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Started by daf, May 03, 2021, 09:09:11 AM
QuoteWhere do I put my thoughts on rewatching old new Who from the start?I've just spotted Perry Benson in the Eleventh Hour. That's made my Sunday.
Quote from: Norton Canes on May 03, 2021, 03:07:23 PM[edit: 'season none'? that sounds like such a Moffat meta-idea]
Quote from: daf on May 03, 2021, 03:16:20 PMHe he! They should release McGann's box set as 'season none' - poor sod!
Quote from: daf on May 03, 2021, 04:06:58 PMThat Charles Dickens one (The Unquiet Dead) seems to have been written as an Eccleston Christmas special - I wonder if they'd have held it back if he stayed a bit longer.
Quote from: mothman on May 03, 2021, 04:45:31 PMWell to be fair the idea of a Christmas special or the rules of same ("Never tell me the rules!") hadn't really been established yet...
Quote from: purlieu on May 03, 2021, 04:48:10 PM...
Quote from: purlieu on May 03, 2021, 04:48:10 PMControversial opinion alert, but I find most of the RTD era really embarrassingly bad. Like, I would turn it off if I thought someone might catch me watching it. I get why that version of the show needed to exist to make the show a hit, but my God I hate it. Fart jokes, Captain Jack, Big Brother, the whole soap opera aspect of the companion's families, The Doctor bullying his companion's boyfriend and then falling in love with his companion, his ludicrous response to Rose leaving, Rose coming back undercutting that even further, the ugly TARDIS interior and everyone being inexplicably jostled around every time they travelled, the TARDIS towing the Earth across the universe, Tennant's never-ending leaving scene and him generally being a brat about regenerating, the fucking Peter Kay episode, The Doctor carrying the Olympic torch, RTD's inability to write truly gripping finales so him just throwing the kitchen sink at it and then having to one-up himself every year... it all just feels like it was written by an over-excited 14 year old. There are bits of series 3 I like, and probably most of series 4, but other than Moffat's stories, I find the first two series ugly, crude and patronisingly broad. The later series of The Sarah Jane Adventures felt more adult than the first two series of Who.I think series 5 and 6 did a lot to repair it, an emphasis on atmospheric stories and production, much more mystery and subtlety in the stories, a TARDIS team without any angst, a move away from the London-centric stories, universe-threatening finales that could be told with merely the main characters and some weird time phenomena... series 7 felt like a conscious attempt to be more like the RTD era and, if he'd know Smith was leaving, I think Moffat would have done it differently. Capaldi's first two series were a mess, just unnecessarily convoluted and boring at times, with Clara not helping, but with a lot of really good ideas in there. I absolutely love series 10, which is up there with 5 and 6 for me, and it's really sad we didn't get chance to have more 12 and Bill.
Quote from: Midas on May 03, 2021, 05:27:24 PMThe Clam ParadigmEven the best episodes of Doctor Who seem embarrassingly bad when heavily scrutinised. ;)
Quote from: Replies From View on May 03, 2021, 05:28:14 PMYes, I agree with all of this.At the time I found RTD's Who painful, and once Moffat was announced as the new showrunner I was just biding my time until he arrived. As Tennant regenerated I was thinking "yesssss!! fuck off fuck off fuck offf!!" until his self-pitying tearful face was finally replaced with Matt Smith.However, Chibnall has worked wonders to make me look back on RTD's era with fondness.
Quoteway back in Series 3 by RTD
Quote from: pigamus on May 03, 2021, 06:03:27 PMMust say I'm surprised you think that - I mean I know the RTD era had its ups and downs but it was massively fun to watch on the whole.
Quote from: daf on May 03, 2021, 02:43:08 PM- - - - - - - - - - - - -* (Just checked - 'Midnight', 'Planet of the Dead' & 'Waters of Mars' )
Quote from: Ambient Sheep on May 03, 2021, 06:30:38 PM"Midnight" and "Waters of Mars" are excellent, amongst the finest episodes he ever did."Planet of the Double-Decker Bus" is awful. Only "Voyage of the Damned" is worse, as I recall.
Quote from: Replies From View on May 03, 2021, 05:29:11 PMThere is a deep-rooted difference between poorly executed moments and a fundamentally uncomfortable show.
Quote from: Doctor WhoA mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a skirt that's just a little bit too tight.
Quote from: Replies From View on May 03, 2021, 06:17:53 PM you could just tell that everyone involved in making the show loved it. That's the thing - despite everything that I disliked at the time, it seemed to be a labour of love. This came across in all the side projects as well - all the interviews and behind the scenes stuff. Whereas for Chibnall and his team it instead all comes across as more like a chore.
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