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Title: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 13, 2021, 10:03:35 PM
I had an interview for a writer/editor position at an industry magazine for hospitality. I don't know anything about hospitality but I am a good writer, but there's something niggling me about the guys who interviewed me and I can't quite put my finger on it.

They seemed nice enough, but they mentioned that after their longtime editor had left after 8 years that they'd had trouble holding onto editors, and they mentioned that the sales team might be very un-PC (they had clocked me as an introvert during the interview) and asked me if that was an issue.

I'm not sure if it's old imposter rearing its head, and I shouldn't be so critical. Or if I'm just so desperate for a paid writing position that I'm ignoring something that doesn't sit right with me.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Zetetic on September 13, 2021, 10:06:47 PM
"very un-PC"?
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Zetetic on September 13, 2021, 10:07:41 PM
Hang on, why does a industry magazine for hospitality have a sales team?
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Zetetic on September 13, 2021, 10:08:12 PM
Wait a second, why is there an industry magazine for hospitality at all?
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Zetetic on September 13, 2021, 10:08:45 PM
Think this is just an elaborate front for some lads to be racist together for a few hours a week.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 13, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Hang on, why does a industry magazine for hospitality have a sales team?

To sell advertising, which is how they make their money. So the issue they had in front of me, the front cover had been bought. Which, whatever, writing puff pieces isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 13, 2021, 10:11:36 PM
"very un-PC"?

Yeeeeaaaah that was the biggest one. Also, I come from film and academic writing and they've given me a brief before the next round of interviews to write a test piece. Apparently I'm one of two people they're looking at. I'm going to write the piece and just be honest and say it's not coming naturally to me and I don't want to be hired only for them to realise I'm a square peg in a round hole.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 13, 2021, 10:12:02 PM
Years ago, I worked for a small publishing company that put out an industry mag for the Facilities Management industry and on occasions I'd be roped in to tidy up some copy about how exciting a new kind of fire alarm was - hospitality sounds exciting in comparison.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: madhair60 on September 13, 2021, 10:15:46 PM
i interviewed for a company that made red flags and while i was unsuccessful they did hand me some complimentary red flags. so yes
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 13, 2021, 10:17:40 PM
i interviewed for a company that made red flags and while i was unsuccessful they did hand me some complimentary red flags. so yes

Booooooo!
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: What Doth Life? on September 13, 2021, 10:19:33 PM
Just focus on the constellation of possibilities – what brand of "very un-PC" will you get? It's exciting! Spin the wheel!

This crack sales team could be 'a gaggle of outrageous but golden-hearted drag queens who teach you how to not sweat the small stuff', could be 'retro 70s NF doorstep shitters'
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: The Ombudsman on September 14, 2021, 12:51:11 AM
Get the job, get evidence on the cunts then bother them with tribunals.

Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Dusty Substance on September 14, 2021, 01:02:30 AM

I got red flags during a job interview once where they spoke about how often the team (a small team of six) go out to dinner after work on a Friday, or will go on monthly nights out for team bonding exercises. This idea was completely mortifying. At previous jobs I could just about handle a work Christmas do once a year and maybe the occasional leaving drinks. Weekly dinners and monthly nights out??!! Fucking hell, no. I'm feeling nauseous even thinking about it right now.

Luckily, I didn't get the job.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: checkoutgirl on September 14, 2021, 01:22:28 AM
I did an interview where they asked me how I'd feel debt collecting (over the phone) on Christmas Eve. I'm annoyed that rather than telling them to stick their job up their hoop and ending the interview I proceeded to do a completely shit interview and not get the job.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Goldentony on September 14, 2021, 05:55:26 AM
this sounds like magazine for planes and you're being mysterious because its a high end society thing
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 14, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
On one hand, it sounds like you'll be doing a soul-destroying tedious job where your colleagues are homophobic mysoginist racists. On the other, it'd be ace to read about it on here, so go for it. Not been so excited to see how something pans out since that poster asked a colleague out for a drink.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: DrGreggles on September 14, 2021, 08:44:32 AM
To be fair, an old project manager of mine once described himself as "un-PC", but it turned out that he meant he wasn't very computer literate.

Which was even more concerning, as this was an IT project.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: buttgammon on September 14, 2021, 08:47:56 AM
PC sounds like a dated, almost quaint term these days. If they said "the sales team aren't woke" then that would've been the cue to do a runner.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: seepage on September 14, 2021, 09:03:08 AM
To be fair, an old project manager of mine once described himself as "un-PC", but it turned out that he meant he wasn't very computer literate.

Which was even more concerning, as this was an IT project.

Mine once "had a tidy-up" by deleting all the files in their WordPerfect installation directory, then wondered why WP would no longer start. They also must surely have been the prototype for David Brent, which really should have been a red flag at my interview.   
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Cloud on September 14, 2021, 09:15:54 AM
What an odd thing for them to ask.

I see two possibilities
1) 4D chess: They are actually very PC and it's a test to see if you'll stand up for what's right even if it puts your prospective job in jeapordy and would actually hire you for saying no it's not okay
2) They actually are a bunch of racists / homophobes / misogynists / transphobes / etc

Either way they sound like hard work to deal with
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Hat FM on September 14, 2021, 09:19:48 AM
'we're not very pc' sounds like something a 15 year old might say about their company if they were doing interviews. was the interviewer 15?
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 14, 2021, 09:22:16 AM
I got red flags during a job interview once where they spoke about how often the team (a small team of six) go out to dinner after work on a Friday, or will go on monthly nights out for team bonding exercises. This idea was completely mortifying. At previous jobs I could just about handle a work Christmas do once a year and maybe the occasional leaving drinks. Weekly dinners and monthly nights out??!! Fucking hell, no. I'm feeling nauseous even thinking about it right now.

Luckily, I didn't get the job.

I had an interview a bit like that once where they seemed suspiciously keen to sell the social aspect, how they got to clock off a bit early on a Friday and how people hung out for after work drinks and things. I've nothing against that as long as I like the people I work with, which fortunately has been the case in most of the jobs I've had, but the fact they were pushing it so much made me wonder if something else was going on.
Lo and behold when I did some deeper research[1] I found a lot of employees and former employees complaining about long hours and aggressive bosses.

I mailed them and said I'd had a better offer from elsewhere. I hadn't, but I did get one about two months later so it all worked out well in the end.
Except presumably for the poor sod who took the job I turned down.
 1. Google
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Inspector Norse on September 14, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
'we're not very pc' sounds like something a 15 year old might say about their company if they were doing interviews. was the interviewer 15?

It was an interview for Apple
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 14, 2021, 09:28:56 AM
Get the job, get evidence on the cunts then bother them with tribunals.

Yes if something like this did happen, they hired someone who ended up making a complaint about the "un-PCness" it'd be fascinating to hear their defence.
"Well we did warn Mr. Bloggs at interview."
Judge: "You did what now?"

If they offer you the job I'd ask for some expansion on exactly what they meant by it as it does all smack of "Please don't come running to us with bullying claims if you get teased by our alpha male sales cunts."
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on September 14, 2021, 09:37:11 AM
“So what does success look like to you? I’ll tell you what it looks like to me: 40k a year and a Porsche.” (This was the mid-eighties).

I’d been out of work for a year and was getting desperate but thank Christ I didn’t get the job as there’s no way I could’ve stood working in Rosie’s Traditional Tea & Cake Room financial services anyway.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 14, 2021, 10:13:26 AM
Every sales team is non-PC, in my experience, especially in anything engineering, technical, or old-fashioned industries. Bunch of middle-aged guys who live for expenses, drink, porn, strip clubs, and sexual harassment. Best way to bond with the middle-aged male company bosses.

Red flags at the interview? When I was just out of uni and couldn't get a job interview anywhere, I got an interview at a company in Rickmansworth that did websites. Greeted by a guy in his 40s with every strand of hair individually slathered in gel and formed into elaborate waves of goo. He used the sentence "we work hard and play hard" a lot, mentioned company weekends in Ibiza which we were expected to attend, and also mentioned there was only 2 weeks holiday a year (which I didn't challenge the legality of). Fortunately, I didn't know anything about what he was looking for, as well as being an hour late due to someone jumping under a train. Probably my predecessor.

Working in technology I also have a lot of experience of going for interviews and immediately realising the company has no business model ("We're going to spend millions of pounds developing something you can already get for pennies!" or "This depends on persuading one of the big mobile phone manufacturers to buy our product despite us being 6 guys in an office in Yoker!") Always slightly satisfying when you hear about them having massive financial problems, even though the staff seemed nice guys.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 14, 2021, 10:28:58 AM
Had an interview at a magazine publisher a few years back. The whole interview was just the editor and the HR guy making shitty in-jokes with each other and looking disappointed that I wasn't joining in, having only known them for three minutes.

Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 14, 2021, 10:37:18 AM
a company in Rickmansworth

Yeah, massive red flag there.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: JaDanketies on September 14, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
My former bosses were absolutely terrible at interviewing people and gave off red flags everywhere. They'd ask people if they wanted a tea or coffee, then the bosses would spend an hour talking about how great they were, how great the product is and all the money they were going to make in the near future, and then shake hands and offer the job. A totally pointless exercise. The bosses before that were even worse, if you turned up in a tracksuit and told them to fuck off they would've probably still offered you the job.

imo the biggest red flag is an interview process that isn't challenging at all, because that means staff turnover is a big issue and they need to churn through as many people in as possible. Although I don't 'interview' subcontractors either because interviews are fucking pointless most of the time anyway.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 14, 2021, 11:16:42 AM
I got red flags during a job interview once where they spoke about how often the team (a small team of six) go out to dinner after work on a Friday, or will go on monthly nights out for team bonding exercises. This idea was completely mortifying. At previous jobs I could just about handle a work Christmas do once a year and maybe the occasional leaving drinks. Weekly dinners and monthly nights out??!! Fucking hell, no. I'm feeling nauseous even thinking about it right now.

Luckily, I didn't get the job.

I had a similar experience to this years back. The interviewers made a big thing about office camaraderie and going out for drinks after work and a big Friday get-together once a month, etc. I got up midway through and said, "Nah, that's not my thing" and walked out. The job market was different back then.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Dex Sawash on September 14, 2021, 11:23:24 AM

Interviwed at MS as a Minesweeper developer
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 14, 2021, 12:47:16 PM
I'm helping my boss do some interviews in a few weeks but I know absolutely nothing about the job we're interviewing for. It's a newly created post and she's sending me the job description and personal specification so I can get the idea but I still feel a bit cheeky judging people's suitability for a job I didn't even know existed until a few days ago. I'll be a giant red flag if they clock that I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: shiftwork2 on September 14, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Not quite fitting the remit but here’s a story.  I once attended an interview for a clerk position at some shit office up a fire escape on Munster Road, Fulham.  I hit it off with this squat little man.  It turned out he was from Otley, and I’d just spent NYE with friends in that town.  I deftly dropped the names of a couple of pubs until one really landed and he exclaimed “that used to be my LOCAL!”.  Oh man I’m in here.  It just continued to build.  The ease, the palpable sense of relief on both sides when you know it’s sorted for both sides.  We shook hands and he said (even though this was several decades ago, I remember this bit word for precise word) “The only way you’re not going to get this is if the final candidate is a blonde bird with big tits!”

I didn’t get it.  For 30 years I have imagined Barbara Windsor climbing that fire escape as the sun set.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Sonny_Jim on September 14, 2021, 01:08:10 PM
Went for an interview somewhere, started getting weird vibes from the interviewer as it appeared they weren't really interested in my qualifications or experience, in fact the interviewer felt more like a self-help/life guru, y'know asking me about how good it is to be successful at life, it's ok to want to have nice things like a big house.  Whatever, I needed a job.  Then they said this to me:

Quote
It's weird the way people view success.  If you see a big flashy car drive past, you instantly think 'What a prick', don't you?
It doesn't work the other way round, does it?  You don't look at a kid in a wheelchair and think 'ooh what a cool guy.  I wish I could be like him'

At this point I made my excuses and left.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on September 14, 2021, 01:16:39 PM
Went for a "marketing" job in Newcastle and there was no interview really and I couldn't get them to tell me what they actually did. Suspecting it was door to door selling I forced it out of the lad who was supposed to show me the ropes and walked off. About 90% of their probably candidates do this.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?.
Post by: Ignatius_S on September 14, 2021, 01:33:05 PM
I had an interview for a writer/editor position at an industry magazine for hospitality. I don't know anything about hospitality but I am a good writer, but there's something niggling me about the guys who interviewed me and I can't quite put my finger on it.

They seemed nice enough, but they mentioned that after their longtime editor had left after 8 years that they'd had trouble holding onto editors, and they mentioned that the sales team might be very un-PC (they had clocked me as an introvert during the interview) and asked me if that was an issue.

I'm not sure if it's old imposter rearing its head, and I shouldn't be so critical. Or if I'm just so desperate for a paid writing position that I'm ignoring something that doesn't sit right with me.

I know this is stating the obvious (but hey, that’s never stopped me) but those are things you can clarify at the next round or when the job is offered - although really, it might be an idea to do it now (but see below).

Both of those things need clarifying anyway - even more so because of what you said. The second one does make me think if it’s a case of ‘definitely’ and ‘extremely’ - and curious if that kind of work environment might have contributed to the turnaround for the job.

Essentially, interviews are meetings so you can make a decision whether you think the job is something you want to do and for them to see if you’re the sort of person that they would like doing it. Getting this information is crucial so you can make an informed decision.

If someone has doubts about a job after the interview, I usually say they should trust their gut instinct. 

With regards, the type of writing I can readily empathise with what you said - when I started doing B2B type writing and editing, it was quite a departure for me, but glad I did it as feel it honed my skills further. You could look at this as an opportunity to try something that you’ll (hopefully) get decent feedback, whether or not you get offered the job or even want it.

Ultimately, even if you get the job you don’t have to take it - and from the point of view of someone who hires, there’s value in when someone does that (for various reasons) and would rather have that than someone who isn’t sure and might not stay long.

Oh, and congrats on getting progressing to the next stage - good going!
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Beagle 2 on September 14, 2021, 02:58:27 PM
I got a creeping sense that a job might not have been what I was sold at the interview, if that counts. After I'd accepted and quit my old position I was told they'd moved offices from where I interviewed (from a big place to two small rooms in another office) but had "forgotten to mention it". Okay, weird, but whatever.

I turned up on my first day expecting the usual induction to be told I would actually be lugging boxes into a removal van. Very weird and possibly illegal, but okay.

Then they were cagey about the finances, which culminated in my boss suddenly turning up on my doorstep on Christmas Eve with a bit of paper for me to sign saying "nothing to worry about but unless I can get these bonds released today nobody will get paid next month HAHAHA anyway have a nice Christmas". Didn't know what the fuck I was signing and half expected him to see him on the news having done a canoe man.

Spent the next six months having to put in hours of extra unpaid work every night due to them not having enough staff or even the most basic of a wispy old fucking clue about anything before I found something else.

LinkedIn rating: WASTE OF TIME
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Captain Poodle Basher on September 14, 2021, 03:14:41 PM

Working in technology I also have a lot of experience of going for interviews and immediately realising the company has no business model ("We're going to spend millions of pounds developing something you can already get for pennies!" or "This depends on persuading one of the big mobile phone manufacturers to buy our product despite us being 6 guys in an office in Yoker!") Always slightly satisfying when you hear about them having massive financial problems, even though the staff seemed nice guys.


Oh yes.

I took a contract in one such company during the Dot Com Goldrush for experience's sake if nothing else. It amused me no end that their IT version of two tins cans connected by a length of string of a webchat app was so laughably bad. Yet, to hear them tell it, the likes of Microsoft et al would take one look at this shining, futuristic, behemoth of an application and promptly shit themselves before abandoning anything like it which they might be developing. When the inevitable happened and they went bust, the app was valued at about a grand or so. Thankfully, I'd legged it months earlier.

Red Flags:
An interview I had just before I got interviewed for what turned out to be my present job. It was for an online Tech support role for an assortment of interactive gadgetry knocked out in China for fuckall but gussied up and marked up and sold to aspirational eejits with more money than sense.

A big rugger-bugger type who did all that macho posturing and preening at me from across his desk. I'd already clocked that only he and I were the only males in the building and the female employees all looked like frightened rabbits. I was soon proved right when I started asking detailed questions about the job and training etc. He didn't like my line of questioning, no matter how polite and interested I came across so he leaned over the desk and offered to "Punch you in the face."

I stared him down and politely declined his offer of a job but wished him all the best.

His feedback to the job agency was that I insulted him so brought it on myself. The agency told me that he "could be a bit difficult" and "Not everyone is a good fit in there really."

No shit.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Quote on September 14, 2021, 03:33:18 PM
Having a Steve Jobs biography waved in my face before being told: "I always keep a copy of this, to remind me of what's possible..."
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 14, 2021, 03:52:11 PM
If they offer you the job I'd ask for some expansion on exactly what they meant by it as it does all smack of "Please don't come running to us with bullying claims if you get teased by our alpha male sales cunts."

To elaborate, they said "You come across as somewhat of an introvert and we're an office where some of our sales team are very un-PC," so that was the vibe I was getting.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 14, 2021, 05:23:52 PM
Having a Steve Jobs biography waved in my face before being told: "I always keep a copy of this, to remind me of what's possible..."

"So what went wrong?"
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Sherman Krank on September 14, 2021, 05:42:16 PM
I remember getting a couple of red flags at a job interview once.
If only someone had told me what to do with them those poor surfers might still be alive today.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: The Ombudsman on September 14, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
I had a telephone interview with the Grauniad once for a development job. General sort of interview questions but it all got weird on one question.

They asked about something that was difficult in a previous job, work or relationships sort of thing. I mentioned working for a horror of a man who owned and ran the business. My way to resolve the issues I had with him was to look for another job. They didn't like that and kept pressing what I could have done differently. I ended up saying that leaving for another job was the only way to get any resolution, given he owned the small company there was nothing there I could do. But they continued again and again to try and get me to give a different answer. One of the few times I've ever told someone I was no longer interested mid way through a interview. It was just so very strange. Almost turned into a vendetta on the interviewers part.

I also had an interview with Amazon Video (or whatever it was called before Prime). The chap interviewing me was essentially telling me in no so coded language that it was a shit-show and if I had anything else on the go to focus on that.

I've also interviewed people before and received some big red flags from candidates. One person at a face to face interview brought his wife along and said he would only accept the job if his wife could share the job with him. A young girl turned up for an interview with her family outside. After the interview her father wanted to meet and speak to me which I thought perhaps a cultural thing but very strange to me.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 14, 2021, 08:54:59 PM
To elaborate, they said "You come across as somewhat of an introvert and we're an office where some of our sales team are very un-PC," so that was the vibe I was getting.

I should hope "well we told you so" wouldn't cut any mustard officially but fuck knows. Doesn't sound like the most professional organisation so maybe best avoided (although I know that's a luxury rather than an option.)
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 14, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
I should hope "well we told you so" wouldn't cut any mustard officially but fuck knows. Doesn't sound like the most professional organisation so maybe best avoided (although I know that's a luxury rather than an option.)

I’m also in work already, it was just nice to see a job opening in writing. So it’s not like I was in desperate need to find employment which is a luxury in itself and certainly aided my decision.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Camp Tramp on September 14, 2021, 09:54:29 PM
I went for a job interview at B&Q and they frowned when they saw my date of birth, then mentioned my starsign.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: richjj1978 on September 14, 2021, 10:49:52 PM
About 20 years ago I had a remote interview for a job as an English teacher in South Korea. Something didn't sit right so I turned it down. I got a phone call the next day from the recruiter asking what she had done wrong. From what I could make out, the company had made her hire her own replacement before she returned home to canada. She sounded as if she was panicked. I clearly dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: MikeP on September 14, 2021, 11:47:54 PM
PC sounds like a dated, almost quaint term these days. If they said "the sales team aren't woke" then that would've been the cue to do a runner.
So woke is on trend. It means so many different things to so many different people that it's close to being truly meaningless.
Interestingly, according to the BBC potted plants are also on trend - as a way of getting close to nature. Where is it all going to end??
People seem unable to do and think things for themselves, only being able to bleat alongside the rest of the flock. Which is fine if the rest of the flock is right and they're not all heading for tha abbatoir.

I have been happy to work with people whilst under racial, social and sexual pressure. Doesn't bother me because I don't feel inferior or insecure. I'm old fashioned enough to believe that everyone has a right to an opinion even if I disagree with them. If they're wrong why should I feel upset??
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Kankurette on September 15, 2021, 03:27:06 AM
I interviewed for a hospital job where they mentioned a high turnover due to stress, and one of my interview questions was how I would handle office politics. I think it was a scenario about someone not being invited to a party. I am so glad I got turned down.

Also, if someone said the team were un-PC, I’d be very wary of applying because for someone like me, it would be like covering myself in honey and lying on an anthill. I don’t need to be made to feel like shit because I’m not straight, I’m a minority religion and I don’t have a properly functioning body. I was bullied over two of these things in my last job. I don’t care if this makes me a wokescold or whatever. I just want to do my job without being shat on.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: itsfredtitmus on September 15, 2021, 04:21:53 AM
Kept on wanking mate
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Shaky on September 15, 2021, 04:30:32 AM
one of my interview questions was how I would handle office politics. I think it was a scenario about someone not being invited to a party. I am so glad I got turned down.

Yeah, I've had a similar question in many admin interviews (some of which I've gone on to actually do, though). It's quite worrying because it almost always points towards something endemic and rotten behind the scenes, and you'd think they'd deal with that stuff at it's core rather than just endlessly ploughing through new employees. It's often clear that places can't be arsed with making some key changes or upsetting the status quo too much, and that attitude in a workplace can just get to fuck tbh.

If I were the boss etc etc.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 15, 2021, 04:51:14 AM
"Could you start today? Now?"

Retail.

[comedy ricochet noise as i sprint out]
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on September 15, 2021, 05:39:40 AM
"Could you start today? Now?"

Retail.

[comedy ricochet noise as i sprint out]

I'm imagining a cloud of dust clearing to show a person-shaped hole smashed in the wall.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Kankurette on September 15, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
Yeah, I've had a similar question in many admin interviews (some of which I've gone on to actually do, though). It's quite worrying because it almost always points towards something endemic and rotten behind the scenes, and you'd think they'd deal with that stuff at it's core rather than just endlessly ploughing through new employees. It's often clear that places can't be arsed with making some key changes or upsetting the status quo too much, and that attitude in a workplace can just get to fuck tbh.

If I were the boss etc etc.
Not to mention that some of us just want to get on with our work and not be dragged into office politics.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 15, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
Yeah, I've had a similar question in many admin interviews (some of which I've gone on to actually do, though). It's quite worrying because it almost always points towards something endemic and rotten behind the scenes, and you'd think they'd deal with that stuff at it's core rather than just endlessly ploughing through new employees. It's often clear that places can't be arsed with making some key changes or upsetting the status quo too much, and that attitude in a workplace can just get to fuck tbh.

If I were the boss etc etc.

Several years back when I worked in a community library another much larger branch down the road closed very suddenly and unexpectedly due to some Asbestos issue so the staff were dispersed across a few other libraries, including ours. There were about 7 or 8 of them, which roughly doubled the number of staff we had so it had quite an impact on us, but the biggest issue was their infighting and toxic culture. They'd all worked there for years, a few of them had long running hostilities towards each other and had no compunction whatsoever about having stand up rows in the middle of the library in front of customers, and badmouthing each other at every opportunity. It was the total opposite to what we were used to as we all got on fine and there was usually nothing like that kind of behaviour at our place, so it was fucking irritating having it foisted on us. One of our staff members had originally worked there but had moved to our branch after being bullied, so she wasn't exactly thrilled to see her old colleagues turning up dragging all their shitty baggage behind them. It was a real education in how ostensibly the same job can be completely different depending on who your colleagues are and what the workplace culture is, and to never take a pleasant and professional one for granted.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 15, 2021, 10:35:23 AM
I had a telephone interview with the Grauniad once for a development job. General sort of interview questions but it all got weird on one question.

They asked about something that was difficult in a previous job, work or relationships sort of thing. I mentioned working for a horror of a man who owned and ran the business. My way to resolve the issues I had with him was to look for another job. They didn't like that and kept pressing what I could have done differently. I ended up saying that leaving for another job was the only way to get any resolution, given he owned the small company there was nothing there I could do. But they continued again and again to try and get me to give a different answer. One of the few times I've ever told someone I was no longer interested mid way through a interview. It was just so very strange. Almost turned into a vendetta on the interviewers part.

No, that's a very standard line of questioning used in competency-based interviews, designed to get the candidate to demonstrate how they've solved a problem at work. "I left the job" doesn't answer that question. It demonstrates the opposite. You encountered a problem and ran away. Justifiably, of course, but that's not what they're looking for with that question. They'd be forced to score you zero, which means you don't meet the person spec for problem solving.

He was almost certainly pushing you to give a different answer because you'd done alright up to that point and he didn't want you to fuck the whole interview up over one question.

Yeah, I've had a similar question in many admin interviews (some of which I've gone on to actually do, though). It's quite worrying because it almost always points towards something endemic and rotten behind the scenes, and you'd think they'd deal with that stuff at it's core rather than just endlessly ploughing through new employees. It's often clear that places can't be arsed with making some key changes or upsetting the status quo too much, and that attitude in a workplace can just get to fuck tbh.

If I were the boss etc etc.

No, you're reading too much into it. Again, it's a standard question designed to get the candidate to demonstrate how they'd handle working with difficult people. It doesn't point to anything toxic. If anything it does the opposite; they're trying to create an environment filled with people who've demonstrated they are able to handle personality clashes in a mature and measured way.

Of course, that doesn't mean that the workplace isn't actually toxic because all it takes is one or two bullying shitheads and incompetent management to bring the whole thing down, but the question itself isn't loaded.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: bgmnts on September 15, 2021, 10:54:16 AM
"Just to make you aware that a department that represents our company is sexist, racist and homophobic but for some reason we just allow because bants, is that going to be okay with you?"
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 15, 2021, 11:02:37 AM
I'm imagining a cloud of dust clearing to show a person-shaped hole smashed in the wall.

Yes, very much how it was like.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: JaDanketies on September 15, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
sense

agree with this but I think it again shows why interviews are just an incredibly flawed way for anyone to figure out if the candidate is right for the role or if the role is right for the candidate. Really you should come on-site, meet a few people and sit around in the main workplace for a short period of time, maybe shadow someone. I think interviews are a whole 'nother skillset that nobody teaches you. And it's all bollocks if you consider it as anything other than "a way for a candidate to convince a company to hire them." It's not really a good way to get the best person for the role, or for a candidate to be honest about what they're looking for and how they'll act on-site.

The 'I quit my job because my boss was terrible,' in a non-structured visit to the office, could be a way to discuss what the management is like in the new place so the candidate and employer can find out if they're actually likely to stick at the new job, but instead it was just a way for someone to fail their job interview because they were being asked to say something that wasn't explicitly in the question. If someone says "why are you looking for a new job," then the right answer is probably "because I don't like my old one for x and y reasons, do these apply here?" and not the lie they're looking for, "because I've always been really enthusiastic about [insert employer's product or service here]."

tldr job interviews just find out if you're good at job interviews. I would say that though because I am shit at them
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: The Mollusk on September 15, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
I had a doozy a few years back. Met a guy in Costa for an informal interview, he looked like he hadn’t slept in days. Straight out of the gate he goes to the counter to order drinks - there’s two staff on, one is serving the customer in front of us and the other is off wiping tables. He waits literally about 15 seconds before he turns to me and, addressing the fact he hasn’t yet been served, says “See, this is why so many businesses fail. They don’t recognise the demand of their client base”. I was thinking, mate I don’t think Costa is a struggling business. They seem to be doing quite well for themselves. He then leans round the other customer, speaks his order at the barista and then walks off and sits at a table. Mortified, I follow him.

As we’re sat there the barista makes the drinks and he loudly says “I bet they don’t even bring the drinks over to the table here” so they hear him, and they bring the drinks over. I was fucking appalled.

It gets better.

Across the interview he’s asking me who my biggest heroes are and getting suddenly feverish about my admission of wanting to get into managing a team of people by brainstorming a weekend trip to some fucking hotel in Kent with a us and a load of trainees where we hardcore drum up a business plan - presumably with little to no sleep based on his “bullet holes in a raw sausage” eyes - and at one point he tells me his staff are “the type who don’t conform to the 9 to 5” which basically means they’re worked to fucking death. I keep my polite professional decorum whilst really wishing this would end immediately.

The best bit of all - and this is not a joke - is when he felt he’d got to know me on a friendly personal basis and... honestly, no word of a lie, he asked me what drugs I was into. I was astonished. I’m not a big drugs guy at all and at that point in my life I’d never taken any class A stuff. I was honest about this and he said “What, not even coke?” No. “Speed?” No. “MDMA?” At this point I told him to stop listing drugs at me and I was quite noticeably pissed off. Outstanding stuff.

I took a job with another place, obviously, and he stayed on badgering me for a good few days trying to find out who I’d chosen to work for. I told him it was very rude of him to ask and I was not obliged to tell him anything. After this he tried calling me off two different numbers which I eventually had no choice but to block.

What’s mental about this is that they were a legit and well established business with a team of about 20 people under this guy. I couldn’t believe someone like this isn’t just living the life of Homer Simpson’s deadbeat sweaty accountant hacking his guts over the umpteenth cheap cigar in an office surrounded by boxes of rotting paperwork, but here he was, at this point in time, successful. Terrifying.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 15, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
I remember a friend of a friend once telling us he'd gone for an 'informal chat' type job interview in a café or something and at the end as they were going their separate ways the interviewer turned to him and said, witheringly and entirely seriously, "...and for god's sake get a better phone." I've no idea what phone he had or what the other bloke's idea of a 'better' one was (but you can imagine, this week's iPhone or gtfo) but he didn't get the job anyway. I reckon these plonkers deliberately interview in public places so they don't end up getting strangled in their offices by enraged candidates.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Cuellar on September 15, 2021, 12:46:02 PM
About 20 years ago I had a remote interview for a job as an English teacher in South Korea. Something didn't sit right so I turned it down. I got a phone call the next day from the recruiter asking what she had done wrong. From what I could make out, the company had made her hire her own replacement before she returned home to canada. She sounded as if she was panicked. I clearly dodged a bullet.

Friend of mine works as a bike courier in New York, DoorDash, or whatever, the sort of one where you deliver any old thing, and someone he worked with suggested he start delivering drugs as well, good money, he said. My friend said he'd think about it, and the guy kept phoning him pestering him with 'are you going to do it? are you? are you going to??' and one day turned up all beaten up and bruised and said 'really, mate, do it, you've got to'. My friend didn't, obviously, but it definitely seemed like a similar 'one in, one out' sort of deal.

Who knew there'd be red flags for a drug dealing job!!
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 15, 2021, 12:59:41 PM
Friend of mine works as a bike courier in New York, DoorDash, or whatever, the sort of one where you deliver any old thing, and someone he worked with suggested he start delivering drugs as well, good money, he said. My friend said he'd think about it, and the guy kept phoning him pestering him with 'are you going to do it? are you? are you going to??' and one day turned up all beaten up and bruised and said 'really, mate, do it, you've got to'. My friend didn't, obviously, but it definitely seemed like a similar 'one in, one out' sort of deal.

Who knew there'd be red flags for a drug dealing job!!

See that's where he went wrong, should have said no thanks and fuck you very much immediately instead of keeping the guy dangling. Unless he was worried a flat no would have resulted in similar consequences.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Kankurette on September 15, 2021, 01:06:56 PM
I’ve done loads of interviews for admin jobs and that was the only time I got asked about office politics.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: monkfromhavana on September 15, 2021, 01:20:49 PM
When I lived in Japan I went for an interview at a language school. The first red flag that instead of the usual handsome young male or beautiful lady on reception, there was balding bloke in his 40s who didn't really speak any English whatsoever. It was an evening, midweek, so peak time for students but the place was deserted. I was lead into a classroom by an amiable Australian teacher and had a fairly normal interview. I was then told that I had to fill out a survey that had been created by the school's owners / management. The Aussie was keen to stress that he had not been involved in its creation at all, and that I shouldn't worry about "any strange questions".

The survey was written in terrible English and was basically about how subservient you were willing to be. One question read  "Would you shine an apple for your boss if he asked you to". I think they were looking for me to circle "Yes", but I didn't and left. never heard anything, but the whole place gave off heavy "Front company / Money laundering" vibes.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Spoon of Ploff on September 15, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Having an interviewer excuse themselves so they could go throw up in the bogs, twice, was concerning on a number of levels for me.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: gilbertharding on September 15, 2021, 01:31:12 PM
I'm a bit worried I don't understand the concept of office politics. In a kind of 'is it me?' sense.

My wife seems to be a constant victim (probably the wrong word - but she's always encountering it) of office politics wherever she's worked. Constantly trying to work out how to navigate the particular interpersonal problems thrown up by her colleagues and superiors... whereas I never seem to encounter it.

Sure, I've worked in some awful places in my time, with some proper arseholes who I've hated. And I've found that incredibly stressful. But I've only ever taken it at face value. Mind you - I've never tried to climb the proverbial greasy pole. But then, neither has my wife...

I'm conscious of the maxim 'if everywhere you go you meet arseholes, perhaps it's you that's the problem...'. I don't think my wife's an arsehole, obviously. On the other side, what if all of *my* colleagues down the years have been infuriated by my apparent refusal to engage with their games (actually just inability to recognise what's going on)?
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 15, 2021, 03:03:49 PM
agree with this but I think it again shows why interviews are just an incredibly flawed way for anyone to figure out if the candidate is right for the role or if the role is right for the candidate. Really you should come on-site, meet a few people and sit around in the main workplace for a short period of time, maybe shadow someone. I think interviews are a whole 'nother skillset that nobody teaches you. And it's all bollocks if you consider it as anything other than "a way for a candidate to convince a company to hire them." It's not really a good way to get the best person for the role, or for a candidate to be honest about what they're looking for and how they'll act on-site.

I'm not sure how the bolded would work for multiple candidates, plus it would really impact productivity to have to babysit candidates. Plus you have to take into account not just how the candidate acts around your staff, but how your staff's personal biases play into that; Will they be dismissive with a bloke as they don't have much time to spare, yet suddenly be very open to dealing with a pretty lass?

That's the main benefit to an interview; It's controlled and it's efficient. Everything is quantifiable against an agreed standard.

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The 'I quit my job because my boss was terrible,' in a non-structured visit to the office, could be a way to discuss what the management is like in the new place so the candidate and employer can find out if they're actually likely to stick at the new job, but instead it was just a way for someone to fail their job interview because they were being asked to say something that wasn't explicitly in the question. If someone says "why are you looking for a new job," then the right answer is probably "because I don't like my old one for x and y reasons, do these apply here?" and not the lie they're looking for, "because I've always been really enthusiastic about [insert employer's product or service here]."

I can see what you're getting at, but the bolded isn't correct. The context of the question was very explicit. And the interviewer was happy to repeat it and asked for different examples.

I've had this situation arise a lot. If it's nervousness or they simply misheard, a repeat and/or rewording is usually enough to prompt a suitable answer. Or maybe even half an answer. But if you repeat or reword multiple times, often to the point of literally giving them the answer and they still don't twig what it is you're after or refuse to answer, that's a real red flag. It suggests issues with communication skills or comprehension. For the above example, if the only answer they are willing to give resulted in them quitting their job, is this indicative of how they'll treat any adversity in this role? You've asked them several times for a different example and this is all they are willing to give you. How else are you supposed to judge them?

Plus any interview worth its salt will have an opportunity for the candidate to ask questions about the role and the organisation at the end. If you come away from an interview without being given that opportunity then that really is a red flag.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 15, 2021, 03:25:28 PM
agree with this but I think it again shows why interviews are just an incredibly flawed way for anyone to figure out if the candidate is right for the role or if the role is right for the candidate. Really you should come on-site, meet a few people and sit around in the main workplace for a short period of time, maybe shadow someone. I think interviews are a whole 'nother skillset that nobody teaches you. And it's all bollocks if you consider it as anything other than "a way for a candidate to convince a company to hire them." It's not really a good way to get the best person for the role, or for a candidate to be honest about what they're looking for and how they'll act on-site.


We do both at my work, we have the shortlisted candidates in for a morning and give them a tour of the whole site, then do the interviews a few days later, as being a prison it's imperative any candidates get a feel for what it's actually like in here (because consciously or not they'll already have preconceptions about prisons, particularly if they've got as far as applying to work in one) and decide for themselves if it's for them or not. We've had several who, after the site visit, have cancelled their interviews because they realised it's not for them, which is totally fair enough, that's what the visit is for and it'd be an enormous waste of everyone's time if we offered a job to someone who'd never set foot in a prison before and they lasted a month. Obviously we do it because of the environment but I think a lot more places should try it too, although it might seem labour intensive at the time if it significantly reduces staff turnover then it's better than having to recruit every 5 minutes.
 
Even a few call centres I worked in many years ago effectively did the same thing as part of the interview was taking a mock phone call at a workstation in the middle of the office, so you got a brief taster of the job and workplace. Still took them though didn't I, fucking idiot. 
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: neveragain on September 15, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Here's a thing... I go to an interview for a theatre box office job. It goes surprisingly well and, at the end, they say "Very good. So! Next step is we contact you about your training day. Are you free next week?"

Now, do you think it would be reasonable to assume I have been offered a job? Because I did - and yes I should have checked on the day but I got swept up with things - and it's only three weeks later that, after prompting, the theatre gets back to me with a cut-and-paste rejection.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 15, 2021, 07:38:20 PM
On this "training day", did they actually get you do proper work, so that you basically give them a few hours free labour? Years ago, I did a nine hour shift at a hotel bar near Manchester airport (was supposed to include 'full training' but I was basically totally alone for eight hours of it, from three pm till eleven), then got told a few days after "thanks, but nah". I did complain to the job centre about it, as I'd see the ad there, for all the good that would have done.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: JaDanketies on September 15, 2021, 07:57:00 PM
Talk to ACAS. I reckon you deserve at least the day's wages and they'll give it to you the moment they hear an expert advocate on your behalf
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: neveragain on September 15, 2021, 08:43:55 PM
They didn't invite me to the day in the end, the promised details didn't arrive.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: IsavedLatin on September 15, 2021, 10:05:43 PM
I hear what you're saying, Huxleys, about the efficiency of the interview, but there absolutely are huge issues with normative interviewing. I was on a hiring panel a few months ago and spoke to plenty of candidates, with one who was an absolute standout; not in a cloying, practised way, like they'd been coached through interviews extensively -- because, sadly:

interviews are a whole 'nother skillset that nobody teaches you.

is absolutely untrue: poshos get coached through this sort of thing in secondary school, reinforcing the social capital gap. This person seemed to just come across very well, and the other members of the panel also warmed to them. They radiated the right amount of keenness, making us feel that this would be a good fit for the team, and also they gave good examples from their past experience when working through the competency questions. They got the job and a few months in, and they are just not getting it, and increasingly seem to be phoning it in (in fact as good as telling a senior-to-them member of our team recently that they wanted to work on a project with Department X because they just weren't sure their heart was in [our department] but rather in Department X).

I keep thinking back to the interviews and questioning what could have been done differently, and I just don't know what could have helped us out: this person was the 'right' candidate both from a gut instinct and a pure logic view.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Kankurette on September 15, 2021, 10:07:38 PM
Do schools not have those days where you get suited up and do mock interviews? Mine did. And we had manicures too. My school wasn't posh though.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: icehaven on September 16, 2021, 08:46:16 AM
While it's almost certainly a cynical front of social consciousness to distract from nefarious dealings, a few recent Barclays adverts have implied they're running some kind of interview coaching scheme. No idea who qualifies or how it works but they're probably not the only ones.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Kankurette on September 16, 2021, 11:56:05 AM
Someone mentioned star signs upthread. In an interview for an NHS job, my soon-to-be line manager asked me if I was a Capricorn. She was close, I'm a Taurus. I got the job but I doubt it was because of my star sign.

Moo.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 16, 2021, 12:34:14 PM
I hear what you're saying, Huxleys, about the efficiency of the interview, but there absolutely are huge issues with normative interviewing. I was on a hiring panel a few months ago and spoke to plenty of candidates, with one who was an absolute standout; not in a cloying, practised way, like they'd been coached through interviews extensively -- because, sadly:

is absolutely untrue: poshos get coached through this sort of thing in secondary school, reinforcing the social capital gap. This person seemed to just come across very well, and the other members of the panel also warmed to them. They radiated the right amount of keenness, making us feel that this would be a good fit for the team, and also they gave good examples from their past experience when working through the competency questions. They got the job and a few months in, and they are just not getting it, and increasingly seem to be phoning it in (in fact as good as telling a senior-to-them member of our team recently that they wanted to work on a project with Department X because they just weren't sure their heart was in [our department] but rather in Department X).

I keep thinking back to the interviews and questioning what could have been done differently, and I just don't know what could have helped us out: this person was the 'right' candidate both from a gut instinct and a pure logic view.

I've experienced similar. My department has become known as an incubator for another - we give people a basic grounding in our systems and processes, so they have a ton of relevant experience and much shorter training time should they take that next step - and has unfortunately attracted people who thought they could just doss about until the big opportunity came calling.

But then that's just people for you isn't it? I don't think any recruitment process, interview, practical, whatever, can insulate you from that.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Ignatius_S on September 16, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
I hear what you're saying, Huxleys, about the efficiency of the interview, but there absolutely are huge issues with normative interviewing. I was on a hiring panel a few months ago and spoke to plenty of candidates, with one who was an absolute standout; not in a cloying, practised way, like they'd been coached through interviews extensively -- because, sadly:

I keep thinking back to the interviews and questioning what could have been done differently, and I just don't know what could have helped us out: this person was the 'right' candidate both from a gut instinct and a pure logic view.

How were the questions constructed? And there much use of probing questions during the interviews?
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Zetetic on September 16, 2021, 01:13:23 PM
Interviews are broadly good at telling you whether someone can get themselves dressed, fed and available on time at least once in their life.

We set people basic tasks where we try to give them as much opportunity as possible that they've seen numbers before and can vaguely connect them to things in the real world in a conversation with someone else. Still tricky not to make that an experience in a context completely unlike actually doing the job.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 16, 2021, 01:18:59 PM
While it's almost certainly a cynical front of social consciousness to distract from nefarious dealings, a few recent Barclays adverts have implied they're running some kind of interview coaching scheme. No idea who qualifies or how it works but they're probably not the only ones.

Someone I worked with left to go to Barclays, from what they were telling me most of the hiring process was done by a third party, both the vetting (which sounded quite invasive) and the interviewing. He got the job but it sounded like one of those rapid expansion things, as once he got there nobody really had much clue what to do with him and he was plonked on a desk with similar people all in the same boat doing different things for different teams.

It was one of those international jobs where most of the actual work was being done in India, but other parts of the process seemed to be allocated between Britain and America, almost entirely at random.
Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: kngen on September 17, 2021, 02:12:48 PM
My partner, who at the time was a clinical social worker in Child Protective Services, went to a 'group interview' for a team leader position where the interview method seemed to be to let the gathered rabble try and shout over each other as much as possible.

My partner thought (not unreasonably, I'd say) this in itself was a test, and sat back, let the shouty people have their say then, when the hubbub died down, attempted to address the matter in hand in as clear and calm way as possible, as she'd done with her clients on so many occasions.

Ultimately she didn't get the job, because she hadn't been 'assertive' enough during the interview process, but she did glean a few things from the grapevine a few weeks down the line.

1) The shoutiest, pushiest person got the job, but they were fucking useless as they had no real experience at all.

2) The team in question was soon disbanded by the council, as there was a historical neglect case that was bubbling up, and was in danger of getting Baby P-style coverage.

and least surprisingly:

3) The council had hired a recruitment agency to do the interviews who had no experience in social work hiring practices. This was their first and last engagement by the council.

What a bunch of twats.

Title: Re: Have you ever had red flags from an interview?
Post by: earl_sleek on September 17, 2021, 05:08:34 PM
Interviews are broadly good at telling you whether someone can get themselves dressed, fed and available on time at least once in their life.

I've interviewed people who hadn't even managed that.