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Involuntarily Celibate rebranding

Started by bgmnts, June 30, 2022, 11:09:25 AM

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Dickie_Anders

The guy strikes me as one of those cunts who's really into tarot cards and the """mystical""", and his interest in Christianity is an extension of that. I remember him and Russell Brand geeking out over some esoteric idea of the "four quadrants of morality" or something ludicrous like that, and how it echoes in our pop culture, "like the houses in Harry Potter". He likes talking about myths and Disney films and the deep intrinsic meanings they have. In my personal view I've never felt that he has deep-seated religious belief. Whenever he talks about Christianity it's never with the piety and love for Jesus you see with a lot of Christians, it's always in the context of esoteric metaphors.

It also neatly aligns him with a specific demographic of Americans who make up most of his audience. The ones who, as previously said, use Christianity as a symbol in their embarrassing "culture war". Peterson knows what he's doing

TrenterPercenter

Of course he does, the fact he has a Messiah complex doesn't really change anything.

touchingcloth

Quote from: QDRPHNC on July 02, 2022, 11:14:00 PMMight do. How far is your rasmus from your T-zone?

It's tilted gonially to my elbow.

Video Game Fan 2000

i liked the rumour that he'd been mentally checked out since the apple juice incident and its been his daughter pulling the strings ever since, so he's swung from messianic guru to pure pundit.

probably untrue but its would be satisfying if Mr Masculine Responsibility ended up as the soulless glasseyed puppet of an influencer shilling a diet. either way he's not publishing serious work on meaning or interpretation ever again, and i bet that burns up him so much. his reputation is gone. zizek could shit on lecturn and he'd still get a hundred citation per second, people posting LMAO on twitter and still getting papers published, but Kermit Lobsters in his respectable suit is a worldwide joke. the gervaisian nightmare of being trapped working for an audience he feels nothing but contempt for, one self help book for compulsive masturbators every three years and thats yer lot.

Shaky

I've been through massive sex-droughts before my current Fuck God status, and even at my lowest never in a million years would I have wanted to chat to a load of other blokes in the same situation while tossing labels around and pouring through the details of what we think we're not getting in life (sex-wise). The idea just boggles my mind. Go out, do other things you love, see a therapist, build your self-worth because no good will ever come out of such a group. It cements self-imposed victim status, and from that you'll always get someone nursing resentment and hatred.

The above is best read in the voice of Yoda.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

I think the point of any kind of support group for these people would be to steer them away from that sort of negativity. To tell them that they can find someone, but there's no shame in being alone either.

Obviously, any of them that don't take this message onboard should be taken out back and shot.

Dickie_Anders

Some people are genuinely anti-social and genuinely don't enjoy or feel comfortable having intimate relationships with others. They aren't cut out for it, but they feel like they have to be because "everyone else is". I'm willing to bet a lot of these incel types are guys who aren't really that interested in other people or even sex, but the social pressure has got to them.

The solution is to not give a fuck and browse internet forums all day.... my friend told me.

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Dickie_Anders on July 03, 2022, 04:46:27 PMthese incel types are guys who aren't really that interested in other people or even sex, but the social pressure has got to them.

But if you read the stuff that people self identifying themselves as incels say then it is all about sex, Chads and the fact women are purposely denying them sex.  It approximates great replacement theory levels of thought were beta males are being bred out.  There are also shit loads of memes that they use to communicate it.

If we are talking about lonely people that are really not bothered about sex or relationships then, I dare say these groups already exist (asexuals) and there would be no need to rebrand incels as this is a fundamentally different thing.

Dickie_Anders

I see what you mean, but I think the people I'm referring to (which probably don't represent all "incels", just quite a few of them) do feel sexual attraction, but in terms of what interests them they've never been so keen on the prospect of having a girlfriend that they went out of their way to pursue it. They're antisocial and don't really see that much value in having sex. But they feel this outside pressure to be in relationships and have sex, which causes them to either wallow in self-pity or lash out. It seems so easy to others, but not them. But if they actually stop to look at things objectively, they were always much more interested in watching the latest Studio Gainax project than actually going out and socialising.


Catalogue Trousers


Johnny Yesno

Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 03, 2022, 05:50:22 PMhttps://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1542802867861463042?s=24

Back to Peterson for a minute

Similar to Dominic Cummings saying 'If you think I'm smart, you don't know any smart people'.


Video Game Fan 2000

#193
in 2040 when Petersons actual audience is two men and a wanking dog, he'll still be a fixation for dozens of twitter accounts "you'll never believe what jordan peterson said this time, i know i said he was stupid before but this time he's really stupid"

i think itll be considered emblematic of the times that liberals and lefties were fixated on him for years after his star faded to being just another podcaster, because he's so easy to "dunk" on and easy to make yourself look smart next to, rather than more influential conservatives in similar fields and institutions who arent so over the top ridiculous. its a bad impulse but as long as reactionaries appeal to it, they'll always able to keep themselves visible.

as always, I'm extremely skeptical that he has such a broad and devoted audience. his podcast is popular but his official youtube channel gets about the same traffic of a moderately successful game or movie review channel. there are still atheist and debunkers that do better numbers than him. his last book was just an update to his self help cash-in. not great for the supposedly most influential public intellectual since the 1950s.

Dickie_Anders

I've watched some of his more recent videos and he really does seem to have lost the plot. I don't remember him being this crazed. Previously he would at least seem to be libertarian, pro people being free to do what they want even if he was personally conservative etc. This was his salient point on Gay Pride month: "Ya know, PRIDE used to be considered a sin!!!!". What a spanner

Legalise prostitution and put money into girlfriend robots

simple

thenoise

Quote from: Dickie_Anders on July 05, 2022, 08:41:29 PM"Ya know, PRIDE used to be considered a sin!!!!"

And gay used to mean happy and rainbows used to mean some noah's ark shit. Congratulations on being old Jordan Peterschild as we will probably be forced to call him you couldn't make it up!!@

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Dickie_Anders on July 05, 2022, 08:41:29 PMI've watched some of his more recent videos and he really does seem to have lost the plot. I don't remember him being this crazed. Previously he would at least seem to be libertarian, pro people being free to do what they want even if he was personally conservative etc. This was his salient point on Gay Pride month: "Ya know, PRIDE used to be considered a sin!!!!". What a spanner


He was was always crazed just people were not paying enough attention.  He concocted an "smouldering intellect" for the mainstream cameras but he was always raging evangelically off them.

willbo

Quote from: Dickie_Anders on July 05, 2022, 08:41:29 PMI've watched some of his more recent videos and he really does seem to have lost the plot. I don't remember him being this crazed. Previously he would at least seem to be libertarian, pro people being free to do what they want even if he was personally conservative etc. This was his salient point on Gay Pride month: "Ya know, PRIDE used to be considered a sin!!!!". What a spanner

yeah, he used to say he was pro trans and just didn't like "they" pronouns, now he's full on anti-trans, bizarre how openly and bog-standardly "anti SJW" he's become, it's a persona that 5 years ago I would have thought he was too nuanced for.