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Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free

Started by pancreas, March 16, 2022, 08:54:56 AM

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Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: shoulders on May 04, 2022, 04:40:31 PMThis guy's comment nails it.

If there is not only a lack of hope for the future but prospect of real change regardless of which party is in government then young people will not vote and no amount of scaremongering about the far right will make them.

Yes I quite often wonder about whether in these conditions voting is minimising harm or enabling things to stay as they are.

Although I also worry both parties are totally fine with shrinking voter numbers provided the argument stays the same.

Pink Gregory

Nah mate what emboldens the far right is accepting that their policy platforms (if they have them) deserve to exist as part of political discourse and then adopting slightly watered down versions of them to please imagined legions of socially conservative voters who aren't going to vote for you anyway. 

shoulders

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 04, 2022, 05:16:29 PMYes I quite often wonder about whether in these conditions voting is minimising harm or enabling things to stay as they are.

Although I also worry both parties are totally fine with shrinking voter numbers provided the argument stays the same.

Tbf I think at Local elections the macro grand strategy isn't worth getting distracted by - providing you do your research about the candidates.

shoulders

https://twitter.com/Jaro_Hasek/status/1521915860075560962?t=dyrBhagog03AvtuHQE7GIg&s=19

This laconic, socialist verging on anarchist account is worth a follow if you waste your time in that fashion. Dips into pretentiousness and over emphasis at points but that's what I'd hope for. Nothing about Labour but lots about related wider issues.

pigamus

Politico wondering if Starmer could be fucked

Seems a bit of a stretch to me but it's a cheering thought:

'The Beergate story has been a highly successful Conservative HQ attack operation, but Starmer's claim that broadcast journalists are simply falling for Tory mudslinging is not right. There is a chorus of non-Tory voices criticizing the Labour leader's handling of the row, with several papers other than the Sun and the Mail jumping on the story today. The FT's Jim Pickard has dug out the government guidance for campaigning at the time, which clearly stated: "You should not meet with other campaigners indoors." This guidance was not legally binding, but it is obviously highly newsworthy for a senior politician to apparently clearly breach it and then insist he has done nothing wrong. Pickard says "senior Labour figures" now fear Beergate will seriously damage Labour and prevent the party from capitalizing on the No. 10 Partygate at the locals.

The Times' Chris Smyth goes further in an essential analysis piece. He argues that all bets are off if Durham police open an investigation into Starmer, and worse: "If they end up fining Starmer, it could prove terminal. After all, Starmer has repeatedly insisted not only that Johnson resign, but that Rishi Sunak must also quit, despite the chancellor's rule-breaking seemingly one-off and largely accidental. If Starmer was also found to have broken the rules, it is hard to see how he could credibly refuse to apply the same standard to himself. If he clung on in such a scenario, his credibility would be shot ... If the only political casualty of the affair turns out to be Starmer himself, it will be an irony so bitter for Labour that all the beer in Durham would not wash the taste away."'

Sebastian Cobb

I don't know what the fuck's going on tbh as I saw lots of "labour prepping for going to shit" stuff being reported yesterday but some of the polling stuff suggests either labour doing really well everywhere, or minor gains in England and gains in the rest of the UK, to the point that they practically take the Tory's share in Scotland (but little impact against the SNP).

Blinder Data

Quote from: pigamus on May 05, 2022, 11:21:08 AMPolitico wondering if Starmer could be fucked...

If Durham police investigate, he could be, or at least lose any goodwill and polling lead built up during "partygate". However, I suspect the furore in the media over this is simply the right-wing papers desperately trying to fling shit at Labour to stop the Tories getting hammered today. There is little evidence "Beergate" has broken through among the wider public and I'm predicting the story will be dropped after today.

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 05, 2022, 11:54:47 AMI don't know what the fuck's going on tbh as I saw lots of "labour prepping for going to shit" stuff being reported yesterday but some of the polling stuff suggests either labour doing really well everywhere, or minor gains in England and gains in the rest of the UK, to the point that they practically take the Tory's share in Scotland (but little impact against the SNP).

Don't interpret this as a "telling off", but isn't this better-suited to the Local elections thread?

Sebastian Cobb

Yeah probably but I assumed some of the politico speculation was in anticipation of poor local election results.

Psybro

That Times journo is making the word 'if' do a lot of work to make it seem remotely comparable to Partygate and still coming up short, enjoying watching Starmer sweat shouldn't detract from acknowledging broadsheets doing the same job as the Mail but via beardstroking.

pigamus

If Durham police have already said nothing doing then I can't see that changing unless Priti Patel puts massive pressure on them - but then the Tories are desperate so I wouldn't put it past them

shoulders

Can't wait to visit the polling station later to vote for "?"

monkfromhavana

TUSC for me - Even if I was tempted to vote Labour, the way the local council have handled the binman strike is very shitty and underhand.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Today by Carole Morgan, OrganiserHello my dear friends and comrades,

As you know, it's been quite some time since I last updated everyone. The reason for this is that we are now in a waiting game. It is up to the Courts when the case Richard Millett has brought against Jeremy will be heard. Until then we can only wait. One thing is certain however, and that is that the case will proceed. As soon as I have more information I will let you know.

JBC Defence Limited has had a small success however, in that we now have a bank account! Hard to believe that it's taken so long for a bank to let us open an account for Jeremy's Legal Fund, so all credit to Barclays for doing so.

As you know, Jeremy continues to work at his usual unstoppable pace regardless of those that try to waylay him, so our having the JBC Defence Ltd account at least takes this burden from his shoulders.

I am grateful to all of you for your steadfast support of Jeremy and the fund. These are difficult times for us all which only highlights how much your generosity means to Team JBC and of course, Jeremy.

With love and best wishes to each and every one of you,

Carole xxx

£374,857 raised so far. Fuck you, Millett, you cunt.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fund?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-165176724263-2707aad2cc8f11ec

shoulders




Cuellar

Streeting seems like a pretty unpleasant guy, but that is a shitposting account so er...

Pink Gregory


Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Cuellar on May 05, 2022, 08:16:14 PMStreeting seems like a pretty unpleasant guy, but that is a shitposting account so er...

It had crossed my mind it wasn't real, although the response does have the check, of course you can fake that but it's more involved than composing a fake DM from another account.

I'm not sure it matters though since even if it is bollocks it's still funny that they're running with it.


Starmer must condemn.

idunnosomename

yeah i dont know if this is faked or not, either way lmao



i think it probably is fake because he wouldn't mention Suzanne Moore. he'd just pretend he noticed it for the first time

pigamus

This is worse than the pet shop is it?

idunnosomename

wes streeting looks like someone shoved a set of false teeth into a mouldy pumpkin

edit lol



Sebastian Cobb

QuotePLP WhatsApp group was sent a handy reminder to "make your voice heard – vote before 10pm". At 22:04 😄

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1522326921173995520

lol they really are shit at everything.

Johnny Yesno


Sebastian Cobb

It was that the plp whatsapp had a message reminding everyone to vote by 10pm,sent at 10:03.

KennyMonster

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 05, 2022, 07:04:21 PM£374,857 raised so far. Fuck you, Millett, you cunt.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fund?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-165176724263-2707aad2cc8f11ec

If there's anyone interested in other similar legal GoFundMe concerns from people weaponising AS, there's a guy Mike Sivier being sued for libel by Rachel Riley, he could do with people helping him with his costs on his CrowdJustice page.

king_tubby

Uh oh!

https://twitter.com/evansma/status/1522542734267015174

QuoteMartin Evans
@evansma
EXCLUSIVE: Durham Police will investigate Sir Keir Starmer over beergate allegations, the Daily Telegraph understands

pcsjwgm

Quote from: king_tubby on May 04, 2022, 04:35:26 PMSmee
Smeeth is on the board so draw your own conclusions!

And Hope Not Hate was initially a campaign by Nick Lowles when he was working with Gerry Gable at Searchlight magazine. Gable is known to have links with Western security services.
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster24.pdf#page=9

jobotic

Much as I'd like to see Starmer in the shit, the filth are looking at this because the Tories and the press have told them to, while the London filth do their utmost to protect Johnson. It's not good.