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Starmer VIII: Labour will set you free

Started by pancreas, March 16, 2022, 08:54:56 AM

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shoulders

Just realised that Streeting reminds me of Harriet Harman. It's the head shape, pallor and weird beady eyes.

greencalx

If Keith is fingered by the fuzz for this, it's hard to see how he can escape unscathed given his stance on Johnson and Sunak's lawbreaking. It is, of course, true that there is a huge difference in scale between the routine and flagrant disregard in Whitehall for their own rules, and a one-off (?) event on a campaign trail. But if Keith tries to offer this as a defence, it's not clear how his credibility will remain intact. And even if it is the end of him, the Tories will just laugh off their multiple fines and stick two fingers up to the opposition and the country. Because that's how it works.

idunnosomename

As much it's funny to see Kir Seir hoisted by his own petard, the time of the Hartlepool by-election in 2021 was hardly like lockdown 1 in 2020 when the cops were fining people for having a sit down and that. And there's more shit going on at No. 10 than the birthday cake

greencalx

Sure- and I don't really want to see him go for this, as that would just let him off the hook for all the other crapness that surrounds him. But I can easily see it going that way if he is served a notice.

kittens

slippery starmer caught in the act. slippery starmer at it again with the beers and the lads. slippery starmer in his little office munching on pizza pie with his trusted friends. little does slippery starmer know, there's a man out the window. look, slippery starmer, he's got a camera! watch out slippery starmer, he's got you on film! slippery starmer too drunk too care, stuffing his slippery face with slippery slices of the most slippery pie dominos has to offer. slippery starmer munching a hot slippery giuseppe and glugging a slippery staropramen. slipping and sliding around his branch office on all fours like a greased up pig, his friends squirting fairy liquid on him in a demented bukkake bachannal, sucking up slices from the wet tarpaulin and slurping slops of seven-up, sluicing, slopping, sucking, smacking his slippery lips at the thought of another slice. he's really slipped up this time

Pink Gregory


greencalx

Sorry - you've got Humphrey Littleton (or his scriptwriter) to thank for that.

Psybro

If Partygate doesn't come up on the doorstep much as they keep saying, the Tories are wasting a lot of energy implicating Starmer in something nobody's bothered about.

Quote

The Tories killing off thousands of care home biddies and looting the public purse to dish out to their cronies always seemed the bigger, more important crimes but Keith decided to focus on the parties and propriety in office instead, then saw it blow up in his face when he was shown to have broken the rules in much the same way (albeit he didn't put those rules in place and it was at a far less serious moment in the pandemic).

Forensic, etc.

idunnosomename

Quote from: Psybro on May 08, 2022, 10:57:52 AMIf Partygate doesn't come up on the doorstep much as they keep saying, the Tories are wasting a lot of energy implicating Starmer in something nobody's bothered about.
it seems much more like our nasty spiteful print press just being gleeful bullies for the sake of it because thats how our country is now

pigamus

Baffles me how how Kieth could be so stupid as to let this happen. You'd think he'd be paranoid about following the rules for just this reason.

idunnosomename

He was kept away from his Jameson too long and had to wet his whistle with a cheeky Peroni

shoulders

As Starmer's mission isn't to get Labour elected but to defang Labour completely of all socialist impulse, it's difficult to see him stepping aside even if he gets fined for breaking the law.


DrGreggles

I hate Keith as much as anyone, but isn't this just workers having a lunch break? You know, like employment law requires if you're working x hours in a day - and was certainly within guidelines a year ago.
I can't see the 'gotcha' here.

He should definitely resign though.

greencalx

Quote from: shoulders on May 08, 2022, 01:37:52 PMAs Starmer's mission isn't to get Labour elected but to defang Labour completely of all socialist impulse, it's difficult to see him stepping aside even if he gets fined for breaking the law.

Wouldn't handing over to Wes put the final nail in the coffin?

shoulders

Quote from: greencalx on May 08, 2022, 01:59:46 PMWouldn't handing over to Wes put the final nail in the coffin?

Probably for Labour in general, Streeting is a weirdo and makes the Milibands look like the man on the street.

Fambo Number Mive

It's going to be very difficult now for anyone in Labour to bring up the multiple lockdown breaches by Tories without the tabloids, the grifters and the Tories responding by shouting about Starmar's alleged lockdown breach over and over again. I suppose most shadow cabinet members are not bothered whether the Tories or Labour are in government so long as they continue to enjoy the trappings of power so won't be moving against Kier if he refuses to resign.

Paul Calf

Not really. My response is "Yeah, they should fuck off too and let someone in who's going to improve the lives of the people they elected."

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: DrGreggles on May 08, 2022, 01:51:34 PMI hate Keith as much as anyone, but isn't this just workers having a lunch break? You know, like employment law requires if you're working x hours in a day - and was certainly within guidelines a year ago.
I can't see the 'gotcha' here.

That depends on whether there was a buffet and music, and whether they carried on working after eating their food at 11pm.

Blinder Data

Apologies for this deep-dive but it's interesting how transparently Alex Wickham, ex-Guido hack at Politico and alleged godfather to Boris and Carrie's kid, is trying to get Starmer for this:

Quote from: https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/scoops-drunk-staff-at-keir-curry-loto-xmas-party-invite-khan-dont-quit/MR RULES: The person also told Playbook that no work was being done during or after the curry, and therefore that the event "crossed the line" and breached COVID laws. They explained their recollection of what happened: As per the MoS story, the dinner was pre-planned, contrary to Starmer's suggestion that a takeaway was ordered because people were "hungry." The plan was to have a "working dinner" where Starmer and around 15 other people ate their curries while holding a Zoom call with Labour activists. However, the person said, the curry arrived late, after the Zoom call and all work had finished. As a result: "There was no work being done. There just wasn't. The Zoom events had finished ... If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn't have been a breach. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn't work and there was no work afterwards that I'm aware of." They went on: "It was Friday night after nine o'clock and some people were drinking ... Of course it crossed the line."

If this account is correct, they broke the rules because the curry was late. Which seems harsh and is a reminder that some of the rules at the time were a nonsense. If they sent one email after the curry, then would they be in the clear?

They also have a SCOOP that Starmer's office tried to arrange Christmas party in 2020 - but then cancelled it!

QuoteWhy this matters: The event ultimately never took place so there is no danger of any fines. But we have confirmation here from Starmer's team that they attempted to organize a Christmas party that may well have broken COVID laws. That certainly raises questions about their conduct, not least given Starmer's criticism of the government over its own lockdown-breaking parties.

They've been caught bang to rights for the crime of not having a party that would have broken lockdown rules.

QuotePlaybook has seen some galaxy brain hot takes this weekend suggesting that Starmer resigning would actually be bad news for Boris Johnson. This may be a bit too much 4D chess — Tory sources pointed out last night that generally in politics your opponent having to resign is not seen as a negative.

This is the worst of it and demonstrates everything wrong with Westminster journalism - almost wilful superficial thinking with no thought beyond the short-term. First of all, it's clear the Tories don't fear Starmer so Labour swapping him for a more able replacement would not be a positive for them. And what would the public think if Starmer resigns for breaking the rules once, but Johnson refuses to for even though he broke the rules more egregiously on multiple occasions? It would make his position untenable, finally.

It will be very funny if by pushing #beergate the right-wing press and the likes of Nadine Dorries accidentally speed up the departure of their man.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Blinder Data on May 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AMThey also have a SCOOP that Starmer's office tried to arrange Christmas party in 2020 - but then cancelled it!

They've been caught bang to rights for the crime of not having a party that would have broken lockdown rules.

Kieth should apologise anyway and pledge to stamp out the culture of rule breaking that has been tolerated under his leadership.

Zero Gravitas

Quote from: Blinder Data on May 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AMIt would make his position untenable, finally.

Are you kidding? As a war prime minister!?

idunnosomename

Funny how they yell hypocrite at him after their series of lockdown busting bashes at Christmas and when James Slack was leaving downing street

https://pressgazette.co.uk/sun-deputy-editor-james-slack-sorry/

Still keir has been bending over backwards for these cunts so he deserves all of their shit in his stupid face

suelgi

Another funny Labour attack ad on a party they will need in the future.

Sebastian Cobb

As someone points out they're pillorying the greens for things they pledged to do even harder.

QuoteIn an attack leaflet from last week, Labour accused the Greens of wanting to "increase the rate of Corporation Tax to 24%"

When Starmer was running to be leader he told Labour members he supported increasing CT back to 28% (the rate it was under Brown, before the Tories cut it)

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1523571190874353665

EOLAN

Quote from: suelgi on May 09, 2022, 12:03:10 PMAnother funny Labour attack ad on a party they will need in the future.


Thanks Labour. Am checking out your own 2019 policies from manifesto and website and I like a lot of that I must say. Hope you are happy to tell me more about them. 

Old Nehamkin

A bunch of tie-dyed tree-huggers who would rather play hacky sack than lock up the homeless.

greencalx

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but (according to the Eye) there was a huge party at the Sun offices during lockdown, that allegedly included 'Ugandan discussions' between various members of staff.

EOLAN

It seems almost too obvious; but those Lid Dem and Green leaflets sent out by letter aren't trying to deter people who may move in those directions. Rather trying to show to soft Tories that these are policies we now strongly oppose; look we aren't far from the Tories at all so don't be scared of us.

wrec

Pearl clutching over the Greens' pro-EU position is laughably hypocritical but also profoundly grim. Vote Sideshow Bob.