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Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free

Started by pancreas, March 16, 2022, 08:54:56 AM

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Buelligan

It's a shame more people don't have the choice, whether you do or not, take a look at that NIP manifesto, shows us what it's possible to dream and work for.

shoulders

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/27/keir-starmer-party-opposition-election-labour

Labour needs to simultaneously move away from and closer to Corbynism, he concludes.

Starmer and his cabinet have a basic lack of presentational skills, he concludes.

At least the latter makes sense.

Quote

"We've got the kind of dullards we asked for, only they're a bit dull..."

idunnosomename

Bit rich for John Harris to ask what the point of something is

shoulders

They're still struggling like morbidly constipated gazelles to produce the proverbial turd, to whit : defining what a popular, appealing centrist market-friendly manifesto that distinguishes Labour from the Tories looks like that will appeal to enough of Labour's core contingency and swing voters.

It doesn't exist. Blairism was a one shot all gone idea. The 2008 crash happened, the Iraq war happened, austerity happened, Brexit happened, Covid happened. Russia is happening.

The solution was Corbyism, or if you react to that word like Voldemort or dog cum, the policies that were contained in the 2017 and 2019 manifestos.

Get a fucking grip.


dissolute ocelot

Quote from: shoulders on April 03, 2022, 11:39:44 AMThey're still struggling like morbidly constipated gazelles to produce the proverbial turd, to whit : defining what a popular, appealing centrist market-friendly manifesto that distinguishes Labour from the Tories looks like that will appeal to enough of Labour's core contingency and swing voters.

It doesn't exist. Blairism was a one shot all gone idea. The 2008 crash happened, the Iraq war happened, austerity happened, Brexit happened, Covid happened. Russia is happening.

The solution was Corbyism, or if you react to that word like Voldemort or dog cum, the policies that were contained in the 2017 and 2019 manifestos.

Get a fucking grip.
In times of prosperity you can get away with a centrist/New Labour/LibDem version of nice thoughts and no more money, but when people can't afford to eat or heat their houses, talking about ethics doesn't cut it.

Buelligan

It's the obvious logic of the lifeboat - there will always be a good number of people who'll ignore others drowning, provided their place in the boats is safe.

Labour* (and the tories) have been betting on that for decades but we've just lost more than half the lifeboats. 

*Not all of Labour, we all know who I mean here.

shoulders

Not as an opposition, no. The Tories however freely dip into socialist ideas* that this lot of milquetoast cunts would never entertain as they try to flirt with big business.

*purely for short term self-preservation, not as part of any ideological platform



Buelligan

If I had kids I'd be petrified of the harms self-regarding morons like Dorries and Duffield might do to their futures.  Ghastly people.

KennyMonster


monkfromhavana

"So I hear you're a Communist now, Emma Kennedy"

idunnosomename

Love to be called a "proper grown up" by a pigshit thick Tory

jobotic

You would if you were a pigshit thick Labour MP

phantom_power

Being "not the current awful government" is all well and good at the moment when there is nothing really at stake and it can give you a lift in the polls but unless there is a credible alternative and something to give a shit about long term it will all mean nothing when 6 months from the next election the Tories soften up, give a few tax cuts and pretend they have learned their lesson. All the centre/centre right people will go back to them, if they ever really left

Sebastian Cobb

feel like pure shit just want tory policy without the stigma associated with voting tory!

Ferris

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 04, 2022, 04:05:10 PMfeel like pure shit just want tory policy without the stigma associated with voting tory!

I know it's an old saw, but wanted to remind everyone of this centrist uber-melt post:


Cold Meat Platter


Ferris

Frankly, I'm sick of going to dinner parties only for people to get out their flags, crack a few anti semitic jokes, or display some kind of moral certainty after the second bottle of barolo.

Cold Meat Platter

Personally, if I can't get my flags with anti-Semitic slogans (which I know to be correct btw) on out then there's no point in going to these dinner parties. These people simply want to stamp out fun.

pancreas

After dinner we don Nazi uniforms and sing the chorus from the end of Meistersinger, which always gets us right in the mood for some violent sex. It wouldn't be a leftist dinner party otherwise!

shoulders

Still, good to know almost as soon as the middle classes feel the pinch socialist ideas become popular again.

monkfromhavana

Quote from: shoulders on April 04, 2022, 11:19:28 PMStill, good to know almost as soon as the middle classes feel the pinch socialist ideas become popular again.

I think it's more that they can now feel that they can trumpet socialist ideas and look cool now there's no hope of them actually happening.

Paul Calf

Yeah. There's no way Growling is struggling to pay the leccy bill. It's pure posturing.

Buelligan

The other night I was thinking of watching some film.  Idly glancing down the cast, I saw Eddie Fucking Marsan simpering away down the list, appetite for entertainment shriveled right then and there.  I don't think there were many flags in it. 

Paul Calf

If you really want to annoy him, just refer to him solely as 'Bladesey'.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Buelligan on April 05, 2022, 09:51:47 AMThe other night I was thinking of watching some film.  Idly glancing down the cast, I saw Eddie Fucking Marsan simpering away down the list, appetite for entertainment shriveled right then and there.  I don't think there were many flags in it. 

He usually plays contemptible characters anyway, him being worse in real life could make Tyrannosaur even better.

Buelligan

Yeah, I just can't tolerate his self-satisfied stupid smirk though.  Because of what it cost us all, all those smug arseholes with their minicelebrity and their fucking dinner parties, cost us.

Key

Not sure I can think of another actor who has such as mis-match between his onscreen persona and his real personality. Unhinged psycho hardman or King of the Melts?