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Title: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 08:51:09 AM
Did any other of the boys and girls of CaB see this? He was promoting forthcoming Covid/ Care Home one- off Drama " Help", in which he plays a young feller with early onset dementia. I suppose being a scouser, his terrible affliction will involve him claiming several giros[nb]I know they're not a thing nowadays[/nb] cos he forgets every time he claims one, and stealing an entire car, but leaving the hub caps behind.
Anyway, it was quite refreshing to hear Stephen's splendid Scouse accent in full effect, and I look forward to hearing it and witnessing his top acting skills in this interesting sounding drama. I've already got someone standing by for recording action back in Blighty, but I'm sure I'll be able to watch it one way or the other.
I trust all the other interesting television drama fans of CaB will be giving it a watch?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Norton Canes on September 08, 2021, 09:08:09 AM
Who is this Stephen Graham bloke? Has he been in much lately?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: phantom_power on September 08, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
He is a pretty phenomenal actor so it doesn't bother me that he seems to be ubiquitous at the moment. He is terrifying in This is England
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 08:51:09 AM
I'm sure I'll be able to watch it one way or the other.

I'm sure you will you dirty old bollocks.

I'd be up for a bit of Scouse drama if only it was about anything other than fucking Covid, so I'll be giving this one a miss I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: shiftwork2 on September 08, 2021, 10:31:40 AM
Love the 'scousers on the dole stealing items' hot take.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: ProvanFan on September 08, 2021, 10:36:21 AM
He's playing one of the hijackers in an upcoming 9/11 drama. Accent tbc.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
I'm sure you will you dirty old bollocks.

I'd be up for a bit of Scouse drama if only it was about anything other than fucking Covid, so I'll be giving this one a miss I'm afraid.

But...but....Stephen Graham giving a convincing, moving  portrayal of some poor bloke suffering from early onset dementia, using his own lovely Scouse accent, none of that Yankee Doodle Dandy stuff he pulled in " The Irishman"! Why, he night even make a couple of faces! Come on, missus, give it a watch!
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: icehaven on September 08, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
The trailer for this makes it look like it's just about Covid. I'm not really a drama watcher so probably wouldn't have watched it anyway but I wonder how many people will see the trailer and think the last thing they want to watch on TV is a drama about the pandemic we've just lived through/are still in.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: bgmnts on September 08, 2021, 11:17:43 AM
Haha scousers are cheeky dole scroungers arent they lollll
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Alberon on September 08, 2021, 11:26:50 AM
He's giving it the full scouse in Code 404 the slightly humorous Sky Comedy show.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Chollis on September 08, 2021, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: icehaven on September 08, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
The trailer for this makes it look like it's just about Covid. I'm not really a drama watcher so probably wouldn't have watched it anyway but I wonder how many people will see the trailer and think the last thing they want to watch on TV is a drama about the pandemic we've just lived through/are still in.

yeah can't think of anything I'd want to watch less
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 08, 2021, 11:55:48 AM
Alrite la?


Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Chollis on September 08, 2021, 11:57:20 AM
TREE AND A 'ALF MILLION. ITS NOT A JOKE
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: Chollis on September 08, 2021, 11:35:19 AM
yeah can't think of anything I'd want to watch less

Bloody Hell. Well, * I'll* be watching the fucking thing, anyways. Someone's got to support this country's fine dramatic actors. * makes disapproving face, with a hint of " goofy" to it*
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 12:01:46 PM
Greetings!
( Said like Joey, the lovable Scouser with his Barry Manilow hair and leather trousers, used to say on hilarious Scouse dolecomedy series " Bread".)
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 08, 2021, 12:20:15 PM
Are there any other actors in this TV drama that are worth looking out for?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 08, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on September 08, 2021, 12:20:15 PM
Are there any other actors in this TV drama that are worth looking out for?

Ian Hart is in it too.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Brundle-Fly on September 08, 2021, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on September 08, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
He is a pretty phenomenal actor so it doesn't bother me that he seems to be ubiquitous at the moment. He is terrifying in This is England

He is, but I'm half expecting Stephen Graham to be reading the ITV weather next or appearing on Naked Attraction. Take a month off, Steve, and give David Morrissey some work. He's not been on the TV much lately.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 08, 2021, 10:39:47 AM
But...but....Stephen Graham giving a convincing, moving  portrayal of some poor bloke suffering from early onset dementia, using his own lovely Scouse accent, none of that Yankee Doodle Dandy stuff he pulled in " The Irishman"! Why, he night even make a couple of faces! Come on, missus, give it a watch!

Stephen Graham is indeed a good actor but, as the replies to this thread are reminding me, he is in absolutely everything at the moment, so while I could watch him in this, I could just as easily switch to a random channel and find him in absolutely anything else.

(for personal reasons I would also rather avoid anything about dementia right now, sorry)
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 08, 2021, 01:21:40 PM
He's very small.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on September 08, 2021, 12:20:15 PM
Are there any other actors in this TV drama that are worth looking out for?

No, none whatsoever.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 08, 2021, 02:14:30 PM
Her who what plays Villanelle is in it too!
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: non capisco on September 08, 2021, 02:21:18 PM
Quote from: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
(for personal reasons I would also rather avoid anything about dementia right now, sorry)

Yeah, same here. Made the "mistake" of watching The Father and Anthony Hopkins' bang on performance absolutely wrecked me. I was making sobbing noises like Arthur Fowler when he smashed up his front room by the end of that one. So as much as I think Stevie G is incredible (I think his performance in The Virtues is one of the best bits of acting I've seen in anything ever) I'm gonna have to give this one a swerve for a few years, I think.

Hope you're OK, Blue Jam. It's a fucker, innit?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 08, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
Seen a fair few people calling him out recently due to his repeated dealings with The Sun. Shame as he's undoubtedly a great actor, but pretty appalling for a Liverpool fan and a Scouser to have anything to do with those cunts.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: JamesTC on September 08, 2021, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 08, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
Seen a fair few people calling him out recently due to his repeated dealings with The Sun. Shame as he's undoubtedly a great actor, but pretty appalling for a Liverpool fan and a Scouser to have anything to do with those cunts.

Oh fuck. Hadn't heard of that. Claims to be a Liverpool fan and supports The Sun. In the bin with ya.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: bgmnts on September 08, 2021, 03:34:19 PM
Jesus had no clue. That's a bizarre one.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 08, 2021, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: non capisco on September 08, 2021, 02:21:18 PM
Yeah, same here.

Me three. It's amazing how much it seems to be this and only this Issue Which Has Affected Me that makes programmes featuring it nigh impossible to watch - I've recently rewatched The West Wing and there's an episode of that that I had to skip.

QuoteHope you're OK, Blue Jam. It's a fucker, innit?

It's an absolute cunt of the highest order. Love and solidarity to you both.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Blue Jam on September 08, 2021, 03:51:50 PM
Cheers. Being a dementia researcher makes it hard to avoid this stuff anyway, but in any case I don't fancy coming home from werk and spending my free time watching stuff about dementia. I'm sure this is great and powerful stuff but I'll give it a swerve for now.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: gilbertharding on September 08, 2021, 05:02:51 PM
There is a new series of the excellent podcast The The One Show Show currently recording, so there's a reasonable chance that they will discuss and dissect this episode soon.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 09, 2021, 04:08:00 AM

He's one of my favourite actors ever but it never quite happened for him, did it? I mean, he's worked with Scorsese and Michael Mann, probably did very nicely financially wise from doing two Pirates Of The Caribbean films, and has had some nice supporting roles in good films over the last decade (Rocketman, Tinker Tailor Solider Spy. The Damned United) but he's been in a whole load of very nothingy kind of films, too.

Given how phenomanally good he is (when I first saw this scene in This Is England, I truly thought we were looking at the British De Niro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crrw2Aqu9to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crrw2Aqu9to)) he ought to have had a huge Hollywood career by now - More akin to Tom Hardy's.

Sure, he's done a bunch of prestige TV shows but he should have had an Oscar nom or two by now.

I see he's due to appear in the new Venom movie later this year and, intriguingly, a new big screen version of Matilda next year - Would be great to see him in more films.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 09, 2021, 07:16:59 AM
https://youtu.be/yqHoAPb_XVY

Here is actual footage of what is sure to go down in " The One Show" lore as the most impressive appearance by a Scouse actor, with this one. You can just imagine the young Him Who Played Combo having posters for " Taxi Driver" and " The Godfather" vying for space with the Kenny Dalglish and Sonia posters on his teenaged bedroom wall, can't you? Have to say, I admired the humility, articulacy and really nice pair of trainers of yer man in this video. Must admit, I agree with most of the comments under that video, too.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: icehaven on September 09, 2021, 08:09:16 AM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on September 09, 2021, 04:08:00 AMhe ought to have had a huge Hollywood career by now - More akin to Tom Hardy's.


This will sound brutally shallow but that's not a great comparison as Tom Hardy is/can be a traditionally extremely handsome, buff, leading man type (despite the teeth...) and Stephen Graham can't. Graham's probably the better actor but he's not going to get a lot of the kind of parts Hollywood chucks at people like Tom Hardy because they want someone conventionally very attractive whether the part calls for it or not (and in some of the higher profile stuff Hardy's done like superhero franchises and romcoms it usually does anyway.)
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: studpuppet on September 09, 2021, 09:25:25 AM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on September 09, 2021, 04:08:00 AM
Sure, he's done a bunch of prestige TV shows but he should have had an Oscar nom or two by now.

I think it's because his head and shoulder shape is too reminiscent of a Weeble to be truly Hollywood A-list.

(https://benedge.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/lone-weeble1.jpg)
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 09, 2021, 09:35:12 AM
^ well, he certainly wouldn't get the lead role in a remake of top Michael Douglas film " Falling Down"  !!! 😂😹☻
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 09, 2021, 09:36:38 AM
He's also got that Neil Innes facial thing of always looking quite sad, so no comedy roles for him.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: jobotic on September 09, 2021, 09:45:44 AM
When my son was little Stephen Graham appeared on CBeebies reading the bedtime story. I'd been watching him as Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire that week. Very hard not to feel an air of menace behind the story.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: buzby on September 09, 2021, 11:07:09 AM
Technically, he's from Kirkby and his accent is an example of the concentrated 'Super Scouse' that developed when families from areas surrounding the city centre were shipped out to the semi-rural new estates in Kirkby, Huyton, Cantril Farm and Halewood in the post-war slum clearances.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 09, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Girls who fancy Stephen Graham! Now that you're aware of his provenance, should you see Stephen Graham out and about in public, don't, whatever you do, in a bid to try and impress him by demonstrating that you know where he's from,  approach him and say " I don't half fancy you, Stephen Graham, give us a a Kirkby Kiss!". It means " Headbutt." ( I doubt very much The Actor Stephen Graham would actually headbutt you, a lovely lady, but best to err on the side of caution ,all the same).
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on September 09, 2021, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 08, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
Seen a fair few people calling him out recently due to his repeated dealings with The Sun. Shame as he's undoubtedly a great actor, but pretty appalling for a Liverpool fan and a Scouser to have anything to do with those cunts.

I looked into this a couple of weeks ago when I saw a tweet about it. It seems that he accepted an award from The Sun's Bizarre column in 2007 for best actor for This Is England.

You could maybe forgive that if he issued a grovelling apology for making a stupid mistake early in his career, but it's easy find plenty of mentions of him on The Sun website when he's "exclusively revealed" stuff to them in recent years.

Fuck him.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 09, 2021, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on September 08, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
He is terrifying in This is England

Is that the performance that made loads of people pay more attention to him?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: icehaven on September 09, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
The Sun stuff genuinely surprises me. I mean I don't know much about him but surely anyone famous from within a hundred miles of Liverpool having anything to do with them ever is the professional equivalent of taking an Uzi to their big toe, particularly if it could be construed that The Sun's interest is partly/mostly motivated by trying to win back some favour in that part of the world.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 09, 2021, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: icehaven on September 09, 2021, 08:09:16 AM
This will sound brutally shallow but that's not a great comparison as Tom Hardy is/can be a traditionally extremely handsome, buff, leading man type (despite the teeth...) and Stephen Graham can't. Graham's probably the better actor but he's not going to get a lot of the kind of parts Hollywood chucks at people like Tom Hardy because they want someone conventionally very attractive whether the part calls for it or not (and in some of the higher profile stuff Hardy's done like superhero franchises and romcoms it usually does anyway.)

This is totally true. So maybe not the same roles as Tom Hardy, but he should at least be in gigantic blockbusters playing villains. Just saw that he got third billing in a Tom Hanks film from last year called Greyhound, so I guess he is kind of doing it do a degree.

Quote from: studpuppet on September 09, 2021, 09:25:25 AM
I think it's because his head and shoulder shape is too reminiscent of a Weeble to be truly Hollywood A-list.

(https://benedge.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/lone-weeble1.jpg)

*trailer voice* "Coming soon..... Christopher Nolan's Weeble Begins...."
Quote from: checkoutgirl on September 09, 2021, 12:26:02 PM
Is that the performance that made loads of people pay more attention to him?

I'd say so. It's still his defining role. Can't say for sure but I'm sure when most people think of Stephen Graham's movie roles they think of Combo.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 09, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: icehaven on September 09, 2021, 08:09:16 AM
This will sound brutally shallow but that's not a great comparison as Tom Hardy is/can be a traditionally extremely handsome, buff, leading man type (despite the teeth...) and Stephen Graham can't. Graham's probably the better actor but he's not going to get a lot of the kind of parts Hollywood chucks at people like Tom Hardy because they want someone conventionally very attractive whether the part calls for it or not (and in some of the higher profile stuff Hardy's done like superhero franchises and romcoms it usually does anyway.)

This is true. Hollywood is very superficial in that way. Hardy is your traditional "leading man" whereas Graham is more your "character actor".

So in Hancock Will Smith is the hero and Stephen Graham is robbing the bank. I struggle to imagine how Graham's career could have gone any better in the actual real world that exists. He was in the Irishman opposite Pacino and De Niro not two years ago.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 09, 2021, 12:44:08 PM

I just Googled "Stephen Graham height" and he's pretty small. At 5ft4 he's not as tall as famously short leading men Tom Cruise and Robert Downey Jr. A big performance and camera trickery can make an actor seem taller (Tom Hardy isn't as tall as people might expect) but, assuming that Google result is correct, this is probably another reason he didn't have the career he deserved.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 09, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
5 foot 4?? That's not much taller than Ronnie Corbett!  I am now envisioning yer man , leaning forward in his big leather chair, delivering his humorous monologue ( " So, I was speaking to the editor of " The Sun"....") ( instead of " The Producer").The actress who plays Sarah the Care Worker in the forthcoming drama what he's also in towers over him at a Tall Lady- tastic 5 foot 8.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 09, 2021, 01:27:11 PM
2:1 he rocks up as a seal in the penultimate episode of Vigil.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: ProvanFan on September 09, 2021, 02:27:45 PM
Wobble in the upcoming Playdays film
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: ProvanFan on September 09, 2021, 02:30:43 PM
Comer would make a great Why Bird actually
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 09, 2021, 02:32:25 PM
Could have easily been in the LOTR/Hobbit films. What was his agent playing at? He'd have been perfect as a halfling.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 09, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
He was in Snatch and Gangs of New York around that time mind, not bad for the start of his career.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 09, 2021, 03:51:19 PM
Safe to say he's been typecast as a gangster then, unless it's a British TV drama he's in.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 09, 2021, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 09, 2021, 03:51:19 PM
Safe to say he's been typecast as a gangster then, unless it's a British TV drama he's in.
He's playing a detective in that new Venom film.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Custard on September 09, 2021, 05:44:28 PM
He was good in The Irishman. But he shouldn't have been late for the meeting OR arrive wearing shorts, so he let himself down there
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 09, 2021, 06:52:24 PM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on September 09, 2021, 12:37:22 PM
maybe not the same roles as Tom Hardy, but he should at least be in gigantic blockbusters playing villains.
Should he?

I expect many actors would sell their souls for his career. He might not be a household name in America but, as noted, he's not exactly hurting for jobs, most of which are very well regarded.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: bobloblaw on September 10, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 08, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
Ian Hart is in it too.

plus Sue Johnston, Cathy Tyson and Andrew Schofield.

It's one Ricky Tomlinson away from a Scouse bingo full house.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 10, 2021, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: bobloblaw on September 10, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
plus Sue Johnston, Cathy Tyson and Andrew Schofield.

It's one Ricky Tomlinson away from a Scouse bingo full house.

Nah, needs Victor McGuire for that.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Bronzy on September 10, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on September 09, 2021, 05:44:28 PM
He was good in The Irishman. But he shouldn't have been late for the meeting OR arrive wearing shorts, so he let himself down there

You have to take traffic into account.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 10, 2021, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 09, 2021, 06:52:24 PM
Should he?

I expect many actors would sell their souls for his career. He might not be a household name in America but, as noted, he's not exactly hurting for jobs, most of which are very well regarded.

Yeah, I have a friend in America who has been trying the acting thing his whole life alongside working in bars, and the main section of his acting reel on imdb is his 5 second appearance as a SHIELD agent in Avengers End Game. From his and his friends/family's perspective it's an amazing achievement, but to actually have proper roles in films alongside De Niro, Pacino, Depp and getting on chat shows regularly is a whole other level. We tend to compare less successful actors to the biggest actors, rather than to the vast majority of actors who never make a living from it at all.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 10, 2021, 04:19:00 PM
Perhaps your friend is just a bit rubbish at acting?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: mothman on September 10, 2021, 05:35:15 PM
I'd normally watch this show, it's so very much my kind of thing, but it has that Jodie Comer in it. I can't stand her. She is unattractive, can't act and has only one facial expression.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: bobloblaw on September 10, 2021, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: mothman on September 10, 2021, 05:35:15 PM
I'd normally watch this show, it's so very much my kind of thing, but it has that Jodie Comer in it. I can't stand her. She is unattractive, can't act and has only one facial expression.

There are at least three things wrong with that sentence. Plus she gets to unleash her actual Scouse accent in this. Forget that Eve nonsense. She's brilliant in this.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
they should've chosen another title, there's already a great tv show called Help
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 10, 2021, 06:31:50 PM
And another piece of Scouse media.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 11, 2021, 09:05:12 AM
Quote from: bobloblaw on September 10, 2021, 05:57:45 PM
There are at least three things wrong with that sentence. Plus she gets to unleash her actual Scouse accent in this. Forget that Eve nonsense. She's brilliant in this.

Yus, the only other occasions on which Her Who Plays Sarah The Care Worker in this used her natural lovely Liverpool accent was, firstly, on an episode of " Holby City" a few years ago; it would take a heart of stone for the viewer , upon bearing witness to this clip many years after its broadcast,not to say " Aw, look, It's little baby Villanelle! " ( a sort of Godzuki to Villanelle's Godzilla), and to remain uncharmed by her beguiling delivery of such lines as " been pukin' non- stop for the last couple o' weeks" in those mesmerising Merseysidian tones, and secondly, as a secretary in the 60s, speaking scousely of saucy sapphic seduction in the monologue " Bovril Pam" ( available on dailymotion, with Spanish subtitles).
She might have also used her own accent on that thing she did with Stephen Graham about 10 years ago too, dunno, not seen it.
I am not going to respond to Mr. mothman's comments, because, as all you LAFFs out there know, I am quite a dignified soul, and the sheer ludicrousness of his statement speaks for itself. Besides, I think he was just messing about.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Custard on September 11, 2021, 09:14:44 AM
I think she's great. Was easily the best thing in the dogshit Free Guy, even though it was a bit of a nothing role
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: mothman on September 11, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 11, 2021, 09:05:12 AM
I am not going to respond to Mr. mothman's comments, because, as all you LAFFs out there know, I am quite a dignified soul, and the sheer ludicrousness of his statement speaks for itself. Besides, I think he was just messing about.

Bollocks, rumbled. What was it gave me away? Was it the
Spoiler alert
"I'd normally watch this show, it's so very much my kind of thing"
[close]
? Because I wouldn't and it isn't.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Brundle-Fly on September 11, 2021, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on September 10, 2021, 04:01:24 PM
Yeah, I have a friend in America who has been trying the acting thing his whole life alongside working in bars, and the main section of his acting reel on imdb is his 5 second appearance as a SHIELD agent in Avengers End Game. From his and his friends/family's perspective it's an amazing achievement, but to actually have proper roles in films alongside De Niro, Pacino, Depp and getting on chat shows regularly is a whole other level. We tend to compare less successful actors to the biggest actors, rather than to the vast majority of actors who never make a living from it at all.

To most of the general public, the only way an actor is truly successful is if they're famous for appearing on screen. Not only that, they have to sustain a level of fame to the end of their TV/ film career otherwise they're a has been. Conversely, in the media, a relatively unknown actor only has to appear in a well known TV show/ film and it means they're 'a star'.

eg:- Harry Potter star in double murder investigation. (Translation: bit-part player who had a few lines in a couple of scenes with Warwick Davies in one of the movies has been arrested)
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 12, 2021, 07:48:18 AM
Quote from: mothman on September 11, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Bollocks, rumbled.
Mark E. Smith in1979 considers rewrite.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 15, 2021, 08:18:00 AM
One more sleep before this top Scousers suffering from different forms of dementia airs, drama fans! Aren't you all excited?  A star- studded list of Scousers it surely is, with not only Stephen Graham, but Ian Hart ( who may be playing someone who believes himself to be John Lennon due to the  ol' dementia),  Andrew Schofield ( that feller who played Scully the cheeky Scouse schoolboy on the telly, even when he was, like, 30 years old or something), and, on the Scouse female front we have yer actual Cathy Tyson! Not seen her in anything for a while!
90 minutes of smashing Scouse accents on the screen in a care home- set drama about our old friend,that cheeky little  Corvid! I, for one, am looking forward to hearing  the way , for example, the word " mask" is said all Merseyside- like, with the speaker practically spitting in your face as they throat- clearingly make that " k" sound! I trust all you lovers of Scousedrama will be tuning in!
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Alberon on September 15, 2021, 09:31:53 AM
I don't think I'll be watching that one.

Not unless there's a Scouse Derke in there as well.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: buzby on September 15, 2021, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: bobloblaw on September 10, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
plus Sue Johnston, Cathy Tyson and Andrew Schofield.

It's one Ricky Tomlinson away from a Scouse bingo full house.
She's from Warrington and grew up in Prescot, and as far as I can remember has never attempted to do a scouse accent onscreen.

Andrew Schofield is another Kirkby lad (or 'lid', as the North Face Ninjas round there say these days). He's one of Willy Russell, Alan Bleasdale and Jimmy McGovern's (another Kirkby lad) regular actors.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 16, 2021, 08:53:23 AM
Today's the day! Quality acting! The cream of Kirkby conveying Covid crisis calamity! Scouse accents! early onset Alzheimer's! Sue Johnston doing her Sue Johnston voice! It's all on the box on Channel 4 tonight at 9:00pm! All the boys and girls of CaB who are also siscerning drama fans are going to be glued to ther screens tonight, of course!
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: neveragain on September 16, 2021, 10:29:28 PM
It's high quality stuff but as gruelling as you'd expect.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Custard on September 16, 2021, 11:01:41 PM
Well, the first 90 minutes were good. The last half hour completely shit the bed

Great acting though from Killing Eve and Combo
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: the science eel on September 16, 2021, 11:21:49 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on September 16, 2021, 11:01:41 PM
Well, the first 90 minutes were good. The last half hour completely shit the bed

Great acting though from Killing Eve and Combo

Agree completely.

Hate all that Ken Loach shit, no matter how 'righteous' it may be.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: the science eel on September 16, 2021, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: buzby on September 15, 2021, 10:00:22 AM
She's from Warrington and grew up in Prescot, and as far as I can remember has never attempted to do a scouse accent onscreen.

Andrew Schofield is another Kirkby lad (or 'lid', as the North Face Ninjas round there say these days). He's one of Willy Russell, Alan Bleasdale and Jimmy McGovern's (another Kirkby lad) regular actors.

Scully!
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: neveragain on September 16, 2021, 11:24:42 PM
I was initially unsure about the last quarter, but the reveal of what she was actually doing worked well (for me).
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 17, 2021, 12:30:13 AM
Quote from: neveragain on September 16, 2021, 11:24:42 PM
I was initially unsure about the last quarter, but the reveal of what she was actually doing worked well (for me).

Spoiler alert
I winced when they initially made their escape, it felt so at odds with the realistic tone of the first 90 minutes. But, like you, I changed my mind when her motives became clear. And I don't care how on-the-nose Comer's final speech was; righteously furious anti-Tory polemics are just so rare on TV these days.

Yes, you could argue that Jack Thorne didn't need to spell out his point like that, but I felt he'd earned the right to spew out a big FUCK YOU at the end.
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Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: chveik on September 17, 2021, 01:19:07 AM
i am pained to inform you that Lisa has died from wank exhaustion
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 17, 2021, 01:41:18 AM
I wish this thread didn't have such a stupid title.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: chveik on September 17, 2021, 01:57:11 AM
it's a disgrace really, titillation over such a harrowing tale
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 17, 2021, 02:55:10 AM
It was a good bit of acting from the 2 main characters.
There was no titillation for me though, not without that Russian accent.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 06:08:34 AM
Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 17, 2021, 01:41:18 AM
I wish this thread didn't have such a stupid title.

Not *that* stupid a title, pretty factual and prosaic, really. At least I didn't call it something like " Her Who Plays Villanelle In " PHWOOAR!"vid  Drama", that would have been pretty glib and irritating, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 06:37:55 AM
And I've not chimed in with " She can confine me to a caravan with her for a fortnight any time she likes." This, too, would have undermined the powerful drama what " Help" is.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: the science eel on September 17, 2021, 06:50:34 AM
she so dreamy
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 07:21:53 AM
Quote from: the science eel on September 17, 2021, 06:50:34 AM
she so dreamy

You'll notice she's playing a 20 year old in this, too. 28 years old, she is and then she gets off the bus.When she played Ivy Moxham in top load of bollocks drama series" Thirteen" , not only did she use that Posho Southern English accent she likes doing ( you can tell), but she was 23 playing a 26 year old; she seems quite adept at playing people older than herself, or at least fairly wordlywise types.Here she plays a callow youth who's had a fairly aimless and irresponsible life before taking this job in a care home, demonstrating her top range and versatility.
And yes, she *is* quite dreamy, I suppose. Even in a bin bag tabard.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Custard on September 17, 2021, 09:21:21 AM
I love a bit of Tory bashing as much as the next man, but I just feel it went a bit too silly, with her basically kidnapping him and going to live in a caravan etc

I work in care/support, and I don't really wanna knock the show as I feel it highlighted some major issues that really did take place at the time, and are still ongoing, and people absolutely should be held accountable for that

But when she took him off I just kept thinking how in reality that would really disrupt his routine and potentially aggravate him further. People with dementia, altseimers and similar need routine, and familiarity. She disrupted all that without even asking him. I dunno, something about that just didn't ring true or sit right with me. She's forcing something on the poor man as much as the baldy manager is meant to be (the sedatives)

He tries to leave, and she brings him back. And yeah, you could say he was doing that in the care home too, but least there he had a team of (apparent) professionals trying to do right by him.

The sedation effects seemed a bit OTT, as in reality it's highly unlikely it'd turn him into a complete zombie who just sits there drooling and lifeless, unless they were proper illegally dosing him up. A standard sedative would just slow the person down a bit. Not saying it's right, but sedatives exist to ease the worry and upset for the person, not make him/her a zombie who can no longer move or function.

From what I know in my job to sedate a resident you legally have to go through a doctor or hospital. Therefore a medical professional had evaluated the situation, and then decided what is in that person's best interests. It simply doesn't happen in 2021 that there's a big bad manager who simply decides to drug residents on a whim and for an easier life. It absolutely used to happen, not so much these days, and certainly not legally

I liked it as a drama, and felt its heart was in the right place, but the reality isn't quite that brutal, and her pulling him from his routine and comfort to basically play cards on a hill and eat one slice of mouldy bread each day just rubbed me up the wrong way a bit
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: buzby on September 17, 2021, 09:34:33 AM
I can't recall if this was mentinoed earlier in the thread, but Graham and Comer were exec producers on this. They share the same agent too - Graham 'spotted' Comer while acting opposite her in Good Cop, and put her in touch with his agent, who signed her up (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/19/when-jodie-comer-met-stephen-graham-the-secret-behind-killing-eve-stars-big-break).
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 17, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
I wanted to see his cock when he went in the shower, but we only got to see his arse.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: jobotic on September 17, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
I wanted to see his cock when he went in the shower, but I haven't got a stitch to wear



Might watch this one day. Sounds like the sort of thing they won't be able to make soon.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 17, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
I wanted to see his cock when he went in the shower, but we only got to see his arse.

I think we would all be grateful if you didn't sully this perfectly decent thread with these kind of comments, thank you.

New Page, Like.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 17, 2021, 12:09:02 PM
Eat my shorts.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: ProvanFan on September 17, 2021, 12:17:50 PM
What's his arse like?
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 17, 2021, 04:22:00 PM
Not bad actually. Quite firm and pert for a man in his late 40's.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
STOP TALKING ABOUT STEPHEN GRAHAM'S ARSE ON THIS THREAD! I'LL GIVE YOU " STEPHEN ABRAHAM'S ARSE" !
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: neveragain on September 17, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on September 17, 2021, 09:21:21 AM
I love a bit of Tory bashing as much as the next man, but I just feel it went a bit too silly, with her basically kidnapping him and going to live in a caravan etc

I work in care/support, and I don't really wanna knock the show as I feel it highlighted some major issues that really did take place at the time, and are still ongoing, and people absolutely should be held accountable for that

But when she took him off I just kept thinking how in reality that would really disrupt his routine and potentially aggravate him further. People with dementia, altseimers and similar need routine, and familiarity. She disrupted all that without even asking him. I dunno, something about that just didn't ring true or sit right with me. She's forcing something on the poor man as much as the baldy manager is meant to be (the sedatives)

He tries to leave, and she brings him back. And yeah, you could say he was doing that in the care home too, but least there he had a team of (apparent) professionals trying to do right by him.

The sedation effects seemed a bit OTT, as in reality it's highly unlikely it'd turn him into a complete zombie who just sits there drooling and lifeless, unless they were proper illegally dosing him up. A standard sedative would just slow the person down a bit. Not saying it's right, but sedatives exist to ease the worry and upset for the person, not make him/her a zombie who can no longer move or function.

From what I know in my job to sedate a resident you legally have to go through a doctor or hospital. Therefore a medical professional had evaluated the situation, and then decided what is in that person's best interests. It simply doesn't happen in 2021 that there's a big bad manager who simply decides to drug residents on a whim and for an easier life. It absolutely used to happen, not so much these days, and certainly not legally

I liked it as a drama, and felt its heart was in the right place, but the reality isn't quite that brutal, and her pulling him from his routine and comfort to basically play cards on a hill and eat one slice of mouldy bread each day just rubbed me up the wrong way a bit

In defence of the character of Sarah, she was really at the end of her tether. In writing terms too, it was an illustration of what these circumstances could compel somebody to do. Also, we'd had all the harrowing real-life stuff by that point, there's got to be a bit of character development (or a moment where the plot is defined by the protagonist's actions, rather than having her just sit and cry.)
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 17, 2021, 04:45:44 PM
I liked the bit at the start when Comer got mascara on her face.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
STOP TALKING ABOUT STEPHEN GRAHAM'S ARSE ON THIS THREAD! I'LL GIVE YOU " STEPHEN GRAHAM'S ARSE" !
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 17, 2021, 10:20:54 PM
^ Ignore.I was trying to modify the above erroneous post.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 17, 2021, 10:52:17 PM
You've got arse on the brain sunshine.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 18, 2021, 10:03:30 AM
I really hope this isn't going to be the note that this thread ends on.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: non capisco on September 19, 2021, 09:38:54 PM
Steeled myself to watch this after all and I'm very glad I did, Comer was excellent. I share people's reservations about the events of the last half hour, totally didn't mind the on-the-nose rant at the end though. It feels all the time like the entire media is right leaning and perpetuating the government's malign bullshit on a minute by minute basis so having a mainstream drama end on that note by telling its audience through a proxy character what the cunts are doing and why they're doing it isn't something I feel like being disparaging about. I found its sledgehammer lack of subtlety refreshing and its anger genuine and justified.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: jsgibble on September 19, 2021, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: non capisco on September 19, 2021, 09:38:54 PMI share people's reservations about the events of the last half hour, totally didn't mind the on-the-nose rant at the end though.

The first hour or so was great. Some sharp writing, and while I'm not always a fan of soft focus I thought the look of it was effective here.

The drugging / caravan thing let it down, it reminded me of I, Daniel Blake in giving up a bit on the social realism of it near the end.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: non capisco on September 19, 2021, 09:38:54 PM
Steeled myself to watch this after all and I'm very glad I did, Comer was excellent. I share people's reservations about the events of the last half hour, totally didn't mind the on-the-nose rant at the end though. It feels all the time like the entire media is right leaning and perpetuating the government's malign bullshit on a minute by minute basis so having a mainstream drama end on that note by telling its audience through a proxy character what the cunts are doing and why they're doing it isn't something I feel like being disparaging about. I found its sledgehammer lack of subtlety refreshing and its anger genuine and justified.

My thoughts entirely. Did the Mail and Express review it? I won't click on their sites to find out, obviously. Just wondering.

It was such a blatant, furious, unabashed tirade against Tory cuntery, so much so that I felt quite proud of Channel 4 for airing it.

Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 20, 2021, 08:37:03 AM
I really like how this thread has brought together all the elements what make CaB great; from intelligent, incisive writing in appreciation of what sounds like a high quality bit of drama ( until it goes a bit daft in the third act) ( from, for example, non capisco and Ballad of Ballad Berkley) to daffy, irreverent humour ( Elderly Sumo Prophecy), with a bit of sad middle aged men very publically having a mid- life crisis by pointing out that attractive actress much younger than them is attractive ( some cunt or other).
A very worthwhile thread, I think we can all agree on that.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 09:47:32 AM
Amen, brother.
Title: Re: Stephen Graham on " The One Show" This Past Monday
Post by: EOLAN on September 21, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
Quite harrowing and bleak. Felt it did need that fantasy escapism after the dealing with death. Also contrasting Sarah who was being portrayed and set up as the Villain to the outside world against the ongoing news and political speeches about how everything was being done by the government was I think a good comparison to be made.

I felt a bit more unrealistic or over the top about the bald owners return to the facility. The way he suddenly seemed to take a dictatorial control of the place felt a jump the shark moment in itself but did set up the final Act nicely.