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Title: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on July 15, 2021, 10:15:24 PM
Had no idea a third season had been commissioned, never mind filmed, this was a nice surprise:

https://youtu.be/ziBOCIgCaOk

Airing in "Fall" 2021. Kendall Roy being an unselfaware cockend, Roman Roy being a magnificently childish sleazeball, Logan Roy being as terrifying as ever- yep, more of the same good stuff. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: chveik on July 15, 2021, 10:18:13 PM
check out this dunce! (tbf it doesn't seem to inspire the masses)

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=88055.new#new

Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: non capisco on July 15, 2021, 10:21:22 PM
That series 2 cliffhanger was so bloody good I'm going to try and avoid any trailers or even fan conjecture until it's on but I will definitely see you in this thread in "the fall", guys. WHAT a show. 

Just saw Kieran Culkin playing a short lived unlikeable character in the frankly not all that new Soderbergh film 'No Sudden Move' and got excited to see more of Roman being an utter bellwhiff to everyone in his orbit.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on July 15, 2021, 11:24:22 PM
Kieran Culkin voiced one of the radio show callers in Frasier, fact.

check out this dunce! (tbf it doesn't seem to inspire the masses)

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=88055.new#new

Nnnrrrrrgghh! I did try a search before posting, honest!

and got excited to see more of Roman being an utter bellwhiff to everyone in his orbit.

I fucking love Roman Roy. Best comedy-drama sleazebag since Saul Goodman. His summary of Waystar RoyCo's business activities as "Hate speech and rollercoasters" absolutely floored me.

Really need to give the first two seasons a rewatch. Got an unfortunate earworm for this the other day and now I'm wondering how much more cringe-inducing Kendall can get:

L-to-tha-OG
Dude be tha OG-A-N
He playin'... (https://youtu.be/6dUDQTc-9kM)
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on August 26, 2021, 07:01:02 PM
"October":

https://mobile.twitter.com/succession/status/1429760329467109381
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Chollis on August 26, 2021, 07:31:19 PM
So up for this
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Shameless Custard on September 14, 2021, 12:38:27 PM
October 17, though its not clear if it's the first episode being lobbed on HBO Max, or the entire thing
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: peanutbutter on September 14, 2021, 07:30:59 PM
October 17, though its not clear if it's the first episode being lobbed on HBO Max, or the entire thing
It'll be the first episode, running up until a week or two before christmas. It's presumably an 8 or 9 episode season if it's starting that late, maybe opens with a double or something.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: selectivememory on October 18, 2021, 01:34:21 PM
First episode available now.

I caught up with this show earlier this year. Best thing on TV by miles at the moment. Season opener was pretty decent, feels like they needed an episode to let the dust settle and reposition everyone after the bombshell at the end of the second season, but it's all nicely poised now.

I love Kendall, he's such a dweeb.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 18, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Thought this was tomorrow for some reason, excellent. Cheers for the heads up!
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 18, 2021, 09:27:19 PM
"WE'LL GO FULL... FUCKING... BEAST!

Oh yeah. Great start.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Chollis on October 18, 2021, 09:39:40 PM
I love Kendall, he's such a dweeb.

hah yes. great first episode i thought, first half hour especially
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Mobius on October 18, 2021, 09:41:54 PM
Yeah really loved that first episode, so glad the show is back. Wish they'd drop them all at once but I suppose we have something to look forward too each week at least.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 18, 2021, 09:52:11 PM
I love Kendall, he's such a dweeb.

Me too, he's somehow an even bigger dweeb than Cousin Greg, so cringe-making and so delightfully lacking in self-awareness. Talking over his PR team with "Fuck the weather, we're changing the cultural climate" and looking very pleased with himself while they were wondering who the fuck this jumped-up pipsqueak is. Who knows, maybe this season he'll even top L-to tha-O-G...

Roman still has to be my favourite though, the little shit. Telling Gerri he'd break the big news to Shiv in a sensitive way and then you knew exactly what was coming: #Your friend doesn’t like you, boo-hoo...#. Just gloriously childish. Good to see he's still a revolting little Slime Puppy as well, eh Gerri?
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: non capisco on October 18, 2021, 10:13:46 PM
Kendall utterly intoxicated on self-importance again was brilliant. The chat with the first set of lawyers was deliciously loathsome.

"Who says I haven't killed anyone?" 'Kin 'ell.

Great to have this complete pack of shitbags back.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: chveik on October 18, 2021, 10:34:18 PM
good start
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 18, 2021, 10:47:49 PM
I am going to meet Logan Roy next month. Bit terrified:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ticket-and-book-putting-the-rabbit-in-the-hat-brian-cox-tickets-187593526287

What shall I get him to write in my book? I'm not brave enough to request "FUCK OFF".

Incidentally I have already met the shiny-cheeked physics hamster of the same name and got him to sign a book, so I'll be doing the double here.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on October 19, 2021, 12:20:24 AM
“Have a problem in there, buddy? Can’t find a vein?”
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Inspector Norse on October 19, 2021, 07:06:19 AM
Wish they'd drop them all at once but I suppose we have something to look forward too each week at least.

At least with one a week you have time for some proper media monitoring the day after to check reviews and opinion. The Internet is big, obviously, and you couldn't read it all.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Glyn on October 19, 2021, 12:19:35 PM
Hugely glad that this is still the best (and often funniest) show on TV. Was great that there were no big set pieces ,helicopters aside, and it was just straight into character driven plot through a series of different conversations and meetings. They've really set this up nicely with all the spinning plates in play, hope it keeps up this level of quality for the next few weeks.

It's the sign of a great show when you give characters like Connor, Greg and Tom some tiny moments which still land perfectly.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 19, 2021, 12:48:42 PM
It's the sign of a great show when you give characters like Connor, Greg and Tom some tiny moments which still land perfectly.

I liked the tiny sub-plot about Willa's play, which evidently bombed, and Connor trying to convince her to play up to the so-bad-it's-brilliant reputation and cultivate an ironic following, The Producers-style, and Willa not buying it because for her it's not about the money (she's got Connor and her other "career" for that, right?) and she just wants to be seen as a great playwright/actor and a serious artiste. I guess thing Willa and Connor actually do have something in common, even if it is a deluded sense of their own abilities and some totally unrealistic career goals. That was just a nice little glimpse into their weird relationship.

Thinking about that now I realise Connor was possibly thinking about the film Waystar RoyCo produced that became known as "The Biggest Turkey In The World" and how the firm was able to capitalise on that and turn its fortunes at the box office around. Connor may not have any business savvy but it was just a little reminder that the Roys are ruthless and greedy and don't care about art or culture, and that they just don't understand ordinary people's hopes and dreams or think like the rest of us. Great writing.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: mikeyg27 on October 19, 2021, 03:36:16 PM
I wouldn't work out if Kendall was veering into caricature or not as he seemed a lot more OTT than usual, although it might just be that he spent last season as a quivering wreck the whole time and this is a rebound to his true self.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: phantom_power on October 19, 2021, 03:41:34 PM
He is also super-wired with adrenalin because of the whole situation. His constant pleas for affirmation that he had done the right thing were almost sweet
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: thugler on October 19, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
I was slightly aghast at the idea Roman was even in the running for CEO. Gerri or Shiv were the obvious choice
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: AllisonSays on October 19, 2021, 04:30:32 PM
I feel like Roman and Kendall are opposites, kind of. Roman doesn't care if people think he's clever and he doesn't present himself with a business-school sheen, he's crass and adolescent, but he comprehends the fundamental dynamics of corporate maneuvering pretty clearly - it's all about power, who has it, and who can get it. Kendall tries very hard to come across as lucid, sensitive, thoughtful, contemporary - as in that cringey Bojack line - but his actual grasp of the realpolitik strategy, the power game, is always vague, which is why he always seems to fuck it up. They're both incomplete copies of their da, I guess, but I think Roman's actually slightly closer to him in his willingness to get down to the basics of the situation (something that consistently eludes Kendall, who's obsessed with fripperies and externalities like his Twitter feed).
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: bobloblaw on October 19, 2021, 04:44:14 PM
I am going to meet Logan Roy next month. Bit terrified:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ticket-and-book-putting-the-rabbit-in-the-hat-brian-cox-tickets-187593526287

What shall I get him to write in my book? I'm not brave enough to request "FUCK OFF".

Incidentally I have already met the shiny-cheeked physics hamster of the same name and got him to sign a book, so I'll be doing the double here.

Get them to sign each other's. They'll be worth more.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: mjwilson on October 19, 2021, 05:46:32 PM
I wouldn't work out if Kendall was veering into caricature or not as he seemed a lot more OTT than usual, although it might just be that he spent last season as a quivering wreck the whole time and this is a rebound to his true self.

A big hatful of cocaine maybe?

I was slightly aghast at the idea Roman was even in the running for CEO. Gerri or Shiv were the obvious choice

I thought Shiv really fucked things up last season. (Not to say that Roman hasn't done his share of fucking things up.) Don't know who it could be but Gerri.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 19, 2021, 05:51:05 PM
Get them to sign each other's. They'll be worth more.

Ha! I wouldn't dare. Brian Cox The Actor would definitely write "FUCK OFF" if I handed him a book by Brian Cox The Physics Hamster.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: phantom_power on October 19, 2021, 06:45:08 PM
I was slightly aghast at the idea Roman was even in the running for CEO. Gerri or Shiv were the obvious choice

I think Logan always keeps people dangling along with the hope they might be the fated one, and he throws names around to judge how others react to them as a sort of test. I don't think Roman was ever really in the running but Logan may have learnt something from those conversations
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Inspector Norse on October 19, 2021, 06:49:59 PM
I thought Shiv really fucked things up last season. (Not to say that Roman hasn't done his share of fucking things up.) Don't know who it could be but Gerri.

I kind of think Logan offered it to Shiv last season not as a serious future plan but to see how she reacted; and she reacted impatiently and egotistically, and kept showing poor judgment. It's interesting that as mentioned with Kendall and Roman above, it's the qualities (or flaws) that have made Logan so successful that, in different combinations, make his offspring all unsuited for the top job.
Roman is one who - perhaps because of Geri's influence, and it's hard not to imagine that that subplot is going to end quite delightfully horribly - seems to be developing and getting the hang of what it takes, and he sometimes shows the ruthlessness and killer instinct that Logan has previously looked for in Kendall. But it's Kendall who has the head for details and figures and contacts.
Ultimately the problem is that if the three kids (let's ignore the utterly useless Connor at this point) could work together, they might do a good job, but their total dysfunction prevents it. The moments when they let their guards down and show genuine affection are some of the show's strongest, I often think, but one of its other strengths is showing just how completely fucked up this lifestyle makes people.

In a way I can see the show struggling if it strings out its titular question much longer: the squabbling for the throne will get tiresome in the end and a new direction will be needed. Thus far, though, it's done a great job of keeping everyone guessing. It could genuinely be anyone (other than Connor[1]): none of the three kids are really up to it, Geri and some of the other suits are developing into real contenders, Marcia is manoeuvring in the background, outside forces are circulating, and Greg is definitely up to something.
 1. or Tom, very much the Matt Hancock of this world
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on October 19, 2021, 07:01:44 PM
Fact that it was in the little recap at the start makes me think a Conor Roy presidential run really is in the offing.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 09:30:40 AM
Fact that it was in the little recap at the start makes me think a Conor Roy presidential run really is in the offing.

"Hey Dad, I have a plan! I'll just become President and then tell the world everything Kendall says is FAKE NEWS!"

"Fuck off."
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 20, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
“Have a problem in there, buddy? Can’t find a vein?”

Heh, that was great. Pure Thick Of It/Veep

What a great episode to return with. A spectacular load of cunts, scrambling for position in the quicksand. Love, love, love it

Shiv is still insanely attractive, then. And a great character. Her dynamic with her brothers is so real and great

Liked Roman winding her up on the phone. Billions at stake, yet it's still just a sibling winding up another with silliness on the phone. I hope this show never loses that, as it's real and brilliant

Best telly going at the moment, by miiiiiles
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 20, 2021, 01:07:25 PM
As much as I love Shiv's character, she clearly still isn't ready for the top job. Her childish reaction to her mate turning down her job offer shows that very clearly.

Then after Roman's call she's turning the car round, to (seemingly) head to Kendall's side, without even really putting any thought into it. I love her, and Tom, but they constantly shoot themselves in the foot. And maybe they always will

Talking of Tom, how very awkward his goodbye with his wife was. Blowing a half arsed kiss, her half arsed catching it. Oh dear. I hope those crazy kids patch it up

Yeah, this one episode a week is gonna be a bit hard
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
As much as I love Shiv's character, she clearly still isn't ready for the top job. Her childish reaction to her mate turning down her job offer shows that very clearly.

Liked Roman winding her up on the phone. Billions at stake, yet it's still just a sibling winding up another with silliness on the phone. I hope this show never loses that, as it's real and brilliant

Yeah, I loved that. Roman's supposedly "the childish one" but Shiv ain't all that grown up, and Roman knows exactly how to push lil' sis's buttons. Real and relatable and hilarious.


Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: phantom_power on October 20, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
They may show flashes of likeability, vulnerability and relatability but the show never forgets that they are fucked up little rich kids who have never "needed" to do a day's work in their lives and have been so immeasurably fucked up by their dad's subtle, and not so subtle, abuses in so many different ways that none of them could ever be a proper functioning person, let alone business giant.

As someone earlier said, if you could Voltron them together you would probably end up with a business god akin to Barry Homeowner but individually they are a mess and part of their fucked-up-ness is that they could never work together as a team without fucking each other over or getting paranoid about the others fucking them over
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 02:04:07 PM
I feel like Roman and Kendall are opposites, kind of. Roman doesn't care if people think he's clever and he doesn't present himself with a business-school sheen, he's crass and adolescent, but he comprehends the fundamental dynamics of corporate maneuvering pretty clearly - it's all about power, who has it, and who can get it. Kendall tries very hard to come across as lucid, sensitive, thoughtful, contemporary - as in that cringey Bojack line - but his actual grasp of the realpolitik strategy, the power game, is always vague, which is why he always seems to fuck it up. They're both incomplete copies of their da, I guess, but I think Roman's actually slightly closer to him in his willingness to get down to the basics of the situation (something that consistently eludes Kendall, who's obsessed with fripperies and externalities like his Twitter feed).

This is a great post.

I kind of think Logan offered it to Shiv last season not as a serious future plan but to see how she reacted; and she reacted impatiently and egotistically, and kept showing poor judgment. It's interesting that as mentioned with Kendall and Roman above, it's the qualities (or flaws) that have made Logan so successful that, in different combinations, make his offspring all unsuited for the top job.

Roman is one who - perhaps because of Geri's influence, and it's hard not to imagine that that subplot is going to end quite delightfully horribly - seems to be developing and getting the hang of what it takes, and he sometimes shows the ruthlessness and killer instinct that Logan has previously looked for in Kendall. But it's Kendall who has the head for details and figures and contacts.
Ultimately the problem is that if the three kids (let's ignore the utterly useless Connor at this point) could work together, they might do a good job, but their total dysfunction prevents it. The moments when they let their guards down and show genuine affection are some of the show's strongest, I often think, but one of its other strengths is showing just how completely fucked up this lifestyle makes people.

So is this.

I was slightly aghast at the idea Roman was even in the running for CEO. Gerri or Shiv were the obvious choice

Isn't it implied that Roman is "The Clever One" (though with the Roys that's not saying much) and would actually be a frontrunner if it weren't for his chronic childishness and tiddly attention span? I'm thinking of things like the episode where he was made to go on a business leadership course at one of Waystar Royco's theme parks, and while he resented the idea that he needed more training, he then took the course semi-seriously and ended up winning the little group project task (before putting on the Biggest Turkey In The World costume and going out in the park to insult the guests).

Shiv's probably the most presentable and the most socially adept (again, not saying much) but as well as representing a Democrat politician who despises everything Logan stands for, she hasn't actually worked for Waystar Royco or in any other media/entertainment business- her background is in politics, not a million miles away but still not as close as Roman or Kendall. And like Kendall, she also isn't half as clever or expertly manipulative as she likes to think she is.

Also for all of Roman's sleazy demeanour, iirc he's actually the only one of the Roy siblings who's not been involved in any major scandal. He's not responsible for the death of an innocent man, he doesn't have a drug problem, he has no connection to the cruise ship scandal (and isn't married to someone who is), he isn't seeking an open marriage and threesomes, he isn't in a weird fake relationship with a hooker. For all that people make him out to be a bit rapey and predatory ("What is that- Date Rape by Calvin Klein?) and the way he plays up to it ("You wish"), he actually has major hang-ups about sex. Sure, he's still a scumbag and nowhere near mature enough for the top job, but am I remembering this correctly or has he managed to keep his hands the cleanest (not counting that time he tried to clean his office window of course)? The sattelite exploding is the worst thing I can think of, and even then he wasn't directly responsible and no-one died. His childishness stops people taking him seriously, but also keeps him away from serious business he can then screw up.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Emotional Support Peacock on October 20, 2021, 02:12:36 PM
He rushed the satellite launch which blew up in his face. But that’s not so much scandalous as incompetent, assuming no one died.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 02:15:04 PM
He rushed the satellite launch which blew up in his face. But that’s not so much scandalous as incompetent, assuming no one died.

Ah right, thanks for that. I couldn't quite remember the details. And no-one died, I think two people lost a thumb or something- perhaps that was to highlight that even when he does fuck up, and with something as spectacular as a sattelite launch, he still doesn't do as much harm as the rest. By contrast Kendall managed to kill someone just by being a passenger in their car, and Cousin Greg may have done an enormous amount of harm with a document shredder.

I'm not defending him of course- I imagine there's a chance that if people took him more seriously and gave him some real power he might prove to be just as much of a liability.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Proactive on October 20, 2021, 06:42:29 PM
At least with one a week you have time for some proper media monitoring the day after to check reviews and opinion. The Internet is big, obviously, and you couldn't read it all.
Just wanted to give this underrated post a thumbs up.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: mjwilson on October 20, 2021, 07:17:05 PM
Talking of Tom, how very awkward his goodbye with his wife was. Blowing a half arsed kiss, her half arsed catching it. Oh dear. I hope those crazy kids patch it up

Oh no, I want to see Tom set free from that relationship.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Blue Jam on October 20, 2021, 08:39:50 PM
At least with one a week you have time for some proper media monitoring the day after to check reviews and opinion. The Internet is big, obviously, and you couldn't read it all.

Just wanted to give this underrated post a thumbs up.

Me too! As someone who got into Breaking Bad, The Sopranos etc long after they first aired it's nice to be able to watch a show and get caught up in the hype, it's probably the closest thing we have to watercooler moments these days.

I love doing this with Succession and Better Call Saul- and I'd say both shows are best not binge-watched. BCS because it's so emotionally draining as well as intricately detailed, but I binge-watched the first two seasons of Succession and while I loved it then, it was only on my recent rewatch that I really took all the little details in. I think I'm now going to treat []Succession[/i] like BCS and watch every episode twice in the week it airs.

As for reviews and opinion- good to take the cultural temperature innit? ;) The AV Club were a bit underwhelmed by episode 1, but I guess a B grade is fair enough for the calm before the storm:

https://www.avclub.com/succession-s-third-season-premieres-with-a-smidge-too-m-1847882111

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Everything seems amped up in a slightly performative way. Kendall and Logan trading barbs pulled from fairy tales through Kendall’s assistant Jess

I actually really liked that bit and didn't think it felt contrived at all. It was Logan being genuinely menacing and Kendall not knowing how to respond, coming out with glib replies also mentioning Jack And The Beanstalk where a simple "Fuck off" to his dad would have been much more powerful. Instead he's allowing Logan to keep directing the conversation and Logan's the giant while Kendall is a small child being read a fairytale. For me the humour came mostly from Jess passing messages between them, like a child passing messages between soon-to-be-divorced parents, and being too inexperienced and panicked to do it diplomatically, just quoting their childish remarks verbatim rather than translating them to something more diplomatic like "Mr Roy has taken your remarks on board and will reply in due course" or whatever. Some Thick Of It DNA right there.

Kendall also sounded like such a dweeb in the wake of that magnificent C-bomb from Logan. You can't come back from that with a quote from a pantomime.
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: chveik on October 20, 2021, 08:44:43 PM
As for reviews and opinion- good to take the cultural temperature innit? ;) The AV Club were a bit underwhelmed by episode 1, but I guess a B grade is fair enough for the calm before the storm:

https://www.avclub.com/succession-s-third-season-premieres-with-a-smidge-too-m-1847882111

hmm that review is basically a summary of the plot. not much value added
Title: Re: Succession season 3
Post by: Inspector Norse on October 20, 2021, 09:03:24 PM
Me too! As someone who got into Breaking Bad, The Sopranos etc long after they first aired it's nice to be able to watch a show and get caught up in the hype, it's probably the closest thing we have to watercooler moments these days. I love doing this with Succession and Better Call Saul

Yeah, when most shows I watch these days are available as and when I want, it still feels pretty special to have appointment viewing like this. Spring and summer 2017 was a wonderful time with me commandeering the TV every Monday after the kids went to bed in order to get my double bill of Game of Thrones and Twin Peaks. That it's only once a week allows anticipation and the wider cultural impact and significance to build: everyone's experiencing it the same way, reacting at the same time and feeding off what others think.

I think the AV Club are usually pretty good for reviews on things like this and agree with them on some of the points this week. It was a good episode with plenty of good lines and character moments, but a low-key plot-arranger episode nonetheless, and a handful of things did feel a bit token or overfamiliar. But yeah the phone call relayed through Jess was good - it's a childish thing to do (tell him I'm not talking to him) but showed still how a character like Jess will always be simply a tool to the Roys, No Real Person.