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Title: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Custard on September 13, 2021, 12:29:41 PM
I remember really enjoying the first season as it felt so exciting and different and fresh. The 24 hour thing was a great idea, and it of course climaxes in a great and entertaining way

Second season, I'm struggling to remember anything about. I recall a foxy brunette lady leaping out of a plane after blowing it up. I remember an annoying family. Wasn't President Whatshisface doing something too?

Third season? Nope, that's all gone.

Didn't bother with the rest

So, was 24 good? Or was it a bit of a one season wonder? Did the concept get tired quite quickly? Or where there some decent later seasons?

It's crazy how massive it was at the time, yet hardly anyone seems to talk about it these days
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 12:42:14 PM
I would say it was a one-season wonder, but that one season can be any of them. They're all basically the same, so whichever you watch first will be your favourite. I enjoyed it well enough at least for the five seasons I watched, while acknowledging that it was completely brainless. Habib Marwan was a great villain.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 13, 2021, 01:11:54 PM
I remember thinking Season 2 had a better main plot than the first (or more compellingly high stakes, anyway) but the subplots were worse - even taking the first one's temporary amnesia subplot into account. I can't actually remember the rest, but one hilariously melodramatic Season 2 cliffhanger, in which Kim got her foot caught in a trap and a mountain lion popped up to menace her, is etched into my memory.

I must have been dead into it at first, because I missed the last episode of the first season and bought the DVD set just to see what happened. My Enthusiasm clearly waned after that though, as I never saw Season 3 or beyond.


I hold Jack Bauer responsible.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 13, 2021, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 13, 2021, 01:11:54 PM
I can't actually remember the rest, but one hilariously melodramatic Season 2 cliffhanger, in which Kim got her foot caught in a trap and a mountain lion popped up to menace her, is etched into my memory.

Ha, I was just about to bring that up as my main memory of the show, there were some very tense cliffhangers which were far better, but that was the show at its most ludicrous. Just looking at the wikipedia page now and it seems I stuck with it until season 8 where I lost interest half way through, and never bothered with the shorter "Live Another Day" and "Legacy" seasons, but I probably should have quit after season 5 as it was fairly poor after that.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: jobotic on September 13, 2021, 02:18:16 PM
Watched the first half of Season 1. Can't remember much about it but I know I was gripped but then he got his daughter back after twelve hours and then she instantly got captured again or something and I thought fuck this.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: kalowski on September 13, 2021, 02:28:50 PM
Put me down as another who'd come here to mention the mountain lion. Kim's every increasing jeopardy was ludicrous.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Custard on September 13, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Didn't she end up getting a job with Jack etc, even though she had zero qualifications and could barely even go to the corner shop without getting abducted?

I know they liked the actress and wanted to keep her around, but sheesh
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 13, 2021, 03:09:26 PM
I remember liking the first series a great deal although it was pretty evidently ludicrous right from the start.

Watched the second and possibly third series too but at some point I definitely started wondering when they were going to do something genuinely surprising like having them foil the terrorist plot after 9 hours and spend the remaining 15 episodes eating dinner, watching sitcoms and sleeping. A couple of them down the pub after work, someone going to Walmart. Possibly an episode focusing on the CTU nightwatchman doing a crossword or reading jazz mags.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 13, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: kalowski on September 13, 2021, 02:28:50 PM
Put me down as another who'd come here to mention the mountain lion. Kim's every increasing jeopardy was ludicrous.

Bad enough in isolation but comes an hour or two after being locked in a basement with a fella who's pretending the whole world has gone up in smoke and just before she gets caught up in an armed robbery.  Which comes as a bit of a shock after the light relief of the dad she babysits for murdering his wife opening the show.

I loved 24 when it first came out. Saw series 2 first, which for obvious reasons took some of the edge off series 1 when I saw it, but then it moved to Sky and I didn't see any series for years. Stumbled across series 4 on DVD on a dinner hour mooch and watched it all in practically one sitting. Nonsensical stuff but loved it.

Think i've probably seen a good proportion of the rest but they all just merge into one for me, with Logan's stupid face all over them.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: DrGreggles on September 13, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
S1 is one of the greatest seasons of TV ever.
2, 3 and 4 have their moments, but the rest was pretty forgettable.

I honestly believe that, if they had just done s1 and quit, it would be remembered as a classic show.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 13, 2021, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: jobotic on September 13, 2021, 02:18:16 PM
Watched the first half of Season 1. Can't remember much about it but I know I was gripped but then he got his daughter back after twelve hours and then she instantly got captured again or something and I thought fuck this.

I think they didn't know until it was too late that they'd been picked up for the full season so they had a mid-season "ending" and then had to spin wheels somewhat to get to the actual 24th episode because it wasn't a certainty they'd have to make it, hence the awful amnesia subplot.

Anyone who thinks season 1 is better than 2 or 3 is fucking mental, unless some of that comes from the novelty of having watched it when it was new.

The redemption of George Mason is one of my favourite TV subplots ever.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Bad Ambassador on September 13, 2021, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 13, 2021, 04:11:52 PM
I think they didn't know until it was too late that they'd been picked up for the full season so they had a mid-season "ending" and then had to spin wheels somewhat to get to the actual 24th episode because it wasn't a certainty they'd have to make it, hence the awful amnesia subplot.

Anyone who thinks season 1 is better than 2 or 3 is fucking mental, unless some of that comes from the novelty of having watched it when it was new.

The redemption of George Mason is one of my favourite TV subplots ever.

The nuclear bomb going off in Los Angeles, and then everyone being back at work a couple of hours later with all their original faces.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
Which series was it where the terrorist plots had a Russian dolls vibe, where each plot was actually diverting from an even bigger attack. I think there were three plots in total. Bonkers show.

Also fair play to Jack Bauer for overcoming a heroin addiction in about four hours.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 13, 2021, 04:51:20 PM
I was going to make some point about it being one of the first big shows of the bingewatch boxset era, but it probably doesn't benefit from watching it that way. When you watch one episode a week over several months, it's easier to ignore how ludicrously compressed the timeframe is really meant to be.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: studpuppet on September 13, 2021, 05:42:20 PM
I watched it until about 3pm on the first Day, when one of the characters very conveniently developed amnesia in lieu of a plot.

EDIT: the mother conveniently develops amnesia after her daughter conveniently went off a cliff in a car. Even the 24 Fandom page has trouble explaining it:

QuotePaulson sensed danger when the other agents didn't respond so he had Teri and Kim hide in a room. Jovan Myovic broke into the room where they were hiding right before Teri took a car from the garage. Jovan got in his car and drove after them. Teri tried to lose the car and turn on another street. While seeing if Jovan was chasing them, the car which Kim was in fell down the side of a hill and Teri assumed that she was dead.

With her shock at witnessing what she believed was Kim's death, Teri experienced Dissociative Amnesia and was unable to remember anything about her life.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: kidney on September 13, 2021, 05:43:13 PM
I like the episode where there's a mole in the CTU
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 13, 2021, 06:38:03 PM
I think we watched the first three seasons, by which time it wasn't on BBC2 anymore and so became too difficult to watch. It was starting to get samey anyway.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: MojoJojo on September 13, 2021, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 13, 2021, 04:51:20 PM
I was going to make some point about it being one of the first big shows of the bingewatch boxset era, but it probably doesn't benefit from watching it that way.

I think it might have been the first watercooler moment show, which just kept the tension up the whole time. Definitely influential.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mister Six on September 13, 2021, 06:59:30 PM
I think, incredibly, I watched all of these except for the reboot with the black bloke, even the made-for-TV movie with Tony Todd where the UN peacekeeper is a GODDAMN COWARDLY FRENCHMAN who has to be saved, or possibly semi-tragically killed, by ARE BRAVE BUAER.

It's absolutely a load of shit, but kind of gets more fun in the later seasons as they give up any pretence of plausibility and just have impossibly well-funded terrorists letting off mushroom clouds in LA etc every hour or two, while Jack wrinkles his brow and pants at something off screen. BINK BINK BINK BINK.

Although admittedly, my enjoyment was augmented by a now-defunct board that ripped the piss out of every episode, especially how Bauer ended up becoming an almost godlike figure whose every whim was always morally correct, and how any character who so much as questioned him would (at best) be humiliated, and at worst have to sacrifice themselves to attain redemption for transgressing the edicts of His Holiness, Jack of Bauer. This would even apply when, say, Jack decided torture was wrong after five seasons of doing exactly that, and then a few episodes later he'd clamp a car battery to someone's bollocks and torture would be fine again.

The last of the proper 24s is probably the most entertaining for Brits, because it has Chloe turning into the woman from The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, and Jack running around an authentically shit and drab corner of London, talking frantically about how some terrorist he glimpsed entering the Crown and Cushion or whatever "just went into the pahb". Always sounds weird when Americans say pub, but it's x1,000 when it's Jack bleedin' Bauer.

Quote from: Shameless Custard on September 13, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Didn't she end up getting a job with Jack etc, even though she had zero qualifications and could barely even go to the corner shop without getting abducted?

I know they liked the actress and wanted to keep her around, but sheesh

Her first scene is someone saying exactly that, so she hacks his email or something, and throws a sassy face, and then a couple of hours later begins a run of being incessantly kidnapped or menaced by terrorists/doomsday preppers/mountain lions/toddlers. Of course.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mister Six on September 13, 2021, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 13, 2021, 04:11:52 PM
I think they didn't know until it was too late that they'd been picked up for the full season so they had a mid-season "ending" and then had to spin wheels somewhat to get to the actual 24th episode because it wasn't a certainty they'd have to make it, hence the awful amnesia subplot.

The producers just wanted to let Jack's wife go to sleep for a few episodes, and the actress was fine with that, but the network demanded every character continue to be in peril throughout, hence the amnesia bullshit.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: stonkers on September 13, 2021, 07:26:08 PM
I was well into it for seasons 1-4, missed 5 (which I've heard is one of the better seasons), watched 6 and the TV movie then stopped bothering.

It's all pretty stupid but season one did somewhat try to maintain the 24 hour concept, Jack actually falls asleep at one point. Didn't the first couple of seasons try to claim it was happening in real time, then they ditched that when it became obvious the timescales made no sense at all.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 13, 2021, 07:39:56 PM
If we're ranking 24's greatest dorks, and we're not, I'd like to put Paul forward from series 4.

Jack steals his wife, tortures him with a lamp and then gets him off the life support to save a terrorist. Not a great day for the lad.

On the plus side, does get to shoot a gun.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 13, 2021, 07:44:54 PM
Huh, just looked it up, we watched the first four seasons and definitely started the fifth
Spoiler alert
when Jack had faked his death at the end of the previous season
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which was in 2006 when we'd just moved into the house we've lived in ever since. I recall I had this complicated setup involving an S-video cable adapter and possibly an early HDMI connected, so I could pipe pirated episodes from my laptop to the TV. It was the only way we could do it - if we just watched it in the laptop, we'd do so in bed, and then fall asleep in five minutes (new baby, we were so tired...).

Quote from: Spode on September 13, 2021, 07:39:56 PM
If we're ranking 24's greatest dorks, and we're not, I'd like to put Paul forward from series 4.

Jack steals his wife, tortures him with a lamp and then gets him off the life support to save a terrorist. Not a great day for the lad.

On the plus side, does get to shoot a gun.

Season 4 also had Shohreh Agdashloo in, to this day my wife does a mean impression of her saying "Behrooz" (the name of her character's son).
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 13, 2021, 09:11:34 PM

I would generally just avoid this sort of show but I just watched all of Homeland and somehow liked it ok so I'll give this a try since CaB doesn't universally hate it.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mobius on September 13, 2021, 09:26:16 PM
I loved it and still do. Some seasons are a bit weaker than others but they're basically all the same really. I read recently they're hoping to bring the show back with Bauer again, thank god. Wasn't into the non-Kiefer ones.

I've read all of the Vince Flynn novels so I've a pretty low bar for this sort of stuff.

Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 13, 2021, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: stonkers on September 13, 2021, 07:26:08 PM
I was well into it for seasons 1-4, missed 5 (which I've heard is one of the better seasons), watched 6 and the TV movie then stopped bothering.

It's all pretty stupid but season one did somewhat try to maintain the 24 hour concept, Jack actually falls asleep at one point. Didn't the first couple of seasons try to claim it was happening in real time, then they ditched that when it became obvious the timescales made no sense at all.

They didn't ditch it, they just truncated the opening voiceover. They also dropped the mention of what day it was ("of the California presidential primary"). But the time was always visible and it was implicit that it was in real time. Bet I'm being stupid and have misunderstood you.

Also, the idea of mini-screen shots of a character sleeping has really tickled me.

Still think about your one saying "Behrooz" all these years later as well. Nominated for an Oscar you know?
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: jobotic on September 13, 2021, 10:01:28 PM
Doctor, Doctor Dad, Dad...oh, I've been captured
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: ElTwopo on September 13, 2021, 10:18:09 PM
Can't remember the series when this happened, but when
Spoiler alert
Tony Almeida came back from the dead
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I did actually punch the air with glee.

I enjoyed it for 5 or 6 seasons. It's utter bollocks but also actually entertaining.

EDIT - the spoiler above apparently happened in Season 7 which I don't think I watched. So fuck knows. Or maybe I'm misremembering an earlier season. Help me Gamesmaster.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 13, 2021, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: ElTwopo on September 13, 2021, 10:18:09 PM
Can't remember the series when this happened, but when
Spoiler alert
Tony Almeida came back from the dead
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I did actually punch the air with glee.

I enjoyed it for 5 or 6 seasons. It's utter bollocks but also actually entertaining.

EDIT - the spoiler above apparently happened in Season 7 which I don't think I watched. So fuck knows.

Wasn't the justification for it that he didn't get the silent clock first time round so wasn't actually dead? Death juice got plunged directly into his heart but the clock chimed.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on September 13, 2021, 10:28:37 PM
Having never seen it, I declare it gimmicky shit
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 13, 2021, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 13, 2021, 09:49:31 PM
Still think about your one saying "Behrooz" all these years later as well. Nominated for an Oscar you know?

Yes, for The House Of Sand and Fog. I daren't watch The Expanse while my wife is around in case she finds out that Behrooz's mum is in it.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: BeardFaceMan on September 13, 2021, 10:39:48 PM
What was the clip from a Japanese show that had a 24 parody with the real Tony Almeida in it? It was suitably mental (possibly involving a Japanese man in his pants) and our Tone was very game and corpsing through it. I'm definitely sure that was something I saw and not dreamt.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 13, 2021, 10:42:12 PM
Didn't Jack get some hunky side-kick (Kim's boyfriend?) and cut the fucker's hand off? Also remember a Go-Betweens reference in one of the more boring series with Jack's dad in it. Easy to forget how gripping it was at the time. Was it the first programme to have after-show discussion programmes? I want to watch them all again now. Just thought about that horrible snivelling president they had in one of the series.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 13, 2021, 10:45:29 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on September 13, 2021, 10:42:12 PM
Didn't Jack get some hunky side-kick (Kim's boyfriend?) and cut the fucker's hand off?

Chase, played by James Badge Dale, who I last saw as one of the baddies in Iron Man 3. He lost his hand at the end of season 3.
Spoiler alert
The one where Jack cries at the end.
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Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mobius on September 13, 2021, 10:55:50 PM
Yeah that was a cool season. Salazar, the prison. Chase Edmunds was a good character. Also the same season with the Cordilla virus and English villain Stephen Saunders.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 13, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
Was Chase ever mentioned again? Never reappeared, for sure. EDIT: Oh, apparently he died did (https://24.fandom.com/wiki/Chase_Edmunds).
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mobius on September 13, 2021, 11:02:05 PM
I think it was implied he had died off-screen in season 6, as he was living in Valencia (LA) where the suitcase nuke went off. (edit just seen the above post RIP)

The actor went on to be in "Rubicon" which was a really underappreciated show.

Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: stonkers on September 13, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 13, 2021, 09:49:31 PM
They didn't ditch it, they just truncated the opening voiceover. They also dropped the mention of what day it was ("of the California presidential primary"). But the time was always visible and it was implicit that it was in real time. Bet I'm being stupid and have misunderstood you.

Also, the idea of mini-screen shots of a character sleeping has really tickled me.

That's what I mean, I took dropping the "events occur in real time" voiceover to mean that you weren't necessarily watching every scene sequentially, but the bits where they had the clock up were happening at the same time. I think they dropped mentioning what day it was after season one partly because they don't all run 12am to 12am.

Jack definitely nods off for a minute in the first season, I think there might be bits in other seasons where characters go for a nap for a few episodes then come back.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Rev+ on September 14, 2021, 01:12:22 AM
If you only watch one series, watch series 5.  It's the right mix of suspense, heart, and completely ridiculous bollocks.

The thing as a whole - I'm not surprised that's it's not mentioned too much these days.  It was a show that goes straight through you.  Fun while it lasts, but there's nothing to mull over once it's finished.  It's there and it's gone, but it's a fun ride.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: batwings on September 14, 2021, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on September 13, 2021, 10:39:48 PM
What was the clip from a Japanese show that had a 24 parody with the real Tony Almeida in it? It was suitably mental (possibly involving a Japanese man in his pants) and our Tone was very game and corpsing through it. I'm definitely sure that was something I saw and not dreamt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdRELMuS1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdRELMuS1E)

Still makes me laugh.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 14, 2021, 07:50:48 AM
Quote from: stonkers on September 13, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
That's what I mean, I took dropping the "events occur in real time" voiceover to mean that you weren't necessarily watching every scene sequentially, but the bits where they had the clock up were happening at the same time. I think they dropped mentioning what day it was after season one partly because they don't all run 12am to 12am.

The following events take place between 4am and 5am... and it's Tuesday.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: BeardFaceMan on September 14, 2021, 08:05:33 AM
Quote from: batwings on September 14, 2021, 07:22:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdRELMuS1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdRELMuS1E)

Still makes me laugh.

That's the chap, I was misremembering vest as pants. Ta muchly.

Edit - shit, totally forgot about Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: amateur on September 14, 2021, 08:30:19 AM
Season 1 was good, though suffered a bit from bafflingly only being initially commisioned for 12 episodes. Hence why they had to basically start again in the second half of the season.

Season 2 is superb and well worth another watch.

Season 5 is probably as good as two, everything else is pretty poor but diverting.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: batwings on September 14, 2021, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on September 14, 2021, 08:05:33 AM
That's the chap, I was misremembering vest as pants. Ta muchly.

Edit - shit, totally forgot about Michael Jackson.

This clip benefits from activating automated english subtitles.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Dave The Triffids on September 14, 2021, 08:53:12 AM
I started at season two (can't remember why I didn't watch the first series) and I loved it.  Absolutely bonkers and each season got progressively weaker, but at its best it was one of the most fun, adrenaline-fuelled TV series out there.
I've still never watched season one.  Given that it's generally thought of as the best, I might watch it soon and pretend it's a new prequel series of 24 with a digitally de-aged Kiefer Sutherland.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on September 14, 2021, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: mothman on September 13, 2021, 10:45:29 PM
Chase, played by James Badge Dale, who I last saw as one of the baddies in Iron Man 3. He lost his hand at the end of season 3.
Spoiler alert
The one where Jack cries at the end.
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James Badge Dale gave interviews before the season finale, where he spoilt a few things, probably with the intent of getting a larger part in the next series. The producers, in retaliation, changed a few things from the version that aired and didn't ask him back for season 4.

Season 1, in spite of its many flaws, was the most effective one.
Season 5 had a great twist and a great villain that elevated it immensely.
Season 2 got the flaws ironed out (apart from the Kim Bauer subplots), but it also started the transformation of Jack Bauer into this nearly mythological figure.
Season 3 was efficient, but also a little dull.
Season 4 was the one where the creator, Joel Surnow, indulged in a very hard way in his right wing ideas. The whole subplot with the "Amnesty Global" attorney (played by an actor associated with a Jewish character in the mind of the audience), or its defense of torture as the only way to extract information were quite cringe-indulging. That's the one where they gleefully torture the son of the Secretary of Defense (and Aubrey's brother), with the full support of the Secretary, because the polygraph showed that he was hiding something. The "something" being that he had a threesome with a girl and a dude, as he didn't want to reveal he was bi (or gay).
Still, it was season 6 that made me stop the show. The showrunner was Howard Gordon, with Surnow not having any involvement with the writing, but it was filled with stupid and pointless twists. The family soap opera about the Bauers, the retcons, and the fact that an hour after a whole area of L.A. was nuked we're back to a completely normal situation, without anybody panicking.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: sevendaughters on September 14, 2021, 09:08:39 AM
Awful post-Patriot Act copaganda that broke its own formal device to become just another show.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 14, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
I never watched a whole series, but a couple of years I got hooked midway through, and started watching another series or 2 at the start but got bored. It's not terrible as genre TV, but equally it's not good. Didn't people watch a series all in one go, wasn't that a thing? I suspect putting it on non-stop for 24 hours is probably the way to experience it so you can do other shit(s) during the boring bits. And then Homeland came out from (some of) the same people and critics were "a proper serious series at last" and soon it was exactly the same with endless gimmicks and stupid cliffhangers.

I remember lots of people being really excited because Sara Gilbert was in it and they fancied her from Roseanne. Not just for warmongerers and armchair torture fans! Other bonus stuff: giving Dennis Hopper another chance to be a psycho with a funny accent. And the fantastic Emmy the Great song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGverngX1Es).
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Bad Ambassador on September 14, 2021, 02:38:47 PM
I remember that it got to the point where Kiefer Sutherland had to do a public service announcement explaining that torture doesn't actually work.

I was a bit worried about his politics, but he's actually pro-socialised medicine and free universities and happy to be called a socialist, so that's something.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 14, 2021, 04:31:33 PM
He's also happy to be called a pirate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCiageqMHJc
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 14, 2021, 04:54:16 PM
Quote from: Bad Ambassador on September 14, 2021, 02:38:47 PM
I was a bit worried about his politics, but he's actually pro-socialised medicine and free universities and happy to be called a socialist, so that's something.

Not that surprising when you read about his granddad. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas)
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Better Midlands on September 14, 2021, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: Utter Shit on September 13, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
Which series was it where the terrorist plots had a Russian dolls vibe, where each plot was actually diverting from an even bigger attack. I think there were three plots in total. Bonkers show.

I watched at least the first 4/5 seasons and it was very enjoyable but I can't remember any plots. Didn't it get into a formula of 6x4hr or 4x6hr mini plots eventually?

Watched one or two seasons of Designated Survivor and thought it was pretty decent.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 14, 2021, 07:57:01 PM
Designated Survivor was OK but it suffered in some ways from the same problem 24 did. It depicted these seismic events and yet normal everyday life returns almost immediately. The US government is a huge entity yet everything is done by two or three people in a room rather than the huge assemblies of officials from literally any agency or department you could name and some you can't. The actual investigation into the attack that kicks off the story seems to be conducted by precisely two people.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: elliszeroed on September 14, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
I've watched all series, for my sins.

The best:

Season One: If only for the final episode, twist and carnage!

Season Five: Again, a great twist, and some awesome carnage.

Season Seven: Tony's back, a pretty decent plot and a great co-star in Annie Wersching. I think this is the one where terrorists, funded by the president of a Private Military Corporation (who was behind the hijinks in the TV Movie- Jonah Hodge?) take over the White House so that he can become part of American Foreign Policy.

Coda:
After the series ended there was 24: Live Another Day which I remember enjoying, but no details except that at the end Jack surrenders to the Russians in exchange for Chloe's life.

I think Tony was also in the reboot, 24: Legacy, because he needed work. A very boring subplot about the main characters brother who was a gang leader (yawn) who used to date his brothers girlfriend/ wife (double yawn) and the current girlfriend of the main characters brother being jealous (triple yawn).
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 14, 2021, 09:31:22 PM
What was the twist in season 5?
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 14, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
He'd won, everything is dandy... and then he's suddenly kidnapped by the Chinese - that he'd faked his death to escape at the end of season 4, after he killed someone in their LA consulate.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on September 15, 2021, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 14, 2021, 09:31:22 PM
What was the twist in season 5?

Spoiler alert
President Logan had been depicted as a weakling who doesn't understand much about what's happening. Then it is revealed he's been behind the whole events.
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Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on September 15, 2021, 01:17:06 AM
Quote from: mothman on September 14, 2021, 07:57:01 PM
Designated Survivor was OK but it suffered in some ways from the same problem 24 did. It depicted these seismic events and yet normal everyday life returns almost immediately. The US government is a huge entity yet everything is done by two or three people in a room rather than the huge assemblies of officials from literally any agency or department you could name and some you can't. The actual investigation into the attack that kicks off the story seems to be conducted by precisely two people.

Designated Survivor suffered from having a whole rotating cast of showrunners during the three seasons, that had conflicting ideas about the show. There were actually three different showrunners during season 1, where the emphasis was on the aftermath of the attack, and on the conspiracy. It was quite uneven (the drama with the kids...), but it told some consistent story.
Then, the guy who handled season 2 turned it into The West Wing 2.0, with some personal drama for the president. The original conspiracy is wrapped two episodes in, after some ham-fisted resolution. Maggie Q, who was supposed to be this show's Jack Bauer was by this point sidelined most of the time, and when an episode focused on her, the spy work was completely stupid. I remember that at some point she was supposed to interrogate somebody in a small town, but she would travel alone, without any reinforcement for no reason, she meets a group of bad guys, and then there's gunfire, which was what the writer and the showrunner desperately wanted to show from the start.
After two seasons, the show was canceled by ABC, as some clause in the contracts specified, on Kiefer Sutherland's behest, that production was supposed to move from Canada to L.A. (where he lives), which would result in the show being much more expensive to shoot. Netflix still picked the option, and there were ten more episodes, which I haven't seen, but apparently with another set of major cast and tone changes.

The show was extremely frustrating. With Trump's election, the writers had this unique opportunity to show what a maverick turned POTUS should do to bring people together and change the statu quo. Instead of that, we just got lame melodrama involving most of the time invented countries, as they didn't want to offend viewers.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mr Trumpet on September 15, 2021, 09:30:21 AM
I enjoyed the show, except the one where they kill off a load of long-term characters in episode one. And I didn't see much of the one set in the UK, even though I believe I know someone who was in it.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Gulftastic on September 15, 2021, 10:55:06 AM
It's the best box set programme ever. You can't watch just one.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: BritishHobo on September 15, 2021, 09:34:33 PM
Yeah. It's fucking awful, but it's incredible. Absolute batshit inconsistent nonsense, but so much fun. People always rag on Kim's season 2 plot, but it's exactly why the show is so good. Just bizarre, wonky Duplo-block plotting, smashing ridiculous setpieces together in the desire for ever-escalating stakes. Jack Bauer an unimpeachable robot, always in the right, kicking seven shades of shit out of the world. Its sense of morality was warped beyond reality, but it was a laugh seeing them constantly remaneuver things to always ensure the CTU gang had the moral high ground, even if they were doing something they previously stated explicitly was evil.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: paruses on September 15, 2021, 10:49:48 PM
Got quite invested in one of the series in a mad binge way. Couldn't even tell you what happened except that Jack Bauer had to execute  Father Intintola from The Sopranos and I think we were supposed to be pleased about it because he was such a jobsworth in CTU.

But the main thing I remember is the way the phones sounded in CTU. So cool. Always wanted a phone like that when desk phones existed.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mobius on September 15, 2021, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: paruses on September 15, 2021, 10:49:48 PM
Got quite invested in one of the series in a mad binge way. Couldn't even tell you what happened except that Jack Bauer had to execute  Father Intintola from The Sopranos and I think we were supposed to be pleased about it because he was such a jobsworth in CTU.

Genuinely harrowing. Ryan Chappelle wasn't a bad bloke really. Season 3 really did have some great moments.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: paruses on September 15, 2021, 11:16:39 PM
Yea - it was. I hate that kind of sequence anyway where someone is going to their own doom but in cold blood - but that 20 mins really sticks in my mind.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 16, 2021, 12:38:30 AM
Quote from: paruses on September 15, 2021, 10:49:48 PM
Got quite invested in one of the series in a mad binge way. Couldn't even tell you what happened except that Jack Bauer had to execute  Father Intintola from The Sopranos and I think we were supposed to be pleased about it because he was such a jobsworth in CTU.

But the main thing I remember is the way the phones sounded in CTU. So cool. Always wanted a phone like that when desk phones existed.

Ryan Chapelle. Season 2 and 3 I think?

They were video phones too. Not very good ones, might have had a portrait oriented screen? We have video phones now, some Cisco model. Do most of my meetings on them. They may even do the CTU ringtone, I've never bothered to find out but think I've heard others' do it.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Custard on September 18, 2021, 11:35:10 AM
The replies are making me what to seek out season 5. I'll be back (in 24 hours, give or take) to do a right moan if it's shite!
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Povidone on September 18, 2021, 11:38:27 AM
Well I for one bamlem jack buaer.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 18, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
Watched the fourth episode of season 1 last night.

Quare haircut Kiefer has in season 1.

Also all the women in it are absolutely tiny. Wonder when American TV let go of that blanket size zero only casting policy.

Don't recall seeing Tony in it, wonder is he a later addition?
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: elliszeroed on September 18, 2021, 05:04:24 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on September 18, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
Watched the fourth episode of season 1 last night.

Quare haircut Kiefer has in season 1.

Also all the women in it are absolutely tiny. Wonder when American TV let go of that blanket size zero only casting policy.

Don't recall seeing Tony in it, wonder is he a later addition?

Oh, he's in it. I remember one of his first lines to Nina being something alike "you can tell me what to do in work, but when we're at home, we're the same" - a bizarre line to tell the audience they were in a relationship.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 20, 2021, 06:12:38 PM
Jack Bauer casually asking Big Alan York/Kev Caroll where his wife was as BAY/KC fired around 6 bullets towards his unflinching face behind a bulletproof limo screen is a long forgotten highlight during this season one rewatch.

Halfway though and Jack showing admirable restraint with a murder count probably not even in double figures yet. Practically a day off.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on September 20, 2021, 07:06:50 PM
Is it season 1 where he threatens the lad with a towel? Never forgotten how vividly disgusting that was.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 20, 2021, 07:16:13 PM
 Very same. Was planning on pulling it out of his face just as his stomach got stuck into digesting it. Punched him so hard he had a heart attack and died instead. A real variety man.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
Jack Bauer really is one of the greatest action heroes of all time. An absolute maniac who will stop at nothing to do whatever the fuck it is he has to do.*

This is a man who, while handcuffed to an overhead pipe, once used his muscular thighs to snap a villain's neck. Has James Bond ever done anything as cool as that? No, he has not.

* The right-wing overtones of 24 never bothered me in the slightest, as it's such a stupid programme I could never take it seriously as a comment on anything. It was a deranged live-action cartoon in which a morally superior maverick superhero ran amok. Tremendous entertainment with no depth whatsoever.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: chveik on September 20, 2021, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
The right-wing overtones of 24 never bothered me in the slightest, as it's such a stupid programme I could never take it seriously as a comment on anything. It was a deranged live-action cartoon in which a morally superior maverick superhero ran amok. Tremendous entertainment with no depth whatsoever

hehe it was a bit more than that. (i do enjoy some right-wing art too tbf)
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mister Six on September 20, 2021, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: Spode on September 20, 2021, 07:16:13 PM
Very same. Was planning on pulling it out of his face just as his stomach got stuck into digesting it. Punched him so hard he had a heart attack and died instead.

And then cut off the bloke's thumb, IIRC.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 20, 2021, 07:47:08 PM
hehe it was a bit more than that. (i do enjoy some right-wing art too tbf)

Well yeah, it was basically an American imperialist fantasy in which a patriotic government agent killed loads of evil foreigners and traitors. But as I say, it was all so ridiculous and OTT I couldn't help but love it - while obviously being vehemently opposed to its crackpot politics.

As mentioned previously in the thread, Kiefer Sutherland is apparently a groovy left-wing type. His intensely deadpan performance as Jack always struck me as parodic on some level, although I could be projecting.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 20, 2021, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 20, 2021, 07:50:44 PM
And then cut off the bloke's thumb, IIRC.

That was some other jobber early doors. Jack turned up to help his mate escape with a key card. Up until that point, he hadn't killed anyone and seemed a pretty level headed government grafter. Shoots him, surveys the scene and cuts his fucking thumb off.

Hard to believe that the following day (in my head, they all play out over the course of a disastrous fortnight, each day understandably ageing him a couple of years)) he's cutting a paedo's head off simply for leverage.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 08:10:56 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 20, 2021, 07:50:44 PM
And then cut off the bloke's thumb, IIRC.

He once tortured someone with a standard lamp, didn't he? I always liked how we were supposed to accept that Jack had learned all these bizarre interrogation techniques during his special-op army years.

I mean, obviously those people are trained to commit horrific acts of torture, but Jack had an ingeniously violent solution for every single situation he ever found himself in. He was like Ray Mears gone rogue.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 20, 2021, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Spode on September 20, 2021, 08:06:08 PM
Hard to believe that the following day (in my head, they all play out over the course of a disastrous fortnight, each day understandably ageing him a couple of years)) he's cutting a paedo's head off simply for leverage.

One of my favourite 24 moments, that. Utterly absurd. Apart from the famous scene at the end of season 3 when
Spoiler alert
Jack understandably breaks down in tears
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, he was never shown to be remotely bothered by the hideous acts he committed during the course of each 24 hour mission. Was he a psychopath? I very much doubt that the writers ever stopped to consider that possibility.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: DrGreggles on September 20, 2021, 11:53:05 PM
I always loved how completely straight it's played by everyone*.
Never a light-hearted joke or a hint of sarcasm.
Every moment is delivered with maximum intensity.


*OK, apart from George and Chloe
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 21, 2021, 12:08:42 AM

I was certain this had Hugh Laurie as the main guy. Going to watch anyway
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 21, 2021, 12:36:52 PM
Sure I read that there was a drinking game where you had to down a shot whenever Jack said goddammit and when KS heard about it, he added a load more goddammits in to the script.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mr Trumpet on September 21, 2021, 01:32:14 PM
Whatever happened to the baby Chloe was keeping in her desk drawer?
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 21, 2021, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: Mr Trumpet on September 21, 2021, 01:32:14 PM
Whatever happened to the baby Chloe was keeping in her desk drawer?

https://24.fandom.com/wiki/Angela

Fucking plenty!

In my own head canon, I like to think she met and married Carole from The Brittas Empire's son Ben and they are happily living in one of those poxy little central London "studio apartments" that's effectively just a cupboard with access to a shared kitchen and toilet.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: sevendaughters on September 21, 2021, 04:36:06 PM
wrt Ballard/chveik's back and forth on right wing art, yeah same, I suppose this is something I realised after the fact too (wasn't a terribly critical viewer when it came out). By series 2 when they had the exact same set-up I was out based on incredulity rather than politics.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: kalowski on September 21, 2021, 08:53:55 PM
This says a lot about me but when I try to remember what Chloe looked like I always get an image of Cassidy Klein.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 21, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
I'm guessing there'll have been a porn parody..!
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 21, 2021, 10:24:00 PM
The first episode was boring as fuck with office politics and family problems until
Spoiler alert
the woman blew up the airplane
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which was done in a ludicrous manner. It was as if they hadn't seen Phantom Menace.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mister Six on September 22, 2021, 03:24:35 AM
Fucking hell, I just remembered Chloe's husband, who was apparently produced in some kind of writer's room exquisite corpse session: "He's an English..." "...hacker, who's also a..." "...ladies' shoe salesman..." "...at Saks Fifth Ave. Perfect!"
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mobius on September 22, 2021, 05:01:56 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 22, 2021, 03:24:35 AM
Fucking hell, I just remembered Chloe's husband, who was apparently produced in some kind of writer's room exquisite corpse session: "He's an English..." "...hacker, who's also a..." "...ladies' shoe salesman..." "...at Saks Fifth Ave. Perfect!"

His name was Morris. I know this because my cat is named after him.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 22, 2021, 07:16:44 AM
Re: Chloe's husband, Morris.

The terrorists drilled in his shoulder with a drill
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: amateur on September 22, 2021, 09:42:43 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 22, 2021, 03:24:35 AM
Fucking hell, I just remembered Chloe's husband, who was apparently produced in some kind of writer's room exquisite corpse session: "He's an English..." "...hacker, who's also a..." "...ladies' shoe salesman..." "...at Saks Fifth Ave. Perfect!"

Charlie Brooker memorably described him as "the kind of man who'd put his thumb up your arse during sex", a description which I've never been able to shake.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mr Trumpet on September 22, 2021, 09:45:48 AM
Never mind Morris, what about poor old Edgar?
Spoiler alert
Too fat to run to safety? Saddest death in the show IMO
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Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 22, 2021, 09:52:39 AM
Yes I can still see his crestfallen face when he
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comes round the corner and sees all the hotter members of the cast have sealed themselves away from the poison gas and left him outside. "Sorry mate!"
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Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: druss on September 22, 2021, 07:20:33 PM
Haha making me miss 24.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Spode on September 22, 2021, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Trumpet on September 22, 2021, 09:45:48 AM
Never mind Morris, what about poor old Edgar?
Spoiler alert
Too fat to run to safety? Saddest death in the show IMO
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Not a lot of people know this but he was supposed to survive that. However the actor was such a fat shed, he died when his heart couldn't take doing a little jog. They left it in because it fitted the scene quite well. The bonus extras have it played out with Rollin' by Limp Bizkit.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on September 22, 2021, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: Mobius on September 22, 2021, 05:01:56 AM
His name was Morris. I know this because my cat is named after him.

Cats named after characters in 24, an occasional series.

There was a magnificently gorgeously ugly battered old tomcat who used to hang around our garden eying our girl cats. We learned later his name was Tommy and he'd been abandoned by his owners when they moved away. He was completely wild, wouldn't let anyone go near him except one lady who fed him.

But we called him Behrooz. MrsMoth would talk to him using her Shohreh Agdashloo impression. Over time that morphed into Bruce, after the shark in Jaws (Shark film).

Eventually he became ill and had to be taken to the vets - somehow, not like he'd let anyone get near him - and be put to sleep. We thought he might have fathered one of our girls' kittens but he was apparently snipped.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Mister Six on September 23, 2021, 03:16:18 AM
Quote from: amateur on September 22, 2021, 09:42:43 AM
Charlie Brooker memorably described him as "the kind of man who'd put his thumb up your arse during sex", a description which I've never been able to shake.

Imagine how Chloe felt.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: kalowski on September 23, 2021, 06:52:40 AM
Might explain why I get her confused with Cassidy Klein.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on October 10, 2021, 08:44:46 PM
Can anyone remember what the BBC discussion post-show show was called? Surprisingly hard to find on Google.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: mothman on October 10, 2021, 09:30:36 PM
Pure 24 according to BBC Genome. Doesn't ring a bell.
Title: Re: 24 - was it any good?
Post by: Magnum Valentino on October 10, 2021, 09:50:27 PM
Yeah that was it, can't see any episodes online though. Cheers!