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Title: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Beagle 2 on July 07, 2021, 05:23:23 PM
...sort of... I think? I'm aware that the rest of the band without Martin were doing a nostalgia show as Sice Boo and the Radleys but they seem to be using the full name now and Lamacq played a new song this afternoon (which I haven't heard yet).

Can anyone fill me in as to what's going on? Does seem that sadly Martin isn't involved, but in any case I would go mad for the old stuff sung by Sice. One of my favourite ever bands.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Rev+ on July 07, 2021, 08:27:43 PM
The single's out tomorrow, and is about 41 minutes in here:  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xlrs

Not exactly a radical departure from their later stuff, but you probably want a bit of familiarity for a first return effort.  There seems to be next to no further information around (Lamacq's being oddly cagey other than saying there's likely to be an EP in the near future), but yeah, it seems like Martin isn't involved.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Gulftastic on July 07, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
Yay?
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: phantom_power on July 08, 2021, 12:15:02 AM
I love the Boo Radleys but also have never had any interest in them reforming, especially without Carr
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: SweetPomPom on July 08, 2021, 12:23:56 AM
Martin was first on the bill at The House Of Love's Roundhouse gig a couple of years ago, playing some vaguely dubby solo material - was all a bit low key meh though.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Rev+ on July 08, 2021, 12:59:05 AM
Yay?

That's the only possible reaction really.  Might be alright?

Sice has of course had a proper, grown-up day job for about a decade (http://www.chilternpsychologicalservices.co.uk/about-me.html) and it seems unlikely that he'd chuck that for another throw of the dice in a transit van.  A little bit more stuff though, and some appearances?  Yeah, go on then.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 08, 2021, 01:31:18 AM
I quite like the song.  Really hoped the proper line-up would reform and get their dues but looks like that's all fucked now
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 08, 2021, 01:32:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvPERf5Muk&ab_channel=TheBooRadleys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvPERf5Muk&ab_channel=TheBooRadleys)

Wonder what Martin Carr makes of it all.  The mixing on the song is crap and the artwork looks like a cheap version of their 90s stuff, but it's not a billion miles removed from Kingsize (arguably their best album)
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: famethrowa on July 08, 2021, 02:25:29 AM
That's the only possible reaction really.  Might be alright?

Sice has of course had a proper, grown-up day job for about a decade (http://www.chilternpsychologicalservices.co.uk/about-me.html) and it seems unlikely that he'd chuck that for another throw of the dice in a transit van.  A little bit more stuff though, and some appearances?  Yeah, go on then.

Pretty sure you don't have to do that these days, go play the gig on Saturday night, back at work Monday morning.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: lazyhour on July 08, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
How on earth can they be recording new songs without Carr? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he wrote every note of their music, no?

Kingsize is a fantastic record. Didn't need Free Huey on it, though.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: phantom_power on July 08, 2021, 09:39:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvPERf5Muk&ab_channel=TheBooRadleys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvPERf5Muk&ab_channel=TheBooRadleys)

Wonder what Martin Carr makes of it all.  The mixing on the song is crap and the artwork looks like a cheap version of their 90s stuff, but it's not a billion miles removed from Kingsize (arguably their best album)

Very arguably when Giant Steps exists

It does sound very Kingsize. Wonder if Carr is just writing songs for them now or if Sice wrote it, as he had a solo album after they split up that this sounds a lot like as well
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 08, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
=Kingsize
=C'mon Kids
Giant Steps
Wake Up
EAF

(haven't really listened to Ichabod)
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 08, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
I think Kingsize is their weakest album, but each to their own, eh.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: phantom_power on July 08, 2021, 10:20:34 AM
C'Mon Kids better than Giant Steps. Are you wearing oven gloves to carry around that take?
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 08, 2021, 10:45:20 AM
C'Mon Kids better than Giant Steps. Are you wearing oven gloves to carry around that take?

Nah, just think it's a much better album.  The last two are total classics.  I like it a lot now but working backwards from C'mon Kids to the famous Giant Steps I remember initially being a bit "is that it" and thought it was merely good.  Giant Steps only really clicked for me in the last month or so when I found a vinyl copy and that listen made it make sense quite a lot more (and I have heard it many times), but generally I do think they got better as they went along.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: purlieu on July 08, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvPERf5Muk&ab_channel=TheBooRadleys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvPERf5Muk&ab_channel=TheBooRadleys)

Wonder what Martin Carr makes of it all.  The mixing on the song is crap and the artwork looks like a cheap version of their 90s stuff, but it's not a billion miles removed from Kingsize (arguably their best album)
Pretty much this. It's strangely weak and muddy sounding, but the song is really nice, if unspectacular.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: phantom_power on July 08, 2021, 11:07:01 AM
Nah, just think it's a much better album.  The last two are total classics.  I like it a lot now but working backwards from C'mon Kids to the famous Giant Steps I remember initially being a bit "is that it" and thought it was merely good.  Giant Steps only really clicked for me in the last month or so when I found a vinyl copy and that listen made it make sense quite a lot more (and I have heard it many times), but generally I do think they got better as they went along.

Now I am just jealous of your vinyl copy of Giant Steps
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 08, 2021, 01:09:06 PM
Now I am just jealous of your vinyl copy of Giant Steps

I talked them down to £35 which I understand was a good deal.  Honestly I was happier finding a vinyl C'Mon Kids for £20 a few weeks earlier
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: idunnosomename on July 08, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
is this to do with the increased interest in booing these days?
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Beagle 2 on July 08, 2021, 03:02:42 PM
The new tune is really nice, I do agree there's something off about the way Sice's vocals are mixed but it's just a lovely thing to have. Really pisses me off when bands reform and don't even attempt to sling out a couple of new tunes.

I have followed Martin Carr's stuff since the split, and some of it is pretty great, but it does always slightly grate that his vocal style is like Sice... but it's not Sice. It's a shame he's not involved. It did sound like it ended quite badly for them all but I wasn't aware there was bad feeling as such. I guess he's just doing his thing.

I was so gutted at the time that C'mon Kids seemed to flop, despite being incredible and following on from commercial success. I saw them touring that record in a half-empty venue.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Brundle-Fly on July 08, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
Boo Radleys were one of those bands I saw live about six times during the nineties in very quick succession because they were always the support or on festival bills. Cast and The Farm too. I once experienced Cast as guests three times in ten days. "Not, Fine Time again!?!" I've nothing against the Boos but it's funny I've seen them perform more times than the bands I actually did follow.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 08, 2021, 05:56:59 PM
I have followed Martin Carr's stuff since the split, and some of it is pretty great, but it does always slightly grate that his vocal style is like Sice... but it's not Sice. It's a shame he's not involved. It did sound like it ended quite badly for them all but I wasn't aware there was bad feeling as such. I guess he's just doing his thing.

Didn't Sice contribute on a couple of Bravecaptain songs post-split?
Maybe Martin just isn't a nostalgic guy and sees the Boos purely in the past, but he must have allowed them to use the name.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on July 08, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
I think for Carr the peak of the Boos popularity was an insane period in his life when he went to total excess with booze and drugs in order to cope, and he eventually had to get out of it for his own wellbeing. So maybe he's just not keen to revisit that part of his life again.

There's a interview from a couple of years after the split which goes into it:

https://www.theguardian.com/friday_review/story/0,3605,349977,00.html
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on July 08, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
Boo Radleys were one of those bands I saw live about six times during the nineties in very quick succession because they were always the support or on festival bills. Cast and The Farm too. I once experienced Cast as guests three times in ten days. "Not, Fine Time again!?!" I've nothing against the Boos but it's funny I've seen them perform more times than the bands I actually did follow.

As a frequenter of a certain kind of Stoner/Sludge metal gig, Orange Goblin are like this for me. I must've seen them about more than half a dozen times as a support band/middle of the day festival band and I don't even like them.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Glebe on July 08, 2021, 07:33:19 PM
'I Hang Suspended' has some great guitar. Pretty sure I have the 12" of that somewhere.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 08, 2021, 07:48:19 PM
'I Hang Suspended' has some great guitar. Pretty sure I have the 12" of that somewhere.

Did that have their cover of Zoom on it?
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Glebe on July 08, 2021, 08:00:39 PM
Did that have their cover of Zoom on it?

The Fat Larry's Band song that was used in OFAH episode 'Diamonds Are for Heather'? Cannae be bothered digging the record out, but no, according to Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/The-Boo-Radleys-I-Hang-Suspended/release/1275038).
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Brundle-Fly on July 08, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
My favourite Boo Radleys track used to be Find The Answer Within (particularly The High Llamas mix, sadly not YouTube).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdOrQXhPE_A

However, it was clearly an unabashed rip off homage to Manfred Mann's Walking Around from the Up The Junction (1968) OST. Similarly, from this kitchen sink drama, I'm sure Jarvis Cocker was taking lyrical inspiration for Common People too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0xmzT-5pYs
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 08, 2021, 09:42:18 PM
The Fat Larry's Band song that was used in OFAH episode 'Diamonds Are for Heather'? Cannae be bothered digging the record out, but no, according to Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/The-Boo-Radleys-I-Hang-Suspended/release/1275038).

It was on Barney (...And Me).
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Rev+ on July 09, 2021, 03:58:23 AM
I get why some people incorrectly think that Giant Steps isn't their best album, because it does have a bit of a scrapbook feel.  Most of the songs stop as soon as they've got their point across, which is why it has to be listened to from start to finish.

C'Mon Kids is their best one after that, and the one I'm most likely to stick on these days.  There's some great stuff on Kingsize but it has no structure, and feels like a b-side collection.

Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 09, 2021, 06:31:04 AM
" What's In The Box?" rips off the melody from Madonna's " Material Girl".

My contribution to this thread, there. New page, too.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 09, 2021, 09:51:40 AM
Going away for over a week without a laptop so unable to write big impassioned Kingsize (and C'mon Kids) post that I'd prefer to, so I'll just reaffirm that these are two of the best albums of the 90s and that Kingsize, in particular, is a lost classic, the sound of a band throwing everything they've got at what they must know is their last album without a detectable trace of bitterness.   They may not have been having a happy time during its creation, but it is frequently a moving and euphoric listen and is filled with great songs.   'High As Monkeys' seems to encapsulate this the best, strangely going out on a musical high while their fortunes crumbles around them.




[If anyone has a double vinyl copy they'd like to sell I will make them a negotiable offer of £2.50 for it (plus p&p)]
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: purlieu on July 09, 2021, 11:42:23 AM
I think I'd pretty much agree with PaulTMA's order. Giant Steps is great, but a touch too long with just a handful of songs that don't quite hit the mark for me. On the whole, though, I think all of their Creation albums are fucking great.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Brundle-Fly on July 09, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
Was the single Wake Up their Shiny Happy People?  Whenever I hear it I still think of a carrot-topped, headphones wearing Chris Evans, surrounded by sycophants, gurning into a microphone.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 09, 2021, 03:53:37 PM
Was the single Wake Up their Shiny Happy People?  Whenever I hear it I still think of a carrot-topped, headphones wearing Chris Evans, surrounded by sycophants, gurning into a microphone.

It’s more their You’re Gorgeous, the unexpected giant hit that killed their credibility. You’ve done a good job of explaining why.  REM can leave SHP off a hits album and easily get away with it.  aside from REM already being being fairly massive in the long run with a larger back catalogue, It’s more of a popular mistep in their eyes, rather than being an albatross like Wake Up Boo, their only proper hit.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: purlieu on July 09, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
All appearances of 'Wake Up Boo!' should be replaced with 'Wake Up Boo!: Music for Astronauts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n36yvbxoQak)' in its full nine minute glory.

I don't actually mind the song, really, it's a fun pop song and I like the fact that, despite being such an obviously 'sunny' song, the chorus is minor key. Its ubiquity definitely did the band no favours, although I honestly think it's a better song than, say, 'Parklife' or 'Country House' in terms of the slightly novelty britpop hit single stakes.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Rev+ on July 09, 2021, 09:28:13 PM
'Wake Up Boo' is just a legitimately good song on every level, and at the time it felt like this effortless flex:  'see, we can write songs like this if we want to, but now back to slightly weirder stuff'.  It helps that the music and lyrics seem to be at war with each other, which is always a good combination.  The album that followed is the only disappointing one in their catalogue for me, because it was the most straight-laced thing they ever did.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: CaledonianGonzo on July 10, 2021, 05:15:31 AM
If it's done anything this track has prompted an almighty Boos binge for the first time in way, way too long.

I agree with the general praise for Kingsize - although having played it on Spotify I'm only finding out just now after 23 years that there's a hidden track (Tranquillo) at the start of it.  Free Huey grates  a bit but the rest of it is big, bold and frequently very beautiful.

And we may never be this young again....
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: lazyhour on July 10, 2021, 10:33:08 PM
Verse of the new single rather embarrassingly rips off a melody from High As Monkeys. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Mr Eggs on July 12, 2021, 07:57:03 AM
Everything's Alright Forever has the 2 best bangers for Chromesthesia folk in Firesky and Skyscraper.

kaleidoscope and The Finest Kiss might give you lights.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 12, 2021, 07:15:16 PM
Production aside i flippin love the new single now.  Been playing it to death.  Seems very fittingly 2021 to have them come back without Martin but strangely it’s kinda great
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: badaids on July 12, 2021, 11:14:26 PM

I loved the Radley's back in the day and knew Martin Carr a bit from going to their gigs.

I listened to Giant Steps the other day and still totally love I Hang Suspended, but the rest of the record I was saddened that just couldn't listen to it.  Totally bored the shit out of me and I couldn't stand Sice's voice which is, just like his head, smooth and featureless.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Rev+ on July 13, 2021, 12:33:29 AM
It's not an album with many obvious singles, but I've never liked 'I Hang Suspended' because it's pretty much there to fulfill that role.  It's really thin.  'Lazarus' was out ages beforehand and is better in its proper, ridiculously long version.  'Barney' - well, you're stretching for singles now.

It's an album that's an album, and needs to be listened to from start to finish.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on July 13, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
Well, this is absolutely awful.

I loved that the Boos were one of the great overlooked-by-history bands of their era, poorly represented by their most famous moment, sealed off and, far from perfect, but finished, complete, with much to discover. 

Now, they're back with something soothing that sounds like what people think they sounded like. Just another one of those dead-eyed bastards filling the afternoon slot at the Shiiiine On Weekender.[1]

Sorry to be a negative voice among the positivity, but this thin nostalgic gruel makes me unhappy. I wish certain tombs had been left undisturbed.
 1. 'Weekender, fuck off, fuck off and die'
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: CaledonianGonzo on July 17, 2021, 10:13:19 PM
The combo of Comb Your Hair and Song From The Blue Room one after another is god tier.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: SpiderChrist on July 17, 2021, 10:38:11 PM
Well, this is absolutely awful.

I loved that the Boos were one of the great overlooked-by-history bands of their era, poorly represented by their most famous moment, sealed off and, far from perfect, but finished, complete, with much to discover. 

Now, they're back with something soothing that sounds like what people think they sounded like. Just another one of those dead-eyed bastards filling the afternoon slot at the Shiiiine On Weekender.[1]

Sorry to be a negative voice among the positivity, but this thin nostalgic gruel makes me unhappy. I wish certain tombs had been left undisturbed.
 1. 'Weekender, fuck off, fuck off and die'

No need to apologise. You are not alone.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 17, 2021, 11:28:44 PM
The combo of Comb Your Hair and Song From The Blue Room one after another is god tier.

Kingsize has undoubted highs, but there's a lot of misses on there for me Clive.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 20, 2021, 01:56:47 AM
The combo of Comb Your Hair and Song From The Blue Room one after another is god tier.

This.  It’s an astounding album

Going nuts for Everything’s Alright Forever right now.  Never ‘got it’ before.  I shouldn’t care about a band’s critical standing but something seriously needs addressed concerning the Boos.  It’s a crime they aren’t at least regarded in the same terms as SFA
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on July 20, 2021, 12:42:41 PM
Had assumed that Martin must have at least nodded the reunion through, even if he wasn’t interested in participating. Would have thought that Sice and the rest would have sought that, perhaps even used the occasion to highlight his overlooked talents. Recent tweet from Martin suggesting otherwise:

https://twitter.com/martin_carr/status/1417422163041206277?s=21
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Norton Canes on July 20, 2021, 01:34:25 PM
Boys reload
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: purlieu on July 20, 2021, 02:51:43 PM
Reminds me of Dubstar's reunion without Steve Hillier - the band's main songwriter, co-producer and performer of about 95% of the music on their tracks - and not even mentioning that he'd left. The press around their last album pretty much suggested they'd always been a duo.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 21, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
Had assumed that Martin must have at least nodded the reunion through, even if he wasn’t interested in participating. Would have thought that Sice and the rest would have sought that, perhaps even used the occasion to highlight his overlooked talents. Recent tweet from Martin suggesting otherwise:

https://twitter.com/martin_carr/status/1417422163041206277?s=21

Sice was on the Back To Britpop podcast this week and said he and Tim were recording together and then got Rob involved on drums, then Sice visited Martin and he said he didn't want to become involved at such an advanced stage in their project.  I think Martin is saying that it is weird that he is not being mentioned in interviews, although he tweeted that right after an interview with Tim went out which indeed doesn't mention him, but the uncut zoom call has since been uploaded to Youtube and of course Martin is mentioned in that, just didn't make it article.

4:15 here to hear Sice talk about it: https://player.fm/series/back-to-britpop/the-boo-radleys-sice (https://player.fm/series/back-to-britpop/the-boo-radleys-sice)
Doesn't mean there might no be weird feelings about it,  of course, but I don't get the impression there's any nastiness or underhand behaviour involved.  Might be just a slightly awkward outcome that has materialised.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Beagle 2 on July 21, 2021, 07:55:59 PM
Thanks for that Paul, it does clear things up.

I don't understand why some people are getting upset about it, it's hardly going to be a cynical reunion for the money is it? Just that using the name is going to guarantee at least a bit of an audience. I'm chuffed that those people are making music again, that's it really.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: holdover on July 21, 2021, 08:17:41 PM
I loved Martin’s Brave Captain stuff which he now seems almost embarrassed about. The albums he put out under his own name totally bored me. He was clearly the leading force behind the Boos and wrote the songs but I always got the impression that Tim was responsible for a fair bit of the arranging and production?

I’m just chuffed to hear Sice sing again.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on July 21, 2021, 08:47:10 PM
Doesn't mean there might no be weird feelings about it,  of course, but I don't get the impression there's any nastiness or underhand behaviour involved.

Maybe, but if I was Sice or one of the Sleeperblokes, when the conversation about what to call ourselves came up, I would say ‘well, definitely not the Boo Radleys, because that would imply the resurrection of a long-dead band, which this project definitely isn’t, agreed?’

There’s a mean, dishonourable calculation at work which debases all of us as a species.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 21, 2021, 11:26:14 PM
Sice and Tim were members of the band throughout their career though, and Rob for most of it, so they're well within their rights to use their name.
It's hardly a Bucks Fizz situation, although I reserve the right to change that opinion if Martin is replaced by David van Day.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on July 21, 2021, 11:38:38 PM
They were members of a band that would have been nothing to no one if not for the contribution of the other member.

I'm not arguing from a legal perspective, I'm sure it's perfectly permissible. I just think it's grubby, desperate, transparent and bleak. If you told me in the mid-90s that I'd be flinging those words at the Boos I'd have blacked your eye.[1]
 1. Then started crying five minutes later and apologized.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 22, 2021, 12:04:52 AM
I think it's possible that he did give his blessing, with whatever mixed feelings he had/has, but checked a couple of the interviews (I think there have only been about 2?) and felt odd about not getting a mention in those, which may be more down to the journalists rather than the band attempting to write him out of history.  I'd suspect they probably feel cagey about even bringing him up, but what do I know...

I'm wondering how they are going to play live, surely they need at least five people to pull it off?
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Beagle 2 on July 22, 2021, 11:08:26 AM
I think the BBC radio interview might have pissed him off a bit as Sice was announced as "singer and songwriter for the band" and then the inane host talked about how brilliant Wake up Boo was and Sice went along with it politely.

Listen to that Britpop podcast for a better explanation of how it came about - Sice and Tim started working on songs together after Tim came to Sice's birthday get together, then thought they should get Rob to do some drums on them. They had been Martin's support band for that long that you can see why they didn't contact him until the writing was done.

By the time they decided to see if Carr wanted to get involved they already had the tunes, so you can also see why Martin may have been a bit irked and thought there was nothing for him to get involved with.

Also interesting that he said that Kingsize was Tim's album, and I've heard Martin say that abum turned out totally differently to what he imagined. But... Kingsize is great! And the new song sounds very Kingsize.

So, okay, I guess you can say it's not the Boo Radleys and they've cynically used the name to ensure some sort of audience,  but I'm still interested in hearing what they produce.

Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: SteveDave on July 22, 2021, 11:24:24 AM
Thanks for that Paul, it does clear things up.

I don't understand why some people are getting upset about it, it's hardly going to be a cynical reunion for the money is it? Just that using the name is going to guarantee at least a bit of an audience. I'm chuffed that those people are making music again, that's it really.

I did see a poster last year for (I think) one of those Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine On weekenders where it was "Sice Boo And The Radleys". I wonder why they've changed that?

FAKE EDIT- Here we go-

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElfPDUuXIAE8MbE?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: crankshaft on July 22, 2021, 11:47:22 AM
As if that poster wasn't already pure deso, zooming in reveals there's a band listed called Good Mixer. Fuck everything.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on July 22, 2021, 12:48:27 PM
So, okay, I guess you can say it's not the Boo Radleys and they've cynically used the name to ensure some sort of audience,  but I'm still interested in hearing what they produce.

Of course, none of this would be an issue for me at all if they called themselves Sice and the Boo Men, or whatever. But from that account, they clearly started making music and specifically didn’t contact Martin. So to then go on and use his legacy for their own gain looks very grubby to me.

Still, if you got the band you like back then enjoy it. I always hated Kingsize. The great thing about the Boos is that everyone’s personal top 10 probably looks completely different to another’s. It’s just a shame that it’s not that legacy that’s being celebrated.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 22, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
I think it's shame you can't walk into a barber's and ask to go 'full Sice' - the whole lot off, no stubble - without them not having a clue.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Flouncer on July 23, 2021, 01:50:25 AM
Of course, none of this would be an issue for me at all if they called themselves Sice and the Boo Men, or whatever.

They should've called themselves Sicey-Wicey and His Boo-Boo Boys.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 23, 2021, 08:26:01 AM
It’s more their You’re Gorgeous, the unexpected giant hit that killed their credibility. You’ve done a good job of explaining why.  REM can leave SHP off a hits album and easily get away with it.  aside from REM already being being fairly massive in the long run with a larger back catalogue, It’s more of a popular mistep in their eyes, rather than being an albatross like Wake Up Boo, their only proper hit.

My friend got speaking to the drummer in a bar in Manchester once and he was really bitter about Wake Up, saying how it had ruined the band and spoilt everything. Guess the royalties are nice though.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: DrGreggles on July 23, 2021, 09:06:52 AM
Wake Up Boo wasn't an accidental hit though.
Martin specifically wrote it as pop song that was upbeat and get loads of airplay so it would get it the charts.
The other singles from the album, Find The Answer Within and It's Lulu, were similarly cynical attempts at being hits, which is why they sound so different to the rest of the songs on Wake Up.

There must have been plenty of people, new to the band, who bought the album based on those 3 songs and were surprised at how the rest of the album sounded.
I think the non-singles work perfectly in showing where the Boos were at between Giant Steps and C'mon Kids.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: king_tubby on July 23, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
Giant Steps was my favourite ever record back in the day. I can't listen to it now, 25+ years later, because I've now heard pretty much everything they're trying to pastiche and it just grates so badly. Also the fucking CHEEK of calling it Giant Steps. Damn.

Everything's Alright For Ever and the Every Heaven ep are still bangers though.

Wonder how much my copy of Ichabod and I is worth now.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: lazyhour on July 23, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Wonder how much my copy of Ichabod and I is worth now.

About £30 in tip top condition.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on July 23, 2021, 11:00:17 AM
The one thing that stands out for me is Sice saying that Martin was under pressure from Creation to make a 'pop' album and he took it very seriously, unlike Slowdive who ignored the same demand and then split up as soon as their album came out.  Trying to think of who else released an album on Creation around then, the Fanclub definitely made their most pop album and for the next couple of albums they managed to come up with a lot of singles and potential singles, even if only one was a 'hit' (cos it was the first new product and came on 2 x CDs which fans snapped up ahead of the album).
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Goldentony on July 23, 2021, 03:09:20 PM
They should've called themselves Sicey-Wicey and His Boo-Boo Boys.

'baldy bastard and his fucking twats'
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on July 23, 2021, 04:36:15 PM
Imagine demanding that Slowdive make a pop album. McGee with his finger on the pulse of reality yet again.

Probably explains why the third Ride album is so poor.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: Bently Sheds on July 24, 2021, 06:58:57 PM
Surprised Manfred Mann didn't sue the Boos for lifting the chorus off this song:

https://youtu.be/v0xmzT-5pYs?t=40 (https://youtu.be/v0xmzT-5pYs?t=40)
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: holdover on July 24, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
Which is worse? It’s Lulu or Free Huey?
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: PaulTMA on August 07, 2021, 02:01:01 PM
Why did you want to reform the Boo Radleys?

Sice: Nobody had the idea to reform the group. It is something that has evolved naturally. I invited Tim to attend my 50th birthday party. While exchanging, we found that neither of us had made music for years. We said to each other: why not get back together? We started sending each other files to exchange ideas. Very quickly, Rob joined us. At no time did we find ourselves in the same room. Everything was done remotely. Without really noticing it, we have accumulated a good stock of songs. All were finalized.

Did you hesitate before thinking about making them public?

Sice: Honestly, yes. We didn't really know what to do with it. Only one thing was clear in our mind, we didn't want to release them as The Boo Radleys. The first idea that sprouted was to give a few concerts. We have planned dates under the name of Sice Boo & The Radleys. We had other ideas for names that were just as crazy (laughs). With the containment, we had to cancel them.

Why did you change your mind about the name of the group?

Sice: I went to visit Martin Carr (former guitarist and composer of the group, editor's note ) in Wales for a day. I asked him if he wanted to join the group. He was honest and preferred to decline. He has other plans in mind at the moment. On the other hand, he told me that it was useless to play under another name. He was the one who urged me to use the Boo Radleys name again.


https://section-26.fr/the-boo-radleys-pour-notre-retour-on-fuit-la-pression/?fbclid=IwAR3rdDD0db5Mz3zmFGUYMvAubo4q168-wMBd4LGM-lOJjaIKkET4aj60Yfc
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: SteveDave on August 07, 2021, 02:33:33 PM
On Facebook yesterday, Martin Carr posted “Just got an email from the manager of the Boo Radleys”

Then there was an emoticon on a bemused face.

He seems to be at once arsed and not arsed that they’ve reformed without him.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: sweeper on August 07, 2021, 04:35:26 PM
He was the one who urged me to use the Boo Radleys name again.

Everyone has lost their fucking minds.

Strongly anticipating that Martin Carr will now pop over the Severn Bridge to curl out a turd on my driveway.
Title: Re: Boo Radleys reform
Post by: holdover on August 19, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
Tour announced! I’ll be checking out the Edinburgh gig