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Title: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: turnstyle on June 15, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
Said nobody, ever. Right?

Any bands/acts whose later stuff you think is better than what is generally considered their 'peak'?

For me Sonic Youth's Murray Street/Sonic Nurse/Rather Ripped trio of albums at the tale end of their career are as good/better than anything else in their library.

I'm also a fan of the free form, scat poetry-jazz approach that S-Club Juniors took with their final album.
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Post by: Seedsy on June 15, 2021, 05:24:04 PM
The Beatles
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Post by: purlieu on June 15, 2021, 06:30:05 PM
No Richey-era Manics album would make it into my Top 5 Manics Albums list.

Chronologically, the first Therapy? album I own is Semi-Detached.

I can't stand pre-Dukes XTC, other than the odd song.

Not quite the same, but I think Underworld's '98-'07 material is as strong as their two 'classic' albums, and Drift is possibly their best work to date.

Definitely looking forward to the replies to this.
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Post by: markburgle on June 15, 2021, 06:36:07 PM
Not later but mid-period Fall is my fave stuff of theirs. The 95-98 period has this whole chaotic, desperate disintegration going on that makes it more compelling to me than when they were firing on all cylinders. The creative successes feel more special.

The first Motorhead album I tried was The World is Yours from 2010. I thought it was great, but when I tried listening to earlier stuff I was hearing a lot of the same ideas only with worse production. Anyone following them from the start probably found that record formulaic but to me it's their best stuff.

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Post by: JaDanketies on June 15, 2021, 06:39:04 PM
Carcass, I think their melo-death stuff is better than their Grind stuff.

There are probably a fair few people out there who think that Opeth's later stuff is better than their earlier stuff. I know there are people who think this about Alcest. (All are wrong). Around the time Opeth released Deliverance and Damnation, I might've said that this was much better than their earlier stuff, but now my favourite album is their first one, with a drop in quality, then a rise, and then a big drop.

Mac Miller, I think was still on an upwards trajectory when he fentanyled out of this world, and his last album and posthumous album are better than his previous work. Perhaps there are a lot of artists who are viewed as having an upwards trajectory? I know when SOPHIE died the papers said her best album hadn't yet been written. Maybe people are kinder to your latter-day music and view your work as continually improving - if you die at a young age.

I don't know Therapy? well enough to tell you when they peaked, but I do know that I've got the Infernal Love album in my car and it's a banger.
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Post by: Kankurette on June 15, 2021, 06:41:42 PM
As much as I love Little Earthquakes, From the Choirgirl Hotel is my favourite Tori Amos album.
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Post by: purlieu on June 15, 2021, 06:47:02 PM
I don't know Therapy? well enough to tell you when they peaked, but I do know that I've got the Infernal Love album in my car and it's a banger.
Troublegum is the peak, commercially, critically and fan-wise, and it's got a few good pop-punk tunes on it but on the whole isn't my thing at all. Infernal Love is slightly more up my street, but it's the oddness of Semi-Detached's heavier stuff, and then later albums Suicide Pact - You First, Never Apologise Never Explain, and especially the one-two of Crooked Timber and A Brief Crack of Light that really appeals to me. They're actually the polar opposite of the other two bands I mentioned, in that I prefer them the less poppy they are. Possibly because I don't really like Andy Cairns's pop songs very much.
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Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 15, 2021, 06:47:25 PM
My favourite MBV record is MBV and its not close.
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Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on June 15, 2021, 06:54:29 PM
cocteau twins. sun ra's earliest work is pretty jazz by numbers. captain beefheart? jon hassell? reasonable case to be made about tangerine dream's cheesier shift in direction in the 80s

Not later but mid-period Fall is my fave stuff of theirs. The 95-98 period has this whole chaotic, desperate disintegration going on that makes it more compelling to me than when they were firing on all cylinders. The creative successes feel more special.

fucking levitate is amazing. absolutely broken, loveable piece of wonk
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: JaDanketies on June 15, 2021, 06:55:57 PM
Semi-Detached

Yeah it appears that it was Semi-Detached that I first listened to. I remember having Church of Noise as part of one of those cassette tapes with all my favourite songs on that every kid needed to have in the days of the Walkman. I used to buy pirated CDs from a guy called Mark the Twat in Manchester back then, so it was easy to not know what the title of the album was.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on June 15, 2021, 07:19:45 PM

There's a case to be made that Scott Walker's later stuff (Tilt, The Drift, Bisch Bosh and the Sunn o))) collaboration) is better than his earlier stuff. I love it all equally.

I recall comedian, podcaster and noted Sparks fan Michael Legge saying of Russ and Ron that he prefers their 21st Century stuff over their 20th Century output.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 15, 2021, 07:33:19 PM
Depends on how you define later stuff. The post-Pendleton shirts, T Birds and surfboards era Beach Boys?
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on June 15, 2021, 08:00:44 PM
Captain Beefheart
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Post by: Dusty Substance on June 15, 2021, 08:19:35 PM

An obvious one - Johnny Cash. His late period stuff from 1994 to his death in 2003, is vastly better than anything else he ever did.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 15, 2021, 08:30:28 PM
Mid period Teenage Fanclub, Thirteen/ Grand Prix up to Howdy, is peak fanny.

Whilst I still really love Up For A Bit, The Pastels have improved on every subsequent album (Sittin' Pretty aside).

Give me the more bucolic, laid back Gorkys stuff from Barafundle onwards over the wackier teenage stuff any day.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 15, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
An obvious one - Johnny Cash. His late period stuff from 1994 to his death in 2003, is vastly better than anything else he ever did.

I think the two prison albums are really great, patchy but so are the American albums.
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Post by: gilbertharding on June 15, 2021, 09:00:07 PM
For me Sonic Youth's Murray Street/Sonic Nurse/Rather Ripped trio of albums at the tale end of their career are as good/better than anything else in their library.


Certainly in 1993 I would have said I thought Sonic Youth's later stuff was superior to the early albums.  I was a big fan. I kind of lost interest after that, although I have some of the *actual* later stuff too...
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: non capisco on June 15, 2021, 09:09:14 PM
I can't stand pre-Dukes XTC, other than the odd song.

They are a classic example of a band whose sound changed beyond recognition over the years and absolutely ripe for this thread's theme. I love most of their albums and eras but I can completely see why someone who's swooned over the bruised, orchestral romance of Apple Venus could then listen to White Music or Go 2 and think "What the fuck is this jerky bollocks and why is he singing like a sea lion?"
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Post by: Shameless Custard on June 15, 2021, 10:01:35 PM
Pulp, surely? Half a career of "this is alright", half of "fuck yeah!"

I knew someone once who genuinely considered the post Roger Waters years to be far superior than when he was in Floyd. Still, this was a bloke who put 4 teaspoons of instant coffee in every cup
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Post by: Noodle Lizard on June 15, 2021, 10:08:10 PM
I’d think a great deal of younger Swans fans probably don’t have much time for the likes of Filth or Cop. Their 2010s streak is certainly their most critically successful.
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Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 15, 2021, 10:11:19 PM
The Ex
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Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on June 15, 2021, 10:13:29 PM
The Ex

this
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
Licenced to Ill: dogshit rhymes over dogshit guitar and dogshit 808 beats
Ill Communication: Musical polymaths
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: jobotic on June 15, 2021, 10:22:37 PM
I can't think of anyone at all. I think this reflects badly on me.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: purlieu on June 15, 2021, 10:24:14 PM
Pulp, surely? Half a career of "this is alright", half of "fuck yeah!"
But the early stuff doesn't fall into the category of "generally considered their peak", surely?
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: sevendaughters on June 15, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Fugazi got better slower and more melodic
Hood got better when they admitted hip-hop was better than lo-fi noise
Camberwell Now were better than This Heat
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Post by: non capisco on June 15, 2021, 10:31:34 PM
Fugazi got better slower and more melodic

Yeah, now you mention it I think song for song The Argument might well be my favourite Fugazi album. Not a second of filler on the thing.
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Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 15, 2021, 10:33:07 PM
Camberwell Now were better than This Heat

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Post by: sevendaughters on June 15, 2021, 10:38:31 PM
both were better than Lifetones (who I like!)
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Post by: Smeraldina Rima on June 15, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
My favourite Lagwagon album is Blaze, which at the time - 2003 when I was 17 - seemed a long time after albums I'd listened to as classic older albums: Duh, 1992, Trashed, 1994, Hoss, 1995, Double Plaidinum, 1997, and Let's Talk About Feelings, 1998. It had a song about how old they were called "Falling Apart" but they'd only been away for five years.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on June 15, 2021, 10:42:22 PM
They are a classic example of a band whose sound changed beyond recognition over the years and absolutely ripe for this thread's theme. I love most of their albums and eras but I can completely see why someone who's swooned over the bruised, orchestral romance of Apple Venus could then listen to White Music or Go 2 and think "What the fuck is this jerky bollocks and why is he singing like a sea lion?"

Polar opposite for me

Why did these neurotic lunatics get their perscriptions fixed and start making songs that sound like last of the summer wine theme with words on? Apart from river of orchids that's ace
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Post by: chveik on June 15, 2021, 10:46:44 PM
The Ex

not really. 1983-1987 was already a great period for them. they've been pretty consistent
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: purlieu on June 15, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
Polar opposite for me

Why did these neurotic lunatics get their perscriptions fixed and start making songs that sound like last of the summer wine theme with words on? Apart from river of orchids that's ace
Starting with English Settlement, I definitely find a few XTC songs I like, but it's still only two or three per album. I'm just a sucker for lush arrangements and properly gorgeous pop songs over choppy, yelpy stuff. I get no emotional response from the first three albums at all.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: jobotic on June 15, 2021, 10:49:19 PM
Got one. James Leyland Kirby. Loved the V/Vm stuff at the time but it has nothing on The Caretaker/Leyland Kirby releases.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Thomas on June 15, 2021, 10:52:02 PM
I'm sure there are those who feel this way about The Beatles or Nick Cave, and there must be people who prefer Blackstar to any of Bowie's '70s stuff. I've a friend who hates classic Bowie, but would certainly concede that there's a strength of intimacy and experimentation on that final record.
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Post by: chveik on June 15, 2021, 10:53:27 PM
there must be people who prefer Blackstar to any of Bowie's '70s stuff.

weirdos. Blackstar is terrible
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Post by: non capisco on June 15, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
Polar opposite for me

Why did these neurotic lunatics get their perscriptions fixed and start making songs that sound like last of the summer wine theme with words on? Apart from river of orchids that's ace

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I love the yelping fidgety years. But it is like two completely different bands.
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Post by: non capisco on June 15, 2021, 11:00:26 PM
Starting with English Settlement, I definitely find a few XTC songs I like, but it's still only two or three per album. I'm just a sucker for lush arrangements and properly gorgeous pop songs over choppy, yelpy stuff. I get no emotional response from the first three albums at all.

There's four before English Settlement including IMO their all time masterpiece Black Sea. I concede that Andy is at his most Andyish on stuff like 'Living Through Another Cuba' off that, though. I love that song but I was listening to it at work once with other people in the room and the thought did strike me that it sounds a bit like Colin Hunt worrying about a nuclear holocaust.
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Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 15, 2021, 11:00:36 PM
not really. 1983-1987 was already a great period for them. they've been pretty consistent

They were always good but when Andy joined they became a force.
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Post by: PlanktonSideburns on June 15, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
Jeff Buckley
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Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2021, 11:47:17 PM
Rush. yeah I'm always proverbially spinning Test for Echo over 2112.

well ok maybe not I'm not quite that biased but my favs these days still Grace Under Pressure and the stuff around it rather than 70s Ayn Rand rock stuff.
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Post by: buttgammon on June 15, 2021, 11:52:53 PM
Yeah, now you mention it I think song for song The Argument might well be my favourite Fugazi album. Not a second of filler on the thing.

Increasingly think this is right. I'm not so big on End Hits but otherwise, they got better as they went on.
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Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 16, 2021, 12:30:00 AM
There's some great ones but I think the songs let The Argument down, if we're ranking. I think it lacks the invention and the hooks of Red Medicine. The band is at their best though, the double drum tracks are superb - Ex Spectator!

I'd put it below the EPs and Red Medicine, about even with Repeater for me
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 16, 2021, 01:03:12 AM
weirdos. Blackstar is terrible

You are a terrible weirdo, young lady.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 16, 2021, 01:10:12 AM
There's four before English Settlement including IMO their all time masterpiece Black Sea. I concede that Andy is at his most Andyish on stuff like 'Living Through Another Cuba' off that, though. I love that song but I was listening to it at work once with other people in the room and the thought did strike me that it sounds a bit like Colin Hunt worrying about a nuclear holocaust.

Believe me, we were all Colin Hunts worrying about nuclear war forty years ago, no?
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Post by: Petey Pate on June 16, 2021, 01:18:45 AM
Don't think there's many, if any, Pantera fans who prefer their early hair metal albums.

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Post by: chveik on June 16, 2021, 01:20:47 AM
You are a terrible weirdo, young lady.

well that goes without saying
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Post by: sutin on June 16, 2021, 01:21:43 AM
Sparks. Lil' Beethoven from 2002 is their creative peak.
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Post by: purlieu on June 16, 2021, 01:24:56 AM
There's four before English Settlement including IMO their all time masterpiece Black Sea. I concede that Andy is at his most Andyish on stuff like 'Living Through Another Cuba' off that, though. I love that song but I was listening to it at work once with other people in the room and the thought did strike me that it sounds a bit like Colin Hunt worrying about a nuclear holocaust.
I'll have to revisit Black Sea one day, having read so much about it being their best, but I just remember finding it as unlistenable as the first three when I listened before. I mean, the only albums from the original '78-'82 post-punk era that I still own are all on the darker, gothy end of things (Siouxsie, Wire's first three, The Cure's dark trilogy, Simple Minds' Empires & Dance) so I'm clearly not remotely the kind of person those early XTC albums are aimed at. It's just a shame that the 1985-1992 run is some of my favourite music ever and there's more of them out there yet I really can't stand it.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 16, 2021, 02:38:20 AM
Golden brow…
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Post by: willbo on June 16, 2021, 03:40:53 PM
I probably prefer Iron Maiden's ambitious post-comeback/post-2000 albums now.

I can imagine a lot of people who would find Robert Plant's last couple of albums more interesting than Led Zep.

I really enjoyed Bruce Springsteen's Western Stars album despite him leaving me cold before.

I love the Jesus and Mary chain "grunge sell out era" stuff like Sidewalkin' (seriously Sidewalkin' sounds like some awesome cross between Nirvana, Motorhead and T-Rex to me)

I haven't heard that much Bob Dylan but I already know I prefer Blood on the Tracks, Desire and Nashville to his most famous 60s stuff.

I like the Slayer nu-metal era real fans are supposed to hate
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Post by: Z-Model Ford on June 16, 2021, 03:48:13 PM
Possibly a consequence of Kristin Hersh having her very own solo career, separate band (50 Foot Wave) and record label, so they only record together when they want to, but for me the latest Throwing Muses is easily the equal of The Real Ramona/University/Limbo. *

*I'm aware that some diehard fans will always love the debut above all other things, but that seems to exist in its own separate, frankly terrifying universe.
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Post by: Neville Chamberlain on June 16, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
I suppose one obvious choice here would be Talk Talk. Started out as a cut-above-the-rest synth-pop outfit before becoming off-the-map amazing on the final two albums (the seeds of which can definitely be heard on The Colour of Spring).
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Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 16, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
Sparks. Lil' Beethoven from 2002 is their creative peak.

Its my favourite too but it'd be tough to say I like any period of Sparks over any other.
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Post by: willbo on June 16, 2021, 04:02:02 PM
The first Motorhead album I tried was The World is Yours from 2010. I thought it was great, but when I tried listening to earlier stuff I was hearing a lot of the same ideas only with worse production. Anyone following them from the start probably found that record formulaic but to me it's their best stuff.

It happens pretty often for me that a respected metal/rock band that I've heard of but never listened to, releases a new album, I try it and love it, the reviews/fan reaction all say "this is average, this is just a rehash of the previous classic album", I try the previous classic album, and it just sounds like a duller, simpler, primitive version of the newer album I fell in love with.
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Post by: purlieu on June 16, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
There's a lot of people in this thread who haven't read the first post.
Any bands/acts whose later stuff you think is better than what is generally considered their 'peak'?
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Post by: Norton Canes on June 16, 2021, 04:13:04 PM
Kraftwerk, if we count 'formative' albums. Plus my favourite track of theirs is 'Vitamin' from Tour de France Soundtracks.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 16, 2021, 06:09:54 PM
<Tom Waits tiptoes into thread >
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 16, 2021, 06:15:04 PM
Polar opposite for me

Why did these neurotic lunatics get their perscriptions fixed and start making songs that sound like last of the summer wine theme with words on? Apart from river of orchids that's ace

A friend has a theory that the success of the first Dukes Of Stratosphear mini-LP emboldened them to embrace their sixties musical heroes and somewhere along the line they 'lost' the essence of XTC that was truer to themselves.
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Post by: PlanktonSideburns on June 16, 2021, 08:03:49 PM
A friend has a theory that the success of the first Dukes Of Stratosphear mini-LP emboldened them to embrace their sixties musical heroes and somewhere along the line they 'lost' the essence of XTC that was truer to themselves.

I'm feel like theyre both very true sounding to me, people have different sides, people change.

Sometimes they change into tedious folky cunts
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Post by: the science eel on June 16, 2021, 08:38:33 PM
weirdos. Blackstar is terrible

thank you
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Post by: idunnosomename on June 16, 2021, 09:49:50 PM
Saxon's more Germanic power-metal CD-era/current stuff over their initial NWoBHM classics
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Post by: SteveDave on June 16, 2021, 09:57:13 PM
The last Arctic Monkeys LP is my favourite of all of their albums and I truly hope they continue in that vein for a bit.
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Post by: The Mollusk on June 16, 2021, 11:21:05 PM
The last Arctic Monkeys LP is my favourite of all of their albums and I truly hope they continue in that vein for a bit.

I can’t fully agree, since I think their second and third albums are their best, but I do love TBH+C a lot, and in the vein of the thread’s OP you’d be dead right in saying it’s better than what a lot of people would say is their peak, which is the first album, which I personally think is the only one that hasn’t aged too well.

Fuck that’s a big old poorly written sentence isn’t it? Bed time for me, it’s too balmy tonight.
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Post by: sutin on June 17, 2021, 04:23:00 AM
Its my favourite too but it'd be tough to say I like any period of Sparks over any other.

It's not my overall favourite but I do believe it's their masterpiece.
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Post by: sutin on June 17, 2021, 04:25:46 AM
Dark At The End Of The Tunnel is my favourite Oingo Boingo album. I think it's just soothing and beautiful.
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Post by: SteveDave on June 17, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
I can’t fully agree, since I think their second and third albums are their best, but I do love TBH+C a lot, and in the vein of the thread’s OP you’d be dead right in saying it’s better than what a lot of people would say is their peak, which is the first album, which I personally think is the only one that hasn’t aged too well.

Fuck that’s a big old poorly written sentence isn’t it? Bed time for me, it’s too balmy tonight.

The only album of theirs I don't love wholeheartedly is "Humbug" It's too much like their form of teenage rebellion- running off to the desert with ginger Elvis to make a racket. Having said that "Crying Lightning" and "Cornerstone" are two of my favourite songs of theirs but they're more glimmers of gold in the murky bucket of that record.
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Post by: Steven88 on June 17, 2021, 11:20:31 AM
Humbug is probably my favourite Arctic Monkeys album, Pretty Visitors and The Jeweller's hands are my favourite songs from it, I loved TBH+C as well and would like the next album to be something similar but maybe with a couple of faster tracks.
Their weakest is probably Suck it and See for me but that still has some great tracks particularly the last three songs.
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Post by: shagatha crustie on June 17, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
thank you

I hope you're both aware that he DIED when he was making it.
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Post by: Spiteface on July 04, 2021, 08:50:30 PM
I don't quite know where this falls, considering the context, but I think Blink 182's self-titled album and their "reformation" album (i.e. with Tom Delonge back) Neighborhoods are their best stuff.

I cannot speak for what Blink did after Delonge left again, though not heard any of it. Maybe Dude Ranch and Enema of the State are the ones people are supposed to like more, but those are what I prefer, along with the Box Car Racer album that preceded the self-titled one.
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Post by: Magnum Valentino on July 05, 2021, 08:30:00 AM
Licenced to Ill: dogshit rhymes over dogshit guitar and dogshit 808 beats
Ill Communication: Musical polymaths

Probably fair to say though that in the spirit of this thread, Ill Communication isn't the Beasties' "later stuff" - The Mix Up and Hot Sauce Committee are the albums no-one prefers to Ill Communication.

(Even though they're both fab!)
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Post by: Kankurette on July 05, 2021, 09:49:38 AM
Not a massive fan of the Arctic Monkeys, BUT I also prefer their recent stuff. Like Don't Sit Down 'Cause I've Moved Your Chair (and there was footage of Chris Waddle in the video but it got removed for copyright reasons, boo hiss).
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Post by: Shaky on July 05, 2021, 09:51:02 AM
Faith No More greatly improved as Jim Martin's influence was dialled down (and once he left the band entirely). The Chuck Mosley albums have the odd good nugget but it's thin stuff overall, with The Real Thing (replacing Mosley with Patton) being the best culmination of that earlier style. Things really took off from Angel Dust onwards. KFAD for the win, and I'd always rather listen to AOTY and Sol Invictus than the first three albums.
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Post by: Retinend on July 05, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
The Beatles

came immediately to mind on seeing the thread title
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on July 05, 2021, 10:00:24 AM
I think most Descendents fans would prefer their 80's stuff and say that was them in their pomp, I far prefer the likes of Everything Sucks and Hypercaffium Spazzinate though.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 05, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Faith No More greatly improved as Jim Martin's influence was dialled down (and once he left the band entirely). The Chuck Mosley albums have the odd good nugget but it's thin stuff overall, with The Real Thing (replacing Mosley with Patton) being the best culmination of that earlier style. Things really took off from Angel Dust onwards. KFAD for the win, and I'd always rather listen to AOTY and Sol Invictus than the first three albums.

I think KFAD would win any FNM fan vote for best album*.

*based on nothing
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Post by: willbo on July 05, 2021, 10:15:52 AM
I listened to FNM's "introduce yourself" a few years ago and thought I could hear the roots of nu metal in it, which could make it the most influential of all their albums. Personally I like both eras of FNM, the metal roots and the 90s stuff. Mick Wall the music journo presciently thought "introduce yourself" was one of the most important albums he'd ever heard in the 80s.

I can't remember if I mentioned it or not but I really like Bruce Springsteen's "Western Stars" album from a couple of years ago, despite never really being into him before.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: DrGreggles on July 05, 2021, 10:37:19 AM
I like the sound of Introduce Yourself more than the songs themselves (although I love 3 or 4 of them). Same goes for for the We Care A Lot album.
Can't escape the limitations of Chuck's voice though, despite its charms.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: poodlefaker on July 05, 2021, 10:46:51 AM
Probably fair to say though that in the spirit of this thread, Ill Communication isn't the Beasties' "later stuff" - The Mix Up and Hot Sauce Committee are the albums no-one prefers to Ill Communication.

(Even though they're both fab!)

I think the Beastie Boys are the only artist I've ever used this phrase about, many times, back in the 90s - when if you said you liked the BBs, most people's only frame of reference was "Fight For Your Right..."
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Better Midlands on July 05, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
I think the Beastie Boys are the only artist I've ever used this phrase about, many times, back in the 90s - when if you said you liked the BBs, most people's only frame of reference was "Fight For Your Right..."

I was just entering my teens when FFYRTP came out and didn't like it, but thought Licenced To Ill was excellent.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: JaDanketies on July 05, 2021, 11:45:08 AM
Oh yeah the Beatles is a great choice.

There's a lot of hardcore punk / extreme metal where the earlier albums are really 'raw' and sound like they were recorded through a calculator, and to me it is so vastly inferior to the music they made when they've got a bit of cash; even the re-recordings of their old songs are much better. I can barely listen to some of the most lo-fi stuff. Leftover Crack and Carcass can be two big name examples (that I'm not ashamed of mentioning on a left-leaning messageboard).

But when I think about it, most of my favourite bands' early records aren't their best, and the best stuff tends to appear in the middle of their career.

Maybe you've gotta do a Nirvana at your creative peak. Not to say Bleach has any bad songs on it, but In Utero's best songs are much better.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Johnboy on July 05, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
Blur, Suede, Radiohead - all got better the further along they got

*runs away*
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: sevendaughters on July 05, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
Blur, Suede, Radiohead - all got better the further along they got

*runs away*

Polite disagreement on Blur, and Radiohead are almost arbitrary when they'll drop a great one. But on Suede - I agree. I never listened to them in their heyday and went back and listened to everything in order a couple of years ago and thought that their most consistent album work is the more recent stuff.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: purlieu on July 05, 2021, 12:35:40 PM
Blur, Suede, Radiohead - all got better the further along they got
There is a suggestion in here that A New Morning is better than Dog Man Star, which might be the strangest music opinion I've ever come across if true.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: sutin on July 05, 2021, 12:39:31 PM
Faith No More greatly improved as Jim Martin's influence was dialled down (and once he left the band entirely). The Chuck Mosley albums have the odd good nugget but it's thin stuff overall, with The Real Thing (replacing Mosley with Patton) being the best culmination of that earlier style. Things really took off from Angel Dust onwards. KFAD for the win, and I'd always rather listen to AOTY and Sol Invictus than the first three albums.

I've never been too fussed on The Real Thing. A few classic rock club disco floorfillers but a lot of epicy songs I barely remember and the production is a bit '80s metal. Angel Dust and KFAD was definitely them at their absolute height, with AOTY being a little less good. Patton's run from 1991-1995, including the first two Mr. Bungle albums, is a great artist at the peak of his creativity. He was young too. Love the Mosley albums too, and always liked We Care A Lot more than Introduce Yourself. It has a UK cold gothic post punk kind of vibe, like Killing Joke or something like that. I met Chuck about a year before he died, he didn't seem 'okay'.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Johnboy on July 05, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
There is a suggestion in here that A New Morning is better than Dog Man Star, which might be the strangest music opinion I've ever come across if true.

yeh, I knew A New Morning would cause trouble, I don't rate it much but I do think Head Music is their best, by a decent stretch - the guitars on prior albums sound dreadful.

Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: icehaven on July 05, 2021, 01:04:00 PM
I can't see the first page of the thread for some reason so they might have already been mentioned but I think most of the world were surprised to discover Different Class was Pulp's 5th album and not their first. I of course was way ahead and had been into them since, er, the year before when His 'N' Hers came out.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: JamesTC on July 05, 2021, 01:10:17 PM
Innuendo was the best Queen album.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Kankurette on July 05, 2021, 01:59:42 PM
Blur were up and down. I haven't got Think Tank but love 13[1] - I was made up when they did a 13-heavy set at Primavera.
 1. Except Tender, which is gash
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Key on July 05, 2021, 02:56:56 PM
Most artists I have found suffer from the laws of diminishing returns. The blind confidence of youth is long in the rear view mirror. There's only so many times you can showcase the same shtick, dressing it up in slightly different clothes. Debasing yourself by jumping on bandwagons started by younger, more relevant artists. Think of the mortgage payments.
Final albums often show bands in some form of impending collapse.

Its a shit business.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: sutin on July 05, 2021, 03:09:47 PM
Sparks have got to be the ultimate exception to that. Ron's mind seems to sharpen as he gets older, and they made their most daring music in their 4th decade.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Glebe on July 15, 2021, 06:52:09 AM
Faith No More greatly improved as Jim Martin's influence was dialled down (and once he left the band entirely). The Chuck Mosley albums have the odd good nugget but it's thin stuff overall, with The Real Thing (replacing Mosley with Patton) being the best culmination of that earlier style. Things really took off from Angel Dust onwards. KFAD for the win, and I'd always rather listen to AOTY and Sol Invictus than the first three albums.

I actually found KFaD a tad disappointing, there are some cracking songs on there but I felt like they'd kinda lost a bit of their magic spark, although AotY is a bit more like it. Haven't heard Sol Invictus, apart from one the singles.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on July 15, 2021, 03:25:16 PM
Sparks have got to be the ultimate exception to that. Ron's mind seems to sharpen as he gets older, and they made their most daring music in their 4th decade.

There's a lot of recent Sparks songs which are a bit flat because you expect there would be some crazy melodic hook or harmony, or an OTT Russell delivery, but there's just a normal chorus.
But then they do something like Johnny Delusional or Ediaf Piaf (Said it Better than Me) and there's genuinely a case to be made that they're better than they were in the mid 70s.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: the science eel on July 15, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
There's a lot of recent Sparks songs which are a bit flat because you expect there would be some crazy melodic hook or harmony, or an OTT Russell delivery, but there's just a normal chorus.
But then they do something like Johnny Delusional or Ediaf Piaf (Said it Better than Me) and there's genuinely a case to be made that they're better than they were in the mid 70s.

Edith Piaf is sooooooooooooo good
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: cosmic-hearse on July 15, 2021, 07:39:32 PM
Oh yeah the Beatles is a great choice.

There's a lot of hardcore punk / extreme metal where the earlier albums are really 'raw' and sound like they were recorded through a calculator, and to me it is so vastly inferior to the music they made when they've got a bit of cash; even the re-recordings of their old songs are much better. I can barely listen to some of the most lo-fi stuff. Leftover Crack and Carcass can be two big name examples (that I'm not ashamed of mentioning on a left-leaning messageboard).

But when I think about it, most of my favourite bands' early records aren't their best, and the best stuff tends to appear in the middle of their career.

Maybe you've gotta do a Nirvana at your creative peak. Not to say Bleach has any bad songs on it, but In Utero's best songs are much better.

What HC bands do you think record their best stuff later in their career? Other than Poison Idea (Feel the Darkness -1990) & Rudimentary Peni (Cacophony - 1988) I can't really think of any - in fact it's one of those genres where your safest bet is always their debut 1981 7" or what have you.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: markburgle on July 19, 2021, 03:32:53 AM
yeh, I knew A New Morning would cause trouble, I don't rate it much but I do think Head Music is their best, by a decent stretch - the guitars on prior albums sound dreadful.

I don't know Suede in much depth but I thought Barriers and Hit Me off Bloodsports were both brilliant, they'd be regarded as absolute classics if they were on the early albums
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: cosmic-hearse on August 10, 2021, 12:33:14 AM
Sebadoh - their first few albums were littered with filler & half realised acoustic meanderings, but once Eric Gaffney left they solidified into playing powerful Mission of Burma-esque indie rock.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: sutin on August 10, 2021, 12:51:05 AM
There's a lot of recent Sparks songs which are a bit flat because you expect there would be some crazy melodic hook or harmony, or an OTT Russell delivery, but there's just a normal chorus.
But then they do something like Johnny Delusional or Ediaf Piaf (Said it Better than Me) and there's genuinely a case to be made that they're better than they were in the mid 70s.

I was talking about their 4th decade though (the '00s). Lil' Beethoven, Hello Young Lovers and Exotic Creatures Of The Deep contain their least commercially-minded music after playing the '80s and '90s relatively safe in comparison.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: wrec on August 10, 2021, 01:13:32 AM
I probably prefer Iron Maiden's ambitious post-comeback/post-2000 albums now.

I enjoy these largely because they're less familiar to me, and I reckon The Final Frontier is underrated (a Maiden-obsessed acquaintance says he wished they'd never released it). But I've just listened to Dance of Death for the first time in ages and apart from being three or four songs too long, the "prison is like a bloody holiday camp" has harshed my buzz something rotten. Whereas when I listen to any of the first seven albums I'm sure that one's my favourite.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: wrec on August 10, 2021, 01:20:20 AM
Rush. yeah I'm always proverbially spinning Test for Echo over 2112.

well ok maybe not I'm not quite that biased but my favs these days still Grace Under Pressure and the stuff around it rather than 70s Ayn Rand rock stuff.

Grace is my go-to as well (though I'd say Moving Pictures is technically their best) and I think A Farewell to Kings to Power Windows is the best stuff. I don't really get the reverence for 2112.
Title: Re: 'I prefer their later stuff'
Post by: kalowski on August 10, 2021, 07:43:50 AM
weirdos. Blackstar is terrible
No it's not.
It's not better than his run 1971-1989 but it's still great. I love a bit of "Bowie does Scott".