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Title: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 09, 2021, 10:08:33 AM
Here's the C&B League link - https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/auto-join/9pxg78

Here's the Head to Head league (which I actually preferred last season) - https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/auto-join/opsm1v

Grealish currently at 8m and already picked by nearly a third off all managers.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Crabwalk on August 09, 2021, 10:45:05 PM
I'm definitely up for some hot head2head action this season
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Sgt. Duckie on August 10, 2021, 12:00:04 AM
I'm there. See you on ze turf!
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 10, 2021, 07:21:51 PM
This year, I have added an exciting knockout cup to the proceedings.
Has everyone else got Grealish and Toney?
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Mobius on August 10, 2021, 11:03:15 PM
I've joined but for some reason my team name is "Pending Moderation" - can't even remember what I typed in there but it wasn't that.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on August 12, 2021, 08:18:13 AM
fired last year's manager into the cunting exosphere

fun fact but Jose Mourinho is actually my manager
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 12, 2021, 08:26:03 PM
Come on, spill beans. Need some idea of what to do.

Apparently, even though most are probably tempted by playing at least 2 up front, it's the defence and midfield where the points are so may just go for one quality forward and 2 cheapos.

Will the huge transfer fees for Grealish (and presumably Kane) mean they'll dodge Guardiola's rotation?

Chelsea are even more of a nightmare to predict due to rotation. Lukaku's coming in at 11.5 but not sure if he'll even start for a while yet.

Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on August 12, 2021, 09:03:17 PM
Dont play one up top. You'll either have money rotting on the bench most weeks or your bench will be useless because the players will never be played by their teams. 5 at the back is usually steered clear of also, though there is the occasional regularly successful manager that swears by it. Picking a 442, 352 or 343 gives you the best chance of not putting yourself in a hole within a few games

re Grealish, nobody really knows. Kane would seem more likely guaranteed to start because Jesus is crap and Kane is a big lump who needs regular football 
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: chveik on August 12, 2021, 09:24:45 PM
grealish doesn't have great stats, he'll probably score/assist more in a dominant team but he'll also have to acclimate himself to pep ball (and i expect he'll keep rotating as usual)
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 12, 2021, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: phes on August 12, 2021, 09:03:17 PM
Picking a 442, 352 or 343 gives you the best chance of not putting yourself in a hole within a few games


You're not going to get much vfm with 3 up front and just 3 at the back, surely?

Quote from: chveik on August 12, 2021, 09:24:45 PM
grealish doesn't have great stats, he'll probably score/assist more in a dominant team but he'll also have to acclimate himself to pep ball (and i expect he'll keep rotating as usual)

I'm struggling to buy any players from City and Chelsea who are going to get any guaranteed game time. Thinking of swapping Fernandes for Greenwood and spending the surplus on either Kane or Lukaku but hard to know.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on August 12, 2021, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 12, 2021, 09:39:03 PM
You're not going to get much vfm with 3 up front and just 3 at the back, surely?

Last year's value performers were

Bamford 194 (5.5)
DCL 165 (7)

In the case of DCL he seems to blow hot for half a season and cold for the other half, so one half would have offered exceptional points per million per game. I get that it seems unintuitive that defenders appear to offer the best value for money, but that just doesn't translate to FPL success over the course of a season. Though it is gradually creeping closer to that.

I think the reasons it doesn't translate are twofold: firstly, first choice lower and lower-mid price strikers have a much higher ceiling than almost all defenders. A 5-8.5 striker could easily rack up 200 points (e.g Bamford, Ings, Jiminez etc). There are only a couple of defenders capable of that and you'll own one or two of these already. All other acceptable defenders will be around 100-150. Secondly, If you load more money into defence because it offers more value you will find it difficult to capitalise on these low/low-mid price strikers hitting great runs of from/fixtures. It's picking up these players that have a higher ceiling than defenders at the right times that allows you to maximise points over a season. Edit: and also pushes your team value up

Conversely, If you were setting a team in a competition where teams stayed untouched then it would quite possibly be won by a five at the back team
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on August 12, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on August 12, 2021, 09:39:03 PM
I'm struggling to buy any players from City and Chelsea who are going to get any guaranteed game time. Thinking of swapping Fernandes for Greenwood and spending the surplus on either Kane or Lukaku but hard to know.

Virtually no well known, successful manager is touching City, Chelsea, Lukaku or Kane yet (a few are going with Mahrez), which contributes to setting the template for a huge number of top teams. If you follow this template you may still be wrong, but you won't be falling behind the teams that will end up dominating the top few hundred thousand places come GW38

If it's a struggle it's probably a sign it's a bad idea

Every year a clear template emerges amongst the most active managers on twitter and various other message boards. It lacks innovation because most managers that do fairly well are - initially - conservative. Given it could be easily found by searching those terms I might as well put it here

It would be something like

Sanchez (foster)
TAA, Shaw, Veltman, White (+ a cheapie)
Salah, Bruno, Raphina, Jota (+ a cheapie)
Antonio, Ings, Toney 

In recent years the groupthink template has seen people make ok to good starts, but also seen them miss out on big wins that people who are not blinded by the template saw coming or happened onto
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 12, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
Cheers for that.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Mobius on August 12, 2021, 10:21:03 PM
I must be really thick, I can't see where you can change your formation?
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on August 12, 2021, 10:31:07 PM
You don't need to select a formation, it selects automatically when you drag players in or out of your team and you can change it any time you wish. But the formation you intend to play will influence your player choices, or vice versa
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Mobius on August 12, 2021, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: phes on August 12, 2021, 10:31:07 PM
You don't need to select a formation, it selects automatically when you drag players in or out of your team and you can change it any time you wish. But the formation you intend to play will influence your player choices, or vice versa

Ah yep I see, got it now thank you :) I haven't done a Fantasy Football for so many years, usually give up a few weeks in but going to try and stick with this!

Anyway here's the lads of the temporarily named "Pending Moderation"

(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/93808203f68af14339480abdf23f008d04270bcf625f7d1f446c352d0611f8bc2c79acf0.jpg)
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: EOLAN on August 13, 2021, 02:30:00 PM
Just to confuse things, I decided to go with team name Moderation Pending.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Chollis on August 13, 2021, 08:11:45 PM
fuck's sake, just set mine up now and missed the whole gameweek apparently! season OVER.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Mr_Simnock on August 14, 2021, 01:35:49 AM
me too, but didn't set the team up, cba this year
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Chollis on August 14, 2021, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: Chollis on August 13, 2021, 08:11:45 PM
fuck's sake, just set mine up now and missed the whole gameweek apparently! season OVER.

had Fernandes captained as well. definitely binning FF this year :D
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: RDRR on August 16, 2021, 10:43:07 AM
trying to restrain myself from triple captaining fernandes against southampton next week. like to get the chips out of the way as early as possible so i don't have to think too much
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: ersatz99 on August 28, 2021, 10:36:09 AM
Wildcarded the lot of them for this week. We go again.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 28, 2021, 07:37:15 PM
I used my wildcard this week too and was quite happy with my squad until the Ronaldo announcement. Currently got DCL, Antonio and Lukaku up front and Bruno and Greenwood behind them. Ideally will sack off both the MU midfielders, buy Son and AN Other but no idea who to swap for the Portuguese rapist.
Oh, just remembered, people will be doing that fucking Ronalado thing again, won't they? Fucks sake.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Lost Oliver on August 29, 2021, 09:11:26 AM
wildcard for me too after a dreadful start. already down about 0.5m too somehow. I hate this game.

Do we think we need Ronaldo? I think we probs do. Will be on pens I imagine too. Deffo takes away some of the Bruno threat
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on August 29, 2021, 11:28:08 AM
WC for me too this week. My team is doing just fine but on balance I think this IB represents a better/more fun time to play. There is so much happening in terms of little fixture swings, new players and potential absences that it's an opportunity to steal a march on people (or blow it) then build towards the more obvious moves people will be using WCs on further down the line
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 01, 2021, 03:10:04 PM
Ronaldo already on almost 10% ownership. Seems to be have funded by people flogging either Bruno or Lukaku.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on September 01, 2021, 03:19:24 PM
Quite happy with that. Always found 2 x 12.5 players to be a stretch too far and Salah and Lukaku look a great captain double act over the next few weeks. Hopefully we'll also see plenty of people tear up their teams to fit in Lukaku, Ronaldo and Salah.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 01, 2021, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: phes on September 01, 2021, 03:19:24 PM
Quite happy with that. Always found 2 x 12.5 players to be a stretch too far and Salah and Lukaku look a great captain double act over the next few weeks. Hopefully we'll also see plenty of people tear up their teams to fit in Lukaku, Ronaldo and Salah.

So you're not bothering with Ronaldo?
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on September 01, 2021, 04:22:39 PM
It's not in my plans yet. I've seen enough of Lukaku/Chelsea in the last couple of games to invest in Lukaku and back him now rather than wait for GW6
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Lost Oliver on September 04, 2021, 12:08:54 PM
Ronaldo just seems so dominant, he's gonna demolish Newcastle. Might just be worth getting in for that one game and then ditching. I had a terrible start so the only way I can get Lukaku in is if I get rid of either TAA, Salah or Bruno and it's looking like Bruno. Based entirely on the way they've played together for Portugal. But who knows.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 04, 2021, 12:50:59 PM
Is he certain to start though? I've got a feeling they'll field a lesser team and he'll be on the bench and brought on in the last 20 or something.

Although to be fair he could smash many goals against Newcastle in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: chveik on September 04, 2021, 01:28:22 PM
ronaldo is obsessed by his stats, he will want to start every game, take all the pens/free kicks...
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 04, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
Already got rid of Bruno and brought Son in. Got a bit of change left so may sell DCL or Antonio and Greenwood to bring in CR and Grey at Everton. Like the idea of Lukaku, Antonio and Ronaldo (this coming from someone who was going to go defence and midfielder heavy this year) with Son sat behind them but it won't leave me much wriggle room if I want to make changes later in the season. Think I'll at least save 4 points by waiting for the next game week and hoping Ronaldo just makes a brief cameo against Newcastle. Am I about to make a terrible mistake?
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on September 04, 2021, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 04, 2021, 01:29:52 PMhoping Ronaldo just makes a brief cameo against Newcastle. Am I about to make a terrible mistake?

For it to be a terrible mistake you're looking at Ronaldo hitting a big score and whoever you own instead blanking. Lukaku has Aston Villa, Salah has Leeds. You'd be unlucky for that to happen. United have to adjust to Ronaldo. Ronaldo will demand to have the ball and that means they'll have to turn their approach upside down in tactic and potentially in personnel. That will take several games. Ronaldo may not even start against Newcastle. Ronaldo is a bit of a flat track bully, so if you don't own him then just assume you're forgoing some points from him.. After that, United's fixtures deteriorate. This could be an unsettled period for United and with Ronaldo's ego it could turn sour if they struggle to play to his strengths.

Looking at the natural striking contender in Lukaku (discounting Kane for the moment as almost nobody is on him yet) he looks absolutely made for that team and I've rarely felt more confident about a player. He's also £1m cheaper. So that's reassuring. In midfield, his natural contender is Salah (unless you consider Bruno an option - I'm going with a no), who scores a point more per goal and a point more per clean sheet. Over a season that's a 30-40 point head start, before you even consider captain points

TL:DR

Ronaldo a fine option but absolutely not scared about not owning him. Relishing going into the next period where not owning him could be a differential
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Lost Oliver on September 08, 2021, 10:39:09 PM
The results of my WC for the time being. Might shift Ederson but I like the idea of having a city defensive player who never gets dropped and love the idea of just sticking with one keeper every week. Could switch to Sanchez and get Diaz in but it's a risk. Also want Christensen but can't afford him.

Ederson
Alexander-Arnold
White
Shaw
Jansson
Torres
Salah
Benrahma
Greenwood
Ronaldo
Antonio

Gunn
Dennis
Sissoko
Williams
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on September 08, 2021, 11:43:44 PM
After saying I was relishing going into this period without Ronaldo and that two premium strikers was a stretch, I'm looking at an about turn. I'm not convinced it's necessary at all to own him. But also concerned that one double digit return and his price explodes in one week. On balance I think i'd rather the risk of meh and downgrade than the more difficult alternative
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 09, 2021, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: phes on September 08, 2021, 11:43:44 PM
After saying I was relishing going into this period without Ronaldo and that two premium strikers was a stretch, I'm looking at an about turn. I'm not convinced it's necessary at all to own him. But also concerned that one double digit return and his price explodes in one week. On balance I think i'd rather the risk of meh and downgrade than the more difficult alternative

Don't they have a rule that price increases only occur a certain amount of weeks after an international break or a player being introduced? Sure I read something like that on one of the FF forums. I'm buying him as I get my next free transfer to hopefully still get him at 12.5.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 09, 2021, 12:37:17 PM
Quote from: Lost Oliver on September 08, 2021, 10:39:09 PM

Greenwood


Think he'll struggle to get minutes
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: phes on September 09, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 09, 2021, 12:36:41 PM
Don't they have a rule that price increases only occur a certain amount of weeks after an international break or a player being introduced? Sure I read something like that on one of the FF forums. I'm buying him as I get my next free transfer to hopefully still get him at 12.5.

His price will be frozen until around the time he plays. Even with high ownership it will likely rise v quickly if he returns. It's always been the way with united players because of their fanbase and it being a big name will exacerbate that
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Lost Oliver on September 09, 2021, 08:59:07 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 09, 2021, 12:37:17 PM
Think he'll struggle to get minutes

I think he's fine short term. If he continues to score they can't drop him. Plus I think he's class
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Lost Oliver on September 22, 2021, 10:01:30 PM
How much longer can I presist with Jiménez? I want to believe he'll recover but deep down I think he's gone.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: Lost Oliver on September 26, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
I got rid of him of course.
Title: Re: Fantasy Football 2021 - 2022
Post by: DenzilHolles on March 16, 2022, 11:37:52 PM
'Soyuncu be at work' - Stop getting everything right you dirty little sod. ( Love from Tin Pot Rovers).