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Title: mediocre music you love? (not total crap or guilty pleasure)
Post by: willbo on July 14, 2021, 09:03:48 PM
I was thinking because I quite like the band Pale Waves and I was thinking of getting their album when it came out in 2018. But all the reviews of it said it was just mediocre. Just too similar to better bands, from 80s post punk to The 1975 who they supported on tour (but I don't like The 1975 as much myself).

Noone was saying it was crap, just middling. And they made me feel embarrassed and put me off buying it, like I'd be wasting my time.  Now I kind of regret it and I want to get back into them.

I also quite like Ozzy's solo albums, I'm a big Black Sabbath fan and I love the cheekiness of Ozzy's voice, even though his later albums have been a bit derivative and trendy (like having djent-y riffs on Scream), I always find an album by him entertaining.

And I'll listen to ANY female fronted hard rock, from the cool and critic-endorsed (Windhand, Royal Thunder, Heron Oblivion) to the slightly cheesier (Halestorm, Pretty Reckless etc)
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on July 14, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
For me Clive it has to be, <Your favourite band>.


I quite like Sara Bareilles, but not in a ironic way.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 14, 2021, 09:09:42 PM
If you like an artist, surely that means that they're not mediocre to you.

In short, Crowded House - and you can all fuck off.
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Post by: the science eel on July 14, 2021, 09:16:33 PM
Erasure
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Post by: willbo on July 14, 2021, 09:24:00 PM
If you like an artist, surely that means that they're not mediocre to you.

I think a lot of it is stuff that you know is derivative (or know now as an older person) but discovered before the stuff it rips off. Like a lot of the 90s britpop/indie I like, I wouldn't have liked so much if I'd had a bigger education in rock at the time, and knew about David Bowie, The Jam, Smiths, Stone Roses etc. But for me it was the first music like that I'd ever heard.
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Post by: The Mollusk on July 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
If you like an artist, surely that means that they're not mediocre to you.

In short, Crowded House - and you can all fuck off.

I like Crowded House! They are a nice summer breeze, nothing remarkable but just mmmm, that’s nice, cheers for that lads, nice.

I recently rediscovered the band Casino Versus Japan and their album “Whole Numbers Play The Basics” which is the most run of the mill Boards of Canada by numbers stuff but somehow I don’t find it annoyingly derivative like a lot of that stuff, it’s just very pleasant. I’m so obsessive with music that even as a quiet background listening experience I find myself drawn to how much I’m not enjoying the music, but I don’t get that with this album. It’s very good enough.

Future Islands would be a good example of this as well I reckon. Sam Herring giving it the billy big bollocks on stage is amazing to watch and was the reason I was first drawn to them (I watched that Letterman video dozens of times), but on record they’re really quite plain. But it’s pleasant, his slightly rough edged crooning and the mild, woozy synths, nowt to complain about there from me.
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Post by: bgmnts on July 14, 2021, 09:53:31 PM
Everything I like is either absolutely fantastic or utter gash. No kiddle ground here.

Maybe Carlos Santana?
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Post by: Astronaut Omens on July 14, 2021, 09:58:04 PM
Loads of hip-hop B-side instrumental mixes- they're quite often somewhat blank and uneventful, and sometimes are little more than a loop, but they often fulfil a purpose for me when I'm after something backgroundy.
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Post by: willbo on July 14, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
and for me there's always 80s pop rock - Sting, Genesis, Springsteen, Dire Straits etc
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 14, 2021, 10:44:50 PM
My local classic rock station. Songs I'd never bother listening to on my own become sing-along bangers when they're on the radio.
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Post by: MrSerious on July 14, 2021, 10:46:29 PM
The Lightning Seeds, isn't it.

It's essentially MOR adult pop, but there's something really pleasant about the combination of the production, smart chords/melodies and Broudie's weedy voice.
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Post by: Seedsy on July 15, 2021, 12:28:22 AM
Loads of hip-hop B-side instrumental mixes- they're quite often somewhat blank and uneventful, and sometimes are little more than a loop, but they often fulfil a purpose for me when I'm after something backgroundy.

Futtermans Rule?
Always had a fantasy, that my Indie band would walk out on stage to that tune to a packed barrowlands once we had "made it"
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Post by: Kankurette on July 15, 2021, 01:37:42 AM
Space. In fact, most of what I like would be considered mediocre here.
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Post by: pigamus on July 15, 2021, 01:48:58 AM
Deacon Blue.

(No way do Crowded House qualify. I had the tune for Four Seasons in One Day randomly in my head a few weeks back, what a gorgeous song that is.)
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Post by: the science eel on July 15, 2021, 06:46:00 AM
Deacon Blue.

(No way do Crowded House qualify. I had the tune for Four Seasons in One Day randomly in my head a few weeks back, what a gorgeous song that is.)

Agree on both counts. 'Real Gone Kid' is a stormer (which no music critic or 'serious music fan' would ever say a good word about), and Crowded House put out some lovely stuff. 'Distant Sun' knocks me out every time.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on July 15, 2021, 10:09:34 AM
Readers Digest easy listening LP box sets 1969 -1975.

Second-tier 1990s ambient house music.

Many, many film soundtracks and library music albums.

The albums of late 1970s to mid 1980s one-hit wonders.
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Post by: sevendaughters on July 15, 2021, 10:15:30 AM
I don't think Erasure qualify at all, certainly not their 80s imperial phase.

I was in a pub yesterday and there was a lot of landfill indie from the mid-late 00s on and I found myself singing along under my breath in a way I never would at the time. All songs brickwalled to fuck and sung with social class pitched down two tax bands but melodic.
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Post by: Neomod on July 15, 2021, 12:46:06 PM
I'm always partial to a bit of the jangly stuff and these bands aren't/weren't gonna set the world alight but bring me pleasure. So could the following please stand up..

Real Estate
East Village
American Football

oh and Fiona Richmond's Frankly Fiona
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Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 15, 2021, 03:20:19 PM
All of Bob Dylan’s output from the ‘70s and ‘80s (except the 3 good ones). Two decades (15 albums?) of completely fine music, and a real comfort listen for me.

(Ferris considers mentioning his guilty enjoyment of Blur, then thinks better of it.)
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on July 15, 2021, 03:59:39 PM
Having experienced my musical awakening during the Britpop years, this probably describes half the bands I like. Kula Shaker seemed to be declared naff by many, even at the time, but I recently gave their first album a listen and it still sounded good to me.
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Post by: rue the polywhirl on July 15, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
Tend to think most music that people like is mediocre so nearly all artists and groups will tend to fit this bill. Toro Y Moi however seems to be the most average of averagely received artists that I think is fantastic (for what it is). Anything In Return and What For? are easily his masterpieces in magnificent, mid-paced, mellifluous mediocrity.
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Post by: willbo on July 15, 2021, 05:49:06 PM
another one for me is Idlewild's debut, Hope is Important. Dismissed by the band themselves, many fans, and critics as a noisy, immature grungey album,  overshadowed by their later work, but it's the sound of late 90s emotional alt-rock to me, it has important memories for me and it's way superior than the likes of Feeder that were doing similar stuff IMO.
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Post by: Rizla on July 15, 2021, 05:58:33 PM
Crowded House are mediocre compared to Split Enz,  without a doubt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5rNyd2eEY).

I'll nominate Uriah Heep (at least the first two albums) - along with a lot of other sub-Sabs "heavy" stuff from that era, it's hilarious, it rocks and I love listening to it, but it's not "good". You could maybe make a mediocrity case for bands like The Troggs but they arguably veer into the sublime, at their best.
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Post by: willbo on July 15, 2021, 06:12:28 PM
I had a bunch of Heep's songs on various heavy rock compilations when I was younger and I always loved blasting them. I loved the organ on songs on "Easy Livin", and how cheesily deep and Tom Jones-ish the vocals were. I get the impression they were already a bit behind and a bit old hat even then, like they were a few years behind Purple and Led Zep in innovations.

I always think though... the worse and cheesier the rock, the more it captures the time. Like with 80s thrash metal. The worst bands capture the time best. Because they sound like the regular dudes you'd know from then.
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Post by: Bongo_Christ on July 18, 2021, 01:36:59 AM
[EDIT: done a wrong thing, sorry]
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Post by: sutin on July 18, 2021, 02:43:28 AM
Ropey old c86/Sound Of Leamington Spa jangle stuff.
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Post by: willbo on July 18, 2021, 05:19:23 AM
There was a Sound Of Leamington Spa...?
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Post by: sutin on July 18, 2021, 06:29:27 AM
There was a Sound Of Leamington Spa...?

Yeah... John Rivers' studio was there where a lot of late '80s jangle was recorded.

https://www.twee.net/spa/ (https://www.twee.net/spa/)
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Post by: willbo on July 18, 2021, 07:34:55 AM
Joan Rivers had a comedy studio there...? oh...you said John.

I feel like as a connoisseur of Coventry/West Midlands music I should know more about all that really. Thanks.
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Post by: icehaven on July 18, 2021, 09:41:07 AM
Heron Oblivion

Good to see Chris Morris is keeping busy naming bands.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 18, 2021, 09:48:38 AM
I'm always partial to a bit of the jangly stuff and these bands aren't/weren't gonna set the world alight but bring me pleasure. So could the following please stand up..

Real Estate
East Village
American Football


East Village are great, Real Estate less so but two of their mid-period albums are lovely. Not heard American Football. Do you have a link?

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Post by: PeterCornelius on July 18, 2021, 11:05:44 AM
Travis - The Man Who
I feel a bit cruel to call it 'mediocre' because it's got some lovely songs on it. It's not groundbreaking or edgy, just ... 'comforting'.
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Post by: flotemysost on July 18, 2021, 11:10:34 AM
Good to see Chris Morris is keeping busy naming bands.

Hahaha.

Isn't this an incredibly subjective thing? To use the example of Crowded House, I think they've got some gorgeously bittersweet melodies and harmonies and I find some of their stuff very moving BUT can completely see how someone might just see them as inoffensive sunny jangle.

Is this about "stuff you love which is widely culturally perceived to be MOR/vanilla"? I once made a mix CD of indie pop type stuff for someone I was seeing, which featured a track by Aztec Camera, and he texted me later like "LOL Aztec Camera, didn't know you had such a cheesy taste in music". DUMPED MOTHERFUCKER

Not really
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Post by: buttgammon on July 18, 2021, 11:21:28 AM
Are Wild Beasts mediocre? I feel like they're quite middling, but I've always had a soft spot for them.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on July 18, 2021, 11:43:54 AM
All this 'total crap', 'guilty pleasure' and 'mediocre' stuff is just bollocks, isn't it? Really juvenile stuff.
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Post by: Neomod on July 18, 2021, 09:35:01 PM
East Village are great, Real Estate less so but two of their mid-period albums are lovely. Not heard American Football. Do you have a link?

Note how I didn't include Birdy. Love that little Debsy and Paul project.

With an apt Smiths-esque title here's American Football and Home is Where the Haunt Is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNCSwyDOETI