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THings you find hauntological that no one else does

Started by George White, June 29, 2022, 11:01:17 PM

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H-O-W-L

Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 30, 2022, 08:32:30 AMI don't know if this counts, but a while ago I saw Paradise Lost: The Robin Hood Hills Murders (documentary about three murdered little boys and the subsequent stitch-up of three teenagers by the police) and Pure Fucking Mayhem (about the band Mayhem and wider Norwegian black metal scene) and... have you ever associated a feeling with a decade? For a long time I've had a sense that the 90s were gaudy colours and The Simpsons on the surface, but underneath there's something unhealthy and rotting. Probably because I became a teenager in the 90s and started to clue into all the horror in the world generally.

I was born in the nineties so they were definitely rotten and horrid and fetid and dull.

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Glebe on July 01, 2022, 12:44:22 AMBuy it here!

I forget to check when I ordered my copy, but you might be able to get a discount code from the Scarred for Life Twitter, TP!

Thank you Glebe just ordered the 80s one for my sisters xmas present this year - she will absolutely love it (got 15% off as well nice!)

Quote from: H-O-W-L on July 01, 2022, 05:06:53 AMI was born in the nineties so they were definitely rotten and horrid and fetid and dull.

I sometimes equate the 90s, particularly around 94-96 as the happiest time of my childhood, but all this idyllic stuff was occasionally mixed that decade by reading in the papers about dark stories like Dunblane and Columbine, or discovering bodies in Fred West's garden. This was often in the tabloids we got at home, so unlike the usual silly stories, Page 3, and Mystic Meg you'd get the first ten pages or so of horrible stuff.

Glebe

Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 01, 2022, 06:48:17 AMThank you Glebe just ordered the 80s one for my sisters xmas present this year - she will absolutely love it (got 15% off as well nice!)

*thumbs up!*

touchingcloth

Little plastic doodads with metal prongs you used to find on the ground of unknown origin and with unclear purpose. Looked a bit like this


Icehaven


dissolute ocelot

Quote from: Icehaven on July 01, 2022, 07:39:10 AMSome kind of fuse?
Yeah, looks like a fuse from a car. I'm sure in the olden days people were always replacing fuses in things, while today it's much rarer (unless your electrics are fucked).

Norton Canes


Brundle-Fly

A mislaid glove left on some railings*.




*no need to post a clip of the LoG's sight gag. Thanks in advance.

JesusAndYourBush

Quote from: touchingcloth on July 01, 2022, 07:28:51 AMLittle plastic doodads with metal prongs you used to find on the ground of unknown origin and with unclear purpose. Looked a bit like this



The starter for a fluorescent tube?


touchingcloth

Quote from: JesusAndYourBush on July 01, 2022, 07:00:03 PMThe starter for a fluorescent tube?



Nope, they're flat. The image I drew is about the size of a 20p coin, and the things are about 5mm thick if that. The "prongs" are flat rather than round.

Icehaven

Quote from: dissolute ocelot on July 01, 2022, 11:38:22 AMYeah, looks like a fuse from a car. I'm sure in the olden days people were always replacing fuses in things, while today it's much rarer (unless your electrics are fucked).

Mr. Haven's previous motorbike had fuses that looked exactly like that, which is what made me think that's what they were.
Will future generations attach such nostalgia to nitrous oxide canisters?

JesusAndYourBush

Quote from: touchingcloth on July 01, 2022, 08:40:02 PMNope, they're flat. The image I drew is about the size of a 20p coin, and the things are about 5mm thick if that. The "prongs" are flat rather than round.

Ah, sounds similar to the discarded things I've seen after a BT guy has been rummaging in the big box full of wires at the end of the street.

Zero Gravitas



I don't think I've replaced any type of fuse in my entire adult life.

What a wasted science lesson that was!

touchingcloth

Quote from: Icehaven on July 01, 2022, 07:39:10 AMSome kind of fuse?

I've only just seen this post, but searching "car fuse" gave me this from Ali Express:



Which is exactly what I had in mind.


thenoise

Early internet, the homemade static html, 'under construction' clip art, gifs etc. The Space Jam website, for starters. I never even saw Space Jam.

Talking of channel 5, proto-porn of the late night channel 4 (and, later, channel 5) variety. Or grainy screen grabs from arthouse films on the likes of Robbs celebs courtesy of the wayback machine.

touchingcloth


Sebastian Cobb

what was that one which was a date and was grainy film photos of a ufo like thing?

McDead

Quote from: dr beat on June 30, 2022, 08:13:48 PMGrowing up in Widnes in the 80s, the logo of Imperial Chemical Industries was literally everywhere, staring at you in the supermarket, at garages and from the front of rugby shirts, like a sinister all-seeing (IC) eye:





Absolutely, yes. A sombre logo, bordering on the funereal.

Similarly


And this fella


And if you grew up in Camborne in the eighties, you'll remember the red brick carbuncle of the CompAir building casting its shadow over the whole town. I suppose that in a sense is what hauntology is; not the thing, but the shadow of the thing.


Mister Six

Quote from: buttgammon on June 29, 2022, 11:52:14 PMYour Derrida book is presumably from this school of design



Took a copy of this out of the library once. It was so ugly, I had to keep it hidden away from sight.

YEAHHHH. That early 90s faux art deco font, the sole photo on a mostly single-colour background with a different coloured vertical swipe down one side. Been looking around secondhand bookshops a lot recently and seen tons of this sort of thing, though usually in dingy pastel greens/pinks/beiges.

While we're talking 90s, what about album covers that are stylised photos of 3D props, like a kind of low-rent, grungier but more colourful Dave McKean? This sort of thing...



Not hauntological, I suppose, but gives a vague tingle of times lost.

Mister Six

Quote from: Alberon on June 30, 2022, 09:37:40 AMI'm not sure you can get proper hauntalogical beyond the early eighties at the latest. TV is generally too professional to do it anymore so it seems unlikely it will be a thing for future generations and anyone who didn't experience it as a kid (as Chip says) in the 70s won't feel it now.

Gonna offer a minor defence for those of us growing up in the early-to-mid, even late 80s - past the weird nu-pagan revival vibes that were swirling around in the 70s, I guess, but still catching the tail end of the wonky, not-sure-what-we're-doing TV era, and having repeats of the high hauntology days and snippets of weird Eastern-European animation and what not inflicted on us at unexpected moments.

Plus, of course, all those public information films and odd, muted-looking, mildly faded and faintly whiffy books in the schools. Nicotine-stained orange murk in the smoking rooms at the working men's club. The damp, musty corduroy stink of the 70s still lingered.

George White

I think there is a particular hauntological unease about old British TV set in the US but not shot there. Either grainy docudramas shot entirely on film to capture the essence of America (The Billion Dollar Bubble, the Shane Rimmer bits of Alternative 3, and the Rothko Conspiracy)
or stuff shot on bright PAL VT but set in the good aul States like Olivier/Granada's Cat on a Hot Tin Roof  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcabzKAQ94&t=191s
or A Talent for Murder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCI8nhlLlg

(Oh god, the Rothko Conspiracy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qddcgLolAI especially with all the added video interference)

buttgammon

Quote from: Mister Six on July 02, 2022, 04:38:52 AMYEAHHHH. That early 90s faux art deco font, the sole photo on a mostly single-colour background with a different coloured vertical swipe down one side. Been looking around secondhand bookshops a lot recently and seen tons of this sort of thing, though usually in dingy pastel greens/pinks/beiges.

A similar type of design that I can't stand is exemplified by this cover



I got a copy for something like 50p secondhand and have had to put it on a hidden shelf because it's so unpleasant to look at.


Quote from: Mister Six on July 02, 2022, 04:38:52 AMWhile we're talking 90s, what about album covers that are stylised photos of 3D props, like a kind of low-rent, grungier but more colourful Dave McKean? This sort of thing...


album covers that are a tinted vintage photo of a circus performer or something vaguely diane arbus-y with a kid or fat person, and the title of the album over the top

although thats less "hauntological", more just "bad" and I'm glad people stopped doing it after iTunes

Captain Z

Others probably would find this hauntological, but the animated "The Video Collection" logo from 80/90s VHS tapes:


George White

Always struck me something particularly owlish about the PYE logo.
ALmost a face spying on the nation.

A lot of people find ITV idents hauntological, don't they?
THe ATV logo being an all-seeing eye (and parent of PYE).


Quote from: Captain Z on July 02, 2022, 01:28:02 PMOthers probably would find this hauntological, but the animated "The Video Collection" logo from 80/90s VHS tapes:


Similar feelings from the old BBC Sport idents from the 90s.


Dyl Spinks

Neil Young's song Sample and Hold is tremendously hauntological, for me.

An early 80s vision of a future that didn't quite arrive. It's kinda Buck Rogers-y. It's really hypnotic and dark:

https://youtu.be/8_joC1jgTvQ