Started by pancreas, June 26, 2022, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: shoulders on November 16, 2023, 07:51:38 AMWhat has gone unsaid is the sheer injustice that someone can earn far less in tips just by virtue of working in a less popular or cheaper/lower class establishment, sometimes even doing the same work.
Quote from: phantom_power on November 20, 2023, 01:15:09 PMOr if they are just not attractive, charismatic or polite enough to convince people to give them a bigger tip. Some might say those things are part of the job but that doesn't seem right
Quote from: jamiefairlie on November 20, 2023, 03:44:59 AMWhat if you can afford the meal but not the meal plus the tip? If you don't go then the restaurant lose out and the serving staff lose a little bit of job security.
Quote from: Ferris on November 21, 2023, 12:42:28 AM(Point being: if you can afford 40 quid for some dinner, you can likely afford 45 quid. If you literally can't afford the extra fiver, then you couldn't afford the 40 quid in the first place and I'm surprised this needs saying.)
Quote from: Armed Traffic Warden on November 21, 2023, 09:14:28 AMEvery budget has a breaking point. I'm surprised this needs saying. Not everyone is going out to a restaurant regularly. For some, it's a special occasion and £5 can indeed be all the difference. If you genuinely think not, then I suggest you've never truly known ongoing financial hardship.
Quote from: Icehaven on November 20, 2023, 01:47:45 PMTipping is a shitshow minefield, the expected percentage varies wildly, if it's a percentage of the bill then larger tables are always going to be prioritised, then if they're split evenly at the end of service that's not fair on either the good staff or the customers that wanted to tip them directly. Most payments are by card now as well so that's a whole new level of awkwardness and complication unless tips are automatically applied, which in turn is obviously going to upset customers who want to tip at their own discretion. You can't win, and there'll never be a national/global consensus so it'll always prompt embarrassment or confusion or argument whatever you do. Bring on the robot waiters.
Quote from: Armed Traffic Warden on November 21, 2023, 09:14:28 AMEvery budget has a breaking point. I'm surprised this needs saying. Not everyone is going out to a restaurant regularly. For some, it's a special occasion and £5 can indeed be all the difference. If you genuinely think not, then I suggest you've never truly known ongoing financial hardship. " but you can afford trousers" It's a very tory thing to say. Think about it.
Quote from: Proactive on November 21, 2023, 02:58:28 PMCan the people defending tipping at least acknowledge that it's a fucking awful system, even if we agree that it's only fair to do it in places like America where it's part of the system?
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on November 21, 2023, 03:00:52 PMHow much are you meant to tip if the meal is good in the UK? I remember going to a posh restaurant in Oxford and tipping 20%, the waiter looked alarmed and asked if the meal was ok. I thought 20% was ok to tip?Tbh I almost never eat out.
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on November 21, 2023, 04:09:01 PMYes, but the people not doing it have to stop pretending that them being tightarses is socialism.
Quote from: Ferris on November 21, 2023, 08:17:15 PMTipping is a fucking terrible system. Beyond the weirdness and awkward interactions, in a lot of places (including my own province) it can be massively abused by managers and owners - for example, there is no requirement that tips here go to staff. They could just get chucked into the till, and from what I hear this happens a lot in places with people on work visas who don't know enough (or lack the empowerment) to do anything about it. States in the US (and provinces in Canada including Ontario, until recently) allowed owners to subsidize wages with tips - so if you worked 10 hours and got $150 in tips, you "made" $15 an hour and that's above minimum wage so now as the restaurant owner, I can legally pay you $0 out of the business' pocket. Kerr-ching!!Now, I'm pretty careful about where I eat out whenever I get the chance so I make sure I only go to places that treat their workers well but its an absolute disaster of a concept and I would be delighted if it fucked off. That said, I have to live with it where I am, so I go along with it and try to deal with it as ethically as I can.
Quote from: Proactive on November 21, 2023, 08:44:08 PMI think it would be great if restaurants (in the UK at least, where I see tips as something you're lucky to get rather than it being strictly necessary) made their internal policy clear on the bill/website/wherever, so you know exactly how it gets distributed. Waiting is just one aspect of the dining experience and it'd be nice to know that everyone on that kind of pay scale working in the kitchen etc was getting a fair slice of the pie.
Quote from: shoulders on November 21, 2023, 09:51:16 PMI guess. Some businesses used to show off about being Real Living Wage employers.**Yay, how downright decent of you to pay someone what has been calculated the bare minimum.
Quote from: Ferris on November 22, 2023, 01:19:24 AMuntaxed tips
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