for this.

He set a price and would have sold if his valuation was met.
But it wasn't, so Kane stays.

My favourite moment of the whole saga was a couple of days ago when David Ornstein was told that City were getting frustrated that Spurs weren't doing anything to break the impasse.

Quote from: peanutbutter on August 25, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
What possessed Kane to sign a six year contract in 2018, did Levy just catch him at the absolute peak of optimism around the team?

It was a combination of things, I think. Spurs were still looking decent at the time, Kane was having problems with his ankle and the money on offer wasn't far off what City would have been giving him. Since then we've gone backwards, he's improved his game (and isn't having as many ankle problems, although that could just be luck) and City are able to double his wages, probably more than that even.

Basically what it comes down to is that Kane was given a very good deal based on the circumstances when he signed it - it was a huge amount of money and gave him security in case the injuries got really bad. We could just as easily now be looking at Spurs paying him £200k a week when he's injured half the time and not the player he once was.

Spurs wouldn't be entitled to say "well this deal no longer represents value and we think we could get better elsewhere, so can you just fuck off please", and by the same token Kane isn't entitled to try to force his way out because the contract he signed no longer suits him. He wants it to be one way...but it's that other way.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 26, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
I definitely think he'll be a Bale. He is currently in his peak but he will plummet once the injuries catch up with him and I think they will do at an earlier age than your standard striker.

Still seems a risk worth taking for Spurs to keep him. He likely has a good three years at his current level. Commercially and footballing wise it'll be worth more than £150m.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 26, 2021, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 26, 2021, 08:55:16 AM
Maybe she thought they were all going off for a mass wank.

I was ten at the time and went with them!

My sister phoned my dad's 'for a chat' with ten minutes to go in the 1990 World Cup Scotland v Brazil game and the score still at 0-0.  I picked up the phone. The chat didn't last long.

Absolutely clueless.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on August 26, 2021, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 26, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
I definitely think he'll be a Bale. He is currently in his peak but he will plummet once the injuries catch up with him and I think they will do at an earlier age than your standard striker.

Not sure I agree with a single part of this haha! Barring injuries that prevent him from getting on the pitch at all, I don't see that they will detract from his game. He's not got much pace to lose, and he's consistently developed his all-round game to the point that I  don't see any reason why he can't be an elite-level striker for a long time to come, certainly longer than most top players.

I honestly think he's still underrated by a lot of people, for me there's a definite argument for him being the best striker in the world or even the best player in the world based on the past year or so. He was the top scorer AND the top assist-maker last season in the Premier League. That would be an incredible achievement for a player at a top team, let alone for a Spurs team that finished mid-table.

It can't be emphasised enough just how good he was for us last season. He was our best striker, our best creator and often our best midfielder as well. He has so much to his game that it's very difficult to imagine anything other than serious injury preventing him from being an elite player until his mid-30s at least.

And on top of that, I don't think Bale is a good example of a player who has plummeted at all. He didn't play badly in the last couple of years at Madrid, he just didn't really play at all, seemingly entirely for political reasons. He took a while to get going last season (understandably given he barely played for two years before that), but ended up with the best goals to minutes ratio in the league. He was never going to be the monster that he was five years ago, but he was still a very, very good player and was just starting to show it consistently when the season ended. Now that Zidane is gone he's back playing at Madrid under Ancelotti and doing well, I think he started and scored on the weekend.[/quote]

QuoteStill seems a risk worth taking for Spurs to keep him. He likely has a good three years at his current level. Commercially and footballing wise it'll be worth more than £150m.

Yeah I think on balance he is worth more to us than the money. At least partly because the past ten years or so give no reason to think the money would be spent well.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 26, 2021, 11:59:59 AM
I didn't see any of Bale at Real but their fans seemed pretty happy with him leaving. They certainly seem to think his performances dipped in his last season whenever he was given a chance. Bale is a shadow of the player he once was even if he is still a very good player.

When I say plummet, I mean he will go from a £150m player to a £50m player. Still contributes and you'd still have him in your starting line-up but he isn't a game changer the way he once was.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 26, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Quote from: Jockice on August 26, 2021, 07:53:43 AM
Incidentally, my sister's first wedding was on the same day as the 1976 FA Cup final. Southampton 1 Man United 0. She knows nowt about football.

Sure she was the bride, and not the linesman?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on August 26, 2021, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 26, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Sure she was the bride, and not the linesman?

Never offside!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Oft-heard comment in Manchester when Bobby Stokes died: "and he's still offside".

That cup final was before my time, but I have watched it and the lack of a lino's flag does hide Alex Stepney's piss poor attempts to save a tame shot and a subdued showing from United in general. That particular team had finished third after bouncing back from relegation in '74, playing exciting football. Gordon Hill got hooked at one point in the final (as he did the following year, creating something of an unwanted record) and when he saw the '11' board go up, he said "what, me?" to which Tommy Docherty shouted "no, the whole fucking lot of you".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: gilbertharding on August 26, 2021, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: jobotic on August 25, 2021, 10:47:41 PM
Keith 2 Wick Academy 0


"I've just heard Keith's won! Keith's won!!" /partridge
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 26, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
City might have to put that Ronaldo deal on hold now they need a new left-back
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 26, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 26, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
City might have to put that Ronaldo deal on hold now they need a new left-back

Shite as a player and as a person.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 26, 2021, 05:20:30 PM
christ
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 26, 2021, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Oft-heard comment in Manchester when Bobby Stokes died: "and he's still offside".

That cup final was before my time, but I have watched it and the lack of a lino's flag does hide Alex Stepney's piss poor attempts to save a tame shot and a subdued showing from United in general.

Martin Buchan played him well onside. 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 26, 2021, 07:34:25 PM
Mendy (the City one) accused of rape.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 26, 2021, 07:36:20 PM
QuoteThe charges relate to three complainants over the age of 16 and are alleged to have taken place between October 2020 and August this year.

Jesus.

This will probably set him back about half a week's wages in fines.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 26, 2021, 07:54:09 PM
ugh what a creep cunt

Ronaldo is also a rapist, he wouldn't be out of place there
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on August 26, 2021, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 26, 2021, 07:36:20 PM
Jesus.

You probably shouldn't name any of the victims.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on August 26, 2021, 08:02:41 PM
Well done to Lincoln Red Imps for smashing their way into the group stages of the Conference... although the highlight for the neutral was the jumbo jet landing behind their goal during extra time.

Watching Hammarby v Basel in extra time now.... is it Inspector Norse who either supports Hammarby or hates them? Gonna tentatively support them until i hear otherwise...

Not sure if it's just my imagination but there seems to be more ties going to extra time after the removal of Away Goals. It just means i can skip watching most of a match if the teams are drawing and tune in for the business end.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 26, 2021, 08:11:59 PM
Ha, they're my local team so I follow them a bit but never quite become a supporter. Was planning, pre-covid, on trying to get season tickets for me and my son, though, as I'm fine with him supporting them instead of Oldham and there's always a mad atmosphere at the games.
Just been looking at the score: for some reason the game isn't on TV here but is instead only available through a tabloid paper's streaming service. Hope they can hold on for the win, will definitely try and get to a group stage game.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on August 26, 2021, 08:16:02 PM
Well it's looking good with 15 mins to go. Yes, the stream i had earlier had good audio and you could hear the crowd going mental, but it died so now im watching whilst some random russian bloke commentates over silence.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ignatius_S on August 26, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: peanutbutter on August 25, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
What possessed Kane to sign a six year contract in 2018, did Levy just catch him at the absolute peak of optimism around the team?

A fair bit is to do with the culture of the industry - by signing a new contract, footballers get more money but have an expectation that they'll be able to sod off when they want to.

Two Spurs examples to consider are Modric and Carrick. The former signed a new six-year deal and a year later wanted to leave, but had to wait. Carrick was offered another deal with a fair amount of time remaining on the existing one (think it was two years) but was upfront that he wanted to leave.

Like Kane, Modric said him and Levy had a 'gentleman's agreement' about them able to leave and Kane should have remembered this. Another cautionary tale is the financing of the greatest film of all time, The Third Man. Alexander Korda did a deal with Selznick - the latter would stump up money for production and then be able to distribute it in the States. However, when it opened in England and Korda realised just how big a hit it was going to be, he refused to hand over any prints to Selznick. One of Korda's staff was appalled and said, 'But you can't do that, Alex. You had a gentleman's aggreemnt.' Korda smiled and replied, 'Ah, but for one of those, you need two gentlemen.' Selznick had to renegotiate new terms, which were greatly in Korda's favour.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ignatius_S on August 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 26, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
Weird to see Levy getting stick for this.

He set a price and would have sold if his valuation was met.
But it wasn't, so Kane stays.

It's the same as what happened with Modric a few years ago, when Chelsea(?) didn't offer enough.
Bale and Berbatov (and others) were sold as soon they received an offer that met their valuation.
Levy's approach to selling his star players hasn't changed.

Pretty much - although Modric was sold to Real for less than Chelsea offered; IIRC, for £30 million, which was £10 million less. However, Chelsea's only made the offer on the last day of the transfer window, so I suspect Levy didn't want to sell such an important to a London rival with no time to get a replacement; the deal with Real obviously didn't have that kind of downside and it was meant to be some kind of strategic relationship, which didn't really work out. I think Berbatov was sold on the final day, but think that was very different - when he was unsettled, his form became shocking compared to past performances (whereas Keane was performing brilliantly). Although it's been said that Berbatov being unsettled was due to him being linked to other clubs, his drop also coincided with there being problems behind the scenes and know quite a few people, who had him down as a player that's brilliant when things are going well, but not when they aren't. With hindsight, I reckon it was a good decision to sell.

re: Levy - The Times had a very interesting article about Levy and his negotiation tactics; the latter being a known quantity and a fair amount of respect given for that headline approach. If what's been reported about City's approaches (if they can be described as such), then it's not surprising what's happened.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on August 26, 2021, 09:10:21 PM
Aberdeen continue their great tradition of shitting it whenever they face a team east of the Adriatic.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 09:14:27 PM
Berbatov, from my experience of him at United, was one of those you knew was never going to dig you out of a hole when everything was going to shit, but could also produce moments so sublime that you remembered why you bother with football. It's telling how divisive he is amongst our support that someone who banging a hat-trick past Liverpool isn't more loved - Forlan gets more respect for scoring two goals at Anfield that were both due to Dudek arsing up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 26, 2021, 09:19:54 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 09:14:27 PM
Berbatov, from my experience of him at United, was one of those you knew was never going to dig you out of a hole when everything was going to shit, but could also produce moments so sublime that you remembered why you bother with football. It's telling how divisive he is amongst our support that someone who banging a hat-trick past Liverpool isn't more loved - Forlan gets more respect for scoring two goals at Anfield that were both due to Dudek arsing up.

casting pearls before swine
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 26, 2021, 10:22:46 PM
I once went to United v Wigan at OT, snagged a home end ticket in the top of the North Stand. Anyway, Rooney scores in the first minute and hobbles off after 10. Berbatov comes on and has a touch like a mini-trampoline. Every bit of clever interplay skews into touch. Keeps hold of it too long. Overhits passes, is too far in front of the run, or 5 yards behind it, or refusing to make it, or track back. Obviously wonderful on his day but those kind of players have taken a hit in the maximum efficiency era of football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 10:42:26 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 26, 2021, 10:22:46 PM
I once went to United v Wigan at OT, snagged a home end ticket in the top of the North Stand. Anyway, Rooney scores in the first minute and hobbles off after 10. Berbatov comes on and has a touch like a mini-trampoline. Every bit of clever interplay skews into touch. Keeps hold of it too long. Overhits passes, is too far in front of the run, or 5 yards behind it, or refusing to make it, or track back. Obviously wonderful on his day but those kind of players have taken a hit in the maximum efficiency era of football.
I was at that game too - my main memory is that Antonio Valencia battered our left back all game (might have been John O'Shea), which I'm sure it what convinced Ferguson that he'd make a decent replacement for Ronaldo a few months later.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 26, 2021, 11:16:04 PM
Berbatov is one of the most skilful footballers I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 26, 2021, 11:28:12 PM
this transfer window has been ridiculous for the top tier

latest credible rumours this evening:

- PSG are actually entertaining Madrid's latest bid (170m), a player they can sign for free in 4 months
- City to sign 36 year old Ronaldo and let Sterling leave (!)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 26, 2021, 11:30:07 PM
Who tf is going to shit the money for Sterling with 5 days left in the window? Can only be PSG if they do let Mbappe leave.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 26, 2021, 11:32:10 PM
yeah, PSG surely, as they'd be in the market for a left-sided attacker.

or back to Liverpool. All is forgiven Razza
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 26, 2021, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 26, 2021, 11:30:07 PM
Who tf is going to shit the money for Sterling with 5 days left in the window? Can only be PSG if they do let Mbappe leave.

they're in the same CL group and i can't see them dealing with each other.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 27, 2021, 12:16:17 PM
RONALADO to mang city and pep GUARDIOLA? is posible
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 27, 2021, 02:06:35 PM
Hi Raheem you've been one of the league's best players over the last five years and were one of the players of the tournament at Euro 2020, and at 26 you are still a year or two off your peak, so we've decided to fuck you off out of the club and sign a bloke who turns 37 this season yeah
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 27, 2021, 02:17:28 PM
Actually wanking at the Conference League draw.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 27, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
All things considered, it is actually not the easiest of draws for Spurs. They should top the group comfortably but it won't be the complete walk in the park they'd have hoped for.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 27, 2021, 02:21:36 PM
Having watched Tottenham's performances in the Europa League I think playing decent teams means we're far less likely to put in a totally dogshit performance and fuck it up than if all of the draw had been in the furthest parts of eastern europe against apparent minnows.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 27, 2021, 03:09:03 PM
Solskjær confirmed United in for Ronaldo now too. Spicy

thoughts from our resident United fans?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 27, 2021, 03:16:39 PM
I'd be very surprised if it's City now, as they already have one rapist.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 27, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: Chollis on August 27, 2021, 03:09:03 PM
Solskjær confirmed United in for Ronaldo now too. Spicy

thoughts from our resident United fans?

Rather have a central midfielder than a rapist tbh.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 27, 2021, 03:42:25 PM
Penandes out. Penaldo in.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 27, 2021, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 27, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
Rather have a central midfielder than a rapist tbh.

If I could, I surely would



P. Simon
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 27, 2021, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: jobotic on August 27, 2021, 03:46:14 PM


If I could, I surely would



P. Simon

I don't see what quoting Double Dare's Peter Simon means in this context.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on August 27, 2021, 04:02:20 PM
Just like Bale to Spurs, I can't see Ronanlado being anything other than a completely predictable anticlimax. A handful of goals and MAN UTD ARE BACK performances at the expense of unsettling Penandes as their #1 poster-boy, and an equal number of frustrated grimaces as they continue to scrape draws at home to Watford.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 27, 2021, 04:16:08 PM
ronaldo is not finished but he's clearly past his peak. Sancho-Rashford-Cavani-Greenwood-Fernandes-Pogba should be enough to score goals
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: rjd2 on August 27, 2021, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: chveik on August 27, 2021, 04:16:08 PM
ronaldo is not finished but he's clearly past his peak. Sancho-Rashford-Cavani-Greenwood-Fernandes-Pogba should be enough to score goals


Central midfield is an abomination though, not one proper holding midfielder.

I think they would have been better off trying to address that rather than Ronaldo .
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on August 27, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
Events on the pitch are irrelevant to all this bollocks. The whole pathetic merry go round is pure politics and power play, it's completely alienating looking in from the outside. Mbappe to Madrid so Perez can make a point. PSG signing Messi for the same reason. Will Juve sign Lewandowski? What about Sterling? So what? What material difference do any of these signings make to these clubs? It's just shit, even in the Conference. Wrexham, Chesterfield and Stockport taking turns to see who can splash the most cash? Oh Wrexham think they're the Billy big bollocks by spending 200k on the captain of a club 2 tiers above? Well how about Chesterfield hoarding six quality strikers, just because they can? Tragic how the signing of players, the spunking of cash and the pretence of being the bigger club are the be all and end all. Who goes a shit about the sport itself.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on August 27, 2021, 05:08:48 PM
From Streathem Rovers Twitter. You're a mixture of shits Terry.

https://mobile.twitter.com/StreathamRovers/status/1431225988076249100/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/StreathamRovers/status/1431225988076249100/photo/1)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 27, 2021, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: Chollis on August 27, 2021, 03:09:03 PM
Solskjær confirmed United in for Ronaldo now too. Spicy

thoughts from our resident United fans?
Bit non-plussed here. As others have said, we've got options up front as it is, and McTominay out for a while, I'd much rather we'd nailed down a defensive midfielder: Matic and Fred as a pairing isn't going to end well.

Ronaldo is the best I've seen play in person, but that was 12 years ago and I worry this isn't a United team designed to do the donkey work for him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 27, 2021, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: chveik on August 27, 2021, 04:16:08 PM
ronaldo is not finished but he's clearly past his peak. Sancho-Rashford-Cavani-Greenwood-Fernandes-Pogba should be enough to score goals

If you've got one classy forward in his mid 30s to help relieve the pressure on the younger players like Sancho and Greenwood from time to time, I certainly don't see the wisdom investing between £480k and £675k per week (depending on which estimate you believe) on another one, even if it is Cristiano Ronaldo. He'll stick any chances he gets away, which is not to be scoffed at, but he's not going to dominate games in the Premier League.

He'll either completely sideline Cavani, probably not a big loss in competitive terms since he's better than Cavani, but now they don't need Cavani so what the fuck are they paying him to be there for, or just block the progress of Sancho and Greenwood for a couple of years.

It's not where Man U should be spending £50+million over the next 2 years, imo. Not with de Gea still first choice between the sticks and McTominay, Matic and Fred to choose from as defensive midfielders.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 27, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
I can easily believe the signing has been powered more by off-the-pitch advantages than whether the player does much in games.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 27, 2021, 05:30:58 PM
Quote from: rjd2 on August 27, 2021, 04:49:11 PM

Central midfield is an abomination though, not one proper holding midfielder.

I think they would have been better off trying to address that rather than Ronaldo .

well we're not talking about logical decisions here, they bought van de Beek to put him on the bench, they want to sell shirts and get some buzz going, personally i want all the superleague clubs to crash and burn so they should deffo do it

Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 27, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
I can easily believe the signing has been powered more by off-the-pitch advantages than whether the player does much in games.

it hasn't helped much juve and portugal at the euro
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on August 27, 2021, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: finnquark on August 27, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
Events on the pitch are irrelevant to all this bollocks. The whole pathetic merry go round is pure politics and power play, it's completely alienating looking in from the outside. Mbappe to Madrid so Perez can make a point. PSG signing Messi for the same reason. Will Juve sign Lewandowski? What about Sterling? So what? What material difference do any of these signings make to these clubs? It's just shit, even in the Conference. Wrexham, Chesterfield and Stockport taking turns to see who can splash the most cash? Oh Wrexham think they're the Billy big bollocks by spending 200k on the captain of a club 2 tiers above? Well how about Chesterfield hoarding six quality strikers, just because they can? Tragic how the signing of players, the spunking of cash and the pretence of being the bigger club are the be all and end all. Who goes a shit about the sport itself.

Yeah at the very top end transfers are not about actual football anymore. It's about prestige, social media, the brand, eyeballs watching...trophies and coherent teams very much secondary.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 27, 2021, 05:37:57 PM
Ronaldo is essentially just a goalscorer these days, but still one of the best finishers around.
Yes, he's 36, but he's in good shape. The guy's hardly let himself go all 'Alan Brazil' anyway.

Stupid wages though, and you'd argue that none of the 3 PL teams who can afford him actually need him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 27, 2021, 05:39:31 PM
it's official
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 27, 2021, 05:41:26 PM
They'll probably sell enough replica kits with his name on to his fans (whether they support Man U or not, although they are a massive worldwide brand anyway) to pay for a good chunk of his fee.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 27, 2021, 05:44:20 PM
I think for United, it's less about shirt sales, more that it generates interest that is appealing to potential sponsors. Headlines and clicks all keep the cash rolling into Glazer pockets.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 27, 2021, 05:49:29 PM
Cavani off tomorrow?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 27, 2021, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 27, 2021, 05:44:20 PM
I think for United, it's less about shirt sales, more that it generates interest that is appealing to potential sponsors. Headlines and clicks all keep the cash rolling into Glazer pockets.

yeah, it's great for the brand
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 27, 2021, 05:52:33 PM
Got to love football when a rapist is good for a brand.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 27, 2021, 06:13:24 PM
One of the alleged rapes happened this week, when he'd been on bail, originally arrested in November? Christ.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 27, 2021, 06:22:11 PM
£20m fee. Apparently on £25m after tax per year. That means he must be earning twice what their previous highest paid player was (De Gea). Even taking into account the commercial benefit of them signing him, it seems a silly amount.

Quote from: Uncle TechTip on August 27, 2021, 06:13:24 PM
One of the alleged rapes happened this week, when he'd been on bail, originally arrested in November? Christ.

I think people are getting rapists mixed up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 27, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: finnquark on August 27, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
Events on the pitch are irrelevant to all this bollocks. The whole pathetic merry go round is pure politics and power play, it's completely alienating looking in from the outside. Mbappe to Madrid so Perez can make a point. PSG signing Messi for the same reason. Will Juve sign Lewandowski? What about Sterling? So what? What material difference do any of these signings make to these clubs? It's just shit, even in the Conference. Wrexham, Chesterfield and Stockport taking turns to see who can splash the most cash? Oh Wrexham think they're the Billy big bollocks by spending 200k on the captain of a club 2 tiers above? Well how about Chesterfield hoarding six quality strikers, just because they can? Tragic how the signing of players, the spunking of cash and the pretence of being the bigger club are the be all and end all. Who goes a shit about the sport itself.
Exactly. It just feels like dick-waving. PSG signing everyone and their mum even though they don't need to. Why do United need Ronaldo when they've already got Varane, Cavani, Fernandes? It's not like they're weak in attack.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: peanutbutter on August 27, 2021, 06:37:37 PM
A signing like this that late in the summer doesn't seem super pragmatic? Surely quite a lot of the marketing and efforts to expand the strength of a brand for a season is pretty much done by now and if he has an underwhelming season he wont be worth anywhere near as much next summer in that regard.


Good move for Ronaldo himself though, chance to bolster his rep as a legend at two clubs a bit more if he does well (he's far more associated with Madrid than Utd at this stage) and can presumably follow it up with a season or two with Sporting purely to push some goal scoring records out of reach before some massive money in whatever state is paying the most.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 27, 2021, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Oft-heard comment in Manchester when Bobby Stokes died: "and he's still offside".

All that success and still bitching 19 years later. Let it go, lads.

Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 26, 2021, 01:10:34 PMThat cup final was before my time, but I have watched it and the lack of a lino's flag does hide Alex Stepney's piss poor attempts to save a tame shot and a subdued showing from United in general. That particular team had finished third after bouncing back from relegation in '74, playing exciting football. Gordon Hill got hooked at one point in the final (as he did the following year, creating something of an unwanted record) and when he saw the '11' board go up, he said "what, me?" to which Tommy Docherty shouted "no, the whole fucking lot of you".

Not a great match, really. Apart from the result, obviously.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 27, 2021, 06:39:08 PM
Everton selling Richarlison would be immensely fucking stupid. Which means it will happen.

PSG don't need him. We do.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on August 27, 2021, 06:42:01 PM
Enjoy your first game kids?

Yes dad, we really expanded the strength of the brand. Thanks for taking us.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 27, 2021, 08:50:13 PM
My local non-league team's brand, according to some away fans in the cue for the food kiosk were that we were the only team in the league to do faggot and pea batches. 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 27, 2021, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: peanutbutter on August 27, 2021, 06:37:37 PM
A signing like this that late in the summer doesn't seem super pragmatic? Surely quite a lot of the marketing and efforts to expand the strength of a brand for a season is pretty much done by now and if he has an underwhelming season he wont be worth anywhere near as much next summer in that regard.


Good move for Ronaldo himself though, chance to bolster his rep as a legend at two clubs a bit more if he does well (he's far more associated with Madrid than Utd at this stage) and can presumably follow it up with a season or two with Sporting purely to push some goal scoring records out of reach before some massive money in whatever state is paying the most.

Man U had him pre and post peak. The guy was unbelievable at Madrid.
He'll still score goals, but those goal-a-game+ days are gone.

It's a commercial signing, but I suspect he'll expect to play, which is a bit of a shitter for Greenwood/Rashford/Martial*/Cavani.

*still there?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on August 28, 2021, 12:16:34 AM
Cavani will be missing for most of the first few months, and even though for some unbeknownst reason Ole really seems to like Martial, he favours him up front. Greenwood will still get plenty of minutes despite Ronaldo and Sancho, and if Cavani sticks around for the season Greenwood could do much worse than to get to train alongside him.  I can't imagine Ronaldo would have moved without an agreement to play the majority of games

They do look to have maybe one player too many. Dan James is obviously not going to to get a look in so presumably he's gone
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 28, 2021, 02:14:40 AM
City have had more good attacking players than can play all at once over the last few years, and it hasn't done them any harm has it? United are going to have a bench with plenty of potential game changers which is always a good thing. And no, Ronaldo isn't the player he was at Madrid, but he's still scored 73 goals over the last two seasons which is pretty good, and 10 or so goals a season more than any United player has. Whatever commercial incentives there are for the deal, to pretend that it's not an obvious benefit to the football team is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
It's a great signing but, if you were told a couple of days ago that Man U were going to make a big signing, you wouldn't have thought it would be another attacker.
They've got him because of who he is, rather than because he's the player they need.

He'll still get a goal every other game minimum.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 28, 2021, 10:43:55 AM
Oh Ronaldo has 20 goals in him easy if Ole actually goes at opposition sides regularly.

The question is, is it 20 goals that Sancho, Cavani, Greenwood, Penandes, Rashford etc. wouldn't score with the extra games and minutes they'd have between them with no Ronnie. It'll be some more, but not 20. For a start, he might end up taking all of Penandes' penalties.

It's money that could be better spent elsewhere in that squad.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 12:48:43 PM
Arsenal eh
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mr Eggs on August 28, 2021, 01:09:42 PM
And Xhaka sent off. Full clown shitshow.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 28, 2021, 01:24:48 PM
Man U could put their surplus strikers out on loan for a couple of seasons rather than actually trying to sell them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
AFTV asking for Big Sam to be brought in. I am not joking.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 28, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
AFTV asking for Big Sam to be brought in. I am not joking.

Haha fuck off?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 28, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
Haha fuck off?

"Sam Allardyce is the guy" is a genuine quote from the last two minutes.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
How long you reckon Arteta's got?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
Remember all those Arsenal fans who used to moan about Wenger only finishing in the top 4 and regularly reaching cup finals?
Wonder how they're doing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 28, 2021, 01:50:23 PM
If ever I get down thinking of the state of Everton, I just think of Arsenal and it cheers me up no end. We were pretty close to getting Arteta and in spite of the basket case 2 years we've had, I dread to think what would have happened with Lego head in charge. He must be a dead man walking now - but who can they replace him with if not Fat Sam?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: C_Larence on August 28, 2021, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
How long you reckon Arteta's got?

15 minutes
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 28, 2021, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
How long you reckon Arteta's got?

About 26 minutes plus any time added on for stoppages.

I always find it a bit weird when managers get sacked after the game that they were obviously going to get shellacked in. Bad opening day defeat against Brentford? Fine, carry on. Heavy defeat by Manchester City? This is totally unacceptable, you're fired!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 01:56:14 PM
Remember when they wanted to be a part of a European Super League?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 28, 2021, 01:55:04 PM
About 26 minutes plus any time added on for stoppages.

I always find it a bit weird when managers get sacked after the game that they were obviously going to get shellacked in. Bad opening day defeat against Brentford? Fine, carry on. Heavy defeat by Manchester City? This is totally unacceptable, you're fired!

Well yeah this is the thing, defeats against Chelsea and City were always pretty likely, although the manner of them has been pretty alarming. Also I guess it's because they want to sack them before they get a chance to redeem themselves against weak opposition.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 02:01:25 PM
This reminds me of Rodgers last season at Liverpool. Board backed the manager with spending but it was clear that it just wasn't working out.

The only problem for Arsenal is that there isn't a Klopp out there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
Conte already trending on Twitter... Seems like extremely wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 28, 2021, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 01:56:14 PM
Remember when they wanted to be a part of a European Super League?

And at the time all their fans were unironically taking the piss out of Spurs being part of it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 02:13:50 PM
My Arsenal-supporting mate thinks they should "go and get Brendan Rogers".
He seemed somewhat offended when I said that Leicester to Arsenal would be a step down, and genuinely said "Leicester aren't exactly going to win anything".
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on August 28, 2021, 02:11:27 PM
And at the time all their fans were unironically taking the piss out of Spurs being part of it.

I think all other fans were unironically taking the piss out of Spurs and Arsenal being part of it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 02:19:49 PM
They must have kicked off during that...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E94VOljXIAs0L8C?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on August 28, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
5 minutes is 300 seconds, therefore 3% is 9 seconds of possession. I normally scoff at the "last 5 minutes" stat as the difference is essentially meaningless but this...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 02:15:16 PM
I think all other fans were unironically taking the piss out of Spurs and Arsenal being part of it.

(https://i.imgur.com/rb7u4e3.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on August 28, 2021, 02:43:20 PM
He's got to go surely. That was a humiliation
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on August 28, 2021, 02:59:24 PM

Give Arteta a baggy cap, a collarless shirt + waistcoat and a hunting rifle and he would be ideal suited to act as Michael Corleone's sidekick during his banishment on Sicily.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 28, 2021, 03:10:40 PM
Arteta has been thoroughly pantsed by Man City.

What the hell do PSG want Richarlison for? One, they don't need him and two, I thought he was shite?
Quote from: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
AFTV asking for Big Sam to be brought in. I am not joking.
Who said that, a Spurs fan?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 04:47:19 PM
Harvey Elliot starting in midfield against Chelsea. Did not expect that.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 28, 2021, 06:20:08 PM
Dis gun be good.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 28, 2021, 06:20:55 PM
The Beautiful Game.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 06:21:11 PM
Box office
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 06:22:32 PM
Anthony Taylor, ladies and gents
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 06:23:29 PM
Jesus christ that's an insane red card. I mean okay, handball on the line, but come on.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 28, 2021, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 06:23:29 PM
Jesus christ that's an insane red card. I mean okay, handball on the line, but come on.

In what circumstances does a hand ball on the line not warrant a red?

Genuine question, I don't have a FIFA rulebook handy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 28, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 06:23:29 PM
Jesus christ that's an insane red card. I mean okay, handball on the line, but come on.

Is a red card on the line not a handball?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 28, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
Is a red card on the line not a handball?

Not if you are the keeper.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on August 28, 2021, 06:30:57 PM
There was discussion a while ago about adjusting the punishment in this situation to a yellow if a penalty is given, as it just seems overly harsh. Double punishment almost. Seems like that didn't get anywhere though if the ref here has applied the rules to the letter.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 06:31:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 28, 2021, 06:25:55 PM
In what circumstances does a hand ball on the line not warrant a red?

Same circumstances where halting a counter attack by fouling a player like Fabinho did, or petulantly booting the ball into the crowd after being penalised like Salah did doesn't warrant a yellow.

The ball was going in so award a penalty, but James had no chance to move his arm out of the way after the ball bounced up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on August 28, 2021, 06:32:29 PM
Does look harsh on the surface of it but it IS THE LAW:
Quote
Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offense, the player is sent off [red card] wherever the offense occurs.'"

So whether it's deliberate or intentional doesn't come into it
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 28, 2021, 06:34:52 PM
Seen it again. Definite red. It's not the bouncing up off his knee onto his arm, it's the fact that he uses his arm to shovel it away from the goal afterwards.

Cannot be anything but deliberate.

Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 06:31:33 PM
Same circumstances where halting a counter attack by fouling a player like Fabinho did, or petulantly booting the ball into the crowd after being penalised like Salah did doesn't warrant a yellow.

So because the ref presumably failed to implement the rules of the game correctly by not booking Fabinho and Salah in your view, he should do the same again with Reece James?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on August 28, 2021, 06:34:52 PM
Seen it again. Definite red. It's not the bouncing up off his knee onto his arm, it's the fact that he uses his arm to shovel it away from the goal afterwards.

Cannot be anything but deliberate.

So because the ref presumably failed to implement the rules of the game correctly by not booking Fabinho and Salah in your view, he should do the same again with Reece James?

In my view he should have booked them in the first place; having failed to do so, he is compounding his error and incompetence by his inconsistency in applying the law stringently against James, when there was in fact enough doubt there[nb]despite the expert, impartial views of the Liverpool fans on here[/nb] about whether the handball was deliberate: James certainly moves his arm, but there was no way the ball was not going to strike his arm after bouncing up off his knee.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 28, 2021, 07:01:10 PM
Wigan fans gave a minute of applause to a fan known as Keith who died this week. It wasn't until after the game that it became known that Keith was somebody's pet duck.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 28, 2021, 07:05:15 PM
it's a bit of a grey area since the ball touches his leg first but that's the rules

its all void since the head gone lads are dogshit

feel bad for Lukaku surrounded by headless chickens
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 28, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 06:31:33 PM
The ball was going in so award a penalty, but James had no chance to move his arm out of the way after the ball bounced up.

He moved his arm into the way after the ball bounced up. I've no love for Liverpool but that was a definite penalty and red card.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 28, 2021, 07:17:55 PM
Looked more to me like he moved his leg to the ball and it bounced up into his arm. He then pushed his arm outwards after the ball hit it. Taylor is therefore making the call that James deliberately blocked it with his arm despite it looking more like a reflex action to move the arm after the ball has already struck it. The question is whether James' arm movement actively pushed the ball out or whether it was already bouncing out: can Anthony Taylor really make that call definitively enough from the VAR video, in order to overturn the original decision and award both penalty and red card?

This will doubtless be taken down soon but someone's uploaded it in real time with a slomo replay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMePcezQYM&ab_channel=InfiniteMessi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMePcezQYM&ab_channel=InfiniteMessi)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 28, 2021, 07:31:02 PM
Pretty clear pen and red card. Worrying that the ref didn't see it despite looking straight at it from a few yards away.
Chelsea defended well 2nd half.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: lankyguy95 on August 28, 2021, 07:44:05 PM
Obviously a red card. The problem is the referee fluked the correct decision because he only looked at the screen for two seconds. He made a decision based on a freeze frame. All the stuff about referees viewing VAR referrals at normal speed has been shown to be bollocks time and time again.

Frustrating we didn't win from there. Didn't manage it well in the last half an hour.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 28, 2021, 09:00:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/6NcpnS0/Screenshot-2021-08-28-at-19-47-03.png) (https://ibb.co/9Gmf80H)

They get paid for this.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 28, 2021, 09:02:14 PM
wtf
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 28, 2021, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: chveik on August 28, 2021, 09:02:14 PM
wtf

basically my reaction when I first saw it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 28, 2021, 09:16:51 PM
If you think that's bad, some Clive posted some drivel about how Chelsea had played half the second half and they still had half to go. OMG GUYS, REALLY? Next you'll be saying that Liverpool wear a red kit.
Quote from: chveik on August 28, 2021, 07:05:15 PM
it's a bit of a grey area since the ball touches his leg first but that's the rules

its all void since the head gone lads are dogshit

feel bad for Lukaku surrounded by headless chickens
He's used to it. He played for Everton in the Martinez years after all.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 28, 2021, 09:21:06 PM
Personally, I thought Lukaku was strolling around with barely a care in the world after the red card, like he knew it was a back-to-the-walls job for the team, so he didn't need to bother much. He's got loads of talent, but when he can't be arsed, you might as well have Bob Rosario up front.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 28, 2021, 09:22:07 PM
You've described him to a T in the Mourinho years. I saw a couple of matches where he was just bumbling around like a very stupid giant.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 28, 2021, 09:26:55 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on August 28, 2021, 09:21:06 PM
Personally, I thought Lukaku was strolling around with barely a care in the world after the red card, like he knew it was a back-to-the-walls job for the team, so he didn't need to bother much. He's got loads of talent, but when he can't be arsed, you might as well have Bob Rosario up front.

well we clearly haven't watched the same game
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 10:12:00 PM
Lukaku looks so pissed off every time he doesn't he get the incredibly precise, perfectly weighted and timed pass he was looking for.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 28, 2021, 10:14:29 PM
I thought he held the ball up really well at times but surprisingly got bullied by giraffe Matip a bit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 28, 2021, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: Thursday on August 28, 2021, 10:12:00 PM
Lukaku looks so pissed off every time he doesn't he get the incredibly precise, perfectly weighted and timed pass he was looking for.

i love kanté but he wastes some many counter-attacks with his poor passing. i don't really care though since that's not what's asked of him when he plays with france. hope he's not too badly injured
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 28, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
Jesus Christ, Arsenal's defence are shit.

ETA: and Liverpool and Chelsea all need a time out. So does Richarlison, fucking hell. Spitting his dummy out because Calvert-Lewin was taking the penalty again. And yet PSG really want him?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 29, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
Go to make a cuppa and see Ashley Barnes pretty much crane kick Stuart Dallas and somehow get away with a booking.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 29, 2021, 02:57:43 PM
Are Burnley the dirtiest team in the league? They're surely up there. I guess having a Millwall player for a manager will do that to you.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 29, 2021, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on August 29, 2021, 02:57:43 PM
Are Burnley the dirtiest team in the league? They're surely up there.

Only three teams committed fewer fouls than Burnley last season, and only five clubs received fewer yellows. They were one of only three clubs not to receive a single red card.

So no, I guess, though we should of course allow for the average "competence" of the modern Premier League referee.

In terms of fouls and yellow cards, then aside from the dear departed Sheff Utd and Fulham, the dirtiest team in the Premier League would appear to be... Man Utd. Most fouls and most yellows, yet just the one red, oddly enough.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on August 29, 2021, 03:58:13 PM
Talking about dirty. Seems that Rooney has been teaching his Derby County team on his 2006 World Cup speciality of stamping on the oppositions' testicles. Of course the reliable BBC assures me that winking to the bench is a far more egregious crime.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on August 29, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
Best news as a Spurs fan today is finding out that Sissoko is now a Watford player, that had completely passed me by.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 29, 2021, 04:45:49 PM
Right lads we've got Sancho, Rashford, Fernandes, Greenwood, James, Cavani, Martial, Diallo and Lingard as attacking options and we've got Fred in central midfield. Which area of the team do you reckon we still need to improve? Right you are, £500k a week on another forward it is
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 29, 2021, 05:15:10 PM
Man Utd have been atrocious here. Fernandes 83 (pen) winner coming up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on August 29, 2021, 05:44:49 PM
Spurs to win every game this season 1:0.

Didn't another team used to do stuff like that?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 30, 2021, 12:53:02 AM
Villarreal 2-1 up at Atletico with 20 seconds left.
NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG NOW! (https://twitter.com/OwnGoalZone/status/1432121637135175683)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 30, 2021, 08:34:47 AM
Bad communication there really, keeper should have been screaming for him to let the ball go out. Defender too busy watching the ball. Classic shit the bed moment.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 30, 2021, 10:50:28 AM
"That's a big mistake."

Thanks co-commentator, really earning your crust there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on August 30, 2021, 10:52:26 AM
Oh and that's a bad miss.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 30, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
Interested to know what we think about these

Red card http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2021/08/28/xhaka-tackle-on-joao-cancelo-2021-xhaka-red-card-v-man-city-sent-off-for-challenge/ (http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2021/08/28/xhaka-tackle-on-joao-cancelo-2021-xhaka-red-card-v-man-city-sent-off-for-challenge/)

Not a foul, nothing to see here, move along https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pdzee2/pogba_tackle_on_neves_leading_up_to_manchester/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pdzee2/pogba_tackle_on_neves_leading_up_to_manchester/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on August 30, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Not a conspiracy guy but the Pogba tackle going unpunished when it happened in front of the ref and with VAR...wow.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on August 30, 2021, 03:58:27 PM
No play acting on Neves' part, so it wasn't going to be punished I suppose.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 30, 2021, 05:01:28 PM
There was one last season when Fernandes did this.
(https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article18573313.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_GettyImages-1255260043.jpg)
And was given a penalty.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 30, 2021, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on August 30, 2021, 03:58:27 PM
No play acting on Neves' part

Apart from the bit where he walked five yards away from the challenge in perfect health then threw himself to the floori?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 31, 2021, 01:57:25 AM
It seems odd that, in the Euros, refs and/or VAR were generally getting those decisions correct but as soon as we're back to the domestic game they just can't risk upsetting the Superleague clubs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 31, 2021, 10:12:48 AM
Transfer deadline day!

(https://i.imgur.com/6eS9GPY.png)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 31, 2021, 11:05:14 AM
That's a good one.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on August 31, 2021, 12:02:01 PM
Our fans are so classy.

Vlasic has gone to West Ham and Kean has gone back to Juventus. And round and round we go.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 31, 2021, 02:09:48 PM
obviously arsenal have been sh*t this season but i think things will improve greatly when we get our two first choice centre backs and DM back in the team. Pretty sure cedric only played on saturday to force the owner's hand to buy a right back today. looks like its worked although i've never heard of him.
Irrelevent to the final outcome but i can't believe that second man city goal was allowed to stand. Chambers gets punched in the face. What was the var thinking when he saw that and did nothing? very strange.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on August 31, 2021, 02:30:14 PM
Chambers got socked and it should have been a foul, but he goes down like a sack of shit looking for a foul. It doesn't work like that when you're the defender, if it fucks up they gon' score on ya.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on August 31, 2021, 03:50:04 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 31, 2021, 02:30:14 PM
Chambers got socked and it should have been a foul, but he goes down like a sack of shit looking for a foul. It doesn't work like that when you're the defender, if it fucks up they gon' score on ya.

true. dont think holding is much cop but i think he would be more likely to stay up. just find it a bit mystifying that VAR decided it was fine. that absolute waste of space Xhaka got sent off for touching someone's face last season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ElTwopo on August 31, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
This happens most seasons though, doesn't it? Some rule is changed but it doesn't seem to be consistently applied until four or five weeks into the season. Then everyone kind of forgets about it or the new rule is 'clarified'.



Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on August 31, 2021, 09:35:36 PM
Imagine, five years ago they had Messi, Suarez and Neymar and were winning the Champions League.

QuoteBarça, meanwhile, are working to bring in Sevilla's Luuk de Jong to partner Martin Braithwaite up front.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on August 31, 2021, 11:17:02 PM
arsenal is the team that has spent the most during this transfer window apparently
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on August 31, 2021, 11:59:03 PM
Saul to Chelsea

Excellent signing
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 01, 2021, 12:26:56 AM
and barca embarrassing themselves again
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on September 01, 2021, 05:58:48 AM
Quote from: chveik on August 31, 2021, 11:17:02 PM
arsenal is the team that has spent the most during this transfer window apparently

Yeah biggest spend in the premier league, not the most exciting transfer window but lots of young players with potential, and filling a few gaps in the squad. Wish they'd gone big on a proper proven CM to replace Xhaka, but Lokonga looks alright we'll see how he goes with Partey now that Granit's gotten himself a 3 game ban.

Ramsdale (GK) - 24m
White (CB) - 50m
Tavares (LB) - 8m
Tomiyasu (RB/CB) - 16m
Lokonga (CM) - 15m
Odegaard (AM) - 30m

Not gonna pretend I know shit all about most of these players, but one hopes they've been scouted to fit into whatever Arteta is trying to do that isn't currently working, and surely they're an upgrade on the likes of Kolasinac, Chambers, Elneny....

They've released Luiz, Mustafi and Willian which is good. Elneny, Lacazette, Chambers, Kolasinac and Nketiah are in the last year of their contract. They only managed to get a fee for Willock though, because nobody wants to pay for our midtable shite.

Guess Arteta isn't going anywhere though, they've backed him big. Looks like a decent enough squad to avoid relegation this year
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 01, 2021, 07:58:30 AM
Heh, just looking at Everton's signings, looking well set to win the Championship this season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 01, 2021, 10:03:35 AM
went to a Welsh Premier League (sorry, Cymru Premier) game last night. Connahs Quay v Caenarfon Town. pretty bloodless stuff. expected the defending champs to blow away the Canaries but couldn't break down their flat back 5. 1-1. you want to like these leagues for the health of the game but it was a bit dull.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 01, 2021, 10:24:44 AM
Felt a bit sad to see Dan James leave United - OK, he may not have been the level of player that drives you to trophies, but he tried hard and on occasions where things clicked for him, he gave opposition teams trouble. Perhaps playing for us - against teams who often sit deep - didn't suit his style of play (he works best when he has space to run into) but there's a lot of others I'd have liked to have seen through the exit door before him: Lingard, Matic, Pereira, Jones, Martial and Bailly for starters. Presumably with Ronaldo arriving, he was told he'd barely feature and the offer from Leeds was a good one for the club.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 01, 2021, 10:25:24 AM
where do Arsenal keep getting this money from
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 01, 2021, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Chollis on September 01, 2021, 10:25:24 AM
where do Arsenal keep getting this money from

Rwanda.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 01, 2021, 10:43:38 AM
I'm surprised United didn't sell J-Lingz to West Ham tbh.
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 01, 2021, 07:58:30 AM
Heh, just looking at Everton's signings, looking well set to win the Championship this season.
What, Gray and Townsend? They've been surprisingly not shit for us this season. Touch wood. After the amount of money we've spunked on expensive flops, I can live with it.

Unless you mean Begovic.
Quote from: Chollis on September 01, 2021, 10:25:24 AM
where do Arsenal keep getting this money from
It's Kenwright's Arteta money.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 01, 2021, 11:03:47 AM
West Ham brought in a couple of players, so it may well be they thought paying out on Lingard (who will be 29 at Christmas) wasn't a decent investment.

Funny one, really, as he's a player who scored the winner in a FA Cup final (and scored in the following year's League Cup final) but isn't well regarded at all by most United fans I know. My own theory was that he went to the 2018 World Cup, had a decent tournament and slacked off on the hard work that had got him that far. He looked the part for West Ham, but I can't see him getting much time on the pitch for us, injury crisis aside.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 01, 2021, 12:26:06 PM
Lingard was doing a fine job at West Ham and should have stayed there, but it looks like Man United wanted too much for him and that put them off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 01, 2021, 12:57:40 PM
Is Lingard a brand of deodorant that smells like linseed? If not, it should be.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 01, 2021, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 01, 2021, 12:26:06 PM
Lingard was doing a fine job at West Ham and should have stayed there, but it looks like Man United wanted too much for him and that put them off.
They had a chance of top four at one point, but then their form went off a cliff - as did Lingard's, which made me wonder if Moyes decided to look elsewhere. The player is probably on pretty huge wages too, knowing the insanity of how Man United are run.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Vitamin C on September 01, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
Presumably Lingard will now run down the last year of his contract by barely playing at all and will then leave on a free. Hard to see how the situation is good for him or Man Utd.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 01, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 01, 2021, 12:57:40 PM
Is Lingard a brand of deodorant that smells like linseed? If not, it should be.
I'm surprised he doesn't market his own deodorant. He already has a clothing label.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 01, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
Quote from: Vitamin C on September 01, 2021, 06:10:29 PMHard to see how the situation is good for him

(https://c.tenor.com/puvU5YS9r4cAAAAC/uncle-scrooge-mcduck-money.gif)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 01, 2021, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Vitamin C on September 01, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
Presumably Lingard will now run down the last year of his contract by barely playing at all and will then leave on a free. Hard to see how the situation is good for him or Man Utd.
We're talking about a club that rewards people like Phil Jones, Andreas Pereira and Eric Bailly with generous contracts despite barely playing, so all bets are off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 01, 2021, 09:46:52 PM
I hope Ronaldo dies.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 01, 2021, 09:53:52 PM
i think the prospect of a career-ending injury worries him more. hope phil jones will do the job in training
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on September 01, 2021, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on September 01, 2021, 10:03:35 AM
went to a Welsh Premier League (sorry, Cymru Premier) game last night... it was a bit dull.

The owner (or whatever) of 'FC United of Wrexham' was on the non-league podcast the other day saying how it's their 20 year plan to get into the 2nd tier of the Welsh system and I did kind of think 'why bother?'

I went to see Connah's Quay play Partizan Belgrade in Rhyl a couple of years ago and it was great! Not been to a Welsh league game yet though but I think I might try and get to Cefn Druids or Airbus one day.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on September 01, 2021, 10:24:28 PM
This is embarrassing for a Welsh person, but I've never actually been to a Welsh Premier League match, as my local club growing up was Wrexham, so I never got into the Welsh pyramid somehow. I've also never been to a League of Ireland game, even though Shamrock Rovers are literally my neighbours.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 02, 2021, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 01, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
I'm surprised he doesn't market his own deodorant. He already has a clothing label.

He now owns an esports team as well. It's called JLingz or some embarrassing shit.

And yeah there's not much opportunity down here to watch Cymru Premier or whatever. I don't think there is a team down south is there? Maybe Cardiff University has a team.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 02, 2021, 09:23:47 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 02, 2021, 09:11:11 AM
He now owns an esports team as well. It's called JLingz or some embarrassing shit.

And yeah there's not much opportunity down here to watch Cymru Premier or whatever. I don't think there is a team down south is there? Maybe Cardiff University has a team.

Cardiff Met, formerly Inter Cardiff and Inter Cable-Tel, are in the top flight.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 02, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
You stopped CR7 from playing
Phil Jones, Phil Jones
We'll never know how you snapped his legs
Phil Jones, Phil Jones
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 02, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
Was it Lingard who posed for those horrible photos for the turkey (meat not country) marketing board?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 02, 2021, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 02, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
Was it Lingard who posed for those horrible photos for the turkey (meat not country) marketing board?

did a quick google because the very idea made me laugh and it did not disappoint

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/26/19/36150334-8991117-image-a-15_1606418291786.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 02, 2021, 01:23:50 PM
it's actually for the pistachio marketing board which is even funnier
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 02, 2021, 01:44:47 PM
His 16 year old first attempt at a moustache is amazing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 02, 2021, 06:15:29 PM
So Granit Xhaka is a total melt, who'd have thought it
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 02, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
Some people should just not attempt facial hair.

Also, Xhaka is a fucking tool. Serve him right.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 02, 2021, 07:46:50 PM

No coincidence that Pickford's great form for club and country has coincided with his Happy Monday's look.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 02, 2021, 07:54:33 PM
Luke Shaw has become even more chunks since the Euros.  He looks like he's wearing a fat suit.

The crowd sounds are weirdly unreal in Hungary they sound like they are drugged with someone pumping in the ambient sound from the Nostromo on top.

And it sounds like there is some guy with a microphone wanking and groaning .
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on September 02, 2021, 08:05:30 PM
Lee Dixon?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on September 02, 2021, 08:17:58 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aoQdqny0iPY/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 02, 2021, 08:27:42 PM
Tory MPs cheering on Hungary tonight then
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 08:30:42 PM
No doubt if Grealish does nothing that's Southgate's fault.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 02, 2021, 08:33:11 PM

Actually I can't tell if it's a wanking groaning man, or if they're shooting my Stay Puft with the proton packs.

Either way it's the most interesting about this terrible dog shit game of football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on September 02, 2021, 09:00:05 PM
Nice Hungary crowd trying to help Raheem quench his thirst there
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:03:04 PM
Oh we have done a goal and leading in the football, excellent

Soutgghate for PM - BEST LEADER
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:05:51 PM
Haha, Dixon saying that England have made the Hungary crowd go quiet while what seems to be the entire stadium sing at the top of the voice.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:07:22 PM
Quality goal. That ball couldn't have suited Sterling (or by extension onto Kane) any better.

The total lack of marking on Kane there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on September 02, 2021, 09:13:27 PM
Lovely stuff. Did Grealish pretend to drink out of one of the cups there?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:15:41 PM
3-0

We know how bad the FREE LIEUNS fans are, Millwall, Chelsea, assorted scum of the earth.

Imagine how awful Hungary's is, with Orban lighting the fuse underneath their absurd heightened nationalism, which due to geographical happenstance happens to be dominated by pro-Christian anti-Islamic racism and xenophobia (also despite the Magyars being originally a roaming group).

Neither are truly representative of the population at large, but Hungary's is, much more.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 02, 2021, 09:34:52 PM
Weirdest thing is that I read earlier that Hungary have been ordered to play three games behind closed doors because their fans acted the goat at the Euros. Yet here they are letting 60,000 in to embarrass their country again. So which three games has UEFA made them play with no crowd? Did they hastily arrange three August friendlies against Honved U-17s Reserves?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on September 02, 2021, 09:36:34 PM
Should stick another game onto that ban for crimes against goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 02, 2021, 09:37:29 PM
Performance from the Hungarian keeper that would have had Jimmy Greaves making quips about whether he has Scottish ancestors.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on September 02, 2021, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on September 02, 2021, 09:34:52 PM
Weirdest thing is that I read earlier that Hungary have been ordered to play three games behind closed doors because their fans acted the goat at the Euros. Yet here they are letting 60,000 in to embarrass their country again. So which three games has UEFA made them play with no crowd? Did they hastily arrange three August friendlies against Honved U-17s Reserves?

Edit: imitationleather got there first
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 02, 2021, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on September 02, 2021, 09:34:52 PM
Weirdest thing is that I read earlier that Hungary have been ordered to play three games behind closed doors because their fans acted the goat at the Euros. Yet here they are letting 60,000 in to embarrass their country again. So which three games has UEFA made them play with no crowd? Did they hastily arrange three August friendlies against Honved U-17s Reserves?

This is a FIFA game, I guess the behind closed door ones will either be qualifiers for Euro 2024, Nations League (heh, remember that?) games or friendlies.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 02, 2021, 09:40:16 PM
Oh right, these qualifiers fall under the FIFA umbrella, and they are presumably not speaking to UEFA or something. So Hungary's ban is suspended for two more years by which time everyone will have forgotten about it. Fucking clowns the lot of them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 02, 2021, 09:41:05 PM
And yes that's three of us saying the same thing but it emphasises the point I guess
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:41:17 PM
"It didn't even go through a crowd of legs"

Slow motion replay showing that's exactly what happened (including slight deflection that shortened the distance between the ball and the goalie and exacerbated the goalie's initial misjudgement).

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on September 02, 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:41:17 PM
"It didn't even go through a crowd of legs"

Slow motion replay showing that's exactly what happened (including slight deflection that shortened the distance between the ball and the goalie and exacerbated the goalie's initial misjudgement).

To be fair he prevented it being 6 or 7-0, but I'm not willing to be charitable to this lot.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 02, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
Say what you like about the huns, at least they're not woke amirite?!

Pickford is not the most embarrassing goalie on the pitch for once. Actually, I'm being unfair to Pickfordsaurus, he changes into a different person when he plays for England.
Quote from: badaids on September 02, 2021, 07:46:50 PM
No coincidence that Pickford's great form for club and country has coincided with his Happy Monday's look.
Yippee yippee yai yai yay, I had to crucify some Magyars today...

ETA: I am still fascinated by Luke Shaw's breasts.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 03, 2021, 07:37:31 AM
Good win for England last night but the real test is on Sunday when in-form Andorra come to Wembley, on a high after a convincing 2-0 victory over San Marino last night.

Still baffled by how those two wound up in the same group.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 03, 2021, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 09:41:17 PM
"It didn't even go through a crowd of legs"

Slow motion replay showing that's exactly what happened (including slight deflection that shortened the distance between the ball and the goalie and exacerbated the goalie's initial misjudgement).



He said it didn't go between anyone's legs, which it didn't. I am normally not one to criticise goalies as their job is harder than people seem to think but in this case he probably should have done better. The only caveat is that it bounced right in front of him but he still should have been able to stop it going under him
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 03, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
I didn't hear that, but either way, if you look at the overhead shot and the behind the goal angle it shows 5 or 6 Hungary players between Rice and the goal obscuring the goalkeepers view when the shot comes in. Seems the curl and dip on the shot weren't anticipated and it still goes down as an misjudgement but I thought reasonable partial mitigating factors as he would have been reacting to limited information from his point.

Anyway, not like it would have changed much so on we go.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 03, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
Soccer Aid soon.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpoF4YzIUAAUqVW?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 03, 2021, 06:58:53 PM
wenger should be in a care home, not making decisions about the future of football
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 03, 2021, 07:01:51 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 03, 2021, 06:58:53 PM
wenger should be in a care home, not making decisions about the future of football

No I think he should be installed in a palace and awarded conservatorship over you.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 03, 2021, 07:48:57 PM
he already is :(
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 03, 2021, 08:46:58 PM
So should Fergie. If only to keep him away from breathing down OGS' neck.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blue Jam on September 04, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
RONALADO is OFFICAILY AMAZING:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTWiaHngNEW/

(https://st1.latestly.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/resize-8-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 04, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 03, 2021, 08:46:58 PM
So should Fergie. If only to keep him away from breathing down OGS' neck.

Is that a verbal "up the arse" entry?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 04, 2021, 05:40:26 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on September 04, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
RONALADO is OFFICAILY AMAZING:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTWiaHngNEW/

(https://st1.latestly.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/resize-8-1.jpg)

Bet he sucked off a McWhirter for that...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 04, 2021, 11:18:39 PM
ROI just 5 points behind Luxembourg after 4 rounds. Lol
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 05, 2021, 12:43:36 AM
Everton unable to sit down for a week due to spanking administered by Man City's new signings. They have ultras and everything.

Was nice seeing little girls in pink kits though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 05, 2021, 02:32:15 PM
Wales losing 2-1 to Belarus. Good god.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: buttgammon on September 05, 2021, 03:32:35 PM
2-2; three penalties scored. This is a strange match, and exactly the sort of game we should be winning more easily.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 05, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
Bit gutted for poor Belarus there. Wales were utter dogshit.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 05, 2021, 03:53:32 PM
Oh FFS Wales. They would be buggered without Bale.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Glyn on September 05, 2021, 04:20:19 PM
Good of EUFA to make things up to Wales for being the designated 'away team' for the Euro's by finding us a free potato field to play on in a country where 3 players couldnt get visa clearances.

Awful game. Thankfully the 2 'never a penalty' decisions evened themselves out though. Harris should have scored twice before Bale but atleast a last minute hat trick makes a better headline.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 05, 2021, 04:33:05 PM
Southgate changes pretty much the whole England XI for the Andorra game so Patrick Bamford has an opportunity to join the likes of David Nugent and Francis Jeffers on the one-cap-one-goal list.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 05, 2021, 04:36:13 PM
still found a way to put three right backs in the starting line-up. it's andorra you weirdo
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 05, 2021, 04:45:50 PM
Yeah never understood why they don't just write these games off as training exercises and play a 2-2-6. It's not like we're Ireland and there's an actual risk of not winning.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 05, 2021, 05:01:46 PM
The cognitive dissonance in seeing a flag supporting the black players who were victims of racial abuse amidst a sea of England flags is just jarring.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 05, 2021, 07:28:34 PM
JLingz h8trz get rekd
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 05, 2021, 08:17:27 PM
Brazil and Argentina... something... bit unclear...
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 05, 2021, 08:25:21 PM
Brazilian health officials are apparently trying to deport the Argentinian players five minutes into the match.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: C_Larence on September 05, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
I knew I shouldn't have put a bet on "no players being deported within the first ten minutes"
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 05, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
lol looks like a real shitshow
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 05, 2021, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 05, 2021, 08:25:21 PM
Brazilian health officials are apparently trying to deport the Argentinian players five minutes into the match.

I thought you were taking the piss!  It's like a Day Today headline for real.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 05, 2021, 08:52:03 PM
They were probably jealous that English teams wouldn't allow their Brazilian players to travel, but Argentine players did travel.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on September 05, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
Not as high profile. Morocco football team attempting to be evacuated from Guinea amidst the ongoing coup there. World Cup qualifier being postponed.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 05, 2021, 09:16:25 PM
Now obviously if there are rules stating that players have to quarantine then those rules should have been followed, but why the fuck not deal with it earlier instead of waiting for the game to actually start before trying to arrest the players in question? Smacks of the Brazilian authorities wanting to wave their collective willy in front of the cameras.

Argentina seem to be claiming that they thought Conmebol tournament rules meant they were exempt from all of this.

Doesn't really do much to dispel the stereotype of South American football being absolute anarchic batshit bonkers.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 05, 2021, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on September 05, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
Not as high profile. Morocco football team attempting to be evacuated from Guinea amidst the ongoing coup there. World Cup qualifier being postponed.

Keita was having a good run of form without injury so he had to get trapped in his country due to a coup. Matip is defo getting knocked out having a bar-room argument about 18th century PMs, Gomez is falling down an interdimensional portal, Alisson will need to shave those damn sideburns, Henderson will be hypnotised to think he is a chicken, Milner is busy rescuing somebodies worldly goods from a house fire and VVD is drinking a tonic which gives him gigantism.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mjwilson on September 05, 2021, 10:20:35 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on September 05, 2021, 09:16:25 PM
Now obviously if there are rules stating that players have to quarantine then those rules should have been followed, but why the fuck not deal with it earlier instead of waiting for the game to actually start before trying to arrest the players in question?

"I couldn't do it at any time, only when it's funny"
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 05, 2021, 11:37:38 PM
i would love it if Lukaku beats ronaldo's record. only 112 goals to go
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 05, 2021, 11:47:40 PM
17% of rape boy's goals have been penalties. That seems a lot!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on September 06, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
Sounds pretty normal for a striker
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 06, 2021, 01:29:53 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 05, 2021, 09:31:37 PM
Keita was having a good run of form without injury so he had to get trapped in his country due to a coup. Matip is defo getting knocked out having a bar-room argument about 18th century PMs, Gomez is falling down an interdimensional portal, Alisson will need to shave those damn sideburns, Henderson will be hypnotised to think he is a chicken, Milner is busy rescuing somebodies worldly goods from a house fire and VVD is drinking a tonic which gives him gigantism.
Mo Salah has just entered Melwood with pizzas, only to discover that it is on fire.
Quote from: chveik on September 05, 2021, 11:37:38 PM
i would love it if Lukaku beats ronaldo's record. only 112 goals to go
Me too, and not just because I hate the Portuguese rapist.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 06, 2021, 03:37:01 AM
Quote from: chveik on September 05, 2021, 11:37:38 PM
i would love it if Lukaku beats ronaldo's record. only 112 goals to go

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IncompatibleFriendlyBonobo-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on September 06, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
the next arsenal game isnt even on tv. what kind of bullsh*t is this?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 06, 2021, 09:48:37 AM
Quote from: Hat FM on September 06, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
the next arsenal game isnt even on tv. what kind of bullsh*t is this?

Can't show that kind of thing before the watershed
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 06, 2021, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: Hat FM on September 06, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
the next arsenal game isnt even on tv. what kind of bullsh*t is this?

Nor either Manc club.
Very rare for half the 'Big 6' to not be shown live.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 06, 2021, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on September 06, 2021, 10:06:28 AM
Nor either Manc club.
Very rare for half the 'Big 6' to not be shown live.
You'd think this being the first round of games after the close of the transfer window, they might have anticipated some late transfer action and bet on City or United having some new players to show off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hat FM on September 06, 2021, 10:44:15 AM
i did really enjoy all of the games being shown on tv for the last 18 months or so though i spose if arsenal are on tv at 3pm there isn't much chance of me venturing out to see Bromley instead. thats the rationale right...?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 06, 2021, 11:41:52 AM
Ronald Koeman is having a normal one again, I see.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 06, 2021, 12:10:06 PM
For context, Koeman posted a video of Peppa Pig on Twitter to criticise club documents being leaked.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 06, 2021, 05:03:13 PM
More specifically, it had a picture of Peppa hanging out with a mole. Koeman is now blaming his grandkids.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 06, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
it was idiotic of him to leave the dutch selection for the barca clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 06, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
It was, but then he's been gunning for the Barcelona job for ages. When he was managing us he kept going on about Barcelona this and Barcelona that and made it clear he wanted the job, and that Everton were just a means to an end.

What makes it even funnier is that Louis van Gaal is managing the Netherlands now, and he and Koeman hate each other. To the point where van Gaal had a bigger villa built in the Algarve just to piss Koeman off.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on September 06, 2021, 09:32:33 PM
Koeman comes across as one of the biggest cunts in football, which is quite impressive considering all of football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 07, 2021, 01:28:57 AM
He makes Allardyce look like a decent human being.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 07, 2021, 08:37:38 PM
Big 45 minutes for Kenny. Facing Steve Staunton levels of ignominy if they lose this. They'd be joint bottom, 5 points behind Luxembourg who have a game in hand on them.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 07, 2021, 08:40:30 PM
Apparently Neil Lennon is being lined up to replace him? You've gotta laugh.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 07, 2021, 08:41:22 PM
Christ*, have you seen France's group? Ukraine 2nd with 5 draws in a row.

No team has scored more than 7 goals after 5 games, no team has conceded more than 6. Finland are the only team apart from France to win a game.


*Christ!!! I'm talking to you Christ!!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 07, 2021, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 07, 2021, 08:37:38 PM
Big 45 minutes for Kenny. Facing Steve Staunton levels of ignominy if they lose this. They'd be joint bottom, 5 points behind Luxembourg who have a game in hand on them.

Wouldn't mind, but if we'd played Azerbaijan and Luxembourg with the same application we went at Portugal with, we'd have beaten them.

Giving Serbia a run, but I don't see where the goal is coming from.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 07, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
Bloody hell the Scots beating Austria!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 07, 2021, 09:15:57 PM
Kenny is gone anyway, he nearly said as much in his last interview, I think after Azerbaijan. Sam Allardyce and/or Lee Carsley next up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 07, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
The FAI can't afford Allardyce and I don't imagine Carsley to be in a hurry to leave the England U21s to come here when FAI previously turned their noses up at him when he asked to be involved in the youth setup.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 07, 2021, 09:29:12 PM
Lol the Aviva Stadium announcer tried to credit a blatant Serbian OG to Shane Duffy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 07, 2021, 09:40:04 PM
Saw a few shouts for Jim McGuinness to get it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on September 07, 2021, 09:49:00 PM
Scotland are the new Ireland. How did that Austria ever take Italy to extra time?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on September 07, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Was a fun evening's entertainment, apart from the nerves as every chance to make it 2-0 went begging. Enjoyed the Austrian keeper booting the turf instead of the ball, and performing some sort of bizarre gymnastic manoeuvre to avoid falling flat on his face, and Arnautovic is quite the pantomime villain.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on September 07, 2021, 10:05:58 PM
And after finding myself wailing about our continued defensive frailties during the summer, great to see the back line putting in that shift.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: NattyDread 2 on September 07, 2021, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on September 07, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Was a fun evening's entertainment, apart from the nerves

Yep. It would be a weird important Scotland game without the butterflies and the squeaky arse for the last few minutes. Felt a bit sorry for the Austrian lads getting pelters from their fans. Superb result.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 07, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
Second place in our hands now, Israel and Faeros in October, win those and we're good. Denmark in the last game when they'll be qualified.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on September 07, 2021, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on September 07, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Was a fun evening's entertainment, apart from the nerves as every chance to make it 2-0 went begging.

Apparently Scotland and Austria are about the two most profligate teams amongst the European nations right now, so not a great surprise it came down to a penalty. Mind you we've been profligate ever since Dalglish retired.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Jockice on September 07, 2021, 10:59:30 PM
Phew! That's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 08, 2021, 07:51:08 PM

Love the Poles, wouldn't mind at all if they gave us a good thrashing to be honest.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 08, 2021, 07:59:48 PM
Quote from: badaids on September 08, 2021, 07:51:08 PM
Love the Poles, wouldn't mind at all if they gave us a good thrashing to be honest.

Happy memories and one of my first football related ones. My dad was Polish so we had double joy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TO2jd3VO8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TO2jd3VO8w)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 08, 2021, 08:07:15 PM

Quote from: jamiefairlie on September 08, 2021, 07:59:48 PM
Happy memories and one of my first football related ones. My dad was Polish so we had double joy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TO2jd3VO8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TO2jd3VO8w)

I've been lucky enough to count a faire few Poles as friends, hard to find a more decent and generous people, but fierce (in a good way) too.  Also known many Polish war veterans who are always totally humble and pragmatic in spite of the terrible treatment and sadness suffered at the hands of the Germans, Russians, and the Allies.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2021, 08:29:20 PM
Extraordinary really that Kyle Walker has won several Premier League titles and domestic cups, has reached the final of the Champions League and European Championship, and has won over 60 caps for England despite never having learned to pass a football
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 08, 2021, 08:38:08 PM
Apparently Glick told Harry Maguire to piss off back to Easter Island.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2021, 08:38:32 PM
Kamil Glik seems like the kind of guy who knocks your table in the pub as he walks past then starts shoving you and going "what you fuckin lookin at" if you glance at him
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 08, 2021, 09:19:16 PM
THRIKER
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 08, 2021, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2021, 08:29:20 PM
Extraordinary really that Kyle Walker has won several Premier League titles and domestic cups, has reached the final of the Champions League and European Championship, and has won over 60 caps for England despite never having learned to pass a football
Phil Jones also played for England. Just saying.

Lithuania getting walloped by Italy 5-0 and it's only half time.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
My internet decided to freeze up just as someone was passing to Kane outside the box. What happened next? Did Kalvin Phillips get the ball and pause for a minute before passing back to the defenders, as has happened for the other 74 minutes of the game?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2021, 09:27:42 PM
Poland's gameplan appears to have been "run around and throw yourself into tackles as much as you can for the first half and if it doesn't work and you're totally knackered for the second well at least you had a go of it eh"
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 08, 2021, 09:34:32 PM
So they're like Slav Burnley?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Harry Badger on September 08, 2021, 09:38:39 PM
Another great moment in Scottish footballing history.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2021, 09:41:40 PM
England now need to take 6 points off San Marino and Andorra if they want to qualify. It's going to be really tricky.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Cuellar on September 08, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
Wales done well then
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on September 09, 2021, 12:14:40 AM
A clean sheet against Estonia? I'll take that. People forget just how far ahead of us they are in the alphabet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 09, 2021, 07:57:47 AM
What has Southgate got against substitutions? It was obvious England were on the back foot for the last 10 minutes. At the very least it wastes some time and breaks up momentum but some fresh legs might have seen the game out a bit better. It is a mistake he seems to keep making
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on September 09, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
Probably should just let him do his no transfers thing given what happened in European Final
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 09, 2021, 02:10:18 PM
What, the final in which we didn't make substitutions quick enough and ended up paying for it? He should probably just get better at making substitutions
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 09, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on September 08, 2021, 08:38:08 PM
Apparently Glick told Harry Maguire to piss off back to Easter Island.

Nope, turns out he's just your common or garden massive racist (allegedly)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 09, 2021, 08:24:04 PM
in other news Boateng is a woman beater. cunt

thankfully this is the only thing he will be remembered for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PKXs8i_zSw&ab_channel=FootballHighlights
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on September 11, 2021, 01:17:24 PM
Had to Google Crystal Palace's not-at-all-sinister-sounding sleeve sponsor "Facebank". I'm sure it won't be as dystopian as the name suggests...

QuoteFacebank is a technology business in the field of 'digital likeness' –  augmenting and replicating the image of the human face for use in consumer apps, video games, social media and entertainment.

...

The technology will be used in marketing activations including fans being able to place Palace-themed digital face paint on themselves and their friends, using Facebank's soon to be released Fan of The Match app.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 11, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Fucking Spurs >:(
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 11, 2021, 02:26:22 PM
Some debut for Edouard
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 11, 2021, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: Chollis on September 11, 2021, 02:26:22 PM
Some debut for Edouard

Maybe now he's settled in London he'll finally pay the damages he owes to the bloke he maimed with an air rifle (https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2021/odsonne-edouard-not-responding-to-e24000-fine-for-airsoft-rifle-attack/)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
Ronaldo 45+2
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 11, 2021, 03:54:36 PM
that's yer lot now
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gulftastic on September 11, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Cue the sound of 50000 wanking Mancs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on September 11, 2021, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
Ronaldo 45+2+0:05
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on September 11, 2021, 04:06:39 PM
Match of the Day on track to be a cracker!
Arsenal 0-0 Norwich
Brentford 0-0 Brighton
Leicester 0-0 Manchester City
Manchester United 1-0 Newcastle
Southampton 0-0 West Ham
Watford 0-0 Wolves
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ignatius_S on September 11, 2021, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: kalowski on September 11, 2021, 04:06:39 PM
Match of the Day on track to be a cracker!
Arsenal 0-0 Norwich
Brentford 0-0 Brighton
Leicester 0-0 Manchester City
Manchester United 1-0 Newcastle
Southampton 0-0 West Ham
Watford 0-0 Wolves

If those are the only games they are showing, I'm a very happy man.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 11, 2021, 03:54:36 PM
that's yer lot now

Depends if Newcastle equalise:

Ronaldo 90+7
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 04:18:10 PM
Which they have.

BBC already have this report up

QuoteCristiano Ronaldo scored for Manchester United against Newcastle in his first appearance for the club in 12 years.

Ronaldo, who re-signed for the Red Devils last month from Juventus, tapped in from close range just before half-time to put the hosts 1-0 up.

He produced his trademark goal celebration at a jubilant Old Trafford.

Ronaldo was named in the starting XI and received a rapturous ovation in the warm-up and when he entered the pitch before kick-off.

The Portugal captain, 36, scored 118 goals in 292 appearances in his first spell for the club between 2003-09.

Five-time Ballon d'Or winner Ronaldo is wearing the number seven shirt.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 11, 2021, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on September 11, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Cue the sound of 50000 wanking Mancs.
There were already loads of them at Piccadilly singing 'viva Ronaldo'. Fuck you, Steve Bruce, you had one job.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 11, 2021, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 11, 2021, 04:57:27 PM
There were already loads of them at Piccadilly singing 'viva Ronaldo'. Fuck you, Steve Bruce, you had one job.
If you were banking on Steve Bruce getting a result at Old Trafford, then you needn't have bothered making the plan in the first place.

I still think United are still short of a decent midfielder to go alongside McTominay if they want to push for the title (Matic was awful, Pogba not much better) but with players like Ronaldo, Cavani and Fernandes, there's always a chance in the cups if you get the right luck. Sancho not really impressing so far, and indeed was overshadowed by Lingard.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on September 11, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
Oh Lord how have ITFC fans offended thee such to deserve this eternal smiting?

One season with some joy is all we wanted. Just one.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on September 11, 2021, 05:44:47 PM
Can't be doing with the gushing, fart sucking, cum stained match reports of Ronaldo Vs Newcastle. Would be sickening shite even if the cunt wasn't a rapist.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on September 11, 2021, 06:11:43 PM
Seriously, at one point today I thought Town were going for a 9-11 scoreline as some sort of misguided tribute. In the end we smashed 2 into Bolton and they responded by highjacking 5 goals and destroying us utterly.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 11, 2021, 11:07:57 PM
What an absolutely drab set of PL results. Joyless from beginning to end.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phes on September 11, 2021, 11:14:18 PM
Imagine having money on all nil nils at half time like quite a lot of people do every week, and then Ronalado etc deso
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Mobius on September 12, 2021, 01:52:49 AM
Arteta stay of execution thanks to a scrappy 1 nil against the shitest team in league COYG
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 12, 2021, 01:56:16 AM
if i was a betting man i'd put the house and kids on bayern beating barca 8-2 on tuesday
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on September 12, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
If I wasn't a betting man I'd have a house!!!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 12, 2021, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 11, 2021, 05:05:44 PM
If you were banking on Steve Bruce getting a result at Old Trafford, then you needn't have bothered making the plan in the first place.

I still think United are still short of a decent midfielder to go alongside McTominay if they want to push for the title (Matic was awful, Pogba not much better) but with players like Ronaldo, Cavani and Fernandes, there's always a chance in the cups if you get the right luck. Sancho not really impressing so far, and indeed was overshadowed by Lingard.

United won't win the title but will be entertaining to watch

There seems to be this idea that because Sancho is English he will drop straight into the Premiership without a fuss but really he is like any other import from another league and will take time to settle
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2021, 10:23:57 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on September 12, 2021, 09:18:37 AMThere seems to be this idea that because Sancho is English he will drop straight into the Premiership without a fuss but really he is like any other import from another league and will take time to settle
I guess because he grew up in English football, with Watford and City, there was a bit of expectation he'd find the going a lot easier than our two previous imports from Dortmund, both of who really struggled, though Mkhitaryan did well in the Europa run in 2017. Sancho at the moment seems a tad nervous - gets in some good positions but then over/under hits his subsequent pass. Once he gets a goal, he might well settle down - I can see him playing Tuesday in Bern with the hope of this.

Perhaps Fernandes arriving and almost instantly having a big impact has skewered expectations of new signings a tad.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on September 12, 2021, 11:31:40 AM
I haven't seen much footage of Sancho at Dortmund, but I have seen him be almost completely invisible for England so I suspect that's exactly what will happen at Man U.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 12, 2021, 12:55:07 PM
To be fair to Sancho he is a predominantly right-sided player who has so far mainly played on the left for United and England
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 12, 2021, 01:09:38 PM
they buy players because they can, not according to tactical coherence
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 12, 2021, 01:31:44 PM
Amidst the infamy of Alty's second consecutive relegation, during which the club went through multiple managers and used over 50 players (including a goalkeeper signed from professional wrestling), there was a player who garnered disproportionate praise. Laurence Taylor was a 19 year old midfielder, could pass the ball 6 yards and ran around a lot. Fans, especially younger ones, wanted him captain, leader and mainstay of the team. When we went down and our current manager came in, with a fresh pair of eyes and a sense of perspective, he quickly loaned Taylor to Trafford and he never played for us again. He wasn't good enough, he just appeared to be alongside the dross he was paired with (e.g. Fabio Bassangue, who played 17 minutes before being subbed and disappearing, Callum Preston who made one start in goal, let in 6 by the 47th minute, and retired from football afterwards, or various ex-cons who came and went that year).

My question to people who regularly watch United is: is McTominay not a higher quality Laurence Taylor? I occasionally go to the Spread Eagle to watch a United game with a few mates and every time I see McTominay he just seems fine, average, etc. But then people say that he actually is good and United need to partner someone quality with him - is this just a desperate yearning for another successful youngster to take hold of the midfield and drag the team to a title? Or is he actually any good?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2021, 01:52:00 PM
I think McTominay is a very good midfield player - he's not going to run a game the way Carrick could at his peak, but he's very mobile, strong and can score goals (he had a season playing up front for the U23s years ago). From the current squad, he'd be in my first XI every week and ideally, we'd have brought in someone to play the more defensive role in midfield to allow McTominay to get forward more.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 12, 2021, 02:01:20 PM
McTominay is pretty limited.
Does a job, but you're surprised that Man U don't have anyone better.

That said, they've had Butt/Djemba/Fletcher in that role over the last 25 years, so maybe it's a club work experience policy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2021, 02:21:35 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on September 12, 2021, 02:01:20 PM
McTominay is pretty limited.
Does a job, but you're surprised that Man U don't have anyone better.

That said, they've had Butt/Djemba/Fletcher in that role over the last 25 years, so maybe it's a club work experience policy.
From about 2009-11, when he got ill, Fletcher was regularly putting in outstanding performances. Djemba-Djemba played made 13 league starts, so not really an apt comparison.

McTominay might be limited - but he's a player I'd trust in a big match. If we'd manage to win the EL final last year, it would have been pretty much down to him, as everyone else (bar Cavani) came down with stage fright.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 04:16:49 PM
Did anyone watch Birmingham v Derby and if so, did it turn into a Troy Deeney wankfest?
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 11, 2021, 05:05:44 PM
If you were banking on Steve Bruce getting a result at Old Trafford, then you needn't have bothered making the plan in the first place.

I still think United are still short of a decent midfielder to go alongside McTominay if they want to push for the title (Matic was awful, Pogba not much better) but with players like Ronaldo, Cavani and Fernandes, there's always a chance in the cups if you get the right luck. Sancho not really impressing so far, and indeed was overshadowed by Lingard.
You can take the boy out of Manchester etc.

Was not expecting Lingard to score, but I guess West Ham did him good.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 12, 2021, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2021, 02:21:35 PM
From about 2009-11, when he got ill, Fletcher was regularly putting in outstanding performances. Djemba-Djemba played made 13 league starts, so not really an apt comparison.

McTominay might be limited - but he's a player I'd trust in a big match. If we'd manage to win the EL final last year, it would have been pretty much down to him, as everyone else (bar Cavani) came down with stage fright.

And Butt was massively underrated for Man Utd, really consistent and put in a load of amazing performances despite never seeming to be a regular season after season. There was a period when he shone for England. I don't know shit about McTominay though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 12, 2021, 04:42:55 PM
Lemar 90+9'. that's another title in the bag for atletico this year
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on September 12, 2021, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 04:16:49 PM
Did anyone watch Birmingham v Derby and if so, did it turn into a Troy Deeney wankfest?

Yes. We totally out played them for most of the match, did fuck all in front of goal and looked the other way for theirs.

A good mate of mine is a Watford fan and he really dislikes Deeney for being an incredibly disruptive influence there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
Elliot's career ruined at 16 lol
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 12, 2021, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
Elliot's career ruined at 16 lol

18.

Some material for Chedney's fap bank though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 05:54:35 PM
Women's football is so depressing. Sometimes I wonder why teams who aren't Arsenal, City or Chelsea even bother. First we get thrashed by City, now it's Chelsea's turn.
Quote from: king_tubby on September 12, 2021, 05:32:20 PM
Yes. We totally out played them for most of the match, did fuck all in front of goal and looked the other way for theirs.

A good mate of mine is a Watford fan and he really dislikes Deeney for being an incredibly disruptive influence there.
Deeney was disruptive? What he do? I know he hates Silva. Because it's not like Watford would have sacked him anyway even if Everton hadn't stolen him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Holmesy on September 12, 2021, 05:56:28 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
Elliot's career ruined at 16 lol

You really are a cunt's cunt.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 05:58:03 PM
What happened to Elliott? Apparently Mo Salah was really upset by it.

ETA: and no, singing 'always the victims' is not OK but neither is 'Chelsea rent boys' and Liverpool fans who sing that do deserve to be called out and I am saying this as a bisexual football fan, not as an Everton fan.

I mention this cos it's in the comments on James Stewart's tweet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Indomitable Spirit on September 12, 2021, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 05:58:03 PM
What happened to Elliott? Apparently Mo Salah was really upset by it.

Struijk tackle from behind. Won the ball but Elliott's leg got caught under him and snapped. Salah ran about 30yards in the opposite direction with his head in his hands so instantly knew it was a season ender

I have absolutely zero stomach for bad injuries so haven't seen any pictures. Have had to turn off the game tbh.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 12, 2021, 06:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2021, 01:52:00 PM
I think McTominay is a very good midfield player - he's not going to run a game the way Carrick could at his peak, but he's very mobile, strong and can score goals (he had a season playing up front for the U23s years ago). From the current squad, he'd be in my first XI every week and ideally, we'd have brought in someone to play the more defensive role in midfield to allow McTominay to get forward more.

Yeah. McTominay + as yet unknown is what they should be going for in midfield. Especially if McTominay is as good as Fletcher or Butt at their peak.

Sancho has, in fact played extensively, and scored most of his goals playing on the left. His versatility is key to the team - he can play on the left with Greenwood on the right, he can play on the right with Rashford or Pogba on the left or even as a 10 if Fernandes isn't available. He not setthe world on fire in his first two starts, but I thought he was significantly better yesterday than against Wolves.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: Indomitable Spirit on September 12, 2021, 06:02:44 PM
Struijk tackle from behind. Won the ball but Elliott's leg got caught under him and snapped. Salah ran about 30yards in the opposite direction with his head in his hands so instantly knew it was a season ender

I have absolutely zero stomach for bad injuries so haven't seen any pictures. Have had to turn off the game tbh.
The footage is not as gruesome as I thought but still, ouch. Looked nasty.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: Holmesy on September 12, 2021, 05:56:28 PM
You really are a cunt's cunt.

I'm genuinely realy happy he hurt himself badly. It's made my week.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 12, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Gutted for him tbh. He was looking so promising this year. Just hope it's closer to 6 months out rather than full season .
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 06:18:33 PM
I know I'll get slaughtered for saying this but I do feel sad for him. He's pretty young and if it was a leg break he'll be out for a while. Hopefully it's not a career ender but some players are never the same after a leg break. Bolasie's leg break ruined him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 06:41:16 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 06:18:33 PM
I know I'll get slaughtered for saying this but I do feel sad for him. He's pretty young and if it was a leg break he'll be out for a while. Hopefully it's not a career ender but some players are never the same after a leg break. Bolasie's leg break ruined him.

Why would you get slaughtered for feeling sad about someone who's broken their leg?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
Because I'm an Everton fan and he plays for Liverpool?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: badaids on September 12, 2021, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 06:18:33 PM
I know I'll get slaughtered for saying this but I do feel sad for him. He's pretty young and if it was a leg break he'll be out for a while. Hopefully it's not a career ender but some players are never the same after a leg break. Bolasie's leg break ruined him.

Hopefully it'll be like Andre Gomes where it wasnt as bad as it looked or everyone feared. I'm a toffee too, but would never want to see a horrible injury on anyone let alone a liverpool player. Except maybe Souness.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 12, 2021, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 12, 2021, 01:09:38 PM
they buy players because they can, not according to tactical coherence

He was bought because United have a lack of right-sided attacking players. It was a perfectly sound purchase. I am not sure why he isn't being played there at the moment

As for the midfield, in order to shoehorn Pogba into the team United really need a dynamic box-to-box midfielder who can shield the back four and then start attacks. Cammavinga would have been ideal if a bit inexperienced. Ndidi would probably also have done, or Saul that went to Chelsea. I don't think McTominay is that player unless he really levels up so I think they will not challenge for any major honours until that area is sorted, either by fucking off Pogba or building the midfield around him properly
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: badaids on September 12, 2021, 07:08:54 PM
Hopefully it'll be like Andre Gomes where it wasnt as bad as it looked or everyone feared. I'm a toffee too, but would never want to see a horrible injury on anyone let alone a liverpool player. Except maybe Souness.
I remember when Coleman got loads of abuse off our lovely fans for checking on Son to see if he was OK. Because the Dogs of War would NEVER, they'd have beaten Son up, even though Kevin Ratcliffe said Coleman was right to do what he did.

I hope it's not going to be a career ender for Elliott, he's not even out of his teens yet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ted-Maul on September 12, 2021, 08:33:57 PM
I remember when James McCarthy was playing for Everton and someone went to kick the ball and accidentally kicked and broke McCarthy's leg instead (just looked it up and it was Salomon Rondon!!) and the camera changed to show a besuited Seamus Coleman in the Directors box or wherever because he was still sidelined after breaking his own leg whilst playing for Ireland. After staring intently for a few moments he just stood up and fucked off down the tunnel. Apparently he went straight to the changing rooms or medical area to see if he could be of any comfort to McCarthy and his family. Always loved him after that... well I already loved him anyway but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 12, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
Coleman and McCarthy were always close when McCarthy played for us, so I'm not surprised. Ireland team mates and that. I was at that game and it was fucking shite, and when McCarthy's leg broke (and yeah, it was Rondon and tbf to him it was an accident, he was crying about it) I walked out. I'd had enough. A mate who was sat in the Park End heard the snap.

As an aside, I hated fans singing about Seamus Coleman's leg break and it's that sort of thing that makes me wonder if football really is the game for me.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 12, 2021, 09:12:24 PM
101st minute penalty condemned us to a 1-0 defeat yesterday, but basically irrelevant as the additional time came after our midfielder Kirby suffered a double compound fracture of his left leg. Awful injury, hopefully he can recover and still have a career.

About 10 years ago I played a match during which the goalkeeper ad the same injury. We waited for over 90 minutes for the ambulance, with him laid flat out in the freezing turf in total agony. Absolutely disgusting and he didn't play again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 12, 2021, 09:29:24 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/12/472E5D9B00000578-0-image-a-1_1512908096899.jpg)

Been reminiscing about the antics during that relegation season, and recalled that we also signed a guy from Love Island and lost a centre half to a 3 year stretch for dealing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 12, 2021, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: finnquark on September 12, 2021, 09:29:24 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/12/472E5D9B00000578-0-image-a-1_1512908096899.jpg)

Been reminiscing about the antics during that relegation season, and recalled that we also signed a guy from Love Island and lost a centre half to a 3 year stretch for dealing.

Is that Stuart 'Tank' Tomlinson? Vale had him for a while. Bizarre bloke. Used to brag he could kick the upright whilst standing underneath it (not sure why that's useful for a goalkeeper) but seemed to be unable to smother a ball as it would always bounce off his chest. A one-time Mens Health cover star, he also moonlighted as an "exotic" model under the name of Rupert Paddington Gomez. After we released him, he joined Burton and upon his return to Vale Park, he conceded 7 (seven).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 13, 2021, 12:49:54 AM
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Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 13, 2021, 12:58:48 AM
He sounds batshit insane even by goalie standards.

We have Burnley tomorrow. It's going to be a contest to see who can kick the most shit out of the other side.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blinder Data on September 13, 2021, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 06:09:31 PM
I'm genuinely realy happy he hurt himself badly. It's made my week.

What's wrong with you?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
Horrible injury for Elliott, who is (hopefully still) going to be a superstar. I expected to see him called up to the next England squad before yesterday.

It's sort of besides the point in the grand scheme of things given Elliott's now facing a year out and may never be the same player, but the hand-wringing over the tackle is ridiculous.

The way the injury occurred was impossible to legislate for - as far as Struijk is concerned the ball is there to be won fairly. He hasn't gone in with excessive force, he's won the ball cleanly without making contact with the man (with his leading foot), and the injury has come from a freak clash with both of their trailing legs...if you're going to define it as reckless on the basis that an injury of this type CAN happen, that is a de facto ban on sliding tackles, arguably a ban on tackles of any kind.

That sounds like an exaggeration, but it really isn't. It is not possible to tackle in a way that eliminates the possibility of serious injury entirely, tackling creates the possibility of this sort of freak injury. All you can do is take care not to tackle dangerously or with excessive force, which Struijk did. Intention is obviously not relevant, but the argument is whether or not Struijk could reasonably have anticipated that he was putting Elliott at risk with that tackle, and to me it's pretty clear that he couldn't have.

EDIT: Oh and obviously pay no attention to bgmnts. Getting you to react is the point. His posts aren't opinions, they don't mean anything.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 13, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
Yeah there are people saying that the more relaxed refereeing this season was a factor in this injury but that is nonsense. I haven't seen a more aggressive level of tackling going on this season at all
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 13, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on September 13, 2021, 12:54:20 PM
What's wrong with you?

I dont know but I'm genuinely actually legitimately really happy a young lad may have possibly ruined his career obviously.

Wasn't that bad anyway as it turns out. Gutted.

Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
EDIT: Oh and obviously pay no attention to bgmnts. Getting you to react is the point. His posts aren't opinions, they don't mean anything.

Or i was being ironic but who could possibly know? It's likely I do really enjoy people hurting themselves badly and it turns me on. I wish I meant as much as you though :(
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: dr beat on September 13, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 12, 2021, 09:53:38 PM
A one-time Mens Health cover star, he also moonlighted as an "exotic" model under the name of Rupert Paddington Gomez. After we released him, he joined Burton and upon his return to Vale Park, he conceded 7 (seven).

Did he dress up in a duffel coat and pose with marmalade sandwiches, or a red jumper and yellow checked kecks?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 13, 2021, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
The way the injury occurred was impossible to legislate for - as far as Struijk is concerned the ball is there to be won fairly. He hasn't gone in with excessive force, he's won the ball cleanly without making contact with the man (with his leading foot), and the injury has come from a freak clash with both of their trailing legs...if you're going to define it as reckless on the basis that an injury of this type CAN happen, that is a de facto ban on sliding tackles, arguably a ban on tackles of any kind.

load of shite.

no "excessive force"? he's gone flying (literally) into him from behind, both feet off the ground, and his knee has forcefully landed on the back of Elliott's ankle. you can say the severity of the injury was unlucky but you're asking for trouble by taking both your feet off the ground at speed.

"won the ball cleanly with his leading foot" what? so you can go flying into someone's ankle with your knee and it's "won the ball cleanly", as long as it's not your leading knee?

don't really care whether it was a red or whether it's down to the new refereeing approach, but the way you're characterising the injury as a freak accident is bollocks.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 13, 2021, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on September 13, 2021, 12:54:20 PM
What's wrong with you?
That's football fandom for you. "How's your leg, how's your leg, Seamus Coleman?" etc.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 13, 2021, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 13, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
Or i was being ironic but who could possibly know? It's likely I do really enjoy people hurting themselves badly and it turns me on. I wish I meant as much as you though :(

It's okay, I got it.

Idk how anyone interpreted it as serious tbh.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 13, 2021, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
Horrible injury for Elliott, who is (hopefully still) going to be a superstar. I expected to see him called up to the next England squad before yesterday.

It's sort of besides the point in the grand scheme of things given Elliott's now facing a year out and may never be the same player, but the hand-wringing over the tackle is ridiculous.

The way the injury occurred was impossible to legislate for - as far as Struijk is concerned the ball is there to be won fairly. He hasn't gone in with excessive force, he's won the ball cleanly without making contact with the man (with his leading foot), and the injury has come from a freak clash with both of their trailing legs...if you're going to define it as reckless on the basis that an injury of this type CAN happen, that is a de facto ban on sliding tackles, arguably a ban on tackles of any kind.

That sounds like an exaggeration, but it really isn't. It is not possible to tackle in a way that eliminates the possibility of serious injury entirely, tackling creates the possibility of this sort of freak injury. All you can do is take care not to tackle dangerously or with excessive force, which Struijk did. Intention is obviously not relevant, but the argument is whether or not Struijk could reasonably have anticipated that he was putting Elliott at risk with that tackle, and to me it's pretty clear that he couldn't have.

EDIT: Oh and obviously pay no attention to bgmnts. Getting you to react is the point. His posts aren't opinions, they don't mean anything.

is this is a bit? it was very dangerous, tackling from behind almost always is.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: Chollis on September 13, 2021, 02:31:24 PM
load of shite.

no "excessive force"? he's gone flying (literally) into him from behind, both feet off the ground, and his knee has forcefully landed on the back of Elliott's ankle. you can say the severity of the injury was unlucky but you're asking for trouble by taking both your feet off the ground at speed.

"won the ball cleanly with his leading foot" what? so you can go flying into someone's ankle with your knee and it's "won the ball cleanly", as long as it's not your leading knee?

don't really care whether it was a red or whether it's down to the new refereeing approach, but the way you're characterising the injury as a freak accident is bollocks.

Could anyone reasonably expect that making that tackle would endanger the player? I wouldn't say so. Struijk has gone in with his leading foot knowing that he can win the ball without even touching Elliott. There is presumably an awareness that his trailing leg could make contact, but not to the extent that it could cause injury.

I'll probably get accused of ad hominem here but I don't really care at this point because it happens all the time and does my head in: too many football fans are so wrapped up in their bias that they lose all perspective. The majority of neutrals recognise that this was an unfortunate accident rather than a bad foul. Yet the overwhelming majority of fans from the club affected are convinced it was something more sinister. In my opinion it is their emotion leading them to that belief rather than the evidence in front of them.

Probably shouldn't have bothered saying that, but it pisses me off so there you have it.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 13, 2021, 03:47:06 PM
fuck off i'm no liverpool fan.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 13, 2021, 03:14:39 PM
is this is a bit? it was very dangerous, tackling from behind almost always is.

You'll forgive me for pointing out that you also thought Pickford's tackle was a 'blatant attempt to injure the player'.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 13, 2021, 04:08:42 PM
It wasn't a classic "tackle from behind" where you go through the player to get to the ball. An attempt was made to hook round the player to kick the ball from the front of him but he was a bit clumsy and his other leg hit the back of Elliott's leg. These sort of tackles happen all the time and mainly result in no risk of injury at all. It was bad execution that caused the injury, which was a) unintentional and b) dictated by a split second movement of the body where 99 times out of a 100 would have resulted in nothing more than the opposition player being bundled over
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 13, 2021, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:47:27 PM
You'll forgive me for pointing out that you also thought Pickford's tackle was a 'blatant attempt to injure the player'.

i didn't say that one was intentional.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 13, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:41:49 PM
Could anyone reasonably expect that making that tackle would endanger the player?
um, yes?

Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:41:49 PMStruijk has gone in with his leading foot knowing that he can win the ball without even touching Elliott. There is presumably an awareness that his trailing leg could make contact, but not to the extent that it could cause injury.

i don't care about intent, i don't think there was any. i'm sure he calculated what he was doing with his leading leg and won the ball with it, but he's completely lost control of his trailing leg because he's flying, and it's landed directly on a planted ankle. it's the definition of reckless.

Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:41:49 PMI'll probably get accused of ad hominem here but I don't really care at this point because it happens all the time and does my head in: too many football fans are so wrapped up in their bias that they lose all perspective. The majority of neutrals recognise that this was an unfortunate accident rather than a bad foul. Yet the overwhelming majority of fans from the club affected are convinced it was something more sinister. In my opinion it is their emotion leading them to that belief rather than the evidence in front of them.

Probably shouldn't have bothered saying that, but it pisses me off so there you have it.

lol, nice try. you've made no secret of your animosity towards LFC before, the idea you're a neutral viewing this without bias is as laughable as me claiming the same. i don't think there's anything "sinister" going on, i think it was an unfortunate accident in the sense that 9/10 times it wouldn't result in a snapped leg but i still think it's a bad tackle. of course the injury has affected the referee's decision but i really don't understand why this red card is so controversial to some people. 
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 13, 2021, 04:12:58 PM
i didn't say that one was intentional.

You sure?

Quote from: bgmnts on January 20, 2021, 04:17:23 PM
I do, however, think that a blatant attempt to injure a player is mega cunty and the fact that there was no punishment is a bit mental.

Quote from: Utter Shit on January 20, 2021, 04:40:08 PM
[citation needed]

Quote from: chveik on January 20, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
just watch the video, it's not too hard to find
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 13, 2021, 04:26:59 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 04:26:08 PM
You sure?

i meant the strujik tackle you weirdo
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
My mistake, it reads like you're talking about the Pickford one.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 13, 2021, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 03:41:49 PMYet the overwhelming majority of fans from the club affected are convinced it was something more sinister.

The overwhelming majority of the fans of that club are convinced there's something sinister going on whenever the other team gets awarded a throw-in, to be fair.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 13, 2021, 05:17:09 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 12, 2021, 09:53:38 PM
Is that Stuart 'Tank' Tomlinson?

Yeah we had him for 3 games I think, incredibly bad. I think we used 6 keepers that season. I genuinely think a documentary could and probably should be made about it. The number of players who never played football again after being at Moss Lane during that season is absurd.

I was at the penultimate game of the season where, already down, we scored a scruffy late winner at Curzon Ashton. Matt Doughty was in temporary charge, and had taken about 10 points from 60 available. Anyway, when this goal went in he and his assistant ran onto the pitch a la Fergie and Kidd, going mental about winning late on. That was probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen at a game.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 13, 2021, 08:00:41 PM
Rafa's bunged Coleman and Digne in midfield. When's the last time an Everton manager did that?

Struijk's tackle was legit, wasn't it? Just poorly executed.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 13, 2021, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on September 13, 2021, 08:00:41 PM
Rafa's bunged Coleman and Digne in midfield. When's the last time an Everton manager did that?

Struijk's tackle was legit, wasn't it? Just poorly executed.

Yeah but deciding to do something that's legit but if you do it badly is dangerous, makes it reckless and risky.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 13, 2021, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: finnquark on September 13, 2021, 05:17:09 PM
Yeah we had him for 3 games I think, incredibly bad. I think we used 6 keepers that season. I genuinely think a documentary could and probably should be made about it. The number of players who never played football again after being at Moss Lane during that season is absurd.


We had a similar season when we used loads of keepers. It was after our chairman had engineered the resignation of Rob Page by telling him his playing budget had been slashed by 50% (it hadn't). Page left, chairman advertised for a replacement and Jose Mourinho rang him, recommending his friend Bruno Ribeiro and hinting we'd be given first dibs on loads of promising Manchester United 'youngsters'. The United youth were not forthcoming so our chairman decided to buy a load of players from European 2nd and 3rd tiers, all touted by the same agent who doubled as a Coca-Cola importer. Some that we signed arrived in the UK, took a look round Burslem and then asked for their contracts to be cancelled. We got through 49 players that season (think we actually played Altrincham pre-season), got relegated and, just when things couldn't get any worse, gave Michael Brown the manager's job.

QuoteFollowing the decision of Rob Page to leave Port Vale to manage Northampton Town at the end of the 2015–16 campaign a number of names were linked with the Vale job. Chairman Norman Smurthwaite hinted of three "outstanding" candidates, which The Sentinel reported as being Brian Little, Paul Dickov, and José Morais. Bookmakers initially listed Michael Brown as the odds-on favourite, before switching to Morais, then Shefki Kuqi, and then Bruno Ribeiro. He made Dutch centre-back Kjell Knops his first signing of the season, who had spent the previous five years in the Eerste Divisie with MVV Maastricht. A day later, Curaçao under-20 striker Rigino Cicilia was signed after being released by Dutch side Roda JC Kerkrade.The next to join were French midfielders Quentin Pereira and Anthony de Freitas. Another Dutch centre-back, Calvin Mac-Intosch, was then signed from Cambuur.

The next trio to arrive were all Portuguese: midfielder Paulo Tavares and left-back Kiko, both from Vitória Setúbal, and striker Carlos Saleiro from Oriental.[8] A ninth new arrival followed, Chris Mbamba, a Zimbabwean-born former Sweden under-17 international winger from Norwegian 2. Divisjon club HamKam. Bookmakers made Vale second favourites for relegation, though Smurthwaite intimated that he expected the club to reach the play-offs.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 13, 2021, 09:30:19 PM
I'm working atm and just checked the Everton score. That escalated quickly. Burnley are, as usual, being shitbags but they're a horrible team to break down so I'm amazed Everton managed to get anything tbh, not to mention Calvert-Lewin is out.

The first tweet I saw said 'bring Michael Keane off', so it's just as well Benitez doesn't read the bullshit our fans tweet.

ETA: Richarlison is throwing his toys out of the pram again.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on September 13, 2021, 10:12:53 PM
Nobody wants to see players getting injured but unless tackling is banned, freak accidents will unfortunately happen. All the best to a fine young player, one of the best I've seen in the last few years. Van Dijk has shown that it's possible to come back at a professional level after a freak injury, so hopefully that will give the youngster encouragement during the darker days ahead.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 13, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: Chedney Honks on September 13, 2021, 10:12:53 PMVan Dijk has shown that it's possible to come back at a professional level after a psychotic freak injured him.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on September 14, 2021, 01:14:13 AM
Benitez looks knackered. Can't be much fun waking up every half-an-hour thinking you heard someone in the garden.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on September 14, 2021, 09:40:07 AM
Quote from: Lord Mandrake on September 13, 2021, 10:50:19 PM


What is the point in this.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 14, 2021, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: Chollis on September 13, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
lol, nice try. you've made no secret of your animosity towards LFC before, the idea you're a neutral viewing this without bias is as laughable as me claiming the same. i don't think there's anything "sinister" going on, i think it was an unfortunate accident in the sense that 9/10 times it wouldn't result in a snapped leg but i still think it's a bad tackle. of course the injury has affected the referee's decision but i really don't understand why this red card is so controversial to some people. 

You've got your cause and effect the wrong way around. I don't think Liverpool fans are reactionary and biased because I dislike them, I dislike them because they are reactionary and biased (or at least a bigger proportion than at most clubs are).

I'm not going to deny that I tend to dislike a lot of Liverpool fans, but I like to think I can separate my emotions from the evidence in front of me. If it was bias, I'd be piling in on Arsenal and Chelsea fans too, but I don't because it isn't endemic to their fans. It's a pet peeve of mine, seeing people mould reality to fit their pre-existing beliefs, and is now popping up in more serious situations like with Covid deniers, anti-Vaxxers, Brexit voters etc so I'm more attuned to it.

The red card is controversial because the referee is not supposed to base his decision on the outcome of a tackle. In a contact sport, ANY tackle could lead to a serious injury. Son broke Gomes' leg by tripping him. David Busst had his leg turned to powder just by running into Brian McClair and Denis Irwin. Gary Charles injured Paul Gascoigne by existing in the physical realm and thus giving Gascoigne something hard to slam into when he threw himself into a crazy tackle in the '91 cup final.

If you want to prevent the risk of injury (almost) entirely, then you essentially need to make it non-contact. If that's not a palatable end point, then you have to accept that tackles like Struijk's, which would cause no damage 99.9% of the time, are legitimate but that one time in a thousand it could cause an injury.

I think most football fans - and players - would prefer to accept that tiny risk than to eliminate it but massively take away from one of the thrills of the game.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: phantom_power on September 14, 2021, 10:48:25 AM
Players understand these risks and hasn't Ellliott stated that he doesn't think it was Struijk's fault?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 14, 2021, 10:53:14 AM
Why was Klopp still moaning at the fourth official after Struijk had been sent off? What did he want them to do at that point?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Holmesy on September 14, 2021, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 13, 2021, 02:02:51 PM

Or i was being ironic but who could possibly know? It's likely I do really enjoy people hurting themselves badly and it turns me on. I wish I meant as much as you though :(

I'd maybe look up the word irony in a dictionary because you obviously don't know what it means you absolute fucking cock.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on September 14, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 13, 2021, 08:35:03 PM
We had a similar season when we used loads of keepers. It was after our chairman had engineered the resignation of Rob Page by telling him his playing budget had been slashed by 50% (it hadn't). Page left, chairman advertised for a replacement and Jose Mourinho rang him, recommending his friend Bruno Ribeiro and hinting we'd be given first dibs on loads of promising Manchester United 'youngsters'. The United youth were not forthcoming so our chairman decided to buy a load of players from European 2nd and 3rd tiers, all touted by the same agent who doubled as a Coca-Cola importer. Some that we signed arrived in the UK, took a look round Burslem and then asked for their contracts to be cancelled. We got through 49 players that season (think we actually played Altrincham pre-season), got relegated and, just when things couldn't get any worse, gave Michael Brown the manager's job.

Think every club has a season like that. We had one in our earlier days in the Championship where we had Inter Milan loanee Raffaele Nuzzo let in 5 goals in a league cup game against Tranmere and all 5 were his fault. One of those players who technically "played" for Inter but was actually about 64th choice goalie and spent all his time on loan at Italian 15th tier clubs. We then got in Frenchman Fabien Debec who wasn't quite as hopeless but still 8th tier French football. Then we plumped for a 38 year-old Spanish goalie who hadn't played a game in about 3 seasons.

Up front we had Angolan centre forward, Christian Yulu (never played again) and many, many more hopeless foreign signings.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 14, 2021, 01:58:55 PM
Utter Shit, I've had so many bad experiences with Liverpool fans that I am genuinely nervous around them. I don't want to get into it here but it's got to the point that I worry that as soon as I mention what team I support they'll start going 'lol 1995 lol Steaua Bucharest lol the Ev lol bitter lol hope Pickford gets bum raped to death with a cactus'[nb]Well, maybe not that last one[/nb]. I don't like being bantered at, particularly by people I don't know. It's also partly because I had a very nasty incident online two years ago which was football-related and I ended up falling out with the other person in question. I am aware that this is irrational but they're one of the reasons why I don't go on Twitter much nowadays. Blunts, I've had less trouble with but then there's fewer of them and I'm less likely to encounter one.
Quote from: Echo Valley 2-6809 on September 14, 2021, 01:14:13 AM
Benitez looks knackered. Can't be much fun waking up every half-an-hour thinking you heard someone in the garden.
He should hire Pickford as an attack dog. Or Duncan Ferguson, he's good at dealing with burglars.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 14, 2021, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: Holmesy on September 14, 2021, 11:20:58 AM
I'd maybe look up the word irony in a dictionary because you obviously don't know what it means you absolute fucking cock.

Fair enough you do indeed seem like you know what you're talking about so I'll defer to your judgement.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 14, 2021, 06:33:25 PM
Four (4) penalties in the first half of Sevilla v Salzburg!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 14, 2021, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on September 14, 2021, 06:33:25 PM
Four (4) penalties in the first half of Sevilla v Salzburg!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_QzLwoXoAQfb6k?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 14, 2021, 07:16:37 PM
the wankdorf stadium. how accurate
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 14, 2021, 07:18:33 PM
Goalie getting booked for timewasting with half an hour left in a group stage game against Young Boys. The glory days are back at Man Utd!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 14, 2021, 07:29:45 PM
pathetic team really

hesitating between watching the multiplex or barca getting their yearly ass-whooping
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 14, 2021, 07:46:27 PM
90+5 Ronaldo Siebatcheu
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 14, 2021, 07:47:58 PM
You've gotta laugh.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 14, 2021, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on September 14, 2021, 07:47:58 PM
You've gotta laugh.

Rennes has been having a bad patch. they have a pretty good team but sadly the coach is a clown. spurs tend to be the perfect team to get some confidence back though
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 14, 2021, 07:58:11 PM
Goals against Young Boys:
Ronaldo - 1
Andre Wisdom - 1
Jonjo Shelvey - 3
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 14, 2021, 08:22:18 PM
Score first agaenst Young Boys? Acusação de crime? Ronalado NAO GUILTY.

Always is bauetiful legal girls.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on September 14, 2021, 08:28:00 PM
JAJA VIOLAÇÃO
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 14, 2021, 08:38:23 PM
To be fair it wasn't arrogant complacency on United's behalf, they just couldn't figure out how to do any preparatory research on Young Boys, especially with the Greater Manchester Police Cyber Crime unit at a loose end following the cancellation of the weekend's test match.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 14, 2021, 09:46:41 PM
Bayern 3 up v Barca, and barely broken sweat.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Blue Jam on September 14, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
"Cristiano Ronaldo is this generation's Eric Cantona- he'll kung fu kick a moth in the face":

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/cristiano-ronaldo-generations-eric-cantona-24975686
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 14, 2021, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on September 14, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
Think every club has a season like that. We had one in our earlier days in the Championship where we had Inter Milan loanee Raffaele Nuzzo let in 5 goals in a league cup game against Tranmere and all 5 were his fault. One of those players who technically "played" for Inter but was actually about 64th choice goalie and spent all his time on loan at Italian 15th tier clubs. We then got in Frenchman Fabien Debec who wasn't quite as hopeless but still 8th tier French football. Then we plumped for a 38 year-old Spanish goalie who hadn't played a game in about 3 seasons.

Up front we had Angolan centre forward, Christian Yulu (never played again) and many, many more hopeless foreign signings.

Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Crabwalk on September 14, 2021, 10:16:21 PM
Man U fans moaning about losing to Young Boys: Ipswich lost to West Ham's literal U21s in the Papa John's Trophy this evening so shut up.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 14, 2021, 10:19:21 PM
In Soviet Switzerland, Young Boys molest YOU!
Quote from: monkfromhavana on September 14, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
Think every club has a season like that. We had one in our earlier days in the Championship where we had Inter Milan loanee Raffaele Nuzzo let in 5 goals in a league cup game against Tranmere and all 5 were his fault. One of those players who technically "played" for Inter but was actually about 64th choice goalie and spent all his time on loan at Italian 15th tier clubs. We then got in Frenchman Fabien Debec who wasn't quite as hopeless but still 8th tier French football. Then we plumped for a 38 year-old Spanish goalie who hadn't played a game in about 3 seasons.

Up front we had Angolan centre forward, Christian Yulu (never played again) and many, many more hopeless foreign signings.
Southampton had the one where they signed Ali Dia and Graeme Souness got pranked. Everton have had too many of these seasons to mention. Did Onyekuru or Tarashaj ever start for us?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Captain Z on September 14, 2021, 11:01:08 PM
Anyone else watched/noticed the 4-part "Fever Pitch: The Rise Of The Premier League" on iPlayer? Only two parts broadcast so far, and I've only caught ep2 that was on last night - focused on the Man U/Blackburn title race of 94/95. It includes some interesting reflections on scandals/journalism/racism etc and how things have or haven't changed. Interviews with many of the major players too, including Cantona. The section about his kung fu kick was very sympathetic and seemed happy to leave you on his side if you weren't already.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Lurker on September 15, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Yeah, I've watched the first two. Bit dull so far, I thought. Very Man United-centred. I mean, David Beckham is being interviewed about seasons that happened before he even turned professional.

Not exactly exclusive stuff either as Eric Cantona has definitely said in several interviews that he wished he kicked the Palace fan even harder. Had no idea the fella he kicked attacked a load of people in the court case so that was quite interesting.

Probably still watch the next two episodes, like
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 15, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: The Lurker on September 15, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Yeah, I've watched the first two. Bit dull so far, I thought. Very Man United-centred. I mean, David Beckham is being interviewed about seasons that happened before he even turned professional.
He turned professional halfway through 92/93 - he'd made his first team debut in a League Cup tie at Brighton at the start of that season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Utter Shit on September 15, 2021, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: The Lurker on September 15, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Not exactly exclusive stuff either as Eric Cantona has definitely said in several interviews that he wished he kicked the Palace fan even harder. Had no idea the fella he kicked attacked a load of people in the court case so that was quite interesting.

He also claimed that all he said to spark Cantona off was "it's an early bath for you, Mr. Cantona", which is just brilliant.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 15, 2021, 07:11:37 PM
Bout the Sheriffs eh
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 15, 2021, 08:48:21 PM
Mate.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 15, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
lol wtf was that?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 15, 2021, 09:59:04 PM
Do you mean Liverpool or City?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 15, 2021, 09:59:34 PM
yeah that was bloody good fun. i love the champions league. City game was 6-3 n all
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: monkfromhavana on September 16, 2021, 07:58:40 AM
It's weird the way some fans enjoy football. Went to the Cov- Cardiff game last night using my cousin's season ticket (her and her husband on on holiday), "best seats in the house" according to my cousin's sallow, rat-faced husband. Sat in the main stand with a massive tarpaulin stretching over the seats in front of me and no-one else on the row. Good view though. Anyway, there was a mixed bag of people around me, all totally mute, which is fine if that's what you want to do, you buy your ticket, you do what you want.

The only guy who made any noise was a Joe 90 lookalike immediately across the aisle from me. This guy must have been late 50s and didn't even emit a squeak when our goal went in. Fair enough. Then a bit later, Cardiff's assistant manager's toes were on the white touchline paint and suddenly this high-pitched, policeman-in-Withnail screech was let forth by this bloke "GET OFF THE PIIIIIIITCH" swiftly followed by an aside to his wife of "he shouldn't be on the pitch". This happened 8 or 9 times throughout the game and were the only words I saw him speak.

Anyway, in the rest of the ground was probably the best atmosphere I have ever seen at a Coventry game. Holy fuck was it loud.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 16, 2021, 09:45:21 AM
Nice one Club Bruges
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 16, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
Just caught up on Everton v Burnley. That Townsend goal, though. Wow. And to think our fans were moaning because we didn't spend a gazillion quid on Barcelona rejects.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 16, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: The Lurker on September 15, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Yeah, I've watched the first two. Bit dull so far, I thought. Very Man United-centred. I mean, David Beckham is being interviewed about seasons that happened before he even turned professional.

Not exactly exclusive stuff either as Eric Cantona has definitely said in several interviews that he wished he kicked the Palace fan even harder. Had no idea the fella he kicked attacked a load of people in the court case so that was quite interesting.

Probably still watch the next two episodes, like

Quite. 1992/3 and not a minute of Norwich or Aston Villa.

I liked - genuinely liked - watching Kenny Daigleish watching the 1994/95 footage. That was lovely.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 16, 2021, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: finnquark on September 13, 2021, 05:17:09 PM
Yeah we had him for 3 games I think, incredibly bad. I think we used 6 keepers that season. I genuinely think a documentary could and probably should be made about it. The number of players who never played football again after being at Moss Lane during that season is absurd.


Late-nineties for my lot. The era of the anonymous keeper.

1994-95 - Shaka Hislop. Ever present. Clearly going on to better things. Leaves with our blessing.
1995-96 - 6 of the buggers: Simon Sheppard (adventurous: https://mobile.twitter.com/crap90sfootball/status/1385194599786950657), Steve Sutton ("... his moustache and lazy right eye ... ") , Nicky Hammond (translucent), Chris Woods (let in 6 vs Palace), Eric Nixon (1 game, a League Cup QF) and Borislav 'Bobby' Mihailov (bewigged).
1996-97 - 6. again: Steve Mautone (nope), Sal Bibbo (me neither, but he was a decent coach, so... ), Nicky Hammond (as above), Bobby Mihailov (released at end of season), Tommy Wright (solid). And also Jimmy Quinn vs Bolton in February (legendary, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPHXVY0RCYE).
1997-98 - 5 (6 at at push): Steve, Sal, Nicky - neither of whom really pinned down the spot, Nick Colgan and then, as part of the Magnificent Seven, Scott Howie. The 'at a push' is Jamie Ashdown being on the subs bench. He was young but actually quite good.

The next season appeared to be going the same way, with Peter van der Kwaak coming in for 3 games (7 goals conceded - and his biggest error appears to be lost to the internet) but the Howie managed to play more than 25 games a season.

But those late nineties seasons, eesh, where it sometimes felt like our best keeper was the joint-player-manager-striker.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 16, 2021, 03:25:17 PM
do not remember Wiggy Mihailov over here!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 16, 2021, 06:09:32 PM
THRIKER
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 16, 2021, 07:17:24 PM
Ah yes, Chris Woods and his magical flappy hands.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: the hum on September 16, 2021, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: jobotic on September 16, 2021, 09:45:21 AM
Nice one Club Bruges

Celtic reject Jack Hendry putting in an accomplished performance at the back 'n all (to back up his Scotland one against Austria). Seems to have fair turned his career around.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: mjwilson on September 16, 2021, 09:05:31 PM
This seems a bit thin-skinned...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/16/manchester-city-fans-pull-up-pep-guardiola-for-comments-on-home-attendances

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 16, 2021, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: mjwilson on September 16, 2021, 09:05:31 PM
This seems a bit thin-skinned...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/16/manchester-city-fans-pull-up-pep-guardiola-for-comments-on-home-attendances

"I would like more people to come to the next game on Saturday" said Pep THE CUNT.

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 16, 2021, 11:30:08 PM
not the first time he's begged fans to turn up is it?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: thehungerartist on September 17, 2021, 12:40:55 AM
(https://icdn.empireofthekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Screen-Shot-2019-10-23-at-07.50.30.jpg)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 17, 2021, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: thehungerartist on September 17, 2021, 12:40:55 AM
(https://icdn.empireofthekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Screen-Shot-2019-10-23-at-07.50.30.jpg)

Unknown Leipzig from unknown Germany who made the semi finals 2 years ago?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 17, 2021, 08:45:44 AM
PSG, Leipzig and Brugge.

Are they genuinely unknown to city fans?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 17, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
That's not a new advert - note Aguero on it, for one thing - I think they put it out a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 09:51:37 AM
It was from when they got Shakhtar Donetsk, Dinamo Zagreb and Atalanta.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 17, 2021, 10:22:40 AM
"Males". Erm
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 17, 2021, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 09:51:37 AM
It was from when they got Shakhtar Donetsk, Dinamo Zagreb and Atalanta.

Shakhtar, Dinamo and Atalanta are "relatively unknown"? Game's gone, Clive.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 12:33:40 PM
Maybe Manchester City are one of the three relatively unknown teams.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 17, 2021, 01:06:39 PM
One of the most enthusiastic City fans I know is a woman.
Quote from: DrGreggles on September 16, 2021, 09:31:52 PM
"I would like more people to come to the next game on Saturday" said Pep THE CUNT.
Tell your evil overlords to reduce ticket prices then, Pepsi. Why was he screeching at Mahrez?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 17, 2021, 03:43:00 PM
Fun and games at Boundary Park! (https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2021/sep/17/oldham-more-protests-decline-owner-abdallah-lemsagam-league-two)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 17, 2021, 03:50:15 PM
He makes Chansiri look competent.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 17, 2021, 04:04:26 PM
I can say for a fact, based on my one visit there, that the away end of Boundary Park is the coldest place on Earth.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 17, 2021, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: mjwilson on September 16, 2021, 09:05:31 PM
This seems a bit thin-skinned...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/16/manchester-city-fans-pull-up-pep-guardiola-for-comments-on-home-attendances

Got 2 free tickets from work for this. Took my City supporting dad and it was a great game to enjoy as a neutral. Both of us were surprised at the low attendance - I always assumed it was a jibe opposing fans threw at City but it was noticeably sparse in some areas. Still a good atmosphere, but a shame that it wasn't full to see such excellent and exciting quality football. Some City supporting students today were arguing that they genuinely don't have the fantasy to fill the Etihad, which I found surprising.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 17, 2021, 04:38:52 PM
Was the stadium packed before they were bought by Sheikh Mansour?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 17, 2021, 04:38:52 PM
Was the stadium packed before they were bought by Sheikh Mansour?

A quick look shows they tended to be quite full at Maine Road, even in the Championship.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: finnquark on September 17, 2021, 04:50:21 PM
Well my dad's memories of mid to late 70s Maine Rd were that it was full most of the time, but that could be just a misty-eyed nostalgia.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on September 17, 2021, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: finnquark on September 17, 2021, 04:50:21 PM
Well my dad's memories of mid to late 70s Maine Rd were that it was full most of the time, but that could be just a misty-eyed nostalgia.

Possibly irrelevant but there was a lot of new stand building there in the early 1970s, so capacity would have been reduced for a while.

I saw this photo in a Colin Bell obituary a few months ago and thought it might have been a lower league ground at first.

(https://i.imgur.com/onNeGMQ.png)

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 17, 2021, 08:44:24 PM
Derby getting the administrators in. Kind of steaming about this given how the saga of them and Wednesday being terrific cheating twats affected us, but not before time. Rooney to find some other money mark.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 17, 2021, 08:46:31 PM
good game that. saint maximin seems to have really improved
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on September 17, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2021/09/derby-county-board-of-directors-statement-17th-september-2021

We're fucked. Who shall I support now?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 08:55:51 PM
Mick Philpott must be in an absolutely foul mood today.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 08:57:42 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on September 17, 2021, 08:53:51 PM

We're fucked. Who shall I support now?

I hear Manchester City have some empty seats.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 17, 2021, 09:59:57 PM
Rams are getting slaughtered.

Being serious though, that fucking sucks. Even if I am still bitter about Wednesday last season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: kalowski on September 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
I blame Rooney.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Hobo on September 17, 2021, 11:06:36 PM
From the outside despite everything is seems Rooney has done a good job, managing with this hanging over them.

Worst case (points wise - obv worst, worst case is RIP Derby) is -24 points!

12 for administration, 9 for financial twattery and 3 points suspended if they don't pay players and staff on time. Which is surely going to be at risk.

Forest will still finish lower though
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 18, 2021, 10:23:36 AM
Ronalado wants to find a new mansão because the bleating of the ovelhas was keeping him awake à noite.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Bernice on September 18, 2021, 11:47:52 AM
Ãe carambha
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: DrGreggles on September 18, 2021, 01:05:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_kMxbuXoAMPX7d?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 18, 2021, 02:52:52 PM
My sympathy for Steve Bruce continues to be non-existent.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 18, 2021, 03:55:31 PM
i wonder if bayern fans ever get a bit bored
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 18, 2021, 04:33:52 PM
best league in the world eh
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 18, 2021, 04:48:38 PM
Keita has one kick of the ball since coming on in the 60th minute and scores a worldie with it. The Keita Hype Squad will trade off that for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Thursday on September 18, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
Big laughs at seeing a Man City 0-0
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on September 18, 2021, 05:03:22 PM
Quote from: Thursday on September 18, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
Big laughs at seeing a Man City 0-0

£100m on Grealish and don't buy a striker.

#priorities.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SpiderChrist on September 18, 2021, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Thursday on September 18, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
Big laughs at seeing a Man City 0-0

Plus a penalty for Saints and a red card for Walker overturned by the ref after VAR suggested he look at the monitor.

5Live verdict? "City were poor". No praise for Saints, just "a welcome point". Patronising tossbags.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 18, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
i thought it was a clear pen, weird decision
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: SpiderChrist on September 18, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 18, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
i thought it was a clear pen, weird decision

As did I. But then I'm biased. Also can't have Man City losing at home to Southampton, can we? Perish the thought.

Have there been cases where VAR has asked the ref to look at the monitor and the original decision upheld? Seems to me there's psychology at play here - ref gets asked to look at monitor and thinks "Ooh might have got this wrong"
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: bgmnts on September 18, 2021, 07:01:36 PM
Bad few minutes for Digne there.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 18, 2021, 07:07:09 PM
3-0 down, a Digne OG and Pickford, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin AND Coleman out. #cursed I'm not going to shit the bed just yet though. Save that for April when we're facing relegation...

Actually, I'm surprised Ings hasn't got one yet. He did get an assist though.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 18, 2021, 07:12:26 PM
shame about that injury
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 18, 2021, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 18, 2021, 07:12:26 PM
shame about that injury
Bailey?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 18, 2021, 07:15:11 PM
yeah he was great to watch
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 18, 2021, 07:17:52 PM
Grealish having second thoughts?

ETA: someone has mentioned Julian Joachim and now I feel old.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: king_tubby on September 18, 2021, 07:49:10 PM
Heh, mate of mine played with him in junior Lincs football.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: TrenterPercenter on September 18, 2021, 07:50:13 PM
Told you all.  Who is Grealish?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: jobotic on September 18, 2021, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 18, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
i thought it was a clear pen, weird decision

Man City, who've had decisions go their way since the end of the nineties. BIG CLUB

And still their fans think they're hard done by.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 18, 2021, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on September 18, 2021, 07:50:13 PM
Told you all.  Who is Grealish?
A very special boy.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 18, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
If Liverpool are back to 2019 give or take and Chels/Utd improved by ten points or so and City static. LFC win prem by 8 points.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 19, 2021, 12:05:08 PM
We're 5 games in.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 19, 2021, 12:17:32 PM
Yeah I know, there's many a slip etc... just speculating that that Liverpool team from 2019 is still ahead of the others and last season was obviously an anomaly (crowds more a factor than credited) the true status quo is LFC dominance but others gaining.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 19, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
if this Pep thing gives City mindherpes and Tuchel's sickly face becomes too much in the Chelsea dressing room then LFC could win by 10/15 points, but their start has been against teams that will likely finish bottom 8. Yeah VVD looks fine again, Thiago has remembered he can play and Fabinho is playing out of his skin, but not handing trophies out just yet.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 19, 2021, 12:43:58 PM
It was against teams in the bottom half of the table that Liverpool dropped the most points against last season. We got 5 points last season from the equivalent fixtures we have started with this season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 19, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 19, 2021, 12:43:58 PM
It was against teams in the bottom half of the table that Liverpool dropped the most points against last season. We got 5 points last season from the equivalent fixtures we have started with this season.

woah i just rolled a dice and got a six but i got a four last week!
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 19, 2021, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on September 19, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
VVD looks fine again, Thiago has remembered he can play and Fabinho is playing out of his skin, but not handing trophies out just yet.

Thiago & Jota are a net gain from 2018/19. Salah, Mane & fit Firminio not lost a step. Keita, Jones and an angry Hendo cover Wijnaldum exit and of course the 12th man is worth at least 9 points.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: EOLAN on September 19, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on September 19, 2021, 12:43:58 PM
It was against teams in the bottom half of the table that Liverpool dropped the most points against last season. We got 5 points last season from the equivalent fixtures we have started with this season.

Who is the Norwich like for Like from last season?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 19, 2021, 01:31:08 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on September 19, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
Who is the Norwich like for Like from last season?

18th - Fulham = 1st - Norwich
19th - West Brom = 2nd - Watford
20th - Sheffield United = 3rd - Brentford
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 19, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
yikes don't blow your liverpudlian load too soon
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 19, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
I'm simply pointing out that the early signs are good that we have stopped dropping the points we had been dropping last season. Nothing wrong with being confident that we have improved in an area we needed to, surely. I'm personally confident (what is the point in thinking otherwise) but I'm not crowing about being top right now.

January/February will be the key month. Mane, Salah and Keita will be missing for two or three games due to the AFCON (Brentford, Palace and maybe Leicester).
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 19, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
This just doesn't make sense to me;

Latest Premier League top-four odds
Manchester City 1/33.
Chelsea 1/14.
Liverpool 1/5.

Most pundits agreeing with that but it seems largely based on an exceptional season.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 19, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Jimmy Greaves is now Jimmy Graves. He's joined the great football team in the afterlife.

RIP Greavesie.
Quote from: sevendaughters on September 19, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
if this Pep thing gives City mindherpes and Tuchel's sickly face becomes too much in the Chelsea dressing room then LFC could win by 10/15 points, but their start has been against teams that will likely finish bottom 8. Yeah VVD looks fine again, Thiago has remembered he can play and Fabinho is playing out of his skin, but not handing trophies out just yet.
There's also the problem of Man United and their new Portuguese WMD. I'm surprised they're not seen as title contenders.

After the fun and games yesterday, be interesting to see what Rafa does with 4 key players out.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chedney Honks on September 19, 2021, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 19, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
yikes don't blow your liverpudlian load too soon

Haha got em
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Kankurette on September 19, 2021, 03:11:01 PM
Besides, Everton are 5th and 8th place has our name on it. Much like the goonz and 4th, before they got really disappointing.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: imitationleather on September 19, 2021, 03:48:51 PM
The Liverpool fan-fiction over the past couple of pages made my eyes bleed.

You guys know that RAWK exists, right?
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: sevendaughters on September 19, 2021, 03:56:03 PM
nice start for Brighton. they'll probably fade but I have a lot of respect for Potter. strikes me as a superior Southgate in some respects.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: WhoMe on September 19, 2021, 06:00:34 PM
It's gonna be a rough season for Spurs. Still, might be easier to get a few tickets at least
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 19, 2021, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: WhoMe on September 19, 2021, 06:00:34 PM
It's gonna be a rough season for Spurs.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they must surely realise now that they should have taken the Kane money and used it to get some other actual good players. Looking at them today, there's just a gaping, aimless hole behind Kane and Son.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: chveik on September 19, 2021, 06:11:18 PM
werner you plonker
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Chollis on September 19, 2021, 06:20:23 PM
this is brutal to watch
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: ersatz99 on September 19, 2021, 06:24:10 PM
At least that was carbon neutral.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Ignatius_S on September 19, 2021, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on September 19, 2021, 06:10:56 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they must surely realise now that they should have taken the Kane money and used it to get some other actual good players. Looking at them today, there's just a gaping, aimless hole behind Kane and Son.

Wishful thinking, rather than hindsight. The money upfront was less than the headline figures and how much business could be made in that time?

The original deal was £75 million upfront with another £25 million in add-ons further down the line and there wasn't that much time to make the signings.

The revised offer was just under £130 million, but again, a substantial amount was in add-ons and very little time (about a week, IIRC) to make the signings.

Also, if you're selling Kane to bolster other areas of the team, aren't you also going to have to sign a new striker?

Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 19, 2021, 06:40:16 PM
Maybe they should have planned in advance for some signings to make, then? An Ings for £25m, as an example of someone who did move this summer, might not have the same star quality as Kane but would do a good job and would allow them to make the other improvements that seem desperately needed. I think it's arguable that a well-balanced team with quality in every position would be better than a team with no creativity and a shoddy defence fronted by a disinterested star striker.
Title: Re: Football Thread 2021/22: pre-seasons in the abyss
Post by: JamesTC on September 19, 2021, 06:43:16 PM
They did improve the s