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Title: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 17, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
New thread as the other one has reached 101 pages.

With thanks to Johnny Yesno for "Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F6739f2aa-e3c3-11eb-afdb-c7b01afbcfc5.jpg?crop=4800%2C2700%2C0%2C0&resize=1180)

Eye candy for the new thread
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 12:29:30 PM
looks like a photoshoot from a forgotten new wave lp.

are battley and spens electric?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
Adele: 42
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 17, 2021, 12:31:33 PM
Surprised you didn’t go with Cursed Armour tbh
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on July 17, 2021, 12:32:28 PM
sorry but that's tacky as fuck. pvc skinnies is such a basic bitch look now anyway. BIG eyeroll for the rose acrylic

zarah sultana actually has some real fashion sense, on the other hand. and a soul also

also sorry not sorry but speaking of politicians with fashion sense does anyone remember that vivienne westwood tartan suit theresa may wore? fuckin SLAPPED

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/nintchdbpict000294974371.jpg)

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 17, 2021, 12:33:26 PM
I still hate the Labour party!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 17, 2021, 12:42:54 PM
The white cuff and collar details are ugh. She looks like a seamstress who has recently attempted suicide.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 17, 2021, 12:46:02 PM
Counterpoint: I think she looks great
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 17, 2021, 12:56:45 PM
Forum fav the IDS have done another splendid thing

https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1416364818701881345

"Interesting you should mention The Omen..."
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 17, 2021, 01:00:01 PM
That is superb.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2021, 01:05:38 PM
Hartlepool of Darkness
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: buttgammon on July 17, 2021, 01:11:17 PM
I never thought anyone or anything could put me off PVC trousers and leggings but there you go, a lifetime's fetishism ruined in the blink of an eye!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 17, 2021, 01:17:18 PM
Who cares what the fuck she is wearing at any given moment

https://www.huckmag.com/perspectives/opinion-perspectives/jess-phillips-woman-of-the-people-or-just-out-for-herself/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 02:20:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZDV4U0e.png)

lmao
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: buttgammon on July 17, 2021, 02:25:10 PM
Pictures like that almost make me wish I'd voted leave.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: badaids on July 17, 2021, 02:28:23 PM
looks like a photoshoot from a forgotten new wave lp.

are battley and spens electric?

Or a Superman II reboot publicity shot.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 17, 2021, 02:30:42 PM
DID I TELL YOU I GREW UP ON A MUNICIPALLY-OWNED ESTATE OF SOCIAL HOUSING? TAKE THAT YOU DELUDED TROTS
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Replies From View on July 17, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
The white cuff and collar details are ugh. She looks like a seamstress who has recently attempted suicide.

and succeeded
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 17, 2021, 02:34:38 PM
this is probably the worst thing this cunt has ever done. watch the videos if you haven't: it's incredibly bad how pandering he is to these awful people. that the Asian fella who voted for Blair in 97 ran as a tory councillor is just the cherry on the shitty cake.

(I saw a tweet complaining there wasn't a single black voice there, well, good fucking luck finding a single black person in Blackpool)

No-one under 30, either, which is utterly moronic considering one of the things he was explicitly there to talk about was support for the under-25s.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 17, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
Eddie Marsan is very good at the old acting and that. It's a shame he's such a massive twat, but I suppose you can't have everything.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 02:41:45 PM
Eddie Marsan is very good at the old acting and that. It's a shame he's such a massive twat, but I suppose you can't have everything.

Is it acting? He seems to play people who are fucking nutters who bubble away under a veneer of normality then crack and have a massive benny.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: EOLAN on July 17, 2021, 02:52:59 PM
Is Keir just going to turn into Trump. Just listening to people and pretty much agreeing with the last thing he has heard. Will any of these meetings have people who switched away from Labour since 2017/19 and don't intend voting going forward. Or is he just happy to promote meetings where he believes that Jeremy Corbyn will be the one getting slagged off and he doesn't have to be seen to nod along to any support of him and the policies of those manifestos. Better to just slag off 'some' young people.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 17, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
Is it acting? He seems to play people who are fucking nutters who bubble away under a veneer of normality then crack and have a massive benny.

He's the ultimate method actor.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
He's the ultimate method actor.

Jennifer Anniston
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 02:55:16 PM
Is Keir just going to turn into Trump. Just listening to people and pretty much agreeing with the last thing he has heard. Will any of these meetings have people who switched away from Labour since 2017/19 and don't intend voting going forward. Or is he just happy to promote meetings where he believes that Jeremy Corbyn will be the one getting slagged off and he doesn't have to be seen to nod along to any support of him and the policies of those manifestos. Better to just slag off 'some' young people.

Trump could spout incoherent bollocks with conviction though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Seems relevant to post this belter

(https://external-preview.redd.it/ySS6kCQMxujepwedkSW0odiqJljf5vrzSev48LgimfU.jpg?auto=webp&s=766f6e3b8ebfa1ecc1b85b9f24326b5e073e7433)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
He really is amazing. Love how he seems to have had these thoughts long after Corbyn was out the way.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 17, 2021, 03:00:20 PM
I can imagine they have a few EU flags up at centrist dinner parties. And probably pictures of Keith and of Rory Stewart.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 03:02:51 PM
I can imagine they have a few EU flags up at centrist dinner parties. And probably pictures of Keith and of Rory Stewart.

Interlude from EU Guitar Lady as they're bringing the post dinner coffee out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 17, 2021, 03:07:27 PM
Seems relevant to post this belter

(https://external-preview.redd.it/ySS6kCQMxujepwedkSW0odiqJljf5vrzSev48LgimfU.jpg?auto=webp&s=766f6e3b8ebfa1ecc1b85b9f24326b5e073e7433)

Neoliberal status quo, status quo!
Neoliberal status quo, status quo!
We like things the way they are
Neoliberal status quo
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Butchers Blind on July 17, 2021, 03:09:16 PM
(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F6739f2aa-e3c3-11eb-afdb-c7b01afbcfc5.jpg?crop=4800%2C2700%2C0%2C0&resize=1180)

"Honestly though @jessphillips, politics not photoshoots from now on, aye?"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 17, 2021, 03:14:43 PM
i love centrists but i couldn't eat a whole one!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 17, 2021, 03:26:36 PM
My taste in food is so bland that I think I may be guilty of eating centrist dinners.

Not at parties though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on July 17, 2021, 03:39:58 PM
dunno why i wasted my time doing this but

Jess 'Punished' Phillips

(https://i.imgur.com/qIQ2Oeh.png)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 03:41:24 PM
would be really funny if she went full adam ant and lobbed a starter motor through a pub
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Psybro on July 17, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Eats big centrist dinners
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: bgmnts on July 17, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
dunno why i wasted my time doing this but

Jess 'Punished' Phillips

(https://i.imgur.com/qIQ2Oeh.png)

As long as it's not Naked Phillips.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on July 17, 2021, 04:19:21 PM
ah fuck is it too late to say Big (girl)Boss
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Thomas on July 17, 2021, 04:20:23 PM
Seems relevant to post this belter

(https://external-preview.redd.it/ySS6kCQMxujepwedkSW0odiqJljf5vrzSev48LgimfU.jpg?auto=webp&s=766f6e3b8ebfa1ecc1b85b9f24326b5e073e7433)

Occasionally I'll have to sit through an Eddie Marsan performance in a gritty English gangster film, but thankfully he's usually playing some snivelling patheto you're meant to dislike anyway.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 04:23:19 PM
Occasionally I'll have to sit through an Eddie Marsan performance in a gritty English gangster film, but thankfully he's usually playing some snivelling patheto you're meant to dislike anyway.

I've only seen him in Tyrannosaur and Happy Go Lucky.

Seems like he was playing Eddie Marsan I reckon.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 04:23:39 PM
I can imagine they have a few EU flags up at centrist dinner parties. And probably pictures of Keith and of Rory Stewart.

a few too many glasses of expensive wine, cocaine and they're braying about locking up disabled 'away from view'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: bgmnts on July 17, 2021, 04:23:53 PM
Imagine missing dinner parties.

Centrists really are just tories who don't have the bottle to be actual tories.

They ALMOST make tories seem like laudable human beings in a way.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
Imagine missing dinner parties.

Centrists really are just tories who don't have the bottle to be actual tories.

They ALMOST make tories seem like laudable human beings in a way.

I reckon I respect tories more. They're on the other side of the line and more honest about it.

Would rather have a pint with one of them than some sort of gaslighter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 04:26:08 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0302/2438/4137/articles/engbullterrier_375x.jpg?v=1613159910)


Centrist dinner parties
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 04:34:16 PM
dog classism that, careful mate, careful
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 17, 2021, 04:34:26 PM
hold that very reasonable take on Islam for a moment, Melanie, Frances is bringing her soup in!


OHHH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: bgmnts on July 17, 2021, 04:42:47 PM
English Bull Terriers have way too much character to be a centrist surely?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 04:53:48 PM
Thought it was an (american) pit tbh

nah completely wrong on my part, they look like 'normal' bulls and have a staffie-like face
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greenman on July 17, 2021, 04:53:54 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/60bf33ffdc11f6b152c6cb4a0d9be12c/tumblr_oimcflfpuR1snusg4o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: JamesTC on July 17, 2021, 06:06:28 PM
Seems relevant to post this belter

(https://external-preview.redd.it/ySS6kCQMxujepwedkSW0odiqJljf5vrzSev48LgimfU.jpg?auto=webp&s=766f6e3b8ebfa1ecc1b85b9f24326b5e073e7433)

"Poverty is bad."
"You had to ruin our lovely centrist dinner party with your moral certainties, didn't you? We want a grown-up debate which can see both sides of poverty."
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 17, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/17/starmer-sweat-blood-votes-labour-leader-opposition

This is good from Zoe Williams.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 06:28:02 PM
English Bull Terriers have way too much character to be a centrist surely?

Marsden reminds me of one.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 17, 2021, 07:06:06 PM
Is that tweet real? I remember him going on about people bringing their wives to dinner parties.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 07:09:09 PM
Marsden reminds me of one.

westie imo, completely pointless animal
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 17, 2021, 07:10:12 PM
Is that tweet real? I remember him going on about people bringing their wives to dinner parties.
oh ye of little faith
https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1373242851677634563
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 17, 2021, 07:12:19 PM
Is he conflating centrism with the ironic detachment of post-modernism? Are they linked? Could some accomplished political philosopher chip in please?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2021, 07:13:51 PM
Is he conflating centrism with the ironic detachment of post-modernism? Are they linked? Could some accomplished political philosopher chip in please?

I have a philosophy undergraduate degree (with a minor in economics) and am a political science graduate student so I’ll do my best:

He’s a clueless belm merchant.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 07:15:01 PM
That'll do for me.

Cobb (BSC Hons)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 17, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
Is it that Centrists no longer have dinner parties or have they just stopped inviting Marsan?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 17, 2021, 07:26:52 PM
Is it that Centrists no longer have dinner parties or have they just stopped inviting Marsan?

It sounds like he’s been going to ones with too much flag waving and antisemitism over nibbles which got in the way of the chats re: property prices and school fees.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 17, 2021, 07:41:07 PM
Eddie Marsden was perfectly happy to appear in a film with Mel Gibson.

I'm just saying.

You know, just in case people think he gave a tuppenny shite about antisemitism.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 07:43:49 PM
he really is just a massive prick
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 07:48:41 PM
That'll do for me.

Cobb (BSC Hons)

Best Scotch, Honest! ??
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 08:02:16 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-set-expel-1000-24557627

I reckon this amounts to ousting anyone using the 'k-word' on twitter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 08:03:12 PM
Best Scotch, Honest! ??

I've got an actual proper degree from the sixth fifth oldest university in the united kingdom *waggles tie*
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 17, 2021, 08:08:27 PM
Just came to post the Mirror story.

Trade unionists next.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 17, 2021, 08:09:22 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-set-expel-1000-24557627

I reckon this amounts to ousting anyone using the 'k-word' on twitter.

How does Labour know which members are part of these groups?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 17, 2021, 08:13:35 PM
Good question!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 17, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
Reckon this amounts to ousting anyone using the 'k-word' on twitter.

First they came for the ketamine users...
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 17, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1416479776655749121

Why does Neil Coyle want to expel Jewish people from Labour?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 17, 2021, 10:07:21 PM
Because he's drunk?



And also because he's a cunt.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 17, 2021, 10:09:21 PM
Fake news. Like Reds under the bed. Its a madness.

Keith should go pronto. We’re all laughing at you, you fucking plasticine gimp.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 17, 2021, 10:10:16 PM
see someone like Neil Coyle is worse than most Conservative MPs. at least your average safe tory wants nothing to change. this sort of cunt is trying to edge us towards true authoritarianism, because he's a fucking thin-skinned little coward
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 18, 2021, 12:27:24 AM
fucking hell why are there so many of these absolute fucking idiots in the PLP

https://twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1416524159002324996
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 18, 2021, 12:56:41 AM
THIS IS A SONG

ABOUT SHOOTING BLOOD OUT OF YOUR PORES


I

SWEAT

BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD


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Title: Dancing round a fucking bag
Post by: Buelligan on July 18, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZDV4U0e.png)

lmao

With nails like that?  Fuck off Marsan, you slag.  How would we work?  Or do you mean people who say they're working class but get paid ten times our pay, do half our hours or less, have big dinners and big lollidays, spend more than we have in a lifetime on clothes every season and constantly steal our moral clothes, our identity, off our backs, whilst speaking for us?

Jess Phillips is a smug shameless grifting cunt.  End of.

(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F6739f2aa-e3c3-11eb-afdb-c7b01afbcfc5.jpg?crop=4800%2C2700%2C0%2C0&resize=1180)

Eye candy for the new thread
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 18, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
Just has to finish. Wild fires, floods, pandemic, increased poverty, centrist dinner parties.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 18, 2021, 08:57:55 AM
It will definitely do that, pig.  How it finishes, though, that's the thing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 18, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
fucking hell why are there so many of these absolute fucking idiots in the PLP

https://twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1416524159002324996

I definitely had my wallet inspected by her. Thought she was decent and then....
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 18, 2021, 10:06:30 AM
It will definitely do that, pig.  How it finishes, though, that's the thing.

Normally with a good port, perhaps some Mano-a-mano chest puffing and perhaps keys in a bowl.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 18, 2021, 10:45:59 AM
https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1416479776655749121

Why does Neil Coyle want to expel Jewish people from Labour?

Not all Jewish people. Only the wrong sort of Jewish people.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 11:06:48 AM
Labour Is Listening BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO SAY
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on July 18, 2021, 11:17:42 AM
Actually can't wait for Jess Phillips to be leader and finally finish this party of cunts off.

(Sorry to the nice people on here who are still members. Nowt personal.)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 11:42:34 AM
http://greghadfield.com/my-answers-to-the-57-questions-that-the-labour-party-asked-in-the-letter-that-suspended-me%E2%80%8A-%E2%80%8Afor-the-third-time%E2%80%8A-%E2%80%8Aat-8-41pm-on-monday-july-20-2020/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 18, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
Instead of all that time and effort, he should have just replied "fuck off you imbecilic, fascist organisation"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 18, 2021, 02:43:00 PM
Is Ratbiter Nick Cohen? That’s disappointing, as I thought those columns were ok. I think I now understand why Private Eye had such a blind eye to BS AS smears, when they would normally be happy to expose moral panic whipped up by the press.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 18, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
She looks like a seamstress
Like the Labour party, she's a sewer.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 04:12:41 PM
Instead of all that time and effort, he should have just replied "fuck off you imbecilic, fascist organisation"

Definitely not. Beat them at the thing they claim to be best at and expose the double standards by which they operate.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 18, 2021, 04:25:37 PM
I definitely had my wallet inspected by her. Thought she was decent and then....

Same, but she turned out to be the 'traveler incursions' woman and now this.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 18, 2021, 04:29:30 PM
I submitted a complaint about Coyle here: https://labour.org.uk/complaints/making-a-complaint/

Quote
In response to the Daily Mirror tweeting about Kier Starmer's plan to expel Labour Party members, he tweeted the following:
'Not far enough. JVL should be gone too. And other outright Communists who have their own political party/ies they can ruin.'
He has unequivocally called for the expulsion of all members of Jewish Voice for Labour, the most prominent exclusively Jewish group supporting Labour, while incorrectly branding them as Communists.

If you also feel compelled to do, the following information is also useful to complete the form:

He's 42 and is MP for Bermondsey & Old Southwark parliament constituency, 151 Jamaica Rd, London SE16 4SH. His twitter account is https://twitter.com/coyleneil. The offending tweet is at https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1416479776655749121.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 18, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
I submitted a complaint about Coyle here: https://labour.org.uk/complaints/making-a-complaint/

If you also feel compelled to do, the following information is also useful to complete the form:

He's 42 and is MP for Bermondsey & Old Southwark parliament constituency, 151 Jamaica Rd, London SE16 4SH. His twitter account is https://twitter.com/coyleneil. The offending tweet is at https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1416479776655749121.

Perhaps mention his homophobic tweet too...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5XWxz1WEAIncxo.png)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 18, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
Perhaps mention his homophobic tweet too...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5XWxz1WEAIncxo.png)

I did wonder about that but then I thought perhaps it would be better in a separate complaint. Thanks for the screenshot.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 18, 2021, 04:55:00 PM
Complaint now submitted about that too. As well as uploading the screenshot, I provided the following link: https://politwoops.co.uk/p/labour/coyleneil/1411062990800052226.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 18, 2021, 06:31:41 PM
FORTY FUCKING TWO?!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 18, 2021, 06:39:51 PM
Definitely not. Beat them at the thing they claim to be best at and expose the double standards by which they operate.

Yes, but my option is more cathartic.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 18, 2021, 06:47:23 PM
Coyle’s tweet is way more explicit than the one that got RLB the sack, so I presume it will lose him the whip.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 18, 2021, 06:56:45 PM
Coyle’s tweet is way more explicit than the one that got RLB the sack, so I presume it will lose him the whip.

Haha. No.

That would require the party machine to operate in good faith.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 18, 2021, 07:14:06 PM
FORTY FUCKING TWO?!

Drunk man ejected from Douglas Adams’ memorial service caused “extreme distress”, say grieving relatives
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Reg Tits on July 18, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
Diane Abbott when asked what single policy Keir Starmer should adopt says this -

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7lDWgwpOE

Priceless.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 18, 2021, 07:35:54 PM
Diane Abbott when asked what single policy Keir Starmer should adopt says this -

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7lDWgwpOE

Priceless.

Wrong forum Reg.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 18, 2021, 07:48:02 PM
Fucking hell, that's bad though. Is she pissed?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on July 18, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
Abbott does have diabetes so she could be experiencing hypoglycaemia? lay off, poster with nine posts in three years
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: SpiderChrist on July 18, 2021, 08:16:58 PM
Diane Abbott when asked what single policy Keir Starmer should adopt says this -

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7lDWgwpOE

Priceless.

Just read your previous posts, Reg. Oh dear. Another one for the ignore list.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 18, 2021, 08:17:31 PM
Hypoglycaemic and pissed.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 08:28:28 PM
Quote
Former Prime Minister Tony Blair added it would have been reasonable for Mr Johnson not to self-isolate, given he has been vaccinated twice, was previously infected, and is being tested regularly.

Is there anything where he isn't an absolute cancer and a stain, his opinions are dog shit and his very minerals hewn from poison
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 08:29:54 PM
Coyle’s tweet is way more explicit than the one that got RLB the sack, so I presume it will lose him the whip.

Wow the cheerful... Let's call it optimism here leaps off the page.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 18, 2021, 08:40:29 PM
Diane Abbott when asked what single policy Keir Starmer should adopt says this -

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7lDWgwpOE

Priceless.

fucking thick cunt don't you mess again with my youtube recommendations
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on July 18, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
Reg Tits isn't even his real name. That says it all.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 18, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
Abbott does have diabetes so she could be experiencing hypoglycaemia? lay off, poster with nine posts in three years

Ah, good to hear that as a fellow diabetic. It certainly sounds like an extreme hypo event.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 18, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
You see as bad or worse from government ministers every week but yes, apply laser focus on the black female socialist (who has achieved more than you or I ever will many thousands of times over and will undoubtedly go down as one of the most important women of the UK in our lifetimes)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 18, 2021, 09:16:40 PM
is that even real? It does seem a bit rum all I can find is mass sharing of a Vote Leave YouTube video

speaking of made up shit to make people of a particular political bent feel better:

https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1416854056929308673

Hooray!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 18, 2021, 09:36:57 PM
I listened to it more now and it sounds like partly her Zoom is dropping out, but I think the base suggestion of Paul Staines (who seems to have captured it... does Time Radio have a catch up?) that she doesn't say anything for a whole minute is true. but you could say the same of Tory question dodgers.

I often was sceptical of how much Labour put her out. she doesn't have the gift of gab like a Tory cunt. better to flub your figures than repeatedly lie about everything and vote for cruel policies, eh readers
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 18, 2021, 10:38:04 PM
And we wonder why more people called Reg Tits don't post on here.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 18, 2021, 10:42:10 PM
I reckon Reg Tits is Andrew Lawrence. Look at his last post before the one above.

Plus Reg Tits is the sort of clever name he'd come up with.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 18, 2021, 10:54:38 PM
Fuck Off Labour.

Fuck off Simon Price.

Hates socialism and Romo.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 18, 2021, 10:56:02 PM
He’s probably got a bit of time on his hands now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/comedy-news/comedians-manchester-show-cancelled-venue-21041928.amp
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 18, 2021, 10:57:45 PM
lmao what is this

https://twitter.com/KarenPBuckMP/status/1416690899321565184

in case it gets deleted
https://archive.md/R15sY

who is this anyway? someone in a safe central london seat who's done nothing for for the best part of a decade? and now is coming out quoting Ayn Rand
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 18, 2021, 11:18:38 PM
Jewish socialists - purge

Randian superwomen - squee!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Leo2112 on July 19, 2021, 12:04:00 AM
Thread on Labour's next 10 years - https://twitter.com/SteveNickSmith/status/1416763052435906564
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 19, 2021, 12:31:21 AM
what agents are running this? seriously. surely it's not just Mandy et al. the Tory party is guided by its plutocrat donors and thus supported by print media and the BBC. Labour should be guided by its members and unions. but who is pushing it towards the zero-policy strategy? I mean it doesn't need to be a smoke-filled room conspiracy, just colliding interests: I'm just not sure what they are
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on July 19, 2021, 01:59:37 AM
Desolation.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 19, 2021, 07:16:43 AM
Labour has GONE hasn’t it. Infested with vermin to the point of no return.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 19, 2021, 08:53:11 AM
Yes, it's difficult to see how there's any hope for it. I agree with the twitter thread linked above that they have given up on 2024 and are now only interested in witch hunting the left, since it's what the establishment is telling them to do and the only thing place they have achieve any sort of victory. The loss at the high court will just have emboldened them to say that they can now fabricate secret policies by which to judge members in camera. And yes, all failure must be blamed on the left: you noticed the focus group had a younger guy in specifically chosen to talk about how toxic Corbyn was. The whole thing a performace by and for gammons.

The key test will be the next conference. If they manage to gerrymander that, then I'm not sure I've got the stomach to stay.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 19, 2021, 09:21:45 AM
Moving the party to the left through membership and internal reform is still by far the most likely route for success for the left in this country. It is also what our enemy least wants us to do. It is also what most recently worked.

The attempts to remove certain factions is already ugly and will become uglier, but ultimately we will be doing precisely what they want if we leave.

If you allow your own principles to rule you then you'll have the sanctity and comfort of knowing you have a clean conscience, while the country itself which you claim to care about drifts further away from what you want it to look like, all the while having abdicated from the only vaguely realistic struggle to improve it. This isn't a guilt trip, just a pragmatic look at the pluses and minuses.

When some leftwingers with nouse and solid financial backing use technology to render Westminster an obsolete entity I'll be there.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: buttgammon on July 19, 2021, 09:25:15 AM
It's just some kind of self-induced Pasokification at this point, where they're going to fade into obscurity.

I'm reminded of Irish Labour, who were the second biggest party in the Dáil ten years ago and have now been reduced to six seats after participating in a coalition that cut public services to ribbons. Admittedly, it's much harder for that dramatic a decline to happen under FPTP, not least because some people will feel obliged to keep voting Labour as the lesser of two evils, but if they keep incinerating all of the policies and principles they once had, they're heading there. Courting the votes of people who will never vote for your party is not a good strategy.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on July 19, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
So fucking stupid. Looking forward to when the tories inevitably u-turn and offer a 2.2% pay increase. They can then attack Labour for hating nurses. Just great politics once again from the grown ups!

Quote
  | NEW: The government is to give NHS workers a 3% pay rise instead of the 1%

Via @POLITICOEurope

Called it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 19, 2021, 09:42:05 AM
Thread on Labour's next 10 years - https://twitter.com/SteveNickSmith/status/1416763052435906564

This is why it's so important to remain in the party right now. Things will get even worse for the centrists as the younger left-oriented generation take their place.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 19, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
Moving the party to the left through membership and internal reform is still by far the most likely route for success for the left in this country. It is also what our enemy least wants us to do. It is also what most recently worked.

The attempts to remove certain factions is already ugly and will become uglier, but ultimately we will be doing precisely what they want if we leave.

If you allow your own principles to rule you then you'll have the sanctity and comfort of knowing you have a clean conscience, while the country itself which you claim to care about drifts further away from what you want it to look like, all the while having abdicated from the only vaguely realistic struggle to improve it. This isn't a guilt trip, just a pragmatic look at the pluses and minuses.

When some leftwingers with nouse and solid financial backing use technology to render Westminster an obsolete entity I'll be there.

The above is so devoid of detail as to be barely recognisable as a lofty goal. I don't think you'd recognise pragmatism if it were coming round the corner. It's also a boring reiteration of the sort of thing that gets trotted out on every fucking Labour whatsapp organising group I'm still a member of, but with added patronisation.

What is a path to reform, when it's all going in the wrong direction? I'm talking about: 'if a) happens, then b); if not a) then we try c) […].' I accept there is an argument for 'just wait and see', but that's an article of faith, not of strategy. And the value of it as an article of faith seems to devalue by the day. In short, I'm not sure even the pittance they get from me is worth it for the minuscule probabilities of improvement.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 19, 2021, 09:47:36 AM
This is why it's so important to remain in the party right now. Things will get even worse for the centrists as the younger left-oriented generation take their place.

Younger left-oriented people are not going to be attracted to Labour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 19, 2021, 09:50:43 AM
No, and they shouldn't be. Revolution seems more likely to me than the LP getting into power and changing anything meaningful. It would be more sensible to prepare for the former.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 19, 2021, 09:51:17 AM
Younger left-oriented people are not going to be attracted to Labour.

The alternative is to be sidelined.

EDIT: or Pancreas' revolution. The former much more likely, without Labour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 19, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
Unforunately, it will have to be their revolution. The cost of catering for mine would be prohibitive.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 19, 2021, 10:30:26 AM
Very happy to provide vegan bonne bouche and as much ricin as you can eat.  Also a pretty decent shot.  Let me know.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: peanutbutter on July 19, 2021, 11:02:21 AM
Thread on Labour's next 10 years - https://twitter.com/SteveNickSmith/status/1416763052435906564
I think it'd be optimistic to even view it as some kind of masterplan, it's shit people who expected everyone to just adore Starmer and sensible centrist policies, they've realise now they've shat the bed and are just desperately trying to figure out a reframing that lets them still be right without changing anything.

I do have to wonder who on earth on the right or even centre of the party would want to be leader at this point. Much easier to just leave  Starmer repeatedly humiliating himself while you figure out  some bonus roles on the side. It'll just be the remnants of the Blair era taking a turn at wearing the captains band.

Called it.
It's wild how shit they are at this, repeatedly making policies that try to offer some kind of supposed balanced point that the tories can instantly skew by making a minor adjustment.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on July 19, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
Labour now are at the sort of nadir that the tories were under ids, well actually they are worse
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 19, 2021, 11:33:25 AM
The above is so devoid of detail as to be barely recognisable as a lofty goal. I don't think you'd recognise pragmatism if it were coming round the corner. It's also a boring reiteration of the sort of thing that gets trotted out on every fucking Labour whatsapp organising group I'm still a member of, but with added patronisation.

What is a path to reform, when it's all going in the wrong direction? I'm talking about: 'if a) happens, then b); if not a) then we try c) […].' I accept there is an argument for 'just wait and see', but that's an article of faith, not of strategy. And the value of it as an article of faith seems to devalue by the day. In short, I'm not sure even the pittance they get from me is worth it for the minuscule probabilities of improvement.

This isn't really tackling the central logic which is that what you do with your money and time if you are interested in furthering social justice politically (as opposed to charity work etc) has to either already be superior to trying to reform Labour through the membership or be so rapidly advancing as a prospect and a threat to our enemies as to be preferable.

We have neither, which leaves us with the shitty situation we at least still get a vote on, or doing something from near scratch, which doesn't even necessarily require you to leave.

I'm not sure what more detail is required here.

You are emphasising the miniscule prospect of change but we have already witnessed it not long ago in our lifetimes and the fact energy is being poured into preventing it happening again is already tacit acknowledgement by the right wing that they remain vulnerable. The only way they remain vulnerable is if people like us continue to refuse to leave. Do what they least want you to do.

 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 19, 2021, 11:50:10 AM
If you feel like that, why not join any extant party (whether you agree with them or not), provided they have a reasonably democratic method of running things?  Just buy a stake in any shitty crock of grifters that look like they could get elected.  Heal it with your vote.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 19, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
If you feel like that, why not join any extant party (whether you agree with them or not), provided they have a reasonably democratic method of running things?

What other option than the party in opposition is a more viable investment?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on July 19, 2021, 12:55:01 PM
Whilst there remains/remained even the remote possibility of reforming Labour from within I'd agree there is/was some merit to S&S and Nosleep's takes - however I think the overwhelming evidence is that we are rapidly approaching or have already passed the point of that no longer being the case, to taste depending on optimism. We've seen that these people won't let rules or regulations stand in the way - they will simply retroactviely change them. And there is nothing I can see now that will stop them continue doing that to lock the left out of any input into the party forever (with full support of the entire levers of power of the establishment). We need to start thinking of a plan B and soon. What the hell that is is anyone's guess, but sadly it's the only option that will soon be left to us.

For those of you convinced some chance of a fightback remains inside the party, I'd like you to explain the route to doing so. As it's definitely the preferable option if it has a non-zero chance of success. But I can't see it, thanks to the gullible fuckwits that voted for Starmer and the cretins who allowed the NEC by election left vote to be split at the same time. I think that double whammy enabled by an array of useful idiots was it sadly - if the left had held on to the NEC then there might have been a chance.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 19, 2021, 01:12:57 PM
This is why it's so important to remain in the party right now. Things will get even worse for the centrists as the younger left-oriented generation take their place.

And that would make things different... How?

It's not just that Labour are an absolute joke of a party, it's that the left if the Labour Party are a bunch of incompetent headless chickens who are just passively getting removed from the party. As weak as the leadership have been, the left have been absolutely incapable of either articulating an alternative or organising any kind of resistance.
Title: Inspection introspection
Post by: Buelligan on July 19, 2021, 01:45:25 PM
The Left is not a joke, fellow.  I'm not fucking laughing.  The Left stood and nearly won in 2017 - without the ROW pile-on, including and starring those on the right of the Labour Party, Murdoch, the whole MSM, fuck me, any dull cunt who they could energise, we would have won.  That loss, won with lies, is not a fucking joke.  Not on your nelly, old chum.  And repeating that empty catechism helps what?  There was resistance, that's why they're purging.

What other option than the party in opposition is a more viable investment?

That's the horror of it, that's the bet that utter cunts like Mandelson have been profiting on for years.  And countless people have suffered, died even, because of it.

Personally, the idea of ones political philosophy being commodified is anathema to my political philosophy, so what I laid out there, as I'm sure you know, disgusts me.  But I feel like that's what Shoulders is saying - buy yourself a voice, even if it means paying the mafia because we can't get rid of them any other way.  I feel like we've been round this one more than once already.  But, even if we hadn't, if we're going to just say the smart ones buy a vote, why limit our purchase to Labour?  Why not put our money where the biggest chance of power is?

It's moot anyway, my wallet is now closed to viewers.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 19, 2021, 02:13:36 PM
The last year and a half should make it clear that the existence of any part of the Anglo-British state is incompatible with serious improvement, let alone UK Labour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on July 19, 2021, 02:26:04 PM
The last year and a half should make it clear that the existence of any part of the Anglo-British state is incompatible with serious improvement, let alone UK Labour.

I don't think you can make quite so sweeping an assertion. And I'm definitely unconvinced that an Anglo-British state on the precipice of splintering and an anaemic neo-liberalism on its last legs are quite the hegemonic opposition to transformation that your pessimism would suggest.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 19, 2021, 02:34:35 PM
There is no hint of splintering. Minor outlying regions leaving the UK will support it to more firmly entrench its identity.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 19, 2021, 03:09:25 PM
Momentum statement (can't find on their website, came by email):

Quote from: Dangerous people
At a time when the Tory Government is allowing the pandemic to rip through the country, the Labour leadership has once again turned inwards, creating a vacuum where real opposition is needed and distracting from the task of delivering a Labour Government. The auto-expulsion of members that share this ambition and our Party’s values only strengthens the Tories.

We oppose guilt by association. The Labour Party has always been home to a wide range of political traditions and we have a responsibility to work with each other to build support for socialist ideas and policies.

Labour should be the home of all those that do this vital work and are committed to a Labour Government. We must collaborate with each other in the spirit of tolerance and respect, and with the values of socialism and anti-racism. When members fall short of these standards they should be held to account through the Party’s disciplinary processes. When members meet these standards, they should not expect to face automatic expulsion.

We have a responsibility to make sure our Party is an anti-racist party and this includes acknowledging that Labour, at all levels, often fails to be so. The burying of the Forde report and the deafening silence from the leadership on anti-Muslim prejudice in Labour indicate deep problems at the top of the Party when it comes to tackling racism, and throws serious doubt on claims that these proscriptions are being done in the name of anti-racism.

There are now some in the media and the Party openly arguing for the proscription of Momentum, and over the coming months we expect the anonymous briefings calling for this to increase. It has long been a belief of some on the right of Labour that the way to win favour with the media establishment is to try to smash the Left.

This is a cynical and desperate politics that offers nothing to the millions of working class people let down by our political system and left behind by our economy. It will also alienate the members we need to win an election. This is a route to failure and will destroy our Party.

We will not sit quietly as a small and detached clique attempts to drive Momentum and the broader Left out of a party that we have helped to rejuvenate. The many crises of the 21st century - from COVID-19 to climate change - demand a socialist response and we will not shrink from campaigning for it, inside Labour and in the country.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 19, 2021, 03:13:57 PM
Barring a revolution or a coup, The Tories are going to be in power for the next two decades.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 19, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
Perhaps we should all join the Tory party and try and steer them towards socialism
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 19, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
Exactly.  Let the market decide.

Momentum statement (can't find on their website, came by email):
Quote from: Dangerous People
At a time when the Tory Government is allowing the pandemic to rip through the country, the Labour leadership has once again turned inwards, creating a vacuum where real opposition is needed and distracting from the task of delivering a Labour Government. The auto-expulsion of members that share this ambition and our Party’s values only strengthens the Tories.

We oppose guilt by association. The Labour Party has always been home to a wide range of political traditions and we have a responsibility to work with each other to build support for socialist ideas and policies.

Labour should be the home of all those that do this vital work and are committed to a Labour Government. We must collaborate with each other in the spirit of tolerance and respect, and with the values of socialism and anti-racism. When members fall short of these standards they should be held to account through the Party’s disciplinary processes. When members meet these standards, they should not expect to face automatic expulsion.

We have a responsibility to make sure our Party is an anti-racist party and this includes acknowledging that Labour, at all levels, often fails to be so. The burying of the Forde report and the deafening silence from the leadership on anti-Muslim prejudice in Labour indicate deep problems at the top of the Party when it comes to tackling racism, and throws serious doubt on claims that these proscriptions are being done in the name of anti-racism.

There are now some in the media and the Party openly arguing for the proscription of Momentum, and over the coming months we expect the anonymous briefings calling for this to increase. It has long been a belief of some on the right of Labour that the way to win favour with the media establishment is to try to smash the Left.

This is a cynical and desperate politics that offers nothing to the millions of working class people let down by our political system and left behind by our economy. It will also alienate the members we need to win an election. This is a route to failure and will destroy our Party.

We will not sit quietly as a small and detached clique attempts to drive Momentum and the broader Left out of a party that we have helped to rejuvenate. The many crises of the 21st century - from COVID-19 to climate change - demand a socialist response and we will not shrink from campaigning for it, inside Labour and in the country.


They needed to come out unequivocally when we still had a piece of the True Cross.  Everyone knows what's being done, it's been being done for months and months and months in the Regions, in the CLPs, in smug little zoom chats, across the country.  No one's listening now.  Well, not enough to do owt anyway.

I don't even think they believe they're killing the Left to appease the Establishment.  I think they're doing it because they are the Establishment and they can.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 19, 2021, 04:03:47 PM
Tory party membership is access to a hobnobbing club innit? The party itself is quite undemocratic, although to be fair to them it seems to be working out for them.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 19, 2021, 04:09:56 PM
Perhaps we should all join the Tory party and try and steer them towards socialism

Your sarcasm just makes you look ignorant.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 19, 2021, 04:12:45 PM
Ah, go on.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kelvin on July 19, 2021, 04:31:27 PM
Barring a revolution or a coup, The Tories are going to be in power for the next two decades.

There will be no coup or revolution. Despite what the most naïve left-wingers say, that remains the least likely option by far. Literally nothing is less likely to be successful than that.

The reality, sadly, is decades of Tory rule, unless - ironically - the right divides itself on another huge issue like Brexit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 19, 2021, 04:33:35 PM
I know it's a joke, but yes the whole point of the Labour Party is it's supposed to be much more run by its membership (and the trade unions), which is why it was so fucking disgusting the PLP were so dead against the leader that the membership voted for TWICE
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 19, 2021, 04:34:14 PM
There will be no coup or revolution. Despite what the most naïve left-wingers say, that remains the least likely option by far. Literally nothing is less likely to be successful than that.

not with that fucking attitude
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 19, 2021, 04:38:19 PM
Your sarcasm just makes you look ignorant.

Leave off Johnny, I'm not ignorant I'm fucked off.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on July 19, 2021, 04:47:31 PM
I’m waiting to get some details of a plan to fight back against the destruction of any remaining vestiges of the slightly left wing party Labour once was. I’m all ears.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 19, 2021, 04:50:26 PM
Leave off Johnny, I'm not ignorant I'm fucked off.

Well, you're either ignorant or insensitive towards the lefties who are still in the Party trying to prevent the right from changing the rules to stop a lefty from ever being elected leader again. We're fucked off too and the kind of sniping you're indulging in is not helping.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 19, 2021, 04:50:53 PM
I’m all ears.

You're all bluster.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 19, 2021, 04:56:08 PM
It's not just that Labour are an absolute joke of a party, it's that the left if the Labour Party are a bunch of incompetent headless chickens who are just passively getting removed from the party. As weak as the leadership have been, the left have been absolutely incapable of either articulating an alternative or organising any kind of resistance.

The left is often very well organised. It's just that there are so few levers that we have to pull and they don't always work.

For example, this:

https://www.fightingfund.org/defend_labour_members

a huge effort funding a serious legal challenge to the appalling way in which the disciplinary process was followed. (e.g. using a secret code of antisemitism that the members weren't allowed to see). But it failed. So now the leadership is emboldened to make up any code of conduct by which to expel people. Hence the announcement of the purges. (Is my guess at how this has arisen.)

What I will not defend is the pathetic whimpers of the 'Socialist Campaign Group', with McDonnell, Lavery etc. in it. What it seems to reveal is the tiny number of genuine socialists in the PLP and the ones that are there are too craven to do anything about it. (Charlotte Nichols is in the SCG, for example.) These people should clearly recognise that there is no positive change possible with the current lot in charge, to the point that it simply cannot do any harm to call for his resignation. The party is being destroyed anyway, so at least go down shouting.

Diane Abbott has it right, but there are simply not enough like her. McDonnell's appeasement has not helped.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 19, 2021, 04:57:36 PM
You're all bluster.

I think you'd feel happier if you gave up on unfounded hope. Gambler's ruin.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 19, 2021, 05:01:52 PM
I think you'd feel happier if you gave up on unfounded hope. Gambler's ruin.

No, it's important to make sure the rules don't get changed to shut out the left.

https://iea.org.uk/media/67-per-cent-of-young-brits-want-a-socialist-economic-system-finds-new-poll/

And that's an IEA poll.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 19, 2021, 05:11:52 PM
Again:

'Young Brits' aren't going to see The Labour Party as a vehicle for those hopes. They've been used, abused and discarded and it's going to intensify. The only future for them is to organise outside the party or give up hope.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 19, 2021, 05:13:25 PM
Or the Tories could find a way to bribe them into propping up the free market for another few years as Thatcher did in the 1980s. From their point of view, it's that or fascism.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 19, 2021, 05:16:40 PM
Hello Chuckles!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 19, 2021, 05:17:03 PM
Yeah, cute. The youth vote is going to go the way of the Scottish vote. Let's keep flogging this dead horse shall we?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kelvin on July 19, 2021, 05:26:25 PM
As I've said many times, I do think there's hope for the left. But it's not to be found in conventional political parties. The left (and in particular our leadership, who should be held more accountable by us imo) need to ask in what areas we have had most influence, seen most change, won most hearts and minds, and then pour our time and resources into those avenues, rather than deluding ourselves about winning with new parties, or corrupt parties, or revolutions, or anything which has no realistic chance of happening in the UK. Real, impactful, reinvigorating opportunities exist for the left, but we're too focussed on electoral power to embrace the alternatives.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: AllisonSays on July 19, 2021, 06:54:14 PM
My impression is that what people mean when they say revolution is not dissimilar to what you're describing there, as in the circumventing of the electoral system through nonelectoral organising. It doesn't need to mean storming the Winter Palace or occupying the GPO or whatever.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 19, 2021, 07:05:39 PM
As I've said many times, I do think there's hope for the left. But it's not to be found in conventional political parties. The left (and in particular our leadership, who should be held more accountable by us imo) need to ask in what areas we have had most influence, seen most change, won most hearts and minds, and then pour our time and resources into those avenues, rather than deluding ourselves about winning with new parties, or corrupt parties, or revolutions, or anything which has no realistic chance of happening in the UK. Real, impactful, reinvigorating opportunities exist for the left, but we're too focussed on electoral power to embrace the alternatives.

Okay, but this sort of sounds like, there’s definitely hope for my kettle, but not necessarily in the area of boiling water
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kelvin on July 19, 2021, 07:28:58 PM
Okay, but this sort of sounds like, there’s definitely hope for my kettle, but not necessarily in the area of boiling water

heh, not really. I'm saying there are other ways to influence society, change perspectives, make changes besides being in power for a handful of years. Obviously we can't achieve a lot of stuff without being in power, but that's ultimately a dead end for the next decade anyway, so why waste our time and energy on that when we could be continuing to shape the discourse in other ways that may even pay off politically down the line.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 19, 2021, 09:15:26 PM
Yes, it's difficult to see how there's any hope for it. I agree with the twitter thread linked above that they have given up on 2024 and are now only interested in witch hunting the left, since it's what the establishment is telling them to do and the only thing place they have achieve any sort of victory. The loss at the high court will just have emboldened them to say that they can now fabricate secret policies by which to judge members in camera. And yes, all failure must be blamed on the left: you noticed the focus group had a younger guy in specifically chosen to talk about how toxic Corbyn was. The whole thing a performace by and for gammons.

The key test will be the next conference. If they manage to gerrymander that, then I'm not sure I've got the stomach to stay.

I think calling them 'gammons' is doing them a favour.. Gammons are angry puce coloured men, but impotent both physically and metaphorically. The 'people' are far far worse. Gammons are kindly uncles in comparison.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 19, 2021, 09:28:49 PM
Again:

'Young Brits' aren't going to see The Labour Party as a vehicle for those hopes. They've been used, abused and discarded and it's going to intensify. The only future for them is to organise outside the party or give up hope.

Or OPEN THE NIGHTCLUBS, like Mike Walker prayed for.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 01:44:15 AM
Or OPEN THE NIGHTCLUBS, like Mike Walker prayed for.

Guff.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 07:23:19 AM
Guff.

Birds of a 🪶

Do you agree with his opinion on nightclubs? Do you?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 20, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
Did he really say that or is this a pigxaggeration?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on July 20, 2021, 09:21:54 AM
Of course there are other ways to influence society/perspectives etc. But there's no reason why that can't be done in addition to trying our utmost to get the Labour party back to being a vehicle for change whenever possible. 99% of the things we want policy wise will only come from electoral success. Neither one of these things are a waste of time. Writing off Labour entirely because of a shit leader who already looks doomed is just silly. We had Corbyn not very long ago.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 09:51:29 AM
This fixing Labour thing.  Imagine a beautiful wrecked old house or car comes into your sphere somehow.  You can see how, with some work, hard work, it could go again, be something outstanding, so you give it your money, your time, you dream about it, maybe get a little obsessed, because you can see, if it could be fixed, what a huge, enormous, difference that would make.

You go on an on, all your free moments, dedicated, for years.  But you get to a point where you discover something so rotten, there's just no fixing it.  Not with the money and time you have.  It cannot be done.  So what do you do?  Continue, knowing that?

Surely, if you believe in the dream, if you really really want it, you have to look for another way.  You don't give up but you stop wasting your time and energy, save it for something that can work.  You sure as shit don't try to get anyone else on board.

The Labour Party was started by people with a dream of how things could be better.  They didn't start it for itself, just to have a big fat useless cunt of a party.  It was for what it could do for all of us.  We should keep that in mind, honour it, our allegiance is not to the Party, it's to the goal.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 20, 2021, 10:05:39 AM
When I replaced the power steering lines on my Saab it repayed me by needing a break rebuild for its MOT at great expense and then the steering rack lost teeth a week later.

Some things need scrapping.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 20, 2021, 10:11:16 AM
This fixing Labour thing.  Imagine a beautiful wrecked old house or car comes into your sphere somehow.  You can see how, with some work, hard work, it could go again, be something outstanding, so you give it your money, your time, you dream about it, maybe get a little obsessed, because you can see, if it could be fixed, what a huge, enormous, difference that would make.

You go on an on, all your free moments, dedicated, for years.  But you get to a point where you discover something so rotten, there's just no fixing it.  Not with the money and time you have.  It cannot be done.  So what do you do?  Continue, knowing that?

Surely, if you believe in the dream, if you really really want it, you have to look for another way.  You don't give up but you stop wasting your time and energy, save it for something that can work.  You sure as shit don't try to get anyone else on board.

The Labour Party was started by people with a dream of how things could be better.  They didn't start it for itself, just to have a big fat useless cunt of a party.  It was for what it could do for all of us.  We should keep that in mind, honour it, our allegiance is not to the Party, it's to the goal.

Yeah, now imagine that some cunts who are squatting in it are setting the bits you built on fire and blaming it on you, and when you petition to get them removed, the magistrate rules that it's your fault.

You want the Labour Party to work, how about getting a toolbox, coming to the UK and rolling your fucking sleeves up?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 10:16:32 AM
This fixing Labour thing.  Imagine a beautiful wrecked old house or car comes into your sphere somehow.  You can see how, with some work, hard work, it could go again, be something outstanding, so you give it your money, your time, you dream about it, maybe get a little obsessed, because you can see, if it could be fixed, what a huge, enormous, difference that would make.

You go on an on, all your free moments, dedicated, for years.  But you get to a point where you discover something so rotten, there's just no fixing it.  Not with the money and time you have.  It cannot be done.  So what do you do?  Continue, knowing that?

Surely, if you believe in the dream, if you really really want it, you have to look for another way.  You don't give up but you stop wasting your time and energy, save it for something that can work.  You sure as shit don't try to get anyone else on board.

The Labour Party was started by people with a dream of how things could be better.  They didn't start it for itself, just to have a big fat useless cunt of a party.  It was for what it could do for all of us.  We should keep that in mind, honour it, our allegiance is not to the Party, it's to the goal.

Yeah, why did Corbyn bother? Silly old duffer.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 20, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
Yeah, now imagine that some cunts who are squatting in it are setting the bits you built on fire and blaming it on you, and when you petition to get them removed, the magistrate rules that it's your fault.

You want the Labour Party to work, how about getting a toolbox, coming to the UK and rolling your fucking sleeves up?

Yea come and fix the labour party dickhead
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 10:18:39 AM
Did he really say that or is this a pigxaggeration?

Of course it's pigxaggeration. He's a government man now.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 20, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
Laying off a load of staff which was leaked this morning so David Evans is having a sulk about the leak:
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1417394772659036160
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 10:28:39 AM
Laughed at 'Beating will cease when morale improves'
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 10:38:39 AM
Yeah, now imagine that some cunts who are squatting in it are setting the bits you built on fire and blaming it on you, and when you petition to get them removed, the magistrate rules that it's your fault.

You want the Labour Party to work, how about getting a toolbox, coming to the UK and rolling your fucking sleeves up?

How is getting in my rowing boat and scaling the side of that unsinkable liner going to help with deckchair rearrangment?  I see an iceberg, I see a hole, I know drowning is not the answer.

Yeah, why did Corbyn bother? Silly old duffer.

He bothered because he could.  He bothered because there was a chance.  He bothered because there has to be a John the Baptist for every Jesus.  He's shown us where the rot lies, now it's up to us to use our wits and find the way for ourselves.  Not insist on marching bravely forwards into the abyss.  The time for that has passed.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 10:43:13 AM
He bothered because he could.  He bothered because there was a chance.  He bothered because there has to be a John the Baptist for every Jesus.  He's shown us where the rot lies, now it's up to us to use our wits and find the way for ourselves. 

You're showing your lack of knowledge of Labour Party history, I'm afraid. It's always been this bad. You're wetting the bed because you personally figured it out. It's a good job we have people like Corbyn who aren't as soppy and self-regarding as you.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 10:44:49 AM
Johnny, you have no idea who I am or what I know, attacking me for my lack of knowledge of Labour history does you no credit, nor does it advance your point one whit.

EtA - All the people who've burnt their cards should just buck up and not be soppy, like the lad we followed when others, some here, were trying to butter their bread on both sides with the AS smears?  The time for standing firm and invoking his name was then, not now when he's not even allowed to stand as an MP.  A party that's too ashamed and too cowed to stand with him and now uses his name to shame those that are sick to the back teeth with it?  Listen to yourself.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 10:47:04 AM
A bedwetter who offers nothing but dippy hippy platitudes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 10:49:32 AM
In case you missed my late addition.  Do not try to provoke an ad hom fight with me.

EtA - All the people who've burnt their cards should just buck up and not be soppy, like the lad we followed when others, some here, were trying to butter their bread on both sides with the AS smears?  The time for standing firm and invoking his name was then, not now when he's not even allowed to stand as an MP.  A party that's too ashamed and too cowed to stand with him and now uses his name to shame those that are sick to the back teeth with it?  Listen to yourself.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 20, 2021, 11:35:50 AM
I expect the redundancies are the fault of people like me who won't pay the affiliated part of their union subs, not those that forced us to make that decision.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 20, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
I respect the people who choose to stay and fight but they do come over a bit holier-than-thou.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 20, 2021, 11:58:55 AM
Ah so market forces are deciding the fate of the Labour Party insiders, excellent
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 20, 2021, 12:02:16 PM
Laying off a load of staff which was leaked this morning so David Evans is having a sulk about the leak:
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1417394772659036160

Quote
NEW: In meeting with Labour staff, I’m told David Evans has said the party’s poor financial state is due to lost members and dealing with antisemitism cases. Reserves now down to one month’s payroll. Voluntary severance offered to all NEC-funded staff.

Offer is three weeks of pay for every year served.

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1417421173848264713

Not sure people will need to stay and fight for much longer if their finances are that dire.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fabian Thomsett on July 20, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Laying off a load of staff which was leaked this morning so David Evans is having a sulk about the leak:
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1417394772659036160

Lol why even bother staying and fighting? Labour are dead.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fabian Thomsett on July 20, 2021, 12:07:02 PM
Stay and fight for who turns the lights off on the way out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 20, 2021, 12:07:13 PM
Evans doing his job well then - the destruction of the Labour Party being his job.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 12:09:14 PM
how it started (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain)
The party’s finances in 2018

how it’s going (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/19/labour-could-cut-up-to-a-quarter-of-its-staff-in-cost-saving-push)
The party’s finances in 2021 after the members left

Word on the street - the party has about a month’s worth of salaries available. If any financing stops for 4 weeks, they’re toast. Thank god for all these adults in the room (who are paid by the taxpayer, not the party so won’t be personally affected by any of this).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 20, 2021, 12:09:21 PM
Stay and fight for who turns the lights off on the way out.

grab what copper you can
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Old Nehamkin on July 20, 2021, 12:10:29 PM
LABOUR GONNA BE CHOPS
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on July 20, 2021, 12:14:38 PM
Well if their current finances are really that bad then getting as many members to leave as possible now could really help end the current lot at the top. Would keith be forced out if there is , say, another 100 redundancies on top of the proposed 90?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 20, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
*hoedown bassline*

ohhhhhh
the beatings will continue, until morale improves
the beatings will continue, until morale improves
the beatings will continue, until morale improves
and the beatings will continue, until morale improves!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 20, 2021, 12:16:16 PM
Starmer could completely bankrupt labour and briefcase labour would still argue it was the right thing to do because they're fucking delusional.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on July 20, 2021, 12:19:54 PM
Everyone should leave the party as members, let this lot destroy themselves
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 20, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Toss a coin to Ken Starmer, oh centrists of plenty.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 20, 2021, 12:26:11 PM
The "hard-left" are to blame. We should have kept paying them to abuse us before they chucked us out at a time of their own choosing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 12:29:43 PM
New Labour, New Labour whoaaaaa
We're gonna kill this pretty thing
Title: Grave stones
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 12:33:22 PM
Starmer could completely bankrupt labour and briefcase labour would still argue it was the right thing to do because they're fucking delusional.

As is by magic-

Quote from: lee harpin@lmharpin
Labour NEC will be told of plan to ensure around 500  ex-members who have already resigned from party - launching often antisemitic attacks on Starmer with claims about Zionism etc  - will NOT be allowed to rejoin in future. Their names will have a black mark put against them.

Maybe they could commission some big stone monuments and have those names, along with the black marks against them, engraved for posterity.  Even after the Labour Party has retreated into the mists of time, joining the Whigs, Change UK (Tinge), the BNP, those stones will remain.  No one knows who they were or what they were doing but their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock...

https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1417431052747001864
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: EOLAN on July 20, 2021, 01:15:16 PM
What about the (some high-up) members who were coming out with plenty of documented Islamaphobic pronouncements particularly around the Batley and Spen election.
Well I am sure Starmer believes he is making the changes that need changing and those are the changes that he is making.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 01:16:10 PM
"claims about Zionism etc" is enough to be expelled now, is it?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 20, 2021, 01:25:41 PM
"claims about Zionism etc" is enough to be expelled now, is it?

Does this include people who "Claim" that Zionism is great? If it does, well that'd be great.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
AAV's take on Labour's finances:

Quote
In the space of just over a year Keir Starmer has driven the Labour Party to the brink of bankruptcy.

Starmer's NEC henchman David Evans has admitted that party is now in such a dire financial state that cash reserves are now down to just one month’s payroll.

Treating hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members like unwanted vermin so they abandoned the party and cancelled their membership fees doesn't appear to be the galaxy-brained 9D political chess move that the Labour right seemed to imagine it was.

Presumably their aim was to drive away hundreds of thousands of fee-paying members and replace their financial contributions with huge donations from mega-rich influence-buyers.

But this has clearly fallen through, because no multi-millionaire in their right mind is going to squander £millions bankrolling a feeble and inept opposition, with no policies; no ability to influence political discourse; with an unlikeable empty suit of a leader; which keeps stumbling from one humiliating electoral loss to another; with a double digit poll deficit behind the most corrupt, malicious, and incompetent government in living memory.

No sensible influence-buyer is going to waste their time buying influence over a political party that's in the midst of a catastrophic self-inflicted death spiral are they?

The consequence of this utter stupidity is that the party are now looking to slash their paid workforce by 90, which amounts to almost a third of their total staff!

So now not only have they created an immense deficit in volunteers and unpaid activists (one of Labour's few serious advantages over the billionaire-backed Tories), they're also going to be trying to fill the yawning chasms they've created for themselves with a dramatically reduced workforce.

One of the worst aspects about this whole debacle, aside from the total avoidability of it, is the way it contrasts so sharply with Starmer's flaccid and unconvincing efforts to rebrand Labour as 'the party of business'.

Anyone with any kind of business experience whatever surely knows that it's grossly incompetent to turn off one revenue stream without first ensuring it's been adequately replaced.

What Starmer's done would be considered gross financial mismanagement if he was running a small business, and yet he wants to portray himself as some kind of winner to people who actually know how to run businesses themselves!

But it's highly unlikely Starmer will be held to account over his hopeless mismanagement of what was until recently the largest political party in Europe, just like the free ride he got over all the humiliating electoral losses he delivered earlier this year.

We know from the Labour Leaks documents that the Labour Party bureaucracy is stuffed full of people who utterly detest ordinary party members and activists, and this sneering contempt for ordinary people is even more prevalent amongst the party's elected officials.

These horrific people are so giddy with delight that Starmer is waging ruinous internal war on the party's own members - who they despise infinitely more than they do the Tories - that they're quite happy for the party to lose elections, and even potentially lose their own jobs as a result of it!

Of course lots of good people will lose their jobs too in the downwards spiral that Starmer has engineered for the party, but unfortunately it's always the case that good people end up suffering a lot of the terrible consequences when inept charlatans are elevated to positions that are clearly way beyond their abilities. Especially when there appears to be nobody within the organisation with sense enough to see how badly things are going, and demand a change of direction before it's too late.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 01:51:38 PM
One thought is that Labour are now even more likely to sell out to a rich investor whose only interest is to disarm them completely.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 20, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELnpHXdXUAAc_fX.png)
Title: Jess Phillips, grinning like a cunt
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
One thought is that Labour are now even more likely to sell out to a rich investor whose only interest is to disarm them completely.

Why would anyone bother to pay money for that?  Evans, Starmer, the whole useless lot of pointless freeloading finger-pointers are all lined up behind Mandy and doing it gratis.
Title: Re: Jess Phillips, grinning like a cunt
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 02:08:21 PM
Why would anyone bother to pay money for that?  Evans, Starmer, the whole useless lot of pointless freeloading finger-pointers are all lined up behind Mandy and doing it gratis.

Kind of missing the entire point. The weaker the party gets the more pliant it is. Not a waste at all. It wasn't a waste turning Labour into New Labour for its big money right wing backers even though Blair would have done it anyway.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
Yeah, but this is now.  Labour are already finished.  Starmer is not Blair.  The communities that built Blair's reliable nowhere else to go solidarity are destroyed.  Everyone has seen behind the curtain.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 02:13:49 PM
I respect the people who choose to stay and fight but they do come over a bit holier-than-thou.

Bollocks. If simply explaining that leaving the party voluntarily is giving the so-called 'centrists' what they want is your idea of 'holier-than-thou', then you clearly haven't met any so-called 'centrists'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 02:14:31 PM
One thought is that Labour are now even more likely to sell out to a rich investor whose only interest is to disarm them completely.

That is a correct thought.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
Yeah, but this is now.  Labour are already finished.  Starmer is not Blair.  Everyone has seen behind the curtain.

You are forgetting that financially backing the opposition is also a power play influencing the government. As rich people want to influence the government and have as much power and influence as possible, the logic I have already stated will apply, this too will apply.

The project is to have two parties of capital gatekeeping all forms of alternate thought, in essence, to turn Labour into the UK's version of the Democrats while closing the door on ordinary people behind them. The current efforts look like they are to do with destroying Labour as a social movement completely (as you see it) because that's entirely in keeping with the project.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 02:17:09 PM
OK, there could be some people like Trevor Chinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Chinn) interested in getting out their checkbooks.  Except he already did.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on July 20, 2021, 02:18:10 PM
I agreed not so long ago, Johnny Y, but there is very little left available to fight for now. The evidence is overwhelming now that the current PLP and much of the wider party apparatus, including the vast majority of councillors, are by far the biggest and most entrenched obstacle to anything decent happening in this country and its becoming increasingly clear the only way we are going to get rid of them is if they effectively self-deselect through the total collapse of the current labour party. As I said before, if you can give me a practical route to turning this around then I really am fully open to being persuaded. I'm still technically a member, though I cancelled my D/D a while back. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 02:21:19 PM
Any large business that was going to buy influence make large donations wouldn’t bother with the Labour Party any more than they’d bother funding UKIP. Why pay for influence with people who are entirely non-influential?

The mega-donors would need to be fervent believers in the project like Mr Wetherspoons but Keith’s labour don’t have anything to be a fervent believer in[1].

The frustrating thing for me is that mandelson and starmer will walk away from the wreckage and shrug and say “well, we tried but even we couldn’t fix it” and receive very large after-dinner cheques from merchant banks to say it. Meanwhile organized labour in the UK will be finished for a generation. Life is just not fair.
 1. unless you are a zealot for issuing covid recovery bonds
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
I think Zoyz has the rights of it.  Crobbo was too decent to kill these fucks, now we have to let them kill themselves by destroying their own funding and/or losing their seats. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 02:22:50 PM
Also - odds on starmer getting a peerage in the next 5 years? I’d stake the house on it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 20, 2021, 02:24:40 PM
Any large business that was going to buy influence make large donations wouldn’t bother with the Labour Party any more than they’d bother funding UKIP. Why pay for influence with people who are entirely non-influential?

yeah it really does sound like one of the least probable things that can happen
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
You are forgetting that financially backing the opposition is also a power play influencing the government. As rich people want to influence the government and have as much power and influence as possible, the logic I have already stated will apply, this too will apply.

The project is to have two parties of capital gatekeeping all forms of alternate thought, in essence, to turn Labour into the UK's version of the Democrats while closing the door on ordinary people behind them. The current efforts look like they are to do with destroying Labour as a social movement completely (as you see it) because that's entirely in keeping with the project.

Yeah but the democrats are largely competitive federally, and doubly so at the more local level where people actually are (NY/CA).

Labour has the red wall where they are (at best) just about able to hang on, and at worst they are steamrollered. As a reliable powerbase, that’s just nothing-tier.

I said it at the time, but brexit has been an extinction level event for labour because it split an uneasy coalition wide open. The current cretins at the controls are just speeding up the process. It’s a kindness really.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 02:38:42 PM
Labour has the red wall where they are (at best) just about able to hang on, and at worst they are steamrollered. As a reliable powerbase, that’s just nothing-tier.

To expand on that[1] you can’t say to a lobbyist “yes we’re out of power now, but we will make gains in marginal constituencies and with our base of support in [area] we are a possible majority government by 2024, and a donation now could help you in the future” because the lobbyist can look at polling (and results) and see that if your core voters aren’t interested in supporting you, then this is the high point and things are about to get a whole lot worse.

Nobody wants to buy before a huge dip, and that’s what is coming next election. Now give us a million quid. Not much of a sales pitch.
 1. reading it back my ultimate point isn’t clear
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 02:39:02 PM
Also - odds on starmer getting a peerage in the next 5 years? I’d stake the house on it.

TBH, I really don't care about that, I mean there are people like dog-lover Ian Austin in that bag, you might as well work to have rapist branded on your forehead for all the kudos it confers.   Starmer's membership of the Trilateral Commission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission#Membership), his work as DPP (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-20986125) and the interesting silence over his unadvertised appointment as Human Rights Advisor to the Northern Ireland Policing Board, a body not famed for its pristine escutcheon in that area, his elevation to knighthood, all point towards a person I would not hold in any regard whatsoever, a person I would avoid if at all possible, whether he was also called Baron or some antediluvian shit or not.  I do not think I am alone in that sentiment.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 02:43:13 PM
Yeah but the democrats are largely competitive federally, and doubly so at the more local level where people actually are (NY/CA).

Labour has the red wall where they are (at best) just about able to hang on, and at worst they are steamrollered. As a reliable powerbase, that’s just nothing-tier.

I said it at the time, but brexit has been an extinction level event for labour because it split an uneasy coalition wide open. The current cretins at the controls are just speeding up the process. It’s a kindness really.

This is not looking at it in a long term perspective. Capital requires the pretence of democracy to continue in a Western nation, to manufacture consent, and that can only be sustainable if there is a pliant notional alternative.

I'm already aware Labour is total dogshit right now but you are expecting that will remain the same and not analysing where the powerful want to take them (and the dirty work they want Keith and co to do first before they can be trusted with any money).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
It doesn’t confer any respect from me either (I don’t think it does from anyone really), but it does reconfirm his usefulness to (and membership of) the establishment. The plum salary and pension is his pat on the head for neutering a left wing party.

I didn’t know he was a member of the trilateral commission but it doesn’t surprise me.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 02:47:03 PM
Yeah, I know you don't.  You're no idiot Ferris.

To expand on that[1] you can’t say to a lobbyist “yes we’re out of power now, but we will make gains in marginal constituencies and with our base of support in [area] we are a possible majority government by 2024, and a donation now could help you in the future” because the lobbyist can look at polling (and results) and see that if your core voters aren’t interested in supporting you, then this is the high point and things are about to get a whole lot worse.

Nobody wants to buy before a huge dip, and that’s what is coming next election. Now give us a million quid. Not much of a sales pitch.
 1. reading it back my ultimate point isn’t clear

And also, you can fund something as much as you like but you only have one vote.  The points of funding are - to encourage more people to the flag[2] and harvest their votes OR to discourage people from voting for that party - this has already been done by people like Chinn who have funded some of the worst cunts in politics to seats as Labour MPs.  There is no point in buying into either of these positions now, if you want votes, the PLP and Party machine will prevent you.  If you want to destroy the Party, work's already done mate, no need to get your hands dirty.
 2. your POV
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 20, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
truly the dimmest of bulbs here

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1417474139745574914

utterly selfish halfwit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
This is not looking at it in a long term perspective. Capital requires the pretence of democracy to continue in a Western nation, to manufacture consent, and that can only be sustainable if there is a pliant notional alternative.

I'm already aware Labour is total dogshit right now but you are expecting that will remain the same and not analysing where the powerful want to take them (and the dirty work they want Keith and co to do first before they can be trusted with any money).

I think you are ascribing bigger and overarching planning from an interdependent system of people who don’t speak with one voice. I doubt a load of banking CEOs get together and say “we must continue to fund labour in order to maintain the illusion of choice over the plebs”. I think the CEO gets together with their specific board and says “shall we fund labour? Yeah I didn’t think so either”, and separately every other CEO does the same thing.

There will always be an alternative vote on the ballot paper, it just might be Monster Raving Loony or a local independent. I doubt bigwigs at large businesses give a shit if the voters of Stoke North feel like they’ve been stitched up in a one-stop shop because that isn’t the job of bigwigs at large businesses.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 03:09:14 PM
Utterly agree.  I think one of the things that's quite interesting here is it looks like we might be entering the endgame for the Labour Party.  For decades people have believed in its future greatness, that it encapsulated the hope of the people and would, one day, deliver.  That's why there's not been a genuine challenge to its hegemony over progressive thought in the UK.  One could ascribe the failure of the Greens to develop properly, growing in its shadow, to this.

Now, it looks like the argument whether it's better to stay and fight[1] or leave and start again, is settling itself.  Maybe, after the next GE, when this infestation of cunts have had their passes revoked, maybe then a genuine Labour Party will rise.  Or maybe it'll be something all new, whatever, in a terribly sad way, it's a huge relief to feel like the endless war of attrition is nearing its end.
 1. (until the NEC elections, remember that?)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 20, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
Well, you're either ignorant or insensitive towards the lefties who are still in the Party trying to prevent the right from changing the rules to stop a lefty from ever being elected leader again. We're fucked off too and the kind of sniping you're indulging in is not helping.
It's not going to work! They're going to kick more lefties out! Why are you so blind to this?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 20, 2021, 03:14:26 PM
My prediction for 2024: Labour will do badly, but not so badly that its utter failure to be any kind of political force will be impressed upon its lumpen neolib core. Keith will get booted (if he's still there) it'll be established that 'it's time for a woman to have a go' and we'll get Yvette Cooper.

We'll still get uninterrupted Tory rule though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 20, 2021, 03:16:21 PM
Yes, completely agree with this.

One caveat:

For decades people have believed in its future greatness, that it encapsulated the hope of the people and would, one day, deliver.

I think that was probably the case up to the early ‘80s, then for a long time people turned up and voted labour not because they were hopeful for something better but because that was just who they voted for. Dad voted for them, grandad voted for them, now I am.

Brexit meant some people stopped voting labour (for farage’s mob) and the connection was broken. For others, it’s that they moved away to the city for economic reasons and northern seats lost a lot of their young voters. A lot of big cultural and social shifts that knacker labour’s “traditional” voters and a man in a shiny suit blessed by mandelson won’t turn the tide. I wouldn’t be surprised if they collapse and two new parties show up in the North and south to scoop up their old voter base (or what’s left of it).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
Yep, something like the second one.  But of course, you have to factor in the spooks.  The second one but the spooks will try hard to game it, so who knows?  Maybe we'll all be dead of some new plague instead or living, with Bezos, in lift-music paradise.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 03:33:25 PM
It's not going to work! They're going to kick more lefties out! Why are you so blind to this?

An exemplar of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 03:36:00 PM
And now this -

Quote from: Left Foot Forward
Certain left-wing groups are set to be proscribed from the Labour Party, as Sir Keir Starmer pushes to get rid of “toxic extremism”.

National president of the bakers’ union, Ian Hodson, and film maker, Ken Loach, are among those who may be expelled this Tuesday.

Labour wants to proscribe Socialist Appeal, Labour in Exile Network, Labour Against the Witchhunt and Resist, with the decision being made on Tuesday 20 July at the National Executive Committee (NEC) meeting.

If the proposal is approved, which is expected given the pro-Starmer NEC majority, anyone supporting these groups will be automatically expelled from Labour.

Unlike the past approach of assessing individuals to get rid of Militant members, the party has decided it will automatically kick members out if they support these groups.

Ken Loach and Ian Hodson could both be expelled because they are official ‘sponsors’ of Labour Against the Witchhunt (LAW), a group started in 2017 to campaign against what it believed to be politically motivated allegations of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

The proposed criteria for a ban includes participation in an event the group has hosted or organised – meaning it will impact more people than simply ‘members’ of the four groups.

I love Ken Loach, he's practically a fucking saint in this cave.
I hate these cunts.

https://leftfootforward.org/2021/07/why-ken-loach-could-be-expelled-from-the-labour-party-tomorrow/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 03:50:56 PM
I didn’t know he was a member of the trilateral commission but it doesn’t surprise me.

BTW, did you know that Jeffrey Epstein was also a member?

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/30/21/17890758-7412517-Peter_Mandelson_shopping_with_Jeffrey_Epstein_on_December_27_200-m-19_1567198064836.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 20, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
I still want to know how you get the water out of that big vase
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 20, 2021, 04:41:38 PM
There's a lot going on in the photo that I don't understand.




Hmmm

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1417499819279593473
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 20, 2021, 04:53:32 PM
I still want to know how you get the water out of that big vase

Tip it over.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 05:19:55 PM
Hmmm

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1417499819279593473

Heheh, someone asks who the chair is.  Why, none other than the fantasist's fantasy politician and future off-Beachy-Head caravanning luge medalist, Margaret Cunting Beckett, I believe.

https://www.facebook.com/GlasgowForCorbyn/videos/138990364976749/?t=11
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 20, 2021, 06:10:00 PM
I still want to know how you get the water out of that big vase

Fuck kids?

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 20, 2021, 06:25:06 PM
This is not looking at it in a long term perspective. Capital requires the pretence of democracy to continue in a Western nation, to manufacture consent, and that can only be sustainable if there is a pliant notional alternative.

I'm already aware Labour is total dogshit right now but you are expecting that will remain the same and not analysing where the powerful want to take them (and the dirty work they want Keith and co to do first before they can be trusted with any money).

It's not the pretense of democracy that capital needs, its parliamentary democracy. The idea that all differences can be adequately represented and accounted for in the same system. Unfortunately one of those differences - between the fiscally rich and the materially poor, is enough of a contradiction to upset all others.

I think liberal ideology has wrecked havoc with the popular political imagination by asserting that any democracy is good, and criticising any currently existing form of democracy is innately totalitarian. Look at all the rhetoric about "sacred temples" from the vile Democrats and fawning progressives in the USA. There are bad and unjust forms of democracy. What's wrong with admitting that?

My impression is that what people mean when they say revolution is not dissimilar to what you're describing there, as in the circumventing of the electoral system through nonelectoral organising. It doesn't need to mean storming the Winter Palace or occupying the GPO or whatever.

The right has understood for forty years that action outside of electoral politics is the most effective way to steer parliamentary democracies to their ends, as both the left and liberals refuse to admit this and take a "one more election" attitude to every issue, even to something as horrific as climate change. The right has also understood that "community" focus is useless at best and a destructive resource sink at worse, which ensures its cultural victories. It thinks of its values as values and not just as cultural variation, so it doesn't hestitate to impose them on others.

Electoral politics is an obstacle to be circumvented - this isn't the revolutionary position, its the norm. Like upper tax brackets, the system exists to support the loopholes and not in spite of them. Revolution means to change on whose behalf this circumvention takes place. But honestly, I think we're at the time were occupying private spaces and making them public again is the only option left for justice and equality.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 06:32:13 PM
Did he really say that or is this a pigxaggeration?

He said it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 20, 2021, 06:34:30 PM
In times of crisis and deaths in the tens of the millions, abolishing private property is the only action that deserves the name "politics".
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 06:35:30 PM
Of course it's pigxaggeration. He's a government man now.

Malicious lies. Big Mike Walker called for nightclubs to be open so he and his mates could have a giggle and a dance.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 06:38:08 PM
A bedwetter who offers nothing but dippy hippy platitudes.

Your heeds gone man
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 20, 2021, 06:47:30 PM
It's not the pretense of democracy that capital needs, its parliamentary democracy. The idea that all differences can be adequately represented and accounted for in the same system. Unfortunately one of those differences - between the fiscally rich and the materially poor, is enough of a contradiction to upset all others.

I think liberal ideology has wrecked havoc with the popular political imagination by asserting that any democracy is good, and criticising any currently existing form of democracy is innately totalitarian. Look at all the rhetoric about "sacred temples" from the vile Democrats and fawning progressives in the USA. There are bad and unjust forms of democracy. What's wrong with admitting that?

The right has understood for forty years that action outside of electoral politics is the most effective way to steer parliamentary democracies to their ends, as both the left and liberals refuse to admit this and take a "one more election" attitude to every issue, even to something as horrific as climate change. The right has also understood that "community" focus is useless at best and a destructive resource sink at worse, which ensures its cultural victories. It thinks of its values as values and not just as cultural variation, so it doesn't hestitate to impose them on others.

Electoral politics is an obstacle to be circumvented - this isn't the revolutionary position, its the norm. Like upper tax brackets, the system exists to support the loopholes and not in spite of them. Revolution means to change on whose behalf this circumvention takes place. But honestly, I think we're at the time were occupying private spaces and making them public again is the only option left for justice and equality.

good post. sadly the 'one more election' position is too deply ingrained in some people's minds
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:13:30 PM
Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:19:15 PM
And now fucking this, man -

Quote from: The Jewish Chronicle
Labour's NEC backed the proscription  of four groups at just before 7pm on Tuesday after a marathon session.

While the meeting took place, a protest outside Labour headquarters organised by groups opposing the expulsion of hundreds of members who denied claims of antisemitism in the party included a speech by Covid-denier Piers Corbyn and "notorious antisemite" Tony Greenstein.

The protest took place as the National Executive Committee was voting on whether to proscribe four Jeremy Corbyn-supporting groups which have denied the extent of Labour’s antisemitism problem and which are said to promote communism.

http:://www.findalinkongooglenotlinkingthem.cu.nts
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:24:52 PM
https://labourlist.org/2021/07/labours-ruling-body-agrees-to-proscribe-socialist-appeal-and-three-other-groups/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 07:28:57 PM
Just tried to join the party as an olive branch to Johnny Yesno

"Unfortunately, your name appears on a party blacklist and you cannot be admitted to the party as a member. The reasons for this are as follows:

a)  Being a member of another political party opposed to the values of The Labour Party, namely the Northern Independence Party
b)  Being a former member of the anti-democratic group "Bastard Swine against the Beige Elite"
c)  Being a Politically Restricted Civil Servant in Her Majesty's Government"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:29:40 PM
From yesterday: https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1417210157734498310

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6rxICfXIAMyElE?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:31:29 PM
According to that LabourList link, not all the left-leaning NEC delegates voted against.  Fuck me.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:36:07 PM
Quote
Not all members of the Labour NEC who are considered to be on the party’s left voted against the proscriptions today. A core group of ten members opposed the banning of LIEN and LATW.

Nine NEC members voted against the proscription of Resist, the group led by former Labour MP Chris Williamson that intends to register as a political party. 12 voted against the action against Socialist Appeal.
Title: Martin Niemöller gives up
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:37:51 PM
Yep, sad days indeed when the summary banning of political groups doesn't even meet with united opposition.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 20, 2021, 07:39:27 PM
There's going to be hefty renumeration for those that have destroyed the party as they emerge from the rubble.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
It's only the Chris Williamson led group where they weren't united.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:41:25 PM
Yes but what is the principle here?  If summary proscription, guilt by association, is wrong, then it's wrong.  There aren't shades of wrong depending on how much you agree with some of the victims.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 07:43:03 PM
It's only the Chris Williamson led group where they weren't united.

Sickening. An outstanding human. A gentleman.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:44:37 PM
Yes but what is the principle here?  If summary proscription, guilt by association, is wrong, then it's wrong.  There aren't shades of wrong depending on how much you agree with some of the victims.

One of them disagreed on one of the groups. Don't make it sound worse than it is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 20, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
How many people were in Resist?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:45:58 PM
Sickening. An outstanding human. A gentleman.

Oh, aye.

https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1408080703720509444
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
One of them disagreed on one of the groups. Don't make it sound worse than it is.

I'm really not trying to make it worse.  But, you know, if even those who we feel are our leaders, our lodestars, if even they can't find their way out of a paper trap, don't have the moral compass, what hope?  What fucking hope?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 20, 2021, 07:47:49 PM
Sickening. An outstanding human. A gentleman.

The nofap George Galloway
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 07:48:12 PM
I'm really not trying to make it worse.  But, you know, if even those who we feel are our leaders, our lodestars, if even they can't find their way out of a paper trap, don't have the moral compass, what hope?  What fucking hope?

The NEC result is bad enough as it is. I don't know why you're wetting the bed over this.

Habit, I suppose.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 07:50:37 PM
The NEC result is bad enough as it is. I don't know why you're wetting the bed over this.

Habit, I suppose.

Heheh.  Water off a duck's cunt, mate.

I'm "upset" because I'm fairly logical and moral and I expect those I look to for leadership to be better than me.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
Oh, aye.

https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1408080703720509444

Ah, two absolute legends of the political stage, nay! the WORLD stage, together at last. Haterz gonna hatez.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 20, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
Heheh.  Water off a duck's cunt, mate.

I'm "upset" because I'm fairly logical and moral and I expect those I look to for leadership to be better than me.

Johnny DuckNo is the most moral of fibres on here. It's just a slightly different moral. *stares into pond*
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 08:44:57 PM
Oh, wait a sec. Who are the left wing members of the NEC? I have the following, so far:

Gemma Bolton
Laura Pidcock
Mish Rahman
Nadia Jama
Yasmine Dar
Ella Morrison
Lara McNeill

And I'm guessing from Pidcock's letter, that the following union members are left leaning:

Jayne Taylor
Andy Kerr
Andi Fox
Ian Murray

But who is Amy Jackson?

Then there's Howard Beckett, but he's currently suspended, isn't he?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 09:30:56 PM
Edit glitch and also

But who is Amy Jackson?

Ex-Corbyn aide, once alleged by The Cunt Watson to have leaked shit to Skwawkbox and now working for UNITE, I believe.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2021, 10:13:25 PM
Ah, right. She doesn't seem to be on the NEC. I guess not everyone who signed the letter is.

Quote from: Amy Jackson 🌹 @AmyJ_N4
Here are some screenshots of the model motions Socialist Appeal ask their supporters to take to CLPs and TU branches.

They have just been banned as an organisation from the Labour Party and anyone found to be a supporter will automatically lose their Labour membership.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6whv31WEAYAREi?format=jpg&name=large)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6whv35X0AglScA?format=jpg&name=large)
7:01 pm · 20 Jul 2021

https://twitter.com/AmyJ_N4/status/1417545095042240513
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 20, 2021, 10:16:15 PM
Isn't she newly uploaded or whatever the shit they call it, from UNITE[1]?
 1. I'm guessing in lieu of Beckett as his was a personal suspension, rather than a punishment visited on UNITE
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 09:27:23 AM
https://labouraffairs.com/2021/07/09/diary-of-an-ex-corbyn-foot-soldier-2/

This focuses on the Unite election from the vantage of a Beckett turned Turner supporter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 21, 2021, 10:54:49 AM
Look at what this stupid cunt has done.

https://twitter.com/lara_eleanor/status/1417613308782338051?s=20

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 21, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
At least they're selling out to something rapidly going bust
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 21, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
Which trade union is she in? Or is it a lie, like "socialist"?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 21, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
I honestly think some of them are not capable of thinking about things clearly.  This question really is a simple one - do people, as individuals, deserve to be judged on their own voluntary actions? 

Anyone who can summarily proscribe a herd of people, not even signed up members of a herd, just people who might have associations with it and think that is somehow just, is too stupid or evil to follow.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 21, 2021, 11:14:28 AM
It's a social club, a fun thing. They don't want unruly elements ruining the drinks party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 21, 2021, 11:53:28 AM
The Labour MS who replaced Leanne Wood as the representative for the Rhondda is a property developer, because of course they are.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 21, 2021, 12:01:48 PM
Look at what this stupid cunt has done.

https://twitter.com/lara_eleanor/status/1417613308782338051?s=20

Oh, ffs. I guess we now have one of the answers to the question raised by that Labour List article.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on July 21, 2021, 12:58:24 PM
Look at what this stupid cunt has done.

https://twitter.com/lara_eleanor/status/1417613308782338051?s=20

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E03/974489.jpg?b64lines=QUgsIFdBTExFVCBJTlNQRUNUT1Iu)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Quote on July 21, 2021, 01:23:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E60YBpUXoAAEz7g?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E60YCYZWQAUpX4M?format=jpg&name=small)

"Bold"

It's just one winning strategy after another with these electable grown up's.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on July 21, 2021, 01:25:11 PM
The proscribing just seems like it will backfire. How many members were even involved with these groups anyway? Not many I suspect. They'll never be able to effectively purge the left without the party collapsing entirely.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 01:26:17 PM
'Atoning for the past'

These ridiculous fucking gimps.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Old Nehamkin on July 21, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
(https://frinkiac.com/img/S05E19/729261.jpg)


"I believe today I'll try... Bold."
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 21, 2021, 01:49:21 PM
The proscribing just seems like it will backfire. How many members were even involved with these groups anyway? Not many I suspect. They'll never be able to effectively purge the left without the party collapsing entirely.

They don't need to purge the entire left, just make sure the ones who are left are compliant and optimistic for change.

A self-selecting cadre of vote sources.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 21, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
So the electorate is divided into:

Business overlord Sponsors
"Us"
The Middle Classes
Down-and-outs.

Fuck these fucking people and their shit party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 21, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
Reasonable people / Racists
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 21, 2021, 02:08:39 PM
So the electorate is divided into:

Business overlord Sponsors
"Us"
The Middle Classes
Down-and-outs.

Fuck these fucking people and their shit party.

Or

"Us"
Them/marks

For the few, not the many.

If they touch Loachie, they're toast.  All I'm saying.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FanOfKylie on July 21, 2021, 02:17:57 PM
https://youtu.be/Y9oJ8WluV5c

Jess Philip's attacks Novara Media
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 21, 2021, 02:26:14 PM
Voted for Seema & Billy[1] earlier today:

https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1411990394473168896

 1. For the Conference Arrangement Committee
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 21, 2021, 02:39:28 PM

"Bold"

It's just one winning strategy after another with these electable grown up's.
Lol shes been stealing slogans from are brave blodders
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1417840365718151174?s=19

If someone on the labour left proscribed "North London quinoa eaters" they'd be ousted for dogwhistle antisemitism
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 02:52:39 PM
Starmer's kid has Covid so he is now self-isolating too.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Thomas on July 21, 2021, 02:55:59 PM
'Atoning for the past'

These ridiculous fucking gimps.

trust-losing wrongdoings of the past that must be disowned and atoned for
modest moves to the left
popular progressive economic policies
social democratic leader with overwhelming membership support and a massive tolerance for diversity of opinion
increased party membership
surprisingly great result in 2017 (prior to reworked Brexit policy)
strong by-election performances


good old days
invading Iraq
Murdoch press
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 21, 2021, 02:56:08 PM
(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/1626871923180-png.214169/)

looks like crobbins left starmer 13 million quid.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 21, 2021, 03:08:06 PM
(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/1626871923180-png.214169/)

looks like crobbins left starmer 13 million quid.

Where's that from?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 21, 2021, 03:46:58 PM
Where's that from?

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf

Page 65 (their numbers)/64 (pdf reader numbers)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 21, 2021, 04:38:26 PM
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64 (https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64)
if you believe in the true power of hypertext and URL fragments
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 21, 2021, 04:43:29 PM
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf

Page 65 (their numbers)/64 (pdf reader numbers)

Thanks, heathen.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64 (https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64)
if you believe in the true power of hypertext and URL fragments

Praise be! I do believe in the true power of hypertext and URL fragments.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 21, 2021, 04:58:41 PM
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64 (https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64)
if you believe in the true power of hypertext and URL fragments

I used to but one night I crept down the stairs for a glass of water and overheard my parents laughing and saying "Bless, he still believes in the power of hypertext and URL fragments. We'll have to tell him one day, but let's not destroy the magic just yet," and my heart was broken.


28etc...
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 21, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E60auX5XoAA8Ktb?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/LeftWingSociety/status/1417818847105757189

Mmmm. Might be more pertinent if it weren't anonymous and the SCG (honourable exceptions notwithstanding) made a bit more noise.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 21, 2021, 05:38:05 PM
Totally agree and if there was any sign whatsoever of any possibility of success.  So far it just seems to be wait until X vote and if they suspend Y, then get angry and when those things happen it's OK, wait until Z vote...

More needed.  Much more and it doesn't help when some of our NEC delegates act like utter twats.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 05:50:09 PM
Remaining anonymous is showing the astuteness they reference in the post itself.

It is also completely true.

There aren't enough die hard committed active socialists to make a difference at grassroots level unless something inspires a wider movement of ordinary people (eg. economic collapse) or manages to puncture through the controlling narratives and media firewalls through technology (eg. An international solidarity app).

I will repeat myself from yesterday. Pushing Labour to the left via the membership is the best method by far any left leaning person in the UK has of furthering the delivery of social justice to ordinary people.

If you give up on that then you are both failing to apply logic and missing the fundamental knowledge that socialism is a never ending struggle that is about almost unending defeat, setbacks and conflict due to the inherent nature and power of the system it is intended to replace.

If you aren't on board with that then you can't understand the mindset of the SCG or Labour supporters and sadly socialism slips further and further away, but as individuals you will be safe in the knowledge you were no longer sullied by any sense of association with the organism, like a doctor that won't amputate a limb for fear of being infected themselves.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 21, 2021, 05:54:25 PM
But it's so much easier to give up on the Labour Party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 21, 2021, 06:12:36 PM
I will repeat myself from yesterday. Pushing Labour to the left via the membership is the best method by far any left leaning person in the UK has of furthering the delivery of social justice to ordinary people.
Renters unions literally have the receipts at this point that suggest otherwise.

(Yes, they aren't exclusive.)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 21, 2021, 06:13:50 PM
Remaining anonymous is showing the astuteness they reference in the post itself.

It is also completely true.

There aren't enough die hard committed active socialists to make a difference at grassroots level unless something inspires a wider movement of ordinary people (eg. economic collapse)


We've been in a state of slow-motion economic collapse since 2008. If you're waiting for people to be shocked into action, I hope you're sitting comfortably
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 06:18:24 PM
We've been in a state of slow-motion economic collapse since 2008. If you're waiting for people to be shocked into action, I hope you're sitting comfortably

Not sure what your knowledge of the word collapse is, but it isn't something that happens in slow motion, and while the 2008 crash and austerity obviously still has done significant damage to people, the worst has been covered over by basically inventing money and reinflating the housing market, and ensuring those at the fringes least likely to vote were those that suffered the most (hence why the Brexit referendum was always a tactical disaster for Cameron). The chasm underneath us gets bigger and more perilous, but for now the magic tricks continue.

I'm talking about year long food shortages, hyperinflation, people from the middle class suddenly not being able to meet basic needs and pay debts. Greece being a recent and geographically close example, where that resulted in Syriza coming to power (but still being bullied by the EU into capitulating).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 21, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
If society collapses, due to food shortages, nobody's going to be turning to the fucking Labour Party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 21, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
Maybe to cut a delicious slice off Sir Kieth's face like a billy bear ham
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 21, 2021, 07:42:13 PM
If society collapses, due to food shortages, nobody's going to be turning to the fucking Labour Party.

It will be the Labour Party that puts us in that mess
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 21, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
But it's so much easier to give up on the Labour Party.

evidently not
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 08:06:18 PM
If society collapses, due to food shortages, nobody's going to be turning to the fucking Labour Party.

In that event they will vote in literally any alternative the voting system presents (the historic examples are too numerous to require me to cite) and even the absolute crooks, quislings and right wing cunts in the Labour party will be at that point saying whatever it takes and so will the far right. You are usually pretty perceptive to your credit, but I think you should put some more thought into that, this isn't twitter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 21, 2021, 08:11:49 PM
"Whatever it takes" will be English nationalism. Political parties in the Anglo-British mould are what they are.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on July 21, 2021, 08:15:50 PM
Bayonetting a 12-year-old Myfanwy to death and defiling the corpse. But, you know, for solidarity.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on July 21, 2021, 08:22:17 PM
The left can only win if they can accurately predict the manner, date and ramifications of capitalism's future collapse.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 08:45:55 PM
The left can only win if they can accurately predict the manner, date and ramifications of capitalism's future collapse.

Maybe, just maybe, we can convince enough mainstream journalists that Keith Starmer has a 'clitcock' or 'chode' or suffers from 'buried penis syndrome'. It would be a shame to throw those who do suffer from those conditions under the proverbial bus but we have international socialism to think about.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 21, 2021, 08:50:44 PM
When I read that Kieth was isolating I thought blimey he's taken that purge all the way ha ha ha
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 22, 2021, 01:48:03 AM
Mmmm. Might be more pertinent if it weren't anonymous and the SCG (honourable exceptions notwithstanding) made a bit more noise.

It's John McDonnell.

https://twitter.com/LeftWingSociety/status/1417925685742645251

Couldn't you guess?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 22, 2021, 06:14:27 AM
Actually wondering if we might ask that this thread stop being a sticky.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 22, 2021, 06:37:23 AM
It's John McDonnell.

https://twitter.com/LeftWingSociety/status/1417925685742645251

Couldn't you guess?

That would have been my guess.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 22, 2021, 07:08:54 AM
Yes, its a very bland, pacifying statement, with nowt to get enthused by.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 22, 2021, 07:28:09 AM
Yes, its a very bland, pacifying statement, with nowt to get enthused by.

Nothing specific, nothing tangible, just a sad man at a rubbish party mumbling "Noo... Don' t go, some great people are going to turn up soon, I'm sure it'll pick up soon".

When I said earlier on that the Labour left are a complete shambles, this is the type of thing I was talking about. No vision, no capacity to organise and no leadership. I can understand that McDonnell and Abbott are both getting on and clearly have health issues that prevent them from being all that effective but that's the sign that someone else needs to step up and show some leadership.The torch needs to be passed.

I get that a lot of the younger leftists in PLP are inexperienced, and lack klout. That was obvious at the last leadership election but you this is just depressing.At this point McDonnell isn't encouraging the people who have stayed in the party, he's enabling them in making bad decisions.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 22, 2021, 09:27:36 AM
I don't blame McDonnell in the least, just as I don't blame anyone here who believes it's right to hang on in and hope.  I've said it before and I believe it, this stuff is personal, it's like love, you can't just will it here or there.  And socialism is partly, love.

I blame the people who, taking all that good faith and love and hope in, put a price on it and sell out their comrades for personal advantage.  Those people wouldn't know love if it came to live with them and that's their loss.

But love abides, it will go on, with or without a home.

Now listen to this hippy-dippy bullshit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVFtDw209S0) and remember love will never end.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 22, 2021, 09:47:14 AM
Its time to end it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 22, 2021, 09:59:35 AM
Its time to end it

But you still have so much to live for.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on July 22, 2021, 10:38:17 AM
I'd live on one of those shit Mars communes the billionaires want to build where you have to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week if Zarah Sultana was the leader, I reckon.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 22, 2021, 11:56:26 AM
But you still have so much to live for.

No.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 22, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Thread here about the redundancies, staff found out through papers, no consultation some redundancies compulsory:
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1418202252309897218
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 22, 2021, 03:54:31 PM
Voted for Seema & Billy[1] earlier today:

https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1411990394473168896
 1. For the Conference Arrangement Committee

Just done likewise.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: phantom_power on July 22, 2021, 04:21:20 PM
Dawn Butler kicked out the House of Commons for refusing to retract calling Johnson a lying liar
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 22, 2021, 04:25:07 PM
Dawn Butler kicked out the House of Commons for refusing to retract calling Johnson a lying liar

Good for her, need to pile pressure on that fucking douche Hoyle.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 22, 2021, 04:57:36 PM
DIRECT DEBIT GONE
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 22, 2021, 06:14:23 PM
No no, if you do not know about the politics Keith is developing it is YOUR fault:

https://twitter.com/TallyCat8/status/1417507681808572419

Quote
Replying to
@red_riverrunner
 @pembyfly
 and
@IanLaveryMP
I shouldn't need to share them. If you are Labour you will have picked them up. The fact that you haven't tells me you're not bothered about a Labour government.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on July 22, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
No no, if you do not know about the politics Keith is developing it is YOUR fault:

https://twitter.com/TallyCat8/status/1417507681808572419

"I've seen the policies but they're in my uncle's loft and you're not allowed to visit."
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 22, 2021, 08:19:29 PM
My policies go to another school
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: biniput on July 23, 2021, 01:55:54 AM
DIRECT DEBIT GONE

For an hour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 23, 2021, 07:54:22 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/22/marcus-rashford-is-playing-politics-thats-great-hes-better-at-it-than-politicians

Um, but Jess...
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on July 23, 2021, 07:57:07 AM
Telling it like it is. At a certain point, the media classes will get bored of her, at which point I expect she'll resort to more and more extreme positions to maintain the same level of gratification and vocal backslapping.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 23, 2021, 08:05:49 AM
As someone on the twits said last night, if it had been her called Johnson a liar yesterday she'd be on the front of all the papers today and all the sensibles would be messing their pants.

Phillips, of course, has said fuck all about Butler 'speaking truth to power'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 23, 2021, 08:34:04 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/22/marcus-rashford-is-playing-politics-thats-great-hes-better-at-it-than-politicians


Quote
So let’s play politics, because it’s personal to each and every one of us, and if we don’t, the same people will always win, while using your jobs, your education and your internal organs as the counters in their game.

Imagine thinking that was a good ending for your shitty article. Re-reading it and then thinking, yeah, that's good. I looked at her last book in a shop and it looked like it was for toddlers. Really big text and huge margins.

Also, I saw someone mention on twitter that she never actually worked in women's refuges but was a business manager or something? Is that true?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 23, 2021, 08:37:30 AM
Do it Jess, do it

"I told Diane Abbott to fuck off"

Yeah that's it, brilliant. Truth to power. Okay you can go now
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 23, 2021, 08:37:52 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOW0rJxXkAMP3m7?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I just looked through Jess' twitter and the amount of retweets of articles by Jess Phillips and clips of Jess Philips and retweets of people praising Jess Phillips is astounding. Yet no mention of stuff like Dawn Butler's brave stance yesterday. Weird that. I get the feeling Jess only wants to empower women called Jess Phillips or Jess Phillips' shitty mates.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 09:10:35 AM
Stuff like that Caitlin Moran tweet renders satire redundant, doesn't it? Everything is so achingly banal in its predictabiliy. After you with the razorblades...
Title: Are people who aim to profit from abuse and illness socialists?
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Imagine thinking that was a good ending for your shitty article. Re-reading it and then thinking, yeah, that's good. I looked at her last book in a shop and it looked like it was for toddlers. Really big text and huge margins.

Also, I saw someone mention on twitter that she never actually worked in women's refuges but was a business manager or something? Is that true?

Quote from: Wikipedia
Phillips worked for a period for her parents at their company, Healthlinks Event Management Services. From 2010 onwards, Phillips worked for the Women's Aid Federation of England as a business development manager, responsible for managing refuges for victims of domestic abuse in Sandwell in the West Midlands.

The mind boggles - what does a business development manager of the sort do?  Why would it even be a business?  I understand the idea of managing a building but where does the business part come in and how did it achieve primacy in a role working to support abused women?  Maybe not her fault but it does flag a question, a question already posed by her work for her parents' private limited company which earned its crust in health care.

All info as to what Healthlinks Events Management Limited or Healthlinks Events Limited (as it was previously called) actually did seem to be gone from the internet but from its names, it doesn't sound like they were looking for a cure for cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Phillips
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 23, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
It does make it sound as though Philips was professionally responsible for increasing the number of women being forced into shelters.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 23, 2021, 09:40:09 AM
Not sure that’s fair. Presumably somebody has to in charge of applying for all the grant money and lobbying government to open new shelters and so on.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 09:46:09 AM
Development Manager is a bit 'You're responsible for making the business successful but instead of being the CEO you're on a mid tier salary'

Seems like the sort of thing she would be good at. Boosting something's profile. Of course now that something is her. Possibly something she should go back to doing, where she can cause no harm.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/marc-wadsworth-wins-libel-case-against-jewish-chronicle

The Jewish Chronicle's tabloid-esque tactics of industrial lying and slander (then print an apology in a tiny corner weeks after the smear has landed) occasionally results in successful lawsuits like this one.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 11:01:44 AM
Not sure that’s fair. Presumably somebody has to in charge of applying for all the grant money and lobbying government to open new shelters and so on.

My concern really, though I think you're not replying to me, but anyway, my concern really, was the noxious mental biosphere in which the idea of giving someone the title business development manager could possibly germinate, let alone grow into a real thing, appropriate, in that context. 

If it's about applying for grants and lobbying (from the wiki page it rather unclear) but, if it was, then why bring business into it?  Where does that fit in, apart from the shoring up of the idea that we're all super-efficient capitalists now we've accepted there is no magic money tree? 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: buttgammon on July 23, 2021, 11:03:10 AM
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/marc-wadsworth-wins-libel-case-against-jewish-chronicle

The Jewish Chronicle's tabloid-esque tactics of industrial lying and slander (then print an apology in a tiny corner weeks after the smear has landed) occasionally results in successful lawsuits like this one.



It couldnt have happened to a more deranged publication.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Yeah, just reading that and feeling, happy's not the word, but sort of happy.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 23, 2021, 11:37:09 AM
They don't care, they're being bankrolled to take this kind of thing in to account.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 11:41:59 AM
Gah, having now read it am certainly not happy. 

Quote from: that article
The High Court heard today that the JC article focused on allegations that a group of Labour members — including people said to have been suspended or expelled — were part of a plan to track down Jewish Labour activists at their homes to “take care” of them.

Dominic Garner, representing Mr Wadsworth, said his client was a civil rights campaigner, lecturer and author who had been wrongly associated with the group in the article.

He said: “The article named Mr Wadsworth in this context, as well as featuring a prominent photograph of him in its print edition, stating that Mr Wadsworth had given a speech at a launch event for the group — and in turn, alleging that he was both a member of the group and either involved or complicit in its activities.

What group?  What group in the Labour Party or outside made of Labour members, is planning to track down Jewish Labour activists and “take care” of them?  Or does he mean Evans, Starmer and their pals, groups like the NEC working towards banning JVL?  The suspension of people like Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2pWVam6Hs0)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 12:20:22 PM
They don't care, they're being bankrolled to take this kind of thing in to account.

Absolutely right. Though we should be careful not to single the Jewish Chronicle publication out, as there are so many other terrible examples, this tactic takes up such a large proportion of their overall activity that in a sane world their model would be considered the behaviour of a criminal enterprise.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Not really about the money though, is it?  More about having a certificate that says, Wadsworth was lied about to slap down on the desk next time the subject comes up and it does, as we all know.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 01:42:33 PM
A beautiful tweet from a beautiful man.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1418530898769756163

So proud he is my prime minister. Now come on Teem Gee Bee!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
Howled at this:
https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1418543581392945157
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 03:14:04 PM
Great face, got a very charming fuck-you-matey sort of grin.  Love that in a person.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 23, 2021, 03:17:58 PM
I'm organising a group to TAKE CARE of Keir Starmer

It's called Help the Aged
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 03:19:24 PM
Great face, got a very charming fuck-you-matey sort of grin.  Love that in a person.

I do wonder what would happen if Jess tried to pull her Diane Abbott stunt on Dawn. Although the fact is she wouldn't have the fortitude to try it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on July 23, 2021, 03:25:40 PM
I do wonder what would happen if Jess tried to pull her Diane Abbott stunt on Dawn. Although the fact is she wouldn't have the fortitude to try it.

What, lie about telling her to fuck off?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 03:27:43 PM
What, lie about telling her to fuck off?
Yes, that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 03:30:05 PM
Stella Creasey here telling someone to 'not contact her again' despite the person had not in fact contacted her to begin with.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_IB-tX0AULWo3?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_ICarWQAA6AJz?format=jpg&name=large)

https://mobile.twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1418572358097461254
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 03:39:21 PM
She's such a dreary turd.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 03:41:03 PM
She's such a dreary turd.

Someone in there somewhere said she has big 'head girl' energy. Seems about right.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 23, 2021, 03:44:35 PM
Yeah, she's just so dry and bald, it makes my teeth wince just thinking of
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on July 23, 2021, 03:47:26 PM
Stella Creasy has "ambition and purpose" to advance socialism?

I'm not calling her a liar, but... I'm not sure how to finish that sentence.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 23, 2021, 03:48:19 PM
Procedure. Norms and conventions and procedure. That’s all that matters to these people.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 03:54:10 PM
She wanted to get rid of accountability manifestos lol
https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/why-labour-mp-stella-creasy-would-ban-manifestos-if-she-was-pm/2511229258941687/

I have a very centrist acquaintance who is one of her constituents and they idolise her. I have no idea why. She did help them take the ex-council block they lived in out of the hands of a property management freehold so they could self-organise it (and do away with bullshit like 'no pets allowed' rulings) but at the same time I sort-of thought 'yes it doesn't surprise me she spends her time mostly helping the owner-occupiers'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 23, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
Are you addressing me?

Please do not contact me again.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 04:02:04 PM
I hope she is bricked in by a tenement of her own turds.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Chollis on July 23, 2021, 04:06:39 PM
Stella Creasey here telling someone to 'not contact her again' despite the person had not in fact contacted her to begin with.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_IB-tX0AULWo3?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_ICarWQAA6AJz?format=jpg&name=large)

https://mobile.twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1418572358097461254

Potential new CaB meme there
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
I AM THE GREAT STELLA CREASIO!

ARE YOU THREATENING ME??
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 23, 2021, 04:28:58 PM
Great face, got a very charming fuck-you-matey sort of grin.  Love that in a person.

This was a great bit of business

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6-wUjUWQAMz4rD?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 23, 2021, 04:36:45 PM
Potential new CaB meme there

The worst part is
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 04:45:12 PM
I see Momentum are starting to break cover after a year or so of largely trying to concentrate on criticising the Tories while offering constructive non-partisan criticism. They have been very well behaved considering the position and supposed 'Trotskyites'.

This from Andrew Scattergood:

https://labourlist.org/2021/07/labour-is-being-reduced-to-a-husk-this-cant-be-allowed-to-carry-on/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 05:48:46 PM
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1418346714000470017?s=19

The latest (local) defeat in England

The latest (local) strong hold in Wales

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1418346714000470017?s=19
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 23, 2021, 05:53:21 PM
Ooh, it's the first I'd heard of this: https://www.indy100.com/news/dawn-butler-boris-johnson-liar-b1888782

Fucking yes!

Also, I notice it was sausage-in-a-suit and CaB meme Tom Randall up next to offer 'a lighter note'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 23, 2021, 05:56:55 PM
I can understand why people wouldn't want to vote for Starmer's Labour, but why people are still voting for the Tories after their pandemic performance baffles me. I'd even thought that any benefit the Tories got from the vaccine rollout had passed. Is it all the culture war divisive bullshit which gets people on their side? I do wonder if astroturfing is taking place on some forums and media comment sections as well (e.g. on Mums**t posters which are critical of the government's handling of covid are being criticised by others as "political posters", as if that's a bad thing, and as if posters defending the government aren't being political as well).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 23, 2021, 05:57:32 PM
Ooh, it's the first I'd heard of this: https://www.indy100.com/news/dawn-butler-boris-johnson-liar-b1888782

Fucking yes!

Also, I notice it was sausage-in-a-suit and CaB meme Tom Randall up next to offer 'a lighter note'.

Randall should have been thrown out for not having his trademark bag with him. Absolute disgrace.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 06:36:41 PM
On a serious note, why has Stella Creasy, an MP on 82k plus expenses, got a gofundme in her profile with a "donate if you like what i do" as if shes a fucking zoomer youtuber?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 23, 2021, 06:39:44 PM
I can understand why people wouldn't want to vote for Starmer's Labour, but why people are still voting for the Tories after their pandemic performance baffles me. I'd even thought that any benefit the Tories got from the vaccine rollout had passed. Is it all the culture war divisive bullshit which gets people on their side? I do wonder if astroturfing is taking place on some forums and media comment sections as well (e.g. on Mums**t posters which are critical of the government's handling of covid are being criticised by others as "political posters", as if that's a bad thing, and as if posters defending the government aren't being political as well).

It's no accident. Been in the planning since the 1700s
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 23, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
On a serious note, why has Stella Creasy, an MP on 82k plus expenses, got a gofundme in her profile with a "donate if you like what i do" as if shes a fucking zoomer youtuber?

Just been to the page and it doesn’t address that at all, which is astonishing
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 23, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
Stella Creasey here telling someone to 'not contact her again' despite the person had not in fact contacted her to begin with.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_IB-tX0AULWo3?format=jpg&name=large)

Why not table a motion to that effect, then?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Just been to the page and it doesn’t address that at all, which is astonishing
i know i read it too. It just basically has data protection stuff in it. Unlike a zoomer youtuber shes bagged a cool ten grand!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on July 23, 2021, 07:56:05 PM
Dawn Butler absolutely banging on Novara tonight.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 23, 2021, 07:58:27 PM
Failed to call that guttersnipe Mike Walker out for his nightclub stance
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 08:04:05 PM
Dawn Butler absolutely banging on Novara tonight.

Just came in to post that, I'm about half an hour behind and wasn't really expecting her to appear as a guest!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 23, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
Failed to call that guttersnipe Mike Walker out for his nightclub stance

Butler cancelled by The Government Man.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 23, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
Git is a pretty fitting yet forbidden term for Boris and all.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 09:21:39 PM
Good on Dawn, that was alright. She has a very infectious smile.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 23, 2021, 10:11:02 PM
Good on Dawn, that was alright. She has a very infectious smile.

And a more infectious mind
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 23, 2021, 10:19:18 PM
Was Jess Philip's view of them discussed?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: lipsink on July 23, 2021, 10:21:35 PM
Was Jess Philip's view of them discussed?

Not sure if they did with Butler but they did discuss Philips earlier this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9oJ8WluV5c
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 23, 2021, 10:36:39 PM
Ta.

Just looked up Latitude Festival as next door have gone there. Guess who's appearing?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 23, 2021, 10:46:40 PM
And a more infectious mind

I have said this before but I actually don't rate Dawn Butler's intellect, at least what is seen through media performance.

She comes across to me as a pretty mediocre thinker and speaker - not important when meeting the person in real life, of course. I could imagine getting on terrifically in a social setting (especially if I didn't say all this!) and plain speaking is in itself a skill, but so is mental dexterity and articulation. This seems harsh but the standard must be high, it has to be.

This isn't intended to trash her - she has a lot of fine qualities - courage being one, genuinely representing her constituents, openly working for the greater good rather than herself, honesty, a charming guilelessness, a quiet calmness that is extremely reassuring in a hard to place way (perhaps motherly? dunno). Loyalty being the utmost. Anyone with that quality is bound to stand out among that throng of absolute turds. When you have someone like Stella Creasey being apparently in the median left box of that split among all Labour MPs we're in big trouble.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 11:08:20 PM
Ta.

Just looked up Latitude Festival as next door have gone there. Guess who's appearing?
RSPB Minsmere
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 24, 2021, 12:49:26 AM
I have said this before but I actually don't rate Dawn Butler's intellect, at least what is seen through media performance.

She comes across to me as a pretty mediocre thinker and speaker - not important when meeting the person in real life, of course. I could imagine getting on terrifically in a social setting (especially if I didn't say all this!) and plain speaking is in itself a skill, but so is mental dexterity and articulation. This seems harsh but the standard must be high, it has to be.

This isn't intended to trash her - she has a lot of fine qualities - courage being one, genuinely representing her constituents, openly working for the greater good rather than herself, honesty, a charming guilelessness, a quiet calmness that is extremely reassuring in a hard to place way (perhaps motherly? dunno). Loyalty being the utmost. Anyone with that quality is bound to stand out among that throng of absolute turds. When you have someone like Stella Creasey being apparently in the median left box of that split among all Labour MPs we're in big trouble.

I think she'd make an excellent leader.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on July 24, 2021, 01:07:22 AM
I think she'd make an excellent leader.

Me too. It's basically her or Clive Lewis isn't it? Zarah Sultana, who I reckon is the new Jeremy Corbyn in terms of political perfection, is just too young right now.

Butler's a way better figure and a more lucid communicator than Lewis when you put them head to head.

It's just will the Labour top dogs ever accept a black female leader? I think... No, they won't. We're getting Jess Phillips.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 01:24:32 AM
how could anyone back Jess Phillips after her fucking rubbish showing in the 2020 leadership race? she's an empty vessel. doesn't matter that The Times does photoshoots of her in tinfoil rocking on a stool, she makes King Koopa Stammer look like fucking Gaius Julius Caesar.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 24, 2021, 03:04:57 AM
Me too. It's basically her or Clive Lewis isn't it? Zarah Sultana, who I reckon is the new Jeremy Corbyn in terms of political perfection, is just too young right now.

Butler's a way better figure and a more lucid communicator than Lewis when you put them head to head.

Yes, to all of this.

Quote
It's just will the Labour top dogs ever accept a black female leader? I think... No, they won't. We're getting Jess Phillips.

Jess Phillips 'speaking truth to power' is looking a bit thin today.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 24, 2021, 03:06:27 AM
This is worth a rewatch:

Labour MP Dawn Butler On Party Leadership Contest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fp_GoKhRT0
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 24, 2021, 08:29:52 AM
I’d give more of a shit about Butler breaking with parliamentary convention if Johnson and co didn’t do this all the fucking time.

ETA: in fact, wasn’t it JRM who said “you gotta break parliamentary convention to respect parliamentary convention…”
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 24, 2021, 08:34:12 AM
Wasn't there a whisper campaign against Lewis on the grounds that he might have a few MeToos in the cupboard? Or was that just because he was threatening to run in the last leadership election and risked splitting the vote with useless anointed whatserchops who was never going to win anyway?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on July 24, 2021, 08:34:49 AM
Lewis over Butler for me. He’s been banging on about proportional representation for ages, saw before most that it was so important.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 24, 2021, 10:07:10 AM
I don't like Lewis.  He looks fine but there's something there I know is wrong.  Felt the same about Starmer and said so fwiw.  Butler, I don't think she's a true believer, as Crob and Zarah are, I think she's more of a player but she's eminently more likeable than Lewis any day of the week, ever.  And, let's face it, we can't afford to throw another saint to the PLP, it's not like they grow on trees.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 10:42:23 AM
I have said this before but I actually don't rate Dawn Butler's intellect, at least what is seen through media performance.

She comes across to me as a pretty mediocre thinker and speaker - not important when meeting the person in real life, of course. I could imagine getting on terrifically in a social setting (especially if I didn't say all this!) and plain speaking is in itself a skill, but so is mental dexterity and articulation. This seems harsh but the standard must be high, it has to be.

This isn't intended to trash her - she has a lot of fine qualities - courage being one, genuinely representing her constituents, openly working for the greater good rather than herself, honesty, a charming guilelessness, a quiet calmness that is extremely reassuring in a hard to place way (perhaps motherly? dunno). Loyalty being the utmost. Anyone with that quality is bound to stand out among that throng of absolute turds. When you have someone like Stella Creasey being apparently in the median left box of that split among all Labour MPs we're in big trouble.

You're the Tony Benn of the forum.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 10:44:51 AM
Lewis over Butler for me. He’s been banging on about proportional representation for ages, saw before most that it was so important.

That's my full endorsement of Butler then, thanks thugler
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 11:15:47 AM
I like Dawn Butler but I can't see her as a leader. Clive Lewis I don't know much about. Neither of them would beat Cooper anyway.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 24, 2021, 11:21:47 AM
Increasingly thinking that changing leaders is just rearranging the deckchairs. We're not going to even get another 2017, not for another couple of decades at least anyway. Change is going to have to come about by other means.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 24, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
I like Dawn Butler but I can't see her as a leader. Clive Lewis I don't know much about. Neither of them would beat Cooper anyway.

Yvette Cooper of failing to stand out amidst Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall and Jeremy Corbyn whose campaign was 'Here's why we can't do anything ever except bomb countries'

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 11:29:35 AM
I like Dawn Butler but I can't see her as a leader. Clive Lewis I don't know much about. Neither of them would beat Cooper anyway.

Another butler endorsement from me
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 24, 2021, 11:30:19 AM
Increasingly thinking that changing leaders is just rearranging the deckchairs. We're not going to even get another 2017, not for another couple of decades at least anyway. Change is going to have to come about by other means.

I think you're right (sadly) but, if I had to choose, and unless the Party dies stone dead (which it might well), someone must lead and the chances of it remaining Starmer are smallening by the movement moment.

Given all of that, obviously disregarding fully out cunts, I'd say Lewis would be the death-cherry.  Butler the pragmatic choice (but might well later reveal herself to be an absolute power-hungry monster).  Zarah, Beckett's fantasy nightmare and all round top choice.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 24, 2021, 11:33:49 AM
It'll be Rosie and Jess sharing the leadership and the voters will run to the polling stations holding their stilletos in their hands and squeeeeing
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 24, 2021, 11:55:55 AM
It'll be Rosie and Jess sharing the leadership and the voters will run to the polling stations holding their stilletos in their hands and squeeeeing

I know the above was a joke but just to emphasise that Jess will never be leader, she is at best a backseat gobshite that lectures others on their driving. Being a self-publicist is one thing but actually having to carry the can for significant decisions is quite another and she isn't up for that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 11:57:16 AM
Yvette Cooper of failing to stand out amidst Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall and Jeremy Corbyn whose campaign was 'Here's why we can't do anything ever except bomb countries'



Her stock’s risen since then though. Not as much as Burnham’s, but Burnham isn’t available.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 24, 2021, 11:59:44 AM
Has it! Among Remainers? She would be a disastrously divisive choice given she barely hung on in her own constituency due to her myopia on the subject. If it wasn't for the Brexit Party getting 8,000 votes she'd have been toast.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Chollis on July 24, 2021, 12:03:45 PM
Listened to snippets of her interview on BBC Radio yesterday when she was talking about how many death threats she'd received, and how she's above all of the factionalism and in-fighting, she's too grown up for all that! Then was with my parents last night, people who don't follow politics closely at all, and they both think Jess Phillips should be the next leader. I do think her "I'm one of you!" grift works with these kinds of voters. She knows exactly what she's doing and the BBC are happy to help her along. Dread to think it might actually be working.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 12:08:45 PM
She can do standing up in the Commons and sounding like she's going to start crying and being a mouthy gobshite on a sofa. But when it comes to actually standing up and speaking to an audience she completely bottles it. She doesn't have the basic qualities it takes even to be a superficial leader
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 12:10:34 PM
^yeah. She’s shot her bolt. It won’t happen.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 12:28:11 PM
She can do standing up in the Commons and sounding like she's going to start crying and being a mouthy gobshite on a sofa. But when it comes to actually standing up and speaking to an audience she completely bottles it. She doesn't have the basic qualities it takes even to be a superficial leader

Ladies and gentlemen, i give you Boris Johnson, your new leader
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 24, 2021, 12:37:20 PM
I like Dawn Butler but I couldn't eat a whole one
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
Alex has done a great job of being a superficial leader. I mean hes spent a good twenty odd years if not thirty perfecting his Boris character. Imagine if he'd spent all that time studying progressive economic and social reform. He'd be unelectable!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 24, 2021, 03:45:20 PM
More interesting shit in the Canary about the Jewish Chronicle's lies about Marc Wadsworth, goes into a bit more detail about the group he was alleged to have been knocking about with and the truth about all of that.  Cannot overstate the opprobrium I hold the JC in, utterly disgraceful, even for a news outlet.

Quote
In March, the JC claimed he was involved with a group that:

set up an “anti-Zionist action network” to discover the addresses of Jewish Labour activists and “take care of those individuals”…

The Labour in Exile Network (LIEN) vowed to unearth the “identity, location, activities and associations” of Jewish activists from the campaign group Labour Against Antisemitism (LAAS).

The JC stated that Wadsworth spoke at LIEN’s online launch event. But none of its claims about him were true.

As a press release from his lawyers, Carter-Ruck, stated:  Mr Wadsworth had never been involved in or supported the appalling activities alleged by the article. Nor had he been a member of or involved with the group to which the article referred, or attended its launch event.

But as SKWAWKBOX reported, this is not the first time the JC has lost legal a legal case. It noted that Wadsworth’s case was:

Quote
the latest in a string of untrue claims for which the Chronicle has had to pay damages and/or apologise – including significant compensation for a ‘litany of lies’ against Liverpool pensioner Audrey White, accusations of antisemitism against a Muslim woman councillor and ‘utterly untrue’ allegations of terrorism against a Palestinian aid charity. The paper was also heavily criticised by ‘regulator’ IPSO for its articles about Ms White and for its failure to cooperate with IPSO’s investigation.

The JC claimed that LIEN

Quote
vowed to unearth the “identity, location, activities and associations” of Jewish activists from the campaign group Labour Against Antisemitism (LAAS).

The announcement came during the online launch event for LIEN...

The group said it would target the Jewish members in order to take “action against the individuals”, referring to them as “Zionist trolls”.

Details of the “anti-Zionist action network” were posted on its website.

LIEN responded

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The Labour In Exile Network has not launched any campaign or working group as you describe. No such “announcement” was made at our launch conference, which any number of the 200 participants will be able to confirm.
In the run up to conference, a single individual made a proposal to set up a working group called ‘Anti-Zionist Action Network’. However, as clearly stated on our website “we did not get to this item in the agenda, which was deferred”. The video footage from our Zoom conference can prove this.
The LIEN steering committee, elected at the conference, decided against launching such a network.
The half sentence “take care of those individuals” has been misinterpreted in bad faith, as the whole sentence shows: “to use the knowledge so-gained for the purpose of warning other members to take care of those individuals” in the sense of “be wary and avoid”.

The Jewish Chronicle is owned by a consortium that includes John Ware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ware_(TV_journalist))
Quote from: wikipedia
He has produced at least two documentaries on the Labour Party in recent years.

In 2015, Ware reported for Panorama on Jeremy Corbyn's campaign to be elected as Labour Party leader. The programme, entitled Jeremy Corbyn: Labour's Earthquake, attracted hundreds of complaints, including from Corbyn's campaign team, and was described by a member of Corbyn's campaign team as "containing factual inaccuracies" and "a complete hatchet job".[19]

In 2019, Ware reported on antisemitism in the Labour Party in an extended Panorama programme entitled Is Labour Anti-Semitic?. The programme was nominated for two 2019 British Journalism Awards in the 'Investigation' and 'Politics Journalism' categories. The Labour Party strongly condemned the report, describing it as containing "deliberate and malicious representations designed to mislead", with the party alleging that "Panorama has pre-determined the outcome of its investigation and is relying on unsubstantiated allegations and misrepresentation to come to its conclusions". Labour submitted a formal complaint about the programme to the BBC, but the BBC’s Executive Complaints Unit rejected this. Over 20 complaints of bias were taken to Ofcom, who ruled that the programme had in fact been "duly impartial" and had given appropriate weight to Labour's position. Following the programme, five of the whistleblowers announced their intention to sue the Party, claiming that Labour's response breached its commitment to protect the rights of whistleblowers and 'defamed' them. Ware himself has also launched legal action against the Labour Party, alleging it had libelled him in statements following the broadcast of the programme. On 22 July 2020, now led by Sir Kier Starmer, the Labour Party, against legal advice, retracted a number of allegations that it had made in relation to both John Ware and a number of participants in the Panorama documentary in full, issued a formal apology, and agreed to pay substantial damages and costs. Jeremy Corbyn and many Labour Party members stood by the original accusations and, despite threats from Ware, no litigation has so far been forthcoming.

Remember, when Keith gave that massive payout to people suing the Party, despite the Party lawyers saying there was no need, the Party was in the right, they would lose?  Back in the days we had money to pay out.  That was John Ware's thing.

Also in that tasty little consortium, John Woodcock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Woodcock,_Baron_Walney), now Baron Walney, ex-Labour MP, suspended for sex pest allegations, ennobled by the tories for endorsing them in the 2019 election and currently serving this tory government from the Lords as Independent Adviser on Political Violence and Disruption (no joke intended).  Robbie Gibb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Gibb), Brexiteer and long term tory media and marketing shit who worked as Cameron's Director of Communications, recruited and trained in his youth by the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists (зрффж), a Russian anticommunist organisation, now a member of the BBC Board.  And Stephen Pollard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Pollard), an utter and well-known cunt, who also edits the rag.

At the time of their takeover, the ex-chair of the JC, Alan Jacobs, criticised the offer's anonymity, saying "A bid for the Jewish Chronicle using money from an unidentified source and fronted by a group of individuals who refuse to tell the world anything of their plans looks like a shameful attempt to hijack the world's oldest Jewish newspaper".

And why doesn't anyone care?  Because it's too complicated.  Too boring.  Better to let these evil people get on with it and pretend that things are fine.  But they are not fine and they won't even remain as bad as they are if we continue ignoring this shit.

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2021/07/23/victorious-marc-wadsworth-pins-the-blame-for-jewish-chronicle-smears-on-labour/
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/05/29/jewish-chronicle-again-forced-to-pay-damages-and-apologise-this-time-to-marc-wadsworth/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 24, 2021, 03:58:05 PM
Her stock’s risen since then though.

Everyone saw the void behind Cooper's seriousface the last time and they will again. It's just the so-called 'centrist' headbangers who like her. 'She's got two economics degrees!' they cried, yet during the debates, she didn't appear to know anything about anything. It was embarrassing to watch and would be again if she was up against Butler.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 24, 2021, 04:20:19 PM
She's perfect for centrists, represents absolute continuity but also if she got in would be the first woman so they can give themselves a pat on the back as it represents change.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 04:50:46 PM
More interesting shit in the Canary about the Jewish Chronicle's lies about Marc Wadsworth, goes into a bit more detail about the group he was alleged to have been knocking about with and the truth about all of that.  Cannot overstate the opprobrium I hold the JC in, utterly disgraceful, even for a news outlet.

But as SKWAWKBOX reported, this is not the first time the JC has lost legal a legal case. It noted that Wadsworth’s case was:

The JC claimed that LIEN

LIEN responded

The Jewish Chronicle is owned by a consortium that includes John Ware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ware_(TV_journalist)) 
Remember, when Keith gave that massive payout to people suing the Party, despite the Party lawyers saying there was no need, the Party was in the right, they would lose?  Back in the days we had money to pay out.  That was John Ware's thing.

Also in that tasty little consortium, John Woodcock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Woodcock,_Baron_Walney), now Baron Walney, ex-Labour MP, suspended for sex pest allegations, ennobled by the tories for endorsing them in the 2019 election and currently serving this tory government from the Lords as Independent Adviser on Political Violence and Disruption (no joke intended).  Robbie Gibb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Gibb), Brexiteer and long term tory media and marketing shit who worked as Cameron's Director of Communications, recruited and trained in his youth by the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists (зрффж), a Russian anticommunist organisation, now a member of the BBC Board.  And Stephen Pollard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Pollard), an utter and well-known cunt, who also edits the rag.

At the time of their takeover, the ex-chair of the JC, Alan Jacobs, criticised the offer's anonymity, saying "A bid for the Jewish Chronicle using money from an unidentified source and fronted by a group of individuals who refuse to tell the world anything of their plans looks like a shameful attempt to hijack the world's oldest Jewish newspaper".

And why doesn't anyone care?  Because it's too complicated.  Too boring.  Better to let these evil people get on with it and pretend that things are fine.  But they are not fine and they won't even remain as bad as they are if we continue ignoring this shit.

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2021/07/23/victorious-marc-wadsworth-pins-the-blame-for-jewish-chronicle-smears-on-labour/
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/05/29/jewish-chronicle-again-forced-to-pay-damages-and-apologise-this-time-to-marc-wadsworth/

This is the most important post, not wibbling on about no mark Yvette Cooper.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 05:31:12 PM
I apologise for the posts saying how brilliant Yvette Cooper was that I didn’t make, and I promise not to make posts similar to the ones I didn’t make in the future
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 05:49:24 PM
I apologise for the posts saying how brilliant Yvette Cooper was that I didn’t make, and I promise not to make posts similar to the ones I didn’t make in the future

Who made that claim?

Answer: no-one
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 24, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
I apologise for the posts saying how brilliant Yvette Cooper was that I didn’t make, and I promise not to make posts similar to the ones I didn’t make in the future

I realise you didn't say she was brilliant but you did say her 'stock's risen'. It kind of has risen in the absence of her saying much in the intervening years but if she went head-to-head with Butler in another leadership challenge, it would quickly become apparent again just how vacuous she is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 06:45:34 PM
I realise you didn't say she was brilliant but you did say her 'stock's risen'.

Yes, it has. Stuff like this, mainly. This was just a few days ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-border-delta-variant-b1887867.html
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 24, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
Yes, it has. Stuff like this, mainly. This was just a few days ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-border-delta-variant-b1887867.html

'Grilling' Patel is absolutely no test of Cooper's abilities. She's as thick as a submarine door. It's shooting fish in a barrel. The so-called 'centrists' will applaud her great skill, of course, but put her up against anyone who knows anything about anything and seriousface is all she has.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 07:04:13 PM
Okay then - if Starmer resigns tomorrow and there’s a leadership contest, who wins?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on July 24, 2021, 07:51:34 PM
Rayner.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 24, 2021, 07:55:29 PM
Okay then - if Starmer resigns tomorrow and there’s a leadership contest, who wins?

We all do
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Rayner.

Nah. Too many people think she’s thick, including her own colleagues. Penny Mordaunt tore her to bits in the Commons. Plus the Starmerites think she’s disloyal now as well.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 08:02:26 PM
This inanimate carbon rod!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 24, 2021, 08:13:35 PM
Too phallic. A vagina is an absolute minimum requirement.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on July 24, 2021, 08:32:35 PM
Nah. Too many people think she’s thick, including her own colleagues. Penny Mordaunt tore her to bits in the Commons. Plus the Starmerites think she’s disloyal now as well.

I think that’s all true, but she would seem to be the only person who might be able to reach beyond her own natural base of support. If she can indeed do that, she’d be in a very strong position.
Title: She can fuck off
Post by: Buelligan on July 24, 2021, 11:55:10 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DUeQIm7hQgI/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 25, 2021, 12:31:33 AM
To be fair, they are definitely in the financial position to cancel memberships to the tune of minimum[1] £10,000 per month so this is a stellar move.
 1. ”thousands” = at least 2,000 and presumably all paying their five quid a month subs
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 25, 2021, 02:48:20 AM
Okay then - if Starmer resigns tomorrow and there’s a leadership contest, who wins?

Who's in the leadership contest?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 25, 2021, 06:56:54 AM
I think that’s all true, but she would seem to be the only person who might be able to reach beyond her own natural base of support. If she can indeed do that, she’d be in a very strong position.

Nah. She'd come across as thick, weird, and morally compromised. She's been too close to Starmer to carry the left and the right see her as a fifth columnist.
Title: If the slipper fits...
Post by: Buelligan on July 25, 2021, 07:51:17 AM
Not to mention arrogant self-obsessed Marie-Antoinette shoe cunt.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mps-star-wars-r2-d2-10409810

What about that person's job, eh?  What about their mental wellbeing, over some fucking pricey wear-them-once R2D2 shoes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 08:37:27 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/labour-must-say-it-out-loud-brexit-needs-to-be-reversed

Howling with laughter at this. Perhaps that's one thing Starmer could do to make himself even more unpopular than he already is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on July 25, 2021, 09:58:36 AM
Okay then - if Starmer resigns tomorrow and there’s a leadership contest, who wins?

Depends who runs but i strongly suspect it would be between the left candidate vs a 'soft left' candidate who is espousing left policies. And i doubt that the membership will fall for the same trick starmer pulled again
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: lipsink on July 25, 2021, 10:13:26 AM
Has 'Are Jess' ever had a tough interview? I'd imagine she'd crumble. Just seen her on Sunday Brunch (where she's at the Latitude festival probably dancing around like a ledge) and the interrogation about Dawn Butler was sadly lacking.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 25, 2021, 10:16:35 AM
who's her publicist?

edit: ooof

https://www.thehandbook.com/celebrity/jess-phillips/ (https://www.thehandbook.com/celebrity/jess-phillips/)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 25, 2021, 10:45:20 AM
This is disgusting:

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Labour is quietly recruiting staff on insecure temporary contracts with worse employment conditions while it moves to make a third of its existing permanent employees redundant, The Independent can reveal.

The party is being accused of using underhand "fire and rehire" practices condemned by Keir Starmer himself in a speech just a few months ago.

Staff were told of the mass redundancies this week, which the party said was "not an easy decision" but required to get "fighting fit for upcoming campaigns and the next general election"...

But despite the scale of the lay-offs the party is actually recruiting temporary staff on significantly less secure conditions than those being asked to take redundancy.

An advert posted on a recruitment website offers potential workers a six month contact, and says work is to be done from home.

All applicants need their own laptop, a "secure Wi-Fi connection" at home, and must bring their own "satisfactory firewall and virus protection".

The advert does not mention that the job is working with Labour, and falsely claims it is in the "public sector". But The Independent has confirmed with the party that recruits will be put to work in its governance and legal unit, which investigates complaints against members...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
It's the left's fault!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
We've had to reintroduce chattel slavery and it's all the fault of that loathsome cultist Jumibly Gobbrons
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: KennyMonster on July 25, 2021, 11:03:29 AM

Hi all,

I’m pages behind on the Labour threads so apologies for shoe horning in this article.

It shows that Labour were alright 100 years ago.

(I’ll declare here that I have a personal interest in this story,  one of the ‘Revolting Councillors’ was my great grandfather).

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/council-jailed-helping-poor-forgotten-24605285?fbclid=IwAR3p4gSxPXvohZcuv9dQpjClg2o0bjut6oz6D4YdfRrN4EgIqAgWlNlqutA
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 11:34:20 AM
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/07/24/exclusive-starmer-silent-on-butlers-brave-liar-stand-until-he-tried-to-beg-cash-off-the-back-of-it/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 11:35:44 AM
is this cunt sweating blood yet

ed: possibly should rephrase that
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: lipsink on July 25, 2021, 11:36:28 AM
I read all his words in his stupid clothespeg on the nose voice.

If only Dawn Butler had said "young people don't want to work" he would've supported her.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 25, 2021, 11:37:37 AM
This is disgusting:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html

And let me guess? We need all these temporary complaints handlers because of all the anti-semites that Corbyn attracted to the party under his leadership?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on July 25, 2021, 11:38:03 AM
Nah. She'd come across as thick, weird, and morally compromised. She's been too close to Starmer to carry the left and the right see her as a fifth columnist.

Maybe. I think people would have said the same sorts of things about Starmer before the last election. It's likely to be (as with Starmer) someone who can draw votes from both those groups, which means its also likely to be (as with Starmer) someone elements of both those groups find beyond the pale. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 25, 2021, 11:52:11 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/labour-must-say-it-out-loud-brexit-needs-to-be-reversed

Howling with laughter at this. Perhaps that's one thing Starmer could do to make himself even more unpopular than he already is.

But these are the sensible adults he has aligned himself with. It’s mad.

If you want to see what a descent into monomania looks like, read the headlines of the writer’s other columns. You may see a pattern emerge:

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/williamkeegan
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 25, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Depends who runs but i strongly suspect it would be between the left candidate vs a 'soft left' candidate who is espousing left policies. And i doubt that the membership will fall for the same trick starmer pulled again

Different, largely reduced membership now, though.  One would wonder how much it now differs demographically from last year, but it'd certainly have some significant differences.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
Fucking hell. 6 pages worth of the same fucking article.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 25, 2021, 11:57:41 AM
Fucking hell. 6 pages worth of the same fucking article.

He is the definition of HEAD GONE

Edit: how does he get away with it - is no one at the guardian taking him to one side and saying “err maybe write about something else mate”? Oh his brother is on the board of the Scott Trust so his job is basically the safest one in the building. Both privately educated and oxbridge too.

Bootstraps etc.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 25, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
But these are the sensible adults he has aligned himself with. It’s mad.

If you want to see what a descent into monomania looks like, read the headlines of the writer’s other columns. You may see a pattern emerge:

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/williamkeegan

Just the suspicion of wanting to reverse Brexit would be enough to keep Labour out of power for the next twenty years at least. To adopt it as an actual policy would be... words fail me.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on July 25, 2021, 12:00:41 PM
Interestingly, Ann Black's NEC report says this about membership:

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Published comments were also selective or misleading.  For instance there were repeated references to haemorrhaging membership.  In fact the paid-up total was still over 430,000.  This is above the figure in November 2019 which had steadily declined since peak Corbyn, and more than double the level from 2002 to 2015 when membership stayed below 200,000 throughout.  Of course we should work to attract and keep members, and find out why they are joining and leaving, but why run our own party down?

That suggests there was a spike around the leadership election, which could happen again. But that leads to another point, which is that it's always dangerous to fight the last leadership election rather than the current one. The left chat around Burnham (hardly a Corbynist) suggests to me that there are at least some who realise the price for the movement of going all in behind a defeated candidate was too high. But then, if RLB wrongly fought 2020 as if it was 2015, might they then make the wrong calculation in fighting the next one as if it was 2020?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
Just the suspicion of wanting to reverse Brexit would be enough to keep Labour out of power for the next twenty years at least. To adopt it as an actual policy would be... words fail me.

It is creating the mirror image of those Euroskeptics who spent the 90s and 00s 'banging on about Europe' and perhaps it might have the same effect of pushing the affected political party further and further away from power until it explodes in some irrational movement 15 years from now.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 05:27:40 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/25/keir-starmer-shrinking-labour-party-members-broad-church

This seems on point. Guest writer, naturally.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 25, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
Top Guardian pick

Quote
Imogenthat

Labour needs to stop thinking in terms of 'left and 'right' and start thinking about what's right and wrong. Left v right belongs in the last century, the voters don't think in those terms , the only people that do are Labour Party members and you'll never please at least 50% of those. Try and appeal to the general public, not just your own membership.

But who decides what is right and wrong? Surely what you believe as right and wrong depends whether your political beliefs are on the left or right. The comment is the kind of delusional centrist nonsense that the Guardian love. We've had this kind of "left and right no longer exist" nonsense for years, I think Blairism claimed to be about that during the late nineties.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on July 25, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
The other issue is that everyone thinks their own personal beliefs are right.

No one thinks they're on the side of wrong. It's non-sensical.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 05:58:45 PM
Grape sized brain
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 06:32:52 PM
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/07/labours-self-flagellation-tour
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 25, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
The other issue is that everyone thinks their own personal beliefs are right.

No one thinks they're on the side of wrong. It's non-sensical.

I love being wrong. If I'm not wrong what am I. Amirite, lads?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 25, 2021, 06:43:52 PM
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/07/labours-self-flagellation-tour

Good article, thanks for posting. Last paragraphs is nail on head stuff.

Quote
The breakup of Labour’s popular base is already very far advanced, and Starmer appears to have little empathy for those groups—young people, renters, minorities—who still evince some enthusiasm for his party. But if there is to be a real ‘renaissance’ of the labour movement, it won’t be done by MPs wringing their hands in front of focus groups assembled to tell them what they want to hear.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 07:12:11 PM
Starmers going to losea general election and stay on like Neil Kinnock isnt he. Im sick of his hamming already.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 25, 2021, 07:43:24 PM
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But if there is to be a real ‘renaissance’ of the labour movement, it won’t be done by MPs wringing their hands in front of focus groups assembled to tell them what a bunch of miserable, lentil munching simps they are, even when they've promised to bring back hanging and deport the blacks.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 25, 2021, 07:47:49 PM
Starmers going to losea general election and stay on like Neil Kinnock isnt he. Im sick of his hamming already.

Like Corbyn, you mean? He lost an election and stayed on. He also had the undesirable starting point of a virtually unwinnable position. Starmer is not going to win the next election nor should anyone expect him to. The maths on that is off the chart.

What matters is progress weighed against expectations. What helped Corbyn was he was expected, or rather we were all force-fed he would lose terribly badly, only to actually perform well. Not even Piss Leslie who tried to dampen the result actually proposed Corbyn should step down.

To hold Keith to similar standards I would think a minimum of 250 Labour MPs and above 12 million votes represents a success so he "deserves" (fuck off, he should rot) to stay on. Less than that, it's difficult to argue that he is ever going to lead Labour to victory, and even those on the Labour right will be thinking the same.



Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 25, 2021, 07:49:25 PM
Like Corbyn, you mean? He lost an election and stayed on. He also had the undesirable starting point of a virtually unwinnable position. Starmer is not going to win the next election nor should anyone expect him to. The maths on that is off the chart.

What matters is progress weighed against expectations. What helped Corbyn was he was expected, or rather we were all force-fed he would lose terribly badly, only to actually perform well. Not even Piss Leslie who tried to dampen the result actually proposed Corbyn should step down.

To hold Keith to similar standards I would think a minimum of 250 Labour MPs and above 12 million votes represents a success he "deserves" (fuck off, he should rot) to stay on. Less than that, it's difficult to argue that he is ever going to lead Labour to victory, and even those on the Labour right will be thinking the same.

Careful now, Mr. Sensible-Opinion
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 08:47:39 PM
I mean like full term. Corbyn was LotO at a funny time. and the 1983 election was a landslide for the conservatives, while Crobs was almost there.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 25, 2021, 09:07:58 PM
This is disgusting:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html

I hope this ends up at a tribunal. If you take on staff to do the job of the people you are making redundant those people were not in a genuine redundancy situation.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 09:36:29 PM
sir kimp analbeads should sweat blood to keep on his party employees rather than travelling round England in a bath trying to get racists, misanthropists and people who stood as conservative councillors to vote for him
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 25, 2021, 10:28:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9WtBWJN.png)

desolation
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 25, 2021, 11:09:24 PM
Please take the Balls out and push them into a wood chipper.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 11:44:40 PM
Yvette Pooper and Ed... cant think of a funny rhyme. sorry
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 26, 2021, 06:34:38 AM
https://labourhub.org.uk/2021/07/25/southside-finally-pull-the-plug-as-members-refuse-to-be-silenced/

Check this shit out
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 26, 2021, 09:35:14 AM
it's funny how while the arse is falling out of his party internally both politically and financially this cunt is still sending out tweets like he's the Real Prime Minister.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1419567710422323200

OOOh if I support Teem Gee Bee hard enough everyone will say "he's clearly a better prime minister than Boris, let's give him a go!!" 👍👍🙌🙌😜😂✨✨🎉🎉
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 10:42:35 AM
https://labourhub.org.uk/2021/07/25/southside-finally-pull-the-plug-as-members-refuse-to-be-silenced/

Check this shit out

That's terrible, sad, stuff.  Reading it, I don't see a way forward inside Labour.  Twenty or thirty years graft to get another Crobule they can smash.  No thanks.  World'l be over by then anyway.  Labour'l be over much sooner.  No, there has to be a better way.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 26, 2021, 11:27:41 AM
Given the way he's cracking down on democracy and dissent within the party, could we honestly trust him to be a less authoritarian PM than Johnson?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 26, 2021, 11:41:46 AM
he'd probably be slightly more competent at being an authoritarian presidential PM tbh
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 26, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
The focus groups have reconvened and it seems like it is ok for keith to support one of his MPs

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/keir-starmer-backs-dawn-butler-for-calling-out-master-of-untruths-boris-johnson/

Might look a bit better if you can support them at the time though mate.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 26, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
That's terrible, sad, stuff.  Reading it, I don't see a way forward inside Labour.

You didn't notice the that there are people prepared to stand up and speak against the wrongs of the current leadership?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
Yes, saw it and their voices are being muted.  Problem for me is, when you have this going on, when all the customers can see the grocer's thumb on the scales and yet they all say nothing, eventually you just stop doing your shopping there.  What kind of people, the centrists, neolibs, whatever, what kind of people sit quiet and allow these mutings to happen?  Just sit tight in the Party and pretend this stuff is in any way OK?

It's not just the mutings, the whole thing, proscription, summary bans, forbidden subjects for debate, undermining of elected local officials in the CLPs, preventing CLPs meeting, these are happening.  They're the sort of things you'd expect might happen in some rogue state where democracy is just a veil.  These things are happening inside the Labour Party regularly and they're getting worse.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 26, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
The fact that they are that scared of us still being in the party tells me otherwise. Nobody ever said it was going to be easy. And nothing is over until it is over.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 12:46:46 PM
I think my genuine concern is - as was mentioned upthread, if we did manage to get Labour elected today, soon, what kind of PM would Starmer be?  IMO, I actually think he'd be worse than Johnson or maybe not worse but certainly not better.  And it's not just Keith, it's all of them, the whole lot, the stuff they've done to the Party and its members is unforgiveable but worse still, it shows what kind of genuinely terrible people they are.  I'm not even joking.  I don't want to be responsible for handing the country over to people like that.

Also, by remaining in, continuing to feed them, people are giving them the idea that what they're doing is somehow OK, even popular.  It really isn't, we know this.  Are we enabling them to utterly destroy Labour's bona fides?  Trash the brand in the eyes of the public so's even if everything got better inside the Party, outside the Party no one will vote Labour again in future, not in this generation?

These are genuinely existential concerns about political philosophy and morality, we have to take them seriously (I know you do), I just can't shrug and keep on keeping on having thought these thoughts.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 26, 2021, 01:37:48 PM
Are we enabling them to utterly destroy Labour's bona fides?

No. Kieth can't can't get financial backing from business until he's got rid of us, so we're starving him out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 26, 2021, 01:42:51 PM
Let me know how that goes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Thomas on July 26, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
The focus groups have reconvened and it seems like it is ok for keith to support one of his MPs

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/keir-starmer-backs-dawn-butler-for-calling-out-master-of-untruths-boris-johnson/

Might look a bit better if you can support them at the time though mate.

Note that he's also at pains to emphasise that the speaker 'did the right thing', and that he thereby approves of the current rules -

Quote
But I do want to, in fairness to the temporary speaker, Judith Cummins, who was there, she did the right thing, she followed the rules because Parliament doesn’t allow you to call other parliamentarians liars in the chamber, so I don’t criticise the speaker … the deputy speaker for what she did, she was following the rules. But do I support Dawn in what she said? I absolutely do.

The prevailing message is that everything can be achieved within the bounds of the current system, even down to the way MPs have to speak in Parliament. The grown-ups are back in the room - and they're sensibly sticking to the rules set 150 years ago (and then they're going for a pally drink with the head of MI5 and doing a Murdoch interview afterwards).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 26, 2021, 01:56:16 PM
It is mad the way that the party keeps shutting down local parties. Why even bother having them? Just table a motion to dissolve the Labour Party and run everything through a registered LLC like the Brexit party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 26, 2021, 02:06:28 PM
Note that he's also at pains to emphasise that the speaker 'did the right thing', and that he thereby approves of the current rules -

The prevailing message is that everything can be achieved within the bounds of the current system, even down to the way MPs have to speak in Parliament. The grown-ups are back in the room - and they're sensibly sticking to the rules set 150 years ago (and then they're going for a pally drink with the head of MI5 and doing a Murdoch interview afterwards).

Why mention the speaker at all? Yeah, the speaker was always going to do that, regardless of which particular one it was that day, so why mention it at all? Because he can't bring himself just to say "she was right" and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 26, 2021, 02:08:11 PM
Butler said more or less the same thing about the speaker. She was clear that she did it to highlight the farcical rules though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 02:08:19 PM
Yep, Butler acknowledged no grudge because the speaker was only following orders.  What Keith said is the orders are right.  Ask Albert Speer the difference.

Note that he's also at pains to emphasise that the speaker 'did the right thing', and that he thereby approves of the current rules -

The prevailing message is that everything can be achieved within the bounds of the current system, even down to the way MPs have to speak in Parliament. The grown-ups are back in the room - and they're sensibly sticking to the rules set 150 years ago (and then they're going for a pally drink with the head of MI5 and doing a Murdoch interview afterwards).

This is absolutely correct and utter dissembling Keithdom.  Vote Labour the party that won't challenge anything if you want change!  How stupid does he think
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 26, 2021, 02:10:10 PM
This way he has Butler’s and Cummin’s vote. Do you see? By offering lukewarm support to both and criticizing neither, he has locked up 2 more ballots in the next GE.

Stupid like a fox.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 26, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
Are there an Labour MPs, even the bastard ones, who don't think Johnson's a liar? So why don't don't they all say it? Can't throw them all out. I'm Spartacus!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 26, 2021, 02:13:58 PM
Labour 2024: Dog Poo and What You Want to Hear

Now there's a platform which is, at the very least, honest.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 02:16:26 PM
Given the way he's cracking down on democracy and dissent within the party, could we honestly trust him to be a less authoritarian PM than Johnson?
Yes. Yes we could.
Have you actually seen what Johnson is?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 02:18:28 PM
Well, he's not a member of the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you mean.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 26, 2021, 02:21:02 PM
I’m with Mardukas on this: Johnson is a tyrant, a proto-fascist. Starmer is just bending with the wind.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
You say that like you believe the "wind" has no agenda.

What's worse than a tyrant proto-fascist man-child in charge?  An empty vessel controlled by anonymous power, mate.

You don't get asked to join the Trilateral Commission just by being a nice chap.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 02:34:08 PM
Yes and Hillary was exactly the same as Trump which is why all the Bernie Bros ended up voting for the Tangerine.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 02:39:52 PM
If we're lowered to arguing over whether we'd rather eat rat shit or bat shit, I'm not wanting either.  They are both shit. 

But what we have seen, is Johnson's disdain for reason, logic, due process or even factual memory.  Starmer's behaviour, the things that he's nodded through in the Party, indicate, at least to me, that he's the same.  No democracy can support leaders like that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 26, 2021, 02:42:08 PM
Yes and Hillary was exactly the same as Trump which is why all the Bernie Bros ended up voting for the Tangerine.

bleurggh
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 26, 2021, 02:42:50 PM
Yes and Hillary was exactly the same as Trump which is why all the Bernie Bros ended up voting for the Tangerine.

What?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 02:45:11 PM
What?
15% of voters who supported Bernie Sanders ended up voting for Trump in preference to Hillary Clinton.
A even larger amount was estimated to have chosen not to vote at all after their candidate lost.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 02:46:25 PM
If we're lowered to arguing over whether we'd rather eat rat shit or bat shit, I'm not wanting either.  They are both shit. 

But what we have seen, is Johnson's disdain for reason, logic, due process or even factual memory.  Starmer's behaviour, the things that he's nodded through in the Party, indicate, at least to me, that he's the same.  No democracy can support leaders like that.
I'm calling it.
Within 6 months Buelligan will be a Brexit supporter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 26, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
I’m with Mardukas on this: Johnson is a tyrant, a proto-fascist. Starmer is just bending with the wind.

Who is a supporter of the establishment and openly friends with the security services. It'll be back to the new Labour approach of destroying civil liberties because that's what the spooks and civil servants that transcend elections want.

Also just doing tory authoritarianism because he thinks that's what the shitmunchers want. Best work on his sad voice.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 02:52:47 PM
I'm calling it.
Within 6 months Buelligan will be a Brexit supporter.

Brexit is over, I live in France.  I think you know that though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
Far, far more Bernie supporters converted to Hillary voters than Hillary voters converted to Obama voters.

What's more, as a sign of general sentiment, far more actively phonebanked and knocked doors for Hillary than Hillary did to Obama. The bitterness against Obama was more significant, hit a lot of upper-middle class democrats, partly inspired the "its her turn" slogan and the Bernie Bro myth.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 26, 2021, 02:53:16 PM
why are 'new' posters absolute garbage 90% of the time
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 02:55:12 PM
Maybe 90% are the same.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 02:56:10 PM
The insane rancor against Obama's supporters, and his unexpected youth/working class support, is the one piece of this picture that's always missing. And the fact feminism was used to sugarcoat the centrist revulsion at this.

The Bernie Bro thing was just a rebranding of "Obama Boys" which no one remembers. If anything it was worse because it was racially charged. I can't be the only person who remembers [journalist name redacted] making that post about feeling threatened because she was driven to some event by "Obama Boys" who allegedly played gangster rap in the car on the way there?

There's absolutely a throughline from this to the current shitheap and the Democrat-ification of every center left party in the western world.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
Brexit is over, I live in France.  I think you know that though.
Brexit is not over. It didn't work.
I revise that to three months.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 03:07:45 PM
Far, far more Bernie supporters converted to Hillary voters than Hillary voters converted to Obama voters.

What's more, as a sign of general sentiment, far more actively phonebanked and knocked doors for Hillary than Hillary did to Obama. The bitterness against Obama was more significant, hit a lot of upper-middle class democrats, partly inspired the "its her turn" slogan and the Bernie Bro myth.

The point is, the difference meant Trump won and the people who insisted he was exactly the same as Hillary Clinton were enough to ensure the outcome. Elections are decided on marginals. That swing was a significant amount of the marginal.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 03:07:59 PM
Second referendum it is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 26, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
If you feed them, they will come.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 03:15:27 PM
The point is, the difference meant Trump won and the people who insisted he was exactly the same as Hillary Clinton were enough to ensure the outcome. Elections are decided on marginals. That swing was a significant amount of the marginal.

Bullshit. A small chunk of online posters who were going to against the actual, real life behaviour of their candidate's supporters influenced the result of an election? Why that small group and not the libertarians or conspiracy theorists or Never Trumpers? Why that margin and not the others?

Clinton was a significantly/historically unpopular candidate across the entire political spectrum - centrists, leftists, center-right, pro-LGBT, anti-racist, feminists, foreign policy, her performance against Obama, etc - no matter where you were in the coalition that was being mobilised, there were significant obstacles in getting people out to vote for her. Her unpopularity wasn't confined to some loud leftists, it was across the board. Yes, a lot of it was misogyny and the product of her being uniquely demonised by talk radio, but that only accounts for a part of it.

Hillary was a "take your medicine and shut up" candidate not just to the left, but centrist progressives too. It wasn't Bernie Bros that made her campaign, against all advice, ignore states where her popularity was waining and focus on liberal urban centers. It wasn't leftists that made her campaign fumble so insultingly with the "grab 'em" tape after making condescending feminist messages a center of the primary campaign. The inner circle of her campaign was repeatedly told where losses were occuring, and ignored the advice. Biden did the opposite and won.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 03:22:50 PM
If Hillary Clinton hadn't been running against Donald Trump, she'd have been the most measurably unpopular person ever to be on the ballot for such a high office in the English speaking world. Sacred democracy!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 03:57:21 PM
Bullshit. A small chunk of online posters who were going to against the actual, real life behaviour of their candidate's supporters influenced the result of an election? Why that small group and not the libertarians or conspiracy theorists or Never Trumpers? Why that margin and not the others?

Clinton was a significantly/historically unpopular candidate across the entire political spectrum - centrists, leftists, center-right, pro-LGBT, anti-racist, feminists, foreign policy, her performance against Obama, etc - no matter where you were in the coalition that was being mobilised, there were significant obstacles in getting people out to vote for her. Her unpopularity wasn't confined to some loud leftists, it was across the board. Yes, a lot of it was misogyny and the product of her being uniquely demonised by talk radio, but that only accounts for a part of it.

Hillary was a "take your medicine and shut up" candidate not just to the left, but centrist progressives too. It wasn't Bernie Bros that made her campaign, against all advice, ignore states where her popularity was waining and focus on liberal urban centers. It wasn't leftists that made her campaign fumble so insultingly with the "grab 'em" tape after making condescending feminist messages a center of the primary campaign. The inner circle of her campaign was repeatedly told where losses were occuring, and ignored the advice. Biden did the opposite and won.
A thing can be two things, you know.

Also, facts aren't your friend...
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320 (https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320)
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Bernie Sanders supporters switched their allegiance to Donald Trump in large enough numbers last November to sway the election for the real estate billionaire, according to an analysis of voter data released Tuesday by the blog Political Wire. Since Trump's shock victory over Hillary Clinton, much discussion has focused on the degree to which passionate Sanders supporters' refusal to embrace Clinton led to the Republican winding up in the White House.
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The impact of those votes was significant. In each of the three states that ultimately swung the election for Trump—Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania—Trump's margin of victory over Clinton was smaller than the number of Sanders voters who gave him their vote.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 26, 2021, 03:58:07 PM
Are there an Labour MPs, even the bastard ones, who don't think Johnson's a liar? So why don't don't they all say it? Can't throw them all out. I'm Spartacus!

I can't imagine there's a single MP, of any party, including Johnson himself, who doesn't know full well that Johnson's a liar.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:12:18 PM
A thing can be two things, you know.

So Sanders supporters both turned out to phonebank and canvas for Hillary, and impeded her election? The influence of twitter on actual election results is hugely exaggerated by liberal media, and the most extreme voices don't effect how people actually voted. Part of Biden's success was surely ignoring Twitter sentiment. There were "silent" Trump voters in lots of sectors of American society that are expected to swing liberal - college educated white women, progressive people in southern states, latin, etc.

Clinton was a historically unpopular candidate whose campaign dealt with three incredible disasters one after another - the "grab 'em" tape, the Comey annoucement and her campaigns own disastrous decision not to fight for precarious states. Starting off with the burden of being uniquely disliked across the entire coalition and her campaign's legendarily aggressive and slandering behaviour going back to Obama, there is no way she would have won after all that. Factor the stuff about her health, her frankly bizarre behaviour at public events and the fact that she got unexpectedly stomped at one of the debates and it was done deal. If it wasn't Trump it wouldn't have even been close, Jeb or Romney would have punted her into the sun, the story about Trump being an "outsider" was just there to protect fragile liberal egos.

The whole thing is a parable about what happens (a huge swing to the hard right) when the liberal establishment attempts to force unpopular candidates not only on the left, but its own progressive base.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320 (https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320)

"Helped" is doing a lot of work here.

it wasn't these voters that made her campaign decide not to campaign in swing states vulnerable to Trump.

Most liberal outlets criticised Hillary for claiming her loss was Sanders' fault and zeroed in on the Comey letter as the turning point:
https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-blames-bernie-sanders-but-not-reason-lost-2016-2020-1?IR=T

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:15:00 PM
But her emails.
Benghazi.
Fair point.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:15:28 PM
Go fuck yourself. In future read the news when it happens, don't wait to google when someone argues with you on an internet forum.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:18:08 PM
Go fuck yourself. In future read the news when it happens, don't wait to google when someone argues with you on an internet forum.
I did read it when it happens.
Everyone did.[1]

It was still 5 years ago.
 1. except you obviously
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:20:01 PM
But her emails.
Benghazi.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:20:58 PM
So....
Wanna talk about Frogger?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 26, 2021, 04:29:46 PM
can you just fuck off and die please
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:30:31 PM
Not that it matters, the "10%" figure of rustbelt Sanders voters who swung to Trump were much less likely to be democrats anyway nevermind lefty. That figure is inflated because it counts republicans and non affliated voters who supported Sanders, and either didn't vote or voted for Trump once he was out of the race.

The scale of Sanders popularity in the labour movement and the popular of the M4A campaign meant he attracted people from republican/conservative backgrounds, and these people swung away from Clinton in the general because they were never going to vote her anyway. It has little to do with leftists saying "Clinton and Trump at the same" on twitter.

It's all purely hypothetical because who knows if ex-Bush and Reagan voters who responded to Sanders pro-Labour and M4A messaging would have actually turned out to vote him in a general. Speaking about Clinton's extreme unpopularity, there would be an astronomical amount of dirt on Sanders along with probably a centrist spoiler candidate like Bloomberg if it did get to a Trump/Sanders vote. It's already assuming a lot to think that people polling Sanders favourably would have felt the same had he actually won the primary.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:32:07 PM
can you just fuck off and die please
You could just put me on ignore like all the other snowflakes, y'know.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:33:26 PM
Not that it matters, the "10%" figure of rustbelt Sanders voters who swung to Trump were much less likely to be democrats anyway nevermind lefty. That figure is inflated because it counts republicans and non affliated voters who supported Sanders, and either didn't vote or voted for Trump once he was out of the race.

The scale of Sanders popularity in the labour movement and the popular of the M4A campaign meant he attracted people from republican/conservative backgrounds, and these people swung away from Clinton. It has little to do with leftists saying "Clinton and Trump at the same" on twitter.

It's all purely hypothetical because who knows if ex-Bush and Reagan voters who responded to Sanders pro-Labour and M4A messaging would have actually turned out to vote him in a general. Speaking about Clinton's extreme unpopularity, there would be an astronomical amount of dirt on Sanders along with probably a centrist spoiler candidate like Bloomberg if it did get to a Trump/Sanders vote.
Yeah,
but no.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/03/opinions/trump-bernie-election-avlon/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/03/opinions/trump-bernie-election-avlon/index.html)
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So why does the Trump team want to pump up Bernie Sanders' chances?...It's because Donald Trump does best running against a self-described socialist, beating a socialist by an average of six points, despite currently losing to the named top-tier Democratic candidates in head-to-head match-ups.
And I'm not on Twitter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
Let's all read American election statistics and conveniently forget that only 50% of people there vote so we can scapegoat whoever we like.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:39:48 PM
Let's all read American election statistics and conveniently forget that only 50% of people there vote so we can scapegoat whoever we like.
I really don't think that's how numbers work.

But I'm still open to talk about Frogger.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:40:43 PM
Yes, I remember all the effort the Trump campaign put into supporting Bernie Sanders. That was absolutely a real thing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:42:11 PM
Yes, I remember all the effort the Trump campaign put into supporting Bernie Sanders. That was absolutely a real thing.
You are allowed to read the links y'know.
That's not considered cheating.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 04:44:44 PM
So Trump's team supported Warren so Bernie would win and they could support Sanders against Biden?

Evidence: three tweets. Weak.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 04:46:33 PM
So Trump's team supported Warren so Bernie would win and they could support Sanders against Biden?

Evidence: three tweets. Weak.
So was it better tactics to jump back to a log just for a chance at a bonus fly?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 26, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
Let me know how that goes.

Without your cheery presence. You'll be busy discouraging the young from joining Labour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on July 26, 2021, 04:48:46 PM
Yeah,
but no.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/03/opinions/trump-bernie-election-avlon/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/03/opinions/trump-bernie-election-avlon/index.html)And I'm not on Twitter.

This response seems entirely irrelevant to the post it's replying to.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 26, 2021, 05:00:44 PM
Without your cheery presence. You'll be busy discouraging the young from joining Labour.

I don't need to. Labour is mired in the stench of defeat and division. You can't see it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mardukas on July 26, 2021, 05:06:53 PM
This response seems entirely irrelevant to the post it's replying to.
The poster was suggesting that the effect of the Sanders supporters defecting to Trump would have been overshadowed by the amount of support Sanders would have attracted from established Republicans.
The CNN story (similar to stories ran by LA Times and Washington Post) was that Trump knew that he always polled higher against people declaring themselves to be socialist, which was why he kept periodically lending support to Sanders despite their complete ideological opposition.

And then he was quite terse with me.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 26, 2021, 05:07:40 PM
I don't need to. Labour is mired in the stench of defeat and division. You can't see it.

Seeing a problem and having a different remedy does not = not being able to see the problem
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 05:37:15 PM
The CNN story (similar to stories ran by LA Times and Washington Post) was that Trump knew that he always polled higher against people declaring themselves to be socialist, which was why he kept periodically lending support to Sanders despite their complete ideological opposition.

What was the exact nature of that support, other than tweets?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on July 26, 2021, 05:58:00 PM
The poster was suggesting that the effect of the Sanders supporters defecting to Trump would have been overshadowed by the amount of support Sanders would have attracted from established Republicans.

No he didn't. He said that Sanders attracted some traditional Republican supporters, and that these same people made up the minority of Sanders sipporters who then voted for Trump in 2016 after Hillary got the nomination.

All of this was kicked off by your bullshit assertion that "all the Bernie Bros" voted Trump in 2016, and you've just shifted the terms of the argument since then.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
All that aside the one positive lesson to learn from Sanders is how counterproductive the "rigged" message was, and how stupid/egotistical it was for him to work that into so many of his speeches and media appearances.

While he was factually correct in many ways, its example of he where he did positively contribute to Trump's victory in turning in specific allegations of undemocratic behaviour (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798) on behalf of Clinton into the vague idea that the whole process lack legitimacy or that votes in certain states and cities didn't matter.

A gift for Trump and the right just as Clinton's popularising of "fake news" turned out to be. If there is ever going to be a challenge to Starmer from the left I hope they learn from this and don't undermine the legitimacy of whatever instruments they need to succeed. There will inevitably be backstabbing, ratfucking and skulduggery but its useless to fight it with allegations and accusations without acquiring the power to do anything about it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 26, 2021, 07:04:01 PM
No. Kieth can't can't get financial backing from business until he's got rid of us, so we're starving him out.

Man!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 26, 2021, 07:42:08 PM
In 81 pages time can I suggest GotterStarmerrung as the next thread title

okay mate cheers
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on July 26, 2021, 07:48:09 PM
I still think Cursed Armour is lovely
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 26, 2021, 08:12:40 PM
I still think Cursed Armour is lovely

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 26, 2021, 08:17:15 PM
say it out loud over and over again until you do
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 26, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
Oh yeah.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 26, 2021, 08:46:01 PM
Let's all read American election statistics and conveniently forget that only 50% of people there vote so we can scapegoat whoever we like.

Sounds good - are you free on Wednesday?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on July 26, 2021, 08:55:44 PM
Great stuff here by Ed Miliband

https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1418833659570888704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1418833659570888704%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 26, 2021, 09:29:49 PM
What counts in centrist ville as a big historic moment
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 26, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
do a poo in potty and point at it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on July 26, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
What counts in centrist ville as a big historic moment

Hardly historic, thought it was a good take down though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on July 26, 2021, 09:52:50 PM
Remember when we all though Ed was a bit damp? A year of Keith has transformed him into a hardcore bruiser.

...in comparison.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on July 26, 2021, 09:57:13 PM
Remember when we all though Ed was a bit damp? A year of Keith has transformed him into a hardcore bruiser.

...in comparison.

I think he's matured as a person a bit since the old bacon sandwhich. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 26, 2021, 09:59:32 PM
do a poo in potty and point at it

Now that would be worth tuning into BBC Parliament for. Miliband waving a potty around and those near him ducking in case the poo landed on them.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 10:08:16 PM
Blue tick tweet.

This is what real leadership looks like:
[3:26 clip of Miliband repeatedly taking poo out of a potty and putting it back it, cutting to Johnson's failure acknowledge him]
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 26, 2021, 10:10:02 PM
That clip is months old, isn't it?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on July 26, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
That clip is months old, isn't it?

Erm, yeah i think it might be.  I just thought it was enjoyable watching Johnson squirm. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 26, 2021, 11:20:28 PM
I think he's matured as a person a bit since the old bacon sandwhich.

How utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 27, 2021, 01:31:33 AM
The fact that they are that scared of us still being in the party tells me otherwise. Nobody ever said it was going to be easy. And nothing is over until it is over.

These lot would rather piss the bed than lend their support to the only MP with the balls to call Johnson a liar in the Commons. In some ways, they deserve Jess Phillips's plastic trousers.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 27, 2021, 01:36:37 AM
Labour, we are the party of temporary workers
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-fire-and-rehire-keir-starmer-david-evans-b1889879.html
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Labour recruiting staff on insecure contracts while making mass redundancies
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Labour is quietly recruiting staff on insecure temporary contracts with worse employment conditions while it moves to make a third of its existing permanent employees redundant, The Independent can reveal.

The party is being accused of using underhand “fire and rehire” practices condemned by Keir Starmer himself in a speech just a few months ago.

Staff were told of the mass redundancies this week, which the party said was “not an easy decision” but was required to get “fighting fit for upcoming campaigns and the next general election”.

Labour is believed to have seen an exodus of members under Keir Starmer’s leadership, which has hit the party’s finances hard – as has settling with former staffers who sued the party over its handling of antisemitism.

But despite the scale of the lay-offs the party is actually recruiting temporary staff on significantly less secure conditions than those being asked to take redundancy.

An advert posted on a recruitment website offers potential workers a six-month contract and says work is to be done from home.

All applicants need their own laptop, a “secure Wi-Fi connection” at home, and must bring their own “satisfactory firewall and virus protection”.

The advert does not mention that the job is working with Labour, and falsely claims it is in the “public sector”. But The Independent has confirmed with the party that recruits will be put to work in its governance and the legal unit, which investigates complaints against members.

Successful applicants, who will be paid £19 an hour, are asked to have a “knowledge of data protection and equalities legislation” and the “ability to work effectively in a fast-paced and highly pressurised environment”, among other traits.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: JohnnyCouncil on July 27, 2021, 05:50:54 AM
Not sure there's that many people with the specific skillset willing to work for £19ph unsecured, y'know to work as park of Keith's Stasi.

Meanwhile...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/26/labour-pledges-same-rights-for-all-workers-from-day-one-of-jobs

I cannot believe they are not trying to undermine their own messaging.

Ripe for parody.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 27, 2021, 07:07:34 AM
Hardly historic, thought it was a good take down though.

Its what really matters. *smattering of light applause but world continues to burn for the price of a warm glow in belly*
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 27, 2021, 09:36:38 AM
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-moderates-oust-corbyn-starmer-london-clp-b947638.html

Full on from beginning to end depressing shit but this is what happens when so many on the left throw a wobbler to sit on the sidelines, they needed more support.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 27, 2021, 09:58:08 AM
This bullshit about the Left throwing a wobbler - get to fuck with it.  The time for standing firm was when we had a genuinely decent leader.  You don't seem able to grasp that holding the Party for the sake of holding it, rudderless, is what those moronic useless arseholes on the right are so keen on - power for power's sake and fuck the principle.

If you, or Johnny, thinks needling people constantly is somehow going to bring them rushing headlong to your banner, you're nitwits.  Idiots.  Part of the problem.  I suggest you pull your fucking horns in.  Unless, of course, it makes you feel good and that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 27, 2021, 09:58:30 AM
Funny thing, isn't it, how there aren't thinkpieces acknowledging how bad it would be under Corbyn and how he's a moment of true danger, like when France narrowly avoided Le Pen or anything.

Seems odd spelling his name correctly. Painfully nostalgic. Won't do it again.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 27, 2021, 10:06:33 AM
This bullshit about the Left throwing a wobbler - get to fuck with it.  The time for standing firm was when we had a genuinely decent leader.  You don't seem able to grasp that holding the Party for the sake of holding it, rudderless, is what those moronic useless arseholes on the right are so keen on - power for power's sake and fuck the principle.

If you, or Johnny, thinks needling people constantly is somehow going to bring them rushing headlong to your banner, you're nitwits.  Idiots.  Part of the problem.  I suggest you pull your fucking horns in.  Unless, of course, it makes you feel good and that's all that matters.

It isn't needling anyone, it's my argument, my opinion (which will keep appearing regardless of if it happens to cross over into some actions you have taken)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 27, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
I'm just telling you it's very counterproductive if your hope is to galvanise support for your position.  If you can't understand that, not my problem.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 27, 2021, 10:28:09 AM
It doesn't matter how many left-wing people there are on the NEC or in the CLPs. Unless the boundary commission and voter ID laws are stopped (spoiler: they won't be) and the media and political landscape completely revolutionised (Ibid.) Labour will never again win another GE.

The struggle is outside the Labour Party, an increasingly irrelevant, outdated and ridiculed institution.

FWIW, I don't think the Conservative Party will last much longer either. In fact, it's already unrecognisable from what it was even 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 27, 2021, 11:08:35 AM
These lot would rather piss the bed than lend their support to the only MP with the balls to call Johnson a liar in the Commons. In some ways, they deserve Jess Phillips's plastic trousers.

"These lot". FFS.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dothestrand on July 27, 2021, 01:24:00 PM
It doesn't matter how many left-wing people there are on the NEC or in the CLPs. Unless the boundary commission and voter ID laws are stopped (spoiler: they won't be) and the media and political landscape completely revolutionised (Ibid.) Labour will never again win another GE.

The struggle is outside the Labour Party, an increasingly irrelevant, outdated and ridiculed institution.

FWIW, I don't think the Conservative Party will last much longer either. In fact, it's already unrecognisable from what it was even 10 years ago.

The Tories are all about winning elections and holding power. They're going nowhere.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 27, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
This is an interesting read.

https://novaramedia.com/2021/07/27/heres-what-really-happened-when-starmer-suspended-corbyn/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 27, 2021, 02:16:14 PM
The Tories are all about winning elections and holding power. They're going nowhere.

They'll keep the name but hollow out the party until it's just a brand vehicle for the ambitions of the wealthy.

The Conservative And Unionist Party no longer cares about conserving and isn't really unionist any more. It's a radical right-wing authoritarian party that'll soon have the country stitched up against anything short of revolution.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 27, 2021, 02:45:28 PM
This is an interesting read.

https://novaramedia.com/2021/07/27/heres-what-really-happened-when-starmer-suspended-corbyn/

It is and don't be put off by the introduction, which is necessarily long (because you have to set out all the context for those who were not watching at the time), it's worth continuing to the denouement if only to understand just what an incompetent evil dishonest cunt Keith is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 27, 2021, 05:28:53 PM
Not so much evil as desperately weak and indecisive. A man fundamentally ill equipped for leadership.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 27, 2021, 05:51:36 PM
He is evil because he has struggled to achieve a position of power and is knowingly allowing evil things to be done and doing them himself with that power.  That is evil.  Telling MPs to abstain on spycops was evil.  Closing down party democracy is evil.  Destroying the Labour Party is evil.  Keir Starmer is an evil cunt.

Let's face it, what he did to Jez is evil.   Really fucking vile.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 27, 2021, 06:38:45 PM
Just seen this in Labour List - a chance to tell the Fabians what you think of how the Labour Party's being run.  Maybe mention something about democracy, Loachie, our dear departed leader and even being able to talk about that.

https://labourlist.org/2021/07/wanted-labour-members-experiences-of-their-party/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 27, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
They'll keep the name but hollow out the party until it's just a brand vehicle for the ambitions of the wealthy.

The Conservative And Unionist Party no longer cares about conserving and isn't really unionist any more. It's a radical right-wing authoritarian party that'll soon have the country stitched up against anything short of revolution.

Vote conservative and win a chance to join Sajid Javid in space.

Vote Labour and its pie and pint time with shoulders and blodwyn sniping in the toilets
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 27, 2021, 07:17:35 PM
Amazing this. Jewish Labour officer compares Duffield not being sacked over TERFing with Williamson on antisemitism... and look how the totally good-faith anti bigotry egg takes it.

https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1419998041898094594

Get in bed with these cunts and they'll kick you into the trash at the first opportunity
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: canadagoose on July 27, 2021, 07:28:56 PM
Amazing this. Jewish Labour officer compares Duffield not being sacked over TERFing with Williamson on antisemitism... and look how the totally good-faith anti bigotry egg takes it.

https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1419998041898094594

Get in bed with these cunts and they'll kick you into the trash at the first opportunity
Yeah, the big egg is a Tory tosser.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 27, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
Stephen Pollard is poisonous.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 27, 2021, 08:36:50 PM
On the day Boris says he wants to bring back chain gangs this prick does this:

Quote
Police numbers were driven down by 21,000 under 11 years of Conservative government.

Antisocial behaviour has surged, violent crime is devastating communities and nine in 10 crimes go unsolved.

Under Boris Johnson's Tories, criminals get let off and the public gets let down.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 27, 2021, 08:43:00 PM
What a zinger.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 27, 2021, 08:55:21 PM
*the director of public life-ruining has logged on*
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 27, 2021, 10:27:05 PM
Stephen Pollard is poisonous.
he's a tabloid gutter cunt who as soon as he got editorship of the JC everyone suddenly took as a sensible arbiter of racisms. just a fucking bully really.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 27, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Amazing this. Jewish Labour officer compares Duffield not being sacked over TERFing with Williamson on antisemitism... and look how the totally good-faith anti bigotry egg takes it.

https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1419998041898094594

Get in bed with these cunts and they'll kick you into the trash at the first opportunity

Nice response from Dr Randy Cucton-bomb'd too.  .
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 27, 2021, 11:39:25 PM
how little interaction it's got from his 33.2k followers is remarkable really. all the replies are shitposts. oh well. will still get a big salary and get columns in the telegraph, because he's a fucking cunt
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 27, 2021, 11:45:17 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1420001784215572499
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greenman on July 28, 2021, 05:15:07 AM
Can't see the original tweet, was he celebrating pulling off a Kolvoord Starburst?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 28, 2021, 07:09:37 AM
Wes Streeting thankfully free of The Big C. Also recovered from cancer
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 28, 2021, 09:39:36 AM
Ken Loach booted, Jess Phillips promoted to front bench.

Party of shit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 28, 2021, 09:53:42 AM
Don't even joke about Loach. 

Seriously, serious problem here is what is happening.

It's a pandemic in a time of climate collapse.  Even if that shit weren't taking place, hundreds of thousands, millions(?), of people are being displaced by things like war and famine that the West, the UK, could either stop or contribute greatly to the ending of but instead we're vilifying them, letting them drown, even the little ones.  At home, the mental health crisis goes through the roof, people queue at foodbanks and there aren't enough houses to home the population - there are but a lot of people seem to think having two, three or more, for their own pleasure and profit is OK.  The police act like bully-boys and crime rages on unabated.

Meanwhile the Labour Party rolls up its sleeves and has a trillion meetings behind closed doors about how to get rid of people they don't like or sack staff or control people that want to save the world and keep them quiet.  Silence is the goal.

Is the Labour Party doing what it was built for?  Even if times were good, would this be a satisfactory performance?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 28, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
Labour Party democracy really is a complete fucking sham. I mean, one of the low-key horrible things mentioned in that Novara article is the way that Corbyn was able to negotiate the ruling of the NEC. What about the people who aren't former leaders? I'm pretty sure they don't get to negotiate their outcomes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 28, 2021, 12:10:18 PM
I think the point was, he was only able to negotiate anything because they wanted to force him to bow and then stitch him up like a kipper.  Those sorts of negotiations are equally open to anyone the leadership's owners particularly wish to destroy.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dothestrand on July 28, 2021, 04:06:53 PM
Ken Loach booted, Jess Phillips promoted to front bench.

Party of shit.

Loach hadn't been a member of Labour for 30 years or so, even siding with Galloway for a period before supporting TUSC/Left Unity. Even with Corbyn becoming leader, I don't know why he rejoined. I have a lot of time for Loach's films but he's an easy target for criticism. One only has to look at the Perdition furore.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 28, 2021, 04:27:07 PM
Another, and one of the last, senior aides is to leave his team. This time it's Chris Ward, his speechwriter.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/28/keir-starmer-aide-chris-ward-to-leave-labour-leaders-top-team

I guess it's not like he's been doing a good job, but conference is coming.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 28, 2021, 04:39:17 PM
Loach hadn't been a member of Labour for 30 years or so, even siding with Galloway for a period before supporting TUSC/Left Unity. Even with Corbyn becoming leader, I don't know why he rejoined. I have a lot of time for Loach's films but he's an easy target for criticism. One only has to look at the Perdition furore.

Heh, you talk about Loach's history like you think no one can remember your posting history.  Not fit to lick his boots.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 28, 2021, 05:50:03 PM
did he pen such bangers as "I want this country to be the best place in the world to grow up in and the best place to grow old in."
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 28, 2021, 08:40:34 PM
Another, and one of the last, senior aides is to leave his team. This time it's Chris Ward, his speechwriter.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/28/keir-starmer-aide-chris-ward-to-leave-labour-leaders-top-team

I guess it's not like he's been doing a good job, but conference is coming.

Starmer 2.0 is complete, get rid of the lackeys and install the covert nut jobs to finish the job (of destroying the Labour Party forever).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 28, 2021, 08:43:31 PM
Yeah
Meet the new Keith
Same as the old Kieth
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 28, 2021, 08:44:37 PM
At this point I'd rather have the beige Keith than the current sociopath Kieth.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 28, 2021, 11:53:31 PM
There is no event to which Keith will not instinctively pivot right.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 29, 2021, 12:24:51 AM
MECHA STARMERMON

rooarr!!

let's hire employees on short-term contracts. and have no policies. become electable. via the power of waving your arms about in a kaiju suit.

awoooga!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 29, 2021, 09:59:16 AM
Keith done a trafficking. Bringing spin doctors into the country in shipping containers.  Making them sleep on soiled mattresses and work off their debts by issuing press releases.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 29, 2021, 10:02:12 AM
MECHA STARMERMON

rooarr!!

let's hire employees on short-term contracts. and have no policies. become electable. via the power of waving your arms about in a kaiju suit.

awoooga!

It's more like Nixon in Futurama, except Agnew is in charge and trying to run the party with the head of Blair in a jar out of sight.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 29, 2021, 11:57:28 AM
Maybe we can guess how they can satirise the labour movement next. They've more-or-less started the blacklisting. Stockpiling motions until members break strike and door-knock for them?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 29, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
Maybe we can guess how they can satirise the labour movement next. They've more-or-less started the blacklisting. Stockpiling motions until members break strike and door-knock for them?

They're way ahead of you mate.

Quote
Shadow minister Jess Phillips has said Labour staff "don’t want to be used as some sort of tool in an argument" in response to the suggestion that the party should 'get its own house in order' before putting forward employment rights policies:

A thread:
https://twitter.com/DistortBot/status/1420698868472242182
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 29, 2021, 12:04:24 PM
sad to see no more hilarious "meeting the people" presumably because there's no enough in the kitty for his expenses. let's see what he's been tweeting

MORE INSECURE CONTRACTS
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1420397883451445257

MORE POLICE
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1420079824845082624

MORE WES STREETING
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1419976809312133138

LET'S MAKE BRITAIN THE BEST AT WORKING
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1419559588874051586
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 29, 2021, 12:11:46 PM
A thread:
https://twitter.com/DistortBot/status/1420698868472242182


No Jess, what they said was 'We don't want to be represented by a complete tool in an argument'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 29, 2021, 12:20:23 PM
No Jess, what they said was 'We don't want to be represented by a complete tool in an argument'.

It's true they don't want to be pawns, in the sense they just want their jobs back.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 29, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: Aaron Bastani@AaronBastani
A senior Labour staffer on Jess Philips minimising the legitimate fears of staff losing their jobs:

"Unbelievable that a politician who is so proud to call herself ‘gobby’ is trying to stop Labour staff speaking up about their own mass sackings".

Good point!

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1420727741452898306
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 29, 2021, 03:47:56 PM
I think the answer to this is to keep giving them membership fees so they can continue to not give it to their staff.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 29, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
I think the answer to this is to keep giving them membership fees so they can continue to not give it to their staff.

"ah still, nevertheless"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 29, 2021, 04:38:36 PM
I think the answer to this is to keep giving them membership fees so they can continue to not give it to their staff.

Just stay until these people reach retirement age!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 29, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
Covid has been such a damp squib, really. Imagine what liberation from the PLP it might have achieved, if it had been a touch more virulent.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 29, 2021, 11:40:13 PM
I love you pancs.  I really do.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 29, 2021, 11:58:04 PM
Quote
Pitsea North West (Basildon), council by-election result:

CON: 56.5% (+14.8)
LAB: 30.6% (-16.0)
BCRP: 5.8% (-3.2)
LDEM: 4.1% (+1.4)
REFUK: 1.6% (+1.6)
FBM: 1.4% (+1.4)

Conservative GAIN from Labour.

BCRP: Community Residents Party

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1420870957116399621
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 30, 2021, 12:23:47 AM
long corbyn so looooong
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 30, 2021, 08:13:40 AM
Whilst it’s impossible to read anything into any one council by-election result I agree that the thing that is clear is this doesn’t look good for Corbyn.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 30, 2021, 08:33:16 AM
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/07/29/ipso-finds-against-jewish-chronicle-for-smearing-jewish-left-labour-councillor-jo-bird/

Yet another defeat.

All baked in by the bankrolled Chronicle.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on July 30, 2021, 09:57:02 AM
Oh my god.

IPSO is antisemitic.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 11:37:58 AM
And another:

East Retford South (Bassetlaw), council by-election result:

CON: 40.1% (+25.2)
IND: 39.7% (+39.7)
LAB: 20.1% (-47.7)

Conservative GAIN from Labour.

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1421016965485842432?s=20

But I guess we should have suspected the people of East Retford South to have been antisemites, in retrospect.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 11:43:23 AM
State of it:

Knaresborough Scriven Park (Harrogate), council by-election result:

LDEM: 56.6% (+19.6)
CON: 34.3% (-4.2)
LAB: 8.1% (-16.4)
UKIP: 1.0% (+1.0)

Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.

(8.1%=91 votes)

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1421017401819287553?s=20
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on July 30, 2021, 11:54:20 AM
You go Keith! At least the people of Fellgate and Hedworth can see that there's a new leader in town!!!


Fellgate and Hedworth (South Tyneside), council by-election result:

LAB: 49.1% (+9.6)
IND: 32.0% (-15.8)
CON: 9.1% (+4.7)
LDEM: 7.2% (-1.0)
GRN: 2.5% (+2.5)

Labour GAIN from Independent.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 30, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Incredible result. Labour's coming home! It's coming home! Awoooooga!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 30, 2021, 12:41:20 PM
Wonder how many Guardian journalists will scamper to South Tyneside for articles on how Kier's "turning things around for Labour"

I think the result may have more to do with the independent candidate becoming a bit less popular than Starmer's Labour:

Quote
@BritainElects
Worth noting the now defeated IND candidate...

> Drove his lorry into a council building, causing £160,000+ worth of damages
> Received 40 weeks in prison for the trouble
> Forced his own resignation, attempted to retract it, then discovered he couldn't

Kier Starmer's Labour - more popular than people who drive lorries into council buildings and go to prison. Although not that much more popular, given the independent candidate still got 32% of the vote.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 30, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
Has his misery tour started yet? That should be fun.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 30, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
Has his misery tour started yet? That should be fun.

I’m still waiting for the policy blitz “in the coming weeks” announced in February and then again in May.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 30, 2021, 01:05:38 PM
I’m still waiting for the policy blitz “in the coming weeks” announced in February and then again in May.

I think that might've been turned into an 18 month enquiry now lol.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 30, 2021, 01:12:38 PM
I think that might've been turned into an 18 month enquiry now lol.

In fairness I knew that, but thought it was too funny not to mention
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 30, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bCad5G2.jpeg)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1421075679580463112

(https://i.imgur.com/k07Es2K.png)

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 30, 2021, 02:38:54 PM
looks like it's one of those bad NTSC transfers from the 90s
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 30, 2021, 02:46:17 PM
looks like it's one of those bad NTSC transfers from the 90s

My mind initially went to:
(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/erxzdggwoaa52yj-jpg.214893/)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 30, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bCad5G2.jpeg)

Christ, Alex Jones eating a steak at a court hearing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on July 30, 2021, 04:48:48 PM
Has he gone for one of them fake tans, but picked inflamed gammon instead of orange?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: DrGreggles on July 30, 2021, 04:50:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OmnUg9P.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 30, 2021, 05:17:41 PM
Alky death soon
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 30, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
Looks like the attempt to get Apsana Begum jailed and her seat made available for Burnham to challenge Starmer (if the Eye be believed on the latter, though it seemed a little too keen on the former for my liking) has failed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/30/labour-mp-apsana-begum-cleared-of-housing-fraud-tower-hamlets
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 30, 2021, 08:40:29 PM
Looks like something's brewing with people around him being on the take from the gambling industry:

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1/5. Keir Starmer's Shadow Minister for Health & Social Care, Alex Norris, previously warned that the "online gambling space is like the wild west”

But he accepted £1,500 worth of tickets & hospitality to see England v Czech Republic courtesy of Gamesys. https://private-eye.co.uk/hp-sauce

https://twitter.com/PhillipsBarrie/status/1421106322225893376

SLEAZE though eh?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 09:12:37 PM
It's not in itself the worst thing. I wouldn't do it, but mainly because it's football. You could say:

'This evil company makes money off the suffering of the most destitute in society. In taking their tickets I allowed them to do some good for a change.'

That would be the play.

If Shell offered me tickets to Bayreuth … I have no doubt I could take as many freebies as they'd give me and fuck their faces the moment I was in a position to do so, but I don't rate most people's chances of maintaining such cynicism.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 30, 2021, 09:34:42 PM
Hitler beating his dogs, not the worst thing

Panc, it smacks of contempt and leaves the door open for further corruption.

An honest man is hard to keep
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 30, 2021, 10:40:02 PM
Is there a specific reason Bayreuth is a desired destination?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 30, 2021, 10:41:11 PM
the operas of wagner i reckon
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
the operas of wagner i reckon

^ he knows
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 11:05:20 PM
Look, it would be a way to piss off the establishment by taking some fabergé eggs off some lobbyists for absolutely fuck all return—which I may even tell the cunts in advance—and I'd get to go to Bayreuth.

How many times do I have to tell you? I know what I am doing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on July 30, 2021, 11:24:54 PM
Look, it would be a way to piss off the establishment by taking some fabergé eggs off some lobbyists for absolutely fuck all return—which I may even tell the cunts in advance—and I'd get to go to Bayreuth.

How many times do I have to tell you? I know what I am doing.

an anti-semite you would be
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 30, 2021, 11:29:28 PM
I'd really hate to go to Bayreuth.  If I ever get offered tickets by Shell, I swear on Alberich's ghastly ring, I shall offer them to you pancreas.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 11:41:21 PM
I'd really hate to go to Bayreuth.  If I ever get offered tickets by Shell, I swear on Alberich's ghastly ring, I shall offer them to you pancreas.

You would make me a very happy man. You are incredibly gracious people. Gracious … and graceful.

https://youtu.be/ETifvHKFZpc?t=1000
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 30, 2021, 11:45:29 PM
Fuck me, thanks for that delightful surprise old hoot, I actually love Stephen Rea to bits.  So that was hugely appreciated.  I will definitely forward those tickets, soon as I have 'em.  Lovely.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 30, 2021, 11:52:17 PM
Watch the whole goddamn thing for fuckssake. It's only 40 mins. Your failure to do this has Twit 2 very disappointed in you, I don't think he would mind me confiding.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 31, 2021, 12:02:33 AM
I intend to watch it tomorrow when I've had some sleep, you motherfucker.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on July 31, 2021, 12:23:43 AM
it's really funny (not deso-funny like Starmer's labour party)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 31, 2021, 08:27:52 AM
Quote
fabergé eggs

Dogergé eggs more like
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 31, 2021, 08:36:09 AM
lol

Quote
Keir Starmer seeks billionaire cash as Labour struggles to pay staff

Sir Keir Starmer has spoken to a billionaire property developer and a member of the Sainsbury family
PETER MORRISON
George Grylls, Political Reporter | Eleni Courea, Political Reporter
Friday July 30 2021, 8.00pm, The Times
Sir Keir Starmer is trying to persuade wealthy donors, including the founder of the outsourcing company Capita, to donate money in an effort to repair the Labour Party’s finances as staff threaten strike action.

The Labour leader has spoken to a member of the Sainsbury family and to a billionaire property developer as staff at the party HQ face redundancy.

Others who are being asked for donations include an heiress to the Tetra Pak fortune, the granddaughter of the founder of River Island, and the former executive chairman of Capita.

Fran Perrin, a member of the Sainsbury clan, gave the party £250,000 in May
Fran Perrin, a member of the Sainsbury clan, gave the party £250,000 in May
The push for donors comes after Labour received its largest private gift since 2017 this year. Fran Perrin, the millionaire daughter of Lord Sainsbury of Turville, donated £250,000 in May.

The party has only one month’s wages left in its reserves. David Evans, the party’s general secretary, told staff of job cuts at a meeting last week at which he cited the mounting costs of legal cases and declining membership. The party has lost 120,000 members since Starmer became leader last year. Staff are being offered voluntary redundancy packages of four weeks’ pay for every year worked and are discussing potential strike action depending on the outcome of further meetings with management.

One member of staff said: “Usually loyal staff are talking about strike action. People are asking about why top-level appointments have been made in the last fortnight — clearly high-paid jobs — whilst the grunts are being thrown to the wall.”

Starmer’s office has appointed Sam White, a former adviser to the former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling, as its new chief of staff.

The Labour leader will use the summer months to tour a host of towns in the North and Midlands in an attempt to reconnect the party to voters it lost in 2019.

Starmer will also be approaching donors including Mark Pears, a property developer, and Dr Anna Lisbet Rausing, an heiress to the Tetra Pak fortune. Sir Trevor Chinn is a businessman and Sir Rod Aldrige is the founder of Capita. Dale Vince, the founder of Ecotricity, and Lily Lewis, the granddaughter of the founder of River Island, are among others who are being lined up for donations. Vince has donated £50,000 this year and Chinn has given £10,000.

In recent weeks Starmer has overseen a shake-up of his top team, replacing a host of key advisers. Chris Ward, Starmer’s deputy chief of staff and speechwriter, is the latest to go, announcing his departure on Wednesday.

Sources suggest Uma Kumaran, an aide who briefs the Labour leader before his appearances at prime minister’s questions, is being lined up to replace Ward.

Ben Nunn, the party’s former communications chief, has also quit Starmer’s top team while Baroness Chapman of Darlington, his political secretary, and Morgan McSweeney, his chief of staff, have both been moved to new positions.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 31, 2021, 09:06:49 AM
Well it's nice that we know who they'll be working for if they get into power.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 31, 2021, 09:10:32 AM
If they get the money.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 31, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Well, I for one would not put Fran Perrin in charge of sorting out an ISA. What a waste of 250k.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 31, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
If they get the money.

Probably even if they don't, on spec.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on July 31, 2021, 10:55:18 AM
Probably even if they don't, on spec.

I'm assuming they won't be working for anyone if the money's run out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 31, 2021, 10:59:17 AM
Don't want them working for me, either way.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on July 31, 2021, 11:49:21 AM
Crapita. Nice to have the grown-ups back in charge.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on July 31, 2021, 11:59:48 AM
I'm assuming they won't be working for anyone if the money's run out.

I also specified "if they get into power," which seems something of a long shot.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 31, 2021, 12:02:49 PM
I want to make Britain the best place for a billionaire to grow old in
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 31, 2021, 12:09:01 PM
If they get the money.

Even if they got a one-off bung from a deranged billionaire for £100k that’s hardly a long term solution is it? If they have 300 staff on payroll left (after the sackings), that would just allow them to stagger one more month (assuming avg salary of £3k a month). And that’s not including the redundancy payments they’re offering.

Would be better to have 20k members donating £5 a month because that’ll be recurring. Or maybe the 120k members that have left under Keith’s glorious reign, because that would give you 6x that income and you’d be laughing.

Forensic.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 31, 2021, 12:50:25 PM
TBH, I think Keith thought he'd be Prime Minister.  Not because of believing in Labour or wanting to make the world a better place or his fucking mission. 

Because he's been huffing his own farts that long, he thought he was a super fellow.  He thought, with the right paymaster standing behind him, he'd just cruise into number ten.  Never considered the idea that his paymasters might not give a rosy fuck about him or his darling career.  Might just be in it to make sure the Labour Party didn't have a socialist in charge for the next twenty. 

Fuck Keith the stupid greedy womble.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 31, 2021, 01:20:30 PM
More signs of a wonderful new Britain where we pop into the local arcade for a cuppa and to have our incomes siphoned off by a manipulative and cruel industry of pure profiteering

https://twitter.com/EmmaLewellBuck/status/1421168950038179848?s=19
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 31, 2021, 01:49:36 PM
Hard to believe that's real.  Meanwhile, stop and search continues to make sure no one thinks a cheeky blim is in any way normal, social or acceptable.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 31, 2021, 01:55:09 PM
That Labour MP has only responded to one of the critical tweets, and just to say "Hi I see you live down south..."

Her local CLP should deselect her immediately for the tweet endorsing gambling.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 31, 2021, 01:58:53 PM
It is weird though, right?  I mean there does seem to be a corporate momentum moving on the right of Labour, especially, to turn gambling into something entirely wholesome and a righteous way to spend your life and dwindling money.  Fuck the addiction.  It's almost like they've been taken over or at least infiltrated, by capitalist warmongering gangsters who don't give a fuck about anybody else.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on July 31, 2021, 02:18:42 PM
It's all very simple...

Cannabis addiction - BAD
Gambling addiction - GOOD
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 31, 2021, 02:26:33 PM
gambling shops in the north are niiiice
they ask after your kids and wiiife
and when you've had a good chinwag
they give you change in a plastic bag
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 31, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
It is weird though, right?  I mean there does seem to be a corporate momentum moving on the right of Labour, especially, to turn gambling into something entirely wholesome and a righteous way to spend your life and dwindling money.  Fuck the addiction.  It's almost like they've been taken over or at least infiltrated, by capitalist warmongering gangsters who don't give a fuck about anybody else.

I agree, and I think the Labour right were like this during the Blair era as well with plans for super casinos etc.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 31, 2021, 02:58:13 PM
Yeah.  Disgusting parasites.

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/29/19/labour-corbyn-watson.jpg?width=982&height=726&auto=webp&quality=75)

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/17/tom-watson-job-adviser-paddy-power-betfair-gambling-former-labour-mp
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/05/gambling-industry-chief-accused-mocking-recovering-addict-twitter/  - Michael Dugher
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/15/nine-mps-free-euro-2020-tickets-gambling-companies - Toby Perkins, Mark Tami
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 31, 2021, 06:25:36 PM
I have long wondered whether there might have been some weird professional triangulation going on regarding the betting industry...

Zarb-Cousins was very close to Corbyn, a former addict, a very vocal opponent of the industry, and he stepped down to start an anti-gambling thing. To this day, I can't think of anyone in public life who has been as vocally and ferociously anti-gambling as Zarb. The industry must have been absolutely shitting themselves at the prospect of a Corbyn government.

Fast forward a couple of years are more than one Labour wrecker (most famously Tom Watson) steps out of politics and into a plush gambling industry job? Funny that.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on July 31, 2021, 06:44:20 PM
Congratulating Boris Johnson having a child? You might as well clap at the full moon for orbiting the Earth.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1421512597040517131

As noted in the QTs, he's quicker to support this cunt than any of his own MPs.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on July 31, 2021, 06:54:49 PM
Was just with the vicar of locally-sourced roast chicken fame this afternoon. One mention of the LP and he was hyperventilating and on the edge of tears.

'I don't want to be anywhere near it. I don't want to have anything to do with it.'

It is a very sick joke that's being played on us. (Is what I said.)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 31, 2021, 07:14:36 PM
Congratulating Boris Johnson having a child? You might as well clap at the full moon for orbiting the Earth.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1421512597040517131

As noted in the QTs, he's quicker to support this cunt than any of his own MPs.

Love all the centerist melts in the replies who think life is an episode of The West Wing saying what Starmer did "was the decent thing" and how dare people criticise it.

Imagine having Johnson as your father.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 31, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
How many kids does Johnson have? He's like Charlemagne... Give it 200 years and half tge fucking pkanet will be able to trade their family tree back to him. He must be the most fertile man on the planet.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on July 31, 2021, 11:23:54 PM
Was just with the vicar of locally-sourced roast chicken fame this afternoon. One mention of the LP and he was hyperventilating and on the edge of tears.

'I don't want to be anywhere near it. I don't want to have anything to do with it.'

It is a very sick joke that's being played on us. (Is what I said.)

Not especially apropos of anything, why are you being nice to this vicar?  Does he have access to a particularly interesting orgel or are you just incredibly humane?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 01, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
Does one have to be incredibly humane to be nice to a vicar? You'd like his sermons. One he did was about the shepherds being homeless and of lowest possible class in society so that Jesus's veneration of the good shepherd was a clever piece of class inversion.

His organ is in a church in a poor part of town and it is an absolute pile of shit and falling to pieces.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 01, 2021, 12:27:08 AM
His organ is in a church in a poor part of town and it is an absolute pile of shit and falling to pieces.

I bet it is the dirty old bollocks I bet it fucking is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 01, 2021, 09:38:47 AM
It is weird though, right?  I mean there does seem to be a corporate momentum moving on the right of Labour, especially, to turn gambling into something entirely wholesome and a righteous way to spend your life and dwindling money.  Fuck the addiction.  It's almost like they've been taken over or at least infiltrated, by capitalist warmongering gangsters who don't give a fuck about anybody else.

Cup of tea and a natter?

Bingo has been doing it for years.

Except back in the day it was genuinely a place for social cohesion (much prefer the back garden fence or the lido). Then MEGABINGO happened and we were all snared, the desperate and the blue-haired.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: BlodwynPig on August 01, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
Not especially apropos of anything, why are you being nice to this vicar?  Does he have access to a particularly interesting orgel or are you just incredibly humane?

I think I've met him, he's a very very nice man.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 11:17:31 AM
What kind of "very nice man" demands you kill the fatted chicken?

Something to ponder whilst its poor sad face stares up at you from the bin.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 01, 2021, 12:16:24 PM
What kind of "very nice man" demands you kill the fatted chicken?

Something to ponder whilst its poor sad face stares up at you from the bin.

u ok hun x
Title: A very nice man said that, allegedly
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 12:56:36 PM
Heheh.  Proverbs 24:14.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 01, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
Is there really wisdom to be found in a roast chicken? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 02:18:00 PM
Don't ask questions to which you already have the answer.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41308000/jpg/_41308572_chickentin300.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: DrGreggles on August 01, 2021, 02:46:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iMsyO7d.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 01, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
now this IS funny

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7tYDGuXoAIvij2?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Quote on August 01, 2021, 05:03:38 PM
He then followed up with this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7tme17XEAIWTpk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Cursus on August 01, 2021, 05:04:13 PM
And then this:

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSNg0k3K/Screenshot-2021-08-01-170227.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 01, 2021, 05:06:37 PM
Ah man, he put the accent over the U and everything

Sometimes a guy just can’t catch a break
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 01, 2021, 05:23:16 PM
Jesus Christ he's a dreadful idiot.  And yet he's an MP - a fucking Labour MP.  I know we've known he's an awful tosser for years but still, right wing sell-out or no, he just doesn't have the intelligence.  No one that dim should be representing the voices of fifty thousand people.  And that hammer thing, like please let me be a victim here.  Fuck off.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Official_portrait_of_Chris_Bryant_crop_2.jpg/220px-Official_portrait_of_Chris_Bryant_crop_2.jpg)
Awful idiot
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 01, 2021, 05:32:06 PM
Bryant: and another thing: im not owned. please dont put in the newspaper that i got owned.

The Independent: https://www.indy100.com/politics/chris-bryant-peru-alan-macleod-b1894704?

Quote
A Labour MP challenged a Latin America lecturer on Peruvian politics - and got promptly owned
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on August 01, 2021, 10:14:05 PM
And then this:

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSNg0k3K/Screenshot-2021-08-01-170227.jpg)

Fuck me, that's hillarious
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on August 01, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
That’s up there with Thangam’s get in the sea debacle.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 01, 2021, 11:06:41 PM
The banality of evil.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 02, 2021, 12:11:19 AM
The gift that keeps giving...

Quote from: Chris Bryant @RhonddaBryant
Yes @AlanRMacLeod And I worked in a pueblo joven in Comas in Lima and for a human rights organisation in Buenos Aires where my friends were tortured and was thrown out of Chile by Pinochet.
12:16 pm · 1 Aug 2021

https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1421791879029575682
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 02, 2021, 12:13:51 AM
Oof! He's getting absolutely bodied.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7tV3oHXIAQuYbc?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1421824763673067522
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: DrGreggles on August 02, 2021, 07:31:52 AM
Quote
I heard you were caught fingering Llamas

Sometimes these Twitter threads are worth a scroll.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 02, 2021, 10:28:49 AM
That’s up there with Thangam’s get in the sea debacle.

I can't believe a) that she got the police to investigate the student who posted that and b) that she was re-elected in a landslide in my constituency after.

Fucking Labour, man. I can't wait for 90% of them to die of death.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 02, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
For the benefit of Avon and Somerset Constabulary, that constitutes a 'death wish', not a 'death threat'
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 02, 2021, 10:52:44 AM
I can't believe a) that she got the police to investigate the student who posted that and b) that she was re-elected in a landslide in my constituency after.

Fucking Labour, man. I can't wait for 90% of them to die of death.

One of the really sad things about Labour, isn't it?  Utterly awful right wing cunts like Debbonnaire can rely on the old solidarity, left wingers in Bristol, stepping up for the Cause, absolutely.  But when they've had your vote, they'll fuck you over and sell you out, soon as look at you, solidarity to them is a dirty word.  They're parasites.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 02, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
There needs to be some proper analysis on how this corruption has arisen and how it can be stopped from happening again, assuming there's ever a chance to rebuild. There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 02, 2021, 11:06:01 AM
That's true.

I think one of the things that really changed my political outlook over the last few years was becoming more aware of the underlying logic of that behaviour.

Meaning - if a party knows it can really on your vote because you consider it the 'least-worst' option, there's zero impetus for them ever to offer you anything. In the two-party gridlock, all they have to do is be 1% less monstrous than the other side and that's enough to instigate an emotional and moral blackmail for your vote.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 02, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
I think the two party hegemoney is one of the factors that creates this dynamic.

In multi-party systems like the Netherlands or Germany, this type of logic is far less at play. Not absent, but less strong on a national level.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 02, 2021, 12:04:45 PM
There needs to be some proper analysis on how this corruption has arisen and how it can be stopped from happening again, assuming there's ever a chance to rebuild. There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?

I think there are myriad reasons, off the back of a fag packet, I'd say that there have always been awful predatory cunts in humanity.  You get them in childrens homes, refugee camps, in charities, anywhere where you'd believe a monster would not dare to tread.  I think many of them target those super-humane banners because it gives them extra power to play their own games.  So there's that, also think where there's muck, there's brass and Labour, by its interest in improving the lot of the exploited becomes a natural target for those on the side of the bosses, the weak are bought.  Also, the good old boys' network, you don't have to even be a boy or an alumni, just an obedient member who shakes the right hands.  Once they have their gatekeepers bought, the rest falls easily.

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03334/rexfeatures_400051_3334178b.jpg)

And, let's be honest, these awful cunts have passed for human for decades, think of Watson.  Creeping on, just below the water line.  It's only this latest push into extreme behaviour, brought about, IMO, by their paymasters' absolute panic that Corbyn might get power, that has forced them to walk so openly in plain sight.  Maybe the difference is, in many other countries, the Establishment has not been pushed as hard yet.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zero Gravitas on August 02, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?

Wouldn't it be terrifying if the majority of politically conscious workers found that their views were quite satisfactorily reflected by the Labour Party?

Read that either way and it works.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 03, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
https://www.socialist.net/apsana-begum-trial.htm

Interesting reading.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 03, 2021, 10:48:45 AM
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/kkfx-a02.html

I know those of us love fruity, spicy takes and the WSWS provides some absolute belters. They can't stand Corbyn and he is complicit in mass murder and unswerving allegiance to the right wing of the Tory party. This is through the keyhole and into one's own ringpiece.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 03, 2021, 11:06:05 AM
We could always read The S*n instead

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2021/08/wes-streetings-sun-shame.html?m=1
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 03, 2021, 11:13:34 AM
God he is such a smug unprincipled bucket of piss
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 03, 2021, 12:55:41 PM
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/kkfx-a02.html

I know those of us love fruity, spicy takes and the WSWS provides some absolute belters. They can't stand Corbyn and he is complicit in mass murder and unswerving allegiance to the right wing of the Tory party. This is through the keyhole and into one's own ringpiece.

I like how their conclusion isn't that people should join the Socialist Equality Party, but that they should send them an email.

Scripps stood in 2019 for the SEP.

On the other hand, I though this was a good article by  Thomas Scripps for WSWS: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/13/mich-j13.html
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 03, 2021, 01:19:25 PM
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1422522446700335107

lock them up! lock them all up! lock everybody up!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 03, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: Wes Streeting MP@wesstreeting
It’s time, once again, to get tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime

Time, once again, because it went so awfully well all the times before.  Fucking charlatan.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Quote on August 03, 2021, 01:30:14 PM
It’s time once again to go through the vanishingly small repertoire of political strategies we’ve deemed acceptable. And if it doesn’t work, well tough shit, that’s all you’re gonna get.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 03, 2021, 01:34:47 PM
That's the utterly soul-draining thing about it isn't it?  This rosy-cheeked nit-wit poncing about telling you that the butter him and his mates have been selling to you at exorbitant prices for the last two or three generations, will actually cure your poor baldy pate if you rub in on every fucking day.  And them expecting you to just go, Righto! Ta, you marvelous fucking egg! and cough up again.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Quote on August 03, 2021, 01:44:34 PM
It’s why they’re so focused to winning back the red wall pensioners, as they’re the ones most likely to respond to the kind of politics they like doing anyway, and would keep doing even if no one voted for it.

“Wes Streeting is writing a column in the Sun - see purity politics lefty trot crank scum, he’s serious about getting elected, willing to make the sacrifices, reaching out to the voters...” No, Wes would be writing about locking them up and throwing away the key in the pages of the Sun anyway, he’s spent the last few years stewing in his own juices that he hasn’t been able to do so.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on August 03, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
Have they started saying it's time to send all the immigrants back yet?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 03, 2021, 04:08:10 PM
I like how their conclusion isn't that people should join the Socialist Equality Party, but that they should send them an email.

Scripps stood in 2019 for the SEP.

On the other hand, I though this was a good article by  Thomas Scripps for WSWS: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/13/mich-j13.html

WSWS oscillate between fantastic and ludicrously arch and pathetic, pretty much the only reason why I follow them is they are never dull and you get the envelope pushed further left than the likes of Novara dare to go (outside of academic discussions).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on August 03, 2021, 08:39:26 PM
Tough on Crime, Tough on the Causes of Crime.  But not that tough on thr Causes of Crime, if we're honest.  We're in the same ideological lane as the causes of crime.  When you think about it, if we were tough on the causes of crime, that'd make being tough on crime redundant, really.

Ahhh 1999...
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 03, 2021, 08:45:51 PM
Someone like Streeting saying they will "get tough on the causes of crime" is meaningless unless they say what they believe the causes of crime actually are. There are many different reasons why crimes take place and sometimes there isn't a discernible reason, but there are clearly things that can be done in the short and long term to reduce the risk of crime. However, I wouldn't trust Starmar to implement them.

Two ways of reducing crime are to make sure that people don't have to steal to make ends meet and to give people things to do. Buying up land to convert into sports pitches for local state schools and local communities would be one idea (a tax on golf clubs could help fund this).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Consignia on August 03, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
Starmer: Tough on four, tough on the clauses of four
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 03, 2021, 09:33:09 PM
Fucking guarantee that poverty is not a cause of crime in their eyes.

Or greed for that matter.

Both are essential to a thriving society only the posturing hard-left would pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 03, 2021, 09:44:39 PM
Tough on Crime, Tough on the Causes of Crime.  But not that tough on thr Causes of Crime, if we're honest.  We're in the same ideological lane as the causes of crime.  When you think about it, if we were tough on the causes of crime, that'd make being tough on crime redundant, really.

Ahhh 1999...

I know Prince went through some experimental phases but this is a bit weird
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 04, 2021, 11:22:44 AM
Lmao cunt thinks he's Tony Benn

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1422850284569735171

Not that Benn was perfect, but also I don't think he ever had a column in The Sun and it's not clear where that quote is sourced from
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Thomas on August 04, 2021, 11:28:19 AM
it's not clear where that quote is sourced from

It's from one of Benn's diaries (https://books.google.ie/books?id=Rvy6KJQrITsC&pg=PA609&lpg=PA609&dq=%22I+don%27t+want+to+be+known+as+a+sun+columnist.%22&source=bl&ots=Axe7bHJzds&sig=ACfU3U2pE85LM5l1OQ5CyRrhadBfJxr7mA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicmPnxk5fyAhXQEcAKHWp-BcQQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=%22I%20don't%20want%20to%20be%20known%20as%20a%20sun%20columnist.%22&f=false).

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 04, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
It's almost as if he were invoking the beliefs of some sort of cult, rather than responding to very real concerns over paldom with The Cunt Murdoch and his filthy organ, The Sun.

(https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/GOAL/7b/b8/jft96-dont-buy-the-sun_5ac81dag2h4m177zlfp6srhde.png?t=1278479454&quality=60&w=700)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 04, 2021, 11:38:11 AM
It's from one of Benn's diaries (https://books.google.ie/books?id=Rvy6KJQrITsC&pg=PA609&lpg=PA609&dq=%22I+don%27t+want+to+be+known+as+a+sun+columnist.%22&source=bl&ots=Axe7bHJzds&sig=ACfU3U2pE85LM5l1OQ5CyRrhadBfJxr7mA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicmPnxk5fyAhXQEcAKHWp-BcQQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=%22I%20don't%20want%20to%20be%20known%20as%20a%20sun%20columnist.%22&f=false).


thanks. although they left out the point where he said he'd think about it then didnt do it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 04, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
The only left-wing Labour MP I know who wrote for the Sun was Ken Livingstone. He began a column in the Sun in 1991, not sure when it ended.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 04, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
I guess Livingstone's political career has ended so he'll go anywhere that'll massage his ego for a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 04, 2021, 12:45:22 PM
thanks. although they left out the point where he said he'd think about it then didnt do it

Why not, out of interest?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 04, 2021, 12:55:02 PM
What the quoter or Tony Benn?

I would never work with the Sun on the principle that they are callously exploitative and fully intent on begging their readership not to vote for Corbyn or even Neil Kinnock as soon as an election comes, and then gloat how they've brilliantly made the country that little bit nastier.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 04, 2021, 04:24:09 PM
I meant why did Benn decide against it in the end - I'm surprised he even thought about it tbh - he was probably shocked to be asked!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 05, 2021, 09:59:01 AM
There needs to be some proper analysis on how this corruption has arisen and how it can be stopped from happening again, assuming there's ever a chance to rebuild. There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?

Still thinking about this - people could do worse than watch Days of Hope by the irreplaceable Mr Ken Loach (PBUH), it gives some thoughts about what the Labour Party is and has been and the unions too.  It's not all just beer and skittles.  Find it on youtube here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u019DvYjY4), you need to watch all four. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 05, 2021, 10:55:18 AM
The death of John Smith - although it's very rarely talked about these days - was a massive, pivotal event in British politics.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on August 05, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
I think the average person under 40 wouldn't know who John Smith was.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 05, 2021, 11:13:30 AM
I don't know enough about him to form a true opinion.  He wasn't mates (at least publicly) with Blair but he was accepted by Kinnock and I believe, was expected to leave with the SDP breakaway (which implies he was fairly right of centre).  His death, perhaps, allows a lot of mythologising about what he might have been or done but that's because we can all choose what would've happened next, rather than being horrified or delighted.

I also think there was rot in Labour almost from the off (and the unions) because greedy unprincipled people are everywhere and always have been.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 05, 2021, 11:49:52 AM
I don’t remember anything about him at all tbh. All I remember is somebody coming into a maths lesson telling us he was dead.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 05, 2021, 12:16:45 PM
I would add, in that Loachie Days of Hope quartet I mentioned, I think in part 3, 1924, there's a conversation about statistics coming out of newly revolutionised Russia - they speak about the numbers of workers running factories and other newly taken over businesses - from memory, something like - two thirds of new managers were from the working class in (I'm guessing) 1922, one third were old bosses. 

The following year, it was reversed, two thirds were old ruling class managers, only one third were working class BUT the number of Party members in that tranche of ex-ruling class managers went through the roof.  The unspoken conclusion being, the ruling class subverts revolution to regain control by any and all means necessary, including joining the Communist Party.  The Party allows this because maintaining control and power, rather than socialist revolution and the welfare of the People, has become primary.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 05, 2021, 12:37:04 PM
Would've helped if he didn't have such a shit name really
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 05, 2021, 02:03:46 PM
A man who wanted to do a bit of prime ministering without his wife finding out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 05, 2021, 02:05:02 PM
Heheh.  Superb one.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 05, 2021, 02:16:27 PM
I think the average person under 40 wouldn't know who John Smith was.

disney fans
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 05, 2021, 02:43:30 PM
I think the average person under 40 wouldn't know who John Smith was.

The Peter Kay adverts weren't quite that long ago.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: suelgi on August 05, 2021, 03:13:55 PM
“objectively the best candidate for prime minister for an opposition party since 2005”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/14/angela-rayner-comes-out-on-top-after-spat-with-keir-starmer-labour-reshuffle
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 05, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
the guardian
'we do truth' — Polly Toynbee
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 05, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
Angela Rayner - a gobshite in gobshite's shoes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 05, 2021, 03:43:21 PM
i like the "for an opposition party" as if Cameron was better
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on August 05, 2021, 07:31:26 PM
“objectively the best candidate for prime minister for an opposition party since 2005”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/14/angela-rayner-comes-out-on-top-after-spat-with-keir-starmer-labour-reshuffle

"Objectively." The sad thing is, they really believe that.

Note: "the best candidate for PM for an opposition party since 2005" implies that they think the LOTO until 2005 was better than Starmer. But "Not as good a candidate for PM as Michael Howard" wouldn't play as well.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 05, 2021, 07:34:38 PM
A man who wanted to do a bit of prime ministering without his wife finding out.

He might have been exiled to Earth by the Time Lords
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 05, 2021, 08:39:46 PM
From the FT

Quote
Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy as he vows to win the next election

I think, if you use the twitter link it should let you through the paywall:
https://twitter.com/ftukpolitics/status/1423359225053466626

doesn't look like he wants scottish votes any time soon
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 05, 2021, 08:40:37 PM
lmao

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8DQRqfWYAEHzEg?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ftukpolitics/status/1423359225053466626

https://archive.md/1wOyQ

sweating blood to turning inside out is it? quite an escalation
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: lipsink on August 05, 2021, 08:52:08 PM
What's next? Shitting sweat?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 05, 2021, 08:53:33 PM
THIS PARTY IS ABOUT SHOOTING BLOOD OUT OF YOUR COCK

edit should probably leave such obscure references to the death metal thread
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 05, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
Does that mean re-invading Iraq is a policy now?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 05, 2021, 09:42:00 PM
lmao

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8DQRqfWYAEHzEg?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ftukpolitics/status/1423359225053466626

https://archive.md/1wOyQ

sweating blood to turning inside out is it? quite an escalation

Quote
As part of his new approach, he said Labour would develop an economic message based on reprioritising government spending — rather than making big additional commitments — and developing a “partnership” between business and an “active government”.

Quote
He believes Britain would eventually tire of Johnson. “Over the last two or three months people have started to see the prime minister for who he is,” he said.

Inspiring stuff!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 05, 2021, 09:55:54 PM
Does that mean re-invading Iraq is a policy now?

If he gets into power, absolutely.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 05, 2021, 09:57:24 PM
Inspiring stuff!

It's also contradicting stuff that was in the news just yesterday.


"Keir Starmer says Labour will not support proposed Cambo oilfield as party lays out £30bn green jobs plan"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/04/labour-calls-for-hard-edged-end-date-for-oil-and-gas-exploration

and to a lesser-extent:
"Keir Starmer backs Corbyn’s pledge to cut ‘substantial majority’ of greenhouse gas by 2030 Exclusive: Commitment to Green New Deal ‘as strong now as ever’, says Labour leader"
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/keir-starmer-climate-change-2030-b1896169.html

Seems like a big commitment/spend?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on August 05, 2021, 10:03:49 PM
How many relaunches is that now? Double figures I’m thinking.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 05, 2021, 10:06:14 PM
can they even be considered relaunches if fuck all actually happens between them?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 05, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
Not true that nothing happens in the meantime. They lose a load of council by-elections with only double digits voting Labour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 05, 2021, 10:14:26 PM
Whenever I read a new exciting new slogan from Labour I just hear a quiet wet farting sound somewhere in the distance.

Embrace Blair. Embrace Hilary. Embrace. Travis. Keane. Who fucking cares anymore?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 05, 2021, 10:23:09 PM
The slogans are like dirt accumulating under the nails on a gangrenous hand.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 05, 2021, 10:42:44 PM
unless you're campaigning up Andrew Adonis's bumhole, Blair is not a good thing to run on
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 05, 2021, 11:05:33 PM
where does this cunt find those support groups
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: peanutbutter on August 05, 2021, 11:13:18 PM
They're genuinely gonna use D:Ream as the campaign theme song when the election does come around, aren't they?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 05, 2021, 11:14:17 PM
oasis-blur mashup, keeping everyone happpy
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Quote on August 05, 2021, 11:22:08 PM
Quote
Starmer said “Labour only ever wins if it glimpses the future”

lol
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 05, 2021, 11:25:37 PM
oasis-blur mashup, keeping everyone happpy

Little pinch of Skrewdriver, get the red wall back on board.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 05, 2021, 11:35:35 PM
FOOT FOOT FOOT KICK BALL GOOOOOAL!!!!

(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2Fbd9fc834-0be3-494d-8713-73b7299eeccd.jpg?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 05, 2021, 11:42:37 PM
lol

I have seen the future, brother, it is murder
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 05, 2021, 11:56:38 PM
oasis-blur mashup, keeping everyone happpy

And expel anyone who prefers Pavement:.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 06, 2021, 12:47:49 AM
Can anyone explain what's been going on with Rachel Swindon, Ed Poole and that racist monkey account?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 12:59:19 AM
Link?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 06, 2021, 07:11:51 AM
Twitter really does enrich the world doesnt it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: monkfromhavana on August 06, 2021, 08:16:37 AM
If he thinks Tony Blair is so great, why doesn't Starmer just step aside for him? I'm sure Blair's messiah complex would mean he would accept in a shot.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 06, 2021, 08:18:37 AM
He needs a seat first. And Sedgefield's gone Tory
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 06, 2021, 08:19:25 AM
I'm just glad the Labour Party's not a cult any longer.  Phewee.

(https://mediacloud.theweek.co.uk/image/private/s--X-WVjvBW--/f_auto,t_content-image-full-desktop@1/v1620398673/theweek/2021/05/Tony%20Blair.jpg)
What Britain needs now
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 06, 2021, 10:24:08 AM
Link?

There's no link as such, just a couple of supposedly leftwing accounts being incredibly foul. Posting banana emojis on black people's feeds and some really nasty bits of ablism. I think RS is supporting them and there's loads of doxxing going on and people theorising why some left-wing twitter person was placed in a secure unity when she(?) was younger. I've only heard one side of it as I don't follow Swindon any more and am unsure of the context.

There's a potted history here but it's really unpleasant and you're possibly better off not knowing anything about it.

https://twitter.com/BlackHistory99/status/1396435338063663106
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 06, 2021, 10:30:02 AM
I think so.  Probably a good opportunity for me to force anyone who hasn't already to watch lovely Ronan Burtenshaw talking.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snpuJ0Bk88o  You need to watch the whole sixteen minutes to see the connection.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 10:40:07 AM
I flicked through the tweets. There's a bit of a lack of perspective. Some of the things posted are genuinely fucking awful. Some of them are merely crass. Some of them are slightly bad if you squint at them and imagine the very worst of the author.

All we're told about Rachel Swindon is that she had retweeted one or two, and I don't know from which category.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 06, 2021, 10:45:23 AM
Seen more than one person on left-twitter who I don't think are closely related claim Swindon has a habit of getting other people to do her dirty work when it comes to harassment. I haven't seen it personally but I don't really have any reason to disbelieve people either.

Thread here from someone claiming to be on the receiving end:
https://twitter.com/thetwerkinggirl/status/1415356652858007560
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 10:49:58 AM
Ok I got as far as the picture of the hippo and I can't work out what's going on, and don't care. Swindon a cunt? Right fine that's her gone cheers
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 11:06:35 AM
Right. Look here:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E28oNetWQAAXlQy?format=jpg&name=900x900)

This is from that mega thread. This is not a racist statement. It states that not all claims of racism are valid, which to my mind at least, is true. You can come to your own position on whether this is true, but agreeing with it is not equivalent to being racist.

But here's the message it comes with from the megathread by Malick:

Quote
@PhilipProudfoot
 do you condemn this from members of your party? Dismissing real racism (as per this thread documenting evidence) as “false allegations” and “claims”?

This is bad for two reasons.

First, it implies that Proudfoot is racist by not condemning a non-racist message. He (Malick) is trying to bully Proudfoot—who, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with the rozzleberry, except for the NIP colours in her profile—into conceding to Malick's demands: 'Agree with me, or you'll be next!'. Bad enough.

Second, if you find the original tweet, you'll find that it's in reply to a statement about why leftists don't call out racist language of the sort 'bounty' and 'coconut'.  So it's not AT ALL about the other racism documented in the thread. Indeed if you look at rozzleberry's profile, arguably she is guilty of baying with the mob as much as anyone, but even that isn't enough for Malick.

Yes, it's a quagmire of shit. Genuine racism, racist-adjacent statements, non-racist statements portrayed as racist, and then hysterical demands that everyone call out everything they see or that they will be hounded by a baying mob.

I can forgive some misplaced loyalty from Rachel Swindon if that's what's happened. But I haven't seen any evidence of even that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 06, 2021, 11:11:58 AM
You really should watch that Burtenshaw vid.  Just as we have an infestation of capitalist lackeys (trying to be nice here) in the Labour Party, on the Left, we have a mega infestation of gatekeeping arseholes who see their main role, their status, in the struggle to be that of compliance officers, making sure that the special words and ideas are carried high in front and that all questioners, all heretics, anyone who makes a false fucking move or is even rumoured to have made one, is immediately pilloried and killed.  This is not socialism.

Antisemitism, remember.  Who could forget?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 11:18:21 AM
Seen more than one person on left-twitter who I don't think are closely related claim Swindon has a habit of getting other people to do her dirty work when it comes to harassment. I haven't seen it personally but I don't really have any reason to disbelieve people either.

Thread here from someone claiming to be on the receiving end:
https://twitter.com/thetwerkinggirl/status/1415356652858007560

Turned sour rather quickly then:

Quote
Rachael Swindon Cult member 069 -
@Rachael_Swindon
·
Dec 21, 2020
Replying to
@thetwerkinggirl
Thanks Ava, Merry Christmas to you and yours xx

What this is doing to us right now is a major part of the problem. We're now all engaged in detective work to discover if Rachel Swindon really is a racist, or if she sent recordings about a dead child to someone. I mean, for fuckssake, really? Do we really believe this? And how is thetwerkinggirl supposed to know this unless she's listened to it, which she hasn't.

If you spent time tunnelling through all this absolute bullshit you'd get nothing else done.

CONDEMN! SHAME! CALL OUT!

People might have more luck burning down some buildings if they things to change. This is mindless.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 06, 2021, 11:20:39 AM
You appear to be telling me off for posting information about people telling off people for not telling off people, despite someone on here specifically asking about it.

I can't be bothered to make an opinion on it, I don't really see any benefit in being near them either.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
You appear to be telling me off for posting information about people telling off people for not telling off people, despite someone on here specifically asking about it.

I can't be bothered to make an opinion on it, I don't really see any benefit in being near them either.

Yes. The internet appears to have done this to us. Let's just drop some acid and hope it all sorts itself out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Old Nehamkin on August 06, 2021, 12:10:44 PM
lmao

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8DQRqfWYAEHzEg?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ftukpolitics/status/1423359225053466626

It is now quite bleakly funny to remember that period between the 2019 GE and the subsequent Labour leadership contest when the UK left were so utterly cowed and shellshocked that even in relatively Corbyn-friendly spaces it was difficult to posit that Starmer and his allies were insincere about their professed socialist agenda without being treated as an alarmist crank or a hopeless dead-ender. The prevailing wind among the softer left types was that while it was obviously necessary for the party to make some hard-hearted, pragmatic presentational changes to Become Electable, it was naïve and unfounded to believe that the right of the party were poised to freeze the left out from influence and turn the clock back to the pre-Corbyn era, or that the party membership would ever allow such a thing to happen. Funny how things turn out.

Got to say though I'm surprised myself at just how far they're trying to turn that clock back. I was expecting a limp return to the Miliband era, not a full-on explicit re-assertion of Blairism with restored Mandelson included. Putting aside all questions of ideology or ethics, it is hard to overstate how completely devoid of basic creativity and inspiration these people are, or how single-minded is their addict-like yearning to recreate the conditions of 1997.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 06, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
It's cargo cultery. Future political science students will gape at us in bemused awe.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 06, 2021, 12:33:26 PM
Maybe.  I think there's a streak of authoritarianism and love of status running through the human condition like shitstain.  It manifests particularly regrettably whenever a chance of happiness, safety or peace seems possible.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 12:35:30 PM
It's the banality that most drives me insane. This isn't authoritarianism to ensure allegiance to the USSR, it's authoritarianism to ensure allegiance to Tony fucking Blair. This is the extent of their aspiration.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 06, 2021, 12:36:47 PM
Right on cue:

SNP candidate Thomas Ullathorne has won the East Livingston and East Calder by-election, taking the historically Labour seat.

He was declared winner this morning after polling 1890 votes - 805 more than closest rival Conservative David Philip, who polled 1085 votes.


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/snp-takes-former-depute-provosts-24703095
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 06, 2021, 12:55:27 PM
Fucksakes. One of the truly galling things about these cunts hammering the 'worst election defeat since 1935' narrative is that it was them who presided over the loss of Scotland.

Still, at least Kieth won t᠎eh footie in Scotland, right?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 06, 2021, 12:58:49 PM
Seems like mandelson is back at the helm.

He couldn’t give two shits about organized labour in the UK but if he can get everyone to agree that Blairism is good he can repair his reputation, and command higher after dinner speaking fees because, remember, Blairism was good (look, people are still doing it today!) and he was the power behind the throne.

The fact that it is incredibly unpopular is a regrettable (but acceptable) price to pay.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 06, 2021, 12:59:19 PM
Fucksakes. One of the truly galling things about these cunts hammering the 'worst election defeat since 1935' narrative is that it was them who presided over the loss of Scotland.

Still, at least Kieth won The footie in Scotland, right?

it doesn't look like they'll be getting scotland back with their current union posturing. splits unionist/tory vote which makes the snp even more powerful. hardly seems like a sound tactic.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 06, 2021, 01:32:43 PM
Can anyone explain what's been going on with Rachel Swindon, Ed Poole and that racist monkey account?

Yeah, I'm not sure myself. I follow several people seemingly on both sides of the whole thing and haven't studied it closely but a lot of it seems to be six of one and half a dozen of the other. What I can't stand is those who go 'if you follow this person unfollow me.' Do not tell me what to do please. I'll follow who the fuck I want thanks. I rarely tweet anyway but the one and only time I defriended someone on Facebook because I was told I couldn't be friends with another person unless I did I felt absolutely shit about it. So no way is anyone getting me to do that ever again.

(Context: It was the ex-husband of a female friend who I defriended on the instructions of her new husband, with her agreeing that I - and all mutual contacts - should do it. However husband number two turned out to be a much bigger cunt than the first. Hubby 2 has now vanished without trace (but not before trying to claim he half-owned her house that she'd been paying a mortgage on for over a decade and he lived in for less than two years) and I'm now friends with Hubby 1 again)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 06, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
It was the ex-husband of a female friend who I defriended on the instructions of her new husband, with her agreeing that I - and all mutual contacts - should do it. However husband number two turned out to be a much bigger cunt than the first.

No shit!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 06, 2021, 02:29:42 PM
No shit!

i know! Life's full of totally unexpected things, isn't it?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 06, 2021, 05:35:16 PM
Fucksakes. One of the truly galling things about these cunts hammering the 'worst election defeat since 1935' narrative is that it was them who presided over the loss of Scotland.

Still, at least Kieth won t᠎eh footie in Scotland, right?

Another is, without all their work, it could never have been achieved.  And when you say that, they act like every single motherfucker in the room hasn't seen the fucking receipts.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 06, 2021, 07:22:36 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/06/labour-values-political-error-demands-politics-keir-starmer

This seems pretty perceptive to me.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 07, 2021, 02:03:23 PM
Another resignation in part due to Duffield
https://twitter.com/joerayment91/status/1423240346251800582

Props to them for the reasons they listed about Thagnam Debbonaire too.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
What is he achieving now other than being individually ethically pristine? They, the right, don't care, this is what they want the left to do, to leave for whatever varied reasons there are. Trans liberation is now marginally further away.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 07, 2021, 02:13:53 PM
So he should stay in what he sees as a institutionally transphobic organisation?

Duffield will be waving him goodbye and sarcastically blowing kisses. Why would you want to share a party with these people let alone work for them.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 07, 2021, 02:23:27 PM
it didn't take long for the adults in the room comment

Trans liberation is now marginally further away.

that's not how it works
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote
Duffield will be waving him goodbye and sarcastically blowing kisses. Why would you want to share a party with these people let alone work for them.

Because it is our party, not theirs. It's like objecting to the terms of eviction by moving out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 07, 2021, 02:45:57 PM
if he stayed in his position, without active sabotage, he would essentially be an enabler.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 02:47:41 PM
if he stayed in his position, without active sabotage, he would essentially be an enabler.


They can find an enabler any time they like. His replacement will be an enabler.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 07, 2021, 02:50:17 PM
but it won't be him, maybe he feels he can do more good outside the party?

for all the 'stay and fight' rhetoric, the biggest threat to these people and the existence of the party itself is not people like you inside the party 'fighting', it is them bankrupting the party and losing popularity due to their own hubris and lack of awareness.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 02:56:45 PM
That won't happen, when the Labour party has been emptied of its progressives and disarmed as a fighting force the money will come in from big business as they look to complete the project for Labour to become the US Democrats, a second wall of defence for the status quo.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 07, 2021, 03:59:56 PM
Well let them, if they can, let them sell what they're selling with a real contents label.  As long as decent people prop up the Party it enables them to use us when they want, and we know they do, our money, our time, our votes.  Time they stood on their own grown up feet and found out just how popular they are.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 07, 2021, 04:17:50 PM
If there’s one thing I hate, it’s people who are individually ethically pristine

Fucking cunts
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on August 07, 2021, 04:20:01 PM
think he's got it bad try being rosie duffield for a few hours!!!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 07:23:12 PM
If there’s one thing I hate, it’s people who are individually ethically pristine

Fucking cunts

Yep it certainly is strategically naive and unhelpful for achieving the goals they claim to care about*



*i do believe they care about those goals
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 07, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
In your opinion. 

If you believe it, if you believe we do care, why say that?  Just to hurt?  For effect?  Because you think what the situation requires is an injection of baseless aggression?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 07, 2021, 08:46:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8NiDy3XIAUULIq?format=jpg&name=small)

Quote
More stellar work from the comrades on The Guardian’s picture desk
https://twitter.com/emcnally96/status/1424089738923978757

I imagine it's hard to use photoshop in anything but a perfunctory manner with that melt as the main subject.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: canadagoose on August 07, 2021, 08:50:19 PM
it doesn't look like they'll be getting scotland back with their current union posturing. splits unionist/tory vote which makes the snp even more powerful. hardly seems like a sound tactic.
They know and don't care. It's the typical arrogance you get with the Blairites, except extended to "socialists" like Paul Sweeney and Neil Findlay. Neither of whom are in power any more. Will they learn? Will they buggery.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 07, 2021, 09:03:36 PM
What is it with this ‘Keith’ nonsense? It’s stupid. Attack him for issues and policy, not his name.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 07, 2021, 09:06:48 PM
What is it with this ‘Keith’ nonsense? It’s stupid. Attack him for issues and policy, not his name. “Ooh, he’s not pure enough to be called Keir so we’ll call him Keith”.

people are doing both though

It’s funny though

because it makes melts have strops
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 07, 2021, 09:13:43 PM
I feel like we've been through this before. 

Is it really enough, vein-popping outrage at people gently ripping the piss out of the cunt, by calling him Keith (https://twitter.com/theidsmiths/status/1333355057056780288?lang=en)?  Not as if we can attack his policies - he has none.  Except a policy of dividing and destroying the Labour Party and being nicer to the tories, for the sake of the country at this difficult time, than he is to many of his own members.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 07, 2021, 10:04:15 PM
Still hasn't made an effort to know what he thinks about the economy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8NsSHtXEAEuO2H?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1424100970880016386
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on August 07, 2021, 10:07:54 PM
I'm just glad the Labour Party's not a cult any longer.  Phewee.

(https://mediacloud.theweek.co.uk/image/private/s--X-WVjvBW--/f_auto,t_content-image-full-desktop@1/v1620398673/theweek/2021/05/Tony%20Blair.jpg)
What Britain needs now

Looks like Kevin Costner got in a teleporter with a heron
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 07, 2021, 10:11:49 PM
When he shows up you need to ring Tangina Barrons
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 07, 2021, 10:13:02 PM
Still hasn't made an effort to know what he thinks about the economy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8NsSHtXEAEuO2H?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1424100970880016386

I don't know but you know, when someone constantly says don't vote Labour because we're fucking shit.  Do not vote for us because we're not at all in touch with you.  Don't vote our way, we are fucking bigoted racists.  Don't give us a single vote, we despise the section of society you belong to.  Do not vote for us, we have no ideas or policies.  Don't vote for us, we can't be trusted on the economy and we don't even know what the fuck that is...

You start to wonder whether they have an agenda.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 07, 2021, 11:18:53 PM
What is it with this ‘Keith’ nonsense? It’s stupid. Attack him for issues and policy, not his name.

Kieth, ffs.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 07, 2021, 11:26:56 PM
Attack him for issues and policy

Er... we'll have to wait for those policies to attack, so in the meantime... Keith it is!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 07, 2021, 11:32:54 PM
What is it with this ‘Keith’ nonsense? It’s stupid. Attack him for issues and policy, not his name.

What is it with this shit, this nonentity, this failure to do even the most cursory glance around the place? Head back to twitter, the character limit will suit your capacity, not to mention the curdled remnant generator that produced you.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on August 08, 2021, 09:38:47 AM
Kieth has a birthday coming up; I guess we know what to get him.

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Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 08, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
I AM FED UP WITH THESE JOKES ABOUT MY ENORMOUS WRINKLY HAND. THE FIRST INSTANCE OCCURED ON THE NORTH PIER IN BLACKPOOL DURING MY EIGHTEENTH LEADERSHIP RELAUNCH
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 09:52:12 AM
BTW, Shoulders, prompted by you, I was still thinking about your amazing lightness of being pristine charge leveled at those who've heaved their cards onto the pyre - what is it about all the votes so far (that the disaffected have been scourged into staying for), what is it about the scores achieved, that makes you believe staying adds up?  May I respectfully suggest a glimpse of Keith's maths book after he's had a go?  If he's a sharer, of course.  Something tells me he may not be.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 08, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Lord Falconer of Thoroton, Robin Hood's Nemesis Tony Blair's former flatmate.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 10:17:12 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/07/no-strategy-labour-divided-ahead-of-party-conference-keir-starmer

A once more spectacular use of the term 'moderate'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Quote
that makes you believe staying adds up?

1. It is our party not theirs.
2. Leaving hastens the Lefts defeat and results in abandonment of the one significant UK political party over which they have influence
3. Staying allows their project to be challenged and gives you a voice.
4. Staying shows solidarity with good people fighting for a better party, many who have been through all this before.
5. Staying doesn't prevent members taking actions outside the party to further the cause

I am sorry if some people believe that socialism is about giving up and taking your ball home when you lose.

You've made your bed though and I've made mine, so why are we discussing this?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 08, 2021, 10:45:07 AM
One Trot faction,
Sitting in a hall.
One Trot faction,
Sitting in a hall
And if that Trot faction should have a nasty squall
There'll be two Trot factions
Sitting in a hall...
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 10:54:07 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/08/jeremy-corbyn-could-be-reinstated-as-labour-mp-under-leftwing-challenge-to-starmer
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 08, 2021, 11:01:41 AM

I am sorry if some people believe that socialism is about giving up and taking your ball home when you lose.



The arrogance. There's plenty of socialist activism going on outside of the shitty Labour Party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 11:13:42 AM
Indeed.

1. It is our party not theirs.
2. Leaving hastens the Lefts defeat and results in abandonment of the one significant UK political party over which they have influence
3. Staying allows their project to be challenged and gives you a voice.
4. Staying shows solidarity with good people fighting for a better party, many who have been through all this before.
5. Staying doesn't prevent members taking actions outside the party to further the cause

I am sorry if some people believe that socialism is about giving up and taking your ball home when you lose.

You've made your bed though and I've made mine, so why are we discussing this?

We're discussing it because you brought it up.  You popped up, had a pissy little dig and then, when you get some pushback, you ask why we're discussing it.  You're not obliged to do that, not if you don't want, you can accept other people make their own personal judgment and decision on this, this incredibly emotional subject, respect them as comrades, rather than divisively point-scoring (and doing Starmer's work for him).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
The arrogance. There's plenty of socialist activism going on outside of the shitty Labour Party.

Didn't say there wasn't, nor does the statement suggest so. We are talking about political power here.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 08, 2021, 11:22:29 AM
What's the bit about taking your ball home and giving up supposed to mean then?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 08, 2021, 11:34:41 AM
it's like 'throwing your toys out of the pram', an absolutely meaningless expression (and typical of centrists)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on August 08, 2021, 12:28:05 PM
Maybe if you all have the exact same argument for a millionth time you'll come up with some resolution.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
it's like 'throwing your toys out of the pram', an absolutely meaningless expression (and typical of centrists)

The bit in parenthesis doesn't spook me I'm afraid, what with 1) not being a centrist and 2) not feeling any truth to the association exists, much as you're trying.

The expression is not 'absolutely meaningless' or 'meaningless' (which would have sufficed, given it means the exact same thing). It's appropriate to apply to what's happening. It is understandable that the people who have made a decision on principle don't want to concede any tactical error, because, as I say, they have the benefit by withdrawing from the struggle for direction of the Labour Party of clean hands and knowing that they are no longer associated with something that appalls them so much and not having to sustain the sting of several defeats and knowing the adversary is gaining supremacy of the party. Hence 'taking your ball home'.

Meanwhile the rest of us have to try and continue that with fewer resources and weaker across all the votes and actions that steer the direction of the party. The patronising "we wish you well" messages that has been said to us several times can go do one.

A good reason to leave the Labour party is that you can't afford to pay the fee.



Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 08, 2021, 12:39:45 PM
Maybe if you all have the exact same argument for a millionth time you'll come up with some resolution.

High above us all, on Mount Olympus
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on August 08, 2021, 12:41:04 PM
I don't think it takes an ivory tower perspective to see this particular futility. By all means, carry on.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on August 08, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/07/no-strategy-labour-divided-ahead-of-party-conference-keir-starmer

Quote from: Delusionist
“It’s going to have to be the speech of his life,” the MP said. “He’s going to have to say to people: ‘I know you don’t think I’m up to it, but I am: and here’s why.’”

What is it with failing politicians and the belief that their fortunes can be reversed with a single speech? Teresa May seemed to think this, and we can see how well it worked out for her.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on August 08, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/08/jeremy-corbyn-could-be-reinstated-as-labour-mp-under-leftwing-challenge-to-starmer

Quote from: Another fuckwit
Senior party figures have long blamed Corbyn for leaving behind party structures that needed a lot of work to repair. “People underestimate just how much work we’ve had to do to fix things in the party,” said one key figure.

What did Corbyn break, exactly? My understanding is that he inherited a basket-case of a party, particularly around complaints-handling procedures, and left it in much the same state, perhaps slightly improved if anything. The question that no-one asks: given that these contentious procedures have existed for years, why didn't Miliband, Brown or Blair do anything about them?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 01:03:51 PM
What is it with failing politicians and the belief that their fortunes can be reversed with a single speech? Teresa May seemed to think this, and we can see how well it worked out for her.

Truly delusional.  Wants to be leader of Party, promises the Party members unity, competence, steady as she goes.  Immediately starts an internal witch hunt, performs like a fucking amateur on a very bad day, jettisons all the policies that at least got ~40% of the electorate to vote for them and replaces them with nothing.

THEN thinks he can repeat that switcheroo on the general public without anyone noticing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greenman on August 08, 2021, 01:26:08 PM
What did Corbyn break, exactly? My understanding is that he inherited a basket-case of a party, particularly around complaints-handling procedures, and left it in much the same state, perhaps slightly improved if anything. The question that no-one asks: given that these contentious procedures have existed for years, why didn't Miliband, Brown or Blair do anything about them?

The kind of bare faced lies they've been allowed to get away from by the media in the Corbyn era have probablyt helped breed a generation of political weaklings, "what you mean I just can't make up anything I like to smear the Tories have 90% of the media follow it like with Corbyn?"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 01:51:44 PM
A good reason to leave the Labour party is that you can't afford to pay the fee.

Another good reason for leaving the Labour Party is recognising that you would not want the Labour Party (as it actually exists) to run any fucking ballroom whatsoever.  I mean really, why on earth would anyone, having seen what they've done to the Party, wish to hand over an actual country to them - even a country currently being run by utter cunts?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 08, 2021, 02:02:30 PM
What is your ball, Shoulders, and how do you intend to play with it?

I don't know how much involvement you have in your local CLP or branch party. My guess is little, or you would see the disconnect between the platitudes and the reality.

What can a CLP do?
1. Select the MP. This does not happen if there has not been a successful trigger ballot or a vacancy. As we've seen, the NEC can simply impose a candidate anyway. You get a vote on this irrespective of your involvement in the CLP Exec or if you are delegated to general meetings.

2. Select delegates to conference. Wildly different numbers depending on which CLP and how much money they are prepared to put towards them. Some will send like 10, others 2 and maybe only one with voting rights.

3. Choose some people to be on interview panel to vet council candidates before selection by branches.

4. Run political education events.

5. Put motions (to conference). This is what happens to motions:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/38231f968da04a37c95ffdc6c0e163ab/tenor.gif?itemid=17251710)

Your motion will be composited to nothing and then ignored by the leadership.

Nevertheless, 1, 2 and 3 do represent, in principle, a source of power. But if the leadership decides the CLP is too left wing, they can suspend it and do whatever they like. You have to ask yourself the question: will the NEC allow another left wing candidate ever?

What can a branch (BLP) do?
1. Argue about the bins.

2. Put motions to CLP. (see above)

3. Choose council candidates.

4. Vote for a trigger ballot.

The NEC even interferes in 3., if they've got a mate who wants a safe seat. But yes, would be great to have more lefty councillors, albeit with little money or power, who then have to pass on Tory cuts.

4. requires 1/3 of the branches in the CLP to vote for it. Which is rather difficult if they've been suspended, or they've become derelict. And again, there's no guarantee you'd be allowed to vote for a left wing candidate anyway even if the trigger succeeded.

What can conference do?
1. In principle, decide Labour Party policy. Renationalisation of the railways is, formally, LP policy. But it evidently this doesn't matter, because the leadership can simply ignore it.

2. Endorse the Gen Sec. We can see if this happens or not. It's just about worth sticking around to see what happens at the next conference. Which is why I haven't cancelled my membership yet, only my DD.



In light of the above, what's your plan for how to fight back?

Take control of the CLP execs? That's probably achievable. But why bother? If a CLP chair allows discussion on criticism of the leadership, they get suspended.

Try to trigger MPs ahead of next election? Didn't get us very far last time. And the NEC could simply reimpose the candidate, or make you choose between whomever it is and Luke Akehurst.

Try to change Labour Party policy through conference? Leadership will ignore.

And while we busy ourselves with the above, the Labour party makes 1/3 of its staff redundant without consultation with unions, which appears to be illegal under 1992 TULRCA legislation, replacing them with temp staff. It is a rogue employer, whose job it is to argue for workers' rights. It has to do that, of course, because it's lost so many socialist members paying them money. In response, it proscribes a load more, even supported by supposed left wing NEC members, who have apparently lost their minds.

The vast majority of the PLP gruel just sit there nodding sagely and spending their time sabotaging any efforts to reinvigorate the LP's soul.

Or shilling for casinos:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7kBlj9WUAEIk-D?format=jpg&name=small)

It's difficult to see how this is salvageable.

But again, maybe you know better than I do. What's the plan?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
We're discussing it because you brought it up.

It was a response to this:

Another resignation in part due to Duffield
https://twitter.com/joerayment91/status/1423240346251800582

Props to them for the reasons they listed about Thagnam Debbonaire too.

So, SebCob 'brought it up'. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
Another good reason for leaving the Labour Party...

Is there a day when you don't harp on about this?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 02:11:12 PM
Pancreas, I acknowledge the above, in fact people may have noticed that I am among the most pessimistic here on this subject and there is all reason to be gloomy.

I'm just unsure why people are so sure a thing that just happened (in relative terms) can't happen again, or something slightly different that captures the imagination in ways Labour machinery hadn't prepared for.

Given all left wing politics is in essence a doomed fight against almost permanently insurmountable odds (famously defined as a never ending struggle) it doesn't seem incompatible to be continuing that struggle within the one and only vehicle regardless of any other external activity we choose to be involved in (volunteering, dogging, etc).

I am not trying to convert you, Buelligan or anyone else, it is purely a disagreement over the logic of the choice.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
No it's not purely a disagreement, Shoulders, it's justified irritation at the pissy way you talk about it.  No one here has any illusions of being pristine.  It's just plain pointless provocation and not comradely at all.  If you want people to accept your choice, and they do, you need to accept theirs.  And that goes for you too, Johnny and your bed-pissing japes.

Is there a day when you don't harp on about this?

Stop trying to rewrite history, Johnny, Shoulders brought it up.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
No it's not purely a disagreement, Shoulders, it's justified irritation at the pissy way you talk about it.  No one here has any illusions of being pristine.  It's just plain pointless provocation and not comradely at all.

Stop trying to rewrite history, Johnny, Shoulders brought it up.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I linked the post he responded to about someone leaving.

You're a bedwetter and a liar.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 02:18:50 PM
What the fuck is wrong with you? I linked the post he responded to about someone leaving.

You're a bedwetter and a liar.

And you're an uncomradely idiot.  I was referring to his further comments, you angry person.  Get a grip.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 08, 2021, 02:36:36 PM
What exactly is a “bedwetter”? Someone who can’t carry on paying money they haven’t got to prop up Keir Starmer any more? What kind of sanctimonious prick do you have to be to believe that?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 08, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
Great post pancreas by the way
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 08, 2021, 03:38:13 PM
Pancreas, I acknowledge the above, in fact people may have noticed that I am among the most pessimistic here on this subject and there is all reason to be gloomy.

So the plan is just to hope for the best. It's not nothing, I will grant you. But I don't see why I can't just rejoin once Starmer's gone and there's a bit more point hoping for the best. He won't go until he's kicked out by the PLP, or sheds a load more MPs at a GE. The ball is in their court at the moment.

Joining a trade union and trying to get that on the right tracks seems as good as anything else right now. Reminding people what the point of the Labour movement is might eventually remind people what the point of the Labour Party is.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 08, 2021, 03:52:14 PM
....mradely idiot.  I was referring to his further comments, you angry p.....

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Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
Heheh.  Your point being?  Just to be personal and unpleasant?  Or are you alluding to the hateful way those people treated that poor girl, just because she was poor and different to their way of thinking?  Jolly good.

So the plan is just to hope for the best. It's not nothing, I will grant you. But I don't see why I can't just rejoin once Starmer's gone and there's a bit more point hoping for the best. He won't go until he's kicked out by the PLP, or sheds a load more MPs at a GE. The ball is in their court at the moment.

Joining a trade union and trying to get that on the right tracks seems as good as anything else right now. Reminding people what the point of the Labour movement is might eventually remind people what the point of the Labour Party is.

Absolutely this.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 05:09:44 PM
So the plan is just to hope for the best. It's not nothing, I will grant you. But I don't see why I can't just rejoin once Starmer's gone and there's a bit more point hoping for the best. He won't go until he's kicked out by the PLP, or sheds a load more MPs at a GE. The ball is in their court at the moment.

Joining a trade union and trying to get that on the right tracks seems as good as anything else right now. Reminding people what the point of the Labour movement is might eventually remind people what the point of the Labour Party is.

Yes that seems reasonable but have you considered it will be easier for them to refuse you readmittance than kick you out? Also as a non-member you won't get to vote on anything regardless if you personally find those votes futile, the problem being that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if all the left do the same thing. This is what solidarity is supposed to prevent.

Comes back to the same thing. What do the cunts want you to do? Leave. That's now clearer than ever. So I stayed.

I think I have probably crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's here and so have you so happy to leave it here (reply if you fancy though).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 05:11:29 PM
Yes that seems reasonable but have you considered it will be easier for them to refuse you readmittance than kick you out?

Ask yourself why people would want readmittance if the appalling gatekeepers fucking Labour currently were still in power and you have your answer.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 05:14:19 PM
Ask yourself why people would want readmittance if the appalling gatekeepers fucking Labour currently were still in power and you have your answer.

Covered so many times over it's not funny... Or is funny. Either way, done.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
If it's been covered so many times, why mention it?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 08, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
Covered so many times over it's not funny... Or is funny. Either way, done.

You’ve covered why you think people should stay if they can, to support the good people who are left. I said before that I respected that side of the argument, but now I’m beginning to wonder. What I want to know is why you and Johnny Yesno have such a contemptuous attitude towards those people who decide they can’t or won’t, who decide they’ve had enough, especially as a lot of those people put so much effort into getting Corbyn elected.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on August 08, 2021, 05:31:02 PM
UK Labour to death squad pipeline?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 08, 2021, 05:36:07 PM
What the fuck is wrong with you? I linked the post he responded to about someone leaving.

You're a bedwetter and a liar.
How has your membership in the Labour Party aided the fight for socialism, even in the tiniest degree?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
What I want to know is why you and Johnny Yesno have such a contemptuous attitude towards those people who decide they can’t or won’t, who decide they’ve had enough, especially as a lot of those people put so much effort into getting Corbyn elected.

It's a response to the contempt in which those in this thread who decided to leave hold those who decided to stay. It's down to certain posters more than others, granted. Apologies to anyone who conceded that there's more than one way to skin a cat and then left it at that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 08, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
How has your membership in the Labour Party aided the fight for socialism, even in the tiniest degree?

I suppose if someone can argue that their efforts to promote NIP (who got about 160 votes even after a disproportionate PR blitz) aided the fight for socialism that is a ridiculously low bar to pass. But you left this conversation a long time ago, let's face it.

Anyone who is a Labour member who has contributed to turning the direction of that entity leftwards or resisted rightward pushes has aided socialism and it is is a bit silly to claim otherwise.

Shit I said I was going to leave this didn't I...

~fin~
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 06:23:30 PM
It's a response to the contempt in which those in this thread who decided to leave hold those who decided to stay. It's down to certain posters more than others, granted. Apologies to anyone who conceded that there's more than one way to skin a cat and then left it at that.

From today -

No it's not purely a disagreement, Shoulders, it's justified irritation at the pissy way you talk about it.  No one here has any illusions of being pristine.  It's just plain pointless provocation and not comradely at all. If you want people to accept your choice, and they do, you need to accept theirs.  And that goes for you too, Johnny and your bed-pissing japes.

We're discussing it because you brought it up. You popped up, had a pissy little dig and then, when you get some pushback, you ask why we're discussing it.  You're not obliged to do that, not if you don't want, you can accept other people make their own personal judgment and decision on this, this incredibly emotional subject, respect them as comrades, rather than divisively point-scoring (and doing Starmer's work for him).
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:37:58 PM
In response to pancreas's fair post about what to do next, one of the current goals of lefties still in the party is to try and get the following rule change passed at conference: https://www.clpd.org.uk/campaign/lets-make-the-plp-accountable-to-conference/

Of course, it's been reported by the Graun simply as a way to get Corbyn reinstated: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/08/jeremy-corbyn-could-be-reinstated-as-labour-mp-under-leftwing-challenge-to-starmer

Cunts.

Quote from: The Graun
Party bodies may be able to throw out the proposal if it is deemed to have legal problems

We've already had one of the so-called 'centrists' push the lie at one of our branch meetings that this motion originated from one of the recently proscribed organisations, and that this could be one of those 'legal problems'. Thankfully, one of the more experienced lefty members we still have in our branch shot this lie down and embarrassed the fucker. They'll do anything to stop this rule change, which is evidence that it's worth fighting for.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:39:10 PM
Hey everyone! Me! Me! ME! MEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 08, 2021, 06:39:14 PM

Reminding people what the point of the Labour movement is might eventually remind people what the point of the Labour Party is.

And what is that point? So many issues have been packed together that it’s now impossible to rally round a clear goal, making vicious splits inevitable.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 06:41:36 PM
Hey everyone! Me! Me! ME! MEEEEEE!


Right Johnny, an incredibly honest, fair-minded and comradely reply.

You called me a liar (and a bedwetter) on this page. Simnock put up some fucking awful pic.  But I should just be fine and suck it up.  And if I dare to point out how incredibly dishonest it is to try turning the tables on pigamus, with his quite reasonable question about contempt.  Point it out by showing evidence that no contempt was shown.  You respond like that.  How decent.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kelvin on August 08, 2021, 06:46:23 PM
You’ve covered why you think people should stay if they can, to support the good people who are left. I said before that I respected that side of the argument, but now I’m beginning to wonder. What I want to know is why you and Johnny Yesno have such a contemptuous attitude towards those people who decide they can’t or won’t, who decide they’ve had enough, especially as a lot of those people put so much effort into getting Corbyn elected.

To be fair, I think both sides of this argument are as bad as each other. We have an argument about this quite literally every couple of weeks; half the time it's started by some like Shoulders getting a dig in at people for leaving (and I've done that in that past, too), and half the time it's people like Blodders (and several others, in fairness to him) trying to get a rise out of the people who are still members. There's no mutual respect for the other side's viewpoint, and quite frankly, after so many identical arguments, I wish people would just shut the fuck up about it altogether.   
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:46:29 PM


Right Johnny, an incredibly honest, fair-minded and comradely reply.

You called me a liar (and a bedwetter) on this page. Simnock put up some fucking awful pic.  But I should just be fine and suck it up.  And if I dare to point out how incredibly dishonest it is to try turning the tables on pigamus, with his quite reasonable question about contempt.  Point it out by showing evidence that no contempt was shown.  You respond like that.  How decent.

Oh, shut up you boring twat.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 08, 2021, 06:46:58 PM


Right Johnny, an incredibly honest, fair-minded and comradely reply.

You called me a liar (and a bedwetter) on this page. Simnock put up some fucking awful pic.  But I should just be fine and suck it up.  And if I dare to point out how incredibly dishonest it is to try turning the tables on pigamus, with his quite reasonable question about contempt.  Point it out by showing evidence that no contempt was shown.  You respond like that.  How decent.

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Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 06:48:16 PM
Oh, shut up you boring twat.

Or what?  You'll be even more unpleasant.  How frightening.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:49:46 PM
To be fair, I think both sides of this argument are as bad as each other. We have an argument about this quite literally every couple of weeks; half the time it's started by some like Shoulders getting a dig in at people for leaving (and I've done that in that past, too), and half the time it's people like Blodders (and several others, in fairness to him) trying to get a rise out of the people who are still members. There's no mutual respect for the other side's viewpoint, and quite frankly, after so many identical arguments, I wish people would just shut the fuck up about it altogether.   

Yes, that is my point. All I ask is for certain people who know nothing about the objectives still available to the left to stop routinely encouraging lefties to leave the party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 08, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
And what is that point? So many issues have been packed together that it’s now impossible to rally round a clear goal, making vicious splits inevitable.

Ban zero hour contracts
Ban fire-and-rehire
Better pay [e.g. lower ratio of top and bottom]
Better conditions at work
Proper holiday allowance & [p/m]aternity leave
Decent pensions

General strike.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 06:53:15 PM
Yes, that is my point. All I ask is for certain people who know nothing about the objectives still available to the left to stop routinely encouraging lefties to leave the party.

People are free to say the Labour Party is a nest of cunts and they're free to say it isn't.  Neither opinion gives you the unfettered right to attack them as people.  Argue with their pov if you like, fuck off with the rest of it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 08, 2021, 06:53:48 PM
To be fair, I think both sides of this argument are as bad as each other. We have an argument about this quite literally every couple of weeks; half the time it's started by some like Shoulders getting a dig in at people for leaving (and I've done that in that past, too), and half the time it's people like Blodders (and several others, in fairness to him) trying to get a rise out of the people who are still members. There's no mutual respect for the other side's viewpoint, and quite frankly, after so many identical arguments, I wish people would just shut the fuck up about it altogether.

NO U

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:54:38 PM
People are free to say the Labour Party is a nest of cunts and they're free to say it isn't.

Jesus wept. Talk about missing the point.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 06:55:54 PM
Why don't you explain it then, Johnny?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 06:57:59 PM
Why don't you explain it then, Johnny?

What's the point? You never listen and you never ever admit to being wrong. You just want the space to wet the bed in public.

Edit: which has now bumped the actual slightly useful point I made about the rule change onto the previous page.

FFS. The Buelligan Show.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 08, 2021, 07:00:32 PM
Ban zero hour contracts
Ban fire-and-rehire
Better pay [e.g. lower ratio of top and bottom]
Better conditions at work
Proper holiday allowance & [p/m]aternity leave
Decent pensions

General strike.

I’d sign up to that but have a ban on groups attempting to piggyback their own personal hobbyhorses on top.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 07:02:01 PM
What's the point? You never listen and you never ever admit to being wrong. You just want the space to wet the bed in public.

Edit: which has now bumped the actual slightly useful point I made about the rule change onto the previous page.

FFS. The Buelligan Show.


Well we were talking about the Labour Party and why it's pointless staying in it until you turned the tables and started with the ad fucking homs.  You should learn to control that temper.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 07:04:38 PM
You should learn to control that temper.

NO U

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 07:06:39 PM
:) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5VT-ofxdh4)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 08, 2021, 07:28:37 PM
To be fair, I think both sides of this argument are as bad as each other. We have an argument about this quite literally every couple of weeks; half the time it's started by some like Shoulders getting a dig in at people for leaving (and I've done that in that past, too),

Why? I mean by definition the people leaving are Corbyn supporters - Corbyn supporters who are depressed and angry and sick of everything that's happened. If they were centrist melts and Blairite careerists and so on they'd be renewing their subscriptions, not cancelling them. I mean as I've already said I can appreciate those who say, look, you know, I know you're angry, but I think cancelling your subs and leaving now is a mistake, and here's why. But this arrogant contempt for people who've had enough - maybe I'm naive but I find that really shocking.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on August 08, 2021, 07:35:23 PM
To be fair, I think both sides of this argument are as bad as each other.
Good news for the deathsquads.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 07:39:12 PM
But this arrogant contempt for people who've had enough

When you don't have an argument, just make shit up!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 08, 2021, 07:48:46 PM
Pigamus is right though, some 'stay and fight' people do seem to be exhibiting that a little.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kelvin on August 08, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
Why? I mean by definition the people leaving are Corbyn supporters - Corbyn supporters who are depressed and angry and sick of everything that's happened. If they were centrist melts and Blairite careerists and so on they'd be renewing their subscriptions, not cancelling them.

I wasn't talking about the wider party, though, I was talking about the way it was being discussed in these Labour threads. In which case, the people arguing on both sides - those that left, those that remained - were/are all Corbyn supporting lefties. And in both cases, the people involved think the current party is a load of toxic shit. The only difference between the two sides in this argument is how they chose to respond to that; by leaving or by choosing to remain and wield a (small) amount of left wing influence. 


Quote
I mean as I've already said I can appreciate those who say, look, you know, I know you're angry, but I think cancelling your subs and leaving now is a mistake, and here's why. But this arrogant contempt for people who've had enough - maybe I'm naïve but I find that really shocking.

There's arrogant contempt on both sides, that's my point. The reason these circular arguments keep coming up, and certainly the reason they keep turning into such bloodbaths, is that every few weeks someone tries to score a cheap hit against the other position and immediately both sides start throwing shit again. This time it was, imo, Shoulders' fault, but on other occasions it's been started by people scoring a cheap dig at the remaining Labour members. And it's always the same four of five people stirring the pot, which in turn gets everyone else riled up.   
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
Pigamus is right though, some 'stay and fight' people do seem to be exhibiting that a little.

As I said upthread, it's contempt for the purveyors of contempt for those who have chosen to stay.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 08, 2021, 07:54:25 PM
spiderman when he pointed at spiderman
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 08, 2021, 07:56:52 PM

your posting style stinks of boring boomers on twitter, replying to everything with the same gifs. get a grip
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 08, 2021, 08:20:39 PM
As I said upthread, it's contempt for the purveyors of contempt for those who have chosen to stay.

Perhaps you'd like to dig out something from today - without cropping out bits - that exemplifies this from your pov, Johnny?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 08, 2021, 08:32:15 PM
your posting style stinks of boring boomers on twitter, replying to everything with the same gifs. get a grip

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Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 08, 2021, 08:35:35 PM
Is anyone still in the party going to Conference this year? I'm not going. Private Eye always covers the morally dodgier corporations and organisations who are allowed to have a stall or a session at the party conferences, be interesting to see who turns up this year.

Not sure how much of a say Kier has in it but I wonder if he will invite some really shitty corporations in an effort to prove to the elite that he's moved the party on from Corbyn.

Can't wait for Kier's big policy free speech. I suppose at least they will save money on venue hire costs given the number of members who have left since the last in person conference. The 2022 Labour Party conference may as well be held in a town hall.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 08, 2021, 08:58:31 PM
Really want someone from Vice to take a gram of Acid and make a film about wandering 'round the conference.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 08, 2021, 10:01:52 PM
Really want someone from Vice to take a gram of Acid and make a film about wandering 'round the conference.

A gram?! That's about 5000 strong doses or 4999 more than your body can absorb in one session. What a waste.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 08, 2021, 10:02:45 PM
Good news for the deathsquads.

Can you at least give us a clue?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 08, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
A gram?! That's about 5000 strong doses or 4999 more than your body can absorb in one session. What a waste.

That's sense, Withnail.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 08, 2021, 11:10:48 PM
A gram?! That's about 5000 strong doses or 4999 more than your body can absorb in one session. What a waste.

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-89f4de1cec6cfbfc1b8c58cca0ee1d63.webp)
"A gram? Why that's very nearly an armful!"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on August 08, 2021, 11:14:25 PM
What is it with failing politicians and the belief that their fortunes can be reversed with a single speech? Teresa May seemed to think this, and we can see how well it worked out for her.

Sounds like something that might happen in a film

Science, then one slow claop, spreading and accelerating
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 09, 2021, 10:23:37 AM
People like Wes Streeting standing up, clapping wildly, throwing off their carefully chosen ties, grimacing painfully and shouting YEAH, YEAH! through their tears.  Camera pans back from the flickering screen to a shabby room where an old man sits in his pants and farts. 
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 09, 2021, 02:55:21 PM
https://twitter.com/timotheus69/status/1424666639635783687

Extreme centrism
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 09, 2021, 03:47:13 PM
Heheh.  That has to be a joke, an extremely dry joke.  Funny.

Yeah, I mean, look at this -

Quote from: that same man
Pinned Tweet Timotheus Bratt #BanOnlineAnonymity@timotheus69
·
Jun 28
Pleased to announce our latest project at @bootblackprod, "Age of Rage: a journey through the trollosphere". Comedian David Baddiel will be talking to psychologists and counter-extremism advisers in an effort to find out what motivates online hate. Coming to @BBCTwo this summer!

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BhHq4m_Bi5g/hqdefault.jpg)

https://twitter.com/timotheus69
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Pink Gregory on August 09, 2021, 05:07:40 PM
Baddiel isn't on a quest to learn or discover anything.  He's there to assert his opinions, sell a book or a show, and then do it again a year later.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 09, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
Heheh.  That has to be a joke, an extremely dry joke.  Funny.

Yeah, I mean, look at this -

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BhHq4m_Bi5g/hqdefault.jpg)

https://twitter.com/timotheus69

Yes, he's followed by Zands et al. He must be absolutely fucking delighted with himself right now.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 09, 2021, 05:20:35 PM
And so he should be.  Excellent work.

Quote from: Timotheus Bratt #BanOnlineAnonymity@timotheus69
I see some Momentum trolls have found this tweet and are using it to suggest Tom has no place in the labour movement. Let me tell you, this man understands the world of work better than any of them. I saw how hard he worked to make the party normal again.

https://twitter.com/timotheus69/status/1424685379488206851
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 09, 2021, 06:09:49 PM
Extreme centrism

obvious poe
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 09, 2021, 06:12:36 PM
speaking of which has anyone seen the zands-adjacent failed comic Craig Ovens?
https://twitter.com/OvensComedy

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4FAjaBWQAE8HW5?format=jpg&name=small)
I'm not sure if it's unfunny comedy or shit art, kind of can't look away though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 09, 2021, 06:43:03 PM
Yes, that is my point. All I ask is for certain people who know nothing about the objectives still available to the left to stop routinely encouraging lefties to leave the party.
I have seen entire generations of activists burned out by attempting to change the Labour Party from within, endless hours of activity wasted and people turned off politics forever. It's your lack of any sort of historical perspective on what you're so fixated on that's so wearing. We have repeated examples of people trying to do this and failing, but now, when the party is as bad as it's ever been, all it needs is us to stick around, submit motions that conference or leadership will ignore, and suddenly, Labour will be socialist again!

I think there are vastly more opportunities to the left available outside Labour than within it. What do you feel your Labour Party membership has actually achieved? Is there anything you can point to that couldn't have been achieved by non-party work?

Ultimately, if you're going to post the same old "please stay in the party, Labour is the only possible avenue for your socialist leanings" then I'm going to post the same old "no it isn't" and encouraging good people to stop banging their head against the bureaucratic brick wall. I'm every bit as tired of your bullshit as you are of mine.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 09, 2021, 07:30:25 PM
I have seen entire generations of activists burned out by attempting to change the Labour Party from within,

dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for Rachel Reeves
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 09, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
https://labourlist.org/2021/08/are-concerns-over-labours-future-candidates-programme-justified/

Dragging random cunts off the street to stand as councillors and MPs rather than actual members.

'Are you in any way left wing?'

'No'

'Brilliant!'
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 09, 2021, 07:43:52 PM
Labour will not win a general election in the 2020s. They will have ceased to exist as a credible potential government by 2030. The only thing that can prevent this is electoral reform.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 09, 2021, 09:45:00 PM
https://labourlist.org/2021/08/are-concerns-over-labours-future-candidates-programme-justified/

Dragging random cunts off the street to stand as councillors and MPs rather than actual members.

'Are you in any way left wing?'

'No'

'Brilliant!'

Try to object and be told to quieten down bcoz 'we need to fight the Tories'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 09, 2021, 10:08:37 PM
obvious poe

Well aren't I stupid?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: EOLAN on August 10, 2021, 11:53:11 AM
Labour up 3. Conservatives down 1 in latest Britain polls.

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1424762751692460048?s=19
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Chollis on August 10, 2021, 12:04:45 PM
Labour up 3. Conservatives down 1 in latest Britain polls.

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1424762751692460048?s=19

yes, seeing a lot of backslapping from centrist pals elsewhere on the web. any news of Labour gaining on the Tories should be good news really, shouldn't it? but I just can't stand the smug cunts and would love to see them obliterated. not good
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 10, 2021, 12:08:04 PM
Why is it good news?  Because Red Chariot Team is gaining ground on Blue Chariot Team?  There's a lot more to it than bread and circuses.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 10, 2021, 12:08:09 PM
This time next year, Rodders, well be twenty points ahead.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 10, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
It won’t be enough. Starmer’s not done enough to convince people he won’t betray Brexit. Well I say not enough - he’s done fuck all!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 10, 2021, 12:20:46 PM
Given how the so called vaccine bounce is fading, how Brexit is having notable effects on lorry driver numbers and food on supermarket shelves, and the anger over India being put on the red list late and complaints from the travel industry, it shows how badly Labour are doing that the Tories are still ahead in the polls. I really do think that Labour would be ahead in the polls if Corbyn was still leader.  I dont think the Tories are as popular as they were earlier this year, despite GB News pumping out their culture war bullshit, but why would anyone vote for Starmars Labour unless they are a FBPE type.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 10, 2021, 12:36:24 PM
FBPE hate Starmer for whipping to support the Torie's Brexit deal and betraying Remain.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 10, 2021, 12:55:04 PM
FBPE hate Starmer for whipping to support the Torie's Brexit deal and betraying Remain.

Well, let's be fair, a very good portion of those monomaniacs have decided it was all Crobinyns fault (for consistently voting against the deal) and by the time Starmer took over he only did what anyone else would have done (voted for the deal).

Starmer's only power, briefly, was to be so vacant other vacant people could project their dreams onto him.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 10, 2021, 01:05:37 PM
shit wrong thread
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on August 10, 2021, 08:44:58 PM
Can you at least give us a clue?
good luck having my water.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 11, 2021, 12:59:07 AM
Just listened to the latest instalment of the Alexi Sayle podcast and he and a professor are discussing Bolshevism and communism, both at some point simply say why the fuck does anyone stay in the Labour party who is left wing, its a complete waste of time and is now full of right wing useless cunts.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 11, 2021, 01:15:53 AM
Bedwetters
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 07:08:16 AM
Just listened to the latest instalment of the Alexi Sayle podcast and he and a professor are discussing Bolshevism and communism, both at some point simply say why the fuck does anyone stay in the Labour party who is left wing, its a complete waste of time and is now full of right wing useless cunts.

Sayle rejoined when it was full of right wing useless cunts, so...
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 07:24:19 AM
He rejoined when there was a point because we had a real chance of moving forward.  He gave his money and time and love and support and voice to Corbyn's Labour.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 11, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
Sayle rejoined when it was full of right wing useless cunts, so...

It is, as it always has been, but you’re also fond of saying “it’s our party not theirs” - it’s a nice phrase, but I don’t see how you can reconcile the two things.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 11, 2021, 08:30:14 AM
Alexei Sayle wasn't a member of the Labour party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 08:34:55 AM
Alexei Sayle wasn't a member of the Labour party.

Really? Sorry, I thought he mentioned that on Owen Jones interview, must have made it up.

Buelligan?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on August 11, 2021, 08:41:46 AM
It's our party, not theirs.
Also fuck you, it's our party.
Also fuck you, don't leave.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 11, 2021, 09:01:03 AM
Really? Sorry, I thought he mentioned that on Owen Jones interview, must have made it up.

Buelligan?

I think Sayle wrote a jokey piece in The Guardian saying that he was leaving the LP because of Corbyn, but that he just had to join it first. I think Corbyn inspired Sayle to offer support to the Labour Party but that was about it.

yer 'tis: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/12/alexei-sayle-why-i-have-decided-join-labour-party-then-immediately-resign (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/12/alexei-sayle-why-i-have-decided-join-labour-party-then-immediately-resign)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 11, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
Imagine sharing a party with this man

https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

(http://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/228924898_1160413264480009_5785984402376597659_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=oq0bkZb6tbYAX8S5T4Q&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=6e3b91f6b37037475e5c84bb9d9357ce&oe=61388F1A)


edit- how do I stop it being massive again?

double edit - cheers pigamus
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 11, 2021, 09:12:21 AM
And this arrogant MP who ignores all the students who campaigned for her so she try and out-girlboss Jess Phillips

https://twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1419320642994941958
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 11, 2021, 09:14:41 AM
Who the cunt above supports, of course.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 11, 2021, 09:15:50 AM
edit- how do I stop it being massive again?

Click image, then  img width=300 or whatever
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on August 11, 2021, 09:52:21 AM
Labour will not win a general election in the 2020s. They will have ceased to exist as a credible potential government by 2030. The only thing that can prevent this is electoral reform.

The only way to achieve that is to cut a deal with the smaller parties and make it a core policy. I don't see Starmer ever doing that. He's got to go before anything positive will happen.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on August 11, 2021, 09:55:01 AM
He rejoined when there was a point

How do you get to the stage of there being 'a point' without plenty of lefties in the membership I might ask? Basically, once the people who stayed in the party had given the left a decent chance of winning then he feels that's an appropriate time to jump back in. It's a bit of a defeatist strategy to wait until that slim chance happens again rather than staying and being part of pushing for it all the time.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 10:29:36 AM
As has been pointed out he didn't join at all, he just lent his support.  But supposing he had, it would've been for the reason most of the people joining Labour at that time, making it the biggest political party in Europe (the World?) did, they did it because there was a leader (or a candidate standing for leader, in some cases) who was perceptibly genuine.  Who inspired the hope in them that things really were about to change.  And they were, until the Establishment squashed that, aided eagerly by cunts like Starmer, a lot of those still/now running the Party and most of the fucking PLP.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dissolute ocelot on August 11, 2021, 10:40:04 AM
Imagine sharing a party with this man

https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

(http://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/228924898_1160413264480009_5785984402376597659_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=oq0bkZb6tbYAX8S5T4Q&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=6e3b91f6b37037475e5c84bb9d9357ce&oe=61388F1A)
Fuck (https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton/status/1423596810384330752):
Quote
#HiroshimaDay is a reminder of the evils of war but is also a reminder that the maintenance of a Nuclear deterrent is vital to keeping the peace. The U.K. should always maintain its Nuclear capacity.

We must keep our nuclear weapons forever to honour the boys and girls of Hiroshima!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 10:43:50 AM
What an unspeakable cunt.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 10:48:16 AM
As has been pointed out he didn't join at all, he just lent his support.  But supposing he had, it would've been for the reason most of the people joining Labour at that time, making it the biggest political party in Europe (the World?) did, they did it because there was a leader (or a candidate standing for leader, in some cases) who was perceptibly genuine.  Who inspired the hope in them that things really were about to change.  And they were, until the Establishment squashed that, aided eagerly by cunts like Starmer, a lot of those still/now running the Party and most of the fucking PLP.

To continue with this line of thought, it makes one wonder what would've happened if, instead of standing as Labour leader, Crobert the Glorious (or someone similar) had united, say, the Greens.  Pulled in XR.  Brought those members that flocked to Labour and their enthusiasm and funding.  Without the PLP there and the Party machine there, fucking everything, maybe the World would now be a far better place.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 11, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
Fuck (https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton/status/1423596810384330752):
We must keep our nuclear weapons forever to honour the boys and girls of Hiroshima!

Also appears on Talk Radio to call for an end to lockdowns and mask wearing. Pro-Covid.

Oh and writes for The Critic.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 11, 2021, 11:02:13 AM
lol what a take. why doesn't Japan have any nukes then? silly sitting duck!!! they never learn!!!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 11:28:02 AM
Imagine sharing a party with this man

https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

(http://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/228924898_1160413264480009_5785984402376597659_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=oq0bkZb6tbYAX8S5T4Q&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=6e3b91f6b37037475e5c84bb9d9357ce&oe=61388F1A)


edit- how do I stop it being massive again?

double edit - cheers pigamus

not only is that a shit idea, it's a shit idea he's stolen from the brexit movement.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 11, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
who do you think you are kidding mr immigrant
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 11, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
His whole twitter account reads like a Kipper's.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 11:45:09 AM
Imagine sharing a party with this man

https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

(http://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/228924898_1160413264480009_5785984402376597659_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=oq0bkZb6tbYAX8S5T4Q&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=6e3b91f6b37037475e5c84bb9d9357ce&oe=61388F1A)


edit- how do I stop it being massive again?

double edit - cheers pigamus

We all were doing, weren't we? Apart from perhaps Famous Mortimer.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 12:26:27 PM
But there is the idea of a broad church, isn't there?  If I'd known about that man's position, I'd have wondered what he was doing in the Labour Party led by Corbyn, as I/we did with many others.  But given that, the broad church thing - we're supposed to tolerate a range of opinions and ideas provided that they all, ultimately, elevate the main goals, our shared goals. 

People like that man, just like a racist or a transphobe, unmasked, are clearly not headed in our direction, we have no mutual aims valuable enough to outweigh his shitness, so why is he a member of the Party?  Ask yourself that.  What kind of Party has people, people with power, in it like that?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 12:29:33 PM
The 'broad church' is big-brained centrist speak for the left giving the plp votes and support while being siloed off in places where they can be ignored.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 11, 2021, 12:31:01 PM
But there is the idea of a broad church, isn't there?  If I'd known about that man's position, I'd have wondered what he was doing in the Labour Party led by Corbyn, as I/we did with many others.  But given that, the broad church thing - we're supposed to tolerate a range of opinions and ideas provided that they all, ultimately, elevate the main goals, our shared goals. 

People like that man, just like a racist or a transphobe, unmasked, are clearly not headed in our direction, we have no mutual aims valuable enough to outweigh his shitness, so why is he a member of the Party?  Ask yourself that.  What kind of Party has people, people with power, in it like that?

Not just a member, the leader of a Labour group of councillors, who will have been put in that position by other Labour councillors.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 12:40:56 PM
Ghastly.

The 'broad church' is big-brained centrist speak for the left giving the plp votes and support while being siloed off in places where they can be ignored.

Heheh.  I know.  I mean, how fucking stupid do th
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 02:35:00 PM
Quote
What kind of Party has people, people with power, in it like that?

Every single political party. This isn't glib, it's true. Find a political party singing in unison comprised of no flawed individuals or bigots or people who seem to point in the opposite direction of the stated aims of the party, you won't.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 02:40:27 PM
Why join any of them then?  I'm sure there are good people on both sides but that's not what I'm really looking for right now.  Don't think it's what any of us need, either.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 03:49:27 PM
Why join any of them then?  I'm sure there are good people on both sides but that's not what I'm really looking for right now.  Don't think it's what any of us need, either.

I don't know, but when you joined Labour I assume you did so in that knowledge.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 04:00:06 PM
Many of us did so because we could see HOPE for change, standing there and smiling at us.  But even then, I, I'm sure I'm not alone here, questioned how we could fund election literature and expenses, go doorknocking, for people like (choose from list of cunts), the reason we could is that we saw that their tenancy was over.  Most, maybe all, of us were desperate to get these cunts out, just counting the minutes.

Now, there is no hope on the horizon, just cunts like this man, openly parading their cuntitude with a smirk and expecting to be supported.  Fuck them.  Put all that energy into something that isn't poisoned.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 04:30:17 PM
Unpleasant people were there then and they are there now, they will have remained even if Corbyn had suceeded in all his aims and they will be in the future whatever happens and, furthermore, whatever other political party or social cause you support will have them too. This is certain, its humans.

The reason to support a cause is to fight to further the cause, not to assemble as many people who aren't cunts as possible, as that simply won't in itself translate into success, there are too many ways to be cunty.

Some of Corbyn's own allies were and are in themselves quite nasty cunty people in some ways, horrible though that is to accept, because some people have to bust balls, bend arms and so on, and stand up to the firestorm of shit, and you don't become good at that by being nice, or necessarily having the most modern opinions on all issues. In fact some of Corbyn's hardest workers including in the PLP were not ideological bedfellows but put themselves in the firing line to help and didn't betray him, but might tweet some absolute shit about Trident too. That is how it goes.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 04:40:53 PM
I'm afraid I can't be as sanguine about someone who, judged by their words, comes across as a Faragist.  I can't shrug and say, well if we want power, we must accept some total cunts being in charge of the organisation.  I'm not worried about ball-busting, I've popped some bollocks in my days, I'm just utterly opposed to palling up with people who'd turn the gunboats on a crowded migrant vessel for their own pleasure, let alone expedience.  People like that don't belong in any party I'm funding.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 11, 2021, 05:27:14 PM
Joining the Labour Party now Kieth has got fully behind llama culling.

https://twitter.com/itvwestcountry/status/1425472080519254034

NO ALTERNATIVE. I bet he'd pull the bloody leaver himself!

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: earl_sleek on August 11, 2021, 05:43:15 PM
It's an alpaca ya racist!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 11, 2021, 05:45:31 PM
Who cares? Starmer wants it dead, and he wants it dead now. Stick a Deliveroo bag on the back of it, he's got his 4x4 ready and he's had a few cans.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 05:51:21 PM
Quote
  I can't shrug and say, well if we want power, we must accept some total cunts being in charge of the organisation

This is only a suspicion, and nothing I could be able to back up, but I expect you would tolerate some cuntery if it was done in the Corbyn cause, and in the back of your mind you logically knew it must be happening, but there wasn't anything needing directly confronting.

This is my suspicion, I've said it.
Title: The beatings will continue until morale improves
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
What an odd thing to think.  Wants LOVE but would tolerate some torture to achieve it.  That's not how goodness works, it's not righteous, you can't have those things by force or guile or even lying.

(https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/6y2RkqQrBUvrRDVwqnfugm/8739a35292e13d46aa30f2bdf6eb5783/Screen_Shot_2021-08-11_at_3.11.40_PM.png?fm=jpg&fit=fill&w=400&h=225&q=80)
Murderer
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 11, 2021, 06:45:02 PM
To be fair, the alpaca is riddled with TB and needs making in to chopps, but why the fuck he's commenting on a silly season news story instead of saying 'please ask the shadow sec for agriculture' cos tomorrow it'll be 'Starmer llama drama' in all the tabs.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Angrew Lloyg Wegger on August 11, 2021, 06:45:35 PM
I think the alpaca should be given coke and let loose in Harrods. If Starmer wasn't such a spineless tit he'd come out and say the same
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chocolate teapot on August 11, 2021, 06:48:27 PM
To be fair, the alpaca is riddled with TB and needs making in to chopps, but why the fuck he's commenting on a silly season news story instead of saying 'please ask the shadow sec for agriculture' cos tomorrow it'll be 'Starmer llama drama' in all the tabs.
there's no proof it has tb at the minute cos gov won't test it again. I feel strongly that the alpaca should live as it's causing no harm. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/11/its-torture-geronimo-owner-tells-of-anxiety-over-threat-to-alpaca
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 11, 2021, 06:51:51 PM
So now Kieth looks even worse? What a fucking rotter.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 11, 2021, 07:28:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't be as sanguine about someone who, judged by their words, comes across as a Faragist.  I can't shrug and say, well if we want power, we must accept some total cunts being in charge of the organisation.  I'm not worried about ball-busting, I've popped some bollocks in my days, I'm just utterly opposed to palling up with people who'd turn the gunboats on a crowded migrant vessel for their own pleasure, let alone expedience.  People like that don't belong in any party I'm funding.

But isn't your refrain 'Be more like Corbyn'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs9NfhnfQLc
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
To be fair, the alpaca is riddled with TB and needs making in to chopps, but why the fuck he's commenting on a silly season news story instead of saying 'please ask the shadow sec for agriculture' cos tomorrow it'll be 'Starmer llama drama' in all the tabs.

He knows not to get involved in divisive things so he’s quiet on deportations but vocally wants the alpaca dead, this is grown up politics.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 07:37:58 PM
Who cares? Starmer wants it dead, and he wants it dead now. Stick a Deliveroo bag on the back of it, he's got his 4x4 ready and he's had a few cans.

Nah fuck that, if he can't take it in the thunderdome then it should be allowed to live.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 11, 2021, 07:49:55 PM
But isn't your refrain 'Be more like Corbyn'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs9NfhnfQLc

Why do you say that[1]?  This isn't a religion.
 1. I know why you say that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 11, 2021, 07:51:59 PM
Sickening stuff emerging. Vile.

https://twitter.com/StefGotBooted/status/1425527377870925834

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8h9mGzWUAYWB_Z?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 07:54:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8h5_tmXoAA1XtE?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/papasombra/status/1425523429848100868
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 11, 2021, 07:58:49 PM
I have no idea how he still has that account.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 11, 2021, 08:05:00 PM
optics eh
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 11, 2021, 08:42:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8iCGukXMAAoilz?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ripeacsky/status/1425532352432848904

I can respect that forthright stance.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 11, 2021, 10:01:37 PM
Like Cecil Centigrade
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 10:53:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8iEL4MWUAUau__?format=png&name=small)

Quote
He's gonna get outflanked on the alpaca. It's nurses' pay  all over again.

https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1425534940180099082

please let this happen
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 10:54:52 PM
Oh also Clive Lewis has boiled lots of centrist piss by calling someone who calls themself 'the last blairite' an idiot.

https://www.indy100.com/politics/clive-lewis-labour-mp-twitter-b1900757
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 11, 2021, 11:02:13 PM
How can you read that. I have so many ad blockers on I just had to scroll down the sporadic bits of text, but if I didn't …
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Psybro on August 11, 2021, 11:02:57 PM
There are two alpaca farms in my Labour held constituency, proof that Starmer will lose seats at the next election.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 11:07:29 PM
duke nukem 3d featuring starmer and the alpaca
https://twitter.com/dandouglas/status/1425559692374315018

fucking lol

edit that thread is huge, I was pleasantly surprised when i got to the top
https://twitter.com/dandouglas/status/1409225386861502469
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
How can you read that. I have so many ad blockers on I just had to scroll down the sporadic bits of text, but if I didn't …

i don't see too much blank space, are your blockers blocking the (slow to load) embedded tweets?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 11, 2021, 11:13:08 PM
Is this what started it?

(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/1628712768908-png.215834/)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 01:39:11 AM
sir clam kit-kat, pelting it up the M4 to cunt that fucker into the Severn with a handbrake turn from his Toyota Rav 4 SUV. yes!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 08:31:43 AM
Oh also Clive Lewis has boiled lots of centrist piss by calling someone who calls themself 'the last blairite' an idiot.

https://www.indy100.com/politics/clive-lewis-labour-mp-twitter-b1900757

I've never really liked Clive Lewis much, I don't trust him and I think that response was a stupid needless ad hom, if you can't stand that much[1] pressure, your skin's too thin for politics, however, seeing Tony McDonough sticking his dirty beak in made me have a great deal more sympathy for him.  A great deal more.
 1. no
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 08:39:56 AM
Interestingly framed as a "voter" as though Lewis was out on the pitch in public calling a total randomer a moron rather than responding to a needling Blairite twitter account.

I don't recall the Independent doing these things when left wingers are insulted, as they routinely are.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 12, 2021, 08:53:12 AM
Odd how Lewis gets in the paper for this when, say, the repeated late night abuse dished out by, say, Neil Coyne, doesn't.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 12, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
edit nvm i'm an idiot
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 12, 2021, 09:47:33 AM
Great to see Starmer calling for Gavin Williamson to be sacked, after repeatedly refusing to do so ever since he became leader.

Just as it looks like he's going to be sacked anyway and replaced by someone who is (and it is amazing to say this), even worse.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 09:59:37 AM
Great to see Starmer calling for Gavin Williamson to be sacked, after repeatedly refusing to do so ever since he became leader.

Just as it looks like he's going to be sacked anyway and replaced by someone who is (and it is amazing to say this), even worse.

But that's the best time to call for someone to be sacked, isn't it? So you can pretend that your calling for them to be sacked was somehow linked to the decision.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 12, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
But he has pointedly refused to call for his sacking before now.

Also once it's common knowledge that they're for the chop it doesn't look that amazing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 10:03:35 AM
But that's the best time to call for someone to be sacked, isn't it? So you can pretend that your calling for them to be sacked was somehow linked to the decision.

Is it?  If you're a leader?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 10:15:46 AM
Politicians can only call for someone to be sacked once, so it's best to do it when it appears that you are part of a rising tide of public opinion that bears some responsibility for the eventual decision (even when you don't).

Calling for a government politician to be sacked is a non-story anyway. It's a fundamental aspect of the opposition that they want the whole government sacked so they can replace them. Calling for it at the wrong time might even help keep embattled politicians in place.

If Starmer announced today that the whole cabinet should be sacked, he's got nowhere else to go in that regard, has he? He can't call for it again and anyway it's what people expect him to say. As LOTO against a majority as big as Johnson's, you have barely any political power so you have to pick your moments wisely.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 10:21:06 AM
Heheh.  Picking his moments wisely.  He's good at that.

(https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/UysXq9SgglL2HsTZ2Evkig--~B/Zmk9ZmlsbDtweW9mZj0wO3c9NjQwO2g9MzYwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://s.yimg.com/hd/cp-video-transcode/prod/2021-08/09/611173e6d024e64621d91efa/611173e6d024e64621d91efb_o_U_v2.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 12, 2021, 10:22:19 AM
Why can politicians only call for someone to be sacked once? They could do it as many times as they want surely, and say "Freddy Fartypants Minister for Botty Tugs should have been sacked long ago, he should have been sacked for A, but the Prime Minister has ignored the public and chose to keep him on. He should have sacked him when B happened, but he/she did not. Now C has happened, will the Prime Minister finally do what he should have done long ago and sack Freddy Fartypants?"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 10:22:42 AM
Gerrrrrrrronimo!!!! That's the sound of Starmer's polling!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on August 12, 2021, 10:26:15 AM
duke nukem 3d featuring starmer and the alpaca
https://twitter.com/dandouglas/status/1425559692374315018

fucking lol

edit that thread is huge, I was pleasantly surprised when i got to the top
https://twitter.com/dandouglas/status/1409225386861502469

Still nowhere near the end of that thread, but it's got to be a CaBber. So many boxes checked.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 10:31:37 AM
Politicians can only call for someone to be sacked once, so it's best to do it when it appears that you are part of a rising tide of public opinion that bears some responsibility for the eventual decision (even when you don't).

Calling for a government politician to be sacked is a non-story anyway. It's a fundamental aspect of the opposition that they want the whole government sacked so they can replace them. Calling for it at the wrong time might even help keep embattled politicians in place.

If Starmer announced today that the whole cabinet should be sacked, he's got nowhere else to go in that regard, has he? He can't call for it again and anyway it's what people expect him to say. As LOTO against a majority as big as Johnson's, you have barely any political power so you have to pick your moments wisely.

I don't want to be mean but you know.  You say - As LOTO against a majority as big as Johnson's, you have barely any political power so you have to pick your moments wisely - even if we ignore the Alpaca Issue and all the other foot in mouth movements moments, Keith's had.  Just think about what you've said there - it's like political power is some kind of health bar that goes down every time the LOTO says something. 

And it does with Keith because he almost always says something dire or nothing at all and that old bar drops if you don't use it, drops to nothing.  But political power health bars can be replenished.  You do it by speaking the truth, by fighting for your electorate, by standing up and giving hope to people without any, not by skulking about supporting the Government at this difficult time for the country, like some spooky shill.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Agree. Blinder Data is often mired in the land of 'you can't do this, you must do this' because of a strange allegiance to imposed perceived wisdom (much of which comes from ex politicians, pundits and lobby journalists for whom this is all a football season, an imagination free zone where they take years to come to terms with anyone who doesn't play by their rules) none of which has taken Labour anywhere other than closer to the drain.

What Starmer could start by doing is surprising someone by not being a drab quotidian dolt and dullard, make the public who have already written him off think twice and consider that "you know what, maybe he is his own man, I don't mind that sort of thing occasionally". Instead he retreats into his Milibandine prison, confined in the tiny cell he has designed, along with help from others, for himself to occupy. "What do Home owner occupiers in Crawley aged 45-60 think of my shadow??"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 12:56:50 PM
lmao hes dropped a point in the polls. Still the vaccine bounce keith, ya cunt?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blinder Data on August 12, 2021, 01:04:10 PM
Agree. Blinder Data is often mired in the land of 'you can't do this, you must do this' because of a strange allegiance to imposed perceived wisdom (much of which comes from ex politicians, pundits and lobby journalists for whom this is all a football season, an imagination free zone where they take years to come to terms with anyone who doesn't play by their rules) none of which has taken Labour anywhere other than closer to the drain.

What Starmer could start by doing is surprising someone by not being a drab quotidian dolt and dullard, make the public who have already written him off think twice and consider that "you know what, maybe he is his own man, I don't mind that sort of thing occasionally". Instead he retreats into his Milibandine prison, confined in the tiny cell he has designed, along with help from others, for himself to occupy. "What do Home owner occupiers in Crawley aged 45-60 think of my shadow??"

I was talking specifically and only about the general principle of calling for resignations. None of what I said excuses Starmer's timidity, lack of imagination and poor decision-making as displayed so far. The ad hominem stuff on me reminds me why I don't post in politics threads anymore.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 12, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
the Alpaca Issue and all the other foot in mouth movements moments, Keith's had.

TB not foot in mouth.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 12, 2021, 01:40:15 PM
lmao hes dropped a point in the polls. Still the vaccine bounce keith, ya cunt?

As someone pointed out, it's a shame the llama stuff didn't hit an uptick:
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The absolute funniest thing that could happen would be if a tiny coincidental spike in Starmer's approval ratings convinced the nerds in his back room that the key to number 10 was satisfying the British public's atavistic desire for animal blood.

Give it six months and he'll be visibly aroused gassing kittens at an animal shelter on the eve of a by-election before the seat swings to the Lib Dems

https://twitter.com/EXECUTIVESTEVE/status/1425574124617928711
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
He is so fucking rubbish at even playing the straight sensible man. funny how his little paddy with the pubowner in Bath never became a Gillan Duffy moment. Or the time he cunted a pleb off their bike with his Toyota. Loads and loads of passes but theyre letting him off. Until the next election.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on August 12, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Politicians can only call for someone to be sacked once, so it's best to do it when it appears that you are part of a rising tide of public opinion that bears some responsibility for the eventual decision (even when you don't).

Calling for a government politician to be sacked is a non-story anyway. It's a fundamental aspect of the opposition that they want the whole government sacked so they can replace them. Calling for it at the wrong time might even help keep embattled politicians in place.

Indeed. Up here the Tories are constantly calling for Sturgeon and/or Swinney to resign and it just becomes (even) more background noise each time they do it. The no-confidence votes were something of a damp squib as a result. And I say this as someone who takes pleasure in either of those chancers being humiliated, although this is tempered by the fact that if they were deposed they’d only be replaced by someone worse. Which in Swinney’s case takes some doing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 12, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
Starmer just doesn't register. You can't remember his face, you can't remember his voice, you can't remember anything he says or anything he's done. He's like a drawing done by a child who just drew a small circle and then got bored and went outside.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 02:08:13 PM
Indeed. Up here the Tories are constantly calling for Sturgeon and/or Swinney to resign and it just becomes (even) more background noise each time they do it. The no-confidence votes were something of a damp squib as a result. And I say this as someone who takes pleasure in either of those chancers being humiliated, although this is tempered by the fact that if they were deposed they’d only be replaced by someone worse. Which in Swinney’s case takes some doing.

Problem is, each time one of our leaders says nothing at all as a minister's "friend" walks off smirking with a huge wad of our money or some bigwig spends their time ranting about illegitimate children and feckless fathers whilst spunking out their own and not even acknowledging them or they tell us, straight, that people will not be returned to care homes without being tested, a tiny Truth-fairy dies.  Eventually, you end up in a cell with the other Enemies of the People, wondering which one is fattest and would taste best raw.

Which is better?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: suelgi on August 12, 2021, 02:11:47 PM
Len's new book is gonna be fun.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-go-under-with-starmer-at-the-helm-says-outgoing-unite-boss-12379155
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 12, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
One of the few reasons I'm still in the party is for the times I have an opportunity to vote on something within Labour and it's a chance for one more vote against Starmer's toe-the-line-with-Johnsonism-bullshit.

I mean, Britain is facing two of its worst crises since the Second World War - covid and climate change - and we have the most pleasing Labour leader for the Tories since the party was former. The Tories must love Starmer, they know it's partly due to him that they are ahead in the polls despite their handling of the pandemic and Brexit. It's shameful that this man is still leading the party, he's not fit to be a parish councillor let alone the leader of what is meant to be a socialist party holding the Government of the day to account.

Starmer has shown more aggression towards one possibly diseased alpaca than the group of venal scumbags dragging this country further into ruin. He is worth less than a turd in a toilet bowl.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 12, 2021, 04:13:02 PM
Len's new book is gonna be fun.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-go-under-with-starmer-at-the-helm-says-outgoing-unite-boss-12379155

Not sure what all the redacted business is about. Is it just a publicity thing?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 04:19:48 PM
Dunno.  Interesting though. 

Quote from: that article
Then comes the two-page redaction. And he adds defiantly: "I am so confident of the account I have given here that I have submitted it for use in legal proceedings and will stand by it in court."

Sounds as if there are legal proceedings currently involving this material, maybe that's the reason, whatever it is, I am extremely eager to read the book.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on August 12, 2021, 05:11:06 PM
Not sure what all the redacted business is about. Is it just a publicity thing?

It says "redacted until publication next month," so yeah, presumably.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 12, 2021, 05:47:28 PM
all the time to talk about killing alpacas but no time to talk to people interested in the 'green new deal' eh
https://twitter.com/GNDRising/status/1425821785488969744
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 06:00:56 PM
Starting to warm to the black Toyota. If that was labour leader, it would be twenty points in front.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 12, 2021, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: Keith there
Yuh, yuh, shoor.  Greennewdeal.  Cambo.  COP bringtheworldtegetha.  BUT a fair transition.


What is a fair transition, Keith?  What does that mean?  Is it code for Big Oil getting the profit it wants, I think so.  Who is that fair to?  Who is Labour promising to be fair to?

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 06:13:45 PM
Starmer reduced (or should that be elevated?) to sidelines punditry on any given issue. There are all sorts of sports pundits from motormouth reactionaries to those quite like Keith - safety first, don't rock the boat, don't offer insight, just react in the dullest way possible in a fashion they've looked around to check isn't standing out too much.

No-one remembers anything they say, no-one puts them on lists of favourites, they blend into the background. In political terms, going nowhere fast.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 06:30:21 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/12/keir-starmer-forcing-people-return-offices-wrongheaded-work-from-home

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Jeremy Corbyn will not be allowed back into the parliamentary party without giving an apology over the issue of antisemitism in Labour, taking a Facebook post down and working with the leadership on antisemitism. Corbyn had the whip suspended in October 2020 over the Facebook post, which said the scale of antisemitism within Labour was “dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party” – a statement that remains online.

(https://i.imgur.com/bQbkJBb.jpg)

(fuck you guardian for so aggressively banning hotlinking I have to download this and reupload it)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 12, 2021, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: Keith there
Yuh, yuh, shoor.  Greennewdeal.  Cambo.  COP bringtheworldtegetha. 

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p089y824.jpg)

if only he wasn't 'silstaddin' eh readers?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: thugler on August 12, 2021, 06:52:57 PM
a statement that remains unequivocally and demonstrably true. Can't someone actually put the facts to Starmer on this. It's proper gaslighting stuff.

How dare he say this thing which is true.

Or even the fact that based on the report, he should not be deciding who is and isn't allowed back in based on his whims either.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 12, 2021, 07:11:09 PM
Goodbye Geronimo
I feel for you with all of my heart
But I'm afraid a bolt pistol
Must break your skull apart

And it seems to me, you lived your life
Like a llama with TB
I know you're an alpaca, but that didnt fit
I would've liked to wear your yarn
But in the furnace it must go
No exceptions to be had
It is the law, you know.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 12, 2021, 08:39:23 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/12/keir-starmer-forcing-people-return-offices-wrongheaded-work-from-home

(https://i.imgur.com/bQbkJBb.jpg)

(fuck you guardian for so aggressively banning hotlinking I have to download this and reupload it)
Congrats, current members of the Labour Party, for the people you give your money and time to are definitely listening! Just a bit longer!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 12, 2021, 09:05:24 PM
a statement that remains unequivocally and demonstrably true. Can't someone actually put the facts to Starmer on this. It's proper gaslighting stuff.

How dare he say this thing which is true.

Or even the fact that based on the report, he should not be deciding who is and isn't allowed back in based on his whims either.

I sincerely hope Jezza tells Starmer to stick it up his arse. It's already made me decide I will never vote Labour again in my life. The party is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays. Some good people in it of course but the leadership and those pulling the strings are sheer scum. I can't wait till they get wiped out in the next election.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 12, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
Quote
Can't someone actually put the facts to Starmer on this.

The Israel lobby is close to being a terror organisation, providing you include psychological terror, blackmail/intimidation etc a form of terrorism (which I happen to).

Anyway, that's why no-one from the centre will be 'putting the facts to Starmer', because they are afraid of fights with horrible powerful foes and don't want to sabotage their careers.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 12, 2021, 10:04:38 PM
Congrats, current members of the Labour Party, for the people you give your money and time to are definitely listening! Just a bit longer!

See? You can't leave it alone, can you, lexiter?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 13, 2021, 08:32:26 AM
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Jewish Labour members nearly five times more likely to be charged with antisemitism in Starmer's Labour Party than non Jewish members, says report by Jewish Voice for Labour, a left wing, pro-Corbyn Jewish group in submission to EHRC.
https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1425848610294489094
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 08:49:10 AM
I bet that won't get reported in the Jewish Chronicle.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 09:03:06 AM
If we have to suspend thousands and thousands of Jewish members we will do that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 09:06:48 AM
Can I just take this opportunity, before Uncle Len's book comes out, just to remind everyone how much I dislike and mistrust Angela Rayner?  Ta.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 13, 2021, 09:44:32 AM
I have an old mate who pretty much an unreconstructed Blairite. I don't see him very often nowadays and don't talk politics when we do but he's just tweeted a survey by the New Statesman saying that more Labour members now are positive about Blair than the comparable figures in January 2020 (55% compared to 37%) while there has been an equal percentage fall in those who are positive about Corbyn (71% to 53%). He seems to see this as as a sign that the 'new-look Labour membership under Keir Starmer associates itself far more with doers than a talker. Voters will too.'

I mean I like the guy a lot, but this is really clutching at straws. The 'new look' membership is because the party has done its best to purge itself of members who supported Corbyn (and Corbyn himself) but he is still only 2% behind Blair, who is undoubtedly running the party in the background now. Desperate stuff.

And I hate to contradict him but voters will fucking not. Most people I know, Labour members/supporters or not, absolutely detest Blair.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 13, 2021, 09:51:32 AM
The Labour right have total contempt for the membership so pure expediency there. Signposts and weathervanes.

https://labourlist.org/2014/07/labour-need-more-signposts-not-weathervanes/
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 13, 2021, 10:04:55 AM
'new-look Labour membership under Keir Starmer associates itself far more with doers than a talker. Voters will too.'


Did you ask him what it is he thinks kier has actually done?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 13, 2021, 10:10:24 AM
'Be a smart looking bland blank sheet I can project all my sensible grown up real world milquetoast hopes and dreams on'
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 13, 2021, 10:10:36 AM
Did you ask him what it is he thinks kier has actually done?

Nah. I don't get into Twitter arguments and knowing him I doubt if there's anything I could say to change his views. But of course Corbyn fans are the real cult members.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 10:57:37 AM
I sincerely hope Jezza tells Starmer to stick it up his arse. It's already made me decide I will never vote Labour again in my life. The party is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays. Some good people in it of course but the leadership and those pulling the strings are sheer scum. I can't wait till they get wiped out in the next election.

 "The party is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays" Really?! Bit ridiculous... so you'd rather have Tory governments, with their endless corruption and disdain for working-class people, for at least the next decade, than Labour under Starmer? I know he's not great, not by a long shot - but surely you can agree that even a milquetoast Blairite-ish government would be better than the current shower of shit we have in power?

Can I just take this opportunity, before Uncle Len's book comes out, just to remind everyone how much I dislike and mistrust Angela Rayner?  Ta.

"Uncle Len..."?! Ugh... he's a thug and a gangster. And he had an affair with Karie Murphy. Just thought I'd mention that seeing as no one else here has. And as for your Rayner comment... you seem to just hate anyone who isn't a raging Commie.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 11:14:02 AM
Karie, Karie[1] Murphy.  What business is that of yours or mine? 

I dislike Rayner because she left RLB (and Corbyn) to swing.  Because she threatened thousands and thousands of members.  I despise her for her vanity and her greed, not great traits in a person whose job it is to guide and protect others.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/24/angela-rayner-corbyn-did-not-command-respect-from-labour
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mps-star-wars-r2-d2-10409810
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/rayner-if-we-have-to-suspend-thousands-and-thousands-of-members-we-will/
 1. You edited
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 11:22:26 AM
Karie, Karie Murphy.  What business is that of yours or mine? 

I dislike Rayner because she left RLB (and Corbyn) to swing.  Because she threatened thousands and thousands of members.  I despise her for her vanity and her greed, not great traits in a person whose job it is to guide and protect others.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/24/angela-rayner-corbyn-did-not-command-respect-from-labour
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mps-star-wars-r2-d2-10409810
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/rayner-if-we-have-to-suspend-thousands-and-thousands-of-members-we-will/

Sorry - blame autocorrect! If you re-read my post you'll see I changed it.

I bet if Rayner or Starmer had had affairs you would be all over it - but because it's Len, one of your fellow travellers, you go all high and mighty and make out it's a private matter (which I guess it is - but it's still rank hypocrisy). And does it really matter what Angela Rayner spends her money on?! What business is that of yours and mine? I note that previously you have slagged Jess Phillips off for wearing expensive clothes. I daresay you're just envious that you can't afford such clothes. Yes, writing a letter to the shoe shop on House of Commons paper was stupid and irresponsible and entitled - but I daresay that had Corbyn or RLB done the same, you would have forgiven them a lot more easily.

"threatened thousands and thousands of members..."

1) She was obviously just saying that to sound tough on antisemitism. Rightly or wrongly, AS was a big reason that we lost the 2019 election so badly - and I think they really do have to address that to win in 2024.
2) Antisemitism is a big problem in the Labour Party - and something I have witnessed first hand.
3) You make it sound as if she were a landlord threatening to evict thousands and thousands of people. It's just a political party. If they feel it is unfair, then they should be able to appeal that suspension.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 13, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
"The party is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays" Really?! Bit ridiculous... so you'd rather have Tory governments, with their endless corruption and disdain for working-class people, for at least the next decade, than Labour under Starmer? I know he's not great, not by a long shot - but surely you can agree that even a milquetoast Blairite-ish government would be better than the current shower of shit we have in power?.

The Conservatives are supposed to be corrupt. It's their entire raison d'etre. And I'm sorry, but I'm not accepting that 'if you don't support Labour you're helping the Tories' bullshit. What the last few years have shown is that elements of the Labour Party are just as corrupt as the Tories. In some cases probably more so. I can not support a party where a crook like Mandelson - sacked from the Cabinet twice for dishonesty lest we forget - is in a prominent position. It was hard enough when he wasn't, just knowing he was in the background trying to undermine the democratically-elected leader. So I'll say it again. Labour is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays. It truly disgusts me. And I speak as someone who has voted Labour since 1983, except for a couple of occasions when I was in a Tory/Lib Dem marginal and wanted to get the former out.

I now live in one of the safest Labour constituencies in the country so my withdrawn vote won't make any difference at all anyway. If I lived in a marginal Labour seat I may have reconsidered depending on the MP, but I don't so I won't. Labour is dead to me,
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
The Conservatives are supposed to be corrupt. It's their entire raison d'etre. And I'm sorry, but I'm not accepting that 'if you don't support Labour you're helping the Tories' bullshit. What the last few years have shown is that elements of the Labour Party are just as corrupt as the Tories. In some cases probably more so. I can not support a party where a crook like Mandelson - sacked from the Cabinet twice for dishonesty lest we forget - is in a prominent position. It was hard enough when he wasn't, just knowing he was in the background trying to undermine the democratically-elected leader. So I'll say it again. Labour is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays. It truly disgusts me. And I speak as someone who has voted Labour since 1983, except for a couple of occasions when I was in a Tory/Lib Dem marginal and wanted to get the former out.

I now live in one of the safest Labour constituencies in the country so my withdrawn vote won't make any difference at all anyway. If I lived in a marginal Labour seat I may have reconsidered depending on the MP, but I don't so I won't. Labour is dead to me,

Why don't you go and join Socialist Worker, then, and you can go to protests waving their placards, seeing as that's all that party seems to do? What you seem to be saying basically boils down to "Tories and Labour are both corrupt, so I'd rather have full-fat corruption as opposed to diet corruption". Okay. Suppose Labour really are as corrupt as you believe them to be. Surely having a corrupt government that at least gives something back to the working classes, and people less fortunate, is better than a corrupt government that only looks after its rich friends and donors?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
Fucking hell...

that's it, tell someone who's voted Labour since 1983 to fuck off and join the Socialist Workers. What a refreshingly new thing to say.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 11:46:01 AM
Fucking hell...

that's it, tell someone who's voted Labour since 1983 to fuck off and join the Socialist Workers. What a refreshingly new thing to say.

But you don't deny that you and your clique are all on the far-left?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 13, 2021, 11:47:39 AM
Tower Hamlets - In May 2018, Labour won this ward by a 1200 vote majority.

Yesterday Labour lost this seat by almost 500 votes to an Independent Party candidate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8oNGqDX0AEdWsf?format=jpg&name=large)

Or fuck off and join Aspire, whatever that is. Many options.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 11:48:27 AM
But you don't deny that you and your clique are all on the far-left?

My clique?

I am left wing, yes. I believe in trade unionism too.

Do you deny that you and your clique are on the right? I mean why else do see socialists as the enemy?

Actually i don't care, I can read this shit all over my local Labour Facebook groups. Why don't you join the Socialist Workers indeed.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 11:50:48 AM
Oh look

Quote
Go back to your hammer and sickle and apologising for being English.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 11:52:12 AM
My clique?

I am left wing, yes. I believe in trade unionism too.

Do you deny that you and your clique are on the right? I mean why else do see socialists as the enemy?

Actually i don't care, I can read this shit all over my local Labour Facebook groups. Why don't you join the Socialist Workers indeed.

I didn't ask if you were left wing. I asked if you were on the far left. There is a difference. I am not right wing in the slightest. I am on the left, but not far left. To the left of Blair but to the right of Corbyn. I too believe in trade unionism.

Oh look

I stand by what I said that time. There was A LOT of hatred for England and the English in that thread. And yes, this forum may as well be a communist forum.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 13, 2021, 11:53:20 AM
Tower Hamlets - In May 2018, Labour won this ward by a 1200 vote majority.

Yesterday Labour lost this seat by almost 500 votes to an Independent Party candidate.

Or fuck off and join Aspire, whatever that is. Many options.

There is some local stuff going on there that ought to be pointed out:
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Next year John Biggs - who recently used #fireandrehire against council staff during the pandemic; whose council (unsuccessfully thankfully) prosecuted Apsana Begum who supported staff who went on strike against it - is standing for re-election as mayor. I predict he will lose.

https://twitter.com/troovus/status/1425969418669023241
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 13, 2021, 11:54:49 AM
Why don't you go and join Socialist Worker, then, and you can go to protests waving their placards, seeing as that's all that party seems to do? What you seem to be saying basically boils down to "Tories and Labour are both corrupt, so I'd rather have full-fat corruption as opposed to diet corruption". Okay. Suppose Labour really are as corrupt as you believe them to be. Surely having a corrupt government that at least gives something back to the working classes, and people less fortunate, is better than a corrupt government that only looks after its rich friends and donors?


Ooh, it's the old 'why don't you join Socialist Worker' bit? Can you really not think of anything better - or if not better at least more original - than that?

Enjoy the efforts in getting your bunch of (very slightly) less crooked bunch of crooks into power. And if by some miracle you do, you can shaft the working classes while pretending to support them. Just like last time. Sleep well.

PS, in case you think I'm some sort of rabid extremist I'm a former party member with a degree and MA in politics and a partly completed (and frankly unlikely to be completed) PhD based on certain aspects of New Labour policy. I was very supportive of the Blair government until the tarnish started coming off. So if people like me are disgusted by the party nowadays it might be an idea to ponder why instead of the boring old 'why don't you get your placards out and protest while the grown ups are in charge?' bit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 13, 2021, 11:57:37 AM
I didn't ask if you were left wing. I asked if you were on the far left. There is a difference. I am not right wing in the slightest. I am on the left, but not far left. To the left of Blair but to the right of Corbyn. I too believe in trade unionism.

I stand by what I said that time. There was A LOT of hatred for England and the English in that thread. And yes, this forum may as well be a communist forum.

right wing then
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 11:59:24 AM
Guh-ha. Good one.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 12:00:55 PM
right wing then

No, soft left. Social democracy, in other words.

You know what? Fuck this. I'll leave you all to it. I'm not achieving anything here. You're not going to change my mind, nor I yours. So I bid you all goodbye. I'm sorry for acting like a complete cunt.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Theremin on August 13, 2021, 12:03:01 PM
What you seem to be saying basically boils down to "Tories and Labour are both corrupt, so I'd rather have full-fat corruption as opposed to diet corruption".

For people (like me) inclined to go "Fuck it, I'm no longer seriously supporting or paying attention to Labour.", that's not quite the calculation being made.

It's not totting up the relative shiteness of two shite things, it's concluding that neither of the things meet a threshold to be worth time or attention.

That is to say: It seems (to some) overwhelmingly unlikely that any effort or calories spent following either of the two main parties results in a material benefit to life. Even less a benefit proportional to the drain from despressively reading relevant news or knocking on doors for the local pro-landlord Labour ghoul (hello, Thangam).

Since the 2019 election, I've totally disengaged with Labour and British electoral politics - and my quality of life is massively improved.

Apart from looking at this thread occasionally and hearing about stuff from friends, I've followed nowt. Speaking totally personally, it feels like a cloud has lifted.

I don't regret spending a bit of time working with local Labour during the Corbyn years, but the amount of compartmentalising and mental gymnastics I felt myself doing to ignore almost everything else about the party feels midly cult-like in retrospect.

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Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 13, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
Where do you stand on the execution of Geronimo the alpaca, Vyv?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 12:08:13 PM
Sorry - blame autocorrect! If you re-read my post you'll see I changed it.

I bet if Rayner or Starmer had had affairs you would be all over it - but because it's Len, one of your fellow travellers, you go all high and mighty and make out it's a private matter (which I guess it is - but it's still rank hypocrisy). And does it really matter what Angela Rayner spends her money on?! What business is that of yours and mine? I note that previously you have slagged Jess Phillips off for wearing expensive clothes. I daresay you're just envious that you can't afford such clothes. Yes, writing a letter to the shoe shop on House of Commons paper was stupid and irresponsible and entitled - but I daresay that had Corbyn or RLB done the same, you would have forgiven them a lot more easily.

"threatened thousands and thousands of members..."

1) She was obviously just saying that to sound tough on antisemitism. Rightly or wrongly, AS was a big reason that we lost the 2019 election so badly - and I think they really do have to address that to win in 2024.
2) Antisemitism is a big problem in the Labour Party - and something I have witnessed first hand.
3) You make it sound as if she were a landlord threatening to evict thousands and thousands of people. It's just a political party. If they feel it is unfair, then they should be able to appeal that suspension.

I think you have not the remotest idea of my motivations.  I couldn't give a flying fuck for expensive clothes, not at all my thing. 

I mind about Rayner (and Phillips) because it speaks to their priorities - aping the existing shitshow and encouraging others, many without the wherewithal to do it, to join in the empty capitalist dance of greed and envy.  I mind more in the Rayner case because she used her privilege, as a spokesperson for the working class, to undermine the employment security of a member of that class (the shoe shop employee), over her personal desire (not need) for a pair of ridiculous expensive shoes.  What kind of fucking solidarity is that?

We only know about Len and Karie because they told us.  Why would I care?  The only reason I'd care about other people having sex (or not) in the privacy of their own homes is if they spoke out against people doing that, whilst doing it.  Or if Keith was knobbing Jenny Chapman, for instance, I'd think it was interesting because it would make me wonder, like with Gina Coladangelo or Jennifer Arcuri, if the judgement of Keith's sad old penis was taken into account when he supported her employment.  A bit like when we all laughed about Blair fucking Wendi Deng, only in that case, if it happened, it would be the cuck doing the employing.

The biggest problem Labour has with antisemitism it that it suspends five times more Jews for that crime than gentiles.  That and getting everyone to pretend that what Corbyn said, to quote Keith in the Guardian -
Quote
Jeremy Corbyn will not be allowed back into the parliamentary party without giving an apology over the issue of antisemitism in Labour, taking a Facebook post down and working with the leadership on antisemitism. Corbyn had the whip suspended in October 2020 over the Facebook post, which said the scale of antisemitism within Labour was “dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party” – a statement that remains online.

is not absolutely true.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 12:10:33 PM
No, soft left. Social democracy, in other words.

You know what? Fuck this. I'll leave you all to it. I'm not achieving anything here. You're not going to change my mind, nor I yours. So I bid you all goodbye. I'm sorry for acting like a complete cunt.

Simnock was backing you up and taking the piss out of the rest of us.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 12:12:05 PM
Simnock was backing you up and taking the piss out of the rest of us.

My apologies. It's sometimes hard to tell in the written word who is being sarcastic and who is being sincere.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 13, 2021, 12:15:54 PM
this forum may as well be a communist forum.

nothing wrong with that. actually it's not communist enough for my liking at times
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 12:17:43 PM
Mine neither.

My apologies. It's sometimes hard to tell in the written word who is being sarcastic and who is being sincere.

I sincerely think you're a tosser if it helps.  I also, sincerely, believe that's not the first username you've had here, Vyv.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on August 13, 2021, 12:18:25 PM
"The party is basically a criminal enterprise nowadays" Really?! Bit ridiculous... so you'd rather have Tory governments, with their endless corruption and disdain for working-class people, for at least the next decade, than Labour under Starmer? I know he's not great, not by a long shot - but surely you can agree that even a milquetoast Blairite-ish government would be better than the current shower of shit we have in power?

The same shit but delivered with sad face; been there, done that, no thanks. Reality is that Starmer won't get anywhere near power because his whole project is based on the false premise that he can succeed by condescending to gammons.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 13, 2021, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Withnail
I know he's not great, not by a long shot - but surely you can agree that even a milquetoast Blairite-ish government would be better than the current shower of shit we have in power

Oh this one is easy, at least test us with something that hasn't been spluttered over and over and been answered over and over.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Endicott on August 13, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
I didn't ask if you were left wing. I asked if you were on the far left. There is a difference. I am not right wing in the slightest. I am on the left, but not far left. To the left of Blair but to the right of Corbyn. I too believe in trade unionism.

But not the Len McCluskey version of it, am I right?

When Corbyn was LOTO he put out many olive branches to you and the people who represent you in the party. You know, all that broad church stuff. You remember his first shadow cabinet, right?

And you remember the response, coordinated resignations, undermining everything he said, conspiring to divert funds during the 2017 election, you remember all that, yes?

If you think that behaviour hasn't had a lasting effect on how you and your ilk are perceived, you must be daft.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 13, 2021, 12:25:06 PM

 I was very supportive of the Blair government until the tarnish started coming off.

Varnish not tarnish.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 12:26:13 PM
Imagine sharing a party with this man

https://twitter.com/BrendanChilton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

(http://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/228924898_1160413264480009_5785984402376597659_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=oq0bkZb6tbYAX8S5T4Q&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=6e3b91f6b37037475e5c84bb9d9357ce&oe=61388F1A)



Twitter account is private now.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 12:28:58 PM
Mine neither.

I sincerely think you're a tosser if it helps.  I also, sincerely, believe that's not the first username you've had here, Vyv.

If it’s any consolation the feeling is mutual. I just don’t understand how anyone with a functioning brain can believe that everyone should be paid the same. It’s a nonsense. And no, Bueller, my love, this is my only account I have ever had on here.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 12:31:08 PM
But not the Len McCluskey version of it, am I right?

When Corbyn was LOTO he put out many olive branches to you and the people who represent you in the party. You know, all that broad church stuff. You remember his first shadow cabinet, right?

And you remember the response, coordinated resignations, undermining everything he said, conspiring to divert funds during the 2017 election, you remember all that, yes?

If you think that behaviour hasn't had a lasting effect on how you and your ilk are perceived, you must be daft.

No, because Len McCluskey is a thug and a gangster who supports right wing policies if they benefit him.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 13, 2021, 12:33:18 PM
If it’s any consolation the feeling is mutual. I just don’t understand how anyone with a functioning brain can believe that everyone should be paid the same. It’s a nonsense.

Wat.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 12:34:12 PM
Can't be Wat, he was a good lad.

If it’s any consolation the feeling is mutual. I just don’t understand how anyone with a functioning brain can believe that everyone should be paid the same. It’s a nonsense. And no, Bueller, my love, this is my only account I have ever had on here.

Paid?

No, because Len McCluskey is a thug and a gangster who supports right wing policies if they benefit him.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/15/1381855194943/Photo-Op-001.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&enable=upscale&s=812a159d7250fc7c9e6e27d933accb09)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 12:35:51 PM
Can't be Wat, he was a good lad.

Paid?

You know what I mean. The government owning EVERYTHING. No one being allowed to do ANYTHING without the governments approval. No one being allowed to have ANYTHING of their own.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 13, 2021, 12:37:22 PM
Can't be Wat, he was a good lad.

Paid?
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/15/1381855194943/Photo-Op-001.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&enable=upscale&s=812a159d7250fc7c9e6e27d933accb09)

Oh fuck off.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 12:37:51 PM
Wut?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 13, 2021, 12:39:25 PM
Check the post history.

Yet another 1 page non-entity who signed up a few years back only to barely use the account (almost as though someone felt having a few backups might be handy) whose only notable contributions are attacking the football thread for 'hating your own country' and attacking Corbyn/his supporters using the same arguments in the same style and phrasing. The most energised they can get are on those topics. What does that say?

Non-entity sock. Chalk it up.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Endicott on August 13, 2021, 12:42:08 PM
You know what I mean. The government owning EVERYTHING. No one being allowed to do ANYTHING without the governments approval. No one being allowed to have ANYTHING of their own.

No one here argues for this AND YOU KNOW IT.

I reckon that you'd prefer it if no-one took you seriously, because then you don't have to defend your position. Bye.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 13, 2021, 01:07:32 PM
Did Sir Cramp Nutsack throttle that alpaca to death yet
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greenman on August 13, 2021, 02:25:47 PM
Check the post history.

Yet another 1 page non-entity who signed up a few years back only to barely use the account (almost as though someone felt having a few backups might be handy) whose only notable contributions are attacking the football thread for 'hating your own country' and attacking Corbyn/his supporters using the same arguments in the same style and phrasing. The most energised they can get are on those topics. What does that say?

Non-entity sock. Chalk it up.

Honestly though its getting to the stage were we shouldnt have to be doing this, I strongly suspect almost all these kinds of accounts are actually only one or two people harassing these boards having been repetitively banned.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 13, 2021, 02:30:26 PM
Simnock was backing you up and taking the piss out of the rest of us.
ha ha ha yes that's exactly what i was doing
(https://i.imgur.com/VXw2zf4.gif?noredirect)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 02:31:16 PM
Okay. Who cares?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 13, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
who ever they are, they are certainly a nutter, best left alone
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 13, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
And yes, this forum may as well be a communist forum.

Brilliant! LOLling my little anarchist head off.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dallasman on August 13, 2021, 06:45:54 PM
Honestly though its getting to the stage were we shouldnt have to be doing this, I strongly suspect almost all these kinds of accounts are actually only one or two people harassing these boards having been repetitively banned.

It's literally the only explanation that makes any sense. There can't be more than two, maybe three people in the entire English-speaking world who think there's anything stupid about these threads.

How do you "repetitively" ban someone, though?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 13, 2021, 06:53:13 PM
I tend to not keep a close eye on threads I think are stupid.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 13, 2021, 06:58:04 PM
Honestly though its getting to the stage were we shouldnt have to be doing this, I strongly suspect almost all these kinds of accounts are actually only one or two people harassing these boards having been repetitively banned.

Couldn’t you log IP addresses or something?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 13, 2021, 07:05:27 PM
IP addresses aren't magic sigils. You can change and spoof them.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dallasman on August 13, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
I tend to not keep a close eye on threads I think are stupid.

Clearly.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dallasman on August 13, 2021, 07:18:33 PM
IP addresses aren't magic sigils. You can change and spoof them.

NOWHERE IS SAFE!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on August 13, 2021, 07:19:08 PM
Oops
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 07:23:22 PM
It's literally the only explanation that makes any sense. There can't be more than two, maybe three people in the entire English-speaking world who think there's anything stupid about these threads.

How do you "repetitively" ban someone, though?

Another explanation could be that there are people who come here, knowing the character and tone of here but still sign up as members.  Then get a little thrill popping into threads to act the cunt.

Why else would someone lurk here for years and then parachute in, not even with anything particularly new or intelligent to add, just run into the thread, shit themselves and stagger back out, dallasman?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dallasman on August 13, 2021, 08:10:05 PM
Speaking of parachutes...

(https://i.imgur.com/a2kHS7F.png)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: dallasman on August 13, 2021, 08:12:15 PM
Oops

Again? I'll call the nurse, but we're going to have a conversation about adult diapers, and you're not locking yourself in the cupboard this time.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 13, 2021, 08:21:53 PM
IP addresses aren't magic sigils. You can change and spoof them.

Right, well I didn’t know that, but there’s no need to be such a cunt about it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 13, 2021, 08:26:06 PM
I'm not sure he's being a cunt pigamus.  Don't take it to heart.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 13, 2021, 08:44:49 PM
Right, well I didn’t know that, but there’s no need to be such a cunt about it.

Sorry. Didn’t mean to be. Bit curt, I see now.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 13, 2021, 08:47:48 PM
weird how all those deranged dudes are instinctively drawn to this thread
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 13, 2021, 08:50:55 PM
Sorry. Didn’t mean to be. Bit curt, I see now.

Fair enough, we’ll say no more about it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 13, 2021, 09:12:00 PM
see the labour thread can be courteous
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 13, 2021, 09:17:16 PM
see the labour thread can be courteous

shut UP! fuck OFF!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 13, 2021, 09:38:17 PM
see the labour thread can be courteous

That’s it! The one thing that can unite the left….IP addresses and the ability to change them!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 14, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
That's Loach got the boot: https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1426488950001184771
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
Right.  That's it then.  I hope they all fucking die[1].
 1. Not really but you know, this is the End.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 14, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
how is that a good look. everyone knows who Ken Loach is. you're booting an 85-year-old famous socialist out of your nominally-socialist party.

well this a country where it's perfectly okay to have a journalistic career and say the leader of the opposition wants to reopen auschwitz. someone who wrote a grand-standing biography of Enoch Powell too. seems the labour party has fully embraced that now
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 14, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Briefcase labour probably think it looks 'sensible' and 'grown up'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on August 14, 2021, 11:54:29 AM
Nah, they're just hoping to see more socialists leave the party; that's what they want, as they want funding from big business (who don't want to fund a party full of socialists). That's what it's meant to look like.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: Ken Loach & Sixteen Films@KenLoachSixteen

'Labour HQ finally decided I'm not fit to be a member of their party, as I will not disown those already expelled. Well...' KL

Quote from: Ken Loach & Sixteen Films@KenLoachSixteen

'I am proud to stand with the good friends and comrades victimised by the purge. There is indeed a witch hunt....' KL

Quote from: Ken Loach & Sixteen Films@KenLoachSixteen

'Starmer and his clique will never lead a party of the people. We are many, they are few. Solidarity.' KL

https://twitter.com/KenLoachSixteen/status/1426478741455360003

Keir Starmer and his cunt pals and bosses can get to fuck.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 14, 2021, 12:54:27 PM
As I've already said, it's basically a criminal organisation now. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 14, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
My Facebook post on the subject.

Ken Loach has now been expelled from the Labour Party. Must have been because of his forthcoming film project, about a man who can't cope with his job so finds himself relying on a crime syndicate to survive. Working title: Sir Keith.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Dusty Substance on August 14, 2021, 01:29:27 PM

Ken Loach is expelled from The Labour Party.

I bet you're loving this on the Cookdandbombd forum.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 14, 2021, 01:35:45 PM
How pathetic. They sure know who the real enemy is don’t they?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 14, 2021, 01:45:13 PM
More tactics to get the people they really want (the left) out of the membership, and it might work. Corbyn and Loach gone, no sacred cows here.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 14, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
Nah, they're just hoping to see more socialists leave the party; that's what they want, as they want funding from big business (who don't want to fund a party full of socialists). That's what it's meant to look like.

More tactics to get the people they really want (the left) out of the membership, and it might work. Corbyn and Loach gone, no sacred cows here.

Thirded.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 14, 2021, 04:13:09 PM
Are they even pretending he's anti-semetic, or is it just a plain purge now?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 14, 2021, 05:58:07 PM
Nah, they're just hoping to see more socialists leave the party; that's what they want, as they want funding from big business (who don't want to fund a party full of socialists). That's what it's meant to look like.

they don't need to hope for anything, they're just expelling people
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 14, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
The most effective way to destroy any threat to the establishment is to take it over and hollow it out from within. Look at what they’ve to Labour, SNP and now even Plaid. Same tactic in all cases and it’s incredibly effective.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 07:05:02 PM
Indeed.  Check out what football fans are doing about the Glazers and their friends.  Just letting these cunts get on with it is not an answer.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/113C6/production/_118189507_gettyimages-1232494972.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 08:06:30 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1426495471628034051
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 08:09:52 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1426502757549232128
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: Yanis Varoufakis
So, it’s come to that: Ken Loach is now the target of a character assassination campaign waged by those who will stop at nothing to shield the apartheid policies of Israel. Their message to people of good conscience is simple: Unless you too want to be tainted as an antisemite, keep quiet about the crimes against humanity and the assault on human rights in the land of Palestine. They are putting the rest of us on notice: If we can do this to Ken Loach, a man who has spent his life championing the victims of oppression, racism and discrimination, imagine what we shall do to you. If you dare support the Palestinians’ human rights, we will claim that you hate the Jews.

https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/in-defence-of-ken-loach

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 14, 2021, 09:27:51 PM
These people are just scum

(https://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/228675618_520277849047727_1101263936385818570_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=z76Qb7tpujoAX9NSkz4&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=9943d8b0e8c91a82cedc0cf925279887&oe=613C377B)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 14, 2021, 09:34:37 PM
Heheh, just look at the man's RTs (https://twitter.com/labourdave) though, you couldn't make it up, just cunt upon cunt.  No room in a party like that for anyone who believes in socialism or even truth.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 14, 2021, 09:46:09 PM
my god his follower ratio. if you follow 878 people you'd hope more than 213 would follow you back
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Lordofthefiles on August 14, 2021, 10:30:50 PM
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/in-defence-of-ken-loach

That’s righteous as fuck.

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 14, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
my god his follower ratio. if you follow 878 people you'd hope more than 213 would follow you back

Also, I know I’m a terrible snob but surely even small children know the difference between a noun and an adjective
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 15, 2021, 12:47:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8x-OTFXsAAzCx0?format=jpg&name=small)

lol
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 15, 2021, 04:29:41 AM
Richard Pipe, suck my pipe.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 15, 2021, 04:30:35 AM
Timotheus Bratt, lick my twat.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 06:31:54 AM
If you haven't already, can I suggest you watch Al Jazeera's The Lobby (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCOhdgRBoc), as lovely Ken suggests.  Also think about BDS (https://bdsmovement.net/) and how you can contribute to the movement.  Do something positive, educate yourself, make change happen, solidarity with all oppressed people, stand with Ken Loach.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 15, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
The first one is a parody account. Which makes it funnier that prick took him at face value and said something even stupider. "I genuinely believe he is better, even though it's not clear who he is or what he believes"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Jockice on August 15, 2021, 09:35:58 AM
Richard Pipe, suck my pipe.

There are Pipes in my family you know.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 09:37:47 AM
From a Mumsnet thread about the expulsion of Ken Loach (which I don’t agree with, btw):
Quote
If Labour wants to win again it must start actually listening to the ordinary working people outside the M25 whose economic interests it is supposed to represent, instead of listening to the obsessions of its own left wing activists

Traditional white working class Labour voters in Stoke, Mansfield or Hartlepool who feel ignored and abandoned don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They are not interested in patronising lectures about Trans rights. Nor do they appreciate sneering at their patriotism and desire for law & order, or telling them that their concerns about uncontrolled mass immigration are racist.

Traditional white working class Labour voters in Hartlepool voted for the Tories. Even though Corbyn is GONE.

I’m an ‘ordinary working person’, do I not get a say?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 09:39:51 AM
The first one is a parody account. Which makes it funnier that prick took him at face value and said something even stupider. "I genuinely believe he is better, even though it's not clear who he is or what he believes"

Indeed.
(https://methodshop.com/wp-content/uploads/spinal-tap-stonehenge.jpg)

Sincerely hope Keith chokes on some vomit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 15, 2021, 09:44:52 AM
[Oh that pun doesn't work. NM]
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 15, 2021, 11:22:05 AM
Quote
Goodbye Ken Loach. You were against Labour in Government and fielded people against us even 5 years after we left office, helping the Tories, but still mindless cretins pretend you were Labour. Are soul, according to those who surely misheard or maybe mistyped.  Good riddance.

https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1426688129168285698

half-past midnight, probably pissed up
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 15, 2021, 11:25:52 AM
Pretty sure hes a genuine alcoholic at this point
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 15, 2021, 11:42:40 AM
https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1426688129168285698

half-past midnight, probably pissed up

In the replies:

Quote from: Bob @ChanceRchance
Replying to @coyleneil

To all those resigning to protest Loach's expulsion , thank you

9:08 am · 15 Aug 2021

https://twitter.com/ChanceRchance/status/1426817984337743877
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
Johnny, I understand that you think you're right about this. 

But other people think you're wrong. 

Do you want to talk about it?  If not, I suggest you stop bringing it up.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Rizla on August 15, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Diseased, demented, depressing https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787 (https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787)

How do you craft a cunt like that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on August 15, 2021, 03:59:40 PM
they don't need to hope for anything, they're just expelling people

They're expelling a few people.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 15, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Diseased, demented, depressing https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787 (https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787)

How do you craft a cunt like that.

James Cleverly among those replying to the tweet.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 04:23:59 PM
Diseased, demented, depressing https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787 (https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787)

How do you craft a cunt like that.

Heheh, why did you make me see that?  Why do I have to know that there are people like that?  I mean, is Art a competition?

Having said that, I think this (https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw232840/Tony-Blair-Photo-Op) is a pretty powerful piece of modern art, dunno what its score is though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Rizla on August 15, 2021, 04:28:21 PM
James Cleverly among those replying to the tweet.
Also GIFs of 2012 olympic ceremony. A pox upon these asleep cunts, fuck every last one of them.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 04:33:28 PM
Diseased, demented, depressing https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787 (https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787)

How do you craft a cunt like that.
Oh FFS.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 15, 2021, 04:46:08 PM
There are Pipes in my family you know.

(https://i1.wp.com/noisetosignal.org/pipes3.jpg?w=640)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 15, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
Perhaps it would be easier to phrase it another way - is there anything at all that would make you leave the Labour Party?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: canadagoose on August 15, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
From a Mumsnet thread about the expulsion of Ken Loach (which I don’t agree with, btw):
Traditional white working class Labour voters in Hartlepool voted for the Tories. Even though Corbyn is GONE.

I’m an ‘ordinary working person’, do I not get a say?
That (the post you quoted) is the usual Blairite framing of "the white working class". Hate it hate it hate it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Rizla on August 15, 2021, 05:03:23 PM
It's not like we didn't know all these FBPE blue tick thick, smug centrist scum were culturally illiterate populist philistines to a man. Just something about them, today of all days, gambolling about in their pants gaily flinging fistfuls of their foetid, impacted excrement at the walls is very damaging to the soul.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 05:10:13 PM
That (the post you quoted) is the usual Blairite framing of "the white working class". Hate it hate it hate it
If I wasn’t banned I’d ask why they assume BAME working-class people don’t exist.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: danwho9 on August 15, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
That (the post you quoted) is the usual Blairite framing of "the white working class". Hate it hate it hate it

Isn't it not so much Blairite as Embery-ite?

It will never cease to amuse me how much trans people live rent free in Mumsnetters heads.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 05:33:04 PM
It's not like we didn't know all these FBPE blue tick thick, smug centrist scum were culturally illiterate populist philistines to a man. Just something about them, today of all days, gambolling about in their pants gaily flinging fistfuls of their foetid, impacted excrement at the walls is very damaging to the soul.

I agree.  Almost makes me feel like Brexit was a good thing.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 15, 2021, 05:46:30 PM
Diseased, demented, depressing https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787 (https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1426804567229046787)

How do you craft a cunt like that.
Never heard of the cunt
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kankurette on August 15, 2021, 06:13:15 PM
Isn't it not so much Blairite as Embery-ite?

It will never cease to amuse me how much trans people live rent free in Mumsnetters heads.
They even made the murders in Plymouth about trans people. And in the thread about the NHS head, the first comment was a plea for no more ‘wokery’. As in pro-trans sentiment. There are definitely a few female Paul Emberys on there. They evidently missed the bit about Blue Labour being anti-feminist.

The FBPE crowd are embarrassing. A walking advert for Brexit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on August 15, 2021, 06:20:31 PM
I’m curious to know who the sensible grown-ups in the room think will vote for the Labour Party once all the social democrats (or, as they put it, the “far left”) have been expelled from it?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: canadagoose on August 15, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
I’m curious to know who the sensible grown-ups in the room think will vote for the Labour Party once all the social democrats (or, as they put it, the “far left”) have been expelled from it?
The dinner party brigade think there are more of them than there actually are. They refuse to admit they're a small minority who can't win elections. So God knows, in short.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 15, 2021, 06:33:03 PM
I’m curious to know who the sensible grown-ups in the room think will vote for the Labour Party once all the social democrats (or, as they put it, the “far left”) have been expelled from it?

I think there are a sizeable proportion who are simply working to end any chance of socialism happening in Britain.  And another very powerful tranche who want an end to BDS and any conversation about Palestine.  These people don't care whether Labour is ever elected again, in reality, IMO, their ideal would be for zombie Labour to live forever, dominating and poisoning the Left.  People in the PLP who're actively killing Labour mostly expect to go Umunna or Austin, either way, status and a fat regular check.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Goldentony on August 15, 2021, 06:35:25 PM
I’m curious to know who the sensible grown-ups in the room think will vote for the Labour Party once all the social democrats (or, as they put it, the “far left”) have been expelled from it?

people are sat quietly in their houses watching through the pampas grass waiting for the moment to emerge and vote this countrry back to glory like in 1996, theyve wanted to vote for so long now but the left has woked them into their own living rooms away from the polls for years now frightened and terrified and forced to start columns and sniping deals on New Balance trainers
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 15, 2021, 07:45:54 PM
I think there are a sizeable proportion who are simply working to end any chance of socialism happening in Britain.  And another very powerful tranche who want an end to BDS and any conversation about Palestine.  These people don't care whether Labour is ever elected again, in reality, IMO, their ideal would be for zombie Labour to live forever, dominating and poisoning the Left.  People in the PLP who're actively killing Labour mostly expect to go Umunna or Austin, either way, status and a fat regular check.

Yes. Their job is not to win but to occupy the space where real opposition should be.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: imitationleather on August 15, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
The Ken Loach expulsion has got a Starmer-loving centrist mate of mine who I've had such vicious WhatsApp arguments with over the past 18 months saying he's cancelling his Labour membership Direct Debit.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 15, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
Perhaps it would be easier to phrase it another way - is there anything at all that would make you leave the Labour Party?

only the labour party can save us

electoralism is so dull and uninspiring, in our current circumstances it seems particularly naive to think the youngsters are going to bother with it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 15, 2021, 08:58:29 PM
The Ken Loach expulsion has got a Starmer-loving centrist mate of mine who I've had such vicious WhatsApp arguments with over the past 18 months saying he's cancelling his Labour membership Direct Debit.

Shat the bed then left the bed. Some people have no sense of responsibility.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 15, 2021, 09:58:12 PM
It’s nice to think some of these people are reachable though. Rather ten of him than one Matt Forde.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 15, 2021, 10:23:22 PM
now that's a Fatt Morde!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 06:02:20 AM
The Ken Loach expulsion has got a Starmer-loving centrist mate of mine who I've had such vicious WhatsApp arguments with over the past 18 months saying he's cancelling his Labour membership Direct Debit.

If Loach is corrupt, wrong, evil, dirty, who is clean enough? 

No one viewing Loach's expulsion, no one with any intelligence or moral compass, can regard that decision with equanimity and remain in the Labour Party in good faith.  What are you, what is the Party, after that?

Quote from: Jeremy Corbyn@jeremycorbyn
Ken Loach has made outstanding films from Cathy Come Home to I Daniel Blake, directed brilliant broadcasts for Labour, and has always stood with the oppressed. He deserves our respect and solidarity. #StandWithKenLoach

Quote from: Yanis Varoufakis@yanisvaroufakis
Now that Starmer has proven his determination to purge Labour of its anti-fascist, anti-racist soul - by expelling Ken Loach - it is useful to read again Jonathan Cook's "The smearing of Ken Loach and Jeremy Corbyn is the face of our new toxic politics"

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020-04-08/ken-loach-smears-toxic-politics/

https://twitter.com/search?q=ken%20loach&src=typed_query
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on August 16, 2021, 06:13:34 AM

No one viewing Loach's expulsion, no one with any intelligence or moral compass, can regard that decision with equanimity and remain in the Labour Party in good faith.  What are you, what is the Party, after that?


Are you saying Corbyn's statement is not the viewpoint of somebody who remains a member of the party?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 07:06:00 AM
Corbyn's probably staying because he wants to make them choose whether to restore the whip which will allow him to stand as a Labour MP in the next GE and will present them with another moral gateway - if he can have the whip returned, what are we doing to all these others, why do they remain excluded?  Corbyn is definitely a special case, not just a matter of personal choice, he's become a point of logic (in this argument) - but I do feel that ordinary people who are not in the same situation as Corbyn need to ask themselves what this Party has become.  Why they are members of a party with no soul or morality.  What is its goal, its value?  What is it doing to advance the Cause?  What is it doing to hamper the Cause, how is their membership and money supporting that?  How do they feel about that?

ETA I suppose, personally, I'd feel a bit better about it all if the members where standing up and fighting, speaking out, but they just seem to be obeying orders.  Where's the solidarity with Jeremy, Ken or anyone else in that?  If they were publicly fighting, there'd be a moral base for staying.  That's my personal feeling.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 07:17:36 AM
Sorry about the glitch.  Should have just made a new post instead of editing!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: NoSleep on August 16, 2021, 07:47:32 AM
ETA I suppose, personally, I'd feel a bit better about it all if the members where standing up and fighting, speaking out, but they just seem to be obeying orders.

Really? Where are you getting this information?
For example, in the recent electoral contests it was apparent that many members who had came out to campaign for Corbyn in their droves were not doing so for Starmer. How is this "obedience"?

Quote
Where's the solidarity with Jeremy, Ken or anyone else in that?  If they were publicly fighting, there'd be a moral base for staying.  That's my personal feeling.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/labour-members-to-use-party-conference-to-challenge-sir-keir-refusal-to-reinstate-corbyn
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 16, 2021, 07:48:16 AM
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No one viewing Loach's expulsion, no one with any intelligence or moral compass, can regard that decision with equanimity and remain in the Labour Party in good faith.  What are you, what is the Party, after that?

I stand by my previous comments, and if you don't understand the arguments and why they still apply now, there is no value replying to you.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 10:20:47 AM
Really? Where are you getting this information?
For example, in the recent electoral contests it was apparent that many members who had came out to campaign for Corbyn in their droves were not doing so for Starmer. How is this "obedience"?

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/labour-members-to-use-party-conference-to-challenge-sir-keir-refusal-to-reinstate-corbyn

I don't know, NS.  I honestly feel like there should be more, far more.  There should have been more, far more.  We shouldn't even need to think about doing this stuff in a normal democratic party full of good-hearted socialists.  But it isn't that, that's why all of this is happening.

You know, even if Starmer and Evans went, not the end, not even a start.  We all know it, it's a big reason why Scotland fell.  Not the Scots turning their backs on socialism, the Labour Party did that.  It's just a name now and a mechanism for attracting dissenters, controlling and neutralising them.

Watched The Lobby again yesterday.  Just left with the feeling that the Party (the parts of the Party with any power) is full with these dreadful wicked lying cunts.  IMO, worse than tories because they're not even openly cuntish.  You've got all these terrible cunts, lying their heads off, no amount of decency or honour or truth can clean that up.  Until they're gone, we have no chance and they're not going.  Not enough of them. 

One out, all out.  I like the sound of that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Corbyn's probably staying because he wants to make them choose whether to restore the whip which will allow him to stand as a Labour MP in the next GE and will present them with another moral gateway - if he can have the whip returned, what are we doing to all these others, why do they remain excluded?  Corbyn is definitely a special case, not just a matter of personal choice, he's become a point of logic (in this argument) - but I do feel that ordinary people who are not in the same situation as Corbyn need to ask themselves what this Party has become.  Why they are members of a party with no soul or morality.  What is its goal, its value?  What is it doing to advance the Cause?  What is it doing to hamper the Cause, how is their membership and money supporting that?  How do they feel about that?

ETA I suppose, personally, I'd feel a bit better about it all if the members where standing up and fighting, speaking out, but they just seem to be obeying orders.  Where's the solidarity with Jeremy, Ken or anyone else in that?  If they were publicly fighting, there'd be a moral base for staying.  That's my personal feeling.

This is incoherent.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 11:51:51 AM
What's the reason for staying in again?  What is the purpose of the Labour Party (and do you believe it's fit for or fulfilling that purpose)?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 11:57:15 AM
https://youtu.be/fR0jgT9UX0Q?t=90
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on August 16, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
Having read and thought about the arguments on here over the last few months, I am having to consider that perhaps I've been wrong about the most pragmatic course of action. Recent events have finally pushed me over the line and so, with a heavy heart, I must announce - I am rejoining the Taliban.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 12:05:27 PM
https://youtu.be/fR0jgT9UX0Q?t=90

It's over.  We all had our chance but we waited for someone else to stand up and so let them take us out and shoot us one by one.  The time for real fighting was when these cunts, people on here too, started up with all the bullshit about Jackie Walker.  But everyone was worried about looking like a racist.  Kept backing down, giving ground.  We're all racists now baby (unless we sit quiet and keep letting this monstrous shit take place).

Imagine what these cunts would be like in charge of a country.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
It's over.

For you. The Buelligan Way is not reality. You'd do well to remember that.

What you've actually done is gone from hero-worshipping Corbs to deserting him. Who's going to respect that?

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Imagine what these cunts would be like in charge of a country.

I can't because they won't.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
I didn't and don't, worship, Corbs.  I love him for what he is, an honest man and a socialist.  I haven't deserted him, I've left Labour because I don't want to give them money or membership.  I've done that because I can see that Labour is run by a pack of evil cunts and I don't want them to have any power over anyone, ever.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 12:38:43 PM
I didn't and don't, worship, Corbs.  I love him for what he is, an honest man and a socialist.  I haven't deserted him, I've left Labour because I don't want to give them money or membership.  I've done that because I can see that Labour is run by a pack of evil cunts and I don't want them to have any power over anyone, ever.

More incoherent guff.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 16, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
More incoherent guff.

What’s incoherent about it? You’re just embarrassing yourself now.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 16, 2021, 01:14:41 PM
One Trot faction,
Sitting in a hall.
One Trot faction,
Sitting in a hall
And if that Trot faction should have a nasty squall
There'll be two Trot factions
Sitting in a hall...



Two Trot factions,
Sitting in a hall.
Two Trot factions,
Sitting in a hall
And if one Trot faction should have a nasty squall
There'll be three Trot factions
Sitting in a hall...

Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
What’s incoherent about it? You’re just embarrassing yourself now.

'I don't worship Corbs, I LOOOVVVE HIIIIMMMM!!!'

C'mon. I think we're done listening to this idiot.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 16, 2021, 01:39:34 PM
In case not yet shared, Seema and Billy, the Momentum options, won the CAC election.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 16, 2021, 01:42:23 PM
If people think they can help labour by staying and trying to change from within, fair do’s, and if some people leave labour to try and affect change then fair do’s. I think both can be effective.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 16, 2021, 01:50:23 PM
If people think they can help labour by staying and trying to change from within, fair do’s, and if some people leave labour to try and affect change then fair do’s. I think both can be effective.

This. I'm still in, but don't begrudge people bailing, because the whole situation is a shit show.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 16, 2021, 02:01:53 PM
In case not yet shared, Seema and Billy, the Momentum options, won the CAC election.

Link:
https://labourlist.org/2021/08/internal-party-victory-for-labour-left-in-election-of-cac-local-party-representatives/
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CAC CLP representatives election results:

CHANDWANI Seema – 42,844 – ELECTED
HAYES Billy – 39,486 – ELECTED
TATLER Shama – 33,865
WIMBURY Mary – 36,593
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 03:03:40 PM
If people think they can help labour by staying and trying to change from within, fair do’s, and if some people leave labour to try and affect change then fair do’s. I think both can be effective.

I agree and I've said before that I think there's more than one way to skin a cat.

What grates with me is this constant 'Oooh! How can you bear to be in that abusive relationship? Ewww!' while seeming to be oblivious to the fact that the man they were loyal to, until things went back to their normal state of being a struggle, is still trying to get back into this 'abusive relationship'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 03:04:48 PM
In case not yet shared, Seema and Billy, the Momentum options, won the CAC election.

Anyway, that is good news. There's still a chance to get the rule change through.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 16, 2021, 03:16:48 PM
Eh (https://mobile.twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1426228830688186368)?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 16, 2021, 03:27:36 PM
Eh (https://mobile.twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1426228830688186368)?

Hahaha! Eh?khurst's not a cultist, of course.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 03:50:53 PM
I agree and I've said before that I think there's more than one way to skin a cat.

What grates with me is this constant 'Oooh! How can you bear to be in that abusive relationship? Ewww!' while seeming to be oblivious to the fact that the man they were loyal to, until things went back to their normal state of being a struggle, is still trying to get back into this 'abusive relationship'.

Corbyn's probably staying because he wants to make them choose whether to restore the whip which will allow him to stand as a Labour MP in the next GE and will present them with another moral gateway - if he can have the whip returned, what are we doing to all these others, why do they remain excluded?  Corbyn is definitely a special case, not just a matter of personal choice, he's become a point of logic (in this argument) - but I do feel that ordinary people who are not in the same situation as Corbyn need to ask themselves what this Party has become.  Why they are members of a party with no soul or morality.  What is its goal, its value?  What is it doing to advance the Cause?  What is it doing to hamper the Cause, how is their membership and money supporting that?  How do they feel about that?

ETA I suppose, personally, I'd feel a bit better about it all if the members where standing up and fighting, speaking out, but they just seem to be obeying orders.  Where's the solidarity with Jeremy, Ken or anyone else in that?  If they were publicly fighting, there'd be a moral base for staying.  That's my personal feeling.

And you Johnny, you're the only person talking about abusive relationships, so I don't know why you're using the old quotation marks.  You Johnny, with your almost unceasing dismissive aggressive ad homs about lexiting and bedwetting and bedshitting and being incoherent?  Chopping up my sentences and then taking the piss out of me saying I looooved Corbyn (as an honest man and a good socialist) NOT worshipped him (which is what you accused me of).  Calling me an idiot.  Talking about Buelligan's World. 

Everyone agrees there is more than one way to skin a cat.  Everyone, repeatedly, has said that.  I repeatedly, have said in or out it's a very personal decision.  And you, what do you expect when this gang of gangster cunts conspires to pull down Loach?  And you sitting quiet?  You expect everyone to be quiet because you choose to? 

It's you that is incoherent with your rage because people aren't skinning that cat how you want them to, in silence, so you attack comrades personally.  Shameful stuff.  And weak.  Take a look in the mirror and pull yourself together.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on August 16, 2021, 04:15:37 PM
In case not yet shared, Seema and Billy, the Momentum options, won the CAC election.

Excellent.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 16, 2021, 04:36:57 PM
Excellent.

Really? I think you might find it's totally fucking meaningless, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 16, 2021, 06:41:45 PM
'I don't worship Corbs, I LOOOVVVE HIIIIMMMM!!!'

C'mon. I think we're done listening to this idiot.

Bit harsh.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on August 16, 2021, 07:10:29 PM
'I don't worship Corbs, I LOOOVVVE HIIIIMMMM!!!'

C'mon. I think we're done listening to this idiot.

Do you honestly not know the difference between "love" and "worship?"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 16, 2021, 07:30:16 PM
'I don't worship Corbs, I LOOOVVVE HIIIIMMMM!!!'

C'mon. I think we're done listening to this idiot.

And yet you keep posting!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 16, 2021, 10:20:47 PM
Very well-written letter by a member of JVL.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/leah-levanes-response-to-his-threatened-automatic-exclusion/?fbclid=IwAR27oO0-zADk7G7TiivRT4emkJQJOPlUlYVnZY67WS70O7v-OflMSlIfL9s
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 16, 2021, 11:36:21 PM
It is a very good letter and she lays out clearly what is so particularly wicked about the behaviour of the current Party governance and leadership.  Anyone can oppose socialism if they wish, anyone can admire and support capitalism and believe it's the best way of running a society.  Tories do, they stand for election saying those things and people can choose to vote for them or not, on that basis. 

The people currently controlling the Labour Party say they believe in the shared goals of all the members, many of these people were in the Party under Jeremy Corbyn and yet they fight, every day, to undermine those goals, to destroy solidarity, to smear and oust people like Leah Levane and Ken Loach.  All the time pretending that they're comrades.

https://cdn.theguardian.tv/mainwebsite/2017/02/21/170221MandelsonCorbyn_desk.mp4
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 17, 2021, 08:32:18 AM
I fear that if you check points 5 and 6 of the letter Labour sent to her, her reply doesn't deal with some of those aspects, my brave preddo is that she is certainly a goner.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: The Dog on August 17, 2021, 09:40:15 AM
Do you honestly not know the difference between "love" and "worship?"

A worship is more effective against coastal defences.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 17, 2021, 01:21:26 PM
Judges 5:7 or 5:17, your warship.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 17, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
They're gonna pardon the alpaca aren't they? And Ken's gonna look like a massive fucking walloper.

Again.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 17, 2021, 02:33:44 PM
One of my whatsapp groups is trying to negotiate a motion to go to conference. They are stuck on whether gender and sex should both be listed as protected characteristics, because two of them are TERFs. What a fucking waste of time.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 17, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Can't you report them to Starmer for having TB ffs?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on August 17, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1427619441672605701

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EXCL: Labour general secretary David Evans revealed further details of the 'Organise to Win' new party structure in an all-staff meeting this morning. Here's what was said:
- Sources say video, data, targeting and membership mobilisation teams in particular are being downsized, with MeMo scrapped completely
- Evans acknowledged that some Labour employees feel the burden is falling mostly on junior, rather than senior, staff
- Evans said Labour would be “voter-centric”, i.e. “serving the needs of voters first”
- He stressed that Labour needs to be “lean and agile”, which it will achieve using a ‘hub-and-spoke’ model to “meet the needs” of voters
He also said Labour will work in "multidisciplinary teams" that will "adopt a product-mindset using agile ceremonies, be empowered to make decisions and encouraged to focus on rapid prototyping, deployment and iteration".

Dear fucking Christ.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 17, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Was coming here to post that. The article is pretty horrible reading.

https://labourlist.org/2021/08/exclusive-labour-general-secretary-unveils-new-party-structure-to-staff/

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LabourList sources say the party’s video, data, targeting and membership mobilisation teams in particular are being downsized, with the membership mobilisation team being scrapped completely amid the reorganisation.

“They’re trying to turn a tanker while cutting a third of the crew,” one party source told LabourList. “I’m starting to think they just want a smaller party. Because they don’t want something like what happened in 2015 to happen again,” said another source.

According to sources, the party used to call anyone who cancelled their membership, a retention tool that would lead to some ex-members rejoining, but this team was axed last year in a move that some staffers privately believe was factional.

In the meeting with Evans and Labour’s head of HR today, staffers were told that “the key driver of this process is to achieve substantial cost reduction and achieve substantial cost reduction now” but also that “we are not following a process of redundancy”.

The party is hoping to attract enough volunteers to its severance scheme that a compulsory redundancy process will not be necessary and the job cuts made necessary by the poor state of party finances can be implemented this summer.

Evans acknowledged that some Labour employees feel the burden is falling mostly on junior, rather than senior, staff. “That is certainly not the intention,” he said. “There are reductions at every level of the organisation. I accept there aren’t numerically as many at senior level.”

He pointed to a near-freeze on senior staff pay in recent years and told the meeting that he chose to take a “significantly” lower wage than his predecessors. He also revealed that newly hired senior staff in Keir Starmer’s office are on lower pay than their predecessors.

It's pretty obvious that the party wants its members gone but pretty weird that it wants the same of its voters.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 17, 2021, 03:05:24 PM
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1427619441672605701

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... “lean and agile” ... using a ‘hub-and-spoke’ model to “meet the needs” ... "adopt a product-mindset using agile ceremonies, be empowered to make decisions and encouraged to focus on rapid prototyping, deployment and iteration".

Dear fucking Christ.

The PowerPoint Party - Putting middle-managment first
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 17, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
you gotta laugh, haven't you.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/

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This mixture of vagueness and sheer incompetence is the most marked characteristic of modern English prose, and especially of any kind of political writing. As soon as certain topics are raised, the concrete melts into the abstract and no one seems able to think of turns of speech that are not hackneyed: prose consists less and less of words chosen for the sake of their meaning, and more and more of phrases tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated hen-house.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 17, 2021, 07:04:08 PM
Swiss Tony but everything's likened to 'successfully releasing a software product' instead of shagging.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 17, 2021, 07:45:21 PM
How does a six sigma agile scrum play in the Red Wall?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 17, 2021, 07:49:27 PM
Are William Hill giving odds on it?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 17, 2021, 09:12:04 PM
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/08/16/exclusive-interview-with-breakthrough-partys-first-councillor-as-sam-cooper-resigns-from-labour-video/

Breakthrough Party, another possibly optimistically titled left wing splinter emerges. Nothing like diffusing your efforts to really breakthrough. Good luck to them though.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: suelgi on August 17, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
The Labour Party.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8_YJeuXEAcAvyR?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: But also really terrible cunts
Post by: Buelligan on August 17, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMwQaqMTQ3bp-WOZ1YCIxwG3N1GLqpYCof-h_RmQagRjBw3rvFCm3mAWRrPJfzCThAfME&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on August 17, 2021, 09:52:42 PM

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kn6wmsM0N2k/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8_YJeuXEAcAvyR?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://cuboidal.org/lebowski-treehorn/images/12-duderesponse.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 17, 2021, 09:53:22 PM
The Labour Party.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8_YJeuXEAcAvyR?format=jpg&name=small)

An empty scrum board with one user story that just says 'as a voter I would like labour to change the things that need changing and that is the change that I would like them to bring about'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 17, 2021, 10:28:21 PM
How does the Red Wall feel about Continuous Integration?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Bernice on August 17, 2021, 10:58:40 PM
Mad to think that the labour right sat through the Corbyn years, fists clenched and tears in their eyes, thinking "What about the agile ceremonies? How quickly could you even prototype, deploy and iterate you rancid, jam-stewing cunt"
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: evilcommiedictator on August 17, 2021, 10:59:56 PM
Can't wait until their Kanban board is leaked, just showing who is left to sack
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Quote on August 17, 2021, 11:22:40 PM
Kieth's Magical Misery Tour arrives in Wolverhampton:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9ATG01WUAQeYud?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9BTzBMWQAE2Syi?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 17, 2021, 11:25:29 PM
when's he going to start sweating blood
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Blumf on August 17, 2021, 11:39:56 PM
Kieth's Magical Misery Tour arrives in Wolverhampton:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9ATG01WUAQeYud?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9BTzBMWQAE2Syi?format=jpg&name=large)

To be unnecessarily fair to the llama harmer, The Express & Star is a right wing rag who happily took on Boris for work experience (https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/06/07/wolverhampton-turned-me-into-tory-reveals-boris/) back in the day. So they would say all that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 17, 2021, 11:48:44 PM
I quite like the bemused 'yeah i see you... arsed mate' look on the guy sat between the coppers on the left.

Even the police look like they can't be fucked and surely following that wally around is basically a good skive.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 18, 2021, 07:44:50 AM
Must be pretty uneventful:  who’s going to spend the rest of their life in jail for attacking a man who barely exists?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 08:23:35 AM
Was sent a membership survey by email.

Asked me to rate Starmer and Reeves performance out of 10. (1)

Asked me why I joined the Labour Party (Corbyn)

Asked me what Labour need to do to win the next election (Replace Keir Starmer with someone who inspires people)

Asked me who I would choose to invite to speak at the next constituency meeting (Ken Loach)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 18, 2021, 08:32:07 AM
If only we had huge amounts of time to fix the world and save its inhabitants, the NHS, the atmosphere, I really think a survey like that could help.

when's he going to start sweating blood

It's a little-known fact but, since the sad sad heroic Falklands war, Keith has been completely unable to sweat.  :(
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Doomy Dwyer on August 18, 2021, 08:55:01 AM
Was sent a membership survey by email.

Asked me to rate Starmer and Reeves performance out of 10. (1)

Asked me why I joined the Labour Party (Corbyn)

Asked me what Labour need to do to win the next election (Replace Keir Starmer with someone who inspires people)

Asked me who I would choose to invite to speak at the next constituency meeting (Ken Loach)

See bedwetters! This is what you can achieve by paying your subs month in and month out to an organisation that despises you. Fucking questionnaires, mate. Take that.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Zetetic on August 18, 2021, 09:25:22 AM
1 out of 10? Could be worse.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 10:10:05 AM
See bedwetters! This is what you can achieve by paying your subs month in and month out to an organisation that despises you. Fucking questionnaires, mate. Take that.

If anything I will get a tut and a 'Cuh, Trotskyite arsehole' from the overworked admin staff at the constituency office. Sticking it to them.

1/10 was the lowest possible option, naturally.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 18, 2021, 10:50:01 AM
Remember this?

What is your ball, Shoulders, and how do you intend to play with it?

I don't know how much involvement you have in your local CLP or branch party. My guess is little, or you would see the disconnect between the platitudes and the reality.

What can a CLP do?
1. Select the MP. This does not happen if there has not been a successful trigger ballot or a vacancy. As we've seen, the NEC can simply impose a candidate anyway. You get a vote on this irrespective of your involvement in the CLP Exec or if you are delegated to general meetings.

2. Select delegates to conference. Wildly different numbers depending on which CLP and how much money they are prepared to put towards them. Some will send like 10, others 2 and maybe only one with voting rights.

3. Choose some people to be on interview panel to vet council candidates before selection by branches.

4. Run political education events.

5. Put motions (to conference). This is what happens to motions:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/38231f968da04a37c95ffdc6c0e163ab/tenor.gif?itemid=17251710)

Your motion will be composited to nothing and then ignored by the leadership.

Nevertheless, 1, 2 and 3 do represent, in principle, a source of power. But if the leadership decides the CLP is too left wing, they can suspend it and do whatever they like. You have to ask yourself the question: will the NEC allow another left wing candidate ever?

What can a branch (BLP) do?
1. Argue about the bins.

2. Put motions to CLP. (see above)

3. Choose council candidates.

4. Vote for a trigger ballot.

The NEC even interferes in 3., if they've got a mate who wants a safe seat. But yes, would be great to have more lefty councillors, albeit with little money or power, who then have to pass on Tory cuts.

4. requires 1/3 of the branches in the CLP to vote for it. Which is rather difficult if they've been suspended, or they've become derelict. And again, there's no guarantee you'd be allowed to vote for a left wing candidate anyway even if the trigger succeeded.

What can conference do?
1. In principle, decide Labour Party policy. Renationalisation of the railways is, formally, LP policy. But it evidently this doesn't matter, because the leadership can simply ignore it.

2. Endorse the Gen Sec. We can see if this happens or not. It's just about worth sticking around to see what happens at the next conference. Which is why I haven't cancelled my membership yet, only my DD.



In light of the above, what's your plan for how to fight back?

Take control of the CLP execs? That's probably achievable. But why bother? If a CLP chair allows discussion on criticism of the leadership, they get suspended.

Try to trigger MPs ahead of next election? Didn't get us very far last time. And the NEC could simply reimpose the candidate, or make you choose between whomever it is and Luke Akehurst.

Try to change Labour Party policy through conference? Leadership will ignore.

And while we busy ourselves with the above, the Labour party makes 1/3 of its staff redundant without consultation with unions, which appears to be illegal under 1992 TULRCA legislation, replacing them with temp staff. It is a rogue employer, whose job it is to argue for workers' rights. It has to do that, of course, because it's lost so many socialist members paying them money. In response, it proscribes a load more, even supported by supposed left wing NEC members, who have apparently lost their minds.

The vast majority of the PLP gruel just sit there nodding sagely and spending their time sabotaging any efforts to reinvigorate the LP's soul.

Or shilling for casinos:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7kBlj9WUAEIk-D?format=jpg&name=small)

It's difficult to see how this is salvageable.

But again, maybe you know better than I do. What's the plan?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Vyvian Withnail on August 18, 2021, 12:18:19 PM
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Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 18, 2021, 12:47:37 PM
Thanks for popping back to let us know, comrade
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 12:54:26 PM
Quote
Remember this?

Already dealt with. What is it with you and insisting that people rehearse the same points over and over? They make them then 2 weeks later it happens from scratch as though nothing has sunk in. You don't have to agree with other people but you do actually have to absorb what their points are.

You can assemble this from the responses people have given you. Stop wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greenman on August 18, 2021, 12:59:35 PM
when's he going to start sweating blood

Bypassed it onto sweating piss.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 18, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
Already dealt with. What is it with you and insisting that people rehearse the same points over and over? They make them then 2 weeks later it happens from scratch as though nothing has sunk in. You don't have to agree with other people but you do actually have to absorb what their points are.

You can assemble this from the responses people have given you. Stop wasting everyone's time.

The reason I looked that up was your thing about the questionnaire this am brought to mind the little gif that pancreas had posted of Homer happily sending off his thought to Labour HQ.  But then I reread the post, it was, undeniably, a good post, and felt it relevant to the whole issue of your this is what my continued membership has allowed me to convey report.

I'm guessing your inability to recognise that, whether that inability is real or feigned, has a fair bit to do with why you're still proudly posting stuff like you did this morning.

By the way, there really is no need to be so fucking rude and patronising, old son.  Genuinely, there isn't, all it will achieve is to make us fall out.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 18, 2021, 02:16:00 PM
By the way, there really is no need to be so fucking rude and patronising, old son.  Genuinely, there isn't, all it will achieve is to make us fall out.

(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/72/59/43/360_F_72594395_8IITu2nIvDeAeWDXVkogeoxUBpPxuFYt.jpg)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 18, 2021, 02:22:41 PM
Your constant vitriol against one poster is getting quite nasty Johnny.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 18, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
Already dealt with.
But you haven't.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 03:07:40 PM
But you haven't.

I distinctly remember replying and I also distinctly remember my reply addressing the post. Most distinctly of all, I remember that my feelings on the matter haven't changed, and so there is truly nothing to talk about regarding it, and nothing I owe you or anyone else in respect of it.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 18, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
Do you at least see the relationship between this -

Was sent a membership survey by email.

Asked me to rate Starmer and Reeves performance out of 10. (1)

Asked me why I joined the Labour Party (Corbyn)

Asked me what Labour need to do to win the next election (Replace Keir Starmer with someone who inspires people)

Asked me who I would choose to invite to speak at the next constituency meeting (Ken Loach)

and this -

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/38231f968da04a37c95ffdc6c0e163ab/tenor.gif?itemid=17251710)
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
I wasn't boasting about all my power (In fact joked about its insignificance in the follow up post which you neglected to acknowledge). Rather weakens the point of you making the above post.

Further on you seem to have forgotten yet again the posts where I have acknowledged the points being raised, either because you are ignorant and discourteous (let's say it's not that) or because you actively desire to have steadily more infuriating circuitous discussions were you absorb precisely zero of what anyone else says unless you already agree with it.

As I don't wish to be involved in that, goodbye.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 18, 2021, 04:45:47 PM
Kay.  I'm ignorant and discourteous because I pointed out the relationship between those two obviously related things (and included the rest of someone else's post because I thought it was excellent and apposite) on a discussion board.  I should, obviously, have remained silent.  That would have been the intelligent, courteous, thing to do.

I am the bad one and the looser, happy now?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 18, 2021, 05:10:19 PM
Your constant vitriol against one poster is getting quite nasty Johnny.

Seconded. Have a fucking word with yerself.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 05:31:57 PM
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfiSOz1kfqRl7J7xvuyA9fV-n4dJISAOLIX2YFONKxkAMfhjw/viewform

Please sign in support of Ken Loach. Maybe this doesn't pass Buelligan's threshold of actions likely enough to have a desired effect as to be worth doing (or maybe it does because in this example she will agree with it) but take a look and make your own mind up.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
Kay.  I'm ignorant and discourteous because I pointed out the relationship between those two obviously related things (and included the rest of someone else's post because I thought it was excellent and apposite) on a discussion board.  I should, obviously, have remained silent.  That would have been the intelligent, courteous, thing to do.

I am the bad one and the looser, happy now?

Either you are being ignorant and discourteous or you are something else. It's written there in the post as clear as it could be. How is it that difficult to parse?

Shall we either add basic failure to comprehend sentences or mendacious deliberate failure to comprehend them to the list of reasons to cease interacting with you on this subject?

You clearly understand what either/or mean so understand perfectly well I wasn't calling you either.

Particularly when, for your own benefit, I added:

Quote
let's say it's not that

This isn't a comprehension thing, is it? Because it's embarrassing if so and is reinforcing my point what a total and utter waste of time it is interacting with you.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 18, 2021, 05:47:30 PM
Have you any idea at all what writing

Further on you seem to have forgotten yet again the posts where I have acknowledged the points being raised, either because you are ignorant and discourteous (let's say it's not that) or because you actively desire to have steadily more infuriating circuitous discussions were you absorb precisely zero of what anyone else says unless you already agree with it.

means to a normal English-speaker[1]?  When they read that, directed at them?  Do you have any idea at all how extremely arrogant and patronising and accusative that sounds to a normally attuned ear?  And you prefaced this post with this -

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfiSOz1kfqRl7J7xvuyA9fV-n4dJISAOLIX2YFONKxkAMfhjw/viewform

Please sign in support of Ken Loach. Maybe this doesn't pass Buelligan's threshold of actions likely enough to have a desired effect as to be worth doing (or maybe it does because in this example she will agree with it) but take a look and make your own mind up.

Or is this perfectly polite and not at all written to cause offence[2]?  Get away with you, or at least have the dignity to admit you're being willfully unpleasant.
 1. Especially one who knows they do not "actively desire to have steadily more infuriating circuitous discussions were you absorb precisely zero of what anyone else says unless you already agree with it".
 2. Even more so, given all I've already posted about Ken Loach.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 18, 2021, 05:50:58 PM
A rare win for Ken with the news that Geronimo the alpaca is gonna be chopps.

'He sure is pretty' said a Labour spokesperson, who added 'but he gonna die like a dawg'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 18, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
Your constant vitriol against one poster is getting quite nasty Johnny.

Seconded. Have a fucking word with yerself.

Oh, piss off, you soppy cunts.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 18, 2021, 06:13:33 PM
A rare win for Ken with the news that Geronimo the alpaca is gonna be chopps.

'He sure is pretty' said a Labour spokesperson, who added 'but he gonna die like a dawg'.

Kieth the backer lacker, lefty sacker and alpaca whacker.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 18, 2021, 06:40:41 PM
Oh, piss off, you soppy cunts.

Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 18, 2021, 07:17:47 PM
The Union forever defending our rights
Down with the blackleg, all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters
Together we will stand

There is power in a Union.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: greencalx on August 18, 2021, 08:40:20 PM
What’s the bets the party goes in for a bit of Union busting in response to the threatened strike action?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle on August 18, 2021, 08:53:18 PM
The Union forever defending our rights
Down with the blackleg, all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters
Together we will stand

There is power in a Union.


hehe
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 18, 2021, 09:04:35 PM
The Union forever defending our rights
Down with the blackleg, all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters
Together we will stand

There is power in a Union.


yeah well they weren't stuck in the labour thread with the same people for years
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 18, 2021, 09:32:44 PM
Go fuck yourself.

i would if i could shit face but i can't reatch
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 08:05:25 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2021/08/17/shrugs-and-blank-looks-greet-sir-keirs-city-appearance/

Wandering around town centres.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jobotic on August 19, 2021, 08:46:39 AM
It's a step up from being thrown out of pubs.

The focus groups are working!
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: chveik on August 19, 2021, 09:01:58 AM
"get out of my pub" is a classic. it's probably be the only thing people will remember him for
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 09:10:27 AM
The optics on that were optacular. Boris and Farage have perfectly positioned themselves as Man With Pint In Hand, whereas an actual alkie like Starmer gets chucked out by beloved covid denialist Bath pub owner. Regardless of the ideological issues, how did he end up on the level of divorced social misfit as Gordon Brown and Miliband within a year of becoming leader?
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Paul Calf on August 19, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
The Labour Party seem to be going through the IDS/William Hague/Michael Howard period of irrelevance that the Tories passed through in the early 2000s. The difference is that at that time they'd been out of power for 3-5 years and one or two electoral cycles. By the time of the 2024 GE, Labour won't have won a general election for 19 years and look unlikely to win one for the foreseeable future.

Do not doubt the scale of the left's defeat, nor the scale of the effort that will be required to remove these cackling, kleptocratic poundshop pantomime villains from power. This struggle will not be won at the ballot box, but at the barricade.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 19, 2021, 09:35:40 AM
The optics on that were optacular. Boris and Farage have perfectly positioned themselves as Man With Pint In Hand, whereas an actual alkie like Starmer gets chucked out by beloved covid denialist Bath pub owner. Regardless of the ideological issues, how did he end up on the level of divorced social misfit as Gordon Brown and Miliband within a year of becoming leader?
it was the whole “I really don’t need lectures from you about this pandemic” thing. Instead of being all "I hear you, we're all frustrated" and trying to diffuse the situation, the pompous cunt escalated it
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 19, 2021, 09:40:01 AM
Kieth - thrown out of pub
Farage - hid in pub while a braying mob called him a cunt
Cameron - left child in pub

Perhaps they should all be barred. I certainly wouldn't want any of them nausing up the place with their 'entourage' while I tried to have a quiet pint.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 11:50:08 AM
it was the whole “I really don’t need lectures from you about this pandemic” thing. Instead of being all "I hear you, we're all frustrated" and trying to diffuse the situation, the pompous cunt escalated it

I thought that bit was fine, but don't say it in someone's house/pub where they're the master and you're the guest. Thick twat. The guy would have hectored him regardless of any attempts to diffuse the situation, Keith just shouldn't have been put anywhere near him to begin with.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 19, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
Except that's what the point of a political representative is, to listen to their electorate and to respond in a thoughtful, respectful, way.  PR is fine and dandy, at the end of the day though, managing the optics and sliding past is what's wrong with most politicians.  It's one of the big things people on all sides really dislike.  What Keith did there though, was even worse, he came across as a high-handed twat.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: danwho9 on August 19, 2021, 01:40:27 PM

Do not doubt the scale of the left's defeat, nor the scale of the effort that will be required to remove these cackling, kleptocratic poundshop pantomime villains from power. This struggle will not be won at the ballot box, but at the barricade.

That's the thing, I still think it's entirely possible for Labour to win the next election, not with a landslide by any measure but even Boris is not invincible. They just need to pull their heads out of the sand and ditch Keith.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: MoreauVasz on August 19, 2021, 01:47:13 PM
It's easy to forget that while Kieth has been a public servant and member of the establishment for a long time, he's not been a politician for all that long. Most of his career has not involved interaction with the public let alone doing so in public in an effort to win their support. He's just not very good at his job.

Corbz had similar problems in that he was good at retail politics, tended to be on the right side of most issues, and came across as a normal human being in front of the cameras but he had no idea how to run a party. Let alone a party whose machinery was bitterly opposed to his, leadership.

Kieth is another Milliband but at least Milliband tried to put up a fight before completely caving in to the right of the party.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: olliebean on August 19, 2021, 02:07:57 PM
They use that "won't take lectures" line quite a lot in Parliament, which is presumably where Kieth has picked it up and hasn't realised that while it's all a jolly wheeze amongst his fellow MPs, it's not such a great look to use an ad hominem attack against a member of the public on camera.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Kankurette on August 19, 2021, 02:50:14 PM
I bet Corbyn would behave himself in a pub.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pancreas on August 19, 2021, 03:04:53 PM
No, mate. Dancing on tables, singing the Internationale and calling for birds to: 'get your tits out for the Trots'.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: pigamus on August 19, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
Seen a worrying amount of praise for Lisa Nandy on Twitter today
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 19, 2021, 03:16:59 PM
Seen a worrying amount of praise for Lisa Nandy on Twitter today

I haven't, I liked this one though:
Quote
Taking a dip in a lake of blood and complaining it's a bit cold.
Quote from: LabourList
NEW: Lisa Nandy says the UK was "absolutely right" to intervene in Afghanistan in 2001 but said there are "lessons to be learned"

https://twitter.com/BareLeft/status/1428286369323962376
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Buelligan on August 19, 2021, 03:24:41 PM
Noticed on Question Time the other night she was talking about how it all started in Afghanistan, said ...George Bush and the Labour Government dun it...  Blair just quietly glossed over.  Sly as fuck.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 19, 2021, 03:47:42 PM
Noticed on Question Time the other night she was talking about how it all started in Afghanistan, said ...George Bush and the Labour Government dun it...  Blair just quietly glossed over.  Sly as fuck.

Soft-left, there.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: king_tubby on August 19, 2021, 07:37:40 PM
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1428423839298605064

Bodied.
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 19, 2021, 07:55:24 PM
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1428423839298605064

Bodied.

i creased at this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9LKrEkXIAEHvIE?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/BP_Cena/status/1428426875832094720
Title: Re: Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)
Post by: jamiefairlie on August 19, 2021, 07:59:14 PM