Cook'd and Bomb'd

Forums => General Bullshit => Topic started by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 12:32:14 AM

Title: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 12:32:14 AM
...it still freaks my nut out to this day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 10, 2021, 12:40:10 AM
Tomorrow
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 12:41:12 AM
you've blown your 9/11 load too early buddy
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 10, 2021, 12:42:32 AM
Nothing was the same again... except for most stuff.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: selectivememory on September 10, 2021, 12:43:02 AM
It was a national tragedy though.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 12:44:02 AM
you've blown your 9/11 load too early buddy
by 38 minutes, really could've just edged it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Bronzy on September 10, 2021, 12:55:26 AM
It was a national tragedy though.

What a terrible name for an airline, it reminds me of that tragedy.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 12:56:37 AM
Shit, got the wrong day. This is my personal 9/11.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 10, 2021, 12:58:35 AM
I walked through blood and bones in the streets on Manhattan trying to find my brother.
He was in Northern Canada.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 10, 2021, 01:07:05 AM
I walked through blood and bones in the streets on Manhattan trying to find my brother.
He was in Northern Canada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 10, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
by 38 minutes, really could've just edged it.

You would have been a shit Al'Qaedaman.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mobius on September 10, 2021, 01:12:45 AM
THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED

Wasn't there some new comedy that was airing that day, and got utterly fucked and no one watched it? Maybe a Richard Herring show or something?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 10, 2021, 01:13:45 AM
THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED

Wasn't there some new comedy that was airing that day, and got utterly fucked and no one watched it? Maybe a Richard Herring show or something?

Johnny Vaughan's sitcom 'Orrible.

But it was terrible anyway.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 10, 2021, 01:14:34 AM
THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED

Wasn't there some new comedy that was airing that day, and got utterly fucked and no one watched it? Maybe a Richard Herring show or something?

Armando Iannucci Show
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 01:19:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhonktlXYAIsret.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 01:21:05 AM
You would have been a shit Al'Qaedaman.

No good Al'Qaedaman goes off to soon. Think about it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 10, 2021, 01:23:11 AM
Shit, got the wrong day. This is my personal 9/11.

In your defence, DD tweeted it on the 10th.

What a terrible name for an airline, it reminds me of that tragedy.

I’m old enough to remember simpler, more innocent times when the worst thing on the news was hijacked airliners flying into buildings.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 10, 2021, 01:23:43 AM
Johnny Vaughan's sitcom 'Orrible.

But it was terrible anyway.

I quite liked it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: non capisco on September 10, 2021, 01:27:16 AM
THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED

Wasn't there some new comedy that was airing that day, and got utterly fucked and no one watched it? Maybe a Richard Herring show or something?

Someone once told me David Hasselhoff was doing a live broadcast musical special that he envisioned as his version of Elvis' '68 Comeback and he was giving it the full blood sweat and tears only to find out when he came off stage that the one channel it was being shown on had cut five minutes in to rolling coverage of OJ Simpson getting chased by the police. Dunno if that's true or not and can't be arsed to Google it so let's just say it is.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 01:28:09 AM
Johnny Vaughan's sitcom 'Orrible.

But it was terrible anyway.

The bits with Ricky Grover and his pantomime levels of hardman mates were legitimately funny.

"now if we all follow the rules everyone will have a fun time"
*death stares from the 'mob'*

The best part is the IMDB recommendation system just essentially admitting defeat though.
(https://i.imgur.com/wHptOiY.png)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 10, 2021, 01:28:32 AM
Someone once told me David Hasselhoff was doing a live broadcast musical special that he envisioned as his version of Elvis' '68 Comeback and he was giving it the full blood sweat and tears only to find out when he came off stage that the one channel it was being shown on had cut five minutes in to rolling coverage of OJ Simpson getting chased by the police. Dunno if that's true or not and can't be arsed to Google it so let's just say it is.

Catch's follow-up to their 1997 single Bingo was scheduled to be played on every channel on earth just as the second plane hit.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: non capisco on September 10, 2021, 01:29:55 AM
Catch's follow-up to their 1997 single Bingo was scheduled to be played on every channel on earth just as the second plane hit.

To add insult to injury the song was actually called "Oh No, Not Again".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 01:36:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhonktlXYAIsret.jpg:large)

never gets old
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 01:42:53 AM
i never remember the ridiculous picture until i see it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 01:56:01 AM
this one https://www.deviantart.com/danielarkansanengine/art/9-11-We-ll-Never-Forget-480085323 ?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 10, 2021, 02:17:28 AM
I walked through BLOOD and BONE
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 10, 2021, 02:37:25 AM
No good Al'Qaedaman goes off to soon. Think about it.

You've clearly not talked to Mohammed Atta's wife lol!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Bronzy on September 10, 2021, 02:48:44 AM
Gay 9/11, starring Adam Friedland

They thought they were flying a plane into the twin towers, but it was actually

his ass
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Lemming on September 10, 2021, 02:52:05 AM
Happened to be faking sick to stay home from school that morning. Saw it on the news while flicking through channels and thought "the fuck's all this?". #NeverForget
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 02:55:14 AM
Shit, got the wrong day. This is my personal 9/11.

arguably worse than the original
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 10, 2021, 06:29:46 AM
arse
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 10, 2021, 06:42:48 AM
On September 8th, no-one died
On September 9th, no-one died
On September 10th, no-one died
On September 11th, someone died
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 10, 2021, 06:54:14 AM
Can’t wait for the special Expanded Anniversary Edition
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Mollusk on September 10, 2021, 07:21:52 AM
Can’t wait for the special Expanded Anniversary Edition

Reckon I’ll skip this to be honest. You just know they’ll butcher it with excessive dramatisation and cram in a load of CGI and make it look unrealistic. John McClane making fists with his toes on the plane as the hijack is announced. Wilhelm screams dubbed over the people jumping out the windows while the emotive crescendo of “Chop Suey!” by System of a Down (from the album Toxicity released Sept 4 2001) blares over the top. Morgan Freeman as God stepping on Jabba the Hutt’s tail as he paces about trying to bargain with him about who gets priority when boarding the lifts. Stuff like this ruins the magic of the original, just watch it as it was intended to be seen.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 10, 2021, 07:25:52 AM
Tomorrow

As Bowie once pointed out.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blue Jam on September 10, 2021, 07:35:35 AM
I might watch some boxing on pay-per-view. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/donald-trump-provide-commentary-boxing-match-between-evander-holyfield-vitor-n1278685)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 07:35:48 AM
Can’t wait for the special Expanded Anniversary Edition

"A refurbished 9/11 is on somewhere or everywhere. I have no intention of revisiting any tragedy. I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. Twenty years ago, when the attack was first shown, it had a freshness, also a sense of moral good and fun. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The first bad penny dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen 9/11 over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boy's eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guessed that one day they would explode.

'I would love you to do something for me,' I said.

'Anything! Anything!' the boy said rapturously.

'You won't like what I'm going to ask you to do,' I said.

'Anything, sir, anything!'

'Well,' I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see 9/11 again?'

He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. 'What a dreadful thing to say to a child!' she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: icehaven on September 10, 2021, 08:15:24 AM
We're going to a wedding tomorrow and I really want to ask the couple if they got a good deal on the date because no one wants it as their wedding anniversary, but I don't know them well enough so I can't. Bet they did though.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: DrGreggles on September 10, 2021, 08:19:14 AM
Cheap flights too.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: batwings on September 10, 2021, 08:26:20 AM
THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED

Wasn't there some new comedy that was airing that day, and got utterly fucked and no one watched it? Maybe a Richard Herring show or something?
George Carlin had recorded a special called something like I love it when lots of people die on September 10th which never saw the light of day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: shiftwork2 on September 10, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VVDreN5.jpg)

I’ll never forget the half-hour incineration window for complimentary coffee and mini-muffins.  Om nom nom
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buttgammon on September 10, 2021, 09:00:15 AM
Those events left quite a legacy, especially the script for an episode of Seinfeld (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B50l484pDaMobXI2Wk5CX0NMbkU/view?resourcekey=0-SNjGjqQNeO7e9M6sLGt9Mw) that deals with the attacks that was written by a fan. It's pitch perfect.

Quote
KRAMER

You remember my crazy friend Mo Atta?

ELAINE

The guy you fish-sit for when he goes
to Florida? What about him?

KRAMER
Look at this!

KRAMER HANDS ELAINE A NEWSPAPER. SHE READS.

ELAINE

“The leader of the hijackers has been
identified as Egyptian-national
MOHAMED ATTA.” GET - OUT!

ELAINE SHOVES KRAMER FROM ACROSS THE TABLE.

KRAMER

You know he was always talking about
how evil America was? Eventually I
told him, “Why don’t you do something
about it?” I thought he’d write to his
Congressman!
JERRY

Kramer, he just crashed a plane into
the World Trade Center! He slit the
pilots’ throats with a box-cutter!

KRAMER

Not “a” box-cutter - MY box-cutter. He
borrowed it last week!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 09:05:44 AM
If steel melts at 1,200 degrees but jet fuel only burns at 800 degrees, how come no Jews died on 9/11?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: DoesNotFollow on September 10, 2021, 09:15:28 AM
We're going to a wedding tomorrow and I really want to ask the couple if they got a good deal on the date because no one wants it as their wedding anniversary, but I don't know them well enough so I can't. Bet they did though.

We're going to a wedding tomorrow as well. Seeya there!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Bently Sheds on September 10, 2021, 09:23:33 AM
https://twitter.com/KikiRosecrans/status/1436126923541913602?s=19
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blue Jam on September 10, 2021, 09:24:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VVDreN5.jpg)

I’ll never forget the half-hour incineration window for complimentary coffee and mini-muffins.  Om nom nom

Should have been Kit Kats.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 10, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
These lot set the terrorist attack bar so high with this one that its rendered all the other ones since a bit shit, theres only ever a limited head count driving a van into a christmas market etc. If I was on the payroll as a consultant I'd put it to them they should just stop all this shit and club together to buy an old Russian nuke then drop it on Harvard or somewhere like that
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 10, 2021, 09:27:48 AM
Which tower was your favourite? Mine was the one on the left. Didn't mind the first one overly but when the left one went I thought right that's it, time to proper kick off about this
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Mollusk on September 10, 2021, 09:29:46 AM
Ahh there used to be a song on YouTube by conspiracy theorists that was a parody of “Stayin’ Alive” with the chorus “Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother 9/11’s a lie, 9/11’s a lie”, but it’s since been taken down for copyright infringement. It was legitimately a good song. There was a bridge section where they spliced in the rhythm from “Another Brick in the Wall pt. 2” and chanted “9/11 was an inside job!”, really smartly done. I wonder if I’ll ever hear that song again.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Mollusk on September 10, 2021, 09:31:41 AM
Should have been Kit Kats.

With a sign naming it after the acclaimed metalcore band Four Finger Death Lunch.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Paul Calf on September 10, 2021, 09:40:58 AM
Ahh there used to be a song on YouTube by conspiracy theorists that was a parody of “Stayin’ Alive” with the chorus “Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother 9/11’s a lie, 9/11’s a lie”, but it’s since been taken down for copyright infringement. It was legitimately a good song. There was a bridge section where they spliced in the rhythm from “Another Brick in the Wall pt. 2” and chanted “9/11 was an inside job!”, really smartly done. I wonder if I’ll ever hear that song again.

You might

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBYdRRuLxI
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Mollusk on September 10, 2021, 09:43:40 AM
Holy shit how’d I miss that? Wow it's even better than I remembered. Absolute belter.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blue Jam on September 10, 2021, 09:53:25 AM
With a sign naming it after the acclaimed metalcore band Four Finger Death Lunch.

They'd have to be two finger Kit Kats, silly.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on September 10, 2021, 10:08:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VVDreN5.jpg)

I’ll never forget the half-hour incineration window for complimentary coffee and mini-muffins.  Om nom nom

Pretty insensitive of Marriott to prominently display their logo, looking as it does like two toppling towers, right next to the commemorative mini muffins.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 10:12:10 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VVDreN5.jpg)

I’ll never forget the half-hour incineration window for complimentary coffee and mini-muffins.  Om nom nom

Should have been 8:46 - 9:03. Complimentary five-sided cookies at 9:37, and complimentary coffee at 10:03 in the field out back.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: shiftwork2 on September 10, 2021, 10:17:13 AM
Amazing that this was all over by 10:03.  It’s 10:16 now and I’ve basically scratched my bollocks and put the kettle on.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
Happened to be faking sick to stay home from school that morning. Saw it on the news while flicking through channels and thought "the fuck's all this?". #NeverForget

I didn't even know until I got home. Wouldn't get that now.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 10, 2021, 10:26:16 AM
Really miss 9/11 trutherism, a conspiracy theory that didn't encourage people to ingest horse paste.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
Former president to commentate on boxing match on 20th anniversary of 9/11 (https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-former-president-to-commentate-on-boxing-match-on-20th-anniversary-of-9-11-12401837)

It's what they would've wanted.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 10, 2021, 10:34:45 AM
On a serious note, these two new feature length BBC documentaries about it are really fascinating/riveting/depressing stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z95y/surviving-911

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z8p5/911-inside-the-presidents-war-room

Regarding the latter, I was amazed that they managed to get all the political players from then including Bush and Cheney for a sit down to reminisce about their crimes and how they just had to "kick ass".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on September 10, 2021, 10:37:38 AM
On a serious note, these two new feature length BBC documentaries about it are really fascinating/riveting/depressing stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z95y/surviving-911

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z8p5/911-inside-the-presidents-war-room

Regarding the latter, I was amazed that they managed to get all the political players from then including Bush and Cheney for a sit down to reminisce about their crimes and how they just had to "kick ass".

Yes the Bush one is pretty damning really isn't it, absolutely no introspection 20 years on, absolutely no hint of even a sliver of regret.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 10, 2021, 10:41:52 AM
On a serious note, these two new feature length BBC documentaries about it are really fascinating/riveting/depressing stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z95y/surviving-911

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z8p5/911-inside-the-presidents-war-room

Regarding the latter, I was amazed that they managed to get all the political players from then including Bush and Cheney for a sit down to reminisce about their crimes and how they just had to "kick ass".

The best thing that could have possibly happened to dubya was trump turning up and people forgetting what a pigshit thick chancer he was
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 10, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
The filmed version of the 9/11 musical is out now thanks to AppleTv+, can't wait until this evening so I can watch it and sing along with some of the hits like "That bird looks really big" and "We'll be fine, I'm sure someone will have put a trampoline down there". https://www.avclub.com/apple-tv-plus-shows-off-its-heartwarming-9-11-musical-w-1847576524
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 10, 2021, 10:52:22 AM
Love that all the 9/11 cynicism has been grandfathered into the new, touchy-feely, friendly CaB. Although actually there was quite a bit of an anti-black-humour push at the time (including some irritation at the Morris & Iannucci retrospective that suggested people in the UK were delighted to see America taken down a peg), IIRC. Tragedy + time etc.

Really miss 9/11 trutherism, a conspiracy theory that didn't encourage people to ingest horse paste.

I dunno, a conspiracy theory that weeds conspiracy theorists out of the gene pool sounds all right by me. Run out of patience with harmful, stupid cunts at this point.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Captain Z on September 10, 2021, 10:58:12 AM
Regarding the latter, I was amazed that they managed to get all the political players from then including Bush and Cheney for a sit down to reminisce about their crimes and how they just had to "kick ass".

Oh that's disappointing. When I heard they were getting the old cast back together I thought it was for a new one-off special, not just interviews.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buttgammon on September 10, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Oh that's disappointing. When I heard they were getting the old cast back together I thought it was for a new one-off special, not just interviews.

Yep - not even a cheeky little reunion massacre, it's a waste of everyone's time.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Kankurette on September 10, 2021, 11:01:40 AM
I always felt a bit sorry for people whose birthdays were on 12th September, like one girl in my year. The sixth form common room was like a ghost town the day after.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 10, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
Yep - not even a cheeky little reunion massacre, it's a waste of everyone's time.

The gossip mags reckon that Bush and Cheney are now dating, so at least something good came out of it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 10, 2021, 11:26:28 AM
Just thought I'd link this new vid from DoubleDown News - The One Thing NEVER Mentioned When Talking About Islamist Terrorism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lRwxHvGWQ), very much worth a watch.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buttgammon on September 10, 2021, 11:27:24 AM
The gossip mags reckon that Bush and Cheney are now dating, so at least something good came out of it.

It's in Heat (of Molten Steel) magazine.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Better Midlands on September 10, 2021, 11:42:31 AM
Stupid gag, still makes me laugh - very much too soon at the time.

(https://i.imgur.com/xiHz35p.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on September 10, 2021, 11:55:05 AM
I remember suggesting at work the next day that it would be a nice gesture if the major airlines could arrange for passenger jets to do a very low fly-by over lower Manhattan to show respect for those who died. It wasn’t particularly well received.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 10, 2021, 12:06:25 PM
Bush: I absolutely fucked up an entire region of the planet in order to maintain the American stranglehold on global politics, the campaign of imperialistic terrorism and the ludicrous funding of the military industrial complex.

Now watch this drive.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 12:26:45 PM
Thread of someone digging up a book of political cartoons from 2002 here:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4l0esWUAA_97O?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4oiNLXEAIgTmH?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/KikiRosecrans/status/1436126923541913602
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 10, 2021, 12:31:18 PM
These lot set the terrorist attack bar so high with this one that its rendered all the other ones since a bit shit, theres only ever a limited head count driving a van into a christmas market etc. If I was on the payroll as a consultant I'd put it to them they should just stop all this shit and club together to buy an old Russian nuke then drop it on Harvard or somewhere like that

Ooop! Don't turn on the news.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 10, 2021, 12:51:52 PM
20 years since I got sucked off by a racist girl from Aberdeen.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 10, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
20 years since I got sucked off by a racist girl from Aberdeen.

noun: humble brag
an ostensibly modest or self-deprecating statement whose actual purpose is to draw attention to something of which one is proud. 20 years since I got sucked off by a racist girl from Aberdeen
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 10, 2021, 01:05:23 PM
Morrissey unveils lead single from new album.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: popcorn on September 10, 2021, 01:14:58 PM
Then... they got to em. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viPqtRywnaw&ab_channel=JoeMatar)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 10, 2021, 01:37:26 PM
Wikipedia's list of things that happened on that date makes it sound a real pisser. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11)
Quote
September 11, 1649 – Siege of Drogheda ends: Oliver Cromwell's Parliamentarian troops take the town and execute its garrison.
September 11, 1826 – Captain William Morgan, an ex-freemason is arrested in Batavia, New York for debt after declaring that he would publish The Mysteries of Free Masonry, a book against Freemasonry. This sets into motion the events that led to his mysterious disappearance.
September 11, 1897 – After months of pursuit, generals of Menelik II of Ethiopia capture Gaki Sherocho, the last king of Kaffa, bringing an end to that ancient kingdom.
September 11, 1974 – Eastern Air Lines Flight 212 crashes in Charlotte, North Carolina, killing 69 passengers and two crew.
September 11, 2012 – A total of 315 people are killed in two garment factory fires in Pakistan.
On the other hand, they'll be dancing in the streets of Edinburgh and Glasgow on September 11th: anniversary of the devolution referendum in 1997.

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 01:47:15 PM
Only one more sleep til the proper 20th! Anyone else planning a very early night then getting up at 00:00 to rewatch the footage on a loop while wanking? Something so fucking erotic about when you see the second plane going in and hear the person behind the camera going “arh”.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 10, 2021, 02:01:18 PM
Hark at the anointed ones here. In my day we were only allowed SIX elevens! And we ha no planes for em. Had to walk a mile and a half uphill both ways to get em back to the shack.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Vitamin C on September 10, 2021, 02:04:00 PM
There are still more than 1,000 people whose remains have not been found. Would have been a great day to fuck off and reinvent yourself somewhere.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 02:17:57 PM
Ahh there used to be a song on YouTube by conspiracy theorists that was a parody of “Stayin’ Alive” with the chorus “Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother 9/11’s a lie, 9/11’s a lie”, but it’s since been taken down for copyright infringement. It was legitimately a good song. There was a bridge section where they spliced in the rhythm from “Another Brick in the Wall pt. 2” and chanted “9/11 was an inside job!”, really smartly done. I wonder if I’ll ever hear that song again.

This is still up tho : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UK1xmEas
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cuellar on September 10, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
48 years since them slags in the CIA installed Pinochet and still freaks my nut out to this day
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 02:20:21 PM
9/11 conspiracy stuff seemed dangerous at the time but it looks adorable now.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 10, 2021, 02:25:35 PM
I moved to Canada on the 10th anniversary because all inbound flights to the eastern seaboard were massively reduced and I had no money so I figured I’d mix it with an al qaeda tribute act if I saved 200 quid.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 10, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
I hope that the modern even-more-bonkers conspiracists are equally civically minded.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51441873182_ab50578088.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 02:44:24 PM
There are still more than 1,000 people whose remains have not been found. Would have been a great day to fuck off and reinvent yourself somewhere.

From memory I think there were stories of people did this but were found out. Also people who falsely claimed compensation on family members who were no where near them towers at the time. 9/11 chancers.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: ersatz99 on September 10, 2021, 02:45:02 PM
On the morning of the attacks my boss wanted me to give him a lift to pick up his car from the dealership in Norhtampton. It was a Porsche 911. The type was a 993 (flight 93 crashed into the ground). The dealers were called Arlingtons (name of where Pentagon is). None of this clicked with us until days later when they started to call them the 911 attacks.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Pancake on September 10, 2021, 02:49:26 PM
Terrible business.







Was quite exciting though wasn't it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Beagle 2 on September 10, 2021, 02:51:05 PM
I was watching Neighbours, I remember they waited for the credits to roll before they went over to the newsroom to say a second plane had gone in. First one: not arsed, second one, well okay it's newsworthy but let's see how this shit at Lassiter's plays out first.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 10, 2021, 02:51:16 PM
If 9/11 happened today (or tomorrow, because it's the 10th today) there'd be people livestreaming from inside the towers as they came down, possibly even from inside the planes. Shit, they'd probably be livestreaming as they threw themselves off the towers too.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 10, 2021, 02:52:25 PM
You might

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBYdRRuLxI
Covers That Are Better Than The Original
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 02:53:13 PM
First one: not arsed, second one, well okay it's newsworthy but let's see how this shit at Lassiter's plays out first.

What was Lou Carpenter up to? Must have been serious bother with Harold
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Beagle 2 on September 10, 2021, 03:00:24 PM
Ironically he was masterminding a terrorist attack on the United States of America resulting in a catastrophic loss of human life.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 10, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
You laugh but the attacks had serious ramifications for Paul Robinson and the Udigawa deal.

And for Henry who could no longer take samples of "Liquid Beauty" on a plane, but had to clean the concourse and dispose of them before he was permitted to board.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 03:04:35 PM
halcyon days. couldn't get away with it now
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: ProvanFan on September 10, 2021, 03:06:44 PM
In that very episode, Toby threw paper aeroplanes at the Alessi twins, causing them both to collapse.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 10, 2021, 03:07:40 PM
halcyon days. couldn't get away with it now

No. They wouldn't let you fly a plane into a massive office block now, killing thousands in the process, in case it "upset the families".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 10, 2021, 03:13:53 PM
Susan Kennedy hung her breasts at half mast the next day. Karl pointed out the obvious connotations of collapsing the twins but Susan wasn't having any of it. It precipitated their seventh divorce.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 10, 2021, 03:26:59 PM
On the morning of the attacks my boss wanted me to give him a lift to pick up his car from the dealership in Norhtampton. It was a Porsche 911. The type was a 993 (flight 93 crashed into the ground). The dealers were called Arlingtons (name of where Pentagon is). None of this clicked with us until days later when they started to call them the 911 attacks.

And his name?

John World Trade Centre.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 10, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Thread of someone digging up a book of political cartoons from 2002 here:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4l0esWUAA_97O?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4oiNLXEAIgTmH?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/KikiRosecrans/status/1436126923541913602
lmao at all but especially this one for some reason. Fucking plane has gone to heaven just makes me lose it
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4pAwdX0AEC-7w?format=jpg&name=large)

And the top i dont understand. Well ok i do but its just shit
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 03:40:16 PM
Everyone makes jokes about Joe Biden being old and senile, but the thing not many people know is that he's actually so old he remembers when 9/11 happened. He watched it with his own eyes. That's mad.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 10, 2021, 03:41:21 PM
This is still up tho : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UK1xmEas

Quote
a catchy light rock pop song entitle "9/11 Building 7."

Cool. something light is just what we need!

https://twitter.com/KikiRosecrans/status/1436126923541913602

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-5rrmSX0As_bxS?format=jpg&name=medium)

Must have been a young Ed Gamble.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 03:42:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vXZ0gb2.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 10, 2021, 03:42:43 PM
Thread of someone digging up a book of political cartoons

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4oiNLXEAIgTmH?format=jpg&name=medium)

Fucking hell
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 10, 2021, 03:43:36 PM
Cool. something light is just what we need!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-5rrmSX0As_bxS?format=jpg&name=medium)

Must have been a young Ed Gamble.

Gary Larson has let himself go
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 10, 2021, 03:58:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vXZ0gb2.jpg)

Cowardly removal of the second testicle on the shadow of the second tower.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 10, 2021, 04:07:56 PM
lmao at all but especially this one for some reason. Fucking plane has gone to heaven just makes me lose it
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4pAwdX0AEC-7w?format=jpg&name=large)
Why isn't the plane crying tiny little planes? Don't they know anything about cartooning?

BTW, that Bee-Gees video is brilliant, in hysterics by the end.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 10, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-4olhpWUAUGkw5?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 10, 2021, 04:41:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kwpvb9f.jpg)

This is a collection of songs, song parodies, and comedy bits that I downloaded from peer to peer progs in the aftermath of 9/11.  I posted it a few years ago but the links still good so have at it.  The "Stacy 203" track was the first track to appear, only 2 days after.
Disclaimer: Some tracks might be offensive to some, if you're offended by history then don't download.
(No idea who did the photoshop. Thanks to whoever you are. It seemed appropriate to use for this.)
https://mega.nz/#!JQgxlaTY!bn_ZTzHHV8311JLinD81WrIhdUMs2_GEDPHAlm9j9Qg
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 05:03:46 PM
Do you ever imagine what it would have been like to have been in one of the towers a floor or two beneath where the planes hit? You could just belt it down the stairs and away from fiery death. I bet it would have been just like Krypton Factor. What a rush.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on September 10, 2021, 05:06:48 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/sfWhGDk3/B780-A97-A-C458-4631-89-A0-5-D74031-FD512.jpg)

From The Onion. Those naughty scamps.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 10, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
I've no idea if that Subway ad is real (EDIT: Ah, just seen the edit), but this is...
(tasteless mattress commercial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBc87oKhmQ
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 10, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z8p5/911-inside-the-presidents-war-room

Regarding the latter, I was amazed that they managed to get all the political players from then including Bush and Cheney for a sit down to reminisce about their crimes and how they just had to "kick ass".

What surprised me about that one is that even in a moment of national crisis they still had a guy running around photographing everything the President was doing.

Really good documentary, although it's depressing that Bush clearly has absolutely no ability for self-reflection whatsoever.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: DrGreggles on September 10, 2021, 05:21:37 PM
I've no idea if that Subway ad is real (EDIT: Ah, just seen the edit), but this is...
(tasteless mattress commercial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBc87oKhmQ

Can't believe they went with the take where the mattresses fell over.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Farenheit on September 10, 2021, 05:23:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/shEy1ld.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PNBvNBj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0cTbpaj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/m4nkVro.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on September 10, 2021, 05:24:54 PM
I've no idea if that Subway ad is real (EDIT: Ah, just seen the edit), but this is...
(tasteless mattress commercial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBc87oKhmQ

Apparently some bloke convinced his mate it was a genuine deal and printed the coupon, which was then accepted by a branch in San Francisco.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Farenheit on September 10, 2021, 05:26:19 PM
I've no idea if that Subway ad is real (EDIT: Ah, just seen the edit), but this is...
(tasteless mattress commercial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBc87oKhmQ

The frowning just after the clip by the presenter is fantastic, only to be topped a few seconds later by his co-host.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 10, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
Who was the guy who had that tower seven song on YouTube?

Looking through the 991 songs list on Wikipedia

Quote from: 911 songs=topic=89381.msg4679177#msg4679177 date=1631291179
Monty Milne   America Rocks   Rock Stars Don't Eat Cookies   2001   Lyrics include: "In terrible days and horrible shocks; Always remember that America rocks; When the Enemy aims and the trigger cocks; Always remember that America rocks  h
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 10, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
"sometimes time heals... too much."

The ad itself is hilarious imo. It looks like it was made up for Curb Your Enthusiasm or something
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 05:39:53 PM
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/1c/1by1/2015/09/14/1c9de4803bb75b7aaa329ac7c26b2098_xl.jpg)
Jerry Casale from Devo.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 05:49:56 PM
when you've got jokes with 9/11 in them you can't lose!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 05:52:50 PM
when you've got jokes with 9/11 in them you can't lose!

Because they go down with everyone?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 10, 2021, 05:59:08 PM
Do you ever imagine what it would have been like to have been in one of the towers a floor or two beneath where the planes hit? You could just belt it down the stairs and away from fiery death. I bet it would have been just like Krypton Factor. What a rush.

Imagine blazing fuel leaking from the plane and pursuing them downstairs.  I bet three-minute miles were run that day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Milo on September 10, 2021, 06:06:26 PM
My main memory of the day is being 19 and working in a call centre and I was absolutely over the moon when they announced we could go home for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Twit 2 on September 10, 2021, 06:24:24 PM
Was the call centre in the twin towers?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Uncle TechTip on September 10, 2021, 06:24:25 PM
Those women who won a nightclub Halloween fancy dress competition dressed as 9/11

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/mcs/media/images/70946000/jpg/_70946196_twin_towers_gb.jpg)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24835322

Rosie's nightclub in Chester, so proud. It was widely condemned but I still thinks it's hilarious. Look at it, in some comedy show it would be a classic moment. They went, dressed as 9/11.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 10, 2021, 06:44:07 PM
Because they go down with everyone?

Outstanding. I mean that.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FredNurke on September 10, 2021, 06:56:35 PM
Could also work with the fancy dress picture.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 10, 2021, 07:01:43 PM
I dont know what 911 is
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 10, 2021, 07:08:14 PM
I dont know what 911 is

A boy band.

(https://i.scdn.co/image/0354222edf16d8a86836524a63987ff4275824cf)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 10, 2021, 07:09:39 PM
and the bald one clearly did it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
Imagine blazing fuel leaking from the plane and pursuing them downstairs.  I bet three-minute miles were run that day.

To right. Shits on escape rooms.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 10, 2021, 07:27:29 PM
Had the pleasure of meeting the World Trade Centre towers at a charity do once. They were surprisingly down to earth, and VERY funny.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on September 10, 2021, 07:28:17 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtZ1TTpY/ACE0997-B-7365-4263-AD4-C-61-BDBC9-B202-B.jpg)

Oh Porsche! What a terrible name for a car. Reminds me of that tragedy.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 10, 2021, 08:41:01 PM
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/1c/1by1/2015/09/14/1c9de4803bb75b7aaa329ac7c26b2098_xl.jpg)
Jerry Casale from Devo.
Wow. Just going into a shop and buying 19 box cutters is brave
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Aaron500 on September 10, 2021, 09:14:58 PM
20 years ago tomorrow I found out through talking to a couple of clients that other people had TVs in their offices. WTF, that's next level cushy. We had a radio, and the internet, which didn't really play videos in those days and which went down shortly after the second tower did.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 10, 2021, 09:24:03 PM
I'm always amazed by how shit the offices inside looked.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2497/4083897433_26b31efbb9_b.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/49/78/ef4978b649769a710d2793ce449561b7.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/b4/5d/aab45dc5c998a9a82e5bbea5e8506101.jpg)

If I worked there I would've jumped out of the window long before 9/11!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 10, 2021, 09:31:51 PM
The six year old girl working there looked miserable.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 10, 2021, 09:32:41 PM
The six year old girl working there looked miserable.

I'm always the same on bring your dad to work day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 09:32:45 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2497/4083897433_26b31efbb9_b.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/49/78/ef4978b649769a710d2793ce449561b7.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/b4/5d/aab45dc5c998a9a82e5bbea5e8506101.jpg)

They hated our liminal spaces.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 10, 2021, 09:43:56 PM
I'm always amazed by how shit the offices inside looked.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2497/4083897433_26b31efbb9_b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aqw9cue.png)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/b4/5d/aab45dc5c998a9a82e5bbea5e8506101.jpg)

If I worked there I would've jumped out of the window long before 9/11!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 10, 2021, 09:44:17 PM
I'm always amazed by how shit the offices inside looked.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2497/4083897433_26b31efbb9_b.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/49/78/ef4978b649769a710d2793ce449561b7.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/b4/5d/aab45dc5c998a9a82e5bbea5e8506101.jpg)

If I worked there I would've jumped out of the window long before 9/11!

I had a three week secondment in Manhattan and my office was within 2 blocks of the WTC and I thought “quids in here ferris!” but it was literally the bleakest fucking space I’ve ever been in.

I think it was furnished the same as those photos (only reason I remember it was because it looked exactly like those photos which triggered a horrible remembering) except this was like 15 years later and no one had bothered to update it. Manila cubicles out the wazoo, a complete shithole.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 10, 2021, 09:44:35 PM
Those look like the kind of offices where Selected Ambient Works Volume II is always quietly playing in your head.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 09:47:37 PM
Bleak as they are I'd prefer the more private boxes compared to the small partitions you get in UK offices with even less privacy, or bench desks, as you get in call-centres.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 10, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Having pissed away my life in both, I far prefer open plan offices to cubicles (apart from the ~3 months I had my own little office and I could close the door and drink whiskey and play snake on Firefox).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2021, 09:51:12 PM
there would've been a mass shooting in there anyway
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 10, 2021, 09:54:36 PM
Probably a good thing they knocked those towers down then.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 10, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
there would've been a mass shooting in there anyway

Stupid place to have a school, in the world trade center
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 10, 2021, 10:07:08 PM
One sincere note - the Naudet brothers documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8_yqcdS5JQ) is incredible, for anyone who hasn't seen it. They start off making a film about a rookie firefighter in New York waiting for his first fire and end up with the most amazing footage of the most infamous day in recent history. The only clear shot of the first plane striking the North Tower and the only footage inside the North Tower after it was struck.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 10, 2021, 10:33:36 PM
20 years already? They’ve really flown by

(Probably on page 2 but I can’t be arsed to check)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 10:35:43 PM
20 years already? The years have really flown by

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1200x675/p01lcg10.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 10, 2021, 10:37:18 PM
wow. i will watch the whole thing at some point but this candid footage of the first plane ramming into the building and staying there, burning out, I've never seen before

https://youtu.be/D8_yqcdS5JQ?t=1454
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 10:41:39 PM
I'm always amazed by how shit the offices inside looked.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2497/4083897433_26b31efbb9_b.jpg)

Just before this picture was taken, Peter Mailroom was definitely having a crafty wank.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 10, 2021, 10:45:21 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1200x675/p01lcg10.jpg)

Fair
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 10:49:02 PM
The North Tower was Ha Ha, the South was Boom Boom.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 10, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
I'm always amazed by how shit the offices inside looked.

One of the problems with these massive buildings is they can never afford a refurb. The interior of the pentagon apparently looks like something from the 1950s, because it is
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 11:03:16 PM
Just before this picture was taken, Peter Mailroom was definitely having a crafty wank.

Genuinely thought it was a long-shot of Milton from Office Space for a sec.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 10, 2021, 11:18:21 PM
Genuinely thought it was a long-shot of Milton from Office Space for a sec.

I told them if they take my Swingline stapler, I’ll have to have Islamist radicals fly planes into the office.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 10, 2021, 11:20:31 PM
actual lol
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Pinball on September 10, 2021, 11:50:30 PM
I still can't accept how skyscrapers can be that tall and not (usually) fall down. Nuts isn't it? I wouldn't live or work in one, either pre- or post-911.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 11, 2021, 12:00:00 AM
Am wanking now.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 11, 2021, 12:04:36 AM
One of the problems with these massive buildings is they can never afford a refurb. The interior of the pentagon apparently looks like something from the 1950s, because it is

interesting that the only photos you can easily find inside the pentagon are from the pictures of it half burnt out on 9/11 or from the subway they have

(https://i.imgur.com/Tahfyh5.png)

or this place

(https://i.imgur.com/4dBacTG.png)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Uncle TechTip on September 11, 2021, 12:17:09 AM
Of course you turn up at the Pentagon in full combat. I was just passing by on a mission.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 11, 2021, 01:06:11 AM
Cheap flights too.

Which is weird, considering probably no terrorists with ambition would want to do something that'll be immediately overshadowed by the original on the same date.


September 11th is most likely one of the safest dates to fly, to be honest.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Hundhoon on September 11, 2021, 01:21:36 AM
I was in the World Trade Centre on 2nd January 2001, it was the North tower, I was 15, I was in New York Xmas/new year 2000-2001 .
It was a bit like Canary Wharf in London there was a subway and shopping centre underneath it, I remember reaching the lobby there being this green carpet, not realizing where I was, when I went outside I looked up and realized where I was. It was cloudy and overcast freezing New York January, got pics of me outside some fountain in front of it.
The buildings were so huge, way bigger than anything in Europe, I cant imagine how terrifying it must have been to be close to those gargantuan buildings that day.
I have seen a photo online almost exactly where I was standing 8 months later and you can can see blood and human head in it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 11, 2021, 03:09:04 AM
Blood and human head. Crikey.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 11, 2021, 07:42:41 AM
interesting that the only photos you can easily find inside the pentagon are from the pictures of it half burnt out on 9/11 or from the subway they have

(https://i.imgur.com/Tahfyh5.png)

or this place

(https://i.imgur.com/4dBacTG.png)

Turns out they have renovated it, it took 17 years and cost $4.5 billion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Renovation_Program
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buttgammon on September 11, 2021, 08:44:44 AM
Turns out they have renovated it, it took 17 years and cost $4.5 billion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Renovation_Program


Bit excessive for a branch of Subway.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: studpuppet on September 11, 2021, 09:55:18 AM
The North Tower was Ha Ha, the South was Boom Boom.

And if you count the Pentagon and US Flight 93. (https://youtu.be/nUUyFrHERpU?t=13)

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blue Jam on September 11, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Wasn't Sarah Ferguson stuck in traffic and late for a meeting at the WTC when the first plane hit? I bet Fergs is feeling a bit creeped out right now. Not because of 9/11, but because of who her ex-husband is.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Twit 2 on September 11, 2021, 10:49:45 AM
Blood and human head. Crikey.

BLOOD AND BONES
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 11, 2021, 10:52:02 AM
I have seen a photo online almost exactly where I was standing 8 months later and you can can see blood and human head in it.

Where were you standing 8 months later that had blood and human head in it?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 10:53:42 AM
Well wherever anybody stands has a human head in it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 11, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
And blood.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 10:56:00 AM
Can't always see that though
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: markburgle on September 11, 2021, 11:55:55 AM
I still can't accept how skyscrapers can be that tall and not (usually) fall down. Nuts isn't it? I wouldn't live or work in one, either pre- or post-911.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article19989986.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_UNSEEN-911-IMAGES.jpg)

You see all that stuff in there Pinball? That's why your skyscraper never worked
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 11, 2021, 12:26:46 PM
wow. i will watch the whole thing at some point but this candid footage of the first plane ramming into the building and staying there, burning out, I've never seen before

https://youtu.be/D8_yqcdS5JQ?t=1454

The only video of the first plane hit, genuinely incredible chance piece of footage. I guess post-2010ish there'd be a load of them from different angles from people having their smartphones aimed at the WTC 24/7.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Ombudsman on September 11, 2021, 12:45:08 PM
I listened to the Howard Stern show of the day it happened recently. Felt rather revolted at it to be honest. Be interested to hear others take on it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 12:45:39 PM
I'd say it's not unlikely that at least one professional camera would be filming outdoors with the towers in view at any given time in NYC in 2001 (and as they say, it's a weird thing to hear a plane in NYC hence why they catch it), there's no chance now it'd be missed. Dashcams particularly catch things like this nowadays.

What is a massive coincidence is it being firemen though
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 11, 2021, 12:49:07 PM
I listened to the Howard Stern show of the day it happened recently. Felt rather revolted at it to be honest. Be interested to hear others take on it.

It's awful, although I can forgive it considering the situation at the time (and Stern being from NYC). If he's still saying that shit now, different story.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 11, 2021, 01:05:36 PM
Imagine the conspiracy theories if there was no footage of the first plane hitting.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 01:08:11 PM
Oh yes, how convenient that there was footage so there wouldn't be any conspiracy theories about how there wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 01:34:22 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialPLT/status/1436600412140937223

My favourite thing is how they scheduled it to go out at 9am
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 11, 2021, 01:40:54 PM
They say 'Never Forget' yet I spoke to my sister this morning and mentioned about it being 20 years since it happened and she replied, "Oh, is that today? I didn't know".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 01:45:26 PM
The BBC have an article called What Happened on 9/11?

I've wondered that too. I mean,  you hear people going on about it and that
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: justin_bennett on September 11, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
I've hunted the flat high and low for my copy of the Iannucci / Morris post-9/11 Observer supplement but it's nowhere to be found.  Anyone got scans?

*EDIT*. Found 'em:

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris1.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris2.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris3.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris4.pdf
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 11, 2021, 02:07:42 PM
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article19989986.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_UNSEEN-911-IMAGES.jpg)

You see all that stuff in there Pinball? That's why your skyscraper never worked

imagine how messy your bedroom would be if you had to store all that in it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 02:16:13 PM
I've hunted the flat high and low for my copy of the Iannucci / Morris post-9/11 Observer supplement but it's nowhere to be found.  Anyone got scans?

*EDIT*. Found 'em:

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris1.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris2.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris3.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris4.pdf

i only really remembered the bit about Stephen Fry in that. His Bafta's thing really was awful.

That said, through all the horror, Kingdom did help.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 11, 2021, 02:30:08 PM
The frowning just after the clip by the presenter is fantastic, only to be topped a few seconds later by his co-host.

Especially given that his brother has had to resign as Mayor of New York for being a wrong 'un.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 11, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
I listened to the Howard Stern show of the day it happened recently. Felt rather revolted at it to be honest. Be interested to hear others take on it.
I can't be too judgemental about it personally. There's some horrible stuff in there but it's an instant reaction to the most shocking thing that could happen in the city where they all live and where they're recording that show. What's insightful is that they barely even consider terrorism before the second plane hits - one person mentions it but I'm not sure it was really on their radar. Nowadays it would be the first thought. Once the second plane hits it's pure shock and that's why they react that way; it's fear laced with anger, that they're all under attack and feeling like it's the start of World War III. To me it's just a fascinating document of that day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 11, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
I listened to the Howard Stern show of the day it happened recently. Felt rather revolted at it to be honest. Be interested to hear others take on it.

I was listening to it yesterday.  The reactions are understandable really, plus it's Stern.

I discovered my copy (downloaded from the Stern ng on the day) was only the 1st 5 hours, so had to go looking on youtube for the rest... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wI6ntwOH30 ...anyone wanting to listen later grab it now because Howard likes to play whack-a-mole with the youtube uploads.

I have a cd with his shows from Sept 12,13 & 14 which I wanted to listen to to see how the following days shows went down, but the cd's gone bad so if anyone has those let me know!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 11, 2021, 03:01:50 PM
I've hunted the flat high and low for my copy of the Iannucci / Morris post-9/11 Observer supplement but it's nowhere to be found.  Anyone got scans?

*EDIT*. Found 'em:

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris1.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris2.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris3.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris4.pdf

Cheers, I never even knew this existed. At the risk of sounding like Jim Davidson - or worse - Graham Linehan: I can’t quite imagine that being published these days.

EDIT: By which I mean: in the wake of something on the scale of 9/11 if it were to occur in the present day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 11, 2021, 03:34:55 PM
This is a 3-and-a-half-hour recording from Talk Radio, although it starts just after 5pm UK time which is 90 minutes after the 2nd tower fell.
https://mega.nz/#!baZRASIK!NglB6PL-ZtlcsO-GLeIqfb4yTLY-Sxk_x6dc-P4fAPk
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: justin_bennett on September 11, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
Chris Korda - I Like To Watch (https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/misc/I_Like_to_Watch.mp4)

Quote
Description:

"I Like to Watch" is a four-minute music video which explores the connections between the September 11 attacks, professional sports, and pornography. It's often understood as a critique of the voyeurism inherent in mass media, but this wasn't the original intent. The video simply attempts to capture the author's personal experience of watching the attacks on TV, including childish glee, vindictiveness, perverse fascination, and sexual arousal.

The video also frames the attacks as Freudian drama on a national scale. The towers are phallic, and the gashes made by the planes are vaginal. The violent penetrations ultimately deflate and invert the towers, in a forced transsexual surgery that emasculates America.

"I Like to Watch" was released on the Internet on December 11, 2001, and received over one million downloads within two weeks. By the end of the month, even the Washington Post referred to the 9-11 footage as a "money shot" and called it "our new porn" [12/31/2001, Page C1]. The music was distributed on vinyl by Null Records (Berlin) in September 2002.

^^ NSFW just in case you were wondering. 
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 11, 2021, 03:45:24 PM
In the days following 9/11, I remember people saying "This is something we'll never be able to make jokes about - It's too devestating for humour". Within two weeks, before September was even over, I recieved a text saying "To commemorate the victims of the terrorist attack in New York, McDonalds are introducing a new dessert - A Big Apple Crumble".

If Twitter had been around back then it would have taken less than 24 hours for the jokes to start circulating.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 11, 2021, 04:05:50 PM
I was still in school. There were the same jokes the following morning. I think you may have misremembered.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 11, 2021, 04:09:50 PM
I remember the jokes on CaB on the day, as it unfolded. Predictably a lot of "Chris Morris's latest stunt has gone too far" type fare (the Brass Eye Special controversy wasn't that long before), and for some reason remember TJ telling people to stop it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 11, 2021, 04:11:18 PM
As I've mentioned before we all laughed when my mate thought the Twin Towers meant Wembley and the Pentagon was the shopping centre in Chatham.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Captain Z on September 11, 2021, 04:15:11 PM
We walked home from 6th form knowing that planes had hit the WTC and Pentagon, but before we'd seen any footage or the towers had collapsed. Even then we were joking about what might now be shouted instead of "GET ME THE PENNAGON" in clichéd action films.

Within a couple of days I received a 'viral' SMS message formatted to appear to be sent from Osama Bin Laden on Nokia phones.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 11, 2021, 04:17:24 PM
My bold. I didn't know this story.
Quote
When American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower, Stanley Praimnath started to evacuate from his 81st floor office in the South Tower, but he returned when the building's security guards said the South Tower was secure, and workers should return to their offices. Soon after he reentered his office, United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the building. The left wing sliced through his office and became lodged in a door 20 feet (6 m) from him. Praimnath was bruised and exhausted, and covered in debris after the crash, which left him stuck and unable to escape on his own.

While Praimnath called for help, Euro Brokers executive Brian Clark, from the 83rd floor, and a group of his coworkers were debating in the stairwell whether to descend through the impact zone using the stairwell, which they had been told was impassable, or to climb to the roof. Clark heard Praimnath's cries for help, and made his way to him by using his flashlight and following his voice. As Clark was on his way to find Praimnath, he looked back towards his coworkers and saw they had decided to climb up the stairs instead of going down. Because of the decision to ascend the stairs, all of Clark's coworkers were killed, except for one, Ron DiFrancesco, who reversed course.

Once Clark had found Praimnath, the two men made their way to the stairwell, which Clark had already been told was blocked further down. However, Clark and Praimnath wanted to see for themselves if the stairs were really impassable. They descended the stairs, and while there was debris in some spots, the two men were able to get through it and continue down the stairs and out of the building. They were two of only eighteen survivors from at or above the impact zone in the South Tower. After the two men had made it outside and walked two blocks away from the South Tower, they stopped and looked back at the building they had just exited, and Praimnath said to Clark, "You know, I think that building can come down." Clark was in the midst of replying, "Those are steel structures, there's no way—", when he was cut off by the South Tower starting to collapse.

As the dust cloud from the collapsing South Tower approached them, they ran south and entered 42 Broadway as the wave caught up to them. Inside that lobby they exchanged business cards. Clark made his way home to New Jersey; Praimnath went to the hospital for his injuries. Later on that evening, after midnight, when Praimnath had finally gotten home from the hospital, he called Clark to find out what had happened to him. The two men, who had never met before 9/11, remain friends and have appeared on numerous shows and documentaries telling their story.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Captain Z on September 11, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Quote
the building's security guards said the South Tower was secure, and workers should return to their offices.

Mind-boggling. How could you possibly say this with any confidence.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLm3pkAiJQ

Yessssss! x18
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blue Jam on September 11, 2021, 04:25:44 PM
I remember "The Smokehammer", don't think I've got my copy anymore.

Wasn't that the reason why the Warp Records forum shut down? I vaguely remember some Americans on there were angered at Warp putting out the Blue Jam album (and maybe at Warp Films putting out My Wrongs too) and then when one of Warp's founders died of cancer they started posting jokes about it in a "see how you like it" kind of way. I don't know if that was ever officially confirmed as the reason though.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 11, 2021, 05:02:17 PM
Mind-boggling. How could you possibly say this with any confidence.
Fair but I think the logic was that they didn't want to cause a rush and potentially block people trying to get out of the North Tower. Entirely possible they weren't certain exactly what had happened either.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Farenheit on September 11, 2021, 05:32:16 PM
I listened to the Howard Stern show of the day it happened recently. Felt rather revolted at it to be honest. Be interested to hear others take on it.

WFMU's Air Check (https://wfmu.org/playlists/AC) program has a compilation of clips (https://wfmu.org/flashplayer.php?version=3&show=106216&archive=205041) from different New York radio stations as the day unfolds. There may well be some Stern on there (not really sure what he sounds like), there's certainly some scary talk towards the end.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 11, 2021, 05:38:00 PM
Does anyone remember if you typed some letters/numbers (purporting to be the flight number) in Word 97 then changed the font into Wingdings it was all sinister planes and skulls and crossbones.

Makes u think.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 05:39:28 PM
This is an interesting unedited video 20 odd minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By3gggsW2k0

Tower collapses at 16:48

You I didn't realise the North Tower was hit first but collapsed second. This video does show the angle it went in at does make it more severe on the structure. You can see molten metal pouring out at one point.

Fair on the cops, they were right to get people to move away. Even when it's fully collapsed no one seems to realise the dust cloud IS going to engulf where they're all standing.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 11, 2021, 06:06:08 PM
Does anyone remember if you typed some letters/numbers (purporting to be the flight number) in Word 97 then changed the font into Wingdings it was all sinister planes and skulls and crossbones.

Makes u think.
Sadly all fake. You had to type Q33NY to see a plane hit the "towers" and Jews die (or become pirates), but that has nothing to do with the attacks.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wingdings/

You should see what happens if you type JEREMY CORBYN 4 PM though!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 11, 2021, 06:22:37 PM
They say 'Never Forget' yet I spoke to my sister this morning and mentioned about it being 20 years since it happened and she replied, "Oh, is that today? I didn't know".

If people can forget this they will forget Queen Elizabeth once she has passed on


fingers crossed, everybody.  believe
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 11, 2021, 06:30:16 PM
Woke GWB reminding us to bash the fash, who could have predicted that message.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 11, 2021, 06:37:49 PM
This is an interesting unedited video 20 odd minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By3gggsW2k0

Tower collapses at 16:48

You I didn't realise the North Tower was hit first but collapsed second. This video does show the angle it went in at does make it more severe on the structure. You can see molten metal pouring out at one point.

Fair on the cops, they were right to get people to move away. Even when it's fully collapsed no one seems to realise the dust cloud IS going to engulf where they're all standing.
There's so much footage like that on YouTube, it is possible to get lost in it. This page (https://www.youtube.com/c/WTCFOIAVideos/videos) has uploaded 121 videos.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 11, 2021, 06:51:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lCdAvtn.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 11, 2021, 06:57:26 PM
There's hardly even any 9/11 documentaries on the telly tonight - the only one I saw was on Sky History! When did that stop happening? 20 years and they can't even put out some good docs. I guess it's been done to death though. Maybe they could put on Loose Change for a change-of-pace
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 11, 2021, 07:03:22 PM
On Now TV there's an entire 9/11 documentary section. They're not mucking about.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: pigamus on September 11, 2021, 07:04:33 PM
Thought this was interesting
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sneha-philip-mystery-disappeared-9-11-b1917381.html
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Head Gardener on September 11, 2021, 07:19:46 PM
https://911realtime.org/ (https://911realtime.org/)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 11, 2021, 07:21:54 PM
Honestly think they should get over it now.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 11, 2021, 07:26:18 PM
Thought this was interesting
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sneha-philip-mystery-disappeared-9-11-b1917381.html

Ugh, fucking ad blockers. This is why the terrorists won.

What I keep remembering was that the whole world sympathised with America… and then the Yanks systematically pissed on all that goodwill as soon as they could. I had an early inkling of the way the world was going to change when a (granted, conservative American) poster on a Star Trek forum I used to visit said, just after the second tower collapsed:

Quote
Find them. Find them and KILL them, their friends, their families, and everybody who has contact with them. To hell with international law, and 'civilization,' it's time to treat these monsters the way THEY act.

I've never considered genocide an acceptible act... but I'm beginning to waver.

And that feeling I had was cemented when American columnist and humourist James Lileks (also a conservative, but not overtly so)  blogged (http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/01/0901/091301.html) on the 13th about how many flags are considered acceptable to fly outside one’s house:

Quote
A friend put up three flags last Fourth. A neighbor called him up and complained: "too many flags." The flags bothered him. Three flags. On the Fourth.

Those days, I think, are done.

I felt a chill go through me when I read that. It’s just a few words, could be read any way, but to me it sounded… satisfied. A smugness that a certain way of thinking is going to reign supreme. It felt at odds with the whimsy that characterised much of his writing; I started going off him after that.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Head Gardener on September 11, 2021, 07:30:19 PM
(https://thumbnailer.mixcloud.com/unsafe/600x600/extaudio/3/1/b/0/70ef-148f-429e-bd7d-68da107b21b8.jpg)

Bowie  :  Future Legend
The White Stripes  :  Dead Leaves & The Dirty Ground
Guided By Voices  :  Now To War
Soul Coughing  :  Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago
Eardrum  :  Escape From Evil
Underworld  :  Mmm.. Skyscraper I Love You
Bomb The Bass  :  Dark Heart ~ Sabres Mix
Revolutionary Corps Of Teenage Jesus  :  Daddy Died
David Holmes  :  Don’t Die Just Yet
Techno Animal  :  Freefall

https://www.mixcloud.com/Gardener/twin-towers-memorial-mix/ (https://www.mixcloud.com/Gardener/twin-towers-memorial-mix/)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: pigamus on September 11, 2021, 08:01:06 PM
Ugh, fucking ad blockers. This is why the terrorists won.

Sorry, I've been using Duck Duck Go which is great for dealing with its fuckery, I forgot how it's the worst website in the world otherwise
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 11, 2021, 08:14:24 PM
I should really just add the Indescribablyboring as an exception but I can’t be arsed.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 11, 2021, 08:18:04 PM
obama was 'woke' according to the spiked online boffins. cancel culture claimed its first victims that morning :(
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Uncle TechTip on September 11, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
I played the video thinking it would be CCTV of the lady. Turns out it was a man in a supermarket injecting a different woman with a syringe containing his own semen. Back back back
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 11, 2021, 08:35:56 PM
Fucking Guardian cunts being controversial as usual, arguing the Twin Towers shouldn't have been knocked down (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/11/new-york-trade-center-twin-towers).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 08:51:51 PM
There's so much footage like that on YouTube, it is possible to get lost in it. This page (https://www.youtube.com/c/WTCFOIAVideos/videos) has uploaded 121 videos.
thanks. quality on this one is outstanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWjjIu-x_U

god i know the two holes so well after staring at them all day now.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Beagle 2 on September 11, 2021, 08:54:51 PM
https://911realtime.org/ (https://911realtime.org/)

This doesn't seem to work. It looks like it might be great if it did!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 11, 2021, 08:56:25 PM
thanks. quality on this one is outstanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWjjIu-x_U

god i know the two holes so well after staring at them all day now.

dirty old bollocks
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 09:05:47 PM
dirty old bollocks
cant say i didnt see it coming
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 09:09:31 PM
This doesn't seem to work. It looks like it might be great if it did!
it's a bit of an odd interface, being oldey timey Mac. didnt work on android but does on Chrome Windows 10. Interesting to see on CNN the anchor was completely incredulous that a building like that could fall down without it being detonated from the foundations, but the man down the line convinces him he saw the top stages buckle and pull down the whole thing.

The rapid critical failure and total collapse still does freak my nut out to this day. I do believe the Al-Qaeda line that they didn't expect them to fully collapse. I mean, I think they saw it as a bonus, but in no way did they understand the structural flaw of a hollow core when choosing the target.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 11, 2021, 09:11:14 PM
cant say i didnt see it coming

dirty old bollocks
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 11, 2021, 09:13:55 PM
thanks. quality on this one is outstanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWjjIu-x_U

god i know the two holes so well after staring at them all day now.
No problem, this thread's made me realise I know a little too much about 9/11. Recommending documentaries and YouTube footage channels like a fucking weirdo.

Yeah the quality on that one is surprisingly great for 2001. I don't know if it's seen in that video but there is footage of a woman right at the front of one of the holes waving. Lord knows where she was when the plane hit, and she's quite hard to spot (that's when you get the perspective of how huge those buildings were, when people look like dots even when it's zoomed in).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Head Gardener on September 11, 2021, 09:20:31 PM
This doesn't seem to work. It looks like it might be great if it did!

yes, it's fine here
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 09:22:48 PM
dirty old bollocks
this is like the plane hitting the south tower
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 11, 2021, 09:26:43 PM
this is like the plane hitting the south tower

hilarious?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: riotinlagos on September 11, 2021, 09:32:11 PM
9/11 shot on Super-8 is extra spooky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_TC6zLtPo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_TC6zLtPo)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 09:36:32 PM
hilarious?
unexpected and sexy
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 11, 2021, 09:55:21 PM


https://twitter.com/BRYN_BORANGA/status/1436600091746373634 (https://twitter.com/BRYN_BORANGA/status/1436600091746373634)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: ColinPopshed on September 11, 2021, 09:56:27 PM
I’d taken the day off and first heard about it on the BBC website. I then put my tv on in my room and just caught the second tower being hit.

The night before I’d watched Die Hard 3, which made me feel odd - a depiction of terror attacks in NYC had now been made real, yet far more catastrophic.

As I sat there on the end of my bed I noticed the DVD case for it was lying open next to me. The chapter sleeve background was a pic of the twin towers with fire photoshopped into the background. Meaningless but again just added to the unreal feeling of it all at the time.

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 11, 2021, 10:08:22 PM
The situation I'd say is eggs over easy for the Germans, eggs over not bad for the Japanese and eggs over pretty grim for the Russians.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 11, 2021, 11:21:09 PM
gotta hand it to them
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 11, 2021, 11:58:22 PM
you really do
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 01:13:37 AM
Jeremy Irons did it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 12, 2021, 01:20:20 AM
Jeremy Irons doesn’t melt steel girders!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 12, 2021, 01:23:16 AM
Jeremy Irons did it

which one?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 01:29:05 AM
shit how did he do two, mans a genius no wonder he pulled it off
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 12, 2021, 01:32:07 AM
shit how did he do two, mans a genius no wonder he pulled it off

Well there are two Jeremy Ironses, we know this from that documentary about them when they became doctors.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 01:34:12 AM
There's Jeremy then there's his brother, "I, Ron S. Jeremy Irons"
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 12, 2021, 01:37:06 AM
There's Jeremy then there's his brother, "I, Ron S. Jeremy Irons"

(https://cdn.britannica.com/75/193575-050-4F8FF4BE/Jeremy-Irons-Beverly-film-Genevieve-Bujold-Elliot.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 01:38:04 AM
two of them, parallels
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 01:57:19 AM
Jet fuel melts irons' beam.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 01:58:18 AM
Did anyone check up with Tommy Steel on September 12th
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 02:04:28 AM
he was still a cunt
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 12, 2021, 02:05:16 AM
Like all Americans, we watched the horrific events of 9/11 and understand the important role Flash played in helping media organizations depict and tell the stories of that tragic day.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 02:08:21 AM
(https://i.skyrock.net/6692/39176692/pics/1718601652.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 12, 2021, 02:08:48 AM
Like all Americans, we watched the horrific events of 9/11 and understand the important role Flash played in helping media organizations depict and tell the stories of that tragic day.

Gotta give props to Apple's obstinance in killing that baby; probably the best gift they've given non-apple users.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 02:12:35 AM
What about realplayer
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 12, 2021, 02:14:59 AM
Quicktime claimed responsibility for 7/7 iirc
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 12, 2021, 02:15:19 AM
What about realplayer

They fucked it by doing the antivirus thing of branching out, over-complicating everything and not doing one job well.

Same thing happened to photocopiers.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 02:16:02 AM
rotten went down that day in solidarity
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on September 12, 2021, 02:19:21 AM
Feeling a bit 9/12 now lads
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 02:22:49 AM
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Olivier-Jutel/publication/312259232/figure/fig1/AS:454521315958784@1485377734566/The-launch-of-Becks-9-12-project-2009a.png)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: steve98 on September 12, 2021, 02:51:54 AM
No problem, this thread's made me realise I know a little too much about 9/11. Recommending documentaries and YouTube footage channels like a fucking weirdo.

Yeah the quality on that one is surprisingly great for 2001. I don't know if it's seen in that video but there is footage of a woman right at the front of one of the holes waving. Lord knows where she was when the plane hit, and she's quite hard to spot (that's when you get the perspective of how huge those buildings were, when people look like dots even when it's zoomed in).

The Waving Woman. Her name was Edna Cintron. You can see her at 5:16, if you zoom in (and you know where you're looking)

https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U?t=317

It looks to me like she - Edna, The Waving Woman -  might be waving at Cynthia (The Filming Woman) Who's busy on the phone and isn't aware of Edna's desperate plight

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 12, 2021, 03:11:26 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E--sa39XIAEHCez?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Farenheit on September 12, 2021, 04:27:45 AM
The only thing that stops a bad passenger with a box-cutter is a good passenger with a gun.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 05:16:27 AM
What about a good guy with another plane
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 12, 2021, 07:39:28 AM
Remember that fairly close shot filmed from below by some member of the public that caught the first plane flying overhead then smashing into the tower and exploding?  Does that guy who cries 'holy shit' get royalties for repeats?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 12, 2021, 08:15:46 AM
I remember seeing it on telly, my mother went "that's in america, they blew up the twin towers" and I just went "Huh." and went in the garden to play.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 12, 2021, 08:21:49 AM
There must be some false memories involved because I recall that we were in woodwork and there was a thunderstorm, but I checked the weather on the date many years later and I might be incorrect.

But I do know that about the moment I came back from school, my uncle called my dad and told him to put on the TV. Pretty much everything had already happened by then. Next day in school I asked "did you guys see the news" and was responded to with "duh of course we did"
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 12, 2021, 08:38:31 AM
I've hunted the flat high and low for my copy of the Iannucci / Morris post-9/11 Observer supplement but it's nowhere to be found.  Anyone got scans?

*EDIT*. Found 'em:

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris1.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris2.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris3.pdf
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2002/03/19/morris4.pdf

(https://i.imgur.com/8O13eVj.png)

I've never seen Morris/Iannucci get so angry in writing before.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 08:39:48 AM
What about a good guy with another plane

Would the plane make a different noise, I wonder.  Maybe leave a trail of flowers in the sky as it chugs towards its target
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 08:47:58 AM
There must be some false memories involved because I recall that we were in woodwork and there was a thunderstorm, but I checked the weather on the date many years later and I might be incorrect.

But I do know that about the moment I came back from school, my uncle called my dad and told him to put on the TV. Pretty much everything had already happened by then. Next day in school I asked "did you guys see the news" and was responded to with "duh of course we did"

I was 21 at the time, and caught a load of it on the news, I think maybe both towers had just collapsed and it looked like a mushroom cloud.  They kept going on about the unmistakable New York skyline and this bollocks like we all have posters of that shit on our bedroom walls.  Yeah it was a shocking image with all the smoke and dust but it could have been anywhere to me.

“YOU MUST SURELY HAVE HEARD OF THE TWIN TOWERS, THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE” an absolute valve was barking at me afterwards.

Well I hadn’t.  Never heard of the Twin Towers or the World Trade Centre.  Like to fully imbibe the enormity of this event you needed to recognise those structures from out of whatever films they’ve been in.



And I vowed out of spite to never learn about them.  To this day when people say September 11th it’s just my mate Pete’s birthday.  Fuck you Twin Towers / World Trade Centre!!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 12, 2021, 08:57:32 AM
Of course you turn up at the Pentagon in full combat. I was just passing by on a mission.

Mate they're just fatigues, it's standard for military personnel to wear fatigues when on duty, even in the Pentagon.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 08:58:47 AM
they should maybe drink some coffee or a red bull or something
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 12, 2021, 08:59:08 AM
They'd drink RIPIT if they're in the forces.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 08:59:46 AM
They'd drink RIPIT if they're in the forces.

Why does it make them so tired?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 12, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
Why does it make them so tired?

Sugar crash innit.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 09:00:59 AM
Makes sense.  And the frog noises too.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 12, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
If you're near where the towers' bases where and get dust in your nose, that might be the remains of 9/11 victims you're sneezing or coughing out.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
If you're near where the towers' bases where and get dust in your nose, that might be the remains of 9/11 victims you're sneezing or coughing out.

And apparently every one of those 9/11 victims had breathed in at least seven “pecks” of Dolphin Hitler’s ashes in their lives (as we all have).  So just imagine quickly all those breathed-in ashes caked around and into one another like Russian dolls, and being there and sneezing out morsels of an office worker, and remember it doesn’t end there, it’s fuckin fractal


Makes you think
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 12, 2021, 09:27:29 AM
Thankfully that's all over now. See you at the 30th celebrations.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
Thankfully that's all over now. See you at the 30th celebrations.

Crossover with Eastenders hopefully
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 12, 2021, 10:04:51 AM
The size of your September 12th shit
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 12, 2021, 10:10:22 AM
One sincere note - the Naudet brothers documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8_yqcdS5JQ) is incredible, for anyone who hasn't seen it. They start off making a film about a rookie firefighter in New York waiting for his first fire and end up with the most amazing footage of the most infamous day in recent history. The only clear shot of the first plane striking the North Tower and the only footage inside the North Tower after it was struck.

I remember watching that ( broadcast on the first anniversary of 9/11), riveting stuff. " this ain't fucking Disneyland!"
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 12, 2021, 10:12:28 AM
What about a good guy with another plane

Wasn't that what happened to United 93 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93#Fighter_jet_response)?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 12, 2021, 10:19:54 AM
I remember the jokes on CaB on the day, as it unfolded. Predictably a lot of "Chris Morris's latest stunt has gone too far" type fare (the Brass Eye Special controversy wasn't that long before), and for some reason remember TJ telling people to stop it.

I was on NOTBBC in them days. My main memory take from it is someone complaining about that evening's episode of " Crossroads" being cancelled.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Farenheit on September 12, 2021, 10:24:41 AM
Remember that fairly close shot filmed from below by some member of the public that caught the first plane flying overhead then smashing into the tower and exploding?  Does that guy who cries 'holy shit' get royalties for repeats?

Only indirectly. David Chase was so impressed by this footage that he tracked him down and the same guy actually appears in a scene in The Sopranos. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DimxUGfHIqs)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 12, 2021, 10:28:56 AM
(https://i.skyrock.net/6692/39176692/pics/1718601652.jpg)

I have an alibi.

Mate they're just fatigues, it's standard for military personnel to wear fatigues when on duty, even in the Pentagon.

It is and they do. It’s quite disconcerting, all these people in camouflage. I had to restrain myself from doing the “Oops, didn’t see you there” gag despite a wealth of opportunities. The US Navy fatigues at the time were a nice bright blue digital pattern camo, it looked very jolly but I’m not sure how efficacious it’d be in a battlefield scenario (they’ve changed it since).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 12, 2021, 10:32:45 AM
I remember seeing it on telly, my mother went "that's in america, they blew up the twin towers" and I just went "Huh." and went in the garden to play.

28, etc.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 10:42:52 AM
Remember that fairly close shot filmed from below by some member of the public that caught the first plane flying overhead then smashing into the tower and exploding?  Does that guy who cries 'holy shit' get royalties for repeats?

Fortunately he died so no need
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Captain Z on September 12, 2021, 11:01:59 AM
As linked earlier in the thread, the first plane footage was actually captured by one of two brothers who were making a documentary about NY firefighters. The same brother immediately followed the firefighters to Tower 1 and filmed inside during the attempted rescue, and was still inside the lobby as the other tower collapsed. He and most of the guys around survived and got out, with the whole thing on film:

https://youtu.be/D8_yqcdS5JQ
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 12, 2021, 11:19:17 AM
From that, I can still hear the booms that were made by jumpers, landing on the roof of the lobby above them. The helplessness of the responders, knowing that people are dying mere metres above their heads.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 11:49:53 AM
I just think of the firefighters hugging each other, crying “why should we have survived when all those others died,” and like you I bet they all got into the same bed that evening and had a frenzied night of anus-on-anus fiery bromance action


I mean you just would, wouldn’t you.  It’s too much trauma to handle alone.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 12:02:41 PM
9/11 shot on Super-8 is extra spooky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_TC6zLtPo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_TC6zLtPo)

Advert for Hamlet Cigars considers rewrite
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Key on September 12, 2021, 12:11:03 PM
I remember someone coming up to me and saying they'd crashed planes into the twin towers and knocked them down. I said 'What! at Wembley?'
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 12, 2021, 12:12:01 PM
Would the plane make a different noise, I wonder.  Maybe leave a trail of flowers in the sky as it chugs towards its target

Mumtrails
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 12, 2021, 12:26:47 PM
The more I think about it, the more I reckon you have to give it to the Al Qaeda slags. Big ambitions, excellently realised. Best terror attack in history for my money, I doubt I’ll see any as good again in my lifetime.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 12, 2021, 12:27:05 PM
I remember someone coming up to me and saying they'd crashed planes into the twin towers and knocked them down. I said 'What! at Wembley?'
of course they were up for demolition for the new stadium at the time, so not unreasonable

Also they were built on the site of a planned 358 m (Eiffel Tower is 300 m) tower, of which only the base was ever built.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watkin%27s_Tower

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/General_View_of_Wembley_Park_with_Watkin%27s_Tower_%28colour%29.jpg)

Freaks my nut out. It was planned there because of the railway intersections and how many people would see it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 12:27:45 PM
I remember someone coming up to me and saying they'd crashed planes into the twin towers and knocked them down. I said 'What! at Wembley?'

They say you never forget the day you meet Bin Laden.


#neverforget
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 12, 2021, 12:42:02 PM
I remember someone coming up to me and saying they'd crashed planes into the twin towers and knocked them down. I said 'What! at Wembley?'

Well bin Laden was a Gunners fan, so it's not inconceivable.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: beanheadmcginty on September 12, 2021, 01:02:29 PM
Anybody else remember people referring to Osama Bin Laden as "Osram Bin Liner" for full comical effect? Or was that just a rural Kent thing?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 12, 2021, 01:06:41 PM

Awesome Bill of Lading for me, Clive
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 12, 2021, 01:39:34 PM
Best terror attack in history

The Guinness Book Of Records site had a button under each record saying something like "break that record".
They also had an entry for something like 'biggest terror attack in history', and you can see where this is going... underneath it was a link/button labelled "break that record."
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 12, 2021, 02:11:15 PM
There's some records they don't print anymore because they're getting dangerous, like world's fattest man or whatever. I suspect this has been retired for the same reason!

Also the one I posted earlier is in full here, including the guy hanging out on Brooklyn bridge, before managing to get a lift from a Peruvian guy and being in the crawl of traffic with two Japanese girls who were in one of the towers (the N, I think) with the radio on. It ends well before the N tower collapses (he probably takes the subway shortly after the end of the tape) but it's an amazing first-person document (and also some of the best footage of the progressive structural failure of the S tower)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxhZFaC7Nhc
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 12, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
Anybody else remember people referring to Osama Bin Laden as "Osram Bin Liner" for full comical effect? Or was that just a rural Kent thing?

There was a radio station I used to listen to in NZ whose morning show did a regular sketch called the Talibunnies, featuring Tanky-Wanky, Dipsymaniac, La-La-Land, Po-litical, and their esteemed leader, Osama Wheelie-Bin Over-Laden. It was actually funnier than it sounds.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 12, 2021, 06:40:36 PM
of course they were up for demolition for the new stadium at the time, so not unreasonable

Also they were built on the site of a planned 358 m (Eiffel Tower is 300 m) tower, of which only the base was ever built.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watkin%27s_Tower

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/General_View_of_Wembley_Park_with_Watkin%27s_Tower_%28colour%29.jpg)

Freaks my nut out. It was planned there because of the railway intersections and how many people would see it.

I had no idea, thanks for that I love this kind of alternative history.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 12, 2021, 06:46:47 PM
Imagine a slag slamming into that
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 07:14:35 PM
the band, the Stray Cats, played on as the towers fell down
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 07:14:48 PM
There was a radio station I used to listen to in NZ whose morning show did a regular sketch called the Talibunnies, featuring Tanky-Wanky, Dipsymaniac, La-La-Land, Po-litical, and their esteemed leader, Osama Wheelie-Bin Over-Laden. It was actually funnier than it sounds.

Quite funny already to be honest
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 07:15:29 PM
I had no idea, thanks for that I love this kind of alternative history.

Me too.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 12, 2021, 07:17:00 PM
Imagine a slag slamming into that

Imagine a Cyclops standing over the tower with its cock out and then slowly lowering its urethra down over the spiky bit at the top, and continually pressing until it was gradually and fully widened.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blue Jam on September 12, 2021, 07:40:58 PM
Anybody else remember people referring to Osama Bin Laden as "Osram Bin Liner" for full comical effect? Or was that just a rural Kent thing?

I'm not from Kent and I can still remember "Osama bin Liner" and "Osram bin Lightbulb".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 07:47:10 PM
There was a radio station I used to listen to in NZ whose morning show did a regular sketch called the Talibunnies, featuring Tanky-Wanky, Dipsymaniac, La-La-Land, Po-litical, and their esteemed leader, Osama Wheelie-Bin Over-Laden. It was actually funnier than it sounds.

"FACKIN BIN LADEN MATE HE'S FACKIN HEAPS WANKER"
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 07:57:11 PM
Would the plane make a different noise, I wonder.  Maybe leave a trail of flowers in the sky as it chugs towards its target

Can't imagine it would've gone down well with Osama Bin Laden if his masterplan was foiled by Walter the Softy
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 12, 2021, 07:57:50 PM
Hey Mr Taliban Tally Me Banana
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
The day irony died
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 08:27:00 PM
a long long time ago
I can still remember
how we used to
stand around using irony correctly
before it turned into just meaning
something thats a coincidence

But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 12, 2021, 08:41:27 PM
Imagine a Cyclops standing over the tower with its cock out and then slowly lowering its urethra down over the spiky bit at the top, and continually pressing until it was gradually and fully widened.
that's september 13th's wank sorted
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 12, 2021, 08:57:45 PM
I had a conversation with my 11yo about 9/11. In a sign of the times, she’d learned about it… on TikTok.

https://www.tiktok.com/@looooo166/video/7006619389894184198

So I explained what it was all about, how and why it happened. How they used knives, and why it was that knives are still banned on planes to this day, how plane cockpits are much harder to get into now (I didn’t mention GermanWings flight 9525, I’m trying to placate a child with an anxiety disorder after all). Most striking part was her asking if she could say “terrorist” or if it was a rude word…
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 12, 2021, 09:01:10 PM
I was on NOTBBC in them days. My main memory take from it is someone complaining about that evening's episode of " Crossroads" being cancelled.

James M, possibly.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: steve98 on September 12, 2021, 09:10:16 PM
a long long time ago
I can still remember
how we used to
stand around using irony correctly
before it turned into just meaning
something thats a coincidence

But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver,

(https://www.rhino.com/sites/rhino.com/files/styles/article_image/public/badnews.jpg?itok=crQaG-ju)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 12, 2021, 10:01:03 PM
Most striking part was her asking if she could say “terrorist” or if it was a rude word…

Did you tell her to use 'cunt' instead?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 12, 2021, 10:06:29 PM
She already knows that one, sadly.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: wrec on September 12, 2021, 10:13:56 PM
There's Jeremy then there's his brother, "I, Ron S. Jeremy Irons"

I like the way Snori thinks
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 10:51:59 PM
Its ironic it happened on 9/11 if you think about it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Dog on September 12, 2021, 11:35:45 PM
The irony is that it didn’t happen on 911, because there is no 91st of January. 
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 12, 2021, 11:42:35 PM
there's 9/11 going on out there and you're all stood around joking like a bunch of jackasses
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 11:47:19 PM
I've seen 20 9/11s now, its lost its edge.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 11:47:53 PM
They should have cancelled series after the City of New York versus 9/11, it would have made a great finale
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 12, 2021, 11:48:54 PM
I've seen 20 9/11s now, its lost its edge.

Even the Simpsons couldn't stay good for 20 years, how could 9/11 spice it up and stay fresh? Maybe add a new character we didn't know much about? Maybe a new conspiracy?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 12, 2021, 11:51:27 PM
Ed Tudor Pole
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 13, 2021, 12:00:41 AM
Even the Simpsons couldn't stay good for 20 years, how could 9/11 spice it up and stay fresh? Maybe add a new character we didn't know much about? Maybe a new conspiracy?

hans was responsible for the whole ordeal
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mobius on September 13, 2021, 12:04:26 AM
Them terrorists what done this, should have also flown a plane into the Ground Zero memorial. And just keep flying planes into that bit of land whenever America tries to rebuild or do anything with it. Just be needlessly cunty.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 13, 2021, 12:05:44 AM
I wonder if they could just say they're going to do it before every flight from somewhere in the middle East to the US and see how many flights they can fuck up.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 13, 2021, 12:10:58 AM
The most haunting bit is when the first plane hits and you hear the fireman say "I think there's been a 9/11 up there" and everyone looks awkwardly at the camera.

Then Finchy throws a shoe over the South Tower
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 13, 2021, 12:45:25 AM
all those youtube videos they missed, all the info about obscure audio formats and stuff they could have been informed of
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 13, 2021, 01:00:05 AM
I prefer to work in decimal, and I will always remember 0.81818181818181...
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 13, 2021, 01:18:52 AM
Hope 911 pulls through,
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 13, 2021, 01:37:33 AM
Its ironic it happened on 9/11 if you think about it.

The 1's look like towers!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 02:13:01 AM
Imagine a slag slamming into that

Imagine if the 9/11 lads had done Europe instead. Footage of microlights jammed into the Eiffel and Blackpool Towers wouldn’t have had quite the same impact.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Uncle TechTip on September 13, 2021, 02:57:55 AM
I'm afraid the golden age of hijackings is over. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/03/29/hijackings-rare-after-911-security-improvements/82375474/
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 13, 2021, 05:15:38 AM
The 1's look like towers!

The 9/ looks like a guy with a big head leaning on them.

The plot thickens

Imagine if the 9/11 lads had done Europe instead.

They'd have to edit out all of Europe from American sitcoms.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 13, 2021, 05:17:43 AM
Why did Europe sink after only two plane crashes? Why wasn't it reinforced?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Sonny_Jim on September 13, 2021, 07:54:23 AM
My most shocking revelation from the 9/11 pager leaks (https://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2009/nov/25/september-11-wikileaks-pager-messages) was the following chilling text:

Quote
even during total holocost, Kirkladn has a small penis
source (https://911.wikileaks.org/files/messages_2001_09_11-13_20_2001_09_11-13_24.html#message_2553)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mrClaypole on September 13, 2021, 08:28:15 AM
True story.  The Saturday after 9/11 I had been on an all day drinking binge with a friend of mine. Inevitably it ended outside a chip shop run by Muslims. I was so drunk that when I went to tie my shoe laces I managed to fall backwards into the large glass window causing it to crack.
Someone called the police and I was arrested as I was abit lippy to one of the police officers.
During the interrogation they implied that I had tried to undertake a revenge attack for the twin towers.  A charge so ludicrous I couldn't take it seriously.
Even the legal aid solicitor laughed so loud when he heard what the "filth" were trying to charge me with made the "pigs" eventually drop that line of enquiry.
Let's look at the facts M'lud. A group of highly radicalised Muslim fanatics manage to hijack some jets. Smash them into probably the most famous buildings in the most famous city in the world live on global TV and bring them crumbling down watched by most of the television owning world population versus a rather drunk 20 stone gentleman accidentally falling backwards into a chip shop window in Digbeth Birmingham watched live by about 8 people waiting for the night bus and caught possibly on a grainy CCTV camera.
It's obvious M'lud that this man was extracting some sort of twisted revenge for the terrible events that took place that fateful day.

I ended up on a criminal damage charge and was cautioned.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: popcorn on September 13, 2021, 10:21:48 AM
And to this day the attacks go unavenged.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 13, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
Well there was 7/7. Tit for tat and all that.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 13, 2021, 11:26:15 AM
Difficult where you can go after flying planes into buildings, hence why no-ones tried to up the ante in 20 years. Blowing up the ISS so it will be seen by millions?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 13, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You could crash a boat into Cowes.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 11:45:02 AM
A very powerful bomb between exactly the US and Europe?  Too far-fetched, I suppose.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 11:48:34 AM
What did they have against tallies, anyway?  Fives are a useful way to count things up.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 11:50:23 AM
You could crash a boat into Cowes.

Smash a Titanic into a giant botoxed Simon Cowell face
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 12:04:39 PM
Ed Tudor Pole

Left teeth marks in the fuckin thing
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 13, 2021, 12:05:50 PM
You could crash a boat into Cowes.
Drive a motorboat into Skye.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 13, 2021, 12:12:14 PM
What would you rather have, one big plane flying into a skyscraper or 100 small planes?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
What would you rather have, one big plane flying into a skyscraper or 100 small planes?

Are the small planes also crashing into the skyscraper?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 13, 2021, 12:21:25 PM
Are the small planes also crashing into the skyscraper?

Of course.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 13, 2021, 12:22:11 PM
If I hijacked commercial jet plane crashes into an iconic skyscraper in one of the most populated cities in the world and no-one sees it, did it really happen?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 12:41:58 PM
If I was a Muslim terrorist I’d kidnap Joe Biden and just bum him on camera. Broadcast it on GB News, just Joe Biden getting endlessly buggered.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 13, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
If I was a Muslim terrorist I’d kidnap Joe Biden and just bum him on camera. Broadcast it on GB News, just Joe Biden getting endlessly buggered.

its interesting but think the plane into the twin towers plan had a bigger wow factor
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 12:50:49 PM
its interesting but think the plane into the twin towers plan had a bigger wow factor

I didn’t tell you that the sodomy is being perpetrated by Osama and Khalid, two 6ft8 identical twin brothers who call themselves the twin towers.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 13, 2021, 01:12:22 PM
you've added a nice bit of garnish to the idea there but for me I'm just doubtful they'd give it serious thought
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 13, 2021, 01:23:34 PM
Doing gay sex up a man's bum might be a hard sell for an Islamist group. Unless they bum the bummers as punishment, and so on forever.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 13, 2021, 01:26:49 PM
Well the whole of the planet bumming each other would certainly be a spectacle
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
Of course.

Ok and when you day would “I” like to have, do you mean I get to keep them afterwards?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 02:27:58 PM
If I was a Muslim terrorist I’d kidnap Joe Biden and just bum him on camera. Broadcast it on GB News, just Joe Biden getting endlessly buggered.

Sodomised, please



Edit:  ah never mind you amended it in your next post.

I didn’t tell you that the sodomy is being perpetrated by Osama and Khalid, two 6ft8 identical twin brothers who call themselves the twin towers.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: madhair60 on September 13, 2021, 02:28:38 PM
And to this day the attacks go unavenged.

I got revenge by marrying a muslim and essentially causing a 9/11's worth of bother
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: TrenterPercenter on September 13, 2021, 02:30:13 PM
Doing gay sex up a man's bum might be a hard sell for an Islamist group.

Nah they could just bum him in the face
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
It’s not gay if you bum them REALLY HARD. It’s manly. The only thing more manly is when you kiss them and hold them and whisper “I love you, you’re doing a great job” during the bummerage.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 03:35:49 PM
And like them on grindr
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
And like them on grindr

This is the butchest thing I’ve ever heard.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
It’s even butcher to do it


‘LIKE’
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 13, 2021, 05:25:02 PM
It’s not gay if you bum them REALLY HARD. It’s manly.

Yeah, like when you're in the prison showers with Loony Len, hardman of the wing, who's seven feet and makes brick outhouses look feeble, and he asks you to pick up the soap.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 06:52:13 PM
Nothing better than getting the lads round and getting greased up for a wrestle and a cuddle. Lads, lads, lads.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 08:34:30 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel_memorandum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel_memorandum)

Quote
Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, Clear Channel Communications, the largest owner of radio stations in the United States, circulated an internal memo containing a list of songs that program directors felt were "lyrically questionable" to play in the aftermath of the attack.

List of Songs:
  • Beastie Boys - Sabotage
  • The Beatles - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
  • Pat Benatar - Hit Me with Your Best Shot
  • Phil Collins - In the Air Tonight
  • Drowning Pool - Bodies
  • Foo Fighters - Learn to Fly
  • Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky
  • Elton John - Bennie and The Jets
  • Elton John - Rocket Man
  • Don McLean - American Pie
  • Red Hot Chili Peppers - Aeroplane
  • Talking Heads - Burning Down the House
  • The Trammps - Disco Inferno
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: iamcoop on September 13, 2021, 09:53:14 PM
Why ban Learn to Fly by the Foo Fighters but not Learning to Fly by Tom Petty? I suppose there was a risk disgruntled Muslims may have interpreted it as some sort of twisted command from the nicest guy in rock.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 09:56:36 PM
Why ban Learn to Fly by the Foo Fighters but not Learning to Fly by Tom Petty? I suppose there was a risk disgruntled Muslims may have interpreted it as some sort of twisted command from the nicest guy in rock.

I was selective with the list so it’s incomplete. Free Fallin’ was one of the banned songs I omitted.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: iamcoop on September 13, 2021, 10:06:01 PM
Well in that case it’s a miracle that “Smashing down towers is a great big laugh” by The Aeroplanes slipped through the net then!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 13, 2021, 10:06:32 PM
I did think of Another One Bites the Dust but why would Killer Queen be banned?

Quote from: Queen - Killer Queen
She's a Killer Queen
Gunpowder, gelatine
Jet fuel melts steel beams
Guaranteed to blow the towers
Anytime
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: flotemysost on September 13, 2021, 10:09:20 PM
I started a thread about this in Oscillations last year (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,79285.0.html) - I think my favourite post-9/11 banned song is Enter Sandman, just the thought of someone being so triggered by the mention of sandy men that they can't bear to listen to it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 13, 2021, 10:28:56 PM
Why ban Learn to Fly by the Foo Fighters but not Learning to Fly by Tom Petty?

Or Pink Floyd.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 13, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
I was going to ask why but it’s quite self-explanatory actually.

Quote
Picture yourself in a plane in a tower
Instant explosion
Impossible heat

Somebody near you escapes from the window
And falls so incredibly fast

LUCY IN THE SKY WITH GRAVITY

LUCY IN THE SKY WITH GRAVITY
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 13, 2021, 11:06:15 PM
not gonna necro-bump that to comment on The Bangles but before the government released their intelligence of Al-Quada in Afghanistan, a lot of Americans speculated it was terrorism out of Egypt (or Libya)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 13, 2021, 11:27:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_MtHOLUcAIV78d?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 13, 2021, 11:51:15 PM
not gonna necro-bump that to comment on The Bangles but before the government released their intelligence of Al-Quada in Afghanistan, a lot of Americans speculated it was terrorism out of Egypt (or Libya)

They’re falling down like a domino.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 14, 2021, 01:03:04 AM
You could crash a boat into Cowes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dl23S5nXcAAklQz.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 14, 2021, 12:24:54 PM
They’re falling down like a domino.
dominos don't fall down from an upper critical structural failure leading to complete progressive collapse.

Although the 1993 bombing was intended to topple the N tower into the S. Problem there is no one would've been filming it. Bit of a waste really.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 14, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
dominos don't fall down from an upper critical structural failure leading to complete progressive collapse.

He said domino, singular.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 14, 2021, 12:43:42 PM
dominos don't fall down from an upper critical structural failure leading to complete progressive collapse.

Whey oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 14, 2021, 03:46:45 PM
Although the 1993 bombing was intended to topple the N tower into the S. Problem there is no one would've been filming it. Bit of a waste really.

I was less aware of that 1993 bombing until the 45 minute version of the video shared somewhere above, with that man saying that he worked in the tower but had taken the day off, and that the only other day he’d taken off was 1993 on the day of the bombing.


Chinny reckon, mate.  Don’t try to make this about yourself.




Anyway I then googled the 1993 bombing of it, so that was good.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 14, 2021, 03:51:05 PM
Whey oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh.

DELILAH
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 14, 2021, 06:00:25 PM
Or Pink Floyd.

Who wrote a song about the second plane crash: 'Another Prick Hits The Wall.'
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 14, 2021, 06:02:12 PM
Quote
Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, Clear Channel Communications, the largest owner of radio stations in the United States, circulated an internal memo containing a list of songs that program directors felt were "lyrically questionable" to play in the aftermath of the attack.

List of Songs:
Beastie Boys - Sabotage
The Beatles - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Pat Benatar - Hit Me with Your Best Shot
Phil Collins - In the Air Tonight
Drowning Pool - Bodies
Foo Fighters - Learn to Fly
Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky
Elton John - Bennie and The Jets
Elton John - Rocket Man
Don McLean - American Pie
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Aeroplane
Talking Heads - Burning Down the House
The Trammps - Disco Inferno

Is that the exhaustive list?  If so, where was Queen's Another One Bites the Dust?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 14, 2021, 06:04:40 PM
Is that the exhaustive list?  If so, where was Queen's Another One Bites the Dust?

I was selective with the list so it’s incomplete. Free Fallin’ was one of the banned songs I omitted.

Another One Bites the Dust is on the full list, along with Killer Queen.

One of the other items on the list is “Rage Against the Machine: all”. Seems an odd blanket omission given that they’re not the sweariest band of all time, but maybe even back in 2001 the radio station saw the potential downside of specifying “rap”.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 14, 2021, 06:47:16 PM
I was less aware of that 1993 bombing...

In December 1998 Prince did a song called "Osama bin Laden gettin' ready to bomb / 2001" which was presumably a reference to that earlier thing, while the 2001 part of the title was because the song segue'd into the 2001 A Space Odyssey tune.  I bet conspiracy theorists had a field day with it though.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: steve98 on September 14, 2021, 06:55:35 PM
Is that the exhaustive list?  If so, where was Queen's Another One Bites the Dust?

Just been reading about this Denver DJ and anti-vaxxer, who, back in the day, would play Another One Bites The Dust whenever a gay died of AIDS. He's just died of Covid. A Christian of course.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1437570741550071809/YgzKwAmD?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Chollis on September 14, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
apparently the edited version (replacing the line with 1.5 seconds of silence) of Biggie's "Juicy" (1994) was the only one played on US Radio stations for a good decade after the attack. dunno if it's still the case.

Now I'm in the limelight, 'cause I rhyme tight/
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade


fair enough really

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 14, 2021, 06:58:47 PM
I remember the 1993 bombing being reported on the Radio Four news that I was listening to while tripping on LSD that evening.  Fortunately, that didn't conjure up any frightening hallucinations.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Chollis on September 14, 2021, 07:01:21 PM
a lot of 9/11 truthers think Biggie was killed by the government because he "knew too much"
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 14, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
Good to see Fresh Prince's 'Boom! Shake the Room' wasn't on the list.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buttgammon on September 14, 2021, 07:43:17 PM
Jeru the Damaja showed the towers in flames on an album cover only a year after the 1993 bombing. I can’t imagine he got much airtime on mainstream radio, but he probably wasn’t really going for that market.

a lot of 9/11 truthers think Biggie was killed by the government because he "knew too much"

No references to ex-CabBers please.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: TrenterPercenter on September 14, 2021, 07:53:50 PM
Jeru the Damaja showed the towers in flames on an album cover only a year after the 1993 bombing.

The Sun Rises in the East! Great Album.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 14, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
Released in 2004:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Fuckwt.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 14, 2021, 09:02:50 PM
not released in 2001

(https://lastfm.freetls.fastly.net/i/u/500x500/6ac2411a06cb4e62b1af2b48905a23e0.jpg)

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2014/07/dreamtheater1.jpg)

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 14, 2021, 09:33:38 PM
That Party Music album cover was actually designed in June 2001!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 14, 2021, 09:40:17 PM
and my bad the Dream Theater album did actually get shipped out to stores with that cover on September 11th.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 14, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3391061.1518546220!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/ratio_16x9_w1200/image.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 14, 2021, 10:21:23 PM
and my bad the Dream Theater album did actually get shipped out to stores with that cover on September 11th.

Fortunately it was dream theatre so no one noticed
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 14, 2021, 10:45:43 PM
The band I Am The World Trade Center had to change their name

to the Beatles
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 14, 2021, 11:46:10 PM
The band I Am The World Trade Center had to change their name

to the Beatles

Goo goo ga joob
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 14, 2021, 11:48:30 PM
Fortunately it was dream theatre so no one noticed
i own the reprint lol
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 14, 2021, 11:54:19 PM
i'd have to say The Best of the World Trade Center
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: evilcommiedictator on September 14, 2021, 11:57:19 PM
Fortunately it was dream theatre so no one noticed
Only the hardcore alcoholics waiting for the next 12 steps-based prog epic did?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 15, 2021, 12:00:31 AM
[tag]British Sea Power concede that, in hindsight, it could have been a lot worse[/tag]
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 15, 2021, 12:01:28 AM
This ugly terrorist son of a bitch is fucking 72 hot virgins and basically, you are fucking stupid.
Title: Perspective
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 12:01:42 AM
While it was a major incident, partly because it received extensive coverage, it was not that horrific in the greater scheme of things. Less than 3000 people died. OK, they all did it in one place and time, and few of us were unmoved by it all, but in the USA in 2019 36,000 people died in motor vehicle accidents. And that was not so different from any other year. They were human lives like any other, and most of them were innocent victims with wives and chidren - many of them were children. So if you want wailing and gnashing of teeth have a go at the people who make and sell motor cars.
Just saying.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 15, 2021, 12:05:46 AM
It was never about the deaths. The same MURICA types bleating about the anniversary over the weekend couldn’t give a damn that the same number of people are dying every day from COVID.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 12:28:20 AM
I do wonder why they hit it with early morning flights. if it'd been hit in the afternoon they'd have killed x10 as many. in the N tower it was mostly people who worked in the Windows on the World restaurant who'd gone up via the express elevator and were trapped, and of course a lot of workers didn't go up into the S tower after the other was was hit (even if it wasn't properly evacuated). if you wanted to make a statement you could've hit it them in the night when you'd still kill hundreds of people, but nowhere near as many. and if you hit it in the afternoon you could have a lie in and a nice breakfast and do an absolute massacre.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 12:29:37 AM
It was never about the deaths.

What is it about then?
You could say that erecting such tall buildings and then invading a rather warlike set of nations was rather ill advised.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 15, 2021, 12:36:46 AM
It was never about the deaths. The same MURICA types bleating about the anniversary over the weekend couldn’t give a damn that the same number of people are dying every day from COVID.

Not to mention the civilian casualties of the invasion and bombings in Afghanistan, but the deaths are spread out in dribs and drabs then and not televised live. It’s a righteous war on terror rather than a terror attack on freedom. Plus those people are brown.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Chollis on September 15, 2021, 12:40:22 AM
What is it about then?

flying jumbo jets into massive skyscrapers
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 15, 2021, 12:43:02 AM
You could say that erecting such tall buildings and then invading a rather warlike set of nations was rather ill advised.

Amazing. This is too good.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 15, 2021, 01:07:05 AM
Does anyone else watch the footage of the planes crashing into the 9/11 towers just for the sheer exhilaration of watching jumbo jets smashing into skyscrapers?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: pigamus on September 15, 2021, 01:16:23 AM
I do wonder why they hit it with early morning flights. if it'd been hit in the afternoon they'd have killed x10 as many. in the N tower it was mostly people who worked in the Windows on the World restaurant who'd gone up via the express elevator and were trapped, and of course a lot of workers didn't go up into the S tower after the other was was hit (even if it wasn't properly evacuated). if you wanted to make a statement you could've hit it them in the night when you'd still kill hundreds of people, but nowhere near as many. and if you hit it in the afternoon you could have a lie in and a nice breakfast and do an absolute massacre.

“They could have been a bit more effective on 9/11” is certainly an interesting take
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: ProvanFan on September 15, 2021, 01:45:52 AM
Still think it's mental we missed it all up here because every channel was showing the Gaelic dub of The Family-Ness.
Title: Perspective
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 02:02:45 AM
It’s a righteous war on terror rather than a terror attack on freedom. Plus those people are brown.

Which way round are you looking at the situation? It can be argued correctly that the US invasion of Afghanistan was a terror attack on freedom whilst the Afghans then mounted their righteous war on terror as a retaliation. It actually works both ways depending on your perspective.

As for freedom, prior to the US invasion of Afghanistan I wandered around there and Iraq, and several other such places without let or hindrance. And found the inhabitants largely very friendly indeed. Sadly a bit different now. On the other hand, I've found getting into the USA without documents almost impossible. Even before 9/11 (or 11/9).

I suspect that if the US and UK had kept out of the politics of the Middle East and just settled for paying for their oil, the twin towers would still be standing.

I'm actually not firmly on either side of the fence, I ama fervent supporter of balance.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 15, 2021, 02:09:39 AM

I suspect that if the US and UK had kept out of the politics of the Middle East and just settled for paying for their oil, the twin towers would still be standing.
.

Why did nobody make this threat before now?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 15, 2021, 02:15:42 AM
“They could have been a bit more effective on 9/11” is certainly an interesting take

it always surprises me that terrorists have never targeted a nuclear power plant or some kind of key infrastructure. they're just keen on the massacre of civilians going about their day.

terroristes, encore un effort etc.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 15, 2021, 02:30:06 AM
it always surprises me that terrorists have never targeted a nuclear power plant or some kind of key infrastructure. they're just keen on the massacre of civilians going about their day.

terroristes, encore un effort etc.

It's likely cos nuclear plants are actually comically well-designed in the case of an attack or plane crash or the like, and usually have armed guards (I know in the UK there's a special branch of both the armed forces and the armed police for defending nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons infrastructure) as well as pretty tight security in the Western world.

There was that Greenpeace ad where a plane crashes into a nuclear plant and ends the world but in a realistic scenario a bunch of people having their lunch in the canteen would hear a faint boom and someone outside would be like "FUCKIN 'ELL MY CAR!".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Farenheit on September 15, 2021, 02:35:25 AM
I do wonder why they hit it with early morning flights. if it'd been hit in the afternoon they'd have killed x10 as many. in the N tower it was mostly people who worked in the Windows on the World restaurant who'd gone up via the express elevator and were trapped, and of course a lot of workers didn't go up into the S tower after the other was was hit (even if it wasn't properly evacuated). if you wanted to make a statement you could've hit it them in the night when you'd still kill hundreds of people, but nowhere near as many. and if you hit it in the afternoon you could have a lie in and a nice breakfast and do an absolute massacre.

Morning flights are probably the least likely to be delayed?
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 02:53:21 AM
Why did nobody make this threat before now?

They probably figured it was so obvious as to not require making out loud. But they didn't take into account the fact that america, in terms of government, is not very bright.

I suppose the term bright government is an oxymoron no matter which administrative body globally that you care to examine.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 07:56:55 AM
it always surprises me that terrorists have never targeted a nuclear power plant or some kind of key infrastructure. they're just keen on the massacre of civilians going about their day.
I guess the question behind this is what bin Laden and Atta and so on wanted the outcome of striking targets within the United States to be. I note that they did target the Pentagon.

Looking at idunnosomename's post - I don't think that they were that bothered about deaths either way, and the timing was mostly led by what was easiest to plan around.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 15, 2021, 08:06:20 AM
While it was a major incident, partly because it received extensive coverage, it was not that horrific in the greater scheme of things. Less than 3000 people died. OK, they all did it in one place and time, and few of us were unmoved by it all, but in the USA in 2019 36,000 people died in motor vehicle accidents. And that was not so different from any other year. They were human lives like any other, and most of them were innocent victims with wives and chidren - many of them were children. So if you want wailing and gnashing of teeth have a go at the people who make and sell motor cars.
Just saying.

It's more about the shock of so many people dying horribly and in such a bizarre way while going about their everyday lives, and the general devastation of the city and 20 years of knock on effect that followed. Only 96 people died at Hillsborough. During World War II, 30,000 people were dying every single day on average. In comparison all the wars and refugee crises since have been very tame. 9/11 had a devastatingly profound affect on people, the numbers are irrelevant to that. Any tragedy can be diminished if you compare it to other stuff.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buttgammon on September 15, 2021, 08:52:51 AM
Bin Laden was actually surprised by the extent of the damage and the number of people killed. They were obviously aiming for death and destruction on a huge scale but even using early morning flights and striking the buildings before they would’ve been at maximum occupancy, they still exceeded their expectations.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Replies From View on September 15, 2021, 08:55:22 AM
They were human lives like any other

Wake me up when someone a bit unique dies please
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 15, 2021, 09:40:26 AM
it always surprises me that terrorists have never targeted a nuclear power plant or some kind of key infrastructure. they're just keen on the massacre of civilians going about their day.

terroristes, encore un effort etc.
Crashing a plane into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor would be pretty pointless. In 1988 a Japanese engineering company involved in their nuclear programme contracted the Sandia National Laboratory in the US to conduct a test that launched an F4 Phantom fighter attached to a rocket sled travelling at 500mph into a 3.7m thick 470-ton block of reinforced concrete that was a simulation of the outer containment vessel wall of a reactor. The Phantom was vapourised in the impact with barely any damage to the concrete (a 60mm deep crater on the surface)
(https://sandia.gov/images2005/f4_image2.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8uvQk1H9I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8uvQk1H9I)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 15, 2021, 10:13:39 AM
I do wonder why they hit it with early morning flights. if it'd been hit in the afternoon they'd have killed x10 as many. in the N tower it was mostly people who worked in the Windows on the World restaurant who'd gone up via the express elevator and were trapped, and of course a lot of workers didn't go up into the S tower after the other was was hit (even if it wasn't properly evacuated). if you wanted to make a statement you could've hit it them in the night when you'd still kill hundreds of people, but nowhere near as many. and if you hit it in the afternoon you could have a lie in and a nice breakfast and do an absolute massacre.

This only goes to show that no matter how rum a chap you are, theres a little bit of good in everyone

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 15, 2021, 10:28:10 AM
Crashing a plane into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor would be pretty pointless.

Funny though
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 15, 2021, 12:06:43 PM
Imagine the devastation if they flew the planes into Rhyl Sun Centre instead.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 12:37:11 PM
Yeah it's because they don't really care about death toll one way or another and first flights of the day were the easiest to pull off together. They wanted the symbolism above all and bloody hell they certainly got it.

It has been argued as the biggest piece of performance art in history. Which sounds wanky and offensive and maybe it is, but also it's got a point.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 15, 2021, 12:47:49 PM
Who’s to say that Alton Towers roller coaster crash or that toddler who got blown away on a bouncy castle weren’t the results of Islamic terrorists?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 15, 2021, 12:48:19 PM
It has been argued as the biggest piece of performance art in history. Which sounds wanky and offensive and maybe it is, but also it's got a point.

Why is 9/11 art and Hiroshima not?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 15, 2021, 12:52:17 PM
Ask Karlheinz Stockhausen, if he's about.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 15, 2021, 01:38:03 PM


cheers! i can't say i had thought this through
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 02:02:19 PM
Any tragedy can be diminished if you compare it to other stuff.

Just so.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 02:10:04 PM
Why is 9/11 art and Hiroshima not?
who said all war isnt art. ahhhhhhh.

Butvactually you're right, the nuclear attacks on Japan were about spectacle directed at the Soviets not any actual tactics.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 15, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
Bin Laden was actually surprised by the extent of the damage and the number of people killed. They were obviously aiming for death and destruction on a huge scale but even using early morning flights and striking the buildings before they would’ve been at maximum occupancy, they still exceeded their expectations.

They probably would have been happy with one tower, with the other tower as a back up. The pentagon being the second back up.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MojoJojo on September 15, 2021, 02:23:22 PM
Crashing a plane into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor would be pretty pointless.

Yeah but there is plenty of shit to fuck up and cause a disaster. Just need to fuck up the cooling like Fukushima, except there is also a chance to screw the control systems and prevent the reactor from shutting down.

What's genuinely surprising is that no terrorists have tried to copy the Boston sniper. Two guys - and you probably only need one - with a shit car and a cheap rifle - caused terror for 3 weeks. It may not have a big body count by terrorism standards, but it did generate terror.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 15, 2021, 02:24:06 PM
They probably would have been happy with one tower, with the other tower as a back up. The pentagon being the second back up.

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail, as the posters in Bin Laden’s cave said.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 02:34:34 PM
Crashing a plane into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor would be pretty pointless.

Naturally they would have tried the same experiment on a control room mock-up and its backup bunker.

Maybe
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Why is 9/11 art and Hiroshima not?

Audience paticipation.

Is art art if no-one can see it?
This degenerates into earnest philosophical discussions over warm beer in a student bar.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 15, 2021, 02:44:57 PM
The flight that crashed into the Pentagon was a bit of a damp squib, wasn't it? And the one that the passengers took down - I believe that was headed for Camp David? Which is like Chequers for the President? Bin Laden's lucky that this plane crash-landed because his idea for it was tremendously shit and what really happened is a far better story.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Buelligan on September 15, 2021, 02:46:05 PM
Wake me up when someone a bit unique dies please

Shan't.  Enjoy them all or not at all.  You're not cherry-picking this.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 15, 2021, 02:49:21 PM
The flight that crashed into the Pentagon was a bit of a damp squib, wasn't it? And the one that the passengers took down - I believe that was headed for Camp David? Which is like Chequers for the President? Bin Laden's lucky that this plane crash-landed because his idea for it was tremendously shit and what really happened is a far better story.

They were actually heading for that field to smash it to pieces because Bin Laden thought it was that one from the XP wallpaper.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 15, 2021, 02:55:30 PM
Oh apparently it was heading for the US Capitol building and reports it was heading to Camp David were just speculation. Apologies to Al Qaeda
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: icehaven on September 15, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
I always thought the field one was heading for Camp David too but one of the 9/11 docs I watched last week said it was aiming for the Capitol Building, and Wikipedia says the same. Maybe they were seeing how it went on the day. 

I can't be bothered to look up the exact dimensions but surely it'd be much harder to hit the Capitol building than the WTC or the Pentagon because it's much smaller than both, so ironically they probably had their best pilots on that plane. The ones that hit the WTC must have been the dunces of hijacking class.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 15, 2021, 03:02:35 PM
How do they know where it was heading? The guys flying the plane are dead.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 03:11:39 PM
intelligence recorded in the 9/11 commission report. It's pretty certain that flight 93 was heading for the Capitol. although it could've been the white house. Bin Laden was quite keen on the latter. but surely the Capitol would've been easier and more spectacular

the pentagon crash was total rubs i agree. the capitol and the white house were evacuated before 10 am. Flight 93 crashed at 10:03 because the passengers had learnt what was going on and the terrorists couldn't lie to them about them just going back to the airport like they did with the others
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 15, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
How do they know where it was heading? The guys flying the plane are dead.

Derek Acorah said so.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 15, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
How do they know where it was heading? The guys flying the plane are dead.

I find it grimly fascinating how much detail of what happened in the cabins on those four flights is known, or roughly known. I don't think I've ever been on a plane with telephones, but it seems like the passengers and crew on that day were auditioning for a BT advert with the amount of calls they were placing to the ground. "Hello, passenger in seat 8A has stabbed the one in 9B, I would estimate at roughly 09:01.23. Cheers."
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 15, 2021, 03:27:11 PM
Morning flights are probably the least likely to be delayed?

Seems a bit impatient
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 15, 2021, 03:30:13 PM
Crashing a plane into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor would be pretty pointless. In 1988 a Japanese engineering company involved in their nuclear programme contracted the Sandia National Laboratory in the US to conduct a test that launched an F4 Phantom fighter attached to a rocket sled travelling at 500mph into a 3.7m thick 470-ton block of reinforced concrete that was a simulation of the outer containment vessel wall of a reactor. The Phantom was vapourised in the impact with barely any damage to the concrete (a 60mm deep crater on the surface)
(https://sandia.gov/images2005/f4_image2.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8uvQk1H9I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8uvQk1H9I)

Must remember to sample that
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 15, 2021, 04:13:34 PM
it's very easy to criticise after the fact but i'd say they did a pretty good job as far as creating terror goes
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 15, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
I don't see the point of the WTC though, really.  If it was up to me it'd be -Whilst I accept personal choices and preferences are bound to come into it, I cannot, for the life of me, see their logic.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
It represents globalised western capitalism and all the decadent values it spreads. They were always very keen on it, since at least 1993
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 15, 2021, 04:38:27 PM
it would have been a bit shit just flying a plane into Camp David which would only be 1 person, whereas the TT got a much bigger headcount
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: pigamus on September 15, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
it's very easy to criticise after the fact but i'd say they did a pretty good job as far as creating terror goes

You do gotta hand it to them a bit
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 04:45:15 PM
RIP camp David. your mincing will be missed.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 15, 2021, 04:47:56 PM
Yeah it's because they don't really care about death toll one way or another and first flights of the day were the easiest to pull off together. They wanted the symbolism above all and bloody hell they certainly got it.

It has been argued as the biggest piece of performance art in history. Which sounds wanky and offensive and maybe it is, but also it's got a point.

bit of an outlandish commercial for jenga but still good
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 15, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
It represents globalised western capitalism and all the decadent values it spreads.
In another life, Mohamed Atta is merely a zealous CaB member.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Replies From View on September 15, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Shan't.  Enjoy them all or not at all.  You're not cherry-picking this.

>:-(
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 15, 2021, 04:52:58 PM
You got away lightly this time, because I like you.  Now buck up and enjoy yourself.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 15, 2021, 04:54:15 PM
How do they know where it was heading? The guys flying the plane are dead.

Flight deck recorder.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 15, 2021, 04:55:38 PM
Not a flight deck preempter, though, is it? 
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

What's genuinely surprising is that no terrorists have tried to copy the Boston sniper. Two guys - and you probably only need one - with a shit car and a cheap rifle - caused terror for 3 weeks. It may not have a big body count by terrorism standards, but it did generate terror.
You need quite a particular guy I think though, in terms of local experience and preparedness to murder individuals.

And again, it comes back to what you're trying to achieve.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: bgmnts on September 15, 2021, 05:41:22 PM
Just get a few dozen medieval Mongol warriors, plonk them in the Midwest and give them some horses and boom, they will have half of the US fucked for years.

Our capacity to instil terror has definitely diminished. 
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 15, 2021, 05:44:39 PM
And again, it comes back to what you're trying to achieve.

Because of course Islamic terrorists are so focused and defined in what effect they want their terrorism to achieve aside of the destruction, death and injury caused.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 05:48:29 PM
It represents globalised western capitalism and all the decadent values it spreads. They were always very keen on it, since at least 1993
I find to very hard to understand what the cultural relevance of the NY WTC towers was prior to 9/11.

I would have said that I'd never heard of them - but I know I'd have been wrong because they're featured in a mission in Red Alert 2 (albeit not in a way that I'd ever have connected to real life).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 05:54:13 PM
Because of course Islamic terrorists are so focused and defined in what effect they want their terrorism to achieve aside of the destruction, death and injury caused.
A bloke who self-radicalises off an internet "comedy" forum, maybe not - although he'll still have discernable motivations.

A plan involving dozens of people, months of organisation, training and funding - I think we can accept that they had some sort of rough aims in mind, even if these were diffuse and alternately very short and very long term.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 15, 2021, 05:56:27 PM
Because of course Islamic terrorists are so focused and defined in what effect they want their terrorism to achieve aside of the destruction, death and injury caused.

Being fair though (and rather serious), there was a lad from round here that did a terrorism a few years ago (it's alright, they shot him dead, like a dog) but anyway, I know people who knew him and said for 100% sure, that lad had a drugs thing going on and a problem with his dad but he was not even a teensy bit of an Islamic terrorist.  Just a sad mad lad who lost control for a bit but was, unfortunately for him, brown, so, according to the record, he was a terrorist and we had the President down to say so.

It may be useful, when considering what Islamic terrorists are focused on, to also think about who they are.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
9/11 is also notable when it comes to planning because you'd think that at least some of the people involved in planning it had a decent idea that this was something you could only really do once on a few decades (because the response to hijackings and the risk of hijackings would alter so substantially).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 15, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
The answer to the,"why those flights" question was supposed to be they wanted heavy planes with full fuel loads so trans continental ones are usually big and have full tanks. Those tend to be morning or evening flights ,especially if you want to do 6 at once[1]
Might as well synch them up in the morning.
 1. most of you won't know about #5 and #6
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 15, 2021, 06:05:37 PM
Because of course Islamic terrorists are so focused and defined in what effect they want their terrorism to achieve aside of the destruction, death and injury caused.

well causing death and destruction is the primary goal given the nature of terrorism but when it implies some planning they don't chose their targets randomly (like the Nice truck attack, which happened on the french national day in a quite symbolic location).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 06:19:40 PM
god everybody forgets that and that was so incredibly horrible
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 15, 2021, 06:22:40 PM
well causing death and destruction is the primary goal given the nature of terrorism

But the IRA didn't just kill people for its own sake, but because they wanted to drive British forces out of Ulster and reunite Ireland independently of us.  What are Islamic terrorists equivalent aims?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kngen on September 15, 2021, 06:32:42 PM
But the IRA didn't just kill people for its own sake, but because they wanted to drive British forces out of Ulster and reunite Ireland independently of us.  What are Islamic terrorists equivalent aims?

From Wikipedia: In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America", he said that al-Qaeda's motives for the attacks included Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, support for Israel in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, US support of Israel, and sanctions against Iraq.

Probably not the reply The Proclaimers were expecting in response to their 1987 hit.

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 15, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
But the IRA didn't just kill people for its own sake, but because they wanted to drive British forces out of Ulster and reunite Ireland independently of us.  What are Islamic terrorists equivalent aims?

You may think it's worth considering that these people (the terrorists) don't even have a professional or governing body.  Useless.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Goldentony on September 15, 2021, 07:41:19 PM
will never forget the day after when ordinary people of all backgrounds came to ground zero just to help -

(https://i.imgur.com/v8dxxrl.png)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 15, 2021, 09:11:46 PM
I don't see the point of the WTC though, really.  If it was up to me it'd be -
  • Whitehouse
  • Capitol
  • Pentagon x 2
  • AOB
Whilst I accept personal choices and preferences are bound to come into it, I cannot, for the life of me, see their logic.

First thought was, AOC?! Why?! She’s awesome!

Who can say why they went for the targets they did? A few years back I walked the full length of the National Mall and back, from the Capitol past the Washington Monument, brief detour to look at the White House, past the WW2 memorial to the Lincoln Memorial, and stopping by the Vietnam Memorial on the way back. It’s a hell of a walk! And the sheer symbolism of all those locations… It feels obscene to say so, like playing Fantasy 9/11 Targets, but it does strike me as odd that they didn’t go Capitol/WH/Wash & Linc Mems.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 09:15:01 PM
None of those really symbolise American power overseas, or in Arabia in particular.

(The closest would be the Vietnam Memorial - but because it represents a sort-of defeat by an ideology that Wahhabists despised also.)

Who can say why they went for the targets they did?
A bunch of people, presumably, even now. (Edit: And all the stuff said by people involved over the last couple of decades, as others have pointed in.)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 15, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
The answer to the,"why those flights" question was supposed to be they wanted heavy planes with full fuel loads so trans continental ones are usually big and have full tanks. Those tend to be morning or evening flights ,especially if you want to do 6 at once[1]
Might as well synch them up in the morning.
 1. most of you won't know about #5 and #6

still annoying though
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 15, 2021, 09:16:35 PM
The disruption caused by attacking the WTC had a bigger culture effect than going for something with a more symbolic value might have. The before/after shift in attitude to things like security and business travel looms larger in cultural consciousness than the building itself ever did as a symbol. There's also the horror that comes with a civilian target too, especially one that people assumed would be safe.

I think the immediate prevalence and endurance of conspiracy theories speak to how "unthinkable" and "impossible" it seemed. Something that proved literally unbelievable for tens of thousands of people whose ideologies wouldn't permit them to accept it. The stories circulating hours after about being told "don't come to work tomorrow" by Muslim/Jewish/MiB colleagues and acquaintences give a bit of insight to the collective psychology and emotional impact too, I think. Espcecially as those stories are now urban legend fixtures.

An attack on a military target, landmark or government agency probably wouldn't have had that effect.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 15, 2021, 09:17:00 PM
But the IRA didn't just kill people for its own sake, but because they wanted to drive British forces out of Ulster and reunite Ireland independently of us.  What are Islamic terrorists equivalent aims?

cause parents to put better gifts in party bags
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 09:22:20 PM
An attack on a military target, landmark or government agency probably wouldn't have had that effect.
And they did attempt to attack those targets as well on the day.

Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 15, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
Yeah, and the Pentagon attack doesn't figure nearly as much in peoples awareness as the WTC. I think you'd have to see something as unlikely as the Whitehouse getting hit before it would equal it.

WTC attack changed everything and made people feel unsafe in a way that we're still feeling the effects of. The paranoia (and xenophobia) still persists, and will persist for a few decades more at least. I don't want to make a "ya gotta hand it to them" post but it was a horrifically effective target. Especially if you imagine it vs a purely symbolic target like Mt Rushmore or the Statue of Liberty.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 15, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
Hitting an office block in a big city scares people who go to tall office blocks in big cities, and plays into people's natural fears about how skyscrapers work and why they don't fall down. A lot of people were worried about going up in skyscrapers and worrying about planes hitting cities in the aftermath of 9/11. Look at what happened in November 2001 when American Airlines Flight 587 crashed in New York after the copilot was a bit heavy on the rudder and it snapped off: everyone thought "Fuck, it's Bin Laden again!" You have to balance that everyday terror with not being seen to be a shit terrorist, like guys who blow up buses.

The WTC towers hit that sweet horror-movie spot of being relatable but still larger than life. If they'd just decided to drive badly or shoot a person a week they might have killed a lot of people over time, but nobody would go, "Gee they drove badly! Let's invade a random Middle East country." Because otherwise George Bush would be nuking every BMW dealership in the country. And of course Bin Laden did want some reprisals, so he couldn't be too subtle.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 09:39:29 PM
Especially if you imagine it vs a purely symbolic target like Mt Rushmore or the Statue of Liberty.
And I think those examples show the problem with a lot of "symbolic targets" that you might suggest - they only really make sense to Americans and the imagined boogiemen, not the people undertaking the attacks.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 15, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
And although the damage to that section of the interior of the Pentagon was considerable, the external impact zone was less impressive, at least not compared to the WTC; but then that gained in impressiveness by collapsing. If the towers hadn’t collapsed, the ipa r sites would still be impressive by being so much more visible, looming over Manhattan, a constant reminder. Though to be honest they’d probably have hung ginormous American flags over the scars…
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 15, 2021, 09:46:38 PM
And I think those examples show the problem with a lot of "symbolic targets" that you might suggest - they only really make sense to Americans and the imagined boogiemen, not the people undertaking the attacks.

Yeah, and I think if you assume a jingoistic logic and action movie nationalism about "symbolic" targets that represent freedom, democracy, etc it doesn't really think of things from the position of Americans or westerners themselve after the attack.

Thinking - wow, if they hit a symbol of our freedom I'd be SO MAD and just throbbing with patriotic juices is a lot easier or even more comforting than thinking - if they hit a tower block or a transport hub I'd be shitting myself literally every day of my life for a decade after because an invisible precarity has been revealed.

I don't think the USA has successfully reclaimed WTC as a symbol of freedom or defiance. It'll only ever mean the tragic loss of thousands who thought they were totally safe.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 09:52:42 PM
i doubt crashing a plane into mount rushmore would do much since it's granite. you'd probably damage some details and blacken the surface but it could pretty easily be restored. the statue of liberty you'd be better getting a bomb inside really. and yes, neither of them are the sort of things that piss off Wahhabists. Well except that they are idolatrous.

There is the sheer gall of the Port Authority making its new buildings intended for banking tenants the "World" Trade Center that surely pissed the Islamists caught between the US and the Soviets most of all.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 15, 2021, 09:54:34 PM
Also Mount Rushmore is pretty rubbish already. Don't want to risk improving something by accident.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 15, 2021, 09:55:10 PM
i doubt crashing a plane into mount rushmore would do much since it's granite. you'd probably damage some details and blacken the surface but it could pretty easily be restored.

Giving you the crucial window of opportunity to airdrop the giant speakers playing Al Jolson songs and then the President has to go on TV and tearfully cancel George 'greatest human being ever' Washington
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 15, 2021, 10:51:06 PM
The biggest tragedy of 9/11 is that Parkinson never got Bin Laden on to ask about how they went about choosing targets and planning attacks.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 10:52:17 PM
also that Osama couldn't answer to Rod Hull and Emu on the same sofa.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 15, 2021, 11:06:40 PM
I don't think the USA has successfully reclaimed WTC as a symbol of freedom or defiance.

a trial might have helped, instead of killing osama in that way for "electability' purposes. obviously it was way too late, with people still rotting in guantanamo for the last twenty years.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 15, 2021, 11:09:59 PM
Can't believe some of you guys don't think the WTC was a great target tbh.

Some of the appraisals we are doing itt might sound tasteless out of context.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Banlon on September 15, 2021, 11:11:46 PM
I don't see the point of the WTC though, really.  If it was up to me it'd be -
  • Whitehouse
  • Capitol
  • Pentagon x 2
  • AOB
Whilst I accept personal choices and preferences are bound to come into it, I cannot, for the life of me, see their logic.
The Alamo
Harvard Yard
Washington Monument
Golden Gate Bridge
Graceland
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 15, 2021, 11:50:02 PM
Sleeping Beauty's Castle
Hollywood sign
one of those big balls of yarn off the highway
Skywalker Ranch
Detroit
that arch thing in the midwest

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DarlingAccurateBluet-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Shit Good Nose on September 15, 2021, 11:52:30 PM
Hollywood sign

Give them a break, they've already lost "land" and now you want to take away more?  "Welcome to wood".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mr Banlon on September 16, 2021, 12:50:48 AM
Sleeping Beauty's Castle
Hollywood sign
one of those big balls of yarn off the highway
Skywalker Ranch
Detroit
that arch thing in the midwest

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DarlingAccurateBluet-size_restricted.gif)
Detroit ? I doubt anyone would notice. Or care.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 16, 2021, 01:18:42 AM
Ghostbusters Firehouse
PS2 Launch Shipment
Osama Bin Laden
A Large Pile Of American Money
The Pie From American Pie
Scott Adams' Dilbert-shaped Gazebo
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 16, 2021, 02:13:47 AM
And although the damage to that section of the interior of the Pentagon was considerable, the external impact zone was less impressive,

It's also less impressive because we can't watch videos of the plane hitting.  CCTV was seized from nearby businesses and when they finally released something it was 3 crappy frames that showed so little that they only served to give fuel to conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 16, 2021, 09:45:02 AM
i think what we're all trying to say, although through gritted teeth, is that Al-Qaeda were absolutely at the top of their game in 2001. They couldn't maintain that sort of level for a sustained period which could well have disappointed some hardcore terror fans. A bit like Ronaldinho was at football, which is to Ronnie's credit that he hardly killed anyone at all.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 16, 2021, 09:46:56 AM
Detroit ? I doubt anyone would notice. Or care.
it might even be an improvement!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 16, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
I don't see the point of the WTC though, really.  If it was up to me it'd be -
  • Whitehouse
  • Capitol
  • Pentagon x 2
  • AOB
Whilst I accept personal choices and preferences are bound to come into it, I cannot, for the life of me, see their logic.

Dunno if this is a funny joke, but of the four (five, if you count the individual towers) targets, which ones did you see photos and videos of the most following the attacks?

Plus, aside from AOB, which I'm not sure what it is, you have four targets all in basically the same small part of Virginia/DC, so there might be some logistical issues in hijacking enough planes in that area to hit all targets.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 16, 2021, 10:16:35 AM
AOB is Any Other Business[1]

It's not a funny joke[2], to me, maybe I view the thing incorrectly, but to me, the targets in the actual attack look confused.

Irrespective of what one thinks about killing random strangers, even if you don't care about stuff like that, I don't believe that media shares or whatever are the be all and end all.  IMO, what they wanted was to fuck America up the arse (like it has fucked the ME).  And do it in front of everyone.  Remind the US in the proud imagination of its heart that it is not God or God's country, it's just a place full of humans, like everywhere else and it bleeds (like everywhere else).

If I wanted to do that, I'd recognise that the media will show or not show, it will frame and subtitle, anything you do.  That is beyond your control.  What you do control is the devastation (to a degree).  My own feeling is that the destruction of irreplaceable objects integral to America's feelings of invulnerable power (like the Whitehouse and Capitol, the Pentagon) would have impacted the psyche of America's elite (and its people) far more.  That's just the way I see it.
 1. you know, that thing they used to put at the bottom of formal agendas
 2. Obvs, I have no intention of any of this so it's all "a joke" in that sense, NSA buds
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Captain Z on September 16, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
For shock value, I reckon Enfield would be a better target than Whitehouse.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 16, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
Heheh.  Yeah, you're right.  Also I'd prefer it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cuellar on September 16, 2021, 10:27:31 AM
Given the FURORE over the prospect of DOGS being left in Afghanistan, I'd wang a plane into Battersea Dogs Home
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 16, 2021, 10:28:38 AM
i think what we're all trying to say, although through gritted teeth, is that Al-Qaeda were absolutely at the top of their game in 2001. They couldn't maintain that sort of level for a sustained period which could well have disappointed some hardcore terror fans. A bit like Ronaldinho was at football, which is to Ronnie's credit that he hardly killed anyone at all.

Hold your gritted teeth mate I want to get this paper aeroplane into them
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 16, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
Given the FURORE over the prospect of DOGS being left in Afghanistan, I'd wang a plane into Battersea Dogs Home

Heheh.  But it's true that targets are important.  Think about the UK - would you focus a primary strike on the City, Lloyds, Canary Wharf?  Would that take you further than wiping out the House of Commons (feat. Winston's statue), Downing Street or Buckingham Palace and maybe Mi6 HQ or the MOD? 
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 16, 2021, 10:37:03 AM
to me, the targets in the actual attack look confused.

Irrespective of what one thinks about killing random strangers, even if you don't care about stuff like that, I don't believe that media shares or whatever are the be all and end all.  IMO, what they wanted was to fuck America up the arse (like it has fucked the ME).  And do it in front of everyone.  Remind the US in the proud imagination of its heart that it is not God or God's country, it's just a place full of humans, like everywhere else and it bleeds (like everywhere else).

If I wanted to do that, I'd recognise that the media will show or not show, it will frame and subtitle, anything you do.  That is beyond your control.  What you do control is the devastation (to a degree).  My own feeling is that the destruction of irreplaceable objects integral to America's feelings of invulnerable power (like the Whitehouse and Capitol, the Pentagon) would have impacted the psyche of America's elite (and its people) far more.  That's just the way I see it.

Well, I'd say they achieved that. The biggest buildings in the US in one of (if not the) most densely populated urban centres in the US (and the news/TV capital of America, too) is going to not only get a shit-ton of views (aiding the "in front of everyone" angle), it's going to hit home to everyone who's ever worked in a tall building, plus anyone who's been to, or wanted to visit, New York (remember, those towers were iconic - they're a symbol of NYC in the intro to The Sopranos and were featured in a big Spider-Man trailer, to name two examples off the top of my head).

Damaging the White House is going to be a powerful image too, but it's already been rebuilt once (so not irreplaceable) , it's quick to evacuate and they'd only remake it, with an identical exterior, in double quick time. All you'd lose is some antique paintings that nobody except art nerds gives a shit about. If it had been hit at the same time as the WTC, the latter would still get the lion's share of the news coverage (although it'd be a double feature for a while) because of the footage, the loss of life and the permanent destruction of an iconic landmark.

Same deal with Congress, except everyone hates the politicians there and awareness of what they actually do is limited, so it would have even less impact.

Honestly, I think it was mostly just "America is capitalist, so let's hit it in the capitalisms" plus "big towers go boom = America get hurt" more than anything else. But I certainly don't think hitting Congress (of all places), or the Pentagon twice[1], would have had the same impact - no pun intended - as the twin towers, whether or not they fell. Americans just aren't as psychically attached to those places as the big famous tourist attractions they've visited/seen on the telly.
 1. As pointed out, there was minimal footage of the Pentagon crash, and that one is consequently mostly forgotten except by conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: studpuppet on September 16, 2021, 10:38:19 AM
The Alamo
Harvard Yard
Washington Monument
Golden Gate Bridge
Graceland
Sleeping Beauty's Castle
Hollywood sign
one of those big balls of yarn off the highway
Skywalker Ranch
Detroit
that arch thing in the midwest

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning (since those planes exploded).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 16, 2021, 10:40:10 AM
Well, I'd say they achieved that. The biggest buildings in the US in one of (if not the) most densely populated urban centres in the US (and the news/TV capital of America, too) is going to not only get a shit-ton of views (aiding the "in front of everyone" angle), it's going to hit home to everyone who's ever worked in a tall building, plus anyone who's been to, or wanted to visit, New York (remember, those towers were iconic - they're a symbol of NYC in the intro to The Sopranos and were featured in a big Spider-Man trailer, to name two examples off the top of my head).

Damaging the White House is going to be a powerful image too, but it's already been rebuilt once (so not irreplaceable) , it's quick to evacuate and they'd only remake it, with an identical exterior, in double quick time. All you'd lose is some antique paintings that nobody except art nerds gives a shit about. If it had been hit at the same time as the WTC, the latter would still get the lion's share of the news coverage (although it'd be a double feature for a while) because of the footage, the loss of life and the permanent destruction of an iconic landmark.

Same deal with Congress, except everyone hates the politicians there and awareness of what they actually do is limited, so it would have even less impact.

Honestly, I think it was mostly just "America is capitalist, so let's hit it in the capitalisms" plus "big towers go boom = America get hurt" more than anything else. But I certainly don't think hitting Congress (of all places), or the Pentagon twice[1], would have had the same impact - no pun intended - as the twin towers, whether or not they fell. Americans just aren't as psychically attached to those places as the big famous tourist attractions they've visited/seen on the telly.
 1. As pointed out, there was minimal footage of the Pentagon crash, and that one is consequently mostly forgotten except by conspiracy theorists.

You may have a point.  From my perspective, I think you're seeing things far too much from the pov of the media.  This is not, IMO, about the media. 
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 16, 2021, 10:40:50 AM
Heheh.  But it's true that targets are important.  Think about the UK - would you focus a primary strike on the City, Lloyds, Canary Wharf?  Would that take you further than wiping out the House of Commons (feat. Winston's statue), Downing Street or Buckingham Palace and maybe Mi6 HQ or the MOD?

Americans aren't Brits and don't have the same attachments. But I reckon Camry Wharf would still trump MOD or MI6 in the public's perception even though it's out in the arse end of the Docklands and not easily visible from on foot across the city (unlike the WTC in NYC) and not iconic (the only popular culture appearance I can think of is in the comic book The Invisibles).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 16, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
You may have a point.  From my perspective, I think you're seeing things far too much from the pov of the media.  This is not, IMO, about the media.

Why wouldn't it be about the media? How do you think everyone outside of NYC found out about the WTC and Pentagon attacks? And of those two, which attack are most people more familiar with and can recall details about?

How many bad airbrushed golden eagles had the Pentagon reflected in their single perfect teardrops?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 16, 2021, 10:42:35 AM
I wonder if it's a mistake to think that Americans were the only or even the main audience of the attacks as far as the planners were concerned.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cuellar on September 16, 2021, 10:43:38 AM
Heheh.  But it's true that targets are important.  Think about the UK - would you focus a primary strike on the City, Lloyds, Canary Wharf?  Would that take you further than wiping out the House of Commons (feat. Winston's statue), Downing Street or Buckingham Palace and maybe Mi6 HQ or the MOD?

BIG BEN
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 16, 2021, 10:45:15 AM
BIG BANG more like.

Why wouldn't it be about the media? How do you think everyone outside of NYC found out about the WTC and Pentagon attacks? And of those two, which attack are most people more familiar with and can recall details about?

How many bad airbrushed golden eagles had the Pentagon reflected in their single perfect teardrops?

It's just my opinion.  As I already said, IMO, it's not about media shares.  There are a lot of people living outside of the US who saw that the US is not invulnerable and for those in the UK, think about the media shares on Winston's statue (possibly being attacked) and your recollection of the terrorist attack on Canary Wharf.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 16, 2021, 10:46:32 AM
There's loads of tall buildings in the City you'd be doing a great service by cunting a plane into them
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 16, 2021, 10:46:52 AM
I wonder if it's a mistake to think that Americans were the only or even the main audience of the attacks as far as the planners were concerned.

the highest PPV sales were on Al-Jazeera Box Office in Saudi so you might be onto something there
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cuellar on September 16, 2021, 10:47:28 AM
If terrorists really wanted to annoy Britain they should just use their ill-gotten wealth to buy up loads of property in London or wherever and use it to house asylum seekers
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 16, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
There are a lot of people living outside of the US
And for many of them, the meaning of the WTC may have been considerably more significant than the Capitol or the White House.

Don't see many knock-offs of the last two scattered around the hellscapes of Arabia, but you do see plenty of skyscrapers half-heartedly copying Western sensibilities (some of which are also even branded as "World Trade Centers").
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Buelligan on September 16, 2021, 10:52:39 AM
Yes, I agree that people outside of the US, at the sharp end might feel a blow against the WTC would mean more.  For consumption in the West though, it permitted the horror of personal small lives ended brutally to push out the message.  We rarely allow that to happen when we're looking through the range-finder in the other direction.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 16, 2021, 11:00:36 AM
It's just my opinion.  As I already said, IMO, it's not about media shares.  There are a lot of people living outside of the US who saw that the US is not invulnerable and for those in the UK, think about the media shares on Winston's statue (possibly being attacked) and your recollection of the terrorist attack on Canary Wharf.

I think footage of human beings jumping out of buildings, or staggering around streets covered in ashes will trump structural damage any day. It's why reporters always try to talk to witnesses on the ground of major events - humans are (for the most part) attuned to the feelings of other humans.[1]

And, again, reporters are how anyone outside of the immediate area of impact find out about any of this. It's how all those people outside of the US discovered the country's vulnerability that day. Blow up a building, even a significant one, with no or little loss of life, and you'll get headlines for a bit and outrage for/sympathy with the victims for a bit, but it'll soon blow over. Blow up a skyscraper that everyone has seen on posters, in movies, on TV, killing thousands on live television for close to two hours and you'll change history.

Plus, as pointed out, people globally are going to react more viscerally to the destruction of an iconic skyscraper that looks a bit like the tall buildings in their nearest city than they are to the destruction of a foreign historic building or seat of government being blown up, especially if it's been evacuated (which would be faster to accomplish in the White House and Congress, which have dedicated escape routes and safe rooms, than the WTC).

Although I suppose we'll never know for sure.
 1. Particularly humans like themselves - or humans they consider to be like themselves - or geographically close to them, and especially when the feelings are caused by something unexpected.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Beagle 2 on September 16, 2021, 11:04:29 AM
I started reading about the preparation the hijackers put in last night, starting with big Mo Atta, and it's really incredible the dedication that these people put in. At no point did he think "actually I could just get a job as an airline pilot instead, seeing as I've put all this effort in", it was all geared towards cunting himself into offices. I can't even muster the enthusiasm to clean the house and at the end of that I'd have a lovely clean house rather than some screaming and fire (depending how it went).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 16, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
I started reading about the preparation the hijackers put in last night,

Where are you reading that?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 16, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
I started reading about the preparation the hijackers put in last night, starting with big Mo Atta, and it's really incredible the dedication that these people put in. At no point did he think "actually I could just get a job as an airline pilot instead, seeing as I've put all this effort in", it was all geared towards cunting himself into offices. I can't even muster the enthusiasm to clean the house and at the end of that I'd have a lovely clean house rather than some screaming and fire (depending how it went).

If you were told you'd get a load of virgins in heaven for cleaning your house then I bet you'd get to it sharpish.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 16, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
I remember hearing a lot of concern about 'terrorist attacks on Big Ben' or 'on the Statue of Liberty' and all I can say is, fine. Smash into the Washington Monument, too, and the Lincoln Memorial, and Nelson's Column. You'd hardly kill anyone. Anyone who would see a smashed Big Ben as a dagger through their heart is ridiculous imo. Would quite happily smash up a big clock if it meant a mass murderer merely took themselves out and not a bunch of innocents.

I did feel pretty sickened by ISIS destroying all those ancient UNESCO world heritage sites though. I don't know how many innocent lives Machu Picchu is worth
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 16, 2021, 11:20:31 AM
If you were told you'd get a load of virgins in heaven for cleaning your house then I bet you'd get to it sharpish.

Welcome to heaven! And here is your first virgin
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0382720c4f5e8b86510386ac2dc267d32b04127d/585_149_2648_1588/master/2648.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=8273e62af97c6d310b9c885d2173c73b)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 16, 2021, 11:24:23 AM
Defo not flying a plane into a building now.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 16, 2021, 11:27:58 AM
Welcome to heaven! And here is your first virgin
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0382720c4f5e8b86510386ac2dc267d32b04127d/585_149_2648_1588/master/2648.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=8273e62af97c6d310b9c885d2173c73b)

Twenty years ago, a bunch of mad lads killed themselves in the hope of getting 72 virgins each. Today, we have a surfeit of 20 year old incels.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 16, 2021, 11:38:50 AM
Heheh.  But it's true that targets are important.  Think about the UK - would you focus a primary strike on the City, Lloyds, Canary Wharf?  Would that take you further than wiping out the House of Commons (feat. Winston's statue), Downing Street or Buckingham Palace and maybe Mi6 HQ or the MOD?

Got to be childhood homes I reckon
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 16, 2021, 11:55:23 AM
Attacking Washington would probably be harder because the White House and maybe Congress has (and had) a lot of sophisticated defence stuff, surface to air missiles, anti-missile systems, etc. And they wouldn't think twice about shooting down an airliner heading there. Which is why it's a pity the 4th plane crashed in a field.

It should also be obvious that tall buildings are easier to hit. Otherwise you have to aim just right. They smashed up the Pentagon a bit but didn't come close to destroying it. Other symbolic targets like Fort Knox, Rushmore, Niagara Falls, Hoover Dam, would be hard to take out with a plane. The Empire State Building is probably a better symbol to our eyes, but the Islamists definitely had a thing about the World Trade Centre. Maybe it's better known in the Middle East and not so much in the UK. Also the approach to the WTC is easier, while the Empire State Building is in midtown.

For British targets (in 2001, so pre-Shard) you'd maybe go for
1. Big Ben/Houses of Parliament (which was incidentally targetted by a bomb in the British film Christie Malry's Own Double-Entry scheduled for release in autumn 2001)
2. Buckingham Palace
3. Windsor Castle
4. Whatever out of Lloyds Building, Gherkin, Cheesegrater, etc, was newest
5. St Paul's
6. Canary Wharf
7. Statue of Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens
8. Battersea Power Station (big Pink Floyd fans)
9. Any cathedral in some place you went for your holidays and it rained.
10. Blackpool Tower

I've not road tested these in Microsoft Flight Simulator so some are probably easier than others
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 16, 2021, 12:08:41 PM
Hamleys
Alton Towers
Coronation Street set
Rolf Harris (still national treasure)
The farm in the middle of the M62
Cromer
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 16, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Americans aren't Brits and don't have the same attachments. But I reckon Camry Wharf would still trump MOD or MI6 in the public's perception even though it's out in the arse end of the Docklands and not easily visible from on foot across the city (unlike the WTC in NYC) and not iconic (the only popular culture appearance I can think of is in the comic book The Invisibles).

I don’t think anyone in London gives a shit about Canary Wharf.  Outside of London?  Definitely not.  Try to visualise Canary Wharf now and draw a picture of it.  I’d be willing to bet most people wouldn’t recognise Canary Wharf even if you showed them a photo of it.  Many people wouldn’t assume it was in London.


For London a 9/11 equivalent would be tourist attractions I think.  Tower Bridge, London Tower, St Paul’s.  If it has to be a business tower, the shard and the gherkin would be iconic.  Not Canary Wharf.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Beagle 2 on September 16, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
The thing is, you have this image of state of the art missile defense systems and a trigger happy rapid response team, but if you listen to the ATC conversations that went on during the attacks, what you actually have is lots of people trying to firstly work out what's going on, where the planes are heading, who should be contacted, people along the chain being unsure what authority they have to do what or who they have to find and a whole lot of time where nothing is really happening. I'm sure it's been tightened significantly but even now, if somebody who knew how to fly a plane could get into a cockpit, I think there would be very little anybody could do about it in time to mitigate a disaster.

Luckily they had the idea to lock the cockpit door. Alright, it didn't work out, Germanwings wise, but they'll crack it eventually.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: The Ombudsman on September 16, 2021, 12:35:25 PM
Twenty years ago, a bunch of mad lads killed themselves in the hope of getting 72 virgins each. Today, we have a surfeit of 20 year old incels.

Coincidence?

Out of interest, do you think they would pace themselves or just go all out squandering the virgins?

Bit tasteless either way.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 16, 2021, 12:37:39 PM
I'm sure God can magic up some more virgins for them.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 16, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Other symbolic targets like … Niagara Falls, Hoover Dam, would be hard to take out with a plane.
Not really clear what either of those symbolise in this context. The concept of a US-Canadian border? Flood control?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Zetetic on September 16, 2021, 12:40:54 PM
I'm sure it's been tightened significantly but even now, if somebody who knew how to fly a plane could get into a cockpit, I think there would be very little anybody could do about it in time to mitigate a disaster.
The biggest difference is that prior to 9/11, you'd overwhelmingly assume that hijackers were looking to land the plane (and indeed this is what the hijackers indicated on 9/11) and act accordingly.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 16, 2021, 12:51:39 PM
The company I worked for back then gave us advice on how to react during a plane hijacking which was basically STFU and keep a low profile until it’s all over.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Blumf on September 16, 2021, 12:56:34 PM
The company I worked for back then gave us advice on how to react during a plane hijacking which was basically STFU and keep a low profile until it’s all over.

Cheaper than voluntary redundancies.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 16, 2021, 01:33:43 PM
It's all because the buildings fell down (which Bin Laden couldn't have predicted unless he was an expert at architecture and structural engineering and even then you'd not know for sure.)
Imagine how differently the event would have been viewed if the fires had been put out before the heat caused sufficient structural damage to make the buildings fall.  The people on the upper floors would have survived, and the building would have been repaired (assuming it was still structurally sound and not a write-off).  They'd have repaired the external structure first because that's what everyone sees and they'd have wanted to fix that as quick as possible (internally would have maybe taken longer).  A few hundred people would have died rather than 3 thousand, which would still be bad, but the whole event would be viewed in a different light to how it actually turned out.


BIG BEN

In the film version it'd be accompanied by a wobbly out of tune comedy BONGGGgGgGgGGGGG!!! sound as the plane hits.


Attacking Washington would probably be harder because the White House and maybe Congress has (and had) a lot of sophisticated defence stuff, surface to air missiles, anti-missile systems, etc. And they wouldn't think twice about shooting down an airliner heading there.

But so did the Pentagon.


Quote
For British targets (in 2001, so pre-Shard) you'd maybe go for...

Angel of The North please, it's a horrible looking thing.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 16, 2021, 02:06:32 PM
I don’t think anyone in London gives a shit about Canary Wharf.  Outside of London?  Definitely not.  Try to visualise Canary Wharf now and draw a picture of it.  I’d be willing to bet most people wouldn’t recognise Canary Wharf even if you showed them a photo of it.  Many people wouldn’t assume it was in London.


For London a 9/11 equivalent would be tourist attractions I think.  Tower Bridge, London Tower, St Paul’s.  If it has to be a business tower, the shard and the gherkin would be iconic.  Not Canary Wharf.
Post Office Tower
Natwest Tower/Tower 42 - the previous holder of tallest tower block in London, right in the middle of the City and had been damaged in the Bishopsgate IRA bomb in 1993
Centre Point - right in the middle of the West End, and was the subject of a (fictional) plane crash in the 1978 Richard Burton film The Medusa Touch
(https://external-preview.redd.it/qt4XswjofftU4vofL_aHoYJAL4IL87Qn6OsVirfP0-I.jpg?auto=webp&s=c554a01ad7e6edc51678be604bb10b1a5ad08609)

One thing about trying to fly into Canary Wharf or any of the towers in the east end of the city is that they are in the London City Airport approach zone. Even back then, an unscheduled, unresponsive airliner flying into the approach zone of an airport would have raised the alarm. The RAF's southern QRA base is at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire though (which at the time was equipped with Tornado F3 interceptors), so it's unlikely thay would have been able to reach London in time to do anything.

Part of the reason the Pentagon wasn't that badly damaged is because the building was undergoing a reburbishment at the time to harden it against attacks. Wedge 1, which is where the plane hit, was the first to have the work completed. All the outer windows were replaced with blast resistant panes that weigh 300lbs each, additional vertical steel beams were added to the inside of the outer wall to strengthen it, and kevlar blast panels were installed behind the outer walls between the windows. After the attack they basically went back and started on Wedge 1 again.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 16, 2021, 02:28:24 PM
Post Office Tower
Natwest Tower/Tower 42 - the previous holder of tallest tower block in London, right in the middle of the City and had been damaged in the Bishopsgate IRA bomb in 1993
Centre Point - right in the middle of the West End, and was the subject of a (fictional) plane crash in the 1978 Richard Burton film The Medusa Touch
(https://external-preview.redd.it/qt4XswjofftU4vofL_aHoYJAL4IL87Qn6OsVirfP0-I.jpg?auto=webp&s=c554a01ad7e6edc51678be604bb10b1a5ad08609)

One thing about trying to fly into Canary Wharf or any of the towers in the east end of the city is that they are in the London City Airport approach zone. Even back then, an unscheduled, unresponsive airliner flying into the approach zone of an airport would have raised the alarm. The RAF's southern QRA base is at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire though (which at the time was equipped with Tornado F3 interceptors), so it's unlikely thay would have been able to reach London in time to do anything.

Part of the reason the Pentagon wasn't that badly damaged is because the building was undergoing a reburbishment at the time to harden it against attacks. Wedge 1, which is where the plane hit, was the first to have the work completed. All the outer windows were replaced with blast resistant panes that weigh 300lbs each, additional vertical steel beams were added to the inside of the outer wall to strengthen it, and kevlar blast panels were installed behind the outer walls between the windows. After the attack they basically went back and started on Wedge 1 again.

I think the British Public would have been most affected by a hypothetical Al Qaeda plane attack if the target had been Cpt Tom.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 16, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
Cheaper than voluntary redundancies.

You didn’t see how rubbish the redundancy packages were
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: sovietrussia on September 16, 2021, 02:45:31 PM
Not on a 9/11 Truther tip, but legitimate question for which I'm sure there are reasonable answers. 

Given the the planes striking the WTC are the subject of a lot of video footage (in particular, the second one that can be viewed from multiple angles/sources) why is it that pretty much none exists for the one that hit the Pentagon (apart from a couple of 1980s-standard CCTV stills in which you can't make out the aircraft)?  Just wondered that in light of the fact that the Pentagon was hit over 30 minutes after the second tower strike (the point when people realised what was unfolding) that no footage exists of the plane evening flying across Washington DC at a low altitude.  I would have thought a lot of people would have been looking at the skies.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Quote on September 16, 2021, 03:07:01 PM
There were loads of exercises and wargames going on at the same time if I remember. I think some of the fighters meant to be intercepting around New York were off on manoeuvres elsewhere at the time.

It was one of things the 9/11 truthers were focused on in the years following, or saw as evidence of suspicious activity in the build up to September 11th.

EDIT: misread the post above, obv
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 16, 2021, 03:14:19 PM
Not on a 9/11 Truther tip, but legitimate question for which I'm sure there are reasonable answers. 

Given the the planes striking the WTC are the subject of a lot of video footage (in particular, the second one that can be viewed from multiple angles/sources) why is it that pretty much none exists for the one that hit the Pentagon (apart from a couple of 1980s-standard CCTV stills in which you can't make out the aircraft)?  Just wondered that in light of the fact that the Pentagon was hit over 30 minutes after the second tower strike (the point when people realised what was unfolding) that no footage exists of the plane evening flying across Washington DC at a low altitude.  I would have thought a lot of people would have been looking at the skies.
From the previous page:
It's also less impressive because we can't watch videos of the plane hitting.  CCTV was seized from nearby businesses and when they finally released something it was 3 crappy frames that showed so little that they only served to give fuel to conspiracy theorists.
Also, the Pentagon is the other side of I-395 from Ronald Reagan Washington airport, so low flying planes are not that unusual in the area. The Capitol and Washington city are on the west side of the Potomac, the pentagon is on the east side, and the plane came in from the east over Arlington. Fflight AA77 took off from Dulles which is even further east from Washington and then did a U-turn over Ohio, was eventually tracked on it's return by the Dulles Approach controllers, passed them and was picked up by the Reagan approach controllers, who asked a USAF ANG Hercules to identify it shortly before it hit the building.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: katzenjammer on September 16, 2021, 03:44:39 PM
Given the the planes striking the WTC are the subject of a lot of video footage (in particular, the second one that can be viewed from multiple angles/sources)

Is there more than one video of the first plane hitting? I thought there was just that one from the French documentary team.  There was loads of the second just because by then everyone was pointing cameras at the first one

Quote
why is it that pretty much none exists for the one that hit the Pentagon (apart from a couple of 1980s-standard CCTV stills in which you can't make out the aircraft)?  Just wondered that in light of the fact that the Pentagon was hit over 30 minutes after the second tower strike (the point when people realised what was unfolding) that no footage exists of the plane evening flying across Washington DC at a low altitude.  I would have thought a lot of people would have been looking at the skies.

Just some thoughts
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: darby o chill on September 16, 2021, 04:09:07 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

Quote
The Bojinka plot was a large-scale, three-phase terrorist attack planned by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for January 1995. They planned to assassinate Pope John Paul II; blow up 11 airliners in flight from Asia to the United States with the goal of killing approximately 4,000 passengers and shutting down air travel around the world; and crash a plane into the headquarters of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Fairfax County, Virginia.

Quote
Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes. The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), the White House (Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S. Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets. In his confession to Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka, Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings. This plot would eventually be the base plot for the September 11 attacks.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: sovietrussia on September 16, 2021, 04:11:39 PM
The above responses are just the type of quality content that I was hoping for. I shall be passing it off as my own insight in pub conversation into the future. Thanks all.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: popcorn on September 16, 2021, 04:25:28 PM
Attacking Washington would probably be harder because the White House and maybe Congress has (and had) a lot of sophisticated defence stuff, surface to air missiles, anti-missile systems, etc. And they wouldn't think twice about shooting down an airliner heading there.

According to Wikipedia, when it became clear the US was under attack, Cheney gave the order to shoot down United 93 (but of course it crashed into a field anyway).

So Cheney managed to get out of the whole 9/11 debacle with no blood on his hands.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on September 16, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
According to Wikipedia, when it became clear the US was under attack, Cheney gave the order to shoot down United 93 (but of course it crashed into a field anyway).

One of the documentaries showed some radio communication where one person was asking about the flight and got the response "It's down", then they replied "It landed?" and got the response "No, it's down", and then there was quite a long period of time where they didn't actually know if one of their own planes had shot it down or not.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cuellar on September 16, 2021, 04:38:07 PM
If they'd just shot them down before they took off all of this could easily have been avoided
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Mister Six on September 16, 2021, 05:36:18 PM
I don’t think anyone in London gives a shit about Canary Wharf.  Outside of London?  Definitely not.  Try to visualise Canary Wharf now and draw a picture of it.  I’d be willing to bet most people wouldn’t recognise Canary Wharf even if you showed them a photo of it.  Many people wouldn’t assume it was in London.

Try to visualise the MOD or MI6 buildings. Those were the options given, and the comparison I made. I agree that Canary Wharf is itself a shit target, per other reasons I outlined above (location, visibility etc).
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: lankyguy95 on September 16, 2021, 05:47:08 PM
Is there more than one video of the first plane hitting? I thought there was just that one from the French documentary team.
There is actually two but the other one is much less well known and in most copies the plane is too difficult to see. There's this enhanced version where I guess the colour's been played around with and you can actually see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YupMxNmSFEI
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 16, 2021, 05:50:26 PM
One of the documentaries showed some radio communication where one person was asking about the flight and got the response "It's down", then they replied "It landed?" and got the response "No, it's down", and then there was quite a long period of time where they didn't actually know if one of their own planes had shot it down or not.

I've always kind of assumed that United 93 was shot down, but hushed up. I can at least see why a government would choose to do that unlike the conspiracy theories about lacing buildings with demolition charges.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 16, 2021, 06:12:26 PM
Hamleys
Alton Towers
Coronation Street set
Rolf Harris (still national treasure)
The farm in the middle of the M62
Cromer
Fly a plane into the Museum of Science and Industry.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 16, 2021, 06:14:10 PM
They should have flew the plane into a mosque.

Or Boots.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cuellar on September 16, 2021, 06:17:37 PM
Or a Greggs!!! Lol imagine that, the UK going without Greggs!! Omg don't we all LOVE a Greggs dallyn
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 16, 2021, 06:59:06 PM
Think of all the pasties.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 16, 2021, 07:19:46 PM
Out of interest, do you think they would pace themselves or just go all out squandering the virgins?

“Standing on the top of the highest mountain in heaven are 72 virgins. Once every hundred years, Mohammad Atta climbs up there and deflowers one of them.

When all 72 have been deflowered, the first second of eternity will have passed.”
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 16, 2021, 07:23:20 PM
They should have hijacked an Easy Jet and flown it into Derry and blamed it on the Catholics or the Protestants, whichever one the orange lads are.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 16, 2021, 07:25:14 PM
Newton's apocryphal apple tree
A photograph of the dambusters' dog
Pigeon Street
The wall from Wonderwall
Statue of Ken Dodd
Karl Marx's grave
The last remaining evidence that Walkers changed the colour of the crisp packets
The garage door from Only Fools and Horses
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 16, 2021, 07:40:20 PM
Imagine how differently the event would have been viewed if the fires had been put out before the heat caused sufficient structural damage to make the buildings fall.  The people on the upper floors would have survived

probably not. Certainly not in the N tower. You cant believe what it was like in there (sadly, many restaurant staff were up at the top floor preparing the Windows on the World for an event) It was an absolute furnace, and why so many people started jumping, because it was either that or burst into flames.

Only 17 people above the impact zone in the S tower made it down the one surviving stairwell. It was also bad up there but not sure how many jumpers there were, they probably fled up to escape the heat in the 45 min they had

It's kind of a moot point to argue because the fire got so bad because the hollow core of the tube frame acted like a flue that fueled the inferno with oxygen. If it had had a concrete core, people could've got out. But it also wouldn't have collapsed and the fire wouldn't have been as intense. Note in the whole hour 45 the N tower was on fire they never got a single drop of water on it. There is no what-if, unless perhaps you use smaller planes with less fuel, because those towers were structurally doomed the moment they were hit.

Also Bin Laden did say he didn't think the towers would collapse and i don't think he's lying. Nor did anyone predict the N tower would after it was hit. People on site could see the S tower was going to collapse pretty quickly though.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 16, 2021, 08:23:16 PM
Part of the reason the Pentagon wasn't that badly damaged is because the building was undergoing a reburbishment at the time to harden it against attacks. Wedge 1, which is where the plane hit, was the first to have the work completed.

So annoying, isn’t it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 16, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
Note in the whole hour 45 the N tower was on fire they never got a single drop of water on it.

I have noted it, and I am delighted those lazy firefighters fucks got tumbled to death.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 16, 2021, 09:08:17 PM
look they had other things to do before squirting water on it!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 16, 2021, 11:24:51 PM
Nobody stops to think how bad the water damage would have been
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 16, 2021, 11:27:17 PM
So, I gather the towers were completely fine after the plane crash but the firehoses blasted them into shit?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 16, 2021, 11:31:24 PM
Just ruined, yeah
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 16, 2021, 11:56:15 PM
Niagara Falls, Hoover Dam
Not really clear what either of those symbolise in this context. The concept of a US-Canadian border? Flood control?
Hoover Dam is still iconic as a fucking big dam, a massive tourist attraction, the object of a ton of conspiracy theories and urban myths (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam), and had a major road running along the top until 2010. It also symbolises the might of the US government for building it during the 1930s Depression. Roddy Piper either saved it from terrorists or terroristed it up in 1996 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114649/), and the US government restricted access in 2002 to stop something similar happening in real life. QAnon cunts have fucked with it recently (https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-pleads-guilty-terrorism-charge-blocking-bridge-armored/story?id=68955385). It has a Transformer inside (allegedly). If you could destroy it, it would be a major hassle for anyone in the southwestern US who'd have considerably less water. Unless they drowned. Basically, if it wasn't so far from civilisation it would be an ace target.

And Niagara Falls is for lovers.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 17, 2021, 12:01:00 AM
if only all the citizens of new york had done a massive power wee. join their streams together like the death star superlaser. one big torrent of patriotic piss. even burning jet fuel cannot beat it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 12:02:23 AM
They should have tested whether the rumours that Rudy Giuliani is made of asbestos are true by sending him in there alone to sort it all out.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 17, 2021, 12:13:33 AM
hope the cunt inhales himself. although really the debris cloud was worse than any asbestos exposure.

he was a fucking idiot to have Emergency Management headquarters on the 23rd floor of WTC 7. bald fuck learnt nothing from 1993 bombing
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 12:20:54 AM
It's easy to judge him on that, he could've had it on top of a huge pile of TNT
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 12:26:31 AM
If we forget about the negative connotations, asbestos is a lovely word. If I ever have a daughter I know what I'm calling her.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 17, 2021, 12:33:09 AM
Stop your messing around
Better think of your future
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 12:35:02 AM
Can't spell asbestos without best.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: rack and peanut on September 17, 2021, 12:58:58 AM
if only all the citizens of new york had done a massive power wee. join their streams together like the death star superlaser. one big torrent of patriotic piss. even burning jet fuel cannot beat it.

Crossing the streams worked for the Ghostbusters
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: gib on September 17, 2021, 01:09:37 AM
“Standing on the top of the highest mountain in heaven are 72 virgins. Once every hundred years, Mohammad Atta climbs up there and deflowers one of them.

When all 72 have been deflowered, the first second of eternity will have passed.”

attaboy
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 01:12:35 AM
To me, having to have sex with 72 virgins would be more of a chore than anything else.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 17, 2021, 01:16:00 AM
would you just deflower them one after the other, or just pound one constantly and save the rest for special occasions.... into infinity. hardly matters really when you think about it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 01:17:43 AM
Whatever way I chose, I doubt my missus would be too happy about it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 17, 2021, 01:17:50 AM
have any of these cunts really thought about what eternity means
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 17, 2021, 01:35:33 AM
no they were probably all just very angry cunts who were only too happy to off themselves by cunting a plane into a building, and groomed to do so by some even bigger cunts
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 01:36:53 AM
I knew eternity would be a long time, but this is ridiculous!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 17, 2021, 01:37:26 AM
still no one will shag me!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: evilcommiedictator on September 17, 2021, 01:46:11 AM
But the IRA didn't just kill people for its own sake, but because they wanted to drive British forces out of Ulster and reunite Ireland independently of us.  What are Islamic terrorists equivalent aims?

Well, being concise, Osama Bin Laden was on record, wanting the establishment of an Islamic caliphate, where all good* Muslims would live. He also said that multiculturalism would lure Muslims away from the true* faith, and he believed that Muslims* should not live side by side with Christians, Atheists etc.
He wanted all Muslims in those countries to come home to the caliphate, make a clear line of demarcation between us and them. Which America and most of the West tried really, really hard to achieve for him in the aftermath, and we're still trying this day to drive out all those pesky Muslims (or Sikhs, if you're an American)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 17, 2021, 01:54:06 AM
i think it's logically impossible for them to lose their virginity, they will remain virgins for all eternity because passing from the virgin to the non-virgin state would mean the rules of our earthly time would still apply there.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 01:56:15 AM
i think it's logically impossible for them to lose their virginity, they will remain virgins for all eternity

You implying something about big Mo Attah's sexual prowess there, fellah?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 01:56:52 AM
Achilles CUCKED by Tortoise for all eternity
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 02:00:38 AM
Talk about a BAD INFINITY fellas!!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: chveik on September 17, 2021, 02:01:05 AM
i wish they'd made a sitcom about the adventures of suicide bombers who realize heaven isn't as great as they were told
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 02:03:18 AM
That's just The Upper Hand
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 17, 2021, 02:33:12 AM
suicide bombers who realize heaven isn't as great as they were told

But what if it is...?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 03:01:17 AM
That's just Last Of The Summer Wine
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 17, 2021, 03:08:09 AM
Welcome to heaven! And here is your first virgin

Sadly, you don't get virgins for martyrdom. There is still some disagreement  but it would seem that it is an error of transcription. If you read the Qur'an the martyr will be rewarded with a number of  dark eyed chaste women to wait upon their lifestyle needs and wives to deal with his more basic needs. Female martyrs get to be young and beautiful and forever live with their favourite husband. I'm betting she'd rather look old and frumpy and muscular to keep the husband at bay, but apparently that's not an option.

And don't tell the martyrs, but the non-martyr will enjoy the same benefits when they rock up later. Presumably the male non-martyrs will be of an age to satisfy the many wives and the martyr will turn up in one piece again.

As time passes the scholars up the ante to make sure they don't run out of volunteers which means there are more learned versions of "what the prophet meant" than the christian churches have. Which is why there is so much in-fighting between muslim followers.

Ain't religion great?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: steve98 on September 17, 2021, 06:13:03 AM
I heared it was raisins (Dried-up old fruits, haha), 72 raisins.
I also heared most of these martyrs are simpletons

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DHzkEzLJ7Rk/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 17, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
I've always kind of assumed that United 93 was shot down, but hushed up. I can at least see why a government would choose to do that unlike the conspiracy theories about lacing buildings with demolition charges.

I doubt that, they were actually pretty open about the fact that they sent jets to bring it down. In the "Surviving 9/11" docu on iPlayer, Heather Penney talks about how her and another pilot were ordered to bring it down, but didn't have time to arm their F-16s so basically would have to ram it, killing themselves in the process, which they both went off to do without any hesitation. In the end they didn't need to of course, but damn imagine going to work one morning and being told you'll be committing suicide as part of the day's duties.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 17, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
imagine going to work one morning and being told you'll be committing suicide as part of the day's duties.

I think we've all had days where we've hoped that would happen.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 17, 2021, 10:56:57 AM
Haha, fair point
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 17, 2021, 03:59:16 PM
I doubt that, they were actually pretty open about the fact that they sent jets to bring it down. In the "Surviving 9/11" docu on iPlayer, Heather Penney talks about how her and another pilot were ordered to bring it down, but didn't have time to arm their F-16s so basically would have to ram it, killing themselves in the process, which they both went off to do without any hesitation. In the end they didn't need to of course, but damn imagine going to work one morning and being told you'll be committing suicide as part of the day's duties.

There is a decent chance they could've rammed it and survived, to be fair. Either via ejection or absolute sheer luck-- there's been plenty of cases in historical and recent warfare of jets surviving ramming operations. It's not far off to call it suicidal though. Maybe 25% chance of surviving.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 17, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
I'd give them a 0% chance of surviving ejection at 35,000ft.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 17, 2021, 04:59:58 PM
I doubt that, they were actually pretty open about the fact that they sent jets to bring it down. In the "Surviving 9/11" docu on iPlayer, Heather Penney talks about how her and another pilot were ordered to bring it down, but didn't have time to arm their F-16s so basically would have to ram it, killing themselves in the process, which they both went off to do without any hesitation. In the end they didn't need to of course, but damn imagine going to work one morning and being told you'll be committing suicide as part of the day's duties.

I’d probably say I won’t be dying cheers but feel free to ask me to do any other things that don’t get me killed.  Sign off with a couple of kisses and leave it
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 17, 2021, 05:01:01 PM
I'd give them a 0% chance of surviving ejection at 35,000ft.

Depends if they do it into a sock
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 17, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
I'd give them a 0% chance of surviving ejection at 35,000ft.

Why so? The largest concern would be temperature. Seats made since the 70s have inbuilt oxygen supplies and altimeters for automatic chute deployment.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 17, 2021, 08:02:29 PM
Regarding the Hoover Dam as a terrorist target, that reminds me of a documentary a few years back, called something like The Earth After People. It looks at what would happen if humanity suddenly vanished, how the planet would return to nature and all trace of mankind’s presence would gradually decay and disappear. One thing it suggested was that, because the Hoover Dam is such a massive humongous chunk of concrete, it would be the last remaining human artefact.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 17, 2021, 08:03:32 PM
Regarding the Hoover Dam as a terrorist target, that reminds me of a documentary a few years back, called something like The Earth After People. It looks at what would happen if humanity suddenly vanished, how the planet would return to nature and all trace of mankind’s presence would gradually decay and disappear. One thing it suggested was that, because the Hoover Dam is such a massive humongous chunk of concrete, it would be the last remaining human artefact.

Life After People, great show, good for background noise when sleeping too
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 17, 2021, 08:04:49 PM
That’s the one, thanks JD.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Lord Mandrake on September 17, 2021, 10:55:10 PM
Why so? The largest concern would be temperature. Seats made since the 70s have inbuilt oxygen supplies and altimeters for automatic chute deployment.

Yeah I reckon they would be human shaped ice by the time they reach 15,000ft
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:16:12 PM
I’ve never heard it said explicitly that martyrs receive 72 virgins to be used for sex, just that they receive 72 virgins. I like to imagine that when they get to heaven Allah is just stood there grinning and says “thanks for the Jihad, here are your virgins” and presents them with a 72pc lucky dip of toddlers, dogs and Susan Boyles. Go on, enjoy forevermore, fuckwits.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 17, 2021, 11:17:19 PM
I’d probably say I won’t be dying cheers but feel free to ask me to do any other things that don’t get me killed.  Sign off with a couple of kisses and leave it

I’d just send a copy of my out of hours email to them and say something happened with my email and didn’t see it till the next day

Any other suicide missions going on today I’m nailed on for mind, just let me know thumbsup
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 11:19:00 PM
Why is terrorist the only occupation to have an official suicide version
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 17, 2021, 11:19:36 PM
The Martyrs I feel sorry for are the Metric ones. I don't know how many of them actually made the ultimate sacrifice, and I can't actually recall any suicide bombings at the metre stick factory, but reckon it must have been a few thousand.

And now heaven is here, in Great Britain, at long last!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Kankurette on September 17, 2021, 11:20:24 PM
Why is terrorist the only occupation to have an official suicide version
Pilots? In '40s Japan, anyway. Also presumably anyone who pilots a plane that drops a big old nuclear warhead, if they get caught in the explosion.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 11:21:30 PM
What about suicide milkmen?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on September 17, 2021, 11:21:49 PM
The Martyrs I feel sorry for are the Metric ones. I don't know how many of them actually made the ultimate sacrifice, and I can't actually recall any suicide bombings at the metre stick factory, but reckon it must have been a few thousand.

And now heaven is here, in Great Britain, at long last!

Here you go mate, welcome to heaven, your 70 yards of virgins are just over there


NOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 17, 2021, 11:22:59 PM
Just have a few pints every night until you're dead from pints. Easiest matyrdom ever.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 17, 2021, 11:24:43 PM
I’ve never heard it said explicitly that martyrs receive 72 virgins to be used for sex, just that they receive 72 virgins. I like to imagine that when they get to heaven Allah is just stood there grinning and says “thanks for the Jihad, here are your virgins” and presents them with a 72pc lucky dip of toddlers, dogs and Susan Boyles. Go on, enjoy forevermore, fuckwits.

What happens if Susan Boyle does a terrorism for Allah?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:32:32 PM
Why is terrorist the only occupation to have an official suicide version

Light Brigade. Balaclava Cardigan cunts.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 17, 2021, 11:33:16 PM
What happens if Susan Boyle does a terrorism for Allah?

She’s done several, but she’s as yet unmartyred.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 18, 2021, 12:33:44 AM
The Martyrs I feel sorry for are the Metric ones. I don't know how many of them actually made the ultimate sacrifice

If I recall correctly, it was around eight hundred pounds and fourteen ounces worth of Metric Martyrs.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 12:38:55 AM
Are we talking long metric martyrs or short?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 18, 2021, 12:45:01 AM
The Metric Matyrs is the stupidest name ever
Al Qaeda isn't called Christianity Club
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 01:06:39 AM
Is a martyr still equal to about 0.405 hectmarts?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: famethrowa on September 18, 2021, 01:48:08 AM
Why is terrorist the only occupation to have an official suicide version

RAF Vulcan pilots in the 60s? Maybe they were terrorists, oooh makes ya think
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 18, 2021, 01:50:21 AM
Suicide confectioner
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 02:33:15 AM
Christianity Club

I like it!! Dunno how well it will go down with the chaps at work though...
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: batwings on September 18, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
Pilots? In '40s Japan, anyway. Also presumably anyone who pilots a plane that drops a big old nuclear warhead, if they get caught in the explosion.

The Japanese also fielded sea Kamikazes who operated torpedos or speedboats or submarines, as well as Kamikaze frogmen during WW2.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 18, 2021, 12:39:18 PM
Yeah I reckon they would be human shaped ice by the time they reach 15,000ft

I did some (admittedly soft) research and the highest survived ejections have been up to 45,000 and 35,000 was the range for the first successful tests, so I'd imagine 35,000 is well within surviveable range, just not a great range.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: batwings on September 18, 2021, 12:41:44 PM
I expect they have some sort of hot water bottle.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 18, 2021, 04:41:08 PM
If you eject at 35,000 feet you don't stay there very long. Less than a minute or two in most cases I was reading about.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: seepage on September 18, 2021, 05:28:14 PM
In the 1950s the US had a tactical nuclear recoilless smoothbore gun with a range of about a mile. Supposedly safe for the crew but would you want to be only a mile away from a tactical nuke going off?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 18, 2021, 05:52:24 PM
In the 1950s the US had a tactical nuclear recoilless smoothbore gun with a range of about a mile. Supposedly safe for the crew but would you want to be only a mile away from a tactical nuke going off?

Terrible comparison, frankly.

You're talking about the Davy Crockett, firstly it was first adopted in the early 1960s, and it was never "supposedly" safe for the crew; its functional range was always within the radius of potential fall-out, however it was well within you could call a "safe" dose of radiological contamination from a "nearby" nuclear detonation. Crews deigned to use the Davy Crockett would typically be mounted (IE in vehicles) and would be wearing partial or full NBC gear while operating it (not least because the scenario one would be used in would be the end of the world, with several tactical nuclear uses already ongoing as well as a chemwar that would be thrice as worse. I can elaborate if anyone cares.) The light variant had a range of 1.25 miles and the heavy variant had a range of 2.9 miles, while the calculated theoretical fatal range for it was about 400 metres, which is significantly beneath the maximum range. The real risk would be wind carrying fall-out toward you after launch rather than immediate radiation exposure from the blast itself.

 The Davy Crockett was, overall, more of a tactical radiation delivery system than a blast weapon anyway; it was never intended to be used against specific targets, but instead to salt the earth around the Fulda Gap and other land transit zones in Europe (and potentially the USA's borders)  to prevent infantry/armor transport in the case of a "Red Steamroller" scenario. They were superseeded by the nuclear landmines that were used in the Fulda Gap until the end of the Cold War, and it's very unlikely that they would've actually seen tactical use. Most soldiers trained in use of them, in anecdotal remarks I've seen, have talked about how they basically never expected to use them, and many had objections to using them (primarily out of personal safety concerns). There are of course plenty of men who would've fired one but still. You hear similar things about SADMs -- Special Atomic Demolition Munitions -- which were intended for the same purposes. SOme blokes think they were suicide jobs to be assigned and others (and the usage manual) believed it was possible to deploy one, get to a distance, and detonate it safely.

Comparing a tactical nuclear weapon; something only given a first pass of practical definition/testing and no tactical in-field usage, to ejections -- which are a direct lifesaving measure which have a proven survival rate overall and are used very regularly and very rigorously in airborne warfare -- is so wrong-headed I don't really know where to begin.

Considering there are several pilots who have survived ejections at or near 35,000 feet, and nobody who has documentedly survived a Davy Crockett going off in combat, I don't think the two are even a valid comparison. Nevermind the fact there are several pilots who've survived more than one in-combat ejection.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 06:49:46 PM
I doubt that, they were actually pretty open about the fact that they sent jets to bring it down. In the "Surviving 9/11" docu on iPlayer, Heather Penney talks about how her and another pilot were ordered to bring it down, but didn't have time to arm their F-16s so basically would have to ram it, killing themselves in the process, which they both went off to do without any hesitation. In the end they didn't need to of course, but damn imagine going to work one morning and being told you'll be committing suicide as part of the day's duties.

Didn’t have time to arm their plane, or fired all of their bullets at United 93, hmm?

Heather Penney is an anagram of “heat the panty”, so I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 18, 2021, 07:10:05 PM
Terrible comparison, frankly.

You're talking about the Davy Crockett...  ...combat ejection.


Thankyou for that,
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 09:54:56 PM
Them Al Qaeda boys were lame. I’m going to do a 9/11, but using a Saturn V.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 18, 2021, 10:03:41 PM
Al Qaeda are rubbish. Booooooooooo Al Qaeda.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 18, 2021, 10:05:40 PM
ISIS would've had a quality HD camera recording for the first plane and the Pentagon
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 18, 2021, 10:08:28 PM
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark mull over a rewrite.

"Al Qaeda, compared to Enola Gay 9/11 was weedier...."
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: beanheadmcginty on September 18, 2021, 10:30:41 PM
One of the lesser acknowledged results of 9/11 was that everyone decided that it was definitely spelt Muslim. Before that, we all spelt it Moslem. I remember clearly because my mate at school was one.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 18, 2021, 10:34:46 PM
Remember when those old school Monday Club type racists used to say Mohammedans?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 18, 2021, 10:36:37 PM
Does anything compare to 9/11? The closest I can think is MJ dying. Maybe the boxing day tsunami or a few election poll results.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 18, 2021, 10:39:42 PM
Does anything compare to 9/11?

The now-Muslim Sinead O'Connor mulls over a title for a rewrite of her biggest hit.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JaDanketies on September 18, 2021, 10:45:44 PM
Imagine if Michael Jackson had been on one of them planes. What would the newsreader lead with?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 18, 2021, 10:50:42 PM
Imagine if Michael Jackson had been on one of them planes. What would the newsreader lead with?

If he was and Al Qaeda were right about martyrs, I'd have felt sorry for those little lads in Paradise...
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: JamesTC on September 18, 2021, 10:54:51 PM
The North Tower has been hit by-
The North Tower has been struck by-
A smooth criminal
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 18, 2021, 11:19:05 PM
What did your hero Jeremy Corbyn, the elderly benevolent wizard relative, do when he heard about the tragedy? Have a big wank, I suppose?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 18, 2021, 11:24:53 PM
Does anything compare to 9/11?

Everything does. That’s what comparisons are.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 18, 2021, 11:35:58 PM
So Jeremy Corbyn was technically involved in 9/11? Interesting to see that confirmed
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 18, 2021, 11:53:48 PM
So Jeremy Corbyn was technically involved in 9/11? Interesting to see that confirmed

I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to bring up Jeremy Corbyn, the grandsire conjurer. You people are obsessed.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: gib on September 18, 2021, 11:54:40 PM
Crews deigned to use the Davy Crockett would typically be mounted

kennethwilliams.jpg
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: touchingcloth on September 19, 2021, 12:00:40 AM
I think it was Jeremy Corbyn who said “let’s roll”, but he was talking about jam in crêpes.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 19, 2021, 12:09:46 AM
We were supposed to go straight from September 10th to September 12th that fateful year but SOMEONE in the secret socialist Islington elite said "oh no, I had a lovely vegan curry breakfast planned to raise money for cuba on that day" and they reinstated it.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: jobotic on September 19, 2021, 12:13:34 AM
I said "these courgettes taste like heaven" not "do a nine eleven".
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 19, 2021, 12:24:14 AM
Secret service aid: Sir, there's been an attack in New York, we think its the work of
George W Bush: enchanted Catweazle! I want an armed guard around the tofu aisle
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 19, 2021, 01:05:04 AM
“Nine Eleven” and “Jeremy Corbyn” both have the same metre or rhyme or whatever it’s called. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on September 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM
If you write Jeremy Corbyn in Wingdings font it says 'Mohammed Atta'.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on September 19, 2021, 02:50:55 AM
If you write Jeremy Corbyn but instead of using the correct letters or the right amount of them you write something else instead, you might end up with the full text of Mein Kampf
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 19, 2021, 07:39:10 AM
Remember when those old school Monday Club type racists used to say Mohammedans?
It makes sense:
Christ -> Christian
Buddah -> Buddist
Whizzer -> Whizz Kids
Chips -> Chip-ites
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 19, 2021, 08:12:12 AM
I was legitimately quite terrified my effortpost would have me branded as some pro-nuke war mongering tosser but it's really just a topic I've read a lot about, mostly out of fear/hatred for nuclear arms and proliferation. Much as I hate nuclear weapons I think it's important to be informed and realistic about them.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: pigamus on September 19, 2021, 09:13:08 AM
Imagine if Michael Jackson had been on one of them planes. What would the newsreader lead with?

He’s out of my life
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: kalowski on September 19, 2021, 09:51:28 AM
Imagine if Michael Jackson had been on one of them planes. What would the newsreader lead with?
Wacko Jacko Building Smacko
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MojoJojo on September 19, 2021, 10:19:29 AM
I'm sure it's been tightened significantly but even now, if somebody who knew how to fly a plane could get into a cockpit, I think there would be very little anybody could do about it in time to mitigate a disaster.

There have been a couple of sonic booms here in Cambridge which have been reported as fighter jets going to "escort" passenger planes whose radios have stopped working. So I think it would be a lot more challenging.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Replies From View on September 19, 2021, 10:35:37 AM
Life After People, great show, good for background noise when sleeping too

“background noise for when the human race has all died off” is the hoover dam’s code name
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: idunnosomename on September 20, 2021, 08:50:55 PM
Sunshine

Moonlight

Good times

Jet fuel
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Pavlov`s Dog`s Dad`s Dead on September 20, 2021, 10:01:41 PM
Pilots? In '40s Japan, anyway. Also presumably anyone who pilots a plane that drops a big old nuclear warhead, if they get caught in the explosion.
Speaking of Vulcan pilots, weren't they issued with piratical eyepatches, so that they would have one usable eye after the flash?

But speaking of suicide missions, sooner or later, the plane would run out of fuel. Where would they land? Still, at least they had better options than their ground crew. I once got chatting to a former Vulcan fitter. I asked him that question, and he said his plan was to smoke a cigarette once the bombers had scrambled. He reckoned he would just about have had enough time to finish it before the Soviet missiles arrived on base.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 20, 2021, 11:45:33 PM
Speaking of Vulcan pilots, weren't they issued with piratical eyepatches, so that they would have one usable eye after the flash?
V-bomber pilots (don't forget the Victor and Valiant squadrons as well) were issued with eyepatches to use on the run-in to the target to try and preserve thier eyesight for as long as possible as the flashes from the first strike attacks were going off. Both pilots would put on their eyepatches, the first flash would blind them both in one eye. The captain would then remove his patch and use his remaining eye. The next flash would blind that eye, so then the copilot would remove his patch and fly using his remaining eye.

However, most of the run-in would be guided by the navigation team (the Nav Plotter and Nav Radar, who sat in the rear crew position alongside the AEO, who took care of communications and defensive countermeasures) via radar, so they had zip-on blackout blinds on the cockpit windows that would only be removed prior to the final stages of the bomb delivery manouver (a variant of toss bombing where the bomb was released in a climb and followed a parabolic trajectory slowed by a parachute, to allow the delivery aircraft a chance to clear the target zone).

Later on, when the difficulty of delivering a freefall bomb against heavily defended targets became apparent, around half of the Vulcan and Victor squadrons changed from delivering the Yellow Sun Mk2 freefall bomb (whixh was a Yellow Sun Mk1 casing with the original British-designed Green Grass warhead replaced with the US-derived Red Snow warhead) to the Blue Steel standoff missile, which also carried the Red Snow warhead and could be released up to 500 miles from it's intended target. Blue Steel was, however, notoriously unreliable, so the crews still trained to be able to drop it as a freefall weapon in the event of a system failure.
Quote
But speaking of suicide missions, sooner or later, the plane would run out of fuel. Where would they land? Still, at least they had better options than their ground crew. I once got chatting to a former Vulcan fitter. I asked him that question, and he said his plan was to smoke a cigarette once the bombers had scrambled. He reckoned he would just about have had enough time to finish it before the Soviet missiles arrived on base.
The flight crews were given no plans for what to do if they survived their attack run. They knew it would be pointless returning home as the UK woudl be glass and cinders by that point, and they didn't have the fuel to do so anyway. They used to joke that in that eventuality best they could hope would be to get as far east as they could and 'marry a plump Mongolian woman and raise a new family'.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 21, 2021, 12:07:25 AM
Always like seeing a Buzby reply.

Re: Avro, my wife’s family members were instrumental in the Canadian branch of the organization in the ‘50s when the shenanigans around the CF 105 Arrow (ordered for production by the RCAF in 1958, order canceled by Diefenbaker and all plans, prototypes and production line tools ordered destroyed). Everything was cut into pieces not exceeding 2” cubes.

The story goes it was a far superior plane to anything the Americans managed, and a Canadian alternative would have put their aircraft industry out of business so a backroom deal was done to not only cancel the project, but destroy it utterly in such a way it could never be recreated.

The Canadian Avro engineers were all laid off because the company had been essentially shuttered by the federal government, so a lot of them moved to the US and giving the American space program a helping hand. Anyway, I had no idea Avro had a UK branch but I recognized the name (and the plane silhouette actually) and thought that bit of boring plane history might be of interest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: Pavlov`s Dog`s Dad`s Dead on September 21, 2021, 12:11:24 AM
That's fascinating extra information, Buzby, as ever from you. Thank you.

As always when I contemplate these matters, I am struck by the complete mismatch between, on the one hand, the imagination that has gone into, say, the sequence of eyepatch deployments between captain and co-pilot, and on the other, the total lack of imagination regarding the unspeakable consequences should such baroque procedures ever have to have been put into action in anger.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: imitationleather on September 21, 2021, 12:13:55 AM
I'll just add to the chorus of appreciating how interesting that post was.

And I don't give a shit about planes!
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: mothman on September 21, 2021, 12:41:41 AM
Blue Steel was, however, notoriously unreliable

(https://c.tenor.com/bqD1jUOGP28AAAAC/zoolander-blue-steel.gif)

(I love Buzby posts!)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: famethrowa on September 21, 2021, 12:46:30 AM
Yes thanks all, I'm fairly plane/military ignorant but the Vulcans are fascinating. These anachronistic, lumbering, howling instruments of world destruction. Also that maybe a talented pilot could have spent twenty years in the service, doing nothing but sleeping in a hut next to the runway through the 60s and 70s, and only getting to do a fairly futile bombing run to the Falklands and back?
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 21, 2021, 01:49:32 AM
Always like seeing a Buzby reply.

Re: Avro, my wife’s family members were instrumental in the Canadian branch of the organization in the ‘50s when the shenanigans around the CF 105 Arrow (ordered for production by the RCAF in 1958, order canceled by Diefenbaker and all plans, prototypes and production line tools ordered destroyed). Everything was cut into pieces not exceeding 2” cubes.

The story goes it was a far superior plane to anything the Americans managed, and a Canadian alternative would have put their aircraft industry out of business so a backroom deal was done to not only cancel the project, but destroy it utterly in such a way it could never be recreated.

The Canadian Avro engineers were all laid off because the company had been essentially shuttered by the federal government, so a lot of them moved to the US and giving the American space program a helping hand. Anyway, I had no idea Avro had a UK branch but I recognized the name (and the plane silhouette actually) and thought that bit of boring plane history might be of interest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
Avro Canada was the result of the rather strange, patrician attitude some parts of UK industry had to the Empire and export markets. Rather than just setting up a local importer or assembly facility to put together knock-down kits supplied from the UK, companies like Avro, De Havilland and Plessey set up what were to all intents and purposes completely independent subsidiary companies. It's the reason why there is still a Plessey Portugal and Plessey South Africa, decades after the original parent was consumed by GEC and Siemens

In Avro's case there was some technology transfer between the two, however - the CF105 benefitted from the delta wing research that was done for the Vulcan (which originated from material liberated from Germany at the end of WWII) and the Iroquois engine was very much a child of the Bristol Olympus used in the Vulcan (the Olympus was one of the engines being considered for the Arrow project initially). My uncle worked on the shop floor at A.V. Roe's headquarters in Woodford near Manchester, assembling and painting Shackletons, Vulcans, Nimrods, the tanker conversions on the Victor Mk2 and the initial stages of the disastrous Nimrod AEW3 before he was made redundant.

The fate of the Arrow very much foreshadowed what would happen to the BAC TSR.2 in the mid-60s - a potentially world-beating aircraft that was far in advance of what the US were developing at the time which was cancelled due to political manouvering both at home and abroad, and all the jigs, tooling and drawings were totally destroyed almost immediately. At least two of the five completed prototypes still survive in some form or other, unlike the Arrow (the other three, including the only one that flew, were taken to Shoeburyness ranges and used as artillery targets), and the Olympus 22R engines developed for it were combined with the delta wing experience from the Vulcan in the Concorde programme. Sir Sidney Camm, the chief designer at Hawker, said of the TSR.2 "All modern aircraft have four dimensions: span, length, height and politics. TSR-2 simply got the first three right.". The same quote would apply to the Arrow as well.

Yes thanks all, I'm fairly plane/military ignorant but the Vulcans are fascinating. These anachronistic, lumbering, howling instruments of world destruction. Also that maybe a talented pilot could have spent twenty years in the service, doing nothing but sleeping in a hut next to the runway through the 60s and 70s, and only getting to do a fairly futile bombing run to the Falklands and back?
The one thing a Vulcan was not was lumbering! It had all the manouverability of a fighter, and in high level fighter assimilation training the Vulcan could comfortably outmanouver the fighters of the day due to it's large, lightly-loaded delta wing. That same light wing loading is the reason why it carried on in the bomber role after the switch to low-level attack tactics - the Victor, which was faster, carried more bombs in the conventional role and was arguably the better pure bomber, had a higher wing loading which led to a bumpier ride and increased fatigue in the rougher air conditions at low level. After the experience of the Valiant's premature wing spar failures, they took no chances and the Victors were gradually converted to the airborne refuelling role to replace the Valiants.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: MikeP on September 21, 2021, 03:16:33 AM
The one thing a Vulcan was not was lumbering! It had all the manouverability of a fighter

Until they broke up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRKFkkyxh0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRKFkkyxh0)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 21, 2021, 08:47:32 AM
Until they broke up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRKFkkyxh0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRKFkkyxh0)
That was VX770, the first prototype that had already led a hard life before being handed over to Rolls Royce to use as an engine testbed. It was very different to a production standard Vulcan - the Olympus engines were not ready so it was built to use the smaller Rolls Royce Avon engines instead, and was later fitted with Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire engines used in the Victor Mk1. To make up for the lack of power, it was built a lot lighter than the production versions, and was also initially built without wing fuel tanks, which were later retrofitted. The early B1 prototypes, and VX770 in particular, had very different wing structures to the production versions. Issues had been seen by Avro with stress-related cracking in the leading edge spar and wing ribs on both VX770 and it's sister VX777 (the first to be powered by the intended Olympus engines) and they had implemented a system of pre-flight checks to look for them. The B1 production versions were built with a redesigned, much stronger lower front spar to counteract this, and the later B2 version had a totally different 'kinked' leading edge design to reduce aerodynamic stresses in that area.

VX770 was handed over to Rolls Royce in 1957 to use as a flying testbed for the development of the Conway engine for the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8, Vickers VC10 and in military form the Victor Mk2 (one of the reasons it was selected for this task was due to it having the same Sapphire engines fitted as the Victor Mk1). The Conway was the first high-bypass turbofan (where most of the thrust is produced by cold air being blown around the outside of the engine core by a large turbine attached to the front), and as such when fitted to the Vulcan testbed the vibrations and stresses in the wing from the massive increase in airflow though the intake ducts over it's original engines would have been very different to what it had been designed for.

In the subsequent Board Of Inquiry,. Rolls Royce's engineer on the panel stated that the accident had been caused by the crew exceeding the agreed limits of the aircraft. The panel were not told that Avro considered that statement to be invalid - Avro and RAF pilots had been demonstrating the Vulcan with similar displays for the past 6 years. VX770 however had led a particularly punishing previous life being pushed to (and sometimes beyond) it's limits by test pilots in aerobatic displays to 'show off' the Vulcan at airshows, and not long before the accident had needed one of the wing skin panels re-rivetting at it had come loose.

The lead technical investigator on the panel identified the cause being a fatigue failure of one of the main wing attachment points near the intake duct and suggested it was the vibrations from the increased airflow of the Conway engines that were the cause. Avro's Vulcan chief test pilot Tony Blackman, who was well aware of the stress cracking issues on the prototype Vulcan wings, also argued that Rolls Royce's maintenance crews were not implementing the extra checks on the leading edge wing structure that Avro had introduced.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 21, 2021, 09:43:18 AM
V-bomber pilots (don't forget the Victor and Valiant squadrons as well) were issued with eyepatches to use on the run-in to the target to try and preserve thier eyesight for as long as possible as the flashes from the first strike attacks were going off. Both pilots would put on their eyepatches, the first flash would blind them both in one eye. The captain would then remove his patch and use his remaining eye. The next flash would blind that eye, so then the copilot would remove his patch and fly using his remaining eye.

However, most of the run-in would be guided by the navigation team (the Nav Plotter and Nav Radar, who sat in the rear crew position alongside the AEO, who took care of communications and defensive countermeasures) via radar, so they had zip-on blackout blinds on the cockpit windows that would only be removed prior to the final stages of the bomb delivery manouver (a variant of toss bombing where the bomb was released in a climb and followed a parabolic trajectory slowed by a parachute, to allow the delivery aircraft a chance to clear the target zone).

Later on, when the difficulty of delivering a freefall bomb against heavily defended targets became apparent, around half of the Vulcan and Victor squadrons changed from delivering the Yellow Sun Mk2 freefall bomb (whixh was a Yellow Sun Mk1 casing with the original British-designed Green Grass warhead replaced with the US-derived Red Snow warhead) to the Blue Steel standoff missile, which also carried the Red Snow warhead and could be released up to 500 miles from it's intended target. Blue Steel was, however, notoriously unreliable, so the crews still trained to be able to drop it as a freefall weapon in the event of a system failure.The flight crews were given no plans for what to do if they survived their attack run. They knew it would be pointless returning home as the UK woudl be glass and cinders by that point, and they didn't have the fuel to do so anyway. They used to joke that in that eventuality best they could hope would be to get as far east as they could and 'marry a plump Mongolian woman and raise a new family'.

Just to add on to this (it's a lot of fantastic information) but this is only wholly the case until about 1980; of course bomber attacks were on their way out as the first-line by then anyway, but flash-resistant PLZT lenses started development by both Western and (as far as we know) Eastern powers by the mid-70s, and were introduced in the US in 1980, though I found it hard to find out when they were truly adopted. They're a specified bit of kit - not something you'd wear on an average flight - but they effectively detect intense light coming into the goggles and dim (or go completely opaque, depending on model/light source) to prevent the pilot going blind.

It's also notable that most expected flight blindness during a nuclear exchange was expected to be temporary, not permanent, as even with freefall bombing the distances would be great enough to prevent permanent blindness (as would the presence of two, three layers of glass, one potentially polarized  between pilot and explosion). The expectation was about eight to ten minutes during daytime runs (when bombing was expected to be done anyway) and ten plus minutes at night.

They also look fucking baller, like something out of a cooler Star Wars:

(https://i.insider.com/5d94c2ae41753205982b6fe9?width=1136&format=jpeg)
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: studpuppet on September 21, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
Until they broke up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRKFkkyxh0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRKFkkyxh0)

Par for the course in those days:

https://youtu.be/J89GTFjEH-c?t=96 (https://youtu.be/J89GTFjEH-c?t=96)

Sixty-nine years since them slags smashed into the crowd at Farnborough and it still does my nut in.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: buzby on September 21, 2021, 10:42:27 AM
Just to add on to this (it's a lot of fantastic information) but this is only wholly the case until about 1980; of course bomber attacks were on their way out as the first-line by then anyway
The V-Force stood down as the UK's nuclear deterrent in 1970, with Yellow Sun and Blue Steel replaced by the Polaris submarine-launched ICBM. The RAF and Fleet Air Arm maintained a tactical nuclear capability with the new WE.177 weapon system. The Fleet Air Arm stood down it's WE.177s in 1992, the RAF continued it's tactical nuclear role until 1998. In eye protection terms, the RAF evolved to using a gold-plated goggles or visor lens on it's flying helmets, but there were not issued as routine due to the expense.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: robhug on September 21, 2021, 10:51:54 AM
on that 9/11 Bin Laden docu that was on I was surprised to learn that Osama decided to attack the US after the disgusting behaviour of the American golfer's during the 1999 ryder cup. He should have made more of that as we could have all got a bit more on board with his reasons rather thinking he was an out and out bad egg.
Title: Re: 20 years since them slags smashed into the twin towers...
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 21, 2021, 12:18:18 PM
The V-Force stood down as the UK's nuclear deterrent in 1970, with Yellow Sun and Blue Steel replaced by the Polaris submarine-launched ICBM. The RAF and Fleet Air Arm maintained a tactical nuclear capability with the new WE.177 weapon system. The Fleet Air Arm stood down it's WE.177s in 1992, the RAF continued it's tactical nuclear role until 1998. In eye protection terms, the RAF evolved to using a gold-plated goggles or visor lens on it's flying helmets, but there were not issued as routine due to the expense.

Ah, thanks for the info. I was aware of tests with gold visors in the US (where my knowledge mostly lies, since it's easier to find out about when you're immersed in sources for American military culture as it is) but had no idea about them in the UK.

Infact, belated edit, but my understanding is that gold visors were produced in relatively decent numbers in the US too but they were never used in day to day operations because they could be easily scratched.