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Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on May 07, 2022, 01:39:51 PMSpoiler alertI "love" that humanity fixed pollution and Global Warming in the 21st century with magic alien spores, instead of, oh I dunno, learning to take better care of the environment after First Contact.[close]
Quote from: Mobbd on May 09, 2022, 03:12:20 PMSorry, but can someone please explain to me the timeline ramification of ST:PIC so I don't have to fucking watch it?From what I understand, Q sent them to an alternate present. (The Confederation badness was not happening in the Prime timeline). Then, they went backwards in time within that alternate timeline to change it (making Picard and his crew the only people we know of to have yet travelled in both time and dimension other than Time Soldier Yor). So any changes they made re: the Borg is only in that alternate timeline to which Q sent them, right? Our Prime timeline is unaltered, yes? TNG-VOY all happened and have not been retconned?
Quote from: Mobbd on May 08, 2022, 11:37:53 PMLeaving Rios in the past is like leaving a surgical sponge in a patient's stomach.
Quote from: Alberon on May 08, 2022, 11:40:57 PMIt's farcical. Especially as he set out to make a difference once he stayed behind.
Quote from: Mobbd on May 09, 2022, 03:12:20 PM...Then, they went backwards in time within that alternate timeline to change it...
Quote from: Lemming on May 09, 2022, 04:43:10 PMAs best I can understand it:Picard was called out on a mission aboard Rios' ship because of his knowledge of Borg. The ship was seemingly attacked by a new BORG SUPERQUEEN. Q sent the gang to an altered future (but within the prime universe) in which Seven was the president of the Evil Federation.
Quote from: Lemming on May 09, 2022, 04:43:10 PMThey went back to 2024 to ensure that a woman called Renee Picard went on a spaceflight, which would save the future.
Quote from: Lemming on May 09, 2022, 04:43:10 PMDuring their batshit nonsense adventure, Rios fell in love and chose to stay behind, and Jurati merged with the Borg Queen to become the Good Queen.Cut back to the future where Picard realises the BORG SUPERQUEEN must be Jurati, and tells everyone to stand down. The SUPERQUEEN removes its mask to reveal Jurati, and says she's here to help. I'm not sure if there was an explanation as to what she'd been doing for the past few centuries, but apparently, this had no effect on anything, and TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY all played out as normal. Picard was still assimilated in BoBW (hence him still being called out on this mission for his Borg knowledge), and Seven of Nine had all her original Borg implants back (even though she'd already been given them back by Jurati, who had to give her her exact original implants back in order to heal a wound on her torso, for some reason).Picard meets with Whoopi-Guinan at the end and she teases him by pointing out that, when they met in episode one, she already knew about his upcoming adventure and put an old photograph of herself and Rios on the bar as a clue. Since Rios was apparently always in the past, and the Jurati SUPERQUEEN always existed, we're presumably dealing with a stable time loop (as I failed to get my head around in the Red Dwarf thread re: Stasis Leak). What exactly the Jurati SUPERQUEEN has actually been doing all this time, why we've never heard anything about her, and why she made no moves to stop the Bad Queen is a mystery, unless she too wanted to preserve the timeline by doing more or less nothing for 400 years.How this plays out from Guinan's perspective is the biggest mystery. She meets Picard in 2024 with no memory of who he is, then befriends Rios and lives on Earth with him for many years. This ensures the future in which Time's Arrow occurs, meaning that as soon as Renee goes into space, Picard (in the 24th Century) went to the 19th Century, which means Guinan should have the memories now. But she doesn't. Presumably, the memories of Time's Arrow just... pop into her head at some point, fully-formed. Reality changes around her and she just remembers both realities, or something.
Quote from: Alberon on May 09, 2022, 07:46:30 PMSo what is it?
Quote from: Mobbd on May 09, 2022, 07:14:14 PMI find myself caring about this stuff very, very little. Do you care as an actual viewer? Christ. None of it matters at all, does it?
Quote from: JamesTC on May 09, 2022, 11:44:01 PMDid they remove the Borg from the walls of the house? I mean, I know they didn't. I just find pondering the question funny.
Quote from: kalowski on May 10, 2022, 05:58:50 PMDidn't Agnes do loads of things in AI and Android technology? But if she's been Borg queen since 2024 I guess she didn't. Including anything she did in Picard S1.
Quote from: timebug on May 06, 2022, 09:34:44 AMI'll stick my head up over the parapet and say; I enjoyed it....for what it was! Aside from the virtually pointless Wil Wheaton scene,as a long time fan of most of the franchise, I just took it as a nice sci-fi romp. Okay, the real fans who remember every detail of previous 'Trek's will find fault. But I don't have that sort of eidetic memory, so I just sat back and enjoyed it.
Quote from: timebug on May 06, 2022, 09:34:44 AMOkay, the real fans who remember every detail of previous 'Trek's will find fault. But I don't have that sort of eidetic memory, so I just sat back and enjoyed it.
Quote from: Mobbd on May 06, 2022, 10:35:10 AMI know supernerds like to nitpick (all part of the fun of watching Star Trek in my opinion but I can see why it annoys a lot of people) but DIS and PIC are so disrespectful to canon that it's a real struggle to see them as compatible at all. No need for an eidetic memory to feel that way imho.
QuoteSo far in Star Trek, inconsistencies mostly came to pass because of negligence, lacking time or limited budget. Aside from the Klingon metamorphosis between TOS and TMP, almost nothing was ever altered with the explicit idea that it is more than a visual update. For instance, the Klingon K't'inga class in the same movie is essentially a more detailed version of the D7 from TOS, with only slightly changed dimensions. In Discovery, a lot of work and money was invested in a new look that definitely isn't radically different by accident.
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