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Why are the anti-vaxx/anti-mask/covid deniers still so furious?

Started by George Oscar Bluth II, September 28, 2021, 09:23:50 AM

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George Oscar Bluth II

I touched on this in the thread about 'The Light' the bullshit covid denialist propaganda and it's continuing to bother me.

In England there are no covid vaccination passports, masks are voluntary even where they're supposedly mandatory and everything is open. Although some people are taking precautions still, you are free to live your life however you like.

And yet they're all steaming with rage still. There have been more anti-lockdown protests since lockdown ended than there were during, the internet is still a sewer, 'The Light' is apparently still being distributed, the bullshit stickers are still going up and even today Daily Telegraph cartoonist Bob Moran quote tweeted some doctor saying "she deserves to be verbally abused in public for the rest of her worthless existence."[nb]A man who does cartoons for the Daily Telegraph calling a doctor worthless, very cool![/nb]

Meanwhile among normal people we've all moved on. I'm still taking precautions but I don't think I've talked about the pandemic to anyone face to face in a month or so, we've all just slipped back into whatever bullshit we did before.

So what's going on? Why won't the people who claim to hate the pandemic so much let go? Why can't they accept that they won?

buttgammon

I think a big part of this is the belief angry bigots have that other people shouldn't exist and that they have the right to spend their whole life insulated from the slightest challenge to their beliefs. It's sheer misanthropy.

Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse

A lot of this is being directed/stoked from outside, either by political rightwingers looking for a recruitment tool or capitalists who want people back out working and spending money. Banging on about people's "rights". It suits the capitalists to push the idea that people should make their own choices about protecting themselves (because then they can turn it around and say it was your responsibility not to get sick, so fuck you now). There's no end of fringe groups who are invested in weaponising and stoking distrust of the government, any government, among the general public in the hopes of converting that distrust into votes.

steveh

Also get the feeling they have a sense of shared community from talking online and having protest meetups together which they don't want to end even though everyone else has moved on.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

I'm no psychologist and I don't wish to stigmatise mental illness, but I think many of these people are just broken inside. For whatever reason, be it nature or nurture, they are filled with anger and, since no one likes to think that there is something wrong with themselves, they will latch onto anything they can find to explain it. It doesn't matter if it's rational or not, so long as it gives them a reason to vent.

QDRPHNC


jobotic

They're far-right and they enjoy being hateful.

And they're Johnson's useful idiots.

MojoJojo

Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 28, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
I'm no psychologist and I don't wish to stigmatise mental illness, but I think many of these people are just broken inside. For whatever reason, be it nature or nurture, they are filled with anger and, since no one likes to think that there is something wrong with themselves, they will latch onto anything they can find to explain it. It doesn't matter if it's rational or not, so long as it gives them a reason to vent.

I've been pondering it a bit and I wonder if it's an inevitable consequence of being online too much. The attachment to the physical world which we all share is too remote, the only consequence of anything being said is other people agreeing or disagreeing with it, so communities can detach themselves from the physical world that traditionally we've all shared.

I dunno, I think I'm just saying stuff that's been said before, but I feel I understand it better now.

It's interesting looking at some conservative coverage of the Arizona audit. There's some goalpost shifting - the votes weren't fraudulent, but it's not a proper election unless people vote in person type stuff and some out right audit was faked bollocks. But there are definitely some comments along the lines of "Huh, conservative news sources have been lying to me" which vaguely heartening to see.

chveik

Quote from: jobotic on September 28, 2021, 03:40:06 PM
They're far-right and they enjoy being hateful.

that would make things easier to analyse but i'm afraid there are also leftists in the anti-vaxx camp

jobotic

Quote from: chveik on September 28, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
that would make things easier to analyse but i'm afraid there are also leftists in the anti-vaxx camp

Quote from: jobotic on September 28, 2021, 03:40:06 PM
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And they're Johnson's useful idiots.

You're right of course. I've argued with some of them. Pricks that are "disappointed" in my ICU Nurse and socialist friend who encourages people to get vaccinated.

gilbertharding

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on September 28, 2021, 09:23:50 AM
Why won't the people who claim to hate the pandemic so much let go?

It's interesting - you probably didn't deliberately phrase it like that - but I think some of them believe the rest of us don't hate the pandemic as much as they do.

I suppose some people have made money, or even just gained work, but I doubt even those people don't wish it could be over.

Fambo Number Mive

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on September 28, 2021, 09:23:50 AM
'The Light' is apparently still being distributed, the bullshit stickers are still going up and even today Daily Telegraph cartoonist Bob Moran quote tweeted some doctor saying "she deserves to be verbally abused in public for the rest of her worthless existence."[nb]A man who does cartoons for the Daily Telegraph calling a doctor worthless, very cool![/nb]

I do hope everyone reports Bob for doing that on Twitter. Would such a tweet be seen as incitement by the police? Not usually in favour of reporting tweets to the police but the last thing we need is idiots being encouraged to verbally abuse a doctor.

jamiefairlie

People don't like being reminded that they're being selfish cunts so they get angry at those who are reminding them.

George Oscar Bluth II

Quote from: gilbertharding on September 28, 2021, 05:49:10 PM
It's interesting - you probably didn't deliberately phrase it like that - but I think some of them believe the rest of us don't hate the pandemic as much as they do.

No I did word it like that deliberately, I think "claim to" is important because they're actually more obsessed with the pandemic than anyone is and probably, secretly, quite like it cos it gives them something to fight against, something be self righteous about. Probably there's also an element of having to double down to fit in with new friends they've made because their actual friends don't agree with them and won't talk to them anymore?

Quote from: chveik on September 28, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
that would make things easier to analyse but i'm afraid there are also leftists in the anti-vaxx camp

Certainly I think these people's pre-pandemic beliefs run the full gamut but I bet they'll end up on the far right.

Fambo Number Mive

It's surprising how many stickers are still up there untouched. Is it worth reporting them to the local council or will they not have the funding to do anything? Loads up near Hanwell today and someone had written some lies about the vaccine on one of the bus stops (can't remember which bus stop or whereabout near Hanwell).

Zetetic


Kankurette

Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 28, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
I'm no psychologist and I don't wish to stigmatise mental illness, but I think many of these people are just broken inside. For whatever reason, be it nature or nurture, they are filled with anger and, since no one likes to think that there is something wrong with themselves, they will latch onto anything they can find to explain it. It doesn't matter if it's rational or not, so long as it gives them a reason to vent.
How do you explain people who aren't mentally ill? Like some of the fuckwit celebrities?

George Oscar Bluth II

Quote from: Zetetic on September 28, 2021, 06:44:39 PM
Buy different stickers, put them on top.

I have a nice black marker pen in my bag which I've been using to scribble all over them.

Kankurette


Icehaven

It'll be interesting to see what these fucking peons have to say for themselves in a few years when it remains apparent that everyone who's been vaccinated isn't under mind control or had their DNA altered or is part of some experiment or whatever their dipshit objections are. They'll still double down of course and say it just hasn't happened yet but at what point will they finally admit they were wrong? Yes I know it's never.

jobotic


Brundle-Fly

It's not just a right wing thing. I see all kinds of paranoid dog-in-a red-neckerchief anarchist Covid hoax graffiti in my manor.

pigamus

The one that really made my heart sink, on a bus stop near me - it says, "The BBC are lying to you". Oh God! You got half way there, mate, you really did!

jobotic

Quote from: Brundle-Fly on September 28, 2021, 09:51:06 PM
It's not just a right wing thing. I see all kinds of paranoid dog-in-a red-neckerchief anarchist Covid hoax graffiti in my manor.

No but the White Rose sticker ones are, and the ones that shout abuse at doctors and nurses, or people not wearing masks on trains.

olliebean

Quote from: Kankurette on September 28, 2021, 07:14:29 PM
How do you explain people who aren't mentally ill? Like some of the fuckwit celebrities?

Why would you assume celebrities aren't mentally ill?

flotemysost

Quote from: Zetetic on September 28, 2021, 06:44:39 PM
Buy different stickers, put them on top.

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on September 28, 2021, 07:15:56 PM
I have a nice black marker pen in my bag which I've been using to scribble all over them.

Both of these are visibly happening round my way (where pretty much every traffic light/lamppost/bus stop is groaning with White Rose bollocks). As mentioned in other threads, I've been writing/drawing the most childish of ripostes on any blank space when I can, which isn't going to save anyone but is fleetingly gratifying. Nice to see that some others have been doing the same.

Of course ultimately it seems like they want to rile people up and they're probably gleefully reveling in having triggered a load of bluepilled sheeple cuckflakes (hence the utterly stupid and highly ironic "I have thousands more stickers, Karen" stickers I spotted a while back).

RicoMNKN

Quote from: MojoJojo on September 28, 2021, 03:51:59 PM
I've been pondering it a bit and I wonder if it's an inevitable consequence of being online too much. The attachment to the physical world which we all share is too remote, the only consequence of anything being said is other people agreeing or disagreeing with it, so communities can detach themselves from the physical world that traditionally we've all shared.

I think online too much is true, but it's mostly another example of social media pushing users into cult-like behaviour.
This stuff will isolate them from real friends but it's alright because their online 'friends' are there for them with their own research.

In most cases, it probably just started with them being understandably scared and finding a lie comforting.

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: jobotic on September 28, 2021, 09:57:22 PM
No but the White Rose sticker ones are, and the ones that shout abuse at doctors and nurses, or people not wearing masks on trains.

I live in Islington and saturated with this Piers Corbyn paranoid crap.

Kankurette