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Title: General weight loss thread
Post by: bgmnts on August 29, 2021, 01:08:06 PM
So I've just hit the big 300 pounds now which is a pretty special milestone for me personally as it means I'm officially two whole people my height.

So it's 1500 calories a day for a whole year to get back down to 190/200 and have a semblance of a normal fulfilling life.

So anyone else going on this near impossible journey make your thoughts known. Fatty safe space.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 29, 2021, 01:26:12 PM
Oh hello it's me from several years ago

Whatever weight loss plan you're following, make sure it's sustainable. If it's leaving you constantly hungry and fed up and on the verge of shovelling all the "forbidden" food into your maw in defiance of yourself, re-evaluate.

Weigh and measure everything. I'm following a weight loss program at the moment and have lost 11lb this year, the majority of it through weighing and measuring properly instead of just eyeballing it.

I admire you if you can give up junk food cold turkey. If you're like me and you can't, there are tons of lower calorie/smaller serving sizes of crisps/chocolate/biscuits/pretty much anything you can name. If you need that hit, work it into your day.

Keep fruit where you can easily reach it. I have a fruit bowl next to my laptop when I'm working. I put three pieces of fruit in it and my mission for the day is to eat the three pieces of fruit.

When you're plating up dinner, put some lettuce leaves or spinach leaves under your meat/fish/protein source. You have this lovely green colour on the plate and it's an easy way to eat leafy greens.

Be kind to yourself. There'll be times when you slip up. If that happens, draw a line under it and start again the next day. Or the next meal. Don't let that little voice start. You know the one. Even if the weight loss isn't going as fast as you'd like, you'll be eating much more healthy than you are now and that makes a difference.

You can do it bgmnts. I did. I went from eating takeaways four times a week washed down with literal gallons of Lucozade to actually cooking, getting my five a day and drinking litres of water instead.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: bigfatheart on August 29, 2021, 01:37:57 PM
The key is to find what works for you, in my experience. Some people will lose six stone doing whatever, and that's obviously worked for them but that doesn't mean it'll work for you. A few years back I lost 4 and a half stone in three years by joining Slimming World - that worked for me because going to weekly meetings and having to talk about what I'd done right and wrong over the week forced me to keep honest, even in front of a group of old dears it was too embarrassing having to own up that, yeah, I've plonked down my money to do this thing but I'm still spunking it all on takeaways and beer. But that worked for me, it won't work for everyone.

I'm back on it now, having jacked it in during a stressful period and put it all back on again with a bit extra. Just over a stone in three months so far. (DEAD SOON obviously)
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
Until a few years ago I was a big fatty. Moved to Japan and lost loads and loads of weight by accident, just by virtue of living in a different country and having a different lifestyle. Shagged every woman in Japan. Moved back to the UK 2 years ago and put lots of it back on again. Had no sex.

This Feb I decided to lose it again. For the first time in my life I have been consciously eating and exercising with a goal of weight loss. I've lost 16kg (2.5 stone) so far.

The advice I would give to anyone who wants to lose weight is this:


At the end of the week see what you have learnt about yourself and your body.

If anyone wants any advice or wants to hear about what worked for me in detail I'm happy to talk through it, just PM me.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Butchers Blind on August 30, 2021, 05:49:40 PM
GET ON THE AMPHETAMINES ASAP
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on August 30, 2021, 06:44:51 PM
Quote from: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
Until a few years ago I was a big fatty. Moved to Japan and lost loads and loads of weight by accident, just by virtue of living in a different country and having a different lifestyle. Shagged every woman in Japan. Moved back to the UK 2 years ago and put lots of it back on again. Had no sex.

This Feb I decided to lose it again. For the first time in my life I have been consciously eating and exercising with a goal of weight loss. I've lost 16kg (2.5 stone) so far.

The advice I would give to anyone who wants to lose weight is this:


  • Get a pair of digital scales (mine cost £15) so you get a nice easy-to-read measurement.
  • Get a calorie counting app. It will tell you how many calories to eat each day (it will do this based on your current weight, age etc). Remember you can still eat crisps and chocolate and junk! It just means you have to have a smaller dinner. It's like choosing what to put in your briefcase in Resident Evil.
  • Use the calorie counter for a week. That's it. Just a week. You're not committing to any big diet or lifestyle change or exercise plan or anything like that. You're just doing an experiment.
  • During this week, each morning, get up, have a piss (and a shit if it's your shitting time), take all your clothes off and weigh yourself. Write down what you weigh each day.

At the end of the week see what you have learnt about yourself and your body.

If anyone wants any advice or wants to hear about what worked for me in detail I'm happy to talk through it, just PM me.

I've done a similar thing to you, without raping and pillaging my way through the Orient. I'm down by closer to 14kg since a final blow out on Shrove Tuesday.

I agree with the advice on getting a set of cheap scales, that's something which I find keeps me on the straight and narrow.

I haven't been calorie counting since trying to lose weight, but I've changed the types of foods I eat. I don't keep potatoes, bread, pasta or rice in the house routinely now, and I try and eat more greens and oats. I avoid ultra processed foods now, and have come to regard things like sunflower oil as the devil made flesh. Greasy, Satanic flesh.

I've changed how I eat as well, specifically making big efforts to not snack throughout the day, and restricting the times when I do eat. Once a week I'll fast for 24 hours, and most other days I won't eat anything outside of a 1PM-8PM window, with lunch being a small bowl of muesli. Home made, cos of the processed shite in even the supposedly healthy supermarket ones. Things like the Crisps thread make me sad now, because I think I'm at an age where things are getting a bit too real and I need to see certain foods as occasional treats until grave.

Exercise is important, but I've found it really hard to find any forms which work for me because just about every form is abject misery. I do HIIT, yoga and some small weights in a rotation every other day, but I really have to force myself to.

Don't beat yourself up if you don't lose significant amounts of weight in short amounts of time. Obesity makes long term changes to your metabolism, and your body's feedback systems for signalling hunger and satiety, so those of us who struggle with weight have the nice bonus of needing to lose more weight than skinnier people whilst having a body which is screaming at us to get more food down our necks. Weight loss is emphatically not as simple as the eat less, move more mantra that people will chant at you; it's partly that, but the resting metabolism of different people can vary by hundreds of calories a day, in other words the amount of energy you would expect to burn by running 5K or more.

Also happy to provide more detail via PM or reading lists in this thread if anyone is interested, but I'm aware that reading about weight loss online can end up with more reading assignments than practical advice.

Finally, have you considered just not being fat?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Ferris on August 30, 2021, 07:02:28 PM
I tracked my weight on a graph every day, went teetotal and counted calories like a mad thing 6 days a week, also used to run 5km every other day. Think I lost 25lbs over 4 or 5 months? The graph was really good because if I had a day when I was unexpectedly 1/2 lb heavier, I could see that the actual trend was continuing in the right direction and I could do analysis on the rate of decline etc.

Then I fucked my knee up so I couldn't run, then work got busy so I didn't have time for graphs, then I became the owner/operator of a baby/small boy so carefully weighing rice and planning meals around rice crackers and tins of tuna at very specific times became a laughable endeavour.

It was also very helpful to do some googling on calories in food. Did you know a cheese sandwich has twice the calories of a ham sandwich? Or that mayonnaise is ~1.5 times more calorific than chocolate? And ~10 times more calorific than mustard? I've carried that knowledge forward which has made it easier to stay at a healthy BMI or close to it.

Now I'm back where I started which isn't terrible, but I'd like to be back in really good shape again.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: paruses on August 30, 2021, 07:27:24 PM
I like the graph idea and it fits into my love of making graphs. Think I will give that a go.

Was on the verge of doing a bit of a weight loss. Have got into a bit of a cycle of snacking and puddings of late and feeling a bit heavy. One thing that does help me is recording what I eat. Just put My Fitness Pal on my phone and it seems a lot more involved to add things - not the adding but the constant prompts to buy premium. If I get too pissed off with it is there a bettter/almost as good app anyone can recommend?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on August 30, 2021, 09:03:00 PM
U know this but it's  90% wot you shove in your gob. Also, if you can, get lifting, get walking, and absolutely do not weigh yourself every day (once a week - recommend Friday morning). Good luck.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Emma Raducanu on August 30, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Thinking of getting a plane to your next holiday destination?

Forget it. You're walking there son.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: kngen on August 30, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
Don't do Noom. It's basically My Fitness Pal, but with really annoying pop psychology claptrap added that makes you want to gorge on deep-fried pizzas just to spite it.

Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: poo on August 30, 2021, 09:03:00 PM
absolutely do not weigh yourself every day (once a week - recommend Friday morning)

I personally reckon this is a bad strategy because it makes you vulnerable to data error.

You could lose weight over the course of a week but, by sheer randomness, end up weighing the same (or more) on two days 7 days apart.

Best strategy is to weigh yourself every day and accept that your weight will fluctuate and not freak out when it goes up instead of down. The more data you collect the more accurately you can chart the trend. The trend is the important thing.

edit: reposting an example I gave in an old thread.

Here's a real slice of my own weight data. Imagine how misinformed you'd be if you could only see days A and B, or C and D, without the days between.

(https://i.imgur.com/xPmBY4y.png)
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on August 30, 2021, 09:16:46 PM
Personally, I think the inevitable daily fluctuation (which can be startling) is psychologically damaging when you're playing the long game.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Zetetic on August 30, 2021, 09:20:15 PM
If you're unable to get to grips with these distressingly basic concepts around measurement and analysis, then you need to be working on that - not losing weight.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: poo on August 30, 2021, 09:16:46 PM
Personally, I think the inevitable daily fluctuation (which can be startling) is psychologically damaging when you're playing the long game.

that is understandable. but think if you worked really hard for a week and then through random statistical chance your scale told you you'd gained half a kilo since last Friday it'd be even more gutting.

imo better to go into it knowing fluctuation is all part of the game, and collect better data faster. Seeing the long-term positive trend is cheering.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Twit 2 on August 30, 2021, 09:22:39 PM
Love healthy eating. Can't wait to be trapped in a husk of a body, surveying a destroyed Earth, a slow, painful death my reward for my healthy lifestyle. I tried telling Slimming World their slogan should be EAT SHIT AND DIE but accounts said 'no'.

Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Retinend on August 30, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
Everyone loves giving advice. I'll keep mine short: if your breakfast involves a slice of toast with butter, consider ditching the toast and putting the same amount of butter directly into your coffee ☕

Sounds crazy, but if you are rational about it, it's no different to a coffee with heavy cream. But butter is better than heavy cream for keeping hunger at bay.

This is known as "bullet-proof coffee" for some reason and originated with the keto people. But every kind of dieter can benefit from it as a breakfast substitute.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 30, 2021, 09:38:35 PM
Don't drink coffee, please adapt

Does the butter go in apple juice?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 30, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
I also keep a graph and highly recommend it.

I do not recommend weighing oneself every day. Once a week is enough, especially if getting on the scales is emotionally fraught. It's easy to start hopping on it every day and getting angry and despairing because you're up from the day before.

Better food choices are responsible for 90%-95% of my weight loss. I do exercise, especially now that gyms/classes are running again, but you never burn off as much as you think you do. Exercise will tone you, and it gets me out of the house so I'm not sitting on the computer or in front of the TV mindlessly snacking.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on August 30, 2021, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 30, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
I do not recommend weighing oneself every day. Once a week is enough, especially if getting on the scales is emotionally fraught. It's easy to start hopping on it every day and getting angry and despairing because you're up from the day before.

Horses for courses, I reckon. I get more out of weighing myself daily because I know that even though things fluctuate, the general trend is of two steps forward and one step back. If I weighed less frequently then I wouldn't pick up on that trend as easily, and I'd get fixated on fluctuations in the wrong direction. Regular weighing has definitely helped me with knowing that the fluctuations are all part of the process, and when I see I'm up on the day before I just think fuck it, it'll be back down again tomorrow.


Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on August 30, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Better food choices are responsible for 90%-95% of my weight loss. I do exercise, especially now that gyms/classes are running again, but you never burn off as much as you think you do. Exercise will tone you, and it gets me out of the house so I'm not sitting on the computer or in front of the TV mindlessly snacking.

Snap. Reading up on the amount of calories a kilo of fat contains compared to a) the ~2,000 odd calories per day needed to stay alive and b) the relatively few calories burned by most forms of exercise helped me realise that exercise alone was never going to help me shift the weight, as there's no chance you'd catch me jogging for an hour just to use barely any more calories than a cheeseburger. Of course my disgusting weight and tiny legs mean that you would actually catch me quite easily, but I was talking figuratively.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on August 30, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 09:21:48 PM
that is understandable. but think if you worked really hard for a week and then through random statistical chance your scale told you you'd gained half a kilo since last Friday it'd be even more gutting.

imo better to go into it knowing fluctuation is all part of the game, and collect better data faster. Seeing the long-term positive trend is cheering.

Disagree
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Ferris on August 30, 2021, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 09:11:22 PM
I personally reckon this is a bad strategy because it makes you vulnerable to data error.

You could lose weight over the course of a week but, by sheer randomness, end up weighing the same (or more) on two days 7 days apart.

Best strategy is to weigh yourself every day and accept that your weight will fluctuate and not freak out when it goes up instead of down. The more data you collect the more accurately you can chart the trend. The trend is the important thing.

edit: reposting an example I gave in an old thread.

Here's a real slice of my own weight data. Imagine how misinformed you'd be if you could only see days A and B, or C and D, without the days between.

(https://i.imgur.com/xPmBY4y.png)

Can't stand this bellend but he's on the money here.

Weighing yourself every day ceases to be a stressful chore when you know basically what you weigh already. No surprises. I'll also echo the point that more data points mean a clearer trend and you are more motivated to keep going even if you get a duff day's measurement.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 30, 2021, 10:23:19 PM
Maybe every two days, then?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on August 30, 2021, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Uncle TechTip on August 30, 2021, 10:23:19 PM
Maybe every two days, then?

Hourly. Smooth those fucking lines.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on August 30, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
Haha yes, that's clever!
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on August 30, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
DATA CUM 3000

Bet these guys record their unenergetic wanks on Strava
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: badaids on August 30, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 30, 2021, 10:19:00 PM
Can't stand this bellend but he's on the money here.

Weighing yourself every day ceases to be a stressful chore when you know basically what you weigh already. No surprises. I'll also echo the point that more data points mean a clearer trend and you are more motivated to keep going even if you get a duff day's measurement.

This is exactly what I do - it's a buzz to see the downward trend.  That's why I weigh myself every 30 seconds. 
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Ferris on August 30, 2021, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: badaids on August 30, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
This is exactly what I do - it's a buzz to see the downward trend.  That's why I weigh myself every 30 seconds.

Used to love doing a massive piss before a weigh-in and laughing about the 1/2 lb I was about to cheat on my graph.

And my graph had no idea! Superb.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on August 30, 2021, 11:37:12 PM
Is he the guy with the four lightsabers aye?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 31, 2021, 12:52:21 AM
Quote from: popcorn on August 30, 2021, 09:11:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xPmBY4y.png)

Should get those looked at
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on August 31, 2021, 08:41:42 AM
The only thing that works for me is a calorie-counting app and weighing myself every day. Lost 10lb since last Christmas, very gradual, but I know without logging the stupid calories every day I'd have got distracted and wandered off back to multipacks of crisps months ago. I like checking every day, although I try not to get too invested if it suddenly goes up or down a lot.

I've gone from 15st 3 to 14st 5, trying to get to just under 14st and just stay there. Being six foot, I can put on/lose quite a lot of weight without it really showing for ages, and then suddenly you're a fat bastard/gaunt victim of the pogroms, so that's fun.

The only slight disappointment is a vague assumption that when I lost a stone I'd look like I did when I last weighed that much, but it turns out I'm still in my late forties and not actually thirty two any more.  A crushing blow.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: NattyDread 2 on August 31, 2021, 09:23:05 AM
I'd be interested in calorie counting as an experiment, as mentioned. How would it work when you cook most meals from scratch for four people, two of them kids. I'm guessing you'd have to weigh out all the ingredients and estimate or weigh portion sizes? Sounds like a bit of an arse-ache.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: stonkers on August 31, 2021, 09:43:10 AM
Dunno about other apps by My Fitness Pal lets you create dishes on it by adding ingredients together. Yes you need to weigh the ingredients for that to be accurate but you should only really have to do that once, and if you're watching your diet you'll probably be eating the same things repeatedly. If you are splitting it between eg. 4 people then yeah you would need to work out the portion size.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MojoJojo on August 31, 2021, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Uncle TechTip on August 30, 2021, 10:23:19 PM
Maybe every two days, then?

I suppose ideally you'd have Internet connected scales, weigh yourself everyday, but only actually look once a week. AFAIK, no app supports this without you closing your eyes.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on August 31, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
I use the Fitbit one, which has quite a comprehensive list of stuff already in there, and saves stuff you eat regularly as favourites, which saves time. You can also add meals of your own. I make most meals from scratch for my family too, so I usually find something similar on the list and say it's that. I recently realised you can put in proportions of stuff too, so you can put something in as 0.5 of a serving or whatever, if you only had a small amount.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: thenoise on August 31, 2021, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: Retinend on August 30, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
Everyone loves giving advice. I'll keep mine short: if your breakfast involves a slice of toast with butter, consider ditching the toast and putting the same amount of butter directly into your coffee ☕

Sounds crazy, but if you are rational about it, it's no different to a coffee with heavy cream. But butter is better than heavy cream for keeping hunger at bay.

This is known as "bullet-proof coffee" for some reason and originated with the keto people. But every kind of dieter can benefit from it as a breakfast substitute.

Do you at least by unsalted butter? I know salt is having a bizarre revival at the moment but the idea of salty coffee makes me retch.

Edit: quick Google and, yup, salting your morning coffee is the latest trendy 2021 thing to do and I'm the weirdo for not doing it. Fuck's sake.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: madhair60 on August 31, 2021, 10:41:35 AM
Might have a proper go at this and use CaB as my journal so you can all fat shame me
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jobotic on August 31, 2021, 10:46:26 AM
Can we DESTROY you?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on August 31, 2021, 11:22:34 AM
Quote from: stonkers on August 31, 2021, 09:43:10 AM
Dunno about other apps by My Fitness Pal lets you create dishes on it by adding ingredients together. Yes you need to weigh the ingredients for that to be accurate but you should only really have to do that once, and if you're watching your diet you'll probably be eating the same things repeatedly. If you are splitting it between eg. 4 people then yeah you would need to work out the portion size.

Rather than counting calories, I find it easier to keep an eye on the total glycemic load (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_load) of foods I'm eating, as this should keep blood sugar and insulin levels under control, which reduces the risk of diabetes and has an indirect effect on weight loss by flattening out the peaks and troughs of sugar rushes meaning that the urge to snack between meals becomes far weaker.

It sounds a bit scientific compared with totting up calories, but the foods which raise your blood sugar most - potatoes, bread, pasta, and, er, sugar - tend to be the kinds of staple foods that we're used to eating in large quantities. I try and keep my total carb intake under 100g a day, which is less than a fist-sized potato. Once you cut the carbs down you inevitably end up replacing them with "better" stuff, though it does take a little while to get used to the hunger pangs, especially if you're anything like me and can routinely inhale enormous bowls of pasta and still ask for more. I hate what I've become, but spiralised courgette is a very acceptable stand in for spaghetti in lots of recipes, but it doesn't do the thing that pasta does to me of switching off my ability to feel full even after housing kilograms of the stuff.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: shiftwork2 on August 31, 2021, 11:45:41 AM
On the topic of measurements and their frequency, I have scales that will attempt to estimate fat % and lean body mass by some impedance witchcraft.  The results are much more variable day-to-day than weight but averaged out over a month they have some value.  I am now down from 33% fat to 31% fat, which is about the same as a Quaver.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: badaids on August 31, 2021, 05:20:57 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 30, 2021, 10:58:36 PM
Used to love doing a massive piss before a weigh-in and laughing about the 1/2 lb I was about to cheat on my graph.

And my graph had no idea! Superb.

In reality I always weigh myself before and after my daily training session to which I time my ablutions so I can get a good idea of how much I am ejecting daily. I plot this on a chart. It's one of the tools I use to motivate myself to go through the horrible and painful process of exercise and stave off being an RFC.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: The Bumlord on August 31, 2021, 07:01:29 PM
A friend of mine has lost a huge amount of weight through barely eating and giving up booze.


That's no fun.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on September 01, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
215lb "titted hulk" aiming to get down to 194lb ripped cum machine for a big group camping wank end of Nov. Will post updates, which I'm sure you'll find very interesting.

01/09/2021 -  215lbs
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on September 01, 2021, 11:21:16 PM
https://streamable.com/jnjczq
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 01, 2021, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: poo on September 01, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
215lb "titted hulk" aiming to get down to 194lb ripped cum machine for a big group camping wank end of Nov. Will post updates, which I'm sure you'll find very interesting.

01/09/2021 -  215lbs

Helen Fielding considers re-gendered rewrite.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: thenoise on September 02, 2021, 03:16:39 PM
Going to lose all my body weight by drinking salty fucking coffee and losing the will to live and jumping into a vat of acid. Salted fucking coffee. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 02, 2021, 07:25:20 PM
Quote from: touchingcloth on August 31, 2021, 11:22:34 AM
Rather than counting calories, I find it easier to keep an eye on the total glycemic load (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_load) of foods I'm eating, as this should keep blood sugar and insulin levels under control, which reduces the risk of diabetes and has an indirect effect on weight loss by flattening out the peaks and troughs of sugar rushes meaning that the urge to snack between meals becomes far weaker.

It sounds a bit scientific compared with totting up calories, but the foods which raise your blood sugar most - potatoes, bread, pasta, and, er, sugar - tend to be the kinds of staple foods that we're used to eating in large quantities. I try and keep my total carb intake under 100g a day, which is less than a fist-sized potato. Once you cut the carbs down you inevitably end up replacing them with "better" stuff, though it does take a little while to get used to the hunger pangs, especially if you're anything like me and can routinely inhale enormous bowls of pasta and still ask for more. I hate what I've become, but spiralised courgette is a very acceptable stand in for spaghetti in lots of recipes, but it doesn't do the thing that pasta does to me of switching off my ability to feel full even after housing kilograms of the stuff.

Yup, that's the way to do it. One thing you need to get your head round, to get health benefits you need to restructure your diet and lifestyle forever. You can't get there cutting down a bit and doing g a bit more. The shit truth is you have to say goodbye to the old habits.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 02, 2021, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: Retinend on August 30, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
Everyone loves giving advice. I'll keep mine short: if your breakfast involves a slice of toast with butter, consider ditching the toast and putting the same amount of butter directly into your coffee ☕

Sounds crazy, but if you are rational about it, it's no different to a coffee with heavy cream. But butter is better than heavy cream for keeping hunger at bay.

This is known as "bullet-proof coffee" for some reason and originated with the keto people. But every kind of dieter can benefit from it as a breakfast substitute.

Technically it's MCT oil you add for BP coffee.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Schrodingers Cat on September 02, 2021, 10:32:49 PM
The difficult thing about losing a significant amount of weight is not how to do it. We all know the basics of a healthy diet, and unless you're training to be a high performance athlete, the basics are all you really need. The hard bit is how long it takes you. Having to do the right things every day for weeks and weeks. That's where more people mess up - they either don't make the progress they expect after a few days/weeks and slip into bad habits, or start to make progress, see how much farther there is to go and then lose focus/just feel overwhelmed by it.
What helped me was setting targets at regular timescales. So the overall target was about 35kg, so that became lose 5kg every 5 weeks or thereabouts, then reassess. That felt so much more manageable than 35kg. Plus as I was ahead of target it felt even better to track how I was doing.
Oh and as no one else has dared yet: ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/qyyr3zl.jpg)
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jobotic on September 02, 2021, 10:37:58 PM
Tidy your room!
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Schrodingers Cat on September 02, 2021, 10:44:08 PM
Make me!
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on September 02, 2021, 11:07:15 PM
Nice work 👍👍👍
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: thenoise on September 03, 2021, 10:28:17 PM
I mean, coffee is a diuretic anyway, right? And now we are adding salt to that shit. Am I going to have to drink water the rest of the day just to make up for my morning coffee? That i put salt in like a fucking idiot, instead of delicious milk and lovely sugar like a normal human being? Christ on a bike.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 05, 2021, 11:58:08 AM
Yesssss, down to 14st 4 (from 15st 3 last Christmas) for the first time in years without the aid of Covid or weird stomach bugs. Ridiculous that the big thing (apart from calorie counting app) has been not having a hot chocolate in the evening, which inevitably led to a couple of slices of toast, and probably a bowl of cereal or summat.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 05, 2021, 12:32:00 PM
I found that just having a relatively healthy cereal for breakfast, avoiding bread whenever possible and replacing the usual evening meal with (more) cereal, soup or some spiralised stuff instead of pasta worked well. A ready supply of decent apples and chewing gum helped stave off cravings for snacks during the day.
I also looked at my weekly routine and worked out where I could make small improvements, like cycling a longer, nicer route home or walking to the shops. It doesn't feel like it's making any difference at the time but one day you notice your back feels a bit slimmer and stuff like that.
Lunch is the trickiest for me as I'm often out on visits for work so a meal deal is the easiest option.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Pavlov`s Dog`s Dad`s Dead on September 05, 2021, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: Jack Shaftoe on September 05, 2021, 11:58:08 AM
for the first time in years without the aid of Covid or weird stomach bugs.
I've got Covid right now, and one weird side-effect I'm experiencing is that my appetite is through the roof. Which is a pisser, because earlier this year - and your phrase "for the first time in years" is apposite here - I was the right side of 100kg. What makes it even more frustrating is that my sense of taste and smell went yesterday, but I still want to pig out. I can't even enjoy it, now, just mechanically chomping away with the best I can hope for being a bit of interesting texture.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: thenoise on September 05, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
I ask you. What's next pepper in tea? Sprinkle of mustard powder in your cocoa? Is nothing sacred to these people?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 05, 2021, 05:17:55 PM
Quote from: jamiefairlie on September 02, 2021, 07:26:48 PM
Technically it's MCT oil you add for BP coffee.

The recipe I've used used both coconut oil and a bit of butter.

It is quite interesting how it seems to work really, a kick up the arse from the coffee and then a slow burn from the fat.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: itsfredtitmus on September 05, 2021, 06:27:58 PM
Pizza
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 05, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on September 05, 2021, 05:17:55 PM
The recipe I've used used both coconut oil and a bit of butter.

It is quite interesting how it seems to work really, a kick up the arse from the coffee and then a slow burn from the fat.

Pretty much. The MCT is easier for your body to convert to ketones so if your blood sugar is low and glycogen levels in your cells are too, you should start to use ketones for energy instead and go into ketosis.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 05, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: thenoise on September 05, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
I ask you. What's next pepper in tea? Sprinkle of mustard powder in your cocoa? Is nothing sacred to these people?

Well interestingly enough, black pepper helps your body absorb nutrients more efficiently.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: badaids on September 05, 2021, 06:54:56 PM

I passed the 100 kilo mark before the summer.  Never been that much of an oxygen thief before, none of my clothes fit me anymore and you can't lie to your trousers. 

So I started my Gym regime combined with, well not a diet exactly, more a don't eat like a disgusting pig regime (3 non junk meals a day, no snacking, no eating before sleeping, lots of water), on monday. 

So that + 30 mins of sickening train to fail every day with a day of on Sunday means that I have felt starving and in the kind of pain a sex offender must feel like in his first week in gen-pop.  However I lost a kilo.  Now I just need to keep it up for 4 months.  If I can lose 10 kilos I'll be content, if I can lose 15 I'll be facking delighted.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 05, 2021, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: thenoise on September 03, 2021, 10:28:17 PM
I mean, coffee is a diuretic anyway, right? And now we are adding salt to that shit. Am I going to have to drink water the rest of the day just to make up for my morning coffee? That i put salt in like a fucking idiot, instead of delicious milk and lovely sugar like a normal human being?
Milk and sugar? Do you have that coffee with your bowl of Coco Pops in the morning?
It's just a little pinch of salt, not a cup of seawater. I bet you're one of of those types who freaks out over pineapple on pizza.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on September 10, 2021, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: poo on September 01, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
215lb "titted hulk" aiming to get down to 194lb ripped cum machine for a big group camping wank end of Nov. Will post updates, which I'm sure you'll find very interesting.

01/09/2021 -  215lbs

10/09/21 - 209lbs (-6lbs, 15lb to go)
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 10:39:44 AM
Quote from: thenoise on September 03, 2021, 10:28:17 PM
I mean, coffee is a diuretic anyway, right? And now we are adding salt to that shit. Am I going to have to drink water the rest of the day just to make up for my morning coffee? That i put salt in like a fucking idiot, instead of delicious milk and lovely sugar like a normal human being? Christ on a bike.

Apparently the diuretic effects of coffee are relatively negligible.

https://time.com/5192272/coffee-tea-dehydrating/
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: thenoise on September 10, 2021, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 05, 2021, 07:19:53 PM
Milk and sugar? Do you have that coffee with your bowl of Coco Pops in the morning?
It's just a little pinch of salt, not a cup of seawater. I bet you're one of of those types who freaks out over pineapple on pizza.

Milk goes on cocoa pops (and it's for children), I drink coffee out of a coffee cup. I suppose that is fuddy duddy of me as well?? Enjoy your salty coffee on children's cereal, probably served on a chipped tile in a boardgame cafe.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 05:33:59 PM
Can I just shock you? Salty coffee and deliberately courting ketosis both sound like ideas which, if not terrible, are questionable at best. AT BEST.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: imitationleather on September 10, 2021, 05:57:16 PM
Milk and sugar in coffee? Pfff... Get a load of Mr 1970s!
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 10, 2021, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 05:33:59 PM
Can I just shock you? Salty coffee and deliberately courting ketosis both sound like ideas which, if not terrible, are questionable at best. AT BEST.
Salted (not salty) coffee is fine. I'm fairly certain keto diets are a load of guff though.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 10, 2021, 07:51:44 PM
Well given that Keto is essentially low carb plus and most carbs come from processed sugar (including booze) then it's hard to see why it's not beneficial based on eliminating those alone.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 10, 2021, 08:55:12 PM
Just cut calories you bastards.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on September 10, 2021, 09:00:19 PM
Quote from: poo on September 10, 2021, 10:32:10 AM
10/09/21 - 209lbs (-6lbs, 15lb to go)
fuck yeah

well done poo

as for the ketosis debate, all of those diets sound a lot like reinventing the wheel to me. Just:
- cook
- eat more veg
- eat more fruit
- drink more water
- cut down on the shite
- find out what an appropriate portion size is and stick to it
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 11, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: jamiefairlie on September 10, 2021, 07:51:44 PM
Well given that Keto is essentially low carb plus and most carbs come from processed sugar (including booze) then it's hard to see why it's not beneficial based on eliminating those alone.
I'll readily admit that I'm no food scientist (although I strongly suspect that none of the keto evangelists on Youtube are, either) and my opinion is based on observing only one person. It seems to me there is a fairly significant difference between cutting down on sugar and eliminating carbs entirely, though. I don't think it's doing them any direct harm, but it seems like a lot of fuss for no apparent benefit.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 11, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
Have a friend in America who has lost a ton of weight in the past month due to being sick (nothing gravely serious), that's an option. He's been posting about how he's down to a stick thin 180lbs (13 stone), friends commenting tips for him to gain his weight back. He's shorter than me and when I got up to 170lbs in lockdown I looked fat af.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 11, 2021, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on September 11, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
Have a friend in America who has lost a ton of weight in the past month due to being sick (nothing gravely serious), that's an option. He's been posting about how he's down to a stick thin 180lbs (13 stone), friends commenting tips for him to gain his weight back. He's shorter than me and when I got up to 170lbs in lockdown I looked fat af.

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Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 11, 2021, 09:57:48 PM

Best tip for losing weight is to go vegan - Or at least quit eggs and dairy.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: poo on September 17, 2021, 01:48:39 PM
Quote from: poo on September 10, 2021, 10:32:10 AM
10/09/21 - 209lbs (-6lbs, 15lb to go)

210 lbs

+1lb this week (-5lbs, 16lbs to go)


Not too bothered about this. In fact, bit of a result after last weekend, which turned into a celebratory bender - 20-odd pints of Butty Bach and a few roast chickens.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: bgmnts on September 17, 2021, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on September 11, 2021, 09:57:48 PM
Best tip for losing weight is to go vegan - Or at least quit eggs and dairy.

To be fair i've been vegan for two years and i'm the fattest i've ever been.

I'd say vegetarian is the sweet spot for health.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 17, 2021, 02:29:02 PM
Are vegetarian stuff like the no bull burger and Linda McCartney sausages healthier than actual meat? They must be full of god knows what.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on September 17, 2021, 02:29:02 PM
Are vegetarian stuff like the no bull burger and Linda McCartney sausages healthier than actual meat? They must be full of god knows what.

I think it comes down to what you mean by "healthier".

I've mentioned upthread about how I've switched away from calorie counting to focussing more on eliminating ultra processed foods with inflammatory effects from my diet, and vegan foods - in particular when they are trying to emulate meats - can be some of the worst offenders in this area. If I were eating vegan and sticking away from UPFs I'd go with a bean burger rather than one of those Impossible Burgers, because they're full of sunflower oil and binding agents and many of the other things I try to avoid.

That's not to say that "proper" sausages and burgers are therefore healthier for you, of course, just that depending on your aims the definition of "healthier" is likely to be more complicated than just the presence or lack of meat, and my own preference would be for natural, whole foods[nb]Both "natural" and "whole" are wanky words that I'm not fully onboard with, but they're quicker to right than talking about non-ultra-processed all the time.[/nb] whether I was eating meat or not.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: bgmnts on September 17, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on September 17, 2021, 02:29:02 PM
Are vegetarian stuff like the no bull burger and Linda McCartney sausages healthier than actual meat? They must be full of god knows what.

Well no but you dont have to eat that stuff really.

Eating unhealthy processed shite will probably always be unhealthy unprocesses shite regardless.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: An tSaoi on September 17, 2021, 03:36:58 PM
Vegetarian and vegan food is unhealthier than it has ever been. Vegan chocolate, donuts, burgers. It's not just salad any more. Great selection, but the idea that it's inherently a "skinny" diet isn't true.

I eat Linda McCartney sausages, Quorn nuggets, tofu etc, and I couldn't tell you what plants they're made from. I don't know what any of it actually is. In terms of healthiness, it's probably no better than mystery meat. I'm still a fat fuck.

I lost more weight switching from lager to spirits than from meat to fake meat.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: paruses on September 17, 2021, 03:50:22 PM
Just remembered I have a cake to eat downstairs. It's not going great at the moment. Apart from the cake.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MikeP on September 17, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
One major impediment to weight loss is glucose-fructose syrup under whatever name the food producers want to hide it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/beware-the-devils-candy-z0ct2twgzp0 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/beware-the-devils-candy-z0ct2twgzp0)

And ignoring calorific values can be useful. A bale of hay has a very high calorific value but not in any way usable as energy or fat production by you.

Remember always that fat has a high calorific value but cannot be laid down as fat in the body. Although the food that you continue to eat with it will be.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: MikeP on September 17, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
And ignoring calorific values can be useful. A bale of hay has a very high calorific value but not in any way usable as energy or fat production by you.

I have a feeling this is not true, in the sense that it implies "some foods have high calories but they won't make you fat".

In any case, paying attention only to calories is very useful if you just want a simple way to lose weight. It's very easy to overthink the whole process.

Pretty sure if I only ate five Mars Bars a day (5 x 230 calories = 1150 calories per day), and no other food, and only drank water, I would lose a lot of weight very fast.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:21:47 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Pretty sure if I only ate five Mars Bars a day (5 x 230 calories = 1150 calories per day), and no other food, and only drank water, I would lose a lot of weight very fast.

I dunno. I reckon in a practical sense you'd end up feeling very non-sated almost all of the time, and you'd almost certainly crack and start scoffing other things just to make yourself feel full, and potentially even quitting some of the daily Mars Bars because they were just sickening.

It's one of those diets which works in theory purely because of the calorie count, but in practice when someone isn't literally locked up and left with no option other than to eat five Mars Bars the whole five Mars Bars and nothing but the five Mars Bars they'd soon stray from it.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:24:34 PM
Quote from: MikeP on September 17, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
Remember always that fat has a high calorific value but cannot be laid down as fat in the body. Although the food that you continue to eat with it will be.

One of the weight loss books I've read made a point which has stuck with me, that if foods were named for what they did to you rather than what they were made of, sugar would be called fat. I think that's one of the reasons why the food industry has been so successfully able to market incredibly unhealthy foods by claiming - perfectly accurately - that they are low in fat, because it's so easy for people to mentally draw conclusions from those three little letters.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 11:27:31 PM
Quote from: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:21:47 PM
I dunno. I reckon in a practical sense you'd end up feeling very non-sated almost all of the time, and you'd almost certainly crack and start scoffing other things just to make yourself feel full, and potentially even quitting some of the daily Mars Bars because they were just sickening.

It's one of those diets which works in theory purely because of the calorie count, but in practice when someone isn't literally locked up and left with no option other than to eat five Mars Bars the whole five Mars Bars and nothing but the five Mars Bars they'd soon stray from it.

Yes but you've slightly missed the point - I'm not suggesting everyone try the Mars Bar diet, as it would have all sorts of unworkable practical implications, as you say.

I'm just talking about the basic facts of calories - you cut them, you lose weight, you boost them, you gain weight, whether you're consuming them via Mars Bars or carrots. Speculation about good calories, bad calories, worrying about other nutrients etc is pretty immaterial for the purposes of weight loss. Diets like the keto diet, Atkins diet etc etc all basically work by cutting calories at the end of the day.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 11:27:31 PM
I'm just talking about the basic facts of calories - you cut them, you lose weight, you boost them, you gain weight, whether you're consuming them via Mars Bars or carrots. Speculation about good calories, bad calories, worrying about other nutrients etc is pretty immaterial for the purposes of weight loss. Diets like the keto diet, Atkins diet etc etc all basically work by cutting calories at the end of the day.

It's too simplistic, I think, because of the feedback loops in appetite and metabolism and activity levels. It's extremely hard to stick strictly to the "eat less, move more" equation in the real world because restrictive diets can both make people's desire to eat more and move less incredibly strong (snipping wired jaws open or sucking blended kebabs through a straw, at extreme ends), and can also suppress metabolisms so that fewer calories are burned at rest.

I think the Mars Bar diet is just a pretty extreme form of one which would cause all of those sorts of effects, and Atkins and keto aren't immune from it.

I'm not so sure about good versus bad calories, but there's definitely evidence that certain food types can help stop some of the pitfalls of cutting calories, especially when they're aimed at levelling out insulin and blood sugar levels. The Mars Bar diet would probably have you more mad with hunger than an equivalent number of calories consumed as carrots just because they would make your blood sugar spike and crash, and weaken your insulin response so that the spikes and crashes became increasingly extreme until the old diabetes kicked in. Actually, saying that, what does a leg weigh?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
Again, I wasn't saying anyone should try the Mars Bar diet. That was a silly example I just made up to demonstrate an idea about calories.

People think "eat bad food = get fat". In fact it's "consume more calories than you burn = get fat". That's it.

A friend of mine was shocked that I was dieting but having a McDonald's for lunch. Well, it's because I can afford the calories today.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
Again, I wasn't saying anyone should try the Mars Bar diet. That was a silly example I just made up to demonstrate an idea about calories.

People think "eat bad food = get fat". In fact it's "consume more calories than you burn = get fat". That's it.

I know you weren't seriously advocating the Mars Bar diet, but my point was more that isn't as simple as eating fewer calories than you burn, because in the real world it's extremely difficult to accurately control how many calories you eat - not mathematically difficult, just practically difficult - and I would say literally impossible to control how many you burn with any form of precision.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 18, 2021, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
Again, I wasn't saying anyone should try the Mars Bar diet. That was a silly example I just made up to demonstrate an idea about calories.

People think "eat bad food = get fat". In fact it's "consume more calories than you burn = get fat". That's it.

A friend of mine was shocked that I was dieting but having a McDonald's for lunch. Well, it's because I can afford the calories today.

Perhaps that's true in terms of calories in/out but equal calories does not mean equal nutrition. Your MacD's was still far inferior to an equally calorific, higher nutrient meal. Not to mention the inflammatory/carcinogenic ingredients that Ronald provides so happily.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 12:19:44 AM
Quote from: jamiefairlie on September 18, 2021, 12:12:43 AM
Perhaps that's true in terms of calories in/out but equal calories does not mean equal nutrition.

yes, but this is the weight loss thread. We're talking about what causes you to gain and lose weight. If this were a thread about gaining muscle then I'd be telling people to worry about protein.

I think I've created the wrong impression here. Obviously when dieting you need to pick meals that are going to keep you happy and full, sustain you, not cause you to die of malnutrition. What I was responding to was the creeping suggestion of "don't worry about calories - focus on XYZ nstead". No, you should worry about calories, that's your primary metric when dieting for weight loss.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 12:19:44 AM
I think I've created the wrong impression here. Obviously when dieting you need to pick meals that are going to keep you happy and full, sustain you, not cause you to die of malnutrition. What I was responding to was the creeping suggestion of "don't worry about calories - focus on XYZ nstead". No, you should worry about calories, that's your primary metric when dieting for weight loss.

It's a metric, I wouldn't say the primary one.

You said in an earlier post that you think Atkins and keto work mainly as a proxies for reducing calories, but I think it's more specifically that they are a proxy for reducing carbs and sugars. Cutting out those things can help change the way your body sends and receives signals of hunger and satiety. The feedback mechanisms are all incredibly complex - your body isn't a system like a car where petrol in equals motion out, it's more like if changing to a different brand of petrol caused your car to run more or fewer miles to the gallon, or affected how accurate your petrol gauge was.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 12:38:23 AM
As a case in point, the only diet I've ever tried where I've literally counted calories was the 5:2, and it was horrendous. On the "2" days I had massive mood swings and felt like shite, so I crashed out of the diet because it wasn't sustainable, but it had made me feel so terrible that the needle swung in the other direction and my appetite and cravings skyrocketed. A lot of calorie restriction diets aren't designed in a way that is sustainable for life, or that can smoothly transition from a weight loss to maintenance phase. In fact, they are popular precisely because of that - they're excellent as crash diets, but after the initial rapid loss of a few kilograms, weight loss will almost always stall and the diets aren't sustainable for a lot of people when they don't have the motivation of seeing the scales change every day any more.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 12:40:47 AM
Quote from: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 12:28:24 AM
It's a metric, I wouldn't say the primary one.

I think it is.

Quote from: NHS
The amount of energy in an item of food or drink is measured in calories.

When we eat and drink more calories than we use up, our bodies store the excess as body fat. If this continues, over time we may put on weight.

To lose weight, the average person should reduce their daily calorie intake by 600kcal.

It's calories in, calories out. You just have to do whatever you need to do to cut that deal. If cutting carbs and sugars (or whatever other combo works for you) ends up sustaining that equation for you over the long term than great. But I'm skeptical of things that complicate rather than simplify the process, as I think they are likely to weaken people's chances by confusing the issue.

Quote from: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 12:38:23 AM
As a case in point, the only diet I've ever tried where I've literally counted calories was the 5:2, and it was horrendous.

Yeah I tried that too and it sucked. You have to find a way of moderating calories in a way that's sustainable for you. Mine was getting a calorie counting app.

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Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 01:02:20 AM
I think there are ways to simplify that aren't as blunt as 5:2, or slightly less blunt as Atkins and keto.

I think I'm saying the same thing as you, anyway. Saying that you need to "find a way that's sustainable for you" is basically the same as saying "you could limit calories on Mars Bars, but that's crazy, obviously". A lot of diets aren't too dissimilar from the Mars Bar diet in terms of how unsustainable they are, but are wrapped in language which makes them sound less obviously crazy.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 01:09:39 AM
Quote from: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 01:02:20 AM
I think there are ways to simplify that aren't as blunt as 5:2, or slightly less blunt as Atkins and keto.

Definitely. Like I say, I like calorie counting, and I like going for long walks. I like just eating what I always liked eating but in smaller portions. After all, it's what thin people do.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
Quote from: popcorn on September 17, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
it implies "some foods have high calories but they won't make you fat

Correct.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 08:47:01 AM
Quote from: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
Correct.

Cooked versus raw food is a good example of this. Since humans learnt how to control fire and routinely started to cook food, our intestines have got shorter than other apes' because cooking does some of the work of the digestive process to break down fibres and whatnot, meaning that more of the calories theoretically available in the raw food become easily absorbable by the gut.

Alcoholics are another example of how not every calorie printed on a nutrition label necessarily gets processed by your body and turned into fat. I've met people as thin as takes who should be the size of houses based on the amount of calories they pack in from booze.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
Quote from: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
Correct.

I don't believe this.

What is actually being alleged here? That there are some foods whose calorific content is actually less than is written on the packaging? Or that there are different kinds of calories? Or something else?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 10:26:54 AM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I don't believe this.

What is actually being alleged here? That there are some foods whose calorific content is actually less than is written on the packaging? Or that there are different kinds of calories? Or something else?

The hay bale is a decent example. Measuring its calories in a calorimeter is one thing, but a human would be able to extract fewer of those calories than a cow.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 10:49:31 AM
Sure. But people don't have bales of hay for dinner. They go into the shop and look at the number of calories written on the packaging.

What is being claimed here about the number of calories written on the packaging of a Mars Bar, or a bag of carrots, or a box of cereal? What is the advice to people who want to lose weight? Are they supposed to interpret the numbers differently?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 10:49:31 AM
Sure. But people don't have bales of hay for dinner. They go into the shop and look at the number of calories written on the packaging.

What is being claimed here about the number of calories written on the packaging of a Mars Bar, or a bag of carrots, or a box of cereal? What is the advice to people who want to lose weight? Are they supposed to interpret the numbers differently?

In a way, yes, or be mindful of numbers other than calories rather than focussing solely on that. Numbers like glycemic index try and gauge the effect given foodstuffs have in practice in the human body rather than in the lab, and in broad terms lower GI foods will end up with fewer of their calories digested. Things like nuts are a good example of a low GI food, and eating the same number of calories per the food label in nuts as in sugar would probably result in a notable difference in weight loss.

In practical terms as a consumer wanting to lose weight, one could - and this is something that actually do - choose a Snickers over a Mars Bar.

I've only skimmed it, but this article looks like it goes over quite a lot of the sorts of things I'm talking about - https://www.getthegloss.com/article/a-healthy-curiosity-calorie-counting-vs-g-i (https://www.getthegloss.com/article/a-healthy-curiosity-calorie-counting-vs-g-i) - and there are a lot of studies which show that when calories are kept the same, people eating different kinds of foods will experience different weight loss and other health outcomes.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 10:49:31 AM
Sure. But people don't have bales of hay for dinner. They go into the shop and look at the number of calories written on the packaging.

What is being claimed here about the number of calories written on the packaging of a Mars Bar, or a bag of carrots, or a box of cereal? What is the advice to people who want to lose weight? Are they supposed to interpret the numbers differently?

The numbers on the packaging have little to do with the actual calorific values. Most food producers follow the Atwater system whereby average calorific values for each category of food are used.

These values are 4kcal/g for protein and carbohydrate, 9kcal/g for fat. Saves them the trrouble of working out the real values. As a result of this they are saying 1g of refined sugar has the same calorific value as 1g of meat. As followers of the Atkins diet can tell you, this is misleading in the extreme.

All alcoholic beverages are blessed with 7kcal/g.

Hands up everyone who believes slavishly in statistics...
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 01:39:57 PM
Forgot to mention that producers often deduct the weight of fibre when doing their calculations.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 18, 2021, 03:36:21 PM
Also fibre has a huge impact on your ability to absorb calories in the same food eg in fruit the amount of sugar will raise your blood sugar less than the same amount of freely available processed sugar.

In short, the amount of calories contained in a food not does not equal the amount of calories absorbed by your system.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Pink Gregory on September 18, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
I've always been large, but bread has such a satisfying, soporific effect on me that I think I'm just fated to be wide.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: thenoise on September 18, 2021, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on September 17, 2021, 01:57:51 PM
To be fair i've been vegan for two years and i'm the fattest i've ever been.

I'd say vegetarian is the sweet spot for health.

My go-to student meal of a pasta, sauce from a jar and a mountain of cheddar cheese on top is a vegetarian meal, but by God I'd get fat if I ate it every night. And depressed (and fat).

Can't stand the idea of eating seafood, but a pescatarian diet is probably pretty healthy, esp for weight loss purpose. Get a lot of protein in you without a load of fat or carbs etc.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MrsWarboysLover on September 18, 2021, 10:11:07 PM
anyone here saying 'calories in calories out' needs to educate themselves

google 'adaptive thermogenesis'

every single study of calorie restriction where they test peoples metabolism before and after shows that CR weight loss leads to your metabolism slowing down significantly

if i was a big fat guy who ate 3 hamburgers a day, then i put myself on a diet of 2 hamburgers a day, i would lose weight. but my metabolism would slow down.
which would mean if i ate 3 hamburgers a day again, I would actually become fatter than I was before because now my metabolism's slower
So the idea that calories in calories out is a static measurement is demonstrably untrue.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 10:20:43 PM
^ amen. I mean, it's true in a way, but people imagine "calories out" is mainly comprised by physical activities, when a lot of that side of the ledger is boring stuff like increasing your heart rate or raising your body temperature.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: MrsWarboysLover on September 18, 2021, 10:40:21 PM
yeah, and the rate at which those boring things burn calories slows down significantly when you lose weight by restricting calories.
I understand why people are often so set on the calories in calories out idea though; the reality is counterintuitive but it's true.

There was even a recent study about increased exercise causing metabolic slowdown too, because your body tries to compensate:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982221011209

Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 11:02:18 PM
I didn't say anything about people having different metabolisms, or metabolisms changing through weight loss etc - that has nothing to do with CICO as far as I know.

We're now having about 100 different debates so never mind. I'm down 18kg now.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:16:11 PM
Yeah, I've read a lot about weight "set points" recently, where your body learns a particular weight and wants to stay there, so whether you eat less or move more your metabolism, your appetite and your feelings of being full will change all in order to keep your weight constant.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 11:02:18 PM
I didn't say anything about people having different metabolisms, or metabolisms changing through weight loss etc - that has nothing to do with CICO as far as I know.

It has everything to do with CICO. Your metabolism is the major component of CO, even if you're a marathon runner.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: JamesTC on September 18, 2021, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:16:11 PM
Yeah, I've read a lot about weight "set points" recently, where your body learns a particular weight and wants to stay there, so whether you eat less or move more your metabolism, your appetite and your feelings of being full will change all in order to keep your weight constant.

Your body may retain more water by not excreting as much, but it can't retain extra fat or muscle if you are burning it through lack of calories or exercise.

When I started running, I remained at the same weight for two weeks despite working my arse off and being on an incredibly restrictive diet. Then my body kicked into gear and started losing as normal again. This is because my muscles needed to retain more water than normal in order to repair the damage from exercise.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
It has everything to do with CICO. Your metabolism is the major component of CO, even if you're a marathon runner.

The point of CICO is to create a calorie deficit.

People have different metabolisms, and people's metabolisms change in their life. Sure. One person may burn 100 calories faster than another person doing the same activity, for an abundance of reasons. Sure.

None of that contradicts the idea that (for example) if you burn 100 calories more than you consume then (eventually) you will lose weight. The amount of weight you lose, and the speed at which you lose it, will almost certainly differ from someone else doing the same thing, but you'll still lose weight.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:31:49 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 11:26:38 PM
The point of CICO is to create a calorie deficit.

People have different metabolisms, and people's metabolisms change in their life. Sure. One person may burn 100 calories faster than another person doing the same activity, for an abundance of reasons. Sure.

None of that contradicts the idea that (for example) if you burn 100 calories more than you consume then (eventually) you will lose weight. The amount of weight you lose will almost certainly differ from someone else doing the same thing, but you'll still lose weight.

My point is that what you eat can change what your metabolism does.

As an analogy, it's like if putting a certain brand of petrol in your car made it burn fuel even when it was parked.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:35:27 PM
But even if things were as simple as CICO, a calorie of energy is emphatically not the same thing as the energy that your body has the option of turning into either movement or weight.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 11:44:42 PM
Realistically I know the human body is a really complicated machine, and I'm not going to pretend there isn't an increasingly vast body of extremely well verified research out there with increasingly depressing revelations about weight loss, exercise, calories, obesity, metabolism.

As someone who has been successful with weight loss and lifestyle changes, though, I've found it unhelpful to pay too much attention to it. Every single discussion online about weight loss turns into this kind of back-and-forth about what works and what doesn't, carbs, metabolism, fat cells, my aunt tried this and it worked, my mate's mate eats crisps all day so why isn't he fat, etc.

What Worked For Me was upping the amount of exercise I do and lowering the calories I consume, over the long term. That's it. I count the calories I take in by scanning barcodes and looking up estimates online - I know this is only a rough estimate but that's fine. I count the calories I burn with my fitness tracker - I know this is only a rough estimate but that's fine.

Personally, I can't imagine spending the energy to worry about anything else - like the effects of bread, or carbs, refined sugars, good calories/bad calories or such-and-such. I suppose if I did I might have been able to optimise things - lose weight faster, enjoy other upsides - but that to me is not worth the hassle when I just want a simple, sustainable, long-term approach to achieving a healthier weight.

I suppose this is a wilful choice to live in ignorance, but the fact that this is what basically every single country's health organisations tell you to do to lose weight is also reassuring.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:56:12 PM
I think we are probably coming from the same place, and a low calorie diet that's maintainable in the long term is probably also going to be a low GI one and vice versa. Most practical long term diet advice probably amounts to what I'm saying, eg Weight Watchers switching from a calorie counting model to a "points" one where certain foods are 0 points.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Retinend on September 20, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 18, 2021, 11:44:42 PMWhat Worked For Me was upping the amount of exercise I do and lowering the calories I consume, over the long term. That's it. I count the calories I take in by scanning barcodes and looking up estimates online - I know this is only a rough estimate but that's fine. I count the calories I burn with my fitness tracker - I know this is only a rough estimate but that's fine.

Just weighing in to say I agree with you and your side of the respectful disagreement... including that people aren't really suggesting an alternative to the calories-in-calories-out model: the very objections they raise, about certain foods being  ​differently affected by individual metabolic factors, should themselves be expressable in terms of calories - in terms of handicaps or discounts to an overweight individual's calorie "budget" depending on the food group and proportions consumed vs other food groups. I'd bet that these handicaps or discounts, if ever precisely investigated, would be small, however, because people have experimented on themselves a lot with the calorie-counting model, and it doesn't really matter which kind of diet you choose - going over the threshold of 2000 calories, you're guaranteed to lose progress. Speaking from experience.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Cloud on September 20, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
Going to get back on this myself.  Always was the plan from today, but one of the guys at work chimed in with a well timed (but inappropriate and very unwelcome) "wow you're putting a lot of pounds on, absolutely PILING them on, what's up too many pies?". Yeah cheers mate, really helps with emotionally induced weight gain to be slagged off for my appearance by a colleague I have no personal connection with.

Anyway

Cals in/out always worked the best for me.  That and being held accountable, which is where I'm on the hunt for "weekly weigh in" type threads.  Used to go to WW and it always worked for me to have "someone to please".  I mean, really they're just doing their jobs but I react well to "ooh 2 off this week well done!" back-pats or "oops a little on this week but I'm sure you'll get back on track" encouragement.  But that all went to shit with the pandemic, as did my emotional, mental and physical health.  Time to get it back on track.

Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: TrenterPercenter on September 20, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
For thoose looking to loss weight my advice would be no fads or anything like that just reduce your calorie intake between 1/3 and 1/4 and not anymore (so we are talking 500 cals max).  If you can supplement that with some exercise then you'll be well on your way.  Trying to cut too many calories out and eating boring meals all the time is recipe for failure. 

Calories are not all equal; and as TC points out they different and there is some variation in digestion; fats and protein will keep you fuller; carbs will burn off quicker but will spike you insulin making you more hungry.  Hunger is controlled mainly by insulin when you have little insulin in your body you are less hungry (insulin is created to digest sugars[nb]don't shoot me endocrinologists[/nb]; lots of sugar causes dysfunctions around hunger, with you producing excess insulin and feeling more hungry - its complicated and I'm by no means an expert here but the main point is to remember hunger is caused by hormones (so think about how a messed up biologically the impact of not eating has on this system over long periods and you can see how anorexia is the MH condition with the highest mortality; it's not that someones decided not to eat; their body has learnt not to - I'm talk about very severe cases here which are thankfully reasonably rare).

Usually for most people rather than what they eat it is more about portion control; so simple things like taking a couple of spoon fulls of carbs off your plate and putting some greens on is a good technique.  Getting rid of all carbs, just like getting rid of all fat is silly; you need all of these things we've evolved to digest and use different calorie types for different purposes.  Finding healthy foods you enjoy; not just eat because they are low calorie, is they way to go imo why eat a bland piece of ryvita and then end up scraaning a load of other food later because you are so hungry.  Might as well eat things that will fill you up (stuff that is high protein low GI).

Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: TrenterPercenter on September 20, 2021, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: Cloud on September 20, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
Going to get back on this myself.  Always was the plan from today, but one of the guys at work chimed in with a well timed (but inappropriate and very unwelcome) "wow you're putting a lot of pounds on, absolutely PILING them on, what's up too many pies?". Yeah cheers mate, really helps with emotionally induced weight gain to be slagged off for my appearance by a colleague I have no personal connection with.

Anyway

Cals in/out always worked the best for me.  That and being held accountable, which is where I'm on the hunt for "weekly weigh in" type threads.  Used to go to WW and it always worked for me to have "someone to please".  I mean, really they're just doing their jobs but I react well to "ooh 2 off this week well done!" back-pats or "oops a little on this week but I'm sure you'll get back on track" encouragement.  But that all went to shit with the pandemic, as did my emotional, mental and physical health.  Time to get it back on track.

Check out the soup thread my man!

Also tell your work colleague to get ta fuck from me.  Cheers.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: bgmnts on September 20, 2021, 03:25:40 PM
Decided to come off the sertraline because I think it has been causing the mega heartburn and reflux so i'm hoping I might finally shift some pounds if I dont slit my wrists first like.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 20, 2021, 03:28:20 PM
Popcorn are you still with the personal trainer?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: TrenterPercenter on September 20, 2021, 03:35:29 PM
The person I know that had the most impressive and healthy weightloss overtime was a woman at work that just moved to a Mediterranean diet and mild portion control which you'll find stuff about all over the internet.  Not really a diet as such just a healthy way of eating some info here https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/why-are-mediterranean-diets-so-healthy (https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/why-are-mediterranean-diets-so-healthy)
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 20, 2021, 03:37:40 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 20, 2021, 03:28:20 PM
Popcorn are you still with the personal trainer?

I sure am. Just one hour a week of gruelling misery.

On top of that I do a lot of walking and a few hours of cardio in the gym each week.

The personal trainer sessions are worth it for me because they get me out of my comfort zone and get me doing exercises and using apparatus I'd otherwise never dare approach. All the other exercise I do is pretty vanilla and nowhere near as intense.

I also don't think I'd have kept up with the personal training if I didn't have a fitness tracker. It's gratifying seeing the stats improve. That and weighing myself every day has made me a firm believer in the need to measure things and track your progress.

I'm still a bit overweight and have a long way to go before I'm any sort of shining muscle man, but I'm in no rush.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Cloud on September 20, 2021, 03:56:01 PM
Went from 16 stone down to 11 and a bit back in 2014 in something like 6 months, was well chuffed.  That was using WW for the motivation, accountability and some ideas but ignoring their advice to "use up all your points" as I worked out that broadly speaking 1 point = 40 calories and they gave me a budget that would barely have me losing if at all.  Their system at the time (since tweaked to be more pro-protein) was basically calorie counting except for fruit and veg.  Because "hands up if you're here because you ate too much fruit and veg" as they put it, and it encourages healthy snacking if you 'need' to snack.  I'll probably end up doing the same just with calories.

Gutted that I've undone most of that since.  I just gradually trickled upwards as I started enjoying more beers, more nights out etc, and then it rocketed up when lockdown came and a sort of "comfort/emotion" eating took over.

Portion control is indeed very important.  You have to weigh stuff or you just don't know.  The first big revelation I had on that was breakfast cereal - weigh out an actual portion of that (usually 30g) and it's striking how you get an extremely shallow layer in the bottom of a bowl.  Before weighing I must have had getting on for thousand calorie breakfasts in the habit of just filling the bowl up.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: touchingcloth on September 20, 2021, 04:12:18 PM
Quote from: Retinend on September 20, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
Just weighing in to say I agree with you and your side of the respectful disagreement...

I would like to apologise sincerely for anything I may have done that has led people to think that I have respect for popcorn.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: purlieu on September 20, 2021, 04:19:15 PM
For the longest time I was ludicrously skinny - 119 pounds when I started university at the age of 20 - and although I generally put on a little weight through alcohol and slowing metabolism, I stayed pretty skinny (maybe a slightly podgy belly) right up to the age of 30, when my metabolism just gave up and the pounds started piling on. At the start of this year I weighed 204 pounds, while retaining a fairly skinny frame - basically my old self with a beer belly, seven chins and hints of jowls appearing. As someone who's so used to being skinny, it actually made me feel really horrible, even though I was really not dramatically overweight, certainly by British standards. But I knew that if I carried on that way, I would end up being properly fat, and that was a grim thought, so I've spent the year fucking about with different ways of doing things.

I bought an exercise bike, stupidly thinking I could just burn everything off by cycling 50km every day. Learned that that's basically enough to actually keep my weight stable. Then I decided to cut my intake back right back so I was basically eating one meal a day. The combination of this and the cycling enabled me to lose quite a bit of weight, but made me very unhappy and, over time, I began to actually feel ill because I wasn't getting enough nutrition. And inevitably I started eating crap again and put a stone back on.

It's only in the past month that I've managed to sort myself out. Diet-wise, I'm back to three meals a day, just keeping them small enough to be satisfying without being particularly full. I've cut back on processed food, lowered my carb intake, upped the percentage of my plate given to vegetables. I'm trying to have my big meal in the middle of the day rather than the evening. I'm walking more, and timing my exercise to follow about an hour after food, so I have the energy to burn some of it off, rather than the post-exercise deficit being filled by a meal. A 90 minute walk with my dog in the afternoon, and a half hour walk or cycle in the evening. I've already found that having wholesome and healthy satisfying meals has cut back my craving for junk food (and the longer I go without it, the less I want it in general, of course). Not much snacking, but if I do get peckish in the evening, or with a beer, I have a jar with one of those snack mixes in - peanuts, habas fritas, chickpeas and whatnot - and I have a couple of handfuls of that.

I weigh myself each day, post-morning shit, just dressed in my boxers. Some days I don't seem to have lost much, occasionally I've put on the odd pound, but the general downward trend has been really positive. On Saturday morning I hit 181 pounds - my first time under 13 stone in about three years. And the good thing about it is I'm comfortable and happy with the diet and exercise so I don't resent having to do any of it. I feel more confident, and know that I'll be able to continue it long-term and hopefully balance out at a weight and size I'm totally happy with within the next year hopefully.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 20, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 20, 2021, 03:37:40 PM
I sure am. Just one hour a week of gruelling misery.

On top of that I do a lot of walking and a few hours of cardio in the gym each week.

The personal trainer sessions are worth it for me because they get me out of my comfort zone and get me doing exercises and using apparatus I'd otherwise never dare approach. All the other exercise I do is pretty vanilla and nowhere near as intense.

I also don't think I'd have kept up with the personal training if I didn't have a fitness tracker. It's gratifying seeing the stats improve. That and weighing myself every day has made me a firm believer in the need to measure things and track your progress.

I'm still a bit overweight and have a long way to go before I'm any sort of shining muscle man, but I'm in no rush.

I mind you saying you did a workout that left you unable to use stairs - have you done something similar since with less severe results?

Also, out of curiosity (I've been using a trainer a wee while), so you remember what that routine actually was?
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on September 20, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 20, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
I mind you saying you did a workout that left you unable to use stairs - have you done something similar since with less severe results?

Also, out of curiosity (I've been using a trainer a wee while), so you remember what that routine actually was?

I was indeed semi-crippled for some time after my first session with the trainer. Every part of my body hurt and even the act of sitting down became a gruelling ordeal.

That was because I was very out of shape and I'd just done the most exercise I'd ever done in a single hour of my life, and used muscles I didn't know I had.

I'm happy to report that future sessions were much easier to recover from. Your body quickly gets used to it. I still occasionally get sore legs and staircases become a bit of an obstacle but it's nothing as bad as that first session was.

The trainer puts me through a few ordeals each week, but if I'd had to guess the main exercise that did me in was probably the lifty-squatty exercises, this sort of thing:

(http://www.roypumphrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Add-a-heading-44.png)

I still get sore after doing these sometimes.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on September 20, 2021, 08:18:59 PM
I like that (before I fucked things up by posting in this thread) the two threads below this one are "Fish Finger Sandwich" and "Crisps".
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 20, 2021, 09:16:59 PM
Quote from: popcorn on September 20, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
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I still get sore after doing these sometimes.


That's not where you are meant to put the goblet
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on October 26, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
THE PAST

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THE NOW

(https://i.imgur.com/YJMITnH.jpg)
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Retinend on October 26, 2021, 11:54:50 AM
it's like two completely different people, honestly
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Magnum Valentino on October 26, 2021, 02:21:02 PM
Ye're flying low hi. The barn door's opened. Etc.
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: popcorn on October 26, 2021, 02:28:19 PM
A treat for you all!
Title: Re: General weight loss thread
Post by: Cloud on October 26, 2021, 02:35:05 PM
Good work

I've flatlined over the past couple of weeks, but considering it's involved a meal out, a beer festival, a greasy kebab and some misery-snacking, I count myself lucky it's a flatline and not an increase. Onwards and downwards...