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Title: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 17, 2021, 10:18:59 PM
Alright then: the ale house, the public cunteroony, the municipal shit-on, the boozeball, the quench merchants, the harkenlark, the drop-twenty. You know, them.

It would please me greatly to know what you look for. What's the key indicator of 'here is where I will spend my pounds/time'? If you don't really care "I don't really care" is fine.

There are all manner of them:

1. The Victorian/Edwardian City Tavern. Often open plan or opened up with a central or long side bar, either in grand old buildings like cinemas and banks repurposed (see Wetherspoons) or a bespoke grand old building itself if you're lucky (eg. Philharmonic Dining Rooms, The Bartons Arms). City centre so passing trade, can verge on a bit soulless like an airport waiting lounge, particularly if chain-owned and there's a grind of food service constantly. Often venues where the most craftmanship is on show in terms of opulent decor and surroundings but can sometimes be found in very unlikely places (eg. Garden Gate, Hunslet)

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2. The Old School Boozer. A throwback with simple seating, normally focused on drinks and social events. More Love-Hate establishments but often good for socialising, meeting different people without falling out and mixing together. The best ones are clever enough to try and diversify their offerings while not losing one iota of charm, the worst stew in their own farty racist beard juice and don't even try to make the toilets smell nice.

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3. The Country Pub. Blackened beams, roaring fire, bootscraper at the front door, dogs welcome. Like stepping into someone's house. Or, these days is it expensive gastrofood, stacks of 4x4s lining the roadside, gin-divorcees and ruddy Tory businessmen braying into their badly kept Landlord? Maybe that's still good? The pub is still open, sort of.

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4. The Micro-pub. Relatively recent. Gordon Brown's gift to publicans was a lift on taxation for small brewers. In turn, freehold publicans seeking to escape the beer tie were taking advantage of the liberalisation of commercial property for use as drinking establishments. Before long, the landscape has been changed with these odd uncanny valley venues trying to cram all sorts of things into tiny spaces.

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5. The Community Pub. Naturally some overlap with the above but we are talking about places that have something going on virtually 7 days a week. Pub quizzes, raffles, round-the-world food nights, pool + darts teams, folk jamming sessions and pretty much anything likely to drag anyone's sorry arse down the boozer for a bit.

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Tough to really depict all of that in 1 image but here's The Barrels, Hereford which is a great example

6. The Epicurist's Lair. Craft beer, real ale, Belgian beer, whatever it is. Some specialism that draws people in from near and far. Where to go if you are on balance more interested in what's coming out of the taps and what it tastes like than what's happening around you.

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7. Sport. No worries mate because sport on here. No nothing much else happening here but sport happening here mate. Room with sport happening here. What do you mean no sport happening here mate? Of course sport happening here mate - greyhounds and horses are sport - sport happening here mate. Can be city centre, backstreet or *shudder* estate pubs. What are we having? Pint of lager because no worries about that crap mate sport on here mate. Didn't you see the sign outside mate? BT SPORTS & SKY SPORTS sports on here mate.

*Picture frankly unnecessary*

8. Rock/Metal pubs. Yes they can happen, often they decide a pub should be dedicated to rock and metal music rather than just making a bar or club for that. A bit like growing a beard, probably going to put a portion off you forever, but also going to hook in lots of mental facial hair fans too. Let's include 'Music Venues' in this too, as there are some totally set up for that which don't dip into those genres.

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I have been slowly compiling some of my favourites as I have trundled across the length and breadth of this great England like a county seamer. Here they are (A-Z by Location):

- Victoria Inn, Beeston
- Yarbrough Hunt, Brigg
- Bag of Nails, Bristol
- Orchard Inn, Bristol
- The Robin Hood Inn, Cragg Vale
- The Cambridge Blue, Cambridge (of recent CaB Meet fame)
- The Elm Tree, Cambridge
- The Albion, Chester
- The Victoria Inn, Durham
- Fox & Goose, Hebden Bridge
- The Barrels, Hereford
- The Sportsman, Huddersfield
- Ye Olde Black Boy, Hull
- WM Hawkes, Hull
- Ye Olde White Harte, Hull
- Whitelocks, Leeds
- Cardigan Arms, Leeds
- The Strugglers, Lincoln
- Peter Kavanagh's, Liverpool
- Ship & Mitre, Liverpool
- The Nag's Head, London (Belgravia)
- The Mayflower, London (Rotherhithe)
- Princess Louise, London (Holborn) - I know it's a Sam Smith's place but please don't kill me
- Peveril of the Peak, Manchester
- The Crown, Middlesmoor
- Smuggler's Den, Morecambe
- Free Trade Inn, Newcastle
- Trip to Jerusalem, Nottingham (touristy but despite that)
- Fagan's, Sheffield
- The Blake Hotel, Sheffield
- The Wellington, Sheffield
- Shakespeare's, Sheffield
- The Gardener's Rest, Sheffield
- The Old Ale House, Truro
- The Blue Bell, York
- The Swan, York
- House of Trembling Madness, York (either, really, but the Stonegate one can probably pass as a pub whereas Lendal's is more of a bar)

Please note this is not strictly excluding all others, as I simply haven't visited most of them. There are probably some that flit in and out depending on the time of day and what's going on, but most of these I can solidly recommend, at least to people who like the sort of thing that each one is.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: crankshaft on August 17, 2021, 10:26:57 PM
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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 17, 2021, 10:48:22 PM
There are some lovely battle cruisers in Edinburgh shoulders, you should have a trip over the border. Largely through “community/local” cosy variety, but certainly worth a trip.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: bgmnts on August 17, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
My only requirement for a pub is that it's virtually empty when I'm there so I can look on my phone or do a crossword or something. So I suppose old school boozer would be my jam.

I like pubs with some tenuous historical significance. I went to the pub where Dylan Thomas allegedly drank himself to death before he died, and my local up the hill was a pub where John Frost and his Chartists stopped off for a quick pint on the way to the Newport Rising.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 17, 2021, 10:50:08 PM
There are some lovely battle cruisers in Edinburgh shoulders, you should have a trip over the border. Largely through “community/local” cosy variety, but certainly worth a trip.

Aye, planning to. Be a darl and name a few at least.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 17, 2021, 11:02:18 PM
The Canny Man, Cloisters, Sheep’s Heid Inn (ideal after a hike over Arthur’s Seat), Dagda Bar, Doctors (towards the national museum), the Black Cat, Guildford Arms, the Regent at the top of Easter Road, the Amber Rose (complete shit, but first drink with my wife), the Cannon’s Gait (complete shit but last drink with a lunatic ex girlfriend), and the fucker opposite the Earl of Marchmont that I forget the name of but is a lovely boozer and may have since closed.

Lots of excellent restaurants there too - huge fan of Spoon cafe and the Dogs on Hanover street.

I lived in morningside so my tendency is southward facing but I bet there’s tons of good stuff in Leith if someone else can advise. If you can wangle your way into the student union bar on bristo square you should, lovely twisty staircases and things.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: gib on August 17, 2021, 11:37:00 PM
the fucker opposite the Earl of Marchmont

would certainly make for an interesting sign
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Tony Tony Tony on August 17, 2021, 11:43:07 PM
The finest pub I ever knew was the pub of my youth.

It was called the King William and was known as the King Billy or to my dear departed dad simply the Billy. It’s where me and him bought each other a first “official” legal pint even though I had been going in there for eighteen months at least.

It had three rooms the best room with the piano where you could take a lady. The tap room where the regulars including my old man would while away the night with dominoes, darts or a game of cards. Then there was a front room with the free jukebox and a not free arcade game where us youngsters used to congregate which was disparaging referred to as the disco by the tap room regulars.

The landlord knew who he needed to keep happy as the regulars would sink seven or so pints a night even On a weekday darts match night when some local rival pub team would come to take on the might of the Billy. Sandwiches were laid on for the team, with pork pies on special occasions and the leftovers would make their way into the disco.

Lock-ins were a regular occurrence and the disco would have to keep quiet whilst the local Bobby made his rounds after phoning the landlord to let him know what time he would be passing. Then the night when local nutcase Hallie ate half a dozen pickled eggs on the bounce, from a huge jar behind the bar that was probably pre-war, thus earning him the inevitable nickname eggy.

Then there was the time I bumped into Mick ‘monkey boots’ after not seeing him for weeks. All I could remember was his old man had his car stolen a while ago so I opened the conversation with “what’s your old man driving these days?” He replied “nothing he died last week” so I slunk away in my shame.

Failing being able to find a place like The Billy you could always try your local spoons?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 12:05:55 AM
If we’re doing favourite boozers, I’ll nominate the White Lion in Caldmore (which used to have a full beer engine in the lounge bar). Maybe it was complete shit and my memory is warped by fondness, but it had absolutely zero pretence about it.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Yesno on August 18, 2021, 12:15:03 AM
Then the night when local nutcase Hallie ate half a dozen pickled eggs on the bounce, from a huge jar behind the bar that was probably pre-war, thus earning him the inevitable nickname eggy.

Surely, that's a feat that would earn you the nickname Hallie.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: dr beat on August 18, 2021, 12:18:39 AM
the fucker opposite the Earl of Marchmont that I forget the name of but is a lovely boozer and may have since closed.


The Argyle? Still very much there although the Earl sadly hasn't reopened since March 2020.

Good list Ferris, I'd add Stockbridge Tap, Bow Bar, Greenmantle, Auld Hoose, Cumberland Arms, Captain's Bar, Brass Monkey and Royal Dick bar at Summerhall.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 12:44:55 AM
The Argyle? Still very much there although the Earl sadly hasn't reopened since March 2020.

That’s the one! The Earl always looked too posh for the likes of us so we never went in. Could be misapprehension.

Stockbridge Tap is a must! How quickly we (I) forget. That is still my favourite bit of any city anywhere - that part of Edinburgh is the only bit of the UK I’d consider moving back to because it is so lovely.

Brass Monkey is a weird one - surely they aren’t still doing the giant mattress + films in the back room?

Edit: my inability to type words properly. Also to add Tiles Bar into contention. I used to work in that square (without saying what investment bank I worked for but err yeah it was that one just there) and it’s a unique little boozer. A pint there, then a pint or two at the guildford arms, then over south bridge… ah it’s like I’m back there already.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 12:57:42 AM
Actually I bet you could walk the Water of Leith (really one of the best urban walks out there) and cross it with a half decent pub crawl.

Ooh Joseph Pierce on Leith Walk is worth a shout too.

Alright I’ll stop now.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: chveik on August 18, 2021, 01:05:21 AM
these cunts open yet
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: idunnosomename on August 18, 2021, 01:19:07 AM
the blue bell is a corker. the princess louise can get tae fuck. sam smiths almost worse than wetherspoons. bad employers, shit beer, and their "no devices" is ableist and just plain fucking weird. also they were completely shitty about allowing their land to be used for a temporary bridge in Tadcaster when the main town bridge collapse in the 2015(?) floods.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: ImmaculateClump on August 18, 2021, 01:56:07 AM
My uncle owned, lived above and ran a pub in Durham and I loved the smell of it, but I spent most of my time there on the roof with his dark grey lhasa apso, Suzie.
Even through the noise and fear, I can remember that cosy vibe coming through. Everything seemed to have a yellow hue in there like that delicatessen film.
Always really liked a drink so I would definitely have loved pubs if I wasn't a fucknut. Too many people I didn't know or feel safe around in there. It'd take me until closing time to drink enough to begin to unwind which went against the whole point and seemed like a total waste of time and money.
If you didn't go to a pub, you could buy 4 times as much booze, take drugs and sit in a room with only the people you wanted to talk to, seemed like a no brainer to me.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 08:11:00 AM
The finest pub I ever knew was the pub of my youth.

It was called the King William and was known as the King Billy or to my dear departed dad simply the Billy. It’s where me and him bought each other a first “official” legal pint even though I had been going in there for eighteen months at least.



You and your dad were both 18 years old at the time? ( As in you bought him a pint, and he bought you one on the same occasion.)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 08:23:01 AM
If you ever find yourself in Moscow and in need of an unpretentious Kraft Ale Pub, you could do worse than Beer Time ( nearest Metro Station: Mendeleevskaya). Quite the range of beers, and blummin' cheap for Moscow, too. You walk down some steps at streep level, some kind of sports equipment shop selling crossbows and the like is to the left of you, and to the right of you is the ' time. Dimly lit, a range of long wooden benches and stools, Soviet Era paraphernalia all over the walls, vast range of beer names written on the chalkboard behind the bar. I rather unadventurously used to stick with Cougar, a nice light ale, but there's shitloads to choose from. No foxy Moscow lady barmaid serving you ( you have to go to other bars, like the Irish ex- pat owned Paddy's for that), it's all blokes with beards and Yuri Gagarin  T-Shirts serving you, but easily one of the best pubs in Moscow.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: RetroRobot on August 18, 2021, 08:29:58 AM
Love The Rutland Arms in Sheffield and Wharf Chambers in Leeds.  Proper lefty hangout spots with good food and drink, as well as great events.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 08:31:41 AM
Remember, when in Moscow and visiting Beer Time, to go down the steps  at Streep level. False proboscis and convincing accent other than your own essential.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Tony Tony Tony on August 18, 2021, 08:46:24 AM
You and your dad were both 18 years old at the time? ( As in you bought him a pint, and he bought you one on the same occasion.)

Yep I was just eighteen months older than my dad.

It’s a complicated story involving hoverboards, self lacing sneakers and a flux capacitor.

On the subject of pubs that still exist, whenever I get to Nottingham always love a visit to Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem. If you are in at a quiet time and climb to the top ‘room’ hey you are drinking in a real cave and can pretend you are in the Flintstones or summat.

If in that London I would try Ye Olde Mitre in Holborn. A pub that though in London is officially in Cambrigeshire. Something to do with the Bishop of Ely wanting to be in London but needing to be in Ely so he designated part of town as part of Cambridgeshire.

Those were the days when bishops had real power, no flux capacitor required.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 09:17:27 AM
....but....but...If you were just 18 months *older* (?) than your dad, that means he was 17 while you were 18...

When I was older, I used to love messing about in time machines.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:17:32 AM
Shame about the chain ownership and tourists but even then I didn't find it spoils Ye Olde Trip too much, and it's lovely on weekdays. As you say, with the caves, there's nothing else like it.

I like Ye Olde Mitre too, though it is rarely open when I'm in London (nearly always weekends). Quite cosy and generally superior without having a load of tacky 'A GHOST WAS SEEN HERE' shite either.

Definitely two of the superior Ye Oldes.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Tony Tony Tony on August 18, 2021, 09:26:14 AM
....but....but...If you were just 18 months *older* (?) than your dad, that means he was 17 while you were 18...


I’m from the future. That’s how I now about your horrible death at the hands of a jealous lover.

And to keep it on topic, this will be whilst you are in your favourite Moscow drinking den.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 18, 2021, 09:30:36 AM
Grogan's in Dublin is probably my favourite pub anywhere. Even in the city, I don't know anywhere that has quite the same blend of old-school no-nonsense pleasure and artiness (with loads of art on the walls). A pint and a cheese toast from there is perhaps my favourite combination of anything. Anything of value in the city is being knocked down or sold off and Wetherspoons are starting to get their foot in, so I'm just willing places like this to survive.

The Dead Rabbit in Manhattan is another great pub. They have a fancy cocktail bar upstairs that I've never been in - though I did have some of the drinks at a pop-up in Dublin - but the pub area downstairs is one of those great boozers which is just wall-to-wall with tat and punters, and in the winter at least, a nice warming smell of peat fires. Despite being downtown, it seemed miraculously free of banker twats when I was there too.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:33:58 AM
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Sheep’s Heid Inn

For the supposed oldest pub in Scotland they've gone out of their way to decorate it in such a way that it could be any pub in the entire country. No doubt nice after a cold dank climb though.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 18, 2021, 09:39:30 AM
A bar you can sit/stand at and meet people. One that has been built to accommodate and promote that. That's pretty much number one for me.

In contradiction to this my favourite pub in the country does not really have an appealing bar at which to sit. But it does everything else. The Brudenell. Has retained its soul while developing two gig venues, a giant garden, keeping their huge pool and snooker room, shows football without being a shithole, ok to great beer at good prices, heavy community involvement, wide variation of cast of customers. Has locals, has a more transient group keeping it fresh, has consistency and great heart and motovation in management.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: seepage on August 18, 2021, 09:49:57 AM
1980-82: probably loads of lovely pubs in Norwich but I can only properly remember the Compleat Angler on the river opposite the station (I remember there were optics behind the piano so the player could pour their own drinks), and the Firs at the end of Fifers Lane (not lovely), now a Tesco Express, which used to have the Firs Stadium opposite that hosted the Norwich Stars speedway team. There was an ex-hotel near the castle that had lots of windy rooms, some devoted to arcade machines - was that The Bell Hotel, now a 'spoons? Also one of those 'smallest pub in the world' places, on Pottergate I think, but I can't find it now.

1983-99: wasted most of my time in another ex-hotel, this one with three bars: the Teachers Bar [cliques of teachers from the local tech college, nowhere near the college but near where it was trendy for them to live], the Pool Bar [pool table] and the Piano Bar [piano and local crims]. When I first went it had just had  a makeover including neon blue & pink signs of cocktails and flamingos that were in vogue at the time, but that didn't last long. Drinks: Fosters, Kroonenberg, Courage Best or Directors [always off]. Red wine usually Pinotage [the stuff that smells of rubber].

Since then most places seem to have been converted to dining only so just a drink means outside in the summer.   
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:58:41 AM
I've checked out some of Ferris' and dr beats suggestions for Edinburgh. Thanks for those. Obviously sifting through ones that didn't stand out (to me anyway) and using recommendations and research from others I have down to visit:

Bow Bar, Captains Bar, The Guildford, the Dog House, Dagda, Tolbooth Tavern, Halfway House, Kays Bar, the Doric, White Hart (mebbe, mebbe not), The Oxford.

Cheers
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 10:27:51 AM


And to keep it on topic, this will be whilst you are in your favourite Moscow drinking den.

Yay! This means I get to return to Moscow, wherein reside at least * three* Her Who Plays Milly/ Molotov Girl In That Film lookalikes! I might even get to have a beer with Mr. Logic (from CaB, not " Viz")!  :)

Shame about the getting killed thing, though :(
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Blinder Data on August 18, 2021, 10:32:23 AM
Link to previous thread about pubs: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,50743.0.html

In my village we have an Old School Boozer, a Sport and a Community/Country Pub, which is a decent offering. Perfect for a lightweight's pub crawl.

Still, now that I've moved from the big city, and COVID has happened - plus the arrival of baby - I sincerely miss jumping into a city centre boozer for a swift one.

Edinburgh is much better for real ale than Glasgow, but for ambience Glasgow's are undoubtedly better - you will get worse beer but much better chat. Glasgow pubs are often so full of people getting mwi that I find them off-putting at weekends. If you don't care about the beer, just do a tour of the pubs surrounding Central station and you'll have a memorable night out.

For me, the north of England hits the sweet spot for the pubs that have the ambience, interior and decent beer that make you want to spend all day in them.

Shoulders, if you ever make it to Glasgow, a short list of city centre pubs worth visiting:
- The Pot Still (small yet contains an unbelievable amount of whiskies)
- The Bon Accord (like a bigger version of the Pot Still, though probably same amount of whiskies! Weird location tho)
- The Scotia (oldest pub in Glasgow, chain-owned but characterful)
- The Horseshoe (similar to the above, right by Central station)
- The State (regular winner of best pub by CAMRA)
- The Laurieston (untouched since the 60s, best pub in the world imo)

There's lots of bars in the Merchant City (Blackfriars, the Babbity Bowster) but none of them stand out as a "must-see" in my view. No doubt others might contribute West End suggestions but I would defer to their knowledge (and make that a separate day).
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on August 18, 2021, 10:34:44 AM
On the subject of pubs that still exist, whenever I get to Nottingham always love a visit to Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem. If you are in at a quiet time and climb to the top ‘room’ hey you are drinking in a real cave and can pretend you are in the Flintstones or summat.

Even when I was in at a quiet time, the top cave was usually taken :-(

The Lincolnshire Poacher in Nottingham is still my favourite pub ever, closely followed by The Victoria in Beeston. Oh, and if you love caves but are looking for something a little more intimate, I can't recommend the Hand & Heart (Nottingham, again) highly enough.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on August 18, 2021, 10:39:31 AM
Shame about the chain ownership and tourists but even then I didn't find it spoils Ye Olde Trip too much, and it's lovely on weekdays. As you say, with the caves, there's nothing else like it.

I like Ye Olde Mitre too, though it is rarely open when I'm in London (nearly always weekends). Quite cosy and generally superior without having a load of tacky 'A GHOST WAS SEEN HERE' shite either.

Definitely two of the superior Ye Oldes.

Any love for Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on August 18, 2021, 10:44:55 AM
A bar you can sit/stand at and meet people. One that has been built to accommodate and promote that. That's pretty much number one for me.

In contradiction to this my favourite pub in the country does not really have an appealing bar at which to sit. But it does everything else. The Brudenell. Has retained its soul while developing two gig venues, a giant garden, keeping their huge pool and snooker room, shows football without being a shithole, ok to great beer at good prices, heavy community involvement, wide variation of cast of customers. Has locals, has a more transient group keeping it fresh, has consistency and great heart and motovation in management.

I love the Brudenell, been going for nearly 25 years and it's amazing what Nathan has done with it, but I wouldn't go there for a pint unless I was also going to a gig.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 10:46:19 AM
What's that pub called in Nottingham that's really small, but bands also play there? There's graffiti all over the walls in and around the bogs, usually by the bands themselves, John Robb's written something on the walls there, blummin typical, gets everywhere, so he does. Has quite a bike's bar ambience about it. Been mentioned in these kind of threads before.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on August 18, 2021, 10:47:23 AM
Hey, shoulders, you forgot a category of bars: cinema/theatre/museum bars. Maybe not for everyone, and often not open unless or until there's a performance or something going on, but I always found cinema/theatre/museum bars strangely relaxing places to pass the time. The Broadway Cinema bar in Nottingham is a full-blown bar with a pleasant environment, and I always used to head up to the Nottingham Playhouse bar after work as it was just around the corner from my office (as was the Hand & Heart). There was also a lovely theatre bar (nominally members-only) in central London that I used to go for pre-gig drinks, but I've completely forgotten where it was and what it was called...

I've always been a fan of hotel bars, too, for some reason - watching people come and go, check in and out, dragging their suitcases behind them, consulting maps with confused faces. It has a calming effect - until it dawns on me that I've just paid €10 for a beer, the stupid berk I am
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 18, 2021, 10:52:49 AM


I've always been a fan of hotel bars, too, for some reason - watching people come and go, check in and out, dragging their suitcases behind them, consulting maps with confused faces. It has a calming effect - until it dawns on me that I've just paid €10 for a beer, the stupid berk I am

Some hotel bars are lovely. I was at a really nice one in Galway recently. My visit coincided with a heatwave, so it was lovely to sit out on the terrace next to the bar and have a couple of drinks in the evening, with some beautiful views of Lough Atalia and Galway Bay too.

Speaking of Galway, I was in a lovely pub there a couple of years ago but I can't remember the name or exactly where it was, as it was my first time in the city and I was brought there by some friends who knew the place when I'd only been there for a few hours.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on August 18, 2021, 10:53:57 AM
What's that pub called in Nottingham that's really small, but bands also play there? There's graffiti all over the walls in and around the bogs, usually by the bands themselves, John Robin's written something on the walls there, blummin typical, gets everywhere, so he does. Has quite a bike's bar ambience about it. Been mentioned in these kind of threads before.

Foremans Bar? I don't know if bands play(ed) there. I seem to remember it was always full of knobs and had a slightly menacing atmosphere within its compact confines...
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 10:58:21 AM


There's lots of bars in the Merchant City

Venini consider rewrite.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on August 18, 2021, 11:00:18 AM
There was also a lovely theatre bar (nominally members-only) in central London that I used to go for pre-gig drinks, but I've completely forgotten where it was and what it was called...

Phoenix Arts Club? Definitely a lesser known spot, with quite a random selection of headshots on the wall and a nice atmosphere as the theatre club slowly filters in.

Also find hotel/cinema bars very comforting, but I have a feeling they cross the line into being too 'bar'-ish to mention in a pub thread, with only a few exceptions.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: The Crumb on August 18, 2021, 11:09:44 AM
Tapping the Admiral is my absolute London fave. Nice people, good selection of beers, cozy without being tiny, fireplace and a lovely black and white cat called Nelson.

I used to work around Holborn, so I have a lot of affection for the Mitre (especially the snug), the Jerusalem Tavern, The Betsey Trotwood and the Cittie of Yorke. The Horseshoe was a reliable standby too.

There are times when 'better' pubs won't do and a family pub like a sizzling grill or the like hits the spot. Big garden with minimal landscaping but lots of tables, £3 lager, ridiculous portions of slightly awful food that become impossible to resist after a point.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on August 18, 2021, 11:34:54 AM
The Betsey Trotwood cancelled my friends' wedding reception with less than a week's notice so they can fuck right off.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 11:40:57 AM
The Ship & Mitre is an Everton pub. It's where my uncle goes before matches - he used to go the Top House but apparently it's crap now. I think kopites go the Swan, but not sure.

My favourite kind of pub is the metal pub. We've got the Salisbury in Manchester, which I love, and Grand Central used to be good, albeit impossible to have a conversation in.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: The Crumb on August 18, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
The Betsey Trotwood cancelled my friends' wedding reception with less than a week's notice so they can fuck right off.

Cracking burgers though
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 18, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
Love The Rutland Arms in Sheffield and Wharf Chambers in Leeds.  Proper lefty hangout spots with good food and drink, as well as great events.

The Rutland is my favourite pub. It's not the best or nicest in Sheffield but the way it hasn't fully committed to being anything but itself appeals to me.

The Lincolnshire Poacher in Nottingham is still my favourite pub ever, closely followed by The Victoria in Beeston. Oh, and if you love caves but are looking for something a little more intimate, I can't recommend the Hand & Heart (Nottingham, again) highly enough.

The Lincolnshire Poacher was great to pop into before a gig at the Maze. I think Castle Rock pubs are fantastic generally, thinking of the Vat & Fiddle, Newshouse and Canal House in Nottingham, New Barrack Tavern in Sheffield and Golden Eagle in Lincoln.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Chedney Honks on August 18, 2021, 11:56:34 AM
Based thread. More to add later but literally off to a country pub now for 'working lunch' aka cask bitter and a Ploughman's 😂
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 18, 2021, 12:10:45 PM
The Lincolnshire Poacher was great to pop into before a gig at the Maze. I think Castle Rock pubs are fantastic generally, thinking of the Vat & Fiddle, Newshouse and Canal House in Nottingham, New Barrack Tavern in Sheffield and Golden Eagle in Lincoln.

Ha is that the Maze in Nottingham? I'm good friends with the lad who used run the place.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on August 18, 2021, 12:11:31 PM
Tapping the Admiral is my absolute London fave. Nice people, good selection of beers, cozy without being tiny, fireplace and a lovely black and white cat called Nelson.

I used to work around Holborn, so I have a lot of affection for the Mitre (especially the snug), the Jerusalem Tavern, The Betsey Trotwood and the Cittie of Yorke. The Horseshoe was a reliable standby too.

Speaking of Holborn and pub cats, I'm a big fan of The Seven Stars. It's a cosy little place with old theatre posters everywhere and frequented by people who work at the Royal Courts of Justice around the corner, and also has a lovely pub cat that wears a ruff:

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/94/76/19/seven-stars.jpg)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 18, 2021, 12:20:02 PM
Ha is that the Maze in Nottingham? I'm good friends with the lad who used run the place.

Aye, had very good lineups.  Dead now.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 12:21:02 PM
Any love for Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese?

Yes, the main bar room by the entrance with the fireplace and the huge portrait on the wall must be one of the cosiest and most characterful pub rooms in the world. Again though shush cos it's a Sam Smiths pub.

Same goes for the Cittie of Yorke...
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 12:25:12 PM
I've checked out some of Ferris' and dr beats suggestions for Edinburgh. Thanks for those. Obviously sifting through ones that didn't stand out (to me anyway) and using recommendations and research from others I have down to visit:

Bow Bar, Captains Bar, The Guildford, the Dog House, Dagda, Tolbooth Tavern, Halfway House, Kays Bar, the Doric, White Hart (mebbe, mebbe not), The Oxford.

Cheers

Will do another plug for bennets, brass monkey and cloisters on the basis they’re close to the others and you’ll likely go past anyway so get a half on your way elsewhere.

Otherwise very solid list.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Twit 2 on August 18, 2021, 12:26:34 PM
Also one of those 'smallest pub in the world' places, on Pottergate I think, but I can't find it now.

The Vine, on Dove Street, just off Pottergate.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Pink Gregory on August 18, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
My favourite kind of pub is the metal pub. We've got the Salisbury in Manchester, which I love, and Grand Central used to be good, albeit impossible to have a conversation in.

In another life I'd have frequented the Gryphon in Bristol; despite the beer generally being really good (and dominated by darker beers/stouts, which is unusual) it's just not my scene - I'm not really an urban camo combat shorts kinda guy.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on August 18, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
The Ship & Mitre is an Everton pub. It's where my uncle goes before matches - he used to go the Top House but apparently it's crap now. I think kopites go the Swan, but not sure.

The Sandon is the main Liverpool FC pub, afaik.

When I lived in Cork, all the pubs near me got closed down. When I lived at Farranlea, I went to Dennehy's and that closed. Then I started going to the Western Star and that closed. That was fairly big and used to do good business, I guess someone waved enough money at the owners for the site, which is now student accommodation. Then I moved to Railway Place and went to Paddy The Famer's. That closed. The Glash Inn survived after I moved near that, although it's now called Flannery's Pub & Lounge.

The Bierhaus was probably my favourite pub in Cork cos they served Aspall Cyder on draft, the best cider that exists. It's tiny though.

Two pubs literally around the corner from where I live now (not in Cork anymore) that I haven't managed to close yet.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 18, 2021, 12:31:48 PM
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What's the key indicator of 'here is where I will spend my pounds/time'?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 18, 2021, 12:32:23 PM
Speaking of Holborn and pub cats, I'm a big fan of The Seven Stars. It's a cosy little place with old theatre posters everywhere and frequented by people who work at the Royal Courts of Justice around the corner, and also has a lovely pub cat that wears a ruff:

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/94/76/19/seven-stars.jpg)

Maybe this post belongs in the " " Ruff As Fuck Pubs" Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😀😁😂🤣😃😄😅😆😊😺😸😹☻
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 12:36:35 PM
Speaking of Holborn and pub cats, I'm a big fan of The Seven Stars. It's a cosy little place with old theatre posters everywhere and frequented by people who work at the Royal Courts of Justice around the corner, and also has a lovely pub cat that wears a ruff:

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/94/76/19/seven-stars.jpg)

Count me as another Seven Stars fan. It’s the only pub in London I go out of my way to visit, though it’s close enough to Gordon’s under the bridge and Two Temple Place (wacky museum with stuff in it) that I can make a day out of it.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 12:47:37 PM
Quote from: Neville Chamberlain
Hey, shoulders, you forgot a category of bars: cinema/theatre/museum bars

Oh this isn't about bars and pubs altogether, just pubs. Some older Hotel bars just about qualify though.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: robhug on August 18, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Penrhyn Arms near Llandudno, supposedly frequented by Reed and Best in what is the least surprising celebrity pair of patrons you could imagine, is quite nice but an absolute cunt to find.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: icehaven on August 18, 2021, 01:02:38 PM

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/94/76/19/seven-stars.jpg)

How undignified.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: RetroRobot on August 18, 2021, 01:05:03 PM
I love the Brudenell, been going for nearly 25 years and it's amazing what Nathan has done with it, but I wouldn't go there for a pint unless I was also going to a gig.

Brudenell Social Club? Chuffing mint and only round the corner from me. Love it.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: RetroRobot on August 18, 2021, 01:09:08 PM
The Rutland is my favourite pub. It's not the best or nicest in Sheffield but the way it hasn't fully committed to being anything but itself appeals to me.

The Lincolnshire Poacher was great to pop into before a gig at the Maze. I think Castle Rock pubs are fantastic generally, thinking of the Vat & Fiddle, Newshouse and Canal House in Nottingham, New Barrack Tavern in Sheffield and Golden Eagle in Lincoln.

Re: Rutland, any bar decorated in lefty protest signs, tie fighters and figures of Luigi is a good pub. Plus their steak sarnies are perfect after a few beers.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 18, 2021, 01:12:29 PM
Brudenell Social Club? Chuffing mint and only round the corner from me. Love it.

I've not used it all that often for gigs as others do, and it was my local for years as I lived on one of the Thornvilles. It's a proper pub, despite all the add-ons making it sound like it's all bells and whistles. Favourite place to watch a daytime football match at the weekend
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Count me as another Seven Stars fan. It’s the only pub in London I go out of my way to visit, though it’s close enough to Gordon’s under the bridge and Two Temple Place (wacky museum with stuff in it) that I can make a day out of it.

Thirded. Great pub. I forget but isn't the owner and dresser of cats called something almost beyond parody like Hattie Beaujolais or Lottie Bojangles or something?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 18, 2021, 01:16:46 PM
Re: Rutland, any bar decorated in lefty protest signs, tie fighters and figures of Luigi is a good pub. Plus their steak sarnies are perfect after a few beers.

The toilet graffiti usually throws up at least a chuckle
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on August 18, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
Thirded. Great pub. I forget but isn't the owner and dresser of cats called something almost beyond parody like Hattie Beaujolais or Lottie Bojangles or something?

Haha, it's Roxy Beaujolais.

I remember when I was in that pub with my gf and went up to the bar, a judge/legal type started speaking to me and then pointed to where my gf was sitting and said "is she with you?", I told him that she was and then just as it came time to pay for my drinks and take them back he said "don't worry about it sir, these are on me, just make sure you tell her she's beautiful". Felt like it was becoming a bit indecent proposal but a free drink is a free drink...


Also remembered the toilets upstairs in that place, it always feels like going into someone's lived-in attic.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 01:29:27 PM
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Also remembered the toilets upstairs in that place, it always feels like going into someone's lived-in attic.

I love that, it really underlines the age of the building. Whitelock's in Leeds too, the stairs to their toilets are a bit similar.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 01:33:36 PM
Haha I also liked the bogs! It’s up those mad stairs and you think “well this can’t be right…”
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: beanheadmcginty on August 18, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
I always like a pub chock full of mad ornamental shite, so the best one for me was the Montague Arms in New Cross. Taxidermied zebras pulling a coach and actual human skeletons were among the highlights. I think it's closed or refurbished now though sadly.
Elsewhere, the karaoke nights at the Globe on Morning Lane in Hackney are absolutely superb.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 01:56:37 PM
I always like a pub chock full of mad ornamental shite, so the best one for me was the Montague Arms in New Cross. Taxidermied zebras pulling a coach and actual human skeletons were among the highlights. I think it's closed or refurbished now though sadly.
Elsewhere, the karaoke nights at the Globe on Morning Lane in Hackney are absolutely superb.

Most recent review from 2 years ago complains that 'new owners have eviscerated it, turned it into a generic hotel bar piece of nothing'. It is now permanently closed.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: RetroRobot on August 18, 2021, 03:17:28 PM
I love that, it really underlines the age of the building. Whitelock's in Leeds too, the stairs to their toilets are a bit similar.

Wharf Chambers had great bog graffiti but they've covered up most of it recently
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
Wharf Chambers had great bog graffiti but they've covered up most of it recently

What chambers is an uber woke hole where even the staff are scared to open their mouths for fear of dismissal. Needs shutting down, dangerous set of ideologies there.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 03:21:33 PM
What chambers is an uber woke hole where even the staff are scared to open their mouths for fear of dismissal. Needs shutting down, dangerous set of ideologies there.

Huh?!
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: RetroRobot on August 18, 2021, 03:26:21 PM
What chambers is an uber woke hole where even the staff are scared to open their mouths for fear of dismissal. Needs shutting down, dangerous set of ideologies there.

Did you say something bigoted and get kicked out?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 03:37:03 PM
Did you say something bigoted and get kicked out?

On the contrary, I was part of the leedsbid group and some of the horror stories from management and first hand experience would make your skin crawl. There's a safe space then there's so.ething tantamount to fascism. The horror stories are out there, just look in front of your nose.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 18, 2021, 03:50:40 PM
On the contrary, I was part of the leedsbid group and some of the horror stories from management and first hand experience would make your skin crawl. There's a safe space then there's so.ething tantamount to fascism. The horror stories are out there, just look in front of your nose.

Or, since you're the one throwing assertions around, how about you back them up?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 04:01:38 PM
I'm not casting any aspertions, I'm just saying as someone involved in that quarter of Leeds in the arts directly since Wharf was a thing, it's a place that can be construed as radical.


I'm not going into it here, too many advocates.

Whitelocks wins, though.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 18, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
I'm not casting any aspertions. 'm not going into it here

sounds like a sensb....

What chambers is an uber woke hole where even the staff are scared to open their mouths for fear of dismissal. Needs shutting down, dangerous set of ideologies there....I was part of the leedsbid group and some of the horror stories from management and first hand experience would make your skin crawl. There's a safe space then there's so.ething tantamount to fascism.

Oh
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Cuellar on August 18, 2021, 04:22:20 PM
On the contrary

You said something woke and got kicked in?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 04:23:04 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wharfabuseandracism.tumblr.com/post/170544367742/wharf-chambers-statement-response-abuse/amp   (https://www.google.com/amp/s/wharfabuseandracism.tumblr.com/post/170544367742/wharf-chambers-statement-response-abuse/amp)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Cuellar on August 18, 2021, 04:25:01 PM
Doesn't that say it's not woke enough (at all)?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 04:26:15 PM
It's a place of massive hypocrisy, ad hoc rule making and generally unpleasant. Cheap rum doesn't make up for the fact it's a place of contradiction.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: purlieu on August 18, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
Ye Olde Thirsty Pig in Maidstone. A rickety 15th century place, tiny bar room downstairs usually occupied by old blokes, a narrow wonky staircase up to a number of wonderful wooden beamed rooms upstairs, always had a good range of local cask ales on. It's also located on the wonderfully named Knightrider Street.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hGBLsqHT/thirstypig1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RrgMFrw/thirstypig2.jpg)


The Old Windmill in Coventry is another marvellous old pub. Quite a busy city pub, but incredibly cosy with a lot of friendly, chatty locals. Has a lot of rooms, including a tiny snug with enough space for about three people. My partner and I spent a lovely winter's afternoon there in front of the fire a couple of years ago, chatting to various people.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sDP05yHd/windmill1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GmcgQN6B/windmill2.jpg)


Obviously these involve visiting Maidstone and Coventry, which in itself isn't advised.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 18, 2021, 05:17:43 PM
I would like to nominate The Flying Pig, The Devonshire Arms, The Kingston Arms and The Free Press as worthy additions to the list of good Cambridge pubs.

There are no good pubs in Ely.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 06:15:30 PM
Bingley arms in Bardsey, acknowledged as the oldest pub in England. GREAT food, if a little waspy in summer and you get to look at priest holes. (Ooer)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on August 18, 2021, 06:16:36 PM
Lovely old pub, but I've never been impressed with the food or the beer.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 07:19:22 PM
Here are my thoughts on the better Leeds pubs (.. Well... scores! ):

Trying to just stick to pubs and pub adjacent (sorry Brownhill & Co) so no bars.

Whitelock’s    8.9
Cardigan Arms      8.7
Brudenell Social Club      8.5
The Banker’s Cat      8.1
Angel Inn   7.9
Kirkstall Bridge   7.9
Grove Inn   7.9
Arcadia   7.8
Duck & Drake   7.8
Wharf Chambers   7.7 (is it a pub though?)
The Chemic  7.7
Adelphi   7.6
Cross Keys   Leeds   7.5
Garden Gate   Leeds   7.5 (possibly closed for the time being)

Templar and The Ship miss out but they have a bit of charm.

The Grove could be a lot better if they ever heated the fucking place and put cushions in the snug. Note to owners: if I think it's cold and uncomfortable it definitely is. Also: Snug, clue is in the name.

Does show Leeds is much more of a bar than pub city as opposed to Sheffield (coming up)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 07:23:55 PM
Missed out the victoria behind the town hall (when open) easy a 9 at the right time of year, nudging Xmas. Superbly pretty saloon bar.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Darles Chickens on August 18, 2021, 07:27:00 PM
I would like to nominate The Flying Pig, The Devonshire Arms, The Kingston Arms and The Free Press as worthy additions to the list of good Cambridge pubs.

There are no good pubs in Ely.

Unfortunately the Flying Pig is DEAD SOON.  Landowner is set to demolish it in the autumn, because what Cambridge definitely needs is some 7 storey office blocks.

https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/craig-bennett-let-s-get-together-and-save-the-flying-pig-pu-9209999/
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 07:27:13 PM
Sheffield now:

Fagans   9.1
Blake Hotel    8.5
The Gardener’s Rest   8.5
The Red Deer   8.5
The Wellington   8.5
Shakespeare's    8.5
The Fat Cat   8.5
Sheaf View   8.5
White Lion   8.3
Brothers Arms   8.1
Rutland Arms   7.9   
Sheffield Tap    7.7    (until they sought the beer supply out)
Beer Engine   7.7
Bath Hotel   7.7
Cobden View. 7.6
Harlequin   7.6.    (considered not adding this on account of the unrepentant TERF landlady, choose wisely)
Hallamshire House   7.6

The Grapes and The Crow are in with a shout. Haven't been to the New Barrack, Broadfield or Sportsman but understand they're alright too. Greystones used to be. The Primrose wasn't too bad either. Oh god, The Closed Shop possibly just misses out but is decent.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 07:28:51 PM
Missed out the victoria behind the town hall (when open) easy a 9 at the right time of year, nudging Xmas. Superbly pretty saloon bar.

It's lovely yes, thanks for mentioning that. The main room is a beaut and it's the venue for plenty of post-pint pondering after town hall meetings for campaigners and politicians. Unfortunately I don't really like the churn of food and chain grind which drags it down a bit. I used to go there a lot when I lived on Clarendon Road.

You are right that late November when the nights visibly draw in and the decorations start going up is peak Victoria. If you get a booth with some good friends and compadres you're sorted for the evening.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Kankurette on August 18, 2021, 07:31:43 PM
Speaking of Holborn and pub cats, I'm a big fan of The Seven Stars. It's a cosy little place with old theatre posters everywhere and frequented by people who work at the Royal Courts of Justice around the corner, and also has a lovely pub cat that wears a ruff:

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/94/76/19/seven-stars.jpg)
I’ve seen plenty of pub dogs but not a pub cat. What a beauty!
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 18, 2021, 07:36:38 PM

You are right that late November when the nights visibly draw in and the decorations start going up is peak Victoria. If you get a booth with some good friends and compadres you're sorted for the evening.

Absolutely! Literally thinking the exact same thing!
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 07:37:33 PM
On the off-chance the CaB collective one day ventures 50 whole mins further than Cambridge to the superior city of Norwich then the Murderers, the Adam and Eve or the Fat Cat should feature.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 07:37:56 PM
I’ve seen plenty of pub dogs but not a pub cat. What a beauty!

You need to get yersen to Bag O Nails in Bristol, they've got about 6 in a small room including one who inhabits Oh Lord She Comin' class.

The Seven Stars cat with the white nose and white gloves is identical to my sister's cat Blimey and both are quite lovely, if utterly, utterly stupid.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: SpiderChrist on August 18, 2021, 07:41:17 PM
Unfortunately the Flying Pig is DEAD SOON.  Landowner is set to demolish it in the autumn, because what Cambridge definitely needs is some 7 storey office blocks.

https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/craig-bennett-let-s-get-together-and-save-the-flying-pig-pu-9209999/

Yeah. Proper shame. Mrs SpiderChrist used to work there. Nice pub, nice people, stitched up by developers and the council.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 18, 2021, 07:49:58 PM

Harlequin   7.6.    (considered not adding this on account of the unrepentant TERF landlady, choose wisely)


I was fuming when I found out about this because I really like the place but can't justify going when this is considered alongside the abundance of alternatives.

Any reason the Kelham Island Tavern doesn't feature? Too obvious?

For micropubs you now have The Itchy Pig and the Beer House, I prefer the former.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Mr Banlon on August 18, 2021, 07:51:01 PM
The Warrington in Maida Vale is a lovely old gin palace. Looks like it'd be a bugger to dust though.
(https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/17/9f/9b/b4/the-warrington-hotel.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1)
Started life as a brothel
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Darles Chickens on August 18, 2021, 07:52:53 PM
Yeah. Proper shame. Mrs SpiderChrist used to work there. Nice pub, nice people, stitched up by developers and the council.

Sound like the developers just lawyered the council on this one, as the council seemed to have a change of heart.

Haven't been in Cambridge since 2007, but the Pig was pretty much the main thing encouraging me to return for a visit one day.  Now the only thing that'll encourage me is to piss through Pace Investments' letterbox.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
Yeah there are loads of micropubs in Sheffield that I'm well behind going to but just get diverted. Most of my Sheffield friends aren't very adventurous.

University Arms and Kelham Island do deserve a mention but they don't quite tick the boxes for me to reach the 7.5 threshold. Uni Arms missing a room that has a great atmosphere and likewise Kelham great for beers but always found the overall environment fairly bland. There is a certain sniffy older crowd there too, I've found.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 07:54:17 PM
Hardly ever go out nowadays put places I like in Manchester include
The Pevril of the Peak
The Brtion's Protection
The Abel Heywood
Cain and Grain
Home
Used to like the (literal) toilet that was The Temple of Convenience but reckon I've not been in for 15 years.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 08:00:09 PM
The Peveril of The Peak featured in the OP.  I was last in Manchester a few years ago and it was thankfully unchanged.  I worked in a call centre across the road in the mid 90s and would, with a couple of compatriots, make the most of our morning 10 minute break by popping in for a pint which we’d have around 2 mins to consume, lovely mornings on the phones quite buzzy.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 08:01:02 PM
I went for a nostalgic visit to Temple in July, first time since Manchester CaB meet in 2009 and they've fucked with the interior and it has lost much of its.. charm...or...whatever that was. Getting beer served in plastic glasses even when you're inside isn't great either.

Pev seem to have realised that the best thing it could possibly do is not change a fucking bit. Wish many others could learn from that.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 08:12:30 PM
Also, from kalowski’s post The Briton’s Protection is such a gem it’s almost surreal.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 08:17:56 PM
Yeah I'd agree. The Castle Hotel deserves a mention alongside them.

As Briton's and Peveril are so close it's difficult to think of them other than as a pair.

I reckon The New Oxford is a nice enough newer pub in Manchester. Serious number of Belgian ales but the bench seating and the general vibe from the locals is good.
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Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 08:18:54 PM
Me and a couple of matee are hitting the Briton's soon as we want to hit the fabulous whiskey and whisky menu.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on August 18, 2021, 08:20:19 PM
Yeah I'd agree. The Castle Hotel deserves a mention alongside them.

As Briton's and Peveril are so close it's difficult to think of them other than as a pair.

I reckon The New Oxford is a nice enough newer pub in Manchester. Serious number of Belgian ales but the bench seating and the general vibe from the locals is good.
I don't remember the Castle Hotel, but I must have been. I have just been reminded of the fabulous Marble Arch on Rochdale Road.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
The Closed Shop was my local for years, absolute belter of a pub. If you could get that bay window seat in the front on the left of the door you were absolutely laughing.

Uni Arms had that greenhouse bit in it if I’m remembering the right place, that was a very unique little spot to drink in. Might have changed in the intervening decade and a half though…
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:22:39 PM
The Closed Shop was my local for years, absolute belter of a pub. If you could get that bay window seat in the front on the left of the door you were absolutely laughing.

Uni Arms had that greenhouse bit in it if I’m remembering the right place, that was a very unique little spot to drink in. Might have changed in the intervening decade and a half though…

Yes to both. Closed Shop used to take on too many ales on the pumps and not get through them. Sadly the awful pool table has gone and Stancill's refurb has slightly nudged the charm out of the place, albeit the beer is better.

Uni Arms greenhouse is bit exactly as you left it.

Maybe I am too harsh on both, but there's seriously stiff competition in Sheffield, and once they're admitted someone will pipe up with 'what about the Old Queen's Head'

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Post by: RetroRobot on August 18, 2021, 09:30:32 PM
On the contrary, I was part of the leedsbid group and some of the horror stories from management and first hand experience would make your skin crawl. There's a safe space then there's so.ething tantamount to fascism. The horror stories are out there, just look in front of your nose.

Never had a problem in there myself or seen it, but thanks for letting me know.

[Edited to be less arsey after a bit of googling. Seems to have been dealt with from what I've been told but no real way to back it up or go off hearsay. Still love the place mind, the one queer spot in Leeds I feel "right" in since more mainstream gay bars are very cis-gay man focused, which is fine too, but not for me.]
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 09:41:02 PM
General polite notice to cunts: it’d be beneficial if you’d mention the town / city / village you’re referring to, even a few posts ago.  I don’t know where Savile’s Retracted Foreskin is.

likely to be in Leeds.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 18, 2021, 09:45:01 PM
Not a great deal to say about sheffield micros tbh. You can expect decent quality ale and of course a good selection of craft cans, but few have yet to  really carve out a unique place. Ale club on Eccy Road is a very decent little place and really sad to discover just tonight that James (of very acceptable Cuckoo brewery The Brew Foundation), the owner (who was very young) died about a month ago. We treated him about two years ago and he was always a very public fundraiser for local cancer dep't. Cancer is an absolute bitch when it comes back
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: dr beat on August 18, 2021, 09:46:51 PM
Yes to both. Closed Shop used to take on too many ales on the pumps and not get through them. Sadly the awful pool table has gone and Stancill's refurb has slightly nudged the charm out of the place, albeit the beer is better.

Uni Arms greenhouse is bit exactly as you left it.

Maybe I am too harsh on both, but there's seriously stiff competition in Sheffield, and once they're admitted someone will pipe up with 'what about the Old Queen's Head'

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What's Broomhill/Crookes like for pubs these days?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 09:55:59 PM
What's Broomhill/Crookes like for pubs these days?

Crookes pubs haven't changed much. Ball still the Ball, Grindstone refitted and garish as fuck (wasn't great anyway, but leaving that aside), Cobden is pleasingly same as always thanks to Bods, Hallamshire is Thornbridge, smart, pricey but solid and dependable. Closed Shop is Stancill-run. Clean but slightly too disinfected with the charm almost gone. Punch Bowl still a shithole. Can't remember the rest. There's a new micro at the top of School Road.

I couldn't tell you about Broomhill. After Richie stopped doing the Sports Quiz at Notty House I've barely been back. As someone mentioned above, The York got a stylish yuppy refit in about 2012. Broomhill Tavern chugs on as ever.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 18, 2021, 10:04:33 PM
Edinburgh seems to have an abundance of great pubs

The Voodoo Rooms
The Cafe Royal
The Bow Bar
The Guildford Arms
The Captain's Bar
Bennet's Bar

That is just for starters.

Seriously jealous of the Edinburgh peeps on CAB

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 18, 2021, 10:05:42 PM
Cobden is pleasingly same as always thanks to Bods,

Some of my mates used to live the other side of the Cobden View and if they couldn't get a table would just take their pints through the gate at the end of the beer garden and over the road to their living room.  Basically heaven.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 10:10:43 PM
Bennets Bar, Edinburgh

Yep, that's going on the map. Thank you.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: dr beat on August 18, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
Yep, that's going on the map. Thank you.

Couple more to consider if you venture South: John Leslie's Bar and the Old Bell.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 18, 2021, 10:46:18 PM
Crookes pubs haven't changed much.

Is the Noah’s Ark still going? That’s a properly shit and racist pub, I’m hoping it’s gone bust.

Yep, that's going on the map. Thank you.

I suggested that you wazzock!

Edit: just checked my post, no I didn’t, who’s the wazzock now eh?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 18, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
Yep, that's going on the map. Thank you.

Might interest you

https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/best-bars-and-pubs-in-edinburgh (https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/best-bars-and-pubs-in-edinburgh)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 10:54:06 PM
Couple more to consider if you venture South: John Leslie's Bar and the Old Bell.

Cheers
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: steve98 on August 18, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Are there any cat-pubs yet? Like there are cat-cafes? I'd gladly visit a pub with lots of resident cats.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: steve98 on August 18, 2021, 10:59:05 PM
"Fuckin' service here's shite."

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: steve98 on August 18, 2021, 11:05:19 PM
Can't find any cat-cafes. but lookin' at "Cats in pubs," is a nice way to kill some time.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 18, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
Are there any cat-pubs yet? Like there are cat-cafes? I'd gladly visit a pub with lots of resident cats.

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Yep, upthread. Bag O Nails, Bristol.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: purlieu on August 18, 2021, 11:07:33 PM
The Chemic  7.7
Oh yes, always a favourite. It's so sad that The Bricklayers Arms went, it was an incredibly cosy pub in Woodhouse, all low ceilings and good beer and a totally comfortable mix of older locals and students. There's a block of flats in its place now and it's almost impossible to find pictures of the interior online.

The Victoria is another Leeds favourite of mine, it's the kind of pub I thought I'd be going to more often when living in a city, the kind of big, open place but with booths and corner tables to allow for some cosiness that is what a city pub should feel like.


Birmingham! The Wellington is a great city centre pub, always got five times as many appealing cask pumps than you can get through in an evening. Nice big main downstairs room with some smaller rooms upstairs, and the kind of place that feels totally right in the after-work buzz.
The Old Joint Stock is an old bank and a very fancy pub with a theatre in the building, complete with island bar and glass roof. It's not quite the sort of place I'd choose for a local, but it's got heaps of character and is really memorable.
The Post Office Vaults is a little downstairs pub which has a hint of dinginess and a ludicrously excessive European bottled beer menu (more than 300).
Was going to mention the Wagon & Horses but it appears it's closed and turned into a "beer, pizza and vinyl bar" called Dead Wax who offer craft beer from the likes of Beavertown and live music. A proper city boozer with an old fashioned rock fan clientele and incredibly cheap decent cask beer. I suppose Digbeth's gentrification was only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
A pub should ideally have a frank and fearless cat.  Just strides about like it owns the place.  Not sure about on the bar though.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on August 18, 2021, 11:23:31 PM
Oh yes, always a favourite. It's so sad that The Bricklayers Arms went, it was an incredibly cosy pub in Woodhouse, all low ceilings and good beer and a totally comfortable mix of older locals and students. There's a block of flats in its place now and it's almost impossible to find pictures of the interior online.

The only good thing about when I lived in Woodhouse was the Chemic being around the corner. The Brickies was an odd one, drank there occasionally but wouldn't have recommended it.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: steve98 on August 18, 2021, 11:34:19 PM
A pub should ideally have a frank and fearless cat.  Just strides about like it owns the place.  Not sure about on the bar[/i] though.

Depends. Certainly not, if they can't handle their drink.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 11:41:42 PM
Down with that.  ‘Pint for me and whatever the cat expects’
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: The Crumb on August 18, 2021, 11:41:58 PM
A pub should ideally have a frank and fearless cat.  Just strides about like it owns the place.  Not sure about on the bar though.

The Charlotte Despard in Archway has a 3 legged cat just like this. Nice pub, too.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 18, 2021, 11:43:50 PM
That’s cat porn frankly, put it away.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: idunnosomename on August 18, 2021, 11:54:08 PM
The Seven Stars has a great kitchen too, and really for London prices it's not bad at all. but the cat with the fuckin ruff. it can be rammed full of lawyers though, but it's still very civilised and some lovely casks. my fav round there was the Edgar Wallace. I mean if you like paying a fiver for a pint

it was quite funny when are graham was at the Fair Cop case at the Royal Courts they went to the Knights Templar Wetherspoons. i mean it's ok but you only go there when everything else has shut, unless you're a load of transphobic cunts
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: purlieu on August 19, 2021, 12:01:13 AM
I mean if you like paying a fiver for a pint
Pretty standard anywhere in the country these days, paid a fiver for a Punk IPA in my own small midlands town about three years ago, £5.50 for a Camden Hells in Birmingham last week. By London standards, that's really pretty good.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on August 19, 2021, 07:15:45 AM
Not drunk in London much but I really liked the Lamb on Conduit Street.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: mr. logic on August 19, 2021, 07:41:36 AM
Yay! This means I get to return to Moscow, wherein reside at least * three* Her Who Plays Milly/ Molotov Girl In That Film lookalikes! I might even get to have a beer with Mr. Logic (from CaB, not " Viz")!  :)

Shame about the getting killed thing, though :(

Nice one, lad. There’s a few good’uns in Moscow. Had a pleasant month or so alternating the Euros between Sous Sol, Pig and Clover, and Liga Pap.

Shoulders, how’s your Newcastle list looking?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: seepage on August 19, 2021, 07:53:55 AM
The Vine, on Dove Street, just off Pottergate.

Thanks, but I remember it being even smaller than that and at the end of a block, maybe on St. Benedicts, but I'm probably misremembering.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 08:11:05 AM
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Shoulders, how’s your Newcastle list looking?

Crap. Need to explore more. Really enjoyed Free Trade & Crown Posada.

Bodega was ok. Kind of puzzling as the raw materials are all great so not sure why it didn't all feel right somehow.

That slightly craft beer focused pub near the bridge (edit: Redhouse!) which I went to for the CaB meet was ok, though I wouldn't go over the top about it. The furniture in the nice cellar backroom doesn't quite work and it feels like an overflow area whereas that should be the best bit.

Need to get to Town Mouse, Cumberland, Heaton Tap & The Schooner in Gateshead, according to my map. Oh and The Carriage looks alright if a bit foody.

A bit like Leeds there are also good bars (Mean Eyed Cat was one) which I wouldn't really call pubs as such and lots of ok but interchangeable 6 or 7/10 city pubs.



Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 19, 2021, 08:22:52 AM
Admittedly, I used to go there for the architecture as much as anything, but The Bear and Billet is one of those nice old Chester pubs in a rickety-looking half-timbered building. It's just down the road from the similarly lovely Falcon.

A nice - and really tiny - one in Liverpool is The Belvedere, which is up by the cathedrals. It was one of my favourite pubs in my university days, but I'd always get there too late in the evening when it was already full and would head on to The Pilgrim, The Fly in the Loaf or The Phil instead. The Grapes is in the same part of town and is great too.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 08:25:44 AM
The Bear and Billet had turned into a quite upscale gastro place when I was there in April. Fabulous building though. Not sure if the Falcon has reopened yet (Sam Smiths).

Chester has an absurd density of pubs even by normal English city centre standards.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 19, 2021, 08:33:17 AM
The Bear and Billet had turned into a quite upscale gastro place when I was there in April. Fabulous building though. Not sure if the Falcon has reopened yet (Sam Smiths).

Chester has an absurd density of pubs even by normal English city centre standards.

It's a few years since I've been in the Bear and Billet, I didn't know that!

Speaking of Sam Smiths, there's another one in Chester but I can't remember which and feel like I need to offer a warning!

Up the River Dee in Llangollen, there's the Corn Mill, which offered some really nice beers last time I was there and also has the benefit of great views on the terrace and a lovely interior.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 09:08:13 AM
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Speaking of Sam Smiths, there's another one in Chester but I can't remember which and feel like I need to offer a warning!

The Old Boot on the Rows. That is annoyingly quite nice too, very quirky due to the location.

Corn Mill inside looks like somewhere to take your old folks for Sunday lunch, but nice stone building and the views do look stunning.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 19, 2021, 09:23:34 AM
Corn Mill is very much a daytime pub rather than somewhere you'd spend an evening in. The people who own it also own the Pant yr Ochain near Wrexham, which is where I go for Sunday lunch with my family when I'm back home, so it does also have that vibe.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 09:55:48 AM
We should probably get on to Dublin pubs at some point even though it'll be a really long list.

Despite 3 visits I've not really covered as much as I'd like, but I'll start with ones I've been to then ones I have down to visit.

Visited (and rated)

Grogans
Mulligans
Dawson Lounge (well, i liked it!)
McNeills
Briody's (gloriously normal, low-key and local given the location)
Stags Head (wasn't wowed but it was pretty decent)
Gin Palace

Down to visit:

Toners
Doheny & Nesbit
O'Donoghues
The Confession Box
Bowes
Kehoes
Mary's Bar & Hardware
Swan Bar
Lord Edward
Long Hall (probably overly touristy)
Darkey Kelleys
The Capstan Bar
Frank Ryan's (Smithfield)
The Cobblestone (Smithfield)
Walshs (Stoneybatter)
The Glimmer Man (Stoneybatter)
Gaffney's (Fairview)
John Kavanagh (Glasnevin)
Martin Slattery (Rathmines)

Please tell me where to go to not be stabbed or have an other form of shit time. Also further suggestions not on this list (not Madigans)?



Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on August 19, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
Any decent pubs or bars in Hull? I'm going soon.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 10:20:37 AM
Any decent pubs or bars in Hull? I'm going soon.

Very much so. Depends what sort of thing you like but the old town has several extremely good historic classic English pubs. Referring to my list:

Ye Olde Black Boy   Hull   8.8
Lion & Key   Hull   8.7
Fretwell’s   Hull   8.7
WM Hawkes   Hull   8.6
Ye Olde White Harte   Hull   8.5
The Whalebone   Hull   7.9
Hop & Vine   Hull   7.9
Ye Olde Blue Bell   Hull   7.6 (Sam Smiths tho)

The Minerva is also a good choice with river views and 'the smallest snug room in the country'. I find some of the interior very drab and the food smell and noise spoils it, but some people love it.

Bonny Boat, Old English Gentleman and The George are OK backups. Vintage Bar is pubby enough to count as well.

The Punch Hotel and Empress in the centre look really, really nice from the outside but I wouldn't recommend either, sadly, and not even for prissy reasons. They're drab and sometimes a bit grim.

If you are solely after the best drinks and not fussed about owt else then Corn Exchange/Atom Brewing, BREW, Hop&Vine, 80daysbierhaus, Vittles & Co, Taphouse, Head of Steam.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 10:21:28 AM
Edit, dp cunt
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 19, 2021, 10:31:47 AM
We should probably get on to Dublin pubs at some point even though it'll be a really long list.

Despite 3 visits I've not really covered as much as I'd like, but I'll start with ones I've been to then ones I have down to visit.

Visited (and rated)

Grogans
Mulligans
Dawson Lounge (well, i liked it!)
McNeills
Briody's (gloriously normal, low-key and local given the location)
Stags Head (wasn't wowed but it was pretty decent)
Gin Palace

Down to visit:

Toners
Doheny & Nesbit
O'Donoghues
The Confession Box
Bowes
Kehoes
Mary's Bar & Hardware
Swan Bar
Lord Edward
Long Hall (probably overly touristy)
Darkey Kelleys
The Capstan Bar
Frank Ryan's (Smithfield)
The Cobblestone (Smithfield)
Walshs (Stoneybatter)
The Glimmer Man (Stoneybatter)
Gaffney's (Fairview)
John Kavanagh (Glasnevin)
Martin Slattery (Rathmines)

Please tell me where to go to not be stabbed or have an other form of shit time. Also further suggestions not on this list (not Madigans)?





I think you've hit all the best ones here. The Bleeding Horse has a great whiskey selection, to the extent that I'd go there purely for that, but it's not great otherwise. I like O'Neills near the Molly Malone statue, but I'm not sure if it has reopened and it can be too touristy at times, especially when they're serving food. The snug is nice though. Kennedy's on Westland Row is nice; it's a bit of a Trinity College pub and can also be quite touristy depending on when you go. I spent enough time there during my Masters that when I brought my family there afterwards, the staff recognised me, which was quite nice but also embarrassing.

If you're going to Stoneybatter, Brennan's is a nice pub in Phibsboro which is just next door. There's a nice atmosphere and some good whiskeys, as well as a nice little smoking area that's good for a sunny day.

Blackbird in Rathmines is nice but it's years since I've been there.

The Gravediggers by Glasnevin Cemetery is highly regarded but I've never actually been there, as I live on the Southside and it's just outside my radius.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 19, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
Forget Dublin and them highfalutin Guinness drinking types Southwest coast of Éire is where you want to be;

Maccarthy's in Castletownbere

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O'Neil's and The Lighthouse in Allihies (Where the fam is from I can walk to these from my grandads house when I'm over there)

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Ma Murphys, Bantry

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O'Sullivans, Crookhaven (the most southerly pint in Éire)

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 10:58:40 AM
Ah, looks like John Kavanagh I listed is a.k.a The Gravediggers!

Brennan's down as Permanently Closed (though may just be Covid and not properly updated)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 11:08:34 AM
Definitely adding Ma Murphys and Maccarthys to my list, cheers Trenter...
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shagatha crustie on August 19, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Not seen that pub next to the City Varieties in Leeds mentioned, unless I've missed something - the Swan is it? Not been in there for a few years but I remember it having a nice atmosphere/layout. Possibly horrendously pricey though.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 19, 2021, 12:30:38 PM
Very much so. Depends what sort of thing you like but the old town has several extremely good historic classic English pubs. Referring to my list:

Ye Olde Black Boy   Hull   8.8
Lion & Key   Hull   8.7

WM Hawkes   Hull   8.6


The Minerva is also a good choice with river views and 'the smallest snug room in the country'. I find some of the interior very drab and the food smell and noise spoils it, but some people love

I think the three mentioned above are all now owned by the cats head brewery so their ales are general found nowhere else, sosme decent stiff in there, when I lived there for a bit I'd be guaranteed a new brew a week in the L&K.

Minerva you have a point on, I like the snug and the table looking out toward the Dock. Wrote many a funding application in there on a cold wet winters afternoon..
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 19, 2021, 12:31:46 PM
Not seen that pub next to the City Varieties in Leeds mentioned, unless I've missed something - the Swan is it? Not been in there for a few years but I remember it having a nice atmosphere/layout. Possibly horrendously pricey though.

White Swan yeah, was OK, Spenny though, tends to have a 50/50 clientele, locals and and people shopping from out of town/show goers.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 19, 2021, 12:42:49 PM
Ah, looks like John Kavanagh I listed is a.k.a The Gravediggers!

Brennan's down as Permanently Closed (though may just be Covid and not properly updated)

Shit, I hope not! It's still closed as far as I know. A lot of pubs here were closed for over a year, so it was sadly inevitable that some wouldn't reopen.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on August 19, 2021, 12:57:39 PM
Very much so. Depends what sort of thing you like but the old town has several extremely good historic classic English pubs. Referring to my list:

Ye Olde Black Boy   Hull   8.8
Lion & Key   Hull   8.7
Fretwell’s   Hull   8.7
WM Hawkes   Hull   8.6
Ye Olde White Harte   Hull   8.5
The Whalebone   Hull   7.9
Hop & Vine   Hull   7.9
Ye Olde Blue Bell   Hull   7.6 (Sam Smiths tho)

The Minerva is also a good choice with river views and 'the smallest snug room in the country'. I find some of the interior very drab and the food smell and noise spoils it, but some people love it.

Bonny Boat, Old English Gentleman and The George are OK backups. Vintage Bar is pubby enough to count as well.

The Punch Hotel and Empress in the centre look really, really nice from the outside but I wouldn't recommend either, sadly, and not even for prissy reasons. They're drab and sometimes a bit grim.

If you are solely after the best drinks and not fussed about owt else then Corn Exchange/Atom Brewing, BREW, Hop&Vine, 80daysbierhaus, Vittles & Co, Taphouse, Head of Steam.
Ah, superb. Thanks.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on August 19, 2021, 01:22:16 PM
What does everyone look for in a good pub? What's the thing that makes you happy the moment you walk into one?

There are so many variables, some people love to view pubs as stepping back in time, all that Witcher 3 type shit, others like interesting decor or views or unpretentious and cosy etc. and yet when I think of the favourite pubs I've ever been to I find it hard to piece together a pattern, it usually comes down to the circumstances and an indefinable 'mood'.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: stonkers on August 19, 2021, 01:39:19 PM
Shoulders, if you ever make it to Glasgow, a short list of city centre pubs worth visiting:
- The Pot Still (small yet contains an unbelievable amount of whiskies)
- The Bon Accord (like a bigger version of the Pot Still, though probably same amount of whiskies! Weird location tho)
- The Scotia (oldest pub in Glasgow, chain-owned but characterful)
- The Horseshoe (similar to the above, right by Central station)
- The State (regular winner of best pub by CAMRA)
- The Laurieston (untouched since the 60s, best pub in the world imo)

There's lots of bars in the Merchant City (Blackfriars, the Babbity Bowster) but none of them stand out as a "must-see" in my view. No doubt others might contribute West End suggestions but I would defer to their knowledge (and make that a separate day).

I'd second all these city centre recommendations, Bon Accord and State in particular.

I was about to say that I think the west end is a bit weaker than other parts of town for pubs, but when thinking about it there are a few decent ones, especially if you allow a wide definition of "west end". Inn Deep has your craft ale stuff, The Belle just up from that is a nice wee pub and does Anchor Steam on tap. You've got The Hug and Pint and whatever the Squid and Whale is called now if you want more hipstery places. You've got The Lismore and Sci-Fi Steven's The Sparkle Horse down in Partick.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 19, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
What does everyone look for in a good pub? What's the thing that makes you happy the moment you walk into one?

There are so many variables, some people love to view pubs as stepping back in time, all that Witcher 3 type shit, others like interesting decor or views or unpretentious and cosy etc. and yet when I think of the favourite pubs I've ever been to I find it hard to piece together a pattern, it usually comes down to the circumstances and an indefinable 'mood'.

Cosy
Good beer that is well looked after
Friendly Staff

This is one of the pubs that usually wins pub of the year in Birmingham (been going there since I was old enough to drink); it prides itself on great beer and has it's own beer festivals 3-4 times a year.  Wonderful place (with a Bar Cat).  It's in the depth of Balsall Heath which is one of the poorest districts in the City (6th) and the 79th most deprived ward in England which means a lot of well to do types are put off.  Their loss; wonderful community and people round those parts.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3950/15004289813_343620033b_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 19, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
What does everyone look for in a good pub? What's the thing that makes you happy the moment you walk into one?

A non curated playlist (ie  no pub company generic shit)
At least one fireplace blasting vibes into the room
Dark wood, mirrors and brass
A larger offering of ale than lager
Dog friendly
Regular staff (high turnover is a bad sign)
A mixed demographic of locals/workers/students/camra cunts.
60 percent full around 7pm

Specific I know but I like to hear my laughter muted and not right next to my face unless it's within my party.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 02:27:43 PM
Not seen that pub next to the City Varieties in Leeds mentioned, unless I've missed something - the Swan is it? Not been in there for a few years but I remember it having a nice atmosphere/layout. Possibly horrendously pricey though.

I think Leeds Brewery owned it and sometime in the late 00s it had a refurb and slightly took the charm out of it. Pretty grey and cookie cutter now but I agree it has potential due to the layoit. I would only ever go now if it was for a pre-theatre drink, even then there are about 10 better venues within 5 minutes walk so it would be a quite pointed choice.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 19, 2021, 02:47:42 PM
Great fun on a pub crawl. Your round in The Angel is £12 and their round in The Swan is £30
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
What does everyone look for in a good pub? What's the thing that makes you happy the moment you walk into one?

There are so many variables, some people love to view pubs as stepping back in time, all that Witcher 3 type shit, others like interesting decor or views or unpretentious and cosy etc. and yet when I think of the favourite pubs I've ever been to I find it hard to piece together a pattern, it usually comes down to the circumstances and an indefinable 'mood'.

I suppose all the different types of pubs in my opening post offer a certain something that appeals to me and if they are lacking in one area there's opportunity to make it up in another. On my guide (no plugging) I split it up by A: Choice/quality of drinks, B: Style/Decor, C: Character and Atmosphere, D: Amenities/Events and E: Value for Money. The overall verdict is really a mixture of those.

However, as you say, there is genius loci, the spirit of a place that can elevate it. Sometimes you can sense it from the moment you walk in, others you have to visit a few times in different seasons and times of day so it makes sense.

I've said it before but I'd be happy sitting in a pub that did 1 drink only so long as every other aspect of the place was knockout fantastic. I have done plenty of times abroad, in fact. Likewise I have been to pubs which had every drink under the sun that I'd have happily walked out of and never come back, due to them being badly designed, uncomfortable, poor value and badly run.

I particularly look for distinctive places that have a clear uncommonly singular identity, and even better if they have a personal touch (even something simple like handwritten blackboards rather than generic signage). It can be easier for historic pubs that haven't been refurbished to offer this because wood ages so spectacularly, and in the case of Victorian/Edwardian pubs, craftsmanship is so far beyond the money and effort spent on pubs today.

But the decor is no guarantee of a good pub. There are a lot of Holts pubs in Manchester that have preserved features but are drab, bordering on rough, badly run and in neighbourhoods that are simply disinterested in those sort of venues, and often they are jarringly turned into the thing they were never meant to be or left to rot. The Cardigan Arms in Leeds was a fucking dump for years thanks to the neglectful Pubco hiring the most desperate tenants and no-one with any vision or any ability to do anything to improve it - until Kirkstall Brewery stepped in.

To try and summarise:

- Intimacy and/or comfort, what the Dutch call gezellig
- Sense of welcome that, along with the above point, generates some sense of belonging.
- Personal touches, no generic signage, and unique or distinctive features
- Good drinks are important, excellent ones are a bonus but not essential
- A community vibe so local life if its a neighbourhood pub or creating an environment where strangers start mixing and socialising together if its a busy city pub
- A sense of history and legacy certainly doesn't hurt but not essential
- Friendly service not essential but definitely a tick in the box
- Some efforts to hold events and provide amenities only so long as that fits with the pubs profile
- Food is not relevant to why I go to the pub. If it happens to do food and that doesn't detract from the experience in any way, good, that can be convenient.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shagatha crustie on August 19, 2021, 03:23:01 PM
They're student pubs really but I still find a lot to love in the Packhorse and Fenton near Leeds uni too. Like the Brude, a good mix of students and locals, younguns and olds. Jukeboxes, friendly staff, comfy interiors, bit grotty in a good way. The Packhorse however seems to permanently smell of cleaning products which is a bit off-putting.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 19, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
The Packhorse however seems to permanently smell of cleaning products which is a bit off-putting.

That could have been my mate shitting himself on one Saturday afternoon due to a 3 day bender and too much wizz. Never seen a pool of shit before.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on August 19, 2021, 03:31:00 PM
I moved to Leeds in 1997 and the Packhorse stank then.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 19, 2021, 03:40:12 PM
- Intimacy and/or comfort, what the Dutch call gezellig
- Sense of welcome that, along with the above point, generates some sense of belonging.
- Personal touches, no generic signage, and unique or distinctive features
- Good drinks are important, excellent ones are a bonus but not essential
- A community vibe so local life if its a neighbourhood pub or creating an environment where strangers start mixing and socialising together if its a busy city pub
- A sense of history and legacy certainly doesn't hurt but not essential
- Friendly service not essential but definitely a tick in the box
- Some efforts to hold events and provide amenities only so long as that fits with the pubs profile
- Food is not relevant to why I go to the pub. If it happens to do food and that doesn't detract from the experience in any way, good, that can be convenient.

Good list.  I would say you are underestimating the importance of friendly service.  When you walk into a pub you want to feel welcomed and safe; I've got great respect for publicans that see pubs as the community spaces that they are; unfriendly service is usually indicative of poor management of staff.  You are seeing this a lot out in some of the country pubs in the posher parts of the West Midlands now with rich Landlords hiring a load of young staff who don't seem like they want to be there; they run the place like it's a status symbol for them (with in some cases all the lecherous concerns of midlife crisis men hiring and being "in control" of usually quite young and attractive female waiting staff).  These places generally have high turnovers of staff and despite them seemingly buying the pub as their investment, the running of it seems to irk them.  Sadly seen this quite a bit recently in what are structurally gorgeous pubs.

Landlords should be a good manager to their staff; friendly and welcoming to their patrons whilst ready to turf out anyone that wants to deviate from the unspoken rule of being in a pub (i.e. don't be a cockend); they (or the bar manager) set the heartbeat of the pub.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 19, 2021, 04:11:31 PM
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Good list.  I would say you are underestimating the importance of friendly service. 

My post is very subjective and clearly a personal view. I wasn't and am not speaking for others on their preferences. I am certainly not underestimating it for myself, as I already know to what extent I feel it to be significant to my overall impression of a pub.

I think friendly service can go a long way to elevate an average pub and can be a key defining feature in those cases, but by contrast, an absence of friendliness, let's say neutral, business-like or slightly off service does nothing - for me - to harm an already good pub.

In Czechia the service is famously minimalist bordering on brusque to everyone who isn't a die hard regular, but it is also a very formal society (cheers Austria). There is even a change of language associated with moving from 'dobry den' (Good day) to 'ahoj' (Hey) that is indistinct and relies on effectively two people reciprocating almost simultaneously that threshold has been passed. Quite odd. I haven't reached that with anyone out there yet but there are little signs you get at pubs, there is a certain pride of getting on nodding terms with normally mute grumpy faced tapsters and they regard people who can give instructions for another drink voicelessly, just by glancing at each other and giving a little nod as speaking their language. The respect shown is microscopic in deed but meaningful in intent. I rather like that. Problematic service in England is hugely rare and by contrast a doddle to deal with, perhaps that's partly why I'm not as arsed.

I am at ease with the idea that some people consider their pub their house where they are the master and I am at their whim, while also happily receiving the cheerful service you find in cities like Amsterdam and Dublin.

Unless I am actually conversing and socialising with the staff this is a really quite minor element that will occupy less than a few % of your overall time while in a pub.

It is certainly not my intention to say what other people should feel on the subject and this post isn't intended to bring that into contention or invite argument, if you're wondering. It's simply my preferences and experiences laid on the table.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 19, 2021, 04:28:28 PM
Of course we are all here to speak for our own brains; I think we are talking about different things really though; I don't want service with a smile and all that American guff making the customers feel like a king.  I mean general ambience, relaxed and friendly.  Moody bar staff or people ill equipped socially in dealing with people can detract from the experience easily; making patrons feel anxious.  On the continent I've been to some right moody places; in France mainly, where bar staff have delighted in making you feel unwelcome "for not learning the language" or struggling with things; we laugh at this when it's brits abroad because we all know the typical louts on booze Britains but I be enraged if I saw bar staff belittling a customer for not being able to pronounce something in English (thankfully rare a sight but it happens).

You can be conspicuously silent and still give a nice aura; I'm not suggesting Uncle Moe's Family Feedbag.

For cultural reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkrZAo7U-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkrZAo7U-Q)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 19, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
Reading this thread brings up some of the living cities vs corpse town stuff that's been politically relevant lately.  Following a League Two club away I like to get a pint or two somewhere nice if I can. In Nottingham or Liverpool this is easy enough, but heading out to the Oldhams and Scunthorpes of this world without local knowledge and a clutch of positive Internet reviews for places long since gone to shit or turned into private housing is tough.

There is a sense of achievement in finding a half decent boozer in Crewe or Burslem, but there's probably a good reason most of the posts here are about city or country.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 19, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
Pubs can be misleading. My local isn't a pub, but as an example: It's a gin bar, often it's wine o clock for hallam lecturers and hairdressers. And it's heavily tilted to Beavertown Boys as craft goes. It would set alarm bells off all over the show at a glance. But the simple fact of having a deep, U shaped bar that imposes itself means that it is communal in a way that 9/10 pubs/bars are not. Last night there were 6 of us sat at the bar, 4 bald, sad cunts and the landlord and a friend. I was chatting to the landlord about Bob Mortimer and neither of us could remember the 'I do beg your pardon, but we are in your garden' game. After what must have been a painful 3 minutes of watching drunk bald sad cunts fail to remember Bob Mortimer anecdotes, a guy along the bar started saying it 'we do beg your pardon...'. and so he joined the conversation. Probley next time I see him I'll learn a bit more about him. That isn't an unusual thing to happen, it's happened in there time and again and it's how I know many of the locals, and in particular local traders along the street. The Thornbridge pub opposite is almost completely desolate of this kind of community and locals. It helps that everything else the bar does is acceptable but the simple fact of the shape and dimensions of the bar itself means that people can interact. It's that Cheers-esque thing that would put it above many pubs that do any number of things better
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Janie Jones on August 19, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
… heading out to the Oldhams and Scunthorpes of this world without local knowledge and a clutch of positive Internet reviews for places long since gone to shit or turned into private housing is tough.



Ha, in the old days we used to use the latest CAMRA good beer guide which was out of date the moment it hit the bookshelves really. Hence we found ourselves locked down in a side room by the landlady while some locals fought in the main bar in a pub in the outskirts of Durham that was supposed to have 4 hand pumps etc but ‘that was the other fella, he left 9 months ago, we don’t bother with that stuff now.’
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 19, 2021, 05:04:40 PM
Ha, in the old days we used to use the latest CAMRA good beer guide which was out of date the moment it hit the bookshelves really. Hence we found ourselves locked down in a side room by the landlady while some locals fought in the main bar in a pub in the outskirts of Durham that was supposed to have 4 hand pumps etc but ‘that was the other fella, he left 9 months ago, we don’t bother with that stuff now.’

That reminds me, the Gardeners Rest in Sheffield has (had?) a big library of Good Beer Guides going back to the early 80s, you can have a brilliant time in a sunny day in the beer garden reading the decline and occasional rebirth of the British pub town by town.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on August 19, 2021, 07:39:09 PM

Shoulders, if you ever make it to Glasgow, a short list of city centre pubs worth visiting:
- The Pot Still (small yet contains an unbelievable amount of whiskies)
- The Bon Accord (like a bigger version of the Pot Still, though probably same amount of whiskies! Weird location tho)
- The Scotia (oldest pub in Glasgow, chain-owned but characterful)
- The Horseshoe (similar to the above, right by Central station)
- The State (regular winner of best pub by CAMRA)
- The Laurieston (untouched since the 60s, best pub in the world imo)

There's lots of bars in the Merchant City (Blackfriars, the Babbity Bowster) but none of them stand out as a "must-see" in my view. No doubt others might contribute West End suggestions but I would defer to their knowledge (and make that a separate day).

South of the river, The Allison Arms is also worth a visit.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 19, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
There is a sense of achievement in finding a half decent boozer in Crewe or Burslem, but there's probably a good reason most of the posts here are about city or country.

Burslem is great for pubs. Well served by the Titanic Brewery. Imagine having to find something near those dirty shitlords near the incinerator down the road.

Best pub I've been to on my away travels is probably The Baum in Rochdale. Last time I went there the game was called off due to heavy rain but Lisa Stansfield was at the bar so swings and roundabouts. Never thought a swing (or roundabout) would be Lisa Stansfield but there you go.

There's a good pub in Bury on the platform for the East Lancs railway but I guess it 'll be a while before I (or the quoted poster) have cause to visit there.

Also, Stalybridge Buffet Bar. Even though I was living in Manchester, I was a season ticket holder at Stalybridge Celtic for a season, purely because I liked the idea of having an excuse to visit the buffet bar every couple of weeks. Think it's a bit out of the way for a meet but would be a brill venue for one.

(https://www.yorkshire.com/media/26857/pub-desc-stalybridge.jpg)

Look at that fire. You'd be praying for a missed connection if it meant an extra hour in there. Free cheesey crumpets on a Tuesday night, Laurel & Hardy films in the backroom (shown on an actual film projector) once a month and a folk singaround every Saturday. Black peas 40p a pot and pie and peas about £1.50. Not been there for a while and Saturday nights became a bit horrible when stag-types started doing booze trails from Huddersfield but still one of my favourite places on the planet. One of those places where you can just walk in to it and it feels like you're home.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 19, 2021, 09:37:50 PM
Stockbridge Tap!

That’s the fucker I couldn’t think of. Very welcome stop after walking the water of Leith and seeing the (frankly mad) Dean Village and the art gallery.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Blinder Data on August 19, 2021, 09:50:49 PM
Stockbridge Tap!

That’s the fucker I couldn’t think of. Very welcome stop after walking the water of Leith and seeing the (frankly mad) Dean Village and the art gallery.

did you forget it twice?

...

Stockbridge Tap is a must! How quickly we (I) forget. That is still my favourite bit of any city anywhere - that part of Edinburgh is the only bit of the UK I’d consider moving back to because it is so lovely.

...
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 19, 2021, 09:53:01 PM
State of my recommendations. Should be hanging up the posting gloves here.

Christ.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on August 19, 2021, 09:57:04 PM
Burslem is great for pubs. Well served by the Titanic Brewery. Imagine having to find something near those dirty shitlords near the incinerator down the road.

I've only been to the Bulls Head and the micro opposite, any others I should try?

I managed to fit in an hour at the Stalybridge Buffet in between Oldham away and a party in York via two buses, need to eventually go back and do the Huddersfield ale trail thing.
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Post by: Noodle Lizard on August 20, 2021, 01:29:48 AM
The Swan Inn in Liverpool. A fair-to-middling city center pub with an above-average beer selection, good music and the opportunity to run into Jeff Walker or Bill Steer of Carcass fame.

The King Street Run in Cambridge wasn't bad for similar reasons (sans Jeff Walker and Bill Steer of Carcass fame).

One of the few things I genuinely miss about the UK are good old pubs with beer gardens, preferably by a river. Some days I spend the whole day missing those.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: SweetPomPom on August 20, 2021, 01:58:35 AM
They're student pubs really but I still find a lot to love in the Packhorse and Fenton near Leeds uni too. Like the Brude, a good mix of students and locals, younguns and olds. Jukeboxes, friendly staff, comfy interiors, bit grotty in a good way. The Packhorse however seems to permanently smell of cleaning products which is a bit off-putting.

It was a Scream bar last I was there but I never failed to have a good time in the Drydock before gigs at the Poly or Uni. Thumbs up for the Fenton too. Not sure why the Angel is also in Rough as Fuck pubs, always been alright when I've been there.
The Station is always a mare at the end of the night..
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 07:45:10 AM
Stalybridge Buffet Bar is on my to do list, looks fantastic.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
Speaking of riverside pubs:

The George Inn, Hubberholme
https://maps.app.goo.gl/d3utwP2sr1yUc5X4A

Triple header of old stone church and graveyard, river with old stone bridge and roaring fire.

Mother Shipton Inn, Knaresborough
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bZ4ehvJFoEKVjmL87

Similarly well sorted for all seasons. Table opposite the bar by the fire is cosy as fuck in winter. Decking outside is well done and covid gave them the chance to make further improvements.

The Mayflower, London
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FWNK3zB1ut6Z6caD9

It rarely gets better than this place.

The Cover Bridge Inn, East Witton,
https://maps.app.goo.gl/t32DqgpoinkrwFde6

Another picturesque idyllic riverside Yorkshire pub that's been left unfucked with and unspoilt.

The Camp House Inn, River Severn
https://maps.app.goo.gl/eBsScfHhQJ6pgJAC7

Out in the middle of nowhere, amazing beer garden that passes directly onto the Severn with geese and peacocks mulling about, passing barges... the inside is also unspoilt, as cosy as you can get.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 20, 2021, 08:40:36 AM
Stalybridge Buffet Bar is on my to do list, looks fantastic.

It's great. There's also a ghost train between Stalybridge and Stockport, but unfortunately its run to and fro is between about half eight and ten in the morning, leaving you stranded in Stalyvegas with two hours until the Buffet Bar opens

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockport%E2%80%93Stalybridge_line
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Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on August 20, 2021, 09:12:37 AM
Hand in Hand in Brighton is wonderful. best nook. the cosiest. entirely unpretentious and fair priced (for the area)

(https://i.imgur.com/IXwmiyX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dhoAJlg.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ms9HxP2.png)
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 09:27:05 AM
That looks a beaut. Fantastic, that's the kind of thing I was sort of hoping for here. Wasn't aware of its existence. Sometimes those places slip the net.
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Post by: shagatha crustie on August 20, 2021, 10:08:45 AM
That does look gorgeous! I'm supposedly visiting Brighton soon so will seek that out for sure.
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Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on August 20, 2021, 10:32:57 AM
if you're planning on doing brighton here's my picks for youse

1. Hand in Hand - obvs. it's like being in a lovely living room. got a tiny brewery and big variety. owner is lovely

2. Brighton Beer Dispensary - a teeeeny bit less homely than the hand, but a nice crafty beer place with conservatory and nice vibe full of old wood fixtures

(https://i.imgur.com/JiDa30t.png)(https://i.imgur.com/qeH9fjn.png)

3. Black Dove - decent selection and also nice cocktails if that's sometimes your thing. gets points for me because i'm a big fan of the lighting and decor. absolutely avoid the street it's on on weekends tho

(https://i.imgur.com/TBVghni.png)(https://i.imgur.com/s33Zv3v.png)

4. Prince Albert - it's probably the nicest place close to the station. got a lot of fondness for the amount of shows i've seen upstairs over the years, but it's generally a good place. certainly flashy paint job they've had more recently. resembles more of a country pub on the inside and there's honestly hardly any pubs left in town that actually look lived in

(https://i.imgur.com/mvTsZ93.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/sqOOR6D.png)

5. The Foundry - probably the nicest pub in north laine which is the wanky twee part of town. it's one of the only few which hasn't got a heavily sterilised and chromatic feeling like the newer ones which more closely resemble shoreditch coffee shops. it's dank

(https://i.imgur.com/FIjT1pT.png)(https://i.imgur.com/y60vsSV.png)

other good ones are probably Haus on the Hill and its sister Free Haus down the road, Jolly Brewer, Basketmakers, Shakespears, Great Eastern, Battle of Trafalgar and some other ones. try The Bugle for a proper throw-back where literally everyone knows each other if you're brave, but probably don't do this

definitely check if they're all still running
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Post by: pancreas on August 20, 2021, 11:31:18 AM
Bodega was ok. Kind of puzzling as the raw materials are all great so not sure why it didn't all feel right somehow.

Fruit machines.

You can add in The Wobbly Duck, Bridge Tavern. There are loads of new pubs in Whitley Bay of all places which need to be tried.
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Post by: Smeraldina Rima on August 20, 2021, 12:34:51 PM
I wasn't planning on going to Brighton but am dead keen now. Thanks for putting those photos up.

Entering the Birmingham and Black Country chat (with other people's pictures):

Happy to see that The Flapper is coming back from the dead. It's nothing special for beer lovers but it's a lovely canalside pub with 95% children's gigs downstairs (Acid Mothers Temple played once though). The Hare and Hounds (similar to The Flapper for middle-aged music fans) has the pub downstairs and two gig rooms upstairs. For an expensive but good range of beers and vegan cakes/fry ups then you can go to the nice two storey cafe pub, Cherry Reds near to New Street station. From the top there's a view of the Brewdog over the road. That's a good area with The Victoria and The Craven Arms (apparently now not as adventurous for its beer as before) nearby. I like The Anchor in Digbeth, whose new owner has kept the place pretty similar to before but might be part of the gentrification of Digbeth that people have been talking about. And The Spotted Dog, an Irish pub which at least used to have Irish music and film nights.

(https://i.imgur.com/o8OK4ae.png)
The Anchor

(https://i.imgur.com/hTMjOHm.png)
Cherry Reds

(https://i.imgur.com/CZZcHY4.png)
The Craven Arms

(https://i.imgur.com/pXfT3OG.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/oo0wNUV.png)
The Spotted Dog and its garden.

Mad O'Rourke's Pie Factory in Tipton looks quite mad.

(http://madorourkes.com/images/pie%20factory-bar-3.jpg?crc=3958881819)

(https://images.trvl-media.com/hotels/49000000/48610000/48600800/48600783/94bf621a_z.jpg)

Saw Stewart Lee was paying tribute to the grey peas in Great Western pub in Wolverhampton in his 2019 review of the year food criticism section. I've managed to find a picture for a being Stewart Lee experience:

(https://i.imgur.com/vN4Dx5B.png)

I remember liking a couple of other pubs in Wolverhampton but can't find them now and they probably no longer exist.

My idea of the Jewellery Quarter must be about ten years out of date so don't know what's good there apart from the graveyards.

Please recommend more pubs in Birmingham and the Black Country where you can find comfortable reading space. Or that usually sell a good mild. Pubs here are often lacking in nooks, booths and side rooms compared with their Northern counterparts in my experience. So I go to Wetherspoons. Looking forward to checking out the Post Office Vaults and the Oswald Moseley pubs that were recommended.

What do people think about Black Country Ales pubs in general? They do well with CAMRA (Wellington, Jeweller's Arms, Craven Arms) but this guy I was reading said they ruined The Craven Arms:

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Unfortunately, the owners of the pub, Black Country Ales have decided to make some drastic, uncalled-for changes. These sadly included saying bye to Chris and Sharon, the faces of The Craven Arms. They’re also replacing the taps with generic CAMRA-favoured ales.

Yet again this is a prime example of how these organisations are changing the face of the traditional pub. Hence why 90% now have plywood windows and concrete boulders blocking the carparks, standing as a memorial of what Britain was once known for.

https://www.thebeerjournal.co.uk/2016/11/farewell-go-pub-birmingham/

Here's a beer board at The Craven Arms from after that criticism:
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Nellies/The White Horse in Beverley (Sam Smiths) is worth going if you visit Beverley Minster or something.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 20, 2021, 12:45:42 PM
The white lion in caldmore is my Black Country shout. I liked the Victoria in Birmingham when I was back too but that was years ago.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 20, 2021, 01:09:14 PM
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What do people think about Black Country Ales pubs in general? They do well with CAMRA (Wellington, Jeweller's Arms, Craven Arms) but this guy I was reading said they ruined The Craven Arms:

If you go to trip advisor and go back 5 years to one star reviews it's a succession of 'the landlord verbally abused me when I tried to buy a beer' reviews. After about the fifth I started rooting for him and by the time he bollocked someone for wearing 'training shoes' I was in tears.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 01:17:45 PM
Great list Smeraldina Rima nothing to disagree with here

Pie Factory can be a bit hit and miss though novelty factor it is winner and actually has it's own great beer Lumphammer (did you know the chap who owns it is ultimately behind digbrew in Digbeth).

Other good centre of Birmingham ones - Birmingham (and then you've got the surrounding areas) has actually got loads of great and historic pubs these are just a few;

The Old Joint Stock

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The Old Contemptibles

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The Lord Clifton

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The Pig and Tail

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Rose Villa Tavern

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The Red Lion (Hockley)

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
The white lion in caldmore is my Black Country shout. I liked the Victoria in Birmingham when I was back too but that was years ago.

The Victoria is a great party pub and a lovely building but it is for the yoofs nowadays so very loud

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Smeraldina Rima on August 20, 2021, 01:27:20 PM
If you go to trip advisor and go back 5 years to one star reviews it's a succession of 'the landlord verbally abused me when I tried to buy a beer' reviews. After about the fifth I started rooting for him and by the time he bollocked someone for wearing 'training shoes' I was in tears.

Bit confused. Those 1 star reviews from 2015 indicate that Black Country Ales had good reason to replace the landlord for his rudeness? But then there are some 1 star 2016 reviews that agree with that 2016 farewell to a once great pub guy not on account of liking the old landlord and landlady like he did but about the beer selection not being as good anymore either. Then the reviews pick up again anyway. When I'm double jabbed I'll go undercover and see how rude they are and what beers they have.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 01:51:36 PM
Please recommend more pubs in Birmingham and the Black Country where you can find comfortable reading space. Or that usually sell a good mild. Pubs here are often lacking in nooks, booths and side rooms compared with their Northern counterparts in my experience. So I go to Wetherspoons. Looking forward to checking out the Post Office Vaults and the Oswald Moseley pubs that were recommended.

Post Office Vaults is good beer but is small will be nice for a read in the day but evening it will be heaving as popular; it is also in the basement of the old Post Office (the Vault as it says) so you are underground.

Get yourself to the Old Moseley Arms (nothing to do with Oswald) it's recently expanded but the owners have purposely kept the old pub as it was for the reasons you state nooks, sitting and being cosy.

They've just re-opened the Grand Hotel in Birmingham Central and it's Madeline Bar which has that "Shining" feel if you are into that

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If you want nooks though then go to Bacchus bar which is really just one big crazy nook under New Street (again might get a bit busy on weekend evening)

Bacchus Bar

It's another one that is underground and this the entrance below so initially it feels like you are heading in somekind of sex cauldron orgy

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then you arrive at the bottom of the stairs and realise you have ended up in a Guillermo Del Toro film

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You can stumble around in the darkness for a bit and then pray at the altar of Bacchus for a pint.

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What do people think about Black Country Ales pubs in general? They do well with CAMRA (Wellington, Jeweller's Arms, Craven Arms) but this guy I was reading said they ruined The Craven Arms

All good; we had another great place just next to the Wellie that was really good but it didn't survive covid (forgotten the name now).

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Smeraldina Rima on August 20, 2021, 02:18:32 PM
Ta. I was looking at the Post Office Vault photos after purlieu recommended it and thinking that it might be a good one for a quiet drink - had been fearful of the unknown when walking past - same with the Pizza Hut. Can't see myself reading in the Bacchus Bar or Grand Hotel. They're too intense. The Anchor had an old man reading his paper when I went there and it has the right airy feel but it's right in front of the bar which puts me off, actually puts me off being a regular at all as I'm too shy to become known. Will get to the Old Moseley someday but it's a bit more out of the way. There was one called Pint Shop on the same road as The Wellington that closed and might be what you're thinking of but I didn't think that was a BCA pub.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 03:10:12 PM
I'm over around Birmingham area this weekend.

Have down to visit in the city

Bartons Arms, Old Joint Stock, Post Office Vaults, The Colmore, The Wellington, The Lamp Tavern, The Anchor, The Old Crown.

However I'm not sure I'll manage several of those, as I'm staying outside the city and going to a few in Dudley suburbs tomorrow evening. The Beacon Hotel, Britannia Inn, The Chapel House. Would give the Crooked House a try but it's out on its own, its going to rain and no transport options other than taxi.

Might have a chance on Sunday for more Brum city centre pubs though.

If anyone is at a loose end and fancies a pint let me know x
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
Ta. I was looking at the Post Office Vault photos after purlieu recommended it and thinking that it might be a good one for a quiet drink - had been fearful of the unknown when walking past - same with the Pizza Hut. Can't see myself reading in the Bacchus Bar or Grand Hotel. They're too intense. The Anchor had an old man reading his paper when I went there and it has the right airy feel but it's right in front of the bar which puts me off, actually puts me off being a regular at all as I'm too shy to become known. Will get to the Old Moseley someday but it's a bit more out of the way. There was one called Pint Shop on the same road as The Wellington that closed and might be what you're thinking of but I didn't think that was a BCA pub.

Yep that was the one.

Anchor is great; Spotted Dog is directly up the road and slight left in walking distance; keep going left onto the main road and you've got the Old Crown (nice old building; think it is the oldest in Brum) then on again and you've got Dead Wax which some people have already mentioned it's decent enough.  You can also go derelict with the Ruin https://theruindigbeth.com/gallery (https://theruindigbeth.com/gallery) again in which is in walking distance and right next to Dig Brew a bar, Pizzaria and Brewery on site.  But if you are at the spotted dog the Old Moseley isn't far at all about a mile and a half (the no. 50 bus will get you there in 15 mins less if no traffic).

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
Bacchus' decor certainly looks striking but couldn't help noticing the Nicholson's ownership. The chain formatting, grind of kitchen staff, dirty plates and transient custom and so on does no favours to places like that and the Philharmonic in Liverpool. That place really felt like the pub deserved better than a 3 star operation running it.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 03:27:03 PM
Bacchus' decor certainly looks striking but couldn't help noticing the Nicholson's ownership. The chain formatting, grind of kitchen staff, dirty plates and transient custom and so on does no favours to places like that and the Philharmonic in Liverpool. That place really felt like the pub deserved better than a 3 star operation running it.

Yep it is a spectacle pub because of the venue - it is definitely missable
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on August 20, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
The Beacon Hotel, Britannia Inn, The Chapel House. Would give the Crooked House a try but it's out on its own, its going to rain and no transport options other than taxi.


Ooh, if you’re going to the Beacon in Sedgley you must try the Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild. At 6% it’s strong for a mild which, as you’re probably aware, was traditionally brewed pretty weak and was drunk in industrial quantities by the foundry workers and other metal bashers, of which there were thousands in the Black Country, where mild was always popular.

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Also, you’ll only be just over a mile from the Park Inn, tap house for the adjacent Holden’s Brewery, where they’ve been brewing their own ales for over a hundred years. You’ve evidently been spoiled by some of the beers you’ve sampled on your travels but I’m sure you’d still appreciate a well kept pint of Holden’s Golden and a crusty cheese cob.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 20, 2021, 04:31:01 PM
Actress and Bishop for a nice thick slice of desolation.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 04:48:13 PM
Yeah I'm not staying far from the Park Inn, so torn as will be a good excuse to try new beers but the place itself doesn't look quite as interesting.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Blue Jam on August 20, 2021, 04:57:56 PM
If you ever find yourself in Moscow and in need of an unpretentious Kraft Ale Pub, you could do worse than Beer Time ( nearest Metro Station: Mendeleevskaya).

Is there any kind of periodic table themed bar round there? I would like that.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on August 20, 2021, 05:31:37 PM
Yeah I'm not staying far from the Park Inn, so torn as will be a good excuse to try new beers but the place itself doesn't look quite as interesting.

Although I like Holden’s beers, which are available in a few pubs round here, there are nicer pubs to drink them in than the Park Inn. The Beacon is a much nicer place in my opinion, with its dark wood, serving hatch and brewery out the back. If you go there I’d be interested to hear your opinion of their beers, especially the aforementioned Dark Ruby.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 20, 2021, 05:36:24 PM
Any good shouts for Carmarthen? Got a couple of hours to kill between trains tonight

Edit: oh, 13,000 population. Ok seems I always assumed Carmarthen was bigger than a large village. I'll take what I can find
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 05:45:33 PM
No classics, at least, sorry. In Wales terms this is probably ludicrously far away so pointless even mentioning, but the luridly backward frozen in time New Cross Inn at Dryslwyn is bookmarked. Extraordinary there are still pubs like that.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 05:54:31 PM
Actress and Bishop for a nice thick slice of desolation.

That reminds me not far from the Actress and Bishop is the Indian Brewery which is a bit different; great for beers (another brewery on site place) and the food is pretty great also.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 05:54:45 PM
Craft place called Cwrw might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Blinder Data on August 20, 2021, 06:38:34 PM
fucking hell I wanna go to a pub thanks to this thread
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thehungerartist on August 20, 2021, 06:50:26 PM
Having seen it mentioned in the meet thread, The Counting House is one of most impressive City pubs I've visited. Ye Old Cheshire Cheese, The Lamb (Holborn) and The Ship (Tower Hill) were most frequent haunts.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 20, 2021, 07:12:36 PM
That reminds me not far from the Actress and Bishop is the Indian Brewery which is a bit different; great for beers (another brewery on site place) and the food is pretty great also.

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If that’s in the old snow hill station I’d be well up for that.

Craft place called Cwrw might be worth a look.

Surely a fictional name. They’re having you on mate.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on August 20, 2021, 07:35:00 PM
I've always liked the Ship and Shovell in Charing Cross for the novelty of being one pub split across two opposing buildings in an alleyway, as well as being cosy and unpretentious. On days when people are spilling out from both into the middle it's a very welcoming bustling sound and sight as you approach:

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
That does look cool.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 20, 2021, 07:40:25 PM
Went for Cwrw. Standard little comfy cafe bar. Lots of tiny rebel on tap (not a fan), staropramen and 'Cwrw lager'. Fridge full of pastel coloured cans. Colourful, friendly place full of pleasant young people enjoying themselves. Nice place for a beer.

Just been across Wales on the Heart of Wales line.  Some deso on show, and they actually have public transport
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on August 20, 2021, 07:52:57 PM
Cwrw means beer, so an amusingly obvious name for a pub.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 20, 2021, 08:11:05 PM
If that’s in the old snow hill station I’d be well up for that.

It is arrr one of the old parts though (the arches) beneath it all.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 20, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
As well as the Brighton pubs mentioned so far, The Evening Star is another cracker and my own personal favourite. Friendly, great atmos and great beer. It's where the Dark Star brewery began and they always have some DS ales on tap along with an ever changing variety of others.

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It's probably not as cosy as others that have been posted but it's small and intimate when busy.

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Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Pink Gregory on August 20, 2021, 09:16:04 PM
Cwrw means beer, so an amusingly obvious name for a pub.

also a very nice pint from our friends at Evan Evans Brewery, Llandeilo
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 20, 2021, 09:57:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BoakandBailey/status/1428820320887181312?s=19

Boak and Bailey are worth following for beer and pubs, but this sums up the drab night out at an industrial estate brewery tap. I tried Black Lodge in Liverpool recently and after about 5 minutes we agreed 'shall we just fuck off to a pub?'. No level of comfort inside or out, brutal prices despite being at the source (bear in mind, I'm well aware of the going rate for craft beer in cities) , people shivering around you and trying to ignore the drizzle. They're ok for summer afternoons but I'm afraid no matter how good the beer is, when the surroundings and general vibe aren't right it is just you and the beer, those occasions feel quite isolating, even among friends.

What's more annoying is that Budapest provides a clear template for effective outdoor venues (with some other colder cities like Copenhagen showing how the UK can adapt) but because most UK breweries are 100% about following not leading, they just put out the same cookie cutter shit, rickety benches, oil drums, corrugated iron, a third of dirge in a beaker, rain overhead, £6.50 please.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 20, 2021, 10:03:26 PM
I really dislike those tap house places. They just lack any of the life of a proper boozer, yes I'm a fan of craft ales but it needs to be coupled with atmosphere, warmth and the feeling that there's life going on.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 21, 2021, 11:46:02 AM
I really dislike those tap house places. They just lack any of the life of a proper boozer, yes I'm a fan of craft ales but it needs to be coupled with atmosphere, warmth and the feeling that there's life going on.

And too many cycling caps and ironic moustaches in there to enjoy your pint without wanting to glass a cunt right quick.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 21, 2021, 09:35:31 PM
Been about today.

Joint Stock - yep, nice dome very photogenic but clearly repurposed and not that great

Wellington - Nice but too full of Aston villa fans to be relaxing. Will return.

Colmore - nice but not as good as their sister pubs Bankers Cat, Sheffield Tap etc

Anchor, Digbeth - pretty good but very suburban London Pub, almost desiring to be. Beer was cack.

The Lamp - didn't accept card so left. Looked great.

Post Office Vaults - clearly excellent, enjoyed it

Bacchus - actually really enjoyed it. Sure it's tacky bollox, half the beers were off but it was quite a nice atmosphere down there and almost assertively different which appeals

Beacon, Sedgley - fucking awesome pub

Britannia, Upper Gornal - still very good but less totally and utterly obliteratingly good as Beacon

The Chapel House, Lower Gornal - a normal sort of pub but a good one
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 21, 2021, 10:23:53 PM
Beacon looks banging. Straight to the top of my up next list that goes
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on August 21, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Joint Stock - yep, nice dome very photogenic but clearly repurposed and not that great

Wellington - Nice but too full of Aston villa fans to be relaxing. Will return.

Colmore - nice but not as good as their sister pubs Bankers Cat, Sheffield Tap etc

Anchor, Digbeth - pretty good but very suburban London Pub, almost desiring to be. Beer was cack.

Agree with every one of these reviews (except the concept of a place having too many Villa fans which is just bananas. People keep plugging the old joint stock like it’s the second coming and it is desperately mediocre at best.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on August 21, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Been about today.

Joint Stock - yep, nice dome very photogenic but clearly repurposed and not that great

Wellington - Nice but too full of Aston villa fans to be relaxing. Will return.

Colmore - nice but not as good as their sister pubs Bankers Cat, Sheffield Tap etc

Anchor, Digbeth - pretty good but very suburban London Pub, almost desiring to be. Beer was cack.

The Lamp - didn't accept card so left. Looked great.

Post Office Vaults - clearly excellent, enjoyed it

Bacchus - actually really enjoyed it. Sure it's tacky bollox, half the beers were off but it was quite a nice atmosphere down there and almost assertively different which appeals

Beacon, Sedgley - fucking awesome pub

Britannia, Upper Gornal - still very good but less totally and utterly obliteratingly good as Beacon

The Chapel House, Lower Gornal - a normal sort of pub but a good one

All those today?! What a champ. Shoulders you are a totem of pubbing my friend.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 22, 2021, 08:16:31 AM
Half in each (apart from the Lamp. Might go back there today) with a 2hr break before the last 3 where I had a pint in each.

Don't feel all that champ-like this morning but a PKB in Dudley will do that to a man.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 22, 2021, 08:29:20 AM
Thanks to your research i'm going to move all the chips onto Beacon. Any pub that sells a beer called 'surprise' through a dusty hatch has my vote
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 22, 2021, 08:37:58 AM
Oh TECHNICALLY I also went to 'Mad O'Rourke's Pie Shop', mentioned upthread, in that I stayed there overnight! It seemed ridiculously daft and the reviews weren't awful so thought I'd have a look.

It ain't a pub, it's a diner with big paper menus, high chairs and crayons for kids and DESPERATE DAN type food options. The building is beautiful though much like a pie, it doesn't matter how the crust looks if the contents are a bit gash. The accommodation is fine though, quite well done and very good value (£30 for a double room).
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on August 22, 2021, 08:50:59 AM
I did look at that. I looked at a couple of other homely looking options and already felt deep shame at the prospect of arriving after six pints of Sarah Hughes ruby bastard
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 22, 2021, 09:07:29 AM
Looks like it's only 8 mins on the train to Wolverhampton so heading to the Stile Inn for what seems to have an extensive Polish lunch menu, then Great Western.

Really want to visit the jazz pub The Trumpet in Bilston while I'm nearby.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: greencalx on August 22, 2021, 09:29:17 AM
I'd endorse pretty much all the Edinburgh pubs that have been mentioned so far. If you're venturing south I'd choose Leslies over the Old Bell. The latter used to be our regular Friday night hangout, but the management decided they'd rather serve food to tourists than keep an after-work group entertained, despite the tens of thousands of pounds we must have put behind the bar over the years. Leslie's has an interesting interior: the main room to the right is a bit spit'n'sawdust with an open bar; at the back to the left is a lounge with small serving arches to the bar, presumably where your more well-to-do punters, or possibly the ladies, would drink; front left is a snug that, if it doesn't have a dog in it, feels like it should. Usually a fairly decent range of ales, fairly well kept, though you will find better further north.

The Canny Man's in Morningside is a bit of an institution. I heard from a colleague that back in the day it used to be quite a rough pub, and when it was taken over the new landlord made a big effort to keep the riff-raff out, hence the "Fuck off with your football shirts and mobile phones" attitude on the doors. The prices also probably had the desired effect.

Smallest place I can remember drinking in (except, perhaps, the Halfway House) is this place round the corner from where we used to live in Bristol: https://www.theportcullisclifton.com. It's got two levels, I think we only ever went in the downstairs. It looks quite fancy now, but back in the day I remember it being nothing special - bright carpet, a few chairs and unremarkable beer. My memory was that the downstairs room was about the same size as our living room, but we liked to meet people there rather than in our living room so as to save on the washing up or feeling guilty if we wanted to leave before other people did. However, looking at the photos I'm now starting to wonder if there was another, even smaller, pub next door that is now gone, though the name rings a bell.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 22, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I was going to visit the Coronation Tap in Bristol a month back but it was victim to the pingdemic at the time, likewise The Merchants Arms. Was sad to miss them but next time, eh...
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Post by: phes on August 22, 2021, 01:54:58 PM
Stopped for a pint in the Fishguard Arms (Fishguard). Two gravity pour casks. Left cask: Bass. Right cask: Bass. Communication: As necessary. Locals, small rooms, front and back. Football on but very much not your Sky Sports Pub. It's does these things and does them well and doesn't deviate from that. Zero complaints

Edit: apparently this is a fairly new addition. Fair fucks to them, this place feels like it hasn't changed in decades
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: greencalx on August 22, 2021, 02:27:09 PM
I was going to visit the Coronation Tap in Bristol a month back but it was victim to the pingdemic at the time, likewise The Merchants Arms. Was sad to miss them but next time, eh...

I would say I had fond memories of the Corry Tap but the amount of cider consumed means I have very little memory at all. I still have no idea how I ended up waking up on an American exchange student’s floor the next morning.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 22, 2021, 03:17:32 PM
Stopped for a pint in the Fishguard Arms (Fishguard). Two gravity pour casks. Left cask: Bass. Right cask: Bass. Communication: As necessary. Locals, small rooms, front and back. Football on but very much not your Sky Sports Pub. It's does these things and does them well and doesn't deviate from that. Zero complaints

Edit: apparently this is a fairly new addition. Fair fucks to them, this place feels like it hasn't changed in decades

Looks great, thanks for sharing. Who knows when I'll go even within 100 miles of that but my readers will benefit, some of them at least.

In The Old Contemptibles, Birmingham after a truly special couple of hours in The Trumpet, Bilston which has already made today near the best of the year so far.

Old Contemptibles is solid enough, another Nicholson's affair. Non-obnoxious war stuff above the bar, Victorian tavern layout with high ceiling and chandeliers. Probably a tad better than the Joint Stock. A solid fallback option, I'd say.
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Post by: thelittlemango on August 23, 2021, 11:51:41 AM
Really want to visit the jazz pub The Trumpet in Bilston while I'm nearby.

This reminds me, there's a no-frills down to earth pub near Cambridge Heath station called The Hare that has live jazz every Sunday AND a pub cat! It won't win any awards but it's very much a community hub with all types in there, and a landlord who knows what he's doing.
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Post by: thelittlemango on August 23, 2021, 11:59:28 AM
Another jazz pub I really like is Sax Pub in Ljubljana, great music (if you like jazz) in a cosy place by the river.

(https://odpiralnicasi.com/photos/072/718/5FFE207A-7DCC-4F35-A51C-798B2BF96B5E-big.jpg)
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Post by: A Hat Like That on August 23, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
Beacon looks banging. Straight to the top of my up next list that goes

mate drinks there, we think we've got an autumn pub crawl from the JQ that way that takes us ...

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Oh TECHNICALLY I also went to 'Mad O'Rourke's Pie Shop', mentioned upthread, in that I stayed there overnight! It seemed ridiculously daft and the reviews weren't awful so thought I'd have a look.

here on the way. We think there's two breweries around that way that have pubs/tap houses.

The Lamp Tavern is a delight. Go there.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 23, 2021, 12:11:04 PM
Another jazz pub I really like is Sax Pub in Ljubljana, great music (if you like jazz) in a cosy place by the river.

(https://odpiralnicasi.com/photos/072/718/5FFE207A-7DCC-4F35-A51C-798B2BF96B5E-big.jpg)

Interior looks good too. Haven't spotted a bar from Ljubljana to add to my map for a while so that's very helpful, thank you.
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Post by: A Hat Like That on August 23, 2021, 12:15:22 PM
The JQ stuff is literally right up my street.



Other good centre of Birmingham ones - Birmingham (and then you've got the surrounding areas) has actually got loads of great and historic pubs these are just a few;



The Lord Clifden

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Taken over by Laines. The front room looks nothing like that anymore. Beers hit and miss. New area manager is a good sort and trying to turn that pub and the Red Lion (below) around.

The Pig and Tail

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Really good beer selection, range of local suppliers and different types, and lovely looking pub. Had been rubbish for years but new owners post-pandemic and some good pan-Asian food on the go.


Rose Villa Tavern

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I drank on these outside tables more during lockdown than I do when the pub is open. Consistently terribly kept pints.


The Red Lion (Hockley)

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Was once one of the few 10/10 pubs I'd been to, changes in management and then Laines taking over knocked it down. Very cosy, good garden, used to have a range of sport on but not obnoxiously so, can have 4 different ales on and at least one beer on tap you'd never tasted. See Clifden for where it is now.

Also

Jewellers Arms - good outdoor seating for watching world go by
1000 trades - very good beers, nice deco, outdoor seating on a busy but not too busy road
R'n'R brewhouse - vegan brewery, open Friday and Saturday, always good music and 3 own-brewed pints
Burning Soul - beer heaven, in an industrial unit just down the hill.
The Church - was great, dark & moody wee pub with tardis-like space out back. New owners have made it all light and airy. Not really been since the great refurb.
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Post by: A Hat Like That on August 23, 2021, 12:17:54 PM

All good; we had another great place just next to the Wellie that was really good but it didn't survive covid (forgotten the name now).

The Pint shop - closed down the moment lockdown kicked in and company sold it off, I think. Not coming back.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 23, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
Looks like it's only 8 mins on the train to Wolverhampton so heading to the Stile Inn for what seems to have an extensive Polish lunch menu, then Great Western.

Really want to visit the jazz pub The Trumpet in Bilston while I'm nearby.

I backed out of going to Wolverhampton as it was match day and the train was delayed so did the canal walk to Coseley then up to Bilston for the Trumpet.

I really wish I'd known about the pitch black 200m long canal tunnel in advance. That was slippery in places and quite eerie in the middle.

Anyway, The Trumpet in Bilston is fucking fantastic. Had to call as opening times were unclear but some musicians turned up and before long I was inside while they set up. Walls and ceilings covered in jazz memorabilia and old concery tickets, old instruments which perfectly compliments the classic one room boozer fittings, wood strips on the ceiling, carpets, bench seating.

Once the music got going it was full to bursting at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon. They have a good thing going here.

You have to bring cash and tip the musicians which was fine. If I had more on me they'd have got that, that's how good it was.

Drinks were limited as you'd expect but 2 local cask, fairly standard keg options and decent spirit selection. Snacks, no food but apparently the owner does Spanish food nights occasionally.

So England has a Jazz Bar that can compete with German classics like Yorckschlösschen, Papa Joe's and Em Pöötzke.

Depends on your tastes but for me it was definitely a top 10 venue in England, with the Beacon in Sedgeley maybe skirting around the top 15.
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Post by: thelittlemango on August 23, 2021, 12:43:14 PM
Have you been to The Old Duke in Bristol? It's opposite the Llandoger Trow and it's brilliant.

Another jazz pub, there's always a good crowd stood and sat outside the open window where the band play and the music blasts into the street, it gives it an almost festival-like atmosphere on a sunny evening.

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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 23, 2021, 12:47:10 PM
Been past both. Wasn't aware the Duke was interesting in anyway so that's good to know. Would be wary of it getting a little too towny around there though.
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Post by: thelittlemango on August 23, 2021, 01:23:16 PM
It's not too bad, as the dickheads tend to go elsewhere, typically a fairly mixed crowd with all sorts of people there.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 23, 2021, 05:58:14 PM
https://twitter.com/RogerProtzBeer/status/1429539556211167238?s=19

Rayners review is worth reading, for further context.

The pub Protz went to:

The Square & Compass, Dorset
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HLP4gJ8W7EcbmGNbA

Hope to make it there one day.
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Post by: greencalx on August 23, 2021, 09:06:37 PM
The Old Duke is great. Interior is nothing special, beer is ok, but it’s the vibe that makes it.
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Post by: Blue Jam on August 24, 2021, 11:18:42 AM
Another jazz pub I really like is Sax Pub in Ljubljana, great music (if you like jazz) in a cosy place by the river.

(https://odpiralnicasi.com/photos/072/718/5FFE207A-7DCC-4F35-A51C-798B2BF96B5E-big.jpg)

I've been there! Yes, it is nice.
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Post by: Pancake on August 24, 2021, 02:32:58 PM
The Bell, Walthamstow. Overlooks a rancid crossroads but did great beer, OK food (they've had, and then removed, a couple of ace dishes from their menu over the years, the burgers are shit, the roast is a solid 8 on 10), nice decor, two levels and a couple of back rooms, plays the footy when it's on but doesn't usually have tellys on, attracts a decent pot puree of old locals and newbies, is child friendly without feeling like a creche, and have a good 'vibe' (shudder) without feeling too mannered.
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Post by: Pancake on August 24, 2021, 02:38:14 PM
The White Horse in Graffham in the South Downs, decent inn with acceptable bar and food but nestled in a verdant little valley, a little slice of heaven on a summers evening after a long day at (for example) Goodwood Revival
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Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 24, 2021, 02:45:04 PM
The JQ stuff is literally right up my street.

Yep should have mentioned I've not been to any of these in sometime; I rarely go into town anymore as always working; good to see the pig and tail still get a good review though as it was my fav out of those lot.  This is with Birmingham whilst the city is not bad and getting better you still have easy access to loads of other places out of the city;  I was up in Lapworth the other day to go to the Boot Inn (which is nice but has possibly gotten too popular for it's own good) and The Navigation which was great Sunday Lunch food but have heard some problems exist with it.
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Post by: TrenterPercenter on August 24, 2021, 02:54:27 PM
Here is one from the travels

The Pilchard Inn, Burgh Island

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Has the advantage of being on a tidal island so you could get stuck there (if you tried) but there is also something called the sea tractor which is like a scaled up contestant from robot wars that will take you over and back at certain times.  There are also some great seafood restaurants around those parts if remember correctly (posh Devon).

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Post by: Pancake on August 24, 2021, 02:55:09 PM
I like pubs with some tenuous historical significance. I went to the pub where Dylan Thomas allegedly drank himself to death before he died, and my local up the hill was a pub where John Frost and his Chartists stopped off for a quick pint on the way to the Newport Rising.

in which case you'll enjoy the Green Dragon, Cambridge, where Oliver Cromwell and the boys practiced their knife throwing into the lintel over the fireplace before getting off his roundhead and decking the King the mug
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Post by: thelittlemango on August 24, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
Here is one from the travels

The Pilchard Inn, Burgh Island

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Has the advantage of being on a tidal island so you could get stuck there (if you tried) but there is also something called the sea tractor which is like a scaled up contestant from robot wars that will take you over and back at certain times.  There are also some great seafood restaurants around those parts if remember correctly (posh Devon).

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This is one of my favourite pubs, it's tiny and extremely cosy to be in there on a day when it's pissing it down and the waves are crashing around the island and you're in a warm cavern-like pub. From memory there are two entrances to different parts of the pub, one designated for 'locals and guests only'.

On the same island is an art deco hotel that looks amazing but is awful and has an evening dress code for their dinner dances, pure deso, go for the pub, get stranded and then take the tractor back or wait for the tide to go out and walk along the sandbank and you're sorted.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 24, 2021, 05:43:56 PM
Peterborough has a decent pub that I used to live opposite in a riverside flat. Charters was an oasis amongst the mass of shite that is the city centre boozers. Good ales, atmos and live music regularly.

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Post by: king_tubby on August 24, 2021, 06:27:57 PM
My sister lives in Peterborough, so I've been to Charter's on a number of occasions.

It's a good pub. For Peterborough. So if you have to be in Peterborough you could do a lot worse. Like the place we went to for an indie night where the guy on the door had an eagle clutching a swastika tattooed on his head.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 24, 2021, 06:43:29 PM
I lived there for 3 years and it was slim pickings indeed as far as good pubs go. Tbf Peterborough is slim pickings for many nice things in general.
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Post by: king_tubby on August 24, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
I used to like the Brewery Tap, the Oakham Ales place. This was years and years back.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 24, 2021, 07:32:45 PM
I used to like the Brewery Tap, the Oakham Ales place. This was years and years back.


That was another OK one (last time I was in the area was 15 years ago tbf). A bit big but some decent ales available. We used to go to a place near there called Geneva's which was an old Irish pub (none of the Guinness paraphernalia on the walls this was a proper boozer) no decent beer on tap, but at least the clientele wasn't filled with absolute whoppers like a lot of other places in Peterborough.
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Post by: Psybro on August 25, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
The Hand & Heart seemed a decent heritage boozer but the festival is the main draw.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 25, 2021, 03:32:51 PM
I have the Hand & Heart down but other than the bar being on CAMRA's national inventory of interiors and the ales, it does have some dodgy reviews. Might be a bit cliquey and unwelcoming.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 26, 2021, 07:06:17 AM
https://twitter.com/openhouselondon/status/1430536488777916421?s=19

This new book on London pubs sounds like it'll be worth getting hold of.
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Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on August 27, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
Very enjoyable thread, this. I'll add that I think the ability to mix with different people is absolutely crucial to a great pub. I've realised this in the often antiseptic world of post-covid pubgoing where often the room is set up to prevent you mixing with people you didn't come with.

All of the very best nights at the pub involve a serendipitous conversation with someone new and the very best pubs are designed to facilitate that, through having small rooms, snugs, big tables you have to share, seats at the bar and so on.

My last proper pre-covid night out was a pub crawl that ended up at a pub in, I think, Bermondsey or maybe Rotherhithe which had a massive horsehoe shaped bar which everyone in the pub was sat around, nautical stuff on the walls and where the staff came round to give us left over roast potatoes in little bowls. Felt extremely convivial and almost dreamlike even at the time, the memory of it moreso.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 27, 2021, 05:54:35 PM
5 ace Czech beers on tap from Sunday at the Evening Star in Brighton if that happens to be near you.
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Post by: studpuppet on August 28, 2021, 11:13:58 PM
I'd have trouble recommending any pubs these days - I don't frequent any often enough to say 'yes, that one's fantastic', and it seems that most of the ones I would have recommended from my youth have closed down in the intervening years.

There is one pub I'm obsessed with, however.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChE8z_FWgAAoP0u.jpg)

The Windsock in Dunstable lasted from 1970 until 1984, and is the maddest-looking pub I've ever seen; like Corbusier's Notre-Dame du Haut (https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OD-BH973_CORBU_M_20151006152456.jpg) got sodomised by a cruise liner. Who wouldn't want to go drinking in a place like this (even if it was Kestrel or Watney's Red Barrel)? Ian Nairn was an inveterate drinker and he loved the place (from 10:50 HERE (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01rn270/nairn-across-britain-1-from-london-to-lancashire)).

Thankfully someone's written a potted history of the place:
Chapter One (https://anightatthewindsock.wordpress.com/2020/07/05/history-of-the-windsock-part-1/)
Chapter Two (https://anightatthewindsock.wordpress.com/2020/07/27/history-of-the-windsock-chapter-two-building-the-windsock/)
Chapter Three (https://anightatthewindsock.wordpress.com/2020/08/02/history-of-the-windsock/)
Chapter Four (https://anightatthewindsock.wordpress.com/2020/08/25/history-of-the-windsock-chapter-four/)
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Post by: phes on August 31, 2021, 11:18:54 PM
Ian Nairn was an inveterate drinker and he loved the place (from 10:50 HERE (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01rn270/nairn-across-britain-1-from-london-to-lancashire))

Interesting chap. Really enjoyed the first episode, though the effects of his alcoholism were obvious in the second and third episodes and it's easy to see why he just faded away. Food for thought, how to foster the same love that he obviously had for the public house and for beer, but (hopefully) not be dead at 53.
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Post by: Psybro on September 01, 2021, 01:44:02 PM
Anyone got any Harrogate shouts?
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Post by: Drop Dead Fred on September 01, 2021, 01:52:18 PM
"we'll have no trouble here!"
https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/business/19549390.hereford-pub-bans-stone-island-hoodies-chavs-misbehave/
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 01, 2021, 01:54:14 PM
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Anyone got any Harrogate shouts?

Hales Bar if you like old world stuff. Still gaslit. Fairly pricey though.

Blues Bar if you are into music/records etc can be nice.

The Little Ale House for craft beer is great but it is small.

Harrogate Tap at the station used to be alright but Brexit has hurt their beer offerings.

A simple good quality non-touristy pub was Coach & Horses but that's been closed for over a year. Last I saw it the place was halfway through renovation and I suspect may fall victim to The Grey Plague™

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Post by: Psybro on September 02, 2021, 01:22:56 PM
Cheers, will try Hales and Little Ale House if we can get seats.  Scope for me to have a pint each at the York, Harrogate and Sheffield Taps on the day.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 01:45:39 PM
York and Sheffield Taps are definitely more impressive venues. Shame their beer supply is on its arse though.

Harrogate has a distinct shortage of normal pubs whereas by comparison Otley has far too many and not enough bars/taprooms.
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Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 02, 2021, 01:54:52 PM
Sheffield Tap is probably the best mainline station pub in the country right?[1] Nowhere else comes close, a proper pub you'd probably go to even if it weren't basically on the platform.
 1. I'm sure there must be some lovely ones next to country train stations
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Post by: dr beat on September 02, 2021, 02:06:17 PM
Pre-covid there seemed to be an upsurge in good station pubs, I hope they are doing ok.  We found a nice wee one in Doncaster a couple of years back while changing trains, which was a pleasant surprise.

When I'm working in Durham my go-to haunts are the Station House (at the bottom of the hill up to the station), and the Waiting Room (platform 2 for northbound trains).   
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 02:16:42 PM
Not sure what classes as mainline but referring to station pubs, I have heard these are good:

Railwayman's Arms, Bridgnorth
Stalybridge Buffet Bar
The Snug, Carnforth
Codsall Station pub, Codsall
The Crossing Club, Grosmont
Rat Race Ale House, Hartlepool
The Great Western, Wolverhampton
The Great Western, Bewdley
The Brunswick, Derby
Ratty Arms, Ravenglass
Little R'Ale House, Wellingborough
Wigan Central, Wigan
The Swan & Railway, Wigan

I have been and can recommend on top of those already mentioned:

The Draughtsman, Doncaster
West Riding Refreshment Rooms, Dewsbury
The Kings Head, Huddersfield
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 02:23:07 PM
Not a big fan of the Centurion, station pub in Newcastle. Horribly loud, shit expensive drinks and the lighting doesn't show the nice interior very well either.
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Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 02, 2021, 02:49:59 PM
Oh yeah that's fucking awful. Quite lively[1] of an evening too (although where isn't in Newcastle).

London station pubs are uniformly bad I think. The ones at Kings Cross, St Pancras and Euston are at least not Spoons, Victoria has a very strange Spoons with a balcony, Waterloo has a place that's basically a weird basement. Fenchurch Street has one that's worth a visit because it's basically just a bleak 90s station pub, like stepping back in time to the Major years.

London Bridge had a massive overhaul but lacks one completely, fucking shit.
 1. in a bad way
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 02:55:55 PM
Left Luggage Room at Monkseaton looks alright.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on September 02, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
Not a big fan of the Centurion, station pub in Newcastle. Horribly loud, shit expensive drinks and the lighting doesn't show the nice interior very well either.

It’s the old first class lounge and used to be in much better shape (meaning post re-branding).  Busy with non-train punters in the evening but a proper station pub during the day, which means contemplative and friendly to the solo drinker / passenger.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Psybro on September 02, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
I had a two hour wait between getting off the Ratty at Ravenglass and the mainline train back and I'd chosen to go on a Monday when the Ratty Arms wasn't open, so I had to walk to the Roman baths in the pissing rain to look at them for about two minutes and walk back instead.

I've never successfully had a changeover at Doncaster exceeding ten minutes when the Draughtsman's been open either.

I like the Parcel Yard at Kings Cross for decent grub and inoffensive beer at prices I try not to think about, better than what missing the train would cost.

Some people have said nice things about the bar at Cleethorpes station but I won't find out unless Grimsby get promoted back into the League.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 02, 2021, 06:51:45 PM
I don't actually mind the bar at St Pancras. You're not there for the food or beer but the platform side is a pleasant way to spend an hour or so people watching.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: MikeP on September 02, 2021, 07:07:20 PM
I like a comfortable environment with soft surfaces to cut the echo and shave off the treble - sound not alcohol. The best I ever frequented was the lounge bar of the Boar's Head in Reading complete with oak beams, carpet, and flock wallpaper. Sadly no longer with us.
I tend to avoid any pub with televisions. And music should be quiet enough to permit conversation without shouting. Obviously (almost) it should also stock what I consider a decent beer, or at least a bearable one.
The best beer I ever tasted, also a nice interior, was at the Bull in Sonning. Went back there recently and the beer wasn't so good.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 02, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
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Some people have said nice things about the bar at Cleethorpes station but I won't find out unless Grimsby get promoted back into the League.

There's two.

No. 1 pub on, errr, platform 1.

No. 2 pub on, errr, platform 2.

The night I was there, No. 1 pub was celebrating winning Camra pub of the year.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfcEDMNWsAAZu2m?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I sat in a very quiet No. 2 pub.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 02, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
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Pre-covid there seemed to be an upsurge in good station pubs, I hope they are doing ok.  We found a nice wee one in Doncaster a couple of years back while changing trains, which was a pleasant surprise.

yeah, second this.

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London Bridge had a massive overhaul but lacks one completely, fucking shit.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4883/32156815048_cda6563b5c_b.jpg)

not too far from the station
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: MikeP on September 02, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
The night I was there, No. 1 pub was celebrating winning Camra pub of the year.

I'm probably wrong but the majority of visible glasses seem to contain lager...
Or have the CAMRA police hijacked lager as well?

I'm afraid I'm an anachronistic keg beer supporter. Very few around these day's since the fashion police started on real ale then moved on to lager. Lord knows what's coming next, sasperilla?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 02, 2021, 08:59:53 PM
Well Hard Seltzer is a thing so wouldn't rule it out.

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I'm afraid I'm an anachronistic keg beer supporter. Very few around these day's since the fashion police started on real ale then moved on to lager.

Can you explain more here, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. Do you mean 80s and 90s creamflow keg ales like Boddies, Tetleys, Worthington, etc?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on September 02, 2021, 09:12:47 PM
That's just reminded me of a pint of Worthington's I had in The Downs in Altrincham.
"Could you top it up a little, please!"
"No. This button only sends it out in half pints."
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 02, 2021, 09:21:09 PM
Lads! All drinking creamy Worthingtons!

Looks like a visit to the Sheffield Tap could be on the cards. Last time I was there it was with a couple of mates after we'd gone to see Swansea play the Piggies. One of whom is now in upstate New York and the other sadly passed. Bittersweet.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 03, 2021, 12:00:40 AM
I'm probably wrong but the majority of visible glasses seem to contain lager...
Or have the CAMRA police hijacked lager as well?



don't ask me, pal, I was on platform 2
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: MikeP on September 03, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
don't ask me, pal, I was on platform 2
I thought that might have been why you were on platform 2. Must have just been a different train then.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: The Crumb on September 03, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
I don't actually mind the bar at St Pancras. You're not there for the food or beer but the platform side is a pleasant way to spend an hour or so people watching.

Fond memories of finishing a pub crawl there, where every stop was free due to an ill-considered Youngs promotion. 'Sign up here for a free pint,we'll just link straight through to the voucher instead of verifying your email'.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: jobotic on September 03, 2021, 09:44:48 PM
My brief stay in Sheffield a couple of years ago involved a pleasant (solo) trip to the Tap. Would like to go back there. And another very nice pub nit that far away. Bit studenty, mannequin thing with a United top on, great jukebox. You people familiar with Sheffield will know it.

Also wondered into an absolutely terrible pub but saw Man City lose the CL semi to Spurs so it was worth a visit.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on September 03, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
That'll be the Rutland Arms on Brown St.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: jobotic on September 03, 2021, 10:31:38 PM
That's the one! Ta
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Art Bear on September 04, 2021, 10:48:18 AM
That's just reminded me of a pint of Worthington's I had in The Downs in Altrincham.
"Could you top it up a little, please!"
"No. This button only sends it out in half pints."

Is The Malt Shovels still going?

(I grew up in Altrincham)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on September 04, 2021, 12:59:03 PM
Yes, but I've not been for ages.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: RetroRobot on September 05, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
That'll be the Rutland Arms on Brown St.

Love the Frank Sidebottom in the upstairs window there
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 06, 2021, 12:15:09 AM
Headed to Newcastle next weekend, where should I be drinking? Heard about some really old covid pit with a record player in it and also remember seeing some meetup going to some cool looking taproom place with some nice green space outside but that's it.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 06, 2021, 07:38:01 AM
Headed to Newcastle next weekend, where should I be drinking? Heard about some really old covid pit with a record player in it and also remember seeing some meetup going to some cool looking taproom place with some nice green space outside but that's it.

Latter is Wylam taproom. Nice beers and venue but terrible acoustics in there.

Can highly recommend Mean Eyed Cat near the University and Free Trade Inn down the quayside to Ouseburn.

I also liked Crown Posada though that might not be everyone's thing.

Heard the following are good:

Town Mouse, Carriage, Cumberland Arms, Schooner (Gateshead).
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 06, 2021, 07:45:00 AM
Thanks! From a quick Google Crown Posada is the record player pub I was thinking of, acquired taste?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 06, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
Crown Posada well known and central, and let's politely say it attracts a range of people. For some that's fine, others might find it a bit of an in your face venue. Beers are good there, venue is quirky and also social, I'd recommend but it won't be everyone's thing. Probably a bit more chill outside weekends.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Blinder Data on September 06, 2021, 01:51:49 PM
Headed to Newcastle next weekend, where should I be drinking? Heard about some really old covid pit with a record player in it and also remember seeing some meetup going to some cool looking taproom place with some nice green space outside but that's it.

Not particularly characterful but if you're hungry and on the Quayside, consider the Broad Chare. I've only been the once but those crispy pigs' ears live long in the memory.

---

I enjoyed this today, a new book of interesting stories of London pubs: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/sep/05/lager-pub-special-london-st-pauls-bars-boozers-book-secret
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 06, 2021, 02:10:50 PM
Oh yes, should have shared that yesterday. I'm in the market for a cheap copy of that book. Looks to approach the subject slightly differently, especially with a wider range of venues as mentioned (Although tbh, I'm not expecting any new ones to be unearthed).
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 07, 2021, 07:18:30 AM
https://twitter.com/PubandBarMag/status/1434962645346566151?s=19

A reminder of just how corporate this industry is...
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: kalowski on September 07, 2021, 07:49:44 AM
Reminds me of an old Crock comic strip.
"Commandant Crock has just won this week's suggestion competition."
"What did he suggest?"
"That he wins."
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 07, 2021, 09:39:32 AM
Pretty clear that all of the pubs I know of that haven't come back post-covid are either free houses or part of small chains, which is very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on September 07, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
Pub with the nicest views, I'm plumping for the Cow and Calf, Ilkley.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 07, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
I'm gonna say the Roebuck in Richmond, an unremarkable enough pub but on a nice day you can take your pint across the road, sit on one of the benches and look at this view: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-england-richmond-hill-on-the-prince-regents-birthday-n00502 (https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-england-richmond-hill-on-the-prince-regents-birthday-n00502)

With added rugby stadium and Heathrow Airport obviously.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 07, 2021, 02:54:05 PM
Views, eh?

Plenty of Thameside London pubs. Grapes, Mayflower, Dove, Captain Kidd. And some shittier pubs that just happen to be by the river.

Funnily enough, from recollection York doesn't have any riverside pubs with knockout views despite a beautiful river and beautiful surroundings. The ensemble of buildings conspires to prevent almost any standout Landmark being visible, other than the water and/or one side of a bridge. Even the Masons Arms beer garden hardly emphasises its great location.

For rural scenes, Kirkstile Inn at Crummock Water is knockout outstanding. I would wager one of the best in England.

The Crown in Middlesmoor similarly really lovely Nidderdale views. Old Horns Inn at High Bradfield is a dull pub but the view of the valley is a real peach.

For city views, The Blake in Sheffield. T-Anker in Prague. Free Trade Inn, for views of Newcastle and Gateshead.

More from abroad: Brauhaus Tegernsee by Lake Tegernsee, German alps in the background. Chata pod Rysmi in Slovakia which is 2500m up a mountain and still has tapped beer delivered on foot by volunteers. The view is a huge crack down an enormous alpine valley.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Norton Canes on September 07, 2021, 04:35:19 PM
The Old Dungeon Ghyll in Langdale, I guess. Has spectacular views of, er, Langdale.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 07, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
The White Lion in Bristol is a pretty underwhelming pub but the view from the terrace of the Suspension Bridge and the river below is one of my favourites in the city:

(https://i.ibb.co/6PmbkCC/download.jpg)
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: The Crumb on September 08, 2021, 05:53:31 PM
The Crossed Guns near Bath has some lovely seats right on the Avon.

Despite its name, the Cellar Bar in Swanage has fantastic sea views

The pub on the side of Alexandra Palace has a great view over London,but you might as well just byob and sit in the park.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 08, 2021, 06:01:22 PM
Well, the last sentence sums up my views on the matter. Clearly doesn't hurt to have an extra string to its bow, but if I want great views I'll just go where they are, pub or not.

The pub is the inside, everything else is patches of grass or courtyards with furniture in.*

*apart from ruin bars where often the two blend into one.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: flotemysost on September 08, 2021, 06:43:10 PM
Views, eh?

Plenty of Thameside London pubs. Grapes, Mayflower, Dove, Captain Kidd. And some shittier pubs that just happen to be by the river.


The Angel (between Bermondsey and Rotherhithe) is worth a shout here too, it's a fairly standard Sam Smith pub but it happens to be right on the bank, giving a perfect view of the sunset over the Gherkin and all that. It doesn't actually have a garden, so to drink outside punters don't really have any choice other than to spill out onto the wall and the public benches outside - meaning no booking required (if you don't mind potentially having to stand).

And if you walk a bit further up - past the aforementioned Mayflower too - you've got the Salt Quay, Greene King jobbie with lots of seating right by the river, decent view though I didn't think it was an especially memorable pub otherwise.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 08, 2021, 06:47:24 PM
Well, the last sentence sums up my views on the matter. Clearly doesn't hurt to have an extra string to its bow, but if I want great views I'll just go where they are, pub or not.

See the advantage of a pub with a view in our austere, costcutting age is: toilets
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 09, 2021, 12:06:49 PM
True. To compensate for my casual comments I've decided to go to a beer garden this lunchtime as penance. (Duck&Drake, Leeds).

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on September 09, 2021, 02:16:54 PM
True. To compensate for my casual comments I've decided to go to a beer garden this lunchtime as penance. (Duck&Drake, Leeds).

The mucky duck eh, they still charging nearly 6 quid for an estrella?
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 09, 2021, 03:14:23 PM
See the advantage of a pub with a view in our austere, costcutting age is: toilets

Incidentally, my Wetherspoons boycott absolutely does not stretch to stopping using them as public toilets, which I will continue to do.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 09, 2021, 04:48:49 PM
The mucky duck eh, they still charging nearly 6 quid for an estrella?

Wouldn't care to find out. Ales are at middling prices for the centre though.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 09, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
First walk home from the office since day before 1st lockdown, March 2020 and I end up in the same place, Cardigan Arms.

Massive thunderstorm outside (although they are mostly different shades of massive).

The snug room with the yellow walls and red bench seats was becoming my home from home. Pint of Dissolution IPA in hand.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 09, 2021, 05:17:29 PM
Nice. If I wasn't trying to digest the fantastic lunch I had at the Owl and it wasn't raining and I didn't have to force a five year old to eat his dinner, I'd be very tempted to go down right now.

We've been down the Kirkstall Brewery Taproom a couple of times recently for pizza and beer. Very odd inside, he's just thrown a load of his pub memorabilia at it with what seems to be no real thought. I enjoyed looking through the windows at the source of my beer though. Also the pizzas are cracking.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 09, 2021, 05:21:44 PM
It's an interesting hybrid of their trad pubs and exposed industrial taproom. You wouldn't think it would work yet it sort of does. Quite like it.

Pizza pretty decent though the general standard of pizza in Leeds is now such that anything less than a 90 second clay oven job accredited by agriturismo will do. Had a fantastic one at the LIBF and that was just at a street food vendor. Restaurants have had to up their game a bit. Amazed Pizza Express still do business anymore tbh.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 09, 2021, 05:24:42 PM
Were you in Leeds when Box Pizza at the town end of Burley Road was about? They forced everyone to raise their game, then got binned off cos the landlord could get more rent out of fucking Dominos. Shouldn't have been allowed.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 09, 2021, 05:33:29 PM
Yes briefly, went there a few times though wasn't wowed. It was a big deal though, wasn't it, now I think about it. Everyone went on about it. General standard must have been a shade lower.

Another one that bit the dust was the pizza oven at Simpsons supermarket on Dock st. The quite small boutique supermarket that was a video rental store and a pizza place.

Which brings it fully round to pubs as when I lived at Clarence Dock we would go to the Adelphi for one, get a pizza and grab a Weihenstephaner to take back to the flat.

The heady mid-crash days.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 10, 2021, 06:10:53 PM
First walk home from the office since day before 1st lockdown, March 2020 and I end up in the same place, Cardigan Arms.

Massive thunderstorm outside (although they are mostly different shades of massive).

The snug room with the yellow walls and red bench seats was becoming my home from home. Pint of Dissolution IPA in hand.

You're a bad influence, I just did the same after picking up some bhajis.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on September 10, 2021, 07:40:37 PM
You're a bad influence, I just did the same after picking up some bhajis.

I went in Tuesday, kebab night lads! with the quiz, spent the night on lime and soda. felt like being a greedy bastard so went to viva cuba next door for a quick tapas.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 10, 2021, 07:48:38 PM
Only done the quiz once. Crushed all opposition, so I never need to do it again.

Not that keen on Viva Cuba - another institution of pre-Leeds food revolution that hasn't upped its game to match the competition, a la Fuji Hiro and Little Tokyo.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Fr.Bigley on September 10, 2021, 07:53:56 PM
I dine at fuji twice a month, best Japanese place in town, unpretentious Japanese canteen style fayre. Best yakisoba I've had this side of Tokyo.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 11, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
The Gravediggers


Fucking awesome pub
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 12, 2021, 10:58:28 PM
Latter is Wylam taproom. Nice beers and venue but terrible acoustics in there.

Can highly recommend Mean Eyed Cat near the University and Free Trade Inn down the quayside to Ouseburn.

I also liked Crown Posada though that might not be everyone's thing.

Heard the following are good:

Town Mouse, Carriage, Cumberland Arms, Schooner (Gateshead).

Tried the Free Trade Inn today on your recommendation, lovely place with great beers and a wonderful view, could have stayed there for hours.

Moved on to the Tyne Bar after as they had half price vegan toasties in the van outside, another wonderful place (albeit less artistan), proper locals music pub with a great sheltered garden with stage, decent beers and and diverse crowd.

Want to check out The Bridge Tavern and a couple of others tomorrow
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: pancreas on September 12, 2021, 11:17:13 PM
Give the Wobbly Duck a go.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 14, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
Missed out on that one, popped into the Mean-Eyed Cat but on a Monday daytime the vibe was a bit off with a loud guy holding court about his disdain for vaccination, will definitely go back in the evening next time I'm in Newcastle as the beer selection looked great. Instead went to the Bridge Hotel, lovely location and excellent cask selection, peaceful place to while away a couple of hours.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 14, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
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loud guy holding court about his disdain for vaccination

This seems extraordinarily non-canonical for a sour beers clique near a uni.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 14, 2021, 05:14:06 PM
This seems extraordinarily non-canonical for a sour beers clique near a uni.

There was a table of friendly looking guys supping their beers and this guy sat on his own swivelling around to shout about jabs, the nice barman looked apologetic.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 14, 2021, 06:27:16 PM
A very similar experience at the normally ludicrously genteel Hop & Vine in Hull a few months ago.

Two swivel-eyed young men not obeying the rules (the signposted rules everyone by then had got used to) then kicking up a fuss when asked to follow them. Later on making comments which required the owner Tony to extraordinarily tactfully put them in their place. Everyone else there was cringing.

Hazards of any pub I suppose. Beer Monster culture is not without its libertarian nutters.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on September 15, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
I'm in Newcastle so all suggestions noted. Tbh I'm not entirely sure I'll make it far from the Grainger Market as they have all the food bases covered, a small brewery tap, pants shitting coffee stalls and a well tended public toilet. Sadly the brewery tap claims it will only sell you two pints in 6 thirds to circumvent pub licensing. The free trade inn seems a long way from here right now (less than a half hour walk)

Crown Posada looks the nuts but Google says it's closed
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 15, 2021, 03:57:56 PM
Yeah Crown Posada is definitely still closed sadly, hope it comes back.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 15, 2021, 07:56:37 PM
Strikes me as the sort of place that is basically impossible to run during a pandemic but I had hoped it would have reopened by now.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on September 15, 2021, 08:31:57 PM
I went to the free trade but the garden was full and you couldn't approach the bar, which wasn't what I was looking for tonight, so swerved it. Wandered back along the river and against instinct decided to try the By the River Brew Co. It won't be making any of my beer, pub or value charts but it is a lovely spot for a beer in the evening in between the tyne bridge and the swing bridge. It has a slightly odd pricing structure with their flagship craft beer (fine) coming in at an eye watering 6.50 (4.2%), but guest ipa's at 7£ and 7.50£ for 5.5 and 6% respectively and their FOURTEEN % imp stout is £6 for a half. There are places along here with worse views and worse selections of beer by far so it gets a tourist thumbs up from me 
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on September 15, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
Second pub is the Bridge Hotel. Decent pub, great selection of cask, typical prices. Tonight appears to be the AGM for CAMRA which is quite a big deal in here as they're almost entirely cask, not craft. It's not a great advertisment for modern CAMRA but probably an accurate one, with a dozen or two penny-pinching Clarksons squinting at beer pumps and harrumphing. I don't want to come across as ungrateful as these fuckers are partly responsible for pubs like this existing, but bloody hell they're the worst 

The barman is the manager of the Crown Posada and he says it will be open in about a month after a bit of tlc
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 15, 2021, 10:51:32 PM
Sweet
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: thelittlemango on September 16, 2021, 12:08:25 AM
Second pub is the Bridge Hotel. Decent pub, great selection of cask, typical prices. Tonight appears to be the AGM for CAMRA which is quite a big deal in here as they're almost entirely cask, not craft. It's not a great advertisment for modern CAMRA but probably an accurate one, with a dozen or two penny-pinching Clarksons squinting at beer pumps and harrumphing. I don't want to come across as ungrateful as these fuckers are partly responsible for pubs like this existing, but bloody hell they're the worst 

The barman is the manager of the Crown Posada and he says it will be open in about a month after a bit of tlc

I had suspicions it would be like that in the evening, in the daytime it was a hub with all sorts, builders who had finished a shift, international students, people staying for the weekend and a smattering of thirsty locals. Decent pub with great selection of cask sums it up, seemed to have about 10-15 on offer.

Also went to By The River Brew Co. and noticed the same thing, lovely views and very pleasant to watch the world go buy while surrounded by amazing bridges but the beers were almost beyond London prices.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: phes on September 16, 2021, 07:12:42 AM
I asked if they were in regularly as a group and the barman suggested this was unusual, on account of the meeting. So I think the clientele remains fairly mixed on a typical night. They don't pander to CAMRA and don't offer the CAMRA discount. Which is great. Bonus points for being a good pub that also shows football.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 19, 2021, 09:32:49 PM
King Charles I and Queens Head near Kings Cross are lovely pubs. Was there this weekend. Both peculiarly reasonable value too. Neither have that slightly antsy station crowd either.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 20, 2021, 01:15:58 PM
Yep the Queen's Head is definitely my go to for drinks in the vicinity of King's Cross, always a great selection, even the lagers are interesting AND on a Sunday afternoon there's someone playing the piano. Good vibe.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: jobotic on September 20, 2021, 02:53:11 PM
I used to go to St Pancras a lot pre-Covid, for meetings that are now done on Teams. Hope to be able to go regulalrly again one day, so will give that a go. Looks great, and a bit less of a walk than The Lexington.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: iamcoop on September 20, 2021, 03:45:32 PM
Strikes me as the sort of place that is basically impossible to run during a pandemic but I had hoped it would have reopened by now.

I believe they're still trying to find someone to run it.

It got bought out by the same guys that own Wylam and The Bridge Tavern as well as a few other places up here.

I know a couple of people who were approached to run it but as there's very little scope to do anything with it (which is fine, it's an institution and doesn't need to change), it's not the most attractive proposition for someone looking for an exciting change of venue or new challenge.

Edit: Scratch that, saw a post above saying someone has taken it on now. Which is nice.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: amateur on September 23, 2021, 11:58:06 AM
I'm in Newcastle so all suggestions noted. Tbh I'm not entirely sure I'll make it far from the Grainger Market as they have all the food bases covered, a small brewery tap, pants shitting coffee stalls and a well tended public toilet. Sadly the brewery tap claims it will only sell you two pints in 6 thirds to circumvent pub licensing. The free trade inn seems a long way from here right now (less than a half hour walk)

Crown Posada looks the nuts but Google says it's closed

The Old George in the city centre used to do a lovely (and rare) pint of draught Bass, which was reason enough for me to go there.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 23, 2021, 12:29:02 PM
Out to Dublin again this week but also Killarney, Tralee and Dingle. I think I've got a fair idea where to go for yer usual creamy pints of bliss in folk music filled brown rooms but have a crack at a recommendation please, there are often venues I've managed to miss. Happy to consider craft taprooms for a change of speed or weird offbeat places.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Calistan on September 24, 2021, 07:21:25 PM
I can't remember if it's on your list but I always enjoyed going into John Fallon's Capstan Bar. Cosy place that is basically one room. There's a snug, stove and pint after pint of great Guinness. It's slightly out of the way, not too far from the Teeling distillery, but definitely worth a look if you're in that direction. Barmen are great too.

The Long Hall is probably on your site, a wonderful place. I was actually in Dublin the same day you were tweeting about Mary's Bar and Hardware and hadn't heard of it before so we toon a trip over. Sadly the inside was packed so we had to make do with seat outside and a lacklustre pint of Guinness. Looked very nice inside to be fair but to compensate we went to the tried and trusted Long Hall. Glorious bar and always guaranteed a superb Guinness. Every other pub was packed out because of the All Ireland Final but thankfully this place had a few empty seats.

The Confession Box (reopened recently after a year and a half shut) is another good one, as is Hughes Bar on Chancery Street. Absolutely loved this bar but it was number five or six on a pub crawl so that may have influenced my enjoyment of the place. Fuckloads of interesting photos on the wall and they also serve a good Beamish.

Bowes, The Cobblestone and obviously the Gravediggers are my main priorities on my next visit. Two years ago I had the chance to go into the Gravediggers (we went for a wander round the gardens and Glasnevin cemetery) but avoided it since I went on some dates with one of the barmaids there and wanted to avoid any awkwardness. Ridiculous. Anyway she doesn't work there anymore so I'll be going straight there next time and horsing the Guinness into me.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 24, 2021, 08:16:07 PM
Guinness in the Gravediggers is like Dairy Milk. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 24, 2021, 09:17:57 PM
All that's out of commission tonight anyway, not much chance of a table as a solo customer in a city centre Dublin pub during Covid rules as I found out a few weeks back.

Went to The Goose Tavern which was normal but in lots of really nice ways. Reminiscent of many neighbourhood corner boozers in England actually. Red walls and upholstery, warm lamps, wood fittings, leaded windows with frosted glass.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 27, 2021, 04:27:19 PM
Well, I'm in absolute bumfuck nowhere in West Kerry at the brewpub/inn Tig Bhric. It is absolutely fantastic. The high quality promotional photography overdoes it and makes it look way more corporate than it actually is. This is a lovely homely inn with a Gasthof type feel. Woodstrip cabin type arched ceiling, large fireplace, cushions and benches. Trad brews that are spot on. Only opened in 2008 but restoring my faith in humanity.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 27, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
Foxy Johns and Currans in Dingle are similar in that they are both pub/hardware stores but the former is friendly. Barman promised 'ruthless craic' but that was actually to be found at Currans. Go there armed with a rhino hide.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on September 29, 2021, 05:57:54 PM
Mother Shipton Inn, Knaresborough
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bZ4ehvJFoEKVjmL87

Similarly well sorted for all seasons. Table opposite the bar by the fire is cosy as fuck in winter. Decking outside is well done and covid gave them the chance to make further improvements.

I was there a fortnight ago, first time in seven years. Still no Theakston’s Old Peculier, but they do excellent pub grub now-a-days, even a tad fancy. I still have not figured out which table used to belong to Guy Fawkes. It is a very pleasant pub.

Hales Bar if you like old world stuff. Still gaslit. Fairly pricey though.

Harrogate Tap at the station used to be alright but Brexit has hurt their beer offerings.

I was in Hales last week. There was a bloke with a guitar trying to tune his sound equipment, startling everyone four or five times with abrupt, deafening noise. Made me very angry.

At the Harrogate Tap, I had a pint of Yonder stout that cost me ten quid.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 29, 2021, 06:07:15 PM
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. Still no Theakston’s Old Peculier, but they do excellent pub grub now-a-days, even a tad fancy

During the substantial meal era they did a beef sandwich with ciabatta that came with a pot of gravy and it was unbelievably, engulfingly rich and delicious.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on September 29, 2021, 06:37:04 PM
A very good thread this is.

If you are ever in Berwick-upon-Tweed, try the Brewer’s Arms. They have a very conspicuous doorway that makes them impossible to miss. I think they are an independent pub, offering simple but wholesome fare in a traditional, unassuming setting.

The Castle Hotel by the railway station used to have an incredibly cosy bar, full of fluffy carpets and old armchairs, but since the revamp, it has just been sterilised and filled with Ikea furniture on linoleum boards. A great shame.

Across the water in Spittal, there is the Albion Inn, which has neither food nor hot drinks but provides a welcoming haven for the wintry wanderer.

Avoid The Leaping Salmon, a Stonegate pub by the bridge that has really gone to the dogs since Wetherspoon's sold it off, and that is saying something.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 29, 2021, 06:56:10 PM
Surprised you didn't mention the Free Trade Inn, that looks a real good borders boozer. Not everyone's taste, I dare say.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 29, 2021, 07:00:22 PM
Central London pubs post covid seem to all charge at least £5 a pint, even for ale. Distressing times.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 29, 2021, 07:13:40 PM
Central London pubs post covid seem to all charge at least £5 a pint, even for ale. Distressing times.

Hard to get that worked up about, though I suppose if you were out there a lot it would begin to add up. Certainly regularly that price for good keg stuff in the North. Cask in Leeds is around £3.80-4.20 for fairly standard stuff like Leeds Pale and Landlord. Seems similar in Manchester, Newcastle, York.

From several recent visits there are plenty of pints available in Central London in the £4.40-£4.80 region.

Obviously you have Craft union pubs and Spoons if it's all about cutting costs. A Spoons in the Midlands I sadly had to drag myself into to kill an hour was selling Kirkstall Dissolution for £1.80. It's an utter joke and further evidence of a divided society living totally different existences.

Difficult to have this conversation in Ireland where the cheapest pint all week has been €4.40 even in County Kerry.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on September 29, 2021, 07:17:11 PM
Surprised you didn't mention the Free Trade Inn, that looks a real good borders boozer. Not everyone's taste, I dare say.

Oh, that. I must confess the hole in the ceiling above the billiards table, the wallpaper coming down and the mouldy carpets were a bit much for me. It is not the kind of place I most enjoy whiling away an evening. Music was somewhat insufferable too.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 29, 2021, 07:21:42 PM
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the wallpaper coming down and the mouldy carpets were a bit much for me

Sounds pretty good. As I say, reviews are really good with a small % downvotes who absolutely hate it so not going to be everyone's thing. Better a pub that serves its audience really well than a middling one that gives everyone a 6/10 experience. The fact the landlady has been there for so long is a very good sign in my books.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on September 29, 2021, 07:42:36 PM
Better a pub that serves its audience really well than a middling one that gives everyone a 6/10 experience.
The thing is, in Berwick city centre, all the pubs are at some fifty yards from one another. There's the Free Trade, Brewer's Arms, the White Horse and the Red Lion, all of which can easily be visited in an hour's time. And that is also what at least some locals seem to do of an evening, rather than faithfully sticking to just one. If the Free Trade gets better reviews than the Brewer's Arms, fair enough, but I cannot possibly explain it, since comparing the two is the easiest thing in the world.

Whether or not the men's loo has a working lock on the door is also an important pub judging criterion for me. There is a pub in Hillsborough (The Malin Bridge, I think) where the door in the gents' toilet is effectively half a door, so that anyone can see you having a poo. That merits a downvote from me, regardless of how excellent the ales on offer might be.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: amateur on September 30, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
I'm in a pub right now and it's brilliant. No fucker about, Five Points Pale on tap, half hour to myself. Dreamland.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: king_tubby on September 30, 2021, 04:37:44 PM
Yeah, this is the ideal weather to be sat in a cosy pub, decent pint in front of you, after work but before dinner.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 30, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
Very good pubs I've found out in Kerry:

Dick Mack's, Dingle
Foxy John & Currans, Dingle (quite sharp craic in both though so watch yourself)
O'Flaherty's, Dingle
O'Connors, Killarney
Tig Bhric, West Kerry Brewery Co, nr. Ballyferriter
Paddy Macs, Tralee
Baily's Corner, Tralee
Tigh Ui Chathain, Ballyferriter

One thing that has been a constant is people happy starting conversations but also leaving you alone if you want to be left alone. I like a mixture so suits me.

I think I came at a good time as it is not too touristy at the moment but clearly normally is.

Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on September 30, 2021, 06:40:23 PM
Been to Killarney once, many a yonk ago. It is a picture-postcard place; Ross Castle is well worth a visit an' all. The only drinking hole I recall was a would-be trendy place called The 99 or something, which had loads of cocktails. Then again, this was in the late nineties, when I only drank sweet things; I have come a long way since then. Despite its being in the middle of the Gaeltacht, I do not remember anyone actually speaking Irish there.

My favourite pubs in the Isle of Man:

- The Creek Inn, Peel
- The Mines Tavern, Laxey
- The Trafalgar Hotel, Ramsey
- The Prospect, Douglas
- The Castle Arms, Castletown
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on October 01, 2021, 06:57:14 PM
Whether or not the men's loo has a working lock on the door is also an important pub judging criterion for me. There is a pub in Hillsborough (The Malin Bridge, I think) where the door in the gents' toilet is effectively half a door, so that anyone can see you having a poo. That merits a downvote from me, regardless of how excellent the ales on offer might be.

One of the reasons to be pro-Wetherspoons is that the toilet provision there is always magnificent. So much so that I use them as de-facto public toilets.

Always distressing to go into a really nice pub and the toilet turns out to be a two person trough or a single shitter with a broken lock on the door.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 01, 2021, 07:47:45 PM
To help put that aspect in order of priority, there are many good pubs which will remain that way almost regardless of the quality of the toilet facilities, and some that could have the most space age nails shitters in the universe installed and still be wretched.

However I have always maintained that whatever other aspect of the building is preserved, I don't especially care if the toilets are replaced and kept modern. There are those Grade I listed toilets in the Philharmonic Dining Rooms in Liverpool that have a sign saying basically "yes it smells of stale piss because the toilets are so old".
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Johnny Foreigner on October 01, 2021, 09:20:10 PM
Fair point.

Wetherspoons do pride themselves on consistently winning the Loo of the Year awards. I might still be a regular Wetherspoon customer if their menu weren't exactly the same everywhere (apart from haggis in Scotland). The information panels on their walls can be quite interesting. I must have been to hundreds of Spoons over the years. I remember when they even had salmon fillets on the menu and did Sunday roasts.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 06, 2021, 06:20:18 PM
Apparently The Cobblestone in Dublin is being subsumed into a hotel. They want to keep the pub (a clear gambit to ensure the deal goes through) but it's almost inevitable that will lead to it being a sterilised mess with the heart ripped out of it.

In fact I went to such a place last week, Paddy Carthy's, now part of a drab Could Be Anywhere corporate shithole Ivy House.

Dublin pub folk going bezerk, petition here

https://twitter.com/dublinbypub/status/1445797552721379328?t=CUQ3tOIVyqImHFzb_qhUdg&s=19

https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/save-the-cobblestone
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on October 06, 2021, 09:08:17 PM
The people that run this city are vandals whose vision of Dublin is one where people will stay purely to visit other hotels, because there will be nothing else to see or do once they're done. There are a lot of problems with the governance of the city, meaning the public interest barely registers against the seismic weight of corporate money.

Wetherspoons have got their paws on the place too and they've even opened a hotel, so it's a difficult time for pubs here.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 06, 2021, 09:53:39 PM
Yeah and because Dublin by English standards has a lot of pubs there's a tendency to be all 'no loss here' but if you reduce the city to the Victorian pub trail and Temple Bar you only protect a third of the boozers in the centre at the very most.

Not really what O'Connell dreamt of, the socialist paradise where the working mans lounge is stripped from underneath him by some parasitic cunts
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: shiftwork2 on October 06, 2021, 09:58:24 PM
Wetherspoons have got their paws on the place too

Many years ago now but I went to a Dún Laoghaire ‘spoons which I believe was the first in Ireland, and which also in dispute with some major suppliers who wouldn’t play ball including Guinness.  There was a lot of interest in it tbh.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: buttgammon on October 07, 2021, 09:24:13 AM
Many years ago now but I went to a Dún Laoghaire ‘spoons which I believe was the first in Ireland, and which also in dispute with some major suppliers who wouldn’t play ball including Guinness.  There was a lot of interest in it tbh.

Despite my feelings about the company, I've actually been to the Dún Laoghaire one, because some friends insisted on meeting me there a few years ago. It seemed a bit less downmarket than a lot of the British ones, though what I hear about the Abbey Street one suggests that's not the case with all of them.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: v00n on October 19, 2021, 06:26:12 AM
Rock Pubs: Tap and Tumbler, Nottingham.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 19, 2021, 06:39:38 AM
Some new ones I went for the 1st time over the last week and can recommend.

Kraków : Trelkovsky Café, Tawerna Winne Gronno
Bielsko-Biała : Browar Miejski
Ostrava : Kurnik Sopa Hospoda, U Zrzave Mary, Hobbit Club
Brno: U Blahovky, Zastávka, U Vodicku, Pivnice Na Srebaku
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Pink Gregory on October 19, 2021, 09:52:10 AM
Hardly a pub but a tiny specialist beer place, if you find yourself in Stratford Upon Avon, have a look for Ya Bard

https://www.ya-bard.com/

Had the most incredible coffee bean, tonka bean and vanilla porter; granted it was expensive (about the price of a normal pint for a third of it) but you wouldn't have wanted more.  Very, very special.  Also if they've only got something in cask/keg, they'll can it for you.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on October 19, 2021, 02:23:27 PM
Apparently The Cobblestone in Dublin is being subsumed into a hotel. They want to keep the pub (a clear gambit to ensure the deal goes through) but it's almost inevitable that will lead to it being a sterilised mess with the heart ripped out of it.

In fact I went to such a place last week, Paddy Carthy's, now part of a drab Could Be Anywhere corporate shithole Ivy House.

Dublin pub folk going bezerk, petition here

https://twitter.com/dublinbypub/status/1445797552721379328?t=CUQ3tOIVyqImHFzb_qhUdg&s=19

https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/save-the-cobblestone

Fucking hell
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: A Hat Like That on October 19, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Hardly a pub but a tiny specialist beer place, if you find yourself in Stratford Upon Avon, have a look for Ya Bard

https://www.ya-bard.com/

Had the most incredible coffee bean, tonka bean and vanilla porter; granted it was expensive (about the price of a normal pint for a third of it) but you wouldn't have wanted more.  Very, very special.  Also if they've only got something in cask/keg, they'll can it for you.

I went there after the FA cup a fortnight or so ago. Felt like it was a converted lawyer's office or solicitors. Anyway, great beer on tap. Nice glassware.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: poodlefaker on October 19, 2021, 04:53:00 PM
A lot of the specialist places in central London have gone down to one or two cask beers only. I was in the Craft Beer Co on Leather Lane last week, which has about 12 handpumps - just one was in use: a non-descript pale ale around the five quid mark. The Queen's (mentioned upthread) nr King's Cross seems to be sticking with Redemption Trinity, which is always in great condition and less than £4.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 19, 2021, 06:09:41 PM
Cask is all about volume so good on them for not getting too many in. Although sucks if your business model is about offering massive choice on the basis that your pub will be almost permanently full.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on October 19, 2021, 06:56:07 PM
Central London boozers at the moment feel like an industry waiting to see where the chips land with a whole load of post-covid factors, like home working and the like. Pubs in the parts of London where people actually live seem to be doing great, in my experience anyway.
Title: Re: Pubs then
Post by: flotemysost on October 20, 2021, 11:26:01 PM
Central London boozers at the moment feel like an industry waiting to see where the chips land

Generally in central London pubs the chips land as a separate menu item to the burger, for an extra five quid