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Title: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on March 16, 2022, 08:54:56 AM
New thread.

Yes, it's actually now VIII threads, if I've counted correctly.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on March 16, 2022, 09:08:47 AM
/me claps slowly and heavily with his palms parallel with the ground and a stern look that telegraphs to the assembled party faithful that THERE WILL BE APPLAUSE.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Kankurette on March 16, 2022, 11:50:50 AM
Like the slogan on the Auschwitz gates?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 16, 2022, 12:23:28 PM

Like a bird's gate
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 16, 2022, 12:27:34 PM
The thread title is rubbish. What happened to Buelligan's Starmer's Labour; his Hitler hairdo's making me ill and he has crashed our Party? So good that The Dog came up with pretty much the same idea.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 16, 2022, 12:43:54 PM
pancs has bigger, better and more enthusiastic balls than I (or, it seems, The Dog) and this, at least does not poke fun at Keith, so concerns are being sensitively addressed at this difficult time for us all.

Here's a link to the old thread for all those obsessed with tidiness and control (ME) - https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=89763.0

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: superthunderstingcar on March 16, 2022, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on March 16, 2022, 12:27:34 PMThe thread title is rubbish. What happened to Buelligan's Starmer's Labour; his Hitler hairdo's making me ill and he has crashed our Party? So good that The Dog came up with pretty much the same idea.
Start both threads and let the market decide which survives. It's what Starmer would have wanted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 16, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
In the mean time, whilst we decide, here's a great little film from Aaron Bastani about Mr Tonty Blair, eight interesting minutes -

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on March 16, 2022, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on March 16, 2022, 01:22:51 PMIn the mean time, whilst we decide, here's a great little film from Aaron Bastani about Mr Tonty Blair, eight interesting minutes -


Somewhat related article from Tribune from yer man Bastani


https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/04/how-liberals-rewrite-their-own-history
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 16, 2022, 01:47:43 PM
Shameful smearing of Corbyn by Raab in Parliament today:

QuoteThe justice secretary says it is "nonsense" and says such appointments are made based on a person's contribution to society.

He fires back by referring to former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn who he says wanted to scrap the Trident nuclear programme and "sided" with Putin over the Salisbury poisonings.

The idea that Corbyn sided with Putin over the Salisbury poisonings is totally untrue, and Rayner should have picked him up on this.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 16, 2022, 01:52:56 PM
Heheh, why would she do that?  That won't butter many pairs of R2D2 tribute shoes by Irregular Choice, now will it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: mattyc on March 16, 2022, 03:05:22 PM
Both the video and article are excellent, thanks for posting them. I find that Aaron Bastani has a combination of clarity and passion that makes him quite compelling to listen to or read.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: The Dog on March 16, 2022, 04:16:19 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on March 16, 2022, 01:52:56 PMR2D2 tribute

I didn't even know he'd died 😢
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 16, 2022, 04:57:49 PM
No, just his hat, died in a plane crash on the way to a Surrey pub gig.  RIP in peace.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 17, 2022, 08:23:34 AM
JK Starmer
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 17, 2022, 09:27:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOCoSR4WYAQYRJt?format=jpg&name=large)

Substantial damages, eh?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 17, 2022, 09:40:21 AM
Yeah.  It's great.  But it's too late.  We all know that this thing, all of it, not just this thing, was a lie, spun to destroy any hope that Corbyn (or anyone else) could ever change the kamikaze death and consumption politics that now occupy all parties in the UK.

Odd thing is, almost everyone knew it was a lie.  But mostly refused to say so because no one cares (not enough people care) about the terrible shit that's happening to other people.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on March 17, 2022, 09:42:54 AM
I think a lot of people cared but were cowed into submission by those shouting down support for Corbyn's Labour Party as antisemitism.

People lose their jobs for accusations like that, whether justified or not.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 09:45:16 AM
I like how he was slightly too slow on limiting replies:
(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/1647510199320-png.241025/)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 17, 2022, 09:51:32 AM
We live in a world where those that have voices, some nasty little bully like Riley, some turncoat snake like Austin, with a more equal voice than the rest of us, can conspire to create a society where they get to decide, often unelected, who can speak, who can work and who can be destroyed.

And we don't care enough about that, because they haven't come for us yet, to bravely tell them to get fucked.

I know that some of us do, but not enough, not enough yet.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 10:28:48 AM
Giving a 79 year-old Kinnock the comms chair in an attempt to modernise, lol.

https://labourlist.org/2022/03/former-labour-leader-neil-kinnock-made-chair-of-labour-in-communications/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on March 17, 2022, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 10:28:48 AMGiving a 79 year-old Kinnock the comms chair in an attempt to modernise, lol.

https://labourlist.org/2022/03/former-labour-leader-neil-kinnock-made-chair-of-labour-in-communications/

"Ok, we need to make sure we get our message across in the News of the World, teletext and have a strong presence on Friends Reunited".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 17, 2022, 10:41:22 AM
I never trust people who start off on the left and slowly move to the right, it makes me think that they were only on the left for careerist reasons. I respect people more who were always on the right like Hattersley or John Smith, they seem more honest. A lot of figures currently on the Labour Right (and some Tories) fit the former, and Kinnock is one of them. Moving from calling himself a socialist in 1983 (and his excellent speech about Thatcher, which I think sums up the modern Tories as well: https://speakola.com/political/neil-kinnock-i-warn-you-campaign-1983) to working for Starmer's Labour. Quite a journey. Maybe he'll be on GB News soon.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 17, 2022, 12:05:28 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 09:45:16 AMI like how he was slightly too slow on limiting replies:
(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/1647510199320-png.241025/)

That 'Only people who think you're amazing can reply' feature in twitter is not going to end well, particularly when used by anyone with power. A good hard ratioing is an educational experience.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 12:07:38 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on March 17, 2022, 12:05:28 PMThat 'Only people who think you're amazing can reply' feature in twitter is not going to end well, particularly when used by anyone with power. A good hard ratioing is an educational experience.

It still allows quote-tweets so if anything encourages dunking.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2022, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 10:28:48 AMGiving a 79 year-old Kinnock the comms chair in an attempt to modernise, lol.

https://labourlist.org/2022/03/former-labour-leader-neil-kinnock-made-chair-of-labour-in-communications/
give him a break. Cunts 80 at the end of the month

Maybe labour are going all out on the boomer vote with outreach into the afterlife
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: mattyc on March 17, 2022, 01:53:45 PM
Haha, Alan Johnson ate the queen's dog biscuits. Hold my sides before they split. Definitely happened. Crazy guy. Ate dog biscuits and wholeheartedly supported the Iraq war. What on earth will he do next? 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2022, 01:55:53 PM
to be honest they were probably higher quality than anything he was supposed to eat
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 17, 2022, 01:57:30 PM
A dog would have done a better job than Alan Johnson as a minister/shadow minister

Title: Mmmm... dog breath
Post by: Buelligan on March 17, 2022, 02:01:22 PM
Don't tell Ian Austin, whatever you do, don't do that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2022, 02:06:54 PM
surely it would mean Ian Austin would bum him? not sure if he's up for that
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 17, 2022, 02:10:25 PM
Maybe Austin would like to lick his arse, we can only speculate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on March 17, 2022, 04:39:33 PM
Not come across this slug before. You really can't go wrong in the modern labour Party if you're horribly right-wing can you?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/16/labour-mp-graham-stringer-join-nigel-farage-anti-net-zero-rally

Since claims he wasn't going

Stringer Bell(end)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 17, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Lord Austin has had to have an apology printed for his defamatory Telegraph article regarding Laura Murray and Rachel Riley.

A near invisible rebuke, sadly that's near the best we're going to get.

There is a statistical certainty Lord Austin will, from whatever cause die, which is nice.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 17, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/mar/17/telegraph-apologises-laura-murray-corbyn-aide-as-anti-jewish-racist
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 07:43:05 PM
writing bollocks like that earned him his lordship... small change after the damage has been done.

you try pointing it out to a useful idiot centrist and their response will be 'ah well, nevertheless... don't you know there's a war on?'.

I hate them so much.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: shoulders on March 17, 2022, 07:41:38 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/mar/17/telegraph-apologises-laura-murray-corbyn-aide-as-anti-jewish-racist

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMvt4YpU4AACwm3?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 17, 2022, 07:45:18 PM
QuoteIn recent weeks, Stringer has called for an end to the moratorium on fracking, called on Michael Gove to approve the Cumbria coalmine, and written in an op-ed for the Daily Mail: "Our current energy policy has weakened the UK ... The two great threats to world peace, Russia and China – who have no qualms about increasing their use of fossil fuels – have been getting stronger."

Does surprise me how much some CLPs will put up with.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 17, 2022, 09:15:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOFK2N8XwAMOVnV?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 17, 2022, 09:18:40 PM
"I look up to him, but I look down on her"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 17, 2022, 10:33:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FODV8DnWQAIqZWe?format=jpg&name=small)

Send daddy hugs!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on March 17, 2022, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: shoulders on March 17, 2022, 07:41:38 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/mar/17/telegraph-apologises-laura-murray-corbyn-aide-as-anti-jewish-racist

That is amazing.

'We, the guardian, are going to spell out, in sentences which are true, the state of affairs. This is why you should trust us. Because of our commitment to faithful reportage.'

Two years ago, of course, the guardian was the worst agent of fake antisemitism smearing you could find. But now it's all so dreadfully objective.

SUPPORT US.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on March 17, 2022, 11:33:03 PM
Is it just me or is Starmer looking more and more like a thumb as time goes on?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on March 18, 2022, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on March 17, 2022, 09:15:28 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOFK2N8XwAMOVnV?format=jpg&name=large)

Even the camera doesn't believe he's a 3d object.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 18, 2022, 11:58:12 AM
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Stringer) says
QuoteIn 2009, Stringer denied the existence of dyslexia, calling it "a cruel fiction" invented by "the education establishment" to divert blame for illiteracy from "their eclectic and incomplete methods for instruction".
And
QuoteIn 2014, he, along with 98 others, voted for the Dominic Raab amendment to the Immigration Bill, which aimed to prevent foreign criminals using European Human Rights Law in deportation cases.
He also opposed COVID lockdowns, opposed a congestion charge in Manchester, is in Labour Friends of Israel, and has a long association with climate change-skeptic groups.

Why is he in the Labour Party? I guess if you're a power-hungry Mancunian you can't join the Tories.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 18, 2022, 02:17:12 PM
All the more important that all people join together to take back true control and stand for accountability from elected officials... In particularly ending jobs for life MPs and gravy train ushering into the Lords.

We can't blame Europe anymore. The lack of accountability rests right here and the Tories and current Labour machinery are in the way.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on March 18, 2022, 02:46:41 PM
Despite all of Keith's hard work here's what thick entitled fascist Oliver Dowden has to say about him (among smearing Corbyn although Dowden's boss is swimming in Kremlin money and anti-trans bigotry)

QuoteHe attacked Keir Starmer as "dull, uninspiring and bereft of ideas". He also criticised him for having wanted to install "that Nato-hating Putin apologist" Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister, and he claimed that Starmer was a prisoner of the "cancel culture brigade"
You know, Starmer, he cannot resist kowtowing to the cancel culture brigade because his base are the cancel culture brigade. He's frightened to defend women's rights or protect our heritage from vandals because he fears he would be cancelled.

How will our hero react I wonder?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 18, 2022, 02:56:39 PM
was funny how Oliver Dowden looked like the most mild-mannered dentist of the BJ Krew but he seems to have gone the most wingnut and screwloose of them all
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on March 18, 2022, 03:41:53 PM
Trotsky Snowball Corbyn is responsible! We must root out this traitor!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 18, 2022, 03:48:33 PM
Given Dowden is so concerned about women's rights, what does he think about his boss cosying up to Saudi Arabia?

Dowden wasn't always so dismissive of net zero:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOIynV8XIAg9oow?format=jpg&name=large)

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lauraxsynthesis on March 18, 2022, 09:30:26 PM
Keith was photographed today with a cold sore. It is not yet reported if a certain woman in Darlington is wincing when she sits down.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 18, 2022, 10:01:11 PM
Yeah, didn't need that mental image.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 19, 2022, 08:55:41 AM
Is Keith unwell and therefore unfit to hold the office of Labour leader.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on March 19, 2022, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: lauraxsynthesis on March 18, 2022, 09:30:26 PMKeith was photographed today with a cold sore. It is not yet reported if a certain woman in Darlington is wincing when she sits down.

Very odd that people are trying to shame him on Twitter for having a cold sore and saying it's horrible and whatever. I used to get cold sores and it's not a pleasant experience, I used to be very self conscious about it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on March 19, 2022, 09:24:11 AM
Hope he's had his pay suitably reduced.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 19, 2022, 01:03:35 PM
Novara chat about vile Ian Austin's apology and libel payout to Laura Murray this week - I didn't know all the background but, even though Murray eventually won, the spat with Rachel Riley that started it (detailed here) has left Murray in debt to the tune of £1million.  Very interesting and disgraceful shit - https://youtu.be/kwSjgSiOKj0?t=3955

Anyone who still tolerates Riley needs to have a rethink.  Loathsome person.  Poisonous.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 23, 2022, 07:05:22 PM
https://www.buymeacoffee.com/damianbrighton/keir-starmer-troll-farm

A missed this a month ago but found this very funny.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on March 23, 2022, 08:41:33 PM
I'm pretty sure I spoke to that guy on the phone once, during Momentum's earlier years. Nice guy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 23, 2022, 11:03:02 PM
Ted Heath with an Instagram account! Great stuff, Rachel, that'll have them rolling in the isles of the Red Wall.

Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on March 23, 2022, 11:20:01 PM
Adults. You have to hand it to them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on March 24, 2022, 01:14:47 AM
Just checked the latest polling and at least Labour seem to have a slim lead of the idiots. UK polling Report, a web site I used to frequent quite a lot has now folded, I now stick to 'Britain elects'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 24, 2022, 08:30:09 AM
Are they 20 points ahead?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 24, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on March 24, 2022, 08:30:09 AMAre they 20 points ahead?

No.

https://twitter.com/OprosUK/status/1506955188527108109

QuoteLAB: 36% (-3)
CON: 36% (+2)
LDM: 12% (=)
GRN: 6% (=)
REF: 3% (+1)

via
@KantarPublic
, 17-21 Mar
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on March 24, 2022, 06:23:59 PM
English voters are astonishing. Imagine the level of madness required to vote tory, these tories, in 2022.

It boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on March 24, 2022, 07:01:17 PM
Seen some ranting today that suggests a fair few people still think Labour is in the thrall of anti-white loony lefties, with Diane Abbott in full control.

So... Keir having a big impact on those Tory voters.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on March 24, 2022, 09:29:16 PM
Your one stop shop for keeping track of the polls (if that's the sort of person you are) is this Wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Has a nice graph with a moving average that smooths over the bumps of individual polls and lets you see the trends. Right now, Labour have a commanding 3pt lead. Of course polls don't necessarily reflect what would happen if an election were called tomorrow and a campaign ensued but a 20pt lead is the established benchmark and we've not seen one of those for a while.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 25, 2022, 07:06:28 AM
Starmer has gone so far so quickly that the public have been scattered and divided into

1) people who hate Starmer for neutering Labour, suspending Corbyn and being a general cunt

2) people not knowing what the Labour Party is supposed to be given it now bears no resemblance to Corbyn's Labour

3) Labour now being so milquetoast the purpose of their existence as either opposition or potential government is unclear

And this is without even 5% of the bad press or internal sabotage to cope with.

The answer from the centrists will be as ever: ADD MORE RIGHT WING POLICIES

At least by moving to the centre you'd look to take some of the Lib Dem vote away, but hasn't even done that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on March 25, 2022, 07:26:13 AM
It's funny that a 2022 centrist is economically to the right of a 1980s non-Thatcherite Tory.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on March 25, 2022, 03:56:02 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2022/03/24/labour-suspends-dudley-councillor-for-six-months-following-internal-disciplinary-investigation/
QuoteCouncillor Zafar Islam, who represents the Brierley Hill ward, was suspended this week.

It is believed his suspension followed an investigation into several inflammatory comments relating to posts he made on social media.

It is understood that Councillor Islam has received a six-month suspension of party membership as a "punitive sanction" following the conclusion of an internal Labour Party disciplinary investigation.

A new Labour candidate in the Brierley Hill ward for May's election will be announced in due course.

This guy has always been great in the party meetings we've attended. Interesting timing, with May's council elections coming up. And from a purely practical standpoint, we're struggling to find candidates to stand for council anyway.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: drummersaredeaf on March 25, 2022, 06:20:51 PM
I attended a trade union branch meeting the other week where someone cited cases being raised against her and other incumbent councillors on the same day - deliberately timed so the disciplinary timetable would overshoot the next election. In all cases they had a shiny suited cunt in the wings ready, who no one had ever previously heard of in each case. Rotters.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on March 25, 2022, 06:23:38 PM
Never has so much been done to ultimately achieve fuck all.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 28, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
Quote@paulwaugh
.
@Keir_Starmer
 on Will Smith hitting Chris Rock:
"I was pretty shocked at it...anybody who insults family members excites something quite emotional in all of us..."

BUT "to go up and hit someone in that way is wrong.."

@LBC

No condemnation by Starmer of Rock mocking someone's medical condition?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 28, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
I think that's been played perfectly to be honest.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 28, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Sir keir would punch your fucking lights out if you made fun of the hair of Rachel Reeves
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on March 28, 2022, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on March 28, 2022, 02:34:21 PMSir keir would punch your fucking lights out if you made fun of the hair of Rachel Reeves

Corbs won one little pole and Mandy got scared
He said "we need to elect a leader exactly like Blair"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 28, 2022, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on March 28, 2022, 02:44:21 PMCorbs won one little pole and Mandy got scared
He said "we need to elect a leader exactly like Blair"

Mandy, the Dark Prince of B-lair.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Twit 2 on March 28, 2022, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on March 28, 2022, 02:44:21 PMCorbs won one little pole and Mandy got scared
He said "we need to elect a leader exactly like Blair"

Superb
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 29, 2022, 12:48:28 AM
The Purge continues:

QuoteThe Labour Party is set to proscribe three more organisations – the Alliance for Workers' Liberty (AWL), the Labour Left Alliance (LLA) and the Socialist Labour Network – at a key meeting of the ruling body on Tuesday, LabourList can reveal.

LabourList sources say AWL members are being banned from Labour on the basis that the group has acted as a separate political party, while LLA and Socialist Labour Network are being proscribed due to their close links to already proscribed organisations.

QuoteLabourList can also confirm that neither Martin Forde QC nor his report, the Forde Report, are expected to come to the Tuesday meeting despite previous assurances. NEC members from across the factional spectrum have expressed frustration over the latest delay.

QuoteLabourList has also been told that a Labour development fund panel decided on Friday that the party will put £1m towards hiring 20 trainee organisers. Labour left members raised concerns that community organisers were being replaced by the new staffers, but those supportive of the leadership say the hires are separate.

https://labourlist.org/2022/03/exclusive-awl-among-three-more-groups-to-be-proscribed-by-labour-nec/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: mattyc on March 29, 2022, 11:42:33 AM
The fact that more organisations are being proscribed for their links to already proscribed organisations makes it pretty clear where we're headed here.

Martin Forde's dog ate his report so he can't hand it in this week...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 29, 2022, 12:41:06 PM
Quote from: mattyc on March 29, 2022, 11:42:33 AMThe fact that more organisations are being proscribed for their links to already proscribed organisations makes it pretty clear where we're headed here.
Proscribing the Labour Party for its links to proscribed organisations?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 29, 2022, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: mattyc on March 29, 2022, 11:42:33 AMMartin Forde's dog ate his report so he can't hand it in this week...

The Trilateral Commission require some further edits.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 29, 2022, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: mattyc on March 29, 2022, 11:42:33 AMMartin Forde's dog ate his report so he can't hand it in this week...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Ian_Austin_Official_Portrait.jpg/260px-Ian_Austin_Official_Portrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 29, 2022, 03:41:48 PM
Lebedev's just said Kieth texted him to say 'congrats on becoming Lord of Siberia, your oligarchness' and boy, this is some cat amongst the pigeons.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 29, 2022, 03:50:45 PM
Mercy me, I thought you were joshing https://twitter.com/mrevgenylebedev/status/1508804181557190662
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 29, 2022, 04:53:18 PM
Labour sources are briefing Pippa Crerar this text was 'just good manners' while Rayner simultanously briefs 'we always knew he was a bad sort'.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPBvnPwWUAE2aJs?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/iammightor/status/1508828598681145346
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 29, 2022, 05:02:19 PM
Crombles, of course, famed stooge of the USSR's Putin, refused to go to Lebedev's big party so they hired a Corbyn impersonator.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/22/johnson-visit-to-lebedev-party-after-victory-odd-move-for-peoples-pm

QuoteJohnson was one of several top politicians who turned up to the event, held at the Lebedev family's £6m stuccoed mansion overlooking Regent's Park. Guests included David and Samantha Cameron and George Osborne, now a Lebedev employee as Evening Standard editor. From the Blairite left, Peter Mandelson and Tristram Hunt were also in attendance.

Others invited to the vodka and caviar birthday party included Mick Jagger, Princess Eugenie, the actors Matt Smith and Rosamund Pike, and the model Lily Cole. Comedians Eddie Izzard and David Baddiel, the artist Grayson Perry and sculptor Antony Gormley were also there. Missing this year was the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.

As grand as the list was, the newly elected prime minister's presence – the night after his election win – was eye-catching. Johnson has long been a celebrity as well as a politician – but for a leader who promised to lead a "people's government", to rub shoulders with such an exclusive elite as one of his first public acts after victory might seem a little incongruous.

Jeremy Corbyn was invited, but didn't attend. (The invite, for the record, shows a youthful Alexander holding a toddler Evgeny.) In the Labour leader's absence the Lebedevs hired a Corbyn impersonator, who mingled with guests as they sipped Ruinart champagne and tucked into plates of caviar.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 29, 2022, 05:09:13 PM
QuoteLabourList sources say AWL members are being banned from Labour on the basis that the group has acted as a separate political party, while LLA and Socialist Labour Network are being proscribed due to their close links to already proscribed organisations.

That were proscribed due to close links to already proscribed organisations.

Guilty by association of guilt by association.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on March 29, 2022, 05:21:56 PM
I swear if those godless press hacks keep using terms like 'tucked in to' and 'munched on' like the Billy Fucking Bunters that they are I am going right down to Oxford and [redacted]ing their tuck shop.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 29, 2022, 05:24:41 PM
they'll be munching on a knuckle supper if they're not careful!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 29, 2022, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on March 29, 2022, 05:21:56 PMI swear if those godless press hacks keep using terms like 'tucked in to' and 'munched on' like the Billy Fucking Bunters that they are I am going right down to Oxford and [redacted]ing their tuck shop.
those babyish verbal tics the british press have are just the superficial aspect of how they talk to us like the big adult talking to an idiot child
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on March 29, 2022, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on March 29, 2022, 06:26:25 PMthose babyish verbal tics the british press have are just the superficial aspect of how they talk to us like the big adult talking to an idiot child

not enough swirlies.  Or maybe too many.  Definitely not the right amount.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 29, 2022, 11:11:59 PM
QuoteA Starmer ally said "the guy won the treble as United captain – he'll be a fantastic high-profile spokesperson for the party".

What a bunch of children.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 29, 2022, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 29, 2022, 11:11:59 PMWhat a bunch of children.
Wrong, too. Roy Keane was United's captain at the time (1999), not Gary Neville. Peter Schmeichel wore the armband in the Champion's League final due to Keane being suspended.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 29, 2022, 11:31:03 PM
Whatwhat?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 29, 2022, 11:53:10 PM
It was from some article stating that Gary Neville is going to do more appearances with Starmer.

https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-gary-neville-to-ramp-up-labour-role-and-do-series-of-events-with-starmer/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 30, 2022, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 29, 2022, 11:53:10 PMIt was from some article stating that Gary Neville is going to do more appearances with Starmer.

https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-gary-neville-to-ramp-up-labour-role-and-do-series-of-events-with-starmer/

Ah, I see, thanks. I quite like what I've seen of Neville. It's a shame he feels the need to endorse such a lame duck.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Kankurette on March 30, 2022, 12:42:07 AM
Neville Southall > Gary Neville.

Speaking of which, I hear Keith made some bland as fuck comment about trans women and TERFs are furious with him and running off to the Tories. Like...there's a ton of reasons to hate Starmer, him not saying 'you have to have a vagina to be a woman' is low down the list.
Quote from: Blumf on March 24, 2022, 07:01:17 PMSeen some ranting today that suggests a fair few people still think Labour is in the thrall of anti-white loony lefties, with Diane Abbott in full control.

So... Keir having a big impact on those Tory voters.
That woman lives rent free in so many heads.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on March 30, 2022, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on March 30, 2022, 12:42:07 AMTERFs are furious with him and running off to the Tories.

But presumably not in Bridgend: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-60925885
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 11:35:49 AM
Wes Streeting is a cunt part a billion
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 30, 2022, 11:53:24 AM
He's such an horrendous fucking cunt, I'm surprised he didn't finish his remarks with simples.  Hateful person.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on March 30, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
I tell you who's a great lad on Twitter. Karl "Brush Strokes" Howman. Hates the Tories and doesn't seem massive impressed by the current incarnation of the Labour party either.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 30, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
Yeah.  Mind you, you could say that about Nigel Farage or anyone, really. 

'cept Putin.  He likes the tories and gets on fine with the current Labour lot too.  Always out of step, that one.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 30, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
Looks like Duffield is booked in on Peston so if you thought Wes was going to be the low point, I'm afraid it's likely going to get uglier.

QuoteJoining
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@itvpeston

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@itv

#Peston

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1509177797444521996
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 05:45:33 PM
If ever i think the bbc are as babyish as it gets along comes peston on itv
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 30, 2022, 05:50:44 PM
Even the thought of Peston uttering the words trans rights with his delivery is making my shit itch. Hide away, don't look at it, you will get your face melted like Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 30, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 05:45:33 PMIf ever i think the bbc are as babyish as it gets along comes peston on itv

Hard to see where his concious tory leanings end and the 'a bit like a robot that wakes up with its memory wiped each morning' tory enabling begins.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 10:15:13 PM
he still does the Cameron-era "yoo knoo... yoo knoo" tic. while Laura K has the high energy "westminster politics geek!!" stuff, he genuinely seems to barely know what the fucks going on
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 11:17:35 PM
also on that rosie is lit so weirdly underneath her neck she looks like a lamia that's going to swallow peston whole.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPGtMu5XsAAqcNw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
might tune in for that
is there a vore emoji itv can use
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 30, 2022, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 10:15:13 PMhe still does the Cameron-era "yoo knoo... yoo knoo" tic. while Laura K has the high energy "westminster politics geek!!" stuff, he genuinely seems to barely know what the fucks going on

I mean he did phone Downing St to ask how mirrors work.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 31, 2022, 06:58:44 AM
You know, grimly fixating on your one prejudice to the extent that the milquetoast fence sitter in chief cuts you loose just shows that you are in touch* with the common man and woman with their respective penis and balls and breasts and vaginas. Who here will speak up for the silent majority?!

*not physically, please leave the general area of the opposite toilet to you
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on March 31, 2022, 07:57:48 AM
That Peston logo is rubbish, it looks like bits are crossed out.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: boki on March 31, 2022, 08:07:26 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on March 31, 2022, 07:57:48 AMThat Peston logo is rubbish, it looks like bits are crossed out.
Cancel culture gone mad.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on March 31, 2022, 08:12:29 AM
Did anyone watch it? I was trying out different drill bits on my eyes so missed it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: boki on March 31, 2022, 08:07:26 AMCancel culture gone mad.

Extremely good.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on March 31, 2022, 09:27:39 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on March 30, 2022, 11:35:49 AMWes Streeting is a cunt part a billion

Ex child actor. Says it all
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on March 31, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F709d03b2-157a-11ec-8982-e4706e2eecb0.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on March 31, 2022, 10:34:12 AM
Him showing solidarity for Wallis at the same time as liking a load of transphobic tweets about "women can't have penises" says it all about him really. Along with everything else the shitty dipstick does
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on March 30, 2022, 12:23:27 AMAh, I see, thanks. I quite like what I've seen of Neville. It's a shame he feels the need to endorse such a lame duck.

Agreed.  At the same time though, I'm not liking this thing about professional footballers or professional comedians or anyone famous who is not a politician, being seen as some sort of amulet that this or that cunt polly can wave at the mob to send them in a desired direction.

We need politicians who speak plainly and stand by their word, not witch doctors or cult leaders.  Just honest people whose lives reflect the truth of what they say.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 31, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on March 31, 2022, 10:34:12 AMHim showing solidarity for Wallis at the same time as liking a load of transphobic tweets about "women can't have penises" says it all about him really. Along with everything else the shitty dipstick does

Hartley-Brewer did the same thing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on March 31, 2022, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on March 31, 2022, 11:06:21 AMHartley-Brewer did the same thing.

They seem to think there are two types of trans people. "Proper" ones that have had surgery and do their best to fit in and look like women, and predatory men who dress as women for sexual thrills and possibly to assault women. They don't seem to think the latter is a very small percentage, or that there are any other possibilities. The also don't seem to realise, or pretend not to, that for transphobes those two are the same thing.

A lot of it goes back to the posts earlier about having to live as a woman for a significant amount of time before being able to have surgery so being a woman with a penis is a necessary step all trans people go through, regardless of where their destination is. These "soft transphobes" who are OK with the concept of trans women but not of women with penises don't seem to realise this, or haven't thought it through, or just as likely don't care. Possibly they even know but that makes things a bit too complicated and can't be communicated in a soundbite
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 11:27:32 AM
To me anyway, the whole obsession with the possession (or not) of this or that lump of flesh is deeply symptomatic of the unwell state of our culture.   

We create and maintain a society which constantly emphasises the importance of having.  We need one that understands that even if you lose your legs, your mind, money or genitals, you are who you are.  Having or not having is nothing to do with being.  No one else gets to tell you.  With or without that shit, it is you who does you.

IMO, the transphobia issue is a part, that we're able to see right now, of a far greater malady.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on March 31, 2022, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 11:27:32 AMeven if you lose your legs, your mind, money or genitals, you are who you are.

Unfortunately, that doesn't apply to me. My entire personality is housed in my right fibula.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 31, 2022, 11:37:21 AM
I've met some people where 'rock climber' seems to be their entire personality so I think losing limbs would fundamentally change who they are. Possibly for the better in fact.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 31, 2022, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on March 31, 2022, 11:19:52 AMThey seem to think there are two types of trans people. "Proper" ones that have had surgery and do their best to fit in and look like women, and predatory men who dress as women for sexual thrills and possibly to assault women. They don't seem to think the latter is a very small percentage, or that there are any other possibilities. The also don't seem to realise, or pretend not to, that for transphobes those two are the same thing.

A lot of it goes back to the posts earlier about having to live as a woman for a significant amount of time before being able to have surgery so being a woman with a penis is a necessary step all trans people go through, regardless of where their destination is. These "soft transphobes" who are OK with the concept of trans women but not of women with penises don't seem to realise this, or haven't thought it through, or just as likely don't care. Possibly they even know but that makes things a bit too complicated and can't be communicated in a soundbite

Yeah I've seen some people use 'crossdresser' as synonymous with 'trans but hasn't had work done' which is obvs offensive and wrong, and would be the complete opposite of crossdressing if, for example, someone came out as trans today and looked the same as they did yesterday (which of course they could choose to do long term if they wanted).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 31, 2022, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on March 30, 2022, 12:23:27 AMI quite like what I've seen of Neville.

He's absolutely perfect for this shower of shit. A multi-millionaire property developer lauded for letting the homeless temporarily stay in one of his (unused) buildings over Christmas is something that gets the Starmerites all gooey. A man who will be "outspoken" on the most acceptable of topics yet completely silent on the root causes of those issues. Plans a massive 'eco-house' whilst simultaneously bulldozing streets and building skyscrapers for millionaires. "A grown up."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 31, 2022, 11:56:36 AM
really still hammering the 'he likes football' thing to make him look like an actual person

'he like football and politics too and says hair man good!'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Hank_Kingsley on March 31, 2022, 12:11:04 PM
Did Wes Streeting really burn down a pet shop or is that just a wonderful lie?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 12:18:21 PM
Have you read the thing on twitter?  I'm guessing it's a lie but then I remember Ian Austin.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on March 31, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
It's the same shitposter who started the Jo Swinson squirrels thing, so yes, 100% true.
Title: Butter would not melt but have you tried the gerbils?
Post by: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 12:20:25 PM
Apparently he's a Labour Party aide as well.  Horse's mouth stuff.

I mean, does this look like the sort who would intentionally murder small helpless animals?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1509111943067541506/Q4Ol4g9Z?format=jpg&name=medium)

Of course not!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 31, 2022, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: Hank_Kingsley on March 31, 2022, 12:11:04 PMDid Wes Streeting really burn down a pet shop or is that just a wonderful lie?

https://www.isthisrealitsreal.com/wurrance/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on March 31, 2022, 12:30:29 PM
Aw, smashing, Clive.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on March 31, 2022, 07:24:34 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 31, 2022, 11:47:01 AMHe's absolutely perfect for this shower of shit. A multi-millionaire property developer lauded for letting the homeless temporarily stay in one of his (unused) buildings over Christmas is something that gets the Starmerites all gooey. A man who will be "outspoken" on the most acceptable of topics yet completely silent on the root causes of those issues. Plans a massive 'eco-house' whilst simultaneously bulldozing streets and building skyscrapers for millionaires. "A grown up."

Thanks hzj for saving me the bother.

These facts have caused a few centrists I know to get their knickers in a twists, or more probably kecks as they have penises and balls.

Neville probably upsets some centrists and that fact is hugely depressing to dwell on longer than a second or so.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 01, 2022, 05:34:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5Ii9GqO.png)

Seems to be tripping a few people up, be vigilant out there.

https://twitter.com/BritianErect/status/1509838393890553856/retweets/with_comments
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 01, 2022, 05:58:23 PM
Quote@SaulStaniforth
Skys Niall Paterson: "It's not enough to say you're going to look at it... would you increase [benefits] in line with inflation, because if you don't people on benefits experience a real terms cut"

Keir Starmer: "Yeah, I think we've got to look at it"

Pathetic.

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1509783686094503939

I think Starmer says "for that very reason" after "Yeah, I think we've got to look at it", but it's still pathetic. Where are the firm commitments?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 01, 2022, 07:29:40 PM
I hope that won't be his answer to the question 'Can a woman have a penis?'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 02, 2022, 11:03:24 AM
Duffield going for it in the Mail with her trans hate. Good to see the far-right of the party putting in the boot in just in time for local eelctions


Isn't that what we do?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 02, 2022, 11:06:41 AM
All those Mail reading swing voters we're missing out on
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 02, 2022, 11:44:41 AM
Duffield is eyeing the next grift. She would have a difficult path to re-election even if she was a good MP, and she manifestly isn't. I've read reporting that she doesn't live in the constituency and hasn't done for some time - pretty impressive lack of giving a shit.

I'm assuming she'll step down before the next election because she realizes she won't win, but blame it on Westminster being "captured" which sets her up nicely for a high-potassium career in substack writing and telling myriad media outlets that she's been silenced.

No point resigning until a week before the election though cos there's a guaranteed salary to be collected first!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 02, 2022, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: shoulders on April 02, 2022, 11:06:41 AMAll those Mail reading swing voters we're missing out on

Yeah, I mean because right now when everyone vaguely normal is fucking shitting it over what their next crop of bills is going to yield, right now is the time to tack right in search of tories.  Because, as Keith so wisely says, WE DON'T WANT A REVOLUTION.

No, let's keep everyone who's in charge right now, everyone who's created this fucking utopia we're enjoying, right there in charge of every fucking thing.

If I didn't know he was such a shameless turncoat cunt, I'd think he was a moron.

https://twitter.com/_JD_Black/status/1509878331214372866
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 02, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
I'd quite like a revolution, I could gaffa tape my kitchen knife to a broom handle.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 02, 2022, 03:22:38 PM
Glorious Austin thread from someone else from that isthisrealitsreal.com

https://twitter.com/StefGotRebooted/status/1509822722406334474
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 02, 2022, 03:35:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPWHnLTXwAE1gyo?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPWHnlLWYAcU5FD?format=jpg&name=360x360)

such a cool totally not dysfunctional party!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 02, 2022, 03:59:22 PM
Just imagine what these people would be like if they had the police and secret services under their control.  Imagine a country run by cunts like these.  Yeah.  Frightening.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on April 02, 2022, 04:12:04 PM
Imagine a country run by cunts like the cunts currently running the country. Oh, you don't have to.

When the only meaningful choice is between the lesser and the greater of two evils, what would you suggest we do? (Start by trying to work out which is which, I suppose.)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 02, 2022, 04:17:38 PM
Yep.  Maybe.  And work on making sure that the next time there's a real chance of change we've spiked the guns they used to kill the last one.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on April 02, 2022, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 02, 2022, 03:35:48 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPWHnLTXwAE1gyo?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPWHnlLWYAcU5FD?format=jpg&name=360x360)

such a cool totally not dysfunctional party!

Regional seems to be the main tool in suppressing the local branches. Opaque and dictatorial.

Really, anything that replaces Labour needs to have grass roots democracy as the fundamental organisational principal.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 02, 2022, 06:16:05 PM
https://www.bazake.co.uk/april-fools-hoax-opinion-poll-reportedly-sparked-wild-celebrations-at-labour-hq
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 02, 2022, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: olliebean on April 02, 2022, 04:12:04 PMImagine a country run by cunts like the cunts currently running the country. Oh, you don't have to.

When the only meaningful choice is between the lesser and the greater of two evils, what would you suggest we do? (Start by trying to work out which is which, I suppose.)

And another thing (we can do), support and vote for groups like the Northern Independence Party who are standing candidates in the May elections.  Really help them (like our kittens and many others, did with Crobostic back in the glorious day).  Start building something that works for us.

Look at this stuff ffs https://www.freethenorth.co.uk/local-policies
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on April 02, 2022, 10:23:13 PM
No fucking alternative here apart from the Lib Dems. I'm voting Labour in the locals, because they're the best chance of delivering the council from Tory control (unless the LD's fuck it up with their stupid misleading graphs again), and because judging by my doorstep conversation with one of their candidates, they're as disillusioned with the current leadership as I am.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 02, 2022, 11:31:01 PM
It's a shame more people don't have the choice, whether you do or not, take a look at that NIP manifesto, shows us what it's possible to dream and work for.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 03, 2022, 09:31:48 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/27/keir-starmer-party-opposition-election-labour

Labour needs to simultaneously move away from and closer to Corbynism, he concludes.

Starmer and his cabinet have a basic lack of presentational skills, he concludes.

At least the latter makes sense.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on April 03, 2022, 10:06:24 AM
"We've got the kind of dullards we asked for, only they're a bit dull..."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 03, 2022, 11:35:51 AM
Bit rich for John Harris to ask what the point of something is
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 03, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
They're still struggling like morbidly constipated gazelles to produce the proverbial turd, to whit : defining what a popular, appealing centrist market-friendly manifesto that distinguishes Labour from the Tories looks like that will appeal to enough of Labour's core contingency and swing voters.

It doesn't exist. Blairism was a one shot all gone idea. The 2008 crash happened, the Iraq war happened, austerity happened, Brexit happened, Covid happened. Russia is happening.

The solution was Corbyism, or if you react to that word like Voldemort or dog cum, the policies that were contained in the 2017 and 2019 manifestos.

Get a fucking grip.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 03, 2022, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 02, 2022, 12:36:40 PMI'd quite like a revolution, I could gaffa tape my kitchen knife to a broom handle.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/WantARevolution?src=hashtag_click
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on April 03, 2022, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: shoulders on April 03, 2022, 11:39:44 AMThey're still struggling like morbidly constipated gazelles to produce the proverbial turd, to whit : defining what a popular, appealing centrist market-friendly manifesto that distinguishes Labour from the Tories looks like that will appeal to enough of Labour's core contingency and swing voters.

It doesn't exist. Blairism was a one shot all gone idea. The 2008 crash happened, the Iraq war happened, austerity happened, Brexit happened, Covid happened. Russia is happening.

The solution was Corbyism, or if you react to that word like Voldemort or dog cum, the policies that were contained in the 2017 and 2019 manifestos.

Get a fucking grip.
In times of prosperity you can get away with a centrist/New Labour/LibDem version of nice thoughts and no more money, but when people can't afford to eat or heat their houses, talking about ethics doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 03, 2022, 01:13:19 PM
It's the obvious logic of the lifeboat - there will always be a good number of people who'll ignore others drowning, provided their place in the boats is safe.

Labour* (and the tories) have been betting on that for decades but we've just lost more than half the lifeboats. 

*Not all of Labour, we all know who I mean here.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 03, 2022, 01:14:06 PM
Not as an opposition, no. The Tories however freely dip into socialist ideas* that this lot of milquetoast cunts would never entertain as they try to flirt with big business.

*purely for short term self-preservation, not as part of any ideological platform

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 03, 2022, 11:54:44 PM
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1510546946011840516?fbclid=IwAR2r8zuksmwaQECdJoelJJGzPDBiUgdXE3uY_J1b-gKvlbD31B1YY81q57c

Grotesque
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 04, 2022, 06:34:02 AM
If I had kids I'd be petrified of the harms self-regarding morons like Dorries and Duffield might do to their futures.  Ghastly people.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on April 04, 2022, 09:09:06 AM
I meant to share this facepalm over the weekend when i first saw it.
 


https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/status/1510172392471117827?t=m5NcyE958s9eEuQZ0DMjXw&s=19


Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 04, 2022, 09:21:42 AM
"So I hear you're a Communist now, Emma Kennedy"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 04, 2022, 02:33:55 PM
Love to be called a "proper grown up" by a pigshit thick Tory
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 04, 2022, 02:36:18 PM
You would if you were a pigshit thick Labour MP
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on April 04, 2022, 03:33:43 PM
Being "not the current awful government" is all well and good at the moment when there is nothing really at stake and it can give you a lift in the polls but unless there is a credible alternative and something to give a shit about long term it will all mean nothing when 6 months from the next election the Tories soften up, give a few tax cuts and pretend they have learned their lesson. All the centre/centre right people will go back to them, if they ever really left
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 04, 2022, 04:05:10 PM
feel like pure shit just want tory policy without the stigma associated with voting tory!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 04, 2022, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 04, 2022, 04:05:10 PMfeel like pure shit just want tory policy without the stigma associated with voting tory!

I know it's an old saw, but wanted to remind everyone of this centrist uber-melt post:

(https://external-preview.redd.it/ySS6kCQMxujepwedkSW0odiqJljf5vrzSev48LgimfU.jpg?auto=webp&s=766f6e3b8ebfa1ecc1b85b9f24326b5e073e7433)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on April 04, 2022, 10:56:02 PM
God hates flags.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 04, 2022, 10:57:23 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of going to dinner parties only for people to get out their flags, crack a few anti semitic jokes, or display some kind of moral certainty after the second bottle of barolo.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on April 04, 2022, 11:04:51 PM
Personally, if I can't get my flags with anti-Semitic slogans (which I know to be correct btw) on out then there's no point in going to these dinner parties. These people simply want to stamp out fun.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 04, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
After dinner we don Nazi uniforms and sing the chorus from the end of Meistersinger, which always gets us right in the mood for some violent sex. It wouldn't be a leftist dinner party otherwise!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 04, 2022, 11:19:28 PM
Still, good to know almost as soon as the middle classes feel the pinch socialist ideas become popular again.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 05, 2022, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: shoulders on April 04, 2022, 11:19:28 PMStill, good to know almost as soon as the middle classes feel the pinch socialist ideas become popular again.

I think it's more that they can now feel that they can trumpet socialist ideas and look cool now there's no hope of them actually happening.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 05, 2022, 08:22:22 AM
Yeah. There's no way Growling is struggling to pay the leccy bill. It's pure posturing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 05, 2022, 09:51:47 AM
The other night I was thinking of watching some film.  Idly glancing down the cast, I saw Eddie Fucking Marsan simpering away down the list, appetite for entertainment shriveled right then and there.  I don't think there were many flags in it. 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 05, 2022, 10:03:23 AM
If you really want to annoy him, just refer to him solely as 'Bladesey'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 05, 2022, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: Buelligan on April 05, 2022, 09:51:47 AMThe other night I was thinking of watching some film.  Idly glancing down the cast, I saw Eddie Fucking Marsan simpering away down the list, appetite for entertainment shriveled right then and there.  I don't think there were many flags in it. 

He usually plays contemptible characters anyway, him being worse in real life could make Tyrannosaur even better.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 05, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Yeah, I just can't tolerate his self-satisfied stupid smirk though.  Because of what it cost us all, all those smug arseholes with their minicelebrity and their fucking dinner parties, cost us.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Key on April 05, 2022, 11:20:44 AM
Not sure I can think of another actor who has such as mis-match between his onscreen persona and his real personality. Unhinged psycho hardman or King of the Melts?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 05, 2022, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Key on April 05, 2022, 11:20:44 AMI don't think I can think if another actor who has such as mis-match between his onscreen persona and his real personality. Unhinged psycho hardman or King of the Melts?

he's not a melt centrist he's aggro-centrist

you telling me this guy couldn't kick off?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2VghKtXgAAee5y.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 05, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Well that certainly doesnt reek of flags, moral certainty and antisemitism.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 05, 2022, 12:25:06 PM
Vincent Jones is an absolute darling.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 05, 2022, 02:37:59 PM
There's no hiding the fact that his hair is very much in the process of exiting his head.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 06, 2022, 10:16:05 AM
And now this -

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 06, 2022, 11:03:46 AM
Steady on Keith!

QuoteStarmer told BBC Radio 5 Live the government had chosen to place the burden on people in employment, while protecting those who made income from renting out property and share dividends.

He said:

There are lots of landlords who've got many, many properties and they are not going to be paying a penny more in tax. Their tenants, who are going out to work, are going to be paying more in tax.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 06, 2022, 11:22:52 AM
That might be the most left-radical thing he's said since he won the leadership election and wiped his arse on the member pledges.
Title: Doesn't really give a shit
Post by: Buelligan on April 06, 2022, 12:03:44 PM
He's thinking about the May elections, I expect.  Anyone falling for it after "he wiped his arse on the member pledges", solemnly given in order to win the leadership election and then promptly bog papered, deserves him.

(https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/app/uploads/2021/03/Screenshot-2021-03-30-at-22.35.30.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 06, 2022, 12:35:41 PM
Nah, he's got me convinced, and thousands others like me.

My "Kieth" days are over, and my Sir Kier days are beginning.

Today is the day I grow up.

We CAN do this.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 06, 2022, 01:23:13 PM
Jesus christ

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1511674397169496064

Led by Led By Donkeys
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 06, 2022, 02:20:39 PM
I'm an undecided voter somewhere on the liberal - socialist spectrum who earns between £30,000 and £100,000 PA and I HATE TAXATION
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on April 06, 2022, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on April 05, 2022, 10:21:37 AMYeah, I just can't tolerate his self-satisfied stupid smirk though.  Because of what it cost us all, all those smug arseholes with their minicelebrity and their fucking dinner parties, cost us.

Same with JOB. I can't bear to even look at his stupid fucking cuntish face anymore. I used to hate-watch clips of him but honestly I just can't do it now, There was some video of him trending the other day that I had to skip past. Presumably, it's him listening to a desperate caller talking about rising energy prices.while he does his sad face, picking at his beard and doing deep breaths, saying "How did we get here?". ARRGGHHHHH...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Rizla on April 06, 2022, 06:04:10 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 06, 2022, 01:23:13 PMJesus christ

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1511674397169496064

Led by Led By Donkeys
pranks and punditry. that's the grown ups in charge. they should get johnny pie in as their communications guy
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 07, 2022, 05:06:27 PM
Continuing to drag the name of the guy he worked with for years, going to go down really well for him in the end

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPvDdGzXsAUYbD7?format=jpg&name=large)

God knows what the column by that absolute  shithead Jonathan Freedland is about
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 07, 2022, 05:30:20 PM
He's a dissembling slimy creep.  The one thing you can take from almost everything he's said and done is he doesn't really care about anything, just how it looks, how it can be used and who it can be used against.

We don't need any more leaders like that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 07, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 07, 2022, 05:06:27 PMContinuing to drag the name of the guy he worked with for years, going to go down really well for him in the end

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPvDdGzXsAUYbD7?format=jpg&name=large)

I dunno. I think the JC is shit-stirring wrt Corbs. Note that Kieth 'refused to give an unequivocal answer' there. He's a wet wipe, obvs.

Totally shitty wrt Amnesty, though. The UN reckon Israel is an apartheid state too. I'm really starting to doubt our former human rights lawyer's commitment to human rights...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 07, 2022, 07:13:42 PM
Remember the vanishingly small readership and don't even draw attention where possible, especially on social media.

All the same, Starmer getting what's coming to him there. The JC won't even pretend to be nice to Labour for anything less than total obedience (and even then they'll probably demand membership purges in the hundreds of thousands).

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2022, 07:30:14 PM
Laura Murray's getting substantial damages off The Telegraph and Austin.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/ex-corbyn-aide-to-get-substantial-damages-over-false-antisemitism/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 07, 2022, 07:44:19 PM
If she beats Riley on appeal I think I will actually cum.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 07, 2022, 07:59:35 PM
Yes, ha ha ha! Yes!

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 07, 2022, 09:21:42 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 07, 2022, 05:06:27 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPvDdGzXsAUYbD7?format=jpg&name=large)

"what da fuck is identity polatics"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 07, 2022, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2022, 07:30:14 PMLaura Murray's getting substantial damages off The Telegraph and Austin.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/ex-corbyn-aide-to-get-substantial-damages-over-false-antisemitism/

The really important bit:

QuoteIn a statement at the High Court in London, they also agreed to pay Ms Murray substantial damages and her legal costs.

QuoteMs Murray, who now works as a history teacher.

Teaching Kieth he's on the wrong side of it. Again.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 08, 2022, 08:21:21 AM
https://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=452&RPID=53836597

Labour had 80% of the vote at the last election here.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 08, 2022, 08:41:56 AM
That's what success looks like for the right of the party: doing just enough to keep the uppity povvos onside without upsetting Lord Rothermere.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 08, 2022, 09:10:42 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 08, 2022, 08:21:21 AMhttps://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=452&RPID=53836597

Labour had 80% of the vote at the last election here.

Who is the "The Conservative Party Candidate" party? Is it like the Continuity IRA?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 08, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
Considering it's a Tory standing on Merseyside, I think it's more like the Manchurian Candidate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 08, 2022, 10:08:07 AM
QuoteLBC'S James O'Brien on holiday next week to be replaced by Rachel Reeves MP, Mayor Sadiq Khan & Wes Streeting MP - what a brilliant platform for Labour ahead of local elections. A 'free hit' as we say in cricket parlance. Manna from Heaven for their followers!

https://twitter.com/truemagic68/status/1512322614856982531

lol I hope Rachel and Wes get their arses handed to them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 08, 2022, 10:12:55 AM
Also look like labour took a drubbing in a few bye elections last night.

QuoteCote Heath (High Peak) council by-election result:

CON: 55.5% (+5.4)
LAB: 39.2% (-10.7)
GRN: 5.3% (+5.3)

Votes cast: 1,054

Conservative GAIN from Labour.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1512197252986683398

QuoteWarbreck (Liverpool) council by-election result:

LAB: 48.2% (-31.8)
LDEM: 46.2% (+38.3)
GRN: 3.2% (-1.1)
CON: 2.4% (-4.1)

No Lib (-1.3) as prev.

Votes cast: 1,893

Labour HOLD.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1512205823770075140

QuoteLyme and Charmouth (Dorset) council by-election result:

GRN: 43.8% (+27.0)
CON: 26.5% (-13.7)
IND: 23.6% (-6.7)
LAB: 6.1% (-6.6)

Votes cast: 1,355

Green GAIN from Conservative.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1512199010026766337

QuoteSouth Hunsley (East Riding of Yorkshire) council by-election result:

LDEM: 54.7% (+41.1)
CON: 36.8% (-28.5)
LAB: 4.5% (-6.8)
GRN: 4.1% (+4.1)

No UKIP (-9.9) as prev.

Votes cast: 2,468

Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1512198066908151811
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: The Giggling Bean on April 08, 2022, 10:40:03 AM
The last time we got a conservative leaflet through the door, here in Liverpool, it said our local Councillor was based in London in the small print. I laughed, threw it in the bin then scrubbed my hands.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 08, 2022, 10:44:14 AM
I liked Mark Thomas' tip of finding out tory/ukip etc freepost addresses and posting any shite they send you back, plus some of any tat you want to get rid of. Unfortunately it seems they're less likely to use freepost now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: mattyc on April 08, 2022, 11:45:44 AM
Imagine listening to Streeting or Reeves droning on for 3 hours. Not just dire politics but also dull, dull, dull.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 08, 2022, 12:26:21 PM
I remember Reeves at Brudenell Social Club spouting on stage that 'what we want is a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn'. Would have been around 2018.

Even then, I thought she had some brass neck and was disappointed no-one shouted out 'Chicken coup'.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: mattyc on April 08, 2022, 12:39:04 PM
If she'd been speaking for more than about 30 secs everyone was probably stultified into comatose silence, unable to react.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 08, 2022, 01:04:47 PM
Quote from: shoulders on April 08, 2022, 12:26:21 PMI remember Reeves at Brudenell Social Club spouting on stage that 'what we want is a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn'. Would have been around 2018.

Even then, I thought she had some brass neck and was disappointed no-one shouted out 'Chicken coup'.



Oh, did she turn up for that?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on April 08, 2022, 03:05:48 PM
Whilst all the other days of the last conference are still up on youtube, day 3 has now been removed. It was on day 3 that conference voted to back sanctions against Israel over 'crime of apartheid'. Funny that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 08, 2022, 03:55:30 PM
Can imagine Wes doing some banter, but I can't believe Rachel Reeves can talk for more than few minutes. All she's interested is balancing government spending with taxation, which usually starts by cutting benefits
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 08, 2022, 03:56:17 PM
She's very good at chess.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 08, 2022, 10:38:52 PM
Look, there's no magic money tree!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on April 09, 2022, 09:52:11 AM
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1512505586495238150
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 09, 2022, 10:20:57 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6-iANqJ-zIk/maxresdefault.jpg)

To destroy the power of the Skeksis, first, we need to defeat Keith.

Keith the Amulet that draws all leftist hope in the Labour Party to be neutralised with hopeless Sisyphean spirals of carrot and stick.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 09, 2022, 06:39:31 PM
Despite her being a centrist, I've always thought Emily Thornberry is alright and that things could have been so different if she hadn't been sidelined in the leadership contest in favour of Kieth.

She was a Corbyn ally during the Chicken Coup and now this: https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1512344106097430531

Respect to her for standing her ground.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 09, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
QuoteWatching
@jessphillips
 at her paperback launch.
'I'd love to be PM but being leader of the Labour Party looks like the shittest job in the world.'


https://mobile.twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1512510681878339587

Comments full of elephant memory dolts saying 'she's bloody amazing!!!' as if she hadn't put herself up for leadership, dropped out and then squirreled away about 60 bags in recent memory.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 09, 2022, 07:18:58 PM
Maybe she didn't want to get stabbed in the front, did you think of that?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 09, 2022, 07:36:38 PM
There's no danger of that staying in her new extension.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 09, 2022, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 09, 2022, 06:45:46 PMhttps://mobile.twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1512510681878339587

Comments full of elephant memory dolts saying 'she's bloody amazing!!!' as if she hadn't put herself up for leadership, dropped out and then squirreled away about 60 bags in recent memory.

Grifter whose entire career plan is based on backseat driving. The antithesis of a leader. No better than some washed up ex pro doing football punditry on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on April 10, 2022, 12:55:52 AM
Aaron Bastani blowing smoke up Boris Churchill's arse on Twitter, you love to see it

"Brits knocking this because they think wanting to be in the EU is an identity need to get a grip. It takes bottle to go to Ukraine and get out on the streets of Kiev. Fair play to the PM."

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1512909065810231302

Urrgh
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on April 10, 2022, 10:42:53 AM

Chomsky calls Starmer "Keith"

tee hee

https://fb.watch/cinVP5Az8z/

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 10, 2022, 10:53:09 AM
Presumably thats just an answer to a question from some dickhead in the audience. Her run for leader in 2020 was so spectactularly inept, she doesnt have the most superficial chops for leadership. Pretending to sound like you're going to cry is the exact opposite of what you need to be doing
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 10, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
Observer reporting young adults have no faith in democracy
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/10/young-adults-loss-of-faith-in-uk-democracy-survey

yeah, funny that innit?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 10, 2022, 01:19:52 PM
It's not an accident.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 10, 2022, 01:21:45 PM
Terrible thing, this recent spate of fires isn't it? Some people think it's arson, but I couldn't possibly say. My brother, an honest petrol salesman, is constantly under suspicion...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Leo2112 on April 10, 2022, 01:32:11 PM
Ah yeah I wondered how long it would be before the media went back to being concerned about youth apathy now the chance for progressive change has been stamped out.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 10, 2022, 01:35:04 PM
Remember when the BBC was running those adverts clearly targeted at young people that were all like 'isn't politics a bit...meh?' specifically a few weeks before the 2019 GE?

I think we all do.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on April 10, 2022, 09:23:52 PM
Pretty decent recap of the last two years here:

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/keir-starmer-labour-party-uk-financial-support-antisemitism-trade-unions

Anyone who defends Starmer's Labour right now should be made to read that article, and then challenged to explain what the point of them is.  QI klaxons if they say: "They're better than the Tories", given that they mostly seem to stand for the same things.  Reform UK is probably also better than the Tories if you're happy to ignore a huge chunk of what they stand for, and focus on some narrow aspect like electoral reform or scrapping HS2.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 10, 2022, 09:39:18 PM
Daniel Finn's a gbl too.

Quote from: from that articleReeves said that a drop in Labour membership, which has reduced the party's income, was a price worth paying for shedding unwelcome supporters and removing the "stain" of anti-Semitism from the party. "Membership in my constituency is falling and that's a good thing," she said. People had left "who should never have joined the Labour Party. They never shared our values," she added.

Fucking imbecile.  I mean, whatever she may think about them, who does she think votes Labour?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 11, 2022, 10:16:07 AM
tbf she's right, we never shared the labour party's values and should never have joined.

How long till she gives up trying to become chancellor so she can be big mumsy girlboss with the redbox, and just go work as a consultant for bet365 or BAE systems
Title: A robot in lipstick
Post by: Buelligan on April 11, 2022, 10:56:47 AM
Who is to say she's not even now holding down lucrative non-executive directorships in both camps?  I guess she could and yet she remains tight-lipped on the matter. 

No smoke, that's what they used to say about old Jimminy Crimble, ain't it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 11, 2022, 11:10:19 AM
It'd be on her register of interests. It's a cunt-stuffed roster of privatisers and apartheid enthusiasts but no gambling links as yet

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24851/rachel_reeves/leeds_west
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 11, 2022, 11:11:29 AM
I was joking.  It just gave me pleasure because she's such a fucking cunt.

The fact that anyone takes it even as remotely possible proves her utter cuntishness, does it not?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 11, 2022, 11:30:20 AM
Oh, I'm sure she'll be off advising arms companies and gambling cartels how they can harm people with convincing sadface as soon as her majority disappears.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 11, 2022, 11:49:25 AM
Quote@MccarthyFintan
#NHS workers, nurses, teachers and other public sector workers must accept pay restraint to combat inflation says Rachel Reeves. @uklabour - NOT #OnYourSide

https://twitter.com/MccarthyFintan/status/1513360307997057026

She sounds like Thatcher. Interesting how the rich don't seem to be required to make any sacrifices by the Tory-Starmer Labour political class, just ordinary people.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 11, 2022, 09:31:59 PM
Labour's current unerring ability to tap into the worst possible opinion and then back it loudly, quoting The Sun today -

Quote from: The Labour Party@UKLabourMotorists were already being hammered by prices at the pump, and now millions can't even access fuel.

The government must immediately impose injunctions to put a stop to this disruption.(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1513400678936420353/0Q6l7sZj?format=jpg&name=small)
QuoteCops could BAN eco-warrior protests blocking fuel as 'shortages' spark huge queues... 
PRESSURE is mounting on cops to BAN fuel protests and immediately arrest the eco-warriors causing chaos for millions of drivers across Britain.  Ministers are...

Let's ban protest now, shall we, Keith?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1513545879181004800
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 11, 2022, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 11, 2022, 11:49:25 AMhttps://twitter.com/MccarthyFintan/status/1513360307997057026

She sounds like Thatcher. Interesting how the rich don't seem to be required to make any sacrifices by the Tory-Starmer Labour political class, just ordinary people.

She's neolib fuckwit.

Gary Stevenson explains the reason we have crazy inflation at the moment: https://youtu.be/xct6FkKYmGc?t=1368
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 11, 2022, 11:47:59 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on April 11, 2022, 09:31:59 PMLabour's current unerring ability to tap into the worst possible opinion and then back it loudly, quoting The Sun today -


Let's ban protest now, shall we, Keith?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1513545879181004800

A reminder that David Wearing called it even before Kieth won the Labour leadership election:


Keir Starmer: Not the Safe Choice for Labour?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKNk3sXsvKU
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
And now this -

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on April 12, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
It's going to be nothing but pure beige awfulness from this iteration of the Party from now until the election, where they'll probably just put forward a slightly re-worded version of the Tory manifesto and an endless string of apologies for ever allowing Jeremy Corbyn to exist.

If the alternative of the Tories winning again wasn't so bad, I wouldn't be sorry to see them get totally annihilated. Almost nothing you can even get behind or think: 'well that's not a bad policy/stance actually', just attempting to out-Tory the Tories, to crack skulls harder than they can.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 02:00:03 PM
If we can learn anything from what's going on currently in French politics, it's this - if we permit the choice offered to the electorate to always be between two brands of neo liberalism, the people made desperate enough by that will increasingly turn to fascism (if we permit socialist alternatives to be spilt and neutralised).

We cannot allow that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 12, 2022, 02:04:03 PM
It appears at times as though their strategy is to be so unappealing they don't want to win the election, only to lose to the extent that the conclusion drawn is 'we didn't go right wing enough'.

After Starmer loses they have already ensured the next round of challengers will not be from the left, purely as they won't get the numbers.

And they wonder why young people feel the most unrepresented and disenfranchised they have done in a generation.

But yes, if Labour somehow inherit the country through the Tories fucking up in a way the electorate manage to pin them for, nothing will change for ordinary people. Crooks will get Lordships, the party will go back to being financially reliant on right wing big business owners and under the thumb of the right wing press.

Corbyn should have pushed through open selection regardless of any negative clamour of any kind. It is a fundamentally positive policy with a simple idea that's easy to promote and easy to defend.

Totally squandered any chances by thinking we could reason with or bargain with these creeps.



Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 12, 2022, 02:59:20 PM
Open selection would have been instantly rescinded by the NEC.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on April 12, 2022, 03:01:23 PM
I generally assume they're trying to do the most low risk possible way of recording a seat gain rather than anything else. Which considering how squeezed the party was in 2019 is like deciding to play Mario Kart at 50cc and aiming for bronze.

They'll claim any kind of seat gain at all as being a major victory after the previous leadership and just sit about doing fuck all hoping for the Tories to just hand them a term at some point.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on April 12, 2022, 03:14:48 PM
I met my partner's family the other night and one of them told me she joined Labour when Starmer took over and would've never joined  previously because of how bad Corbyn was and the anti-semitism. She then went through the old classic "We need to come together to get the Tories out and the only way to do that is to move the Party to the Right and not be Hard Left, like Corbyn"

I had to basically just nod and stay quiet cos I knew I'd end up arguing with her and it's not a good look when you're trying to impress your potential in laws.  Starmer spends more time kicking the Left than he does fighting the Tories. It doesn't really sound like the Left are starting the fight. God, it's just so frustrating.

She also seems to think that Corbyn refused to form a coalition with Swinson's Lib Dems to stop Brexit going through in 2019. That's bollocks, isn't it? It was the other way round. Swinson said she wouldn't do it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on April 12, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
Yip. Both the LDs and SNP went for ideological purity in the indicative votes ballots, which was the closest we came to avoiding Brexit on the Tories' own terms.

(Key phrase: "There's no better relationship with the EU than the one we've already got" which relies on such a gross misunderstanding of realpolitik that it must have been deliberate)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
Yes. 
Quote from: The Independent 5 November 2019Jo Swinson 'absolutely categorically' rules out working with Corbyn even to deliver new Brexit referendum

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jo-swinson-corbyn-general-election-brexit-referendum-coalition-a9185896.html
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on April 12, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
Swinson definitely said he was 'unfit to be PM' and the Lib Dems would never deal with him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 03:35:24 PM
I'm afraid I have very little patience with people who pontificate about politics but either don't actually follow it or don't seem to have sufficient memory to retain salient information. 

Perhaps it's best that you thoroughly offend her, lipsink, at this early stage, before she inveigles her way into your actual family.  Grasp this nasty nettle now to avoid a whole massive fucking patch.  WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 12, 2022, 03:36:55 PM
lipsink should make 12 promises regarding their relationship with this in law and then break all 12 of them over the next few years. She's a massive Kier fan, she won't mind.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on April 12, 2022, 03:38:28 PM
The thing is she talked about how the Party needs to go to the Right and not be so Left like Corbyn I'd love her to explain exactly what policies she thinks are too Left Wing and what Right Wing policies she thinks the Party should have. She didn't sound very good on detail. Just parroting what she's seen on Twitter.

I think I'll just avoid chatting to her about it. I did say I was a Corbyn supporter so I'm probably on her list now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 03:41:16 PM
These actual dimwits are the ones that need sending to detention centres or being heavily sanctioned.  That is my proposed new right wing policy I'd like to see adopted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 12, 2022, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 03:35:24 PMPerhaps it's best that you thoroughly offend her, lipsink, at this early stage, before she inveigles her way into your actual family.  Grasp this nasty nettle now to avoid a whole massive fucking patch.  WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!

You don't deal with weeds by ripping them out unless you want to see them again, you need a long-term chemical solution.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 04:06:41 PM
Or FIRE!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on April 12, 2022, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 12, 2022, 04:01:29 PMyou need a long-term chemical solution.

So much for the tolerant left!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 04:57:49 PM
Won't anybody think of The Pixies?

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 12, 2022, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: imitationleather on April 12, 2022, 04:55:31 PMSo much for the tolerant left!

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S08E06/670986.jpg?b64lines=IEkgRE9OJ1QgUkVDQUxMIFNBWUlORwogS2luZGVyIG9yIGdlbnRsZXI=)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 12, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 04:57:49 PMWon't anybody think of The Pixies?


That's not the original soundtrack. It was originally scored with Perfect Day.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 08:36:58 PM
Like I said, I was thinking of the Pixies.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 12:30:26 PM
Quote🚨BREAKING: The party have removed the membership login wall for brand resources.

It's now wayyy easier to download logos, fonts, guidelines etc if you're designing campaign material, etc etc

https://twitter.com/LabourDesign/status/1514197212967886850

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQOE-ZiWUAgAAaO?format=jpg&name=small)

This is definitely a good idea, there's no chance this isn't a good idea.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on April 13, 2022, 12:33:26 PM
I think it probably is?

It's not like it was ever difficult for someone acting maliciously (you know what I mean).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 13, 2022, 12:40:53 PM
The ft wants ed balls back

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1514176058714636289

Ed balls. Ed fucking balls
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on April 13, 2022, 12:47:58 PM
QuoteYet there is still unease within Labour that it has not changed enough. Last month, I sat with 20 moderate MPs discussing their future. All agreed that voters were yet to embrace the party. One says, "voters are going off Boris Johnson in a big way, but they are yet to come over to us. That worries me."

One of Labour's senior figures from its last stint in office warns, "every time you think you've done enough to reassure the public, you need to double down on it again". The former minister adds, "all of the policies from that era need to be thrown out of the window, which is a much more difficult thing to do".

No policies, just Ed Balls tap dancing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 13, 2022, 12:53:46 PM
The pink paper is the sensible one you see
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 13, 2022, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 13, 2022, 12:40:53 PMThe ft wants ed balls back

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1514176058714636289

Ed balls. Ed fucking balls

"Labour is still lacking personalities"

Because that's the only thing that these blue tick journalists think voters care about.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 01:06:00 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on April 13, 2022, 12:33:26 PMI think it probably is?

It's not like it was ever difficult for someone acting maliciously (you know what I mean).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQOMrO4WYAM8fls?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 13, 2022, 01:12:02 PM
He was very nice to the sort of people who read the FT. Nothing surprising here.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 01:32:34 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 13, 2022, 12:58:45 PM"Labour is still lacking personalities"

Because that's the only thing that these blue tick journalists think voters care about.

And yet somehow they've still managed to build a personality cult around a personality vacuum.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 13, 2022, 02:18:05 PM
I'm firmly on the side of Nature in that debate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 13, 2022, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 13, 2022, 12:40:53 PMThe ft wants ed balls back

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1514176058714636289

Ed balls. Ed fucking balls

QuotePreviously, the tentacles of Jeremy Corbyn's leftwing project reached into every corner of the party.

Just reporting the facts, guv.

QuoteThe former minister adds "all of the policies from the Corbyn era need to be thrown out of the window"

Ah, a true democrat.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
Wasn't it Balls who talked Milliband into weakening his more leftie policies? This is definitely a guy who knows what he's talking about!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on April 13, 2022, 02:42:55 PM
Least he won't have to bother doing that this time.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on April 13, 2022, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 13, 2022, 12:40:53 PMThe ft wants ed balls back

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1514176058714636289

Ed balls. Ed fucking balls

538 Podcast noted that he was the UK 'politician' with the highest favorability rating. Unfortunately they failed to point out that that was an atrocious use of polling.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on April 13, 2022, 03:28:17 PM
The modern liberal strategy of pumping out right-wing messaging to appease an imagined insatiable reactionary public while simultaneously broadcasting a sort of coy meta-narrative about how shrewd and clever and necessarily cynical it is to do all this is fascinatingly incoherent to me. It's like they think that the mystical red wall voters who want Labour to become the Tories will somehow magically only pick up on the first part but not the second.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on April 13, 2022, 03:28:17 PMThe modern liberal strategy of pumping out right-wing messaging to appease an imagined insatiable reactionary public throng while simultaneously broadcasting a sort of coy meta-narrative about how shrewd and clever and necessarily cynical it is to do all this is fascinatingly incoherent to me. It's like they think that the mystical red wall voters who want Labour to become the Tories will somehow magically only pick up on the first part but not the second.

"you and I know it's bullshit, but the point is it's the right kind of bullshit!"

the real tell here is that these twats are quite content to vote for proven liars if it's currently working out for them.

Although lying is unsurprisingly pretty unpopular with the wider-public no matter how they vote.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 13, 2022, 05:27:54 PM
It underscores their absence of interest in people as opposed to control. It is the amplification of that feckless, emotionally absent avarice.

The extent to which Starmer is rehashing the Miliband era, one which spectacularly failed to excite anyone and ended in electoral demise, is incredible. This time it is happening without even a sort of tragic, but stubbornly likeable dork as leader.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 13, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
I didn't like Miliband much if I'm honest.  Imagine the hubris of someone (he is not alone, mind) thinking they should lead the party and run the country, as spectactularly obviously out of their depth as he was.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 05:45:51 PM
Starmer strikes me as way more of a petty authoritarian cop than Milliband. Far less trustworthy and probably more cowardly too. The kind of guy who lets you know you've been sacked by disabling your keycards.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 13, 2022, 05:46:21 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 13, 2022, 05:51:24 PM
I had (and still have) a soft spot for Ed. He always looked a bit lost and frightened, which resonated.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 13, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
Yeah, I thought he was alright too. He's a bit of a centrist but at least he's someone the left could have worked with. And we know this because of the way the right wing press treated the reputation of his father.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
It sounds like he wanted to be more lefty but got fucked over by the PLP. A running theme there then.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 13, 2022, 06:28:01 PM
Is alright good enough?  You know we often talk about the real suffering that people in the UK and outside have and are undergoing because of the way Britain is governed.  We need someone on fire with that, burning to change the world.  That's what I reckon anyway.

I'm sure as a boss or a man in the pub he was fine but is that enough, as our leader?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: mattyc on April 13, 2022, 06:41:56 PM
I have to admit that Ed Balls is quite popular with me, because every time I remember him losing his seat I have a right good old laugh.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 13, 2022, 06:57:42 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 06:15:20 PMIt sounds like he wanted to be more lefty but got fucked over by the PLP. A running theme there then.

I think so. As far as I can see, he's not one of the PLP agitating to ditch every Corbyn manifesto policy. From that perspective alone, it makes him someone the left could work with to get at least some of the things we want.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 13, 2022, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 13, 2022, 06:57:42 PMI think so. As far as I can see, he's not one of the PLP agitating to ditch every Corbyn manifesto policy. From that perspective alone, it makes him someone the left could work with to get at least some of the things we want.

I actually thought the PLP were pressuring Starmer to get him away from the Green New Deal stuff or at least neuter both Milliband and the aims of the GND. Of course Kieth already removed any accountability from it by dropping the targets in his pledge anyway.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 14, 2022, 10:50:09 AM
Ed Balls is best known for searching for his own name with the wrong box
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 14, 2022, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 14, 2022, 10:50:09 AMEd Balls is best known for searching for his own name with the wrong box

I think I prefer Sean Kenny's (former Dublin mayor) version of this gaffe.
(http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/egg-tweet-752x501.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 14, 2022, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 14, 2022, 10:50:09 AMEd Balls is best known for searching for his own name with the wrong box

Steady on, there's two weeks to go!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 14, 2022, 05:16:21 PM
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1514568053534740486?s=20

My favourite 'this you?' of all time. Someone who stood as a tory in 2019, now one of labours #futurecandidates, lecturing the left on holding their noses to vote for Keith. Incredible stuff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 14, 2022, 06:26:43 PM
Whoever runs that account puts most our journos to shame, mostly through some very basic keyword searches.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 14, 2022, 07:01:53 PM
Is he the same Mark Dean Brown that has this YT channel, I wonder?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCALrWF3CY-_3uqhUBOcqGfw/featured
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 14, 2022, 07:32:12 PM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 14, 2022, 05:16:21 PMSomeone who stood as a tory in 2019, now one of labours #futurecandidates

I thought that was against The Rules?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 14, 2022, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 14, 2022, 07:32:12 PMI thought that was against The Rules?

Haven't you heard? Labour are under new management.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Daniel on April 15, 2022, 07:55:21 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 14, 2022, 07:32:12 PMI thought that was against The Rules?

Only if you stood against Labour from the left.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 15, 2022, 10:03:21 AM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 14, 2022, 05:16:21 PMhttps://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1514568053534740486?s=20

My favourite 'this you?' of all time. Someone who stood as a tory in 2019, now one of labours #futurecandidates, lecturing the left on holding their noses to vote for Keith. Incredible stuff.

What does Brown's tweet say? He's limited who can see it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 15, 2022, 10:15:31 AM
This guy?  https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/author/mark-dean-brown/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 15, 2022, 10:18:27 AM
Remember that austerity lovin' Tory MP who crossed the floor into Keith's welcoming arms?

What a coup that was. He ever said a word about anything since?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 15, 2022, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 15, 2022, 10:03:21 AMWhat does Brown's tweet say? He's limited who can see it.

QuoteKeep going round the houses here with tired, well-worn lines. Do you want 12 more years of Conservatives or do you want a Labour back in power? That's the choice we have, no matter how we dress it up.

https://twitter.com/markdeanbrown/status/1514210763983966210
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 15, 2022, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 15, 2022, 10:03:21 AMWhat does Brown's tweet say? He's limited who can see it.
hes blocked the account, indeed everyone who qt'd this, so i think it's this one

https://twitter.com/markdeanbrown/status/1514201579804663814

He subsequently has a bit of a meltdown defending himself against accounts called DOG_LOVER69 and came out with this pearler

https://twitter.com/markdeanbrown/status/1514601254902657036

Edit well if not those tweets are still damning for what a cunt he is
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 15, 2022, 12:20:43 PM
Deary, deary, me.  What a terribly silly man.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 15, 2022, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 15, 2022, 11:41:47 AMhes blocked the account, indeed everyone who qt'd this, so i think it's this one

https://twitter.com/markdeanbrown/status/1514201579804663814

He subsequently has a bit of a meltdown defending himself against accounts called DOG_LOVER69 and came out with this pearler

https://twitter.com/markdeanbrown/status/1514601254902657036

Edit well if not those tweets are still damning for what a cunt he is

It's the one I posted, twitter hides the original tweet but (inconsistently you need to click through to the actual tweet on the timeline) leaks the original url when the quotee blocks the quoter.

(https://i.imgur.com/FmWA4aX.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 15, 2022, 12:42:08 PM
I love this idea!  He was tory, is Labour, that doesn't matter though, not really

What matters is he's a great person and should definitely be speaking for us, running our lives and he illustrates this by winning twitter!  Bravo.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 15, 2022, 12:56:57 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 15, 2022, 12:37:24 PMIt's the one I posted, twitter hides the original tweet but (inconsistently you need to click through to the actual tweet on the timeline) leaks the original url when the quotee blocks the quoter.

yeah ive seen that, couldnt get it to work in this case. Really is a cunts trick blocking everyone who QTs you
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 15, 2022, 02:42:54 PM
Thanks seb and idunno. There's this as well:

Quote from: Mark Brown @markdeanbrownReplying to @theangelremiel, @drunpleasant and @BNHWalker

You're right about 2019. I deeply regret anything I did to enable Tories. If I had been elected I would have resigned. But I wasn't and my opponent brought me into Labour where I'm campaigning to get Labour back in power.

2:35 pm · 14 Apr 2022

https://twitter.com/markdeanbrown/status/1514598166984740868

My god, what an absolute throbber. As someone else in that thread pointed out, who's going to vote for the guy who claims he stood as an MP for the wrong party by mistake?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 15, 2022, 02:46:20 PM
And how is this even allowed under the Labour party rules, which, if you remember, don't allow members to publicly state they previously supported another organisation, such as the Foo Fighters?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on April 15, 2022, 03:03:23 PM
QuoteReplying to @theangelremiel, @drunpleasant and @BNHWalker

You're right about 2019. I deeply regret anything I did to enable Tories. If I had been elected I would have resigned. But I wasn't and my opponent brought me into Labour where I'm campaigning to get Labour myself back in power.

2:35 pm · 14 Apr 2022
Title: Choked to death on someone else's vomit
Post by: Buelligan on April 15, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 15, 2022, 02:46:20 PMAnd how is this even allowed under the Labour party rules, which, if you remember, don't allow members to publicly state they previously supported another organisation, such as the Foo Fighters?

Heheh.  Because nothing matters any more Johnny.  Reality is what you make of it.

Apparently Taylor Hawkins is planning a comeback tour.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 15, 2022, 08:01:22 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 15, 2022, 11:41:47 AMHe subsequently has a bit of a meltdown defending himself against accounts called DOG_LOVER69...

Say what you like about Ian Austin, he has disturbingly edgy sense of humour.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 16, 2022, 12:09:04 AM
This is worth a watch:

Something Sinister is Happening in the Labour Party | Aaron Bastani meets Len McCluskey | Downstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_y5cIZsr1g

Posters who were talking about Miliband upthread might be interested in this bit: https://youtu.be/W_y5cIZsr1g?t=1542

Anyone who is still kicking themselves for voting for Tom Watson to be deputy leader might feel better after watching this bit (although, as has been pointed out before, the alternatives were terrible): https://youtu.be/W_y5cIZsr1g?t=1835
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 16, 2022, 08:50:05 AM
I am about to watch that now, really been looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 17, 2022, 08:31:22 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 16, 2022, 12:09:04 AMThis is worth a watch:

Something Sinister is Happening in the Labour Party | Aaron Bastani meets Len McCluskey | Downstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_y5cIZsr1g

Posters who were talking about Miliband upthread might be interested in this bit: https://youtu.be/W_y5cIZsr1g?t=1542

Anyone who is still kicking themselves for voting for Tom Watson to be deputy leader might feel better after watching this bit (although, as has been pointed out before, the alternatives were terrible): https://youtu.be/W_y5cIZsr1g?t=1835

God he talks slowly. I've never used the increase speed function but I'm tempted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 17, 2022, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 17, 2022, 08:31:22 PMGod he talks slowly. I've never used the increase speed function but I'm tempted.

I guess if that's your only criticism, he must be pretty sound. And if you're in a rush, there's no kudos to be gained by only using 1x speed. No munchkinisation either. Knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 17, 2022, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 17, 2022, 08:31:22 PMGod he talks slowly. I've never used the increase speed function but I'm tempted.

... What?! It's a considered man talking at normal pace.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 17, 2022, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: shoulders on April 17, 2022, 08:43:01 PM... What?! It's a considered man talking at normal pace.

Really? That's good to know. I've been trying to teach myself to speak more slowly lately and I'm self conscious that I'll be too slow. Probably why I was so aware of it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 17, 2022, 08:52:57 PM
You've been listening to too much hyperpop ;-) I can relate. Thrash jazz and picopop did the same thing to me.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 18, 2022, 05:14:29 PM
Labour's latest campaiging idea for the local elections: https://twitter.com/JoeCoxEastLDN/status/1516047839738085381

Quote@JoeCoxEastLDN
Given were in the middle of a household debt crisis I sincerely hope Labour aren't posting envelopes through people's doors with 'final demand' stamped on them 🙄

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQoVQ7SXwAIZbGc?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 18, 2022, 05:39:11 PM
Why don't they just send everyone a turd with Keith's face on it and a can of Shinola?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 18, 2022, 05:47:29 PM
FUCK me

just zero empathy displayed at all times

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: wrec on April 18, 2022, 07:23:18 PM
Lengthy review of Oliver Eagleton's new book on Keef

https://drb.ie/articles/newest-labour/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on April 18, 2022, 09:11:03 PM
Strewth! There's someone that likes to use lots of words. Some quite good points made, if you can get through the words.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 18, 2022, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 16, 2022, 12:09:04 AMThis is worth a watch:

Something Sinister is Happening in the Labour Party | Aaron Bastani meets Len McCluskey | Downstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_y5cIZsr1g

Posters who were talking about Miliband upthread might be interested in this bit: https://youtu.be/W_y5cIZsr1g?t=1542

Anyone who is still kicking themselves for voting for Tom Watson to be deputy leader might feel better after watching this bit (although, as has been pointed out before, the alternatives were terrible): https://youtu.be/W_y5cIZsr1g?t=1835

Mainly good. But some big reservations.

For someone who is such a self-confessed sibyl, I find it odd that McCluskey doesn't take the opportunity to do a bigger shit on Rayner. She so very clearly deserves it. People here will remember the evidence. Indeed, all the criticisms of Miliband would surely apply equally to her. He should say it, since it's: a) obvious; b) central to the tenet of the judicious use of political nous that he advances.

Furthermore: why do the pair of them—McCluskey and Bastani—refuse to mention the words 'Sharon Graham', despite talking about the gains that Unite has recently been making. Does it not occur to them that erasing the name of the current female leader of McCluskey's union might reasonably be characterised as patriarchal?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 18, 2022, 11:16:38 PM
As Bastani said on twitter (when someone challenged him for not mentioning antisemitsm) the interview lasted 3 hours but was edited down to 90 minutes
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 19, 2022, 12:11:23 AM
In that case, it is odd that nothing about Sharon Graham made the edit. In an interview discussing political fuck-ups, you'd think that the nearly catastrophic fuck-up of the Unite leadership election would have been mentioned.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 19, 2022, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: pancreas on April 18, 2022, 10:50:59 PMMainly good. But some big reservations.

For someone who is such a self-confessed sibyl, I find it odd that McCluskey doesn't take the opportunity to do a bigger shit on Rayner. She so very clearly deserves it. People here will remember the evidence. Indeed, all the criticisms of Miliband would surely apply equally to her. He should say it, since it's: a) obvious; b) central to the tenet of the judicious use of political nous that he advances.

Furthermore: why do the pair of them—McCluskey and Bastani—refuse to mention the words 'Sharon Graham', despite talking about the gains that Unite has recently been making. Does it not occur to them that erasing the name of the current female leader of McCluskey's union might reasonably be characterised as patriarchal?

Completely agree about Rayner - I think she's quite protected, I understand that her strength is her network of supporters in the unions.  I think he thinks she's still got political life in her so he's stepping back - I think he's wrong.  She may have life left but it's not a life that serves the people.  She needs to go.

One thing I took from the conversation is that Len's a pragmatist, when he was asked about his initial approach to Starmer (before Starmer's election as leader), McCluskey said that, it was amicable, cordial, he knew Starmer was going to win (so wanted to keep on his right side).  I think that's somewhat his approach to Rayner. Somewhat understandable, UNITE works or worked in partnership with the Labour Party and they didn't want a split.

Which leads on to Graham.  I think Corbyn, McDonnell, McCluskey, all probably see the strength of the Left as partially reliant on the strength of the bond between unions and Labour.  Pretty old school.   Because of that, I believe they would have probably preferred a continuity candidate who saw the relationship similarly. 

I honestly think Labour has been parasitised by red tories (so whether or not we're stronger together doesn't matter, because there is nothing coming from zombie Labour).  I don't think it's saveable.  Continuing to try just expends more Leftist energy that would be better given to something that works.  I think the unions and the Left need to find another way and I think people like Graham probably sees it like that too.  That's not a very popular idea with people still wedded to the Dream of Labour.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 19, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 18, 2022, 05:14:29 PMLabour's latest campaiging idea for the local elections: https://twitter.com/JoeCoxEastLDN/status/1516047839738085381

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQoVQ7SXwAIZbGc?format=jpg&name=large)
labour posting cringe
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 19, 2022, 11:24:32 AM
Great way to get working people to campaign for you during a cost-of-living crisis: charge money for the materials.

They're fucking hopeless.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 20, 2022, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: Paul Calf on April 19, 2022, 11:24:32 AMGreat way to get working people to campaign for you during a cost-of-living crisis: charge money for the materials.

They're fucking hopeless.

I'm not 100% but I think that's the cost to the local party rather than individual activists.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 20, 2022, 10:58:14 AM
Yeah i assume the CLP budget will buy them directly from the party, in the same way they could use their budget to print their own.

Lmao more of this Balls rubbish from this clown show

https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1516673734375100419

BIG BEAST FACTOR

BIG BRAIN

*concave skull wojack*
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 20, 2022, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 20, 2022, 10:58:14 AMYeah i assume the CLP budget will buy them directly from the party, in the same way they could use their budget to print their own.

Labour, comfortable with internal markets.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 20, 2022, 11:41:38 AM
3p for each leaflet in an envelope is pretty good economy of scale too
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 21, 2022, 07:15:07 AM
Maybe they think Ed Balls is Labour's Johnson*. A shameless individual who has attained a public persona through TV appearances showing he 'mucks in' and 'loves a laugh' and 'isn't up himself'... which they hope will cut through to an uneducated and apolitical reactionary public.


*is he an enormous prick?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 21, 2022, 08:12:01 AM
Didn't Alan 'Brexit' Johnson also go on some Saturday night entertainment telly thing? Maybe they can parachute him in.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 21, 2022, 08:14:19 AM
Diane Abbott's been on TV a lot, but then she's left wing so Starmer probably hates her.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on April 21, 2022, 08:35:03 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 21, 2022, 08:12:01 AMDidn't Alan 'Brexit' Johnson also go on some Saturday night entertainment telly thing? Maybe they can parachute him in.


Nice fella is Postman Pat. There was that story, probably in this thread, about Clive Lewis saying hello to him and Johnson telling him to fuck off and take his Trot mates with him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 21, 2022, 12:37:52 PM
Lovely, lovely stuff.

(https://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/278328018_855120008777987_7165253108769184302_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=bhPk3paZWigAX-0yk5j&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=03_AVL57de1b_eDAFsXYFmTV8A7PWmbojkcbrPr86nR1ZaptQ&oe=6286450D)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 21, 2022, 01:43:39 PM
They're utterly terrified by Corbyn. They're terrified by us.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
I've never encountered someone being the landlord of other people heads before. Corbyn has quite a portfolio.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 21, 2022, 01:53:28 PM
Streeting comes out as pro-violence towards children.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1517106403080609792
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 02:03:47 PM
Wes Beating
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 21, 2022, 02:07:45 PM
Quote"As a child who was smacked by their parents from time to time, I don't think it did me any harm."

Well I don't know, he's now Wes Streeting.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 21, 2022, 02:10:12 PM
Does he do any MP work? He's always on right-wing media saying Tory stuff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 21, 2022, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 01:50:44 PMI've never encountered someone being the landlord of other people heads before. Corbyn has quite a portfolio.

(https://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/277926563_1116345105875403_6055064477353007358_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=BmSU7JzzLckAX_arKdZ&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=03_AVIIp-AXmREYGONYKABErJeYWXpKF8tov2ULOFTv5o4boQ&oe=62885DDF)

I'd never heard of this bloke. Turns out he produced Fantasy Football League!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 21, 2022, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 21, 2022, 01:53:28 PMStreeting comes out as pro-violence towards children.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1517106403080609792

It sounds churlish to say 'bullied the wrong amount' but the PLP seems to be full of people who suffered  bullying/abuse that was mild enough for them to overcome and now believe every version of it is like theirs, it explains why they are like they are though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 21, 2022, 02:53:28 PM
As a child that was beaten by her parents and teachers, regularly and without restraint, I can say I hope anyone who advocates beating children is first and always in line to be beaten.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 21, 2022, 03:18:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ35X-yVUAE2SQq?format=jpg&name=small)

Via https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackXList/status/1517142842258296835
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: jobotic on April 21, 2022, 02:11:59 PM(https://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/277926563_1116345105875403_6055064477353007358_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=BmSU7JzzLckAX_arKdZ&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=03_AVIIp-AXmREYGONYKABErJeYWXpKF8tov2ULOFTv5o4boQ&oe=62885DDF)

I'd never heard of this bloke. Turns out he produced Fantasy Football League!

Turns out he wishes he'd punched Corbyn in the face when the 72 year old allotment guy was a child.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 21, 2022, 03:18:45 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ35X-yVUAE2SQq?format=jpg&name=small)

Via https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackXList/status/1517142842258296835

Amazing
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 21, 2022, 04:02:12 PM
Counterpoint: Wes Streeting wasnt beaten enough
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 21, 2022, 08:12:01 AMDidn't Alan 'Brexit' Johnson also go on some Saturday night entertainment telly thing? Maybe they can parachute him in.

It was The Masked Singer. Johnson's appearance was bizarre but this is even more so

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1516945903327891460?s=20&t=v2k8zBcuSouw5arXG8rNYQ
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 04:14:18 PMIt was The Masked Singer. Johnson's appearance was bizarre but this is even more so

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1516945903327891460?s=20&t=v2k8zBcuSouw5arXG8rNYQ

Holy fucking shit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 05:21:08 PMHoly fucking shit.

Yep! Respect to Ken Jeong for walking off though. Rudi is a monumental scumbag and he shouldn't be able to rehabilitate his image like this.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 05:24:23 PMYep! Respect to Ken Jeong for walking off though. Rudi is a monumental scumbag and he shouldn't be able to rehabilitate his image like this.

The choice of song suggests he's not even bothered about rehabilitating his image. It's more 'What you gonna do about it, prolescum?' posturing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on April 21, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 03:20:08 PMAmazing

Well you shouldn't strike workers either, I don't think they've thought it through
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on April 21, 2022, 05:53:16 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 05:21:08 PMHoly fucking shit.

I don't think proud Brits should let this take away from the utter shameless vileness that is our own English Alan Johnson.  Say what you like, the UK can produce world class cunts with the best.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 05:27:06 PMThe choice of song suggests he's not even bothered about rehabilitating his image. It's more 'What you gonna do about it, prolescum?' posturing.

I took that as an ironic panto villain thing. The interview is genuinely sickening. Had to switch it off

https://twitter.com/andrumarino/status/1516946378261504000?s=20
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 21, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 06:09:34 PMI took that as an ironic panto villain thing. The interview is genuinely sickening. Had to switch it off

https://twitter.com/andrumarino/status/1516946378261504000?s=20

Bleurgh! I see what you mean. Good man, that Ken Jeong.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 21, 2022, 07:23:08 PM
American TV audiences will hoot and holler at literally fucking anything
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 21, 2022, 07:34:10 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 21, 2022, 06:09:34 PMI took that as an ironic panto villain thing. The interview is genuinely sickening. Had to switch it off

https://twitter.com/andrumarino/status/1516946378261504000?s=20

He's under federal investigation for attempting to subvert a democratic election, but he's on prime time talking yukking it up and talking about his granddaughter.

Fair play to Jeong but that's "Ratko Mladić on Strictly" levels of bonkers.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on April 21, 2022, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 21, 2022, 03:18:45 PMVia https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackXList/status/1517142842258296835

That reminds me:

(https://i.imgur.com/U5gWsHF.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on April 22, 2022, 01:44:18 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 21, 2022, 03:18:45 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ35X-yVUAE2SQq?format=jpg&name=small)

Via https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackXList/status/1517142842258296835

I like how his name comes up on screen aa 'West Streeting'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on April 22, 2022, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 21, 2022, 01:53:28 PMStreeting comes out as pro-violence towards children.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1517106403080609792

It makes me fucking livid when anyone reels out the "Never did me any harm" argument. Sure it didn't. It just turned you into the sort of person who advocates hitting children.

I don't see why it should be acceptable to do to a child what would be prosecutable as assault if you did it to an adult. It's just insane to suggest it's OK.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 22, 2022, 04:05:59 PM
Did his dad cuff him round the ear a few times when he misbehaved, or was he subjected to a regime of physical abuse by a supposed caregiver?

I mean, neither's acceptable, but you can't let the latter slip under the radar disguised as the former.  It's not impossible that one turns into the other.

It's just something that anyone with any empathy should MAYBE BE CAREFUL TALKING ABOUT.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 22, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on April 22, 2022, 04:05:59 PMDid his dad cuff him round the ear a few times when he misbehaved, or was he subjected to a regime of physical abuse by a supposed caregiver?

I mean, neither's acceptable, but you can't let the latter slip under the radar disguised as the former.  It's not impossible that one turns into the other.

It's just something that anyone with any empathy should MAYBE BE CAREFUL TALKING ABOUT.

I saw some tweet from someone claiming to be adjacent to him when he was in the NUS and he claimed his parents let him run riot. But didn't bother posting it as I couldn't tell if it was a shitpost or not.

Naturally I can't find the bastard now, so you'll have to make do with what I found while looking instead:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKDgOedXoAEV6Is?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 22, 2022, 05:43:49 PM
WHO WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IT????

QuoteStarmer's car industry funding revealed as he backs action on oil protests

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/keir-starmers-donations-car-industry-motoring-revealed-oil-protests/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 22, 2022, 06:00:33 PM
Troilateral Cemmissions
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 22, 2022, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 22, 2022, 05:43:49 PMWHO WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IT????

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/keir-starmers-donations-car-industry-motoring-revealed-oil-protests/

I bet this won't stop centrists pretending that the Green New Deal isn't going to amount to nothing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 23, 2022, 08:42:54 AM
I forgot they'd retweeted The Sun.

https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/1513545879181004800?s=21&t=59NBK0nXDqeXqb1ApD3rdA
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 23, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
Bloody exo warriors!!!! Drive a bulldozer into that Swampy cunt 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 23, 2022, 02:14:51 PM
Motor industry plying him with booze and getting him to run over cyclists.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2022, 02:40:42 PM
QuoteToday is Stephen Lawrence Day; a day to mark a young life brutally taken in a racist attack and to honour a legacy of change.

For 29 years Stephen's mother
@DLawrenceOBE
 has fought for justice.

We will continue to fight for a society that treats everyone with respect.

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1517405343784923136

Starmer there reminding everyone he was the DPP and bought Stephen Lawrence's killers to justice. Of course they've gone out of their way to not mention the institutional racism of the police and their failings once, which was a MASSIVE part of the legacy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 23, 2022, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2022, 02:40:42 PMhttps://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1517405343784923136

Starmer there reminding everyone he was the DPP and bought Stephen Lawrence's killers to justice. Of course they've gone out of their way to not mention the institutional racism of the police and their failings once, which was a MASSIVE part of the legacy.

And not mentioning the police infiltration of the Lawrence campaign or Labour's abstentions on the Spycops bill, which will allow that kind of thing to happen again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-23025322

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Human_Intelligence_Sources_(Criminal_Conduct)_Act_2021#Passage_through_Parliament
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2022, 04:19:55 PM
ooh one of my pals is going to be on not andrew marr tomorrow, so's crobs.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: danwho9 on April 23, 2022, 06:52:11 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2022, 04:19:55 PMooh one of my pals is going to be on not andrew marr tomorrow, so's crobs.

You gotta love the hat of that bloke who presents it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 23, 2022, 08:09:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1517941497265639424

Fuck me.

QuoteWestminster voting intention:

LAB: 36% (-2)
CON: 34% (-)
LDEM: 10% (-)
GRN: 8% (+1)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 23, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Never gets less funny

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1517943609399590912?s=20&t=Z-dR5d-eezQ4dlLdQMeaHQ

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 23, 2022, 10:48:33 PM
fucking hell lmao this like Gove and Emma Kennedy redux

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1517922724148133890

not a tankie. but an awful grifter
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2022, 11:40:11 PM
yeah she's a pretty nasty gobshite.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on April 24, 2022, 12:10:03 AM
Oh it's that chin woman who always does the voice.

I had no idea she was real.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 24, 2022, 12:12:18 AM
No need to go after a woman's looks.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 24, 2022, 12:35:10 AM
Well this is grim (tomorrow's Mail on Sunday apparently)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRDrlhVXMAY91_A?format=jpg&name=small)


https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1517972108755836929
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on April 24, 2022, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 24, 2022, 12:12:18 AMNo need to go after a woman's looks.

If it didn't routinely double is size as the face tracking glitches in and out I'd probably know her as something else.

Besides, I like the 1950s pilot look.

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 24, 2022, 12:35:10 AMhttps://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1517972108755836929

Stab him with an ice pick?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 24, 2022, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 24, 2022, 12:35:10 AMWell this is grim (tomorrow's Mail on Sunday apparently)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRDrlhVXMAY91_A?format=jpg&name=small)


https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1517972108755836929

Seems like the entire world is united against this. Many right wing journalists have condemned it and even Johnson just called it misogynistic on Twitter.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 24, 2022, 11:32:49 AM
But his bloody MPs briefed the Mail on it!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on April 24, 2022, 11:32:49 AMBut his bloody MPs briefed the Mail on it!

Don't call them tory scum, though, for it while hurt their feelings.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 24, 2022, 04:33:47 PM
Oh fuck me, this is HIALRIOUS. Tonty stabbing Kieth right in the front.

https://twitter.com/SolHughesWriter/status/1518244208968183808

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRHjDBIXsAAWwC3?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 24, 2022, 04:49:12 PM
Oh my.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 24, 2022, 04:49:59 PM
Nothing says "hopeful politics" like the warmed-over corpse of blairism.

Read the room mate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on April 24, 2022, 04:52:17 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 24, 2022, 04:33:47 PMfailure to win over disaffected tory voters.

What is it in these freaks that makes them want this so badly - and indeed in this particular case all the other stuff that goes along with being Tony Blair - but not want to join the Tories?

Is it just shame and tension with their own self-image?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 24, 2022, 05:07:36 PM
The Britain Project sounds a bit like the Brittas Empire.

Looking at who is involved it is all establishment figures. The new Independent Group for Change?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 24, 2022, 04:33:47 PMOh fuck me, this is HIALRIOUS. Tonty stabbing Kieth right in the front.

https://twitter.com/SolHughesWriter/status/1518244208968183808

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRHjDBIXsAAWwC3?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I don't want to piss on your chips but 'hilarious' isn't my reaction to this. Deso, maybe. Bleak. Looking at the state of French politics, frightening.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 05:45:15 PM
Good point well made:

Quote from: vob @voblatReplying to @SolHughesWriter

One of those people is writing blairs speeches, and two of them are members of the Labour paty (phillips and blair'.

Oddly, no rush to expel them for it from the starmer crew, who are currently expelling left wing Jews for giving interviews to media.

4:39 pm · 24 Apr 2022

https://twitter.com/voblat/status/1518253270795534336
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 24, 2022, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 05:41:32 PMI don't want to piss on your chips but 'hilarious' isn't my reaction to this. Deso, maybe. Bleak. Looking at the state of French politics, frightening.

That too.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Key on April 24, 2022, 07:12:11 PM
Project Britain... for people that think radical centrism isn't an absurd oxymoron.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 24, 2022, 08:16:31 PM
"Project Britain" sounds like a failed reality tv show from 2002
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 24, 2022, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: Key on April 24, 2022, 07:12:11 PMProject Britain... for people that think radical centrism isn't an absurd oxymoron.

I wish it was just an oxymoron, perhaps 'fundamental centrism' is more correct.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 24, 2022, 08:18:16 PMI wish it was just an oxymoron, perhaps 'fundamental centrism' is more correct.

Fundamentalist neoliberalism.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 24, 2022, 11:39:17 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 11:37:09 PMFundamentalist neoliberalism.

yes... 'aggro-centre' is another one I've seen used, I like the brevity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 24, 2022, 11:49:43 PM
Extreme centrism, was David Graeber's term.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 25, 2022, 07:59:11 AM
The Party for Moderate Progress Within The Bounds of The Law
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 25, 2022, 08:06:18 AM
I imagine most of the Britain Project people were big fans of the Coalition Government.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on April 25, 2022, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on April 24, 2022, 05:41:32 PMI don't want to piss on your chips but 'hilarious' isn't my reaction to this. Deso, maybe. Bleak. Looking at the state of French politics, frightening.

I doubt much will come of it. He's just a bored old rich man wishing he was still relevant.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 25, 2022, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: shoulders on April 25, 2022, 07:59:11 AMThe Party for Moderate Progress Within The Bounds of The Law

A shaved Starmer would make a really good Svejk lookalike.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: drummersaredeaf on April 25, 2022, 10:27:36 AM
https://www.instagram.com/ratingstarmershair/

Fear this is in the earnest vein of Milifandom rather than shitposting. 5/10
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 25, 2022, 10:28:19 AM
The most amazing thing about the misogynist article aimed at Rayner is that it is less offensive than Matt Fforde's "my big Labour tits" portrayal of Jess Phillips.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 25, 2022, 10:35:35 AM
Good Tory Rory, Philip "Tonty's larynx" Collins and Trevor "I'm black so I'm allowed to be racist against Muslims" Phillips!?!?!? What a dream team!!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 25, 2022, 10:43:19 AM
No remaining doubt that New Labour's repeated use of radical agenda only applied to internal reform of the Labour Party.

Have they come up with a single idea since losing power that couldn't easily have been thought up by one wing or other of the Tories? A serious, non-rhetorical question.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 25, 2022, 10:57:25 AM
Thoroughly decent chaps

(https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/278675673_757941898901189_222651006377214786_n.png?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=MSTRIP7kW18AX9I4sTa&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=03_AVK1C9TG9QgQu7YJ-l4QWzp3N9tGkUkLvZj9r5dRdluNvw&oe=628DAB30)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 25, 2022, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: jobotic on April 25, 2022, 10:28:19 AMThe most amazing thing about the misogynist article aimed at Rayner is that it is less offensive than Matt Fforde's "my big Labour tits" portrayal of Jess Phillips.

I don't think it is because one's a (shit misogynistic) parody and the other's a real-life accusation aimed at someone.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 25, 2022, 01:07:55 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 25, 2022, 11:09:39 AMI don't think it is because one's a (shit misogynistic) parody and the other's a real-life accusation aimed at someone.

Agreed. This is a Mail on Sunday article, not a Sunday Sport one.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 25, 2022, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: pigamus on April 25, 2022, 08:22:23 AMI doubt much will come of it. He's just a bored old rich man wishing he was still relevant.

I think it will be significant in dragging our politics further to the right.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 25, 2022, 07:32:27 PM
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-says-she-is-pleased-jeremy-corbyn-is-not-prime-minister-3667288

You heard it from the horses mouth. Not wanting the Labour leader to become prime minister is good actually. A position to bear in mind come the next election.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 25, 2022, 09:58:49 PM
imagine being proud of saying that
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 25, 2022, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 25, 2022, 07:32:27 PMhttps://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-says-she-is-pleased-jeremy-corbyn-is-not-prime-minister-3667288

You heard it from the horses mouth. Not wanting the Labour leader to become prime minister is good actually. A position to bear in mind come the next election.

Why won't the loony left compromise and pragmatically support the leader we have, not the leader they want
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on April 26, 2022, 12:34:43 AM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 25, 2022, 07:32:27 PMYou heard it from the horses mouth.
The Hard Left shows its filthy misogyny again. Why do you hate women? Especially obedient neo-liberal economics women like Rachael Reeves? We See You.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on April 25, 2022, 07:32:27 PMhttps://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-says-she-is-pleased-jeremy-corbyn-is-not-prime-minister-3667288

You heard it from the horses mouth. Not wanting the Labour leader to become prime minister is good actually. A position to bear in mind come the next election.

I posted this recently but I saw her in person saying the exact opposite to a group of enthusiastic Labour converts at Brudenell Social Club in 2018.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 26, 2022, 08:01:09 AM
Can't be arsed to find and necro the NIP thread so I'll put this here:

https://twitter.com/TracyAnnO/status/1518832390000549888

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP6AkVXMAIC05q?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 08:09:19 AM
Wasted 10 minutes on this:

QuoteDear Rachel Reeves,

I am a fully paid up Labour member and read the following article where you were quoted.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-says-she-is-pleased-jeremy-corbyn-is-not-prime-minister-3667288

This reminded me of your appearance at Brudenell Social Club with Angela Rayner in 2018 where you informed an enthusiastic crowd of Labour members that 'we' (meaning everyone in the room, including you) wanted Labour in power, adding, "with Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister". I along with hundreds of others were in that room at the time.

They may have noticed, as I have, that these two points of view, both expressed by you, are incompatible. Which of the two represents your point of view, and were you lying to the crowd you addressed at that meeting? I ask this question as you were on record as campaigning for the resignation of Jeremy Corbyn during the period widely referred to (humiliatingly, now even by its instigators) as the 'chicken coup'.

I also note that recently you expressed your view in the media it was a good thing that Labour membership numbers are rapidly declining under the current regime as in your view many members 'did not share Labour values'.

In regards to that, I am unsure how you think you possess the knowledge to make that claim given Labour's membership losses run to hundreds of thousands of people? How do you know each of those people do not share Labour values? Secondly, how do you expect Labour to be in a fiscal position to campaign effectively when your regime, (seemingly purposefully, as your own expressed point alludes to) alienates subscribers along with many affiliated Unions?

The path taken by the current leadership, of which you are a senior member, makes us less equipped to 'fight the Tories' (as we are constantly reminded we have to do) as you are giving ordinary people less and less reason to invest their own time and money into the Labour cause, most damaging of all burning the goodwill and allegiance of a generation of young people who would have been Labour's champions  for decades to come, not to mention providing Labour with the ideas and intellect to refresh and renew the party in the future.

Please explain:

1) Whether or not you were lying to the crowd you addressed in 2018?
2) How an exodus of young members, or an exodus of financial supporters or an exodus of grassroots campaigners can possibly assist Labour regaining power?

Yours sincerely,
Ploppy, son of Ploppy
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 26, 2022, 08:11:26 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 26, 2022, 08:01:09 AMCan't be arsed to find and necro the NIP thread so I'll put this here:

https://twitter.com/TracyAnnO/status/1518832390000549888

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP6AkVXMAIC05q?format=jpg&name=900x900)

QuoteWho can reply?
People @TracyAnnO mentioned can reply
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 08:18:46 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 26, 2022, 08:01:09 AMCan't be arsed to find and necro the NIP thread so I'll put this here:

https://twitter.com/TracyAnnO/status/1518832390000549888

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP6AkVXMAIC05q?format=jpg&name=900x900)

A crying laughing emoji would be an indulgence...

But hey...

😅
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 26, 2022, 09:46:57 AM
She also smeared Corbyn with her tweet but that's apparently acceptable

Quote"So a man called @PhilipProudfoot of @FreeNorthNow has a Jew block list. I've been out of the twitter politics loop for a few months but is this party continuation Corbyn? Seems like it. And will it end up the same way? Seems like it. Good luck all."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 26, 2022, 10:47:52 AM
Quote(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRQslBOXwAIsXVY?format=jpg&name=small)

There's no way these two never fucked. Their chemistry is electric.

She'd feel his rod pulsate inside her, and he would beg to release. Not yet: Mummy knows best.

The anticipation brings him further to arrival, and his thick seed fills her through, gushing onto his sack.

https://twitter.com/Women4Wes/status/1518887992068390912

Amazed this account is still successfully evading the bans.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 26, 2022, 12:26:27 PM
The replies about the finger made me snort.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 01:16:56 PM
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/04/25/andy-burnham-we-need-a-complete-rewiring-of-britains-political-system/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: danwho9 on April 26, 2022, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 01:16:56 PMhttps://bylinetimes.com/2022/04/25/andy-burnham-we-need-a-complete-rewiring-of-britains-political-system/

I like to think everything Burnham does now is all built on post-New Labour guilt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on April 26, 2022, 01:57:00 PM
Probably just pissed off that he wasn't able to challenge Starmer for the leadership. Whether he'd've been pushing as hard for anything if he was leader is another thing but the complete absense of ideas coming from Starmer's camp must be wildly annoying if you felt like you could position yourself in the same space and have loads.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 03:11:19 PM
Quote from: danwho9 on April 26, 2022, 01:52:38 PMI like to think everything Burnham does now is all built on post-New Labour guilt.

Possibly, and I think he has already shown he is weak when confronted with the true power in the country, but he has also seen what Corbyn did and gone 'I want a bit of that'.

Full public ownership of railways and meaningful constitutional reform, I wouldn't sniff at that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on April 26, 2022, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 08:09:19 AMWasted 10 minutes on this:


At least you've used your real name now. That fake one you had earlier was shit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 04:39:49 PM
Pretty sure it's known on here anyway, but I got a PM suggesting I remove it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 26, 2022, 04:46:36 PM
Her tweets (https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=From%3A%40RachelReevesMP%20corbyn&src=typed_query&f=live) mentioning Corbyn during his term as LOTO are largely positive
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Action Fish on April 26, 2022, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 26, 2022, 08:01:09 AMCan't be arsed to find and necro the NIP thread so I'll put this here:

https://twitter.com/TracyAnnO/status/1518832390000549888

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP6AkVXMAIC05q?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Hmph:
https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1518840100150460416?s=20&t=4bxvSsnjmRLv759gXrvMVg

Most commenters seem to assume he's referring to Elon Musk stans. I don't believe he is. It's a shame about Jay. I like to think he is, at heart, a good egg but he's got a real blind spot when it comes to this nonsense.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 26, 2022, 05:42:54 PM
Luvvies Assemble
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on April 26, 2022, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: Action Fish on April 26, 2022, 05:40:04 PMHmph:
https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1518840100150460416?s=20&t=4bxvSsnjmRLv759gXrvMVg

Most commenters seem to assume he's referring to Elon Musk stans. I don't believe he is. It's a shame about Jay. I like to think he is, at heart, a good egg but he's got a real blind spot when it comes to this nonsense.

Preach.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 27, 2022, 08:02:47 AM
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/04/26/oberman-apologises-pays-damages-for-smear-vs-proudfoot-exaggeration-of-a-s-claims-is-legal-fact-mr-starmer/

Skwawkbox points out how these recent legal defeats by Israel lobbyists undermine the argument used by Starmer to remove Corbyn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 27, 2022, 08:28:01 AM
'Undermining arguments' isn't a thing people worry about any more though, is it? I mean, if the integrity and force of an argument was something anyone cared about, Corbyn would still be Labour Leader and possibly PM.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 27, 2022, 08:50:54 AM
No, it isn't going to be the thing that gets Corbyn reinstated.

All the same, events like this help break through the alternative realities people exist in when they are consuming information only within a particular ecosystem.

I see the individual is already trying to rolling back on her apology by referring to 'knowing her own truth'. Alternative facts eh hun
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 27, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
I saw that too. I am not a lawyer, but isn't that pretty much repeating the libel?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: danwho9 on April 27, 2022, 11:04:18 AM
Quote from: Action Fish on April 26, 2022, 05:40:04 PMIt's a shame about Jay.




Lemonheads consider rewrite
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 27, 2022, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Action Fish on April 26, 2022, 05:40:04 PMHmph:
https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1518840100150460416?s=20&t=4bxvSsnjmRLv759gXrvMVg

Most commenters seem to assume he's referring to Elon Musk stans. I don't believe he is. It's a shame about Jay. I like to think he is, at heart, a good egg but he's got a real blind spot when it comes to this nonsense.

Yeah, he got fooled by the Twitter Block Chain before, along with Rebecca Front and others who really should know better.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on April 28, 2022, 08:18:53 AM
Alastair Campbell has written an open letter in the Liverpool Echo for Klopp to get into politics. "Our country needs you". Glad the adults are back in the room
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on April 28, 2022, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on April 28, 2022, 08:18:53 AMAlastair Campbell has written an open letter in the Liverpool Echo for Klopp to get into politics. "Our country needs you". Glad the adults are back in the room

He wrote it in the New European, but it's been extensively quoted in the Echo. (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alastair-campbell-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-23798811.amp) It is a laughably shit bit of writing, proper 70-year-old in neighbourhood Facebook group stuff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 28, 2022, 08:39:44 AM
nm you fixed it
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on April 28, 2022, 08:42:00 AM
My link's not fucked mate, you're fucked.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 08:59:56 AM
'Please Mr Klopp, fabricate some evidence, drive your critics to suicide, destroy the lives of countless millions of brown people, and facilitate the rise of ISIS and Putin. I beg you, Mr Klopp.'

Fuck me, I hate Campbell. Fucking cunt. Fucking war criminal cunt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on April 28, 2022, 09:04:56 AM
The irony is that Klopp is probably the premier league manager most likely to vote for Corbyn I would imagine
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 28, 2022, 09:30:44 AM
QuoteFor the 4th time the Lords voted to force the UK govt to comply with the Refugee Convention. The vote was lost by 212-157. Labour abstained. I voted against the Party whip.
There can be no exceptions to the rule of law.
Today, the govt abuses refugees, tomorrow it is you/me.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1519375023718514688

cunts
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 28, 2022, 10:20:56 AM
Labour whipped people to abstain on voting for the government to comply with the Refugee Convention?

What was the thinking, that letting the bill pass would get a few votes from bigots so lets make it easier for the government to treat desperate people badly?

Utterly disgusting. Glad I voted TUSC in the local elections.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 28, 2022, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: Bernice on April 28, 2022, 08:36:12 AMHe wrote it in the New European, but it's been extensively quoted in the Echo. (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alastair-campbell-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-23798811.amp) It is a laughably shit bit of writing, proper 70-year-old in neighbourhood Facebook group stuff.

QuoteYou understand why The Sun will never be welcome in Liverpool.

Why is this duplicitous piece of shit allowed anywhere near politics, let alone the Labour Party?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on April 28, 2022, 11:28:48 AM
Oh Jurgen Klopp you are very nice
So good at football you've won at least twice
I wish you would manage our country instead
You'd respect the law and our brave war dead
When Brexit happened for months we did weep
But Jurgen the German our hearts still does keep
With Boris a liar and wokeys so smelly
Why did I bother to kill David Kelly?
So jurgen please come and now save us all
Do to our politics what you've done for football
Save us from populism and scandal fatigue
And take lovely Britain into the Champions League!

- A. Campbell, 64 years old.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 28, 2022, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: Bernice on April 28, 2022, 11:28:48 AMOh Jurgen Klopp you are very nice
So good at football you've won at least twice
I wish you would manage our country instead
You'd respect the law and our brave war dead
When Brexit happened for months we did weep
But Jurgen the German our hearts still does keep
With Boris a liar and wokeys so smelly
Why did I bother to kill David Kelly?
So jurgen please come and now save us all
Do to our politics what you've done for football
Save us from populism and scandal fatigue
And take lovely Britain into the Champions League!

- A. Campbell, 64 years old.


 There's no way that'd get published in a local paper. It both rhymes and scans.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 12:28:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRbXB8hXIAU2jAQ?format=jpg&name=small)

Wow, thanks for telling me! I'm voting Lib Dem now, they sound cool!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on April 28, 2022, 12:39:35 PM
I'm not sure we should be using nukes to fight crime.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on April 28, 2022, 12:49:06 PM
Why would they still have punishments if these drugs are to be legalised.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 12:58:31 PM
Here's big Keith referencing a 25 year old song written by a racist.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1519623632925999104
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 28, 2022, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 12:28:56 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRbXB8hXIAU2jAQ?format=jpg&name=small)

Wow, thanks for telling me! I'm voting Lib Dem now, they sound cool!

I thought you could get purged for campaigning for other parties.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 28, 2022, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 28, 2022, 09:30:44 AMhttps://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1519375023718514688

cunts

Absolutely disgraceful.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on April 28, 2022, 01:46:07 PM
After sending round loads of campaign leaflets emphasising (falsely) that they're the only party that can beat the Tories (after winning no seats in 2018), the leader of the local Lib Dems is quoted in the local paper as saying they don't expect to win. So the "only party that can beat the Tories" admits they don't think they're going to beat the Tories. Difficult not to conclude, then, that their motivation for pushing that message so hard is to reduce the Labour vote and increase the likelihood of a Tory hold.

Also of possible relevance: the leader of the local Lib Dems is a Tory defector.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on April 28, 2022, 01:49:08 PM
At this point what proportion of the electorate even supports (let alone feels strongly about) maintaining the UK's cannabis laws as they currently stand? Surely it's a shrinking minority position by now rather than some animating battleground to centre your messaging on even cynically. I can imagine that poster provoking undecided voters to curiously check out the Lib Dem's manifesto more than anything else.

It's bad enough that Labour are so committed to stubbornly doubling down on any regressive, cruel and inhumane policy position they can get their hands on, but shit like this and their broader tough-on-crime posture just feels so bafflingly out of step with the actual current moment aside from anything else. These people talk a big game about re-establishing a connection with disaffected Tory voters or whatever but I don't think they actually have the slightest insight into the trends and currents of the modern reactionary mind. Half the time they're just warming up worn-out old talking points from the Blair era and going "Here. You people like this stuff, don't you."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on April 28, 2022, 01:55:50 PM
Also that refugee abstention is fucking abhorrent, obviously.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on April 28, 2022, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 12:58:31 PMHere's big Keith referencing a 25 year old song written by a racist.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1519623632925999104

Brunton Park? Cunt On Park more like.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on April 28, 2022, 02:57:19 PM
Is the abstention because the Lords have reached the point where they've sent the clauses back to the Commons enough times that now, by convention, they're supposed to give up?  Not that that wouldn't raise its own questions.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on April 28, 2022, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 12:28:56 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRbXB8hXIAU2jAQ?format=jpg&name=small)

Wow, thanks for telling me! I'm voting Lib Dem now, they sound cool!
That's untrue sadly, the Lib Dem conference voted (https://www.libdems.org.uk/conference-spring-17-f11-nuclear-weapons) to ditch Trident but keep a minimal nuclear deterrent. Jo Swinson was pro-nuking everybody (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jo-swinson-nuclear-weapon-button-war-lib-dems-election-debate-a9210456.html) but I can't find anything Ed Davey has said. The Lib Dems have generally supported legalizing cannabis and treating drugs as primarily a public health issue, but have been short of specifics even on things like safe injection facilities, and don't promise to legalize anything else.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 28, 2022, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on April 28, 2022, 03:22:09 PMThat's untrue sadly, the Lib Dem conference voted (https://www.libdems.org.uk/conference-spring-17-f11-nuclear-weapons) to ditch Trident but keep a minimal nuclear deterrent. Jo Swinson was pro-nuking everybody (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jo-swinson-nuclear-weapon-button-war-lib-dems-election-debate-a9210456.html) but I can't find anything Ed Davey has said. The Lib Dems have generally supported legalizing cannabis and treating drugs as primarily a public health issue, but have been short of specifics even on things like safe injection facilities, and don't promise to legalize anything else.

Labour lying again, eh? You just can't trust them on anything.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on April 28, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
Well, this isn't good. Three major steps towards the destruction of our democracy, voted through in the Lords because Labour couldn't be bothered to oppose them.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/04/28/fascism-is-advancing-rapidly/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 28, 2022, 03:50:59 PM
He might be a bit of a cock-end.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/30/corbyn-comments-a-change-to-my-moderation-policy/

"I'm left wing and want left-wing policy but anyone who supports the person who brought that closer to UK government than any time since Atlee is a culty cult cult. I do like that Owen Smith. Such a clever man..."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 28, 2022, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: olliebean on April 28, 2022, 03:38:49 PMWell, this isn't good. Three major steps towards the destruction of our democracy, voted through in the Lords because Labour couldn't be bothered to oppose them.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/04/28/fascism-is-advancing-rapidly/
Makes sense, but boy oh boy is the author not good at responding to criticism in the comments.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on April 29, 2022, 10:58:38 AM
https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2022/04/tell-us-who-you-really-are-keir-starmer

^On that Starmer book that came out recently.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 11:04:40 AM
When did the New Statesman start adding a cuntwall? Shows how much attention I've paid to them recently I suppose.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstatesman.com%2Fideas%2F2022%2F04%2Ftell-us-who-you-really-are-keir-starmer
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on April 29, 2022, 11:09:03 AM
I was amused to find out the bloke who wrote the Starmer book is Terry Eagleton's son.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on April 29, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 11:04:40 AMWhen did the New Statesman start adding a cuntwall? Shows how much attention I've paid to them recently I suppose.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstatesman.com%2Fideas%2F2022%2F04%2Ftell-us-who-you-really-are-keir-starmer

Its been centrist sh!te since Wilby stepped down as Editor, that was about when Brown became PM IIRC.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on April 29, 2022, 12:55:21 PM
"For his critics on the left, who perhaps naïvely believed Starmer's more radical promises during his leadership campaign"

How naive to think someone will do what they say they will do. And which of his promises were radical exactly? Keeping policies that had proved popular? Not purging the left?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on April 29, 2022, 12:55:21 PM"For his critics on the left, who perhaps naïvely believed Starmer's more radical promises during his leadership campaign"

How naive to think someone will do what they say they will do. And which of his promises were radical exactly? Keeping policies that had proved popular? Not purging the left?

I've actually seen big-brained centrists claim it's 'just politics' and to break all your promises and shouldn't be considered a big deal. Which leads me to believe they're idiots who genuinely think there's nothing concerning about voting for someone who you know to be lying because it's working out for you short-term, or more likely, they've correctly realised no broken promise will really affect them and they don't give a solitary shit about the people who will be affected.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on April 29, 2022, 01:31:31 PM
One has to ask what their reaction would have been if Corbyn did something he promised not to do.

Howls of outrage that shook the bowels of the Earth, I suspect.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 01:32:44 PM
Naturally.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on April 29, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Not a Centrist but pensioner-assaulter Iain Dale appeared on Owen Jones' podcast and did the exact same thing when Jones talked about Starmer breaking all of his pledges. It's "just politics" and "all politicians lie". The cheeky bastard even said Jones was "clutching his pearls" by bringing it up.
Imagine getting into journalism and broadcasting and not having any interest in politicians lying.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on April 29, 2022, 02:38:29 PM
I believe it is Right and Good when politicians lie.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on April 29, 2022, 03:01:28 PM
It's okay when we do it but you're very bad when we pretend that you do it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 03:10:24 PM
Quote from: jobotic on April 29, 2022, 03:01:28 PMIt's okay when we do it but you're very bad when we pretend that you do it.
Someone in Scotland tried to corner me with that. "How do you feel about Sturgeon not making the promised national energy company then? You still vote SNP don't you?".

I pointed out I thought all promise-breaking is shitty and disappointing. I also pointed out it wasn't a very good pledge to begin with if the national energy company was still subject to the British wholesale prices and third party transport, as it would only really be skipping over the shareholders we find in current private billing companies which is not enough and not what people mean when they say they want utilities nationalised. Apparently that was missing the point though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on April 29, 2022, 03:39:58 PM
Yeah, overlooking missed pledges is a lot easier to do when you know that those pledges were made in good faith. The problem with Starmer isn't that he broke all the pledges: it's that he never had any intention of honouring them at any time.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Kankurette on April 29, 2022, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: Bernice on April 28, 2022, 11:28:48 AMOh Jurgen Klopp you are very nice
So good at football you've won at least twice
I wish you would manage our country instead
You'd respect the law and our brave war dead
When Brexit happened for months we did weep
But Jurgen the German our hearts still does keep
With Boris a liar and wokeys so smelly
Why did I bother to kill David Kelly?
So jurgen please come and now save us all
Do to our politics what you've done for football
Save us from populism and scandal fatigue
And take lovely Britain into the Champions League!

- A. Campbell, 64 years old.

He's as cuddly as a kitten licking cream.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on April 30, 2022, 07:00:07 AM
Quote from: lipsink on April 29, 2022, 02:33:46 PMNot a Centrist but pensioner-assaulter Iain Dale appeared on Owen Jones' podcast and did the exact same thing when Jones talked about Starmer breaking all of his pledges. It's "just politics" and "all politicians lie". The cheeky bastard even said Jones was "clutching his pearls" by bringing it up.
Imagine getting into journalism and broadcasting and not having any interest in politicians lying.

I see he didn't bother correcting Mad Nad during his interview with her where she suggested Channel 5 was a great example of privatisation. Useless cunt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on April 30, 2022, 12:58:04 PM
Was it Dale or Jones the interview with Dorres was with?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on April 30, 2022, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on April 29, 2022, 03:39:58 PMYeah, overlooking missed pledges is a lot easier to do when you know that those pledges were made in good faith. The problem with Starmer isn't that he broke all the pledges: it's that he never had any intention of honouring them at any time.

the SNP's national energy company was not pledged in good faith though. it was an ill thought out last minute rabbit out of the hat trick to please conference delegates (similar to the Ferguson's ferry carry on).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on May 01, 2022, 04:38:56 AM
Haven't read the rest of the article but I see that it was written by Richard Seymour, who is definitely not a centrist. I suppose his point isn't "politicians need to lie, that's just politics" but more "what the hell else would the left expect from this Trilateral Commission prick?"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on May 01, 2022, 10:02:20 AM
He's back. (https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1520659285163794432)

Taking it on its own terms, the message is ... good? But surely it's a terrible choice to have Tony deliver it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on May 01, 2022, 10:21:44 AM
I know that I'm in a bubble, and that might massively distort my perception of the public's attitudes towards Blair - but there's also a lot of polling evidence for the last decade that diverse and (to me still, surprisingly) large part of the population think he's an untrustworthy git.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on May 01, 2022, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: Zetetic on May 01, 2022, 10:02:20 AMHe's back. (https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1520659285163794432)

Taking it on its own terms, the message is ... good? But surely it's a terrible choice to have Tony deliver it?

Wasn't Tony going to set up his own party just a month or two ago? Was this recorded a couple of years back? The wording, "Today we have a new leader" seems a bit odd, 2 years into Starmer's leadership.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 01, 2022, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: Zetetic on May 01, 2022, 10:02:20 AMHe's back. (https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1520659285163794432)

Taking it on its own terms, the message is ... good? But surely it's a terrible choice to have Tony deliver it?

Depends whose votes they want. Seems to me they're explicitly going after swing voters in more Southern marginals.

Nice though the nostalgia trip was, it felt like it evaporated on contact with all the other negative memories.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 01, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
It's surprising you don't see him defending his own domestic record more often. I think the thing about both him and Gordon Brown is they were always much more interested in international politics than the domestic stuff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 01, 2022, 11:33:48 AM
Unfortunately a lot of the much-needed investment was raised through accounting tricks like PFI, which makes as much sense economically as buying a house on a credit card. I am glad these investments were made, but I do wish they were made in a more sustainable way.

When you look deeper into the domestic policy, the sheen comes off pretty quickly, alas.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 01, 2022, 02:07:45 PM
Absolutely. But a lot of people have never even heard of PFI, they just know they were doing better in the nineties...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 01, 2022, 05:33:08 PM
I think people are peripherally aware that it is possible to magic up some cash without raising taxes. They probably don't realise that the APR is crippling.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on May 01, 2022, 08:21:13 PM
Quote from: greencalx on May 01, 2022, 05:33:08 PMI think people are peripherally aware that it is possible to magic up some cash without raising taxes. They probably don't realise that the APR is crippling.

What from the magic money tree?!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on May 01, 2022, 08:44:03 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 30, 2022, 12:58:04 PMWas it Dale or Jones the interview with Dorres was with?

Dorres was interviewed by Dale on LBC. Jones had Dale on his YouTube show last Sunday.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 01, 2022, 11:20:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRtH36-XwBQbDC9?format=jpg&name=small)

https://shop.labour.org.uk/category/1997

Feels like someone needs to flog the NME front cover and Tory devil eyes fridge magnets just to restore the balance in the universe.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 01, 2022, 11:56:07 PM
All that merch is so grim. How much do they make from it? Even if it's a million per year it's still not worth it
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 12:35:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRtU2OfXIAIlQL-?format=jpg&name=900x900)

https://twitter.com/StefGotBooted/status/1520902592481607681
ffs lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 02, 2022, 11:01:52 AM
They're really trying to push the spirit of '97. Just saw a Brown speech on my timeline...

Main differences: (i) there was a GE in '97; (ii) Labour were offering something new.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: greencalx on May 02, 2022, 11:01:52 AMThey're really trying to push the spirit of '97. Just saw a Brown speech on my timeline...

Main differences: (i) there was a GE in '97; (ii) Labour were offering something new.

They got boyed off by Tony saying he's toying with backing another party because Starmer is shit and now they're trying to win him back by kissing his ring.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 02, 2022, 11:25:35 AM
I think they genuinely believe 1997 was some kind of high water mark for civilisation, rather than how everyone else sees it, as momentary elation quickly replaced by disappointment and cynicism.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 02, 2022, 11:35:36 AM
I remember the high watermark of the nineties being the glorious summer of Euro 96, but then John Major was still in power so it doesn't fit the narrative does it
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 02, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
He was kind of a dead duck by that stage, it seemed inevitable Labour would win the next election whenever it was called. And of course Labour hadn't actually seized power by that stage so people could still believe change was coming, rather than when Labour actually gained power and showed that change was impossible, and even it were possible they would be far too trustworthy & sensible to ever pursue it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 02, 2022, 12:18:35 PM
Yeah. A photo pf a chimp would have beaten Major in 1997. Blair squandered an unimaginable amount of political capital and goodwill on a tent in Southeast London and some ruinously expensive private loans to build hospitals to replace ones that could have been more cheaply renovated.

Now the corrosive old shitbag thinks he has something to say to the generation ravaged by the neoliberal bullshit he chose to inflict on them. I wish he'd start his own party. That'd really bring home to him what a toxic waste of carbon he is.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 12:30:18 PM
It's pretty telling how much of a rift there is in appraisals of Blair between gen-x an millenials born about 10 years apart. I can only assume it's the difference of being 20ish and having either a view of hope/doors opening and then being there watching them shut in front of you.

For all the smug lectures from the gen-x camp about how revolutionary it was after a decade-plus of the tories, I can't say I've ever seen them try and see it from the other point of view, or acknowledge there might be an opposing vantage point, no people have simply got it wrong and they don't understand.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 02, 2022, 12:34:40 PM
I'm gen-x and I think Blair is a cunt. I don't know anyone of my generation whose excitement about the '97 Labour victory lasted into the 21st century, let alone beyond the Iraq war.

Intergenerational beefs are counter-productive. Stop it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on May 02, 2022, 12:38:38 PM
I was toying earlier with the nightmare, future-is-cancelled vision of Blair somehow running for PM again, but I suppose one benefit of the U.K.'s political system is that the job of having to actually head a party and serve as opposition leader would likely be far too unglamorous and humiliating for a jetsetting member of the world leaders club to contemplate going through again. On the other hand, Blair's reinstatement at the top of the party almost feels like the only logical endpoint of Labour's effort to reproduce all of the aesthetic markers of 97-05. This current impasse where Starmer and co keep making supplicating gestures towards Blair's image while the man himself sort of hovers coyly a little beyond their reach doesn't really seem sustainable.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on May 02, 2022, 12:34:40 PMI'm gen-x and I think Blair is a cunt. I don't know anyone of my generation whose excitement about the '97 Labour victory lasted into the 21st century, let alone beyond the Iraq war.

Intergenerational beefs are counter-productive. Stop it.

I'm not trying to start an intergenerational beef, the fact remains the most of the most vocal and committed supporters of blair were in their 20's when Labour won. I think it's important to work out why that is I'd have thought it was obvious I was only talking about a subset of people of a certain age who are committed to Blair rather than an entire generation.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 02, 2022, 01:11:13 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 12:48:01 PMI'm not trying to start an intergenerational beef, the fact remains the most of the most vocal and committed supporters of blair were in their 20's when Labour won. I think it's important to work out why that is I'd have thought it was obvious I was only talking about a subset of people of a certain age who are committed to Blair rather than an entire generation.

Such a small subset, it would be irrelevant if it didn't have establishment power. Your theory is bunk.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 01:15:53 PM
I was talking about normal people not members of the commentariat.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 02, 2022, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 02, 2022, 01:15:53 PMI was talking about normal people not members of the commentariat.

I know. That's why your theory is bunk.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on May 02, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on May 02, 2022, 12:34:40 PMI'm gen-x and I think Blair is a cunt. I don't know anyone of my generation whose excitement about the '97 Labour victory lasted into the 21st century, let alone beyond the Iraq war.

Intergenerational beefs are counter-productive. Stop it.

Yeah, me too. I'd take him over Johnson, though, and probably over Kieth.

Be nice if politics wasn't about picking the least shit, but still incredibly shit, of all the shit alternatives.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 02, 2022, 05:35:41 PM
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on May 02, 2022, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Quote on May 02, 2022, 11:25:35 AMI think they genuinely believe 1997 was some kind of high water mark for civilisation, rather than how everyone else sees it, as momentary elation quickly replaced by disappointment and cynicism.

Very quickly in my case. I got dumped just over a fortnight over that election. On the eve of the FA Cup final. I still don't know who won.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on May 02, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
I'm from Northern Ireland and was doing my GCSEs at the time that Blair got in. A boy in my class who made a 3D map of Northern Ireland with a huge red hand of Ulster coming out of it said: "Lads, I'm moving. That Blair cunt will have a united Ireland. Is he a woofter?"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on May 02, 2022, 08:41:37 PM
It's kinda weird how much they hype it up and the massive landslide he got. Obama had a similar landslide in 2008 and it always seems like the objective of the DNC is to play down just how much capital they had because it makes how little Obama actually got done look absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 02, 2022, 09:57:52 PM
Millennials probably won't remember when John Major resigned as Tory leader in 1995 because he was sulking. The Major years were hilarious. I absolutely believe Kinnock could have beaten him after the September 92 ERM fiasco.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: bgmnts on May 02, 2022, 10:49:35 PM
Saw this bellend on the itv news probably dribbling out a milquetoast, enfeebled plea for slightly less evil actions by the government whilst I was making a cuppa earlier and I almost reflexively spat at the telly.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 03, 2022, 05:34:09 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on May 02, 2022, 09:57:52 PMMillennials probably won't remember when John Major resigned as Tory leader in 1995 because he was sulking. The Major years were hilarious. I absolutely believe Kinnock could have beaten him after the September 92 ERM fiasco.

He was right about one thing though, there were bastards in his cabinet.

Also hilarious that they put his victory down to his pissing around with a megaphone rather thank Kinnock bellowing 'We're alright!' and scaring the fucking horses. If he'd just shut the fuck up and said nothing then he'd have won.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 03, 2022, 08:50:34 AM
Keir Starmer is a complete cunt and i will never vote for his small-minded boomer party while he's heading it cheers
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 03, 2022, 11:10:50 PM
QuoteLabour leader Sir Keir Starmer has suggested that MPs who express anti-Nato sentiments could be removed from the party.

Speaking with Times Radio earlier today, Starmer argued that the party had been experiencing a "big conversation about anti NATO sentiment".

When quizzed over whether an "anti-Nato" MPs could be booted out of the party, Sir Keir explained: "Well, I think I've been very clear on both antisemitism and on our unshakeable support for Nato and calling out this false equivalence between Russian aggression, and it is Russian aggression, in Ukraine and the acts of Nato. So I think I've been very clear."

"Yes, these are principles that are absolutely the root of the Labour Party, centre of the Labour Party, and I'm determined that the Labour Party will face the electorate and not the sort of internal machinations and arguments that we have had too much of in the past."

Earlier this year 11 MPs, including ex shadow ministers John McDonnell and Diane Abbott, were threatened with the withdrawal of the whip if they did not take their name off a Stop The War Coalition letter.

The pressure group— originally set up to oppose US military action following the 9/11 attacks — states that it campaigns against Britain's "disastrous addiction to war".

When pressed over whether his remarks ought to be considered a warning to the MPs in question, Starmer affirmed "I'm very clear about my position. Yes."

Sir Keir also told BBC Radio 4 today that he backed an uptick in defence spending, stating: "Yes, I do think the Government is going to have to come back to Parliament and look again at defence spending and I know many Conservative MPs think that as well."

"I'd also say the Government at the moment is proposing to cut a further 10,000 or so from our armed services and I think they are wrong to do that and I would call on them not to do it.

"But obviously I think there is now a clamour for the Government to come back to Parliament and to look again at defence spending and the defence strategy frankly," he went on.

An executive member of the hard-left Momentum group founded to campaign for Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign has hit back at Starmer's remarks. Mish Rahman said today: "Keir Starmer ran on a platform to end factionalism, unite the Labour Party and defeat the Tories.

"But after months of unprovoked attacks on the Left, this anti-democratic move would instead spell the end of the Labour Party as we know it," he went on.

Rahman also sits on Labour's National Executive Commitee.

https://www.politics.co.uk/news-in-brief/anti-nato-mps-could-be-expelled-from-labour-starmer-hints/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 03, 2022, 11:23:04 PM
That's just pathetic. Is there any precedent for that? Ie I know labour is anti death penalty but it would be absurd to expell anyone who personally supported it
 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 04, 2022, 12:07:47 AM
It's okay. When he's PM, Kieth will guard the big red button: https://vimeo.com/126720159
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 04, 2022, 06:55:16 AM
What's antisemitism got to do with being critical of NATO, Kieth?  That's not what you were asked about.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 04, 2022, 11:12:38 AM
Russian aggression root out anti-Semitism tackle the cost of living crisis up to £600 off energy bills protect wimmenngirls

He's fucking awful at interviews because he absolutely sticks to a script of soundbites and he comes off as even more dishonest than Boris Johnson
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Key on May 04, 2022, 11:15:31 AM
Don't be nasty to my kKEITH.
He's not what you all say he is.

Hes my big lefty lawyer. He's a Corbynista in a suit. He's in the pocket of Big Burgon

LEAVE KIETh ALONE!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 04, 2022, 01:08:47 PM
Google "wes streeting kitty corral"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on May 04, 2022, 01:29:20 PM
I know that when someone accuses me of something I haven't done, my first response is "can't prove it". That tends to set people's minds at ease
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 04, 2022, 02:59:41 PM
wurrence telephene strikes again.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 03:07:44 PM
Hope not Hate are using Eddie Marsan to emotionally blackmail people into sticking with the status quo, I guess he is the perfect poster boy for it.
https://twitter.com/sankarawasright/status/1521848982791729152
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 04, 2022, 03:28:46 PM
I saw them referred to as 'Abandon All Hope' the other day, which seems fitting.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
I've never really given them much consideration before, assuming they were generally OK. But I saw some people suggest they're a front for the Labour right, is that correct? It certainly seems a lot easier to believe given they think this fucking guy is a good representative:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR6pbhYXoAAyba3?format=jpg&name=small)

As someone else pointed out, the video actually tones down the butcher's apron compared to Kieth.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR631KAWUAAhAxO?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 04, 2022, 04:35:26 PM
Smee
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 03:38:56 PMI've never really given them much consideration before, assuming they were generally OK. But I saw some people suggest they're a front for the Labour right, is that correct?

Smeeth is on the board so draw your own conclusions!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 04, 2022, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 03:07:44 PMHope not Hate are using Eddie Marsan to emotionally blackmail people into sticking with the status quo, I guess he is the perfect poster boy for it.
https://twitter.com/sankarawasright/status/1521848982791729152

Christ, that's barely coherent.

'Don't listen to the flag-waving racists who want to send everyone back. Be sure to vote for the politicians who stand next to big union flags while enacting tough border policies.'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 04, 2022, 04:40:31 PM
This guy's comment nails it.

QuoteApathy is caused by the failures of politicians, not voters. The leadership of both political parties are totally uninterested in young voters, and both wanted Boris Johnson to become prime minister at the last election. No one is owed your vote!

If there is not only a lack of hope for the future but prospect of real change regardless of which party is in government then young people will not vote and no amount of scaremongering about the far right will make them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 04, 2022, 04:40:31 PMThis guy's comment nails it.

If there is not only a lack of hope for the future but prospect of real change regardless of which party is in government then young people will not vote and no amount of scaremongering about the far right will make them.

Yes I quite often wonder about whether in these conditions voting is minimising harm or enabling things to stay as they are.

Although I also worry both parties are totally fine with shrinking voter numbers provided the argument stays the same.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 04, 2022, 06:26:17 PM
Nah mate what emboldens the far right is accepting that their policy platforms (if they have them) deserve to exist as part of political discourse and then adopting slightly watered down versions of them to please imagined legions of socially conservative voters who aren't going to vote for you anyway. 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 04, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 05:16:29 PMYes I quite often wonder about whether in these conditions voting is minimising harm or enabling things to stay as they are.

Although I also worry both parties are totally fine with shrinking voter numbers provided the argument stays the same.

Tbf I think at Local elections the macro grand strategy isn't worth getting distracted by - providing you do your research about the candidates.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 04, 2022, 07:28:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Jaro_Hasek/status/1521915860075560962?t=dyrBhagog03AvtuHQE7GIg&s=19

This laconic, socialist verging on anarchist account is worth a follow if you waste your time in that fashion. Dips into pretentiousness and over emphasis at points but that's what I'd hope for. Nothing about Labour but lots about related wider issues.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 05, 2022, 11:21:08 AM
Politico wondering if Starmer could be fucked

Seems a bit of a stretch to me but it's a cheering thought:

'The Beergate story has been a highly successful Conservative HQ attack operation, but Starmer's claim that broadcast journalists are simply falling for Tory mudslinging is not right. There is a chorus of non-Tory voices criticizing the Labour leader's handling of the row, with several papers other than the Sun and the Mail jumping on the story today. The FT's Jim Pickard has dug out the government guidance for campaigning at the time, which clearly stated: "You should not meet with other campaigners indoors." This guidance was not legally binding, but it is obviously highly newsworthy for a senior politician to apparently clearly breach it and then insist he has done nothing wrong. Pickard says "senior Labour figures" now fear Beergate will seriously damage Labour and prevent the party from capitalizing on the No. 10 Partygate at the locals.

The Times' Chris Smyth goes further in an essential analysis piece. He argues that all bets are off if Durham police open an investigation into Starmer, and worse: "If they end up fining Starmer, it could prove terminal. After all, Starmer has repeatedly insisted not only that Johnson resign, but that Rishi Sunak must also quit, despite the chancellor's rule-breaking seemingly one-off and largely accidental. If Starmer was also found to have broken the rules, it is hard to see how he could credibly refuse to apply the same standard to himself. If he clung on in such a scenario, his credibility would be shot ... If the only political casualty of the affair turns out to be Starmer himself, it will be an irony so bitter for Labour that all the beer in Durham would not wash the taste away."'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 11:54:47 AM
I don't know what the fuck's going on tbh as I saw lots of "labour prepping for going to shit" stuff being reported yesterday but some of the polling stuff suggests either labour doing really well everywhere, or minor gains in England and gains in the rest of the UK, to the point that they practically take the Tory's share in Scotland (but little impact against the SNP).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 05, 2022, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: pigamus on May 05, 2022, 11:21:08 AMPolitico wondering if Starmer could be fucked...

If Durham police investigate, he could be, or at least lose any goodwill and polling lead built up during "partygate". However, I suspect the furore in the media over this is simply the right-wing papers desperately trying to fling shit at Labour to stop the Tories getting hammered today. There is little evidence "Beergate" has broken through among the wider public and I'm predicting the story will be dropped after today.

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 11:54:47 AMI don't know what the fuck's going on tbh as I saw lots of "labour prepping for going to shit" stuff being reported yesterday but some of the polling stuff suggests either labour doing really well everywhere, or minor gains in England and gains in the rest of the UK, to the point that they practically take the Tory's share in Scotland (but little impact against the SNP).

Don't interpret this as a "telling off", but isn't this better-suited to the Local elections thread?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 12:33:31 PM
Yeah probably but I assumed some of the politico speculation was in anticipation of poor local election results.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 05, 2022, 12:36:24 PM
That Times journo is making the word 'if' do a lot of work to make it seem remotely comparable to Partygate and still coming up short, enjoying watching Starmer sweat shouldn't detract from acknowledging broadsheets doing the same job as the Mail but via beardstroking.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 05, 2022, 12:43:54 PM
If Durham police have already said nothing doing then I can't see that changing unless Priti Patel puts massive pressure on them - but then the Tories are desperate so I wouldn't put it past them
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 05, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
Can't wait to visit the polling station later to vote for "?"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 05, 2022, 02:21:00 PM
TUSC for me - Even if I was tempted to vote Labour, the way the local council have handled the binman strike is very shitty and underhand.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 05, 2022, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Today by Carole Morgan, OrganiserHello my dear friends and comrades,

As you know, it's been quite some time since I last updated everyone. The reason for this is that we are now in a waiting game. It is up to the Courts when the case Richard Millett has brought against Jeremy will be heard. Until then we can only wait. One thing is certain however, and that is that the case will proceed. As soon as I have more information I will let you know.

JBC Defence Limited has had a small success however, in that we now have a bank account! Hard to believe that it's taken so long for a bank to let us open an account for Jeremy's Legal Fund, so all credit to Barclays for doing so.

As you know, Jeremy continues to work at his usual unstoppable pace regardless of those that try to waylay him, so our having the JBC Defence Ltd account at least takes this burden from his shoulders.

I am grateful to all of you for your steadfast support of Jeremy and the fund. These are difficult times for us all which only highlights how much your generosity means to Team JBC and of course, Jeremy.

With love and best wishes to each and every one of you,

Carole xxx

£374,857 raised so far. Fuck you, Millett, you cunt.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fund?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-165176724263-2707aad2cc8f11ec
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 05, 2022, 07:08:21 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/05/israel-says-putin-apologised-for-foreign-ministers-hitler-remarks

Love how the Israeli state have basically gone softer on Putin than they would have done with Corbyn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 05, 2022, 08:02:33 PM
Oh my.

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/05/05/starmers-shadow-health-sec-streeting-slammed-for-election-day-threat-to-constituent/

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 05, 2022, 08:02:33 PMOh my.

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/05/05/starmers-shadow-health-sec-streeting-slammed-for-election-day-threat-to-constituent/



came in to post that, fucking lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cuellar on May 05, 2022, 08:16:14 PM
Streeting seems like a pretty unpleasant guy, but that is a shitposting account so er...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 05, 2022, 08:16:39 PM
aaaaaaaahahahahahaha

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 08:30:30 PM
Quote from: Cuellar on May 05, 2022, 08:16:14 PMStreeting seems like a pretty unpleasant guy, but that is a shitposting account so er...

It had crossed my mind it wasn't real, although the response does have the check, of course you can fake that but it's more involved than composing a fake DM from another account.

I'm not sure it matters though since even if it is bollocks it's still funny that they're running with it.


Starmer must condemn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 05, 2022, 08:51:48 PM
yeah i dont know if this is faked or not, either way lmao

(https://i.imgur.com/2sR5wPt.png)

i think it probably is fake because he wouldn't mention Suzanne Moore. he'd just pretend he noticed it for the first time
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 05, 2022, 09:02:24 PM
This is worse than the pet shop is it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 05, 2022, 09:45:15 PM
wes streeting looks like someone shoved a set of false teeth into a mouldy pumpkin

edit lol

(https://i.imgur.com/XtAvq4z.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 10:05:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vr49hP1.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 10:34:22 PM
QuotePLP WhatsApp group was sent a handy reminder to "make your voice heard – vote before 10pm". At 22:04 😄

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1522326921173995520

lol they really are shit at everything.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 06, 2022, 06:28:27 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 10:34:22 PMhttps://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1522326921173995520

lol they really are shit at everything.

Now deleted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 09:30:36 AM
It was that the plp whatsapp had a message reminding everyone to vote by 10pm,sent at 10:03.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on May 06, 2022, 09:38:38 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 05, 2022, 07:04:21 PM£374,857 raised so far. Fuck you, Millett, you cunt.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fund?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-165176724263-2707aad2cc8f11ec

If there's anyone interested in other similar legal GoFundMe concerns from people weaponising AS, there's a guy Mike Sivier being sued for libel by Rachel Riley, he could do with people helping him with his costs on his CrowdJustice page.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 06, 2022, 12:51:42 PM
Uh oh!

https://twitter.com/evansma/status/1522542734267015174

QuoteMartin Evans
@evansma
EXCLUSIVE: Durham Police will investigate Sir Keir Starmer over beergate allegations, the Daily Telegraph understands
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on May 06, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 04, 2022, 04:35:26 PMSmee
Smeeth is on the board so draw your own conclusions!

And Hope Not Hate was initially a campaign by Nick Lowles when he was working with Gerry Gable at Searchlight magazine. Gable is known to have links with Western security services.
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster24.pdf#page=9
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on May 06, 2022, 02:52:08 PM
Much as I'd like to see Starmer in the shit, the filth are looking at this because the Tories and the press have told them to, while the London filth do their utmost to protect Johnson. It's not good.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 03:15:55 PM
QuoteSome words you might want to keep an eye out for re Durham and Starmer.

'Buffet', 'music, '11pm'  👀

These are the claims I've seen from one person who claims to have witnessed the events. Down to Labour to show that's untrue.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1522576349629661185
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 06, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 05, 2022, 12:31:37 PMThere is little evidence "Beergate" has broken through among the wider public and I'm predicting the story will be dropped after today.

CHECK OUT THIS DUNCE

I suspect he will be found not guilty as I don't think Starmer would've been stupid enough to break the rules and make a meal out of partygate, and there's a world of difference between one night of curries and beers during campaigning in April 2021 to constant parties in 2020. But it's a significant blow to Labour's line of attack.

Would he resign if found guilty? You would think he could front it out if Johnson and Sunak do too, but he would be badly weakened. If he does fall on his sword, maybe it's a blessing in disguise - his luck has been so bad it doesn't bode well for the future.

Might stick a quid on Yvette Cooper as next leader/PM just in case...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 03:24:59 PM
On a base-level I find it hard to resent people staying for some food and beers after work if they were in work anyway as the risk of exposure doesn't magically change between being on the clock and not.

Optics are terrible though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on May 06, 2022, 04:40:44 PM
When I used to have to work hours of overtime during "crunch periods", it was common for the company to get in curry/pizza/Chinese and beers as a "perk" (before bleeding us dry until the early hours).

If that's what he's saying happened, it doesn't sound any different.  Not that I wouldn't love to see the dishonest fucker go down for it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 06, 2022, 05:01:37 PM
Et tu Emma?

QuoteIf Starmer is found to have broken rules and is issued with a FPN, he's going to have to resign.

https://twitter.com/emmakennedy/status/1522559219253366800
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 06, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
If Starmer did resign after getting a FPN, that would amp up the pressure on Johnson and Sunak. Might end up being one of the few worthwhile things Starmer has even done as Labour leader.

Come on Kier, do something decent for a change.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 06, 2022, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 06, 2022, 05:03:36 PMIf Starmer did resign after getting a FPN, that would amp up the pressure on Johnson and Sunak.

But that might upset four racists in Stoke On Trent.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
what's the probability of the next person being cut from the same cloth?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 06, 2022, 05:58:32 PM
The Uncertainty principle states that we cannot know the probability of an event with 100% confidence but we can predict the probability of this one with 100% confidence.

If it's Streeting, I will not be able to have enough showers to rid myself of the stink of having been associated with that party.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 06, 2022, 06:04:06 PM
If it isn't Yvette Cooper it'll probably be Lisa bloody Nandy, God help us all
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 06:05:38 PM
Yeah I did have a sense of foreboding Cooper might be in there somewhere.

I've not heard a shit take from Nandy in a while, have they rotated her out of the soundbite crew?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 06, 2022, 06:22:19 PM
Come on Durham Constabulary
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 06, 2022, 08:18:37 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 03:15:55 PMhttps://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1522576349629661185

This little run of shitposts made me laugh:

Quote from: PolProf Wariotifo @wariotifoReplying to @AaronBastani

my sources confirm this and also 'astronomical cleaning bill' 'highest up on the wall they've ever seen it'

3:06 pm · 6 May 2022

Quote from: Manic Kieth Preachers QC @wrb91Replying to @wariotifo and @AaronBastani

My source: "This is why he is banned from all the pubs in Bath"

3:17 pm · 6 May 2022

Quote from: red in the head @redntheheadReplying to @wrb91, @wariotifo and @AaronBastani

also hearing that when he left "he was 20 pints ahead"

3:20 pm · 6 May 2022

https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1522578626012717056

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 07, 2022, 12:50:31 AM
Looking forward to seeing Johnson calmly destroy Starmer at PMQs with forensic pyrotechnics.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 07, 2022, 05:31:36 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 06, 2022, 05:03:36 PMIf Starmer did resign after getting a FPN, that would amp up the pressure on Johnson and Sunak. Might end up being one of the few worthwhile things Starmer has even done as Labour leader.

Come on Kier, do something decent for a change.

Would it fuck, they'd just laugh and point at him 'ha ha what ye day that fur ya stupid prick, whit a cock'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 07, 2022, 01:09:04 PM
Halfway through Eagleton's biography of Starmar. Well worth a read based on what I've read so far.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 01:35:29 PM
Just heard on 6 Music Diane Abbott saying Starmer will need to consider his position regarding the police enquiry.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 02:01:27 PM
QuoteOfficers from Durham Constabulary, who initially said they did not believe an offence had been committed, announced on Friday they would re-investigate claims he might have broken pandemic social distancing regulations.

Police said they had U-turned on an earlier decision after receiving "significant new information".

It came a week after North West Durham MP Richard Holden penned a letter to the force in which he said he had discovered a "concerning new piece of evidence" about the 30 April event, which took place in the office of Mary Foy, the City of Durham MP, in the run-up to the Hartlepool by-election.

He claimed an online invitation showed the City of Durham Labour Party invited people to a "Quiz and Social in-person event" on the same night, "at the location where Keir Starmer was filmed socialising and drinking beer".

He also alleged that a Facebook message on the event page from local MP, Mary Kelly Foy, "encouraged attendees to have a 'greasy night', which Urban Dictionary defines as an evening which involves 'drinking too much'."

https://inews.co.uk/news/beergate-police-probe-keir-starmer-labour-mp-greasy-1616915?ITO=msn

the rest of the article hinges on whether the author intentionally typed 'greasy' to mean lash-up or 'great'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 07, 2022, 02:08:56 PM
Greasy?

(https://images.jacobinmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/23160405/GettyImages-165240569.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 07, 2022, 02:11:37 PM
I presume that's where the term was popularised (I remember them making a big thing about just doing "greasy" crimes around season 4 or 5?)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 07, 2022, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 07, 2022, 02:08:56 PMGreasy?

(https://images.jacobinmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/23160405/GettyImages-165240569.jpg)

One of my biggest disappointments about moving to Nova Scotia is that there aren't any "stripclubs, the real greasy ones, out by the airport" regardless of what Corey and Trevor said.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
I assume you can still lose all your money on VLT's though?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 07, 2022, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 03:19:45 PMI assume you can still lose all your money on VLT's though?

Way she goes, bud.

I do frequent a properly gre-e-easy dive bar that has a huge VLT section in it. Grim but compelling.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 07, 2022, 07:19:13 PM
He's fucked this hasn't he?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 07, 2022, 08:47:07 PM
KEIR STARMER

DID I IN FACT DO THE PARTY
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 07, 2022, 07:19:13 PMHe's fucked this hasn't he?

Painted into a corner by his desire to look like a petty authoritarian cop. It's glorious.

It's like if a half inflated balloon possessed hubris.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 07, 2022, 09:24:22 PM
What is the charge? Enjoying a meal? A succulent Indian meal?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 07, 2022, 09:24:22 PMWhat is the charge? Enjoying a meal? A succulent Indian meal?

I just entered this thread to post this, lol.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSLov2TX0AAkdkQ?format=jpg&name=360x360)

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sex_Peston/status/1523035535882731525
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on May 07, 2022, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 07, 2022, 01:35:29 PMJust heard on 6 Music Diane Abbott saying Starmer will need to consider his position regarding the police enquiry.

Cannot wait to see the low res picture of Keith she'll use when he resigns in shame.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 08, 2022, 08:12:40 AM
If the new reports are true Starmer should resign, but the media is very quiet on the hypocrisy of Tories and their supporters, who claimed that we should ignore Johnson's lockdown breaches because of the war in Ukraine and trying to claim "it was all about cake" when it wasn't, going all in on Labour's alleged breaches. Hardly anyone outside of this forum seems to be remarking on the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 08, 2022, 08:26:06 AM
Just realised that Streeting reminds me of Harriet Harman. It's the head shape, pallor and weird beady eyes.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
If Keith is fingered by the fuzz for this, it's hard to see how he can escape unscathed given his stance on Johnson and Sunak's lawbreaking. It is, of course, true that there is a huge difference in scale between the routine and flagrant disregard in Whitehall for their own rules, and a one-off (?) event on a campaign trail. But if Keith tries to offer this as a defence, it's not clear how his credibility will remain intact. And even if it is the end of him, the Tories will just laugh off their multiple fines and stick two fingers up to the opposition and the country. Because that's how it works.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 08, 2022, 10:21:46 AM
As much it's funny to see Kir Seir hoisted by his own petard, the time of the Hartlepool by-election in 2021 was hardly like lockdown 1 in 2020 when the cops were fining people for having a sit down and that. And there's more shit going on at No. 10 than the birthday cake
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 10:25:45 AM
Sure- and I don't really want to see him go for this, as that would just let him off the hook for all the other crapness that surrounds him. But I can easily see it going that way if he is served a notice.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on May 08, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
slippery starmer caught in the act. slippery starmer at it again with the beers and the lads. slippery starmer in his little office munching on pizza pie with his trusted friends. little does slippery starmer know, there's a man out the window. look, slippery starmer, he's got a camera! watch out slippery starmer, he's got you on film! slippery starmer too drunk too care, stuffing his slippery face with slippery slices of the most slippery pie dominos has to offer. slippery starmer munching a hot slippery giuseppe and glugging a slippery staropramen. slipping and sliding around his branch office on all fours like a greased up pig, his friends squirting fairy liquid on him in a demented bukkake bachannal, sucking up slices from the wet tarpaulin and slurping slops of seven-up, sluicing, slopping, sucking, smacking his slippery lips at the thought of another slice. he's really slipped up this time
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 08, 2022, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 10:13:18 AMIf Keith is fingered by the fuzz

boaked.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 10:39:54 AM
Sorry - you've got Humphrey Littleton (or his scriptwriter) to thank for that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 08, 2022, 10:57:52 AM
If Partygate doesn't come up on the doorstep much as they keep saying, the Tories are wasting a lot of energy implicating Starmer in something nobody's bothered about.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 08, 2022, 11:42:12 AM
The Tories killing off thousands of care home biddies and looting the public purse to dish out to their cronies always seemed the bigger, more important crimes but Keith decided to focus on the parties and propriety in office instead, then saw it blow up in his face when he was shown to have broken the rules in much the same way (albeit he didn't put those rules in place and it was at a far less serious moment in the pandemic).

Forensic, etc.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 08, 2022, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: Psybro on May 08, 2022, 10:57:52 AMIf Partygate doesn't come up on the doorstep much as they keep saying, the Tories are wasting a lot of energy implicating Starmer in something nobody's bothered about.
it seems much more like our nasty spiteful print press just being gleeful bullies for the sake of it because thats how our country is now
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 08, 2022, 12:18:22 PM
Baffles me how how Kieth could be so stupid as to let this happen. You'd think he'd be paranoid about following the rules for just this reason.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 08, 2022, 12:28:54 PM
He was kept away from his Jameson too long and had to wet his whistle with a cheeky Peroni
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 08, 2022, 01:37:52 PM
As Starmer's mission isn't to get Labour elected but to defang Labour completely of all socialist impulse, it's difficult to see him stepping aside even if he gets fined for breaking the law.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: DrGreggles on May 08, 2022, 01:51:34 PM
I hate Keith as much as anyone, but isn't this just workers having a lunch break? You know, like employment law requires if you're working x hours in a day - and was certainly within guidelines a year ago.
I can't see the 'gotcha' here.

He should definitely resign though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 08, 2022, 01:37:52 PMAs Starmer's mission isn't to get Labour elected but to defang Labour completely of all socialist impulse, it's difficult to see him stepping aside even if he gets fined for breaking the law.

Wouldn't handing over to Wes put the final nail in the coffin?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 08, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 01:59:46 PMWouldn't handing over to Wes put the final nail in the coffin?

Probably for Labour in general, Streeting is a weirdo and makes the Milibands look like the man on the street.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 08, 2022, 02:18:30 PM
It's going to be very difficult now for anyone in Labour to bring up the multiple lockdown breaches by Tories without the tabloids, the grifters and the Tories responding by shouting about Starmar's alleged lockdown breach over and over again. I suppose most shadow cabinet members are not bothered whether the Tories or Labour are in government so long as they continue to enjoy the trappings of power so won't be moving against Kier if he refuses to resign.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 08, 2022, 02:33:30 PM
Not really. My response is "Yeah, they should fuck off too and let someone in who's going to improve the lives of the people they elected."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 08, 2022, 02:46:08 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on May 08, 2022, 01:51:34 PMI hate Keith as much as anyone, but isn't this just workers having a lunch break? You know, like employment law requires if you're working x hours in a day - and was certainly within guidelines a year ago.
I can't see the 'gotcha' here.

That depends on whether there was a buffet and music, and whether they carried on working after eating their food at 11pm.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AM
Apologies for this deep-dive but it's interesting how transparently Alex Wickham, ex-Guido hack at Politico and alleged godfather to Boris and Carrie's kid, is trying to get Starmer for this:

Quote from: https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/scoops-drunk-staff-at-keir-curry-loto-xmas-party-invite-khan-dont-quit/MR RULES: The person also told Playbook that no work was being done during or after the curry, and therefore that the event "crossed the line" and breached COVID laws. They explained their recollection of what happened: As per the MoS story, the dinner was pre-planned, contrary to Starmer's suggestion that a takeaway was ordered because people were "hungry." The plan was to have a "working dinner" where Starmer and around 15 other people ate their curries while holding a Zoom call with Labour activists. However, the person said, the curry arrived late, after the Zoom call and all work had finished. As a result: "There was no work being done. There just wasn't. The Zoom events had finished ... If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn't have been a breach. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn't work and there was no work afterwards that I'm aware of." They went on: "It was Friday night after nine o'clock and some people were drinking ... Of course it crossed the line."

If this account is correct, they broke the rules because the curry was late. Which seems harsh and is a reminder that some of the rules at the time were a nonsense. If they sent one email after the curry, then would they be in the clear?

They also have a SCOOP that Starmer's office tried to arrange Christmas party in 2020 - but then cancelled it!

QuoteWhy this matters: The event ultimately never took place so there is no danger of any fines. But we have confirmation here from Starmer's team that they attempted to organize a Christmas party that may well have broken COVID laws. That certainly raises questions about their conduct, not least given Starmer's criticism of the government over its own lockdown-breaking parties.

They've been caught bang to rights for the crime of not having a party that would have broken lockdown rules.

QuotePlaybook has seen some galaxy brain hot takes this weekend suggesting that Starmer resigning would actually be bad news for Boris Johnson. This may be a bit too much 4D chess — Tory sources pointed out last night that generally in politics your opponent having to resign is not seen as a negative.

This is the worst of it and demonstrates everything wrong with Westminster journalism - almost wilful superficial thinking with no thought beyond the short-term. First of all, it's clear the Tories don't fear Starmer so Labour swapping him for a more able replacement would not be a positive for them. And what would the public think if Starmer resigns for breaking the rules once, but Johnson refuses to for even though he broke the rules more egregiously on multiple occasions? It would make his position untenable, finally.

It will be very funny if by pushing #beergate the right-wing press and the likes of Nadine Dorries accidentally speed up the departure of their man.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 09, 2022, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AMThey also have a SCOOP that Starmer's office tried to arrange Christmas party in 2020 - but then cancelled it!

They've been caught bang to rights for the crime of not having a party that would have broken lockdown rules.

Kieth should apologise anyway and pledge to stamp out the culture of rule breaking that has been tolerated under his leadership.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on May 09, 2022, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AMIt would make his position untenable, finally.

Are you kidding? As a war prime minister!?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 09, 2022, 11:11:24 AM
Funny how they yell hypocrite at him after their series of lockdown busting bashes at Christmas and when James Slack was leaving downing street

https://pressgazette.co.uk/sun-deputy-editor-james-slack-sorry/

Still keir has been bending over backwards for these cunts so he deserves all of their shit in his stupid face
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: suelgi on May 09, 2022, 12:03:10 PM
Another funny Labour attack ad on a party they will need in the future.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSTKuaZWUAMWNCQ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
As someone points out they're pillorying the greens for things they pledged to do even harder.

QuoteIn an attack leaflet from last week, Labour accused the Greens of wanting to "increase the rate of Corporation Tax to 24%"

When Starmer was running to be leader he told Labour members he supported increasing CT back to 28% (the rate it was under Brown, before the Tories cut it)

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1523571190874353665
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: suelgi on May 09, 2022, 12:03:10 PMAnother funny Labour attack ad on a party they will need in the future.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSTKuaZWUAMWNCQ?format=jpg&name=small)

Thanks Labour. Am checking out your own 2019 policies from manifesto and website and I like a lot of that I must say. Hope you are happy to tell me more about them. 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on May 09, 2022, 12:16:35 PM
A bunch of tie-dyed tree-huggers who would rather play hacky sack than lock up the homeless.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 09, 2022, 12:16:55 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but (according to the Eye) there was a huge party at the Sun offices during lockdown, that allegedly included 'Ugandan discussions' between various members of staff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 12:28:42 PM
It seems almost too obvious; but those Lid Dem and Green leaflets sent out by letter aren't trying to deter people who may move in those directions. Rather trying to show to soft Tories that these are policies we now strongly oppose; look we aren't far from the Tories at all so don't be scared of us.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: wrec on May 09, 2022, 01:37:12 PM
Pearl clutching over the Greens' pro-EU position is laughably hypocritical but also profoundly grim. Vote Sideshow Bob.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on May 09, 2022, 01:42:09 PM
We were always at war with EUrasia.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: suelgi on May 09, 2022, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: wrec on May 09, 2022, 01:37:12 PMPearl clutching over the Greens' pro-EU position is laughably hypocritical but also profoundly grim. Vote Sideshow Bob.
Labours loving the Brexit now, Keirs girl says it's "gonna be good"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on May 09, 2022, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AMIt will be very funny if by pushing #beergate the right-wing press and the likes of Nadine Dorries accidentally speed up the departure of their man.

Apparently Jacob Rees-Mogg was asked in an interview if Starmer should resign if he gets a fine. Of course he couldn't say yes without being immediately tackled over why that shouldn't also apply to Johnson, so he ended up dodging the question by arguing that there are more important things to be talking about.

They really seem to have painted themselves into a corner with this one.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 06, 2022, 06:05:38 PMYeah I did have a sense of foreboding Cooper might be in there somewhere.

I've not heard a shit take from Nandy in a while, have they rotated her out of the soundbite crew?

Right on cue lol
QuoteLisa Nandy either ignorantly or stupidly abandoning both the historic position of
@UKLabour
 and the legal position of the UK government enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement that Britain has 'no selfish strategic or economic interest' in Northern Ireland.

https://twitter.com/joecguinan/status/1523440522139897856
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on May 09, 2022, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: suelgi on May 09, 2022, 12:03:10 PMAnother funny Labour attack ad on a party they will need in the future.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSTKuaZWUAMWNCQ?format=jpg&name=small)

In what way exactly is "putting their policies in their manifesto and on their website" equivalent to "not telling you about them"?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 02:44:11 PM
Horrid New Labour vibes off that, bad buried memories flooding back of when they were an arm of the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 09, 2022, 03:01:00 PM
Starmer definitely needs to throw his leadership on the mercy of the police.  We know that he absolutely trusts the Great British police forces implicitly.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 09, 2022, 03:24:44 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61383091

QuoteLabour leader Sir Keir Starmer and his team have discussed whether he will promise to resign in the event of being fined by Durham Police for breaking Covid rules.

The opposition leader is expected to make a statement at 16:00 BST.

lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Dr Rock on May 09, 2022, 03:29:04 PM
The Greens want to increase corporation tax? The bastards!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 09, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
We now go live to Sir Keir shrinking and transforming into a corn cob
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 03:44:02 PM
Another Angry Voice:

QuoteFor two years capitalist media have treated Keir Starmer with kid gloves, giving him by far the easiest ride of any Labour leader since the early days of Tony Blair.

But they've recently gone after him over the so-called "beergate" scandal, which has clearly got the man absolutely reeling.

His allies have briefed the press that Starmer has been blindsided by the intensity of the criticism, and that the hostility has been "almost beyond his imagination"!

It's utterly absurd to see Sir Keir crying victimhood over a little bit of media hostility, when he knows perfectly well what they did to his predecessor, and how much of an easy ride he's had in comparison for the last two years.

Other Starmer allies have been briefing the press that he's considering a pledge to resign if he ends up getting fined over "beergate".

This proposed resignation pledge would clash horribly with his rhetoric about letting Durham police "get on with their jobs", because it loads a huge amount of pressure onto a small local police force if they know their decision ultimately decides whether the leader of the opposition resigns.

And what happens if Durham Police take the same position that they did on Dominic Cummings' lockdown-busting drive to his (unlawfully constructed) County Durham bolthole, and his absurd driving-eyetest to Barnard Castle?

If they say offenses were committed, but they're not issuing fines because they're don't issue retrospective punishments, what does Starmer do?

Does he resign on principle? Or does he make himself look even more pathetic by clinging onto his position on a ludicrous technicality?

It's absolutely absurd that Starmer witnessed the relentless smears, lies, hostility, and character assassinations aimed at Jeremy Corbyn (Czech spy, Russian stooge, didn't bow deeply enough, Broadband Communist, the "stupid woman" lipreaders, the Anyone But Corbyn coup, plotting a second Holocaust, liked camping and baked beans too much, dancing at the Cenotaph, garden not tidy enough, went to the wrong kind of Seder, unprecedented Stalinist danger and simultaneously totally inept and incompetent ...), assumed that he'd never receive any such hostility himself, and is now having a total meltdown over a bit of predictably hyperbolic tabloid scrutiny over something that he actually did.

Whatever your position on Starmer, on "beergate", or on Britain's rabidly right-wing tabloid press, the fact that Starmer's having such a meltdown over a fraction of the hostility his predecessor endured, for years on end, surely suggests that the guy doesn't have the temperament or durability for the white heat of a general election campaign, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 09, 2022, 03:44:18 PM
Oh, christ.

Streeting and Rees-Mogg?

Nisa Landy and Gottle of Gove?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 03:47:52 PM
There's genuine tension palpable in centrist quarters over this news story. They know how compromised Starmer is and how compromised they are for the shrillness and high handedness everyone can remember when shrieking their insistence that Johnson should resign in the most blaring cacophonic volume.

Put the kettle on, for a change this is just going to be pure entertainment.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Dr Trouser on May 09, 2022, 03:57:53 PM
I'd wager he's been given a hint by Durham rozzers that he'll  be fine. Announces he will resign if found guilty at 4pm. DUrham rozzers then announce that investigation concludes he is sweetly innocent.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 09, 2022, 04:03:17 PM
Oh, yeah. He definitely thinks he'll be fine. Funny if it turns out he isn't though and he's the one who has to resign over the rule breaking he's been hammering away at the government over for months.

Imagine going through all this pointless drama when you could just cobble together some policies to help people and attempt to sell them to electorate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 04:05:04 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 09, 2022, 03:38:54 PMWe now go live to Sir Keir shrinking and transforming into a corn cob

lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 09, 2022, 04:12:28 PM
"A matter of principle and honour for me"

He's using all this as a little PR stunt to boost his phony image as a man of integrity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 04:13:27 PM
Is Keith suggesting that allegations are being weaponised by certain circles for political gain? Didn't think that was a legitimate thing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 04:15:40 PM
Sky News seem more interested in showing a helicopter view of London with Keith squeezed into a tiny part of the screen.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 04:22:38 PM
Moya Lothian-McLean's analysis is pretty good.
https://novaramedia.com/2022/05/09/keir-starmer-is-getting-a-taste-of-his-own-cop-medicine/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 09, 2022, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 04:22:38 PMMoya Lothian-McLean's analysis is pretty good.
https://novaramedia.com/2022/05/09/keir-starmer-is-getting-a-taste-of-his-own-cop-medicine/

I wonder what Moya would suggest as the alternative though. Whilst some fines were based on outdated understanding of covid, such as fining people for eating outside, I think a lot of the covid fines were given out for good reasons such as businesses opening in defiance of the lockdowns. The worst responses to the coronavirus thread gives a good indication of this.

As for the "no one likes a snitch" subheading, does she think that covid rule breaking should just have been ignored? That there should have been no consequences for people like Johnson who broke the rules? I would imagine we would have an even higher body count if the rules had not been enforced. Telling people not to "snitch" - who does that benefit apart from the people who are putting others at risk?

I think it's one thing to say the covid rules were flawed and should have been changed, but I think her take is just nonsense and comes across as the sort of take you would find in the Spectator or another journal that sort to minimise covid. Would it have been worth thousands of more deaths a day for the cause of not "snitching" which seems to be mainly about letting people get away with being shitty to other people.

I would have liked to see the fines related to income though. And proper financial support for businesses and the general public. Maybe the article should have called for that instead.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 09, 2022, 05:20:30 PM
Here's a Guardian hot take (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/09/boris-johnson-labour-keir-starmer-beer-election-results-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-627933ef8f081ca2bed696a8#block-627933ef8f081ca2bed696a8)

Quote from: Seriously?Keir Starmer is often portrayed as a dull politician. But as Labour leader he has produced at least two moments of supreme political drama: first, suspending Jeremy Corbyn (when did a major party leader last boot out a predecessor?), and today promising to resign if fined over beergate.

No one makes a commitment of this kind from a position of strength, and the merits of Starmer's move are being fiercely debated. But the manner in which he announced it was polished, and for three reasons many people are likely to be impressed.

First, it was in stark contrast to anything Boris Johnson would, or could, do. Starmer was able to say he stood for "honour and integrity" and it sounded credible. From Johnson, the same sentence would sound more like the punchline for a gag.

Second, Starmer sounded prime ministerial. Voters may elect celebrity/entertainment politicians, but some at least may hark back to the notion of having a leader with a bit more old-fashioned rectitude.

Third, and above all, it was ballsy. At one point during Watergate Ben Bradlee, the Washington Post editor, reputedly told his team "our cocks are on the chopping block". Well, Starmer's put his on the chopping block too. It may not be wise, but it certainly is brave.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: TrenterPercenter on May 09, 2022, 05:32:23 PM
Sorry but it is a ballsy move and principled.

That doesn't detract from anything else he might have done but it is an impressive thing to have done Rayner as well.

Fwiw I think it is a stupid thing to do if they have to resign no-one else will and they will spin it for all it's worth.  LBC already moaning about him pledging to resign, after previously calling for him to resign, some tory-journo lickspittle was literally just saying that Starmer had "frustrated" journalists by not sorting this out earlier and dragging them along to then pledge to resign now - very weird but very telling of how it all works clear that the Tories and their minions have realised they've fucked this up either way.

Your enemies enemy is not your friend.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 05:36:56 PM
If we are just talking about strategies and put aside the awfulness of Starmer, it will pay off if he's cleared and push Johnson closer to the door. It's the best thing he could do.

Not least because now there's a more than zero percent chance he'll resign.

Come on Durham, you have a Miners Gala for a reason.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 05:38:55 PM
I'm assuming he's appraised the situation and is confident that he won't get done, which makes this an empty threat.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 05:46:32 PM
I was hoping that the Guardian would highlight that Starmer effectively used the same reason as Corbyn did that got him kicked out. Accusing others of exaggerating and weaponising issues for political gain.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 05:46:32 PMI was hoping that the Guardian would highlight that Starmer effectively used the same reason as Corbyn did that got him kicked out. Accusing others of exaggerating and weaponising issues for political gain.

But if the thing you're claiming is being weaponised is antisemitism, then that is unacceptable, for reasons still unknown to the Earth and all Jews.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 09, 2022, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: greencalx on May 09, 2022, 05:20:30 PMHere's a Guardian hot take (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/09/boris-johnson-labour-keir-starmer-beer-election-results-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-627933ef8f081ca2bed696a8#block-627933ef8f081ca2bed696a8)
QuoteKeir Starmer is often portrayed as a dull politician. But as Labour leader he has produced at least two moments of supreme political drama: first, suspending Jeremy Corbyn (when did a major party leader last boot out a predecessor?), and today promising to resign if fined over beergate.
You have to wonder if Guardian journalists can remember anything that happened more than a few weeks ago, since one of the first things Boris Johnson did as PM (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49563357) was to kick out Ken Clarke and a bunch of other senior Tories. Not his predecessor as PM, but he expelled his predecessor's Chancellor Philip Hammond, without all the equivocation that Starmer brought to it. Boris Johnson is better at EVERYTHING than Starmer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 06:06:47 PM
Also he is suspended so not booted out, but fine.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 09, 2022, 06:10:42 PM
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on May 09, 2022, 05:32:23 PMThat doesn't detract from anything else he might have done but it is an impressive thing to have done Rayner as well.

Well I can only agree. Did she get to finish the curry first or...?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 09, 2022, 06:23:41 PM
God, remember Philip Hammond?  I didn't until he was mentioned.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 07:22:11 PM
https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1523329984932188162?t=slvOjJREDBTdBj6U5yGs0w&s=19

Shit, the guy is gone. There were plenty of hints going back before Corbyn.

Haters of Owen Jones must partly reflect on his eternally evergreen face. Christ, he looks about 9.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Kankurette on May 09, 2022, 07:25:35 PM
Quote from: kittens on May 08, 2022, 10:30:50 AMslippery starmer caught in the act. slippery starmer at it again with the beers and the lads. slippery starmer in his little office munching on pizza pie with his trusted friends. little does slippery starmer know, there's a man out the window. look, slippery starmer, he's got a camera! watch out slippery starmer, he's got you on film! slippery starmer too drunk too care, stuffing his slippery face with slippery slices of the most slippery pie dominos has to offer. slippery starmer munching a hot slippery giuseppe and glugging a slippery staropramen. slipping and sliding around his branch office on all fours like a greased up pig, his friends squirting fairy liquid on him in a demented bukkake bachannal, sucking up slices from the wet tarpaulin and slurping slops of seven-up, sluicing, slopping, sucking, smacking his slippery lips at the thought of another slice. he's really slipped up this time
I gotta say, this is better than the Johnson/Thatcher spanking fetish art (https://www.deviantart.com/daveell/art/Maggie-thrashes-boris-with-caption-n01-915345791) I saw earlier today.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on May 09, 2022, 07:33:22 PM
was Partygate actually as big of a deal to voters as Labour and the media pushed it as being? Like, obviously it was all really bad and was gonna harm the tories but I fail to see how Labour pursuing it above all else made any sense when the cost of living crisis is far more prominently on people's minds and the tories are so actively shitting the bed over it in an ongoing capacity that people are feeling right now.

The way Labour focused so heavily on partygate over that just gave me the impression of the kind of people who were eager to report their neighbours for any minor breakages of the rules during the lockdowns, regardless of whether you agreed with them it was hard to find much to like about them and even harder to find much reason to vote for them over some alternative.



Think he'll probably get past this but it exposes just how easy he is to tear down. He positions himself as some kind of figure of integrity but his track record completely fails to back it up so it's very easy to get him caught up in some kind of performance to show off how much valour he has.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 09, 2022, 07:38:01 PM
When will Keir Starmer get to grips with the culture of rule-breaking in the Labour party? It's went up 300% during his time as leader. I'm not saying that Starmer is dishonest, but the culture he has allowed and nurtured within the party is. His claims that is has been "exaggerated" are clearly incorrect.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 09, 2022, 07:39:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1523730880551964674/h1BYQSXq?format=jpg&name=900x900)

He doesn't exactly look like a man who's fearing for his political future. Not that I'm doubting honest Keith of course.

Those fucking flags.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 07:43:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer

HAH
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 09, 2022, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Memorex MP3 on May 09, 2022, 07:33:22 PMwas Partygate actually as big of a deal to voters as Labour and the media pushed it as being?

The anger is understandable, but the ruling class is as the ruling class does.

They've just been a bit more brazen than usual about their disregard for the rule of law; in real terms it's a technicality at best.  It's not enough to make them fall, but it's being treated like it is because THE RULES THE RULES!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: elliszeroed on May 09, 2022, 08:32:39 PM
I is no political expert. But focusing on "partygate" and barely mentioning other issues was a poor move. He shoulda bundled it, with cost of living, covid (yes, it's still happening and affecting people!!), and Brexit fallout. He focused on one issue and it ended up backfiring. I don't know, I really don't.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 09, 2022, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: elliszeroed on May 09, 2022, 08:32:39 PMI is no political expert. But focusing on "partygate" and barely mentioning other issues was a poor move. He shoulda bundled it, with cost of living, covid (yes, it's still happening and affecting people!!), and Brexit fallout. He focused on one issue and it ended up backfiring. I don't know, I really don't.

Not allowed to mention the latter two because it harshes people's mellow.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 09, 2022, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 07:22:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1523329984932188162?t=slvOjJREDBTdBj6U5yGs0w&s=19

Shit, the guy is gone. There were plenty of hints going back before Corbyn.

Haters of Owen Jones must partly reflect on his eternally evergreen face. Christ, he looks about 9.
debating paul mason is elder abuse. the guy is clearly completely senile
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2022, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 09, 2022, 04:34:17 PMI wonder what Moya would suggest as the alternative though. Whilst some fines were based on outdated understanding of covid, such as fining people for eating outside, I think a lot of the covid fines were given out for good reasons such as businesses opening in defiance of the lockdowns. The worst responses to the coronavirus thread gives a good indication of this.

As for the "no one likes a snitch" subheading, does she think that covid rule breaking should just have been ignored? That there should have been no consequences for people like Johnson who broke the rules? I would imagine we would have an even higher body count if the rules had not been enforced. Telling people not to "snitch" - who does that benefit apart from the people who are putting others at risk?

I think it's one thing to say the covid rules were flawed and should have been changed, but I think her take is just nonsense and comes across as the sort of take you would find in the Spectator or another journal that sort to minimise covid. Would it have been worth thousands of more deaths a day for the cause of not "snitching" which seems to be mainly about letting people get away with being shitty to other people.

I would have liked to see the fines related to income though. And proper financial support for businesses and the general public. Maybe the article should have called for that instead.

I think the key point is that for all his law and order schtick, he has very little interest in ensuring that justice is served, he's more interested in ensuring the rule of law - however unfitting and unjust is upheld rather than reformed. We see it here, and we saw it when he was trying to make sure Gary McKinnon spent the rest of his life in an American military prison despite warnings he'd probably kill himself we also saw it when he ensured young people were sent to prison for nicking rice during the riots.

But worse still, I think it highlights another theme of him being quite authoritarian, yet quite happy to weasel out process that would see him in trouble - he's making a bluff here to skirt round it, and he also may have evaded the police when he hit the Deliveroo driver because he'd been drinking after playing football. And on a wider scale it's indicative of a cowardly leader who would order other people to do things they would not be prepared to do themselves, of course there are plenty of politicians like that, but the idea of him in charge of the military or the police fills me with dread.

I also wouldn't really project covid safety onto him either, the argument is all around whether he's broken the letter of the law rather than the spirit, and he's frequently been on the wrong side of safety guidance (schools anyone?) over the last couple of years, mostly taking positions for, erm, political gain.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 09, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 07:22:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1523329984932188162?t=slvOjJREDBTdBj6U5yGs0w&s=19

Shit, the guy is gone. There were plenty of hints going back before Corbyn.

Haters of Owen Jones must partly reflect on his eternally evergreen face. Christ, he looks about 9.

I was just watching the show. Mason is... incredible. Literally.

The discussion clipped from the full show has since been uploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvVAtDWdj2c
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Rich on May 09, 2022, 10:43:03 PM
The man was head of the CPS and is a lawyer by trade. If there's one thing you would imagine he had a good idea about it's whether he's broke the law and whether the police will pursue it. As such it's pretty clear he knows the outcome won't be a FPN. Which just makes the whole thing look like a piece of misjudged theatre. 

What does he gain from it? He would've got asked if he'd go if he was found guilty and could've just said 'yes' and got the same result without looking desperate for attention. I can't see how anyone who doesn't already sniff his farts is going to be impressed.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on May 10, 2022, 02:08:37 AM
Got a nice letter from bossy cop:

QuoteDear Blumf,

Ever since the first covid lockdown, I have always followed the rules.

In that time, the British people have made heart-wrenching sacrifices.

People were left desperately lonely.

They were separated from family and friends tragically, many were unable to see dying loved ones.

This was a collective sacrifice.

People were entitled to expect that politicians would follow the same rules as everyone else.

When my mother-in-law passed away suddenly just before the lockdown, my wife and I were unable to provide her father with the support we wanted to afterwards, because we followed the rules

Barely a day has passed where we haven't agonised over that decision, but we did it, because we followed the rules

We all found those rules frustrating at times -

And I'm no exception to that.

I had to isolate six times during covid, pulling me away from my work and the things that I love.

But I did it, because we followed the rules

The idea that I would then casually break those rules is wrong.

And frankly I don't believe those accusing me believe it themselves.

They are just trying to feed cynicism, to get the public to believe all politicians are the same.

I am here to say they're not.

I believe in honour, integrity and the principle that those who make the laws must follow them.

And I believe that politicians who undermine that principle, undermine trust in politics, undermine our democracy, and undermine Britain.

I am absolutely clear that no laws were broken.

They were followed at all times.

I simply had something to eat while working late in the evening.

As any politician would do days before an election.

But if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice,

I would, of course, do the right thing and step down.

This matters.

It matters because the British public deserve politicians who think the rules apply to them.

They deserve politicians who hold themselves to the highest standards.

And they deserve politicians who put the country first, rather than themselves.

They will always - always - get that from me.

Keir Starmer
Leader of the Labour Party

FOLLOW THE RULESSSSSSS!!!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 10, 2022, 02:13:41 AM
You know who else followed the rules? The SS.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on May 10, 2022, 02:18:27 AM
Quote from: greencalx on May 09, 2022, 05:20:30 PMHere's a Guardian hot take (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/09/boris-johnson-labour-keir-starmer-beer-election-results-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-627933ef8f081ca2bed696a8#block-627933ef8f081ca2bed696a8)



Reminds me of Chapo's Matt Christman saying something like liberals love Obama because he's like an anti-hero from one of their favourite Prestige TV shows.

Quote from: shoulders on May 09, 2022, 07:22:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1523329984932188162?t=slvOjJREDBTdBj6U5yGs0w&s=19

Shit, the guy is gone. There were plenty of hints going back before Corbyn.

Haters of Owen Jones must partly reflect on his eternally evergreen face. Christ, he looks about 9.

So expel critics of NATO but keep those who support arming Saudi Arabia. Would be interesting to see if Mason will tie himself in knots writing a quasi-Marxist Medium post defending what is blatantly a right-wing position.

And I'm afraid the "Putin talking point" itself is just correct, even if Russian propagandists are using it disingenuously.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on May 10, 2022, 02:38:23 AM
So tiresome, the only thing that could spice this up is if Duram police pull another Cummings and say yes he did break the restrictions but deem it not serious enough or insufficient mens rears were on display to issue a fine.

That'd be almost too delicious.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on May 10, 2022, 05:47:17 AM
Ooh actually from the constabulary's statement on Cummings:

QuoteIn line with Durham Constabulary's general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person.

Very cute, still fingers crossed for the funniest scenario.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 10, 2022, 09:03:39 AM
I think @Mr_Rich is on the money. Of course he knows he won't be fined, and even if he were, it doesn't buy any leverage with the torrid. (Phone autocorrected tories to torrid, it knows). Utterly pointless stunt and the opposite of prime ministerial.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 10, 2022, 09:15:42 AM
I love the idea that Kieth is putting pressure on Durham police, I mean what power does he have to do that exactly
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 10, 2022, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: pigamus on May 10, 2022, 09:15:42 AMI love the idea that Kieth is putting pressure on Durham police, I mean what power does he have to do that exactly

He did back Joy Allen who is the crime commissioner there. Dunno whether that means he can get her to do him a favour or not really.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on May 10, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
Nice little thread from Andrew Fisher abioout the 2017 manifesto leak.

https://twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1523932675647709185
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 10, 2022, 12:14:31 PM
Mr Rules, that's my name, that name again, is Mr Rules
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 10, 2022, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on May 10, 2022, 10:00:42 AMNice little thread from Andrew Fisher abioout the 2017 manifesto leak.

https://twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1523932675647709185

Interesting. It's possible Watson didn't leak it directly from his copy of the Manifesto but still was involved in it leaking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Chollis on May 10, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
we built this city
we built this city on following rules
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 10, 2022, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 10, 2022, 09:19:39 AMHe did back Joy Allen who is the crime commissioner there. Dunno whether that means he can get her to do him a favour or not really.

Nevertheless, they're going to be fucking livid that some politician has dragged them into a political squabble. They're supposed to be above politics even though it's obvious lying pig bullshit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on May 10, 2022, 03:44:33 PM
He's right fucked it ain't he?


Johnson back on top. A Queen's speech dedicated to nothing but the further creation of a far right dictatorship and he's got nothing to say.

Still, he'll be rewarded in time.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 10, 2022, 03:49:32 PM
Yeah, the bloke who oils the rack he's pulled apart on will have a sharp and incisive line in centrist chat.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 10, 2022, 05:10:03 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on May 10, 2022, 10:00:42 AMNice little thread from Andrew Fisher abioout the 2017 manifesto leak.

https://twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1523932675647709185

Actually scrap that. Don't want to get Neil into trouble.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 10, 2022, 05:28:49 PM
He didn't leak it did he?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Rich on May 10, 2022, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: jobotic on May 10, 2022, 03:44:33 PMHe's right fucked it ain't he?


Johnson back on top. A Queen's speech dedicated to nothing but the further creation of a far right dictatorship and he's got nothing to say.

Still, he'll be rewarded in time.

He's just terrible, plain and simple. I know it's YouGov but the movement here on their latest poll says it all:

LAB: 36% (-3)
CON: 35% (+2)
LDEM: 10% (-1)
GRN: 8% (+2)
REF: 4% (+1)

Against a backdrop of the prime minister breaking a law that he created himself this is beyond poor.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on May 10, 2022, 06:12:19 PM
Interesting Novara Media interview with the writer of a book about Starmer. Lots of stuff about basically what an awful man he's always been:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7gqvdJSOBw

JOB has been wanking himself silly recently about how Starmer pledging to stand down if he's fined shows what integrity he has. JOB now suddenly cares about Tory media bias against a Labour leader too.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 10, 2022, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: Mr_Rich on May 10, 2022, 06:01:31 PMHe's just terrible, plain and simple. I know it's YouGov but the movement here on their latest poll says it all:

LAB: 36% (-3)
CON: 35% (+2)
LDEM: 10% (-1)
GRN: 8% (+2)
REF: 4% (+1)

Against a backdrop of the prime minister breaking a law that he created himself this is beyond poor.


Keeping in mind Starmer isn't trying to win, these are the beige irrelevant results he's been hoping for.

No doubt we'll soon hear how it's all Green voters fault.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 10, 2022, 07:48:30 PM
It's my fault? Get in! In your face, so-called Starmer!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 10, 2022, 10:07:43 PM
https://twitter.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1524132334181797888

Keith done hard Brexit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 11, 2022, 04:41:00 AM
Quote from: shoulders on May 10, 2022, 07:08:25 PMKeeping in mind Starmer isn't trying to win, these are the beige irrelevant results he's been hoping for.

No doubt we'll soon hear how it's all Green voters fault.

Correct, the goal is to keep it neck and neck and don't rock the boat.

It's all the Greens fault though, whatever it is.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Rich on May 11, 2022, 07:37:25 AM
Quote from: jamiefairlie on May 11, 2022, 04:41:00 AMCorrect, the goal is to keep it neck and neck and don't rock the boat.

It's all the Greens fault though, whatever it is.

Keeping neck and neck would I indicate he had to occasionally do something positive. His only real winning tactic is when he does and says nothing. Reminding people he exists is a vote loser.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 11, 2022, 07:54:38 AM
Council results and polling indicate the Tories have lost support but that Labour aren't receiving much of it at all, in fact they're slightly losing support to Greens, and picking up a tiny fraction of Tory voters versus the Lib Dems.

Good thinking to tack to the right!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 11, 2022, 08:45:44 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 10, 2022, 10:07:43 PMhttps://twitter.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1524132334181797888

Keith done hard Brexit.

Definitely worth watching the full interview.

What Does Keir Starmer ACTUALLY Believe? | Aaron Bastani meets Oliver Eagleton | Downstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7gqvdJSOBw
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on May 11, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
Why are people on the left giggling about that Gove interview? I want to puch the cunt in the mouth (sorry Neil). I went to see a new family at work last week and the mum broke down stating she doesn't know how she'll cope and can only go food shopping when they put the yellow stickered stuff out. Her daughter's suicidal, there are no decent mental health services available, mum's suffering from anxiety and depression and she'd have put TV on this morning to see this gurning cretin treating everything like it's a joke. Bet it'll be on HIGNFY and the audience will piss themselves at a government minister going for lols while people starve.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 11, 2022, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 11, 2022, 08:45:44 AMDefinitely worth watching the full interview.

What Does Keir Starmer ACTUALLY Believe? | Aaron Bastani meets Oliver Eagleton | Downstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7gqvdJSOBw

I found that quite interesting, especially how quickly he irreversibly became an establishment man when getting near NI. And you can draw a straight-line through that to his top-down, national-interest-on-an-international-scale management of the DPP.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 11, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on May 11, 2022, 08:20:52 PMWhy are people on the left giggling about that Gove interview? I want to puch the cunt in the mouth (sorry Neil). I went to see a new family at work last week and the mum broke down stating she doesn't know how she'll cope and can only go food shopping when they put the yellow stickered stuff out. Her daughter's suicidal, there are no decent mental health services available, mum's suffering from anxiety and depression and she'd have put TV on this morning to see this gurning cretin treating everything like it's a joke. Bet it'll be on HIGNFY and the audience will piss themselves at a government minister going for lols while people starve.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61405638

The word 'Surkovian' comes to mind.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 07:19:34 AM
Also, if it's any consolation, hzj, genuine left wing commentators weren't laughing:

https://youtu.be/ht3-CDLONzs?t=1723
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 12, 2022, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 11, 2022, 08:23:44 PMI found that quite interesting, especially how quickly he irreversibly became an establishment man when getting near NI. And you can draw a straight-line through that to his top-down, national-interest-on-an-international-scale management of the DPP.

Fucking hell, that bit where Gavin Barwell puts forward Starmer's own Brexit proposal (that he pitched to them a couple of days before) to him and Starmer is totally dismissive of it, saying "There is no way we would accept this ridiculous proposal".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 11:45:10 AM
Forensic.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 12, 2022, 12:11:29 PM
Have they just taken Barwell's word for it though?  Because that cunt is Major General Hindsight if ever there was one (everyone involved in May's disastrous premiership has grabbed the opportunity Johnson has given them to launder their reputation with both hands and their close relative's hands if also available).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 12:25:00 PM
I guess Kieth will be suing Barwell for libel, then.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: Psybro on May 12, 2022, 12:11:29 PMHave they just taken Barwell's word for it though?  Because that cunt is Major General Hindsight if ever there was one (everyone involved in May's disastrous premiership has grabbed the opportunity Johnson has given them to launder their reputation with both hands and their close relative's hands if also available).

It does ring true though - Starmer and the Labour frontbench were guilty of parliamentary tricks and acting as if the chaos was all just an opportunity to collapse the government and somehow take over. In hindsight, incredibly short-sighted and foolish.

----
 
Pretty galling that even the New Statesman thinks Starmer isn't offering enough: https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/leader-keir-starmer-is-under-pressure

But this article reflects my current predictions (current politics has an echo of the 1970s). If things stay more or less the same, Starmer "wins" the next election in extremely uninspiring circumstances:

Quote from: https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/why-keir-starmer-is-still-on-course-to-become-prime-ministerA more confident opposition, one that was on course to storm the election, would be forthcoming on these questions. Labour needs to go further, faster. Its senior personnel need to repeat what they have done and why, over and over, even if they feel they are beating their own party up. They will face the Lansley problem if they don't. But if they don't — and plenty of the shadow cabinet don't really want to — it might not matter as much as all that. Durham Constabulary might yet make a mockery of this prediction but, barring disaster, Keir Starmer is on course to be Labour's first prime minister in a decade and a half.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 12, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
I think Barwell's meetings were after the (shudder) indicative votes where Labour (Starmer included) did vote for Clarke's customs union motion, but were scuppered by a few Labour MPs including Owen Smith, the Lib Dems and TIG.  So I don't think we can attribute blame for hard Brexit solely on those meetings, as whatever came out of them was always going to struggle to pass regardless.

But what the story tells us about Starmer still seems true enough.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 12, 2022, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 12:44:24 PMIt does ring true though - Starmer and the Labour frontbench were guilty of parliamentary tricks and acting as if the chaos was all just an opportunity to collapse the government and somehow take over. In hindsight, incredibly short-sighted and foolish.

That apparent attempt to nickel-and-dime their way to power (implicitly needing Corbyn to give up and go away as the anti-Corbyn majority was bigger than the anti-Government one) is symptomatic of the incrementalist way the continuity Miliband people running the party think.

They're not motivated by any great desire to sweep the Tories out of power with a reforming agenda, they want to rearrange the furniture whilst nobody's looking so we wake up and they're in charge one day.  That's why they're so obsessed with derivative stylistic ways of looking/speaking - politics as the Pepsi Challenge.

What they actually do when they're in charge will simply be informed by events at the time - they're the proverbial dog chasing a car.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 12, 2022, 01:28:34 PM
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/burnham-pledges-to-develop-publicly-controlled-rail-at-aslef-drivers-union

Morning Star giving some centrists good press. Can't fault them for fairness 🙃
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 12, 2022, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 12:44:24 PMBut this article reflects my current predictions (current politics has an echo of the 1970s). If things stay more or less the same, Starmer "wins" the next election in extremely uninspiring circumstances:

No chance. The Tories being the largest party is the absolute best you can hope for.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 12, 2022, 01:47:26 PM
Agreed. Partial collapse in support for the Tories has not resulted in that crossing over to Labour.  Thanks to Starmer making Labour unpalatable for pretty much every floating contingency.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: pigamus on May 12, 2022, 01:39:58 PMNo chance. The Tories being the largest party is the absolute best you can hope for.

If the Tories lose their majority at the next GE, even if they're still largest party, there's no guarantee they'd form the next government. Not even the DUP would support them now and an anti-Tory majority with Labour at the top could be on the cards. It would be messy but based on current trends it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 03:36:43 PMNot even the DUP would support them now

lol. Even the Lib Dems would fold to hear the sound of a limousine door click.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 12, 2022, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 03:39:13 PMlol. Even the Lib Dems would fold to hear the sound of a limousine door click.

Yeah, when it counts they'll all rally round the fleg.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 12, 2022, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 03:39:13 PMlol. Even the Lib Dems would fold to hear the sound of a limousine door click.

He ain't wrong. I think if Moran had got the leadership it'd be less likely but Davey fucking loved austerity and selling the Post Office for buttons.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: suelgi on May 12, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
Starmer was definitely a wrecker during the talks but I'd take the Barwell stuff with a pinch of salt. Political books are full of stuff like that, like the bits in "Left Out" where they twist things to make Corbyn look thick.

The Barwell was actually referenced in the house in 2019. Funny to see Corbyn telling him to get up & defend himself. Starmer looks fucking pissed, the head on him at the end!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 12, 2022, 04:29:51 PM
I'm sure that there were other people in the room who could corroborate it, I doubt Eagleton would have attributed it to him if this wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 03:39:13 PMlol. Even the Lib Dems would fold to hear the sound of a limousine door click.

In that case it would be limousine cars of a Labour-led government, that's my point. They've learnt their lesson from their near-death experience thanks to the coalition years. They are attracting loads of Toryish voters who hate Johnson and Starmer doesn't scare them like Corbyn did.

Lib Dems would not support Johnson in a minority government - another leader, well, it's possible but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 12, 2022, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 12, 2022, 03:39:13 PMlol. Even the Lib Dems would fold to hear the sound of a limousine door click.

I think the funniest outcome would be if Starmer Frank-Spencered his way out of forming a coalition with the SNP by trying to look hard in England only to get pummelled in round 2.

Long term it would be less funny. But on the day I'd laugh my brambles off.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 12, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Ignore.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on May 12, 2022, 06:54:45 PM
It's probably stupid of me but I'm put off electoral reform by all the fbpe types clamouring for it. Wouldn't it be the best way for the left to get representation in government though? That's why I'm thinking that suffering a short term lib dem /labour coalition may be a best option as the former would surely insist on pr or whatever if they were to support Starmer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 12, 2022, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on May 12, 2022, 06:54:45 PMIt's probably stupid of me but I'm put off electoral reform by all the fbpe types clamouring for it. Wouldn't it be the best way for the left to get representation in government though? That's why I'm thinking that suffering a short term lib dem /labour coalition may be a best option as the former would surely insist on pr or whatever if they were to support Starmer.

In 2015 PR would have yielded over 50% of parliament being UKIP or the Tories (with significant representation for Greens) however that is analysis in a vacuum, or a gap in the blinds, depending on your metaphorical preference. .

We can assume the political strategy of both Tories and Labour would have to alter and yield different outcomes to that.

Under PR, UKIP would have marmalised the Tories and we'd have had the Brexit shitfit years earlier.

Effectively PR means more democracy but as with all policies it needs support from a raft of others. Open selection of MPs. Media regulation a la Leveson 2?

Things are locked in place for one reason and that is consolidation of power. Labour are complicit with the Tories in maintaining the two party system even though it is one they hardly ever win in. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 12, 2022, 05:15:45 PMI think the funniest outcome would be if Starmer Frank-Spencered his way out of forming a coalition with the SNP by trying to look hard in England only to get pummelled in round 2.

Long term it would be less funny. But on the day I'd laugh my brambles off.

Labour wouldn't enter into a coalition with the SNP. They'd probably rely on SNP support without offering anything, the gamble being the SNP wouldn't want to block or bring down a non-Tory government - which would probably work. SNP could end up torpedoing a Labour government after a while like in 1979, but I'm getting ahead of myself now...

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on May 12, 2022, 06:54:45 PMIt's probably stupid of me but I'm put off electoral reform by all the fbpe types clamouring for it. Wouldn't it be the best way for the left to get representation in government though? That's why I'm thinking that suffering a short term lib dem /labour coalition may be a best option as the former would surely insist on pr or whatever if they were to support Starmer.

I would love to see PR implemented. It would split parties but so what? Our party political system needs a shake-up. On a basic democratic principle, UKIP deserved to have MPs based on how many votes they got, same for Greens. The problem is MPs would have to vote for it and they never would - there are too many of them for whom link to their constituency is sacrosanct, the self-centred dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 12, 2022, 09:54:25 PM
In a scenario where the Tories have most MPs but no majority, I could see this Labour party choosing to allow them to stay in No 10 as a minority government to avoid looking "weak" by relying on votes from other parties to get into power, voting down the next Budget and then watching the electorate return a rock solid Tory majority in a snap election.  Because grown-ups.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 12, 2022, 09:57:57 PM
Quote from: Psybro on May 12, 2022, 09:54:25 PMIn a scenario where the Tories have most MPs but no majority, I could see this Labour party choosing to allow them to stay in No 10 as a minority government to avoid looking "weak" by relying on votes from other parties to get into power
that would be in keeping with their current cargo cult style
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on May 13, 2022, 06:36:11 AM
Oh FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/13/tony-blair-tells-keir-starmer-to-drop-woke-politics-and-focus-on-economy-labour (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/13/tony-blair-tells-keir-starmer-to-drop-woke-politics-and-focus-on-economy-labour)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on May 13, 2022, 06:51:58 AM
What a fucking rube.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 13, 2022, 07:06:09 AM
QuoteAs an example of the kind of radical policy he would like to see, Blair suggests tackling concerns about illegal immigration by introducing biometric ID as a precondition for accessing work and public services

He really is a more disgusting piece of shit
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 13, 2022, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: shoulders on May 12, 2022, 07:03:02 PMIn 2015 PR would have yielded over 50% of parliament being UKIP or the Tories (with significant representation for Greens) however that is analysis in a vacuum, or a gap in the blinds, depending on your metaphorical preference. .

That could be a very useful point in the argument actually - pointing out that Nigel Farage was robbed. Harder for the Daily Mail to argue with!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on May 13, 2022, 07:38:03 AM
It really is about time the party of Rosie Duffield stopped bending over backwards for the transes
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: The Dog on May 13, 2022, 08:27:31 AM
Yes Tony let's focus on economic policy

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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on May 13, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
Great idea, Tone. Let's focus on making it harder for people to access work and public services. Amazing that this is listed as a "radical" idea, when:

QuoteFor the last five years' core homelessness has been rising year on year in England, reaching a peak just before the pandemic when the numbers of homeless households jumped from 207,600 in 2018 to over 219,000 at the end of 2019. By the end of 2021, 227,000 households across Britain were experiencing the worst forms of homelessness.

QuoteFor the first time outside of the first year of the pandemic, food banks in the Trussell Trust network have distributed over 2.1 million food parcels in 2021-22.

Quote6,358,050 people currently on an NHS waiting list. 306,286 of these have been waiting over 52 weeks

What a guy ghoul.


Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 09:19:21 AM
He really is desperate for that id database still then. When he was in gov it was for surveillance reasons, what does he get out of it now?

I think every job I've taken has required me to supply my biometric passport as proof I can work (I know there are other ways), the biometric part has been meaningless admittedly because all anyone has ever done with it is photocopy it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on May 13, 2022, 09:33:26 AM
The only people who focus on "woke" stuff are right wingers. What have Labour said or done in the last couple of years that is in any way "woke"?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on May 13, 2022, 09:33:26 AMThe only people who focus on "woke" stuff are right wingers. What have Labour said or done in the last couple of years that is in any way "woke"?

I think the answer to that would be remarkably similar to "What have Labour said or done in the last couple of years?".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 09:49:05 AM
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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on May 13, 2022, 09:53:39 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on May 13, 2022, 09:33:26 AMThe only people who focus on "woke" stuff are right wingers. What have Labour said or done in the last couple of years that is in any way "woke"?

From reading the article, the answer appears to be "Not been instantly dismissive of the existence of trans people."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on May 13, 2022, 10:10:18 AM
The only time I have heard even left wing people talk about "woke" stuff is in response either to questions from right wingers about our supposed obsession with "woke" or when some right wing cunt says or does something awful about a minority. As far as I can see most left wing people are more interested in general social and economic change than anything, though twats probably think that is woke

Want less homeless people? Fucking snowflake
Think young people should be able to afford housing? Virtue signalling
Think food banks are a sign of a failing government? Woke stasi!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 13, 2022, 10:37:40 AM
OJ's just tweeted that the entire Wakefield CLP has resigned in protest at the national Labour Party breaking its own rules and refusing to let local members freely choose they're own candidate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 13, 2022, 10:37:40 AMOJ's just tweeted that the entire Wakefield CLP has resigned in protest at the national Labour Party breaking its own rules and refusing to let local members freely choose they're own candidate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSoQQqeWQAEduKX?format=png&name=small)

Taking the piss really aren't they.

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1525046748900732928
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on May 13, 2022, 11:05:32 AM
Regarding "electoral reform" - what England really needs is some actual local governments, not fiddling about the details of how the Westminster administration is put together.

Whether this is more or less likely to happen in our lifetimes, I don't know. It depends on a two-stage process whereby either the Tories or Labour reckon that they can invent a new layer of government where they can lock-in electoral victories for the foreseeable future, and events conspiring for that layer to actually be able to demand some real power for itself. (The devolved governments are still struggling towards the second of these, not always very willingly.)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on May 13, 2022, 11:08:47 AM
On that note:
(https://i.imgur.com/hSwHp4F.png)

(Other options for weak lights in the darkness include Burnham and tram-trains.)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 11:12:06 AM
There's a man who saw Day of the Triffids at too early an age.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on May 13, 2022, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 10:58:22 AMTaking the piss really aren't they.

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1525046748900732928
Wasn't a decent chunk of why the Tories done so well in 2019 that they took a punt on local weirdos against Labour MPs that were parachuted into presumed safe seats years ago?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Rich on May 13, 2022, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 12, 2022, 05:08:06 PMIn that case it would be limousine cars of a Labour-led government, that's my point. They've learnt their lesson from their near-death experience thanks to the coalition years. They are attracting loads of Toryish voters who hate Johnson and Starmer doesn't scare them like Corbyn did.

Lib Dems would not support Johnson in a minority government - another leader, well, it's possible but I doubt it.

I think you're wildly optimistic about the Lib Dems here. They'd chauffeur the limo for Johnson. It'll always fall back to the selfishness of greed for them over social libertarianism 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 13, 2022, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Memorex MP3 on May 13, 2022, 11:14:19 AMWasn't a decent chunk of why the Tories done so well in 2019 that they took a punt on local weirdos against Labour MPs that were parachuted into presumed safe seats years ago?

Which is why Imran Ahmad Khan, the local Tory nonce beat Mary Creagh, who'd made herself incredibly unpopular since being parachuted in, and who was within a gnat's ball hair of joining Tinge, in 2019.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 13, 2022, 11:33:41 AM
QuoteDuring the 2017 general election, Creagh was reported as writing to constituents to say that her team had been "speaking to people in your street" who had told them they had "more confidence in Theresa May as Prime Minister than Jeremy Corbyn," predicted a large Tory majority and called for a vote for them as individuals while promising to "work for a Labour Party that can once again regain your confidence."

9.4% swing to her in 2017.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 13, 2022, 12:16:41 PM
Lmao she got a CBE for her part in defeating the menace of jumbly crumbly
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on May 13, 2022, 09:33:26 AMThe only people who focus on "woke" stuff are right wingers. What have Labour said or done in the last couple of years that is in any way "woke"?

To be fair Tony never went to woke Eton like all the Tories.
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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on May 13, 2022, 04:58:55 PM
https://twitter.com/DogoKuno/status/1522493027834646528
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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 13, 2022, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 13, 2022, 12:32:05 PMTo be fair Tony never went to woke Eton like all the Tories.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSomLPwWIAAVE9J?format=jpg&name=small)
Eton's hunt is temporarily suspended because they can't find anyone to look after their hounds, and they've had to send them away to kennels (£50,000 a term, top hats optional). This is naturally the end of the world. If the Tab thinks you're posh cunts, you've got problems (https://thetab.com/uk/2022/05/04/eton-school-boys-stage-massive-protest-after-school-threatens-to-ban-hunting-club-tiktok-249685).

Tony Blair is jealous because he went to Fettes which doesn't have a hunting society, much as I'd like to watch Fettes' sixth form ride through Muirhouse pursued by a mob on dirt-bikes firing air-guns.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 14, 2022, 12:22:07 AM
Quote from: Mr_Rich on May 13, 2022, 11:22:45 AMI think you're wildly optimistic about the Lib Dems here. They'd chauffeur the limo for Johnson. It'll always fall back to the selfishness of greed for them over social libertarianism 

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 14, 2022, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: SpiderChrist on May 13, 2022, 06:36:11 AMOh FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/13/tony-blair-tells-keir-starmer-to-drop-woke-politics-and-focus-on-economy-labour (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/13/tony-blair-tells-keir-starmer-to-drop-woke-politics-and-focus-on-economy-labour)


QuoteA clearer frontbench line has since been agreed, resulting in the shadow health secretary, Wes Streeting, telling an interviewer: "Men have penises, women have vaginas, here ends my biology lesson."

The transphobic Graun, there, ignoring Emily Thornberry.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 14, 2022, 12:31:38 AM
The front bench are also united on the idea that Khan's weed stuff is awful, putting them to the right of Tories including William Hague.

(https://i.imgur.com/hczrfDS.png)

https://twitter.com/largacty1/status/1525217818760957954

url to nested indie article: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-mps-are-furious-with-sadiq-khan-but-his-drugs-policy-could-work-1629862
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on May 14, 2022, 12:54:11 AM
It's weird how strongly the anti-drug sentiment is with the Labour right. One of the few consistent stances they hold.

Wide open goal for the Tories, legalise cannabis, tax it. (apparently £10 billion in tax for tobacco, £13b for booze. Could see weed being similar)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 14, 2022, 01:06:35 AM
Quote from: Blumf on May 14, 2022, 12:54:11 AMIt's weird how strongly the anti-drug sentiment is with the Labour right. One of the few consistent stances they hold.

They do look like the kind of spods who probably got sold an oxo cube in university.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on May 14, 2022, 01:20:24 AM
From that "police steal the park" thread a few weeks ago I looked around some of the various local constabularies twitter feeds, almost all of them were obsessed with the 'country lines' stories and associated mugshots as their main thrust of communication,

I expect most of the voters that Labour are metamorphizing to get the vote of are absolutely stewing in that kind of news, hence "Bucket of cold sick in the suburbs".

As a side note when I moved to leafy hell a few years ago I kept some of my packaging mess in one of the front rooms with the blinds drawn for a few weeks, only to get a visit from a neighbour suggesting I "Open them up as everyone is saying you're growing drugs" so the paranoia around it is definitely widerife.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 14, 2022, 01:30:34 AM
lol at the neighbours.

Are the provincial forces making false-equivalences between the (real, bad and dangerous) county lines stuff and the cases where they burst open someone's front door for less than a half-ounce of weed and then gleefully post it up on social media only to get called a bunch of heavy-handed wankers?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on May 14, 2022, 01:37:58 AM
Most of the concrete stories were of one or two people getting nicked with sad looking mugshots.
Mixed in with guides on how to tell if your child is being groomed by a gang to become a runner or to be aware of the warning signs of locals getting cuckooed.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 14, 2022, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: Blumf on May 14, 2022, 12:54:11 AMIt's weird how strongly the anti-drug sentiment is with the Labour right. One of the few consistent stances they hold.

Wide open goal for the Tories, legalise cannabis, tax it. (apparently £10 billion in tax for tobacco, £13b for booze. Could see weed being similar)
Whereas Blair (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/16/how-britain-got-the-gambling-bug) was "liberalise gambling! who cares about addiction! get the tax money!"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 14, 2022, 11:48:54 AM
COUNTY LINES WOULDNT BE A THING IF YOU LEGALISED IT

.... but county lines
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on May 15, 2022, 01:11:25 PM
I read somewhere that the UK is the world's biggest exporter of legal cannabis. Is that true?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on May 15, 2022, 02:25:01 PM
Certainly used to be the case:

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/uk-worlds-biggest-producer-exporter-legal-cannabis-132568 (https://inews.co.uk/news/health/uk-worlds-biggest-producer-exporter-legal-cannabis-132568)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 15, 2022, 03:26:18 PM
One of my pals is on medicinal weed (after years of being an illicit stoner) and he reckons it's not great.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 15, 2022, 06:45:43 PM
Quote from: SpiderChrist on May 15, 2022, 02:25:01 PMCertainly used to be the case:

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/uk-worlds-biggest-producer-exporter-legal-cannabis-132568 (https://inews.co.uk/news/health/uk-worlds-biggest-producer-exporter-legal-cannabis-132568)

Canada legalized it in 2018 so suspect we've got the UK beat at this point.

If you drive through southern Ontario, you see the greenhouses everywhere. There are some huge grow-ops about 30 minutes drive from me that got a shitload of federal and provincial funding in the last few years.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 15, 2022, 08:02:53 PM
Here's the last bit of the Guardian report on the Wakefield CLP executive walking out due to the NEC parachuting candidates in

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/15/wakefield-labour-party-walks-out-of-final-vote-on-bylection-candidateA senior Labour official hit back at the claims, saying: "A small clique of Corbynites had held the local party to ransom. Lots of members there today aren't just confident and looking forward to the campaign, but also the fresh start it provides.

"We're seeing this across the country in the party: under Corbyn, many of our longstanding campaigners were bullied out or just had enough. They are coming back and new people are getting involved."

Now I can't speak for all CLPs, but the number attending meetings is way less than it was during the Corbyn era. Now it might be because they're online now – but generally, online is supposed to make it easier for people to attend.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 15, 2022, 08:49:09 PM
^if you believe that, I've got a lovely bridge you might like to buy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on May 16, 2022, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: greencalx on May 15, 2022, 08:02:53 PMHere's the last bit of the Guardian report on the Wakefield CLP executive walking out due to the NEC parachuting candidates in

Now I can't speak for all CLPs, but the number attending meetings is way less than it was during the Corbyn era. Now it might be because they're online now – but generally, online is supposed to make it easier for people to attend.

What are you still doing going to CLP meetings? The Wakefield situation just shows what an utterly pointless waste of your time it is.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on May 16, 2022, 03:05:26 PM
I still get emails from the CLP despite my resignation, including minutes of the meetings + attendee list. Please don't infer anything I didn't write.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on May 16, 2022, 03:31:11 PM
I've seriously been thining of attending random CLP meetings with a Corbyn T-shirt on, just for the lols
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 16, 2022, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: Mr_Simnock on May 16, 2022, 03:31:11 PMI've seriously been thining of attending random CLP meetings with a Corbyn T-shirt on, just for the lols

These days, arrested, thrown, jail, etc
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 16, 2022, 03:57:08 PM
Quote from: Blumf on May 14, 2022, 12:54:11 AMIt's weird how strongly the anti-drug sentiment is with the Labour right. One of the few consistent stances they hold.

Wide open goal for the Tories, legalise cannabis, tax it. (apparently £10 billion in tax for tobacco, £13b for booze. Could see weed being similar)

Yeah, they'd definitely fuck it up though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on May 16, 2022, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: Mr_Simnock on May 16, 2022, 03:31:11 PMI've seriously been thining of attending random CLP meetings with a Corbyn T-shirt on, just for the lols

I wore this one a few times to my CLP:

(https://letn-media.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/catalogue/ENVIRON-CTR-PURGE-BLADE-RUNNER-ALIEN-INSPIRED-FITTED-TSHIRT-BY-LAST-EXIT-TO-NOWHERE-RED-THUMB.jpg)

Because I like the films Blade Runner and Alien, obviously.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 16, 2022, 04:47:47 PM
Quote from: greencalx on May 16, 2022, 03:05:26 PMI still get emails from the CLP despite my resignation, including minutes of the meetings + attendee list. Please don't infer anything I didn't write.

Hahaha! I see the pompous arse hasn't replied.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on May 16, 2022, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 16, 2022, 04:47:47 PMHahaha! I see the pompous arse hasn't replied.

I've moved on, I'm afraid. Can't even remember what this is about.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 16, 2022, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: pancreas on May 16, 2022, 05:56:43 PMI've moved on, I'm afraid. Can't even remember what this is about.

Of course you have. It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 18, 2022, 11:02:27 AM
QuoteNEW: Labour has told frontbenchers not to travel to campaign for the forthcoming Tiverton and Honiton by-election in an apparent bid to give the Lib Dems a better chance of victory over the Tories

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1526862338292334599 / https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-frontbenchers-told-to-stay-away-from-tiverton-honiton-let-lib-dems-tories-byelection

Interesting, Labour came second in the last two elections but third prior to that, the seat was only invented in 1997. Stepping aside for a party that got 8% 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on May 18, 2022, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 18, 2022, 11:02:27 AMhttps://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1526862338292334599 / https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-frontbenchers-told-to-stay-away-from-tiverton-honiton-let-lib-dems-tories-byelection

Interesting, Labour came second in the last two elections but third prior to that, the seat was only invented in 1997. Stepping aside for a party that got 8% 5 years ago.

And during the Cameron v Miliband election; it was UKIP they finished third to as opposed to Lib Dems. So three elections in a row  they have outperformed the Lib Dems.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on May 18, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Jonathan Cook: Keir Starmer has returned western imperialism to the core of Labour policy
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/keir-starmer-western-imperialism-back-core-labour-policy
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 18, 2022, 12:00:43 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 18, 2022, 11:02:27 AMhttps://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1526862338292334599 / https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-frontbenchers-told-to-stay-away-from-tiverton-honiton-let-lib-dems-tories-byelection

Interesting, Labour came second in the last two elections but third prior to that, the seat was only invented in 1997. Stepping aside for a party that got 8% 5 years ago.


They sure are determined to win over tory voters to Labour, aren't they?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 18, 2022, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 18, 2022, 11:02:27 AMhttps://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1526862338292334599 / https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-frontbenchers-told-to-stay-away-from-tiverton-honiton-let-lib-dems-tories-byelection

Interesting, Labour came second in the last two elections but third prior to that, the seat was only invented in 1997. Stepping aside for a party that got 8% 5 years ago.


Managing expectations for when they do badly and/or concentrating on Wakefield as the local CLP won't be much help there now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on May 18, 2022, 02:19:11 PM
Right move to not even bother with that seat tbh, unless there's some massive local movement or something. Tories have consistently done 30%+ over Labour there, even in 2017.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 18, 2022, 02:36:04 PM
You'd have thought they'd send at least one bigwig along for local CLP morale.

But then again, they are skint.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 18, 2022, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: Memorex MP3 on May 18, 2022, 02:19:11 PMRight move to not even bother with that seat tbh, unless there's some massive local movement or something. Tories have consistently done 30%+ over Labour there, even in 2017.


I don't know what this means. Labour, even this set, are more than capable of funding 2 by elections. They have more chance than a party who have continually finished behind them. Plus local campaigning is about gaining momentum in councillors and building important allies in community groups who seed that impression among their network. It is not about Yvette Cooper walking through a shopping centre. The results of recent years are a platform.

Even so, I'm all for LD/Labour standing aside in constituencies where there's a viable target to take down. This doesn't appear to be one and we are kissing goodbye to years of hard work getting a foothold in the area.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 18, 2022, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 18, 2022, 02:36:04 PMYou'd have thought they'd send at least one bigwig along for local CLP morale.

But then again, they are skint.

They've already stuck two fingers up at them and will probably unable to answer with anything beyond "fuck you, that's why".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on May 18, 2022, 06:08:39 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 18, 2022, 03:17:30 PMI don't know what this means. Labour, even this set, are more than capable of funding 2 by elections. They have more chance than a party who have continually finished behind them. Plus local campaigning is about gaining momentum in councillors and building important allies in community groups who seed that impression among their network. It is not about Yvette Cooper walking through a shopping centre. The results of recent years are a platform.

Even so, I'm all for LD/Labour standing aside in constituencies where there's a viable target to take down. This doesn't appear to be one and we are kissing goodbye to years of hard work getting a foothold in the area.
Yes it is, and Labour don't seem to have much of anything in that regard in the area at the moment from what I've seen whereas the Lib Dems do and have done since forever.

Whatever kind of foothold they got in 2017 was pissed away in 2019 and this Labour party isn't gonna regain a bit of it when they're just offering a different flavour of Lib Dem in an area where the Lib Dems already have a strong local presence.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 18, 2022, 06:15:03 PM
That is a reason for them not to stand anywhere though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 18, 2022, 06:28:01 PM
there are umpteen things to criticise this current labour party for, but leaving the lib dems a free run at the Tiverton by-election is not one of them. the last two elections Labour were second, but historically and culturally the south west of England is much more comfortable with lib Dem as alternative to Tories and they're finally recovering post-coalition. it's still a massive majority to overcome but the the lib dem by-election machine should see to that. it also means labour get a free run at Wakefield which they should win but don't want to take anything for granted.

it's a useful indicator of how the next GE should shape up. thank God the two main non-Tory parties are being realistic about their prospects.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 18, 2022, 06:46:04 PM
Quote from: Memorex MP3 on May 18, 2022, 06:08:39 PMPlus local campaigning is about gaining momentum in councillors and building important allies in community groups who seed that impression among their network

Ah yeah, they had local campaigning strategy didn't they? Get rid, mate. Tainted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 19, 2022, 12:03:32 AM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 18, 2022, 06:28:01 PMthere are umpteen things to criticise this current labour party for, but leaving the lib dems a free run at the Tiverton by-election is not one of them. the last two elections Labour were second, but historically and culturally the south west of England is much more comfortable with lib Dem as alternative to Tories and they're finally recovering post-coalition. it's still a massive majority to overcome but the the lib dem by-election machine should see to that. it also means labour get a free run at Wakefield which they should win but don't want to take anything for granted.

it's a useful indicator of how the next GE should shape up. thank God the two main non-Tory parties are being realistic about their prospects.

This is bollocks from beginning to end.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on May 19, 2022, 02:25:54 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 19, 2022, 12:03:32 AMThis is bollocks from beginning to end.

save that for your grave stone
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on May 19, 2022, 08:35:42 AM
It is crazy to me that all the aggression in the party comes from the right, from the current purges to the sabotage that happened under Corbyn, whereas he was always accommodating to the right (maybe too much) by having a fairly mixed shadow cabinet. But popular opinion seems to be at the very least that both sides are as bad as each other and more often that the force is coming from the left. Now I know the reasons behind this (right wing media, vested interested etc.) and I know certain factions on the left are more interested in ideological purity more than winning people over with persuasive argument or any sort of compromise, but I am just surprised and saddened sometimes that more people don't see through it
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 19, 2022, 12:03:32 AMThis is bollocks from beginning to end.

The only flaw is the notion that the Lib-Dems represent an alternative to the Tories. It's a pretty important flaw, but it isn't 'bollocks from beginning to end'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 19, 2022, 09:15:22 AM
I'm not exactly thrilled by the prospect of more Lib Dems but it does make sense. No point splitting the vote.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
It's fine if you want privatisation and surrender to capital to continue while the state is hollowed out by people who lay plaudits on the poor and minority people they're killing with the other hand.

Does absolutely nothing to address the actual problems though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 09:27:58 AM
The Lib Dems are without any doubt whatsoever the most successful confidence trick ever played in British politics.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 19, 2022, 09:54:30 AM
Exactly, and their choice of former Coalition minister Ed Davy over the less right wing Layla Moran shows their members will be happy to go back into coalition with the Tory party when it chooses someone like Ben Wallace or Jeremy Hunt as leader in 2030.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 19, 2022, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 09:11:45 AMThe only flaw is the notion that the Lib-Dems represent an alternative to the Tories. It's a pretty important flaw, but it isn't 'bollocks from beginning to end'.

It really is bollocks from beginning to end.

Quotethere are umpteen things to criticise this current labour party for, but leaving the lib dems a free run at the Tiverton by-election is not one of them.

You've already covered this, I feel.

Quotethe last two elections Labour were second, but historically and culturally the south west of England is much more comfortable with lib Dem as alternative to Tories

That contradicts both itself and the evidence.

Quoteit's still a massive majority to overcome but the the lib dem by-election machine should see to that.

'Should' doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Quoteit also means labour get a free run at Wakefield which they should win but don't want to take anything for granted.

Why does this have anything to do with Wakefield? Are Labour unable to commit the resources to fighting two by-elections at the same time? Also, look what focusing on Wakefield has involved so far: rule-breaking in order to get the preferred Westminster candidate parachuted in. The very definition of taking the electorate for granted.

Quoteit's a useful indicator of how the next GE should shape up.

Imran Khan was convicted of sexually assaulting a teenage boy. A GE could be two years away. In what way will this by-election be a useful indicator?

Quotethank God the two main non-Tory parties are being realistic about their prospects.

Westminster Labour abandoning the local party and its voters, leaving them with the option of voting for the repugnant and distant third Lib Dems or not voting at all. How very realistic and grown-up.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 09:27:58 AMThe Lib Dems are without any doubt whatsoever the most successful confidence trick ever played in British politics.

What, more than blairism which by his own admission relied on a bait and switch on working class voters ('they'll have nowhere else to go'), returned a majority several times and advanced the privatisation and hollowing with its own hands to the point it made the ld's look superficially left-wing by comparison?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 19, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 19, 2022, 09:58:21 AMThat contradicts both itself and the evidence.

Outside the bigger towns and cities, SW England was pretty much the Lib Dems stronghold until 2015. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Quote'Should' doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

They overturned a similarly massive majority in Shropshire (from third place) - they are strong favourites to win it.

QuoteWhy does this have anything to do with Wakefield? Are Labour unable to commit the resources to fighting two by-elections at the same time? Also, look what focusing on Wakefield has involved so far: rule-breaking in order to get the preferred Westminster candidate parachuted in. The very definition of taking the electorate for granted.

Yep, pretty much. They would prefer to expend scant resources on a seat that they are likelier to win.

Exactly how a party chooses a candidate has little influence on whether or not the broader electorate vote for them. A stitch-up can lead to crap candidates but the candidate is what loses votes, not internal selections.

QuoteImran Khan was convicted of sexually assaulting a teenage boy. A GE could be two years away. In what way will this by-election be a useful indicator?

Westminster Labour abandoning the local party and its voters, leaving them with the option of voting for the repugnant and distant third Lib Dems or not voting at all. How very realistic and grown-up.

Labour and Lib Dems, due to low resources and basic arithmetic, are only going for the seats they think they can win. In 2019, the Lib Dems drank the Remain Kool-aid and thought they could end up the biggest party. Labour tried to advance on 2017 gains before making a defensive retreat during the second half of the campaign when they felt the red Wall shifting beneath their feet. Both parties' campaigns and lack of any kind of subtle cooperation meant they lost seats to the Tories. It looks like both parties have learnt their lesson and next GE should be different.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 19, 2022, 01:27:31 PM
It is a bit galling how the Lib Dems are so anonymous and invisible and shit and yet they're guaranteed to do well just by not being the other two.  You wonder what's the point in having policies at all
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 10:03:44 AMWhat, more than blairism which by his own admission relied on a bait and switch on working class voters ('they'll have nowhere else to go'), returned a majority several times and advanced the privatisation and hollowing with its own hands to the point it made the ld's look superficially left-wing by comparison?

Oh, yeah. Apart from that :)

I think most people have seen through Blair by now though, whereas a lot of people still seem to think that the Lib Dems would be preferable to the Tories. They wouldn't. They'd protect or accelerate all the things that the Tories are wrecking.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on May 19, 2022, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Blinder Data on May 19, 2022, 01:15:05 PMBoth parties' campaigns and lack of any kind of subtle cooperation meant they lost seats to the Tories. It looks like both parties have learnt their lesson and next GE should be different.

I think it has a lot more to do with their interests now being aligned on a return to the glory days of 2015.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: suelgi on May 19, 2022, 04:09:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTG8Rl_WUAIAcgR?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 19, 2022, 05:11:01 PM
A "return" to Blairism???? You mean this isn't what we're living through now in the Labour Party.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 19, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
That people are still wallet-inspector'd by the lib dems is astonishing.

Fair play to them, some people are desperate to be mugged off so you can't blame the lib dems for doing it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 19, 2022, 06:20:13 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1527298449351188481

QuoteEXCL: Hit squads could be sent in to failing Labour council groups, with under-performing local leaders facing the sack under reforms being proposed by Keir Starmer.

Party source: "We aren't a private members club any more we are servants of the people"

QuoteIt is understood that Croydon Borough Council is one of the local authority Labour groups which have been indentified as under-performing by party bosses.

David Evans: KEITH? KIETH? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? I WILL BREAK YOU
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 19, 2022, 07:12:04 PM
Quote from: suelgi on May 19, 2022, 04:09:47 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTG8Rl_WUAIAcgR?format=png&name=900x900)

Even with that amount of touching up he still looks like the utter weirdo he is.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 07:22:23 PM
You'd think if the aggro-optics crew wanted to replace starmer they'd pick someone who can have their photo taken without it looking like they're unsure if they've followed-through this time rather than replacing like-for-like.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on May 19, 2022, 07:42:56 PM
I would have thought that by now AI would have managed to create characters more convincing than Wes Streeting, tbh.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 07:43:19 PM
maybe it has, i've never met him in person.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 19, 2022, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on May 19, 2022, 05:11:01 PMA "return" to Blairism???? You mean this isn't what we're living through now in the Labour Party.
Starmer isnt a Blairite though. He will wear forever the albatross of being nice to Jeremy Crowbutts. It's less about ideology though and whose group farts you huff. I think Streeting is such an absolute fucking lickspittle cunt he can qualify
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on May 19, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
We may as well get a vTuber to be Labour leader if Streeting is the only option.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Spoon of Ploff on May 19, 2022, 08:30:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EZIZDEa.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 19, 2022, 08:47:46 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 20, 2022, 05:10:20 AM
I feel like it'd be devastatingly easy to do an insulting drawing of him, even if one didn't try very hard.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 20, 2022, 09:15:59 AM
He's an insulting drawing of himself.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 20, 2022, 10:27:17 AM
Our next prime minister!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on May 20, 2022, 10:29:30 AM
The kind of face only a mother could punch.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on May 20, 2022, 10:35:09 AM
There's a video of Wes Streeting singing "Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!" with Novara Media's Michael Walker just after Labour's near win in 2017. That might come back to bite him if he tries to run for leader. Though the cunt will probably just double down on saying Right Wing/TERFy things on Julia Hartley Brewer to distract.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Kelvin on May 20, 2022, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: Blumf on May 20, 2022, 10:29:30 AMThe kind of face only a mother could punch.

Huge laugh.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 20, 2022, 06:32:08 PM
New Statesman jumping on the #weswecan bandwagon.

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/why-wes-streeting-should-be-the-next-labour-leader

It does seem like there is a subsection of the centre-right coming round to the idea that starmer is a dead duck and they need another lickspittle cunt (cheers Dawn) to replace him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 06:38:34 PM
Haha but again, for those right wingers watching in the hope of snaring one of us with a screengrab: Streeting comes over in general like a weirdo with beady eyes and a pallor that suggests he is made out of paint.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 06:39:41 PM
Remember how Change UK went?

Imagine Andrew Rawnsley as your chief political advisor. Still somehow pretending to be anything other than a centre right Tory capitalist.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on May 20, 2022, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 20, 2022, 06:32:08 PMNew Statesman jumping on the #weswecan bandwagon.

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/why-wes-streeting-should-be-the-next-labour-leader

It does seem like there is a subsection of the centre-right coming round to the idea that starmer is a dead duck and they need another lickspittle cunt (cheers Dawn) to replace him.

A bit like The Onion and Clickhole, I didn't bother reading the article because the headline contained all the hilarity I required.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 20, 2022, 06:54:45 PM
The only difference between Starmer and Wes is that I think Starmer has ingratiated himself to the powerful slightly more while Wes is still desperately begging for their attention. I reckon both of them are viewed as little more than servile tools by the powerful though, as demonstrated by the current indifference by potential donors and all that cash for access shit that has no business being there.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 07:17:47 PM
Also Starmer has actual achievements and a career of substance irrespective of the direction he has taken whereas Streeting won some university elections and has been arse licking his way up the chain ever since - while seemingly never aging beyond 12.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 20, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
lol at one of the replies to the New Statesman plugging that article being this:

Quote(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTN7SSfXoAIDY74?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/unfetteredmind1/status/1527700258842722310
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
By the way, what if Corbyn quit and ran against Keir Starmer in Holborn?

He won't obviously because he enjoys the dignity of martyrdom too much but is that a constituency he would have any chance in? Labour shoe in but everyone knows who Corbyn is. Corbyn would be able to get thousands of people out campaigning in that constituency.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 20, 2022, 07:25:35 PM
Fatt Morde wanking himself blind
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 20, 2022, 07:27:23 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 07:17:47 PMAlso Starmer has actual achievements and a career of substance irrespective of the direction he has taken whereas Streeting won some university elections and has been arse licking his way up the chain ever since - while seemingly never aging beyond 12.

Yeah fair point, I don't like where he's aligned himself or what he's done but I must concede he was successful.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
Maybe Starmer does look at Streeting's NUS tier effort at tortoise vs hare Johnsonite careerism and wonder why he put all that work in.

He could have just earnt the vote of some melt kids then hung it out on the long game as a capitalism supplicant and ended up not far away from the same position.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on May 20, 2022, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 07:17:47 PMAlso Starmer has actual achievements and a career of substance irrespective of the direction he has taken whereas Streeting won some university elections and has been arse licking his way up the chain ever since - while seemingly never aging beyond 12.

this is it - whenever I see him on telly all I can think is 'Head Boy'. he would grass on you to the teacher in heartbeat. I wonder if that off-putting impression will lessen over time or whether he just has one of those strange baby faces
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on May 20, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
The next Labour leader has to be a woman though, everybody knows that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 20, 2022, 11:09:54 PM
Ah yes, like last time. But alas those women also standing were just not as feminist as Sir Kier.

Not my words, the words of the Guardian newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/26/why-should-keir-starmer-aside---his-rivals-have-few-feminist-credentials
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 21, 2022, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: shoulders on May 20, 2022, 07:17:47 PMStreeting won some university elections and has been arse licking his way up the chain ever since - while seemingly never aging beyond 12.

The student politics of the left.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on May 21, 2022, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: suelgi on May 19, 2022, 04:09:47 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTG8Rl_WUAIAcgR?format=png&name=900x900)

A return to Blairism IS the saviour Labour desperately needs!

Quote from: lipsink on May 20, 2022, 10:35:09 AMThere's a video of Wes Streeting singing "Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!" with Novara Media's Michael Walker just after Labour's near win in 2017. That might come back to bite him if he tries to run for leader.

Will be funny (and depressing) to see the media report this as if he'd been caught Sieg Heil-ing or something.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on May 21, 2022, 07:49:27 PM
His PR team need a fucking big Christmas bonus this year
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 22, 2022, 09:31:48 AM
Wonder if this is some contrived piece to give starmer some left wing credibility

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10840767/IAN-AUSTIN-wont-Keir-condemn-rail-union-chiefs-plotting-sabotage-Platinum-Jubilee.html
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 22, 2022, 10:11:25 AM
Why am I the world's shittest cunt? By IAN AUSTIN
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 22, 2022, 11:51:12 AM
Heard Ian Austin on the Week on Westminster yesterday with fellow Tory cunt Andrea Leadsom discussing the quagmire disasterfuck that is the restoration of the Palace of Westminster.

He had a wet mouth. A truly revolting image, and I've been on the internet for 25 years.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 22, 2022, 01:49:41 PM
HAHAH HOLY SHIT

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1528312738992295936

i genuinely did shout holy shit when I saw this. holy shit. holy shit.

The Rigby family have always been against politicisation of his horrible death. But that wont stop Sir Kunt! Please come back Red Wall, I hate Muslims killing are brave boys as much as you!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on May 22, 2022, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 22, 2022, 01:49:41 PMHAHAH HOLY SHIT

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1528312738992295936

i genuinely did shout holy shit when I saw this. holy shit. holy shit.

The Rigby family have always been against politicisation of his horrible death. But that wont stop Sir Kunt! Please come back Red Wall, I hate Muslims killing are brave boys as much as you!

Posted and deleted an earlier draft with the wrong date (8 years instead of 9) so the now corrected version is full of comments from angry gammon for getting the date wrong. Forensic!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on May 22, 2022, 04:56:00 PM
Just repeating Gordon Brown's disrespect of are brave boys (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/nov/09/gordon-brown-misspelled-name)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 22, 2022, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on May 22, 2022, 03:42:33 PMPosted and deleted an earlier draft with the wrong date (8 years instead of 9) so the now corrected version is full of comments from angry gammon for getting the date wrong. Forensic!

Sir rake finder strikes again lol.

(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/ftxmya3xwaacsxn-format-jpg-name-small-jpg.247203/)

Sadiq Khan made the same mistake seemingly.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 22, 2022, 07:07:22 PM
It's pretty obvious labour central clear copied Priti Patel's tweet which was retweeted by Johnson.

Khan and Starmo's messages were posted about two hours later and very quickly corrected. If they'd be scheduled they'd likely have stayed up wrong longer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 22, 2022, 07:10:33 PM
The whole world runs on people being too fucking lazy to check anything doesn't it? I feel like a lazy oaf when someone corrects me on here when I paraphrase hazy memories and get shit wrong but it's not my actual job and there's not much incentive beyond my pride being damaged to be extra diligent.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 22, 2022, 07:27:55 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 22, 2022, 07:10:33 PMI feel like a lazy oaf when someone corrects me on here when I paraphrase hazy memories and get shit wrong

Not sure this is correct mate
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 22, 2022, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 22, 2022, 07:10:33 PMThe whole world runs on people being too fucking lazy to check anything doesn't it? I feel like a lazy oaf when someone corrects me on here when I paraphrase hazy memories and get shit wrong but it's not my actual job and there's not much incentive beyond my pride being damaged to be extra diligent.

Check out this dunce.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 22, 2022, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on May 22, 2022, 07:40:21 PMCheck out this dunce.

This is what I call tradition. There should be a CHECK OUT THIS DUNCE bank holiday.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 24, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
Former New Labour spin doctor is now on his third round of Tory membership as the leader of Plymouth Council. Was also a member of UKIP: https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/plymouths-tory-council-leader-richard-7117398
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 25, 2022, 02:07:06 PM
sir keir has taken up door-shagging now

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1529432522882486272
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 25, 2022, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 25, 2022, 02:07:06 PMsir keir has taken up door-shagging now

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1529432522882486272

Sticking his willy through the letterbox while the copper has gone awol is the biggest chance he has of being inside number 10.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 26, 2022, 01:54:00 PM
Vote Labour, get Tories.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-seize-control-edinburgh-council-27070476

QuoteLabour seize control of Edinburgh council after securing backing of the Scottish Conservatives
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 26, 2022, 01:59:42 PM
Council leader is the excellently named Cammy Day.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 26, 2022, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 26, 2022, 01:54:00 PMVote Labour, get Tories.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-seize-control-edinburgh-council-27070476

Except Edinburgh isn't actually getting Tories, as it's purely a Labour minority administration. And not really getting Labour in power because I can't see them passing anything, certainly not without SNP support. This is what happens when you do stupid bans on coalitions, because a Labour-SNP coalition, as was in place before the election, was the only thing that made any sense.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 26, 2022, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 26, 2022, 01:54:00 PMVote Labour, get Tories.

Yep

QuoteChristian Wakeford, who defected to Labour in January, has joined the opposition frontbench – he is now officially Bridget Phillipson's PPS.

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1529837848177811456
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 26, 2022, 05:49:34 PM
He's the one who said Labour are a 'bunch of cunts' last year isn't he?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 26, 2022, 05:50:23 PM
That's the one!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 26, 2022, 06:05:30 PM
Well I for one am glad that SirKeir can forgive someone who called him a cunt as recently as last year and promote them to the front bench, and I am looking forward to my own front bench role in 2023 being offered to me by that cunt Starmer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on May 26, 2022, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 26, 2022, 05:49:34 PMHe's the one who said Labour are a 'bunch of cunts' last year isn't he?

No that was us. Every day!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 26, 2022, 07:41:00 PM
Read some anti-union stuff put out by Green candidates. Lol.

Watch out Lib Dems, they're on your tail!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 27, 2022, 10:56:03 PM
https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1530249355659296768

Quote"Labour is set to outflank the Conservatives by ditching Corbyn's plan to raise income tax on people earning more than £80,000 a year"

A bit of spin there, as it was also one of Ken's ten pledges that have obviously all now been binned off.

Because he's a cunt.

I am still waiting for my shadow front bench position, by the way.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 28, 2022, 10:43:10 AM
QuoteSir Keir Starmer is to publish a book about Britain under a Labour government, originally written as a private collection of his thoughts, in the face of claims that he has failed to communicate his vision

Setting the voters homework.

Maybe it's your vision being so dismal and uninspiring that's the problem, something a multitude of essays, books and relaunches couldn't possibly fix.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 28, 2022, 10:52:05 AM
Surely that lecture pdf last year wasn't already boring and vacuous enough. Satire, surely.

Keir Starmer is to write the contents of his brains onto vellum.

Keir Starmer is to commission a tapestry containing 5 keynote policies
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 28, 2022, 10:55:16 AM
Can't deny the prospect of reading an entire book dedicated to 'A Britain that works hard and plays fair' is making the British public drip with cum.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on May 28, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: shoulders on May 28, 2022, 10:55:16 AMCan't deny the prospect of reading an entire book dedicated to 'A Britain that works hard and plays fair' is making the British public drip with cum.

Increasingly I want to ask these toads what exactly we're working hard *for*.  Producing what?  Creating what and for whom?  Because the answer is overwhelmingly 'your boss'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 28, 2022, 12:04:25 PM
Someone I know (outspoken centrist) read the book from one of his strategists, she was responsible for the 'no-policy just vibes and values' stuff. Sounded like a load of bollocks to me but he does seem to have been adhering to it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 28, 2022, 12:17:18 PM
I m dead into keir starmer. Think hes utterly fantastic . Really seends me fuckin MENTAL
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 28, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
 The Dalai Starmer
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on May 28, 2022, 04:37:00 PM
Hope it's Albion! Albion! with a few names changed.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 28, 2022, 10:06:14 PM
I wonder if his prose is going to have the same affectations as his horrible, horrible speeches.

"I believe in a hopeful Britain. A fair Britain. A Britain that knows the value of respect and hard work. I believe we have the tools to accomplish this. Together. My dad used tools. He had a job. It makes me think of the name of our party: Labour. Labour is almost a synonym for the word "job". It is a party under new management. Managing things is also a job, like my dad had. In Britain."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 28, 2022, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: Cold Meat Platter on May 28, 2022, 03:28:09 PMThe Dalai Starmer

The Korma Sutra
The Lunch Snack Of Notre Starm
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 28, 2022, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: Quote on May 28, 2022, 10:43:10 AMSetting the voters homework.

Maybe it's your vision being so dismal and uninspiring that's the problem, something a multitude of essays, books and relaunches couldn't possibly fix.

So Kier's new idea is for voters to have to buy a book to figure out what Labour stand for?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 28, 2022, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 28, 2022, 10:35:47 PMSo Kier's new idea is for voters to have to buy a book to figure out what Labour stand for?

Buy a book published by a company owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 28, 2022, 10:51:09 PM
I wonder how much the book will be. Imagining loads of unsold copies of Kier's book being pulped, Starmer in a hard hat watching as the copies of the £20 title "I hate lefties and love the queen" are fed in.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 29, 2022, 01:03:12 AM
*ahhhhh....*
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on May 29, 2022, 07:37:04 AM
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2FKE5KD/labour-leader-keir-starmer-during-a-visit-to-a-site-development-on-the-banks-of-the-river-wear-in-durham-supported-by-labour-led-durham-county-council-providing-new-housing-and-jobs-for-local-people-picture-date-saturday-may-1-2021-2FKE5KD.jpg)

IT LOOKS LIKE PORRIDGE
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 29, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
This is a v funny bit

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1530846391299350528
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 29, 2022, 05:15:50 PM
Labour has decided to buy a load of ads on the ConservativeHome website:

QuoteThe UK Labour party has targeted Tory supporters with 'partygate' ads in a Conservative Home webpage ad takeover.

In response to more lockdown party fines, the publication of Sue Gray's report, and a picture of Boris Johnson surrounded by wine bottles, the Labour party has flooded the Tory blog with subversive ads.

Now surrounding the Conservative Home's editorial content is the image of a mask-wearing nurse with the copy, 'Look into her eyes and tell her you still back Boris Johnson.'...

Yes, I'm sure giving loads of money to a website for Tories is a good idea.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 29, 2022, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 29, 2022, 12:28:47 PMThis is a v funny bit

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1530846391299350528

Once Starmer's latest book comes out Labour frontbenchers can say "We've come up with many ideas and if people are interested they can buy Kier's book"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 29, 2022, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 29, 2022, 05:15:50 PMLabour has decided to buy a load of ads on the ConservativeHome website:

Yes, I'm sure giving loads of money to a website for Tories is a good idea.

If you're so invested in the Tories you're visiting ConservativeHome you're presumably not in the market for another political party. Just wasting member's money on pointless trolling.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fabian Thomsett on May 29, 2022, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 29, 2022, 12:28:47 PMThis is a v funny bit

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1530846391299350528

Having policies is Ideological Purity now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 29, 2022, 10:27:22 PM
who the fuck looks at websites anymore
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 30, 2022, 08:36:43 AM
I don't even know what a websites are.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cuellar on May 30, 2022, 10:06:41 AM
"Log on and read our website!"

Get a grip.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 30, 2022, 10:10:01 AM
Dodds ignoring the millions of people in the UK who can't afford or don't know how to use the internet.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on May 30, 2022, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 29, 2022, 10:27:22 PMwho the fuck looks at websites anymore

If you go on the website there are no policies. Take a look:

https://labour.org.uk/

Wasn't Dodds in charge of that 18 month long policy redesign thing? That must be nearly up now, surely they didn't just piss away the time doing nothing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 30, 2022, 11:40:51 AM
Meet Keir Starmer!! Wow!! That cat is E L E C T R I F Y I N G !
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 30, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: Ferris on May 30, 2022, 11:38:57 AMIf you go on the website there are no policies. Take a look:

https://labour.org.uk/

Wasn't Dodds in charge of that 18 month long policy redesign thing? That must be nearly up now, surely they didn't just piss away the time doing nothing.

I'm quite surprised the 10 pledges haven't been scrubbed given how he's turned his back on them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 31, 2022, 12:29:44 PM
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/where-are-labours-big-ideas

QuoteIn an age of permanent crisis, a party that stands only for managerialism will be washed away.

You got what you wanted, New Statesman, you credulous goons.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 31, 2022, 02:44:30 PM
Having ideas is for Marxists.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 02:45:14 PM
It seems it's not just Kieth that's trying to win hearts and minds with books, Paul Waugh's inews article is reporting

Quote@wesstreeting
 is writing a childhood memoir, due out 2023
@lisanandy
 is writing a book on how Labour can win back working class votes, due out September.
Both approved by
@Keir_Starmer
 so NOT leadership pitches (though their books won't harm their chances one day)

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1531629761654624261 / https://inews.co.uk/opinion/as-mothers-skip-meals-to-feed-their-kids-voters-look-hungry-for-a-change-from-boris-johnson-1660408
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 31, 2022, 02:46:36 PM
Haven't these people got jobs? My taxes are paying for Wes Streeting to write about his love of McDonalds.

This country.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on May 31, 2022, 02:46:36 PMHaven't these people got jobs? My taxes are paying for Wes Streeting to write about his love of McDonalds.

This country.

Who do they think will read this shit? Aside from journalists, I feel most of this would amount to preaching to the choir. I'm sure the same applies to critical books too - fans of Starmer probably aren't going to read The Starmer Project. You've probably got to be a proper historical rotter for someone opposed to you to have enough morbid curiosity to read your book.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 31, 2022, 02:57:02 PM
I'll read Streeting's book if he promises to explain how he got that nasty smirk permanently plastered over his lower jaw.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 31, 2022, 02:59:02 PM
Yum yum!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on May 31, 2022, 03:11:28 PM
Wes Streeting has done even less in his life than a 25 year old footballer and I never read those auto-biographies either.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on May 31, 2022, 03:12:47 PM
Wes Streeting is 39 years old.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 31, 2022, 04:03:24 PM
I'm pretty sure books like his aren't designed to be read.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on May 31, 2022, 06:51:57 PM
WOOP WOOP THAT'S THE SOUND OF THE POLICE

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1531690350334685186

QuoteNEW: Labour sources have confirmed that Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner have now received questionnaires from Durham Constabulary.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 31, 2022, 07:10:07 PM
his excuse when he refuses to resign is going to be brilliant
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on May 31, 2022, 08:41:12 PM
He's doing the usual favours to the Tories: this significantly blunts partygate attacks.

Where would they be without good old Sir Keith?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on May 31, 2022, 09:37:39 PM
Jones' bit in The Guardian today has got the centrist readers shitting their pants

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/31/boris-johnson-dishonesty-keir-starmer-labour-abandoned-pledges

They love that Tory-enabler projection don't they?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: jobotic on May 31, 2022, 09:37:39 PMJones' bit in The Guardian today has got the centrist readers shitting their pants

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/31/boris-johnson-dishonesty-keir-starmer-labour-abandoned-pledges

They love that Tory-enabler projection don't they?

Guy I sort-of know got arsey because they quote-tweeted some article of Jones' saying "wheres his article about the Tories doing x" and then Jones just replied with said article. "Why's he bothering with me" etc.

I think "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" would adequately sum it up.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 31, 2022, 10:07:17 PM
From the Telegraph

QuoteIt is the public's "patriotic duty" to celebrate the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, Sir Keir Starmer said

If we're talking about duty, it is the duty of the Leader of the Opposition to provide an effective opposition to the government and Starmer hasn't been doing that.

He sounds like some 14th century baron telling the peasents it is their duty to fight in a war for the king.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
Magic Stepdad strikes again.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 31, 2022, 10:15:13 PM
QuoteCOMMENT

Britain is a better country thanks to the Queen

The Platinum Jubilee is a chance to celebrate our extraordinary monarch and the values she represents

KEIR STARMER


In fairness to Kier "Britain is a better country thanks to our Queen" was the headline and he probably didnt chose this.

Why is he writing in the Telegraph, read by upper class mansion owners and retired colonels who will always vote Tory even if Starmer promises to  bring back workhouses and invade Germany?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on May 31, 2022, 10:19:12 PM
Sun didn't want his article?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 10:21:08 PM
At least he isn't spaffing membership money on it this time!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 31, 2022, 10:30:19 PM
Wonder what Starmer will do to celebrate the Jubillee. I can imagine the prick being photographed holding a little Union Jack while sitting drinking tea and eating cake with some horrible flag staggers.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 10:33:30 PM
I wonder what he'd do if he wasn't going to treat the whole thing as his own personal PR exercise.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on May 31, 2022, 11:15:24 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 31, 2022, 10:30:19 PMWonder what Starmer will do to celebrate the Jubillee. I can imagine the prick being photographed holding a little Union Jack while sitting drinking tea and eating cake with some horrible flag staggers.

EDIT: sorry, wasn't paying attention
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 01, 2022, 07:57:23 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 31, 2022, 10:33:30 PMI wonder what he'd do if he wasn't going to treat the whole thing as his own personal PR exercise.

Go in for repairs and a reboot of his major operating system.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 01, 2022, 11:15:54 AM
When I was director of public prosecutions
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 01, 2022, 05:43:00 PM
QuoteI'm Simon Lightwood, Labour's candidate for the Wakefield by-election.

Ever been to Wakefield, Blumf? It's a wonderful city that shows the best of Britain and there's plenty to be proud of.

But it has been badly let down by the Conservatives.

For over a year, the Tories have left the community without a voice in Parliament.

That's why I'm fighting to represent this fantastic city.

Blumf, I need your help in the fight to give Wakefield the fresh start it deserves with Labour. Chip in to the Wakefield Campaign fund today:
 
link:I'll chip in!

Every penny from our supporters goes towards our effort to win this crucial contest.

The Tories have badly failed the North of England and Wakefield is no exception.

By donating today, you'll be helping me get one step closer to delivering a better future for my community.

Thank you,

Simon Lightwood
Labour's Candidate for Wakefield


A note from the Yorkshire and the Humber Labour Party

We won't stop campaigning over the coming Bank Holiday. If you're passing through, join the team here in Wakefield for a campaigning session:

Maybe you wouldn't need people to 'chip in' if you hadn't pissed off the local party members

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61441696
QuoteThe entire committee that runs the Labour Party in Wakefield has resigned in a row with party HQ in London.

The committee is angry about the way Labour's candidate for the forthcoming by-election in the West Yorkshire constituency is being chosen.

Requests for a local candidate to be in place early were ignored, they say.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 01, 2022, 05:46:41 PM
Did they choose him because woods and fields are both things you see in the countryside? Political word association?

Never been to Wakefield, is it a fantastic, wonderful city that showcases the best of Britain? What is the best of Britain?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 01, 2022, 06:03:34 PM
QuoteIt is the public's "patriotic duty" to celebrate the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, Sir Keir Starmer said

changed my mind about America, George Washington was amazing
no more fucking kings
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 02, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
It is the pawns' duty to show deference to the queen, said the knight (as he bashed the bishop in his castle and done a king-sized jizz).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 02, 2022, 10:03:50 AM
The whole Sir Keir telegraph article is fucking unhinged. The central thesis is without her wed be living in a fascist dystopia. Fucking hell

QuoteThe Jubilee weekend isn't just an opportunity for us to reflect on the 70 years since Her Majesty's accession to the throne – although it will, of course, be that.
And it isn't simply a chance for a country wearied by the extraordinary circumstances of the past few years to let its hair down – although it is, of course, your patriotic duty to do just that.
No, the first Platinum Jubilee in our nation's history is a chance to celebrate a truly extraordinary Queen, to reflect on the difference she has made to her country, and to consider what our Elizabethan age has meant – and what it will mean for our future.
Over the coming days, there will be time for rich explorations of the history. How Her Majesty has guided us through turbulent times and stood alongside us during the good and the bad.
But I want to reflect on the values the Queen represents and how they have made her such a popular, unifying and enduring figure.
We live in a time in which our attitudes towards authority have changed. The deferential culture of the early part of Her Majesty's reign has long gone.
But the Queen has been able to rise above much of the archness and cynicism: the hope and surety she represents sometimes feel like a throwback to that former age. The admiration people have for her goes far beyond the typical relationship between monarch and people.
There is no great secret as to how she has managed this. Her Majesty's commitment to duty and her passion for furthering our country on the world stage have not just benefited each of us – they have also conferred on her the respect and love of people here and across the world. She has shown us that integrity, hard work and selflessness are the antidote to pessimism.
It is a truism that with great power comes great responsibility, but the Queen's reign has been a continuous reminder of the way to deal with that – to block out the noise and get on with the job at hand.
The Western world has changed beyond recognition since the 1950s. This has led to fundamental questions about what it means to be a citizen and what it means to be patriotic. Britain has been no outlier in this. Her Majesty's constant presence – a bridge between different eras – has been an important part in helping us to wrestle with those questions.
That Britain has at every juncture rejected extremism is in no small part due to our idea of who we are as a people: an idea borne of a sense of stability that cannot exist without strong institutions.
Watching last year's Euro 2020 tournament, it was striking not just how many of the home nations' players were first, second or third-generation immigrants but how many of those wearing replica shirts in the stands or the pubs were as well.
This weekend's celebrations will feel the same. I encourage everyone to get involved – and I endorse this newspaper's call for local authorities to try to ensure that as many events can take place and as many people can celebrate as possible.
Just as at the Queen's coronation in 1953, our country is at a crossroads. Just as then, we have gone through great change. And just as then, there are siren voices who claim that our best days are behind us.
But they will once again be proven wrong. The Britain that is emerging at this Platinum Jubilee is one that is again ready to move on from the tribulations of recent years, stronger for its experiences, and more than able to seize the opportunities ahead. A new patriotism, one that is easy, self-confident and inclusive, is being born all around us.
Just as the Queen has led us through the past 70 years, all that she has taught us – about duty, tolerance, humility and responsibility – will continue to guide us into this next era. We are a better, brighter country because of her. Our history is richer, our future built on firmer foundations and our great country made greater still by her rule.
Now that's something worth celebrating.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on June 02, 2022, 10:11:38 AM
Fuck off, you deeply, deeply boring man.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on June 02, 2022, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: Sir on June 02, 2022, 10:03:50 AMThat Britain has at every juncture rejected extremism is in no small part due to our idea of who we are as a people: an idea borne of a sense of stability that cannot exist without strong institutions.

Has he been living under a fucking rock for the past fucking decade?!?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 02, 2022, 10:19:14 AM
No he's just lying and pleasing nobody. The Labour party is not for buying into the idea the upper classes are somehow great and that souls flow to the leviathan. It's for fighting for working people's rights.

This actually motivates me to vote AGAINST this cunt at the ballot box. Go fuck a butchers apron lawyer boy
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 02, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
That's quite an oddly written article, just an odd collection of sentences with little attempt to weave them together. Kind of what happens when you run a long article through https://smmry.com but without the actual brevity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 02, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
Having one political party selling us this fantasy version of Blighty isn't enough, we now have to have an anaemic alternative Tory party saying much the same things but with less commitment and enthusiasm.

And Telegraph readers will still vote the way they always do come election time so a completely pointless endeavour, much like trying to sway the visitors of Conservative Home.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Poobum on June 02, 2022, 01:17:28 PM
Building an entire tedious hagiography of the Queen by recognizing her amazing ability to exist for a really long (too long if you ask me!) time.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
monarchy has always been recognised as a symbol of democracy, humility and political moderation

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 03:02:51 PM
meaning, stories and identity blah blah cultural blah

beat the educated class with belts. what does that mean, eh?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 02, 2022, 04:38:56 PM
Britain has embraced extremism loads of times; the upper classes before the war loved the Nazis.  The politics of the national front have basically been folded into the ruling party, at least its Monday Club fringe.  The Rivers of Blood speech, which was extremely popular with thr british public according to polls, was rebroadcast on the BBC very recently.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
how is a monarchy not extremism
how is the head of state also being the head of the church not extremism
how is colonialism not extremism
how is heriditary rule not extremism
how is aristocracy having a huge role in lawmaking not extremism
etc

but russia, populism, communism and fascism eh? authenticity and tradition. MEANING
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 02, 2022, 05:05:25 PM
Plus Cultural Marxist postmodernist scum Crobbins, of course. How such an extreme far left threat could be allowed to continue drawing breath in our renowed bastion of moderation and pragmatism I am unsure.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 02, 2022, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on June 02, 2022, 04:38:56 PMBritain has embraced extremism loads of times; the upper classes before the war loved the Nazis.  The politics of the national front have basically been folded into the ruling party, at least its Monday Club fringe.  The Rivers of Blood speech, which was extremely popular with thr british public according to polls, was rebroadcast on the BBC very recently.
but like. Her uncle?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 05:52:39 PM
our national story
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 02, 2022, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 05:52:39 PMour national story

Where we can all be a footnote together.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 02, 2022, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 04:44:15 PMhow is a monarchy not extremism
how is the head of state also being the head of the church not extremism
how is colonialism not extremism
how is heriditary rule not extremism
how is aristocracy having a huge role in lawmaking not extremism
etc

but russia, populism, communism and fascism eh? authenticity and tradition. MEANING

Extremism is a relative term, compared to the prevailing norm at the time. Where the Overton window is today, none of these are extreme, whereas mainstream political postwar policies such as nationalization, major infrastructure programs, full employment, etc, are extreme now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 08:09:03 PM
that post is on the money if you replace the word "relative" with "meaningless" - its just a way to signify badness without having to say what you think is good or express support for any values or ideology at all. I dislike bad things, especially the ones that are -like- really bad. I think extremism is most useful when it describes the lengths actors will go to achieve their ends, but its seldom used that way. It's mostly used now to make spurious distinctions between left and extreme left, Muslim and Muslim extremist, populist and extreme populist, etc.

I've always thought that the "overton window" is a bad concept - too focused on discourse and norms, it really shows the limits of relativism in politics, because its demonstrates how relativistic attitudes are always selective about what is relative and what is not. For example, monarchism is "extremism" in the USA and France, etc. it doesn't really matter how "acceptable" the idea of a monarch is to people in the UK, or what the fucking discourse about monarchy is like, we're stuck with one anyway. The general mode about how beneficial the monarcy is bounces around like a pinball and isn't very consistent across social groups, and yet the monarchy remains a fact independent of all that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 02, 2022, 10:58:25 PM
I'm not sure why you think people in the USA and UK having different opinions on the monarchy means the Overton window is an unworkable concept. It just means...it's different in different places?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 11:25:53 PM
I think the frame of what is considered acceptable discourse doesn't really have that much bearing on what becomes policy. The Overton Window supposedly describes how policy ideas come and go in waves over time, like fashion, and I don't see it. If anything things get more entrenched and certain ideas prove to be perennial even as superficial cultural shifts happen.

Governments do all kinds of things independently of how free or represented the populace feels and thats reflected in the policies of major parties. UK civil service cuts, French retirement reform and US Roe V Wade decision are all massively outside of what is "feasible" in the public's eyes and they're all mainstream policy positions even so. The Overton Window idea also suggests that stuff is "radical" when its outside and normal or acceptable when its inside, and normal ideas are more likely to become policy than radical ideas. Which is fucking nonsense when some people vote for right wing radicals because they're radicals, and others support climate radicals because only radical changes in policy reflect that reality. There's no real slow move from the thinkable to the unthinkable, the unthinkable arrives with a dull thud or it was here all along (like the monarchy)

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 03, 2022, 03:29:19 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 02, 2022, 11:25:53 PMUK civil service cuts, French retirement reform and US Roe V Wade decision

It's almost like internal contradictions are powering a constant churning of aspects in and out of predominance...it's really weird.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2022, 12:30:29 PM
Great bit from Sir Queef about how much he loves the queen. When his father (Sir Toolmaker Starmer) and mother (Lady Nurse Starmer) heard he was getting a knightmare of his own, they said they couldnt go because they couldnt leave their great dane alone in their little red wall hamlet outside the M25. So little Kieth said bring the dog to my knightmare! So they did and haha a dog in the palace of Buckingham!!!

The dog then burnt to death in a housefire while Sir Toolmaker was in hospital dying. What a funny story from this brilliant man 👏
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on June 03, 2022, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 03, 2022, 12:30:29 PMGreat bit from Sir Queef about how much he loves the queen. When his father (Sir Toolmaker Starmer) and mother (Lady Nurse Starmer) heard he was getting a knightmare of his own, they said they couldnt go because they couldnt leave their great dane alone in their little red wall hamlet outside the M25. So little Kieth said bring the dog to my knightmare! So they did and haha a dog in the palace of Buckingham!!!

The dog then burnt to death in a housefire while Sir Toolmaker was in hospital dying. What a funny story from this brilliant man 👏

I wonder who got the power pack?!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 03, 2022, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on June 03, 2022, 02:33:08 PMI wonder who got the power pack?!

Hahaha

News.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2022, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: Zero Gravitas on June 03, 2022, 03:29:19 AMIt's almost like internal contradictions are powering a constant churning of aspects in and out of predominance...it's really weird.

the contradictions are the point

overton window idea comes from the liberal age where the dream was that things like radical policy changes had sense and reason behind them that we can understand if we're clever enough. now not only is history back but contingency too

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 03, 2022, 04:12:55 PM
I'm not sure your description of the Overton window is entirely correct, VGF2000.

My understanding is that it concerns whether policies are likely to be accepted by the public and not whether governments choose to implement them at all. Obviously the former has some bearing on the latter but would you say, for example, that the poll tax was inside the Overton window at the time the government attempted to implement it? Or that the decriminalisation of cannabis is currently outside it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
the overton window is meant to model how feasibility or how "thinkable" things changes over time, which radical ideas initially seeming unthinkable and then slowly becoming normal policy as public opinion changes. its basically saying that politics follows trends like fashion and we can model these trends by looking at political culture and public opinion

i don't recognise the political world that is meant to describe. It describes some policy changes - poll tax is a good example - but not others - like Blair's initial assault against the NHS or his support of the Iraq war. we live in a world where the unthinkable is implemented and wildly popular political ideas are totally ignored by elected officials. we don't live in a world where discourse dictates norms and regularities that politicians have to follow or perish, or where policy ideas that make people feel unfree or misrepresentated are doomed to die on their arse

its all part of the post-cold war dream that something as contingent and arbitrary as successful/failure of certain policies can be modeled or even predicted with sociology and statistics. then kaboom 9/11 and the subprime crisis

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 03, 2022, 04:44:12 PM
The Overton Window (it's useful shorthand) is not predictive, it's descriptive. The point is that it lags what governments and the media push as 'the right thing to do'. The OW gets pushed and pulled by intentional actors seeking to influence public opinion rather than those actors referring to the OW for guidance.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 03, 2022, 04:47:30 PM
The Overton Window simply concerns how 'normality' and 'moderate' opinions are adjusted over time to move certain political ideas out of the scope of mainstream discourse and by doing so create a new normal and a new extreme.

Everything else is an over interpreted version.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 03, 2022, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 03, 2022, 04:47:30 PMThe Overton Window simply concerns how 'normality' and 'moderate' opinions are adjusted over time to move certain political ideas out of the scope of mainstream discourse and by doing so create a new normal and a new extreme.

Everything else is an over interpreted version.



Yes. It's a useful tool to also describe how the Tories/UKIP/Blair dragged public acceptance to the right but Labour are terrified to campaign on pulling it back leftwards (from an economic perspective). Tories focus on changing the OW, Labour looks for direction from its current position.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2022, 04:54:42 PM
as a shorthand its fine, everyone knows what its meant to mean. but my view is that some parts of policy follow opinion/discourse in that way, but other majorly important things don't track to such adjustments

there was some chat about "post-ideological" views of politics in another thread, and the overton window is an artifact of such an attitude. the sort of idea you come to if you're attempting to be indifferent to ideology or left/right division and think of policy as directly expressive of sentiment. ideas are radical based on opinion only, there aren't such things as politic ideas that are radical in themselves.

politics without politics
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 05:02:00 PM
She talks so much bollocks at times

(https://i.ibb.co/LN5fmky/Screenshot-20220603-165940.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 03, 2022, 06:42:23 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 05:02:00 PMShe talks so much bollocks at times

(https://i.ibb.co/LN5fmky/Screenshot-20220603-165940.png)

Seems like the right area of concern but looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope. Our universities whoring themselves out to world elites for financing while closing down important departments and neglecting to provide spaces for potential British undergraduates is a far bigger concern than that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 08:29:53 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 03, 2022, 06:42:23 PMSeems like the right area of concern but looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope. Our universities whoring themselves out to world elites for financing while closing down important departments and neglecting to provide spaces for potential British undergraduates is a far bigger concern than that.

They terrrk errr univerrrrsity places!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 03, 2022, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 08:29:53 PMThey terrrk errr univerrrrsity places!

University places are being auctioned off to the highest bidders. This is usually rich Saudi, Indian and Chinese students who have no cap on fees and pay 3-4 times what British students pay for the same course. Working class students and those of limited means get pushed out as usual.

With respect, you can stick your South-Park-AnCap bollocks up your anus.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 09:34:51 PM
I was completely joking with that, it just popped into my head and I ran with it. Agree with you both 100%.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: thugler on June 03, 2022, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on June 03, 2022, 09:12:18 PMUniversity places are being auctioned off to the highest bidders. This is usually rich Saudi, Indian and Chinese students who have no cap on fees and pay 3-4 times what British students pay for the same course. Working class students and those of limited means get pushed out as usual.

With respect, you can stick your South-Park-AnCap bollocks up your anus.

That's because the government forced Universities to become businesses first reliant on generating fees.

Seems like you're twisting it quite a bit to make it seem like she's not said another faintly dim thing. It's not the first time. She is usually left wing but also frequently bad at her job and gaffe prone. I don't feel the need to pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 03, 2022, 09:53:55 PM
Isn't she talking about taking trained people away from third world countries, not the students.

Could see it being a problem trying to build up your economy if most your high skilled labour is drained away to the West.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 10:08:55 PM
I think the "brain drain" theory has been debunked. Can't remember where though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 03, 2022, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 03, 2022, 10:08:55 PMI think the "brain drain" theory has been debunked. Can't remember where though.
Well, I'm convinced
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 04, 2022, 12:14:00 AM
lmao. no yeah I agree with Diane in part, but I wouldn't broadcast it for a number of reasons. mostly because it could be interpreted as anti-immigration.

UK universities bring in international students largely because they can charge them more. but when these students graduate they dont necessarily stay here. I mean unless they get a job they have to fuck off immediately
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on June 04, 2022, 02:23:00 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 04, 2022, 12:14:00 AMbut when these students graduate they dont necessarily stay here. I mean unless they get a job they have to fuck off immediately

Aye or a partner who is a British citizen earning £35k+. Was in this position myself back in the day. It was truly unworkable unless you knew someone who could pull strings to get you a job on that salary fresh out of university, which you obviously need mad connections to be able to do.

We broke up for other reasons but it deffo didn't help.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on June 04, 2022, 02:24:56 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 03, 2022, 04:47:30 PMThe Overton Window simply concerns how 'normality' and 'moderate' opinions are adjusted over time to move certain political ideas out of the scope of mainstream discourse and by doing so create a new normal and a new extreme.

Everything else is an over interpreted version.



Also as has been pointed out this is what the Overton Window means and is a nice and succinct definition for all the lads reading.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 04, 2022, 03:24:36 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 04, 2022, 12:14:00 AMUK universities bring in international students largely because they can charge them more. but when these students graduate they dont necessarily stay here. I mean unless they get a job they have to fuck off immediately

She's probably talking about the Graduate visa (https://www.gov.uk/graduate-visa) route.

Note it's not just the brains that are being drained:

QuoteHow much it costs

When you apply for a Graduate visa, you'll need to:

  • pay the £715 application fee
  • pay the healthcare surcharge - this is usually £624 for each year you'll be in the UK
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2022, 03:20:44 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/chai_ste/status/1532804286945566726

Lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 04, 2022, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: Blumf on June 03, 2022, 09:53:55 PMIsn't she talking about taking trained people away from third world countries, not the students.

Could see it being a problem trying to build up your economy if most your high skilled labour is drained away to the West.

Very true, but I'm not sure what Diane is suggesting. Is she saying the government should be offering fewer visas to those from countries that could be seen as LEDC? Because I would have thought she would want a world with more freedom of movement, which would make it easier for people to move from country to country for various reasons which include their job. Inevitably there will be some "brain drain" and surely the answer to this is to reduce inequalities between countries not restrict the options of highly skilled people.

I note she has turned off replies on the tweet. Not sure if I have misunderstood what she was saying.
 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2022, 06:33:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUbM1fSWQAAAgIV?format=jpg&name=large)

Ccccccsssccccivic Duty DddddDuty
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
Catch the G-G-Grave
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 04, 2022, 07:03:39 PM
Diane Abbott is saying that these highly skilled people should be staying in the countries where they were born to help ensure their future economic prosperity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 04, 2022, 09:56:52 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/04/labour-says-it-is-now-the-true-party-of-patriotism-and-british-values?

I challenge my right honourable friend to a flag-shagging contest.

QuoteSenior Labour party figures said Boris Johnson – who was booed outside St Paul's Cathedral on Friday – was no longer seen by the public as a leader who upholds the British standards of integrity, decency and honesty that the country has long been admired for across the world.

The always decent, honest Brits. The admired Brits.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Menu on June 05, 2022, 03:01:37 AM
Quote from: Paul Calf on June 04, 2022, 07:03:39 PMDiane Abbott is saying that these highly skilled people should be staying in the countries where they were born to help ensure their future economic prosperity.

Shouldn't it be up to the individual? This isn't leftwing. It's the sort of thing Farage says when he's trying not to let the mask slip. People from poorer countries using our educational institutions and/or then getting highly-skilled well-paid jobs is good for them and their countries. And us. Many more should come, if anything.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 05, 2022, 04:07:46 AM
Quote from: Quote on June 04, 2022, 09:56:52 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/04/labour-says-it-is-now-the-true-party-of-patriotism-and-british-values?

QuoteLabour is determined to show itself as patriotic and pro-British following Jeremy Corbyn's time as leader, when many of its traditional voters switched to the Tories. Many frontbench Labour figures are now filmed making speeches in front of large union jacks.

Corbyn had pushed for the monarchy to be abolished early on in his time in parliament, and failed to sing the national anthem at a commemoration of the Battle of Britain in 2015.

lol They can't help themselves, can they?

Rent.

Free.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on June 05, 2022, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: Quote on June 04, 2022, 09:56:52 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/04/labour-says-it-is-now-the-true-party-of-patriotism-and-british-values?

I challenge my right honourable friend to a flag-shagging contest.

The always decent, honest Brits. The admired Brits.

I've always wondered what makes British values soo different. Let's look them up, shall we? British Values are defined as the following:

QuoteDemocracy
A culture built upon freedom and equality, where everyone is aware of their rights and responsibilities.

The rule of law
The need for rules to make a happy, safe and secure environment to live and work.

Individual liberty
Protection of your rights and the rights of others around you.

Mutual respect & tolerance of different faiths and beliefs
Understanding that we all don't share the same beliefs and values. Respecting those values, ideas and beliefs of others whilst not imposing our own onto them.

Nice to know we're the only country in the world with these values. I mean, the Germans can't have any of the above values, because they're British values - is that the point these twats are trying to make?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 05, 2022, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: Menu on June 05, 2022, 03:01:37 AMShouldn't it be up to the individual? This isn't leftwing. It's the sort of thing Farage says when he's trying not to let the mask slip. People from poorer countries using our educational institutions and/or then getting highly-skilled well-paid jobs is good for them and their countries. And us. Many more should come, if anything.

It's more the sort of thing that Paul Nuttals of the UKIPs might say.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 05, 2022, 10:29:26 AM
Exactly, it's the same argument those on the right use about people from other countries getting jobs in the NHS.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on June 05, 2022, 11:07:57 AM
Do Viz still do UTAC?

Viz_Query (https://twitter.com/Kenny255/status/1533389202582294528?s=20&t=M0kOifJw1Ulgc4niW0g9iw)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on June 05, 2022, 02:58:37 PM
Quote from: Menu on June 05, 2022, 03:01:37 AMShouldn't it be up to the individual? This isn't leftwing. It's the sort of thing Farage says when he's trying not to let the mask slip. People from poorer countries using our educational institutions and/or then getting highly-skilled well-paid jobs is good for them and their countries. And us. Many more should come, if anything.

Is it good for their countries? For just one example, how do you have a functioning Higher Education system if all your best people are going off to get jobs in the US, UK, France, Germany etc.. Does it not slow the rate at which those countries can develop?

There must be a compromise. Maybe some sort of exchange programme. Everyone has to do a rotation of two years somewhere else or something.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 05, 2022, 03:00:37 PM
QuoteMutual respect & tolerance of different faiths and beliefs
Understanding that we all don't share the same beliefs and values. Respecting those values, ideas and beliefs of others whilst not imposing our own onto them.

historically the most british of all beliefs
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 05, 2022, 03:01:39 PM
Green and Pleasant HR Departments
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 05, 2022, 03:59:49 PM
The flag stuff always has an insincere 'this is what the shitmunchers like isn't it?'.

In actual fact I think the only shitmunchers that like it are people who aren't as clever as they think they are and consider it good posturing rather than good in itself.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 05, 2022, 04:04:38 PM
luv luvving what the Big Other luvs me to think it luvs
simple as
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 05, 2022, 04:42:58 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 05, 2022, 03:59:49 PMThe flag stuff always has an insincere 'this is what the shitmunchers like isn't it?'.

In actual fact I think the only shitmunchers that like it are people who aren't as clever as they think they are and consider it good posturing rather than good in itself.

The so-called 'centrists' are beguiled by the notion that the best ideas are counter-intuitive despite how shit they might be in actuality. This grown-ups-in-the-room mentality has the same appeal as the hidden knowledge of conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 05, 2022, 04:44:08 PM
"you and I know it's bullshit, but it's the right kind of bullshit"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 05, 2022, 04:49:40 PM
'Exactly. So, now we understand each other, I'll ask again: do you want to buy these 'magic' (lol) beans?'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Menu on June 06, 2022, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: pancreas on June 05, 2022, 02:58:37 PMIs it good for their countries? For just one example, how do you have a functioning Higher Education system if all your best people are going off to get jobs in the US, UK, France, Germany etc.. Does it not slow the rate at which those countries can develop?

There must be a compromise. Maybe some sort of exchange programme. Everyone has to do a rotation of two years somewhere else or something.

You don't have to impose that. It happens naturally over a period of time. Connections breed connections. It starts with them sending money home, then maybe they bring family over, then they meet a nice girl here and the kids go back to the motherland knowing the language etc etc. It only becomes ugly when you try to put a stop to any of that.  And, yes, I'm all for exchange programmes of any kind. MORE PLEASE, BBC!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Menu on June 06, 2022, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Paul Calf on June 05, 2022, 10:27:16 AMIt's more the sort of thing that Paul Nuttals of the UKIPs might say.

God I miss him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2022, 01:33:41 PM
Quote@Keir_Starmer
The Queen's commitment to Britain is unwavering.

The Queen has improved our country's reputation around the world – and has stood with us at home, through good times and bad.

Today, on #ThankYouDay, we celebrate and give our thanks to Her Majesty.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on June 06, 2022, 08:36:47 PM
The 'Women4Wes' twitter account just posted this lmao

(https://i.imgur.com/ZWWhIB7.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 06, 2022, 08:49:58 PM
Ahahah
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 06, 2022, 08:53:55 PM
Bit mean on the kimono fox killer considering he's actually trying to make up for his meltery.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 06, 2022, 09:14:39 PM
Joylon doesnt think anything he's done before is bad, including being all blue balls no brexit, with cunting a fox and thinking it was funny to post about it on twitter. just because he's doing good stuff now doesn't take that back. he's still making a livelihood out it, isn't he?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 06, 2022, 09:32:18 PM
Well yeah, fair enough. I just cut him some slack for pissing off the TERFs.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on June 06, 2022, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: Cold Meat Platter on June 06, 2022, 08:36:47 PMThe 'Women4Wes' twitter account just posted this lmao

(https://i.imgur.com/ZWWhIB7.png)

Fucking hell that is splendid.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: DrGreggles on June 06, 2022, 11:10:33 PM
Guess Who has let himself go
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 06, 2022, 11:16:30 PM
No seat at table for Rory Stewart

:(

What happened to a government of ALL the talents
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 06, 2022, 11:26:24 PM
he's a beautiful boy, let's give him a present
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pigamus on June 06, 2022, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: pancreas on June 06, 2022, 11:08:07 PMFucking hell that is splendid.

Secretary of State for Performative Breastfeeding had me roaring
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 06, 2022, 11:36:30 PM
Creasy is at least doing a firm anti-transphobia stance, so like windmill Joylon can cut her a bit of slack. but not forgive for all the other shit she pulled before 2019 that got us into this fucking mess
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on June 06, 2022, 11:52:27 PM
Yes, it turns out to be much easier for some people to entertain an ethical code when they know there's no chance of them having the opportunity to insist on it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 07, 2022, 09:10:01 AM
Quote from: DrGreggles on June 06, 2022, 11:10:33 PMGuess Who has let himself go

I can't. Who?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 07, 2022, 09:21:17 AM
Lumpen Liberal / Blue Tick Twitter were tumescent and gap-dripping at the idea that Bercow should be leader of the Labour Party just a few weeks ago.

Bercow of the Monday Club.

QuoteIn September 1972, the club held a "Halt Immigration Now!" public meeting in Westminster Central Hall, opposite Parliament, at which the speakers Ronald Bell QC MP, John Biggs-Davison MP, Harold Soref MP, and John Heydon Stokes MP (all club members) called on the government to halt all immigration, repeal the Race Relations Act, not the separate Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1968, and start a full repatriation scheme.

However, they would remain affiliated to the Conservative Party for another 29 years.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 08, 2022, 11:42:19 AM
It looks excessively good for Corbyn.

https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1534462471146201089
QuoteReally interestin thread from someone who worked for YouGov in 2017.

Claims they were banned from releasing a story that Corbyn won a debate because "it was too positive for Labour".

Entire thread here (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1534444485907779584.html).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on June 08, 2022, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: Darles Chickens on June 08, 2022, 11:42:19 AMIt looks excessively good for Corbyn.

https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1534462471146201089
Entire thread here (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1534444485907779584.html).

https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1534525364717993985?s=20

Oh not to worry, it was just a hilarious joke!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: no_offenc on June 08, 2022, 09:48:07 PM
Loving the idea of DEATHRA
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 08, 2022, 10:20:45 PM
QuoteWhen you go to the football alone and then pretend you're with some random family because you're lonely.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUmPlvGXoAIYx6e?format=png&name=small)

https://twitter.com/OvensComedy/status/1533915706139492354
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 08, 2022, 10:25:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/H2Jz4NL.jpg)

Know your place, peasants.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 08, 2022, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Bobloblawslawbomb on June 08, 2022, 05:42:26 PMhttps://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1534525364717993985?s=20

Oh not to worry, it was just a hilarious joke!

Surprised they don't use the bantz defence more often
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 08, 2022, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: jobotic on June 08, 2022, 10:26:49 PMSurprised they don't use the bantz defence more often

will no one rid of me of this meddlesome priest? 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 09, 2022, 12:30:07 AM
Quote from: Darles Chickens on June 08, 2022, 10:25:08 PM(https://i.imgur.com/H2Jz4NL.jpg)

Know your place, peasants.


But Pater, they stink of budget supermarkets!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on June 09, 2022, 03:00:05 PM
Paul Mason has been working with an intelligence contractor to launch a McCarthyite attack on independent media, the UK left and other elements of an ostensibly China-linked, "pro-Putin" network, including "Muslim Community", "Trade Unions", and "Black Community". Difficult to conceive of where his degeneration goes from here.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/paul-masons-covert-intelligence-grayzone/

In his response to this expose, Mason doesn't actually deny the authenticity of the leaked emails. He urges "colleagues in the Labour and trade union movement to remain vigilant against the information war being waged upon us", as if it isn't his own role to wage an infowar on the Labour left and trade unions.
https://paulmasonnews.medium.com/response-to-grayzone-article-82d1a1ff6ce6
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 09, 2022, 03:12:17 PM
Slightly lighter note but what's Bastani playing at here?
(https://i.imgur.com/mPdB1i2.png)

Sails a bit close to the 'good tory' rhetoric here. Although I did see Rory play along with a TBEU account which while I don't like the man was more aware than I gave him credit for.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on June 09, 2022, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 09, 2022, 03:12:17 PMSails a bit close to the 'good tory' rhetoric here.

I don't think he's saying either are good. Just similar in their views. That one is a Tory and one is the leader of the Labour Party  does say more about the Labour Party leader though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: bgmnts on June 09, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
I think the point is you could easily swap Starmer and Stewart's parties and there'd be no difference.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 09, 2022, 04:37:18 PM
Lot of people in the wackier parts of the revolutionary left (Workers Power, in Mason's case) eventually decided they liked money and being invited to nice parties more than they liked their principles. Luckily, I never thought Paul Mason was worth a shit anyway, especially now he's saying stuff like the only people who don't like Starmer are those who don't understand Marxism.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 09, 2022, 04:47:49 PM
Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on June 09, 2022, 03:41:58 PMI don't think he's saying either are good. Just similar in their views. That one is a Tory and one is the leader of the Labour Party  does say more about the Labour Party leader though.

He's bollocksed the poll with saying 'Stewart is affable, Starmer shifty and dislikeable'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 09, 2022, 04:54:07 PM
naff tweet but its true that Starmer lacks even the basic confidence/trustworthiness of appearing relaxed and comfortable inside his own party, even with his own talking points. He acts like someone who's looking for a new job but doesn't want anyone else in the office to catch on. what centrists think comes across as flexibility translates as being impersonal and insincere as soon as it hits the media

hypothetically if Johnson was replaced by someone who came across as having deep convictions, a flag fucker or a city boy, Starmer would have a very hard job in debates and public appearances. though Rory Stewart is fucking miles away from being that hypothetical person
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 09, 2022, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: pcsjwgm on June 09, 2022, 03:00:05 PMPaul Mason has been working with an intelligence contractor to launch a McCarthyite attack on independent media, the UK left and other elements of an ostensibly China-linked, "pro-Putin" network, including "Muslim Community", "Trade Unions", and "Black Community". Difficult to conceive of where his degeneration goes from here.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/paul-masons-covert-intelligence-grayzone/

In his response to this expose, Mason doesn't actually deny the authenticity of the leaked emails. He urges "colleagues in the Labour and trade union movement to remain vigilant against the information war being waged upon us", as if it isn't his own role to wage an infowar on the Labour left and trade unions.
https://paulmasonnews.medium.com/response-to-grayzone-article-82d1a1ff6ce6

Where have I seen that spider diagram before? Was it earlier in this thread?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 09, 2022, 05:50:53 PM
Paul Mason is a silly old cunt who lost his marbles years ago
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on June 09, 2022, 06:15:33 PM
And so is Michael Fish.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on June 09, 2022, 07:03:46 PM
Meeehhhuuuuh the alt-right conspiracist org-chart has always been celebrated for its excellence.

There is a nominally left-wing  conspiracist org-chart by Paul Mason, inspired by that same alt-right excellence. It's got black activists and trade unions and, like the best fascist network diagrams, it's vintage batshit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 09, 2022, 09:14:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUy5E8RWQAAXnMh?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Quote@Alan_McGuinness
Labour leader Keir Starmer holds a pint of Guinness with his face on at the Guinness Storehouse in Dublin.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: The Culture Bunker on June 09, 2022, 09:30:38 PM
I went to school with an Alan McGuinness, and he wound up years later on a Sky TV show called something like "Most Embarrassing Sex Injuries", after he snapped his banjo string while on the job with some willing lass.

Some kind of synchronicity with that picture, I suspect.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on June 09, 2022, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 09, 2022, 05:50:53 PMPaul Mason is a silly old cunt who lost his marbles years ago

Paul Mason beat me up at school once. Not that Paul Mason admittedly but it still hurt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on June 09, 2022, 09:52:21 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 08, 2022, 10:20:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/OvensComedy/status/1533915706139492354

Looks like a sfw wimblewrong
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 09, 2022, 11:24:37 PM
1) teletubbies sun carved out of ham

2) the bit in Ash V Evil Dead where the baby crawls inside a dead body and wears it like a suit
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 10, 2022, 01:53:54 AM
Quote from: Jockice on June 09, 2022, 09:32:52 PMPaul Mason beat me up at school once. Not that Paul Mason admittedly but it still hurt.
you could beat up this Paul Mason in vengeance. no really, you could. it'd be like crushing red spider mites on a window sill for how feeble he is
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on June 10, 2022, 05:27:22 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 10, 2022, 01:53:54 AMyou could beat up this Paul Mason in vengeance. no really, you could. it'd be like crushing red spider mites on a window sill for how feeble he is

He was a big bastard though. Probably about twice my size at the time. In the first year at secondary.Fell out while playing football and it led to fisticuffs from him. I just sort of whimpered.

I've only ever seen him once since schooldays, rather bizarrely in a sauna. A legitimate one that is. At Ponds Forge. He was still a lot bigger than me. In every possible way.
Title: Something Rotten
Post by: Buelligan on June 10, 2022, 07:24:33 AM
Quote from: pcsjwgm on June 09, 2022, 03:00:05 PMPaul Mason has been working with an intelligence contractor to launch a McCarthyite attack on independent media, the UK left and other elements of an ostensibly China-linked, "pro-Putin" network, including "Muslim Community", "Trade Unions", and "Black Community". Difficult to conceive of where his degeneration goes from here.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/paul-masons-covert-intelligence-grayzone/

In his response to this expose, Mason doesn't actually deny the authenticity of the leaked emails. He urges "colleagues in the Labour and trade union movement to remain vigilant against the information war being waged upon us", as if it isn't his own role to wage an infowar on the Labour left and trade unions.
https://paulmasonnews.medium.com/response-to-grayzone-article-82d1a1ff6ce6

Interestingly, to me, anyway, Mason appears to be intending to stand as Labour candidate in the Stretford and Urmston constituency.  I'm sure we all remember a past member (not to be mentioned here), who could easily have knitted that diagram using only his own brain-worms.  Very vociferous on subjects like The White Helmets and ANTISEMITISM;Corbyn's Wrongs #8245–8249 & 117, a signatory of the Euston Manifesto and all round terrible cunt, now sharing his malicious drivel enthusiastically on twitter, who was a big smell in old Stretford and Urmston.  Two peas in a urinal.  Glad I'm not in Manchester.  Or the UK.

https://labourlist.org/2022/06/nec-elections-update-and-longlisting-in-stretford-and-urmston-and-derby-north/

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 10, 2022, 07:56:10 AM
I was reminded of the not to be mentioned past member this week when I looked up a bit of a legend in UK techno on Twitter and found that'd he'd re-posted a few bits of his. Said techno producer also said that "Corbyn had an easy ride from the right-wing press compared to Starmer".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 10, 2022, 08:15:03 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on June 10, 2022, 07:56:10 AM"Corbyn had an easy ride from the right-wing press compared to Starmer".

How can anyone say that with a straight face? Has Starmer been smeared as a Czech spy, dancing at the Cenotaph?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 10, 2022, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on June 10, 2022, 07:56:10 AMI was reminded of the not to be mentioned past member this week when I looked up a bit of a legend in UK techno on Twitter and found that'd he'd re-posted a few bits of his. Said techno producer also said that "Corbyn had an easy ride from the right-wing press compared to Starmer".

It's fun to see which guys are losing the plot, Danny Rampling and Norris 'Da Boss' Windross both appearing alongside Right Said Fred at Hope festival to raise money for school 'truthers'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: madhair60 on June 10, 2022, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: Buelligan on June 10, 2022, 07:24:33 AMInterestingly, to me, anyway, Mason appears to be intending to stand as Labour candidate in the Stretford and Urmston constituency.  I'm sure we all remember a past member (not to be mentioned here), who could easily have knitted that diagram using only his own brain-worms.  Very vociferous on subjects like The White Helmets and ANTISEMITISM;Corbyn's Wrongs #8245–8249 & 117, a signatory of the Euston Manifesto and all round terrible cunt, now sharing his malicious drivel enthusiastically on twitter, who was a big smell in old Stretford and Urmston.  Two peas in a urinal.  Glad I'm not in Manchester.  Or the UK.

https://labourlist.org/2022/06/nec-elections-update-and-longlisting-in-stretford-and-urmston-and-derby-north/



missed you Buelligan
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 10, 2022, 12:16:45 PM
Yeah same here. Great to have you back!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on June 10, 2022, 12:27:03 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 09, 2022, 09:14:44 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUy5E8RWQAAXnMh?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)


I know brew dog are bunch of shits but it would be nice to see them do a 0.25% keith beige ipa
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 10, 2022, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 10, 2022, 11:45:30 AMmissed you Buelligan

Was getting worried.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Kelvin on June 10, 2022, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on June 10, 2022, 07:24:33 AMInterestingly, to me, anyway, Mason appears to be intending to stand as Labour candidate in the Stretford and Urmston constituency.  I'm sure we all remember a past member (not to be mentioned here), who could easily have knitted that diagram using only his own brain-worms.  Very vociferous on subjects like The White Helmets and ANTISEMITISM;Corbyn's Wrongs #8245–8249 & 117, a signatory of the Euston Manifesto and all round terrible cunt, now sharing his malicious drivel enthusiastically on twitter, who was a big smell in old Stretford and Urmston.  Two peas in a urinal.  Glad I'm not in Manchester.  Or the UK.

https://labourlist.org/2022/06/nec-elections-update-and-longlisting-in-stretford-and-urmston-and-derby-north/


Lovely to see you back Buellers! :)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 10, 2022, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 10, 2022, 09:16:35 AMIt's fun to see which guys are losing the plot, Danny Rampling and Norris 'Da Boss' Windross both appearing alongside Right Said Fred at Hope festival to raise money for school 'truthers'.

Kirk DeGiorgio though? He's not lost the plot as in COVID denial etc, but more virulently anti-Corbyn / Pro-Starmer mainly based on the antisemitism matter.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 10, 2022, 01:40:21 PM
"I'm not connecting with the public..
Am I out of touch?

No, this 120 page book will show the public that they're wrong"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on June 10, 2022, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 09, 2022, 09:14:44 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUy5E8RWQAAXnMh?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

This photo is so boring that I actually fell asleep looking at it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: iamcoop on June 10, 2022, 05:52:56 PM
Been laughing at that Paul Mason graph for about 4 days now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 10, 2022, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 09, 2022, 09:14:44 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUy5E8RWQAAXnMh?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Mmmm let me kiss you, beer-Starmer!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 10, 2022, 10:19:49 PM
Terrible use of the width attribute, deserves glory.

(https://i.imgur.com/f7ziZvA.png)

A bit of the 'fava beans and a big amarone' about him there.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Tombola on June 10, 2022, 11:03:26 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1200x675/p036gn5d.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 10, 2022, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 10, 2022, 09:16:35 AMIt's fun to see which guys are losing the plot, Danny Rampling and Norris 'Da Boss' Windross both appearing alongside Right Said Fred at Hope festival to raise money for school 'truthers'.

There's some right wingnut Ravey Davey Gravies involved in that Freedom Music Festival:

https://twitter.com/Nullen80/status/1531560037390462976

https://djmarkdevlin.com/events/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MusicalTruth/posts/3182282645390224/

MUSICAL TRUTH!!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 12:12:28 AM
As I pass the testing centre I heard them say
(How does it feel when you've got that mask?)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2022, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Zero Gravitas on June 10, 2022, 10:19:49 PMA bit of the 'fava beans and a big amarone' about him there.


I was thinking more "I must shit ... in secret"

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Theremin on June 11, 2022, 07:27:02 AM
Can someone who's good at skin tell me what's going on with his face?

Is it sun-damage? Gout?

Bloating from drinking too much pleb blood?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 11, 2022, 08:20:25 AM
A barber once told me that Kieth clearly gels his hair while wet for it to look like that, just makes me think how crusty and flakey it must be.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 11, 2022, 08:27:07 AM
I think it's that he got to 54 still looking passable for 40, and seems to have crammed 19 years worth of aging into 4.

I like to think this is his body internally diarrhoeaing in protest at the bastard heel turn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 11, 2022, 10:51:07 AM
Has he hired a 7ft tall photographer?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 12:44:37 PM
Sounds like everyone's feeling a little listless in big keef hq.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/11/not-full-of-confidence-labour-frets-over-starmers-response-to-tory-chaos

Another rebrand soon come?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 11, 2022, 02:30:22 PM
Oh god, not more homework.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Blumf on June 11, 2022, 02:30:22 PMOh god, not more homework.

I quite liked the bitter jibe about him sat in his ivory tower writing his book while the people at the coal face are left with no direction.

QuoteThat means that while Starmer may be writing a book on his political philosophy, some of his closest colleagues still struggle to understand what their leader stands for. "What is his project?" asked one shadow minister.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 11, 2022, 02:35:58 PM
Did they ever finish the policy analysis? That was due around now wasn't it? Or was it 2023?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: Ferris on June 11, 2022, 02:35:58 PMDid they ever finish the policy analysis? That was due around now wasn't it? Or was it 2023?

You mean the one Annelise Dodds was doing? Yet when asked about policy the other week just mumbled something about the website?

To be fair as an absolute weasel if I was given that task I'd assume there's no point starting it because they'll have changed their mind umpteen times before it's due.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 11, 2022, 02:42:33 PM
Polices, reports, plans, vision for the future - the guy doesn't release anything. I expect is the same for farts, no wonder he looks so bad.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 11, 2022, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 02:38:11 PMYou mean the one Annelise Dodds was doing? Yet when asked about policy the other week just mumbled something about the website?

Yeah that's the one. Sounds like she's stuck in!

QuoteTo be fair as an absolute weasel if I was given that task I'd assume there's no point starting it because they'll have changed their mind umpteen times before it's due.

Yeah same for me - wait until a month before the deadline and check if it's still needed, then dash something off if so.

Then again, I'm not trying to rebuild trust in a foundering organization.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 11, 2022, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 12:44:37 PMSounds like everyone's feeling a little listless in big keef hq.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/11/not-full-of-confidence-labour-frets-over-starmers-response-to-tory-chaos

Another rebrand soon come?

Quote"I think he doesn't get enough credit for segueing out of Corbynism without being pulled into a betrayal narrative," said one senior party figure. "The membership know what he's trying to do. He's taken them on a journey and they're now his members and they're his people."

Pulled into a betrayal narrative? Why did hundreds of thousands of people leave the party then? Also 'going on a journey' is Frank Lampard tier shite.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 11, 2022, 03:47:11 PM
Can't believe someone genuinely used "on a journey". It'll be "we go again" soon enough.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 11, 2022, 03:48:27 PM
As someone still in the party, I will never be his member or his person. Voting against his bullshit every chance I get.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 11, 2022, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 11, 2022, 03:48:27 PMAs someone still in the party, I will never be his member or his person. Voting against his bullshit every chance I get.

Yep, same.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on June 11, 2022, 04:15:11 PM
It's gonna be Streeting next. May as well just get used to it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 11, 2022, 04:19:15 PM
The man weirder looking and acting than Ed Miliband and plainly less trustworthy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 11, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Would get me closer to tearing my card up, the promise of slow background democratic restoration of the party is all well and good, but if I'm also forced to get mental flashes of that face on a head whenever I read official communications I'm gonna snap.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 11, 2022, 05:39:37 PM
More elected members of local Liverpool branch resign in disgust:

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/06/10/liverpool-labour-group-loses-two-thirds-of-remaining-officers-as-vice-chair-and-treasurer-quit-party-in-disgust/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on June 11, 2022, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 11, 2022, 04:19:15 PMThe man weirder looking and acting than Ed Miliband and plainly less trustworthy.

He gave a good performance on Question Time the other day. Actually managed to sound like a socialist. I didn't believe a word of it, but many will. So he'll get the votes the same way Starmer did.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 11, 2022, 08:19:53 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/11/poll-says-keir-starmer-worse-choice-for-pm-than-boris-johnson?

This doesn't look good for Corbyn Starmer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2022, 09:09:32 PM
Video - open for a surprise
https://twitter.com/Agitate4Change/status/1535705691985412096
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Poobum on June 11, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Hahaha, that's brilliant. Suits him perfectly.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 11, 2022, 09:18:09 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/10/keir-starmer-thatcher-wrong-british-society/

Quote"The trouble with this kind of photoshoot is that people look at the surroundings and assume it's my living room," says Sir Keir Starmer. "I did one in Scotland and there were piles of books on architecture lying around. People did all this analysis of what I was reading."

Sadly I couldn't read the rest as I didn't want to give the Telegraph any money. I'm pretty sure it encouraged the proletariat to seize the means of production and guillotine the oligarchs though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 11, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 11, 2022, 09:18:09 PMhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/10/keir-starmer-thatcher-wrong-british-society/

Sadly I couldn't read the rest as I didn't want to give the Telegraph any money. I'm pretty sure it encouraged the proletariat to seize the means of production and guillotine the oligarchs though.

Seems I can. I like this bit:

QuoteHe gave another curiously flat display at Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday. It is often said that attacking the Government at these set pieces is all the harder when you are confronted with an open goal – and Starmer did his best to spoon it over the bar from five yards out.

Keir Starmer: 'Thatcher was wrong about British society'

The Labour leader on why he doesn't believe in showmanship and how he hopes that the political pendulum is swinging towards competence

Starmer: 'I don't buy into the argument that politics is a celebrity business and you have to be a showman'


"The trouble with this kind of photoshoot is that people look at the surroundings and assume it's my living room," says Sir Keir Starmer. "I did one in Scotland and there were piles of books on architecture lying around. People did all this analysis of what I was reading."

The photographer has taken us to a very well-appointed suite on the top floor of the FitzWilliam hotel in Belfast. Starmer is visiting the city to talk to local politicians and businesses about the Northern Ireland protocol. He takes another look around. "They'll be complaining I've spent £10,000 on the blinds and saying: 'Look at his lime green chair. What does it mean?'"

No doubt most public figures face similar levels of scrutiny in the age of social media. But the cod analysis of Starmer is perhaps exacerbated by the fact that, more than two years on from him taking over as leader of the Labour party, he remains something of a public enigma.

The former head of the Crown Prosecution Service shifts uncomfortably in a chair and then stands stiffly on the balcony as the photographer directs him. Incongruously, the Blackadder theme tune is playing over the room's sound system. It is remarkable how much more at ease and personable he is when cameras are off and we are chatting one-on-one.

I'm far from the only one to notice the difference. In a BBC interview earlier this week, Starmer's deputy Angela Rayner said: "When I'm with Keir and there's not a camera in his face he's such a funny character and such a nice guy." She suggested his time as a lawyer had conditioned him to take the passion out of his public performances. Rayner, who has at times been accused of a surfeit of passion, said she often wants him to "put more welly into it".
Starmer with deputy Angela Rayner – she has said she wants him to "put more welly into it" Credit: Eddie Mulholland

The question is whether Starmer's inability to emote and perform in front of the cameras is a fatal flaw in a modern politician. After all, the 59-year-old is not going to be able to tour the country having one-on-one conversations with every member of the electorate.

He gave another curiously flat display at Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday. It is often said that attacking the Government at these set pieces is all the harder when you are confronted with an open goal – and Starmer did his best to spoon it over the bar from five yards out.

The general consensus was that this week couldn't have gone much better for the Labour party. On Monday, Boris Johnson faced a vote of no confidence from the MPs in his own party and only narrowly won. The Prime Minister is badly wounded, his authority damaged and his ability to govern compromised. And yet, with Johnson's jugular exposed, Starmer chose to quiz him on health policy rather than internecine warfare in the Tory party.

Over the past two years, the Labour leader has been pitched against one of the great entertainers of modern politics. Arguably this has thrown his own woodenness into stark relief. But Starmer is hoping that the political pendulum is swinging back from charisma and towards competence.

"I don't buy into the argument that politics is a celebrity business and you have to be a showman," he says. "Politics and governing countries is a serious business. It requires focus, dedication, integrity, and application of the highest standards.

"I think the country's a bit tired of the idea that it's all a bit of entertainment. In the middle of a cost of living crisis, people are less interested in laughing at the Prime Minister's jokes and more interested in what he's actually doing to help them pay their bills."

Starmer believes that it is the building economic crisis, as much as the issues around Partygate and whether Johnson lied to Parliament, that has led to the Prime Minister facing mutiny in his ranks. "I think that some of his MPs would probably be prepared to overlook some of the trust issues if they thought he had a plan and was delivering."
Placeholder image for youtube video: wL_taLF759w

He was surprised, he says, at the size of the vote against Johnson and believes the Prime Minister was, too. But he also believes the failure to oust him will further tarnish the Conservative brand.

"Tory MPs had a very clear choice on Monday: show some backbone and get rid of him or prop him up. And they've chosen to prop him up. They have chosen to weld themselves to Boris Johnson knowing all of his failings."

"There are plenty of colleagues saying this is the best outcome for the Labour Party: a deeply damaged Prime Minister who is unpopular out there across the country. I think that's right. So whatever the party interests may be, it's in the national interest that he goes now, not least because issues, like those in Northern Ireland, need to be resolved. I don't mind who I face in the general election. I really don't."

Starmer is also hoping that those who need convincing of his abilities to lead a fractious nation in difficult times will look to his track record of leading a fractious political party in difficult times. He also believes that the work he has done in transforming Labour following the ousting of Jeremy Cobyn as leader is the best demonstration of his hidden fire.

"You don't make the changes we've made to the Labour party over the last two years without being absolutely passionate about the need to win," says Starmer. "When I took over most people told me it wasn't possible for Labour to come off the back of that general election loss [in 2019] and win the next general election. I've never believed that.

"Since the day I took over as leader of a party, I've been utterly focused on how I transform it from one that lost very badly in 2019 to one that can win an election.

It is clear in terms of what we've done on anti-Semitism, the strong stance we're taking on Nato, the way we have developed a very pro-business approach on the economy."

He also cites the rule changes that have been made and which will govern the party's next leadership contest. These should make it less likely the top job will go to a candidate from the more radical fringes. So is he ready to declare "mission accomplished" on changing the Labour party?

"It's never job done. We've done a significant amount. When someone like Louise Ellman rejoined the Labour Party, who had left it because of their concerns over anti-Semitism, yeah, that was a special moment," he says. "I'd always said that whether we were making progress on anti-Semitism was not for me to judge. It was for other people who had left the Labour party or felt they couldn't vote for the Labour party."

Does he think it is possible that Corbyn will ever be allowed to rejoin Labour? "Jeremy's obviously lost the whip. And I think it's very difficult to see circumstances now in which that situation is going to be resolved."

In another sign of how much the party has changed, Mick Lynch, the general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers union, recently claimed Starmer is "not on the side of workers" and that Labour has become a "bland democratic party". Lynch suggested that other unions are considering their affiliation to Labour.

With the UK facing a chaotic summer of strikes, including mass strikes across the national rail network to cause disruption in mid-June, Starmer probably won't mind a few insults being hurled his way by more militant trade unionists like Lynch.

"Nobody wants to see strikes and all the disruption that they cause," says Starmer. "We want the strikes averted and we urge everyone to come back around the table to negotiate. There is still time to stop this massive inconvenience to the public."

Having overhauled the party, his second task was then to expose the Government as unfit. That's been the work of the last six to nine months, in which Starmer says he's been "ably assisted by Boris Johnson".

The third task is to lay out the Labour party's programme for government. This leg of Starmer's agenda is still very much a work in progress. He and Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, have repeatedly bashed the Tories for being the party of "low growth and high taxes".

"Low growth is the single biggest challenge that we face – that is the Achilles heel of this Government," says Starmer. "The growth over 12 years has been very, very poor and very, very low. There's no point blaming Covid. There's no point attributing this all to Ukraine."

But the obvious questions are: what would Labour do to boost growth and which taxes would it lower?

It is notable that the main point on which the party has recently driven the political agenda has been in getting the Government to impose a windfall tax on energy companies to raise money to help households struggling with their utility bills. Having initially rebuffed Labour's calls for a windfall tax, Chancellor Rishi Sunak eventually pulled a screeching U-turn and imposed an even bigger levy than Reeves had demanded. However, that has only added to the nation's already enormous tax burden.

Earlier this week, Lord Mandelson, one of the architects of New Labour, called for the Labour party to "raise its sights" and for Starmer to "accelerate" the development of policies in order to "turn the intellectual tide" rather than just wait for Johnson's government to implode.

Sir Tony Blair has also urged Starmer to lay out a programme that is "radical without being dangerous" and one shadow cabinet minister has been quoted as saying: "Keir still needs to set out a vision beyond primary colours."
Starmer during this week's Prime Minister's Questions

Starmer is not wholly convinced. "We need the broad framework. We need that optimistic, aspirational, ambitious vision for Britain. But two years before an election – if that's what it is – it's primary colours that matter.

"If there's one thing I'm not short of, it's advice from other people on what we need to do to take the Labour party forward." That said, he does admit to having regular contact with New Labour grandees like "Peter, Tony and Gordon".

"I'm very mindful of the fact that the Labour Party won three elections from 1997 onwards, we haven't won since and I'm determined that we're going to win the next general election," he says. He adds that Labour has been talking to the "winning teams" in the US, Germany and Australia. "We are making sure that we've got a world class campaign when it comes to the next general election."

Rumour has it that Labour is planning a blitz of policy announcements in the lead up to the autumn conference in September. For now Starmer is keeping his cards very close to his chest. He talks of a skills deficit in the country. David Blunkett is heading up a commission on skills for young people but that remains a "work in progress".

Labour is also spending time on developing a preventative health strategy and looking at how the UK can lead the transition to new green energy solutions. Starmer also says he's focusing on "harnessing the spirit of the pandemic".

"If ever there was evidence that Margaret Thatcher was wrong about there being no such thing as society, we just saw it in the pandemic.

"Obviously, we now need to spell out what that alternative plan is. And, you know, we are spending a lot of time on that project. People will push me and ask: 'Where's the precise detail here? Where are the pounds and pence against every column?' At this stage, I'm not going to spell out in microscopic detail what we can do, because we could still be two years away from a general election."

It is perhaps understandable not to detail his policy agenda to the last pound and pence. But in broad terms, would he, for example, like to reduce the UK's overall tax burden?

"When I'm asked about tax, my first answer is we've got to grow the economy," he says, somewhat evasively. "As a general proposition, we want to keep taxes as low as we can to ensure that the economy thrives and grows. But at the same time, we do need a fair taxation system."

I try to drill down into specifics. Labour opposed the Government's increase in National Insurance contributions by 1.5 per cent, which came into effect in April, just as inflation was racing towards double figures. Would Starmer reverse it? "If we were in government we wouldn't have brought it in. And that's why we voted against it."

But, given the policy has now been implemented, would he reverse it? "We voted against it because it was the wrong tax at the wrong time. It's taxing working people and businesses as we're coming out of Covid and right in the middle of a cost of living crisis."

I point out that the economy is likely to be struggling to recover and inflation high for some time to come and give him one more opportunity to commit to reversing the National Insurance hike. "We'll set out our plans nearer the election for everybody to see," he says.

Starmer couldn't be in a better place to demonstrate the importance of pragmatism and practicality in overcoming passion. After PMQs on Wednesday, he flew to Dublin to meet the Irish President Michael Higgins, the Taoiseach Micheál Martin as well as members of the Irish business community. He spent Thursday and Friday in Belfast.

His visit came against the backdrop of a threat by Johnson's government to rip up a post-Brexit trade deal for Northern Ireland. In response, the European Commission has said it will respond to any unilateral UK move on the protocol by "using the legal and political tools" – raising the prospect of a trade war.

"A lot of issues remain under the Northern Ireland protocol – I'm not going to pretend there aren't issues," says Starmer. "But with good faith, with guile, with graft, with statecraft, and with trust, they can be resolved." He places a special emphasis on the word "trust" and emphatically argues that the solution wouldn't be found "through unilaterally introducing legislation, which could breach international law".

Starmer thinks that the starting point for the resolution of challenges in Northern Ireland must be the Good Friday Agreement, which "is as important today as it was on the day it was signed". However, he believes this route to resolution is being undermined by the lack of trust that the various parties have in the present occupant of Number 10.

"The idea was that the British Prime Minister, of whichever political party, would be the honest broker – a sort of guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement along with Ireland – and that's the role that successive Prime Ministers have played," says Starmer.

"But I have been really struck – both in Dublin and Belfast – at the lack of trust in this Prime Minister. Nobody sees him as an honest broker. And that is a fundamental problem."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 11, 2022, 11:38:43 PM
Quote"Tory MPs had a very clear choice on Monday: show some backbone and get rid of him or prop him up. And they've chosen to prop him up. They have chosen to weld themselves to Boris Johnson

Such a fucking moron. They didn't, they are deeply divided and he should be playing on the fact the government are divided.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 12, 2022, 12:27:53 AM
Its inexplicable that he is unwilling to mount an attack on tory indecisiveness, especially given as its a line Johnson trotted out to attack him. Instead he's saying that if Johnson had a plan the tories would pull together behind him.  Fucking hell

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on June 12, 2022, 07:19:22 AM
Love "Fed up with the state of the Britain? Why not bring in the people who run the Labour Party?" as an argument.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 12, 2022, 08:42:10 AM
The conspiracy narrative that Starmer isn't actually trying to get Labour elected in 2024 resurfaces.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 12, 2022, 08:45:13 AM
Any other Labour leader etc.

Johnson must be so glad Starmar is Labour leader.

QuoteBoris Johnson makes a better prime minister than Keir Starmer would despite Partygate, the cost of living crisis and the confidence vote in Johnson held by his MPs, according to the latest Observer poll.

The Opinium figures, which will raise further concerns within Labour over the party leader's performance, shows that the prime minister has a two-point lead over his opponent. It also reveals that Starmer's party holds a narrow two-point lead, compared with a three-point lead in the last poll a fortnight ago. Labour are on 36% of the vote, with the Tories up one point on 34%. The Lib Dems are on 13% with the Greens on 6%...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 12, 2022, 08:52:48 AM
Keith's inability to translate any of the anger over the Covid parties to support for Labour is criminally incompetent.

Desperately sad Corbyn couldn't have not agreed to the election and hung on for a few months to be opposition leader during Covid, which would have - temporarily - swept away Brexit as an issue. He would have marmalised Johnson and Hancock. What's more, it would still have been a hung parliament.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 12, 2022, 10:19:06 AM
QuoteHaving initially rebuffed Labour's calls for a windfall tax, Chancellor Rishi Sunak eventually pulled a screeching U-turn and imposed an even bigger levy than Reeves had demanded. However, that has only added to the nation's already enormous tax burden.

Oh no! I feel so enormously burdened by the taxes fossil fuel corporations have to pay.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 12, 2022, 10:21:18 AM
Anyone but the deluded cult of the Labour right would've known that having no policies, no personality, no vision and basically nothing to offer but more of the same (but boring) was a terrible strategy.

No doubt they'll spin it that Keith is actually laying the groundwork and winning back trust for the next Labour leader to go big, after five years of moaning that winning was all that matters and anything else is purity politics nonsense.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on June 12, 2022, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 12, 2022, 08:52:48 AMDesperately sad Corbyn couldn't have not agreed to the election and hung on for a few months to be opposition leader during Covid, which would have - temporarily - swept away Brexit as an issue. He would have marmalised Johnson and Hancock. What's more, it would still have been a hung parliament.

Yeah, it was a bad decision at the time, even when we didn't know what the next few months would bring. But it's a decision that's become worse and worse as time has gone on. We'd have had an election last month and Corbyn would be PM now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 12, 2022, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 12, 2022, 08:52:48 AMKeith's inability to translate any of the anger over the Covid parties to support for Labour is criminally incompetent.

Desperately sad Corbyn couldn't have not agreed to the election and hung on for a few months to be opposition leader during Covid, which would have - temporarily - swept away Brexit as an issue. He would have marmalised Johnson and Hancock. What's more, it would still have been a hung parliament.

I recall the Tories being very popular in the early days of COVID probably because of furlough
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: JohnnyCouncil on June 12, 2022, 11:09:15 AM
All hypothetical but doubt he would have lasted this long. The bluetick trend for 'supporting the government in a time of crisis' would have ousted him. Plus y'know the whole antisemitism thing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 12, 2022, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: olliebean on June 11, 2022, 07:06:28 PMHe gave a good performance on Question Time the other day. Actually managed to sound like a socialist. I didn't believe a word of it, but many will. So he'll get the votes the same way Starmer did.

This Question Time?

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2022/06/tom-harwood-and-art-of-lying.html?m=1

To be fair I didn't watch it. Never do. It angers up the blood.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 12, 2022, 01:27:03 PM
jfc.

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1535908626216493056

'Do you support the RMT strikes, Rachel Reeves?'

'Ur, I'm not a train, I'm the shadow chancellor'

This is the quality of the Labour front bench.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 12, 2022, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 12, 2022, 08:42:10 AMThe conspiracy narrative that Starmer isn't actually trying to get Labour elected in 2024 resurfaces.

if they're following the democrat model then there is the belief that there is money in monopolising opposition and "organising" than there is in taking power at the center. or just that one more cycle is necessary to purge the rot and embed themselves in the market

this labour party is far too milquetoast to even be the party of NGOs and activist-ism tho
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 12, 2022, 02:13:36 PM
I am a train who works in the train industry and I have more humanity and agency than Rachel Reeves. Toot toot!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Spoon of Ploff on June 12, 2022, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 12, 2022, 01:27:03 PMjfc.

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1535908626216493056

'Do you support the RMT strikes, Rachel Reeves?'

'Ur, I'm not a train, I'm the shadow chancellor'

This is the quality of the Labour front bench.

(https://i.imgur.com/4k9c3ds.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: olliebean on June 12, 2022, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: jobotic on June 12, 2022, 11:13:05 AMThis Question Time?

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2022/06/tom-harwood-and-art-of-lying.html?m=1

To be fair I didn't watch it. Never do. It angers up the blood.

Yes, that was the one. The main thing he said that ought to play well with socialists (those who believe him, anyway) was calling for renationalisation of the railways. Worth about as much as Starmer's pledge on public ownership, I daresay.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 12, 2022, 06:49:02 PM
well having Reeves about cancels that one out, so...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on June 12, 2022, 08:06:26 PM
Ooh the political pendulum is swinging towards competence. Sexy, sexy competence. Is that what he is selling? That he isn't a fucking useless, lying bag of shit? I suppose targets should be achievable. It's not going to inspire the young to go out and vote though is it. Vote beige
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2022, 08:16:22 PM
I don't even think it means he won't lie, just that he'll lie competently and hopes he won't get found out.

His current work is not representative of that though, it's pretty easy to prove when he's lied it's just our press-appointed stenographers haven't bothered to do anything about it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 13, 2022, 11:21:37 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVHMwQ7WQAAythI?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Voters are asked which words they associate with Keith. Forensic not even on there.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 13, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Ooh he's being investigated (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/keir-starmer-faces-inquiry-over-alleged-breaches-of-mps-code-of-conduct) by the parliament standards commissioner over "earnings and gifts, benefits or hospitality". It's possible this is just shit-stirring by people even more right-wing than him. But like Beergate it doesn't help with the optics.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 13, 2022, 11:33:33 AM
lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Spoon of Ploff on June 13, 2022, 11:35:56 AM
Quote from: Quote on June 13, 2022, 11:21:37 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVHMwQ7WQAAythI?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Voters are asked which words they associate with Keith. Forensic not even on there.

so far i've found twat, arsehole, tosser, dick.... have i missed any?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 13, 2022, 11:47:52 AM
Competent rubbish
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on June 13, 2022, 12:14:50 PM
Owen Jones said that he's met Keir Starmer a few times in real life and he's as boring and as uncharismatic as he comes across. Ed Milliband, apparently, is lovely and charismatic in real life.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: Quote on June 13, 2022, 11:21:37 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVHMwQ7WQAAythI?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Voters are asked which words they associate with Keith. Forensic not even on there.

Not just me then.

To manage to be both boring and untrustworthy is astounding. Literally the only reason why you'd project boringness is if you thought the public would find you otherwise trustworthy.

My favourite one is the slightly blurry 'tosser'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 13, 2022, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: lipsink on June 13, 2022, 12:14:50 PMOwen Jones said that he's met Keir Starmer a few times in real life and he's as boring and as uncharismatic as he comes across. Ed Milliband, apparently, is lovely and charismatic in real life.

Had a pal who was getting into journalism in the Clegg/Cameron era. He said Clegg seemed like a slimy fucker, and although he didn't like him as such, Osbourne was one of the nicer ones to speak to in person.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 12:19:16 PM
Kind of weird that

'tumour'

Wasn't on there, even in smaller letters.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 13, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 12:16:39 PMMy favourite one is the slightly blurry 'tosser'.
(https://c.tenor.com/vp7s5OGK-RUAAAAd/enhance.gif)

(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/nintchdbpict000739945804-4-jpg.249193/)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 13, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
communist
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 13, 2022, 12:36:12 PM
If a left wing Labour MP stood against this utter waste of sperm, would it be the MPs mainly voting like the Tories or do the members get more of a say? Because surely many of the members and unions must be fed up of him destroying the Labour Party as an electable force.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: FalknerHinton on June 13, 2022, 12:38:35 PM
Quote from: Spoon of Ploff on June 13, 2022, 11:35:56 AMso far i've found twat, arsehole, tosser, dick.... have i missed any?

tory
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 13, 2022, 12:43:10 PM
This hospitality thing is an absolute nothing. But he's made this rod for his own back.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 13, 2022, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Spoon of Ploff on June 13, 2022, 11:35:56 AMso far i've found twat, arsehole, tosser, dick.... have i missed any?

Cock
Bellend
Crap
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 12:47:34 PM
Bellend, lol.

'Gravesite'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 13, 2022, 12:57:15 PM
na
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 13, 2022, 01:09:16 PM
Basically hearsay at the moment but:

QuoteHave seen some compelling suggestions that the story touted for why Starmer is in trouble with the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner is a load of bollocks, and that it's either for something much more serious or they're outright covering for him.

🔐 acct so can't RT, but do you remember during the second jobs scandal some "legal advice" payments were added extremely late to Starmer's register of interests?

These were apparently before Starmer gave up his certificate to practise, so why did they take years to be added?

They either represent a pretty serious breach of standards by leaving it undeclared for the better part of two years, or Starmer lied about giving up his certificate to practise, or he's doing it without a certificate which could be illegal.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-keir-starmer-paid-thousands-for-legal-work-as-second-job-kbpd0vrrn

https://twitter.com/BareLeft/status/1536316155354284034

times link sans paywall https://archive.ph/Ojoeq
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pcsjwgm on June 13, 2022, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on June 10, 2022, 07:24:33 AMInterestingly, to me, anyway, Mason appears to be intending to stand as Labour candidate in the Stretford and Urmston constituency.  I'm sure we all remember a past member (not to be mentioned here), who could easily have knitted that diagram using only his own brain-worms.  Very vociferous on subjects like The White Helmets and ANTISEMITISM;Corbyn's Wrongs #8245–8249 & 117, a signatory of the Euston Manifesto and all round terrible cunt, now sharing his malicious drivel enthusiastically on twitter, who was a big smell in old Stretford and Urmston.  Two peas in a urinal.  Glad I'm not in Manchester.  Or the UK.

https://labourlist.org/2022/06/nec-elections-update-and-longlisting-in-stretford-and-urmston-and-derby-north/



Didn't know the Kremlin's infiltration of the Labour Party was this deep. :(
(https://i.imgur.com/juDXCtT.png)
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1536103954756550656
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 13, 2022, 03:30:16 PM
time to get you back to bed paul
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 13, 2022, 03:30:16 PMtime to get you back to bed paul

Yes, probably a matter of patting him on the head and generally ignoring him at arms length like a brain damaged dog now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on June 13, 2022, 07:30:04 PM
"average cock"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 13, 2022, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: pcsjwgm on June 13, 2022, 03:28:57 PMDidn't know the Kremlin's infiltration of the Labour Party was this deep. :(
(https://i.imgur.com/juDXCtT.png)
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1536103954756550656

Paul is such a weird guy. So articulate and likeable when you see an interview with him but he's completely untrustworthy. Interested to see how his lawsuit with George Galloway plays out. Galloway is apparently suing Mason who accused him of laughing while Kim Leadbeater was being homophobically abused.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 13, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Quote on June 13, 2022, 11:21:37 AM(https://i.postimg.cc/dQWGGsFx/image.jpg)

Voters are asked which words they associate with Keith. Forensic not even on there.

Will they be putting that on a (beige) tee-shirt? I'd buy one.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 08:05:28 PM
How do you get such a split between untrustworthy and honest anyway?

I surmise a ridiculous amount of centrist projection. He has to be positive qualities because not jeamrorntahsCoebymeorn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 13, 2022, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 13, 2022, 08:05:28 PMHow do you get such a split between untrustworthy and honest anyway?

Be a politician in general and Keir Starmer in particular?

Or perhaps in his case; Be a politician in general and people will fill in the rest of the beige with imagined contrast to the opposition.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on June 13, 2022, 09:41:50 PM
Both "prat" and "pratt" made the cut. If only everyone had gone with a single spelling it could've been front and centre.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 13, 2022, 09:54:36 PM
Interesting that 'arsehole' is on there but not 'asshole'. Someone always uses the American spelling despite not being American. What's going on?

Also, what are 'word' and 'na' doing on there?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on June 13, 2022, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: greencalx on June 13, 2022, 07:30:04 PM"average cock"

"unreliable average cock"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 14, 2022, 10:47:49 AM
That word cloud is more interesting than anything Keir Starmer has ever said
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 14, 2022, 11:15:06 AM
I cannot believe anyone would use the words "brilliant" or "principled" about Kier Starmer. Was Starmer one of the people they asked?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 11:16:23 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 14, 2022, 11:15:06 AMI cannot believe anyone would use the words "brilliant" or "principled" about Kier Starmer. Was Starmer one of the people they asked?

well it appears to have tokenised single words so we can assume there was a preceding 'not'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 14, 2022, 11:19:11 AM
This was Johnson's in April:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUk4abwXoAUjQ4y?format=jpg&name=large)

"Person"
"Pretty"
"Times"

Some weird choices there. No swearing though.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 14, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
egotistical dying agenda queen
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: FalknerHinton on June 14, 2022, 11:36:29 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/yVxvpP4/26-D662-B7-A185-4-F42-B98-E-093-D191-B2-D82.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 11:37:27 AM
hahaha!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 14, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
Love a bit of Hutzposting
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on June 14, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 14, 2022, 11:19:11 AMThis was Johnson's in April:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUk4abwXoAUjQ4y?format=jpg&name=large)

I didn't realise they were placing the words so as to make the shape of the subject's head.

Now I'm aware of that, this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQWGGsFx/image.jpg)

does bear a striking resemblance to Kieth.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 14, 2022, 11:52:48 AM
Sounds like starmer knew exactly what he's done from that grauniad article:

Quotethe Labour leader told broadcasters that the allegations were not a surprise, adding: "My office is dealing with it and will be replying in due course."

...

Starmer's spokesperson said he had "apologised for the fact that administrative errors in his office have led to a small number of late declarations" and would provide further information to the standards commissioner

The fact they're apologizing and blaming admin staff tells me it's too obvious to be swept under the rug and it's all very "no comment" at the moment.

They've gone for un-foresmic in terms of PR spin so the truth could well be worse. Who knows?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 12:02:39 PM
Hideous
Wankpot
Stain
Malfeasant
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 14, 2022, 12:13:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZVVPqx2.gif)

How will Johnson recover from this?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on June 14, 2022, 11:52:26 AMI didn't realise they were placing the words so as to make the shape of the subject's head.

Now I'm aware of that, this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQWGGsFx/image.jpg)

does bear a striking resemblance to Kieth.

(https://i.imgur.com/0yH7dEx.png)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 14, 2022, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on June 14, 2022, 11:52:26 AMNow I'm aware of that, this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQWGGsFx/image.jpg)
does bear a striking resemblance to Kieth.

https://i.imgur.com/Oa4SQ5F.mp4

Why the hell do they hide the volume controls in the corner!?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: drummersaredeaf on June 14, 2022, 12:54:10 PM
Quote from: Old Thrashbarg on June 14, 2022, 11:52:26 AMI didn't realise they were placing the words so as to make the shape of the subject's head.

Now I'm aware of that, this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQWGGsFx/image.jpg)

does bear a striking resemblance to Kieth.

I asked my barman to put this in the top of a pint of Guinness and he told me to fuck off. I'm voting for whoever will make people want to work again!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 06:20:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/14/stop-calling-me-boring-keir-starmer-tells-shadow-cabinet

Lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Lemming on June 14, 2022, 06:39:08 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 06:20:38 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/14/stop-calling-me-boring-keir-starmer-tells-shadow-cabinet

Lol

QuoteSeveral of those around the table then echoed their leader's calls for unity and discretion, in a lengthy exchange described by one shadow frontbencher as "ironically very boring".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 14, 2022, 06:43:05 PM
Hopefully the shadow cabinet have seen that word cloud by now, in case they're looking for inspiration for alternatives.

(https://i.postimg.cc/dQWGGsFx/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 14, 2022, 07:33:48 PM
My "I'm not boring" speech has people saying a lot of things I told them not say in my speech
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 08:45:53 PM
Presumably 'dont' was half of 'don't know' but I like to imagine it was just the public abruptly replying DON'T as a warning against Starmer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 09:12:09 PM
Starmer quoted as saying 'We had too much time to find for ourselves'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 09:44:47 PM
Quotehttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/14/stop-calling-me-boring-keir-starmer-tells-shadow-cabinet

Pure laughter
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2022, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 08:45:53 PMPresumably 'dont' was half of 'don't know' but I like to imagine it was just the public abruptly replying DON'T as a warning against Starmer.
I basically imagine it as this
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-27-2016/mZCyrs.gif)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 10:44:10 PM
The public's reaction to Starmer is infuriating as they're so intuitive and perceptive in some ways, easily enough to run rings around Labour's PR, yet will allow any amount of latitude to Johnson cos 'Geezah'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 15, 2022, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 10:44:10 PMThe public's reaction to Starmer is infuriating as they're so intuitive and perceptive in some ways, easily enough to run rings around Labour's PR, yet will allow any amount of latitude to Johnson cos 'Geezah'.

I think they apply the "Who would I rather go for a pint with?" rule. The correct answer is, of course, neither, but that's what happens when you're told repeatedly that there are only two people you can go to the pub with at any one time.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 15, 2022, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 14, 2022, 09:44:47 PMPure laughter

"Keir Starmer has urged his shadow cabinet to stop briefing the press that he is boring, warning them: '.What's boring is being in opposition.'"

He sounds like a secondary-school deputy headmaster who's lost control of a morning assembly:

"BORING AM I, BOY? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S BORING: EXPULSION, UNEMPLOYMENT, POVERTY, PRISON!"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: drummersaredeaf on June 15, 2022, 08:35:19 AM
Quote from: Paul Calf on June 15, 2022, 08:23:47 AM"Keir Starmer has urged his shadow cabinet to stop briefing the press that he is boring, warning them: '.What's boring is being in opposition.'"

He sounds like a secondary-school deputy headmaster who's lost control of a morning assembly:

"BORING AM I, BOY? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S BORING: EXPULSION, UNEMPLOYMENT, POVERTY, PRISON!"

I said the exact same to some pals.

"You think you're cool now, but I'll tell you what I think is cool - getting 9 GCSEs and taking that nice apprenticeship at Screwfix".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 15, 2022, 08:35:53 AM
What's funniest is that his team deliberately shared that with the press on the basis it would make Starmer look tough... rather than as it has done, pathetic and witless.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 15, 2022, 08:52:46 AM
"Don't call me boring, I'm the son of a toolmaker"

"Don't call me boring, my name's Capone!"

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 15, 2022, 09:22:22 AM
IS THIS COOL? IS IT?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 15, 2022, 09:24:07 AM
OPPOSITION BENCHES: IS THIS COOL?

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2GJ1TTJ/opposition-mps-sit-on-the-benches-ahead-of-prime-ministers-questions-in-the-house-of-commons-london-2GJ1TTJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on June 15, 2022, 08:04:58 AMI think they apply the "Who would I rather go for a pint with?" rule.

Is it bad that I'd probably rather go for a pint with an unpleasant boorish oaf than someone who manages to suck the atmosphere out the entire pub?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on June 15, 2022, 09:55:00 AM
Johnson looks like he'd stink of cum whereas Starmer looks like he'd have the whiff of gas. So this has to be taken into consideration too.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 15, 2022, 10:06:31 AM
I reckon having a pint with Johnson would become dull after a few minutes. I doubt there are many original thoughts in his head. He is programmed solely for self advancement, greed and cosplaying at being a politician.

If I had to go for a pint with a party leader it would be Ian Blackford.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on June 15, 2022, 10:19:21 AM
Mharie Black.

Or down the allotment with Corbs.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on June 15, 2022, 11:41:35 AM
I'm in a teams meeting at the moment with John McDonnell. He's already spoken and he's now eating biscuits. My kind of guy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 12:17:21 PM
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1537029063000350726

Nobody who likes Star Wars could be a boring man!

Heres a vid. Good christ this is cringiest thing ive seen at parliament.
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV3/status/1537029798219984896
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 15, 2022, 12:25:57 PM
Starmer having a go at Corbyn at PMQs:

Quote"My personal favourite is this... they call him the Conservative Corbyn, prime minister, I don't think that was intended as a compliment," he says.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 15, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
He's such a fucking cunt.

Racist deportations, fascist attacks on lawyers, breaking international law?

Starmer and Evans think "attack the left".




Also it'd be nice if just once when Tories talk about "Union Barons" they are asked to explain what they mean. Union leaders are voted in by their members and strike action comes after a ballot. Quite the opposite of Barons. And Lordships handed out to mates and donors.

Starmer's on Johnson's side on this though isn't he?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 15, 2022, 12:34:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVSjrCzX0AE9D-q?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2022, 12:45:18 PM
QuoteThe PM's "gameplaying so much he thinks he's on Love Island" says Sir Keir Starmer - adding "I am reliably informed that contestants that give the public the ick get booted out."

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1537035655536066560

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S04E16/345778.jpg?b64lines=IEknZCBhbHNvIGxpa2UgdG8gZXhwcmVzcwogbXkgZm9uZG5lc3MgZm9yIHRoYXQKIHBhcnRpY3VsYXIgYmVlci4g)

Hate him even more now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 15, 2022, 01:08:09 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 12:17:21 PMhttps://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1537029063000350726

Nobody who likes Star Wars could be a boring man!

In a few years time we might get a Ghostbusters reference.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 15, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
"The Prime Minister thinks that bringing back the death penalty and abolishing the minimum wage will save him from the perception that he is an absolute Slimer. I can tell him that when voters are asked who they are going to call, it won't be the Conservative Party"

I've never seen the film.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 01:27:17 PM
"He's thinks he's Zoella, but actually, he's just as washed-up as the Crazy Frog!"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 15, 2022, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 12:17:21 PMhttps://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1537029063000350726

Nobody who likes Star Wars could be a boring man!

Heres a vid. Good christ this is cringiest thing ive seen at parliament.
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV3/status/1537029798219984896

state of this
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 15, 2022, 01:35:49 PM
Just remembered how much I fucking loathe watching British parliament.

All the "waheyyy" and "wurrrr" and waving paper around. They couldn't say "this is all a game for us; just one big laugh!!" any clearer.

Issues? No mate we're too busy performatively belly laughing at unfunny jokes (safe in the knowledge that social ills experienced by our constituents will never impact us) like the contemptible cunts we are.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
"He think's he's Robocop but really he's ED-209", Starmer says, splayed on the floor of the HOC as he bleeds out from a load of bullet holes.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 01:44:03 PM
the panto bit where he asks the MPs to admit to the names they call the PM to put their hands up. Then he drops the "Conservative Corbyn" line: which of course the PM uses as the beginning of the answer to his question, noting Starmer tried to get him elected and then as kicker calls Corbyn "positively dynamic" compared to him. yowch.

this is the opposition Matt Forde was after. in fact he probably wrote all this shit

Anyway I want to squsih keir and boris together into a big ball and boot  them into the sun
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 15, 2022, 01:45:37 PM
He thinks he's the one from M*A*S*H but actually he's one of the other ones!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2022, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: Ferris on June 15, 2022, 01:45:37 PMHe thinks he's the one from M*A*S*H but actually he's one of the other ones!!
In that scenario Starmer's definitely Frank Burns and Jenny Chapman is 'hotlips' Hoolahan.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: frajer on June 15, 2022, 01:50:02 PM
Tremendous to see a lovely pantomime by obscenely wealthy twats while the country sinks beneath the waves, really warms the old cock and balls.

I despise Johnson but do wish he'd said "Better Jabba the Hutt than a jabberin' cunt."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 01:51:21 PM
He thinks he's Il Dottore, but actually he's a poster on the Cook'd and Bomb'd forum who's never even heard of commedia dell'arte!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2022, 01:57:35 PM
He thinks he's Pubes Daz but actually he's Legend Gary.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 15, 2022, 01:59:06 PM
"He thinks he's Del Boy, but he's not even Micky Pearce"

"He thinks he's an Emperor Burger, but he's a cheeseburger"

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on June 15, 2022, 02:06:07 PM
He thinks he's le epic bacon, but he's actually an epic fail!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 15, 2022, 02:18:35 PM
He thinks he's the Mandela Effect but he's not even Roy Jay
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 15, 2022, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: Ferris on June 15, 2022, 01:45:37 PMHe thinks he's the one from M*A*S*H but actually he's one of the other ones!!

"Yeah? Well the Leader of the Opposition probably thinks Corporal Klinger is a woman!!"


[Rosie Duffield laughs and claps and blows kisses to the Government benches]


Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 15, 2022, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 15, 2022, 12:34:27 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVSjrCzX0AE9D-q?format=jpg&name=small)

The absolute fucking cunt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on June 15, 2022, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 15, 2022, 02:27:38 PMThe absolute fucking cunt.

Absolutely enraging. I hope this useless fuckwit coward gets nowhere near power.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 15, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 15, 2022, 02:27:38 PMThe absolute fucking cunt.

And gets panelled by Johnson in reply.

QuoteBoris Johnson makes obvious rejoinder: "First of all he [Starmer] repeatedly tried to get him elected as Prime Minister. Also speaking from experience Mr Corbyn is relatively dynamic by comparison with the rt. hon. Gentleman."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on June 15, 2022, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: Ferris on June 15, 2022, 01:45:37 PMHe thinks he's the one from M*A*S*H but actually he's one of the other ones!!

A Korean?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 15, 2022, 04:20:37 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/15/labour-rwanda-rail-strikes-starmer-migrant-rights
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: oggyraiding on June 15, 2022, 04:36:58 PM
He should have compared him to Palpatine over Jabba. Jabba is gross and a criminal and does slavery and stuff, but Palpatine is a legitimate fascist and also does slavery and stuff. If you were to compare the two, Palpatine comes out worse (and more appropriate to be compared to Johnson).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2022, 06:01:56 PM
Jabba is a crime lord i suppose? But most people will just read the reference as him being a fat cunt.

Why labour keep attacking Corbyn is astounding. Sure, he wasnt popular enough, but millions of people voted for his labour.

Boris's comeback of well obviously i didnt like him but he was better at his job than you was surprising but shows how he understands the electorate more than labour's goonery.

Oh one more.


He thinks he's Jerry the Cowboy but he's actually Andy!

... the Cowboy
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 15, 2022, 06:06:32 PM
QuoteWhy labour keep attacking Corbyn is astounding

To sink any prospect of a left recovery so deep it is impossible to ever happen again.

That it is vocalised so often betrays the fact that they see it as a threat. In 2015 it was so distant they got complacent and sloppy, even patronising. That won't ever be repeated.

For Starmer to be so easily unmanned by Johnson the moment after it left his mouth shows what a fucking emperors new clothes useless prat he has ended up being. Don't bullshit a bullshitter, Johnson may as well have said.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Enzo on June 16, 2022, 01:32:56 AM
Has there even been a more obvious victim of a MI5 honeypot sting than Paul Mason?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jamiefairlie on June 16, 2022, 04:04:05 AM
Quote from: Enzo on June 16, 2022, 01:32:56 AMHas there even been a more obvious victim of a MI5 honeypot sting than Paul Mason?

Nicola Sturgeon?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 16, 2022, 12:41:00 PM
It seems bizarre that Starmer's team could sign off on that Corbyn jab without realising how obviously incoherent and easily deflectable by Johnson it was. I wonder if the impulse to contemptuously punch left is just so deeply internalised for these people that it actually slips their mind sometimes that they were nominally on the same team as Corbyn for 4 years and that the public are aware of this. Not sure I've ever seen anyone try to have and eat quite so many cakes as glibly and brazenly as this bunch of weird, vindictive freaks.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 16, 2022, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on June 16, 2022, 12:41:00 PMIt seems bizarre that Starmer's team could sign off on that Corbyn jab without realising how obviously incoherent and easily deflectable by Johnson it was. I wonder if the impulse to contemptuously punch left is just so deeply internalised for these people that it actually slips their mind sometimes that they were nominally on the same team as Corbyn for 4 years and that the public are aware of this. Not sure I've ever seen anyone try to have and eat quite so many cakes as glibly and brazenly as this bunch of weird, vindictive freaks.

Reflexively tempted towards the infighting they said was tearing the party apart. In reality it's another step on driving the left away from Labour altogether. No need to infight then, of course. Only the melts and the Blairites left.. D'OH.

The dazzlingly fucking uninteresting Brown v Blair rivalry still going on with just the minor blip where we actually elected a Labour leader interrupting the scrap.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 16, 2022, 12:51:39 PM
It might have worked a bit better if they hadn't replaced Corbyn with an absolute wind-up freak of a man.

Sorry I just started thinking about him posing with a Guinness with his own face on again. Why would you do that. Why would anyone do that? I can even see Boris Johnson thinking "bloody hell this is a bit weird" and slurping it off before anyone could take a fucking picture of it
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 16, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
What yer doing there is you're drinking an advert, ain't ya, eh, shithead?

A really boring advert.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 16, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
QuoteRachel Reeves
@RachelReevesMP

NEW: Today, Labour launches a new start-up review to help make Britain the best place to start and grow a business.

As a pro-worker, pro-business party, we will match the ambition of our entrepreneurs - and get our economy firing on all cylinders.

Venture capitalism, that notoriously 'pro-worker' endeavour.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Chollis on June 16, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pAQSk6K.jpg)


bloody Corbyn!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 16, 2022, 01:44:18 PM
British leftism being so permanent and entrenched in power that it hasn't formed a government in decades.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 16, 2022, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: Quote on June 16, 2022, 01:15:51 PMVenture capitalism, that notoriously 'pro-worker' endeavour.

You'd think it'd be extremely obvious that workers and business are somewhat in conflict by design.

But it is obvious, and she knows this.  Completely insincere.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 16, 2022, 05:26:47 PM
Pro worker eh. Looks like Wes got a clip round the ear for talking out of turn.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVW0DpSX0AAPCg9?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on June 16, 2022, 05:30:00 PM
Quote from: Enzo on June 16, 2022, 01:32:56 AMHas there even been a more obvious victim of a MI5 honeypot sting than Paul Mason?

While the wording made me laugh this has sailed over my head and needs explaining to me please
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 16, 2022, 05:41:42 PM
Mason's going for Peckham & Camberwell now, according to Bastani.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 16, 2022, 05:44:51 PM
Would it be unreasonable to say Mason's 'doing a Galloway'?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 16, 2022, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 16, 2022, 05:26:47 PMPro worker eh. Looks like Wes got a clip round the ear for talking out of turn.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVW0DpSX0AAPCg9?format=jpg&name=900x900)

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

snakes eating their own tails
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on June 16, 2022, 06:42:53 PM
doesn't matter what party, anyone doing that fucking thumb pointing thing is a colossal
Spoiler alert
chump.
Spoiler alert
and a cunt.
[close]
[close]
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 16, 2022, 08:49:40 PM
"...the shadow health secretary apologised[...]after he expressed sympathy for workers..."

Fucking dirty scab fascist liar cunts.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 16, 2022, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on June 16, 2022, 08:49:40 PM"...the shadow health secretary apologised[...]after he expressed sympathy for workers..."

Fucking dirty scab fascist liar cunts.

This is it, he didn't even formally back strikes or unions, just expressed empathy for them. He's an insincere slimeball and yet Starmer has managed to get me pissed off at the fact he's been bollocked for showing probably false empathy, for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 16, 2022, 11:32:35 PM
i want to use these people in the PLP as a toilet
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 17, 2022, 10:52:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVcV2qlWUAANb_2?format=jpg&name=large)

'Labour - For the many, not the few You'll get fuck all from us'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 17, 2022, 01:58:45 PM
Thagnam getting shirty with someone on QT for asking for policies
https://twitter.com/lacanian_bimbo/status/1537752554431516672
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 17, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Love how these university city cunts are gonna lose their seats when they run their first GE without Corbyn

Oh she was elected under Ed. Still
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 17, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
Did see some people speculating seats in Bristol might turn Green.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 17, 2022, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 17, 2022, 02:24:13 PMDid see some people speculating seats in Bristol might turn Green.

Would love to see the back of Thangam, she's a right prick.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 17, 2022, 02:42:56 PM
Aye, I don't know much about her but everything I have seen has not been good.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 17, 2022, 02:44:51 PM
She made "get in the sea" funny once by taking it so extraordinarily seriously
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 17, 2022, 02:45:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdWGAiXoAMHCiM?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I don't think 'close your eyes and it'll go away' works with stuff like this.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on June 17, 2022, 02:47:33 PM
she lives two door down from me. see her jogging sometimes in a top that says THANGAM in big letters.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 17, 2022, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: kittens on June 17, 2022, 02:47:33 PMshe lives two door down from me. see her jogging sometimes in a top that says THANGAM in big letters.

oppa thangam style
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on June 17, 2022, 03:32:33 PM
Like when I met Dame Shirley Porter and she had a belt buckle that read "SHIRL"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 17, 2022, 03:36:11 PM
If we made notes of these we could make a really garish poltical outfit.

So far we've got Thagnam's Jacket, Rayners Shoes, Porter's belt buckle...

Feels a bit sexist so far, do any of the blokes wear horrific portillo-esque trousers or something?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 17, 2022, 03:40:01 PM
Fabricant's hair.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 17, 2022, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: Quote on June 17, 2022, 10:52:23 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVcV2qlWUAANb_2?format=jpg&name=large)

'Labour - For the many, not the few You'll get fuck all from us'

They are so pathetic. I think I'm starting to lose remaining respect for anyone who is on this earth for a few decades more at most and spends their entire life advocating for minor incremental change to the same system that's devouring us all.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 17, 2022, 05:51:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVd_kFRWIAEgqal?format=jpg&name=large)

Hopefully I'll be told this is one of those satires they have nowadays, otherwise fucking hell this is bleak.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 17, 2022, 05:52:42 PM
Legend Kier
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on June 17, 2022, 06:00:21 PM
See, Corbyn wasn't electable cos he wasn't an alcoholic.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 17, 2022, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 17, 2022, 05:51:54 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVd_kFRWIAEgqal?format=jpg&name=large)

Hopefully I'll be told this is one of those satires they have nowadays, otherwise fucking hell this is bleak.

John McTernan is an embarrassment
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 17, 2022, 06:12:01 PM
The only parties John McTernan has been to were inside Sir Tony Blair's arsehole
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 17, 2022, 06:14:40 PM
It's the drive back from the pub afterwards where the real excitement kicks in.

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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 17, 2022, 06:23:26 PM
QuoteMy pledges to you

Based on the moral case for socialism, here is where I stand:

1. Neck a pint in no time

Massive increase in the % of alcohol consumed by me, and by extension, all staff within the leaders office. Lagers, craft beers, chasers - all downed in one!

2. Go hard or go home

When I down that first pint in one, you can be assured that this is just the beginning. I'm staying out for however long it takes. There can and will be doubt that I'm ending that night completely paralytic. As far as I'm concerned here's no point in bothering otherwise. Absolute commitment to complete drunken oblivion. You as members deserve nothing less.

My promise to you is that I will maintain our drunken values and drink tirelessly to get Labour in to power – so that we can advance the drinking interests of the people our party was created to serve.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 17, 2022, 06:28:37 PM
Sir Keir has no time for that rat piss known as beer. Neck a bottle of Jameson and he's actually safer driving, as he's more relaxed.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 17, 2022, 09:34:09 PM
horrible labour are fielding a leader who isn't even less pink than johnson
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 17, 2022, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 17, 2022, 06:28:37 PMSir Keir has no time for that rat piss known as beer. Neck a bottle of Jameson and he's actually safer driving, as he's more relaxed.

Give him a couple of bottles of buckie, then we'll see if he's permanently boring.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cuellar on June 18, 2022, 12:42:37 AM
I'm struggling to keep track of whether TBEU is anticipating or reacting to Labour news.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 18, 2022, 12:43:51 AM
Quote from: Cuellar on June 18, 2022, 12:42:37 AMI'm struggling to keep track of whether TBEU is anticipating or reacting to Labour news.

I think the end goal is a singularity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 18, 2022, 01:23:47 AM
sir King starmer with rachel "tighten your belt so your legs drop off" reeves, wes "Yum yum!!" streeting et al just keeps the cringe content rolling daily, rivalling that of the government. incredible stuff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 18, 2022, 07:02:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVjaf_pWAAYKCLA?format=jpg&name=small)

DM doing some rather odd expectation management.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 18, 2022, 09:17:30 PM
only incredibly boring people tell you family stories like that
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 19, 2022, 08:10:40 AM
New criteria for being interesting: another totally different person is interesting
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 19, 2022, 10:59:58 AM
Doesn't everyone from Essex or East London have some kind of Krays story?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 19, 2022, 11:17:39 AM
Grandad is nailing me to a table. Yum yum!!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 19, 2022, 12:34:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVm5ojZWIAAEeha?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Lol said the scorpion. Lmao.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 19, 2022, 12:48:21 PM
Can't wait for God-Emperor Wes to lead us into the golden age.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on June 19, 2022, 03:09:38 PM
Has Wes done enough 'pretending to be Left Wing' to be voted in as Leader? I mean, he said one thing resembling what a human being might say and since apologised for it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 19, 2022, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 19, 2022, 12:34:08 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVm5ojZWIAAEeha?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Lol said the scorpion. Lmao.

lol this is going to upset some people who quite happily reached for hodges articles condemning corbyn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 19, 2022, 05:47:14 PM
Certainly looks like knives are out for Starmer. Shame its going to be such a Jo Swinson election night moment when it comes.

Any reason why Streeting won't keep Akehurst and Evans etc on board?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on June 19, 2022, 06:15:55 PM
The vultures do seem to be circling. I'd be amazed if Johnson goes before Starmer.

EDIT: In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Keith has fessed up to the Durham plod so he can step down with some honour and dignity rather than have the party push him out.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 20, 2022, 12:05:44 PM
The Times (de paywalled (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2F6143244e-f005-11ec-9bea-abc2bc5953e5%3FshareToken%3D4a638e6a56bfa374e1eb306385fbc8df)) are reporting that Starmer's going to give a speech ruling out a return of free movement with Europe.

I wonder if your Dunt's, Kennedy's and Femi's will condemn or bury their heads in the sand.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 20, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
QuoteIn a speech to Labour councillors yesterday, Starmer said that "nothing could make me angrier" than the government's Rwanda resettlement policy.

Progressive policies and Labour leaders who actually stand for something seem to make Starmer a lot angrier than the policy of deporting refugees to Rwanda.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 20, 2022, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 20, 2022, 12:05:44 PMThe Times (de paywalled (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2F6143244e-f005-11ec-9bea-abc2bc5953e5%3FshareToken%3D4a638e6a56bfa374e1eb306385fbc8df)) are reporting that Starmer's going to give a speech ruling out a return of free movement with Europe.

I wonder if your Dunt's, Kennedy's and Femi's will condemn or bury their heads in the sand.
incredible https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1538798156405776384

Hes wrong: but its good actually
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 20, 2022, 12:44:17 PM
Oh wow, usually he just contradicts himself between tweets rather than directly in them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 20, 2022, 06:42:27 PM
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1538939029315624961

QuoteLabour front benchers have been told by the party leadership that they are banned from picket lines this week amid rail strikes

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVtqF1IWIAQGtws?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: EOLAN on June 20, 2022, 09:55:56 PM
Maybe Keith meant it as (only) opposing Tory attacks on the right.
Labour to take (own) industrial action and weaken workers rights 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 20, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Maybe Starmer only went to Wapping in the 80's to get directions away from there.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 20, 2022, 11:18:33 PM
what would the tory equivalent of this be? members are no longer allowed to forward racist chain emails? MPs should not fuck flags? members must not be seen in the comment threads under Benny Hill and It Ain't Half Hot Mum youtube videos?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 20, 2022, 11:23:12 PM
MPs should not be seen at the Victoria and Albert Museum party fundraising event tonight soliciting more donations from wealthy party donors

so funny that the director of the V&A is Tristram Hunt. the Led By Donkeys projection on the Cromwell Road front of course neglected to mention this
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: suelgi on June 21, 2022, 02:52:49 AM
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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on June 21, 2022, 10:16:13 AM
What a massive fucking coward. Genuinely pathetic.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 21, 2022, 10:19:14 AM
And it doesn't even work on the terms they believe it to; Labour try and sound like the Tories and then the Tories brief that Labour are responsible for them anyway.


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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 10:23:06 AM
Just like when they wrap themselves in flags and cheer on the police.

They're still unpatriotic and soft on crime.

Still as long as nothing good can ever happen they're doing their job.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 11:39:00 AM
Rayner's joined a picket line.

No one's listening to Keith! More police! more flags!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 21, 2022, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 11:39:00 AMRayner's joined a picket line.

No one's listening to Keith! More police! more flags!

Got a link?

I searched and got distracted and found something interesting - Labour have announced as a follow-on from what Sienna Rodgers repkrted last night, that Starmer's chief whip will decide any disciplinary action for people that attend pickets, however Rayner is the one person Starmer can't sack. Which makes her joining a picket very funny if true.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 11:48:00 AM
On The Guardian live feed. Sorry can't screenshot atm

QuoteAnas Sarwar, Diane Abbott and Angela Rayner are the latest Labour leaders to join picket lines in solidarity with RMT union members, despite Keir Starmer's office telling shadow cabinet members that to "show leadership" frontbenchers "should not be on picket lines".

Labour deputy leader and MP for Ashton-under-Lyne, Angela Rayner, wrote on Twitter:

 Workers have been left with no choice. No one takes strike action lightly. I will always defend their absolute right to do so for fairness at work. The PM needs to do his own job. His Government caused this. Now they must solve it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 21, 2022, 11:48:20 AM
Ta!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 21, 2022, 11:53:12 AM
Sir Keir Starmer's twitter seems to be doing more about armed forces day than it is about trade union strikes.

Two years ago this would be remarkable for a Labour leader, but now its just totally predictable for this absolute sack of crap
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on June 21, 2022, 12:08:16 PM

Long may these Women for Wes bless us with their trenchant observations.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 21, 2022, 12:14:31 PM
My brother says Keir Starmer is right as 'we' need to get elected and into power.

I didn't want an argument at the time so simply deleted his fb comment under my post but I was tempted to ask what action by Keir Starmer wouldn't be acceptable. Would flogging left wingers bare arsed in the street still be a proportionate level of political signalling?

We're on this Earth a few more decades at best, how can you get so invested in a man offering to change so little in several years time?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 21, 2022, 12:25:05 PM
Also, if Kier Starmer does get into power I doubt he will move to the left in any way. Just as New Labour was even more right wing in power than in opposition, I can imagine Starmer's Labour being the same way.

What does Labour under Starmer offer aside from a change of faces? The man is totally unsuitable to be PM, just like Johnson.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 21, 2022, 12:25:13 PM
For all of Rayner's scabby tendencies she does come from a union background, so this makes sense.

It's also very funny.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 21, 2022, 12:28:34 PM
Angela's after the top job. They've all scented blood now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 21, 2022, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 21, 2022, 12:25:05 PMAlso, if Kier Starmer does get into power I doubt he will move to the left in any way. Just as New Labour was even more right wing in power than in opposition, I can imagine Starmer's Labour being the same way.

What does Labour under Starmer offer aside from a change of faces? The man is totally unsuitable to be PM, just like Johnson.



If the man's main political moves are triangulation and compromise, then in power he will do nothing.  At best it'll be 3-4 years of inadequate tweaking which the following Conservative government will reverse immediately, if they don't block it first.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 21, 2022, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on June 21, 2022, 12:30:13 PMIf the man's main political moves are triangulation and compromise, then in power he will do nothing.  At best it'll be 3-4 years of inadequate tweaking which the following Conservative government will reverse immediately, if they don't block it first.

But, but, a left winger will never get elected!.... and round and round and round we go
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 21, 2022, 12:33:20 PM
If they win an election, he'll see it as a vindication of their strategy of doing fuck-all and bowing and scraping to his Old Etonian masters whenever possible.

Keith will be out shagging flags, bumming the St. George's Cross and 69-ing the White Ensign every day of his premiership.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 21, 2022, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 21, 2022, 12:25:05 PMAlso, if Kier Starmer does get into power I doubt he will move to the left in any way. Just as New Labour was even more right wing in power than in opposition, I can imagine Starmer's Labour being the same way.

What does Labour under Starmer offer aside from a change of faces? The man is totally unsuitable to be PM, just like Johnson.



Exactly. As New Labour did, they'll simply maintain and uphold the new status quo ushered in by the Tories, and keep it in place until the Conservative Party can regroup and come back with an even bigger wrecking ball to knock that down.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 21, 2022, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: Quote on June 21, 2022, 12:38:06 PMExactly. As New Labour did, they'll simply maintain and uphold the new status quo ushered in by the Tories, and keep it in place until the Conservative Party can regroup and come back with an even bigger wrecking ball to knock that down.

A defensive war constantly fought on the terms of the aggressor and therefore endlessly shrinking the weaker party into nothingness, rather than Corbyn's brave approach of reshaping the narrative and reintroducing, demystifying and destigmatising popular social policies into the mainstream and even giving people a genuine second look at more unpopular ones. To the extent Starmer basically had to produce a list of Corbyn policies to guarantee his appointment.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 11:48:00 AMOn The Guardian live feed. Sorry can't screenshot atm


I saw that but there's no evidence she joined a picket line. Certainly no photos on her twitter feed or anything like that. Think The Guardian's got it wrong.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 01:21:18 PM
I did wonder
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 21, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
QuoteA Labour source describes Angela Rayner's tweet backing the rail strikes as "a sort of vicarious joining the picket line",

https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1539190293135753216

Could well be the case that the graun have summed two lots of 2 and come up with a load of shit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 21, 2022, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on June 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PMI saw that but there's no evidence she joined a picket line. Certainly no photos on her twitter feed or anything like that. Think The Guardian's got it wrong.

They're not the only one, in that case.

However, lol:

QuoteAnd veteran Labour MP Diane Abbott tweeted: "On the RMT union picket line at the Seven Sisters depot. (But don't tell Keir Starmer)."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61878745
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 02:44:26 PM
Soz all
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: pancreas on June 21, 2022, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 21, 2022, 01:25:19 PMhttps://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1539190293135753216

Could well be the case that the graun have summed two lots of 2 and come up with a load of shit.

Cunt doesn't know what 'vicarious' means. Perhaps 'ersatz'?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 21, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: pancreas on June 21, 2022, 03:01:23 PMCunt doesn't know what 'vicarious' means. Perhaps 'ersatz'?

Oh, it makes sense now. I mentally skipped over it earlier because I couldn't make out the intent.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on June 21, 2022, 09:07:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/21/labour-frontbenchers-likely-to-be-disciplined-for-joining-rail-pickets

Seriously. And the article suggests that the public might be slightly more supportive of the strikes than they are of the Labour party.

Own goal.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 21, 2022, 09:38:11 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1539341459610124292?t=BvJcNi2IcovY-z_Sw9HXOw&s=19

Burnham still doing his 'Here's what you could have won' act.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 10:09:51 PM
The first person to reply seems a little..um
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 21, 2022, 10:32:39 PM
you mean britishalba? thats a weird account likely staffed on a rota by a tufton street think tank as it just posts ultra-unionist fascist takes pretty much constantly in our daytime
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 21, 2022, 10:35:19 PM
Greatsalford


I'm shit with twitter
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 21, 2022, 11:28:48 PM
Quote from: greencalx on June 21, 2022, 09:07:30 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/21/labour-frontbenchers-likely-to-be-disciplined-for-joining-rail-pickets

Seriously. And the article suggests that the public might be slightly more supportive of the strikes than they are of the Labour party.

Own goal.
I think there's quite a lot of evidence over the years that the public are surprisingly sympathetic with strikers, a lot more sympathetic than the Labour Party thinks. Starmer is once again being the worst politician in the world, but at least he's distancing himself from the Labour Party which is the main thing.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 21, 2022, 11:56:58 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on June 21, 2022, 11:28:48 PMI think there's quite a lot of evidence over the years that the public are surprisingly sympathetic with strikers, a lot more sympathetic than the Labour Party thinks.

Labour voters, anyway:

QuoteA YouGov poll carried out this week showed 45% of the public were against the RMT strike, with 37% in favour. But among Labour voters, 65% were in favour, and 18% opposed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/21/keir-starmers-stance-on-rail-strikes-raises-questions-over-strategy
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 22, 2022, 12:02:56 AM
I'm reminded of consulting work for various firms with the question "how can we be more dynamic and take risks?" where the answer given to people in charge is considered too dynamic and risky so the firm sensibly goes with 'no change' and everyone is happy (though we're all still unable to explain the staff turnover and low morale. It's a mystery!!)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on June 22, 2022, 08:13:51 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on June 21, 2022, 11:56:58 PMLabour voters, anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/21/keir-starmers-stance-on-rail-strikes-raises-questions-over-strategy

Although as always, other polls are available.

Quote from: https://comresglobal.com/polls/transport-poll-21-june/Majority (58%) say that the rail strikes this week are justified; a third (34%) say they are not.

Two thirds (66%) say the government have not done enough to prevent the strikes from happening; half (49%) say the same about the RMT

Seven in ten (70%) say that this strike going ahead makes further strikes more likely.

I don't think there's a clear sentiment among the general public, but the government seems to be banking on everyone believing the unions are ruining the country and Labour's reaction seems to be "you're right, they are".
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on June 22, 2022, 08:18:39 AM
Mick Lynch doing the rounds on TV to show that if you have integrity, knowledge and calm conviction you can win over more people than mealy-mouthed insincerity and hand-waving obfuscation
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 22, 2022, 11:34:53 AM
What the Labour Party and the world needs now...

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Dr Rock on June 22, 2022, 11:58:37 AM
The Tory/right wing bias of YouGov again.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Dr Rock on June 22, 2022, 12:00:13 PM
QuoteIn a gritty promotional video for his 2020 Labour leadership bid, Keir Starmer called himself a "proud trade unionist" who had worked with unions "all my life"

This guy eh.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on June 22, 2022, 12:14:24 PM
He did say "had"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 22, 2022, 01:24:24 PM
I'm not sure if it is intentional as part of some plan to keep Labour out of power but Starmer's stance on the rail strikes has pleased nobody apart from the Tory Party.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on June 22, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
They are going to blame Labour anyway so he needs to either have a coherent and convincing defence of the strikes or be clear about being against them. Obviously the former is preferable for the leader of the fucking Labour party but this fence-sitting appeal to both sides ends up pleasing no-one. Except maybe Blue Tick centrist melts, and even some of them are having second thoughts
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 22, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
I assume some of you might be aware of Ally Fogg, who as well as speaking about politics a fair bit also has something to do with the Men and Boys charity and Gendemic, who aim to help male survivors of domestic/sexual abuse without distracting from abuse suffered by women like tedious MRA types do.

He's previously been quite scathing (https://twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1509451315780497410) about the law that will classify male survivors of abuse as 'victims of crimes against women and girls'.

Well guess who he's discovered is one of the architects of that: https://twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1539592476083851264
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 22, 2022, 03:59:00 PM
Another great little montage of Mick Lynch scything through the running dogs of capitalism.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: wrec on June 23, 2022, 07:45:08 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 22, 2022, 02:53:35 PMI assume some of you might be aware of Ally Fogg

Wasn't but funnily enough came here to post this

QuoteI see Centrist Twitter has come around to "Hey, that Mick Lynch guy is really good at that authenticity stuff. Our guys should really learn to fake some of that..."

https://twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1539646609344307200
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Starmer was called a "tosser" in Wakefield today.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Theremin on June 23, 2022, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2022, 09:41:25 AMStarmer was called a "tosser" in Wakefield today.

Straight out of the desolation thread.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 23, 2022, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 23, 2022, 09:41:25 AMStarmer was called a "tosser" in Wakefield today.

Why isn't this happening every day?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Thomas on June 23, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
Corbyn done a interview for Declassified UK, talking quite frankly about, among other things, Starmer and anti-Semitism -

https://declassifieduk.org/exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-on-the-establishment-campaign-to-stop-him-becoming-pm/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: DrGreggles on June 23, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 23, 2022, 09:47:10 AMWhy isn't this happening every day?

He's rarely in Wakefield
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 23, 2022, 10:57:44 AM
Quote from: Thomas on June 23, 2022, 09:47:23 AMCorbyn done a interview for Declassified UK, talking quite frankly about, among other things, Starmer and anti-Semitism -

https://declassifieduk.org/exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-on-the-establishment-campaign-to-stop-him-becoming-pm/

Thanks for linking that.  Really worth reading and ends on a note of hope. 

And we should have hope, a guy I know in my village stopped me at the spring the other day and said things are changing, all over the world, keep the faith.  Courage and solidarity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 23, 2022, 11:11:15 AM
Those first couple of sentences are heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 23, 2022, 11:15:16 AM
Yes.  But inspiring too.  Imagine, believe in, what we can achieve, what change can come.  Work for it harder.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 23, 2022, 12:14:44 PM
Is this good?

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1539920064924770304

QuoteLAB: 36% (-2)
CON: 34% (+2)
LDM: 13% (=)
GRN: 5% (-3)
SNP: 4% (+1)
RFM: 4% (+1)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2022, 12:50:46 PM
Starmer's got his first speech in front of No. 10 sorted out too. He'll do a long wet fart, follow through, then faint. All to desolate silence
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 23, 2022, 01:13:05 PM
Here's the full GMB interview with Mick Lynch:


RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch Quizzed On Whether He's a Marxist Amid Biggest Rail Strike | GMB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB4M4ugvaVg

Madeley #AccidentalPartridge'ing himself inside out, there. Lynch having none of it.

Compare with the treatment of Shapps/Green/Stockheath/Fox:


Transport Secretary Responds To Rail Strike Concerns & Calls To Protect The Travelling Public | GMB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toes2TjzUms
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 23, 2022, 01:35:27 PM
Lynch really is the best bald. Makes me vicariously proud.


RMT Union General Secretary Mick Lynch On Latest Developments Regarding The Ongoing Rail Strike| GMB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqGkXR9YiPA
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 23, 2022, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 23, 2022, 12:14:44 PMIs this good?

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1539920064924770304


If Corbyn was in charge he would be absolutely brutalised for not having a clear lead in the current situation. Even if you take the 20 pts ahead thing as an exaggeration.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2022, 01:58:07 PM
Lynch is a proud bald. The complete opposite of a disgusting coward bald like Prince Wills
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 23, 2022, 01:59:21 PM
He's spiritually hirsute.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 23, 2022, 02:22:10 PM
Lynch's Thunderbirds profile picture is really quite amusing too in a self-deprecating way. The exact sort of humour a public school bully like Moron wouldn't understand.

I'd say Lynch is one of the finest bald men operating today.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 23, 2022, 02:25:35 PM
He's like Tony Soprano in that the man and the power obscure his baldness.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 23, 2022, 03:44:10 PM
His baldness isn't even a fucking issue.  It's not in play.  Starmer has more bald on his little finger.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 23, 2022, 03:57:28 PM
Starmer is bald on the inside, he is spiritually bald. His spirit animal is a cue ball.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 23, 2022, 03:59:54 PM
The beige in the centre pocket.  Using a lot of right spin.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 23, 2022, 04:14:07 PM
Tries to sink a red, ends up on the cushion kissing the blue.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 23, 2022, 04:18:56 PM
On the other head, Shapps/Green/Stockheath/Fox is trying his best to hide it with whatever that fuzzy stuff is. Fundamentally dishonest, see?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 23, 2022, 07:21:14 PM
Better figures for Labour from Savanta.

https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1540029760067231744

Quote🌳Con 31 (-3)
🌹Lab 42 (+2)
🔶LD 10 (=)
🎗�SNP 4 (=)
🌍Gre 5 (+1)
⬜️Other 7 (-1)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on June 23, 2022, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on June 23, 2022, 07:21:14 PMBetter figures for Labour from Savanta.

https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1540029760067231744


Revolution's here, lads. Pint?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on June 23, 2022, 07:58:25 PM
Anyone any predictions about today's by-elections? Can the turds lose either of the seats?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 23, 2022, 07:59:16 PM
Which turds?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on June 23, 2022, 08:21:24 PM
the turds the mop headed cunt is the leader of, it does look like they will lose both seats (that is my prediction)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 23, 2022, 09:03:13 PM
I think it's pretty much a lose/lose situation, Clive.

The one small joy was looking down the slate of candidates and marveling at the number and variety of cunts simple human endeavour can produce.  Something vaguely heroic, even comforting, about that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 06:37:47 AM
Wakefield goes red.

Seems this was due to a collapse in the Tory vote. With Brexit 'done' the locals have got what they wanted out of Johnson, it seems.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on June 24, 2022, 07:40:21 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 06:37:47 AMSeems this was due to a collapse in the Tory vote.
Same in Tiverton, if not as extreme - little enthusiasm for Labour, the Lib Dems or tactical voting.

(Edit: Last might be a bit hasty - substantial switches from Labour to Lib Dems in Tiverton, probably.)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 07:46:30 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/23/crisis-labour-starmer-tories-economic-weakness

Lol, you got what you wanted. This is what you wanted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 24, 2022, 07:48:04 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 06:37:47 AMWakefield goes red.

Seems this was due to a collapse in the Tory vote. With Brexit 'done' the locals have got what they wanted out of Johnson, it seems.

Guessing it's not (I think) Mary Creagh again? 

Which is probably an improvement.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 08:00:15 AM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on June 24, 2022, 07:48:04 AMGuessing it's not (I think) Mary Creagh again? 

Which is probably an improvement.

A Starmer lackey parachuted in against the wishes of the CLP and against party rules. So probably even worse.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 24, 2022, 08:05:37 AM
Only 84 votes for the NIP who increasingly look like a busted flush.

QuoteSimon Lightwood (Lab) 13,166 (47.94%, +8.13%)
Nadeem Ahmed (Con) 8,241 (30.00%, -17.26%)
Akef Akbar (Ind) 2,090 (7.61%, +6.60%)
David Herdson (Yorkshire) 1,182 (4.30%, +2.38%)
Ashley Routh (Green) 587 (2.14%)
Chris Walsh (Reform) 513 (1.87%)
Jamie Needle (LD) 508 (1.85%, -2.09%)
Ashlea Simon (Britain 1st) 311 (1.13%)
Mick Dodgson (FA) 187 (0.68%)
Sir Archibald Stanton Earl 'Eaton (Loony) 171 (0.62%)
Paul Bickerdike (CPA) 144 (0.52%)
Therese Hirst (Eng Dem) 135 (0.49%)
Jordan Gaskell (UKIP) 124 (0.45%)
Christopher Jones (NIP) 84 (0.31%)
Jayda Fransen (Ind) 23 (0.08%)
Lab maj 4,925 (17.93%)
12.69% swing Con to Lab
Electorate 69,601; Turnout 27,466 (39.46%)

I wouldn't call that convincing from Labour give the previous Tory MP is a convicted nonce.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 08:09:50 AM
NIP haven't really done anything electorally at any point to be a busted flush. They were an entertaining sideshow in one by election.

Compare Wakefield to 2019 and its pretty clear the Tory vote has collapsed due to Brexit being a done deal now. The paedo of course added to their woes and the ignominy of not having an MP for a year. Wakefield have got what they wanted, it was clear they were just lending their vote to Johnson to secure Brexit.

Meanwhile the Labour performance was alright, not awful, not especially noteworthy. The independent getting so many votes shows a degree of disillusionment


In hindsight they should always have cleaned up this seat, the analysis leading to the election was poor. Very few ardent Remainers will be prepared to admit that Wakefield turned blue because of Brexit and turned red because Brexit is done.

There was a repudiation of centrism and now there's a repudiation of Tory government.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 24, 2022, 08:09:55 AM
I imagine having the Yorkshire Party standing with their policy of devolution didn't help the NIP.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on June 24, 2022, 08:11:28 AM
4-5,000 fewer votes for Labour in Wakefield than in 2019.

Lib Dems at least picked up votes in Tiverton.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zetetic on June 24, 2022, 08:23:43 AM
I know it's difficult to interpret turnouts in by-elections. That Akef Akbar managed to get 2,000 votes in Wakefield is interesting.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 24, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
I'm sure Sir Keir will be his measured self about what this means for his electoral chances over all, considering he managed to replace a Tory paedophile in a former labour seat
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 24, 2022, 10:11:36 AM
Imagine if they had lost in Wakefield.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 24, 2022, 10:48:43 AM
Labour's Wakefield vote of 13,166 is the party's lowest turnout there since 1931.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 24, 2022, 11:04:19 AM
Keir will spin that as how his party is bouncing back from the great depression, and he cant wait to get into government and put us all in prison.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2022, 12:21:07 PM
Hehehey!  And laughter is good for the soul, so it is. 

Anyone else been dosing themselves daily with ChunkyMark? 

Laughing, laughing, laughing. 

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 24, 2022, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on June 24, 2022, 08:11:28 AM4-5,000 fewer votes for Labour in Wakefield than in 2019.

Lib Dems at least picked up votes in Tiverton.

It's frustrating the media aren't asking Starmer about this at his "victory lap", but of course the mainstream media don't want to say anything that could be even vaguely of Labour under Corbyn.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 24, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
Much as I and many others have many, many unresolvable issues with Starmer's Labour and little faith in any idea of representative democracy in this country functionong or either existing...

Still like seeing the bastards temporarily embarrassed.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 24, 2022, 02:12:09 PM
Ids' have added two new parts to their Adam Curtis parody in the last few days!
https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1540321325952139264
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on June 24, 2022, 08:23:43 AMI know it's difficult to interpret turnouts in by-elections. That Akef Akbar managed to get 2,000 votes in Wakefield is interesting.

2019 was a GE not a by election so much bigger turnout. It was also a proxy referendum on Brexit so unsurprisingly more people voted.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dothestrand on June 24, 2022, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on June 24, 2022, 08:11:28 AM4-5,000 fewer votes for Labour in Wakefield than in 2019.

Lib Dems at least picked up votes in Tiverton.

Crucially though, Corbyn lost that seat in 2019. Starmer won it back.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 24, 2022, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: dothestrand on June 24, 2022, 08:34:06 PMCrucially though, Corbyn lost that seat in 2019. Starmer won it back.

Mary Creagh lost that seat by being one of the most vocal belligerents against Brexit in one of the stronger pro-Brexit constituencies in England. She painted a target for her own back.

Starmer has miraculously managed to win through maintaining their previous vote standing in a vacant seat formerly occupied by a paedophile after Brexit has been settled. Wow.

I thought the grown-ups were the 'detail people'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on June 24, 2022, 09:06:08 PM
amazing result from starmer and even the most ardent corbynite would agree that it completely proves the last 5 years of the labour party were a waste of time.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dothestrand on June 24, 2022, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: kittens on June 24, 2022, 09:06:08 PMamazing result from starmer and even the most ardent corbynite would agree that it completely proves the last 5 years of the labour party were a waste of time.

Lab last had this kind of result in Wakefield in 2001 - it's been far more marginal since. I'm sure some will want to spin it as though it was a cakewalk and a perfect storm coming together, but you've still got to win as it comprehensively as they did.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on June 24, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
in 2017 labour got a higher percentage in wakefield than this time. i guess it depends what you mean by 'this kind of result'
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on June 24, 2022, 09:31:42 PM
am i about to have a 'political argument'? i am very excited!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 24, 2022, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: dothestrand on June 24, 2022, 09:15:23 PMLab last had this kind of result in Wakefield in 2001 - it's been far more marginal since. I'm sure some will want to spin it as though it was a cakewalk and a perfect storm coming together, but you've still got to win as it comprehensively as they did.

Looks like someone is about to get egg (flour and sugar) on their face.

Starmer's an appalling cunt btw but I think you know that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 24, 2022, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 24, 2022, 02:12:09 PMIds' have added two new parts to their Adam Curtis parody in the last few days!
https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1540321325952139264

These are dead good. Never heard of them before, watched the lot in one go.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 24, 2022, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 24, 2022, 02:12:09 PMIds' have added two new parts to their Adam Curtis parody in the last few days!
https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1540321325952139264

Blimey! They've added about nine since I last looked and they are quality.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 25, 2022, 12:47:54 AM
Quote from: Thomas on June 23, 2022, 09:47:23 AMCorbyn done a interview for Declassified UK, talking quite frankly about, among other things, Starmer and anti-Semitism -

https://declassifieduk.org/exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-on-the-establishment-campaign-to-stop-him-becoming-pm/

That's a good interview.

Video also here:


Jeremy Corbyn on the establishment campaign to stop him becoming Prime Minister: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfoKJEqRPs
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 25, 2022, 07:27:16 AM
Quote from: dothestrand on June 24, 2022, 09:15:23 PMLab last had this kind of result in Wakefield in 2001 - it's been far more marginal since. I'm sure some will want to spin it as though it was a cakewalk and a perfect storm coming together, but you've still got to win as it comprehensively as they did.

Helps if the incumbents vote collapses altogether of course.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2022, 12:04:03 PM
Clearly all Starmer needs to do is out more tory MPs as paedophiles
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on June 25, 2022, 12:45:49 PM
Well, they're not exactly careful so it might be a plan...
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 25, 2022, 01:36:01 PM
He should team up with a paedo hunting group to expose Tory MP nonces.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 26, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
QuoteAs several Labour MPs defied leader Sir Keir Starmer's warning not to join picket lines during the rail strike, Mr Lammy said he expected the chief whip would speak to them and remind them that "a serious party of government does not join picket lines".

Contempable.

Wonder how many votes Labour will lose from trade union members disgusted with the lack of solidarity. Some on the right of Labour seem to think trade unionists will vote for the party no matter what. I predict an upturn in the TUSC and Green vote.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on June 26, 2022, 01:17:18 PM
I think the more interesting question might be whether more unions decide to disaffiliate because of this stance.

I happen to be making a long journey by train today, and a number of passengers have struck up conversations with the staff about the industrial action, with a generally supportive attitude.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 26, 2022, 01:24:51 PM
The strikes are more popular with the public than Labour lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 26, 2022, 01:45:07 PM
Lammy has also said he does not support the strikes by BA staff.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 26, 2022, 01:54:45 PM
Lammy's an awful cunt with a terrible whiney hectoring voice.  There, I've said it.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 26, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
Good to see Abbott call Lammy out on his bullshit.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 26, 2022, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on June 26, 2022, 01:54:45 PMLammy's an awful cunt with a terrible whiney hectoring voice.  There, I've said it.

You're not wrong.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: bgmnts on June 26, 2022, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on June 26, 2022, 01:54:45 PMLammy's an awful cunt with a terrible whiney hectoring voice.  There, I've said it.

Ace of Spades is a top song though to be fair.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 26, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
That gave me the fleeting thought to see what Clive had to say. First tweet on tl: https://mobile.twitter.com/labourlewis/status/1539914891456385025

Conclusion: good egg.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on June 26, 2022, 02:05:46 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 26, 2022, 01:13:54 PMContempable.

Wonder how many votes Labour will lose from trade union members disgusted with the lack of solidarity. Some on the right of Labour seem to think trade unionists will vote for the party no matter what. I predict an upturn in the TUSC and Green vote.

Funnily enough people have dug up numerous pictures of Lammy on pickets in the past. Absolute bellend.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on June 26, 2022, 02:13:33 PM
Are BA not private sector employees?  And if so, what's Lammy got to do with what they do?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 26, 2022, 07:50:51 PM
Also, the demand is for their salary to match inflation. Currently, not even to match inflation. Hardly greedy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 26, 2022, 08:16:16 PM
And they got stuffed on fire/re-hire over Covid, greatly reducing their earnings. I remember when Keith said fire/re-hire was bad.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 26, 2022, 10:10:51 PM
it's getting the 10% back they agreed to take under reduced trade under COVID

Lammy is good on social justice issues but he's showing himself to be a complete clueless cunt with this. I mean, it's wrong obviously, but it won't endear him to anyone either.

He'll get some post-parliament lobbying for something awful, i dont know, paedophile fruit machines or something
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on June 26, 2022, 10:50:03 PM
I didn't have it in for Lammy two years ago and that has changed entirely due to things that have come out his own mouth.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 26, 2022, 11:18:14 PM
well he didn't undermine Corbyn, but he also publicly apologised late last year for nominating him as comedy lefty candidate to a Zionist conference. he has principles, but if you don't like them, he has others
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 26, 2022, 11:27:19 PM
They sound less like principles and more like a sock moving in the direction of the wind tbh mate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 26, 2022, 11:30:41 PM
yeah sorry he wouldnt use that quote because Groucho Marx is toxic in the red wall
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 26, 2022, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 26, 2022, 11:30:41 PMyeah sorry he wouldnt use that quote because Groucho Marx is toxic in the red wall

Knew you were one of them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on June 27, 2022, 08:21:55 AM
Lammy's 'we're all feeling the pinch' rings a bit hollow on his 80k plus that again for his media jobs.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 27, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Crispin Flintoff (aka Not PMQs) expelled from Labour by the NEC.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 27, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: shoulders on June 27, 2022, 10:12:15 AMCrispin Flintoff (aka Not PMQs) expelled from Labour by the NEC.

Link? I can't find anything recent - he was expelled in 2021. Also, he was Not the Andrew Marr Show, wasn't he?

Edit: Oh, I see, he was suspended in Dec 2021.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 27, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
I received an email from their mailing list.

QuoteHi

After the high of interviewing Mick Lynch yesterday morning live from an NHS picket line in South London, I came down to earth with an email from Labour saying I have been expelled from the party.

From the beginning of lockdown I tried to keep people together in the party who were isolated by Covid restrictions and we have uncovered many Labour members who have been unfairly treated by party bureaucrats. Decent people who have been smeared, abused and bullied. I called it out.

In April, the Labour Party's solicitors sent me a threatening letter that called on me to stop featuring Ben Timberley's investigation into party officials. They also sent me a notice of expulsion letter for threatening a member of Labour staff.

Last Wednesday a panel of NEC members met and decided to terminate my membership of the party.

I'd be honoured if you would join me for my Expulsion Lunch on Wednesday's Not PMQs (1-2pm).

Ben Timberley will also be back with another investigation in Behind Labour. And we will also feature music, poetry and book recommendations. It certainly won't be all doom and gloom.

Register to receive a Zoom link.
 

All the best

Crispin Flintoff
Not PMQs

Presume the suspension was back in December and here is the decision?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 27, 2022, 11:50:04 AM
It's been said many times but, if you're ever thinking about this Labour lot being preferable to cunts like Priti Patel, imagine them running the Home Office.  Or Mi5.  Frightening.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 27, 2022, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 27, 2022, 10:12:15 AMCrispin Flintoff

One for the Chris Morris names thread.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 27, 2022, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: shoulders on June 27, 2022, 11:38:31 AMI received an email from their mailing list.

Blimey! Thanks. That was worth posting as, for example, I've not heard of Ben Timberley.

QuotePresume the suspension was back in December and here is the decision?

Looks like it, yes.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 28, 2022, 10:13:02 AM
https://bywire.news/articles/keir-starmers-gleeful-claims-of-centrism-just-killed-the-labour-party

Clickbait headline, party still very much alive (on some level)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on June 28, 2022, 10:25:36 AM

I think the term "undead" describes the current status of the party rather than alive.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 28, 2022, 10:44:50 AM
I wonder if the Labour Party, which has lasted since 1900, will be like Change UK in five years thanks to Kier Starmer.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 28, 2022, 11:48:06 AM
QuoteNEW: Keir Starmer confirms he has ditched the 2019 manifesto in a move that will enrage his critics on the left of the party:

"What we've done with the last manifesto is put it to one side. We're starting from scratch. The slate is wiped clean."

#NSPoliticsLive

https://twitter.com/freddiejh8/status/1541722214420123648

"Starmer is a liar" won't be news to anyone here, but I suppose it's nice it's official.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2022, 12:03:31 PM
Consider the labour party doesnt support workers witholding their labour anymore hes wiped it clean back to 1900.

It's funny how the Labour party will be destroyed by a Keir. It's like Pope Peter II and Emperor Romulus Augustus
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 28, 2022, 01:35:12 PM
He really didn't need to say it tbh. That this awful cunt will offer us nothing (and expect us to be grateful) was apparent within five minutes of him gaining control.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 28, 2022, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: KennyMonster on June 28, 2022, 10:25:36 AMI think the term "undead" describes the current status of the party rather than alive.

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: oggyraiding on June 28, 2022, 03:35:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Bren4Bassetlaw/status/1541489442552270849

It's over, how can Starmer recover from this?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 28, 2022, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: oggyraiding on June 28, 2022, 03:35:43 PMhttps://twitter.com/Bren4Bassetlaw/status/1541489442552270849

It's over, how can Starmer recover from this?

QuoteTory MPs in we-still-haven't-learned-about-holding-up-signs debacle.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWSMVVmX0AgQ87u?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/davidclewis/status/1541511275070590977
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 28, 2022, 03:56:48 PM
The sheer hypocrisy of Tory MPs mocking Starmer for the alleged party at a time when we weren't in lockdown, when the Tory PM and other Tory politicans did far worse during lockdown.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on June 28, 2022, 04:33:59 PM
I wonder what this summer of industrial action would have been like with a Labour Party led by Corbyn inevitably supporting the workers. Stereo broadcasting in terms of exposure, normalisation of views long pushed to the periphery. A members movement that could be called out onto the street. Might have been a catalyst.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 28, 2022, 10:38:42 PM
Made a noise I'm not sure I can describe at this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OvensComedy/status/1541896091385430016
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 29, 2022, 12:20:35 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 28, 2022, 10:38:42 PMMade a noise I'm not sure I can describe at this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OvensComedy/status/1541896091385430016

Why does he love angina?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on June 29, 2022, 08:34:03 AM
"Nobody Does It Better?
Mr Speaker. LABOUR WOULD DO IT BETTER!!!"
(Escapes in Union Jack parachute)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Key on June 29, 2022, 09:22:27 AM
Banterboy in the middle there who'd never dream of defecting to the Labour Party... has already been kicked out of it once.

Also he's the same guy who thinks we should shut down food banks cause anybody can live on 30p a day. Prime Starmer material.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on June 30, 2022, 11:12:07 AM
Starmer's slogans seem to be catching on, finally...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIQdNmEWYAAZN9n.jpg)
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B946/production/_125703474_xi_hongkong.png)


(Xi Jinping photo taken today)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 30, 2022, 11:28:41 AM
(https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/289421266_1647802262266705_799953466263622928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=sUusHYnl67YAX-mZfq1&_nc_oc=AQljhWxl5-p47sANvYJ-WIMuqMnx1CYpgmk7U9DHJ_QUo92ecar4gWn4qnipxXyZkO8&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=03_AVK4CJYwyotbmRd6XxRd8D_zWGbYjkZGgzz5xXkAh4v51Q&oe=62E1864B)

(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/289051561_709563263435427_3107164085106811490_n.png?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=zVOAv0O8lqwAX8aIAa2&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=03_AVJYhZgnmhz3BAA8dyYCElrXaDXYpM_CrfX5hBhZ9_gReg&oe=62E1F0E8)

Pathetic
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 30, 2022, 11:32:22 AM
Who knew you could actually change public opinion, as the leaders of this strike seem to have done, rather than merely reflecting the public's worst instincts back at them.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 30, 2022, 11:46:00 AM
This is a good sign, strikes tend to move from disapproval to approval as anger over initial inconvenience transforms into a wider understanding of the workers grievances.

It'll be depressing if this causes a Labour party doctrine shift in general, depressing but 110% expected.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on June 30, 2022, 11:54:16 AM
That's interesting, I had assumed this is a honeymoon period and that as more people are directly inconvenienced over time, their sympathy would erode.  Be good if that's not the case at all.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 30, 2022, 11:56:47 AM
Yeah the support for the strikes and understanding of the reasons behind them is great.

What's pathetic is Lammy and his initial revolting comments about the BA workers followed by his apology that has clearly come after polls have been looked at and whoever runs Labour realised that it wasn't a good look.

Nothing people.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: greencalx on June 30, 2022, 12:05:53 PM
As I mentioned before, there was a lot of warmth emanating from passengers on the train I was on on Sunday - and not just because they'd been out in the sun.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 30, 2022, 12:06:37 PM
I think a lot of the shift is down to Mick Lynch's simple message of 'Our workers are getting poorer and our jobs, as well as public safety, are at risk'. Also, connecting it with the declining wages and conditions of all workers while demonstrating that mainstream media interviewers simply aren't up to giving any kind of analysis themselves.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 30, 2022, 12:07:37 PM
Yeah I went up to Nottingham Friday and came back on Sunday and it was the same. Trains were busy and a bit twanged up on the way up but no one was blaming strikers.


Maybe the general public need to grow up and prepare for government instead of acting like sixth formers.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 30, 2022, 12:16:18 PM
The public's full of trots.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 30, 2022, 02:13:52 PM
The Labour Party have so successfully shat on their own brand, I can't imagine anyone voting for them - other than to ensure a power-sharing agreement with the LDs that Ed Davey uses to force through PR.  That's the best that Britain can hope for. 

What a time to be alive.

(https://static.standard.co.uk/2021/03/19/15/816b888dd1d491157c790c7af1bc69dfY29udGVudHNlYXJjaCwxNjE2MjUxMjEy-2.58680699.jpg?width=1200&auto=webp&quality=75)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on June 30, 2022, 02:42:16 PM
Aww, look at his little face :-) xxx
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Bernice on June 30, 2022, 02:44:49 PM
Tony Blair's said some words to the BBC, which the Guardian have dutifully re-spunked out of their news cock. You don't need to read them, you know the gist.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 30, 2022, 02:50:32 PM
Also offered his views on the coming force in British politics:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/29/tony-blairs-verdict-keir-starmer-lacks-ideas/

(Can't read the article because of the paywall)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 30, 2022, 03:00:06 PM
https://12ft.io/ works for the telegraph

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F06%2F29%2Ftony-blairs-verdict-keir-starmer-lacks-ideas%2F
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 30, 2022, 03:04:59 PM
Thank you.

Some classic Kieth in there amongst Tony's wittering:

QuoteAsked about shadow cabinet ministers reportedly claiming he was "boring voters to death", Sir Keir replied: "I was sitting around a big table with CEOs from some of the biggest bodies and corporations around this country.

"And we were having a very serious discussion about what they expect from government. None of them said 'a few more jokes, please', 'a bit of a laugh'... They all said we want a government which has a very clear sense of its mission. Boring wasn't on the agenda."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 30, 2022, 03:06:22 PM
Still sounding like a patronising secondary head then.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: oggyraiding on June 30, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
When I read anything Starmer has said, I hear it in Matt Forde's voice. I know Forde voices Starmer in Spitting Image, but Starmer and Forde have fused into one entity in my mind. An amalgamation of pure centrism.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Thrashbarg on June 30, 2022, 03:11:29 PM
Was it really a "big table" or is that just classic Starmer over-exuberance, the exciting, engaging, non-boring person that he is?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 30, 2022, 03:14:27 PM
More likely a toilet door balanced on a black & decker workmate effect.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 30, 2022, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: oggyraiding on June 30, 2022, 03:10:22 PMWhen I read anything Starmer has said, I hear it in Matt Forde's voice. I know Forde voices Starmer in Spitting Image, but Starmer and Forde have fused into one entity in my mind. An amalgamation of pure centrism.

I'm starting to read it in the intentionally slightly poor Duncan Smith's voice.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 30, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
"what do you say to people who say voters dislike you?"
"sod them all, CEOs love me!"

leader of a party called "labour"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: boki on June 30, 2022, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: oggyraiding on June 30, 2022, 03:10:22 PMWhen I read anything Starmer has said, I hear it in Matt Forde's voice. I know Forde voices Starmer in Spitting Image, but Starmer and Forde have fused into one entity in my mind. An amalgamation of pure centrism.
#PoliticallyBoneless
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on June 30, 2022, 03:49:29 PM
QuoteAnd we were having a very serious discussion about what they expect from government

They were having a discussion about what the CEOs expect from a Labour government - not even attempting to be subtle or circumspect about it, is he?

I'm beginning to think that this Keir Hardie fellow is less left-wing than I'd been led to believe.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 30, 2022, 04:09:37 PM
I know doctors, lawyers, dentists - important people.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 30, 2022, 04:16:06 PM
Well, at least Crobbins' not running things, eh?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 30, 2022, 04:23:19 PM
a recently scary thing about Starmer is that he's shown himself to be someone who is overly taken and flattered by people taking him to be an important man. obviously loves status, loves the thought of himself of PM. those following his career more closely than me probably not surprised by this in the least but its a bit shocking how open he is. blair and cameron at least moderated their obsession with image until they were elected. starmer seems to think he doesnt need to
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on June 30, 2022, 04:48:15 PM
I saw Starmer buying lunch at Unison headquarters once. Which I think is in his constituency.

He was on his own.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 30, 2022, 05:35:38 PM
A big table and some of the biggest bodies. Ooooh! I'm all impressed now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on June 30, 2022, 07:23:12 PM
Very important men with very expensive suits.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 30, 2022, 07:41:56 PM
You wouldn't know these very important businessmen they go to another school.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 30, 2022, 07:43:49 PM
Don't suppose they run FirstRail or P&O?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on June 30, 2022, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 30, 2022, 07:41:56 PMYou wouldn't know these very important businessmen they go to another school.

A school with very big tables.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on June 30, 2022, 07:46:26 PM
Humourless businessmen:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mPNMO1pnZOc/mqdefault.jpg)
Title: Another Shit Xmas World, Run by Con Artists
Post by: Buelligan on June 30, 2022, 08:57:59 PM
Because we can't have jam tomorrow unless the important businessmen 'n girls are making a big important profit, children. 

That is why we have never sorted out looking after the vulnerable and poor, because we've never, ever, ever, managed to make those important people a whopping big enough profit.  Simples.

If we all club together though and wish really hard, vote for Special Keith, maybe Santa will come this year!  What do you think?  Shall we try it again?

(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/No-PMQs-Today-Pic-3-3918806.jpg?r=1645037577303)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 30, 2022, 09:07:15 PM
the party of growth and low taxes
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on June 30, 2022, 09:09:31 PM
Andrew Ridgeley's let himself go... gammony.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on June 30, 2022, 09:16:53 PM
I've worked out who he reminds me of:

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f6/5d/7e/f65d7ef353d2b50e89595e1b619e1d65--north-yorkshire-heartbeat.jpg)

The very boring & wooden PC who featured in later series of Heartbeat.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 30, 2022, 09:23:04 PM
lol
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on June 30, 2022, 09:25:57 PM
He reminds me of a self-serving turncoat cunt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Zero Gravitas on June 30, 2022, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: Quote on June 30, 2022, 09:16:53 PMI've worked out who he reminds me of:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZThLT8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/uJx4s7V.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4QwOpkH.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on June 30, 2022, 10:57:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1C4lC6L.png)
Title: Whose hand is working the mouth?
Post by: Buelligan on July 01, 2022, 09:06:12 AM
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CXHGT1/the-ventriloquists-dummy-archie-andrews-CXHGT1.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on July 01, 2022, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 30, 2022, 04:23:19 PMa recently scary thing about Starmer is that he's shown himself to be someone who is overly taken and flattered by people taking him to be an important man. obviously loves status, loves the thought of himself of PM. those following his career more closely than me probably not surprised by this in the least but its a bit shocking how open he is. blair and cameron at least moderated their obsession with image until they were elected. starmer seems to think he doesnt need to

I heard tale that on hearing of Ed Milliband's decision to step down as Labour Leader after losing the GE in 2015 Starmer asked if he should put himself forward to be leader.

He'd been an MP for only a few hours.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on July 01, 2022, 09:52:19 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/labour-holds-fazakerley-breakaway-group-24369321

Independents finish second, Labour vote share way down.

Quotea stonking victory for Labour
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on July 01, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
Stonking. It's like being at school.

"When we told Sir Kier the news he got a big bonk on"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 01, 2022, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: KennyMonster on July 01, 2022, 09:25:15 AMI heard tale that on hearing of Ed Milliband's decision to step down as Labour Leader after losing the GE in 2015 Starmer asked if he should put himself forward to be leader.

He'd been an MP for only a few hours.

More than just the one disturbing thing about that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blinder Data on July 01, 2022, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: KennyMonster on July 01, 2022, 09:25:15 AMI heard tale that on hearing of Ed Milliband's decision to step down as Labour Leader after losing the GE in 2015 Starmer asked if he should put himself forward to be leader.

He'd been an MP for only a few hours.

There was some clamour for him to stand for leader in 2015 but I suspect that most of that was not self-generated - see article at the time: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/15/labour-activists-urge-keir-starmer-to-stand-for-party-leadership
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Quote on July 01, 2022, 11:46:20 AM
I think the Starmer Project version of it was that some private equity firm donor, Polly Toynbee and a handful of centrist MP types tried to get a #Kiethforleader campaign going after Miliband left but he declined, saying he wasn't experienced enough. But obviously he had his eyes on the prize from day one.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 01, 2022, 11:57:01 AM
QuoteThe fact candidates are being barred from standing for the Labour Party for praising one of my articles underlines, again, that this is an authoritarian cult.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/01/starmer-allies-reject-claims-leftwingers-blocked-from-standing-for-labour
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWkrtjiXEAAX7-K?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1542812412696485888
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: JohnnyCouncil on July 01, 2022, 12:05:52 PM
"THE TORIES ARE IN TROUBLE TODAY! QUICK KEITH, SAY SUMMAT TO GET THEM OFF THE NEWS "
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 01, 2022, 12:14:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OJeuzN4.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Darles Chickens on July 01, 2022, 12:31:19 PM
(https://imgprx.livejournal.net/317196cd514ed2564052251ec8c6b30cc2e01650/ABJMMDPseWLEh2vLwvS7Kfn5xgZQbeEah3Ufjrlac2TCtidffY-wyUUvGLg1Fx8kP5kYeN07BgehclQ5fJeuxJ3eeW8axsyHn6kHXZ7EBS2rTlrqk8ig30htx5XxilFeJ6QEXXeJpVLkduN_yyHNnLkNB7TrwuGG30Atb6M_OEY)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: jobotic on July 01, 2022, 01:10:18 PM
From that Guardian article

QuoteThey pointed to the longlisting of avowedly leftwing commentator Paul Mason for Stretford and Urmston, in Greater Manchester, as proof that candidates from that wing of the party were not all being vetoed.

Fuck me.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 01, 2022, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 01, 2022, 12:14:05 PM(https://i.imgur.com/OJeuzN4.jpg)

(https://crackedrearviewer.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/ds5.jpg?w=640)

Doc Sensible, Man of Beige
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mr_Simnock on July 01, 2022, 01:15:13 PM
"Sir Keith Skinner please could we finally talk about a Labour policy, any of them, please"

Quote from: idunnosomename on July 01, 2022, 12:14:05 PM(https://i.imgur.com/OJeuzN4.jpgw=640)

"Look over there! a lion!"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Spoon of Ploff on July 01, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 01, 2022, 12:14:05 PM(https://i.imgur.com/OJeuzN4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VXlxaq3.gif)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 01, 2022, 05:54:48 PM
Quote from: jobotic on July 01, 2022, 01:10:18 PMFrom that Guardian article
QuoteThey pointed to the longlisting of avowedly leftwing commentator Paul Mason for Stretford and Urmston, in Greater Manchester, as proof that candidates from that wing of the party were not all being vetoed.
Fuck me.

And me.


And then you remember The Guardian's more or less run by spooks these days.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 01, 2022, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: jobotic on July 01, 2022, 01:10:18 PMFrom that Guardian article

Fuck me.

Even if we grant them that, that's 1 longlisting.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 01, 2022, 06:49:21 PM
Why would anyone accept Mason as being on the Left though?  Did you see this?


Or read this?

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/paul-masons-covert-intelligence-grayzone/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on July 01, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
Ruling out any form of formal grouping with the SNP surely means that in a hung parliament the Tory Prime Minister of the day would never have to resign as Starmer couldn't prove he could command the confidence of the house?

I've long feared a situation where Labour opts to leave a Tory minority government in charge for 'one last push' in a further election when the Budget gets voted down, the electorate correctly sees them as stupid cowardly cunts and calls their bluff.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 01, 2022, 07:46:27 PM
The latest Corbyn interview where he said his first announcement as PM was going to be ending rough sleeping by the end of the week made me feel so great and yet so fucking awful all at once. Imagining the power of that gesture and alone what it would have achieved to shift public consciousness.

But now back to the failed early 10s Milibandine capitulating dreck. Fuck sake.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 01, 2022, 08:57:45 PM
Does Paul Mason not have a next of kin who can get power of attorney at this point
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 01, 2022, 09:06:54 PM
Just seen someone on twitter claim Cadwalladr is also a security-service stooge like Mason.

They did post a Jonathan Cook article from about a week ago to back it up though.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/watchdog-journalists-carol-cadwalladr-paul-mason-security-state/281146/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 01, 2022, 09:52:26 PM
Cadwalladr definitely is. Recent utterances have come across as someone bordering on being unwell to be honest, too.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 01, 2022, 10:00:55 PM
The Mason stuff is exactly that. 

Went right off him when I heard that Sun (gah) recording of him chatting about Crobolski in a pub.  There's something absolutely wrong with his wiring.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on July 01, 2022, 10:08:45 PM
Mason's doing the 92 Club but for Labour constituencies.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 01, 2022, 10:17:05 PM
im glad Cadwalladr didn't get rinsed by that odious cunt Banks but it's the fault of the centrist press for deep-throating her crazy fantasies about Russia causing Brexit that got her to that point. she's crazy in the coconut, but only by trying to explain things that doesn't involve criticising the British media for the quagmire of shit we're in
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 02, 2022, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: Psybro on July 01, 2022, 06:59:10 PMRuling out any form of formal grouping with the SNP surely means that in a hung parliament the Tory Prime Minister of the day would never have to resign as Starmer couldn't prove he could command the confidence of the house?

I've long feared a situation where Labour opts to leave a Tory minority government in charge for 'one last push' in a further election when the Budget gets voted down, the electorate correctly sees them as stupid cowardly cunts and calls their bluff.
The idea seems to be that the SNP will support Labour against Tories no matter how shit Labour are, but SNP policy is to prove Labour and the Tories are the same, and there's no real downside to voting against both Tory and Labour governments.

Plus Starmer will do anything to be  PM (anything not socialist). Especially with Lib Dem support.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 02, 2022, 02:31:55 PM
And now this -

Quote from: Open Democracy on 1 July 2022Labour has lost its leadership of a council coalition in south-west England after a row over a 'parachuted in' parliamentary hopeful favoured by Keir Starmer saw three councillors quit the party.

Thursday's resignations included the council's Labour leader Doina Cornell, whose bar from the shortlist to be the party's parliamentary candidate at the next election triggered the backlash.

Deputy Labour group leader Trevor Hall and a backbencher then announced their resignations from the party at an emotional meeting of the Labour group last night, multiple sources told openDemocracy today.

The move wipes out Labour's status as the largest party in the ruling "rainbow coalition" and leaves the future of what is believed to be the longest standing cross-party alliance in the country uncertain. The Greens have now overtaken Labour as the largest party with 13 seats to 12.

Last night local Labour members delivered a further snub to party HQ, voting two-to-one to adopt a local GP, Simon Opher, as the town's parliamentary candidate, rejecting Salisbury-based former MEP Clare Moody, a lobbyist with the company Grayling seen as the leadership's preferred choice. Cornell had been seen as the local favourite and was expected to win the candidacy had she been allowed to run.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/stroud-labour-quit-starmer-doina-cornell-greens-coalition/
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on July 02, 2022, 04:16:56 PM
i know doina. been campaigning with her and have been to parties and things with her. im showing off i know the news person. she is really nice and the labour party sucks. loads of great people in that clp have now resigned. even my mum thinks the labour party has got bad and she used to love sir Keer starman
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on July 02, 2022, 04:44:50 PM
Ok but have you considered this?

(https://i.redd.it/1hg004wov5991.png)

(Apparently keith is 5'8", I had no idea.)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 02, 2022, 05:04:37 PM
Short man complex. (I'm 5 ft 8 1/2).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: oggyraiding on July 02, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
His eyes seem very small. Like in that picture there's no white of the eyes, no iris, just blackness. He needs to start opening his eyes dead wide so we can see the whole thing, then people will trust him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 02, 2022, 05:23:08 PM
I think he needs to go away somewhere and stay there, in complete silence.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 02, 2022, 05:26:28 PM
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1542825287720779776?t=ofLXzLQkWIRrIserMnKYWw&s=19

Remarkably, there are at least 2 Labour staffers working in this small, niche bookshop including C&B darling and personal heroine of Buelligan, Ella Rose.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 02, 2022, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: Ferris on July 02, 2022, 04:44:50 PMOk but have you considered this?

(https://i.redd.it/1hg004wov5991.png)

(Apparently keith is 5'8", I had no idea.)

Is it wrong to be disappointed that he hasn't got his pointy nipples on the go?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 02, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on July 02, 2022, 05:26:28 PMhttps://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1542825287720779776?t=ofLXzLQkWIRrIserMnKYWw&s=19

Remarkably, there are at least 2 Labour staffers working in this small, niche bookshop including C&B darling and personal heroine of Buelligan, Ella Rose.

Vile.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on July 02, 2022, 06:20:44 PM
Ser Keer is the first ever sitting major (ha!) party leader to go to Pride
Spoiler alert
if you don't count Jeremiah Corbyneous.
[close]

https://mobile.twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1543232492613902342
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 02, 2022, 07:04:59 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on July 02, 2022, 06:20:44 PMSer Keer is the first ever sitting major (ha!) party leader to go to Pride
Spoiler alert
if you don't count Jeremiah Corbyneous.
[close]

https://mobile.twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1543232492613902342

Ah, I remember, when that person, Tom Mauchline, heckled him and posted the vid all on twitter.  The same Tom Mauchline that worked for Portland Communications.  The same Portland Communications that was set up by one of Blair's advisors and whose strategic counsel was Alistair Campbell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Communications
https://portland-communications.com/our-people/senior-advisors/alastair-campbell/
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Portland_Communications
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 02, 2022, 07:12:58 PM
IIRC, Portland's Chief Exec is married to the lovely host of Politics Live, Jo Coburn.  Think about that next time it happens to be on and you wonder about stuff.

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1204382842584621056

I mean Jonathan Ashworth, who is married to Emilie Oldknow.  Fuck me.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Emilie_Oldknow
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 02, 2022, 07:38:29 PM
If Starmer really wants to improve the lives of LGBTQ+ people, rather than probably walking around with sanitary towels stuck to his breasts to mask his disgusting pointy nipples, he could publically denounce the transphobes in his own party. People like Rose Duffied. Why don't you "root out" that "poison", you vile fraud?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 02, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
'London Pride'

The best Pride, of course, and most important of all.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 02, 2022, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: shoulders on July 02, 2022, 07:45:43 PM'London Pride'

The best Pride, of course, and most important of all.
Yes, it's not just beer! Although maybe Starmer was confused by that.

Ed Miliband was at Manchester Pride in 2010 although maybe that was just before he became leader (icky link (https://www.christian.org.uk/news/ed-miliband-declares-i-was-privileged-to-be-at-gay-pride/)). Nicola Sturgeon has attended pride events (as have past Scottish Labour leaders). But not in London for some reason. Sadiq Khan has been at London Pride too in the past. But it's still an indictment of progressive London-based party leaders.

Looking forward to a video of Wes Streeting attending Straight Pride now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Jockice on July 02, 2022, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on July 02, 2022, 07:04:59 PMAh, I remember, when that person, Tom Mauchline, heckled him and posted the vid all on twitter.  The same Tom Mauchline that worked for Portland Communications.  The same Portland Communications that was set up by one of Blair's advisors and whose strategic counsel was Alistair Campbell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Communications
https://portland-communications.com/our-people/senior-advisors/alastair-campbell/
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Portland_Communications

Which became one of the main stories on the BBC news and in the Guardian. Because no politician had ever been heckled before of course.

Corrupt wankers
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 03, 2022, 12:54:56 AM
Rosie Duffield doing her usual blowing kisses anti-trans shit during Pride. absolute fucking scumbag
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: SpiderChrist on July 03, 2022, 09:14:40 AM
And now this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/03/labour-accused-of-silencing-women-in-row-over-sex-based-rights-group (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/03/labour-accused-of-silencing-women-in-row-over-sex-based-rights-group)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 03, 2022, 10:03:36 AM
I suppose in hindsight Starmerite Labour is absolute Earth's core epicentre of terfdom.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 03, 2022, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 26, 2022, 10:10:51 PMit's getting the 10% back they agreed to take under reduced trade under COVID

Lammy is good on social justice issues but he's showing himself to be a complete clueless cunt with this. I mean, it's wrong obviously, but it won't endear him to anyone either.

He'll get some post-parliament lobbying for something awful, i dont know, paedophile fruit machines or something

I know it's old but I don't think this has been posted. The stupid bellend has apologised already

QuoteThose of us in public life should admit our mistakes. That's why I'm apologising to all BA workers for getting it wrong on Sunday.

BA must restore the pay of their loyal workforce - and the gvt must sit down with employers and workers to address chronic low pay in aviation.

Also I don't even think he's good on social justice. He's just a demagogue.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Theremin on July 03, 2022, 02:07:40 PM
"I'm sorry. As a Labour politician, I never expected to have to pick a side in a labour dispute."
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 03, 2022, 06:04:18 PM
THIS MAN IS SUCH A STEAMING FUCKING TURD.  Literally sponsored here by BAE FUCKING Systems.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on July 03, 2022, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Theremin on July 03, 2022, 02:07:40 PM"I'm sorry. As a Labour politician, I never expected to have to pick a side in a labour dispute."

"Hello mr labour politician - there is a labour dispute, will you side with capital or labour?"

"Ooh um err what was the question again?"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 10:58:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7PufMX9.png)

Comms masters!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 11:00:30 AM
Will party members be allowed in armed?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 04, 2022, 11:26:09 AM
Aww, he's shy.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 04, 2022, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: Ferris on July 02, 2022, 04:44:50 PMOk but have you considered this?

(https://i.redd.it/1hg004wov5991.png)

(Apparently keith is 5'8", I had no idea.)

Is there any picture where he doesn't look like an absolute prong
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 11:33:47 AM
No.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 04, 2022, 11:40:54 AM
The adults are back in the room!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 04, 2022, 11:44:02 AM
Bit like the Halifax name badge thing. A good thing done for the wrong reasons probably
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 04, 2022, 11:49:02 AM
He always looks like the poshest middle manager you know trying to look cool on a works night out
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on July 04, 2022, 11:32:43 AMIs there any picture where he doesn't look like an absolute prong

Well there's that one where he's hovering back from the doorway of a primary school bog while children wash their hands, he looks like he's about to abduct someone in that.
Edit:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLrXe76VgAEqbkJ?format=jpg&name=large)

In fact [there's at least one NSFW pic in there]: https://twitter.com/ScanlanWithAnA/status/1493724021300637702
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 04, 2022, 12:06:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/R6viPr8.png)

Even AI is unable to lend Sir Keir Starmer a modicum of nobility and heroism.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 04, 2022, 12:20:45 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardBentall/status/1543858215011614722?t=u3PdmeZJftTqouvX3FWWag&s=19


Million x 😂
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 12:22:59 PM
I don't think your old wife wants you back, mate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on July 04, 2022, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: shoulders on July 04, 2022, 12:20:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/RichardBentall/status/1543858215011614722?t=u3PdmeZJftTqouvX3FWWag&s=19


Million x 😂

Whenever I see someone posting absolutely bonkers stuff, I click through to their profile to try and understand. Who are they? What made them thus?

This guy researches delusional beliefs so I don't know what to make of that really. Takes one to know one I suppose.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
Seems to be little more than "Starmer's proven he's not really honest therefore he must be lying about the stuff I don't want to happen, because he's my boy... btw has anyone seen my wallet?"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 12:31:01 PM
Quote from: Ferris on July 04, 2022, 12:27:24 PMWhenever I see someone posting absolutely bonkers stuff, I click through to their profile to try and understand. Who are they? What made them thus?

This guy researches delusional beliefs so I don't know what to make of that really. Takes one to know one I suppose.

Heheh.  I do the same.  Very divorced.  Married a student.  Am I being unfair?  Maybe.  But look at the photo.  Nothing wrong with that, of course.  Nevertheless, I will not be seeking his input on any fucking thing, ever.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 04, 2022, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on July 04, 2022, 11:32:43 AMIs there any picture where he doesn't look like an absolute prong

His mum says he looks cool, and she's married to a tool maker!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 12:34:14 PM
This one's incredible.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLrZkb_VQAAf4bx?format=jpg&name=large)

In Kieth's case the suit really does maketh the man.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on July 04, 2022, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 12:34:14 PMThis one's incredible.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLrZkb_VQAAf4bx?format=jpg&name=large)

In Kieth's case the suit really does maketh the man.

He looks like he's gone for an ogle and been caught by a paparazzo.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 04, 2022, 12:46:41 PM
Quote from: Ferris on July 04, 2022, 12:27:24 PMWhenever I see someone posting absolutely bonkers stuff, I click through to their profile to try and understand. Who are they? What made them thus?

This guy researches delusional beliefs so I don't know what to make of that really. Takes one to know one I suppose.

Yes, it made me chuckle his first accusation of others was denial. You've made 171,000+ tweets about Brexit you monomaniac cunt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on July 04, 2022, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: shoulders on July 04, 2022, 12:46:41 PMYes, it made me chuckle his first accusation of others was denial. You've made 171,000+ tweets about Brexit you monomaniac cunt.

He takes his work home with him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 04, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
I like how the FBPE twitter baked brain tags @UKLabour the first time but then @labour which is the Irish party. Whats the point of using this twitter-code speak if you cant even do it right
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 04, 2022, 01:23:47 PM
Pov you are a big FBPE arse and daddy starmers gonna pound you till you leak

(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F28abf149-c346-40ec-b124-52d8788ab671.jpg?dpr=2&fit=scale-down&quality=medium&source=next&width=490)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 04, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 04, 2022, 11:44:02 AMBit like the Halifax name badge thing. A good thing done for the wrong reasons probably

Not really as you would expect the Labour leader to do this due to their left-wing ideals, not as a PR stunt. You don't expect anything else from a bank
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 02:49:18 PM
Starmer < Barclays.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: BlodwynPig on July 04, 2022, 08:31:49 PM
A lesson from the leader of the Labour Party and next Prime Minister of the England & Wales


47:00 for the real treat.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 08:57:53 PM
Gollygosh, that looks very interesting, I shall watch it tomorrow.  Thank you for sharing it dear Blods, so glad to see you back!
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 04, 2022, 09:00:39 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 11:58:15 AMWell there's that one where he's hovering back from the doorway of a primary school bog while children wash their hands, he looks like he's about to abduct someone in that.
Edit:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLrXe76VgAEqbkJ?format=jpg&name=large)

I see Glebe got bored of photoshopping Windsor Davies into everything and has moved on to Kieth. You can't fool me.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: wrec on July 04, 2022, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 04, 2022, 12:29:42 PMSeems to be little more than "Starmer's proven he's not really honest therefore he must be lying about the stuff I don't want to happen, because he's my boy... btw has anyone seen my wallet?"

In fairness at this point you can't blame someone for getting confused when he makes a pledge.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: FalknerHinton on July 04, 2022, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on July 04, 2022, 11:32:43 AMIs there any picture where he doesn't look like an absolute prong

Somebody dressed him like this and let him have his photo taken.

(https://i.ibb.co/7Nd7Q9T/FD5137-E2-0234-49-A9-982-C-3-AC510-A10033.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 04, 2022, 10:08:45 PM
In fairness that was taken at a photoshoot for Simon Hedges' interview of him for Total Denim a couple of years back.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoJ8JCPWMAAWj8z.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 04, 2022, 11:54:05 PM
lmao the brass neck of this enormous glans of a man. everyone hates him. hope he boils to death in a cauldron of piss.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 05, 2022, 12:02:01 AM
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These show that we have £289,535 in the company Barclays Bank account, which is all then shown as a potential liability in the event that Jeremy needs funds in the future. You will see that the GoFundMe appeal has now raised £376,000 (it was slightly less at 31 March 2022), which was £86,000 more than our current bank balance.

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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 05, 2022, 02:26:07 AM
Quote from: FalknerHinton on July 04, 2022, 09:57:33 PMSomebody dressed him like this and let him have his photo taken.

(https://i.ibb.co/7Nd7Q9T/FD5137-E2-0234-49-A9-982-C-3-AC510-A10033.jpg)

big toe gloating about ruining another sock
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 05, 2022, 07:41:01 AM
Quote from: FalknerHinton on July 04, 2022, 09:57:33 PMSomebody dressed him like this and let him have his photo taken.

(https://i.ibb.co/7Nd7Q9T/FD5137-E2-0234-49-A9-982-C-3-AC510-A10033.jpg)

That's it darling, hands in pockets. Slouch more, slouch. Very Liam Gallagher. The kids will love it
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Blue Ticks getting battered this morning as they try to spin Starmer's pro-Brexit promises as  4D underwater chess that is really actually pro-Remain actually if you're intelligent adult.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 05, 2022, 09:26:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW4HgCWWAAItnSK?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Old Nehamkin on July 05, 2022, 09:28:05 AM
Just sitting here marvelling at what a productive and successful project the liberal response to brexit has ended up being. Never have time and energy been employed to such effective ends or opportunity seized upon so fruitfully. You played a blinder, guys.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 05, 2022, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on July 05, 2022, 09:28:05 AMJust sitting here marvelling at what a productive and successful project the liberal response to brexit has ended up being. Never have time and energy been employed to such effective ends or opportunity seized upon so fruitfully. You played a blinder, guys.

To be a bit fair to the poor maligned but comfortable blue tickers, Brexit is a project that seems to have been seeded by the media for many years and has plenty of backing to help propagate the lies and fulminate the discontent that formed the basis of the invalid reasons for leaving the EU. There isn't a lot anyone could really do against it, though admittedly they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with their lack of self-awareness and playing into the arch-Brexiteer hands
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 10:40:04 AM
However, that was permissable through the Remain camps arrogance and complacency in the first place, from the years leading to the referendum push, Cameron's doomed ploy within his party to call the referendum and the campaign itself - right up to Remainers who didn't bother to turn up to vote because they thought it was a done deal.

The history of liberalism is stained by accommodations for the far right, believing they can be controlled and mollified through technocratic processes while the far right carry on getting the actual public primed. There is a huge anti-democratic streak running through Pro-EU circles like a stick of rock.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 05, 2022, 10:43:29 AM
While in the Netherlands there appears to be an employment crisis
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 05, 2022, 09:26:56 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW4HgCWWAAItnSK?format=jpg&name=small)

Even starmer could never be as cringe and annoying as mark was in that interview
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 05, 2022, 11:03:46 AM
Quote from: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 10:40:04 AMHowever, that was permissable through the Remain camps arrogance and complacency in the first place, from the years leading to the referendum push, Cameron's doomed ploy within his party to call the referendum and the campaign itself - right up to Remainers who didn't bother to turn up to vote because they thought it was a done deal.

The history of liberalism is stained by accommodations for the far right, believing they can be controlled and mollified through technocratic processes while the far right carry on getting the actual public primed. There is a huge anti-democratic streak running through Pro-EU circles like a stick of rock.

Absolutely agree.  And the way that Starmer really pushed the Remain Second Vote stuff, way after the vote was done, he was prepared to split the Party over it, lost the GE over it and now does this.  The man's a fucking horrible snake. 

Just this, without all the other lies, back-stabbing and purging makes that utterly clear.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on July 05, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
Calling people who still oppose Brexit 'anti-democratic' is a bit rich, I think. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that the referendum is a flawed pattern for dealing with complex decisions demanding a great deal of thought and care, and that one in particular was so filled with lies, and so close in result that it shows Britain for the ship of fools that it is that we allowed such an impactful and far-reaching decision to be decided by such an ill-conceived triviality.

I would argue that a politician who made this case would be more courageous and honest than one who didn't, but would probably be a far less successful politician; or at least not a representative for very long.

What we're seeing worldwide is the end-game in a 50-year plan by far-right reactionaries to strike down the pillars of liberal democracy and trash the institutions built to protect the weak against the strong. Spineless pandering and appeasement have led us here. If it was impossible to make a case for abandoning a flawed result, impossible to find a way to stop the US Supreme Court from striking down numerous civil rights against the expressed wishes of the people then it seems that it might already be too late.

What we need to do is to fix the system that translates popular voice into power. Until we do that, we're just pissing in the wind.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 05, 2022, 02:45:26 PM
lol apparently Mark Steyn believed he was breaking an injunction by reporting Starmer got fined by Durham Police on GB News.

For full disclosure I spotted this in passing from an idiot posting a Guido (https://order-order.com/2022/07/05/about-starmers-durham-injunction/) post saying he was an idiot and so were the people on twitter posting it believing the Guido article to be some sort of gotcha, but I think what's happened here is Steyn's been tricked by shitposters (lol) and Guido's too right-wing and petty to give credit to that.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on July 05, 2022, 02:53:37 PM
I call him Superinjunction Starmers.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 02:55:25 PM
QuoteCalling people who still oppose Brexit 'anti-democratic' is a bit rich, I think

This can be true in and of itself, how rich it is doesn't enter into it.

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on July 05, 2022, 03:02:34 PM
Sorry, in case it was unclear I'm saying that it is a stupid and counter-productive thing to say.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 03:29:43 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on July 05, 2022, 03:02:34 PMSorry, in case it was unclear I'm saying that it is a stupid and counter-productive thing to say.

The level to which something of that sort is productive or otherwise is also irrelevant. What is relevant is whether it is or isn't true and what that means in a wider context. So far you've already conceded it is true, in as many words.

Again, your argument relies on assuming that bringing one point to light counter-productively obscures or dilutes the trespasses and/or motivations and intentions of the other side. It doesn't. They are all relevant and where feasible can be made plain and visible for all to see independent from each other.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: elliszeroed on July 05, 2022, 04:39:29 PM
Why does he always look like he has been photoshopped into the picture?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 05, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
It looks like Streeting's getting dragged in to the Corbyn libel trial, I think we all missed it given the sources:
(https://i.imgur.com/HeH596p.png)

I'll jump on the grenade and save everyone giving the DM clicks:
https://archive.ph/2vE6y

And Jewish News, which is mostly reporting Wes' mealy-mouthed justification lololol:
https://archive.ph/zGScz
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 05, 2022, 04:53:44 PM
People complaining how uncanny valley every photo of Sir Keir looks will go insane when Wes becomes leader
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 05, 2022, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 05, 2022, 04:53:44 PMPeople complaining how uncanny valley every photo of Sir Keir looks will go insane when Wes becomes leader

I still don't think Cameron's been beat on that.

(https://www.channel4.com/news/media/2010/01/day27/27_cameron_poster2_g_540.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 05, 2022, 05:57:40 PM
lol even Peston can just about get the better of him
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1544085929492611074
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 05, 2022, 06:19:42 PM
Quote from: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 03:29:43 PMThe level to which something of that sort is productive or otherwise is also irrelevant. What is relevant is whether it is or isn't true and what that means in a wider context. So far you've already conceded it is true, in as many words.

Again, your argument relies on assuming that bringing one point to light counter-productively obscures or dilutes the trespasses and/or motivations and intentions of the other side. It doesn't. They are all relevant and where feasible can be made plain and visible for all to see independent from each other.

Opposing Brexit is absolutely not undemocratic. Trying to nullify the result might possibly be (though there is a question about how democratic that was in a practical sense) but just being opposed to it isn't
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on July 05, 2022, 06:19:42 PMOpposing Brexit is absolutely not undemocratic. Trying to nullify the result might possibly be (though there is a question about how democratic that was in a practical sense) but just being opposed to it isn't

Where did I say it was? People really do like to stuff their own ideas down your throat.

I'm talking about a tendency among a group of people, not a principle. Come on now.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 05, 2022, 07:37:11 PM
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I mentioned in my update of 28th June 2021 that should the case go against Jeremy, he could potentially be liable for considerable court costs plus substantial damages. We have no idea how much that figure would be but anticipate that it will be significantly more than the amount we have raised so far.

I will keep you informed of developments as soon as I learn of them.

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Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 05, 2022, 08:30:28 PM
We should make sure to bump that link if necessary.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Johnny Yesno on July 05, 2022, 08:56:16 PM
Aye, quite astonishing that the costs could be significantly more than £376,000.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 05, 2022, 10:33:57 PM
Peston is somehow even more clueless than Marr and he hasnt even had a stroke
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 11:21:36 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 05, 2022, 10:33:57 PMPeston is somehow even more clueless than Marr and he hasnt even had a stroke

He just wanna suck and fuck
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 06, 2022, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 06:22:18 PMWhere did I say it was?


I don't know. That is what I thought you meant by the word soup you ladled into your last couple of posts. Maybe just say what you mean

Quote from: shoulders on July 05, 2022, 03:29:43 PMSo far you've already conceded it is true

I mean this sort of say you think it is true that it is undemocratic so you can't blame me for thinking that is what you meant
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Paul Calf on July 06, 2022, 12:42:30 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 06, 2022, 07:49:50 AM
Quote. There is a huge anti-democratic streak running through Pro-EU circles like a stick of rock

"Indescipherable word soup"
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on July 06, 2022, 10:40:29 AM
Apparently, the word on the street is that Starmer is getting so incensed with the behavior of Johnson that he's going to resign today because he can no longer support him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 06, 2022, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: KennyMonster on July 06, 2022, 10:40:29 AMApparently, the word on the street is that Starmer is getting so incensed with the behavior of Johnson that he's going to resign today because he can no longer support him.

Surprised he wasn't promoted to a cabinet position.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 06, 2022, 11:42:51 AM
At least if Johnson decides to call an election there becomes a slight glimmer of the possibility of a chance of Starmer's provisional Tory party releasing some policy flavours.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2022, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: KennyMonster on July 06, 2022, 10:40:29 AMApparently, the word on the street is that Starmer is getting so incensed with the behavior of Johnson that he's going to resign today because he can no longer support him.

This made me laugh a lot.  Then I burst into uncontrollable sobs.  Am I normal?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 06, 2022, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on July 06, 2022, 11:42:51 AMAt least if Johnson decides to call an election there becomes a slight glimmer of the possibility of a chance of Starmer's provisional Tory party releasing some policy flavours.

The plan is to tease the electorate - "Maybe we'll adjust the 20% tax rate, or we could invest in transport... somewhere. But you'll never know unless you vote for us!"

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XsNIFD7TxwU/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: Blumf on July 06, 2022, 12:41:53 PMThe plan is to tease the electorate - "Maybe we'll adjust the 20% tax rate, or we could invest in transport... somewhere. But you'll never know unless you vote for us!"

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XsNIFD7TxwU/hqdefault.jpg)

Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaahhhha.  Bloodly loved this post.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 06, 2022, 01:47:08 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/06/the-country-is-in-a-dangerous-place-people-are-frightened-andy-burnham-on-power-progress-and-finding-his-place

It's fairly obvious the left would now generally tolerate Burnham as Labour leader were that to happen.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 06, 2022, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: shoulders on July 06, 2022, 01:47:08 PMIt's fairly obvious the left would now generally tolerate Burnham as Labour leader were that to happen.

How clean is Burnham, from our perspective? Is he worth getting excited over, or just the least worst option?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: monkfromhavana on July 06, 2022, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: Blumf on July 06, 2022, 03:17:43 PMHow clean is Burnham, from our perspective? Is he worth getting excited over, or just the least worst option?

He did some good work on Hillsborough. Can't help but feel like he seems like he's really good because of how shit everyone else is and also because he has a degree of freedom being a mayor that he may not have the will to stick with if he was leader of the party.

Having said that, I don't remember his ever sticking the boot into Corbyn at any point, maybe playing the long game and a good compromise candidate.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on July 06, 2022, 03:31:49 PM
I think Burnham will be a Milliband at best.

Easily pushed by the right to do not much even if he wants to be a bit progressive.

He went up for leader vs Corbyn and didn't impress enough to be the "safe/sensible" option which means he didn't do/say anything that suggested a serious opposition to the threat of Austerity measures on the weakest in society.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2022, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: Blumf on July 06, 2022, 03:17:43 PMHow clean is Burnham, from our perspective? Is he worth getting excited over, or just the least worst option?

Being realistic, we could've had Burnham in 2015.  We chose Corbyn by a huge majority.  There was a reason why such a large number of people chose Marrowman. 

I think Burnham's probably the least worst option but I wouldn't rejoin the party for him.  I think Labour has killed itself. 
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 06, 2022, 03:44:34 PM
He seems to have processed the years in office through to his leadership campaigns and come through that being more anti-market and more populist. If he is seriously talking about PR and basic income then that needs airing. There is not a lot else going on and he has enough allies across the party to potentially, if briefly, unite people.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2022, 03:50:33 PM
I think the problem with Burnham is we've had Starmer. 

How can people believe what he promises?  How can people trust the promises of anyone that doesn't have a provable and lengthy track record?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 06, 2022, 04:33:07 PM
last time he came up I think I said he looked like he was doing an alright job as mayor but then @holyzombiejesus assured me from his Manchester-inhabitant perspective he wasn't.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 06, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
He's promising to do a good job with the buses but *shrugs*. The man's not remotely interested in changing anything in any meaningful way and Manchester residents are now being told that the waiting list of rrehousing even just to private rentals has gone up from a  few months to 6 years. Meanwhile, the council allows habitable housing to be bulldozed to make way for skyscrapers for millionaires. Obviously the blame can't be placed entirely at Burnham's door but anyone with any kind of left-leaning perspective would call this out. He could od what Corbyn was going to do and say that homelessness in Manchester would end by the end of the week (or even in 12 months) but he doesn't and wouldn't deream of doing so even though nearly every homeless person was homed during covid (and subsequently put back out on to the pavements) Anyway, please donate to this, thanks (https://gofund.me/1f2872e8).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 06, 2022, 05:17:07 PM
I was quite surprised at all the tents along the river when I came into Manchester before Covid. Especially how they're congregated in pockets like makeshift towns (not all that surprising). I'm sure that the actual numbers are similar to somewhere like Brum but the trains I've been on down there don't seem to coalesce in quite the same way.

A cynical part of me thought 'I bet the powers that be come along and shift them (without doing anything else) just so people on trains don't have to look at them'.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: shoulders on July 06, 2022, 05:18:48 PM
Wrong thread, soz
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Buelligan on July 06, 2022, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on July 06, 2022, 05:12:28 PMHe's promising to do a good job with the buses but *shrugs*. The man's not remotely interested in changing anything in any meaningful way and Manchester residents are now being told that the waiting list of rrehousing even just to private rentals has gone up from a  few months to 6 years. Meanwhile, the council allows habitable housing to be bulldozed to make way for skyscrapers for millionaires. Obviously the blame can't be placed entirely at Burnham's door but anyone with any kind of left-leaning perspective would call this out. He could od what Corbyn was going to do and say that homelessness in Manchester would end by the end of the week (or even in 12 months) but he doesn't and wouldn't deream of doing so even though nearly every homeless person was homed during covid (and subsequently put back out on to the pavements) Anyway, please donate to this, thanks (https://gofund.me/1f2872e8).

Thanks HZJ, I had the feeling it was so. 

On the link, I have donated and emailed every person I know and pleaded with them to share if they can't donate.  A small effort to fix something dreadful and completely fixable.  Solidarity.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 06, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: Buelligan on July 06, 2022, 05:22:45 PMOn the link, I have donated and emailed every person I know and pleaded with them to share if they can't donate.  A small effort to fix something dreadful and completely fixable.  Solidarity.

Cheers Buellers. If the rest of you could all chip in that would be lovely, ta (https://gofund.me/7514d078).
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 10:34:56 AM
Haha. Frankie Boyle had a spat yesterday with Abi Wilkinson. Unfortunately, Wilkinson appears to have deleted her account since but it was when Boyle tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1544764317077307392


Wilkinson pointed out that Boyle had slagged off Corbyn in his show and articles:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXEX921UYAE0OqL?format=jpg&name=large)
Boyle shockingly used the anti-semitism weaponisation again yesterday when someone said it was painful watch their programmes. He said : Which episode do you mean? The one where we had a Jew on?"

What an arsehole. 

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 08, 2022, 10:39:05 AM
Is he saying Labour should have bought TV stations and newspapers in preparation for the 2017 and 2019 elections? Or that they didn't focus enough on advertising and broadcasts in print and televisual media?

Maybe I'm not getting his point.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: kittens on July 08, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
frankie boyle is now so old his pussy is haunted
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 08, 2022, 10:48:11 AM
Labour eleven points ahead in Times poll, although that could change if the Durham police decide to fine Starmer and Rayner.

Wes Streeting waiting in the wings?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 08, 2022, 10:50:23 AM
Meanwhile the Metro reports that Starmer has been SMIRKING and KISSING HIS WIFE at Wimbledon.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on July 08, 2022, 10:56:08 AM
arsehole.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 10:34:56 AMHaha. Frankie Boyle had a spat yesterday with Abi Wilkinson. Unfortunately, Wilkinson appears to have deleted her account since but it was when Boyle tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1544764317077307392


Wilkinson pointed out that Boyle had slagged off Corbyn in his show and articles:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXEX921UYAE0OqL?format=jpg&name=large)
Boyle shockingly used the anti-semitism weaponisation again yesterday when someone said it was painful watch their programmes. He said : Which episode do you mean? The one where we had a Jew on?"

What an arsehole. 



I saw that, fragile wanker. It's already been posted in the TBEU thread but this made me crease:
(https://i.imgur.com/ukl15CI.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 11:14:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXIusrFXwAAFSPm?format=jpg&name=large)
This was his anti-semitism trope tweet yesterday.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 08, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
Quote from: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 10:34:56 AMHaha. Frankie Boyle had a spat yesterday with Abi Wilkinson. Unfortunately, Wilkinson appears to have deleted her account since

I think she just deactivates occasionally.  Probably wise.

Boyle acting like a pissy bluetick centrist celebrity, who knew.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 11:50:45 AM
She seems to get a lot of shit for someone whom, and I'm not intending to be cruel about this - wasn't all that a prominent journalist/commenter.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Memorex MP3 on July 08, 2022, 12:01:51 PM
Her arguments tend to go on for way longer and part of that is because she replies very quickly. She's often quite good at tearing someone down on their bullshit but definitely seems like twitter isn't very suited to.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 12:37:13 PM
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1545046345425203202

A clip where Boyle and The Smartest Man Ever Baddiel discuss Labour's hatred of the Jews. Fair play to Katherine Ryan and to some extent Sara Pascoe for trying to push back a little.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 08, 2022, 12:43:06 PM
David Baddiel there comparing antisemitism to cancer and by extension all other forms of racism to shingles
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 08, 2022, 12:48:02 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62095955
QuoteLabour leader Sir Keir Starmer and deputy Angela Rayner have been cleared by Durham Police of breaking lockdown rules.

It follows an inquiry into an event at a Labour MP's office in April last year.

In a statement, the police said they will not be issuing any fines and no further action will be taken.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: king_tubby on July 08, 2022, 12:48:27 PM
The cowards at the Durham constabulary have refused to issue Starmer with a FPN.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on July 08, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 12:37:13 PMhttps://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1545046345425203202

A clip where Boyle and The Smartest Man Ever Baddiel discuss Labour's hatred of the Jews. Fair play to Katherine Ryan and to some extent Sara Pascoe for trying to push back a little.

When is this from?
When was it broadcast?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Lordofthefiles on July 08, 2022, 12:58:18 PM
Starmer innocent of having a curry!

Well I'm disappointed to say the least.


...but the thing that's really making me sick about this whole thing is the disgusting cunt in a yellow jumper in the background of the secretly filmed video, smashing food into his hairy gobhole like a fucking pigman with the table manners of a goat having a stroke.


My teeth are right on edge and yet I can't stop focussing in him.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 08, 2022, 12:43:06 PMDavid Baddiel there comparing antisemitism to cancer and by extension all other forms of racism to shingles

Is it me or did he work hard to conjoin "thinking the world is ran by some anonymous elites" and "those elites are Jews"?

Because I don't think it's unlikely that there are some people who keep out of the limelight, have lots of power and probably have more money than the likes of Bezos or Musk, but keep it "off paper". Religion/Ethnicity doesn't come into it though. Very hard to phrase in a way without people jumping to conclusions that you are leading them into an antisemitic conspiracy theory though isn't it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: KennyMonster on July 08, 2022, 12:54:29 PMWhen is this from?
When was it broadcast?

Frankie Boyle's New World Order (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7847144/) Episode 2.1 - May 18, 2018
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: KennyMonster on July 08, 2022, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 01:01:06 PMFrankie Boyle's New World Order (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7847144/) Episode 2.1 - May 18, 2018

Ok, thanks

I was thinking it was a newly broadcast episode.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: oggyraiding on July 08, 2022, 01:06:28 PM
Did Frankie Boyle ever apologise for making fun of disabled children? Not a rhetorical question, I find it odd he pivoted from awful offensive cunt to self righteous acceptable voice of reason or whatever.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: imitationleather on July 08, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
He was only having a laugh.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 08, 2022, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on July 08, 2022, 10:48:11 AMLabour eleven points ahead in Times poll, although that could change if the Durham police decide to fine Starmer and Rayner.

Wes Streeting waiting in the wings?

Like a month old pig carcass behind a knackered old theatre curtain
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Psybro on July 08, 2022, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on July 08, 2022, 12:48:27 PMThe cowards at the Durham constabulary have refused to issue Starmer with a FPN.
Whilst a shame we haven't offloaded him and Johnson in the same week, this is yet another part of Dan Hodges' worldview I get to see crumbling before his crying eyes for free on Twitter.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 08, 2022, 01:15:11 PM
Like anyone really expected the cops were going nick cleanshirt starm
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: oggyraiding on July 08, 2022, 01:06:28 PMDid Frankie Boyle ever apologise for making fun of disabled children? Not a rhetorical question, I find it odd he pivoted from awful offensive cunt to self righteous acceptable voice of reason or whatever.

He hasn't apologised for it but has tried to intellectualize it by claiming it was high art in that 2014 interview with that Pointless cunt. He also was on Novara Media in 2020 saying he no longer does "nihilistic comedy" as the world has changed and these things are too important. Again, just intellectualising it when he should just say sorry for being a cunt.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on July 08, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Wonder how Boyle would react if a left winger used the "high art" defence.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 01:38:01 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 12:58:48 PMIs it me or did he work hard to conjoin "thinking the world is ran by some anonymous elites" and "those elites are Jews"?

Because I don't think it's unlikely that there are some people who keep out of the limelight, have lots of power and probably have more money than the likes of Bezos or Musk, but keep it "off paper". Religion/Ethnicity doesn't come into it though. Very hard to phrase in a way without people jumping to conclusions that you are leading them into an antisemitic conspiracy theory though isn't it?

Yeah, that's some pretty heavy lifting from Baddiel right there. I'd also like to know his source for 29% of Corbyn's supporters think this. Oh wait, it's Twitter isn't it?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: idunnosomename on July 08, 2022, 01:58:42 PM
It is from his book which you must buy because it is important and genius
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Inspector Norse on July 08, 2022, 02:17:24 PM
Starmer holding a press conference now to announce that much like about 59.5 million other people, he did not break the law.

Sure the GB News lot will be making out this is evidence of Starmer being in cahoots with the authorities or something, mind.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: suelgi on July 08, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
(https://dailyelection.files.wordpress.com/2022/02/img_3090.jpg)
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Mobius on July 08, 2022, 02:21:11 PM
Is this meant to be a victory lap speech? It's not very good
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: phantom_power on July 08, 2022, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 10:34:56 AMHaha. Frankie Boyle had a spat yesterday with Abi Wilkinson. Unfortunately, Wilkinson appears to have deleted her account since but it was when Boyle tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1544764317077307392


Wilkinson pointed out that Boyle had slagged off Corbyn in his show and articles:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXEX921UYAE0OqL?format=jpg&name=large)
Boyle shockingly used the anti-semitism weaponisation again yesterday when someone said it was painful watch their programmes. He said : Which episode do you mean? The one where we had a Jew on?"

What an arsehole. 



What does he expect to happen in opposition? Under Corbyn Labour held the Tories to account over and over. I know the balance of power is a bit different now and so it is harder for Starmer to do this but he doesn't even fucking try, often agreeing with or apologising for the government. He doesn't want to offend anyone and so in the process impresses no-one, apart from the sensible people who make up less of the population than they think they do
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Ferris on July 08, 2022, 02:44:53 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 08, 2022, 12:58:48 PMIs it me or did he work hard to conjoin "thinking the world is ran by some anonymous elites" and "those elites are Jews"?

Because I don't think it's unlikely that there are some people who keep out of the limelight, have lots of power and probably have more money than the likes of Bezos or Musk, but keep it "off paper". Religion/Ethnicity doesn't come into it though. Very hard to phrase in a way without people jumping to conclusions that you are leading them into an antisemitic conspiracy theory though isn't it?

Yeah, a stretch to see antisemitism there.

You need to have your head in the sand if you think that a few hyper-wealthy people don't have an outsized thumb on the scale of western politics and societal narratives. Who has more power over a national/global society, the governor of a mid-sized US state or Rupert Murdoch? The chair of the Fed or Ian Musk? There are legitimate questions to be asked about how power congeals and accumulates in the hands of a few very wealthy unelected people who have no democratic mandate or particular motivation to be benevolent, and whether that's a good thing or something that should be reined in somehow.

Ethnicity has nothing to do with it - in fact, the ones I can think of that are more... "covert" (if that's the right word) are all (?) tedious white blokes.

It is very difficult to talk about without sounding like a crank though, which I suppose is the point of all this. See also: discussion of why Israel probably (https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/04/07/600579223/palestinian-journalist-fatally-shot-while-covering-gaza-protest) shouldn't (https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-snipers-targeting-journalists-gaza/24081) shoot (https://www.972mag.com/idf-shoots-palestinian-journalist-with-rubber-bullet-in-latest-assault/) so (https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-journalist-union-says-6-reporters-shot-by-israel-in-gaza/) many (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-02-28/ty-article/un-council-israel-intentionally-shot-children-and-journalists-in-gaza/0000017f-f02b-d497-a1ff-f2ab3be90000) journalists (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/15/give-us-10-minutes-how-israel-bombed-gaza-media-tower) in (https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2018-04-25/ty-article/second-gazan-journalist-shot-by-israel-dies-of-wounds/0000017f-f792-d318-afff-f7f32c9c0000) the (https://cpj.org/2018/05/palestinian-journalist-shot-while-covering-gaza-pr/) head (https://www.npr.org/2022/07/04/1109683789/shireen-abu-akleh-death-investigation) (and that's just the documented media attack cases since 2018). That kind of criticism (and a discussion of where the military hardware is coming from that enables it) has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity, and everything to do with murdering people and becoming increasingly politically extreme and volatile, but any discussion leaves you very vulnerable to being labeled a racist, as if the only reason you'd care about basic human rights is because it's a useful tool with which to do a racism.

Anyway.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 08, 2022, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 12:37:13 PMhttps://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1545046345425203202

A clip where Boyle and The Smartest Man Ever Baddiel discuss Labour's hatred of the Jews. Fair play to Katherine Ryan and to some extent Sara Pascoe for trying to push back a little.

"off brand"

its pretty good to hear a certain kind of language from half a decade ago and know its unlikely to come back.
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Blumf on July 08, 2022, 03:25:57 PM
Quote from: Lordofthefiles on July 08, 2022, 12:58:18 PMStarmer innocent of having a curry!

A succulent chicken korma?
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 08, 2022, 03:28:47 PM
said it in the other thread at length but i doubt Baddiel to could writing passing grade as level coursework on 'antisemitism in the english speaking world' or something like it. imagine knowing so little that when you're brought on to argue that Labour has antisemitism problem you agree with the statement that this is probably because historically there's been no racism on the UK left? what on earth.

such a painfully obvious case of a pampered celebrity deciding he's an expert because he wants to see his name on the cover of a book. all he's got to fall back on is "as a..., i..." oh yes first person everyone else better shut up now

Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 08, 2022, 03:34:22 PM
antisemitism mainly happens when people have forgotten what antisemitism is so they blunder into it like hapless fools

if only someone on a chat show had defined it for them they wouldnt have commited such a cock up
Title: Re: Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on July 08, 2022, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: lipsink on July 08, 2022, 01:22:38 PMHe hasn't apologised for it but has tried to intellectualize it by claiming it was high art in that 2014 interview with that Pointless cunt. He also was on Novara Media in 2020 saying he no longer does "