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Title: Police Academy films
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 20, 2021, 12:23:14 PM
Watched the first one a few weeks ago, still hilarious, watched the second one yesterday (good, although I find Zed rather unfunny). Halfway through number 6(which has no Mahoney which is unfortunate).It's quite funny. My understanding is that 1,2 and 6 are the best - is that correct?

It's been years since I've watched 3 and 4 and I've never seen 5 - are they any good? Considering watching number 7 just to see what it is like - I understand it has 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I find the bumbling unpleasantness of bad guys Harris and Mauser (aided by Proctor in some films) is the funniest thing about the films, followed by Michael Winslow's vocal brilliance. I do find Lassard a little unbelievable in his childlike idiocy - how did someone like that become Commandant?
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Better Midlands on July 20, 2021, 12:31:47 PM
Michael Winslow's vocal brilliance

The word on my school playground at the time was that Michael Winslow was Doug E. Fresh, something I believed for decades.

I think PA was the first rented VHS tape I ever watched, that or Trading Places.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: sevendaughters on July 20, 2021, 12:41:00 PM
The Police Academy films (1-6) were the first six VHS tapes I had, beginning with 5 (Assignment Miami Beach). Because I've never seen them properly in order at an age of being a Serious Comedy Appreciator, I find it hard to analyse where they were just treading water as you might expect with a low-rated long-running series of unsophisticated comedies.

The Halliwell's Guide has 6 (City Under Siege) down as the best, and I can see why: it has a darker tone and feels a little more considered - almost comic book rather than sketch comedy, right down to a very Scooby Doo like reveal of the mastermind. The crime feels contemporary too, rather than the dumb scenarios of previous works.

My favourites are 4 and 5, though I concede I probably need to go back. They're easy and breezy and the jokes come at a good pace. Yeah they're sexist and stupid and weird (Tackleberry's gun fetishism hits new sexual lows in 5) but you all know this right.

The earlier sequel films feel a little baggier, especially 3 with rival police academies (?) giving an excuse to bring Art Metrano back, with diminishing returns and trying to coast on Steve Guttenberg's charm.

7 is widely considered awful - I can only remember the sideplot of Lassard being taken in by a Russian family and tipping some borscht down a sink - but I say you should watch it to remember the good old days of perestroika and new optimism about post-Berlin Wall cooperation and liberal domination.

None of them are better than a 7 out of 10 (being generous) but Bubba Smith, Michael Winslow, and George Gaynes are good value throughout each one.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on July 20, 2021, 01:12:28 PM
Homer: "When Marge first joined the police academy, I thought it was going to be fun and exiting, like that movie Spaceballs, but instead it was sad and depressing, like that movie Police Academy."
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 20, 2021, 01:33:19 PM
When I was about 13 or 14 I had Police Academy 4 VHS and would watch it almost every day. Partly I think this scene gave me strong feelings

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KindheartedVapidAngora-max-1mb.gif)

The Blue Oyster scenes probably still my favourite in the films.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 20, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
I rewatched all of them a year or so ago, and they aged really really poorly. It felt like a collection of tics masquerading as a movie - you could guarantee that Winslow (who's performing live near me in a few weeks) would do some stupid noise even if the scene would have been better if he'd behaved like a human being. He has absolutely no character whatsoever. Every other person in the movies (apart from Mahoney) has one aspect to their character - she shouts! He's a gun nut! She's got big boobs! He's extremely tall! He's a screaming lunatic! - and whenever they're in a scene, they will display that aspect and then leave.

I guess I'll be the asshole who brings up the Blue Oyster bar, a joke that was unpleasant even by the standards of the time and has aged like Prince Philip. There's a scene in part 2 where the guys in the bar have beaten up a bunch of bad guys. Mahoney drives the wagon full away and Hightower is stood in the middle of the denizens of the bar, receiving adoring stares. Is he happy that there's a club full of gay dudes who don't hate the police? No, he's afraid that one of them might touch him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REwimg6y1Cg
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 20, 2021, 02:10:45 PM
Is it 1 or 2 where Jones runs a couple's meal because they were boasting about not watching television? That always seemed mean spirited to me.

Agree about the Blue Oyster bar as well.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: checkoutgirl on July 20, 2021, 02:24:18 PM
sad and depressing, like that movie Police Academy."

Not sad and depressing, painful and disturbing.

It's taken me a few years to think that the Simpsons were being somewhat unfair to Police Academy. By the third film things were starting to get repeatative and by the sixth film which I think was Mission to Moscow it was complete and utter shite. Something you might plonk a 6 year old in front of and they might enjoy but not something of any quality.

The first film is a 6/10 comedy film that definitely has it's moments. The second film isn't that great but it's the one I have most memories of as it must have been flogged to death on telly in the late eighties and early nineties I'm guessing. Also Bobcat was definitely imitated a good few times in the school playground.

I'm sure I watched a couple of these films a few years ago so it's something of an occasional nostalgic pleasure for me. Possibly more nostalgia than pleasure if I'm completely honest.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Better Midlands on July 20, 2021, 03:41:11 PM
No, he's afraid that one of them might touch him.

That's definitely how I took it at at the time and it does fit with the overall narrative, but watching now at the way he straightens his tie I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 20, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
Marion Ramsey (who died this year) was so beautiful. Sorry, I know this doesn't add much to the discussion.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 20, 2021, 03:57:07 PM
I think it's pretty natural to feel discomfort if you're surrounded by a load of blokes from a fetish bar who are looking at you like a piece of tasty meat though. They are a crude stereotype of the gay community (although actually toned down for that specific subculture if you know about America's leather bars in the 80s) but you're not going to get any subtlety with PA films. I view it more as amusing that these (probably) homophobic macho characters find themselves in a situation that's their worst fear, culminating in them having to just dance with them for a bit and getting the piss taken out of them back at the station.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Better Midlands on July 20, 2021, 04:10:22 PM
They are a crude stereotype of the gay community (although actually toned down for that specific subculture if you know about America's leather bars in the 80s)

and a bit out of date by 1984 I'd have thought, I wonder if it was a joke based on Al Pacino's club scenes from Cruising (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR7y7g8h1y4)?
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on July 20, 2021, 04:24:16 PM
Wayne's World 2 is the only comedy movie I can think of with a genuinely funny, non-hateful "whoops, we stumbled into a gay bar" scene.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 20, 2021, 05:14:05 PM
I think it's pretty natural to feel discomfort if you're surrounded by a load of blokes from a fetish bar who are looking at you like a piece of tasty meat though. They are a crude stereotype of the gay community (although actually toned down for that specific subculture if you know about America's leather bars in the 80s) but you're not going to get any subtlety with PA films. I view it more as amusing that these (probably) homophobic macho characters find themselves in a situation that's their worst fear, culminating in them having to just dance with them for a bit and getting the piss taken out of them back at the station.
The characters we're supposed to like are all homophobes, and the only gay people in this universe are extremely predatory leather daddies. It isn't just a matter of subtlety. Our heroes trick people they don't like into going to a gay bar.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on July 20, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
I've always recalled this exchange from one of the films.

'Just remember - no-one screws with me!'

'Well you never know, maybe one day you'll meet the right girl and all that'll change.'
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 20, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
I remember the Police Academy films (the first five, at least) being regulars on ITV weekend/holiday schedules through the late 80s/early 90s - but I'm wondering if in the first one at least, there was some editing done for language/content unsuitable for daytime TV.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Gulftastic on July 20, 2021, 05:46:33 PM
Yes, the first, and by some distance the best, has a few swears and tits. It has the staple of laddish comedies, secretly watching girls being naked.

I always loved Blanks or Copeland trying to throw Leslie Barbara's classwork out of the open window.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 20, 2021, 05:56:24 PM
The characters we're supposed to like are all homophobes, and the only gay people in this universe are extremely predatory leather daddies. It isn't just a matter of subtlety. Our heroes trick people they don't like into going to a gay bar.

But isn't it only the unlikeable characters who end up in the bars? I don't think there's any suggestion that Mahoney, Hightower etc are homophobic, but they know some of the others are which is why they put them in such an awkward situation.

The joke doesn't really work if it's not a leatherman bar (part of the joke is that they're dressed in a similar way to the police themselves), but I don't think they're portrayed as predatory. On the contrary, they look intimidating but they always just innocently dance with whoever comes in.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 20, 2021, 06:55:48 PM
A favourite recurring joke of mine from some of the sequels was the young lad always involved in violent, but good natured, fistfights with his old man. I'm trying to remember why they were introduced now - was Tackleberry dating the lad's older sister? I think it freaked even him out, though the mother of the family found it all amusing enough.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 20, 2021, 07:02:01 PM
All of the Police Academy films were a load of unfunny shite. HTH.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 20, 2021, 07:03:31 PM
I remember watching the Police Academy TV series when I was a teenager and finding it somewhat erotic, although it was probably just a few women in bathing costumes and the odd pair of buttocks in the show.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 20, 2021, 07:08:22 PM
Watched the rest of 6, all of 3 (not that funny really) and some of 5 today (there was nothing else on television). I think Harris is funnier than Mauser but they are both good comic foils.



Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Gulftastic on July 20, 2021, 07:10:55 PM
Harris is fantastic. His monologue while he's drawing on the blackboard is superb.

Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Bad Ambassador on July 20, 2021, 07:29:39 PM
I rewatched them a few years ago, and found that 5 has some unusally stylish shot choices, as well as Rene Auberjonois as a villain.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on July 20, 2021, 07:32:59 PM
"How you doin'... Mahomo?"
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 20, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
Harris is fantastic. His monologue while he's drawing on the blackboard is superb.
I was mildly surprised when flicking through channels a few years back to see him as a regular in one of those American police shows, playing a grizzled veteran detective - maybe it took him 20 odd years to move past the Harris-related typecasting.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: checkoutgirl on July 20, 2021, 08:16:33 PM
You know what C.O.P. really stands for?

No, sir. What?

Collection Of Pissants.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: DrGreggles on July 20, 2021, 08:21:59 PM
number 7

'kin 'ell
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: petrilTanaka on July 20, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
it was the eighties so they had the obligatory cartoon version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOE0F4i7GK8)

check the nick of the pound shop Morris Major vocals
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: badaids on July 20, 2021, 09:30:02 PM

Can't believe that the Robocop (Robotic Police Officer Film) Academy never got made.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Blumf on July 20, 2021, 10:18:16 PM
Can't believe that the Robocop (Robotic Police Officer Film) Academy never got made.

Robot Collection Of Pissants?

EDIT: New page trouble
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 20, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Trouble down THE OLD ZOO, THE OLD ZOO, THE OLD ZOO?

1, 5 top tier
2, 4 middle tier
3, 6 only if you want to tier
7, the only decent joke is a dog pissing into Harris' eye through a open ended periscope. Also the world is being taken over by an addictive video game.

These are sketch comedy movies, and if you don't mind Mahoney terrified dancing with a bunch of leather daddies funny, then fine. "Dancing sir. A lot of Dancing."
5 is a really goo sketch comedy film, none of the scenes loses a joke, and each scene is there for a joke, from an old man losing golf balls down a staircase for a bad guy pratfall, to a sunscreen/sunburn joke.

You'll also remember, for a film that came out in 1984, it's also a bit progressive, with Hightower expressing anger and asserting himself after a racial slur against a black woman, then him as a tall, strong black man being seen next as a florist, and saving the day.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 20, 2021, 11:57:44 PM
it was the eighties so they had the obligatory cartoon version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOE0F4i7GK8)
I saw the cartoon before ever seeing any of the movies.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on July 21, 2021, 12:05:04 AM
Not sad and depressing, painful and disturbing.

D’oh. Shame on me.

There was another similar dig from the Simpsons which I’ll just post a link to so as to avoid any chance of further misquoting:

https://youtu.be/1HuIILdA8Lg
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: St_Eddie on July 21, 2021, 05:21:53 AM
It’s funny because they’re gay and the gay mens are obsessed with sex in a way that straight people aren’t.  Straight people are multifaceted individuals with lives beyond sexual interests.  Their lives do not revolve around sexual matters.  However, them gays are all about the sex.  They can’t get enough of it.  Stupid gay men. Always wanting to be bumming and things. Lolz
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 21, 2021, 07:00:00 AM
It’s funny because they’re gay and the gay mens are obsessed with sex in a way that straight people aren’t.  Straight people are multifaceted individuals with lives beyond sexual interests.  Their lives do not revolve around sexual matters.  However, them gays are all about the sex.  They can’t get enough of it.  Stupid gay men. Always wanting to be bumming and things. Lolz

The dependable St Eddie being the voice of reason, as ever. The fucking Police Academy films being given serious and appreciative critical evaluation on  this forum. I never thought I'd see the day.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: kalowski on July 21, 2021, 07:18:26 AM
D’oh. Shame on me.

There was another similar dig from the Simpsons which I’ll just post a link to so as to avoid any chance of further misquoting:

https://youtu.be/1HuIILdA8Lg
My daughter is in the next room watching late period Simpsons (somewhere around series 27 I think). It just doesn't compare. This is written and performed so well it's wonderful.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: The Giggling Bean on July 21, 2021, 07:35:39 AM
I saw the cartoon before ever seeing any of the movies.

Me too, and my parents weren't keen on letting me watch them when I asked. They kept mentioning the podium scene between them as justification for not letting me watch the first one. Those 2 blow job jokes prevented me from watching the first one for ages.

I saw part 3 first and really liked it. To this day I've still got a nostalgic soft spot for it. After that I saw parts 2, 4, 5 and the rest. I enjoyed most of them when I was a pre teen, but the novelty wore off soon afterwards.

About 5 yrs ago there was a DVD shop which was going out of business and selling everything off dirt cheap. One particular Saturday morning they were showing pt 2 while I was channel hopping. I ended up watching it and enjoying it. I hadn't seen or thought about the series for years. I ended up buying the DVDs of the first 4 films for about £2 that day.

I seem to have dismissed anything post 4 due to the lack of Steve Guttenberg.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: The Ombudsman on July 21, 2021, 08:59:37 AM
I re-watched these at the beginning of the year, after my mums funeral. Thought it might be some good comic relief.

I did find the homophobia unsettling and didn't find them as funny as I remembered, I guess the difference of being middle aged.

That said, I found the ending of Ace Ventura more unsettling, when they strip clothing of the woman who was once the male 'baddie'. The bit with the lump in the back of her knickers I thought was horrendous, but I likely laughed as a kid.

But in a way I was glad to have re-watched as it highlighted how far attitudes have changed in a relatively short pace of time. I appreciate not everyone, but I doubt those things would be made the same way today due to current taste and decency standards.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: mippy on July 21, 2021, 09:13:53 AM
These and Meet The Fockers are the only non-Western films I remember my dad actually enjoying.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Gurke and Hare on July 21, 2021, 10:28:52 AM
There's some great character naming going on in them. Moses Hightower, Larvell Jones, Eugene Tackleberry, Thaddeus Harris, all very strong names.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: sevendaughters on July 21, 2021, 10:39:54 AM
there is a mildly subversive quality to the Blue Oyster scene in PA2 that their object of worship for the patrons is, and I think this is pretty relevant for the US, a black man, their reverence for Hightower has Jesus overtones. the return to the bar in PA3 is just trash though.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: famethrowa on July 21, 2021, 11:00:48 AM
Isn't there a director's cut where they show Lassard copiously ejaculating on the hooker's face, and then inside the podium Mahoney says to her "Humor is something that thrives between man's aspirations and his limitations. There is more logic in humor than in anything else. Because, you see, humor is truth."?
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on July 21, 2021, 11:36:29 AM
Captain Harris falls through the gay bar.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 21, 2021, 11:38:05 AM
Captain Harris falls through the gay bar.

And Jones makes a sound.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on July 21, 2021, 01:23:57 PM
Was sad to read this about the actor who played Mauser (although it also sounds like something that might happen to his character in the films)

Quote
In September 1989, Metrano broke his neck and seriously injured his spinal cord after falling off a ladder while working on his house. While he was initially a quadriplegic,[7][8] he has since regained the use of his arms and legs, and is able to walk short distances with the help of crutches, although he regularly uses a motorized wheelchair.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: KennyMonster on July 21, 2021, 01:41:26 PM
It’s funny because they’re gay and the gay mens are obsessed with sex in a way that straight people aren’t.  Straight people are multifaceted individuals with lives beyond sexual interests.  Their lives do not revolve around sexual matters.  However, them gays are all about the sex.  They can’t get enough of it.  Stupid gay men. Always wanting to be bumming and things. Lolz

Don't watch "Diamonds Are Forever"
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: sevendaughters on July 21, 2021, 03:10:37 PM
Was sad to read this about the actor who played Mauser (although it also sounds like something that might happen to his character in the films)

He got a comedy show out of that called Jews Don't Belong On Ladders or something very near to that. I love Metrano, some of his TV clips are amazing.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: dothestrand on July 21, 2021, 08:01:25 PM
I remember watching the Police Academy TV series when I was a teenager and finding it somewhat erotic, although it was probably just a few women in bathing costumes and the odd pair of buttocks in the show.

One of the early films, maybe the first even, had the statuesque tough blonde woman jump a guy in his room, that I remember.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: dothestrand on July 21, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
Harris is fantastic. His monologue while he's drawing on the blackboard is superb.

Plays the same guy in Mannequin really. Just that he's a store detective working for an oily James Spader on the sly.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 21, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
The dependable St Eddie being the voice of reason, as ever. The fucking Police Academy films being given serious and appreciative critical evaluation on  this forum. I never thought I'd see the day.

Hehe

Some of these gays have rich inner lives you know
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 21, 2021, 09:10:16 PM
Hehe

Some of these gays have rich inner lives you know

Yes, It's not all bumming and liking Lorraine Kelly

Are you suggesting that the fucking Blue Oyster Bar scenes in the Police Academy films ( The fucking Police Academy films, for fuck's sake) are used for anything other than cheap " Homos, ho-ho"  laffs? The Boy Eddie makes a perfectly valid point.

Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 22, 2021, 12:01:46 AM
No just having a giggle with eddie

Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 22, 2021, 07:45:02 AM
I watched a few of these a while ago and was absolutely fascinated by the Blue Oyster Bar.

First Take: It's just a crude stereotype of the gay community wherein the joke is just gay panic.

Second Take: So... It's a gay BDSM club but all they ever do is dance the tango? That's really rather surreal and chastely sweet.

Third Take: Wait... Is 'dancing the tango' a visual metaphor for gay rape? In a film with no other visual metaphors?

I actually think it works on all three levels and I can't think of any other cinematic conceit that comes anywhere close to it. It's both utterly profane and beautifully innocent. It's as though someone were to remake Gaspar Noe's Irreversible except the opening sex club was nothing but blokes in a basement playing Settlers of Catan.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 22, 2021, 07:58:09 AM
It’s funny because they’re gay and the gay mens are obsessed with sex in a way that straight people aren’t.  Straight people are multifaceted individuals with lives beyond sexual interests.  Their lives do not revolve around sexual matters.  However, them gays are all about the sex.  They can’t get enough of it.  Stupid gay men. Always wanting to be bumming and things. Lolz

But they're not having sex. They're dancing.

If anyone in this thread is reducing gay men to their sexual activity it's you. You are literally looking at a scene of gay men dancing and declaring that they're having sex with each other. You're a fucking pervert mate. You've got a screw loose. You want to get help mate. Get some therapy.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 22, 2021, 08:45:54 AM
Bit harsh
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 22, 2021, 08:47:00 AM
But they're not having sex. They're dancing.

If anyone in this thread is reducing gay men to their sexual activity it's you. You are literally looking at a scene of gay men dancing and declaring that they're having sex with each other. You're a fucking pervert mate. You've got a screw loose. You want to get help mate. Get some therapy.

I suspect that you're just joking around with this post, but in your own previous post you done said that the dancing is possibly a visual metaphor for gay rape of heterosexual fellers. I'd go along with this, as , even though the writers  knew they could get away with ladies showing their knockers and blow job gags, it would be unlikely that full on showing of hapless heteros getting a right good seeing to by butch gentlemen who like other men would be allowed within the remit of a " Restricted" rating. Hence the coy visual metaphor, still making the less than sophisticated depiction of the homosexual lifestyle possible. The Boy Eddie remains vindicated in the assertions he made in his post.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 22, 2021, 08:56:43 AM
I also remain vindicated in my own assertion that all of the Police Academy films are a load of unfunny cobblers. I remain aghast at the praise being given to the series in this thread. It's like reading an appreciation of the humorous motifs of " Sex Lives Of The Potato Men" in " Sight and Sound" Magazine. Full of palpable disgust, so I am. Palped right up.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 22, 2021, 09:01:55 AM
I was indeed joking. Apologies Steddy.

I suspect that the intent was indeed lol bummers. I also think that there is something beautifully poetically weird about an ostensibly realistic universe in which gay men dress up in leather purely in order to dance. I think there's a lot to unpack from that gag once you push past the homophobia...

 Aside from the surrealism worthy of Fellini, there's also quite an astute observation about how alienated we are from other people's desires and how, if you're not turned on by a particular fetish, its non-sexiness is not just an absence but a weird negative presence in its own right? Like that anecdote told by Hunter S Thompson about spilling liquid acid on his clothes only for a hippy to start suckling at his clothing at which point a normie walks in and discovers a world in which fully clothed men gum at each other's clothing.

If the lads at the Blue Oyster were having sex, they'd just be different. The fact that they dance vaguely old fashioned dances whilst dressed in bondage gear makes them profoundly and terrifyingly other. That's homophobic too but it's a more thoughtful, interesting, and revealing hmform of homophobia than eww bummers.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Sonny_Jim on July 22, 2021, 09:16:52 AM
It's fun having the Blue Oyster bar theme as a ringtone, if only to see people twitch in recognition of it when it goes off.

I did a rewatch of all of them last year (Netflix had all of them bar 7 IIRC) and I enjoyed the first 2, then they get progressively worse and somehow never quite hit 'so bad it's good', just 'bad' territory.

'Oh no, not on Brocolli!' always makes me laugh though.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: St_Eddie on July 22, 2021, 03:02:39 PM
If the lads at the Blue Oyster were having sex, they'd just be different. The fact that they dance vaguely old fashioned dances whilst dressed in bondage gear makes them profoundly and terrifyingly other. That's homophobic too but it's a more thoughtful, interesting, and revealing hmform of homophobia than eww bummers.

But the joke at the end of the scene is that the cop is left behind with the gay men and they all surround him, looking at him with come hither eyes and the cop becomes uncomfortable because all the gay men want to bum him.  That's literally the joke and it absolutely hinges around the homophobic concept of "eww bummers".  It also reinforces the homophobic belief and fallacy that gay men are intrinsically rapists and that if a straight man is being hit on by a gay man, then they have something to fear, rather than simply politely stating that their bread's not buttered that way and carrying on about their day.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: sevendaughters on July 22, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
But the joke at the end of the scene is that the cop is left behind with the gay men and they all surround him, looking at him with come hither eyes and the cop becomes uncomfortable because all the gay men want to bum him.  That's literally the joke and it absolutely hinges around the homophobic concept of "eww bummers".  It also reinforces the homophobic belief and fallacy that gay men are intrinsically rapists and that if a straight man is being hit on by a gay man, then they have something to fear, rather than simply politely stating that their bread's not buttered that way and carrying on about their day.

It's not exactly the most PC piece but there's far more going on than your one-sided reading of it. Sweetchuck wanders in there in his running away from the gang and ends up being protected by the patrons. the gang runs in and a fight ensues (with the gay clientele framed as heroes and winning). the police come and Hightower goes in to sort it out (we never see inside during this part). outside, the patrons find him powerfully erotic because he has heroically and singlehandedly stood up to the bullies wrecking their club. Hightower's reaction is a bit rum but there's nothing rapey about it at all. no lines crossed, and as I stated earlier, there is a subversive aspect to this.

i actually think people are confusing the scenes in PA2 and PA3, which have different Blue Oyster scenes. the PA3 is far worse and decidedly more homophobic.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: kalowski on July 22, 2021, 04:22:36 PM
It's an age since I saw it but are you sure there isn't a combination of the "gay predator" trope and the "sexually powerful black man" trope all mixed in that scene?
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: sevendaughters on July 22, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
mining for tropes only produces superficial analysis imho, perfect for the internet era but boils down to well done you spotted an example of thing rather than thinking about how this particular example works in this particular context and how that is in fact different from other usages.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: kalowski on July 22, 2021, 05:33:49 PM
I think you mean that I am right.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 22, 2021, 05:52:07 PM
Imagine how jaded you'd have to be to defend the Blue Oyster scenes in the "Police Academy" movies.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Dusty Substance on July 22, 2021, 05:56:13 PM
I'll come back to this thread, read it properly and give some of my own thoughts on the films as they were hugely important to me as a kid, but off the top of my head I'd rank them like this:

1. PA1
2. PA6: CUS
3. PA2: TFI
4. PA4: COP
5. PA3: BIT
6. PA5: AMB

I was reminded of Police Academy when watching an episode of Taxi this morning which featured Bubba "Hightower" Smith. Him and Danny De Vito together in the same shot was quite something.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: sevendaughters on July 22, 2021, 06:05:12 PM
Imagine how jaded you'd have to be to defend the Blue Oyster scenes in the "Police Academy" movies.

yeah let's all just agree with each other and save time having a forum
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 22, 2021, 07:14:34 PM
Imagine how jaded you'd have to be to defend the Blue Oyster scenes in the "Police Academy" movies.

So very jaded. These days, the only thing that can coax an erection from this aging husk of a body is Japanese drool porn and noticing beautifully weird and poetic moments in somewhat outdated mainstream Hollywood comedies.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 22, 2021, 11:56:55 PM
Name any other film in the 80s that has leather daddies in it. Representation matters!
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Shaky on July 23, 2021, 04:35:43 AM
Thought I'd give PA5 a re-evaluation based on this thread and it's even worse than I'd remembered. There are almost no verbal jokes, and countless scenes of characters falling into water. Most of the main cast have all been reduced to briefly demonstrating their one bit of schtick by this point. The only semi decent gag is Proctor throwing water over an on-fire, off-screen Harris. Showed something approaching comic timing.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Sonny_Jim on July 23, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
Name any other film in the 80s that has leather daddies in it. Representation matters!
Cruising (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruising_(film)).
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 23, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
Terminator
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 23, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
You Can't Stop The Music

That Village People film from 1980.


( Well, there's *one* leather daddy in it)


I wouldn't mind seeing that film again actually,  it was pretty decent for what it was. Nancy Walker and Valerie Perrine were also in it.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: MoreauVasz on July 23, 2021, 01:21:48 PM
Cruising (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruising_(film)).

Both the source material for the gag and a way more homophobic piece of cinema.

Police Academy: Gay men attend clubs where they chastely dance with each other.
Cruising: Gay men attend clubs where they are interchangeably and indistinguishably both victimised prey and murderous predator.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on August 08, 2021, 11:48:52 PM
You Can't Stop The Music

That Village People film from 1980.


( Well, there's *one* leather daddy in it)


I wouldn't mind seeing that film again actually,  it was pretty decent for what it was. Nancy Walker and Valerie Perrine were also in it.

Cruising was actually shooting at the same time in New York. And a lot of gay activists had heard about it. So, every time they spotted in the streets a film crew and a few campy gay costumes, they would try to halt the production. It became a nightmare for Can't Stop the Music, and Steve Guttenberg has very negative memories because of it.

Anyway, "El Bimbo" was a big hit in France and a few other countries, before it was used as the compulsory soundtrack to the Blue Oyster Bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1zJK1ADSRM
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 09, 2021, 12:05:30 AM
I read about that, didn't they get up on nearby roofs and play loud music, shine spotlights on the filming, and so on?
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: ElTwopo on September 09, 2021, 11:28:07 PM
Was sad to read this about the actor who played Mauser (although it also sounds like something that might happen to his character in the films)

In September 1989, Metrano broke his neck and seriously injured his spinal cord after falling off a ladder while working on his house. While he was initially a quadriplegic,[7][8] he has since regained the use of his arms and legs, and is able to walk short distances with the help of crutches, although he regularly uses a motorized wheelchair.


Sadly passed away yesterday. Will never forget his hair-based shenanigans from Police Academy 2 (hairy hands, no eye-brows). Godspeed Mauser.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 10, 2021, 01:54:57 AM

R.I.P Capt. Mauser

Will never forget his hair-based shenanigans from Police Academy 2 (hairy hands, no eye-brows).

When I was about ten, I would watch Police Academy movies with my Dad and I vividly remember the hairy hands scene, Mauser asking "Can anyone tell me how this happened?" and Mahoney saying "I can, Sir, and if you don't stop that you could go blind". Baffled by this joke, I asked my Dad what it meant and he must have panicked in the moment and said it was a joke about turning into a werewolf.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 11, 2021, 05:19:58 PM
Watched the first one on Netflix last night, and although I didn't laugh that often, one line did crack me up

Harris shouting at the chubby lad "I could show a movie on your ass!"

Apparently the scene went on a fair bit longer, with Harris shouting out films which he'd watch on his arse, but I think it ended at the right point
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: lipsink on October 11, 2021, 06:49:19 PM
I loved them as a kid but I rewatched them as a grown up and they're pretty much awful but they do have their moments. 1 and 5 seem to be the best (though I was disappointed when 5 came out as Mahoney wasn't in it)

Oh, the main theme tune is incredible as well.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Better Midlands on October 11, 2021, 08:08:28 PM
Oh, the main theme tune is incredible as well.

Just looked it up to see if it matched the music in my head (which it did).

The video had the original poster as the image which was very evocative of 80s video shops.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1057/4964/products/police-academy-vintage-movie-poster-original-30x40.jpg?v=1568927179)

Edit: I didn't realise Kim Cattrall was in it.

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PM8915/studio-publicity-still-from-police-academy-steve-guttenberg-kim-cattrall-1984-warner-all-rights-reserved-file-reference-31706233tha-for-editorial-use-only-PM8915.jpg)
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: lipsink on October 11, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Just looked it up to see if it matched the music in my head (which it did).

The video had the original poster as the image which was very evocative of 80s video shops.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1057/4964/products/police-academy-vintage-movie-poster-original-30x40.jpg?v=1568927179)

That poster confused me the other day cos they appear to have Callaghan in it twice (that's not meant to be Kim Catrall at the front, is it?)
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 11, 2021, 08:45:25 PM
Apparently they would add a sexy woman to the film posters who wasn't actually in the film, as a joke. There's definitely one on the second film poster too
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on October 11, 2021, 10:21:21 PM
I also remain vindicated in my own assertion that all of the Police Academy films are a load of unfunny cobblers. I remain aghast at the praise being given to the series in this thread.
Yes. Police Academy is depressing drivel, and not even in an ironic, self-aware kind of way. These films try desperately to entertain and consistently fail at every instance. They are strong contenders for the most moronic load of bollocks ever to disgrace a screen. That and the National Lampoon monstrosity.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 11, 2021, 10:35:37 PM
Yes. Police Academy is depressing drivel, and not even in an ironic, self-aware kind of way. These films try desperately to entertain and consistently fail at every instance. They are strong contenders for the most moronic load of bollocks ever to disgrace a screen. That and the National Lampoon monstrosity.
There are at least some great National Lampoon movies. There are no good Police Academy movies.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 11, 2021, 10:38:00 PM
Hightower's reaction is a bit rum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REwimg6y1Cg

At about 1:50, decide for yourself why this shit is being defended.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on October 12, 2021, 02:38:35 AM
Watched the first one on Netflix last night, and although I didn't laugh that often, one line did crack me up

Harris shouting at the chubby lad "I could show a movie on your ass!"

Apparently the scene went on a fair bit longer, with Harris shouting out films which he'd watch on his arse, but I think it ended at the right point

I remember this little exchange.

'Just remember, no-one screws with me.'

'Well, maybe one day you'll meet the right girl and that'll change.'
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Sonny_Jim on October 12, 2021, 07:45:47 AM
I know I shouldn't find it funny because of the portrayal of homosexuals isn't exactly nuanced and the gay panic schtick is straight out of the 1970s, but hearing the Blue Oyster music always makes me laugh.

And yes, having loved them as a kid and rewatching them recently, you only ever really need to see the first one.  Maybe watch mission to Moscow just to see how bad they got.  There's the odd good joke sprinkled here and there throughout the series but I'm the whole they are pretty dire.

Can't wait for the eventual all female reboot.
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: evilcommiedictator on October 13, 2021, 11:25:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REwimg6y1Cg

At about 1:50, decide for yourself why this shit is being defended.
Ah yes, the comedy leather gays being interested in a tall black police officer who has just removed a bunch of brawlers from their bar. Yes, all gay men will rape you if you drop your wallet territory, but it is also comedy uncomfortable?

You also missed Mahoney knowing the address of a gay bar off the top of his head at the start too, something which was still being used in something as recent as Frasier
Title: Re: Police Academy films
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 14, 2021, 09:20:05 AM
That scene is very jarring, yep, but it made me sigh more than anything. Though I admit, I did laugh when it cut back to them dancing cheek to cheek.

You know....1984. What can ya do. It's a time capsule of wrongness and less enlightened times