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Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free

Started by pancreas, March 16, 2022, 08:54:56 AM

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Fambo Number Mive

Quote@MccarthyFintan
#NHS workers, nurses, teachers and other public sector workers must accept pay restraint to combat inflation says Rachel Reeves. @uklabour - NOT #OnYourSide

https://twitter.com/MccarthyFintan/status/1513360307997057026

She sounds like Thatcher. Interesting how the rich don't seem to be required to make any sacrifices by the Tory-Starmer Labour political class, just ordinary people.

Buelligan

Labour's current unerring ability to tap into the worst possible opinion and then back it loudly, quoting The Sun today -

Quote from: The Labour Party@UKLabourMotorists were already being hammered by prices at the pump, and now millions can't even access fuel.

The government must immediately impose injunctions to put a stop to this disruption.
QuoteCops could BAN eco-warrior protests blocking fuel as 'shortages' spark huge queues... 
PRESSURE is mounting on cops to BAN fuel protests and immediately arrest the eco-warriors causing chaos for millions of drivers across Britain.  Ministers are...

Let's ban protest now, shall we, Keith?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1513545879181004800

Johnny Yesno

#242
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 11, 2022, 11:49:25 AMhttps://twitter.com/MccarthyFintan/status/1513360307997057026

She sounds like Thatcher. Interesting how the rich don't seem to be required to make any sacrifices by the Tory-Starmer Labour political class, just ordinary people.

She's neolib fuckwit.

Gary Stevenson explains the reason we have crazy inflation at the moment: https://youtu.be/xct6FkKYmGc?t=1368

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Buelligan on April 11, 2022, 09:31:59 PMLabour's current unerring ability to tap into the worst possible opinion and then back it loudly, quoting The Sun today -


Let's ban protest now, shall we, Keith?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1513545879181004800

A reminder that David Wearing called it even before Kieth won the Labour leadership election:


Keir Starmer: Not the Safe Choice for Labour?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKNk3sXsvKU


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It's going to be nothing but pure beige awfulness from this iteration of the Party from now until the election, where they'll probably just put forward a slightly re-worded version of the Tory manifesto and an endless string of apologies for ever allowing Jeremy Corbyn to exist.

If the alternative of the Tories winning again wasn't so bad, I wouldn't be sorry to see them get totally annihilated. Almost nothing you can even get behind or think: 'well that's not a bad policy/stance actually', just attempting to out-Tory the Tories, to crack skulls harder than they can.

Buelligan

If we can learn anything from what's going on currently in French politics, it's this - if we permit the choice offered to the electorate to always be between two brands of neo liberalism, the people made desperate enough by that will increasingly turn to fascism (if we permit socialist alternatives to be spilt and neutralised).

We cannot allow that.

shoulders

It appears at times as though their strategy is to be so unappealing they don't want to win the election, only to lose to the extent that the conclusion drawn is 'we didn't go right wing enough'.

After Starmer loses they have already ensured the next round of challengers will not be from the left, purely as they won't get the numbers.

And they wonder why young people feel the most unrepresented and disenfranchised they have done in a generation.

But yes, if Labour somehow inherit the country through the Tories fucking up in a way the electorate manage to pin them for, nothing will change for ordinary people. Crooks will get Lordships, the party will go back to being financially reliant on right wing big business owners and under the thumb of the right wing press.

Corbyn should have pushed through open selection regardless of any negative clamour of any kind. It is a fundamentally positive policy with a simple idea that's easy to promote and easy to defend.

Totally squandered any chances by thinking we could reason with or bargain with these creeps.




pancreas

Open selection would have been instantly rescinded by the NEC.

Memorex MP3

I generally assume they're trying to do the most low risk possible way of recording a seat gain rather than anything else. Which considering how squeezed the party was in 2019 is like deciding to play Mario Kart at 50cc and aiming for bronze.

They'll claim any kind of seat gain at all as being a major victory after the previous leadership and just sit about doing fuck all hoping for the Tories to just hand them a term at some point.

lipsink

I met my partner's family the other night and one of them told me she joined Labour when Starmer took over and would've never joined  previously because of how bad Corbyn was and the anti-semitism. She then went through the old classic "We need to come together to get the Tories out and the only way to do that is to move the Party to the Right and not be Hard Left, like Corbyn"

I had to basically just nod and stay quiet cos I knew I'd end up arguing with her and it's not a good look when you're trying to impress your potential in laws.  Starmer spends more time kicking the Left than he does fighting the Tories. It doesn't really sound like the Left are starting the fight. God, it's just so frustrating.

She also seems to think that Corbyn refused to form a coalition with Swinson's Lib Dems to stop Brexit going through in 2019. That's bollocks, isn't it? It was the other way round. Swinson said she wouldn't do it?

greencalx

Yip. Both the LDs and SNP went for ideological purity in the indicative votes ballots, which was the closest we came to avoiding Brexit on the Tories' own terms.

(Key phrase: "There's no better relationship with the EU than the one we've already got" which relies on such a gross misunderstanding of realpolitik that it must have been deliberate)

Buelligan

Yes. 
Quote from: The Independent 5 November 2019Jo Swinson 'absolutely categorically' rules out working with Corbyn even to deliver new Brexit referendum

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jo-swinson-corbyn-general-election-brexit-referendum-coalition-a9185896.html

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#253
Swinson definitely said he was 'unfit to be PM' and the Lib Dems would never deal with him.

Buelligan

I'm afraid I have very little patience with people who pontificate about politics but either don't actually follow it or don't seem to have sufficient memory to retain salient information. 

Perhaps it's best that you thoroughly offend her, lipsink, at this early stage, before she inveigles her way into your actual family.  Grasp this nasty nettle now to avoid a whole massive fucking patch.  WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!

Fambo Number Mive

lipsink should make 12 promises regarding their relationship with this in law and then break all 12 of them over the next few years. She's a massive Kier fan, she won't mind.

lipsink

The thing is she talked about how the Party needs to go to the Right and not be so Left like Corbyn I'd love her to explain exactly what policies she thinks are too Left Wing and what Right Wing policies she thinks the Party should have. She didn't sound very good on detail. Just parroting what she's seen on Twitter.

I think I'll just avoid chatting to her about it. I did say I was a Corbyn supporter so I'm probably on her list now.

Buelligan

These actual dimwits are the ones that need sending to detention centres or being heavily sanctioned.  That is my proposed new right wing policy I'd like to see adopted.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 03:35:24 PMPerhaps it's best that you thoroughly offend her, lipsink, at this early stage, before she inveigles her way into your actual family.  Grasp this nasty nettle now to avoid a whole massive fucking patch.  WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!

You don't deal with weeds by ripping them out unless you want to see them again, you need a long-term chemical solution.


imitationleather


Buelligan



Paul Calf

Quote from: Buelligan on April 12, 2022, 04:57:49 PMWon't anybody think of The Pixies?


That's not the original soundtrack. It was originally scored with Perfect Day.

Buelligan

Like I said, I was thinking of the Pixies.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote🚨BREAKING: The party have removed the membership login wall for brand resources.

It's now wayyy easier to download logos, fonts, guidelines etc if you're designing campaign material, etc etc

https://twitter.com/LabourDesign/status/1514197212967886850



This is definitely a good idea, there's no chance this isn't a good idea.

Zetetic

I think it probably is?

It's not like it was ever difficult for someone acting maliciously (you know what I mean).


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QuoteYet there is still unease within Labour that it has not changed enough. Last month, I sat with 20 moderate MPs discussing their future. All agreed that voters were yet to embrace the party. One says, "voters are going off Boris Johnson in a big way, but they are yet to come over to us. That worries me."

One of Labour's senior figures from its last stint in office warns, "every time you think you've done enough to reassure the public, you need to double down on it again". The former minister adds, "all of the policies from that era need to be thrown out of the window, which is a much more difficult thing to do".

No policies, just Ed Balls tap dancing.

idunnosomename

The pink paper is the sensible one you see