No Time To Die (Bond 25)

[mothman]

And they were on TV a lot in the 80s

I think for a lot of Gen Xers and Millenials, that is the defining characteristic. The Boxing Day Bond film. Would it be an old favourite, or one of the newer ones getting its first TV broadcast?

I bet someone has a list of TV premiere dates for the series..!

Me? First one at the cinema: Moonraker, 1979. First one seen on TV: OHMSS, in September 1980 (have specific reasons for remembering the date). That's probably doing it the wrong way round, but I didn't grow up in this country so never watched much British TV. I mainly wanted to see Moonraker because it had spaceships and ray guns...

[Bad Ambassador]

I can't remember seeing any of the pre-85 films apart from OHMSS for the first time - I've always seen them. I've seen the last six on opening day, at the first opportunity. I'm eyeing a 5.20 screening on Thursday.

[Bad Ambassador]

I bet someone has a list of TV premiere dates for the series..!

Dr No   28th October 1975
From Russia With Love   2nd May 1976
Goldfinger   3rd November 1976
Thunderball   26th February 1977
You Only Live Twice   20th November 1977
On Her Majesty's Secret Service   4th September 1978
Diamonds Are Forever   25th December 1978
Live And Let Die   20th January 1980
The Man With The Golden Gun   25th December 1980
The Spy Who Loved Me   28th March 1982
Moonraker   27th December 1982
For Your Eyes Only   31st August 1986
Octopussy   30th January 1988
A View To A Kill   31st January 1990
The Living Daylights   3rd October 1992
Licence To Kill   3rd January 1994
GoldenEye   10th March 1999
Tomorrow Never Dies   13th October 1999
The World Is Not Enough   14th November 2001
Die Another Day   27th October 2004
Casino Royale   19th September 2009
Quantum of Solace   26th March 2011
Skyfall   24th December 2014
Spectre   1st January 2018

[Magnum Valentino]

I can't remember seeing any of the pre-85 films apart from OHMSS for the first time - I've always seen them. I've seen the last six on opening day, at the first opportunity. I'm eyeing a 5.20 screening on Thursday.

Same. I realised today I've ways been into it, since I was probably a bit too young. Remember taping them off RTE around 1998 1999 back when they showed one a week all summer. But can't remember my first. I think the first I bought on video was Golden Gun. First in cinema was The World Is Not Enough, didn't get to see a good one til Casino Royale. Don't really remember any of the other kids liking Bond stuff. I've always liked older things that weren't contemporary at the time though which is probably why I had no problem enjoying films from the 60s at age 10 or so. Liked old Marvel comics then too, although I was definitely aware with those that I liked them because they were quaint and different.

I was definitely familiar with Goldeneye 007 for N64 at the right time too so that takes me forward to at least 1997 I think.

[kalowski]

I think every Bond film should end with Bond missing a limb, dying or being covered head to toe in burn scars, and being inexplicably back to normal at the start of the next one.

Crushed by a giant boot like the end of Jet Set Willy.

[thecuriousorange]

The premiere of this is happening this evening, so expect the first reviews[nb]by handpicked "critics" who've been specially invited and buttered up[/nb] soon.

[mothman]

I've muted the hashtag just in case, and will likely duck out of this thread soon, until next week!

[phantom_power]

The codename idea makes little sense. When he goes out on missions, he's supposed to use fake names (but characteristically eschews them to introduce himself as Bond). Why would he have a codename solely for use within MI6, which goes back to the 1960s? Especially as each successive Bond keeps leaking it to his enemies.

Unless it is a Dread Pirate Roberts type deal where it is a name to strike fear into the hearts of the enemy

[Dr Rock]

James Bond isn't a code name but every Batman has been a totally different person.

[Blofelds Cat]

True.. but they have the multi verse..arent Keaton and Affleck appearing together in an upcoming film ?

[Butchers Blind]

Couldn't they bring back Lazenby, Dalton and Brosnan along with Craig and do a Four Bonds thing like in Dr Who.

[lipsink]

That might be silly.

[lipsink]

It's got a Guardian Review now. But it's by Pete Bradshaw so I stopped reading it cos he starts giving out plot points as usual.

It got fives stars, for what it's worth. Though I remember Kermode loved Spectre.

[phantom_power]

AA Dowd at the AV Club didn't like it

[Twit 2]

Bit rich Bradshaw critiquing Craig's looks. Pete's face looks likes it's been hastily assembled from out-of-date pork pies and mink fur, by a blind man.

[dissolute ocelot]

Similarly, Billie Elish's momentum has changed from "about to go on massive world tour proportionate with unexpected success of debut album" to "in the middle of cycle for follow up album with entirely different sensibilities". I think it was probably a bigger deal for her then than it is now. Says a lot though that despite the 18 months she's still a big deal.

Billie Eilish always had a bit of an "appeal to the dads" quality about her, but with her new album being much more jazz standard-y, the Bond theme represents her move into easy listening and the associated middle-aged audience. Perfect in hindsight.

There's gonna eventually be some sort of bond multiverse isn't there.

They should do a Young James Bond set in the 90s or 00s. It would be nice to have some proper Cold War stuff too, as comparatively few films actually had Russian baddies. I'd definitely prefer a historically-set Bond, which would also allow him to do all the stuff the old-guard fans like (martinis, casinos, casual sex, kill foreigners) without looking like a total twat.

Reviews are all over the place: ***** in Guardian, B on IndieWire, C on AV Club. Seems to have lots of crying and not much action, and Bradshaw loves anything with a middle-aged man crying.

[Dex Sawash]

***** in Guardian,

Seen a few asterisk posts lately, is that a banned word CaB filter?

[dissolute ocelot]

Seen a few asterisk posts lately, is that a banned word CaB filter?

Five stars out of five, although maybe that should be banned.

[Dex Sawash]

Check out this dunce

[Bad Ambassador]

They should do a Young James Bond set in the 90s or 00s. It would be nice to have some proper Cold War stuff too, as comparatively few films actually had Russian baddies. I'd definitely prefer a historically-set Bond, which would also allow him to do all the stuff the old-guard fans like (martinis, casinos, casual sex, kill foreigners) without looking like a total twat.

Charlie Higson wrote a bunch of Young Bond novels set in the 1930s. They're generally very good.

[El Unicornio, mang]

Though I remember Kermode loved Spectre.

I did too, my second fave of the Craig films after CR

Billie Eilish always had a bit of an "appeal to the dads" quality about her,

Particularly after the "Lost Cause" video.

[Dr Rock]

True.. but they have the multi verse..arent Keaton and Affleck appearing together in an upcoming film ?

Shit it was a crap joke, but it's true isn't it. Same with all the Spider-Mans.

[surreal]

I think aside from Casino Royale I have probably only watched the Craig ones once each - I'm not seeing NTTD until 8th October so I think I'll have to watch the preceding 4 just to recall what the overriding arc is all about

[Butchers Blind]

I think aside from Casino Royale I have probably only watched the Craig ones once each - I'm not seeing NTTD until 8th October so I think I'll have to watch the preceding 4 just to recall what the overriding arc is all about

It's about Bond being old, or something.

[dead-ced-dead]

It's about Bond being old, or something.

Casino Royale is him going, "I'm young and the rules don't apply to me."

The other three: "Cor, me hip!"

[thecuriousorange]

He just aged overnight, like a pear.

[mothman]

Craig has aged (FFS, nine years since the arguable high point of his tenure and only one other film during that time) so his look has finally caught up with his arc. But it really depends on what angle you see him from.  The final release poster, I mean, come on!



He looks like he's walked into a room then forgotten what he came in for.

[shiftwork2]

Any chance of making that a touch larger

[colacentral]

[mothman]

Any chance of making that a touch larger

Sorry, on my phone, no idea what size it is.