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Title: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 11, 2019, 06:06:36 PM
(http://botchamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/StephTweet-600x192.jpg)

See the existing thread is about to hit 100 posts. With each 100 page thread taking approx 5-6 months this'll probably take us through both those launches, which honestly seem like the two biggest events in US wrestling for as long as I can remember and they're happening damn near back to back.


Oh, and Summerslam is on tonight... anyone give a shit?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on August 11, 2019, 06:18:25 PM
May as well christen the new thread with my terrible predictions. Winners in bold

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Seth Rollins
Becky Lynch (c) vs. Natalya
Bayley (c) vs. Ember Moon
Kofi Kingston (c) vs. Randy Orton
Kevin Owens vs. Shane McMahon
Finn Bálor vs. Bray Wyatt
AJ Styles (c) vs. Ricochet
Goldberg vs. Dolph Ziggler
Trish Stratus vs. Charlotte Flair
Drew Gulak (c) vs. Oney Lorcan
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 11, 2019, 06:18:44 PM
I don't think I could be roused for Summerslam. Let me have a look at the card and give an unfair preview of it.

Brock-Seth (Univ). Feels like the fans will dump on this one. All things being equal would be good but Seth is such an unfeasibly huge dork that a win won't help anyone.

Becky-Natalya (Raw Women's). Nattie is good, Becky a fine character, but this spells meh.
Bayley-Ember (Smackdown Women's). Sorry, don't care.
Kofi-Orton (WWE Champ). Feels very 2009.
Owens-Shane (Owens to quit if he loses). Smoke and mirrors. I like the stip.
Finn-Bray. Here's where the Bray shit starts to unravel. Can't believe they've gone back to this feud. Might be ok.
AJ-Ricochet (US). Should be good.
Goldberg-Ziggler. Squash.
Trish-Charlotte. DUD.
Gulak-Lorcan (Cruiser). A good match to be worked in a heatless dirge. Shame.

At least it feels concise, unlike a lot of PPVs!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 11, 2019, 07:07:58 PM
I hope Brock Lesnar eats Seth Rollins tonight and dumps out a better version of him tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 11, 2019, 08:43:09 PM
Bliss & Cross vs. The Iconics, and Murphy v Crews added to the pre-show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on August 11, 2019, 08:50:09 PM
Bliss & Cross vs. The Iconics

Jesus H Corbett.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on August 11, 2019, 10:04:18 PM
The thing to remember about Gedo's booking is he always has a reason for what he does.


To annoy Naito fans

Just forwarding this from the previous thread FOR SOME REASON.

It's mad that Roman and Bryan don't have matches at Summerslam, but it's also remarkably restrained of WWE to not force their building feud into the card. I'm sure there'll be a segment or two involving them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 11, 2019, 10:44:42 PM
I was so looking forward to this thread title but mate...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 11, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
I was so looking forward to this thread title but mate...
😔

When I done the last one I figured it'd be outdated by Mania, didn't realise Vince was that invested in Corbin...

It's mad that Roman and Bryan don't have matches at Summerslam, but it's also remarkably restrained of WWE to not force their building feud into the card. I'm sure there'll be a segment or two involving them.
Was stunned that they didn't force it in, have the two had a proper big singles match before? Seems like a pairing that could work very well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 11, 2019, 11:41:51 PM
The Network stream is dogshit tonight.

Surprised to see Edge do the spear. I thought he couldn’t do anything physical. Is that his first spear since retiring?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: bgmnts on August 11, 2019, 11:43:19 PM
Philanthropy is the future of marketing might be one of the saddest sentences ever.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 11, 2019, 11:53:47 PM
The Network stream is dogshit tonight.

Surprised to see Edge do the spear. I thought he couldn’t do anything physical. Is that his first spear since retiring?

That Saudi money calling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on August 11, 2019, 11:58:19 PM
Was stunned that they didn't force it in, have the two had a proper big singles match before? Seems like a pairing that could work very well.

They had a very good match before 'Mania 31 (and just after the clusterfuck that was the 2015 Rumble) when the Roman Hate Train had just started speeding out of the station and Bryan was still almost at his most beloved. It's going to be fascinating to revisit it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 12, 2019, 12:14:11 AM
Matt Riddle is on the Watch Along show and said he's just had a tense encounter with Goldberg and it was picked up by those WWE 24 cameras.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 12, 2019, 12:37:34 AM
Haha the spear sell from Dolph did not disappoint!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on August 12, 2019, 01:35:02 AM
Stuck at work. Sad I'm missing Riddle on Watch-Along.

How is the show so far?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: rjd2 on August 12, 2019, 01:50:32 AM
Stuck at work. Sad I'm missing Riddle on Watch-Along.

How is the show so far?

Only turned on when Goldberg was "wrestling" but nothing memorable whatsoever so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on August 12, 2019, 06:51:20 AM
Chose sleep over Summerslam, and it looks like I made the right choice. But Wyatt using his head as a lantern is pretty awesome.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBvMB7aUEAAvEUr?format=jpg&name=small)

Will watch his match and Lesnar/Seth later.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
Naito is the modern day Chono. Doesn't need a title. Fans love him no matter what.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 08:46:06 AM
shiiiiiiiit something happened on the G1 show that I won't spoiler but it could mean something INCREDIBLE. full goosebumps.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 08:46:50 AM
Yes. I shan’t spoiler it either but that crowd just lost their shit. Awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 08:53:40 AM
I had two storylines in my head that I thought that they would do (still could!) tonight and that was not one of them, but is better than both. Fuck. That was wild. Hope it means what I think it means.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 09:11:03 AM
My god. Suzuki is 50! Fucking awesome. Please let this be build for London!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
that really looks like your London main event, Okada v Suzuki. the champ v the main guy in the territory over the last few years. makes sense and should be great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on August 12, 2019, 09:58:36 AM
Ibushi vs. Switchblade was fantastic.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 10:16:56 AM
yeah. the last 3 matches of the G1 final night was just perfect in terms of story, setting things up, and then paying something off - and also good wrestling! loved it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 12, 2019, 10:32:22 AM
The Fiend’s entrance at Summerslam if anyone missed it https://youtu.be/sx6ohfn_3VE

Pretty fuckin sick!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on August 12, 2019, 11:04:29 AM
yeah. the last 3 matches of the G1 final night was just perfect in terms of story, setting things up, and then paying something off - and also good wrestling! loved it.

I only watched the last two matches but have since gone back to watch a certain angle and, oh my... normally post-G1 is a quieter period for NJPW before they ramp up the build for Wrestle Kingdom but I am very interested in all the main stories and feuds they set up tonight. Great show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 11:23:56 AM
The Fiend’s entrance at Summerslam if anyone missed it https://youtu.be/sx6ohfn_3VE

Pretty fuckin sick!

very entertaining but Bray has never wanted for conceptual hi-jinx and spectacle before stepping in the ring.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on August 12, 2019, 12:03:02 PM
My son was livid with that match. He enjoyed the Fiend gimmick and the lantern, but he angrily called me to say "Finn was always going to lose! Why didn't he bring the demon king? He couldn't beat the old Bray Wyatt without it."

Little sod pulling the logic apart. And he's quite right too. Why, when you've got a demonic alter ego, would you face that without it? Plus, for the Fiend to beat the Demon would elevate Wyatt to another level as it did when Owens beat it in NXT.

God, he's on the cusp of working out the whole thing is fake isn't he? 28 years old he is, etc.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on August 12, 2019, 01:13:13 PM
God, he's on the cusp of working out the whole thing is fake isn't he?

WHAT?!!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on August 12, 2019, 01:27:29 PM
Holy shit that ‘that’ G1 moment. Sometimes wrestling can still give me shivers
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 12, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
I'd like to say that I've never enjoyed Dolph Ziggler as much as I did last night, especially calling Goldberg "dipshit". I'm not entirely sure what the point was, but it was entertaining nonetheless.

See here https://streamable.com/td36x
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
Has everyone seen it yet? Can we talk about it yet?

Personally, whilst that moment was incredible I am not sure what I think moving forward. I already have those other two other mad bastards to watch through my hands  when they are doing that thing they always do to each other in their matches it takes me out of the enjoyment a bit. I have similar feelings towards the wrestler in WWE who has a similar story even though he probably my favorite wrestler. If this happens then I am sure on one level it will be very uncomfortable viewing.

Also, I accept I am hugely in the minority here but can’t work out why this Bray thing is getting such a positive reaction. The videos were amazing but it’s just a shitty mask from a Slipknott tribute band. Am I missing something? Or is that it? Is it cool because wrestling fans tend to like Slipnott tribute bands?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 12, 2019, 01:42:56 PM
Also, I accept I am hugely in the minority here but can’t work out why this Bray thing is getting such a positive reaction. The videos were amazing but it’s just a shitty mask from a Slipknott tribute band. Am I missing something? Or is that it? Is it cool because wrestling fans tend to like Slipnott tribute bands?

I don't think anyone particularly cares about the mask. As you said, the videos are amazing. He's been refreshed, it's new, it's different, it's exciting.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 01:47:34 PM
I'd like to say that I've never enjoyed Dolph Ziggler as much as I did last night, especially calling Goldberg "dipshit". I'm not entirely sure what the point was, but it was entertaining nonetheless.

See here https://streamable.com/td36x

It’s pretty funny that like. Is it just Goldberg’s manner but it always feels like they are almost mocking him? Whether he takes himself a bit to seriously or not (its more likely they just wanted a bit more for the no doubt +$100k they paying him) but that was on edge of taking the piss and making him look silly. And then you got the Riddle stuff..
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 01:49:19 PM
I don't think anyone particularly cares about the mask. As you said, the videos are amazing. He's been refreshed, it's new, it's different, it's exciting.

Fair enough. Not being a Debbie downer just don’t get it. Not to my taste I suppose.

Oh got so much catching up to do. WasTakeover good?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 12, 2019, 01:50:50 PM
It’s pretty funny that like. Is it just Goldberg’s manner but it always feels like they are almost mocking him? Whether he takes himself a bit to seriously or not (its more likely they just wanted a bit more for the no doubt +$100k they paying him) but that was on edge of taking the piss and making him look silly. And then you got the Riddle stuff..

Yeah it was pure cartoon. They know he can only really do two moves, so they're just getting the most out of it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on August 12, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
So I haven’t watched any NXT since the G1 started. Just starting Takeover now and Beth Phoenix has already referred to the “NXT Universe”... Man, a month of listening to Kelly, Charlton and Rocky commentate NJPW has destroyed my already low tolerance for WWE commentary and buzzwords. Hope the show is good!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
Io-Candace on NXT is amazing. Contender for match of the weekend (this sounds sarcastic, but consider it). Main event was absolute balls. Well, I stopped watching it after 20-odd mins. It went 51.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on August 12, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
Has everyone seen it yet? Can we talk about it yet?

It was great. But I'm going to need more time to believe he's fully okay.

Also, if what they teased for the IWGP is the Royal Quest main event (which is what chronologically should be the case) that WOO FUCKING HOO.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 02:32:57 PM
Ill spolier that. If they giving us ZSJ Vs Tanahashi and Okada vs Suzuki at Copper Box then there is a chance we getting a repeat of the tag at York Hall rev pro the night before. It that happens... my god. The Rev Pro show already has Osprey vs David Starr and a tag eliminator for a spot at Copper Box.

A Copper box show with those two matches + Osprey match + Naito and Ibushi doing something (oh god no please) + who knows what else (I’ll be amazed if Ishii doesn’t come) is just insane. And I’m only really going as I hope Yano is there?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on August 12, 2019, 05:22:24 PM
G1 final was very good. The final 10 minutes were especially great. Crowd going nuts at the end. There's a purity to Japanese crowds that I'm coming to appreciate more and more as I'm turned off by western crowds and their patterned reactions.

The ANGLE was great too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 12, 2019, 07:01:51 PM
The Fiend’s entrance at Summerslam if anyone missed it https://youtu.be/sx6ohfn_3VE

Pretty fuckin sick!

Amazing entrance. Loved the creepy decapitated head lantern.

I just caught up with the show. It was a decent event. Rollins vs. Lesnar best match on the show by far. Followed by Trish vs. Charlotte.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: magval on August 12, 2019, 07:12:01 PM
G1 final was very good. The final 10 minutes were especially great. Crowd going nuts at the end. There's a purity to Japanese crowds that I'm coming to appreciate more and more as I'm turned off by western crowds and their patterned reactions.

The ANGLE was great too.

What happened? Someone spoiler it for me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 07:24:18 PM
What happened? Someone spoiler it for me.

Spoiler

Kenta turned heel on Ishii and joined the Bullet Club. Then LA dojo guys came in for save an got a thrashing. Then Shibata jumped in and took out Kenta and the Bullet Club. He got a load of offence including flying kicks before being out numbered at took some big bumps (though nothing to the head - teasing whether or not he is cleared to wrestle again or not). It finished with Kenta sat on Shibata's  chest in Shibata's pose. Heel heat. The crowd went mental for the whole thing.

Remember this guy could easily be dead from brain injuries.

https://twitter.com/early90spants/status/1160818912604241921?s=20

Also Suzuki destroyed Okada in tag and challenged him for IWGP title. Almost certainly to be in London. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2019, 10:01:21 PM
So AEW have signed Orange Cassidy and have Jake Roberts doing the promo videos for the women’s Battle Royale. It’s possible to go off a company quickly!!


They have announced Jazz (cool) and Teal Piper (Roddy’s daughter).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 12, 2019, 10:43:19 PM
Jake Roberts as the card dealer was awesome though.

Also, they announced Ivellise, that's the one I'm most excited for.

Orange Cassidy signing is fine by me. Lower card comedy guy who can go when he wants to. They'll need guys like that for when the TV show starts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on August 13, 2019, 06:34:05 AM
Cassidy is death to a mainstream audience. Comedy is fine, but his gimmick comes across as openly mocking how fake wrestling is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
from purolove.com

NJPW "NJPW ROYAL QUEST", 31.08.2019
London Copper Box Arena, UK

1. SHO, YOH & Rocky Romero vs. Ren Narita, Shota Umino & Ryusuke Taguchi
2. Kota Ibushi & Juice Robinson vs. Yujiro Takahashi & Hikuleo
3. Will Ospreay & Robbie Eagles vs. Taiji Ishimori & El Phantasmo
4. Tetsuya Naito & SANADA vs. Jay White & Chase Owens
5. IWGP Tag Team Title: Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa (c) vs. X & X
6. NEVER Openweight Title: Tomohiro Ishii (c) vs. KENTA
7. RevPro British Heavyweight Title: Zack Sabre Jr. (c) vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi
8. IWGP Heavyweight Title: Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. Minoru Suzuki
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on August 13, 2019, 09:23:10 AM
If I'm going to quibble I'd have liked a Naito singles match, but yeah, it's going to be worth going for that top three.

In other news, IT'S BOSS TIME! As soon as Natalya started talking about her dead dad I knew what was coming.

Very happy to see King of the Ring coming back too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 13, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
Cassidy is death to a mainstream audience. Comedy is fine, but his gimmick comes across as openly mocking how fake wrestling is.

It's a cheeky wink at best, which might serve will in the era of ironic detachment. It's not like the other wrestlers sell his half-arsed moves. It's literally just comedy. If the People's Elbow can be one of the most popular moves in wrestling, I doubt Orange Cassidy's gimmick will damage any credibility.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2019, 10:10:11 AM
Here is the full Kenta turn - the way they swerve it from being a basic heel turn to a brilliant one is amazing. Also the best sell of GTS ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dct7m-MJDFs
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 13, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
We’re finally getting Banks v Lynch again! Their match back in NXT was one of the best of the whole four horsewomen era, second only to Bayley v Sasha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on August 13, 2019, 11:03:17 AM
Cassidy is death to a mainstream audience. Comedy is fine, but his gimmick comes across as openly mocking how fake wrestling is.
D'ya think?  I just see him as a slacker character that his opponent has to drag a fight out of, so there's a clear story to be told there.  I think it's a neat twist on the chickenshit gimmick, where he's just too lazy to fight rather than being cowardly.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 13, 2019, 11:13:26 AM
It's a cheeky wink at best, which might serve will in the era of ironic detachment. It's not like the other wrestlers sell his half-arsed moves. It's literally just comedy. If the People's Elbow can be one of the most popular moves in wrestling, I doubt Orange Cassidy's gimmick will damage any credibility.

I hate his gimmick but it is really popular with the indie fan base in likes of Beyond. He is also a decent wrestler (he was Fire Ant in Chikara - I think) and obviously as a feel decent feel for fun wrestling, just not my thing. There was a Jordynne Grace match a few months ago and when it got going is was actually rather good. I like the idea of him confusing his opponents its just when they sell the half-arsed moves (they do) my skin starts to crawl.

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That Copper Box card looks amazing. No Yano but happy with everything else. Just the right amount of shine on the English wrestlers as I was worried they might feel need to have one of them main event as it is home turf.
Also, for Gedo fans the booking actually not only works from G1 finals but also is consistent with last year's UK shows (ZSJ beat Okada and Suzuki beat Ishii in main event) AND this years Australia shows wth Robbie Eagles moving away from El Phantasmo.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on August 13, 2019, 11:22:51 AM
Could someone post the Royal Quest card pls?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2019, 11:30:58 AM
Could someone post the Royal Quest card pls?

already did!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on August 13, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
Just saw. Sorry, I've got brain problems.

I'm gonna be there in shit seats.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 13, 2019, 12:19:34 PM
Just saw. Sorry, I've got brain problems.

I'm gonna be there in shit seats.

I don’t think there is shit seat in the whole place. The Olympic Park is a soulless hell but the venue itself looks ace and the atmosphere at Olympic boxing was incredible. It really could be an all time great experience.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 13, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
Here is the full Kenta turn - the way they swerve it from being a basic heel turn to a brilliant one is amazing. Also the best sell of GTS ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dct7m-MJDFs

I take it you are watching the Japanese commentary but with the English subtitles yeah? The Japanese commentary is amazing there to be fair.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2019, 12:50:08 PM
I (pseud alert) always watch with the Japanese commentary. The subtitles there are great but obviously you don't get them live. To me they just add to the drama with their earnestness, mirroring the crowd. Kevin Kelly is the best English language announcer going but I find it a bit buzzy and cliched. Plus I grew up watching VHS tapes so you just get used to a certain aesthetic.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 13, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
Jesus though... is Shibata returning? How on earth could anyone let Shibata in a ring again after that injury


I've been without proper internet for a few weeks, the NJPW show in London is literally a 15 minute walk away from me so I'm assuming I get good tickets outside the place on the day from someone or another. Might be going alone though... which seems maybe not a good idea for wrestling?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on August 13, 2019, 12:54:18 PM
I don’t think there is shit seat in the whole place. The Olympic Park is a soulless hell but the venue itself looks ace and the atmosphere at Olympic boxing was incredible. It really could be an all time great experience.

And as I said when they announced this show at Wrestle Kingdom, The Copper Box is exactly the sort of arena you should be having a show like this in - it's the best sports arena in London. It's compact enough that you'll be fine viewing in any seat. If WWE ever do a UK Takeover in London this should be the venue.

And I like the Olympic Park, the further you stray from the Westfield / Stadium end the better.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2019, 01:07:12 PM
Jesus though... is Shibata returning? How on earth could anyone let Shibata in a ring again after that injury


DAVE says not cleared. But he looked GREAT.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 13, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
Excited about the potential of Sasha Banks having a compelling character for the first time in 4 years. I like the blue hair too. Like a fly Marge.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 13, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I hope they let Sasha hold the title for longer than a week this time too. Hell In A Cell ppv is coming up soon. Becky v Sasha in the cell? Yes please. Then if Survivor Series continues the champion v champion matches, it'd mean we could get Sasha v Bayley again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 13, 2019, 02:14:49 PM
Jesus though... is Shibata returning? How on earth could anyone let Shibata in a ring again after that injury


I've been without proper internet for a few weeks, the NJPW show in London is literally a 15 minute walk away from me so I'm assuming I get good tickets outside the place on the day from someone or another. Might be going alone though... which seems maybe not a good idea for wrestling?

There are still tickets available in top tier for about £35. What I can gather is they sold the first 4-5k tickets immediately and the rest have been slow to move as everyone who wanted to go wanted best tickets possible and bought them as soon as they went on sale. I've been to wrestling alone and had a great time. Just hope the crowd is more "Japanese" in style watching the matches and not pissed up dickheads chanting throughout. TBF in Altrincham is was pretty good balance so I am hopeful.

As for Shibata, the first thing I thought when I saw him was his head and it was noticeable the lengths they went to protect him. The Bullet Club guys basically let him have a swing at him and everything was aimed at body. Does it mean that it is impossible for him to be cleared? I'm not so sure but as I wrote before if watching Bryan wrestling of Naito landing on his head (again!) is bad enough for the nerves; I think a Shibata match would be unwatchable as you would be so worried about his brain.
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Post by: Moribunderast on August 13, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Apparently Ibushi cut a promo saying he wants to fight for the IWGP Title on the Jan 4 Tokyo Dome show and then challenge the Intercontinental Champion to a unification match on night 2/Jan 5, should he win. Oh God, Ibushi vs. Naito in a Tokyo Dome main event... someone's gonna die.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 14, 2019, 02:07:52 AM
Great match between Reigns and Murphy on Smackdown.
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Post by: mikeyg27 on August 14, 2019, 12:00:15 PM
Great match between Reigns and Murphy on Smackdown.

Probably the closest we'll ever get to Roman vs Kenny Omega. It was a great match and was an interesting companion piece to the equally good Cedric vs Drew McIntyre match on Raw, which accomplished the same thing - making former cruiserweights look like absolute studs.

Daniel Bryan went full Brando in this episode and I am totally down for it.
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Post by: magval on August 15, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Can someone recommend the best Moxley matches from this summer? Last one I saw was Joey Janela so any since then would be class. Also names of shows so I know where to find them. Thanks pals.
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 15, 2019, 04:06:15 PM
Can someone recommend the best Moxley matches from this summer? Last one I saw was Joey Janela so any since then would be class. Also names of shows so I know where to find them. Thanks pals.

from New Japan

vs. Juice Robinson from the Best of the Super Jr finals night
vs. Tomohiro Ishii from G1 Climax 29 day 6
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on August 15, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
Moxley’s G1 matches against Naito (Day 10) and Takagi (Day 8) were excellent too. If you like comedy, add the Yano match (Day 12) to the list. But the Ishii match that sevendaughters mentions above is the best match I’ve ever seen him in.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 16, 2019, 03:57:26 PM
For any of you who didn’t watch this in Mania week it is now free on YouTube. Some good shit.

https://youtu.be/Cslu7zFmPjM
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 16, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
Riho vs. Hikaru Shida announced for All Out.

Also, the TV tapings in Boston and Philly both sold out.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 16, 2019, 10:45:45 PM
Looks like NXT will be going live on USA network on Wednesdays up against AEW, according to latest Meltzer rumours.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 17, 2019, 03:14:18 AM
Yeah. Mad day for news. The NXT move is great depending on what master stroke Vince thinks he is pulling. If it is to piggy back off AEW and give NXT even wider exposure and try to develop a third main roster brand that can draw even a fraction of the income he gets from RAW or Smackdown then cool. But if he thinks that it’s going to undermine AEW then I think it will backfire hugely. It will just draw more people to Wednesday night wrestling and you will either get channel swapping or recording one to watch straight after the other.

As for developmental the obvious idea is to bring back FCW as a network developmental show to fill the gap of what NXT was meant to be. Surely we have gone way past point of oversaturation though. I’ve never watched a single moment of NXTUK apart from that one PPV they did with Finn Balor.

That said I realised I have a load of MLW shows stored in my TiVo and in G1 gap I’m giviing them ago. It’s good stuff. Just a really simple hour long wrestling TV show. Feels old school with obvious heel and face storytelling. And I could listen to Cornette all day long. I’m actually keen in on the idea of an NWA weekly show if they replicate the vibe of The Crockett Cup show (up there in top 5 best looking shows of the year for me - that ring is lush) and MLW is not a million miles away from that vibe.
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Post by: Moribunderast on August 17, 2019, 01:52:06 PM
The only worry with the NXT news is them being on proper telly might cause Vince to stick his beak in. Also not sure on that show going to two hours weekly. They have the roster to fill it out, for sure, but it was my favourite weekly show (though I haven't watched in a while due to G1) due to it's brevity and simplicity. Having to fill out two hours and potentially trying to counter-program segments/matches against AEW could make it a very different show and not necessarily in a good way. Also, if Vince starts rewriting scripts or deciding who should be pushed, eek. Out with Undisputed Era and Velveteen Dream and in with Riddick Moss and Vanessa Borne. And Keith Lee will probably do skits where he eats too many donuts on the way to the ring...
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 17, 2019, 07:09:38 PM
(https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/talent_champion_xl/public/all/2019/08/20190816_King_Of_The_Ring_Bracket_Article--17231c6acf50c1a4e3d16e5fee2daffd.jpg?fbclid=IwAR3iQ1NSkT8Pm8YYhyfYDe_ZNEK5DksSeSmu0ZW9QOJMhHlRRkhjZtbMls4)


Who we got? Expecting Drew or Ricochet, whoever advances out of those two to dominate the whole field. Hoping for Andrade. Dreading Corbin.
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 17, 2019, 08:30:45 PM
I think AEW will smash NXT here. NXT feels like a cooled off show. Good matches of course but US fans want something more. I'd probably prefer an NXT show if it could hold quality but I have no faith.
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Post by: Deanjam on August 17, 2019, 09:14:09 PM
Who we got? Expecting Drew or Ricochet, whoever advances out of those two to dominate the whole field. Hoping for Andrade. Dreading Corbin.

Drew beating Owens in the final with help from Shane seems most likely.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 18, 2019, 01:20:47 AM
Drew beating Owens in the final with help from Shane seems most likely.

Its reported that the tourament is specifically for one guy (rather than them wanting to do a tournament and then work out the winner). King Drew would be a cool look in principle but it would remind me too much of Sheamus. Does Drew need another gimmick?

King Cesaro would be good but they did fuck all with him after the  Andre win. Andrade would work. King Richocett again?

Thanks for the heads up to ever it was who warned me about AAA booking - I assume a Mask vs Hair retirement match rematch is exactly the type of nonsense I have to get used to yeah?

Which reminds me I was giggling about this before. 25:30 in. Suzuki shaving his own head after losing to Goto in hair match at last year's WK. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d228v

It will never not make me laugh that it was considered fair for both of these guys to offer up their hair.

(https://i0.wp.com/thelionmarks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/TOP001.jpg?fit=600%2C400&ssl=1)

That they made a storyline out of Suzuki having to shave his already shaved head is forever hilarious.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 18, 2019, 04:52:35 AM
MJF commiting to his gimmick more than most. 

https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1162930929872068608?s=20

I did laugh*. So sorry.

*knowlingly**

**obviously
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 18, 2019, 03:54:41 PM
Haha, MJF is a gift to the industry.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 18, 2019, 06:45:38 PM
Struggle to see how NXT on USA isn't a bad idea for everyone.

- Pisses Fox off immediately by not going to their affiliates
- Pisses Fox off by happening at a time when they should be prioritising Smackdown
- Potentially genuinely harms AEW, a company who are in no way going to challenge WWE in any serious way for Vince's lifetime and might actually rejuvenate the business a bit
- Ruins NXT by forcing them to do 2 hours live a week, having to deal with ad breaks, exposing talent that hasn't fully adapted to the TV setup to Vince's critical appraisal very early on, getting involved in hot shot ratings war nonsense
- Ruins Takeover shows due to the USA ratings being consistently prioritised over anything else
- Seriously harms the Network because what on earth is left on the Network after NXT is gone?


Dunno why any indie talent would pick WWE over AEW when NXT (the show they'll be stuck on initially) is far more the second tier show than the indie/mainstream crossover dealio it is now..
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 18, 2019, 09:19:16 PM
Can’t disagree with most of that. It so obvious that it is a reactive decision and it can only be bad for all things WWE. If, as reported, the whole point of this is that Vince can claim that his developmental show out draws AEW then I genuinely think he is in for a shock and he underestimates the fan base out there that just hates him, his product and everything about them. I for one wouldn’t give that Trump supporting Saudi shill a penny of my money, directly or otherwise.

The only thing I would disagree with you is that I think if this happens such boost to AEW if they play it properly. We all know AEW is a big deal but to very lapsed or non-wrestling fan AEW is as relèvent as Impact or Beyond. But the story of the “wrestling wars“ being back is far more likely to get mainstream attention. Vince is doing AEWs work for them.

Obviously the key thing is that the AEW show needs to be great from episode 1. No fucking about just a really good wrestling show that people can get on board with straight away. Do that and don’t drop all your viewers after week 1 and this has launched them.
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 18, 2019, 09:26:43 PM
If, as reported, the whole point of this is that Vince can claim that his developmental show out draws AEW then I genuinely think he is in for a shock and he underestimates the fan base out there that just hates him, his product and everything about them. I for one wouldn’t give that Trump supporting Saudi shill a penny of my money, directly or otherwise.
I don't now how TNT fares against USA but I wouldn't bet against NXT losing to AEW. The biggest damage for WWE at that point would still be that they've traded in the system that generated the bulk of core audience enthusiasm (which is something they are horrifically short of and continue to undervalue) over the past few years to win a ratings war that was totally irrelevant.

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The only thing I would disagree with you is that I think if this happens such boost to AEW if they play it properly. We all know AEW is a big deal but to very lapsed or non-wrestling fan AEW is as relèvent as Impact or Beyond. But the story of the “wrestling wars“ being back is far more likely to get mainstream attention. Vince is doing AEWs work for them.

Obviously the key thing is that the AEW show needs to be great from episode 1. No fucking about just a really good wrestling show that people can get on board with straight away. Do that and don’t drop all your viewers after week 1 and this has launched them.
Not so sure about this, a live side by side comparison might really badly expose their production shortcomings, and I imagine guys like the Bucks are very prone to get absorbed with the whole ratings war nonsense too in a way that could harm their ability to just make a solid product.


Ultimately, I think a lot of it is down to how much Vince fucks up NXT though. He could do things to kill support in that brand almost instantly, and it has been on the wane the last year or so regardless.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 19, 2019, 03:10:59 AM
Not so sure about this, a live side by side comparison might really badly expose their production shortcomings, and I imagine guys like the Bucks are very prone to get absorbed with the whole ratings war nonsense too in a way that could harm their ability to just make a solid product.

AEW production will be fine (if you mean the actual production and not a euphemism for the whole show). They have had plenty of trial runs witht the PPVs and they have loads of people in production and behind the scenes who have done this stuff plenty of times before. They just need to keep it simple and make sure what that it works. And it literally can't be any worse than the WWE in ring production that is broadly unwatchable thanks to Kevin Dunn which is a style NXT producers are told to mimick.

It's pretty obvious that AEW's weakness is when they are going down the BTE and comedy side of things (which does nothing much for me) but as far as a 2 hour TV show goes they will have plenty of time from fans to work it out. They need to be allowed to make mistakes at first. They a company that can potentially include everything from DDT type comedy matches to old-school NWA classics and the balance is going to be tricky to find.

As for AEW getting involved in a ratings war? Oh fuck it. Bring it on. I do find that stuff funny. Their fans love them giving the WWE shit and it's Vince that has decided to raise the stakes to a ridiculous level, potentially sacrificing his own Network and best show in the process. A few sideways glances is fine.

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In other news Jim Cornette says he has been in talks with Billy Corgan about doing the N.W.A. tv tapings in Atlanta. I'll be amazed if it even gets to the popularity of GCW and Beyond but Cornette commentary and The Crockett Cup NWA ring visuals is something that definitely could find a niche. If you have no idea what I am talking about then this, basically, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmX_cqa-QPU
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Post by: cliggg on August 19, 2019, 10:29:45 AM
Cody said a while back that they have 6 months of storylines already mapped out, I don't know if he meant for the entire roster or for the top guys. One thing I don't think people are taking into account is that very few if any people involved in AEW have the experience of running a weekly touring wrestling show all year round. That means dealing with all the production side of it, making sure the crew get to the venue with the equipment a few days early to set it all up, making sure the wrestlers and other on air personalities get there on time and know what they are doing, dealing with sudden injuries, disciplinary issues,  insurance, they say they will let their contracted performers wrestle for other promotions if they want but what if they get injured on that show?, they say the schedule will be lighter (they are looking to do 100-120 shows per year total) which means less money for the performers which may make some work more for other promotions which increases the risk of injury, dealing with wrestler egos and dealing with whatever WWE throws at them.

I sound like a miserable cunt because I am but I also really want AEW to survive and thrive, it's all new and exciting now but wait until a few months into it when they have to deal with all of the above and more, that's when we'll see the makings of them.
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Post by: cliggg on August 19, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
Cody said a while back that they have 6 months of storylines already mapped out, I don't know if he meant for the entire roster or for the top guys. One thing I don't think people are taking into account is that very few if any people involved in AEW have the experience of running a weekly touring wrestling show all year round. That means dealing with all the production side of it, making sure the crew get to the venue with the equipment a few days early to set it all up, making sure the wrestlers and other on air personalities get there on time and know what they are doing, dealing with sudden injuries, disciplinary issues,  insurance, they say they will let their contracted performers wrestle for other promotions if they want but what if they get injured on that show?, they say the schedule will be lighter (they are looking to do 100-120 shows per year total) which means less money for the performers which may make some work more for other promotions which increases the risk of injury, dealing with wrestler egos and dealing with whatever WWE throws at them.

I sound like a miserable cunt because I am but I also really want AEW to survive and thrive, it's all new and exciting now but wait until a few months into it when they have to deal with all of the above and more, that's when we'll see the makings of them.
Also to add to that list of potential negatives...
What if Tony Khan gets bored and decides to bail? Or he doesn't like the way things are done so fires Cody/Bucks/Omega from their production roles the same way he has done with Fulham managers? Or what if the company isn't profitable enough for him after a certain time and he decides to sell it off to someone else?

And just to repeat again I am a miserable cunt but I do want AEW to be successful.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 19, 2019, 12:09:12 PM
I was half expecting it but fuck yeah!!

https://twitter.com/revprouk/status/1163384980980076544?s=21

Okada Tana vs Suzuki Gun in York Hall!!! Yes!

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The thing with this AEW stuff is that it’s just a tiny opportunity in this shite world we live in to piss off one of the biggest cunts in it. Vince has set the bar so low for his own defeat is his own doing (I’m sure his billions will comfort him should he “lose“) but it really is a tale for our times; the evils of capitalism refined into a wrestling war. Free market systems not allowing the existence of genuine competition due to total dominance of the main player. That the underdog in this story is actually even wealthier than Vince is hilarious. I just want Vince to be miserable.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on August 19, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
NXT was the only thing keeping me subbed to the network so between that and the BT deal, I think I'm effectively done with WWE, even though I don't particularly want to be.
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Post by: Spode on August 19, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
This deal will probably end up being the end of NXT and I can’t see who benefits from it all.

In viewing terms, it’s always benefited from being short, taped well in advance with the pay off being a small number of good PPVs. Going live means they can’t really develop fresh talent in the same way, the show will now presumably have Vince’s hands all over it and you’d imagine they’ll be on monthly PPVs before long as well. Being on TV alongside RAW and Smackdown makes it seem more like the 3rd show and I can’t imagine it will be an easy sell to future talent to be scraping around on there when there’s money to be made elsewhere. Being left alone to have good matches for a couple of years before going to the main roster seemed to be a genuine selling point to a lot of those signing up.

As for Vince, I can’t imagine how unknown (to the wider public) talent fighting in front of 400 people in Florida on a weekly basis fits in with his own view on what wrestling should be.

He’s also managed to piss Fox off in the process. Weird.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 19, 2019, 06:36:40 PM
PW Insider reporting that Tony Schiavone has signed with AEW. Apparently WWE were also pursuing him, despite having no interest in him for decades.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 19, 2019, 06:43:38 PM
I thought he was committed to Starbucks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 19, 2019, 11:35:13 PM
PW Insider reporting that Tony Schiavone has signed with AEW. Apparently WWE were also pursuing him, despite having no interest in him for decades.
I've heard he's very good on MLW?

Last few years in general seem to have been a big Schiavone reappraisal, tbh I never got why he was hated on so much for a while there. Was it just because his voice was so synonymous with WCW in the absolute gutter?
Great voice too, like Howard Finkel or something, just one of those voices that are both perfect for what they're doing but also kind of unique.


Where does he fit in AEW though?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 19, 2019, 11:37:07 PM
AEW production will be fine (if you mean the actual production and not a euphemism for the whole show). They have had plenty of trial runs witht the PPVs and they have loads of people in production and behind the scenes who have done this stuff plenty of times before. They just need to keep it simple and make sure what that it works. And it literally can't be any worse than the WWE in ring production that is broadly unwatchable thanks to Kevin Dunn which is a style NXT producers are told to mimick.
I mean on the whole, All In had absolutely huge timing issues. The streams didn't drop and there weren't any big fuckups with audiovisual stuff bit the logistics side of things still seem like a potential concern.
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 19, 2019, 11:39:35 PM
Apparently Vince isn't at tonight's Raw, lemme know if it makes a difference guys
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Post by: Mobius on August 20, 2019, 09:24:18 AM
I think both shows have been less shit than usual for a few weeks now. Not sure if it's the new staff or threat of AEW but it's gotten somewhat better.

That Revival assisted RKO was great.

Braun and Seth tag champs then... I wonder if they'll get along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cesaro Vs Samoa Joe was a good match

And Vic Joseph is a great commentator and improved the show a lot

Not really feeling this Sasha heel turn. The audience don't care about Jim the Anvil Neidhart.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 20, 2019, 11:07:32 AM
Raw was actually pretty good. Although the tag title scene is a joke.

Becky’s promo was fantastic though. Orton and Revival partnership is great. And I enjoyed King trying to run away from The Fiend.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 20, 2019, 11:26:52 AM
And I enjoyed King trying to run away from The Fiend.

I like how he had the foresight to run away, but then he just stood on the ramp like a tit.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 20, 2019, 11:52:10 AM
I like how he had the foresight to run away, but then he just stood on the ramp like a tit.

TURN AROUND KING!!
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Post by: Deanjam on August 20, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
I still find Raw and SD a chore to sit through. The same people in the same positions doing the same things. The tag titles remain meaningless, nothing more than a prop to try to create interest in Seth vs Braun, a match that has no reason to exist. Sasha referencing Jim Niedhart being in Hell. Cesaro losing again. No one moving up the card, no fresh takes or ideas. The fascade of change.

Hopefully Bray will take the title from Seth.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 20, 2019, 02:30:30 PM
It's official, NXT moving to USA starting Wednesday 18th September: https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1163798690072596480

Apparently will still be available on the WWE Network the next day.
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Post by: cliggg on August 20, 2019, 02:43:54 PM
It's official, NXT moving to USA starting Wednesday 18th September: https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1163798690072596480

Apparently will still be available on the WWE Network the next day.
Debuting 2 weeks before AEW, Vince is looking to get the audience into NXT so they won't turn over to AEW.... until the NXT show is over at least then they can watch the AEW show they recorded.

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Post by: kitsofan34 on August 20, 2019, 06:31:20 PM
First off I'd like to state that whist I like AEW for the most part so far, I'm not a super fan and believe Cody Rhodes to be far and away the best of the group when it comes to "booking".

That being said I sincerely hope Wednesday Night Dynamite blows NXT out of the water. From the day Vince McMahon Jr. took over his father's company he's shown a clear intent to wipe any form of competition off the map. It's not good enough for him to be the biggest show in town, he wants to be the only show in town. Their entire co-opting of the indies shows a pathological urge to control everything, bringing everything under the WWE brand, creating global NXT "brands" (NXT UK, NXT Japan etc). It's just disgustingly greedy.

I wonder how Triple H feels about all this. Some of the stuff he's liked on social media in the past indicates he's at least aware of Vince's faults, if not actively agrees with them. HHH is a very keen political mover and it seems like he was biding his time, ingratiating himself into our good books with NXT, waiting till Vince passes away. Now his baby is getting taken away from him and likely morphed beyond recognition. But what can he do really, but nod and smile, waiting away...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on August 20, 2019, 06:45:50 PM
Debuting 2 weeks before AEW, Vince is looking to get the audience into NXT so they won't turn over to AEW.... until the NXT show is over at least then they can watch the AEW show they recorded.

The interesting thing with NXT is whether it will be allowed to be basically an extended version of the same show (which, if you watch it regularly ranges from absolutely brilliant to bang average - and the later way more often than the hype suggests) or whether they are going to go guns blazing from the off. If I was WWE the two things I would do is have a Takeover Level match on everyshow (A 30 minute barn burner for the last half hour - they got the depth of talent to change things up so it’s different everyweek) and bring in Shawn and William Regal as on screen characters. They don’t have to be crazed authority figures just have them there, booking the matches, helping get stories over to a new audience and giving it a bit of gravitas.

Anyone wanna bet me how long it will be till HHH is NXT champion? You know he’s thinking it.
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Post by: Mobius on August 20, 2019, 08:27:40 PM
It's great for the talent. Live TV + 2 hours is way better than the Network. But that also means lots of adverts..being welcomed back, shown segments again and again...

I suppose it'll be a third brand now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on August 20, 2019, 09:00:42 PM
The interesting thing with NXT is whether it will be allowed to be basically an extended version of the same show (which, if you watch it regularly ranges from absolutely brilliant to bang average - and the later way more often than the hype suggests) or whether they are going to go guns blazing from the off. If I was WWE the two things I would do is have a Takeover Level match on everyshow (A 30 minute barn burner for the last half hour - they got the depth of talent to change things up so it’s different everyweek) and bring in Shawn and William Regal as on screen characters. They don’t have to be crazed authority figures just have them there, booking the matches, helping get stories over to a new audience and giving it a bit of gravitas.

Anyone wanna bet me how long it will be till HHH is NXT champion? You know he’s thinking it.

Regal is an on-screen character. He doesn't appear all the time, but he's used in small doses (short backstage segments, contract signings), and it works really well.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 20, 2019, 10:16:55 PM
Regal is an on-screen character. He doesn't appear all the time, but he's used in small doses (short backstage segments, contract signings), and it works really well.

Aye. I just meant more of him. Or maybe other people like him in similar roles. But not HHH as I hate his benevolent Uncle high-five, Mr Nice Guy hugging Tegan Nox stuff (on screen I mean - off screen all the thumbs up obviously)

Who else is there behind the scenes?
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Post by: weekender on August 20, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
So Regal vs HHH for King In The Ring? 

Got it, thanks.
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Post by: Mobius on August 21, 2019, 06:58:32 AM
In case you didn't see it, Roman's attacker has been revealed

https://streamable.com/amohj
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Post by: cliggg on August 21, 2019, 09:28:55 AM
If I was WWE the two things I would do is have a Takeover Level match on everyshow (A 30 minute barn burner for the last half hour - they got the depth of talent to change things up so it’s different everyweek)
This is the most frustrating thing about WWE anyway, they could have at least 2 really good matches on every Raw & Smackdown but it's like Vince is determined to stop that from happening. Though to be fair the last few weeks have had some really good matches including from what I have read yesterdays Smackdown which I will watch today. There is no reason not to have good matches on their shows with the depth and quality of the roster, hopefully AEW has given them a kick up the arse and they are changing for the better.

Anyone wanna bet me how long it will be till HHH is NXT champion? You know he’s thinking it.
I think we are definitely going to see WWE wrestlers make heavily hyped appearances on NXT from the very start, wait for Raw to hear Michael Cole scream "See the tv debut of NXT featuring an appearance by THE BIG DOG ROMAN REIGNS!!!!".
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Post by: cliggg on August 21, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
In case you didn't see it, Roman's attacker has been revealed

https://streamable.com/amohj
I don't know if that was supposed to be funny or not but it gave me a good laugh, it's even funnier that they chose to end the show with it.
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Post by: Deanjam on August 21, 2019, 09:31:50 AM
Well that was lame. I presume it's just Bryan fucking with Reigns and he'll eventually be proven to be the attacker.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 21, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
Well that was lame. I presume it's just Bryan fucking with Reigns and he'll eventually be proven to be the attacker.

That is fucking hilarious.
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Post by: Mobius on August 21, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
It's pretty great. Bryan barely holding it together there. What a weird way to end the show. Roman staring at 2 Rowans. Presumably Roman just walked out satisfied with that.

Far too much Shane still.

Sami managing Shinsuke could be interesting. Probably not.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 21, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
This is the most frustrating thing about WWE anyway, they could have at least 2 really good matches on every Raw & Smackdown but it's like Vince is determined to stop that from happening. Though to be fair the last few weeks have had some really good matches including from what I have read yesterdays Smackdown which I will watch today. There is no reason not to have good matches on their shows with the depth and quality of the roster, hopefully AEW has given them a kick up the arse and they are changing for the better.[

Hmm. I would say of all the complaints that could be levelled at WWE, the match quality, for the most part, isn't one of them. They do tend to have a couple of really good matches per week. Last week's Smackdown had that excellent Reigns v Murphy match, and I also really enjoyed Charlotte v Ember from that same show. That's been the case for a while... Andrade v Rey and those gauntlet matches from earlier in the year with Kofi stand-out to me.

The problem is the lack of characters, the inconsistent storylines, the odd booking, and the reliance on old, tired tropes.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 21, 2019, 12:44:30 PM
Hmm. I would say of all the complaints that could be levelled at WWE, the match quality, for the most part, isn't one of them. They do tend to have a couple of really good matches per week. Last week's Smackdown had that excellent Reigns v Murphy match, and I also really enjoyed Charlotte v Ember from that same show. That's been the case for a while... Andrade v Rey and those gauntlet matches from earlier in the year with Kofi stand-out to me.

The problem is the lack of characters, the inconsistent storylines, the odd booking, and the reliance on old, tired tropes.

Broadly agree. Tbf this silly Roman story line is better because at least it gives them a storyline to set up the matches; that type of soap opera writing that feeds into matches is fine. It’s like how Lucha Underground worked without the supernatural stuff. For WWE to really nail it they need to them cross reference these stories to the type of matches.

On a simple level if someone is meant to be furious the matches should be short and brutal and not technical grappling matches; if someone is fucking with someone (like maybe Bryan is doing with Roman) the pay off should be a technical match where Bryan is constantly trying to outsmart Roman. I’m reminded of that run Okada had where it wasn’t enough to win but to win on the other guys terms (well that led to Shibata nearly dying but you know what I mean).

What that really should do is then lead to cage matches or no-DQ or whatever when the storyline requires it (and not just randomly).

Of course for all this to work out they need long term planning and not a maniac in charge who gets bored with storylines even before they appear on TV but it’s a start. That I can even imagine a good WWE is an improvement.
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Post by: cliggg on August 22, 2019, 09:05:55 AM
Seemingly this NXT TV deal is worth somewhere around $50,000,000 per year to WWE. They are already making lots more money from this than AEW will in their first 5 years if they last that long. There is no war, WWE have already won. The best I can hope for is that AEW survive and put on a good show and all WWE programming improves.
There is also talk of keeping Smackdown 2  hours long when they move channel but then have an hour of 205 Live or a wrap up show like Talking Smack. Apparently they have a 3 hour slot on the Friday nights so hopefully it won't become a 3 hour Smackdown.
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 22, 2019, 10:06:41 AM
hmm. don't know about the war being won. the battles might be won in terms of mid-term financial success. but right now WWE risk tunnelling under their own foundations with too much irrelevant content, overpaying middling talent just to stay, Saudi flirtation, XFL, an increasingly out of touch owner, and not making any real stars. it's a show without any cool factor whatsoever and is total herpes to advertisers. they won't die in 5 years but there's real Founder's Syndrome there.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 22, 2019, 11:04:43 AM
Yeah. Using money as a basis for who "wins" is nonsense. Shah Khan, Tony's father owns Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham. Just to put that into context before the Saudi money it was said Brock Lesnar was earning $3million a year. Let's assume that with the Saudi money and FOX/USA deals he is now on $10million a year. The Jaguars have 4 players on their roster who are earning +$10million a year and another 25 who earn more than $1million. Fulham have dropped out of the Premier League where the real big money is but they were paying 22 players over $1million a year. Shah Khah has $4billion to his name - money really isn't an issue.

It has been reported that AEW has a working budget and that they are still within that budget and that budget did not expect sold out shows at every event. Financially, for now they are doing just fine.

In fact I would be more concerned for WWE as what Vince has done with RAW and Smackdown is reach a level of financial success that reflects in the stock price. If this deal is not bettered next time round then that stock will come a tumbling. NXT is a gamble (though USA has relatively low ratings so should be fine) and the XFL is DESIGNED to leak money for the next 3 years. Vince has that cash for now but if NXT fails to draw, XFL is a flop and the Network continues to hemorage subscriptions then being a public company they could be in real trouble (eventually).

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The whole thing should be judged on the quality of their output. Are the shows good? Do we want to watch them? The idea of a "war" should be fun if it gets people watching wrestling but beyond that there is a great deal of hot air being blown.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on August 22, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
You only need to look at the Monday night wars to see why the amount of money being thrown around is irrelevant. No money could save WCW once Time Warner dropped Nitro and Thunder from TBS due to poor ratings.
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 22, 2019, 11:25:38 AM
right now I'm not sure I want to sit down and watch weekly 2hr shows of absolutely any wrestling. even if UWF arose from the grave with its 1989 roster i would be like "i'll wait to the ppv". actually no wait I'd watch Maeda crush soupcans all day.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 22, 2019, 01:15:40 PM
So, my lovely new home*, St Louis, is getting an XFL team. I guess I'll go and see at least one game?

The local alternative paper is having a laugh with the terrible name the team has been given, too.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2019/08/21/here-are-some-better-name-ideas-for-st-louis-new-xfl-team-the-battlehawks




* unbearably humid shithole, but whatever
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 22, 2019, 01:17:59 PM
the presser for the XFL team names was hilariously shit and weirdly homoerotic.

also Hawks are cool on their own, don't need to stick 'battle' on to make some sad point. that said I think the logos and names are mostly...fine.
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Post by: Deanjam on August 22, 2019, 01:54:05 PM
No idea why St Louis weren't called the Vipers to tie them to Randy Orton. Especially since they used it for Tampa.
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Post by: boki on August 22, 2019, 03:25:07 PM
weirdly homoerotic

That's Vinnie Mac for ya.
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 22, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
If Vince isn't planning on selling up in 3 years I'd be pretty surprised tbh, surely within WWE they must realise that the most recent round of deals has been down to a crazily fortunate environment. WWE as an independent entity seems like it'd be on really shakey ground for a few years from now. As a subsidiary of Fox or Universal or Disney or someone else, they'll be just fine.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 23, 2019, 01:18:57 AM
Becky and Seth engaged. Wonder if Vince will make them have the wedding in the ring on Raw.
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Post by: cliggg on August 23, 2019, 08:46:37 AM
Becky and Seth engaged. Wonder if Vince will make them have the wedding in the ring on Raw.
There has to be a live sex celebration first.
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Post by: Mobius on August 23, 2019, 09:04:42 AM
I’m stanning for Andrade and Charlotte
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Post by: Deanjam on August 23, 2019, 10:02:21 PM
Well this sucks for many reasons.

(https://i.ibb.co/z7Wdv7W/Screenshot-2019-08-23-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 23, 2019, 10:04:00 PM
I was worried that was going to happen after Meltzer mentioned he was suffering from an elbow injury the other day. Terrible timing.
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 23, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
PAC replaces
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 23, 2019, 11:06:29 PM
Sucks about Mox, but PAC v Omega will be ace.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 25, 2019, 06:15:08 PM
While I enjoy the 24/7 Championship shenanigans, and Drake Maverick having a prominent role, the "I haven't consummated my marriage" joke got old after like the second mention of it. WWE really love to hammer at the same punchline like an excited child that has just made the grown ups laugh.
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 27, 2019, 09:28:03 PM
Does anyone else find that youtube RELENTLESSLY pushes that Wrestling With Regret channel on them? I'm a Between the Sheets and Lapsed Fan listener, so that channel is horribly lacking in new detail for me, the presenter guy is horrifically unfunny too. I repeatedly flag them as not interested but it keeps coming...
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 27, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
Does anyone else find that youtube RELENTLESSLY pushes that Wrestling With Regret channel on them? I'm a Between the Sheets and Lapsed Fan listener, so that channel is horribly lacking in new detail for me, the presenter guy is horrifically unfunny too. I repeatedly flag them as not interested but it keeps coming...

It must be what you watching. I don't know how YouTube algorithms work but all I get is Grammerly and it is enought to want to find out Mr Grammerly and throw him (it's bound to be a him) and throw him and his analytical interface into the fucking Sun.

Take it everyone has stopped watching Raw then. I have. So have this instead. PC legit fucked his face up and needed 17 stitches to his forehead. "Oh what for? Must have been worth it!" I hear you ask. Nope

https://twitter.com/BodyslamNet/status/1165400915257565184?s=20

Daft cunt. I genuinely think he has some terminal illness and has months to live. Can't be any other explanation. The daft cunt.

Edit: just realised there is a hard cam angle of it that is geniuely funny as fuck.

https://twitter.com/NhatHoangRBLX/status/1165404319585361920

If that isn't the most GIF-able thing I have seen in years I don't know what is.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 27, 2019, 11:29:04 PM
I skimmed through Raw. Vince really hates tag team wrestling doesn't he? Not only are the tag champions a thrown together team, but now so are the number one contenders too. They couldn't even be bothered to give a short backstage segment to explain Ziggler and Roode teaming up. It was just... these fuckers are a team now, deal with it while they beat the entire tag division in one night.
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 27, 2019, 11:46:57 PM
Jesus, I forgot Raw was on last night! Hearing Vince has tore up the script for Smackdown tonight
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 28, 2019, 02:51:51 AM
If anyone ever doubts Bayley’s in ring skill, she just got a really solid match out of Lacey Evans. (Evans did well too to be fair, but Bayley took the lead there).
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on August 28, 2019, 08:07:06 AM
Gable vs. Benjamin is every bit the clinic you’d expect it to be. Wonderful stuff.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 28, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
All the matches on Smackdown were enjoyable actually. Ali versus Murphy was every bit as good as you'd expect, and Big E whooping Orton was great.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 28, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
I saw the Ali match and it was decent. Tempted back in by these King of the Ring matches. Will keep closer eye next week。

Have a little bit of extra time now having given up on Cornette. Even though I don't agree with this Young Bucks rant from a couple a weeks ago I thought it was funny (in it's nonsense stupidity) but his doubling down on Jordynne Grace is just pathetic. The obvious bullying aspect would enough for me to switch anyone off normally but with Cornette it is always a fine line with what you can put up with from him but him calling out for her wrestling is just stupid. The Impact Women's division is very good at the moment and she is a big part of that so it's obvious Cornette is just playing up his gimmick to his sycophantic followers. The fact that it is he who is like Trump preaching to his selected audience of arse-kissers is totally lost on him.

Just another Hillary loving centrist who has lost his mind.

And Brian Last can go fuck himself. Toadying cunt.
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Post by: Utter Shit on August 28, 2019, 01:06:32 PM
If anyone ever doubts Bayley’s in ring skill, she just got a really solid match out of Lacey Evans. (Evans did well too to be fair, but Bayley took the lead there).

You forgot to mention that it produced one of the funniest moments of the year!

https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/1166668660162879488
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 28, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
You forgot to mention that it produced one of the funniest moments of the year!

https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/1166668660162879488

You talk too much... you never shut up!
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Post by: boki on August 28, 2019, 05:14:26 PM
Does anyone else find that youtube RELENTLESSLY pushes that Wrestling With Regret channel on them?

I'm subscribed to the channel, so I'd expect to see it pop up in my recommended vids, so I'm probably no use to you here.  I really like Brian's work and personality, but I can see how it wouldn't be to everyone's tastes.  WwW's one of the more successful wrestling channels, so it stands to reason that YT would shove it at you a fair bit.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 28, 2019, 05:15:11 PM
I wrote about AEW's All Out, for those interested: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28843987/aew-all-out-all-elite-wrestling-2019-matches-predictions-wwe/
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 28, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
I wrote about AEW's All Out, for those interested: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28843987/aew-all-out-all-elite-wrestling-2019-matches-predictions-wwe/

Good article that. Made me more interested in the show than I was. Cheers
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Post by: Osmium on August 28, 2019, 07:02:44 PM
I don't think Aja will be making the AEW show.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDjXElUwAEqoUR.jpg)
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Post by: bgmnts on August 28, 2019, 07:05:14 PM
I dont care for wrestling much but I do want to marry the fuck out of Asuka.

Carry on.
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Post by: Mobius on August 29, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Same but Io.

Keith Lee and Dominik Dijakovic was cracking.

Rhea Ripley to finally dethrone Shaun’s hopefully
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 29, 2019, 11:27:00 PM
Anyone going to the NJPW show? Any idea how long it'll be?
Haven't gotten a ticket still but I'll probably pick one up from somewhere or another tomorrow or Saturday.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 29, 2019, 11:51:06 PM
Anyone going to the NJPW show? Any idea how long it'll be?
Haven't gotten a ticket still but I'll probably pick one up from somewhere or another tomorrow or Saturday.

Doors 4pm, show starts at 6pm. Finish by 10pm. We'll be there in first row of the bleachers. I can't fucking wait. Got 4th row seats for Rev Pro tomorrow night and I am fucking fucking excited as fucking fuck. It's going to be utterely ace.

The only thing that could could spoil Copper Box is chanting dickheads but I am already happy to accept that as it's a UK show I will just have to put up with it. I suspect KENTA is beating Ishii which will be a bit of a crowd killer but live in hope that the insane happens and Suzuki beats Okada for the title. I am 99.9% convinced it ain't happening but if it does (it really won't) I genuinely think it would be the biggest pop of any wrestling show ever. When ZSJ beat Okada in Altrincham the noise was something else (Okada was in his non-title phase) and Okada got huge cheers but Suzuki and Ishii were the most over by a some margin (Suzuki beat Ishii in the most awesome strong style main event). If I was Gedo I would have Suzuki win at Copper Box and Okada (tired from the G1) crush him in October but understand why they wouldn't do that.

I AM FUCKING EXCITED. Did I mention that?

I'll post photos from my Twitter on here as we go so don't go slagging off the real me please. :)
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Post by: Deanjam on August 29, 2019, 11:55:50 PM
I would also love Suzuki to win the IWGP title but they protect that belt like nothing else, and since we've already had 4 different champions in 2019 I don't see another change.




But it would be amazing
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Post by: mikeyg27 on August 30, 2019, 12:07:22 AM
Doors 4pm, show starts at 6pm. Finish by 10pm.

This is correct, right? Because all the ticket sites say this but the official NJPW site (https://www.njpw1972.com/tornament/44497?showCards=1) says 5.30pm start, and it affects my meeting up with the person I'm going with.

I'm hyped as fuck. I mildly regret not getting RevPro tickets but given the potential for me to go on a spending spree at the merch stall it's probably for the best. I may end up scouring Twickets tomorrow anyway.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 30, 2019, 07:36:54 AM
Well spotted. Dark matches? Pre-show? Rev Pro just announced a pre-show for tonight so guessing that there will be one for Copper Box too. Oh well. I plan on turning up about 4pm anyway and just pottering about.
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Post by: mikeyg27 on August 30, 2019, 08:40:37 AM
NJPW website says doors are 3.30pm for a 5.30pm start but every other site says 4pm for 6pm, so I think they just have the time wrong.
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Post by: madhair60 on August 30, 2019, 08:47:15 AM
Anyone going to the NJPW show? Any idea how long it'll be?
Haven't gotten a ticket still but I'll probably pick one up from somewhere or another tomorrow or Saturday.

I'm going :) Cheap seats but apparently all the seats are good.

This is actually my first wrestling show. My first wrestling show and it's fucking Naito and Okada. Christ.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 30, 2019, 10:14:56 PM
I am 99.9% convinced it ain't happening but if it does (it really won't) I genuinely think it would be the biggest pop of any wrestling show ever.

Until CM Punk turns up at All Out in Chicago later that day. ;)
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 31, 2019, 12:05:44 AM
Well that was a total pleasure. Lots of little highlights.

My view wasn’t too bad.

https://twitter.com/massivesausages/status/1167573988090032129?s=21

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Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 31, 2019, 12:24:33 AM
Until CM Punk turns up at All Out in Chicago later that day. ;)

What time is his interview tomorrow btw?
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 31, 2019, 12:57:15 AM
What time is his interview tomorrow btw?

12pm according to the Starrcast website. So should be 5pm UK time.
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Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 31, 2019, 01:59:41 AM
The Rev Pro show tonight was excellent. Possibly a little over the top at the end, but fun. The six man match was great.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 31, 2019, 02:02:42 AM
So according to wrestling twitter the Rev Pro show was a disaster and everyone stormed out. What with that and being sat next to utter dicks of varying persuasions I’m remembering why I loved Mania week with a FITE TV account and independent wrestling subscriptions. I have heard so much attempted stingers today to last me a lifetime; surrounded by total patter vacuums.

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Post by: hummingofevil on August 31, 2019, 02:03:28 AM
The Rev Pro show tonight was excellent. Possibly a little over the top at the end, but fun. The six man match was great.

Don’t read Twitter then. It was a disaster don’t you know! Fucking idiots man. I very much enjoyed it.
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Post by: peanutbutter on August 31, 2019, 02:25:55 PM
Looking around at various views from the stadium, surely a good angle from the upper bowl is better than the floor? Assuming the floor results in tons of standing and looking around other people's heads. I guess you lose a lot of the atmosphere but still...
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 31, 2019, 02:39:47 PM
We were on very back row at last year’s show and it was fun to get an overview of everything. But last night being right up close to Suzuki and ZSJ in particular was a total treat. There is so much little detail to what they do that you don’t pick up on a TV. Probably never get that close to them again so was total privilege.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 31, 2019, 04:55:50 PM
Cesaro has arrived in Cardiff to issue an Open Challenge at TakeOver tonight.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 31, 2019, 08:16:04 PM
Fantastic NXT UK tag title match. Cesaro v Dragonov was great too.
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Post by: Ja'moke on August 31, 2019, 09:57:46 PM
Bate v WALTER. Damnnn. That was ace.
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Post by: madhair60 on August 31, 2019, 10:09:01 PM
Royal Quest was fucking fit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: gmoney on August 31, 2019, 10:53:17 PM
Aye, Royal Quest was great. Only match I didn't think much of was the Sabre Jr match. Everything was good to great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on August 31, 2019, 11:03:51 PM
My only problem was that the person I was going with didn't turn up until literally just after the British Title match, so I had to try and watch that match on the concourse without getting moved on by security. It did mean I caught a spectacular view of the end of it, though. Oh, and why the fuck wasn't the merch stall selling baseball caps? I was absolutely going to buy a LIJ hat.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on August 31, 2019, 11:33:10 PM
Going alone was a bit weird but that was pretty fun, especially for the dirt cheap price I got my ticket!
Was Kenta injured at the end there? He definitely struggled getting up onto a turnbuckle at one point.



All Out starts when? 1am?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on September 01, 2019, 01:47:20 AM
KENTA looked concussed for sure

Luchasaurus is a lot of fun.

Women’s Royale was pretty crap. Really shit camera work didn’t help
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 01, 2019, 05:08:25 AM
ALL OUT was pretty great, I thought.

Young Bucks vs. Lucha Bros was completely insane. Cody vs. Spears was good but not quite great. Cody needs to be careful about not becoming Jeff Jarrett and having every match of his be an overbooked mess. He also needs to not bring his dog to the stage when pyro is about to go off. Poor Pharaoh was beside himself.

Omega vs. PAC was brilliant, save for an unfortunate botch at the end. I thought Jericho vs. Hangman was very, very good but maybe slightly too long as it seemed to lose the crowd in parts. I think part of that was that people weren't buying or not wanting Hangman to win so his near-falls didn't garner much heat.

Bring on the TV show.

Now to catch up on NJPW Royal Quest and it also seems as if I have to track down WALTER vs. Tyler Bate.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 01, 2019, 08:13:03 AM
Totally didnt expect it beforehand but I found NXT Takeover UK to be the most entertainint show of the weekend.

And yes. Cody has to stop bringing his dog.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 01, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
Copper Box was awesome. Brilliant venue, brilliant show and real shame if there were technical issues on the FITE stream.

Okada Suzuki was something else. Every single person in that room knew Okada was winning but for a moment Suzuki had us believing otherwise. It was immense. The first Rainmaker set up getting universal boos was amazing. I could write so much about this match but for now I’ll just say probably the best match I’ve ever seen in person.

The rest ranged from good to very, very good. Ishii-Kenta all went a bit weird after a stiff looking headbut spot (I am reading Kenta was concussed, which, if so didn’t stop them hitting each other in the head another dozen times each including what sounded like Kenya just clean punching Ishii in the mouth). Bullet Club run was fine as if Ishii has to lose at least have him get destroyed but he is still my favourite wrestler in the whole world.

Of the rest ZSJ-Tana with title belt change was good but ZSJ’s style doesn’t translate as well in bigger room (there were no live screens) even though his personality certainly does. Anti-Brexit and Boris Johnson chants were funny enough in own right; fact they actively pissed off two young Tory boys sat next to me was just a bonus.

Osprey Eagles phantasmo El-P was incredible for what it was. What this weekend has made me realise is how much Osprey is capable for taking his vast moveset and rather than just ploughing through them, he is trying to apply them at points where they make the most sense. It’s properly awesome to watch. His running between the ropes is something else. One of my wrestling bucket list things is to see Osprey Shingo do Shingo’s lariat spot in person. The speed he gets coming off the ropes is something else.

As for the rest there were excellent bits in every match. The show just flew by and I got myself a t-shirt. Only real regret was not talking to Ishii in York Hall when he was stood around by himself at merch table looking sad and lonely.

Awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on September 01, 2019, 10:48:45 AM
Aye, Royal Quest was great. Only match I didn't think much of was the Sabre Jr match. Everything was good to great.

I would have put them on before Ishii personally, that felt like a booking misstep.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 01, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Great to read that you both enjoyed the show so much!!!!
At the last minute I couldnt go. Hopefully another chance another year.

NXT Takeover was great. Cesaro Challenge was amazing, the tag match was good and the WALTER match was the match of the weekend imo.

I didnt really enjoy AEW. The first half of the PPV was meh. It was too long. Quite poor production values. Wrong nameplates, audible production callouts. JR just doesnt have it anymore. It almost feels like they are squandering all the hype that Omega had. His match with Pac was alright but Id rather seen him in the title match instead of Page. The Cody match was almost WCW like with the interferences and Dillinger doesnt do much for me. Not to mention poor Pharaoh and the bizarre entrance. Brandi should have walked back with the dog. The ladder match was insane but I dont really enjoy the Bucks.

And the main event was disappointing. Jericho is great on mic but I dont enjoy his matches anymore, him kicking out of Page finisher sucked and his new finisher is absolutely abysmal. No title celebration for the first win felt off.

Still looking forward to the TV show but every ppv declined in quality imo.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on September 01, 2019, 12:06:11 PM
Cody's work up till now has been really impressive. His feud with his brother, the natural progression into them working as a tag team, his match with Darby, the subtle "good hand" storytelling with Spears. All really good and indicated he had a knack for this booking lark. The build up to his match with Spears was also impeccable. Cody was so incensed, so disgusted by Spears that he had Brandi speak for him, basically went AWOL and during the contract signing, refused to even acknowledge Spears or look him in the eyes.

So, all that being said, why, why would you cosplay to this insanely personal match against one of your oldest friends as Jean Luc Picard? Just bird brained stuff.

It'll be interesting to see the dynamics the commentary team have as AEW progresses. Most three person teams have an antagonistic figure, WWE of course have Corey Graves. WCW had Heenan. But none of AEW's commentary team (Goldenboy, JR, Schiavone, Excalibur, Mahrez) could fill that spot. I suppose they'll continue for now in a more neutral, sports style presentation.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on September 01, 2019, 12:24:42 PM
Walking to the ring to end my intensely personal blood feud dressed in my Jar Jar Binks cosplay suit
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 01, 2019, 12:25:02 PM
I really enjoyed JR on commentary last night. He actually made me laugh a few times. “Good job Darby, have a biscuit.”
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 01, 2019, 12:42:48 PM
Walter-Bate was more NXT main event unearned overkill. Another Exploder Suplex is it Tyler.

Not seen AEW or Royal Quest yet.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 01, 2019, 06:20:15 PM
I really enjoyed JR on commentary last night. He actually made me laugh a few times. “Good job Darby, have a biscuit.”

Two things I have learned this weekend is that 1. wrestling fans moaning on line does not necessarily give a fair reflection of any objective quality of a match, show or promotion and 2. Jim Ross really needs to up his game if AEW is to succeed. Maybe it’s unfair to put him in a position to commentate on match styles he is unfamiliar with but his Joshi and death match commentary is really not very good at all. The deathmatch is funny because whilst I appreciate that match was fun, it really was a load of nonsense so him not knowing how to call it adds to manic feel. But If they have positioned Riho as a potential top star he at least needs to use her fucking name in commentary (and not make comments that constantly undermine her). It’s really not good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 01, 2019, 06:25:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see the dynamics the commentary team have as AEW progresses. Most three person teams have an antagonistic figure, WWE of course have Corey Graves. WCW had Heenan. But none of AEW's commentary team (Goldenboy, JR, Schiavone, Excalibur, Mahrez) could fill that spot. I suppose they'll continue for now in a more neutral, sports style presentation.
JR as a heel of sorts?


Is the relative lack of AEW talk here just because we had not one but two shows at normal times for once or did AEW's build and hype just totally fall apart without the Moxley match?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 01, 2019, 07:12:19 PM
JR as a heel of sorts?


Is the relative lack of AEW talk here just because we had not one but two shows at normal times for once or did AEW's build and hype just totally fall apart without the Moxley match?

I haven’t finished watching it is my excuse. Also, having watched all of G1 and now NJPW live i want an alternative to US style sports entertainment and am happy with my brand. :) I’m off home in a bit to watch rest of show and will report back. Also worth mentioning that there was literally zero comments on RAW on here this week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 01, 2019, 08:00:18 PM
I was watching was All Out live with friends, hence the lack of live commenting in the thread. But I really enjoyed the show. Still some rough patches, mainly involving production, and it was stupid to bring Cody's dog to the ring when he had pyro for the entrance. Overall though, it was a fun event, a bit of everything which I really like. Technical stuff, hardcore, joshi, spot fests, etc.

Nothing on the show topped WALTER v Bate for me though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on September 02, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
Nothing on the show topped WALTER v Bate for me though.

Or the tag match. Every match at All Out could've done with a five minute trim, but they were generally good. Nothing really jumped into great, though (the closest was the tag match, but seeing one of the Bucks nearly decapitate himself on the table took the shine off a bit).

Takeover Cardiff had its moments: Cesaro got to put on a clinic, the Tag match was great and WALTER vs Bate would've been best match of the day on almost any other day of the year, but seeing Okada vs Suzuki in person was truly, truly special.

One other note on Royal Quest: I was taken aback by the margin by which Los Ingobernables de Japon were the most repped stable merch in the crowd. I know they're by far the most popular in Japan, but I expected all the westerners to be Bullet Club (and you're far more likely to see a BC shirt at a non-NJPW show) and yet it wasn't even close.

Only real regret was not talking to Ishii in York Hall when he was stood around by himself at merch table looking sad and lonely.

Now I'm pissed off that I didn't get a ticket to RevPro because 1) I could've talked to Ishii 2) I could've gotten merch without queueing for half an hour in a B.O. scrum.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: An Actual Propeller on September 02, 2019, 01:40:38 AM
Now I'm pissed off that I didn't get a ticket to RevPro because 1) I could've talked to Ishii 2) I could've gotten merch without queueing for half an hour in a B.O. scrum.

The B.O. was plentiful at the RevPro show mind. T’was a humid day and because our fellow wrestling fan brothers don’t know how to wash, it fucking stank.

Live experience of both RevPro and NJPW shows was ruined by close proximity to arsehole fans with relentless shit crack. Shoutout to the person in Lower Bowl 111, seat 91. The shithead.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 02, 2019, 02:30:50 AM
Now I'm pissed off that I didn't get a ticket to RevPro because 1) I could've talked to Ishii 2) I could've gotten merch without queueing for half an hour in a B.O. scrum.

To be fair you would have had to learn Japanese first as he didn't speak a word of English. The really sad thing is I have been since January and whilst I am still very much at beginner, beginner level I know I could have at least said hello and bought some merch from him and ask for a photo but I totally bottled it. Will regret that forever. Hopefully he will be back next year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 02, 2019, 02:32:34 AM
Here are my thoughts on the second half of AEW show. In summary, I thought it was fucking excellent on balance.


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I was being a bit harsh on JR before. Having spent best part of 10 hours watching live wrestling without commentary mere presence of the commentary was annoying me but the issue is more the fact that there was constant commentary than JR being particularly bad. He was trying to give context and whilst “little lady” is annoying if does make sense setting up the title match. I do think as a commentary team they are talking too much and hate how WWE teams seem to need to talk constantly. Need to let it all breathe a bit more but the problem was a much me I think. It felt much better as show went on but maybe that was just be getting my ear into the experience. As much as I hate Vince's approach to commentary I do think there is a spot for heel commentator in AEW. Stick MJF in the booth for certain matches and it could be complete gold - maybe he is less the new Piper and more the new Heenan.



I’ve started watching again from the Best Friends match. It was fine I suppose and as someone who doesn’t like Orange Cassidy that debut was fun.

Enjoyed the women’s match even more on second watch. The Riho win makes sense but I hope they have big plans for Hikaru moving forward too as think she is ace. Also it’s the littlest things but I much prefer Nyla Rose’s look with her hair down; she should wrestle without her headband on and needs a new outfit to make her feel more like a star but that is a start.



What the fuck was that Cody entrance? Poor dog. Total HHH vibes. Is it a rib? Is it meant to be a pisstake on him and Steph or is he working himself into a shoot and taking these entrances seriously? Brother. Ha ha. Entertaining though. Loved that tope to start and I would have just had that brawl continue for fairly short heated proper scrap but as it went on they sucked me in and I did like all the schenangians. Tully was ace.

(Also can’t wait to see how this MJF thing develops - it’s fine maintaining his character by being a genuinely obnoxious prick to fans but when they start cheering him for it he either going to have to double down hard to make himself unpopular or AEW is left with a top star who is being mysogynistic and taking the piss out of people for being disabled on Twitter - would love to see his reaction to an attempted mainstream cancelling - count me in for the ride either way).



Put me in the middle group of people who totally who can totally see Timothy’s point about not getting The Young Bucks at times as far as wrestling - and find their reputation for being funny, entertaining characters deeply over exaggerated - but also very much admire their commitment to being fucking maniacs so they get a free pass everytime. As for the match actually really like the coordinated mirror spots in this and the commentary team did a really good job of explaining it (as trying to dare each other to do increasingly mad shit). If you going to be a high-spot spot-monkeys then at least try to be the best of it. Loved that match.

(LAX are a great addition to roster.  I urge you all to watch the LAX Rock N Roll Express match from Mania week if you can find it - it is one of the sweetest - in the “oh bless” not “SWEEEETTTT” sense - matches I have ever seen).



As for the main event I just don’t like Adam Page and Jericho’s current incarnation falls into being laughably shit for me but I do actually laugh as well as thinking is shit. He wants us not to like him and I don’t so he is doing his job but not really liking Page I didn’t get into the match so much as wanted the heel to win (I fucking hate wrestling crowds who cheer heels unless it is Daniel Bryan who is a lifetime face to me) Result is absolutely the right thing to do moving forward and I look forward how they going to do this.

Special mention to Aubrey who is a fucking excellent wrestling referee and has an equally strong Twitter game.



In summary, despite having plenty of reservations about aspects of AEW there is so much more ace stuff than shit on these shows and the one strength I really think they have is the middling stuff is so varied it is almost always at least really entertaining even when it isn’t great. I like AEW more after this show than I did before.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 02, 2019, 02:33:55 AM
The B.O. was plentiful at the RevPro show mind. T’was a humid day and because our fellow wrestling fan brothers don’t know how to wash, it fucking stank.

Live experience of both RevPro and NJPW shows was ruined by close proximity to arsehole fans with relentless shit crack. Shoutout to the person in Lower Bowl 111, seat 91. The shithead.

"Don't back down..."
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 02, 2019, 03:43:18 AM
Walter Tyler Bate was good but suffered from me not following NXT UK. When Walter beat Dunne I was so excited for a Walter Bate match but kinda forgot NXT UK existed so didn't feel so invested in it. I was pretty bored by the first 15 minutes where nothing much happens (and is a tool to get EPIC 40 minute matches) but I suspect the same could be said about most Okada matches so it's an observation not a criticism.

I don't really like chanting crowds but if that your thing and you NXT UK fan I can see how that was ace. Fact that we had that match and Okada Suzuki both taking place at pretty much the same time in UK to packed out audiences is fucking cool.

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My final hot take from this weekend is that whilst there are myriad ways of doing pro-wrestling the one thing I will never ever get bored of and love more than anything else in the whole world is just two people chopping and belting each other really hard. The sound of those Suzuki forearms is just the best. Most wrestlers have two sounds when hitting each other - the hard slap or a dull thud; Suzuki seems to get this different timbre when they really connect that clicks like clacking two wood blocks together. As someone who is very much not a fighting man I have no idea how this doesn't genuinely injure people (I am in no doubt that it fucking hurts) but it is something else.

Thumbs up all round. What a time to be a fan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 02, 2019, 03:55:48 AM
And the main event was disappointing. Jericho is great on mic but I dont enjoy his matches anymore, him kicking out of Page finisher sucked and his new finisher is absolutely abysmal.

I wanted to agree with you on this but thought it was the highlight of the match. It's classic Jericho. Take something a bit shit and make it work. I thought the way he landed it in the context was totally believable and that it really worked. The lack of ceremony around post-match was fine too as they need to keep Jericho as outsider.

One final, final thing I would add is that any worries that we had that AEW would struggle with The Elite being top stars and bookers has been addressed. Kenny has intentionally been pushed down the rankings (like Daniel Bryan he has so much good will in hand that it is not a problem to the fans - to the casuals who might tune in because they have heard his name mentioned as "best wrestler in the world" it's maybe more of an issue but you could easily argue that just gives a bigger rub to PAC) - and Kenny is way better when he is chasing. Cody is doing his own thing and they have established a very intriguing dynamic around him where he could easily go heel or face depending on the feud and I would argue that the Lucha Brothers are even more over than The Bucks at the moment. The addition of LAX as heels is a great touch as that means that as The Bucks and Lucha Brothers separate now they can both remain popular without any forced heel turn.

The great thing about NJPW (and pretty much all wresting promotions ever apart from current WWE) is that they can attempt storylines that last years and not rush everything. Christ, AEW even managed to add a new layer to the Tully-Arn dynamic that has been going on decades so we don't need to worry if The Elite aren't being pushed as title holders straight off. On that level it is all good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 02, 2019, 12:08:13 PM
Jericho's post-match promo in the locker room is some classic Jericho shit: https://streamable.com/54i6k
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 02, 2019, 12:22:07 PM
As for the rest there were excellent bits in every match. The show just flew by and I got myself a t-shirt. Only real regret was not talking to Ishii in York Hall when he was stood around by himself at merch table looking sad and lonely.

Awesome.

I did once (couple of years ago) and got a pic where he didn't change expression. Just looked pissed off. Perfect.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: An Actual Propeller on September 02, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
"Don't back down..."

Thankfully diabetes will get him before my hands do.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 02, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
Cesaro vs Small Russian Man was amazing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 02, 2019, 08:15:31 PM
I've been catching up a bit.

Walter vs Bate was awesome.

Can't think of much else to say, I don't do negativity.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 03, 2019, 11:10:09 AM
Loved the heel turn on Raw.

Also Corbin v Cedric was really good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on September 03, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
Loved the heel turn on Raw.

Who turned heel
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 03, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
Who turned heel

Bayley joined Sasha in beating the shite out of Becky. It was good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 03, 2019, 11:30:39 AM
Who turned heel

Bayley, because we don't already have enough heels apparently.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on September 03, 2019, 11:31:03 AM
Bayley? Heel? Are they quite well?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 03, 2019, 11:38:35 AM
Bayley, because we don't already have enough heels apparently.

I think Charlotte may go face and help Becky.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 03, 2019, 12:41:12 PM
Copper Box show is up on New Japan World. Only additional comments is that ZSJ Tanahashi is better on TV, Okada Suzuki is still absolutely awesome and the KENTA match should definitely have been stopped. From where we were sat it was hard to see exactly what was going on but it was clear as day in the ring. NJPW needs to up their game on this shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 03, 2019, 01:37:05 PM
I absolutely love the FireFly Funhouse.

That's all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: An Actual Propeller on September 03, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Copper Box show is up on New Japan World. Only additional comments is that ZSJ Tanahashi is better on TV, Okada Suzuki is still absolutely awesome and the KENTA match should definitely have been stopped. From where we were sat it was hard to see exactly what was going on but it was clear as day in the ring. NJPW needs to up their game on this shit.

Can you hear the ragu-ridden shithead who kept on shouting shit on the broadcast?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 03, 2019, 01:54:46 PM
Can you hear the ragu-ridden shithead who kept on shouting shit on the broadcast?

The crowd sound good on the broadcast but no particular individual being heard over the mass. Good reactions to what is going on. The sound quality on the English commentary is annoying but the Japanese commentary sounds fine.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: An Actual Propeller on September 03, 2019, 02:31:06 PM
The crowd sound good on the broadcast but no particular individual being heard over the mass. Good reactions to what is going on. The sound quality on the English commentary is annoying but the Japanese commentary sounds fine.

Sweet.  Would be good if there were subtitles to see whether the Japanese commentary explains the "if you hate Boris Johnson clap your hands" chants.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 03, 2019, 09:48:23 PM
Someone stole Jericho's new AEW title...

(https://external-preview.redd.it/mcvHp096gU67HbmuZ1NVqiH-CEeyTjn3R32tzIw0kLM.jpg?width=917&auto=webp&s=05a3dd09fd819da12dccc50cfb73770a1adf9f03)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 03, 2019, 10:34:56 PM
This is like a story you'd hear from the territory days.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: petrilTanaka on September 03, 2019, 10:48:03 PM
and so utterly perfect for Jericho of all people too
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 12:28:08 AM
Sweet.  Would be good if there were subtitles to see whether the Japanese commentary explains the "if you hate Boris Johnson clap your hands" chants.

It was picked up on the English commentary.

The exact quotes from two Tory wobblers sat next to me after the Brexit chant:

"There is no need for that is there?"

"There is no place for it in entertainment."

"That's what he's like though isn't he?" (ZSJ)

"I think it is just his gimmick... but it's why I don't follow him on Twitter."

Both shake heads. Absolute roasters. But they were talking before the event about how much they are looking forward to Shibata's match with KENTA at Wrestle Kingdom so hopefully it's not just the Brexit implosion that they are going to be disappointed by.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 02:37:45 AM
Just catching the end of Smackdown for the Aleister Black match and whilst the editing is still a pain in the arse there are some fucking cool as fuck camera angles in the production. Has someone had a word? The hard camera stuff in particular looks properly cool. Credit where it is due.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 04, 2019, 02:42:18 AM
Jericho is a gift: https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1169041443723329538?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 03:31:34 AM
Jericho is a gift: https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1169041443723329538?s=20

Agreed. Everything points to this being legit (I am assuming the police report doing the rounds is legit) but they have stumbled across some comedy gold either way.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 04, 2019, 03:37:32 AM
Yeah, when the Jericho story broke my first thought was: "Oh no, how embarrassing and what a way to get actual heat from your new peers and colleagues" but he's almost instantly turned it into a positive. Sure, it'll cost the company money to make another belt (they do already have a duplicate, thankfully) but now they have a bizarre story which they're running with. Jericho is cutting awesome promos and, if they chose, they could turn this into an actual angle with a wrestler on the AEW roster revealed as stealing the belt.

Also, the "A little bit of bubbly" memes kicking around are glorious: Lou Bega "A Little Bit Of The Bubbly No. 5" (https://twitter.com/JackLayzell/status/1168959901886013440)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 03:38:15 AM
BTW I have been back and watched the NXT UK show and whilst it is a very mixed bag (and the crowd annoy me - though they undoubtably add to the show when it really kicks in) when it peaks it is fucking ace - I am sure everyone there loved it and good luck to them. And whilst on here, and the internet in general, I think most people are trying to moderate their who-is-best arguments I think the one thing that is missing from the discussion is that there were three shows in one day that were all very, very good to great and none of them had any input from Vince.

That is the real story here. Wrestling is ace at the moment. From AEW to NXT to NJPW to Impact to Beyond to MLW to DDT/NJPW to AAA to Sendai Girls....to Bloodsports to.... etc. isn't it weird how pretty much EVERY wrestling show we watch is at least good-on-it's-own-terms but there is one obvious blot on the landscape where a certain person puts on shows that are great at best but are often utter tripe. It's Vince. Nothing more, nothing less.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 03:39:11 AM
Yeah, when the Jericho story broke my first thought was: "Oh no, how embarrassing and what a way to get actual heat from your new peers and colleagues" but he's almost instantly turned it into a positive. Sure, it'll cost the company money to make another belt (they do already have a duplicate, thankfully) but now they have a bizarre story which they're running with. Jericho is cutting awesome promos and, if they chose, they could turn this into an actual angle with a wrestler on the AEW roster revealed as stealing the belt.

Also, the "A little bit of bubbly" memes kicking around are glorious: Lou Bega "A Little Bit Of The Bubbly No. 5" (https://twitter.com/JackLayzell/status/1168959901886013440)

It is an open goal for him to bring back his old stuff too. "You just made the list" has a new life.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 04, 2019, 08:34:59 AM
BTW I have been back and watched the NXT UK show and whilst it is a very mixed bag (and the crowd annoy me - though they undoubtably add to the show when it really kicks in) when it peaks it is fucking ace - I am sure everyone there loved it and good luck to them. And whilst on here, and the internet in general, I think most people are trying to moderate their who-is-best arguments I think the one thing that is missing from the discussion is that there were three shows in one day that were all very, very good to great and none of them had any input from Vince.

That is the real story here. Wrestling is ace at the moment. From AEW to NXT to NJPW to Impact to Beyond to MLW to DDT/NJPW to AAA to Sendai Girls....to Bloodsports to.... etc. isn't it weird how pretty much EVERY wrestling show we watch is at least good-on-it's-own-terms but there is one obvious blot on the landscape where a certain person puts on shows that are great at best but are often utter tripe. It's Vince. Nothing more, nothing less.

Raw and Smackdown have been pretty good the last few weeks. Since the KOTR started.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: spanky on September 04, 2019, 08:46:45 AM
Jericho pouring out a glass and then necking the bottle is perfect.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 04, 2019, 12:13:38 PM
Jericho pouring out a glass and then necking the bottle is perfect.

It's the scarf just dangling in the water that gets me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 12:55:43 PM
Raw and Smackdown have been pretty good the last few weeks. Since the KOTR started.

I’ll be honest but I tried to watch a bit this week and the constant adverts just drive me mad. It’s no doubt going to be the same with AEW weekly show and new NXT and will probably put me off watching them too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 04, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
Ha ha. So internet is saying the Police announced they have found the AEW belt only to retract the statement as they have a fan replica. This is up there with Session Moth Martinez trying to get John Cena to follow her on Twitter as not-in-ring wrestling story of the year. Ha ha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 04, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
AEW just tweeted saying "case solved."
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 04, 2019, 04:23:32 PM
Oh, that's alright then, everything is obviously fine now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 04, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
Eric Rowan needs some thunderous entrance music, or he will fail.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 04, 2019, 07:08:27 PM
I never knew Rowan could cut a decent promo until last night's Smackdown!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: cliggg on September 05, 2019, 08:51:27 AM
Jon Moxley vs. Kenny Omega announced for the Full Gear ppv on November 9th.
Velveteen Dream vs. Roderick Strong for the North American title & Io Shirai vs. Mia Yim vs. Bianca Belair triple threat for the number one contender spot announced for the debut NXT tv episode.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 06, 2019, 01:41:48 AM
Cody Jericho too. Which makes all the sense in the world. You can question the booking all you want but things are falling into place and making all the sense. Kenny losing and dropping back into Mox feud, PAC winning and stepping up to Hangman, Cody winning run and going for Jericho, MJF floating... they already got this shit nailed. Even the tag on hold until they bring in LAX is perfect booking. The women’s division is still a mess but my point I made months ago (I think I even used the phrase ”Kenny should drop down” ) where they should focus on one big match each PPV and let undercard percolate is coming true. I approve.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 06, 2019, 02:25:35 AM
Some people will look at it as Cody the Vice President putting himself in the main event, but it does make sense, both story wise and because he’s genuinely the most over person on the roster. Looking forward to that one.

And yeah, the women’s division is the weak point right now. Hopefully TV will help build it up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 06, 2019, 07:58:35 AM
The most obvious thing ever will be MJF costing Cody but I'm not sure if they need to. Is it just me but I find MJF a bigger heel remaining a kiss ass friend? Keeping that odd dynamic running for as long as fans accept it (Cody super popular, MJF and Brandi nominally heels, Pharoah face) is fine by me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 06, 2019, 08:57:31 AM
The most obvious thing ever will be MJF costing Cody but I'm not sure if they need to. Is it just me but I find MJF a bigger heel remaining a kiss ass friend? Keeping that odd dynamic running for as long as fans accept it (Cody super popular, MJF and Brandi nominally heels, Pharoah face) is fine by me.

I agree, but leave Pharaoh off TV. Poor dog.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 07, 2019, 04:01:16 PM
Jericho All Out podcast is actually really fascinating. He stradles the line between podcast host and AEW champion very well and is very good at giving his opinon on where AEW has a lot to improve without sounding like a dick about anything.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 09, 2019, 05:06:42 AM
Anyone else like me dropped off NXT recently? I cancelled the network earlier in the year and missed a Takeover... then tried to keep up with the weekly show through OTHER means but just kept forgetting or not bothering and now with it's impending move to 2 hours I just can't find the motivation to get back into it, despite still liking many of the players involved. I think I've just mentally designated AEW's upcoming show as my weekly fix and that along with NJPW more than fill up the time I'd allot to wrestling.

I think it doesn't help that I watched almost every G1 match with Kevin Kelly commentating and then tried an NXT and was immediately greeted with "Mama Mia!" and "NXT Universe" and "Mundane thought bordering on stupid" from the NXT commentary team. I've just come to despise the WWE production-style, from the camera cuts to the forced verbiage... I think it's gone beyond a point where I can enjoy it. Even in NXT when the product is generally very good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on September 09, 2019, 07:52:16 AM
Yeah same here actually, after going hard on the G1 I was pretty exhausted, and have really checked out of NXT in the past month or so.

I'm pretty bored with Shayna. Street Profits are in inbetween rosters, and I can't believe Gargano is still headlining Takeovers as much as I love the guy.

Plus it's hard to pretend any of this matters when they just move up and do fuck all. Gets disheartening after a while.

I'll check back in once they are on telly for sure to see how different it feels.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 09, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
We might actually see Austin put over The Fiend at MSG tonight:

https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt/status/1170831367598497794?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 09, 2019, 11:33:35 AM
I still think NXT is the best weekly wrestling show. I haven’t noticed any significant drop in quality. The Keith Lee v Dijakovic match the other week was excellent. Heel Io Shirai is fantastic. Bringing Rhea Ripley across is a good move too, I can actually see her dethroning Shayna. And let’s not forget Roddy setting Velveteen’s sofa on fire!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 10, 2019, 01:45:17 AM
Seth & Braun looked out of their depth in that opening segment. Was all Austin & AJ.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 10, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
Also think NXT is the best weekly wrestling show. Really enjoying it.

I actually like the production value. The fact that AEW's production value during the PPV's was way lower made it for me more difficult to enjoy it.
Also really dislike JR's commentary. He's out of touch.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Utter Shit on September 10, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
Josh Bodom seems nice.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 10, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
Six months of penitence and he'll be back.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 10, 2019, 02:27:55 PM
Also think NXT is the best weekly wrestling show. Really enjoying it.

I actually like the production value. The fact that AEW's production value during the PPV's was way lower made it for me more difficult to enjoy it.
Also really dislike JR's commentary. He's out of touch.

The weird thing with AEW is how much production and commentary improved as show went on. First half hour or so was mess but last half of the show was good. Personally I would pick and chose which matches JR commentates on. Cody matches great. Women’s matches not so much
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 10, 2019, 02:51:47 PM
I don't like how AEW has picked up WWE's "cut to shot of confused person in the crowd" trope. There was way too much of that at All Out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: An Actual Propeller on September 10, 2019, 02:55:34 PM
The weird thing with AEW is how much production and commentary improved as show went on. First half hour or so was mess but last half of the show was good. Personally I would pick and chose which matches JR commentates on. Cody matches great. Women’s matches not so much

It's literally JR's job to know who the wrestlers are and get them over.

I don't like how AEW has picked up WWE's "cut to shot of confused person in the crowd" trope. There was way too much of that at All Out.

Yeah, hated this.  Also hated how the cameras would cut to a different shot during a big move.  Looks shite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 10, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Yeah, hated this.  Also hated how the cameras would cut to a different shot during a big move.  Looks shite.

I think that is actually the worst. Whoever has decided this is a thing needs the shit beaten out of them from multiple different angles. I think it was Tom Lawlor who made the point that if you have shitty camera cuts during punches then there is no motivation to learn how to make punches look better. As for the big moves it just looks shit. Agreed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 10, 2019, 05:36:09 PM
Raw at MSG just looked like an average boring episode with some added Stone Cold. I love Austin a lot, but can he be useful and put someone over at some point please?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on September 10, 2019, 06:06:37 PM
I love Austin a lot, but can he be useful and put someone over at some point please?

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/7b23f137148da52aef9df2c460832992/tumblr_px8leeZWQP1u1ljrzo2_500.gif)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: magval on September 10, 2019, 07:31:58 PM
That's a fucking killer stunner. It's the sitting upright afterwards. Cool as fuck.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 10, 2019, 07:36:45 PM
Raw at MSG just looked like an average boring episode with some added Stone Cold. I love Austin a lot, but can he be useful and put someone over at some point please?

The KOTR semi-final and the four horsewomen tag were very good. But yeah, shame Austin didn't put Wyatt over.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 10, 2019, 09:29:01 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/7b23f137148da52aef9df2c460832992/tumblr_px8leeZWQP1u1ljrzo2_500.gif)

Clearly doesn't count but looks good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 10, 2019, 10:34:32 PM
And that's for an MSG show with Steve Austin.

(https://i.ibb.co/2KTPwZg/Screenshot-2019-09-10-Bryan-Alvarez-on-Twitter-2-13-million-viewers-for-RAW-second-lowest-non-holiday-number-in-modern-his.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 10, 2019, 11:15:27 PM
Also think NXT is the best weekly wrestling show. Really enjoying it.

I actually like the production value. The fact that AEW's production value during the PPV's was way lower made it for me more difficult to enjoy it.
Also really dislike JR's commentary. He's out of touch.

I should clarify: it’s not the production value of NXT (which is great) that I dislike but the production style. The forced verbiage the commentators have to use, the rapid camera cuts when anyone hits a strike. It just makes it nigh-unwatchable for me, especially after the G1 where I got to hear great commentators speak like people as opposed to speaking like indoctrinated cult members.

AEW’s production style is far from perfect. Was way closer to WWE than I’d like. Just film like NJPW fer christ’s sake! It looks and feels the best.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 11, 2019, 01:43:41 AM
Ha ha. Smackdown is either being quite clever right now or about to reach the final WCW point of no return. Why I have faith in this not being a fucking joke is beyond me but my instinct is that it will turn out positively. If not then this should turn off more people than the whole murdered journalist things did.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 11, 2019, 04:27:27 AM
Ha ha. Smackdown is either being quite clever right now or about to reach the final WCW point of no return. Why I have faith in this not being a fucking joke is beyond me but my instinct is that it will turn out positively. If not then this should turn off more people than the whole murdered journalist things did.

I saw the end of it. Hoo boy. Shane beating the shit out of Owens while the crowd in Madison Square Garden chant "A-E-DUB!" Oh to have seen the look on Vince's face.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: cliggg on September 11, 2019, 11:33:38 AM
I saw the end of it. Hoo boy. Shane beating the shit out of Owens while the crowd in Madison Square Garden chant "A-E-DUB!" Oh to have seen the look on Vince's face.
I doubt Vince would care about it. Purchasing tickets to go see WWE live then chanting the name of a different wrestling company seems stupid to me. Vince gets their money and he would be well used to not getting the crowd reactions they want like Roman being booed, CM Punk chants, heels being cheered etc...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 11, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
They were chanting AEW because Shane "fired" Owens.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 11, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
They were chanting AEW because Shane "fired" Owens.

That's the context, doesn't change that it's a shitty look (and quite funny) though, does it?

I just know how attached Vince is to MSG (trying to make sure nobody else ever gets to use it, seeing it as WWE's "home") so the idea of a crowd chanting for one of WWE's biggest stars to go to AEW tickled me. I see a bit of Smackdown because it airs on the day I work from home and the "story" they've done with Owens recently is insanely bad. Just actively harmful booking. Imagine Vince fining Austin $100, 000 and Austin spending the next month moping, begging for Vince to reconsider and trying to cheat on Vince's behalf. I know Owens ain't Austin but, Christ, the booking doesn't give these poor fuckers a chance.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 11, 2019, 01:04:19 PM
Sorry, I was replying to cliggg, who said he doesn't get why fans would pay to go to a WWE show and then chant for another company (a valid point in most circumstances). I was just giving some context to why they were chanting AEW last night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 11, 2019, 03:04:30 PM
That's the context, doesn't change that it's a shitty look (and quite funny) though, does it?

Is it true that there people shouting "O-KA-DA" at Seth Rollins on Monday night when he was talking about being the best in the world? That is pretty funny like.

They managed not to completely ruin the King of the Ring (they couldn't help themselves with having all the attention switch to Shane but at least Gable won) but at least Shane not winning the tournament. I would love to be in their meetings where they work this shit out though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 11, 2019, 09:34:49 PM
Session Moth has been followed on Twitter by John Cena. I could cry with happiness.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on September 12, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
Session Moth has been followed on Twitter by John Cena. I could cry with happiness.

FINALLY some good news in today's stinky world of doo-doo.

She's also signed with ROH, apparently.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Utter Shit on September 12, 2019, 02:04:02 PM
Session Moth has been followed on Twitter by John Cena. I could cry with happiness.

It's completely mad but I am actually happy for her.

Also, Broken Ring seems like a nice fed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on September 12, 2019, 02:08:12 PM
205 Live cancelled
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: cliggg on September 12, 2019, 02:21:22 PM
Cancelledish the roster will merge with the NXT roster to help fill 2 hours of tv every week. Speaking of which the first 2 NXT TV shows will have the first hour on the USA channel and the second hour exclusively on the WWE Network due to the last 2 episodes of Suits being aired in that timeslot. So much for getting a headstart on AEW! Also it seems like Kevin Owens will be going to NXT for a bit now that he has been "fired" from Smackdown.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: cliggg on September 12, 2019, 02:23:03 PM
Sorry, I was replying to cliggg, who said he doesn't get why fans would pay to go to a WWE show and then chant for another company (a valid point in most circumstances). I was just giving some context to why they were chanting AEW last night.
Yes I understand Ja'moke. I hadn't seen Smackdown when I made my original comment.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on September 12, 2019, 02:57:15 PM
Thank god they've found some bodies to fill the razor thin NXT roster. If only they'd plucked every conceivable indie talent from all four corners of the globe for the last five years.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 12, 2019, 03:26:00 PM
Vince is getting serious. Bad news for AEW.

Quote
Right now the plan is for NXT Takeovers not to be the same weekend as the big shows and WWE has said that the new Takeover schedule will be out soon. It will be interesting to see if Vince puts the Takeover shows on the network to go head-to-head with AEW PPVs, that come with a $50 price tag.
There have been changes made for 2020 on the major weekends. We don’t know if it will be this way for SummerSlam, but the four straight nights in the same building is out for Royal Rumble. In addition, the NXT schedule for Takeovers are changing. The original plans for Houston were three shows at the Toyota Center and Rumble at Minute Maid Park, the home of the Houston Astros. However, the plans have changed as Smackdown will now be on 1/24 in Dallas. The 1/25 show will be called Worlds Collide. That name has been used in the past for show that consisted of wrestlers from NXT, NXT U.K., 205 Live and the main roster in unique matches that normally aren’t done.

But I can’t see booking the Toyota Center for cold matches, so they’d have to be bouts pushed in some form on television. Part of the issue is the Toyota Center not being able to commit to all four dates, and they are down to one date. But the NXT move is obviously something very different. The Rumble remains at the stadium. Raw will be in San Antonio. Right now the plan is for Takeovers not to be the same weekend as the big shows and WWE has said that the new Takeover schedule will be out soon. It will be interesting to see if Vince follows his late 1980s playbook and puts the Takeover shows on the network to go head-to-head with AEW PPVs, that come with a $50 price tag.

Paul Levesque in Newsweek indicated the current plans look to be expanded from five to six Takeovers per year now that they have TV, and two U.K. Takeovers per year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 12, 2019, 03:35:37 PM
What am I missing? Why is that bad for AEW?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 12, 2019, 03:41:55 PM
There have to be enough people to keep AEW a going concern that have long since burned out on WWE (myself included).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 12, 2019, 04:08:36 PM
What am I missing? Why is that bad for AEW?

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. It will be interesting to see if Vince follows his late 1980s playbook and puts the Takeover shows on the network to go head-to-head with AEW PPVs, that come with a $50 price tag.   

50 dollar PPV vs 10 dollar monthly Network subscription....
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 12, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
50 dollar PPV vs 10 dollar monthly Network subscription....

That's already the case though? And the thing about them going to head to head with TakeOver is just speculation, isn't it? Although, even if they did, people can watch both, especially as TakeOver can be viewed on demand.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: An Actual Propeller on September 12, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
205 Live cancelled

There's "many different options being discussed" according to this week's Observer, but HHH has confirmed it'll seep into NXT somewhat.  Can't see them carrying it on with so many other prominent hours of telly a week, but who knows?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 12, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
Vince is playing a very high stakes game here against people who can easily match him financially. By programming NXT against AEW he is showing his hand early and going All Out (ooo eer) to sabotage them but is risking drawing more mainstream attention to the fact there is a new wrestling promotion about. The idea of NXT on Wednesdays has always been to reduce the ratings, and hence advertising money for AEW, but again, whilst Tony Khan has a budget, the Khan family are fucking loaded and can afford to underwrite all this for as long as they want.

Secondly if gives the AEW a good excuse if ratings are not amazing. Without NXT anything less than 1 million looks a bit lame but with two shows in that slot the chances are you going to get more people interested and channel hoping. Wonder how the ratings system works if you watch 10 mins at a time of each channel? Does it count twice?

Finally, and possibly the most important thing is what happens to NXT itself. If the show remains a distinctive exciting brand where the developmental/indie guys can become stars in their own right then great. It could be a great watch. If, however, it becomes absorbed into the main roster with flabby, illogical storytelling and people popping up all over the place then it just becomes another WWE show to avoid watching. As this week's ratings have shown RAW is no match for football (and Friday's are a shit night to watch wrestling) so what if WWE fans reject the existing shows on-mass for the new, exciting alternatives. Love to see how that conversation plays out with Fox next time round (though I am convinced Vince's mega deals from Fox were all linked with Trump - Fox pays Vince, Vince donates to Trump.... ergo.... FOX donates to Trump).

It will playing into AEW's hands that it is only 2 hours a week and you don't need to spend at least 8 hours a week watching main roster TV.

What it all depends on is whether AEW TV is good or not. If it is a good show they will be fine. Look at Impact. They seem to exist on nothing and are seemingly attempting a new reboot (good on them) but they are getting by on fuck-all viewers. AEW has repeatedly said they are only in a war as much as Vince wants so if they make enough money to tick over then that is all they need.

I stand by my point though that I just want Vince to be miserable about all this.

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Anyway. The NJPW Super J-Cup is as ace as the live reviews said and I am loving the Young Lions matches on their current Japan tour. The LA DOJO guys are superb and I am really enjoying their matches in their own right. There is so much to be said for limiting a wrestler in what they are allowed to do to make them really fucking good at those things.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 13, 2019, 08:58:09 AM
I know Hunter came out and said Vince won't be taking over NXT (has he ever met Vince?) but we are already about to see Vince's plans have an effect on the product. The first two episodes on USA will air one hour on USA and the second hour on WWE Network. So how do they book that? Are they going to book big main events to try and lure viewers to the network or frontload the show with important stuff so the bigger audience will see? Either way, it's a new concern for the booking team and one that will alter how they prepare the show. I have loved NXT in the past and I hope it remains good but I can just see things like counter-programming segments and trying to hurt AEW negatively affecting the otherwise normally straightforward booking that made NXT so good over the past few years. And if Hunter honestly thinks Vince won't get involved if AEW is beating NXT in the ratings...

Thanks for the heads up that the J-Cup is finally up on NJPW World. I shall watch some this evening. Heard phenomenal reports about the Ospreay/Red match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 13, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Vince will beat AEW by burning absolutely everyone out on wrestling. I don't see AEW surviving a sustained attack on them but I can't see WWE coming out of the next 12 months in a stronger place than they are right now (XFL, Fox intervention on Smackdown, the major disruption of the one show that created new people some fans could get excited about).


RE XFL, even if it does become a success, the whole context behind its reemergence makes it, and the WWE by extension, a beacon for all manner of political side taking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 13, 2019, 01:35:04 PM
I know Hunter came out and said Vince won't be taking over NXT (has he ever met Vince?) but we are already about to see Vince's plans have an effect on the product. The first two episodes on USA will air one hour on USA and the second hour on WWE Network.

I believe that is only because the final season of Suits is airing its last two episodes those nights. After the second week, the full two hours will air on USA, with the episode then being uploaded to the Network the next day.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 13, 2019, 07:46:38 PM
Vince will beat AEW by burning absolutely everyone out on wrestling. I don't see AEW surviving a sustained attack.

They can survive whatever Vince throws at them as they are fighting different battles in the same war. Vince wants AEW to collapse, to fail to not exist, to be hammered by WWE in ratings every week and leave Cody et al humbled and begging for WWE contracts; AEW simply want to be a sustainable company that can exist on its own terms. No idea quite how much money Tony Khan has pissed up the wall on this but the PPV numbers are very good for this point, ticket sales are good to great and merch sales are insane. Yes WWE has billions of dollars coming in but they are so, so much bigger than everyone else,  people have lost a sense of perspective on what a successful AEW could look like. I think NJPW has revenues around $100million and regularly run watch are big gymnasiums for regular shows and are more than happy. I was looking at Starrdom numbers the other day and they are delighted to be selling 500 tickets. Of course it depends on AEW’s ratings but TNT will give them plenty of time and in current climate competing platforms need content. Netflix are paying Chapelle $40million per special as a comparison.

I just hope AEW get enough viewers to exist and piss Vince off. XFL will be a total disaster, nothing will convince me otherwise. The politics of football are just not having a hit on numbers and NFL, College (and NBA in summer) are absolute monsters in terms of popularity. There is no space for XFL and that $300million Vince has put aside will be gone in first season.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 13, 2019, 08:32:03 PM
The AEW preview special for All Out (which was just highlights from the Road To series) that aired at 10 pm on a Friday night on TNT got almost 400k viewers. That was the ballpark figure they were hoping to get for the actual weekly TV show, which will be airing on a Wednesday at prime time with far more promotion. So I think AEW's first couple of shows will probably do close to 1 million. It's then whether they can build off that with a compelling TV product.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 13, 2019, 09:21:11 PM
They can survive whatever Vince throws at them as they are fighting different battles in the same war. Vince wants AEW to collapse, to fail to not exist, to be hammered by WWE in ratings every week and leave Cody et al humbled and begging for WWE contracts; AEW simply want to be a sustainable company that can exist on its own terms.

Breaking the throne and the constant shots at WWE suggest otherwise....
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 13, 2019, 09:44:49 PM
Breaking the throne and the constant shots at WWE suggest otherwise....

You keep repeating this but then overreach. Why do you think Jericho took the piss out of Undertaker on Twitter today? It’s not to destroy the WWE or ruin Taker’s career but it’s to get publicity and create a bit of buzz (and admittedly to give the AEW fans who want it to be not-WWE a laugh - why do you think Cody is so over?).

The better comparison is the UK scene where NXTUK and controlling Progress etc. has put a real brake on the growth of mid-size promotions. Vince wants to control everything beyond the smaller indies and as long as AEW exist independent of his control he will feel like he is losing. It’s as hilarious as it is desperate.

If we were having the same conversation about Wall-Mart or Amazon we would be spitting feathers about how pathetic and dangerous their OWN-EVERYTHING ruthlessness is but seem to think when WWE aspire to this is a valid gameplan (and worse, actively root for the alternatives to be wiped out*). If AEW end up as the CO-OP cornershops of wrestling AEW will be happy and Vince will be mad. It’s just a reality.

*Just reading this back and I am not suggesting you think that Timothy only that some people do and likewise there are some AEW fans who are guilty of equally silly thinking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 14, 2019, 01:55:11 AM
I believe that is only because the final season of Suits is airing its last two episodes those nights. After the second week, the full two hours will air on USA, with the episode then being uploaded to the Network the next day.

Yeah, that's why it's happening and it will revert to normal (on the same week as the first AEW show, luckily for WWE). I was more bringing it up as an example of how NXT's booking philosophy will change due to the practicalities of this war they're being thrust into by Vince. It adds headaches they've never dealt with before. For me, the beauty of NXT was it's simplistic format and angles. Now there's a good they'll be trying to counter-book against specific AEW matches/segments rather than focusing on their own show. If there's one thing WWE has shown over the years, it's that things start to suck when they overthink shit rather than keep it simple.

I don't mean my posts to come out "Rah rah I hate WWE" because I don't. I would love to love WWE again. I hate Vince, that is true, but I don't hate WWE. I just find them very fascinating and I think how NXT fares in this new scenario will be one of the more interesting WWE stories in a long time. I'm curious to see if the booking changes, if the kinda stars they push changes, if Vince gets involved, etc.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 14, 2019, 02:45:21 AM
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Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 14, 2019, 11:54:18 PM
Bloodsports is on at 1am. If anyone intrigued there is an hour long pre-show for free on FITE starting at midnight. I've had a kip so hopefully in for the whole thing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 15, 2019, 02:38:00 AM
Really good show so far. Spot in Gulak match will be on your Twitter feeds very soon and Kratos-Hammer match was excellent. Filthy Tom doubling up on commentary duties and he is absolutely excellent.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 15, 2019, 03:47:17 AM
Really good show so far. Spot in Gulak match will be on your Twitter feeds very soon and Kratos-Hammer match was excellent. Filthy Tom doubling up on commentary duties and he is absolutely excellent.

Yeah that was loads of fun. It was missing the red-hot vibes of the Barnett-Suzuki match (which I have now decided is my MOTY) but as a 3 hour show of shoot-style it was really good. If you can watch the pre-show for free on FITE I would recommed that as the Gulak match was arguably the best of the night. I love Bloodsport
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 15, 2019, 12:03:48 PM
The new Sasha Banks documentary on the Network is well worth checking out. An emotional one. She talks about why she took time off, her depression, going to therapy, losing her love for wrestling (to the point where she didn't even feel anything at this past Mania), and addresses those ridiculous rumours from earlier this year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: gmoney on September 15, 2019, 02:28:22 PM
What were those ridiculous rumours? I don't remember hearing anything ridiculous.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 15, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
What were those ridiculous rumours? I don't remember hearing anything ridiculous.

Ryan Satin "reported" that Sasha and Bayley were throwing a tantrum backstage at WM and then later at the hotel, crying and stamping on the floor, etc. Despite there being no eye witness reports of this and photos of Sasha and Bayley in the crowd enjoying the WM main event.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 15, 2019, 06:30:16 PM
Big Cass got into various confrontations and ended up in hospital after a WrestlePro event last night https://www.pwinsider.com/article/129559/backstage-incident-with-big-cass-mars-wrestlepro-event.html?p=1

Hopefully he hasn't relapsed, seemed to be making great progress. Sounds like he's got some serious mental health problems though, there was talk of him yelling about killing himself.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 15, 2019, 07:56:00 PM
Big Cass got into various confrontations and ended up in hospital after a WrestlePro event last night https://www.pwinsider.com/article/129559/backstage-incident-with-big-cass-mars-wrestlepro-event.html?p=1

Hopefully he hasn't relapsed, seemed to be making great progress. Sounds like he's got some serious mental health problems though, there was talk of him yelling about killing himself.

Not good. EC3 was also posting some weird shit on Twitter last night that if I didn't know better read like a suicide note. He followed it up claiming it was "a quote from a book" and could have been interpreted as a comment on him not being on-screen but either way it didn't seem like a thing someone who is happy with life would write.

Hope he's okay.

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Anything worth watching on the PPV tonight? Have to say I've listend to the preview show on WOR but it's gone in one ear and out the other.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 15, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
I'm mostly excited for Becky v Sasha. Hope they can top their NXT Unstoppable match from a few years back.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 15, 2019, 08:00:04 PM
Smackdown on Fox is really getting drowned out by all the NXT/AEW stuff online, isn't it? Can't imagine Fox will be too pleased if it keeps like that?


And when it comes to _promoting_ NXT talent, are USA gonna take issue with ones moving to Fox?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: gmoney on September 15, 2019, 08:18:59 PM
Ryan Satin "reported" that Sasha and Bayley were throwing a tantrum backstage at WM and then later at the hotel, crying and stamping on the floor, etc. Despite there being no eye witness reports of this and photos of Sasha and Bayley in the crowd enjoying the WM main event.

Oh right, fair enough. That completely passed me by.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 16, 2019, 12:32:05 AM
It's honestly a joke how many title reigns Charlotte Flair has had. She's the Triple H of the women's division. She's good in the ring, occasionally great, rarely ever good on the mic and totally overhyped. I'm rooting for Bayley for the first time since like 2015.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 16, 2019, 12:36:15 AM
Hahaha, awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 16, 2019, 12:43:35 AM
Bayley with the NXT Bo Dallas gimmick is perfect. The heel who thinks she’s the heroic role model.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 16, 2019, 12:47:11 AM
Corey Graves is especially annoying me tonight. Even more than usual, which is saying something.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 16, 2019, 12:54:47 AM
Welcome to WWE Night of the useless babyfaces.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 16, 2019, 12:59:25 AM
Corey Graves is especially annoying me tonight. Even more than usual, which is saying something.

Yes. This is my biggest take from this show so far. Unlistenable shite. Oh fuck and now we get his Mandy Rose schtick. Someone cancel this cunt please.



Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 16, 2019, 01:21:57 AM
Nakamura's cape is the highlight of this show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 16, 2019, 01:24:43 AM
Sami Zayn's live commentary is the best thing on this show and it's not even close.

Edit: and the cape. Agreed. 
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 16, 2019, 01:49:34 AM
Well I'm going to try to sleep. I've spent about 10% of my attention on WWE and 90% watching GIFs of the AAA show on Twitter. This show is just classic WWE isn't it? Fine. Not terrible, not good just fine and nothing feels special or exciting.


AAA looks good. Cain Velasquez doing Lucha is brilliant (but no idea what he would do in WWE or AEW or even NJPW unless they booked him and Lesnar and even that would mean he has to radically change what the style he is having so much fun with).

Laters all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 16, 2019, 02:02:07 AM
That was ace and nicely sets up the HIAC match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on September 16, 2019, 02:16:55 AM
Was quite interested in this PPV insomuch as it's the last one before telly moves, live NXT, AEW launching etc.

Has it been any good?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 16, 2019, 02:25:17 AM
I personally didn't think it picked up until Sasha v Becky. Although New Day v Revival was a pretty good match too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 16, 2019, 06:43:30 AM
Harper back!

Great ending to PPV. Isnt it a bit too soon to have Fiend going for WWE Title? If he loses he loses his second match. If he wins.... then what?

Or are they just doing that so they can move him with title to FOX SD?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 16, 2019, 07:35:02 AM
I watched the end of the Becky Sasha which was rather fun but before that the show was meh. Nothing terrible, nothing amazing. Not sure I want a HITC for two women with history of concusions but its a feud that has my interest.

How was Rowan Roman?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 16, 2019, 08:10:59 AM
Alright. Most noteworthy momeny was the return of Luke Harper.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 16, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
I also originally thought it might be too early to put the title on The Fiend, but as someone on reddit said, better too soon than too late. How many times have WWE missed the boat on a hot act? Wyatt is super over right now, so fuck it, give him the belt and see what happens.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 16, 2019, 12:01:02 PM
Tt was a very boring show. A PPV version of Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 16, 2019, 12:13:06 PM
I also originally thought it might be too early to put the title on The Fiend, but as someone on reddit said, better too soon than too late. How many times have WWE missed the boat on a hot act? Wyatt is super over right now, so fuck it, give him the belt and see what happens.

Plus, it's easy to forget that they've been running the Firefly Fun House promos since April. It's actually been quite a slow build and he's white hot right now. The fuckery they can do with the cell makes this too good an opportunity to pass up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 16, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
counterpoint: how many times have they built up an interesting and quirky heel only to feed him to "the guy"
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 16, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
I thought they’d give Wyatt a feud with another prominent guy before throwing him into the title scene, but I guess it’s that time of the year where there’s not much going on, so fuck it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 16, 2019, 11:45:17 PM
This was taken by a fan last night. Awesome picture.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEncSCoXUAA4qcW?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 17, 2019, 12:11:11 AM
Is that photo from Kimberlasskick? She's incredible at those. WWE need to hire her.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 17, 2019, 12:18:37 AM
Yes. I should've name credited her when I posted it.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZMWbLbR/Screenshot-2019-09-17-Capt-Karnstein-Capt-Karnstein-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 17, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
Is Kevin Dunn drunk?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEoAF3VWkAEBnod?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 17, 2019, 01:15:30 AM
Renee pointed it out in a way that suggests it could be deliberate, like The Fiend fucking with the show or something?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 17, 2019, 01:18:03 AM
Perhaps. But they went dead silent after she mentioned it, like they were getting bollocked for bringing it up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 17, 2019, 02:25:54 AM
Rusev's back ... in the shittiest story in wrestling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on September 17, 2019, 06:05:49 AM
BETA CUCK
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 17, 2019, 08:41:41 AM
The ending to RAW was really cool. I can’t believe they haven’t fucked this up yet.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 17, 2019, 09:52:49 AM
They played the Glenn Jacobs/Kane appearance absolutely perfectly. I was worried they'd fuck it when he steamrolled the O.C., but the ending was perfect as was the R-Truth skit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 17, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
counterpoint: how many times have they built up an interesting and quirky heel only to feed him to "the guy"

Almost all of em? Be quicker to name heels they didn't do this with

Brock
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 17, 2019, 12:18:42 PM
This was taken by a fan last night. Awesome picture.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEncSCoXUAA4qcW?format=jpg&name=medium)

I can't unsee a penis on Bray's t-shirt.

So where are people on Corbin now. I have always quite liked him and thought he would come out of this eventually (as he seems to be a genuinely nice real life guy as much as anything). They have booked him dreadfully with pretty much everything they have done but is there any chance this King of The Ring might work for him. I think he and Bailey basically need the same character; which is the Bo Dallas in NXT character. A heel just having fun.

They definitely missed a trick with Gable though. Should have have him winning and make KOTR feel special; like a proper NJPW tournament. They were so close to it this year - WWE almost doing something simple and right to push a wrestling babyface but then, you know... Vince.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 17, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Vince does not understand 'goodness' as a concept, hence why babyfaces are either dumb as a box of rocks or just vanilla losers. his top faces have to be 'cool', even though they're often corporate-sounding blowhards. guys like Bret and Foley he just lucked into and rode the wave of, and even they had to be heels against their better nature for a while.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 17, 2019, 01:05:00 PM
So where are people on Corbin now.

He's much more tolerable now he isn't involved in every other segment on Raw. I enjoyed his match last night (though I give most credit to Gable for this) and I think he'll fit the King gimmick well, presuming they don't just have him lose all the time like the last few KotR's.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 17, 2019, 10:19:30 PM
Vince thought process:

"This "The Fiend" thing is working too well, as did the Firefly Funhouse promos.

We need to teach this guy a lesson, how can we do it?

I know, let's have him lose to Corbin at Hell In A Cell"
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 17, 2019, 10:19:49 PM
I’ve always liked Corbin, thought he had cool moves and played a heel very well, just not enough for the positions he’s put in. This could be a good role for him.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 17, 2019, 10:29:27 PM
Corbin's suffered, in my view, from the "being promoted" approach when he's fairly new to the screen.

Wrestling's weird in that regard, I'm being "sold" The Fiend but it's being done in such a good way that I quite like it.

What I really want is for Dolph Ziggler to turn into some sort of zombie princess, win the women's championship, turn back into a male zombie, align himself with The Fiend, and then end up winning the tag team championships using his dual personas whilst The Fiend just looks on, bemused.

Probably won't happen, but I like to dream.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 18, 2019, 01:29:37 AM
Brock getting the WWE title shot on the first Fox Smackdown. Colour me shocked.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 18, 2019, 02:17:58 AM
Brock vs Kofi should be great!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 18, 2019, 02:28:07 AM
It all depends on how its booked. Brock's best matches have come against smaller guys, but Vince may book a destruction job as Fox wants the real fight fans tuning in.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 18, 2019, 06:26:25 AM
Brock vs Kofi should be great!

They had a great match at Beast of the East.

I think that Kofi winning from Lesnar would put more viewers glued to their TV set then Lesnar beating Kofi. That would mean that on Smackdown ''truly anything can happen''.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 18, 2019, 06:33:00 AM
Was nicking the footie from an online stream last night which turned out to be TnT

An AEW advert came up at half time. Was good to see, cool and all. Showed some IN RING ACTION but also a quick shot of Omega with blood on his head
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 18, 2019, 08:18:28 AM
It all depends on how its booked. Brock's best matches have come against smaller guys, but Vince may book a destruction job as Fox wants the real fight fans tuning in.

I’m happy for either. Let’s not pretend Brock isn’t awesome just because he shows up infrequently.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 18, 2019, 08:46:01 AM
it's just hotshotting a big match out of nothing to bump the ratings. the booking will remain the booking as it has been all decade.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Swoz_MK on September 18, 2019, 08:46:08 AM
Watched Halloween Havoc 97 last night. Nagata/Ultimo Dragon, Jericho/Gedo, Rey/Eddy was a fucking fantastic first hour. The rest was fine, Hennig/Flair was great fun. I might just watch old WCW  every night for the rest of my life.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 18, 2019, 08:48:11 AM
Watched Halloween Havoc 97 last night. Nagata/Ultimo Dragon, Jericho/Gedo, Rey/Eddy was a fucking fantastic first hour. The rest was fine, Hennig/Flair was great fun. I might just watch old WCW  every night for the rest of my life.

I mean there is some good mid-90s WCW but that sounds like a good WAR or NJPW show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 18, 2019, 05:04:29 PM
I will always go out of my way to watch a Brock match and he doesn’t need any build because he is the only star they have in the whole company and if he wants a title match he should get one whenever he wants.

Actually, thinking about it if you take the G1 and New Japan Cup out of it how many singles matches does Okada have in a year. The point is I wonder how it compares to Brock’s schedule as I can see the argument that Brock follows a NJPW level of booking (the 19 G1 shows aside) where they let you have a breather for a few weeks/month at a time and then get excited when they return (are focussed on again).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 18, 2019, 05:06:54 PM
I presume Brock is going to win, so is Smackdown the A show now?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 18, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
I presume Brock is going to win, so is Smackdown the A show now?

For what Fox are paying? Absolutely.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 18, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
Still love Harper and Rowan tag team, but is it me or did they both look drug/steroid free on Smackdown?

Good thing, if so.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 19, 2019, 01:09:37 AM
Io Shirai is so damn good!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on September 19, 2019, 04:05:16 AM
I am mildly excited to finish work today and watch a new type of NXT! Glad to hear Io has featured.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on September 19, 2019, 08:24:36 AM
Triple H just has to insert his face into the show, every time, just to remind you whose vanity project this is.

One of the plus points for NXT moving to one show a week is it keeps that fiery crowd hot all night. Their 4 shows in one night tapings were brutal on the fans in attendance.

I didn't like them bringing Walter and Imperium over. They've hoovered up every talent from the indies already, the NXT roster is massive, there's no need to bring them over too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 19, 2019, 12:09:29 PM
Glad to hear Io has featured.

She opened the show! (well, after Triple H's intro)

I thinking the Imperium thing will just but short term, hopefully, to lead to Imperium vs TUE in War Games. And I'm well up for that. It's also a way to get eyes on NXT UK.

Glad to see Lio Rush back too. His match with Oney was ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 19, 2019, 07:21:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE2IV2kXYAUxnQF?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 19, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
I don't know the name of the guy who fought Pete Dunne, but it was a good match.

It appears that now there's a Japanese Marty McFly about to face Walter, who has apparently formed a faction in which a black and white uniform is required and he has some henchmen.

Don't know what that's about, but it's a fun show with good rasslin.

Edit: From watching, it seems fairly clear the crowd are agreed that Walter should have a championship reign at some point, not sure I disagree.

Walter vs Brock anyone?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 19, 2019, 08:01:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE2IV2kXYAUxnQF?format=jpg&name=small)

Where is Page? Where is Riho?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 19, 2019, 10:22:56 PM
NXT done 1.2 million on USA, this is apparently a very good rating?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 19, 2019, 10:45:24 PM
NXT done 1.2 million on USA, this is apparently a very good rating?

I reckon so yeah. I would be amazed if AEW comes anywhere near that.

What intrigues me about that is that it is about half of what RAW gets and I bet there are a small but significant number of people who have watched NXT who wouldn't watch RAW anyway (most of us on here for a start). That is a lot of regular wrestling fans not watching NXT and it will be very interesting to see what happens come the 2nd. Are they going to split that audience or are there RAW fans (and others) just waiting?

My instinct is that 1.2 million will be about the shared audience and the Wednesday night audience is different to monday but it will be fascinating to watch.

Always worth putting these into context mind and the Sue Perkins Japanese documentary got 2.8million views in a country of 70 million which is down a million from her previous series and WWE is earning literally a billion quid for attracting 2.5million viewers in a country of 350million. The financial side of these deals is a complete nonsense.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on September 19, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
Just watched that opening 4-way women's match out of curiosity. Nice little pace to itself, very smooth. Has the Io Shirai heel turn stopped now? Her moveset was quite aerial based and she at one point was trying to get the crowd to pop for her jumping to the outside.

Mauro Ranallo has great enthusiasm but it would be ever so good if he could focus on the match instead of showing how cultured he is. You know the Wu Tang Clan's most famous song, well done Mauro. "Hip Hip LeRae" made me visibly cringe.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on September 20, 2019, 12:46:16 AM
THAT MATCH WAS SHORTER THAN A TIK TOK VIDEO!!!!!!!! MAMMA MIA..... YIM!

Pretty sure Io is still a heel, but much like Walter she's getting cheered regardless. She strikes me as someone who is going to launch herself from high places even if you tell her not to.

I just can't get into Mia Yim.

Loved the brawl at the end.

Nice to see Lio Rush back, he's such a great wrestler, that springboard stunner from the bottom rope was a spot I'd never seen before.

Imperium Vs Undisputed Era (or a mishmash of ring disrespecting NXT guys) at War Games or whatever should be fantastic. Loved cheeky little KUSHIDA.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 20, 2019, 11:46:15 AM
Still can't believe AEW called their weekly show "Dynamite" and everyone's okay with it. Sounds like one of those TNA memes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 20, 2019, 11:52:23 AM
Still can't believe AEW called their weekly show "Dynamite" and everyone's okay with it. Sounds like one of those TNA memes.

It's still better than "Full Gear". TBF they are scrapping an already scrapped barrell for PPV names. I much prefer the UFC or Progress naming convention of giving shows numbers that doesn't really fit AEW.

Come on guys competition time. Come up with a PPV name that doesn't sound immediately shit.

Uhhh.... checks Broadcast album track titles.... "AEW: Ominous Cloud". See shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 20, 2019, 12:00:34 PM
I'm fine with Dynamite. I was more worried they were going to call it Revolution, which was rumoured for a while.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: greenman on September 20, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
Still can't believe AEW called their weekly show "Dynamite" and everyone's okay with it. Sounds like one of those TNA memes.

I'm guessing maybe some recycled influence from New Japan? ever since Dynamite Kid's run in New Japan in the early 80's it did seem to crop up in Pro wrestling and MMA promotion there, Dynamite Kansai or FEG's MMA/K-1 year end show called Premium Dynamite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on September 20, 2019, 01:20:28 PM
Still can't believe AEW called their weekly show "Dynamite" and everyone's okay with it.

I like it.  It plays into their more old-school vibe nicely.  Full Gear's an odd one.  I don't mind it, because I enjoy BTE, but I'm hoping it's just a temporary bit of smark service to keep their existing fanbase engaged whilst they expand.  If in a year's time they're still naming PPVs after in-jokes from press conferences, I might have some sterner verbiage.

AEW STERNER VERBIAGE: Order NOW on FITE TV!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 20, 2019, 01:32:42 PM
Dynamite sounds like a parody of Nitro. Maybe it is. Who knows these days.

Anyway, coming soon - AEW Hard Bastards.

You'd watch it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 20, 2019, 03:13:21 PM
One of the biggest laughs I ever had a wrestling was when a local indie ring announcer said:

"AND NOW.... FOR OUR MMMMAAAAIIIINNNNN EVENT... A MONEY-IN-THE-BANK-(style*) MATCH...."

*whispered and mumbled.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 20, 2019, 04:04:40 PM
Dynamite sounds like a parody of Nitro. Maybe it is. Who knows these days.

Sounds like an Aldi version of Nitro.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 20, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
Wednesday Night Dynamite rolls off the tongue quite nicely.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: petrilTanaka on September 20, 2019, 06:40:18 PM
Dynamite sounds like a parody of Nitro. Maybe it is. Who knows these days.

Anyway, coming soon - AEW Hard Bastards.

You'd watch it.

and of course, Monday Nitro was a riff on Monday Night Raw
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 20, 2019, 10:07:59 PM
Wednesday Night Dynamite rolls off the tongue quite nicely.

It's just called Dynamite though. They couldn't even do the obvious with it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 21, 2019, 02:32:04 AM
It's just called Dynamite though. They couldn't even do the obvious with it.

They’re using Wednesday Night Dynamite in like tweets and stuff though. I imagine they just didn’t officially call the show Wednesday Night Dynamite in case TNT moves it to another day at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 21, 2019, 09:01:52 AM
Still can't believe AEW called their weekly show "Dynamite" and everyone's okay with it. Sounds like one of those TNA memes.

Yeah its awful.

Also dont get why people arent talking about the old number one first number 1 contender Page not being on the poster. Bit odd.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 21, 2019, 01:00:03 PM
Also dont get why people arent talking about the old number one first number 1 contender Page not being on the poster. Bit odd.
Cos he was a bit of a flop and they now have to put him on the backburner for a bit? Other people are gonna be beating him for a while I assume?

The whole tracking wins thing seems like it has the potential to be very messy. Do they only list out their record for the last x number of months? or will you have guys challenging for the title from winning streaks where a string of losses from a year or two will be tarnishing the record?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on September 21, 2019, 03:45:17 PM
Hangman Page has a really vanilla gimmick, he reminds me of 90's Dustin Rhodes. The name is more befitting of a grizzled take no prisoners veteran. It's no surprise that he's not getting over.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 21, 2019, 06:27:33 PM
They’re using Wednesday Night Dynamite in like tweets and stuff though. I imagine they just didn’t officially call the show Wednesday Night Dynamite in case TNT moves it to another day at some point in the future.

Fair enough. I don't know, it just sounds like a tacky Nitro rip-off. But, with everything, I'll get used to it.

Meanwhile, Goldberg and Ziggler are scuffling in Vegas https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1175201024006471680?s=20

Would have worked a lot better if the guys pulling them apart weren't grinning.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 21, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
Fair enough. I don't know, it just sounds like a tacky Nitro rip-off. But, with everything, I'll get used to it.

Yeah that's the thing isn't it. Time numbs us to these dumb names. I mean, Smackdown is a terrible name, but we don't think twice about it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Osmium on September 21, 2019, 11:44:50 PM
Io Shirai vs Kairi Sane from 2013 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCdcUVtWSE. It's crazy how long Io has been so good now, see also this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NyrWcr65Lc.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: petrilTanaka on September 21, 2019, 11:48:33 PM
Meanwhile, Goldberg and Ziggler are scuffling in Vegas https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1175201024006471680?s=20

Zoidberg and Giggler
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 22, 2019, 02:43:29 AM
Io Shirai vs Kairi Sane from 2013 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCdcUVtWSE. It's crazy how long Io has been so good now, see also this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NyrWcr65Lc.

Thanks for these. Really good stuff. It’s so depressing how badly WWE use their Joshi talent. If the rumours are true and they bringing Sareee in then great for her but they need to bring in satomura as full time agent and give her free reign to book the women’s division. Sane looks so lightweight in WWE and less said about what they doing with Asuka the better but they need to develop the division to adapt to Joshi style not the other way around.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 22, 2019, 06:34:21 AM
It's criminal that they brought Kairi up to the main roster before we got some NXT Io vs. Kairi matches. Further criminal that she's basically vanished since being called up. Further, further criminal that Asuka has also been caught in this Bermuda Triangle tag team scenario. I love Kairi and Asuka but I effectively think of them as retired, these days. At least Io seems to be getting a chance to shine in NXT.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 22, 2019, 12:10:55 PM
It's even worse because Kairi was in the middle of a storyline in NXT and quite clearly was going to be the person Io turned on (it makes more sense than LeRae). That means we were going to get Io vs. Kairi. But no, Vince snap-called her up for a tag team that hasn't been on TV in months.

Thank god NXT got the TV deal because I think that means we'll see fewer "call ups" to Raw and SD. Hopefully, Io can stay killing it in NXT for a good while.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 22, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
I haven't watch the NJPW show yet but the Liger/Suzuki thing I have just seen on the internet is unbelieveable and if it is what I think it is the booking of Liger's retirement is shaping up to be up there with one of the best stories in wrestling ever. Not sure exactly what the jist is as i just saw silent clip but yes... god I love Suzuki so much.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on September 22, 2019, 04:39:09 PM
I haven't watch the NJPW show yet but the Liger/Suzuki thing I have just seen on the internet is unbelieveable and if it is what I think it is the booking of Liger's retirement is shaping up to be up there with one of the best stories in wrestling ever. Not sure exactly what the jist is as i just saw silent clip but yes... god I love Suzuki so much.

He unleashed his inner demon persona (I know Liger is a demon but this is like a malevolent demon) KISHIN LIGER. only ever done it three times before.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 22, 2019, 10:21:21 PM
He unleashed his inner demon persona (I know Liger is a demon but this is like a malevolent demon) KISHIN LIGER. only ever done it three times before.

SPOILER ALERT!! Yeah. Of course. :)

It’s fucking brilliant. They have shifted what was a Liger lap-of-honour retirement into the hottest feud in wrestling in one bit. NJPW is fire. I fucking love it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 23, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
Kenny Omega has gone full on troll on BTE. Ignore any clips on Twitter and watch the whole thing for context and it’s my favourite promo work of his. The real question is whether he trying to build himself as a troll heel or a troll face as the general reaction is WWE fans spitting dummies out (and drawing the completely wrong comparison with Seth Rollins outburst earlier) but could easily be embraced by AEW fans precisely for fact he is such a dickhead. He could end up the biggest heel in WWE and biggest face in AEW.

I approve.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 24, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Lacey Evans posted a staged video with a police officer in Canada. A lot of people on twitter got mad (what's new?) and it even made the news, so she put out this lame statement https://twitter.com/laceyevanswwe/status/1176155726340689920?s=21

Where's the commitment? The old school guys would have run wild with this. It's harder than ever to get legit heat, so why chicken out when you get some?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 24, 2019, 02:29:48 AM
Probably because WWE told her too or the death threats towards her daughter got too much.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 24, 2019, 06:48:45 AM
Lacey Evans posted a staged video with a police officer in Canada. A lot of people on twitter got mad (what's new?) and it even made the news, so she put out this lame statement https://twitter.com/laceyevanswwe/status/1176155726340689920?s=21

Where's the commitment? The old school guys would have run wild with this. It's harder than ever to get legit heat, so why chicken out when you get some?

It was well worked, with the policeman doing a great job. WWE is too sensitive to PR to let it play out, especially with everybody having their own personal forum to complain these days. Back in the day folk would have had a grumble about it and then got on with their lives, only remembering it when WWE were next in town. She got some mainstream exposure over it though, which will please her bosses.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 24, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
Probably because WWE told her too or the death threats towards her daughter got too much.

Wouldn't have stopped Harley Race or Ric Flair. And they probably got threatened and attacked in real life.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 24, 2019, 12:36:37 PM
Wouldn't have stopped Harley Race or Ric Flair. And they probably got threatened and attacked in real life.

Different time though isn't it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on September 24, 2019, 12:44:30 PM
Plus, Lacey's 'ex-job' (as they used to say on The Bill), so was always going to default to Blue Lives Matter at the first sign of controversy.  They could only have pulled this stunt off with her, really.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 24, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
I'm enjoying The Fiend slowly taking over the show, messing with the graphics and stuff. I hope when he wins the title that he fully takes over, like when Mil Muertes won the title in Lucha Underground.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on September 25, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
ITV 4 have picked up Dynamite, but in perhaps one the most baffling scheduling decisions ever are sticking it on a Sunday morning at 20 past 8. Doesn’t seem to be any live showing at all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 25, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
ITV 4 have picked up Dynamite, but in perhaps one the most baffling scheduling decisions ever are sticking it on a Sunday morning at 20 past 8. Doesn’t seem to be any live showing at all.

Increasingly depressing this. Just not giving fans what they want. Add to that the information leaking in about how WWE is blocking its contracted talent on UK European indies and it feels like there is an organised effort to just ruin UK wrestling. The Schadenfreuder stuff in Manchester looked real fun mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on September 25, 2019, 09:40:11 PM
Increasingly depressing this. Just not giving fans what they want. Add to that the information leaking in about how WWE is blocking its contracted talent on UK European indies and it feels like there is an organised effort to just ruin UK wrestling. The Schadenfreuder stuff in Manchester looked real fun mind.

As someone has just pointed out on Twitter, it’s going to result in the go home
Dynamite being aired after the actual PPV. The numbers are going to be dire if they’re expecting people to wait 4 days for it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 25, 2019, 10:18:29 PM
Quote
Tony Khan: We’ll work together to ensure there will always be a free to air broadcast of the most recent episode of AEW: Dynamite before Saturday PPVs including Full Gear. We’ll also be announcing a live viewing solution soon for the UK + many other countries with great AEW fans. Thank you!

That makes it sound like to watch it live we'll have to pay.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on September 25, 2019, 10:34:56 PM
Not sure about this business model of getting people to pay for the things they watch.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 25, 2019, 10:53:26 PM
Not sure about this business model of getting people to pay for the things they watch.

ITV is funded by advertising. Like Coronation St.

If they are launching a live ITV subscription service via FITE TV then they need to realise that it's less than a week until launch and it would be nice to tell us. And what is acceptable price point? £10 a month would be fine (for 8 hours wrestling) but I paid £20 for Bloodsport at around 3 hours. I'll have a look to see how much the Beyond season pass is as a comparison.

Here you go. Beyond Wrestling season pass - $150 for 18 episodes.

https://www.fite.tv/watch/beyond-wrestling-uncharted-territory/2oiw9/

So $450 a year if it was a weekly show. Who on here would pay that for AEW?

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 25, 2019, 11:10:30 PM
AEW Dynamite will be available live for international viewers on FiteTV: https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1176977599991615489/photo/2

It requires a monthly subscription of $4.99 (so about £4).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 25, 2019, 11:52:19 PM
I'm enjoying The Fiend slowly taking over the show, messing with the graphics and stuff.

I'm not sure where I stand on Rollins screaming this week, instead of looking terrified in a more believable way last week. But the shot when The Fiend pounced on Braun for the second attack was P H A T.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 26, 2019, 01:40:17 AM
Wrestling fans really fuck me off. (not you guys you are all lovely). This should be alternative to the world of shite we all living in but the fucking moaning on line (yes that is my problem) about this AEW Fite deal is something else. So we get to subscribe to AEW TV for $5 a month (so about $1 an episode) compared to, for example, £76 for a replica money in the bank briefcase on WWE Store Europe. It's a fucking bargain and means that literally anyone on Earth can watch now without signing literally hundreds of TV deals. Yes there are issues about exposure without TV but they have done pretty well on that measure so far.

My only beef will be if they stream it live on FITE and you can't watch it any time but if it has a full catch up service then basically they have guaranteed my custom with this. Great way of doing it.

Edit: and it shows just how much I actually care because I haven't even realised NXT is even on.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 26, 2019, 01:41:20 AM
AEW Dynamite will be available live for international viewers on FiteTV: https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1176977599991615489/photo/2

It requires a monthly subscription of $4.99 (so about £4).


Or, in summary, cheers for this. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 26, 2019, 08:55:09 AM
It’s actually a pretty good deal, but it really feels like a missed opportunity now that WWE are going behind a new paywall. To put Dynamite behind an even more obscure paywall just reeks of trying to cash in on the hardcore fans rather than any serious attempt to capitalise on the void WWE leave by vacating Sky.

ITV4 at 8:20 on a Sunday morning is just dreadful if they hope to get eyes on the show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 26, 2019, 09:11:16 AM
I presume that ITV slot is just an initial deal, and if it does well for the slot it can be moved?


Making the live broadcast paid for but at a relatively low price seems sound enough to me tbh, how many people who aren't willing to pay are willing to watch at 2am on a Thursday morning? and how many of those people don't even have a television atm?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 26, 2019, 04:52:46 PM
Looks like lots of changes to the announcing in WWE.

(https://i.ibb.co/rvTQ3RL/Screenshot-2019-09-26-WWE-Premiere-Week-unveils-unprecedented-coverage.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 26, 2019, 05:17:39 PM
PWSheet saying that Lawler's role is only temporary and that they're testing out others to fill the role in the future. Mickie James was on commentary for Main Event this week apparently.

WWE also confirmed a new talk show airing Tuesdays on Fox called WWE Backstage, hosted by Renee Young and Booker T.

And in other news, PWInsider reporting that Johnny Mundo/Impact has re-signed with WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 26, 2019, 05:36:12 PM
Where's Tom Phillips going?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 26, 2019, 05:45:43 PM


And in other news, PWInsider reporting that Johnny Mundo/Impact has re-signed with WWE.

Not sure it'll turn business around, but I like him and will watch him as much as I watch anything!

Which is basically Smackdown
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on September 26, 2019, 08:29:36 PM
Where's Tom Phillips going?

Keep reading this in John Virgo’s voice
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 26, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Across WWE/NXT/AEW next week, these are just some of the matches we'll see...

Kofi Kingston v Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship

Adam Cole v Matt Riddle for the NXT Championship

Riho v Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's Championship

Shayna Baszler v Candice LeRae for the NXT Women's Championship

AJ Styles v Cedric Alexander for the US Title

PAC v Hangman Page

Sasha & Bayley v Charlotte & Becky

Undisputed Era v Street Profits for the NXT Tag Championships

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks v Jericho and Two Mystery Partners (probably LAX)

Kevin Owens v Shane McMahon in a Ladder Match

Cody v Sammy Guevara

Becky Lynch v Sasha Banks in Hell In A Cell for the Raw Women's Championship

Seth Rollins v Bray Wyatt in Hell In A Cell for Universal Championship
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 26, 2019, 08:49:06 PM
Across WWE/NXT/AEW next week, these are just some of the matches we'll see...

Kofi Kingston v Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship

Adam Cole v Matt Riddle for the NXT Championship

Riho v Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's Championship

Shayna Baszler v Candice LeRae for the NXT Women's Championship

AJ Styles v Cedric Alexander for the US Title

PAC v Hangman Page

Sasha & Bayley v Charlotte & Becky

Undisputed Era v Street Profits for the NXT Tag Championships

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks v Jericho and Two Mystery Partners (probably LAX)

Kevin Owens v Shane McMahon in a Ladder Match

Cody v Sammy Guevara

Becky Lynch v Sasha Banks in Hell In A Cell for the Raw Women's Championship

Seth Rollins v Bray Wyatt in Hell In A Cell for Universal Championship

Too much. Can’t be arsed. I tap. :)

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 26, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
Let me see ...

Kofi Kingston v Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship - Not interested. Kofi is a boring champion and Brock winning the belt again does not interest.

Adam Cole v Matt Riddle for the NXT Championship - Could be great if they avoid the kick-out-of-a-million-finishers stuff.

Riho v Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's Championship - Don't really know them so can't comment.

Shayna Baszler v Candice LeRae for the NXT Women's Championship - I can't stick Baszler, so would enjoy a title change here.

AJ Styles v Cedric Alexander for the US Title - This must surely be a joke. AJ has destroyed Cedric twice now, so why does he get a title match? This is why titles mean nothing in WWE.

PAC v Hangman Page - Love Pac. Hangman bores me.

Sasha & Bayley v Charlotte & Becky - Should be really good if allowed to be.

Undisputed Era v Street Profits for the NXT Tag Championships - UE always deliver.

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks v Jericho and Two Mystery Partners (probably LAX) - Absolutely no interest.

Kevin Owens v Shane McMahon in a Ladder Match - Shane suice attempt number 2,106. Loser will probably just go to Raw.

Cody v Sammy Guevara - Nope.

Becky Lynch v Sasha Banks in Hell In A Cell for the Raw Women's Championship - Could be good, but Banks almost killed hereself a number of times when last in HiaC.

Seth Rollins v Bray Wyatt in Hell In A Cell for Universal Championship - Probably what I want to see most, if only to see Bray win the belt.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 26, 2019, 09:50:37 PM
That's a lot of disinterest
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 26, 2019, 09:53:59 PM
All seems fair to me, although I don't see Bray winning the belt, there will be shenanigans.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 26, 2019, 10:34:20 PM
That's a lot of disinterest

Aye. New Japan's still the one that grips me the most to be honest.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 27, 2019, 01:32:26 AM
Well this is absolutely mental.

https://twitter.com/nasserwrestling/status/1177347347673767938?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 27, 2019, 02:33:03 AM
Well this is absolutely mental.

https://twitter.com/nasserwrestling/status/1177347347673767938?s=21

Fucking CHRIST!

I know that's far less dangerous than the Lucha Bros/Young Bucks ladder match but, somehow, it's way more grisly and unpleasant to me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on September 27, 2019, 09:20:40 AM
Kofi Kingston v Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship
Pretty cool. I really enjoy Kofi's reign and I hope he beats the beast. Would make a great start in The Land of Opportunity's new home.

Adam Cole v Matt Riddle for the NXT Championship
Awesome. Gonna be a really good match.


Riho v Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's Championship

No interest considering the main Dynamite (awful name) poster kinda spoiled who is gonna win.

Shayna Baszler v Candice LeRae for the NXT Women's Championship
Shayna is awesome. Looking forward to this.

AJ Styles v Cedric Alexander for the US Title
Meh. Why does Alexander get a title shot again?

PAC v Hangman Page
Page is dull. No interest.

Sasha & Bayley v Charlotte & Becky
Meh. No interest.

Undisputed Era v Street Profits for the NXT Tag Championships
Meh. No interest.

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks v Jericho and Two Mystery Partners (probably LAX)
Meh. No interest. AEW killed any steam Omega had, can't enjoy Young Bucks matches and Jericho is mediocre in the ring nowadays.

Kevin Owens v Shane McMahon in a Ladder Match
Meh.

Cody v Sammy Guevara
Meh.

Becky Lynch v Sasha Banks in Hell In A Cell for the Raw Women's Championship
Becky is a dull champ. Meh.

Seth Rollins v Bray Wyatt in Hell In A Cell for Universal Championship
Yeah, looking forward to this one. Hope the Fiend gets the championship.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 27, 2019, 11:36:22 AM
All seems fair to me, although I don't see Bray winning the belt, there will be shenanigans.

Strowman’s involved in the angle. There will be no end of shenanigans.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on September 27, 2019, 12:37:06 PM
AEW Dynamite will be available live for international viewers on FiteTV: https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1176977599991615489/photo/2

It requires a monthly subscription of $4.99 (so about £4).

Meh, I tend to catch up on me graps at weekends anyway, so the ITV thing suits me (although I'll probably watch it later in the day on the Hub).  Apparently you can get individual episodes for $2.99, so I'll consider that for the go-homes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 27, 2019, 12:52:30 PM
The problem with the ITV thing is that Cody said the show will be TV-14, so the blood, weapons and MJF promos will probably get chopped up for morning broadcasts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on September 27, 2019, 01:07:25 PM
ISTR Tony Khan saying there would'nt be blood on the weekly shows - have they walked that back?  I reckon the rating's mainly there for promo purposes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 27, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
Hope it's like Nitro on channel 5 with Batman style POW! icons to cover up the violence.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on September 27, 2019, 06:10:27 PM
Kofi Kingston v Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship
Kofi wins via New Day interference, have Big E slam Brock through a table or something, and start pushing him leading to a New Day Break-up and Big E heel turn

Adam Cole v Matt Riddle for the NXT Championship
Undisputed Era need to keep the gold for a while

Riho v Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's Championship
Don't really care. I don't think Nyla is being booked well.

Shayna Baszler v Candice LeRae for the NXT Women's Championship
I'd quite like some kind of fluke shock win here.

AJ Styles v Cedric Alexander for the US Title
I don't think Cedric's quite there yet, but let them go for a good fifteen minutws.

PAC v Hangman Page
Hopefully PAC pushes Page back to the midcard.

Sasha & Bayley v Charlotte & Becky
Sewing the seeds to the four horsewomen feud.

Undisputed Era v Street Profits for the NXT Tag Championships
As above.

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks v Jericho and Two Mystery Partners (probably LAX)
Not fussed, the Elite are too afraid to put themselves over.

Kevin Owens v Shane McMahon in a Ladder Match
Stone Cold Steve Owens will keep his job.

Cody v Sammy Guevara
Zzzzzz

Becky Lynch v Sasha Banks in Hell In A Cell for the Raw Women's Championship
Could be good.

Seth Rollins v Bray Wyatt in Hell In A Cell for Universal Championship
Would love to see a complete swerve and have children's TV show Bray come out and put on a cowardly showing, just delay the Fiend.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 27, 2019, 06:29:15 PM
It looks like CM Punk might be on his way back to WWE in some capacity...

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Numerous WWE sources have confirmed to PWInsider.com that former WWE Champion CM Punk was at FOX Studios earlier this week in Los Angeles meeting for a potential on-air role for WWE Backstage, the new FOX Sports 1 studio show that will debut on the cable network on 11/5.

We are told that Renee Young was also present and that Punk did some test on-camera material. We have not confirmed that Punk has signed on for the series.

FOX had been bringing in a number of personalities from inside and outside the WWE umbrella for the show. Punk was not the only unique personality who has been brought in to potentially appear on WWE Backstage. Former ECW World Champion and WWE announcer Taz (currently with CBS Sports Radio) was brought in several times in recent months by FOX for a potential role on the series.

Paige, Rey Mysterio and Sean Waltman have also been brought in by FOX Producers for a potential role.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 27, 2019, 08:28:51 PM
It looks like CM Punk might be on his way back to WWE in some capacity...

This all smells like bullshit. Can’t quite work out which flavour mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 27, 2019, 08:32:32 PM
You know, I'm pretty disinterested myself :/

Kofi Kingston v Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship
Hope Brock kills the career midcarder who throws pancakes like a career midcarder

Adam Cole v Matt Riddle for the NXT Championship
Don't watch NXT

Riho v Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's Championship
Shrug

Shayna Baszler v Candice LeRae for the NXT Women's Championship
Shrug

AJ Styles v Cedric Alexander for the US Title
Shrug. Styles I suppose?

PAC v Hangman Page
Shrug

Sasha & Bayley v Charlotte & Becky
Shrug

Undisputed Era v Street Profits for the NXT Tag Championships
*slouches disinterestedly*

Kenny Omega & The Young Bucks v Jericho and Two Mystery Partners (probably LAX)
Yeah I'd like this for Jez and Ken

Kevin Owens v Shane McMahon in a Ladder Match
Shane should get zero offence and out-Muta Eddie back in 04 or 05 and never wrestle again. Just get out of the fucking ring. Buy another failing MMA promotion in China or something, just fuck off. Owens can stay as long as he can Mass Transit (that's a verb here) so his blood gushes over the mat, painting it crimson, shocking the audience into vomit, but not to lasting damage of Shane, bar any condition that stops him ever again being in front of a crowd or on TV

Cody v Sammy Guevara
Who vs who

Becky Lynch v Sasha Banks in Hell In A Cell for the Raw Women's Championship
Sasha's been done for years

Seth Rollins v Bray Wyatt in Hell In A Cell for Universal Championship
Midcard hell
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on September 27, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
This all smells like bullshit. Can’t quite work out which flavour mind.

Clearly just a ruse to throw us off the scent for him walking out at the AEW mall on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 27, 2019, 08:50:49 PM
Clearly just a ruse to throw us off the scent for him walking out at the AEW mall on Wednesday night.

I'd laugh and laugh if it's just a ruse for Punk to go back to Ring of Honor
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 27, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
Between Fox and the Saudi deal continuing, surely every old fucker under the sun is gonna emerge for a wee comeback run. An Austin return suddenly seems plausible again, Michaels has already gone back on his word so why not go a little further?
Was Sting officially no longer cleared to wrestle or did he just decide that last injury was a sign to pack it in?

Brock being put on Smackdown could signal that show becoming like TNA with the network bankrolling old stars to boost numbers and the company being incapable of resisting the opportunity.
Punk could absolutely bleed them right now with Vince wanting to make some kind of statement, I dunno if he'd do it though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 12:19:40 AM
There is that I suppose. You know Vince would pay Punk millions to get him back and “win“ and I could imagine Punk the type of person who would think he is being edgy by going back and swerving everyone who said he never would. Also got AJ factor and she would easily slot back into to women’s main event scene. Would properly find it funny if he turned up in ROH or Impact mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 28, 2019, 12:42:15 AM
Brock being put on Smackdown could signal that show becoming like TNA with the network bankrolling old stars to boost numbers and the company being incapable of resisting the opportunity.

Brock is not an old star though. He's an member of the current roster with a much more limited schedule.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 28, 2019, 01:52:39 AM
Brock is not an old star though. He's an member of the current roster with a much more limited schedule.

He's a star.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 28, 2019, 01:55:47 AM
Punk definitely seemed open to a WWE return during his Starrcast interview, saying that he’s open to talking to them, no longer bitter, and how surprised he was when he learned WWE talent can now ask for time off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 28, 2019, 02:00:05 AM
Punk definitely seemed open to a WWE return during his Starrcast interview, saying that he’s open to talking to them, no longer bitter, and how surprised he was when he learned WWE talent can now ask for time off.

Really? I ain't watching much no more but I read the newsletters and catch the odd audio

My money would still never go on it.

But he hasn't done anything else meaningful. I can see him coming back to the class. Just... WWE?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 02:01:02 AM
Punk definitely seemed open to a WWE return during his Starrcast interview, saying that he’s open to talking to them, no longer bitter, and how surprised he was when he learned WWE talent can now ask for time off.

That might be true but they took him through a bullshit court case that cost him a fortune in legal fees and he fell out with Colt Cabana over it. If he goes back to WWE and without resolving his issues with CC then he can go royaly fuck himself anyway. But we all know how this works with Vince.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 02:01:37 AM
Really? I ain't watching much no more but I read the newsletters and catch the odd audio

My money would still never go on it.

But he hasn't done anything else meaningful. I can see him coming back to the class. Just... WWE?

Hey man. Welcome to the forum. Good to have a New voice on board. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 02:24:08 AM
Been back to work recently so haven’t had all day everyday to watch wrestling so taking chance for some Friday night NJPW catch up. And my hottest of takes...

Is it just me who just doesn’t quite see Ibushi as The Guy? Obviously he is very good and has a body to die for and gives off great pure baby face vibes as ever I just find him.. a little... meh. Maybe it’s just a consequence of how awesome NJPW is but he’s not in my top 5 NJPW favs and on current form I’d probably put him in lower top 10.

Am I objectively wrong on this?

Edit: I’ve just realised I think it’s because he doesn’t do enough chops. I fucking love chops. I want to start a wrestling promotion where only move allowed is chops. Or at least have a Chop Classic. Like Bloodsports but for chops. Chops and roll ups. Oh I would love to see that. A chops and roll ups only rule match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 28, 2019, 02:25:34 AM
That might be true but they took him through a bullshit court case that cost him a fortune in legal fees and he fell out with Colt Cabana over it. If he goes back to WWE and without resolving his issues with CC then he can go royaly fuck himself anyway. But we all know how this works with Vince.

Yeah, I've never been anti-CM Punk like so many fans but if he returns to WWE after putting Cabana through the wringer (and apparently getting angry at Cabana when he showed up backstage at a WWE show to visit friends) then that comes across as massively hypocritical. Not gonna lie - would be really disappointed if Punk shows up in WWE again, mainly because it would feel like the bad guy (Vince) winning and getting away with being a nasty, vindictive fucker who can always buy forgiveness. Would also make me think far less of Punk as a person.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 02:28:43 AM
Yeah, I've never been anti-CM Punk like so many fans but if he returns to WWE after putting Cabana through the wringer (and apparently getting angry at Cabana when he showed up backstage at a WWE show to visit friends) then that comes across as massively hypocritical. Not gonna lie - would be really disappointed if Punk shows up in WWE again, mainly because it would feel like the bad guy (Vince) winning and getting away with being a nasty, vindictive fucker who can always buy forgiveness. Would also make me think far less of Punk as a person.

Ironically, it would put Punk down in my estimation but Vince up. Vince is a fucking maniac but how is supposed to learn to be better if he keeps experience a reality that people can be bought? It’s (almost) not his own fault. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on September 28, 2019, 02:30:13 AM
Been back to work recently so haven’t had all day everyday to watch wrestling so taking chance for some Friday night NJPW catch up. And my hottest of takes...

Is it just me who just doesn’t quite see Ibushi as The Guy? Obviously he is very good and has a body to die for and gives off great pure baby face vibes as ever I just find him.. a little... meh. Maybe it’s just a consequence of how awesome NJPW is but he’s not in my top 5 NJPW favs and on current form I’d probably put him in lower top 10.

Am I objectively wrong on this?

You are objectively wrong and should probably find some way to punish yourself. I am FURIOUS at you.

Nah, different graps for different chaps but Ibushi is probably my favourite at the moment (unless Hiromu ever returns). I just love his mix of styles - the fact he can have a brutal striking battle with Ishii and then match Ospreay in the air. Plus he's absurdly beautiful. The NJPW roster is STACKED at the mo, though, so I could see how anyone would maybe prefer Tanahashi, Okada, Suzuki, Ishii, Ospreay, Jay White, Naito, Shingo, etc.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 02:51:20 AM
You are objectively wrong and should probably find some way to punish yourself. I am FURIOUS at you.

Nah, different graps for different chaps but Ibushi is probably my favourite at the moment (unless Hiromu ever returns). I just love his mix of styles - the fact he can have a brutal striking battle with Ishii and then match Ospreay in the air. Plus he's absurdly beautiful. The NJPW roster is STACKED at the mo, though, so I could see how anyone would maybe prefer Tanahashi, Okada, Suzuki, Ishii, Ospreay, Jay White, Naito, Shingo, etc.

Ha ha. I have just tried to chop oneself in an act of self-flagellatory contrition for one’s incorrect view but it’s really hard to get the required purchase for the act to feel worthwhile. :)

Yeah it’s just that (in order) Ishii, Suzuki, Okada, Jay White, Shingo (and actually Yano - sorry - I fucking love him) just make me giddy with excitement every time I watch them. Ibushi is just a notch below that even though objectively he is technically brilliant. I feel the same about Tanahashi TBF; someone I feel I’ve not watched through his best work.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 03:01:24 AM
And TBF outside of NJPW the only people I would even consider for the list (not including Joshi as there are so many ace women in Joshi promotions at the moment who have real star power) is Brock, Velveteen Dream, Riddle, Tessa Blanchard, Lucha Bros, and El Hijo del Vikingo; wrestlers who I HAVE to watch everything they do. And anything on Bloodsports. And Scarlett Bordeaux.

Wrestling is mint isn’t it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Osmium on September 28, 2019, 04:11:43 AM
Chop Classic.

The closest thing that exists: https://twitter.com/mrlariato/status/797918135277867008

https://rutube.ru/video/8178a13284faf115f4ec9b0b74d46ff3/
Go Shiozaki & Yuji Okabayashi vs. Yuji Hino & Daisuke Sekimoto
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 28, 2019, 03:36:15 PM
Punk definitely seemed open to a WWE return during his Starrcast interview, saying that he’s open to talking to them, no longer bitter, and how surprised he was when he learned WWE talent can now ask for time off.

Didn't seem that way to me. Time has eased his anger, but he's content in where he's at. His surprise at the time off seemed to be more like "where the fuck was this when I needed it?!". He took another dig at their bad doctors as well.

In terms of talking to them, he said he “wouldn’t not talk to them” and “I’ll talk to anybody”, basically meaning that if Vince or Triple H wanted to smooth things over, he’d at least hear them out. He seemed to be deliberate in his wording, so that it didn’t sound like he was willing to make any sort of deal.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 28, 2019, 04:42:39 PM
Maybe. I read it as he's open to making a return to the company.

The latest from Meltzer:

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Small update on the Punk situation from Dave today on Observer Radio. He mentions that the impression he was given is that Punk’s tryout went well and that it is likely he’ll get an offer to work on the WWE Backstage show.

Dave mentions that it would be FOX hiring him and not WWE, although many he has talked to speculate Punk would like to get a “Lesnar or Goldberg” type deal to come back and wrestle. He also says that he doesn’t think FOX would hire Punk if WWE was against it.

Final note, he says that after the ESPN interview a few months ago where Punk criticized AEW for mentioning him, AEW people told Dave they’d “never work with him”. Dave notes that the full story of what happened makes that stance understandable, but did not go into detail on what the full story is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on September 28, 2019, 04:58:57 PM
Oh, I didn't know this stuff was coming from Meltzer. That would be such a strange and disappointing way for him to return. It also means he'd presumably have to watch the product, and he's openly said numerous times over the past couple of years that he can't even stand it these days. I'm sure money will help that though. Ultimately I'm just glad he might be coming back.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 28, 2019, 05:21:21 PM
Oh, I didn't know this stuff was coming from Meltzer. That would be such a strange and disappointing way for him to return. It also means he'd presumably have to watch the product, and he's openly said numerous times over the past couple of years that he can't even stand it these days. I'm sure money will help that though. Ultimately I'm just glad he might be coming back.

It originally came from PWInsider, who are usually reliable, and now Meltzer has commented it on too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 28, 2019, 10:59:07 PM
Listening to WOR today and Dave seems to be quite confident* that there is legs to this. How much of is Dave sounding like he was always in the loop I'm not sure but his explanation that Punk pissed off the AEW guys and WWE is his obvious pay cheque is decent one. If you got rinsed for a few million off a court case then what better way to get money back than signing a multi million quid deal with the cunt who fucked you over in first place.

Speaking of which... what are these "Conor is off it" stories Dave keeps referring to with regards to McGregor being a mad-'ead?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on September 28, 2019, 11:32:23 PM
Listening to WOR today and Dave seems to be quite confident* that there is legs to this. How much of is Dave sounding like he was always in the loop I'm not sure but his explanation that Punk pissed off the AEW guys and WWE is his obvious pay cheque is decent one. If you got rinsed for a few million off a court case then what better way to get money back than signing a multi million quid deal with the cunt who fucked you over in first place.

Speaking of which... what are these "Conor is off it" stories Dave keeps referring to with regards to McGregor being a mad-'ead?
Why's he pissed off with the AEW guys?

It'd be very much what I'd expect from CM Punk to vilify someone else so he can justify returning to WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 29, 2019, 12:06:10 AM
Why's he pissed off with the AEW guys?

It'd be very much what I'd expect from CM Punk to vilify someone else so he can justify returning to WWE.

Meltz suggest it is the opposite. The CM Punk interview he did rubbed them up the wrong way. So his comments at Starrcade were more aimed at building bridges with WWE knowing that AEW weren't for him. I'm still not entirely convinced but being the same age as Punk (and John Morrison) I totally get how a nice pay cheque would come in handy if the option was there.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 29, 2019, 01:58:51 AM
Staying up for the NJPW NYC show. No idea how good the show will be but the way they book the Young Lions is my favourite thing in all of wrestling. It is fucking brilliant; in-ring-storytelling at it's very best.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 29, 2019, 02:35:06 AM
This show is the proof that everything that you read about the state of wrestlng it absolute dogshit. The crowd is hot as fuck and loving every minute of it. If the wrestlers can go to WWE or AEW for big money fine but there is a sustainable wrestling world beyond that, (like as we see with GCW / Beyond for example. There are wrestlers that can make decent money, with crowds that love every second of it, and it is an absolute pleasure to be a part of it ( as a fan or a wrestler) then that is enough. NJPW is a main event promotion who is running indie level shows in the US and it is great.

Wrestling at this mid-promotion level is an utter joy. To an outsider the NJPW US cards were a bit disappointing but this show is fucking brilliant. Every match makes sense; every match is loads of fun and every wrestler from The Young Lions up are total stars because they have just ENOUGH fans who get it.  I love this shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 29, 2019, 12:09:36 PM
What is this about someone cancelling an ambulance and delaying the NJPW show?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on September 29, 2019, 02:29:12 PM
What is this about someone cancelling an ambulance and delaying the NJPW show?

It was really weird. Usual pre-screen on NJPW world. Show running late. Then it cuts to live show and there is a Japanese man in suit in ring stumbling with English. Then Rocky comes out in what felt like a gimmick, apologises to crowd for technical difficulties, throws a load of shirts into the crowd and then it cut back to the pre screen. It was only another 10 mins or so but this ambulance story seems bizarre.

The show was really fun though and if you do watch don't skip the opening matches as I thought they were the best.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on September 29, 2019, 04:55:01 PM
Pretty bummed about AEW not being live on ITV4. Sure, I wasn't going to watch it live, but I was going to watch the whole thing "as live" at my earliest convenience, like I do with NJPW.

Per this week's Observer newsletter, that 8:20AM show will be a different show to the US with 96 minutes of content as opposed to about 88 to 90 minutes of the original TX. And that's before they scoop out any naughty content, so it could be a very different proposition.

The 1-3AM broadcast would have got a tiny number of live viewers, but having it on demand in the same format as the US could do great business for establishing the brand in this country. Bummer!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on September 29, 2019, 05:16:45 PM
I'ma just mooch the Yank version I think.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on September 29, 2019, 07:53:34 PM
Rick Bognar, who played the fake Razor Ramon in WWF is dead. 49. Presumably something related to steroid abuse.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on September 30, 2019, 08:15:55 AM
I'ma just mooch the Yank version I think.

I'll do the same, as I'm sure the rest of the nerds who really want it will, but those catch-up numbers could have been a decent thing to have. Does make the UK feel a bit afterthoughty though, which I suppose it is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on September 30, 2019, 12:20:34 PM
I'll do the same, as I'm sure the rest of the nerds who really want it will, but those catch-up numbers could have been a decent thing to have. Does make the UK feel a bit afterthoughty though, which I suppose it is.

I suppose at least there is a way to watch it in the UK, either later on ITV or live on FiteTV. Meanwhile, Canada, which you think would be a major market, can't watch it legally at all at the minute.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 01, 2019, 12:33:48 AM
They've turned the Raw stage into a giant fun-house slide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBEawXvd-0c&feature=youtu.be

(looks alright to be fair - the pyro set up especially)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 01, 2019, 12:34:33 AM
The LED screens are being overpushed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 01, 2019, 01:12:08 AM
Holy cow this is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2019, 03:00:30 AM
Been quite enjoying this though perhaps it’s the new coat of paint and the fact I’m not at work

Seth Rollins is a total dork.

Lawler, usual shit old perv jokes aside has been quite good. Vic is always solid. Dio is quiet but considering he’s some 4chan anime edgelord that’s probably good.

Dominic getting fucked up was funny

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Post by: Moribunderast on October 01, 2019, 04:50:00 AM
Just read about the end to Raw. Poor Rusev and Lana. Is Heyman’s browser history just wall-to-wall cuck porn?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2019, 06:52:15 AM
I know it’s just fake and acting but.. that just sucked. Rusev needs to get out of WWE
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 01, 2019, 09:20:54 AM
Vince seems to have serious contempt for men who manage to marry beautiful women.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 01, 2019, 10:35:52 AM
Vince seems to have serious contempt for men who manage to marry beautiful women.

I think it's more when he thinks the guy is "ugly" and the woman is out of his league. Also probably a healthy dose of punishment for the pair for complaining and taking a break. Remember when the WWE higher-ups got angry and buried them when they had the "gall" to announce their engagement online which "ruined" an angle? Bizarrely, that dedication to character consistency doesn't seem to apply to, say, Stephanie, when she's heeling it up on Raw one segment then giving gifts to cancer survivors as the head of PR in the next...

God I hope AEW is an entertaining show and successful. Would be so great for guys to have the option not to work for these sociopaths. (I realise "sociopath" makes me sound angry at the Rusev/Lana situation - I'm not, I actually find it hilarious in it's pettiness but I do genuinely hope wrestlers soon have a real, well-paying alternative.)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 01, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
It's not exclusive to Rusev and Lana though. Trish Stratus has been with her high school sweetheart for her entire wrestling career and Vince loved making her get off with various men including himself. The way Marc Mero was treated with Sable, the Maria/Mike stuff at the moment, Miss Elizabeth and Hogan, Torrie Wilson, Alexa Bliss, even Stephanie. The idea of a beautiful woman being committed to someone seems to bother him, he wants them to break away.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 01, 2019, 02:52:29 PM
https://www.allelitewrestling.com/post/aew-dynamite-preview

RAW Attitude era esque.

Dynamite is a really stupid name though isn't it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 01, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
no more or less stupid than Raw, Smackdown, or Impact.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 01, 2019, 04:21:45 PM
I'd say a bit more stupid due to Nitro, which was at least a fairly clever play on Monday Night Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 01, 2019, 05:53:18 PM
I think it's decent

NItro being on TNT made sense
Wednesday Night Dynamite on TNT makes sense

Also rhymes a little well

Dunno what else you could call it. AEW Loose Craps?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 01, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
AEW Hard Bastards. How many times have I got to say it!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: petrilTanaka on October 01, 2019, 06:10:57 PM
AEW Hold The Bells
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on October 01, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
I think what made it worse for me is that Rusev - who I quite like - had *literally* nothing to do.

He basically had to stand in the ring, watch his wife get snogged by Lashley - but decided not to be angry enough to run up the ramp to confront them - and then turn around when the lights when dark to see another photo close-up of The Fiend attacking Rollins and stay out of the way of the photographs.

Can't even remember if he wrestled last night.

Still, that's the 'rasslin machine for ya.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 01, 2019, 08:32:22 PM
AEW Hard Bastards. How many times have I got to say it!

Should be called AEW Schmucks since they could have signed Punk but managed to fuck it up and (possibly) send him back to WWE. How do you manage that?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 01, 2019, 08:39:53 PM

Only saw clips but that new Raw set is pretty underwhelming. Didn't it literally end the same as last week? Bray lmaoing?

Smackdown is WWE's A show this week.

I'd be more excited for AEW but I don't know what to expect. Just pray they don't too much "comedy" that requires me to have followed em on YouTube. No librarians please!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 01, 2019, 11:06:55 PM
Aye. My take from Raw is that I just don’t like Raw so going to just stop bothering. The new set was cool and the commentary was better but it still annoys me and seeing Hogan out there all shilling for Saudis just makes me sick a little in my mouth. So I’m out. again. Just not for me. Even good Raw annoys me. I could watch Lesnar forever mind.

That one thing off the list.

I’ll be watching AEW tomorrow and haven’t even seen the first two NXT USA so will give it both a go.

I’ve been watching NJPW and I’ve got the game pass for NFL and both of those are far more enjoyable than WWE. If AEW is too much WWE-lite/-like I’ll skim it but going to get the FITE pass thing and give first month ago
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 01, 2019, 11:12:17 PM
Oh and it was mentioned on WOR today but I’ve been thinking it for a while but my big prediction for Smackdown is Cain Velasquez ending show to challenge Brock. He had talked about it before, FOX would love the MMA/Latino drawing power and he’s proven himself to be a natural. It would be absolutely silly* if they do fight and Cain insists on Cain-Lucha style he’s been doing but I see no reason why he can’t do both; Lucha style for AAA and MMA style for Smackdown.

This could eventually involve Cormier too which I’m all for (but soon as they all around 40 years old).

*Potentially car crash**
**Potentially brilliant
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 01, 2019, 11:40:03 PM
Haha, that Dynamite theme song is brilliant dumb wrestling music. “Light the fuse! Bring the boom! Dynamite!” Just the sorta thing I can half-drunkenly, half-ironically sing at the start of the show while my housemate frowns and leaves the room.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 01, 2019, 11:51:08 PM
Haha, that Dynamite theme song is brilliant dumb wrestling music. “Light the fuse! Bring the boom! Dynamite!” Just the sorta thing I can half-drunkenly, half-ironically sing at the start of the show while my housemate frowns and leaves the room.

The end riff sounds like it'll go great with pyro and JR yelling "Welcome to Wednesday Night Dynamite!" too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 02, 2019, 01:00:20 AM
Ha ha. It is an objectively terrible song but has there ever been a wrestling show theme that isn't since about 1992? I too approve of the riff though. Interesting use of rainbow motif.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 02, 2019, 01:45:45 AM
Oh, as someone who is generally very picky when it comes to music I am very much into wrestling having dumb, bad music. It’s why The Revival’s theme is my favourite. It’s god awful but I can totally imagine their characters listening to it backstage and thinking it makes them seem cool and badass.

Also saw a little promo by Jericho on AEW’s twitter. He’s clean shaven and looks way younger and better that way. I love the guy but his touring and drinking lifestyle have really seemed to catch up with his physique and dashing looks in the last year or two.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 02, 2019, 07:54:24 AM
Ha ha. It is an objectively terrible song but has there ever been a wrestling show theme that isn't since about 1992?

I liked the Smackdown one by, Drowning Pool was it? "Rise Up". Liked the ECW theme, goofy Heyman voice-over aside

I mean, even that's stuck in a time warp, but the CFo$ era of one musical phrase repeated for four minutes is hardly better.

Gotta listen to this AEW theme tonight. On paper it sounds... Right!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 02, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
One of my favourite themes is the original Smackdown theme (the one Maffew uses for Botchamania). The best ones are always the ones where you have no idea what the singer is saying.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 02, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
One of my favourite themes is the original Smackdown theme (the one Maffew uses for Botchamania). The best ones are always the ones where you have no idea what the singer is saying.

Similarly, the Attitude Era RAW theme. Here are the superstars trying to figure out the lyrics https://youtu.be/HlMMA2o7YI4
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: gmoney on October 02, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
This is my least favourite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPlAes9e3EU

You could slip into a coma listening to that. The best bit in the video is when HBK runs like his trousers are halfway down his arse.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 02, 2019, 01:31:58 PM
Should be called AEW Schmucks since they could have signed Punk but managed to fuck it up and (possibly) send him back to WWE. How do you manage that?
I don't think it's their fault. If he was as against it as he appeared to be, I'm not sure what AEW could have done to drive him back to WWE. I assume he was always going to do it at some point, although I do wish he'd not thrown one of his oldest friends under the bus if that were the case.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 02, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
Update on the AEW/ITV situation. The episodes will now be available on Thursdays from 7 pm on the ITV Hub...

(https://scontent.fhuy2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/71932566_438058600159437_24579543784226816_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_eui2=AeHBlAQTCu8CMTglnejd0iapj13OzIWOAqwRVuuhLkK-yP6M0W96FSyjrucjP0p_pDfI9Fk-h23X72sUXkjP7MoJGhocA2Z1xrL_763YDCet8Q&_nc_oc=AQmPrfEzymtxx-MEb5xS5o5rNCNaTtZj_zbk7lIhQn0mrlJPPdle4kgzBktvR5AgAUM&_nc_ht=scontent.fhuy2-1.fna&oh=bfb25df315154ecf389b05a6402596b6&oe=5E301DDC)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 02, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
Looks better! The Friday night replay might catch a few post pub folk!


Here are the bullet points

    Dynamite will now be available to view in the ITV Hub starting at 7 PM on Thursday night.
    A re-air will be on ITV4 at 11:20 PM Friday night.
    Another re-air will be on ITV4 at 8:20 AM Sunday morning.
    The one-hour highiight show will remain on Monday nights on the main ITV channel at 11:45 PM.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 02, 2019, 04:33:05 PM
What's ITV hub? Their version of iplayer?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 02, 2019, 04:34:19 PM
Yeah just their stupid name for the on demand stuff and live TV etc.

To be fair on the rare times I've used it.. I can't remember hating it
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 02, 2019, 04:36:37 PM
What time is AEW Boom Boom Explosions on live tonight? 1am?

I don't think it's their fault. If he was as against it as he appeared to be, I'm not sure what AEW could have done to drive him back to WWE. I assume he was always going to do it at some point, although I do wish he'd not thrown one of his oldest friends under the bus if that were the case.

He went sour on them after initially being open to a discussion. Didn't like how they kept talking about him publicly. It showed their amateurish business approach. With how everything ended with WWE, if Punk was open to the idea of a return, the pitch from AEW should have been easy, but they managed to flub it because they have trouble shutting up sometimes.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 02, 2019, 04:37:16 PM
Yeah just their stupid name for the on demand stuff and live TV etc.

To be fair on the rare times I've used it.. I can't remember hating it

Ta.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 02, 2019, 05:04:12 PM
Good news on the ITV showings. That's exactly what I was hoping for before the disappointing Fite TV announcement.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on October 02, 2019, 05:06:49 PM
What time is AEW Boom Boom Explosions on live tonight? 1am?

He went sour on them after initially being open to a discussion. Didn't like how they kept talking about him publicly. It showed their amateurish business approach. With how everything ended with WWE, if Punk was open to the idea of a return, the pitch from AEW should have been easy, but they managed to flub it because they have trouble shutting up sometimes.

According to Cody though, people from AEW did sit down in a room with Punk, it wasnt them just sending him a message on Twitter like Punk says. And because of the way Punk acted publically, theyre not really interested in working with him any more. Or maybe it was that Cody is open to talking to him but theyre not pursuing him. It's wrestling, who the fuck knows what the truth is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 02, 2019, 11:07:11 PM
Right. I've paid my $5 and have had a kip before so if I am still awake I will attempt to watch AEW. Actually, the most excited I have been for it in months. No more negativity from me and I want to only discuss the good stuff, as quite frankly, the world and the internet is a cesspit so let's embrace the joy.

Speaking of which I have seen pictures of the NWA tapings and it is exactly as I hoped. Studio set up with retro mat and the old flags.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.pwponderings.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/71753492_2628980740502461_2200284519943110656_o.jpg?fit=960%2C720&ssl=1)

It's going to be a weekly show on YouTube starting 8th October. No idea how I'm going to fit it in but definitely reckon it's got vibes that I fancy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 02, 2019, 11:25:15 PM
Punk has a tendency of making things happen in a way that he can believe he's 100% in the right where it's far more ambiguous. He's the perfect kind of guy to be feuding with someone like Vince cos Vince is such a 100% bastard that Punk probably will be 100% in the right, but when it comes to normal people and interpersonal situations it gets very different very fast.

Kinda like Bret maybe? Except Bret seems to have found a comfy position of constantly shitting on them but still turning up to collect cheques all the time too.


When's AEW? Doubt I'll watch live, US commercial breaks drive me insane
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 02, 2019, 11:55:20 PM
That NWA set-up is ace.

Enjoy AEW/NXT tonight, for those watching live. Unfortunately, they both air at the same time as Survivor, which means I can't watch live (I run a website about Survivor), so I'll have to catch up tomorrow. Hopefully I can avoid spoilers!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 12:38:05 AM
Punk has a tendency of making things happen in a way that he can believe he's 100% in the right where it's far more ambiguous. He's the perfect kind of guy to be feuding with someone like Vince cos Vince is such a 100% bastard that Punk probably will be 100% in the right, but when it comes to normal people and interpersonal situations it gets very different very fast.

Kinda like Bret maybe? Except Bret seems to have found a comfy position of constantly shitting on them but still turning up to collect cheques all the time too.


When's AEW? Doubt I'll watch live, US commercial breaks drive me insane

The FITE TV show has no adverts. $5 for a month.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 03, 2019, 12:39:53 AM
FiteTV having no commercials is a great incentive.

By the way, that dude who breaks MMA news and first broke the news about the AEW/TNT deal earlier this year is saying that Punk has signed on for that WWE Backstage show on Fox.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 01:28:26 AM
FiteTV having no commercials is a great incentive.

It really is. It is so good to watch a show without adverts. The opening  credits, promos, set and ring walks were ace, match was pretty good but it's storytelling heavy so far. It's great fun mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 02:32:23 AM
Nyla Riho was ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 03, 2019, 02:35:14 AM
So annoyed I'm at work and missing all the rasslin

Has CM Punk debuted yet
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 03:08:33 AM
That wasn't perfect and watching on Fite I couldn't quite work out how well it was paced as it basically showed the filler the crowd gets for the adverts but it was a real fun show. Opening 10 mins was great. Cody match was good but not great and then it all went a bit flat for about 30mins. Page Pac was very good and showed why Page could be a top star and the main event was all kinds of fun.

But Nyla Riho won the night for me. What a belting match they put on.

And, for me, most importantly in some ways, the commentary was absolutely fine (I barely noticed it which is my ideal default) and the camera work was cool. The wire cam they have nicked from UFC gave some properly cool angles, the ring post camera should be used more and a subtle one is the in-ring cameras for the entrances (in the women's match I noticed it). That is a "real sports" touch.

Buzzing after that. That is how to do a broad wrestling show. It's no Bloodsports or NJPW but as a 2 hour weekly mainstream wrestling show that is a great start.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 03, 2019, 06:13:39 AM
#MiserableGreenTShirtFrontRowGuyIsAllElite
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 03, 2019, 09:42:26 AM
There’s too much wrestling
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 03, 2019, 10:47:42 AM
Loved hearing Tony Schiavone again. He had to say a lot of bullshit in WCW, but he's got a great voice and he's a great broadcaster.

Punk confirmed he auditioned for the WWE Backstage show, says he's open to working with them again but not wrestling https://youtu.be/4D4xyX1jI-o

Seems like he's keeping his distance from WWE for now and just working with FOX. If he gets there though, I'd love to hear him on commentary, but that's probably going to end in another fight with Vince.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 03, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
I expect him to return on SD on Friday to confront the Rock to set up a Mania match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 03, 2019, 11:35:54 AM
I expect him to return on SD on Friday to confront the Rock to set up a Mania match.

I wouldn't expect that if I were you.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 03, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
NXT, frustraingly, seemed the much better show. They can pillage the main roster for huge stars whilst AEW's ratings winning surprise was....Jack Swagger.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 03, 2019, 12:35:32 PM
Really enjoyed Dynamite. Not perfect (but what wrestling show ever is?) but had a ton to enjoy and was a very good start. Thought the commentary team was great - JR has been shakey previously but he was on top form tonight and Schiavone is fantastic. Excalibur also great.

Loved the Nyla/Riho match. Very rare that a match gets me yelling and barracking like a genuine sports contest but I was by the end of that one. Thought the main event (and following angle) was cool and Moxley's beat down was sick.

Some people might poo-poo Jake Hager as the "big" debut but I really enjoyed him in Lucha Underground and I'm open to seeing what AEW can do with him. We've seen enough guys that looked average in WWE who turned out great elsewhere so we'll see how it goes.

Very happy with that show. Gonna watch NXT tomorrow. What a time to be alive, fans!
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 03, 2019, 12:41:15 PM
my theory re: Hager is they knew they had eyes on them so they didn't play their biggest hand yet
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 03, 2019, 01:08:52 PM
NXT, frustraingly, seemed the much better show.

Why is it frustrating? As long as you enjoy the wrestling, it doesn't matter which is better. I'm sure it'll vary going forward.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 03, 2019, 01:16:27 PM
Because they have hoovered up every conceivable talent from the indies for years on years, to the point where them bringing Balor in seems almost cheating. Plus the fact they’re a spiteful, hegemonic bunch of rats who are trying to crush AEW into the dirt. The positioning of Riddle/Cole without ads is another example of that. Not saying AEW have a significantly better moral high ground but they’re a little bit less scummy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: gmoney on October 03, 2019, 01:29:55 PM
I can only assume Vince talked AEW into signing Jack Swagger as well. AEW was a fine show, but never more than that. The Swagger reveal really took the wind out of the sails.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 03, 2019, 01:31:55 PM
Because they have hoovered up every conceivable talent from the indies for years on years, to the point where them bringing Balor in seems almost cheating. Plus the fact they’re a spiteful, hegemonic bunch of rats who are trying to crush AEW into the dirt. The positioning of Riddle/Cole without ads is another example of that. Not saying AEW have a significantly better moral high ground but they’re a little bit less scummy.

But you still watch WWE/NXT, you still enjoy the show and the people that are there, you shouldn't want NXT to be an inferior product. Ideally, both should be amazing. Also, give AEW some time, I'm sure when they're put in some difficult positions, they'll make some questionable choices.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 03, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
Caught up with both shows now. Thoroughly enjoyed them both. I think Cole v Riddle was probably the match of the night across both shows, closely followed by Riho v Nyla. But while NXT had the better match quality, I think I enjoyed Dynamite more as an overall show. It just felt big, it looked fantastic, and I thought the commentary was the best its been so far, JR included.

As for Swagger/Hager, he doesn't set my world alight, but AEW need some bigger guys, and he looks massive. Also, AEW have a good track record so far of making average names seem like big deals, so I'm willing to see where they go with it.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 04:47:12 PM
Re: Jake Hager. The guy is a specimen and has (kinda) proved himself in MMA (against very poor opponents admittedly). The problem with him in WWE was he became too naff but if you listen to shoot interviews with him he is an incredibly charming guy. He will fit in great and a big bad guy is an obvious gap in the roster.

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Post by: Ja'moke on October 03, 2019, 05:33:34 PM
He was also pretty young during his super push in WWE, right? I remember him winning the world title quite early in his career and just completely flopping. Then he drifted about for a while doing nothing, until eventually forming the tag team with Cesaro, which was a great team actually.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 03, 2019, 05:49:35 PM
He also got busted for pot just a couple of weeks before the biggest match of his career against Alberto Del Rio at Wrestlemania. He was pretty much doomed from then on.

Just don't try and push him as a megastar in AEW straight away. Most wrestling fans still view him as a bit of a joke. He needs rebuilding in their eyes. Don't get that TNA reputatation of ex-WWE guys being more important than their own roster.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 03, 2019, 05:53:44 PM
Hager was also associated with JR, what with him being an Oklahoma football and wrestling guy, and Vince doesn't really respect JR too much.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 03, 2019, 06:06:20 PM
Vince loves JR!

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Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 03, 2019, 07:22:08 PM
Wonder how Finn Balor feels about the last 5 years or so, now that he’s back on NXT? I’m a fairly casual fan so didn’t know too much about him from Japan and that. Really liked him at NXT but lost any interest in him at all over the last couple of years due in part to the terrible booking but also just finding his matches really repetitive. Obviously, he’ll be on great money now for a far less intensive schedule, while presumably being booked as a top star but it all seems like a bit of a waste of his time
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 03, 2019, 07:48:18 PM
WWE sent a statement to PWInsider:

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“Congratulations to AEW on a successful premiere. The real winners of last night's head-to-head telecasts of NXT on USA Network and AEW on TNT are the fans, who can expect Wednesday nights to be a competitive and wild ride as this is a marathon, not a one-night sprint.”

That makes it sound like AEW comfortably won the first ratings battle.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 03, 2019, 08:49:32 PM
Wonder how Finn Balor feels about the last 5 years or so, now that he’s back on NXT? I’m a fairly casual fan so didn’t know too much about him from Japan and that. Really liked him at NXT but lost any interest in him at all over the last couple of years due in part to the terrible booking but also just finding his matches really repetitive. Obviously, he’ll be on great money now for a far less intensive schedule, while presumably being booked as a top star but it all seems like a bit of a waste of his time

It's funny how one move can have such a huge impact. I wonder how he feels about that buckle bomb against the rail. When he was called up he was being pushed ahead of Roman Reigns (who was in bad books due to his drug test failure) as the top face on Raw. He was given clean wins over Reigns & Rollins and won the Universal title. He was never booked anything like as strong when he came back from injury.
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Post by: Timothy on October 03, 2019, 08:52:14 PM
WWE sent a statement to PWInsider:

That makes it sound like AEW comfortably won the first ratings battle.

Makes sense. Most people that watch wrestling probably tuned in to see what the fuzz is about. End of October ratings are gonna give a clear indication what show viewers prefer.

Enjoyed Dynamite (ugh) but NXT was the better show.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 03, 2019, 08:52:43 PM
Wow, liked the AEW show.

Women refs are cool. Great ring work, not too many promos, and no comedy I hated.

Loved the surprise in the main event too. Women's match was fantastic, and shames WWE (who have a decent PPV track record for women as of late but the minutes the women get on TV is sad)

I'll be watching next week for sure. Will set the ITV stuff to record, too.
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Post by: Spode on October 03, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
It's funny how one move can have such a huge impact. I wonder how he feels about that buckle bomb against the rail. When he was called up he was being pushed ahead of Roman Reigns (who was in bad books due to his drug test failure) as the top face on Raw. He was given clean wins over Reigns & Rollins and won the Universal title. He was never booked anything like as strong when he came back from injury.

They had a ready made comeback story there as well but I think his return was in the middle of Reigns’s decade long feud with Lesnar.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 03, 2019, 09:15:01 PM
AEW Dynamite - 1.4 million
NXT - 891k

That's incredible for AEW. People would laugh you out of the room if you suggested anything near 1 million a couple of months ago... especially over on Reddit. I remember people putting the cap at 500-600k. I expect an inevitable drop next week, but it looks like they could hover around 1 mil.

NXT held up pretty well too, which I think suggests that AEW does have a strong audience that aren't also WWE watchers. Those lapsed fans they talk about do seem to exist.

Demographics for those that care about this kind of stuff:

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Persons 18-34: AEW 0.56 vs. NXT 0.23
Persons 18-49: AEW 0.68 vs. NXT 0.32
Persons 25-54: AEW 0.74 vs. NXT 0.36
Persons 50+: AEW 0.34 vs. NXT 0.36
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 03, 2019, 09:16:17 PM
It's not up on ITV yet? wtf?
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Post by: Deanjam on October 03, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
They had a ready made comeback story there as well but I think his return was in the middle of Reigns’s decade long feud with Lesnar.

I still think that Lesnar vs Reigns will once again main event next year's Mania. Reigns still hasn't beaten him there and they probably think post-Leukemia he will get cheered this time.

It's not up on ITV yet? wtf?

It's been delayed. They say it will be up tonight at some point.

AEW Dynamite - 1.4 million
NXT - 891k


Curiosity definitely played a part, but we must congratulate them on a great number as they would've been slated in some quarters had they lost the first head to head. The real test will be when that curiosity has run out. Can they deliver week after week? Will be interesting.
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Post by: Spode on October 03, 2019, 09:41:57 PM
I still think that Lesnar vs Reigns will once again main event next year's Mania. Reigns still hasn't beaten him there and they probably think post-Leukemia he will get cheered this time.

They could have got away with it as well but, even with all the goodwill for Reigns since his return, they’ve booked him weaker than at any point since his call up. Baffling.

No doubt they’ll use Friday, arguably as big a chance to hit the reset button and correct all the wrongs of the last few years, to showcase The Rock for immediate numbers.
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Post by: kitsofan34 on October 03, 2019, 10:02:02 PM
If The Elite weren't hell bent on avoiding accusations of favouritism (despite the core group being one of the main reasons AEW is so popular) they should give the belt to Cody. He is over like rover!

Also a hypothetical question for you guys. You are the head booker of AEW, what exactly do you do with the clearly past his prime Chris Jericho? Clearly still an asset, clearly brings eyes to the product, but what do you do with him?
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Post by: weekender on October 03, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
Slightly catching up with the 'rassling week, in a kind of skipping-video-mode but one that doesn't affect my ratio too much.

Riddle vs Cole was ace.

Riho vs Nyla Rose was incredible, genuinely one of the best matches I've seen all year.  I can see what y'all mean when you say Rose was the star, she fucking sold during that match in a way that made Riho look good.

Jericho was fun, as always.

Jake Hager is apparently 37, for some reason that came as a surprise.  Mind you, it turns out that CM Punk is 40.

I feel like I should have a point here, but I don't know what it is.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
If The Elite weren't hell bent on avoiding accusations of favouritism (despite the core group being one of the main reasons AEW is so popular) they should give the belt to Cody. He is over like rover!

Also a hypothetical question for you guys. You are the head booker of AEW, what exactly do you do with the clearly past his prime Chris Jericho? Clearly still an asset, clearly brings eyes to the product, but what do you do with him?

Push him to the Moon. Like the wiener quote last night he has that bit of magic that will not diminish with age. Give him a new finisher that he can do for the next 10 years if need be (done). Have him lead a stable where his experience and guidance can be shared with the next generation of heels (done).

I find Jericho hilarious but occasionally hilariously shit with his self promotion but it certainly works and he is priceless to AEW.
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Post by: weekender on October 03, 2019, 10:20:35 PM
Also a hypothetical question for you guys. You are the head booker of AEW, what exactly do you do with the clearly past his prime Chris Jericho? Clearly still an asset, clearly brings eyes to the product, but what do you do with him?

Oh, a hypothetical?  I like these.

Take Jericho out of the ring, give him a managerial role in a stable with a lighter schedule.

Then ask him to go into the ring at WWE Survivor Series against whatever teams Hogan and Flair are coming up with, and win with his team compiled from the NXT roster.

He can bugger off again with Fozzy if he likes for 6 months.

Then he comes back in mid-2020 with whomever is the flavour of the month at AEW.

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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 10:23:39 PM
Slightly catching up with the 'rassling week, in a kind of skipping-video-mode but one that doesn't affect my ratio too much.

Riddle vs Cole was ace.

Riho vs Nyla Rose was incredible, genuinely one of the best matches I've seen all year.  I can see what y'all mean when you say Rose was the star, she fucking sold during that match in a way that made Riho look good.

Jericho was fun, as always.

Jake Hager is apparently 37, for some reason that came as a surprise.  Mind you, it turns out that CM Punk is 40.

I feel like I should have a point here, but I don't know what it is.

Nyla PCOse! Her and PCO and Darby Allin are fucking idiots doing floor spots like that but my god it gets over.

Meltzer was moaning about that match on WOR before totally missing the point that the fact the rules made no sense and that chair spot being utterly stupid and dangerous was exactly why it was so fun (well, that and Riho's awesome roll up combo move thing and the failed suplex spot). I watched the pre-show interview thing on FITE (that was pretty dreadful) but one of the things they kept stressing was that whatever AEW is, they want it to be done in the ring, in the arena, in the shows. That match was perfect example of them telling a story and it didn't matter that the rules were inconsistent or whatever... that was a match for the crowd watching and the crowd more than gave them enough back! Just really great stuff.
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Post by: weekender on October 03, 2019, 10:24:02 PM
Push him to the Moon.

Don't agree.  I think that Omega should be pushed to the moon of AEW at this stage.

Jericho - much as I love him - should now be a 3rd carder.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 10:26:58 PM
As for ratings the total audience is about the average for RAW yeah? Interesting. Wonder if certain people are still going to argue the idea that AEW is bringing in a new or lapsed wrestling audience? If that is true (I was always skeptical) then there might still be another million or so fans up for grabs for both shows.
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Post by: weekender on October 03, 2019, 10:28:48 PM
That match was perfect example of them telling a story and it didn't matter that the rules were inconsistent or whatever... that was a match for the crowd watching and the crowd more than gave them enough back! Just really great stuff.

Agreed - wrestling 101.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
Don't agree.  I think that Omega should be pushed to the moon of AEW at this stage.

Jericho - much as I love him - should now be a 3rd carder.

Give it time. If The Elite all are in title frame then there is nowhere to go unless they turn heel and have new babyfaces chasing them (which obviously doesn't work given the fact the whole popularity of the promotion is based around them).

Build up a big heel stable/threat. Have the heels run the show (when it's Moxley and Jericho the crowd still love seeing then so it's not like the grind of constant lazy heel heat you get with WWE main roster). Then have The Elite chase. Having PAC, Moxley, Jericho et al beat the shit out The Elite for a while is no big issue. I want The Bucks to lose to Private Party and have Lucha Bros win the tags. It seems to have slipped under the radar but Pentagon and Fenix are the biggest faces in the company anyway (outside of Cody anyway).

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I will have a negative though. MJF. Going off his character really quick. The cheap heat is too obvious and nothing he has produced in ring suggests he can back it up. I don't want him to be a delusional heel, I want him to be as good as he says he is so count me increasingly non-plussed.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 10:35:39 PM
Wonder how enter name of main roster wrestler herefeels about the last 5 years or so, now that he’s dreaming of goingback on NXT? I’m a fairly casual fan so didn’t know too much about him from Japan and that. Really liked him at NXT but lost any interest in him at all over the last couple of years due in part to the terrible booking but also just finding his matches really repetitive. Obviously, he’ll be on great money now for a far less intensive schedule, while presumably being booked as a top star but it all seems like a bit of a waste of his time

FTFY
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Post by: weekender on October 03, 2019, 10:42:32 PM
Give it time. If The Elite all are in title frame then there is nowhere to go unless they turn heel and have new babyfaces chasing them (which obviously doesn't work given the fact the whole popularity of the promotion is based around them).

Build up a big heel stable/threat. Have the heels run the show (when it's Moxley and Jericho the crowd still love seeing then so it's not like the grind of constant lazy heel heat you get with WWE main roster). Then have The Elite chase. Having PAC, Moxley, Jericho et al beat the shit out The Elite for a while is no big issue. I want The Bucks to lose to Private Party and have Lucha Bros win the tags. It seems to have slipped under the radar but Pentagon and Fenix are the biggest faces in the company anyway (outside of Cody anyway).

Seems a bit WCW c1995.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 03, 2019, 10:56:07 PM
Bray Wyatt doing daytime TV press in character https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSQ-Obh0O98
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 03, 2019, 11:18:22 PM
Seems a bit WCW c1995.

Just for now whilst they establishing everyone. I don't really want an NWO style mega stable but letting likes of Guevara associate with Jericho and MJF with Cody (but subtley not running in for the save last night) just helps setting up the storylines. They can all drift apart down the line.
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Post by: peanutbutter on October 03, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
Wonder how Finn Balor feels about the last 5 years or so, now that he’s back on NXT? I’m a fairly casual fan so didn’t know too much about him from Japan and that. Really liked him at NXT but lost any interest in him at all over the last couple of years due in part to the terrible booking but also just finding his matches really repetitive. Obviously, he’ll be on great money now for a far less intensive schedule, while presumably being booked as a top star but it all seems like a bit of a waste of his time
I'd say he wakes up in the morning with his body feeling a bit shitty and thinks that it's a huge relief he moved to the US when he did.

I dunno if there was that much left to his NJPW run either and it nearly feels like it was net gain for NJPW that he left too... would Bullet Club be still around if he hadn't left and they weren't able to immediately plug a rejuvenated AJ Styles in?
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 04, 2019, 11:32:22 AM
More excited about Smackdown on FOX tonight than anything else this week. This is a really huge moment for wrestling.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 04, 2019, 11:39:50 AM
More excited about Smackdown on FOX tonight than anything else this week. This is a really huge moment for wrestling.

or, and I am not being facetious, the moment where its uptick from a low position doesn't take and the hardcores who have been carrying it for a while now get burned out.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 04, 2019, 11:57:43 AM
or, and I am not being facetious, the moment where its uptick from a low position doesn't take and the hardcores who have been carrying it for a while now get burned out.

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Post by: sevendaughters on October 04, 2019, 12:34:30 PM
heh I've been wanting something to come along and change wrestling in the States for about 18 years now, everything since the failed Invasion hasn't really set my world aflame, so my cynicism/cautiousness is understandable.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 04, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
More excited about Smackdown on FOX tonight than anything else this week. This is a really huge moment for wrestling.

Nice to have it back on Fridays so I can watch it live.
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Post by: Moribunderast on October 04, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
I don't really see Smackdown on FOX as a huge moment but maybe I'm just too jaded to think WWE are good enough anymore to capitalise on the opportunity. Would love for that show to be great even though AEW and NXT (and NJPW when it's on) are going to already be too much wrestling for me to follow.

Just caught up with NXT. Good show. I preferred AEW overall as it felt more special and exciting to me but the Cole/Riddle match was an insane sprint and the tag match was really good. Io Shirai's new entrance is rad and she comes across as a total star. Long may she stay in NXT and avoid becoming the third Bukkake Warrior.

Had been spoiled about Finn Balor's appearance but somehow not about Tomasso at the end. Those two give the NXT Title a really fun direction going forward.

Shayna... I'm a fan but this reign has gone on too long. I think the problem is she can only really do one kind of feud and one kind of match and we've now seen that feud and match over and over for a year or more. Time to move on to Io or Belair or Rhea. Hell, do the sensible thing and bring in Toni Storm - what the fuck are they doing wasting her on NXT UK when she is ready to be a star?

Hopefully WWE/Vince don't overreact to the rating and try to "fix" NXT - if both AEW and NXT can be around this mark (quality-wise) every week then it's going to be a really fun time.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 04, 2019, 01:35:14 PM
Yeah, I can't really imagine Smackdown tonight being anything other than another legends showcase. I'd love for them to actually set up a new angle with their current roster or something, but that just never seems to be the case with these big shows.
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Post by: Timothy on October 04, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
More excited about Smackdown on FOX tonight than anything else this week. This is a really huge moment for wrestling.

Same here. Probably gonna be the best show of the week.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 04, 2019, 02:07:44 PM
The is bigger than a big show. This isn't an anniversary or a homecoming or anything. This is probably bigger than Wrestlemania really. It's their debut as a regular show on network television. I'm not holding my breath for them to suddenly know how to book everything properly, but this is still monumental. If they don't at least try something now, they'll never try.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 04, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
I'm now convinced Brock isn't winning the title tonight. Hope I'm wrong as (his title winning match aside) I've found Kofi a dull champion.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 04, 2019, 02:18:47 PM
The attack on Monday was setting up shenanigans. Schmozz city, bitch!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 04, 2019, 04:32:56 PM
I'd say he wakes up in the morning with his body feeling a bit shitty and thinks that it's a huge relief he moved to the US when he did.

I dunno if there was that much left to his NJPW run either and it nearly feels like it was net gain for NJPW that he left too... would Bullet Club be still around if he hadn't left and they weren't able to immediately plug a rejuvenated AJ Styles in?

Yeah, I haven’t got a clue what happened in Japan but just knew he was massive over there. I hadn’t realised how old he was either to be honest, so I’d imagine the limited schedule and physical toll on his body appeals, especially given he’s recently married. I just can’t imagine it’s panned out how he’d imagined, especially given his original push in NXT and title win at SummerSlam. I feel like I’ve just watched him grin with his collar up for the last 3 years.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 04, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
I'm now convinced Brock isn't winning the title tonight. Hope I'm wrong as (his title winning match aside) I've found Kofi a dull champion.

But don't you love it when he throws around pancakes!!!??.!!  N 72€>{<>[>÷>]>¥
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 04, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
I still enjoy Kofi and blame Orton for the past couple of months. The actual feud on TV was decent, but Orton looked like he didn't give a shit when it came to the PPV matches.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 04, 2019, 04:54:50 PM
Everyone online always blames Orton

Kofi was champ before that feud and after!
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Post by: Deanjam on October 04, 2019, 05:24:16 PM
Every one of his title defences has been underwhelming, both in the ring and crowd reactions. People keep blaming placement on cards and his opponents (despite having some great ones), but his story was all about finally winning the big one. Once done there was no where else to go.

But don't you love it when he throws around pancakes!!!??.!!  N 72€>{<>[>÷>]>¥

I know some people think its a bit of a laugh, but it just screams comedy mid card act to me. Big E is the only one of the New Day who I think could be an effective singles main event act. He needs to utterly destroy Kofi & Xavier and move on up. They have the perfect story since it was Big E & Xavier who effectively got Kofi his Mania title match.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 04, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Everyone online always blames Orton

Kofi was champ before that feud and after!

And nobody was really complaining before the Orton matches. And it’s specifically the matches people were sour on because the stuff on TV with New Day against Orton and Revival and those first couple of Orton and Kofi promos were well praised.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 04, 2019, 06:37:43 PM
And nobody was really complaining before the Orton matches.

I did see plenty of complaints before Orton was involved... albeit mainly on the horrible F4wonline boards

Kofi vs Owens got complaints; the top complaint bait was next though, one surely can't claim the feud with Ziggler went down well; I don't remember Samoa Joe getting much flak though Kofi did at that point
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 04, 2019, 07:20:56 PM
Kofi is like Benoit and Guerrero. Heart of a champion, but not the draw of one. The fun was in the chase. Had tears in my eyes at Mania, but I don’t need to see him with that belt any more
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Post by: rjd2 on October 04, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
Kofi is like Benoit and Guerrero. Heart of a champion, but not the draw of one. The fun was in the chase. Had tears in my eyes at Mania, but I don’t need to see him with that belt any more


Agreed.

Genuinely can't remember the last time a face held a main WWE title and was entertaining.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 04, 2019, 07:31:13 PM

Agreed.

Genuinely can't remember the last time a face held a main WWE title and was entertaining.

Styles?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 04, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
Ha ha. In most obvious and fucking tedious news ever HHH teasing an NXT in-ring feud. When will they ever learn? Take the one thing they have is fresh and exciting and within a fortnight they are now questioning whether the answer to it’s ”failure” (NXT on USA doing 800,000 is not a failure by any means) is to insert one of the McMahon clan into its programming. Awful idea.

What WWE need to do is keep doing NXT exactly as they always have and just ignore AEW. They have completely kicked their own arses over this and should have just focused on SMACKDOWN. Their actions so far have just served to hype AEW (to exactly as predicted if you read back this thread) and it all comes back to Vince’s idea of competition is to put other companies out of business. This will be eating him up when it really doesn’t need to and, I for one, hope he is throughly miserable about this; cunt can go cry into his Saudi millions.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 04, 2019, 08:29:55 PM
Ha ha. In most obvious and fucking tedious news ever HHH teasing an NXT in-ring feud. When will they ever learn? Take the one thing they have is fresh and exciting and within a fortnight they are now questioning whether the answer to it’s ”failure” (NXT on USA doing 800,000 is not a failure by any means) is to insert one of the McMahon clan into its programming. Awful idea.

What WWE need to do is keep doing NXT exactly as they always have and just ignore AEW. They have completely kicked their own arses over this and should have just focused on SMACKDOWN. Their actions so far have just served to hype AEW (to exactly as predicted if you read back this thread) and it all comes back to Vince’s idea of competition is to put other companies out of business. This will be eating him up when it really doesn’t need to and, I for one, hope he is throughly miserable about this; cunt can go cry into his Saudi millions.

Vince has had a nightmare with it. Seems as though the NXT and AEW audiences are generally different, so going up against them has had hardly any effect on numbers, he’s managed to lose the first week quite convincingly and somehow managed to, despite his wealth and production history, make his (admittedly third product) look like a smaller deal than the group running their first ever TV show. Pointless
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 04, 2019, 08:37:51 PM
What's this Triple H rumour?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 04, 2019, 08:51:09 PM
What's this Triple H rumour?

Just done a presser where he talks about which NXT Superstars he would like to face and the idea of DIY vs DX was mentioned. Might come to nothing but even fact that what they talking about in these things is depressing. They just can't help themselves. It's not the biggest of deals but you know.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 04, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
Vince has had a nightmare with it. Seems as though the NXT and AEW audiences are generally different, so going up against them has had hardly any effect on numbers, he’s managed to lose the first week quite convincingly and somehow managed to, despite his wealth and production history, make his (admittedly third product) look like a smaller deal than the group running their first ever TV show. Pointless

Exactly. If, as expected they should have just let all this play out and let fans realise that a SMACKDOWN show drawing 3million+ views is much more big time than AEW pulling less than half that. Instead they have hyped a "Wednesday Night War" which they should have just ignored. Even then, they get another multimillion TV deal out of it so even if NXT loses to AEW in ratings every week it shouldn't worry them but Vince just can't help himself. Good.

Oh well... all this wrestling and actually having a fucking job has got me so behind on Pobol y Cwm. I'm going to stick AEW on TV later just to help the ratings but got a week of Cwmderi to catch up on.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 04, 2019, 09:00:04 PM
HHH in NXT would be pretty cool I think. Would be cool seeing him square off against Gargano or Ciampa or so. Maybe a tournament where the winner faces HHH to advance to RAW or SD? Would be fun.

Also still enjoy Kofi as champ. Would love to see him hold the belt until Mania. I wish MITB was still at MITB. Would be great to have Big E win the contract while Kofi is champ. Could lead to a major heel turn. E is a star.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 04, 2019, 09:05:28 PM
HHH in NXT would be pretty cool I think. Would be cool seeing him square off against Gargano or Ciampa or so. Maybe a tournament where the winner faces HHH to advance to RAW or SD? Would be fun.

Haha, you're still working that gimmick eh Tim! At least try to keep it believable...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 04, 2019, 09:29:06 PM
Smackdown set looks awesome https://twitter.com/WrestleFeatures/status/1180217854853029891
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 04, 2019, 09:32:59 PM
If lasers don't shoot out of the holes in those structures then I'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 04, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
That is a good stage. Wonder if they can cram more LEDs into the ring?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 04, 2019, 11:20:55 PM
Smackdown set looks awesome https://twitter.com/WrestleFeatures/status/1180217854853029891

I actually think it's my least favourite of the RAW/AEW/SMACKDOWN sets. Not that I really give a shit mind. I really love seeing megastars like Naito walking out from behind a curtain. :)

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 04, 2019, 11:29:56 PM
One thing that'll be a big change with smackdown is that the brand split is suddenly a very hard thing, right? I can't imagine Fox have much interest in their big expensive show being only part of this overall world that has 5 hours a week on an NBC network.


Hager being back is okay imo. He's never been fully utilised imo and JR thinks loads of him. Jericho's enforcer seems like a good role, if they can get something going with him then they can split him from Jericho straight into main level.
Can't help but think he'd've been far better off getting into MMA before ever going to the UFC though, surely a strong chance of being heavyweight champion with his background had he started younger?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 12:44:55 AM
Hope you guys have ITV4 on right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 01:04:15 AM
It's unreal how legit this all looks. FOX is going all out to bring wrestling into the mainstream. I don't care how much you hate WWE, this is exciting.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 01:18:01 AM
I always forget that The Rock sucks until he comes back and starts cracking the worst fucking jokes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 01:20:08 AM
The Smackdown stage is better than this year’s Mania stage.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 01:27:03 AM
That opening segment was pretty awful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 01:27:24 AM
I forgot it was on. Just tuned in.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 01:45:14 AM
Fair play, the SMACKDOWN set is fucking excellent. I take it back. Full marks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 01:46:36 AM
I forgot they made the Cell red last year. It looks so cheap and tacky, not to mention hard to see through.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2019, 01:48:16 AM
That Firefly Funhouse sketch was genuinely brilliant
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 01:49:32 AM
The Bray Wyatt thing is exactly what is wrong with WWE. If you love it is the best thing ever and they are doing and amazing job of the Bray Wyatt thing but if you aren't into it it's death of WCW nonsense.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 01:52:18 AM
That Firefly Funhouse sketch was genuinely brilliant

For what it was yes. But...

Apropos of nothing I fucking hate these commerial breaks too. It's why any FITE TV indie or NJPW is instantly better. no adverts...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 01:54:37 AM
The Bray Wyatt thing is exactly what is wrong with WWE. If you love it is the best thing ever and they are doing and amazing job of the Bray Wyatt thing but if you aren't into it it's death of WCW nonsense.

What does this even mean? Seems like you're just looking for reasons to criticise WWE, and choosing one of the consistently better things at that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2019, 01:57:31 AM
I’m not a huge fan of them generally, just thought that one was really good. I’ve hardly watched in weeks so perhaps just not as bored of it. Quite enjoying the show so far.

Smackdown is still 2 hours right?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 01:58:29 AM
The Fiend has had the upperhand this entire feud.. now I’m worrying we’re getting some dodgy no contest on Sunday.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2019, 02:01:55 AM
I don’t see Seth dropping

Fuck off Shane
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 02:09:37 AM
I like the Funhouse stuff because despite its wackiness it still feels very real. Bray's playing both sides of the character so well. My only negative is the music that plays during his attacks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 02:16:34 AM
Yeah I still enjoy Firefly Funhouse too. Bray is killing it in this role.

Glad Owens won. Now Shane please fuck off for a long time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 02:18:51 AM
Owens/Shane match was fun. They should have put this earlier to attract more casual viewers. That shite tag match was not going to put butts in seats.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:21:50 AM
What does this even mean? Seems like you're just looking for reasons to criticise WWE, and choosing one of the consistently better things at that.

Fair point. Just not feeling it. It's just not my thing. If you love it then you not wrong.  Soz.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 05, 2019, 02:23:10 AM
So's Smackdown a big deal or wha

Does it FEEL like a New Era?

Or a new set?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:24:26 AM
I'm watching on split screen. And this just came on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9SGYBHY0qs

My god. Dolph Ziggler's entrance is infinitely better with Grimes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 02:27:53 AM
Fuck off Tyson Fury you turd.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:28:21 AM
Ha fucking ha. Really?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:28:50 AM
Tyson Fury is SMACKDOWN.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:29:48 AM
I'm still holding out for Cain Velasquez.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 02:31:44 AM
There’s a spoiler out there for the ending of this show. Just be careful if you’re browsing social media.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 05, 2019, 02:34:26 AM
Tyson Fury is SMACKDOWN.

What? I LOVE Tyson Fury

I know he's like, almost a definition of a cunt, but I have a soft spot for someone who hauled himself through the wickedness of depression, and literally made himself fighting fit and - if anyone is into boxing - is genuinely a contender again after letting himself go. There's a ton to like there, a ton that resonates

Him on Smackdown = my fandom goes up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:37:30 AM
Just watch it. :) He's Conor but twice the size and 10% of the fee.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 02:40:07 AM
This show is supposed to be presenting wrestling to a mainstream audience. I'd be embarrassed to watch any of this show in the company of a non-wrestling fan, aside from maybe the ladder match. Poor form.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 05, 2019, 02:40:24 AM
Can't, BUT WILL

Yknow what I'm gonna avoid spoilers n all that

Tyson =buys. I remember loathing the fucker in that generic way, but as with so many things in life, a greater understanding benefits your outlook

Seeing Ziggler mentioned though, oh man, new era schmoo nera
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2019, 02:40:42 AM
Don’t really know the guy but he looks like a wrestler!

Thanks for the spoiler warning I would’ve clicked something on reddit otherwise
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 02:52:26 AM
What a thrilling match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 02:54:01 AM
Haha, oh dear.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2019, 02:54:16 AM
Hahaha
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 02:55:22 AM
Oh, another boring MMA fighter. One with a terrible physique at that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:56:03 AM
You are all very fucking welcome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2019, 02:56:27 AM
Fuck me Dominic grew up fast
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 02:57:19 AM
This is quite surreal.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 02:58:44 AM
It makes all the sense in the world and it is fucking brilliant. I love this. Bravo WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 02:59:58 AM
That show did nothing for me I'm afraid. If I wanted to watch MMA fighters and boxers then I'd watch MMA and boxing. But I don't because they're shit. Oh well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:00:19 AM
Oh and it was mentioned on WOR today but I’ve been thinking it for a while but my big prediction for Smackdown is Cain Velasquez ending show to challenge Brock. He had talked about it before, FOX would love the MMA/Latino drawing power and he’s proven himself to be a natural. It would be absolutely silly* if they do fight and Cain insists on Cain-Lucha style he’s been doing but I see no reason why he can’t do both; Lucha style for AAA and MMA style for Smackdown.

This could eventually involve Cormier too which I’m all for (but soon as they all around 40 years old).

*Potentially car crash**
**Potentially brilliant


Told you.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:03:27 AM
If you not following MMA fair enough but Cain whipped Brock legit. All on FOX. Brock has run through WWE and there is no legit threat to him within the company... Cain appearing is the best thing ever. I am totally sold on this. Amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 03:07:39 AM
I really don't care who can beat people up for real. Wrestling is a show. He looked terrible and had no charisma. As much as I despise that homophobic prick Fury, at least he looked in decent shape and showed a bit of personality.

I dunno, just don't know what WWE is supposed to be anymore.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 03:12:47 AM
Oh, another boring MMA fighter. One with a terrible physique at that.

Have you seen this AAA matches? Certainly not boring in ring. He was pulling out good Lucha things!

That said, I'm not sure his casual appeal. It seemed like the crowd were popping for Rey at the end there and just wondering why Dominic aged so much since Monday.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 03:14:21 AM
Not sure how I feel about it, but fair play to Brock Lesnar for taking a legitimately humiliating point in his fighting career and using it like this. He made himself look like a scaredy cat just for business, got to put a lot of pride aside for that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:17:11 AM
I really don't care who can beat people up for real. Wrestling is a show. He looked terrible and had no charisma. As much as I despise that homophobic prick Fury, at least he looked in decent shape and showed a bit of personality.

I dunno, just don't know what WWE is supposed to be anymore.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending them but... Fury was the red herring. If' I'm being generous they sowed seed that that hard bastards don't need to look like Brock and can look like Fury (saggy hard as fuck cunt) and someone with Cain's body is legit but... he is legit... he has nothing to argue for as MMA having beat Lesner legit but also, if you go back and watch his AAA appearances he is a very good pro wrestler.

Point is, on any level, Cain is legit and a Cain- Brock feud is money. Mega money. I want to hate WWE for reasons explained above but if WWE doing FOX smakdown properly I am totally in on this. It really is brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 03:18:08 AM
Have you seen this AAA matches? Certainly not boring in ring. He was pulling out good Lucha things!

No I don't care for Lucha. Maybe he'll turn into a great worker. I dunno. But for example, I would've much preferred Matt Riddle in that role.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:18:19 AM
Not sure how I feel about it, but fair play to Brock Lesnar for taking a legitimately humiliating point in his fighting career and using it like this. He made himself look like a scaredy cat just for business, got to put a lot of pride aside for that.

Brock is the  best "pro-wrestler" of his generation because he knows how to sell. He is hogan x 100000000
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 03:19:01 AM
Also, they did Kofi dirty. I expected him to lose in a relative squash, but to not even get a couple of moves in or at least one kick out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:20:08 AM
To a FOX audience Cain is x100 bigger than this fake shit. Seriously. This is a massive coup. This is way, WAY bigger than anything AEW has done.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 03:20:40 AM
Point is, on any level, Cain is legit and a Cain- Brock feud is money.

If that turns out to be the case then it was a good move. I wonder where that money is coming from though. The don't really do PPV anymore, and these guys aren't gonna do a house show run. They've already got their 5 year TV deal. We'll see. If Cain delivers then I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 05, 2019, 03:20:53 AM
Also, they did Kofi dirty. I expected him to lose in a relative squash, but to not even get a couple of moves in or at least one kick out.

Says a lot about how well they executed the ending of the show as I went from being like "fuck this company" to "oh fuck yeah" in a few seconds.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:22:00 AM
Also, they did Kofi dirty. I expected him to lose in a relative squash, but to not even get a couple of moves in or at least one kick out.

Irrelevent. Kofi is tiny compared to Cain. We all think Brock is massive. To FOX fans, Brock is Kofi to Cain's Brock. It really is that scale up. WWE having Cain is HUGE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 03:24:08 AM
To be fair Kofi was lucky to have that title reign in the first place. I'm sure he's pragmatic about it. Would've liked him to have a bit of a match though as it could've been quite entertaining.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 03:24:18 AM
Irrelevent. Kofi is tiny compared to Cain. We all think Brock is massive. To FOX fans, Brock is Kofi to Cain's Brock. It really is that scale up. WWE having Cain is HUGE.

Huge for Fox maybe. Not sure yet if it'll translate to WWE fans. This crowd certainly didn't seem too impressed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:33:21 AM
Huge for Fox maybe. Not sure yet if it'll translate to WWE fans. This crowd certainly didn't seem too impressed.

No. If the fans in the room hadn't worked it out then it's on them; but when the audience at home works it out WWE has absolute gold on their hands. It's not fucking difficult: WWE have built  Brock as invincible and now they have the guy who legit beat him in MMA to fight him. It's gonna happen at Wrestlemania and it's gonna be the biggest hyped wrestling match in years and WWE has 6 months to promote it. Even they can't fuck this up; either they have a new star in Cain or they make Brock a mega mega threat by beating the only guy who has ever beaten him.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 03:50:05 AM
No I don't care for Lucha. Maybe he'll turn into a great worker. I dunno. But for example, I would've much preferred Matt Riddle in that role.

He was Lucha Cain in AAA. He won't be Lucha Cain in WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 03:52:57 AM
Even they can't fuck this up

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8935decefb33baf2dee0a7a7a6e3d222/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ludicrous Display on October 05, 2019, 04:00:40 AM
I didn't have a clue who he was, and I don't watch wrestling to see fake MMA fights, but they have time to win me over. Decent first show though, for the love of Christ let this truly be the end of Shane McMahon for a while.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 04:10:19 AM
I didn't have a clue who he was, and I don't watch wrestling to see fake MMA fights, but they have time to win me over. Decent first show though, for the love of Christ let this truly be the end of Shane McMahon for a while.

It's Cain. CAIN. I assumed you all knew the basics

Here you go. THIS is CAIN.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR2xB9tvijU

Fuck sakes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 05, 2019, 06:52:47 AM
I despise MMA so don’t care about Cain. If he can have a good match with Brock, then good.

Watched the show and thought it was pretty shit, tbh. Kofi squashed and back to part-time Brock as champ. Boring Shane McMahon match where he does his usual routine and looks on the verge of death. The Fiend stuff is okay. There were some good presentation elements but they’re offset by the cult-like buzzwords and Michael Cole’s commentary.

Almost turned the show off twice in the opening five minutes. First when Vince and Steph came out (thankfully short-lived) and then when Corbin came out. Why do they think KOTR winners need to cosplay? Angle didn’t. Edge didn’t. Shamrock didn’t. Brock didn’t. Austin didn’t. Bret didn’t. Even Billy fucken Gunn didn’t. Just looks so cheap and dumb. Add to that the fact Corbin is terrible - putting him on the mic against the Rock to open this new era showed the chasm between main eventers of the past and what they have now. Yikes.

Well, at least AEW and NXT were good. Shan’t be obtaining any eps of Smackdown in the near future. But two good two-hour US wrestling shows is plenty.

EDIT: Meltzer reporting Brock vs. Cain at Saudi Arabia. L-O-fucken-L.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 05, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
pure Inokiism
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 05, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
Show was fun before the last 15 minutes. Firefly Funhouse was great, Reigns vs Owens cool, Rock and Becky promo entertaining. And then Kofi vs Brock happened.

Legit annoyed by the fact Kofi lost after one finisher. In a WWE world where most of the wrestlers kick out of at least one finisher in a longer match this is bullshit.
I understand that they wanted to introduce Cain but they could have scrapped the female tag or the lumberjack match to at least make Brock vs Kofi a legitimate match.
What a truely horrible end to a great title reign. Million other ways to introduce Cain. Damn.

Every time I go back to watch WWE I get annoyed by the exact same reason: There's no need to invest into any of their wrestlers because they can kill all momentum in a heartbeat.

And for what? Cain has zero charisma so great for the debut show pop on FOX but horrible in the long run.

Done with this. I hope AEW is gonna get it right.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 05, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
Even they can't fuck this up; either they have a new star in Cain or they make Brock a mega mega threat by beating the only guy who has ever beaten him.

They already did. Match between them, if Meltzer is right, is gonna happen in front of a crowd that doesn't give a shit in Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 05, 2019, 12:44:23 PM
Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez...

Smackdown is basically gonna be Raw with the occasional Wrestlemania level splurge on a hot outside name. McGregor probably will be on Smackdown for a feud within a year. Tbf it totally makes sense from Fox's side, potentially a very good move for them (especially if they're co-ordinnating with the Saudi deal to get big names in cheap), not sure I give a shite though.

Think it makes the role of Wrestlemania very questionable though (especially with loads of fans flocking to AEW and NJPW as their primary brand to devotedly follow), and it has been questionable since the Network started really. It makes more immediate money sense to use these guys in SA and Fox
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
They already did. Match between them, if Meltzer is right, is gonna happen in front of a crowd that doesn't give a shit in Saudi Arabia.

Well the internet seems to agree with you guys and if it’s in Saudi then yes, get fucked. My bad.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 05, 2019, 01:03:46 PM
Cain's loyalties are probably with AAA in the long-term. Dave was talking about how Cain's run could actually be the precursor to Cormier coming in. This is genuine Inokiism, especially with the Tyson Fury stuff on top of that. It is a wild time. But you all know how Inoki New Japan ended up. I can see Conor happening down the line too.

Raw looks almost a dead loss, not in a war, not on Fox, could genuinely go from A show to C show.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 05, 2019, 01:44:24 PM
If you watch Cain’s AAA matches (two of them) he is doing proper Lucha. It’s hilarious seeing him doing ranas and springboards and whatnot. He is quiet good at it too (not amazing but surprisingly good for a 250 pound 40 year old in his first match). You have to think he will abandon that for WWE and do MMA/Bloodsports style match. Where he goes from there (does he win?) who knows?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 05, 2019, 01:48:57 PM
NXT is the new Smackdown, Raw retains its space of high ratings by cable standard due to the habits of old people (and continues to drop year on year), Smackdown is a flashy new thing but totally controlled by Fox.



Honestly has the potential to work very well for WWE if they're smart and use both Raw and NXT largely to rehab guys. The overlap between NXT and Raw seems inevitable though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 05, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Haven't gotten round to watching it yet

I can totally buy not wanting MMA dudes on top.

I am thinking star power. In that sense, it's great: and in a wrestling war, Cain coming in trumps Jack Swagger.

AEW needs to watch the ex WWE failed stars, although they can always reinvent (see: Cody) or simply unleash talent that was poorly handled (Cody, Golddust, Moxley)

I'm not thinking of it as MMA as it's a wrestling angle, but it's right to see it as an indictment of wrestling, and particularly WWE, in terms of their star making ability.

This week, I haven't seen the numbers yet, but it seems like you could make a reasonable argument that the top movers and draws in WWE are Hogan, Flair, and two ex MMA champs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 05, 2019, 01:58:06 PM
Raw looks almost a dead loss, not in a war, not on Fox, could genuinely go from A show to C show.

Regardless of what AEW does or doesn’t do, it’s short term thinking like this that I think is going to eventually finish WWE off. They’re probably going to put the nails in the coffin for RAW themselves by shifting all the focus onto SmackDown, two years ago (I think) they shit on a WrestleMania main event to set up a re-match for a Saudi Arabia show that brings them a ton of money now but has no long term guarantees and is doing nothing to build new fans. If this Saudi deal ends anytime soon, and the FOX numbers dwindle, I don’t see how they recover.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 05, 2019, 02:09:12 PM
I would simply say that from an in-ring standpoint it might be fair to critique in the introduction of MMA guys, but in terms of business it is exactly the same thing. MMA and real ring sports book fights that people want to see. Most fans don't think in terms of star ratings. They want stars. Yes, you have to keep the hardcores happy, but there's no reason why they can't.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 05, 2019, 02:15:43 PM
I would simply say that from an in-ring standpoint it might be fair to critique in the introduction of MMA guys, but in terms of business it is exactly the same thing. MMA and real ring sports book fights that people want to see. Most fans don't think in terms of star ratings. They want stars. Yes, you have to keep the hardcores happy, but there's no reason why they can't.

I find that fair enough. I must have watched less than twenty minutes of MMA in my life, but stars are stars.

You take what you can get. It is a business. Some of the greatest wrestlers (in terms of name value) in history made their name in other sports; Ernie Ladd, Goldberg, Rousey, Kurt Angle, Verne Gagne, Vader, Wahoo McDaniel... Just saying there's absolutely no reason to be precious now about a performer's prior career.

I welcome a rare move from WWE that shows business nouse and understanding of what puts butts in seats.

Though if Timothy is right and Cain vs Brock is for the Saudi show, that's pathetic. Those shows are free money and glorified house shows. Meanwhile you have Wrestlemanias to sell, even if via the Network
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 02:37:24 PM
No. If the fans in the room hadn't worked it out then it's on them; but when the audience at home works it out WWE has absolute gold on their hands. It's not fucking difficult: WWE have built  Brock as invincible and now they have the guy who legit beat him in MMA to fight him. It's gonna happen at Wrestlemania and it's gonna be the biggest hyped wrestling match in years and WWE has 6 months to promote it. Even they can't fuck this up; either they have a new star in Cain or they make Brock a mega mega threat by beating the only guy who has ever beaten him.

Brock has been beaten twice this year though by Rollins, so they've kind of lost the "invincible" gimmick.

Also, I expect the match to be in Saudi, not Mania. So I'll never see it anyway.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 05:39:09 PM
AEW will be airing the Dynamite dark matches on AEW: Dark, airing every Tuesday for free on YouTube.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 05, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Brock will beat Cain. It's a classic booking move with shooters. Give someone a worked win to 'make up' for a shoot loss. They used to do it in RINGS and PRIDE all the time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 05, 2019, 06:39:50 PM
I like how AEW has little details WWE don't pay attention to. Things like how weak MJF's excuse was for not coming to save his "best friend". Or how both of the videos of the comic con incident on Jericho's account omit the fact he slapped Cody first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWJMI_S42B0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRsss4F8-u4
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 07:50:12 PM
Just realised this show is tomorrow and this is all that's been announced.

(https://i.ibb.co/1fhkts0/Screenshot-2019-10-05-Hell-in-a-Cell-2019-Wikipedia.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 05, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
was just thinking that now more than ever PPV seems like an outmoded thing and they should probably just save all the big stuff for TV. ROH did 800 buys of their last PPV. It's all subs now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 05, 2019, 08:42:48 PM
Reports that the teased Tyson Fury v Strowman match is also happening at the Saudi show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
Good. Hope both those matches happen there as I won't be watching.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 05, 2019, 09:05:57 PM
Good. Hope both those matches happen there as I won't be watching.

 ok
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 05, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
Fuck it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 05, 2019, 09:23:55 PM
was just thinking that now more than ever PPV seems like an outmoded thing and they should probably just save all the big stuff for TV. ROH did 800 buys of their last PPV. It's all subs now.
Ultimately you need to build to something bigger than the weekly routine, the whole industry is based on that premise and it's extremely hard to make that thing the weekly TV. Surely a big part of what made WWF beat WCW was the better handing of the divide between the two and the roles they played?

NXT built itself up almost entirely off the takeover shows, and regardless of how it's doing against AEW, that's landed the WWE a very lucrative third TV deal.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 05, 2019, 09:47:34 PM
i'd just go with fewer to establish these special moments with a few Network things like MSG. Hell in a Cell has clearly been a victim of being their 4th priority this week. that's mad.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 05, 2019, 11:21:18 PM
Scarlett Bordeaux has signed with NXT. She's a bombshell and can go in the ring so she should be a star. But if Vince sees her, well, Lacey Evans is in the enclosed pool area.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: gmoney on October 06, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
Apparently the Moxley/Omega coffee table spot was aired in full on ITV this morning. That might attract complaints.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 06, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
Apparently the Moxley/Omega coffee table spot was aired in full on ITV this morning. That might attract complaints.

Ace! Who'd complain about that?

Oh. Parents

Bad parents who let it happen.

Edit: check d my recording and yup, it's there alright.

Smackdown was fun. Kofi jobbed the fuck out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 06, 2019, 05:13:29 PM
Scarlett Bordeaux has signed with NXT. She's a bombshell and can go in the ring so she should be a star. But if Vince sees her, well, Lacey Evans is in the enclosed pool area.

Cool. She is great and is a perfect fit for NXT where she should hopefully be allowed to impress in decent matches. She was really good in all the AAA stuff I saw her in this year doing Lucha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 06, 2019, 08:57:13 PM
HIAC is tonight and they only have 4 confirmed matches?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 06, 2019, 08:57:51 PM
Kevin vs Shane in a cell!

(HITC 17!)

... just in case anyone thinks WWE is samey!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 06, 2019, 09:03:00 PM
HIAC is tonight and they only have 4 confirmed matches?

EDIT: Announced on WWE Now...

Viking Raiders and a mystery partner vs The O.C.

Lacey Evans vs Natalya on a Kick-off show

Chad Gable vs King Corbin

The Kabuki Warriors vs Bliss/Cross for the Women's Tag Team Championship

Rowan/Harper vs Bryan/Reigns is a Tornado tag team match now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 06, 2019, 09:36:54 PM
Oh okay, sounds like an episode of RAW or Smackdown then.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 06, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
Oh okay, sounds like an episode of RAW or Smackdown then.

Pretty much, except with two cell matches. Still praying the cells aren't red again, but of course they will be.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 06, 2019, 09:52:58 PM
So is Wyatt winning guys?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 06, 2019, 09:55:01 PM
So is Wyatt winning guys?

I hope so, but I'm expecting some bullshit shenanigans which means Rollins will be walking out with the title still.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 06, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
Haven't Rollins segments been continiously the lowest rated on the show for a while now? Hopefully that scares them to give the belt to Wyatt, have him rule the roost on Raw for a bit, since he stands out like a sore thumb on Friday Night Inoki.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 06, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
So is Wyatt winning guys?

He should. So naturally he won't.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 06, 2019, 10:54:55 PM
Viking Raiders and a mystery partner vs The O.C.

If this is bloody Cedric Alexander ...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 12:09:16 AM
"There's no escape from Hell in a Cell!!!" Match immediately leaves cell.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:22:05 AM
Sasha really throwing herself into the cell! This has been pretty hard hitting so far.

EDIT: Well, I’ve never seen that spot before! This is ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:28:44 AM
Haha, they were definitely like “we’re making sure this table is going through this time.”
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 12:32:32 AM
Baffling result.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 12:32:50 AM
That was a great match. But it was weird that Sasha threw in all those chairs then nothing really happened with them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 07, 2019, 12:33:27 AM
good that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:33:53 AM
Great match. Sasha should have won. Because where do you go with her now? Back to the tag division to flounder?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 07, 2019, 12:34:22 AM
Baffling result.

Why? Okada Becky is fine with me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 12:35:31 AM
Match was good, some nice creative spots and they layed it in. HitC matches never quite deliver the violence that you'd like though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 07, 2019, 12:36:46 AM
Great match. Sasha should have won. Because where do you go with her now? Back to the tag division to flounder?

She just lost on the night. Wasn't embarrassed or made to look weak. It's fine.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 12:37:28 AM
Why? Okada Becky is fine with me.

Okada's the greatest wrestler in the world. I'm happy to see him as omni-champion. Becky kinda bores me. Sasha needed the win far more.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:38:52 AM
She just lost on the night. Wasn't embarrassed or made to look weak. It's fine.

But she was chased off at COC in her first title match and now lost this one by tapping. And this is during her big comeback. Can’t see her continuing in the title picture now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 12:39:11 AM
She just lost on the night. Wasn't embarrassed or made to look weak. It's fine.

She lost. And will just walk into a rematch because they have nowhere else to go. Wins and losses don't mean anything in WWE, so it's hard to invest.

When Okada beats someone, they go to the back of the queue. Because it matters when you lose there.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:41:39 AM
I also thought Fox would want Becky, so it’s odd that she’s still the Raw Women’s champ. I’m expecting Charlotte to beat Bayley now too.

EDIT: Maybe Sasha is going to SD instead.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:50:28 AM
This match is dull. Thought the tornado rules would make it fun.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 12:51:56 AM
WWE give some people no chance to shine, but they also give some people too many chances. Harper and Rowan are never going to be compelling characters, enough with them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:53:23 AM
WWE give some people no chance to shine, but they also give some people too many chances. Harper and Rowan are never going to be compelling characters, enough with them.

They also miss opportunities. Remember how over Harper was during that Bray v Orton feud? That’s when they should have gotten behind him. But nah, they gave him a hammer and put him back with Rowan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 12:54:38 AM
I rather like Harper. Rowan is just worthless. Still baffling to think he was revealed as the mastermind agains Reigns.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 12:54:55 AM
They also miss opportunities. Remember how over Harper was during that Bray v Orton feud? That’s when they should have gotten behind him. But nah, they gave him a hammer and put him back with Rowan.

To be fair, I don't think Harper would have sustained that hot streak.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:56:01 AM
To be fair, I don't think Harper would have sustained that hot streak.

He’s a good wrestler, so it was at least worth a shot.

This match picked up in the past five mins actually.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 12:57:17 AM
They're all really scaring me with these fake injuries.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 01:06:59 AM
We really need to get that belt off Seth or turn him heel or send him to a promo class or SOMETHING.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:13:23 AM
I swear he's getting worse.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:22:06 AM
That was the definition of filler.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:23:32 AM
Ali’s great. Loved that counter. Orton can get to fuck though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:25:14 AM
Jesus, they're doing Natalya/Evans again.

Ali’s great. Loved that counter. Orton can get to fuck though.

Great in the ring, but very boring personality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:26:58 AM
Jesus, they're doing Natalya/Evans again.

Great in the ring, but very boring personality.

I actually enjoy his promos. Those ones he films himself, which WWE aired for a few weeks but then stopped.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:28:56 AM
Nice to see Asuka and Kairi are still alive.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:29:36 AM
I actually enjoy his promos. Those ones he films himself, which WWE aired for a few weeks but then stopped.

Where he was wondering the streets talking about being a hero? They were good. Different to the norm. Not surprised to here he filmed them himself.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:31:32 AM
Where he was wondering the streets talking about being a hero? They were good. Different to the norm. Not surprised to here he filmed them himself.

Yep those ones.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:31:47 AM
Nice to see Asuka and Kairi are still alive.

Asuka's taking a leaf out of Xavier Wood's tree and is building a youtube video game channel. Using WWE even if they don't want to use her.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:37:56 AM
Asuka has do much charisma. The more she heels it up the more the crowd love her.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:38:07 AM
Whoa! Genuinely popped for the mist!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:39:42 AM
I read that Asuka resigned earlier, so that result adds up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:41:30 AM
I love them both. The women's division should be built around Asuka, but you know, she's Japanese, so ...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:44:31 AM
I love them both. The women's division should be built around Asuka, but you know, she's Japanese, so ...

But now that AEW are pushing joshis...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:55:11 AM
We’re definitely just watching Raw now. I’ve loaded up the Cultaholic boys’ live stream for some background noise.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 01:57:50 AM
What a pointless dq.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 01:58:25 AM
What a pointless dq.

What a pointless match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 02:04:07 AM
Bored of this 24/7 title stuff now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 02:09:20 AM
Gable needs the win here. He can’t lose to Corbin three times on the trot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 02:44:15 AM
As expected after the earlier result. No idea what they do with Sasha and Bayley now. Making them both cry and throw tantrums to play into those fake rumours from Mania.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 03:13:53 AM
State of this fucking match
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 03:14:26 AM
This is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 03:27:01 AM
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Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 03:27:13 AM
Colossal embarrassment. There's so many ways they could have got around giving The Fiend the belt, but that's what they went with.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 03:42:05 AM
RJ Mendoza
@are_jay_emm

After the lights came up at Golden 1 Center #HIAC #cancelwwenetwork

https://twitter.com/are_jay_emm/status/1181034041572638720 (https://twitter.com/are_jay_emm/status/1181034041572638720)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 03:43:16 AM
When something terrible or amazing happens in wrestling, fans are prone to hyperbole in the immediate aftermath. But surely getting DQ’ed in a HIAC match has to be one of the all-time worst finishes. This is just 48 hours after Kofi’s title reign ended in 5 seconds, which I’m sure will also go down in history for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 03:45:10 AM
Well overreacting is part of the fun of being a fan of course. But yeah, tonight's finish was bad.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 03:46:12 AM
Bless X Pac.

https://twitter.com/funky_chuck/status/1181036777555058688 (https://twitter.com/funky_chuck/status/1181036777555058688)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 07, 2019, 03:48:48 AM
And finally ...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGPdcArXoAUenOW?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 07, 2019, 06:44:48 AM
I hope so, but I'm expecting some bullshit shenanigans which means Rollins will be walking out with the title still.

 Congrats!

But surely getting DQ’ed in a HIAC match has to be one of the all-time worst finishes.

We said this last year
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 07, 2019, 07:08:35 AM
Man what the fuck were they thinking. The Fiend being tended to by referees and paramedics hahaha
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 07, 2019, 09:09:23 AM
The Riddle/Goldberg confrontation from backstage at Summerslam https://streamable.com/hxyzb

Even more hilariously awkward than Riddle described.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 07, 2019, 09:22:59 AM
Not a huge fan of WhatCulture Wrestling but got a good laugh out of seeing their reaction to the ending of that Fiend/Rollins match. Just a perfect encapsulation of the beaten down WWE fan - they're so excited during the match, hoping for Bray to win. Then they start thinking "This is going too long, they're going to lose the crowd." Then the end happens and it's a brief tantrum and then just staring sadly. WWE: Putting smiles on faces!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 07, 2019, 09:41:11 AM
Why the hell did they book The Fiend in a title match if they aren’t ready to make him champ.

Raw should be fun!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 07, 2019, 10:45:07 AM
I was expecting shenanigans, but nothing as monumentally shite as that. They had about a million ways to get themselves out of the hole they'd booked themselves into and they chose the worst possible way of doing it.

This company has real WCW 2000 vibes about it right now. You can swerve the fans, but you can't screw them. Swerved fans keep tuning in and buying tickets because they don't know what happens next. Screwed fans don't because they don't care what happens next.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 07, 2019, 11:03:03 AM
lot of people are like UHHH THE ENDING and i am like fuck me the whole match was absolutely shit on toast
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: BeardFaceMan on October 07, 2019, 11:36:07 AM
https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1180994737899220994

That's the most entertaining thing WWE have done for months. So I'm guessing it was Fox and not WWE who were responsible.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
lot of people are like UHHH THE ENDING and i am like fuck me the whole match was absolutely shit on toast

Same. I hated the whole match. The Fiend should be a Taker/Kane style monster, dominating his matches. Instead he spent the majority of the match on his back as Rollins beat him with various weapons like an out of control Vic and Bob sketch.

The ending just tipped it over into worst of all time territory.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 07, 2019, 05:54:47 PM
Really enjoying Alvarez’s hammer analysis on WOR. If there’s an upside to the state of WWE, it’s listening to how exasperated he constantly is at the booking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 07, 2019, 06:05:06 PM
Really enjoying Alvarez’s hammer analysis on WOR. If there’s an upside to the state of WWE, it’s listening to how exasperated he constantly is at the booking.

Haha, yeah. I just re subbed to F4W for news really.

I might be getting smarky, but it just struck me as a News Season. I find the coverage - especially Bryan and Vinny - more interesting than the shows sometime.

AEW was fun. Just hoping that maintains my interest, yknow? I'm not going to bother with this HITC show. Might watch the Becky match or something, but my fandom has evaporated.

Will be fun in WWE 2K20 seeing all the AEW stuff. Wonder if they'll police the community content for that this year?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 07, 2019, 06:26:06 PM
I for one liked the ending of the match. It's good seeing the rules properly enforced. The DQ was fair.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on October 07, 2019, 07:30:59 PM
I for one liked the ending of the match. It's good seeing the rules properly enforced. The DQ was fair.

Go on then, what are the rules and how was the DQ fair?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 07, 2019, 08:01:12 PM
This reflects the sport based content that Fox wants, Cain Valasquez and Tyson Fury signposted us to this outcome. A DQ protected the wrestler at risk. Seth snapped and was about to 'kill' Bray. A vulnerable MMA fighter in danger would be protected by the referee, ditto in Boxing.

The booking makes Seth dangerous, having to go to his dark side ala Triple H vs. Cactus Jack back in the day. He is the Beast Slayer, The King Slayer and all that jazz. The Fiend is vulnerable after all, this reveals the Heal of the Hurt and Heal. Continuing the nuance of his character.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 07, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
This reflects the sport based content that Fox wants, Cain Valasquez and Tyson Fury signposted us to this outcome. A DQ protected the wrestler at risk. Seth snapped and was about to 'kill' Bray. A vulnerable MMA fighter in danger would be protected by the referee, ditto in Boxing.

The booking makes Seth dangerous, having to go to his dark side ala Triple H vs. Cactus Jack back in the day. He is the Beast Slayer, The King Slayer and all that jazz. The Fiend is vulnerable after all, this reveals the Heal of the Hurt and Heal. Continuing the nuance of his character.

I’m not a massive fan of MMA but what was that famous fight were the bloke hit the other fella with a big hammer but the referee wouldn’t let him use the smaller hammer? Think it might have been Colin McGregor
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 07, 2019, 08:53:44 PM
We don't know if The Fiend was weakened or if he was playing possum, when he got to Seth after the match.

The company tried to protect both their champion and their most interesting character. People are talking about the controversy, there's a curiosity as to how they can salvage this feud. For the first time in a while it brings curiosity to Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 07, 2019, 09:24:40 PM
We don't know if The Fiend was weakened or if he was playing possum, when he got to Seth after the match.

The company tried to protect both their champion and their most interesting character. People are talking about the controversy, there's a curiosity as to how they can salvage this feud. For the first time in a while it brings curiosity to Raw.
Nah dude. They blew their load by having their hottest build end too soon on a week where no one was paying attention to the event with the payoff and decided to try and drag it out instead. WWE have been so terrible at holding off on matches for years.

Really though, the biggest mistake here is having Hell in a Cell as a PPV. I get why they done it back in 2010 as a desperate measure to prop up PPV buys but it's been a huge hindrance to sensible booking for years with no perceivable upside.


Half expect the title change to occur in SA now. And they've probably killed the curiosity factor and just outright babyfaced The Fiend too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
Becky & Charlotte vs. Asuka & Kairi booked for Raw. Waiting for that two-woman power trip.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 07, 2019, 10:05:04 PM
Just watched it. I think to my tastes, the red lighting making it hard to see, I’m not a huge cage match fan, Bray Wyatt’s mask being unpleasant to look at and then the whole match and booking thing, that might just be the worst match I have ever seen. I’ve seen very shit zero star matches at local indies before but this was actively loatheble. Minus 5 stars indeed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 07, 2019, 10:36:29 PM

The company tried to protect both their champion and their most interesting character. People are talking about the controversy, there's a curiosity as to how they can salvage this feud. For the first time in a while it brings curiosity to Raw.

this is straight up Russo logic, and while WWE's position is much more secure than WCW 2000, this was pure contempt heat because they do this so often. they tried to achieve similar things with the Dusty finish and look where doing that loads got Crockett.

I would also like to give myself a fiver for saying when the Fiend finally got in the ring it would all fall apart. I know this one isn't on him, but the gimmick mandates wackiness.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 07, 2019, 10:48:30 PM
Hell in a Cell used to finish feuds organically adding an extra layer of intrigue and brutality

Now it's just a steel cage match scheduled for the champions once a year with no cachet

I'm still not entirely convinced Money in the Bank should've moved from Mania. But it still, I guess, means something.

MitB > winning the Rumble
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 07, 2019, 11:12:46 PM
this is straight up Russo logic, and while WWE's position is much more secure than WCW 2000, this was pure contempt heat because they do this so often. they tried to achieve similar things with the Dusty finish and look where doing that loads got Crockett.

I would also like to give myself a fiver for saying when the Fiend finally got in the ring it would all fall apart. I know this one isn't on him, but the gimmick mandates wackiness.

The career arc of Bray Wyatt is all about falling at the final hurdle. That's when he finally wins the big one, when he's in his Dude Love phase, in a lovable face gimmick. We're probably a third of the way through his Mankind phase.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 07, 2019, 11:58:43 PM
Reports that Bray and Sasha are both injured.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Chairman Yang on October 08, 2019, 12:07:48 AM
I don't watch much wrestling, do they always call him "Thefiendbraywyatt"?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 08, 2019, 12:09:16 AM
I don't watch much wrestling, do they always call him "Thefiendbraywyatt"?

Yes they do. They do it with all of their wrestlers; everyone has to have a nickname and it has to be referred to everytime. It is unlistenable shite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 08, 2019, 12:38:00 AM
Yes they do. They do it with all of their wrestlers; everyone has to have a nickname and it has to be referred to everytime. It is unlistenable shite.

The Fiend is an alter-ego for Bray Wyatt, similar to Finn Balor's Demon. It's not just a nickname.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 08, 2019, 06:24:23 AM
Yes they do. They do it with all of their wrestlers; everyone has to have a nickname and it has to be referred to everytime. It is unlistenable shite.

IT'S THE BIG DOG ROMAN REIGNS! Yes, shite indeed.

Anyway, barely any mention of Hell in the Cell last night, with neither Bray nor Seth on the show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 08, 2019, 06:34:12 AM
Becky & Charlotte vs. Asuka & Kairi booked for Raw. Waiting for that two-woman power trip.

Surprisingly not.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 08, 2019, 07:05:45 AM
The rivalry between the Architect Kingslayer Seth Rollins and The Fiend Bray Wyatt wasn't featured on the longest running episodic show on television?

Must've improved it!

Wonder what nickname Fury will get if he's around for a while?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 08, 2019, 07:13:39 AM
This Raw just sounded really boring.

I wanted to see Seth get booed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 08, 2019, 07:45:31 AM
The rivalry between the Architect Kingslayer Seth Rollins and The Fiend Bray Wyatt wasn't featured on the longest running episodic show on television?

Must've improved it!

Wonder what nickname Fury will get if he's around for a while?

His titantron thing looked like they’d completely forgot he was coming and had 1 minute to create it on WWE 2k15.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: BeardFaceMan on October 08, 2019, 08:02:42 AM
This Raw just sounded really boring.

I wanted to see Seth get booed.

At least that proves that WWE aren't completely brain-dead, they knew he would get the shit booed out of him so they didn't put him on the show. Then again, they booked themselves into a position where they had to keep their champ off TV, so I wouldn't exactly call them brain-alive either.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 08, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
IT'S THE BIG DOG ROMAN REIGNS! Yes, shite indeed.

New Day’s intro for Reigns deemed “not PG enough”.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 08, 2019, 11:09:06 AM
Quite impressive to sacrifize a good title reign by one of the most beloved wrestlers in your company to a charisma less boring UFC fighter, bring in a horrible boxer to fight Braun and ruin the most popular wrestler in your company in just one weekend by DQ in cell. Bravo WWE. Great job.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 08, 2019, 11:15:50 AM
And just to be clear: Talking about Cain, not Brock.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 08, 2019, 11:36:17 AM
Rey's promo on RAW last night really sold the match, great stuff.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 08, 2019, 02:44:45 PM
Quite impressive to sacrifize a good title reign by one of the most beloved wrestlers in your company to a charisma less boring UFC fighter, bring in a horrible boxer to fight Braun and ruin the most popular wrestler in your company in just one weekend by DQ in cell. Bravo WWE. Great job.

it's a hit job on Kofi but 10 years of mid-card presentation affected their mindset. they saw him as nothing more than that, and he fluked by getting himself over.

Cain is over as fuck. Sometimes not being a promo doesn't matter. People will get a subscription to see him. The business is about selling fights, not telling stories.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 08, 2019, 02:49:32 PM
Kofi had a really strong reign to be honest. In terms of looking dominant. He took on all challengers and beat them all clean. I don't think he even lost on TV. Until last week obviously.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 08, 2019, 03:08:37 PM
it's a hit job on Kofi but 10 years of mid-card presentation affected their mindset. they saw him as nothing more than that, and he fluked by getting himself over.

Cain is over as fuck. Sometimes not being a promo doesn't matter. People will get a subscription to see him. The business is about selling fights, not telling stories.

None of that is untrue, but I'm not entirely sure why Brock even needs the belt for this angle, let alone to bury Kofi in the process of getting it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 08, 2019, 03:56:07 PM
None of that is untrue, but I'm not entirely sure why Brock even needs the belt for this angle, let alone to bury Kofi in the process of getting it.

DAVE seems to suggest that Fox made a few demands.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 08, 2019, 06:10:45 PM
Some drama if you missed it.

(https://i.ibb.co/G7FRgb6/Screenshot-2019-10-08-William-Regal-on-Twitter-I-hate-doing-this-but-no-choice-Roy-Paddy-you-ve-got-my-number-Be-men-the.png)

Paige's older brother just posted a video on Facebook saying that William Regal has been talking trash about their family behind their backs and has stopped him from getting a WWE tryout

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158832357009018&id=576409017 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158832357009018&id=576409017)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/dez6f3/paiges_older_brother_just_posted_a_video_on/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/dez6f3/paiges_older_brother_just_posted_a_video_on/)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 08, 2019, 08:03:29 PM
Regal is the WWE Director of Talent Development and Head of Global Recruiting

So he IS gonna talk about talent, good and bad - that's his job. As is, presumably, offering tryouts or not.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on October 08, 2019, 08:12:57 PM
At least I could read Regal's tweet and it wasn't smothered in some kind of weird red lighting.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 08, 2019, 09:06:24 PM
https://twitter.com/nwa/status/1181552254475743236?s=20

This is going to get watched by me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 08, 2019, 09:22:43 PM
Do AEW have any game deal lined up?

An actual remotely half decent wrestling game could do wonders for them, I imagine. After nearly 20 years of the WWE games being sterile as fuck (Here Comes the Pain is the last that felt at all fresh, right?).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 08, 2019, 09:28:30 PM
Do AEW have any game deal lined up?

An actual remotely half decent wrestling game could do wonders for them, I imagine. After nearly 20 years of the WWE games being sterile as fuck (Here Comes the Pain is the last that felt at all fresh, right?).

They did say they're gonna do a game.

Omega specifically said he wants to bring back the AKI Engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqJ9BZpE7HA
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 08, 2019, 10:47:06 PM
https://twitter.com/nwa/status/1181552254475743236?s=20

This is going to get watched by me.

I’ll check this out, the set looks ace.

Looking forward to AEW Dark later too. Heard great things about the 8-man tag (Lucha Bros and Angelico & Evans vs Private Party and Best Friends).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 09, 2019, 12:31:01 AM
I’ll check this out, the set looks ace.

I was really good. Exactly what it should be. A Power hour studio show that is promos about men wanting to win championships and matches that feed into the promos. Simple and effective/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aegl1dWAT_8

And the retro presentation is really cool (I would have liked an NWA on the mat itself but mino fault and Cornette on commentary... it's fucking Cornette on commentary. Brilliant.


Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 09, 2019, 03:10:17 AM
AEW Dark was decent. Just a nice, breezy hour of mostly good wrestling. The Womens Tag got quite sloppy at the end but Darby/CIMA, the 8-Man Tag (Lucha Bros, Angelico and Evans vs. Private Party and Best Friends) and Jurassic Express vs. SCU were all good. Tony Schiavone is excellent in the event centre role. Judging from crowd reactions, it does feel like Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin a d Jurassic Express could all become very popular in this promotion.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 09, 2019, 09:47:47 AM
They did say they're gonna do a game.

Omega specifically said he wants to bring back the AKI Engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqJ9BZpE7HA

I'm not really sure how that would work as AKI were merged into Syn Sophia and they haven't made a wrestling game since some Ultimate Muscle-licensed tat for the PS2 in the mid 2000's. They just make dress up and dancing games for 8 year old Japanese girls and paedophiles these days.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 09, 2019, 09:57:14 AM
just watched NWA Powerrr and it was great. Territories cosplay but really well done.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 09, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
seriously, give this a bash, comes out of the gate with a really good promo by Nick Aldis (whose accent wavers but whatever) and the throughstory of Storm v Aldis is well-executed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aegl1dWAT_8
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 09, 2019, 06:13:14 PM
watched AEW Dark as well actually, not bad at all, but a B show and some of the wrestling was irritating. Darby v CIMA was good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 09, 2019, 06:15:55 PM
Mike Sempervive > Alvarez
Garrett Gonzales or whatever his name is > Alvarez
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 09, 2019, 06:21:27 PM
nah Alvarez is great, especially now he's learned how to rein in Dave. Sempervive is annoying. I do like Garrett though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 09, 2019, 07:51:56 PM
Caught up with NWA Power. Very enjoyable show. I'm not that familiar with Nick Aldis, but he definitely carries himself like a champion.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 09, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
nah Alvarez is great, especially now he's learned how to rein in Dave. Sempervive is annoying. I do like Garrett though.

I generally like them all but am always amazed by Meltzer’s complete inability to detect sarcasm. Particularly bad when Alvarez explains he wasn’t being serious and Meltzer doubles down and answers the question seriously anyway.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 09, 2019, 08:47:30 PM
I generally like them all but am always amazed by Meltzer’s complete inability to detect sarcasm. Particularly bad when Alvarez explains he wasn’t being serious and Meltzer doubles down and answers the question seriously anyway.

I've wondered if Dave has aspergers or something, because he also just can't do hypotheticals

He answers with stuff like "well it didn't happen that way" and "there's no way to know". I sent in how he'd book a WWE run WCW once and he said it never happened. Yeah, I know...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 09, 2019, 09:18:22 PM
I've wondered if Dave has aspergers or something, because he also just can't do hypotheticals

He answers with stuff like "well it didn't happen that way" and "there's no way to know". I sent in how he'd book a WWE run WCW once and he said it never happened. Yeah, I know...
He's an odd duck, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 10, 2019, 11:35:50 AM
Thought this week's Dynamite was very good. A bit of a lull in the middle of the show with the Womens Tag and MOX/Spears maybe each going a bit long but I loved Private Party vs. Young Bucks and really enjoyed the main event - the best Hangman has looked in AEW thus far. Jericho's promo with his new gang was excellent. I've always been a huge Jericho fan but he is carrying himself like an absolute megastar in AEW. If AEW really succeeds to a great level, it's a feather in Jericho's cap that really solidifies him among the all-time greats.

Meanwhile, fucken STARDUST is the biggest babyface in professional wrestling. Wild.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 10, 2019, 11:47:42 AM
I thought last week’s Dynamite premiere was a solid opener, but this week’s episode was fantastic.

Almost everything was clicking here. Looked great, hot crowd, some ace matches, and lots of story building. That tag team opener between the Bucks and Private Party was amazing, and then Jericho delivered a classic promo, immediately putting his group over (the name Inner Circle is decent too).

I also really like how so many stories and feuds are intertwining. That’s something mostly missing from WWE, especially on the main roster—things tend to exist in a bubble.

The only real downside at the minute is the women’s division. There isn’t a strong feud to get stuck into (Bea v Britt isn’t really popping) yet. That will hopefully come with time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 10, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
I'll catch up tonight, but I didn't like the clip I saw of Jericho calling the "We The People" chant "bad creative", a bit Russo WCW territory if you start bringing up creative like that. Also the crowd were chanting it, so it's clearly over, and it's the only compelling thing Swagger has been involved with. Also also the crowd cheered Jericho for calling it dumb, even though they were just chanting it. We the sheeple, more like!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 10, 2019, 12:59:32 PM
It was a good bit of crowd control and at least the idea of 'creative' can be applied to slogans and names without breaking kayfabe.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 10, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
It was a good bit of crowd control and at least the idea of 'creative' can be applied to slogans and names without breaking kayfabe.

Did they need to be controlled? Hager isn't dripping with charisma, they shouldn't take away his catchphrase. And, sure, creative could be applied to that, but it quite clearly wasn't.

Anyway, I don't want to be the guy bashing AEW all the time, Darby Allin coming down on a skateboard to attack Jericho was funny.
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Post by: Timothy on October 10, 2019, 02:38:59 PM
I'll catch up tonight, but I didn't like the clip I saw of Jericho calling the "We The People" chant "bad creative", a bit Russo WCW territory if you start bringing up creative like that. Also the crowd were chanting it, so it's clearly over, and it's the only compelling thing Swagger has been involved with. Also also the crowd cheered Jericho for calling it dumb, even though they were just chanting it. We the sheeple, more like!

Agreed.

Jericho says he doesn't want a war but continues to fire shots at WWE. Is getting a bit old.

Quite funny to saw all those fans reacting so excited about Hager. Wonder how many people of the same fans complained that he was boring when he won MITB a few years ago.

AEW shows are decent so far. Better then RAW and SD but that's not really difficult.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 10, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
I thought Jericho played the crowd beautifully. They don't want people chanting "We The People" because 1) Hager is a heel and 2) it's associated with WWE. So what better way to get those fans to stop than by slamming it as a lame WWE gimmick.

I'm also impressed by how he managed to work in "a little bit of the bubbly" without it seeming forced. Jericho is the all-time great in my eyes.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 10, 2019, 02:52:21 PM
Agreed.

Jericho says he doesn't want a war but continues to fire shots at WWE. Is getting a bit old.

Quite funny to saw all those fans reacting so excited about Hager. Wonder how many people of the same fans complained that he was boring when he won MITB a few years ago.

AEW shows are decent so far. Better then RAW and SD but that's not really difficult.

Cody Rhodes was a WWE midcard tag jobber. Just saying.
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Post by: kitsofan34 on October 10, 2019, 02:56:41 PM
Jericho is great but he doesn’t get that much heat. He shouldn't be making comments about the rival company that he knows will pop the crowd. Whilst his heel work with The List was also really entertaining, he essentially turned himself face as a result. I’m not sure how one would go about being a proper old school heel in this day and age but Jericho doesn’t manage it very well.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 10, 2019, 02:57:33 PM
I thought Jericho played the crowd beautifully. They don't want people chanting "We The People" because 1) Hager is a heel and 2) it's associated with WWE. So what better way to get those fans to stop than by slamming it as a lame WWE gimmick.

I'm also impressed by how he managed to work in "a little bit of the bubbly" without it seeming forced. Jericho is the all-time great in my eyes.

Hager's a heel and can't have his catchphrase, but Jericho can lean in to his new catchphrase? Also, Hager was using "we the people" during his MMA run, so he's taken ownership of it.

Jericho is great but he doesn’t get that much heat. He shouldn't be making comments about the rival company that he knows will pop the crowd. Whilst his heel work with The List was also really entertaining, he essentially turned himself face as a result. I’m not sure how one would go about being a proper old school heel in this day and age but Jericho doesn’t manage it very well.

Yeah, Jericho is very entertaining. Love him. But he hasn't felt like a proper heel since perhaps his feud with Punk in 2012. We've already got enough knowing smugness from The Elite, the heel needs to go the other way.
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Post by: Timothy on October 10, 2019, 03:12:26 PM
Cody Rhodes was a WWE midcard tag jobber. Just saying.

Cody Rhodes was praised by fans for his work, even when he was Stardust or the midcard tag jobber. People liked him and enjoyed his matches. Not much people complained about Cody being on WWE TV.

Swagger on the other hand.... nearly everybody agreed that guy was incredibly dull. Bad on the mic, dull in the ring. What's changed now that he's in AEW?
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 10, 2019, 03:17:14 PM
Hager's a heel and can't have his catchphrase, but Jericho can lean in to his new catchphrase? Also, Hager was using "we the people" during his MMA run, so he's taken ownership of it.

It's still mostly associated with his WWE run and they clearly want to go in another direction.

Swagger on the other hand.... nearly everybody agreed that guy was incredibly dull. Bad on the mic, dull in the ring. What's changed now that he's in AEW?

Nothing. There's still plenty of criticism for Hager. Yeah, the crowd popped last week, I guess just because of the surprise of it. But I haven't seen anyone raving about Hager being in AEW.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 10, 2019, 03:25:01 PM
Walter v Kushida was great.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 10, 2019, 06:16:16 PM
Cody Rhodes was praised by fans for his work, even when he was Stardust or the midcard tag jobber. People liked him and enjoyed his matches. Not much people complained about Cody being on WWE TV.

Swagger on the other hand.... nearly everybody agreed that guy was incredibly dull. Bad on the mic, dull in the ring. What's changed now that he's in AEW?

WWE aren’t writing his scripts and booking his matches. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fully prepared for him to be crap, but I’m also prepared to give every WWE refugee the benefit of the doubt, knowing full well how badly that company has handled countless performers. The Elite must see something in him or else they wouldn’t have signed him.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 10, 2019, 09:47:54 PM
This place is fine but I’m getting really fed up of watching loads of wrestling that I like only to go online to find loads of people trying to out do each other in negativity. That why NWA show was so refreshing because seeing so many people just be positive about it added to fun.

The latest game is shouting about ratings. I know I have discussed them before but I need to just ignore all that shit. It’s just a mood killer. There are at least 6 hours a week of wrestling I like + endless NJPW.

Need to up my positive vibes.

(My take is that the Jericho promo was perfect and destroying ” we the people” was exactly the right thing to do).
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 10, 2019, 11:40:16 PM
Enjoyed Dynamite much more than last week, especially the closing mayhem. I'd like there to be less matches though. I know that's weird to say for a wrestling show, but there's a lot of "here are people wrestling, why should I care?", it's a valid point Jim Cornette has raised about AEW previously. They need more promos, more character establishment, and not to give away too many great matches that could be PPV worthy. Jericho's segment was one of the strongest parts of the show (my one criticism aside) and it served to get those four guys over much more. I did enjoy Moxley's match and I hope the egos of those in charge don't get in the way of making him the top star. He's clearly the one that the fans want.
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Post by: madhair60 on October 11, 2019, 08:17:21 AM
I thought it was notable that Jericho's Inner Circle promo put over himself, four other guys, buried the competition and set up the match in a shade under seven minutes.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 11, 2019, 08:37:39 AM
Unless he's injured, I think AEW is underusing Pentagon Jr. He's better than a tag team wrestler.

Aside from Jericho who has been consistently great, I still think AEW is being pushed by fan's hope rather than expectation. Again, I felt the NXT matches were better. It's still early days though.

I echo the positivity about the NWA show.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 11, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
definitely too much wrestling on TV. 1hr shows with a couple of squashes and a couple of mid-cards are the Platonic ideal. but TV is how they make money so they have to put more resources to it.

DAVE gave Bray-Seth minus two stars. His burial of the Gable thing is worth copying here actually.

Quote
7. Chad Gable pinned King Corbin in 12:39. This was just the worst. The whole match was trying tom get the Shorty Gable name over. The announcers became unbearable having to do that. Corbin did it fr heat before the match. The crowd was dead during this match past an STD chant at Corbin. Gable used the Chaos Theory suplex for a near fall. Gable wrapped Corbin’s leg round the post twice and hit a moonsault for a near fall. This match was the anti-Miyahara match in that it felt twice as long as it was. It just dragged with no heat and endless shorty remarks. Corbin choke slammed him on the apron. Corbin went to use the scepter but the ref took it from him. Gable then got the pin with a schoolboy and announcer Rich Hamilton said, “The winner, Shorty Gable.” Later in the show, when Gable was being interviewed by Kayla Braxton, who is like 4-foot-11, she’s out there having to make fun of him for being short. And then Gable hardly got to celebrate his fluke win, since Corbin jumped him, beat him up and threw him into a garbage can. The worst part of Gable is not that this short thing is driven down your throat, but that he’s out there acting like he’s about to cry whenever it’s brought up. I’ve never seen a major league company, aside from the ones who just went completely down the tubes from stupidity (and there’s only a few of those so bad in the last 30 years) are so completely inept when it comes to making babyfaces. *1/4
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 11, 2019, 12:34:47 PM
Unless he's injured, I think AEW is underusing Pentagon Jr. He's better than a tag team wrestler.

Aside from Jericho who has been consistently great, I still think AEW is being pushed by fan's hope rather than expectation. Again, I felt the NXT matches were better. It's still early days though.

As has been said though, it's not all about matches. What I really loved about Dynamite this week was how many stories were intertwined and how that is helping multiple people get over simultaneously. I didn't have a clue who Darby Allin was before AEW, now he's someone I look forward to watching the most, and him skateboarding down the ramp to take out Jericho is one of my favourite moments in wrestling this year.

I'm loving the slow-burn of the MJF/Cody stuff too. And thought they added a nice layer to the Moxley/Omega feud with Moxley dropping the baseball bat and not taking the cheap way after PAC's attack on Omega. 
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Post by: peanutbutter on October 11, 2019, 09:25:34 PM
Moxley is absolutely huge compared to most of his WWE run, isn't he? The reduced schedule just leading to him working out like fucking crazy, is it?

Thought Jericho done an amazing job setting up his group there.

Post-Double or Nothing, Dustin Rhodes being called "The Natural" to me is a bit weird. It totally worked as a career encapsulating type thing for that match but now I just find it a bit jarring, not sure why. He's still looking great though.




Watched the NWA show there too. It's kinda weird but it works, the deliberate retro vibes let them get away with a much cheaper budget without looking crap. What's the deal with this Tim Storm dude though? How did he become an NWA champion? Where'd his career even develop?
Aldis is a bit weird to me, I remember patches in TNA where he came across great but I can't for the life of me remember why.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 11, 2019, 10:31:10 PM
Unless he's injured, I think AEW is underusing Pentagon Jr.

Every promotion has underused him. He's one of the best there is (not necessarily was, nor ever will be)
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Post by: Timothy on October 11, 2019, 11:30:23 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQLCLdcfjns

Cain and Brock do the WWE Crown Jewel match announcement. Painful.
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Post by: peanutbutter on October 11, 2019, 11:32:06 PM
I think AEW are being a bit deliberately overcautious as to how they use their roster atm. It'd be very easy to burn through some of their biggest matches and feuds atm but they're nearly doing the opposite with things like the Young Bucks jobbing. Think there's a decent chance they're fully aware they're underusing Pentagon but it's because they know they can hold off on his main event title challenging run a bit longer than they can for Cody and a few others.

It's tricky but making the tag division a bigger deal is the perfect way to keep top guys out of the world championship singles area long enough to ensure big matches feel big.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 11, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
Jericho v Darby next week is now a Philly Street Fight. Darby's going to die again.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 01:10:36 AM
My girlfriend hates pretty much everything I like including all of pro wrestling (she did like the Sendai Girls show live TBF) and we just had a "date night" where we watched The Apprentice (bored), Drag Race (bored) and then NWA. She is pissed but she piped up immediately with the retro style and the promos as I suspect is more than happy to watch more episodes.

I'm not exagerating but I genuinely think the NWA show is the best wrestling show I've seen for years. I absolutely adore it.

Personally, I agree with Meltzer that the AEW show was bookended by awesome stuff but I thought the middle 40 mins was shite. Like the first episode, in a 2 hour show there was a 40 min dead slot which is worryingly poor. The Private Party match was INCREDIBLE, Jericho's promo was INCREDIBLE and the last 20 mins was very good. But it's far from a perfect show. On balance, it's 8/10 and I love it but if AEW going to be WHAT THE FANS WANT then this fan, i.e. me,  doesn't dig these storyline tags, like the women's match.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 01:28:23 AM
Speaking of Meltzer I thought his takes on AEW was nonsense. Young Buck's and Kenny going on losing streaks is exactly what this company needs and when 6 months down the line they are going on title charges (let Cody be the main event guy for now - I have put it in writing here - let them rotate and put on awesome matches on undercard - The private party match and the post-match celebration was one of the most joyous things I have ever seen in wrestling - and, if the rumours are true Kenny/Janela is a classic we seeing next week - ergo: awesome).
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 01:30:00 AM
Anyone watching SMACKDOWN?  I worried about the ratings being Friday USA time but for me it's perfect... I will watch... pissed up; girlfriend gone to bed and listening to Charlie XCX with SMACKDOWN on silent. Perfect for us UK viewers.
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 01:31:33 AM
Watched the NWA show last night. Loved it. Man they really captured the old days.

This draft shit is not fun to watch
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 01:33:43 AM
Also, I am always willing to own my own wrongs; the Smackdown set is absolutely incredible and I love it. It looks amazing on screen.
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 01:40:21 AM
Shorty Gable... fucking hell
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 01:44:36 AM
Shorty Gable... fucking hell

I'm watching on a snide Indian feed (I have DEFINITELY PAID for Sky Sports but my TV is down - if you are watching Mr Murdoch - :) )

At the point it has cut to advert if SHORTY wins then I will give them the benefit of the doubt. If Gable loses... christ... Ramayana!!!
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 01:49:31 AM
They have no idea. That was a cracking match. And in their internal logic it makes sense but why? ....
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 02:02:34 AM
This is dead boring, all feels so sterile.

The execs choosing the draft thing sucks
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 02:05:21 AM
Apparently the list wwe released of who is available for the draft, is in the order everyone who has been picked so far so they accidentally spoiled their own draft lol
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 02:09:16 AM
Agreed. I would be so into a Cain / Brock feud but this is dogshit. a. it's in Saudi so fuck it; b. them showing the actual UFC footage just makes the whole thing look silly and reminds us it is fake.

This time last week I was marking out for this feud but now... nah; couldn't give a shit. And as for that cunt Tyson Fury.. fuck off the racist, homophobic cunt.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 12, 2019, 02:10:51 AM
That stare down between Braun and Fury was hilariously awkward. Press conferences for WWE events are always laughable. That said, Brock did cut a great promo.
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 02:13:50 AM
Yeah I just cannot understand the logic of paying 2 people who’ve actually fucked each other up to pretend fuck each other up. Valasquez cant even deliver a promo. Suppose Heyman books himself a nice payday though.

The fact it’s for the Saudi’s just makes it all 10x more soul crushing

Fucking followed up with Susan G Komen. Hahaha.
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 02:17:53 AM
Kofi seems really upset about losing his belt in 10 seconds to the guy who was just in the ring 5 mins ago
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 12, 2019, 02:27:55 AM
Fake drafts onto fake brands is such soul-destroying television
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 02:31:48 AM
Aye. This is utter garbage. I'm flicking between listening to it and watching it on silence with music on in the background. I finally gave up and am listening to Taylor Swift's new record.... it's far more entertaining. Joke TV.
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Post by: Mobius on October 12, 2019, 02:34:15 AM
Seriously who thought Stephanie McMahon coming out every 20 mins was a good idea. Like how is that remotely entertaining.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 02:38:56 AM
...and I like Beth Phoenix.But christ.. who decided to over expose this panel on the second show they have on the biggest TV deal they ever had? They are averagely talented people but surely the majority of casual viewers turned off hours ago
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 12, 2019, 02:48:39 AM
Bayley chopping down the tube men the only good part of this Smackdown.


EDIT: And that. Get in. Fuck off Charlotte. (I actually like Charlotte, but she’s had plenty of title runs already.) Although this is probably just to get Charlotte to 16 titles quicker isn’t it?
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 03:01:11 AM
Yawn.Bayley winning the championship to boos and thumbs down against a tween Charlotte. Fuck sake's. Was it just me or was that an awful show? The wrestlers busting their arses but stories make no fucking sense. Waste of my time.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 12, 2019, 03:06:57 AM
It was a terrible show yeah, but the Bayley story makes sense. She’s been slowly going heel since Sasha returned and the loss to Charlotte at HIAC is what finally pushed her over the edge. I dig the new look.

But yeah, as a whole, terrible. You’d be gutted if you were there live. They didn’t even have the wrestlers reacting to the picks... just a bunch of movie extras acting as network execs.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 10:05:58 AM
It was a terrible show yeah, but the Bayley story makes sense. She’s been slowly going heel since Sasha returned and the loss to Charlotte at HIAC is what finally pushed her over the edge. I dig the new look.

But yeah, as a whole, terrible. You’d be gutted if you were there live. They didn’t even have the wrestlers reacting to the picks... just a bunch of movie extras acting as network execs.

Heel Bayley is cool and I approve but not against Charlotte who we have no idea whether we are supposed to like or not. But yeah, heel Bayley is good and I like her new hair.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 12, 2019, 12:45:18 PM
Bayley chopping down the tube men did not go down well with the kids: https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1182834916343435266
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Post by: peanutbutter on October 12, 2019, 12:55:19 PM
My girlfriend hates pretty much everything I like including all of pro wrestling (she did like the Sendai Girls show live TBF) and we just had a "date night" where we watched The Apprentice (bored), Drag Race (bored) and then NWA. She is pissed but she piped up immediately with the retro style and the promos as I suspect is more than happy to watch more episodes.

I'm not exagerating but I genuinely think the NWA show is the best wrestling show I've seen for years. I absolutely adore it.

Personally, I agree with Meltzer that the AEW show was bookended by awesome stuff but I thought the middle 40 mins was shite. Like the first episode, in a 2 hour show there was a 40 min dead slot which is worryingly poor. The Private Party match was INCREDIBLE, Jericho's promo was INCREDIBLE and the last 20 mins was very good. But it's far from a perfect show. On balance, it's 8/10 and I love it but if AEW going to be WHAT THE FANS WANT then this fan, i.e. me,  doesn't dig these storyline tags, like the women's match.
Isn't there basically always though? A hot 2 hours basically never happens, unless you've a story running through the episode, and even then it's gonna have lulls.


Was that Austin Idol ad in the NWA show a real ad?
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 12, 2019, 01:07:28 PM
Personally, I agree with Meltzer that the AEW show was bookended by awesome stuff but I thought the middle 40 mins was shite.

Minor quibble as the main thrust of your point (that midcard is death) is top, but on the review WOR I heard he didn't come close to saying that part of AEW was shite. He said basically the start and end were so tremendous, and it definitely fell off, but I didn't take that as a negative impression at all, just less positive

Can't bring myself to watch Smackdown. Saw the draft picks and they're either underwhelming or undoing the last one.... Not convinced it means anything, and they filled the wildcard category with jobbers.

AEW was a good watch. Jericho is the best at promos for my money.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 12, 2019, 01:19:33 PM
Apparently WWE spoiled the results of its own draft. The list they posted earlier in the day of who is available to be drafted was posted in the exact order they were picked on Smackdown.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 12, 2019, 03:21:28 PM
a live burial

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGo2-otXkAA4I3O?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: Deanjam on October 12, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
A neat encapsulation of everything I hate about WWE and Vince McMahon. Gable is an olympic wrestler and one of the most talented members of the roster. Great in the ring and actually has personality. But all Vince can do is make fun of his height. And he's not even the shortest member of the roster.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 12, 2019, 04:06:44 PM
Also -

(https://i.ibb.co/71Rcycw/Screenshot-2019-10-12-Bryan-Alvarez-on-Twitter-Can-we-talk-about-the-unbridled-stupidity-of-WWE-announcing-that-a-team-coun.png)

Glad I forgot about Smackdown last night. Sounded terrible.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 12, 2019, 04:48:50 PM
That was after they realised they fucked up and were announcing the picks in order of the published list on WWE.com, so started throwing in last minute changes. So instead of drafting Bliss & Cross together like they were on the list, they split them up... making themselves look even stupider.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 12, 2019, 05:14:00 PM
”Shorty Ishii”

Imagine.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 13, 2019, 03:08:56 AM
Ouch.

(https://i.ibb.co/Kw2rqP4/Screenshot-2019-10-13-WWE-Smack-Down-ratings-down-25-percent-from-FOX-premiere.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 13, 2019, 08:42:19 AM
they were, I suppose, artificially high at a near 4.0 rating.

that said i have a theory that NXT on Wednesday being a good show but a loser along with 3hr sad Raw B show and meaningless hotshotting on Smackdown for ratings is going show the world that they suck a whole lot quicker.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 13, 2019, 09:41:36 AM
”Shorty Ishii”

Imagine.

It's too cruel a thought to imagine any of my NJPW faves in WWE. I thank God every day Ibushi didn't sign there after the Cruiserweight Classic. Imagine the last three years without Ibushi NJPW matches, replaced by him on 205 Live in the Tozawa role. Mortifying.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 13, 2019, 09:55:24 AM
Fatty Rhodes got off lucky with just polkadots
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 13, 2019, 11:54:01 AM
they were, I suppose, artificially high at a near 4.0 rating.

that said i have a theory that NXT on Wednesday being a good show but a loser along with 3hr sad Raw B show and meaningless hotshotting on Smackdown for ratings is going show the world that they suck a whole lot quicker.
It really doesn't help that it's all coinciding with a Saudi event too. You get levels of hotshotting that cannot come close to being matched in a normal month, all being done with fuck all enthusiasm from everyone involved.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 13, 2019, 12:30:56 PM
Minor quibble as the main thrust of your point (that midcard is death) is top, but on the review WOR I heard he didn't come close to saying that part of AEW was shite. He said basically the start and end were so tremendous, and it definitely fell off, but I didn't take that as a negative impression at all, just less positive

Can't bring myself to watch Smackdown. Saw the draft picks and they're either underwhelming or undoing the last one.... Not convinced it means anything, and they filled the wildcard category with jobbers.

AEW was a good watch. Jericho is the best at promos for my money.

Sorry. My point was I usually agree with Meltzer but on AEW I disagree. The middle of the show was crap and not fine, the Bucks losing to Private Party was cool and Kenny Omega going on a losing streak is just fine. An AEW show with The Elite on top would be unbearable right now. Putting the push on everyone else is exactly the right thing to do. If new audiences don't know them then it makes no difference either way.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 13, 2019, 12:33:18 PM
Anyone got the hourlies for SMACKDOWN. If I wasn't pissed (I am going to end up watching SMACKDOWN every week, mortal, in my kitchen, listening to Taylor Swift) I would have turned it off. It was such a dreadful show. I'm not arsed about trends and demographics and networks; it was basic stuff. It was a dreadful show and I guess most people just turned it off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 13, 2019, 12:44:00 PM
They had close to 4 million for last week's Smackdown though, so it was always going to have quite a drop. It was still near 3 million and therefore a million more viewers than they were getting on USA. I don't think Fox will be panicking just yet.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 13, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
They had close to 4 million for last week's Smackdown though, so it was always going to have quite a drop. It was still near 3 million and therefore a million more viewers than they were getting on USA. I don't think Fox will be panicking just yet.

Agreed. But the broader point is this is their chance for a fresh start and the show was utter rubbish. I liked last week's debut more than most. They are killing themselves with shit TV shows and the it feels to me that the fans who haven't abandoned them for Saudi on moral stand are now resenting that deal anyway.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 13, 2019, 01:24:28 PM
Yeah they can change the set and hire a couple of real fighters and they'll get these defibrillators to the chest of Saudi and FOX cash but the fact is that their creative - and even worse, imo - their corporatist feel make this company feel like the coldest shit ever taken. Again, no real quibbles with the roster, it is not their fault their paymasters actively make them look like jerks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 13, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
Anyone got the hourlies for SMACKDOWN. If I wasn't pissed (I am going to end up watching SMACKDOWN every week, mortal, in my kitchen, listening to Taylor Swift) I would have turned it off. It was such a dreadful show. I'm not arsed about trends and demographics and networks; it was basic stuff. It was a dreadful show and I guess most people just turned it off.

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Last night's SmackDown averaged 2.898 million viewers in the overnight ratings, down 25 percent from last Friday's FOX premiere.

The episode was night one of this year's WWE Draft.

In the key 18-49 demo, SmackDown averaged a 0.95 rating, down from 1.35 last week.

The only demo where SmackDown didn't fall was in persons 50+. The show averaged a 3 rating in that demo both weeks.

In comparison to the other networks, FOX trailed both CBS and NBC but beat ABC in terms of total viewers. SmackDown did finish first in the 18-34 and 18-49 demos.

The first hour of SmackDown averaged 2.925 million viewers, with hour two doing 2.872 million viewers. The drop from the first to second hour was only two percent, a much better audience retention than Raw usually has over the course of its show.

Last week's SmackDown dropped three percent from in the second hour, but with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson appearing in the opening segment, it would've been expected to drop more.

Final numbers will not be available until Tuesday afternoon but should end up relatively close to this. Last week, the final viewership was up 14,000 from the overnights, a change of just 0.3 percent.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 13, 2019, 10:04:49 PM


Cheers. I was just intrigued with how many people started watching it and turned off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 14, 2019, 09:31:36 PM
I'm not remotely in tune with the world of gaming, but the new WWE game looks atrocious. Is this where graphics are in 2019? Also the dialogue in this cut scene is completely laughable https://twitter.com/smarktodeath/status/1183795085571436544

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 14, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
I'm not remotely in tune with the world of gaming, but the new WWE game looks atrocious. Is this where graphics are in 2019?

(https://i.imgur.com/fhv6JoZ.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 14, 2019, 09:42:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGjqSH_U4AEMaz7?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 14, 2019, 09:44:24 PM
I see that and raise you zombies

(https://i.imgur.com/3Sq9tBP.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 14, 2019, 09:47:14 PM
The WWE 2K series is one of the few games where it looks worse with every passing year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 14, 2019, 10:10:05 PM
I almost had fun with last year's as I basically just made insane elimination matches (8-man elimination matches! Rock vs Taker vs Punk vs Stone Cold vs Bruiser Brody vs Brock vs Cena vs Tyler Breeze) but the debuff thing (not being able to do moves after getting a reversal blocked) was asinine and nothing like real wrestling or even WWE. Kept making me think of a quote from Valve about Half Life: "taking away control from the player is bad". Just an excuse to not work on AI

From that Zombie screenshot it still has a reversal "meter" (you can turn off) but the torso on the right having a plus makes me think this bullshit forced-to-sit-out thing is probably still there. Was almost fun otherwise, I just made ECW and had Bruiser Brody going mental

Of course, once you twig that Irish Whips on the ai are unblockable and they can be performed quicker than anything else, it's ridiculously easy. The AI in these games: CPU goes forward and attacks

In these beloved multi man matches I set up, if I attacked two different wrestlers they'd both target me and follow me around the arena. I have my old PS3 set up and the vastly superior WWE 2k14 doesn't even do that. AI? SchmAI
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 14, 2019, 11:37:37 PM
Suzuki Liger was awesome. That is all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 15, 2019, 01:45:23 AM
Mike Bennett has asked for his release mere months after signing a 5 year deal. I have sympathy for how he’s used but, dude...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 15, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
Suzuki Liger was awesome. That is all.

Just watched it. Brilliant. Pure babyface vs. heel perfection. Won’t be Match Of The Year or anything but will be a match I remember for a long time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on October 15, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
I almost had fun with last year's as I basically just made insane elimination matches (8-man elimination matches! Rock vs Taker vs Punk vs Stone Cold vs Bruiser Brody vs Brock vs Cena vs Tyler Breeze) but the debuff thing (not being able to do moves after getting a reversal blocked) was asinine and nothing like real wrestling or even WWE. Kept making me think of a quote from Valve about Half Life: "taking away control from the player is bad". Just an excuse to not work on AI

From that Zombie screenshot it still has a reversal "meter" (you can turn off) but the torso on the right having a plus makes me think this bullshit forced-to-sit-out thing is probably still there. Was almost fun otherwise, I just made ECW and had Bruiser Brody going mental

Of course, once you twig that Irish Whips on the ai are unblockable and they can be performed quicker than anything else, it's ridiculously easy. The AI in these games: CPU goes forward and attacks

In these beloved multi man matches I set up, if I attacked two different wrestlers they'd both target me and follow me around the arena. I have my old PS3 set up and the vastly superior WWE 2k14 doesn't even do that. AI? SchmAI

I really enjoyed 2k14, especially the Wrestlemania Showcase mode with those brilliant hype packages.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 15, 2019, 12:02:22 PM
Jesus, this ELP vs. Ospreay match...

Been a few months since I’ve done New Japan... seems I forgot it is leagues above.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 15, 2019, 12:17:47 PM
I really enjoyed 2k14, especially the Wrestlemania Showcase mode with those brilliant hype packages.

Yep, was great. Still holds up. What's annoying is it has some smoother animations than 19?? How? They introduced more glitches! AI is not worse, either. You get proper matches, varied, whereas in 19 its almost always the same match (and as I said you can cheese it with Irish whips).

Great roster, great gameplay, no stupid "take the control away from the player" bits. I like the selling, eg, instead of forcing you to not be able to reverse for ten seconds, you sell leg damage by not being able to run, arms means less damage dealt, etc.

So 2K20 is looking... Shit. Who uses Big Head mode more than once? Gimmicks like that and Tower modes... Sigh, work on the gameplay.

There's a few match videos on IGN and the like. I hope to god that reversal debuff is gone. A wrestling game punishing you for doing grapples.. Wtf. It's like they took Fire Pro's idea (you can't just hit a strong grapple off the bat) but decided to also punish you.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 15, 2019, 12:22:13 PM
ELP-Ospreay was a BIT overblown I thought. They need to settle down and watch some UWF.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 15, 2019, 12:27:17 PM
ELP-Ospreay was a BIT overblown I thought. They need to settle down and watch some UWF.

Yeah, just finished the match. Should've ended 5 minutes earlier. Can't fault them, really, as it was still amazing but I think they were trying for Match Of The Decade when a mere Match of the Year contender would have sufficed. After that and the Suzuki match I don't actually have the energy for Evil/Ibushi and Okada/Sanada tonight. Going to do those along with AEW Dark (reports are the Omega/Janela match is insane) tomorrow morn.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 15, 2019, 12:29:45 PM
Did wrestling psychology used to be better in the days before overblown super moves that blow your mind when they do them?

I mean, getting up from some of this shit..
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 15, 2019, 12:31:13 PM
Raw was terrible. Why would they get rid of the best part of the show?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 15, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
Did wrestling psychology used to be better in the days before overblown super moves that blow your mind when they do them?

I mean, getting up from some of this shit..

I'm happy to pick-and-choose. I enjoy a psychology based Suzuki or Sabre match a lot but I also love Ospreay and Omega-like fucken maniac move-fests. At the end of the day, if I wanted to watch a real fight I'd a) be a cunt and b) watch MMA or boxing. I watch wrestling for the pageantry and the fake violence and the thrill. Love me all varieties, believable, unbelievable and full-on parody. Bring it all on. Just don't be shit, like WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 15, 2019, 12:42:25 PM
Meltzer teasing a major announcement in Japan this week. And apparently others are saying WWE also have a big announcement in Japan on October 18th?

What if WWE and NJPW are doing a joint show? The IWGP tag titles were mentioned on Raw last night after all, haha.

EDIT: It's probably NXT Japan isn't it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 15, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
Wrestling has generally, at any given time, had a few workers who exhibit great ring psychology, a lot who are okay, and some who just don't get it but have other skills. Terry Funk was an absolute master of it, and so is Hiroshi Tanahashi.

Ospreay is getting there. People buy into his matches as more than a compendium of moves. I understand he really wants to help ELP get over, as well as having his own reasons for wanting to have match of the night every night.

But if you watch something like UWF or any of the quality stuff before flips became acceptable, the top guys just get certain movements and facial expressions more over than their actual 'stuff'.

In 65 seconds of this match - before they even get into it, really - you know what Terry Funk's personality is, what the skill difference between the two wrestlers is (in kayfabe), and who the hell you're meant to be on the side of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HitHAHRTmcU
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 15, 2019, 02:03:26 PM
Raw was terrible. Why would they get rid of the best part of the show?

Starting to think Paul Heyman might be secretly working for AEW.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 15, 2019, 02:22:46 PM
That's twice they've done the babyface commits arson against Bray, because it ended so well last time. :/

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 15, 2019, 07:25:33 PM
Bischoff is out from WWE already. Bruce Prichard is taking on his role.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 15, 2019, 08:14:33 PM
Bischoff is out from WWE already. Bruce Prichard is taking on his role.

Yeah, wtf. What did Eric actually DO on Smackdown though? Figurehead role, don't think he had fingerprints on the show like Heyman did on Raw

Shrug. Won't make a difference. Pritchard is a Vince yes man anyway
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Golden E. Pump on October 15, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
Mike Kanellis has walked, too. Interestingly Maria hasn't.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 15, 2019, 08:37:23 PM
Shorty Gable needs to leave

Like, yesterday
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 15, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
Mike Kanellis has walked, too. Interestingly Maria hasn't.
Sounds like he's basically leaving to save his marriage because WWE have made him so miserable that it was actively harming his personal life. They were basically publicly humiliating him because his wife got pregnant so soon after signing a new contract, like.

They do seem to be on a new run of being absolute cunts of late, the Shorty Gable stuff would surely put talent off from joining them at all. Guys like Tyler Bate and Pete Dunne must have one eye on a move to Japan whenever their contracts are up too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 15, 2019, 09:47:57 PM
Pete Dunne? Not a chance. Sniveling little suck up.

So what's the plan for Bray Wyatt going forth? No Firefly Fun House, just The Fiend?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Golden E. Pump on October 15, 2019, 10:36:18 PM
They don't have a plan do they? He'll get put in a feud with Roman Reigns and lose.

Stop it. Stop it. It's already dead.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 15, 2019, 11:36:09 PM
So what do we think these big announcements are from Japan? WWE NXT Japan and performance centre/jojo lead by Meiko Satomura I reckon is pretty nailed on and I reckon is pretty much doomed to fail. They could sweep up some decent Joshi talent but AEW are already over it and anyone who watches even a bit of Joshi realises that 99% of the matches the women have out their are better than what they do on WWE (or anywhere else).

NOAH has the link with MLW, I can't see NJPW forming links with anyone other than ROH, DDT has Kenny links so maybe, maybe and All-Japan link with WWE in Progress type of relationship

The NJPW announcement is more intriguing. I can't work out what it might be that is so monumental. Surely not a retirement as that would take focus from Liger. MMM...?

Could it be NJPW working with/ establishing a women's promotion? I can't really see where it fits and would be better if they want to have Joshi to work with existing group. Starrdom seems to be leaning towards WWE or AEW, DDT /TJPW is AEW and Sendai is WWE. The rest of them like Gatoh Move and Ice Ribbon are all much smaller organisations to can't really see why they would bother.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 15, 2019, 11:49:44 PM
Imagine if ZSJ and Ibushi had signed on after the Cruserweight Classic...

Yeh not sure why they had Seth go into the Firefly Funhouse. So it's a physical place? That Bray sets up at every arena they go to?

The Saudi show looks appalling.

Fury Vs Strowman. No way Fury is taking a loss or any bumps is there? Strowman can't carry a match.

Lesnar Vs Valasquez - someone who doesn't give a shit Vs someone who's had 2 pro-wrestling matches. 2 people who've had a real fight, having a fake fight.

Fiend Vs Rollins - the mark Saudis probably won't boo it.. which is why they're doing it there.

Team Flair Vs Team Hogan - just an assortment of wrestlers with no relationship with either guys.

Cesaro Vs Mansoor - Hmm wonder who wins this one in Saudi Arabia.

a 'Tag Team Turmoil Match' to determine the best tag team in the world ... The New Day VS The Viking Raiders VS Heavy Machinery VS Lucha House Party VS Ryder & Hawkins VS The Revival VS The O.C VS Ziggler & Roode VS The B Team

Dont know why I care. Just can't look away from the shitshow that is WWE. God those Lana/Lashley segments from Raw...

Oh well NWA Power and AEW Dark today free on Youtube today :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 15, 2019, 11:59:12 PM
So what do we think these big announcements are from Japan?

Maybe something related to Hiromu Takahashi? It's been a while since anything was said.

Lesnar Vs Valasquez - someone who doesn't give a shit Vs someone who's had 2 pro-wrestling matches. 2 people who've had a real fight, having a fake fight.


I don't think Lesnar doesn't give a shit. He just want the best deal he can have and work as little as possible for the most money. Which is what we all want, right? He usually delivers in the ring. The Ambrose martch at Mania was the only time I think he didn't put the work in and that was when it looked like he was through with WWE.

But yes, the Saudi show looks appaling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 16, 2019, 06:33:47 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/fGzJmJd/Screenshot-2019-10-16-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 16, 2019, 09:48:11 AM
look up Bryan's recent rant on youtube, it's a classic
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 16, 2019, 09:48:34 AM
The draft has been a total waste of screen time, but it's all been worth it for Bryan's meltdowns.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 16, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
According to Meltzer, WWE tried to buy Pro Wrestling NOAH as a launching pad for its NXT Japan brand. NOAH turned them down.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 16, 2019, 12:49:21 PM
That was the big news they'd been teasing? WWE tried to buy something?

Please don't do NXT Japan. They fucked the UK wrestling scene just to create a brand that's boring as fuck.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 16, 2019, 01:19:01 PM
No, I think the big news is meant to be Friday.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 16, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
WWE don't get Japan. UK fans will eat their spoonfed slop, and I know WWE will try and prise away a big name like Sayama or Fujinami to be the figurehead, but that's not what will move the Japanese audience and that's before we get to talent not wanting to go there.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: letsgobrian on October 16, 2019, 02:48:57 PM
So what do we think these big announcements are from Japan? WWE NXT Japan and performance centre/jojo lead by Meiko Satomura I reckon is pretty nailed on and I reckon is pretty much doomed to fail. They could sweep up some decent Joshi talent but AEW are already over it and anyone who watches even a bit of Joshi realises that 99% of the matches the women have out their are better than what they do on WWE (or anywhere else).

NOAH has the link with MLW, I can't see NJPW forming links with anyone other than ROH, DDT has Kenny links so maybe, maybe and All-Japan link with WWE in Progress type of relationship

The NJPW announcement is more intriguing. I can't work out what it might be that is so monumental. Surely not a retirement as that would take focus from Liger. MMM...?

Could it be NJPW working with/ establishing a women's promotion? I can't really see where it fits and would be better if they want to have Joshi to work with existing group. Starrdom seems to be leaning towards WWE or AEW, DDT /TJPW is AEW and Sendai is WWE. The rest of them like Gatoh Move and Ice Ribbon are all much smaller organisations to can't really see why they would bother.

The speculation going around since executives & RPG3K were seen at a show in Feb has been Bushiroad taking control of Stardom.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 16, 2019, 04:42:27 PM
the announcement must related to Jan 5th somehow, they did not book a whole extra Dome Show just to kill their draw on the big one.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 16, 2019, 09:32:52 PM
It seems the announcement is expected to be NJPW buying Stardom. Metlzer is saying the news will be out 1am EST.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 16, 2019, 09:57:21 PM
It seems the announcement is expected to be NJPW buying Stardom. Metlzer is saying the news will be out 1am EST.

Interesting. Quite a lot of variables to consider if that is true. Starrdom has made itself a bit unpopular with some of the hardcore Joshi lot recently (at least the non-Japanese fanbase) with everything from "pinching" talent from other companies, to their contiuned push of Bea Priestly over Japanese women and accusations Rossy Ogawa is a bit of a creep.

I will be interesting to see how this all fits together as Starrdom business is up this year by a measurable amount (though they are still relatively small - few hundred at shows) but they have reached out and looked to be making links with WWE and AEW with talent transfers.

Be interesting to see how much of this is behind the scenes business and how much of this will be seen in shows. Will Starrdom be incorporated into NJPW? Will we see Joshi matches at the big NJPW shows?

To me this feels like a power move from NJPW to block the US companies having a clear run at the Joshi talent as much as anything else.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 16, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
I think it's a very smart move from New Japan if it's about stopping WWE's takeover.

Looking forward to tonight's Dynamite, but sadly it's rumoured that Luchasaurus is injured, so Marko Stunt is teaming with Jungle Boy instead.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 16, 2019, 11:38:43 PM
Yeah that sucks a bit for Luchasaurus. Really the Lucha Bros should be winning that in like a few minutes, no offence to Marko Stunt but come on. Jurassic Express probably weren't winning the tourney anyway, so not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 16, 2019, 11:55:30 PM
Yeah, just a shame for Luchasaurus, who I'd say has been one of the breakout stars of AEW so far and was about to get his first chance in front of the TV audience. Hopefully he's not out too long.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 17, 2019, 12:48:06 AM
Colour me fairly unimpressed with AEW Dark. Matches were fine. Yes the Kenny Janela match was mental but it felt too slow and part of the charm of the crazy GCW style hardcore or death match main event is that it’s something the fanboy crowds are salivating for all night. I get how it fits into Kenny storyline but like pretty much everything on AEW so far, for me it’s a solid 3 stars no more (Riho Nyla aside) but rarely less.

In fact almost all the best AEW stuff so far has been promos or bits (Darby Allin’s skating, the Coffee table DDT).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 17, 2019, 01:04:46 AM
Yeah wasn't the greatest AEW Dark. But it's free I suppose.

Peter Avalon sucks. Kip Sabian is boring. Sonny Kiss needs a lot of in-ring work still.

Kenny Vs Janela definitely dragged, but man was there some gnarly looking bumps. Kenny's being weird in the ring, not sure I like his crowd interactions. Suppose he's working up a new gimmick/character though.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 17, 2019, 01:38:29 AM
This show is really good though. They are so slick. There have been a couple of odd bits (the end the SCU match was a bit botched and Ortiz screaming over Jericho promo was funny) but the overal production is so good and easy to watch. The Cody video packages are amazing (let's have so for the other please).

Christ Riho is OVER!!!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 17, 2019, 01:56:58 AM
Riho's popularity really highlights how much WWE have fucked up their Joshis
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Osmium on October 17, 2019, 03:27:26 AM
https://twitter.com/bushi_PR/status/1184652817203482624

Bushiroad has bought Stardom
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 17, 2019, 06:27:07 AM
Sadly this doesn't mean we'll be getting Stardom on NJPW world.


NJPW parent company Bushiroad acquires Stardom
By Dave Meltzer | @davemeltzerWON | Oct 16, 2019 10:02 pm
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World Wonder Ring Stardom, the Japanese women's pro wrestling company best known as Stardom, has been sold to Kix Road, a subsidiary of Bushiroad, in a deal announced Thursday afternoon in Japan.

The story is likely to be misinterpreted as either New Japan buying Stardom, a merger between the two groups, or that New Japan will start using women wrestlers on their shows. None of this would be accurate.

But what is accurate is New Japan and Stardom would both be owned by the same parent company, but they are being run and kept completely separate. Stardom will be under the umbrella of Kix Road, which is the parent company of Knock Out, the Bushiroad kickboxing company.

As part of the deal, Kix Road, on December 1, Kix Road Co,. Ltd will have its name changed to Bushiroad Fight Co, Ltd. There are no plans for any interaction between Knock out and Stardom.

Hiroshi "Rossy" Ogawa will remain CEO of the women's wrestling promotion, which will main using the name Stardom, but World Wonder Ring Stardom will no longer exist as a company.

There will be people at Bushiroad joining Stardom to work in the front office but the Stardom staff will stay in place.

Bushiroad's role will be attempting through advertising and television to build the popularity of the brand, similar to how the resurgence of New Japan Pro Wrestling was built.

As part of the deal, a TV show will air on BS NTV and Tokyo MX starting in January, with the BS NTV show being a 30 minute show on Thursdays.

The streaming service Stardom World will remain the exclusive for Stardom events. New Japan World will not be streaming Stardom, and with New Japan World part-owned by TV-Asahi and the Stardom TV deal with rival NTV, politically that would be almost impossible to work out.

There are no plans at present for Stardom talent to appear on New Japan shows, or vice versa. However, if New Japan does see a demand for women's matches on foreign shows, where there is no sign of any at this point, this will give them easier access to broker a deal for such talent.

Bushiroad will begin marketing Stardom in January with more advertising in wrestling magazines, on billboards and on television, and will be marketed as part of the Bushiroad family.

As an example, on December 7 and December 8, Stardom talent will participate in CharaExpo 2019 at the Anaheim Convention Center, with a main event of Mayu Iwatani & Tam Nakano vs.Samie Sakai & Nicole Savoy.

The Stardom talent will also be signed to full-time contracts.

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Post by: Mobius on October 17, 2019, 08:53:03 AM
Pretty boring announcement tbh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 17, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
yeah I don't get moved by i. drafts and ii. changes in ownership. Bushiroad's ownership certainly helped NJPW's reach but their solid creative dates back to the Yuke's ownership days.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 17, 2019, 12:13:05 PM
The news there is that apparently WWE made an offer to buy Stardom too, but they went with Bushiroad. Seems like WWE is going to have a very tough time breaking into the Japanese market.

Loved Dynamite again last night. It's just such a fun show that flies by. There are a still a couple of flaws that need ironing out, but in terms of putting out an entertaining 2-hour show, they've nailed it every week for me so far. Even Marko Stunt won me over.
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Post by: sevendaughters on October 17, 2019, 12:16:20 PM
Dave reckons the Japanese fans want mainstream WWE and beyond that they will struggle to break in, which is as I suspected. Reckons they'd have more chance breaking into Mexico, which is also incredibly parochial.

Now OWE are out of China they could really take a crack there. It makes sense, and they also have no compunction about sating bloodthirsty creeps.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 17, 2019, 12:21:10 PM
This photo of Stardom's roster in suits is pretty cool...

(https://i.imgur.com/uMhJvmc.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 17, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
It is quite big news. As discussed above it gives Japanese women the option of not having to go to WWE for money (though how it affects Riho and the Starrdom women’s links to AEW is an interesting aside).

The bigger issue will actually be downwards where Starrdom might sweep up the best of lies of TJPW. One way of stopping that would be AEW signing an exclusive with DDT/TJPW but then how might that affect NJPW willingness to use Jericho and Omega.

I love a bit of wrestling industry chatter.

AEW was very good. I actually found the Omega/Moxley/PAC/Hangman stuff the least interesting. If you are waiting for ITV thread you really need to find the bit on FITE where they cut to an ad, LBs just chop shit out of Marco then pentagon one-arm gorilla presses then just lanches him. I died laughing.

Oh and Riho is so fucking good and so fucking over. Britt Baker is shit and personality vacuum and that was still a 7/10 match that had crowd popping gig. I cheered at the finish and I was watching it under the covers.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 17, 2019, 05:06:26 PM
Omega & Hangman v Moxley & PAC was my favourite match. This to me felt like the first time Omega was OMEGA in AEW.

Oh, and one of the weaknesses of AEW so far has been the entrance music, but Santana and Ortiz's new music is a banger. And Darby's is growing on me too.
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Post by: peanutbutter on October 17, 2019, 06:14:20 PM
Now OWE are out of China they could really take a crack there. It makes sense, and they also have no compunction about sating bloodthirsty creeps.
I'm picturing a heel duo of a Hong Kong protestor and an Uyghur muslim
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Post by: Deanjam on October 17, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
From the Observer.

(https://i.ibb.co/HVxfCRn/Screenshot-2019-10-17-AEW-NXT-ratings-both-down-again-AEW-wins-third-straight-week.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 17, 2019, 09:54:59 PM
You'd think WWE would do more to promote NXT on Raw and Smackdown.

Otherwise, I still don't think either of those ratings are too bad. Wrestling just isn't that popular with a casual audience and these are technically both "new" shows. If they settle at these figures that'll be good... though if they continue to drop week to week, then they should probably worry. But given AEW's target a couple months back was what, 500k? They must be very pleased doing over a million.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 17, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Agreed. The idea of a Wednesday night war with lots of good wrestling to watch (I’ve definitely settled on a AEW and lost interest in NXT like I did with NXT UK - will almost certainly still watch Takeovers mind) seemed fun. The talent get a bit of leverage, people can find their thing... everyone happy?

But in a social media age all the negativity and insults on-line is just soul destroying. The War shouldn’t be about ratings it’s should be about how good the shows are. Both shows are good and that should be enough. I mentioned earlier up the thread how my London wrestling trip was slightly soured by the proximity to one-to-many dickhead fans (and thousands of lovely ones) but the and/or  anti-Meltzer, anti-AEW, quote-Tweet-Cornette pricks on-Line are sneaking through the algorithms.

So frustrating. I’m gonna watch NWA before bed to cheer myself up.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 17, 2019, 11:32:19 PM
I think AEW are doing a good job slowly building stuff out and establishing things. What they're missing out on right now is a real strong angle running through the show, but I think they need to establish the roster first.


Jericho as champ really works for me so far, wouldn't at all with his WWE theme but he's done an amazing job repositioning himself in the last two years or so.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 17, 2019, 11:48:15 PM
God I love the NWA Powerrr show. It's obviously all about the promos but I am more invested in this that pretty much everything else in wrestling. Ricky Starks doing his best The Rock promo is so impressive in the sense that my initial thought was "oh he is doing The Rock" and then "oh he is doing quite a good The Rock and The Rock is arguably a top 3 all time promo".

Love it.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 18, 2019, 08:11:20 AM
God I love the NWA Powerrr show. It's obviously all about the promos but I am more invested in this that pretty much everything else in wrestling. Ricky Starks doing his best The Rock promo is so impressive in the sense that my initial thought was "oh he is doing The Rock" and then "oh he is doing quite a good The Rock and The Rock is arguably a top 3 all time promo".

Love it.

Me too, even the link between episodes 1 and 2 gave great continuity, something missing in other American promotions. It's the mix of old school with great modern production which makes it a good watch. It's exciting in the same way the first couple of series of Lucha Underground were.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 18, 2019, 08:27:19 PM
Pretty brutal statement from a WWE Official on Bischoff’s firing:

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“Eric had absolutely no vision, and once we were headed into FOX, everything was falling through the cracks,” said one WWE official. “He messed up multiple times with FOX. Eric also had no stamina for the rigors of the job.”
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 18, 2019, 08:36:58 PM
Pretty brutal statement from a WWE Official on Bischoff’s firing:

Meltzer goes on to say:

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The stamina for the job was going to be a problem for almost everyone. Bischoff, 64, was in a company where it is not unusual for Vince McMahon’s creative meetings to start hours late and often last until 3 a.m., and sometimes later.

Don't entirely blame Eric for not fitting into that utter insanity (though surely everyone saw this coming)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 18, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
Eric has nothing to offer a modern wrestling company. But let's be honest, WWE (Vince) aren't interested in anyone with real vision. They want yes men to blame when the ratings keep going down. Even Heyman's Raw is pretty shit.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 18, 2019, 08:51:36 PM
Eric has nothing to offer a modern wrestling company. But let's be honest, WWE (Vince) aren't interested in anyone with real vision. They want yes men to blame when the ratings keep going down.

(https://i.imgur.com/DDfG3Ae.png)
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 18, 2019, 09:02:19 PM
Meltzer goes on to say:

Don't entirely blame Eric for not fitting into that utter insanity (though surely everyone saw this coming)


Meltzer is fucking loving "defending" Bischoff over all this. He has the one-up on Bischoff and Bischoff for once has no comeback (even the bullshit lies he normally comes up with) so Dave just saying it was an impossible job and "it was never going to work" is such passive aggresive holding-himself-back fun. Him and Alvarez are loving this.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 18, 2019, 09:14:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DDfG3Ae.png)

I LOVE YOUUUUUUU ... 'RE FIIIIIIRED!
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 18, 2019, 09:40:18 PM

Meltzer is fucking loving "defending" Bischoff over all this. He has the one-up on Bischoff and Bischoff for once has no comeback (even the bullshit lies he normally comes up with) so Dave just saying it was an impossible job and "it was never going to work" is such passive aggresive holding-himself-back fun. Him and Alvarez are loving this.

Well, the following paragraphs he doesn't hold back:

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The other reality is that Bischoff’s success with WCW, which was actually relatively short-lived, was largely due to people like Hulk Hogan and Zane Bresloff, who were not there for him this time, and Hogan was in TNA and that period didn’t go well either. And both were there for him in WCW, and that place eventually went down the tubes due to the company running off its fans at record-setting levels.

Bischoff had worked for TNA in the interim and there were no fond memories from anyone in that company regarding his tenure. Privately, a number of people who had interacted with him during those days that are now working for WWE were completely stunned by the move and predicted failure


So it's aggressive as well as passive-aggressive! :)
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Post by: Deanjam on October 18, 2019, 09:50:19 PM
This made me chuckle.

(https://i.ibb.co/rF0T3Qz/Screenshot-2019-10-18-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 18, 2019, 09:53:30 PM
I BET HE IS THE CLART BASTARD
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 19, 2019, 01:33:12 AM
As predicted I am drunk and watching Smackdown. It is fine so far. Feels like normal Smackdown. That is not as bad as what happened last week. They think "SHORTY" is an anti-bullying face. It's a dreadful idea but he making it work at least. He is way better than this but it at least makes sense...

"Shorty G". Urgh. Christ. Yes it is fine. let's not exagerate but fucking hell.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on October 19, 2019, 01:53:27 AM
Christ, it's not really Shorty G is it?

Shorty Gable is bad but G?????????????
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 19, 2019, 02:06:55 AM
I'll be honest, it might be because I'm drunk and don't have to worry about going to bed but I am really enjoying Smackdown. It's objectively a better show than last week but it's definitely no worse than AEW. It's funny. And fun.

I can shit-watch WWE all day if it is either shit, great or quite good. This show is quite good.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 19, 2019, 02:36:59 AM
And... as predicted it turns to shite. Whatever.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 19, 2019, 02:53:56 AM
I’ve found it boring as fuck so I wish I was drink
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 19, 2019, 03:08:39 AM
I’ve found it boring as fuck so I wish I was drink

Aye.It was just another Smackdown. Some good, some bad, some boring. They have made zero effort to supercharge their "product". It was fine. Fine. FINE. Fine is shite.
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Post by: Mobius on October 19, 2019, 04:39:42 AM
Yeah it's just boring, bland, generic. The commentators, the graphics, colours, just the whole style of Raw/Smackdown.. the endless recaps, adverts, catchphrases and buzzwords, social media references... it's horrible.

Not to mention the Saudi Arabia stuff. Mustafa Ali seems thrilled (https://twitter.com/AliWWE/status/1185354478662361089)
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Post by: Deanjam on October 19, 2019, 07:10:53 AM
"Cannot be stopped for any reason". Not even for a pinfall or submission?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHNHCTZUcAEaAOr?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: petrilTanaka on October 19, 2019, 09:55:06 AM
"Cannot be stopped for any reason". Not even for a pinfall or submission?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHNHCTZUcAEaAOr?format=jpg&name=small)

the match should never stop. that should just be all WWE content from now on. those two. the big long punch up
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Post by: kitsofan34 on October 19, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
OTT are celebrating their fifth year anniversary soon, in a show headlined by Jordan Devlin against David Starr.

Recently OTT released this video, scored by ominous, Joker esque music, as David Starr pointed out the brutal business logic of the WWE. Yet, if you ignore his slightly smug, arrogant tone, everything he says is correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNJFcYDXLE0

The same thing happened when Starr appeared at Progress. I find it truly bizarre that these companies continue to place the union loving, corporate hating leftie as the bad guy.

I love hearing Starr talk but he does continue to appear in these duplicitous promotions. Mark Fisher once spoke about how capitalism doesn't care if you critique it, it'll take that critique, aired within the confines of the capitalistic system, and profit from it. Then again Starr is in a difficult position when it comes to that, so I do have sympathy for him.
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Post by: peanutbutter on October 19, 2019, 11:32:18 AM
"Cannot be stopped for any reason". Not even for a pinfall or submission?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHNHCTZUcAEaAOr?format=jpg&name=small)
What better way to follow up the rushed a totally ridiculous Hell-in-a-Cell opening match than with an overlong slodge of a match in front of a crowd that couldn't give the remotest of shits.

I mean, odds were it was always going to fall apart once Bray had to actually do a match, but they've done him no favours at all have they.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 19, 2019, 01:33:19 PM
“And the match between Taste of Dunfermline Seth Rollins and Strathcarnage “The Fiend” Bray Wyatt cannot be stopped. Chris.”
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 19, 2019, 05:55:56 PM
"Like Kobe Bryant in a hotel in Colorado, this match is unstoppable!"
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 19, 2019, 09:55:16 PM
The David Lagana interview on WOR is fascinating. He breaks down the thinking behind the NWA show and in doing so touches on so many aspects of the mechanics of wrestling, TV and social media. It's a really interesting listen and he is a super smart guy.

For whoever it was that asked yes, the Austin Idol adverts are fake but they have put them in with the idea that real companies will want to advertise in that spot in similar style. That is clever. He reckons if it keeps going at the current level of interest they are likely to be able to continue running the show through YouTube.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 20, 2019, 01:43:07 AM
Well the girlfriend has lost interest so we watched that New Mexico Prison Riot doc instead but I'm still all in. It's so fucking good. James Storm and Ricky Stark's promos are top 5 promos of the year by far.

Waiting for the AAA show. I'm tired/drunk so won't make it till Kenny Fenix but will almost certainly pay the £5 on Twitch to watch it tomorrow.

God wrestling is great.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 20, 2019, 01:51:11 AM
Loved James Storm's promo. Not seeing the big deal with Ricky Starks' one though.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 20, 2019, 01:58:11 AM
Loved James Storm's promo. Not seeing the big deal with Ricky Starks' one though.

Fair enough. I don't disagree. The best thing about modern wrestling is there is so much of it and even within shows we can have our favourites. It's a refreshing change from you-know-where where everyone has to slip into their version of what a Superstar is. It's like the Riho/ Marco Stunt thing... the internet is losing their shit about them but the strength of AEW is you can love the bits you love. It's why that David Lagana interview is so interesting.... he pulls that apart and explains how NWA are onto it with the YouTube data.

I don't think Ricky Stark's is particularly great I just think that he has loads of potential and can imagine what a star he could become. I actually really loved the Aron Stevens promo as he was just fucking with us.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 20, 2019, 02:49:22 AM
It's free to watch if you watch it live. https://www.twitch.tv/luchalibreaaa £5 a month on catch up.
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Post by: Mobius on October 20, 2019, 03:09:07 AM
Aye been watching. Good fun.

Some nasty bumps, fuck me. Big Mami is ridiculous
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 20, 2019, 04:12:48 AM
It’s so much fun isn’t it? That lumberjack match was final straw as had absolutely no idea what was going on but even that was a laugh. I’m flagging so will probably crash before Kenny / Fenix but it’s has potential to be a crowd killer. Like local indies I watch you have all the shit matches that are hilarious  then main event guys try to put on a clinic and it’s fucking boring. Either that or they going all out to kill themselves.
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 20, 2019, 08:32:45 AM
Fell asleep but up for rugby. Looks like it is worth watching it back. :)
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 20, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Paid my £5 and just watched it back. What a belter that was! Always odd to watch an actual proper match on AAA but that was awesome. My best guess is this won’t be mentioned on AEW and it is perfectly doable to keep the two things separate (Mexican heel Kenny is great) but I this could be a feud for the ages.

One of problems AEW has is knowing how to book the characters. At the moment everyone feels a bit tweenery and I think that they might take the edge off some of characters. Take Pentagon. He is super popular at moment so they should be booking him as mega good guy face and not have these SCL cheap attacks. Then a year down the line when he turns he can become the evil fucker he was in Lucha Underground (for those who didn’t watch he had the arm breaking gimmick but was so evil and badass that he started getting cheered - so then he attacked Melissa Santos the ring announcer and ”broke her arm” to keep that heel heat strong - it was awesome - I think that happened anyway - I’m starting to doubt myself!)
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 21, 2019, 12:34:51 PM
NJPW officially announced a US brand.
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Post by: weekender on October 22, 2019, 10:43:03 PM
Is it just me who watched the end of Raw - which had Owens interfering - with a couple of black guys tag teaming as the 'Street Prophets' and they were a good tag team, but though right at the end the one black guy took a white baby away from its mother in the crowd and his black tag team partner was like "WHAAAT" and he just smiled as if to say "FACES!" and the white baby smiled, as did its mother.

I've not explained it well, and it's obviously planned, but what I think what I'm saying is "That's a great debut for a face tag team".
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Post by: hummingofevil on October 23, 2019, 01:19:56 AM
Is it just me who watched the end of Raw - which had Owens interfering - with a couple of black guys tag teaming as the 'Street Prophets' and they were a good tag team, but though right at the end the one black guy took a white baby away from its mother in the crowd and his black tag team partner was like "WHAAAT" and he just smiled as if to say "FACES!" and the white baby smiled, as did its mother.

I've not explained it well, and it's obviously planned, but what I think what I'm saying is "That's a great debut for a face tag team".

I am just not interested. I listened to the WOR review of it and am intrigued by Dave thinking that it might be a ratings killer but it felt like they were at least try to establish some new acts as stars. But will take a few months of positive reviews to get me interested again. I like the Street Profits but it's pretty funny how them and Private Party have essentially the same gimmick and AEW beat them to it with the crowd walk celebration.

Anyway... I just watched NWA and it's still on a roll. The stories are developing and whilst in-ring it is broadly utterly missable I do like how it all fits together and the best thing about it is just it's vibe. The Kamille story is particularly fun and it's such a simple premise to make me want to tune in to find out how it turns out.
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Post by: Ja'moke on October 23, 2019, 03:00:35 AM
Street Profits have been doing the in crowd celebration in NXT for months, to be fair.
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Post by: Mobius on October 23, 2019, 04:29:07 AM
That's true. I think it's more just timing that makes the Private Party/Street Profits comparison. Although promoting them to main roster and not having them wrestle for months didn't help... you could imagine Vince seeing Private Party and just thinking "we need 2 black guys who like to have fun!"

I've seen people saying the Humberto Carillo "push" is a reaction to Sammy Guevara which seems a bit tenuous. But then half of the fun of wrestling wars is all this shit :)

I haven't watched NXT since AEW launched. Had gone off it a tad anyway, but now I am really struggling. Everyone is excited about Balor coming back but eh, we've seen it before. I just don't see how moving from Raw/SD to NXT is a good thing. They've got so many people they aren't using, how does having Balor in the title scene help the guys in the Performance Centre? I guess that's the problem with a developmental brand though, you sort of have to make indie vets your champions because how is someone green as shit going to entertain?
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Post by: Deanjam on October 23, 2019, 06:22:41 AM
NXT isn't really the developmental brand anymore. You could argue it hasn't been for a while. but certainly isn't anymore. Balor is there because they're chasing ratings against AEW.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 23, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
There's a big House Show circuit around NXT, which is developmental. There's often in crowd footage posted on YouTube from these live shows. This has always existed outside the TV product. That's the stage where you hone your act or learn your craft.

It usually goes - Try Outs > Performance Centre > House Shows > Dark Matches > TV.
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Post by: Deanjam on October 23, 2019, 08:38:52 AM
House shows serve that purpose at every level though. It's how Ronda got her match experience.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 23, 2019, 09:12:57 AM
I'm really interested in wrestler's routes to the big time. I wonder how some of the indie guys and gals feel when celebrities, athletes and fitness models get their chance before they do.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 23, 2019, 11:06:12 AM
I'm really interested in wrestler's routes to the big time. I wonder how some of the indie guys and gals feel when celebrities, athletes and fitness models get their chance before they do.

Probably the same way struggling comics feel when wrestlers get spots at big comedy clubs.
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Post by: weekender on October 23, 2019, 07:38:45 PM
^Reference to Foley there?

Anyway, mid-week catch up.

So, there's Pentagon, Pentagon Jr and at AAA they've apparently got an Octagon Jr, which sort of implies there was an original Octagon (Hi Plato, and your Form theories).

I might have missed something with the 'gon' faction at some point, but it feels to me like there could be a stable there.

"So, Decagon, how did you get your name?"

"Nonagon, why did you accept the Shorty G name?"

Something like that, just using basic geometry shapes as names for wrestlers.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 24, 2019, 12:37:13 AM
So NWA is still ace and AEW Dark is a weird one. It feels to me like they falling into the same trap as WWE and they not sure exactly where to put their best stuff. The promos NEED to be on the main show and Riho aside, the women's division is a real problem. Jamie Hayter making her debut tonight and she is great but suspect her role will be once again to make Britt Baker look good. Is it just me or is BB just really not very good and actually quite unlikeable? Her personality is flat and her in-ring is poor and her finisher is definite heel. If they genuinely want her to be the top face they need to have a real re-think.

In all the excitement of that AAA show I forgot to once again mention Vikingo. He is without doubt the most talented wrestler in th world at the moment (there are some who are as good as him but noone better) and if they sort his US visa problems out and book him correctly he will easily be a top level star. Put him in that category with PAC and Dragon Lee and Ishimori. I like my Lucha/Jrs to have that explosive, muscular aspect to them and as much as I like Richochet or Osprey to me, at least, Vikingo is better. A total star in the making.

Oh... and TBF it might actually be Taurus who is actually the fucking GOAT but I find the fact he is dressed as a cosplay bull distracts me from his excellence. God I love AAA.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 24, 2019, 01:36:20 AM
WOW. Two awesome matches to start of AEW tonight. This is really fucking good wrestling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 24, 2019, 01:55:38 AM
This is the best mainstream wrestling TV show I have seen in years. I’d like more promos etc but that hour was utterly electric in-ring stuff. All the stars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 24, 2019, 02:03:32 AM
It just gets better. Fuck me this is ace.

Seriously. This whole show is next level ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on October 24, 2019, 08:01:44 AM
Britt Baker could do a female version of Isaac Yankem. That would fit into a heel role. Everyone hates dentists.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: letsgobrian on October 24, 2019, 08:33:14 AM
^Reference to Foley there?

Anyway, mid-week catch up.

So, there's Pentagon, Pentagon Jr and at AAA they've apparently got an Octagon Jr, which sort of implies there was an original Octagon (Hi Plato, and your Form theories).

I might have missed something with the 'gon' faction at some point, but it feels to me like there could be a stable there.

"So, Decagon, how did you get your name?"

"Nonagon, why did you accept the Shorty G name?"

Something like that, just using basic geometry shapes as names for wrestlers.

The original Pentagon was an Evil Twin version of the original Octagon gimmick. Pentagon Jr was the evil twin of Octagon Jr (the current Kalisto) rather than Pentagon's son/nephew.

To confuse matters further, there were 3 successive Pentagons, prior to Jr.

And there's been two more Octagon Jrs after Kailisto, one for AAA (Flamita) and one that the original Octagon presents as his son, but isn't.

Lucha Underground had Australian Suicide play Hexagon Dark, but there was no milk chocolate Hexagon.

Geometry class over.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 24, 2019, 09:11:45 AM
That Cody/Jericho angle, so simple but so well done. Loved it.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 24, 2019, 09:13:34 AM
That Cody/Jericho angle, so simple but so well done. Loved it.

The backstage brawl. That's what I like to see!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 24, 2019, 09:39:05 AM
Absolutely amazing wrestling show. Fantastic. Hope they keep this up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 24, 2019, 10:17:37 AM
It’s the little details that they nail, and it’s usually in storylines that revolve around Cody (which makes me think he’s booking his segments, the same segments that are usually the highlights of AEW’s short lifespan so far). MJF giving him the scarf, it’s perfect storytelling.

I’m a bit peeved that they’re delivering a very strong show from the start but ratings are gonna tock under a million this week (NBA) and I don’t know what they need to do to maintain a neutral rating at this point.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 24, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
Sounds like AEW is a must watch when I get in then! A big spliff and some top wrestling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 24, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
Best episode of Dynamite so far -- I feel like I say that every week, but it really does just keep getting better.

There is just a certain energy to the show. It feels alive and unpredictable and exciting. That's something WWE has been missing for years; everything there is so formulaic and stale and corporate-feeling, and it drags.

Dynamite just flies by. In 2 hours they managed to fit in 6 good-to-great matches, an amazing promo/brawl segment, and even a couple of video pieces (the Dark Order and Britt Baker segments).

And within that was a nice variety of styles. Private Party and the Lucha Bros put on an incredible, fast-paced spot fest. SCU and Dark Order had a more traditional tag match, and I felt like by the end the Dark Order really won the live crowd over. Janela v Omega was ace; I think I preferred it to their unsanctioned match... I'm liking the story of Janela trying to prove he can do more than hardcore matches (and his selling on that V-Trigger was wow!).

Britt Baker had her best match in AEW so far too. I think Jamie Hayter really helped there (she looked great and is someone AEW should sign up if possible). And the home crowd reaction definitely helped Baker look like a star. But she held her own in the ring last night. Yeah, she's still a little green, but the potential is there.

PAC v Moxley was booked perfectly, in my opinion. Two guys desperate for a win and just laying into each other. And the time limit draw made sense. AEW need to establish draws as part of their show, and this was the perfect match to do it in, as PAC and Moxley could have a longer feud and bigger match down the road.

But, of course, the highlight of that whole show was the Cody and Jericho brawl. It was very Attitude era, but in the best possible way. Jericho continues to be hilarious ("who wears a scarf?) and Cody is ridiculously over. It's nice to see a babyface that gets to be a badass.

Fantastic show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on October 24, 2019, 03:21:51 PM
Probably the same way struggling comics feel when wrestlers get spots at big comedy clubs.

I don't disagree, but I'm not sure it's an even comparison, as wrestlers who've had some element of humour to their acts (eg Colt, Foley) could argue that they've paid their dues by honing their comedic chops (no pun intended) at countless shows over the years.  The TV exposure that being in a major promotion would bring is definitely a leg-up, though.  Ziggler getting those gigs without it really being much of his gimmick kinda sticks out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 24, 2019, 05:44:23 PM
Pretty funny just how mainstream the shitty state of WWE 2K20 is getting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50156033

https://www.cnet.com/news/wwe-2k20-is-being-eviscerated-by-fans-for-its-insane-glitches/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2019/10/23/wwe-2k20-might-be-the-most-hated-pro-wrestling-game-ever/

IGN normally fellate these games but it got a 4.3
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 24, 2019, 09:32:52 PM
It was expected, but here are this weeks ratings. Both down obviously.

(https://i.ibb.co/BLdpGLJ/Screenshot-2019-10-24-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 24, 2019, 09:41:50 PM
Other...what shall we call them, "analysts" think the ratings are actually suprisingly good. AEW maintained the key demo and went up a place in the rankings.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 24, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
Both up slightly in the 18-49 demo though, which is the most important rating. Pretty good going up against NBA and the World Series.

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Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 24, 2019, 09:53:11 PM
AEW 4x as many in males 12-34. The only demographic that NXT beats it in is over 50 males. Almost like WWE is run entirely by old, out-of-touch men.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 24, 2019, 11:07:30 PM
That Private Party / Lucha Bros match was insane. So many crazy spots.

Strong/Lee/Dijak on NXT was really great as well. The Balor/UE stuff was cool.

Both shows were great - NXT really suffering from just not being the new kid on the block I think.  As Ja'Moke said, we're so conditioned to the WWE style... it's going to be hard for them to feel different.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 24, 2019, 11:37:14 PM
That Inner Circle/Cody’s Friends angle was one of the best segments in forever. Jericho, crying, ass kicked, “That’s what you get when you mess with the Inner Circle!” Cody has friends! And he’s a badass! And he won’t stand idly by while his enemy monologues... just so many simple elements that elevate it above how WWE segments play out.

Still have to watch the last half hour of the show but the tag matches have all been really good and, fucking hell, how nice is it to hear Tony Schiavone just having the time of his life? It’s actually infectious. I end up with a big smile on my face when he makes a giddy comment about what he’s seeing.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 25, 2019, 12:09:30 AM
Oh god. I like that Fozzy track they using. I genuinely thought I could never like a Fozzy track. I'm such a mark.

Just caught up with the rest of Dynamite. Britt Baker can still fuck off and Jamie Hayter is way better but that was okay and was pretty much the only thing on the show I didn't love.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 25, 2019, 12:30:09 AM

There is just a certain energy to the show. It feels alive and unpredictable and exciting. That's something WWE has been missing for years; everything there is so formulaic and stale and corporate-feeling, and it drags.



I think this is the key thing to why AEW is so good. When Jericho and his crew appeared during the Dark Order match Twitter immediately went into overdrive moaning about how they burying the match with the distraction but I just thought it gave the whole thing an vibe or excitement. That the match then ended up as a total barn-burner AND the Jericho bubbly box paid off with Cody going for him just made me glow with appreciation. It's like US wrestling has remembered there is middle ground between 20 years of Vince's formulaeic crap and Russo's LOLrandom garbage. If they keep this up the show becomes not only a must-watch but a can't-take-your eyes off it.

I am reluctant to discuss ratings as I think all the talk of ratings and demos is detracting from quite how good wrestling is at the moment but I think those ratings for both shows are pretty good.

So in summary in the last 5 days I have watched Smackdown, AAA, NWA, AEW Dark, AEW Dynamite and a bit of NXT (I just have lost interest but I'm not actively avoiding it just don't really care too much) and MLW and they have all ranged from good fun to absolutely belting to Smackdown just being Smackdown. I think RAW has gone. I am not going back.

Oh christ NJPW is starting up the tags now too. Where do I get the time? TBF the only TV I watch is wrestling, The Apprentice and Pobol y Cwm so it's not like I'm chained to the box.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 25, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
Undisputed wrestling highlight of the week is Meltzer saying he doesn’t know anybody who is 60 and saying most of his mates are in their 30s with the odd teenager too. My hero.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 25, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
According to Davey Meltzarella, RAW did just 3,000 viewers on Sky this week. Some folks there thought it was a glitch, but it was not. Wow.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 25, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
Sony now giving refunds for WWE 2K20

Funny! You lot should grow up, and start talking about the computer game!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 25, 2019, 12:50:27 PM
I know less than zero about computer games, but I have enjoyed the various glitches knocking about; especially when set to the Benny Hill theme.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 25, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
According to Davey Meltzarella, RAW did just 3,000 viewers on Sky this week. Some folks there thought it was a glitch, but it was not. Wow.

I bet they can't wait til January when they can fill that slot with something people will actually watch, like the 100 Best Goals of Premier League '95/96 or Kids Go Kayaking With Freddie Flintoff.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 25, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
I know less than zero about computer games, but I have enjoyed the various glitches knocking about; especially when set to the Benny Hill theme.

Becky is a face
But Becky HAS no face!

I wonder if they've fixed that old bug, the one where trying to pin HHH crashes the game
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 01:18:50 AM
Anyone watching Smackdown?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 26, 2019, 01:22:52 AM
I am still up. Look at the state of Chad's new gear.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHw3BpnU0AA6HgS?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 26, 2019, 01:23:04 AM
Yeah, weird how Hogan carried that opening segment. The clunky writing where everyone takes turns to cut lame mini-promos really needs to die.

Frustrating that Kofi lost his title in super quick, humiliating fashion the other week and now he's just back to throwing around pancakes. I hope he snaps soon.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 26, 2019, 01:26:21 AM
Big E should be the one to go heel. It writes itself. He gets increasingly frustrated that Kofi doesn't seem to care that he lost the title and so starts to see him as a loser. There's no Xavier around to be peacemaker.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 01:34:43 AM
Yes but weirdly the New Day heel turn is not quite ready. It's one of the few things they have up their sleeve they've not yet spunked. Ultimately they should aim for a Big E face single run so I would have him turn on them, run a heel run, book as a monster that becomes eventually unhateable and turn him. Like Earthquake in 1992. You know they will fuck it up though so just keep them together.

We could say this about a dozen NXT stars but NXT Big E Langston was awesome. They need to get back to that maybe 18 months down the line.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 01:39:42 AM
I thought Lacey was a face now?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 26, 2019, 01:43:40 AM
She turned face on Raw so it doesn't count on Smackdown.



Seriously.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 01:48:17 AM
I genuinely want to like this show but fucking waste of everyone's time. Utter shite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 26, 2019, 01:51:22 AM
Even the Firefly Funhouse was pointless.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 26, 2019, 01:52:18 AM
This is the FS1 show so it seems they're not even trying. Or maybe this is just their level now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 02:35:54 AM
This is the FS1 show so it seems they're not even trying. Or maybe this is just their level now.

With all the respect in the world (I love you posts so it not aimed at you) but isn't that the refinement of the problem. We fans always make excuses. It where Meltzer has actully done WWE a huge favour... we talk about NFl, NBA, MLB, FS1... etc... its always an excuse for why a WWE show is shite. It is just shite.

Conversely it why all this talk of ratings is fucking me off about the Tuesday-Wednesday shows. Who cares? The reality is that there are loads of amazing wrestling shows about but the only two that are dogshit are the most popular... RAW and Smackdown are wank. Everything else is at least good and at best awesome. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 26, 2019, 02:40:10 AM
The state of this. Nobody there is arsed about anything and rightly so
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 02:52:54 AM
I’ve ended up watching k-pop practice dance vids instead
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 26, 2019, 03:13:26 AM
Jake Hager heeled it up at his Bellator fight and knee’d his opponent in the balls. I think the Inner Circle lads (who were at ringside) forgot to distract the ref.

For real though, Hager kicked the guy in the dick and the fight got ruled a no contest.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 26, 2019, 10:25:55 AM
Jake Hager heeled it up at his Bellator fight and knee’d his opponent in the balls. I think the Inner Circle lads (who were at ringside) forgot to distract the ref.

For real though, Hager kicked the guy in the dick and the fight got ruled a no contest.

LIVING THE GIMMICK
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 26, 2019, 12:58:04 PM
Was listening to Meltzer talk about the value of the AEW deal for TNT there and it makes me think the biggest threat to AEW is doing ~1 million and agreeing to do a second show for double the money... If TNT were only expecting 500k it seems totally possible and would honestly destroy the biggest pro of AEW for me right now (it's <2 hours a week).


They're trying to Daniel Bryan Gable, I assume? It's grim stuff...
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 26, 2019, 04:38:03 PM
Cain is really not over with the WWE audience, is he? Why should they be? Oh he caught Brock slippin' once in 2010. That doesn't make him more interesting, he's a charisma vacuum. Brock still looked like 10x the monster he is last night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 26, 2019, 04:48:40 PM
Cain is really not over with the WWE audience, is he? Why should they be? Oh he caught Brock slippin' once in 2010. That doesn't make him more interesting, he's a charisma vacuum. Brock still looked like 10x the monster he is last night.

Not into MMA, but he's someone who is a Name to me, just through, in all honesty, Meltzer shows, convos at work about MMA I have heard, stuff like that. I was even hyped slightly, as I watch WWE late now, just expected... More?

Just didn't strike me the way Bruiser Brody struck me, I'll say that much. He's a fuckin geek!

Hope Dave is right and he's got real potential as a rassler. I can see it. He isn't projecting anything I'm interested in though, and that largely means "can I suspend my disbelief enough to think he kicks ass".

Real life is sometimes funny when it comes to who looks bad ass and who actually is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 26, 2019, 05:14:01 PM
He's apparently good at lucha libre in Mexico, but WWE & Fox haven't hired him for that. They want a Hispanic Lesnar basically. I can see him improving as a worker, but the charisma thing is gonna be a problem.

I wonder if he's winning the title on Thursday. The beating he took on Smackdown would suggest yes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: BeardFaceMan on October 26, 2019, 05:41:49 PM
Orange Cassidy's superkick is a thing of beauty, isnt it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 26, 2019, 07:02:36 PM
He's apparently good at lucha libre in Mexico, but WWE & Fox haven't hired him for that. They want a Hispanic Lesnar basically. I can see him improving as a worker, but the charisma thing is gonna be a problem.

I wonder if he's winning the title on Thursday. The beating he took on Smackdown would suggest yes.

The good at Lucha thing is something of an exaggeration. It was surprising that a 250lb heavyweight UFC guy decided to do springboards and ranas but he was dragged (literally) through it by Taurus (I think) but fact he was compétant and in front of super hot Mexican crowd who genuinely consider him a national hero and it was more than the sum of its parts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 26, 2019, 07:23:33 PM
AEW has officially signed former Olympic boxer Anthony Ogogo. I actually thought he was already signed after he did a segment on the Road To series a while back, but still, I think that's a good get. He's a long-time wrestling fan and has been training for a while now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 26, 2019, 08:35:23 PM
He's apparently good at lucha libre in Mexico, but WWE & Fox haven't hired him for that.[/quote[

I too have seen 205 Live

[quote[ They want a Hispanic Lesnar basically. I can see him improving as a worker, but the charisma thing is gonna be a problem.

I wonder if he's winning the title on Thursday. The beating he took on Smackdown would suggest yes.

I think he'll get pushed to the fucking moon; they've buried everyone homegrown (or even imported from the same sport) on the way here

Hispanic Lesnar he ain't. Caveat: I am not remotely Hispanic, but is that REALLY such the dealbreaker?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 27, 2019, 12:17:48 PM
Jordan Myles (ACH) is not happy that WWE made his new t-shirt in the style of blackface: https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188393687983759360
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on October 27, 2019, 12:26:27 PM
Jordan Myles (ACH) is not happy that WWE made his new t-shirt in the style of blackface: https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188393687983759360
Jesus christ...

I think he'll get pushed to the fucking moon; they've buried everyone homegrown (or even imported from the same sport) on the way here

Hispanic Lesnar he ain't. Caveat: I am not remotely Hispanic, but is that REALLY such the dealbreaker?
I think bringing Cain in could've been a very good idea, and finding ways to repurpose older MMA guys is an approach that has serious legs to make up for how hard it is to get big guys that the audience will buy these days (as opposed to 25 years ago when any 6'8" brute would work for a few months).
By all accounts he's gonna be able to get up to scratch pretty quickly, but they should've let him get used to actually hurting guys (a bit) before bringing him onto TV. Not sure he'll be able to recover from a weak start for most people.

Brock is fundamentally a really fucking good pro-wrestler, but 90% of his appeal is how fucking aggressive he comes across.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 27, 2019, 03:50:46 PM
Jordan Myles (ACH) is not happy that WWE made his new t-shirt in the style of blackface: https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188393687983759360

Justin Trudeau just bought 100 of them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 01:00:53 AM
Yeah. That weird. There are some online who think it is a work but I don't agree. Nice to see some talent doubling down on WWE's shite!!

In totally unrelated news Lucha AAA is increasingly becoming my fav must watch promotion. I adore the Spanish commentary and every show is just so much fun. £5 on Twich is a bargain and you don't have to deal with all the Twitter wankers arguing about ratings. Hugo Savionvich is the best commentator in wrestling by a 1000% and I barely understand 10% of what he is saying.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 01:17:13 AM
If Jim Valley is going to do a 40 min monologue about Cody being the best wrestler in world then give me a counterpoint show arguing the case for Big Mami. She is so fucking great on all of the points he makes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 28, 2019, 08:11:55 AM
BRRRUUUUUTALE!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 02:37:06 PM
Cornette and Meltzer inching towards their home inevitable fall out. There have been hints at it over last few months but Meltzer directly calling him out on Twitter now. It’s still fairly civil but I’m convinced it’s going to blow up eventually.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 28, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
Cornette's recent arguments about "silly" wrestling are kind of hard to take when he's working for what is essentially a cosplay company. Don't get me wrong, I've been really enjoying NWA Power, but it's a silly gimmick promotion at its core.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 28, 2019, 03:08:35 PM
I think I'm probably close to Cornette in my likes about what wrestling should be, but surely Sonny Kiss is just doing the same shtick that the likes of Adrian Street & Goldust have been doing for decades. Its not even like hes a big part of the show, just a low card act. I dislike some of the stuff that Orange Cassidy and Joey Ryan etc do and have no time for invisible wrestlers and hand grenades etc, but cosplaying is essentially what is at the heart of most wrestling characters.

*edited for disgraceful spelling*
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 28, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
I'm rooting for AEW but the nagging doubt I have for their longevity comes down to two people: Cody and Brandi. There have been revealing moments of why they might not be fit for their roles, but this takes the cake for me https://twitter.com/codyrhodes/status/1188662743076868096?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 28, 2019, 03:28:24 PM
I'm rooting for AEW but the nagging doubt I have for their longevity comes down to two people: Cody and Brandi. There have been revealing moments of why they might not be fit for their roles, but this takes the cake for me https://twitter.com/codyrhodes/status/1188662743076868096?s=21

Wait, what? He told the pyro guy 1000 times that he didn't want pyro when the dog came out and the pyro guy decided to do pyro anyway so he fired him on the spot?
No way anyone believes that.

Don't take your service dog on stage near pyro (and/or near a lot of fans in an arena). Don't blame other people when the dog gets scared. That's your responsibility.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 28, 2019, 03:54:51 PM
Sounds like he doesn't want to accept any responsibility for a situation that he generated. Bragging about him and Brandi firing the guy is also shitty.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 28, 2019, 04:05:01 PM
This Jordan Myles situation is really heating up:

https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188830667238457345

https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188830062570823680
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
The specific issue with Cornette is not that he dislikes the stuff he considers non-wrestling but his justification of his view based on fact this doesn’t draw money and ultimately is killing the business. All Dave is doing is pointing out that by his own logic Cornette is wrong and AEW is, at this point at least, way ahead of their break-even for TV and tickets (and potentially a good TV deal down the line). It’s not about style of wrestling or promo it’s about fact Jim Cornette claims the wrestling he doesn’t like is not popular and Tony Khan is being fleeced despite evidence to the contrary.

If we go back a step his rules on what he deems cosplay or mud show wrestling are both inconsistent and broadly applied but I do find his take on Sonny Kiss to be a load of shit at best and targeted harrassment at worst. The whole point is that Sonny Kiss is not Adrian Street or a Goldust (early years at least - the character did change over time and Dustin is great) ”exotico” gay-man-as-threat-heel that intentionally played to the crowds homophobia. Sonny Kiss is a gay man and a wrestler and carries himself in the ring as a positive example of not needing to hide one’s sexuality. It is not a gimmick which is the point Cornette missed last time. That he continues to single him out I find suspicious.

All that said I stopped listing to Cornette over the Jordynne Grace stuff which was just inexcusable, pathetic name calling from a sexist bully. Even then I could tolerate it for a while (JG was more than capable of sticking up for herself) but it’s the all the Cornette arsekissers from Brian Ladd down i can’t fucking stand. Unbearable sychophants.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 04:29:33 PM
Sounds like he doesn't want to accept any responsibility for a situation that he generated. Bragging about him and Brandi firing the guy is also shitty.

Agreed. Not a good luck. He should read David Starr’s Twitter today that broadly defends AEW as being a better model of workers and feel utterly embarrassed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 04:34:57 PM
This Jordan Myles situation is really heating up:

https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188830667238457345

https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188830062570823680

This is something else. The WWE statement was such horseshit* so wonder where this is going. He surely can’t want to still work there if this continues but what are his options.

They claimed he agreed with the t-shirt design but it was only a few weeks ago a load of wrestlers were caught out as they launched all the NXT t-shirts in a hurry and they had clearly not seen them before. There is some suggestion the “agreement“ is a technicality in the contracts which if true is shockingly poor judgement in this case. They should have just held hands up and took full responsibility.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 04:44:35 PM
It worth repeating the brilliant Brendon Burns routine on this mind. After getting groans and boos over some joke he told that was a bit over the line he replied with something like “really? You booing me for that? This is a room full of wrestling fans.... the thing you all like dresses a black man up as an African voodoo monster for your entertainment. And do you wanna know the most racist thing about that? You don’t even know which black man I am referring to!“

Think that pretty much nails WWE’s attitude on race.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on October 28, 2019, 04:45:00 PM
We're all focused on the underdog story of AEW nipping at the WWE's heels but ethically they have their own issues (Shahid Khan donated 1 million dollars to Trump on his inauguration and the company is essentially the personal fantasy of his nepotistic son) but an interesting story in the independents is David Starr's attempts to unionise. Starr's becoming a bigger name on the indies with each passing day, ironically because of these corporations hoovering up all talent, pushing Starr up the marquee. Starr competed in OTT recently, home of Irish hero Jordan Devlin and by the sounds of it, Starr's words about Devlin being a corporate lackey took hold with the fans, who turned on Devlin and began supporting Starr. OTT have a murky relationship with WWE, but Starr's decency and bravery continues to be very admirable to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx0BnXuToiI
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
We're all focused on the underdog story of AEW nipping at the WWE's heels but ethically they have their own issues (Shahid Khan donated 1 million dollars to Trump on his inauguration and the company is essentially the personal fantasy of his nepotistic son) but an interesting story in the independents is David Starr's attempts to unionise. Starr's becoming a bigger name on the indies with each passing day, ironically because of these corporations hoovering up all talent, pushing Starr up the marquee. Starr competed in OTT recently, home of Irish hero Jordan Devlin and by the sounds of it, Starr's words about Devlin being a corporate lackey took hold with the fans, who turned on Devlin and began supporting Starr. OTT have a murky relationship with WWE, but Starr's decency and bravery continues to be very admirable to me.

It did also inadvertently lead to funniest wrestling moment of the year where half a dozen fans were sat in a row on the balcony, all looking exactly the same, all wearing “INDEPENDENT“ t-shirts.

If you haven’t seen it check out his Twitter today. He’s gone off it about WWE and ironically given what Cody as posted, been cautiously positive about AEW. He’s a good un.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 28, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
This Jordan Myles situation is really heating up:

https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188830667238457345

https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status/1188830062570823680

He also did a (now deleted) tweet calling Jay Lethal an "Uncle Tom". Even if his grievances with WWE are fair, these public social media freakouts are always trashy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 28, 2019, 05:20:38 PM
Why is Gable giving lip service to this Shorty G shit?

Tip mate: if you want Vince to push you, leave him and let him bring you back
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 28, 2019, 05:41:03 PM
There's a culture in wrestling, particalarly WWE of being the good soldier. The idea that doing whatever you're offered without complaint will ultimately earn you respect and get you pushed. This is clearly bullshit to anyone outside of that bubble. Vince always goes harder for the people who have told him to fuck off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 28, 2019, 05:46:50 PM
I wonder if he's already given notice and this is them trying to bury him before he goes (as if that matters to the AEW smarks). Or he's used AEW as leverage for a lucrative new contract and they are punishing him, ala Mike Bennett.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 28, 2019, 06:47:57 PM
I don't think it's punishment. It's just one of those dumb ideas that Vince gets fixated on, but they are clearly pushing Gable. The "Shorty G" name was trademarked a while back, so they've clearly been planning it for a while. He got a great showing in the King of the Ring and is being featured in the main event scene on Smackdown. He's getting some decent reactions too.

The name (and the new look) is terrible, but that seems more like misguided Vince stuff, rather than purposefully punishing someone.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 28, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
888,000 viewers for Smackdown apparently. I know it was FS1, but ... 

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Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 28, 2019, 08:45:42 PM
Is that real? I don't like to be a ratings doom mongerer (I've been one of the ones thinking AEW and NXT's ratings have been very good so far), but not even 900k for Smackdown? Is FS1 really that obscure that they'd have such a significant drop?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 28, 2019, 08:47:07 PM
888,000 viewers for Smackdown apparently. I know it was FS1, but ... 

(http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/ItgQjEg1zqIkU/giphy.gif)

AEW already beating 2/3 WWE shows in a week (admittedly with a lot of mitigating circumstances) should lead to a reasonable, well considered response from Vince this week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 28, 2019, 08:48:06 PM
Is that real? I don't like to be a ratings doom mongerer (I've been one of the ones thinking AEW and NXT's ratings have been very good so far), but not even 900k for Smackdown? Is FS1 really that obscure that they'd have such a significant drop?

It's the number going around and no one is disputing it. Nothing official from the Observer yet, but Meltz did tweet this.

(https://i.ibb.co/55GcYTF/Screenshot-2019-10-28-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 28, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Seems it is indeed accurate...

(http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Final-Cable-2019-Oct-25-FRI.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 08:50:15 PM
I take everything back about ratings. The Smackdown one is in!! Fucking hell!!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 08:51:51 PM
AEW already beating 2/3 WWE shows in a week (admittedly with a lot of mitigating circumstances) should lead to a reasonable, well considered response from Vince this week.

Just the thought that Vince is having a total meltdown right now and has Saudi and the Jordan Myles stuff to deal with and then this drops at the same time. Right now as you read this he will be fucking livid and miserable and crazy. Fucking great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 28, 2019, 08:54:24 PM
Just the thought that Vince is having a total meltdown right now and has Saudi and the Jordan Myles stuff to deal with and then this drops at the same time. Right now as you read this he will be fucking livid and miserable and crazy. Fucking great.

The re-writing now will be on another level. He’ll be going apeshit. Would hate to be your man Shorty G tonight
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 28, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
Oh for any AAA fans this is only the third most stupid thing I have seen Aerostar do in the last few months.

https://twitter.com/DoveChad1138/status/1188208612402843648?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on October 28, 2019, 10:39:35 PM
Can't decide if I want to watch Black Jesus or Muppet Babies.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 29, 2019, 12:54:46 AM
This Jordan Myles/ACH stuff... yowie wowie! Absolutely no way he can remain in the company is there? But WWE giving him his release will surely lead to more people wanting out.

Apparently the NXT roster are pretty miserable and there's not even enough lockers for all the PC recruits any more.

I love this shitshow
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: spanky on October 29, 2019, 10:53:48 AM
I don't think 'Shorty G' is any kind of punishment, there was talk for years that Vince wanted some kind of Mighty Mouse character with Neville/Pac being a candidate, looks like he found someone to fit the role. It's really Kurt Angle's fault for putting it about as a young man and causing the breakup of American Alpha
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 29, 2019, 11:27:01 AM
I don't care what anyone says, I love the Rusev/Lana/Lashley storyline. Soap opera bullshit is part of the reason I love this idiotic fake sport. Aside from the snarks on twitter, I think it's pretty over with the audience too. Meltzer or Alvarez at one point said their segments were doing the highest ratings on RAW.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on October 29, 2019, 11:57:59 AM
I don't care what anyone says, I love the Rusev/Lana/Lashley storyline. Soap opera bullshit is part of the reason I love this idiotic fake sport. Aside from the snarks on twitter, I think it's pretty over with the audience too. Meltzer or Alvarez at one point said their segments were doing the highest ratings on RAW.

I ain't seen it so will not judge. I think a major aspect of the backlash against it was that Rusev and Lana had been off-screen for a long time after making their unhappiness known and were immediately returned into a cuck/cheating angle which is a) a bit embarrassing and b) seen as an attempt to actually break them up in real life, what with the history of married couples who do angles where they split up ending up splitting up for real. Don't forget, this is the 2nd time they've tried this angle and the first time around there were reports of Vince thinking Lana was too good for Rusev. Of course, those reports could have been bullshit but it's WWE and there's no level of pettiness I think they're above. I think a lot of the resentment towards the angle comes from fans seeing it as a punishment for Lana and Rusev.

Anyway, this Jordan Myles shit is insane. That email claiming HHH wanted the shirt "more toothy"... then people suddenly remembering HHH is racist and tweeting vids of him being racist at Booker T and Mark Henry and Asians... "What? You mean the guy with the Iron Cross symbolism who mocked Booker T's race before pinning him clean and imitated Mark Henry as a gorilla and blackfaced twice on national TV might have some cultural unawareness when it comes to racial issues? ZUH?"

It's a shame ACH seems to have been caught up in the fury/adrenaline/rush as he's tweeted a couple of ill-advised things that people will/are use/using against him but his initial gripe is totally fair enough. That shirt design is insane and the email regarding it is mind-boggling. I have no idea how he can continue working for that company and yet I don't expect them to release him so it's a really interesting story. And a hilarious one to break out in the same week WWE are re-visiting their Saudi overlords.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 29, 2019, 12:04:27 PM
as someone who didn't really get into wrestling for soap opera I find the the Rusev stuff weird and bad, not least because they seem to have two cuckold storylines running simultaneously.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 29, 2019, 12:15:58 PM
I don't think 'Shorty G' is any kind of punishment, there was talk for years that Vince wanted some kind of Mighty Mouse character with Neville/Pac being a candidate, looks like he found someone to fit the role. It's really Kurt Angle's fault for putting it about as a young man and causing the breakup of American Alpha

I just see it as being out of touch with the audience

Which is, in a normal wrestling promotion who have to worry about income and attendance, important

Whether it's a punishment is sort of by the by. It sucks and I don't think it's getting him over and it's a waste of talent.

I just want Vince to retire at this point. Which sadly means "die" but I'm not that psychotic... he's lost his touch and the obsession with doing characters HE came up with stretches back years.

I mean, Fake Razor and Diesel - don't forget they were not MEANT to be fake. The audience was meant to pick up where they left off. He didn't want to let those characters go, even though to the fans, they were Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. He failed to grasp that gimmicks are married to the performer.

Mighty Mouse is such a stupid character anyway but what's so interesting it has hung about for years? That's just weird.

And I was watching an old show from the 90s, where on commentary Vince calls some wrestler (someone like Damian Demento but that's a guess, I know it was a OMG INSANE character) "the lunatic fringe".

End of the day, you're either happy with WWE's creative or you're not - I'm not, so quit watching - but carte blanche to do what he wants, with no heed to anything but Saudi Arabia money, is the curse McMahon has, not the blessing.

The audience don't count and neither does what organically gets over. That isn't good booking, it isn't good promotion, and it isn't strictly good business.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 29, 2019, 12:37:48 PM
Smackdown, admittedly on FS1 and not Fox, drew 888k on Friday. Predictions were around 1.7m, down from the early Fox shows of around 3m.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 29, 2019, 12:43:38 PM
The Lana Rusev thing is dreadful. Firstly you got the basic shit of havig to watch your real life wife getting off with another man (as actors fair enough it is part of the job but when you realise it is mainly for two men's pleasure - Vince and Heyman - then they can get fucked with that). Secondly, it is a really badly done story for what it is and makes no sense even within it's own logic and thirdly to go from PG to all the sex talk and swearing just seems icky as fuck. If you go to a WWE live show there is a large audience of little kids there (like 6 years old little). If they want a more edgy product then at least give some warnings. The people moaning on the internet that they didn't appreciate having to explain this to little kids is a fair enough complaint IMHO.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 29, 2019, 12:46:10 PM
I just see it as being out of touch with the audience

Which is, in a normal wrestling promotion who have to worry about income and attendance, important

Whether it's a punishment is sort of by the by. It sucks and I don't think it's getting him over and it's a waste of talent.

I just want Vince to retire at this point. Which sadly means "die" but I'm not that psychotic... he's lost his touch and the obsession with doing characters HE came up with stretches back years.

I mean, Fake Razor and Diesel - don't forget they were not MEANT to be fake. The audience was meant to pick up where they left off. He didn't want to let those characters go, even though to the fans, they were Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. He failed to grasp that gimmicks are married to the performer.

Mighty Mouse is such a stupid character anyway but what's so interesting it has hung about for years? That's just weird.

And I was watching an old show from the 90s, where on commentary Vince calls some wrestler (someone like Damian Demento but that's a guess, I know it was a OMG INSANE character) "the lunatic fringe".

End of the day, you're either happy with WWE's creative or you're not - I'm not, so quit watching - but carte blanche to do what he wants, with no heed to anything but Saudi Arabia money, is the curse McMahon has, not the blessing.

The audience don't count and neither does what organically gets over. That isn't good booking, it isn't good promotion, and it isn't strictly good business.

I've also just realised that I have 10 NJPW tag shows to watch. I genuinely thought they were taking a break and they starting up next week but that is the final. There is just not enough time to watch bad wrestling. Damn!!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on October 29, 2019, 12:49:51 PM
It's really Kurt Angle's fault for putting it about as a young man and causing the breakup of American Alpha
I thought seeded rankings were more AEW's bag.

I'll see myself out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 29, 2019, 01:05:57 PM
The Lana Rusev thing is dreadful. Firstly you got the basic shit of havig to watch your real life wife getting off with another man (as actors fair enough it is part of the job but when you realise it is mainly for two men's pleasure - Vince and Heyman - then they can get fucked with that). Secondly, it is a really badly done story for what it is and makes no sense even within it's own logic and thirdly to go from PG to all the sex talk and swearing just seems icky as fuck. If you go to a WWE live show there is a large audience of little kids there (like 6 years old little). If they want a more edgy product then at least give some warnings. The people moaning on the internet that they didn't appreciate having to explain this to little kids is a fair enough complaint IMHO.

Did you see the segment last night? It was executed well enough and the crowd got really into it. Also, there's been plenty of sex talk and all that stuff before this. We saw R-Truth invading Drake Maverick's hotel room when he was about to fuck his wife just a few months ago. It hasn't been a super clean show for a few years now, and Lana and Rusev have already had their fair share of saucy storylines involving affairs. I don't know, I don't really care about the concerned parents, there was Val Venis and The Godfather on every show when I was a kid. Edge and Lita were having a live sex celebration when I was 13. There tends to be a lot of naivety in terms of what parents think their kids aren't seeing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 29, 2019, 01:14:04 PM
I watched the 3rd episode of NWA Power and am into it. Great feelgood wrestling with some complexity and bite brewing. Interview with Lagana seems to suggest they're going to push it back toward being a territory around Georgia and the Carolinas.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 29, 2019, 02:44:42 PM
The Lana/Rusev story is shit because not only did it come out of nowhere but it also makes no sense. She is upset with Rusev because he wants sex all the time, so left him to have sex with another guy? Garbage.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 29, 2019, 02:59:40 PM
She's getting back at Rusev for using her. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 29, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
She's getting back at Rusev for using her. It's brilliant.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Soz.

Meltzer has just referred to the type of fan defending WWE against the idea that it has a racism problem as "Vincels" and I am fucking dying laughing.

Edit: this might be a fake account as can't find the original tweet but I still loled.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 29, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
That Rusev and Lana clip is over 2-and-a-half-million views on YouTube. I'll admit I watched it on there (because I didn't watch Raw other than the opening segment/Becky v Kairi). Lana cut a fairly decent promo to be fair and the crowd were into it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 29, 2019, 06:46:26 PM
That Rusev and Lana clip is over 2-and-a-half-million views on YouTube. I'll admit I watched it on there (because I didn't watch Raw other than the opening segment/Becky v Kairi). Lana cut a fairly decent promo to be fair and the crowd were into it.

There are similar themed clips on an alternative global-brand video hosting site that have +100million views. I checked for research purposes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 29, 2019, 08:13:22 PM
AEW announced a panel of three judges to determine the Jericho v Cody World Title match if it goes to a 60-minute time limit draw.

I assume this is just introducing the concept for future World title matches (probably an Omega match), as I don't see Jericho doing a 60 minute match in 2019. It's probably also a way to assure fans in attendance that they'll get a final result to the main event.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 29, 2019, 08:54:52 PM
They should just say it CAN'T BE STOPPED FOR ANY REASON.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 29, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
I think we can forget the idea that the Rusev angle is drawing. (edit) Source - Wrestling Observer

(https://i.ibb.co/hmnFZYw/Screenshot-2019-10-29-WWE-Raw-draws-third-worst-ratings-of-2019.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 30, 2019, 01:47:13 AM
So caught up with the first three NJPW tag shows. So much great stuff. El Phantasmo finally winning me over as a character that matches his potential. The Birds of Prey are obviously brilliant and plenty of good stuff going on in the undercards. Just wish they wouldn't ruin the serious sports vibe of it all with these Pieter dance routines entrances....

Meltzer mention the Vikingo Taurus tag I mention previously on his show yesterday so if anyone is intrigued it is here.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/500129501

It costs a fiver a month sub but it's so good. I like AAA for the vibe as it's such a fun show and the crowds and commentary are so good but yes that match was something else, even by AAA standards. The thing with Lucha is there is that weird thing where GENUINELY great matches by the standard that we non-Mexicans are used to don't always get over as they love the spectacle but Taurus and Vikingo are just magnificent by any standard. Also Psycho Clown and Pentagon in main event are more over than any wrestler in any room ever. I love this shit.

Right. Im watching NWA and maybe Dark. Off work this week.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 30, 2019, 02:31:08 AM
Yep. NWA PowerRR was great again. Maybe not quite as good as previous shows but it has progressed the storylines nicely. Time for AEW Dark which I'm not really feeling so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 30, 2019, 03:02:44 AM
AEW Dark is largely missable but you have to watch the MJF Cody interview. Perfect.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 30, 2019, 12:22:17 PM
Darby Allin is so fucking over. Big fan. That 450 from Jack Evans with Havoc laid on the chairs was nasty looking!

In other news, Natalya v Lacey Evans added to Crown Jewel.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 30, 2019, 12:41:14 PM
That official WWE podcast dropped today. As expected, it's not as wild and unfiltered as they promised. Corey Graves isn't the right guy for it, no matter what attitude he exudes on commentary. When the COO is sitting right in front of him, he doesn't have the balls to ask any genuinely difficult questions. Also there's the typical "the internet/smarks hate everything" spiel. It feels like Scientology having a tell-all podcast.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 30, 2019, 09:27:33 PM
Corey Graves is so unlikable. Nice to hear Seth Rollins come across as a complete wanker, as usual.

Natty Vs Lacey in Saudi Arabia... wonder why they chose those 2? Hardly the best wrestlers.. not to mention they just feuded then got put into a tag team... now they're wrestling each other again?! Suppose none of this shit matters anyway... !



Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Gurke and Hare on October 30, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
I'm not as heavily into wrestling as most of the people here, but I'm absolutely loving AEW, especially some of the tag matches (Private Party are probably the wrestlers I'd most like to see live at this point) and Riho.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 01:15:48 AM
I'm not as heavily into wrestling as most of the people here, but I'm absolutely loving AEW, especially some of the tag matches (Private Party are probably the wrestlers I'd most like to see live at this point) and Riho.

Hey. Good choice.

Tonight's show is a weird one. It feels bit slow paced. It's the first episode I have watched where the lack of adverts on Fite maybe makes it drag more. Every segment just feels a little longer than it needed to be. Not the crazy fast show from last week. Still loads of good stuff though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 01:58:42 AM
In the most obvious news ever Fenix is fucking unbelievably talented.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 31, 2019, 02:56:38 AM
Yeah he's incredible. Penta has probably the coolest lucha look too. They are an amazing tag team.

Female Wargames will be cool.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 31, 2019, 07:29:52 AM
Finally, Crown Jewel tomorrow

A stress free wrestling show, with marquee matches and all the stars!

I'm betting at least two matches that are ** or under. Safe bet!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Swoz_MK on October 31, 2019, 08:47:23 AM
Instagram tells me Shanna was on AEW last night, incredible. Last time I saw her wrestle was in a pub in Milton Keynes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 31, 2019, 09:38:24 AM
Instagram tells me Shanna was on AEW last night, incredible. Last time I saw her wrestle was in a pub in Milton Keynes.

Yeah it was the best AEW women’s match yet. They should sign her.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 31, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
What a promo from Moxley this week. He's better than everyone else on that stick, brother.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 12:14:21 PM
Instagram tells me Shanna was on AEW last night, incredible. Last time I saw her wrestle was in a pub in Milton Keynes.

Not familiar with her, but she was great. As was Shida. The most technically sound women’s match so far. Also read that Mercedes Martinez and Big Swole wrestled a tag match for Dark this week, hopefully both of them are signed too. The women’s division will get a big boost.

And by god Moxley’s promo was fire. WWE tried to script that?! What a waste. Glad to finally see him unleashed.

Loved all the Inner Circle stuff too last night, getting their revenge from last week. And I thought Hangman v Sammy was really good. Hangman was super over last night.

Only thing I wasn’t sure on was that Brandi and Kong video. Voodoo? Really? Was that just for Halloween or is this Brandi’s gimmick now?

EDIT: Shanna told an interviewer she's signed a 3 year deal with AEW. Awesome!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 31, 2019, 12:34:55 PM
Congratulations to Stephanie for freeing women in Saudi Arabia. You truly are a groundbreaking, trailblazing inspiration to us all. I only wish I was a woman so I could be freed too.

Bless the McMahons!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: madhair60 on October 31, 2019, 12:42:15 PM
IT'S SANS
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 31, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
this guy I know interviewed Steph about Saudi and is probably the worst piece of journalism I've ever read. can't bring myself to link it. it's on Bleacher Report. pure arselicking of theocratic fascism.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 12:47:49 PM
There's talk of AEW and NJPW perhaps working on a talent exchange deal. It was first posted by a Reddit user named Drama79, who gets a lot of stick off people, but does seem to have some sources within the AEW camp (he was the first to post about the TNT deal way before AEW was even confirmed to be a thing). Anyway, now Meltzer is also saying that Gedo is trying to make something happen between New Japan and AEW... and the reference to Ibushi in Kenny's entrance video last night is probably a sign.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 31, 2019, 12:57:23 PM
the changes in CMLL have probably really helped things but sorting out those Mexican issues are what holds this back. NJPW are clearly done with ROH.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
It's the smallest thing but can we just put to rest the Orange Cassidy stuff. As someone who hated his shit up to now the way he is working it in AEW is excellent. The key is that people are not selling his soft shit (they used to) but now he is just using it to tease people in for his high flying. I really like it and crowd LOVE it.

Another thing I've realised is how deep the roster is relative to the 3 hours of TV they do a week. AEW Dark helps but as we mentioned when AEW started they can rotate the undercard talent and it keeps things fresh. I assume Riho is back in Japan for a bit and she is not missed off the show (it is not vital that she is at every show) but when she reappears it will be good to see her. I really like this aspect of AEW.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
the changes in CMLL have probably really helped things but sorting out those Mexican issues are what holds this back. NJPW are clearly done with ROH.

I agree with this. The AAA/AEW is really fundamental to what they are doing and that is what is going to be the spanner in the works moving forward. They are advertising fantasica mania on NJPW with all the CMLL lot so that is not changing anytime. Given the issue with Rush and Dragon Lee was that CMLL didn't want them wrestling AAA talent at PWG and they did anyway so got fired if NJPW was to have a deal with AEW that just makes everything super complicated. It is doable and ultimately money talks but I would suspect the way out of this is for it to be on a wrestler by wrestler basis with likes of Ibushi coming in to AEW for one off matches. But even then I don't really see it for more that the very occasional feud.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
It's the smallest thing but can we just put to rest the Orange Cassidy stuff. As someone who hated his shit up to now the way he is working it in AEW is excellent. The key is that people are not selling his soft shit (they used to) but now he is just using it to tease people in for his high flying. I really like it and crowd LOVE it.

Another thing I've realised is how deep the roster is relative to the 3 hours of TV they do a week. AEW Dark helps but as we mentioned when AEW started they can rotate the undercard talent and it keeps things fresh. I assume Riho is back in Japan for a bit and she is not missed off the show (it is not vital that she is at every show) but when she reappears it will be good to see her. I really like this aspect of AEW.

Riho and Bea Priestly are both booked in Stardom's tag tournament I believe. Which means both are likely to miss Full Gear. It's a little frustrating they're gonna miss the PPV, seeing as Riho is the Women's champ and Bea was feuding with Britt Baker (the only proper women's feud in the company so far... other than whatever Brandi is doing).

Also, I agree on Orange Cassidy. He's great and they're only using him in small doses.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
Meltzer’s attempt on the latest WOR to try and come up with an analogy for Rollins’ swipe at Moxley in the context of him and Alvarez was brilliant. Awful, but brilliant. 4 and a half stars
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
The Poppy intro/Io entrance on NXT last night was ace. Also, the NXT women's division is absolutely stacked right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 31, 2019, 03:56:31 PM
The Poppy intro/Io entrance on NXT last night was ace. Also, the NXT women's division is absolutely stacked right now.

Yeah, I liked that a lot. When are they going to release Sharai's heel theme? It bangs!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 04:21:57 PM
Late arriving crowd klaxon
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 04:31:45 PM
Meltzer’s attempt on the latest WOR to try and come up with an analogy for Rollins’ swipe at Moxley in the context of him and Alvarez was brilliant. Awful, but brilliant. 4 and a half stars

Ha ha. Just listening now*. He is so unintentionally hilarious at times.

*Nice to see they have same opinion as us about Orange Cassidy. They have made it work. I approve.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 04:51:31 PM
Kairi and Asuka are so good (still catching up on last night's NXT), but they really need to give them new music... that "mash-up" (if you can even call it that) is awful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
Looks like Lesnar has got another early flight booked
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 31, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
Cain lost in 2 minutes? Money well spent.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 31, 2019, 05:52:56 PM
I think Lesnar convinced WWE to hire Cain so he could beat him.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 05:55:03 PM
Cain lost in 2 minutes? Money well spent.

Just seen it on Twitter. You can see what they were trying to do and it was the right idea but wasn't as good as anything on either of the two Bloodsport shows. What do we reckon that cost the Saudis? A cool $3million?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 05:59:31 PM
Meanwhile, The OC are now officially the best tag team in the world. So good in fact, that they don’t currently possess either of the tag team titles currently up for grabs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on October 31, 2019, 06:04:19 PM
And then to think that New Day vs Revival is advertised for Smackdown tomorrow. You cant do that to you performers. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 06:20:19 PM
I think on many levels that might have just been the worst match I have ever seen. Not because it was bad just that it is a refinement of everything that is utterly rotten about WWE. From the commentary to the booking to the crowd to the shots of all the kids to the crowd genuinely being surprised he won to Cesaro just taking the pay check when he should be a top guy. The whole thing utterly sucks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 06:23:13 PM

That accent!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
The architect Mansoor Rollins
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
"This could get very ugly." - Cory Graves.

I'm actually genuinely literally laughing at how shit this is. All the stars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
"This could get very ugly." - Cory Graves.

I'm actually genuinely literally laughing at how shit this is. All the stars.

I hadn’t braced myself properly for that pin attempt and subsequently cannot breathe comfortably. Amazing. I think I was still giddy from genuinely believing he was going to try a 619
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 06:49:41 PM
I hadn’t braced myself properly for that pin attempt and subsequently cannot breathe comfortably. Amazing. I think I was still giddy from genuinely believing he was going to try a 619

There are people on Twitter who genuinely seem to think that was "alright" and Fury did "fine". If proof was ever that WWE fans have been utterly desensitised to everything and are dead inside. That was either the full minus-5-stars or a work of utter comedy genius! "Fine" was very much not what it was. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 06:58:43 PM
I wish Cory Graves would just shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 31, 2019, 07:07:57 PM
My "two matches under 2 **s" wager seems hilariously generous now
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 07:11:52 PM
Natalya looks terrified that somebody is going to hop in and murder her
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 31, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
From the Observer re investors call:

Quote
Prior to their investors' call Thursday morning, WWE released their 2019 Q3 numbers, showing a small year-over-year decrease in revenue to $186.3 million and 1.51 million average paid WWE Network subscribers.

As of this writing, WWE stock was down nearly 16%, trading at $55.91 a share.

Notes and audio from today's call can be found below.

WWE attributed the decrease from $188.4 million a year ago to declines in live event ticket sales and merchandise offset by increase in their Media segment.

They highlighted the following quarterly highlights in their release:

    $6.4 million operating income, down from $18.1 million in last year's Q2 due to a decline in revenue and "increases in fixed costs including the impact of certain strategic investments".
    $25.4 million adjusted OBIDA (operating income before depreciation and amortization) as compared to $35.8 million the year prior.
    They adjusted their full year guidance of a record $180-$190 million OBIDA, down from their $200 million OBIDA forecast from last quarter. The downturn was attributed to a TV deal in the Middle East being delayed and an increased investment in content creation.
    The Network subscriber drop (9%) was in line with their Q2 prediction of 1.53 million. They predicted a further drop to 1.43 million in Q4 and a year over year decline of 10%.
    They said that that through the end of September, "digital video views increased 12% on a year-over-year basis to 25.6 billion and hours consumed increased 14% to 957 million hours across digital and social platforms."

Other notes:

    Live event revenue declined to $23.2 million due to "weakened performance" and fewer North American shows. Excluding NXT, there were 74 total events in Q3 (67/7 domestic to international split) compared to 90 in Q3 last year (86/4).
    Their average ticket price increased by 6% to $56.64 while overall North American sales declined by $4.1 million with 19 fewer shows and lower attendance. International revenue was virtually identical.
    Consumer products decreased to $17 million, down from $19.6 million last year.

Call Notes

    Vince McMahon was not on the call as he's in Saudi Arabia for Crown Jewel. George Barrios did the majority of the talking.
    He acknowledged reviews for WWE2K20 were mixed.
    He was asked about NXT's move from the Network to USA and the continued drive toward live rights. A question about leaving Full Sail University didn't get answered.
    They expect their India TV deal to be done by end of '19 and gives no timeline for the Middle East deal.
    Barrios believes 70% of total growth in years ahead will come outside the U.S. and both India and China are a big part of that growth.
    They said investors couldn't be guaranteed two Saudi Arabia shows per year going forward.
    Network tiers were again brought up, but no timeline was announced. They see their value prop as different than HBO Max and Disney+ so there's a not a drive to reduce the monthly cost to keep up.
    They brought up "accelerated investments" in their in-ring product when asked if this year's Crown Jewel was more expensive due to Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez. The creation of the storyline, the in-ring talent, and producing the actual content are all part of the process and all saw increases.
    Asked about AEW, Barrios said there is a lot of competition for eyeballs through all media and sports entities. Their expectation is that they win.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on October 31, 2019, 07:48:25 PM
so much for the rising tide
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 07:54:47 PM
The fucking clip of Ricochet!!! Lol.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
for those of you watching in black and white, the fiend and the beast slayer are fighting in red
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 08:16:00 PM
https://twitter.com/rockin_ewok/status/1189956863904899075?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on October 31, 2019, 08:24:50 PM
The effort Wyatt puts into little things like listening to his hurt or heal glove before deciding to do something and neither of those two clowns on commentary can even try to put it over. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 08:34:26 PM
Wyatt won?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on October 31, 2019, 08:49:45 PM
Wyatt won?

Spoiler alert: yes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 31, 2019, 08:51:55 PM
So Smackdown has both titles? Okaaaaay ...

Anyway, Wednesday night ratings are in and are down as expected.

(https://i.ibb.co/pLVFwgD/Screenshot-2019-10-31-5-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on October 31, 2019, 08:55:29 PM
Why couldn't they have just had him win at HIAC?!

And yeah, those ratings were expected, the World Series went to Game 7... I don't know what that means, but apparently it's quite rare, and it did 23 million viewers (double the previous game).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on October 31, 2019, 09:31:20 PM
Wow that Brock match was embarrassing. Apparently Cain signed a long term deal so what happens now? He just becomes a normal roster guy?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on October 31, 2019, 09:53:46 PM
I guess he goes away to train and then comes back for the 'decider' with Brock.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on October 31, 2019, 10:13:43 PM
I liked Tyson Fury’s entrance a lot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 01, 2019, 12:49:20 AM
Wow that Brock match was embarrassing. Apparently Cain signed a long term deal so what happens now? He just becomes a normal roster guy?
If he's willing to do a full time schedule, then yes.

The only reason Brock is so protected is because how he totally held them to ransom.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 01, 2019, 12:52:30 AM
I liked Tyson Fury’s entrance a lot.

True story. My dad (he's a bit of racist cunt but that is irrelevent) used to work in Saudi a lot. Like me he is a big guy (bigger - 6ft4 and 25 stone - it's relevent) but he was doing a training course as 9/11 actually happened. I rang him after the first plane hit* and told him there had been a crash and rang him back again when second plane his and told him it couldn't be a coincidence and was terrorism. I must have been on his conference call phone and in back ground a load of Saudi businessmen cheered and my Dad bollocked them (he used to work in NYC and knew people in the Twin Towers). I was a particularly weird experience even in comparison to the fact that abut 5 billion people were living through a weird experience.

Anyway, he rang me that night and told me that he would never come back to Saudi as they were all cunts. We were all a bit tense waiting for him to arrive back and 3 or 4 days later we heard the door go. In he walked... in full on Saudi gear just like Tyson Fury tonight. It was funny as fuck and I still have the outfit somewhere. For years I assumed it was some awful double bluff cultural appropriation but it's not. It's just money-talks fancy dress.

This is my truth... tell me yours.

*I was listening to it on Simon Mayo 5Live and then put on Sky News. I was cooking linguine with sliced chilli, spring onions parsley and vine tomatoes in garlic with crab meat. It was an excellent lunch but only because I was bold with the turns of black pepper. Essential.
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Post by: hummingofevil on November 01, 2019, 12:55:54 AM
If he's willing to do a full time schedule, then yes.

The only reason Brock is so protected is because how he totally held them to ransom.

Kinda. Brock does exactly as he is told from booking point of view but totally played Vince from business aspect with the wanting-to-go-back to UFC shit.

If I was Cain I would just right this off as a huge pay day and happily slip into the WWE midcard for $1million a year and have fun being a luchador. He wont and bad WWE booking will no doubt drag this shit out to a best-of-three but it will be utterly boring for all concerned.

My dream would be them actually letting Cain hit Lesnar with the Lucha stuff which would be hilarious (oh for a Brock Moonsault just for old time sake) but that would just be too much fun. WWE hates fun.
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Post by: peanutbutter on November 01, 2019, 01:03:10 AM
Kinda. Brock does exactly as he is told from booking point of view but totally played Vince from business aspect with the wanting-to-go-back to UFC shit.
Yes he does, once they're paying him for those dates. Haven't there been multiple years where they burned through his dates early and were paying him money on top to keep coming in?
He keeps himself a scarce commodity and that's all you need to keep Vince keen.



I've hardly watched WWE all year, but I've a question: where the fuck is John Cena these days? Surely Fox will chase after him if ratings continue to concern?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 01, 2019, 01:08:54 AM
I've hardly watched WWE all year, but I've a question: where the fuck is John Cena these days? Surely Fox will chase after him if ratings continue to concern?

Morphing into Vince McMahon.

(https://static.pressfrom.info/upload/images/real/2019/10/29/john-cena-wearing-a-suit-and-tie-smiling-and-looking-at-the-camera-john-cena-photo-lionel-hahn-abaca_732853_.jpg?content=1)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 01, 2019, 01:36:14 AM
Ha ha Lol. He desperately wants to be the the next The Rock so has learned from experience that the best way to do that is to distance himself from WWE. Will it work? Probably not but he's right to try it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 01, 2019, 02:05:27 AM
Ha ha Lol. He desperately wants to be the the next The Rock so has learned from experience that the best way to do that is to distance himself from WWE. Will it work? Probably not but he's right to try it.
Looking at where the Rock's career was directly before his WWE return and where it went after, I don't think it is fair to say that.

His role in the Fast and Furious series definitely gave him a much needed bump, but it was aided a fuckton by an outpouring of goodwill towards him following his WWE return.


Rock's period where he was making a conscious effort to keep away from WWE was when he was totally floundering.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on November 01, 2019, 10:33:34 AM
Wow that Brock match was embarrassing. Apparently Cain signed a long term deal so what happens now? He just becomes a normal roster guy?

Book him as the battle scarred MMA fighter. Injuries enable his opponents to beat him. Make him an underdog.

Let him go to NXT. Utilise his insane work ethic (the UFC used this a lot in their promo Countdown shows before PPVs), and show him learning to be a pro wrestler in training montages, fans invest in his journey and he becomes a contender down the line. Maybe have a veteran teach him the dark arts and act as his mouthpiece.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: mikeyg27 on November 01, 2019, 10:47:47 AM
So it sounds like a lot of the WWE roster are stuck in Saudia Arabia (https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/wwe-talent-delayed-saudi-arabia-after-crown-jewel-296286) and won't be making it back for SmackDown, and it's 'not a mechanical or weather issue' either, which hopefully sounds more ominous than it actually is.

Luckily they can do a Sami Zayn-Daniel Bryan 1 hour epic and fill the rest of the time with women's segments.

In all seriousness though, at what point do WWE start failing to justify these Saudi shows to themselves?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 01, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
Every women's segment and match gained viewers on every WWE show this week. And they still won't give us Evolution II.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 01, 2019, 02:17:36 PM
If I recall correctly, Evolution was the lowest watched show on the Network last year. They also had poor ticket sales, with only last minute massive price reductions stopping the show being sparsely attended. So it's not like they haven't done a second one for no reason. I remember enjoying the show though. The higher proportion of women & kids in the crowd gave it a more positive, less patterened, vibe.

Of course, we must remember that Vince doesn't really care about women's wrestling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 01, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Evolution was the best WWE PPV of 2018 I thought.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 01, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
Evolution was the best WWE PPV of 2018 I thought.

I think I may agree, although it's hard to remember any of their shows once they're passed.


(EDIT) new page quoting
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 01, 2019, 04:22:47 PM
From WWE:

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More than 175 Superstars, production crew and employees boarded a 747 charter flight back to the United States on Thursday. After the door closed, due to several aircraft problems including mechanical issues, all passengers sat on the tarmac for more than six hours. With SmackDown set to emanate live from Buffalo, N.Y., several Superstars felt so strongly that they arranged for their own separate charter in order to make it back to the U.S. for the show. Due to unforeseen issues, that charter will not land until after the live broadcast on FOX.

The remainder of WWE’s Superstars, staff and crew will depart on a charter set to depart Saudi Arabia later tonight.

As always with WWE, the show must go on. Live at 8/7 CT on FOX, SmackDown will feature Superstars, such as Daniel Bryan, The Miz, Carmella, Nikki Cross, Dana Brooke — plus, additional surprises.

That actually makes Smackdown more exciting to me. I'm hoping for an opening hour of just women's matches and then the second hour to be a 60-minute iron man match between Bryan and Zayn.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on November 01, 2019, 04:28:12 PM
talent has been leaking to WON that it's not a mechanical issue at all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 01, 2019, 04:31:08 PM
talent has been leaking to WON that it's not a mechanical issue at all.

That quote reads like horseshit. Typical WWE spin. Still, it says a lot that the talent not making it to the show has made me more interested in watching it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 01, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
Just book an NXT invasion for smackdown tonight to set up some Survivor Series stuff. Might even have the knock on effect if boosting NXT ratings on a Wednesday
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 01, 2019, 11:30:29 PM
Don't forget SD is 12 o'clock start tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 01, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
Meltzer has just RTed that Diana Mendez wife of Hugo Savinovich for 30 years has died after a long battle with cancer. My brain did a joke and I feel bad about it. Amazing how good these performers can be when their is shit going wrong in real life. Reading Jim Ross' tweets about his wife's birthday made me sad before.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 02, 2019, 12:30:05 AM
I really hope there an NXT invasion or something. Smackdown just showed the full Brock Cain match, talk about padding for time. Another boring Heyman promo and Bayley/Nikki Cross so far...

Brock’s going from Smackdown to Raw and taking the belt with him so the brand split is going well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 12:32:42 AM
Oh give it time...

...speaking of which. Here we go. Quite good this. Shayna has such a good face for her character. Chicken or egg?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 12:33:14 AM
I really hope there an NXT invasion or something.

They must've heard you.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 02, 2019, 12:33:25 AM
Ha 30 seconds after posting that Shayna Bayzler attacks them
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 12:33:40 AM
Pity she has no personality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 02, 2019, 12:34:26 AM
Pity she has no personality.

You think? I like her 80s high school bully vibe. She’s been in NXT far too long.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 12:41:33 AM
Ha ha. Smackdown accidentally going to have a good show because it's everything that they can't normally do.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 12:42:35 AM
Poor Sami. Even when everyone else isn't there he's still the company whipping boy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 02, 2019, 12:45:14 AM
Ha ha. Smackdown accidentally going to have a good show because it's everything that they can't normally do.

Yeah it even works cus of Survivor Series!

Braun is a total chump.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 12:54:02 AM
Did they explain why Aiden English got pulled off commentary? I mean he's appalling but no worse than Renee.

Seeing Ciampa engaging with The Miz makes me feel very unusual.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 12:57:09 AM
Did they explain why Aiden English got pulled off commentary? I mean he's appalling but no worse than Renee.

Seeing Ciampa engaging with The Miz makes me feel very unusual.

Pat McAfee is associated with NXT... they seem to be playing it up as part of this NXT invasion. I'm expecting the night to end with TUE laying waste to everyone.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:01:23 AM
I love this account

(https://i.ibb.co/Zx2N17q/Screenshot-2019-11-02-Vince-Mc-Mahon-Googling-on-Twitter-WHO-THE-FUCK-IS-TOMATO-CHAMPA-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 01:02:45 AM
On reflection I am fine with Ciampa beating the shit out of The Miz.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 02, 2019, 01:04:30 AM
I’m just glad we all finally got the Ciampa/Miz microphone segment we’d been dreaming of for years.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:05:19 AM
If this show doesn't end up with HHH somehow burying everyone I will eat my hat.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:07:58 AM
Never want to see Miz wrestle, but always happy to see him lose.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 01:08:11 AM
I’m loving this commentary team. Pat oozes charisma. And Renee sounds far better than she ever did on Raw, probably because they’re actually letting her speak and show personality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:09:45 AM
Aye. Way better than the usual lot and way, way better now Pat is on. But I absolutely loathe Cory Graves so it's not that hard.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 01:10:48 AM
Daniel Bryan v Adam Cole is dream match stuff.

Good old murderous Saudis
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:11:11 AM
Not unhappy with this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 01:11:44 AM
This is great. Just hilarious how it takes 90% of the main roster to not be available to get a good show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 02, 2019, 01:13:39 AM
Honestly just leave them over there this rules
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:14:59 AM
Well it's only good because we're getting the NXT people in, which they would've had to do anyway at some point before Survivor Series. It's not like there's been any compelling angles or matches on this show. And as excited as I am to see Bryan/Cole I do expect it to end in a no contest after 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:15:13 AM
Plus added fun subplot that Smackdown execs should be watching this and thinking "Why are they burying our roster for the developmental show?"

If they don't have DB win and have rematch on NXT next week they are fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 01:15:19 AM
Will be fascinating to see how this does in the ratings. Will Brock have kept people at the beginning before all these NXT lads showed up?

Smart members of the Buffalo crowd seem well into it but they're by no means the majority.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:17:12 AM
I do like Rhea Ripley.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:17:21 AM
Hey. I spend more late nights on here than most watching this shit (combination of bad sleep patterns and alcoholism) and this is the first time most of us regular contributors are having a live chat about a show. It's a tiny sample but if it scales up then it could be a life-saver for them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 01:18:11 AM
Bang into Tegan Nox heeling it up, all three feet of her
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 02, 2019, 01:18:45 AM
Really enjoyed Carmella sat there hungover as Dana Brooke got battered. 4 stars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 01:19:56 AM
Renee just got smashed in the face by Sonya’s boot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:20:03 AM
Renee sounds genuinely pissed at getting kicked in the face. Which is understandable I guess.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:21:07 AM
Bang into Tegan Nox heeling it up, all three feet of her

Like Becky, she needs that pony tail  back to complete the look. It's her version of Jay White's beard for me. Just makes her look like a total star.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:22:07 AM
Shit they giving them 30 mins yeah?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 02, 2019, 01:23:13 AM
More like WWE Pantsdown, right?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 01:23:31 AM
Like Becky, she needs that pony tail  back to complete the look. It's her version of Jay White's beard for me. Just makes her look like a total star.

They're super hot on her for some reason - was going to have a huge push before she got injured in that match with... Rhea Ripley!

Delighted they're putting the NXT title on the line for absolutely no reason, what a show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:23:39 AM
Oh man... https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190437227777540096?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:24:58 AM
Oh god, Stephanie. MINUS FIVE STARS.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 02, 2019, 01:26:14 AM
The fellas at ringside and Stephanie on the ramp is it?

Defeat from the jaws of victory
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:26:30 AM
Oh god, Stephanie. MINUS FIVE STARS.

Every McMahon has a silver lining.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 01:26:32 AM
Ah Stephanie and a Saudi propaganda piece. We were doing so well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:27:21 AM
This match has been delayed so WWE can suck their own cock.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:33:09 AM
This match has been delayed so WWE can suck their own cock.

Ha ha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:36:37 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/x1Tj9HG/Screenshot-2019-11-02-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 01:43:19 AM
I wonder how Fox feels about all the NXT guys going over Smackdown while Pat plugs the USA Network.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:47:25 AM
I wonder how Fox feels about all the NXT guys going over Smackdown while Pat plugs the USA Network.

You could argue that all the A-list talent is on the plane but actually what this subtely reveals is that with Bryan and Sami (and Kevin) the guys in WWE main roster who most of us actually like are the one's who coincidentally would tell the Saudi's to go fuck themselves. Cesaro aside. If you haven't seen his video from Ireland he is so charming and charismatic as a human being... they missed such a trick with him. He could have been a megastar.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:50:55 AM
It's still amazing to think that Bryan was banned from wrestling for 3 years.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:53:11 AM
It's still amazing to think that Bryan was banned from wrestling for 3 years.

He will always be my fav.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 01:55:39 AM
And as excited as I am to see Bryan/Cole I do expect it to end in a no contest after 5 minutes.

Happy to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 02, 2019, 01:57:54 AM
Cracking match that but think they missed multipele tricks. Should have either had Bryan win to set up rematch on NXT or had Shawn interfere to at least tease a DB Shawn feud.

And here we go... it's the HHH show. It works I can't deny but I would have thrown in one more big twist.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 02, 2019, 02:21:08 AM
Smackdown looked like a great show tonight. I wanna see!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 02, 2019, 08:12:35 AM
It really was, purely because of a unique set of circumstances. That's the sad thing, it'll be status quo next week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 02, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Shocked that it was a Vince show. He's still got it!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 02:41:13 PM
What was Meltzer talking about then when he said the Saudi situation had nothing to do with mechanical issues? Every other reporter, plus WWE, and the airline, have all said it was a mechanical issue.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on November 02, 2019, 02:58:44 PM
Well, on f4w it has the airline company's statement without contradicting it:

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WWE had Atlas Air release this statement regarding the flight last night: “A chartered WWE passenger flight operated by Atlas Air is currently delayed in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia due to a mechanical issue. The flight was scheduled to depart at 0300 local time on November 1. Our top priority is always to ensure our passengers arrive safely and on time at their destination. The aircraft is being repaired and will be inspected and certified before returning to service to transport our passengers to their final destination. We regret that operational disruptions delayed the flight and apologize to our passengers who were inconvenienced.”
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 05:12:42 PM
Shocked that it was a Vince show. He's still got it!

It was Vince's show in that he was in charge with final approval (as always) but the show's structure was apparently suggested by Triple H.

What was Meltzer talking about then when he said the Saudi situation had nothing to do with mechanical issues? Every other reporter, plus WWE, and the airline, have all said it was a mechanical issue.

I think he was responding to some messages he got from the workers over there. A number of talent have had tweets suggesting they were upset by the experience whatever the cause was.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 02, 2019, 05:54:01 PM
It was Vince's show in that he was in charge with final approval (as always) but the show's structure was apparently suggested by Triple H.

I think he was responding to some messages he got from the workers over there. A number of talent have had tweets suggesting they were upset by the experience whatever the cause was.

From the tweets I saw it just seemed like general annoyance of a cancelled flight and being stuck in another country in a hotel room for an extra 24 hours. But in videos that were shared the wrestlers still seemed to be goofing around and stuff.

Meltzer's wording made it sound kind of ominous.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 02, 2019, 06:16:00 PM
What doesn't make sense is how they couldn't just find some commercial flight for high priority people? How much time did they have to do it?

It's all very weird.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 02, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
that Elite match on AEW was the first time I’ve found any of their stuff a bit daft since the launch. Between everyone being in the ring constantly and the spot with the other three fellas walking round dead on their feet like the end of mortal kombat. Wasn’t mad on it at all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 02, 2019, 06:49:36 PM
It was Vince's show in that he was in charge with final approval (as always) but the show's structure was apparently suggested by Triple H

Triple H suggests a structure which benefits Triple H?  I'm shocked.

To be fair though, it WAS a good show and it does demonstrate that NXT are developing good talent.

Tommaso Ciampa and Adam Cole came across as equals to their Smackdown counterparts, but I think the work of Miz and Bryan should be equally well rewarded - I expect it from the latter two on a regular basis, but Miz's mic work was particularly good in selling Ciampa.  Both matches were solid.

This really was how a good wrestling show - especially one with an 'invasion' angle, forced or not - should be run.

Gives WWE more options at Survivor Series as well.  Maybe that was the point?  Don't know, don't care, good show.

THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BETTER THIS FOR ME IS IF HULK HOGAN CAME OUT AT SURVIVOR SERIES AND SAID "BROTHER", WHILST LOOKING LONGINGLY AT TRIPLE H.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 07:03:07 PM
The Brock to Raw move is apparently official and permanent. Wonder how Fox feel about that as they wanted real fighters like Ronda, Brock and Velasquez and now have none of them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 02, 2019, 07:38:06 PM
Source?

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 02, 2019, 07:40:51 PM
The Brock to Raw move is apparently official and permanent. Wonder how Fox feel about that as they wanted real fighters like Ronda, Brock and Velasquez and now have none of them.

He's not going to be around very much anyway. Wyatt is on Smackdown and he's Universal Champion now. Wonder if they'll change it to blue.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 08:04:34 PM
Source?

Meltzer/Alvarez.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 02, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
Caught up on the full episode of Dynamite from this week. Probably my favourite so far, as there was a lot more focus on storylines, promos, brawls, backstage segments, interviews and it had a fairly unique style. More of that, yes sir!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 02, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
Yeah, Dynamite was ace again. Cody/Jericho feud has been absolutely brilliant and their contract signing was just more greatness. Both Cody and Jericho are the best characters in wrestling now, imo, and in Jericho's case it's not even close. He's in rarefied air currently. Also really enjoyed Proud-N-Powerful's beatdown of both the Rock-N-Rolls and the Young Bucks. The Inner Circle are really doing what they can to come across as true heels. Was surprised SCU won the tag titles but it seems to be in service of trying to make Scorpio Sky a star. I thought the ending of that match came off a bit anti-climactic with the flash pinfall and no bell for the timekeeper to ring so it was just oddly silent. Have a feeling PnP will be unseating SCU for the titles fairly quickly anyway.

This WWE/Saudi story seems pretty nuts. Hugo Savinovich did an interview where he apparently claimed the Saudis owe WWE for this show just gone AND the previous show, so Vince pulled the TV feed to Saudi Arabia which in turn caused the plane "mechanical issues" which kept most of the roster stranded an extra day. Will be interesting to see what more comes out. Meltzer saying lots of talent have lost respect for Vince and if it's true he got into an argument with the Saudis and then jetted off, leaving his wrestlers behind well, yeah, the boys would have a reason to be pretty fucking miffed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 02, 2019, 09:26:12 PM
Imagine having any respect for Vince to lose. He has always treated his wrestlers like shit. If you go to WWE it should only be about the money. They do not care about your wellbeing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 02, 2019, 09:27:29 PM
It does all make WWE's next Saudi show a lot more interesting at least.

Finally catching up with this week's dynamite now
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 02, 2019, 11:40:02 PM
I loved Smackdown too. Highlighted the NXT talent in a big way, but I'm nervous they won't stick the landing. Triple H and Shawn waited until Lesnar left before bringing in the NXT gang. Would be funny if Brock eats them all on Monday.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 02, 2019, 11:47:45 PM
Another interesting note to this Saudi story is that many high-profile WWE execs (including Dunn, Steph and HHH) sold a shit-load of stock a few months ago... not long after the previous Saudi show and around the time it would have been clear that no payment for that show was forthcoming and the deal may be headed south. Now far be it from me to imply that rich executives could ever entertain the idea of insider trading but I do find it interesting, timing-wise.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 03, 2019, 12:39:54 AM
I loved Smackdown too. Highlighted the NXT talent in a big way, but I'm nervous they won't stick the landing. Triple H and Shawn waited until Lesnar left before bringing in the NXT gang. Would be funny if Brock eats them all on Monday.

According to PWTorch, the NXT charter flight didn't land until 7:55pm and had a police escort to the arena. They just got their in time for the Shayna segment. I guess that explains why Heyman was stalling for ages and why they aired the full WWE title match from Crown Jewel.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 03, 2019, 01:01:09 AM
Fucking LOL.

https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1190120051816509440?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 03, 2019, 09:06:52 AM
Hell yeah Hiromu’s back and as insane as ever
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 03, 2019, 11:07:32 AM
Hell yeah Hiromu’s back and as insane as ever

Hiromuuuuuuuuuu. I am in love again. And just like that I am 90% more invested in NJPW. I've been a bit down on them this year, not feeling the Naito/Ibushi or Okada/Sanada rivalries which have taken up much of the year but the Wrestle Kingdom shows are shaping up to be predictably awesome. Hiromu/Ospreay and Okada/Ibushi on Night One with Jericho/Tanahashi also announced for Night 2.

I will be terrified watching Hiromu's return match. I, erm, don't think he has any intention of being less insane in the ring. Hopefully it stays on the right side of fun and doesn't devolve into recent Naito (and occasional Ibushi) stuff where I can't actually enjoy it because I'm too scared that a neck is about to break.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 03, 2019, 12:36:12 PM
Meltzer reporting that WWE never got paid for its last Saudi show, but then just hours before Crown Jewel received a mysterious $60 mil payment. Vince was apparently pissed off with the Saudis and this ended with Crown Jewel airing on a 40 minute delay in Saudi Arabia (where it was meant to air live).

Hugo Savanovich on his podcast also said that WWE are owed money for past Saudi shows and that this was the cause of tension between Vince and the Saudis. Hugo also mentioned Vince cutting the feed in Saudi, and that this is apparently why the Saudis grounded the flight, in a power play.

Meltzer and Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful both reported that talent were being asked by WWE to record videos saying it was a mechanical fault with the plane.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on November 03, 2019, 12:48:00 PM
Ace, I hope this bullshit falls apart

WWE should be booking organically, not being greedy with fuckin dirty blood money
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 03, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Sounds like the Saudi's were deliberately withholding the money to ensure WWE didn't back out of future shows. If that's how it was intended then it seems dumb as fuck cos how many of those wrestlers are gonna be wanting to head back in April...

Meltzer's report does make Vince sound a little bit better in that he likely left before it was known there would be trouble. Probably should've waited around in case but it makes a bit more sense. He's a total cunt but leaving everyone else stuck there and looking horrible seems like a different kind of cunt to his usual behaviour.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 03, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
I had all the spoilers for Power struggle but watching it in real time any way. So much to love but the actual video package for Hiromu's return with all the Daryls was amazing. Mad bastard.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on November 03, 2019, 06:43:24 PM
I turned AEW on ITV4 midway through the Best Friends tie-in with Rick & Morty and just couldn't take anything seriously. Looked like a gigantic jerk off. Even when Jericho and Cody - who I like - came out for their signing angle, I was still completely out of the zone. Also Kenny is looking, week by week, like a massive fucking goof. I hate to sound like Jim Cornette (also in the news for being a dickhead this week) but they don't half undermine themselves sometimes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 03, 2019, 08:56:05 PM
I turned AEW on ITV4 midway through the Best Friends tie-in with Rick & Morty and just couldn't take anything seriously. Looked like a gigantic jerk off. Even when Jericho and Cody - who I like - came out for their signing angle, I was still completely out of the zone. Also Kenny is looking, week by week, like a massive fucking goof. I hate to sound like Jim Cornette (also in the news for being a dickhead this week) but they don't half undermine themselves sometimes.

It was by far my least favourite episode so far. Thought the Shanna match was weak, didn’t like the Best Friends stuff at all and thought the crowd reactions and commentary all seemed a bit off as well. As I mentioned earlier, I didn’t mind the Elite coming out dressed as they were but couldn’t get into the match because there’s always about 4 people in the ring at any given time. Liked the main event (finish aside) and the Jericho/Cody stuff continues to be excellent.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 03, 2019, 10:30:56 PM
I rewatched a bit of Dynamite on ITV and it's really edited to pieces on there isn't it? Lots of bits cut out and the sound is fucked. You could hardly hear the crowd on the ITV version, compared to the TNT broadcast were they were really loud. For example, Hangman got a massive pop this week, loud Hangman chants... it was really muted on the ITV broadcast.

I really enjoyed the episode though, not as good as the week before, and the first week where I've preferred NXT, but still fun. I was really impressed with Shanna (can't believe she's 37), and all the Inner Circle stuff throughout the night tied things together nicely. Ace promo from Moxley too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 04, 2019, 01:54:57 AM
Hell yeah Hiromu’s back and as insane as ever

I've been thinking about this all day. Everything about that return was utterly mental. The timebomb video, the entrance, the competely pointless but utterly hilarious bumps he took (exposing the business Cornette fans?) then the promo, the neck stand with Osprey assisting him with the mic, the hug and then licking the belt. It was utterly batshit. The only real thing now is that when he inevitably dies in the ring it's more guilt free as it's not like he hasn't been warned. Unless he is genuinely insane and it's not a gimmick then he just needs help. Will be tuning in mind to find out mind.

Re: ITV AEW. I watch on Fite so have just been sticking the ITV Hub show on at some point in the week just to give the ratings a bump. Haven't actually sat through a single ITV broadcast of the show yet. Hope the ratings are good enough for ITV to continue to take interest.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 04, 2019, 02:07:51 AM
I rewatched a bit of Dynamite on ITV and it's really edited to pieces on there isn't it? Lots of bits cut out and the sound is fucked. You could hardly hear the crowd on the ITV version, compared to the TNT broadcast were they were really loud. For example, Hangman got a massive pop this week, loud Hangman chants... it was really muted on the ITV broadcast.

Giving something so authentic and entertaining to ITV was a big mistake on AEW’s part. ITV are the antithesis of well-produced television.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: sevendaughters on November 04, 2019, 05:24:17 PM
Power Struggle was really good. Some super angles, very good matches, and just reminds you that NJPW in many respects are still game leaders even though their thunder has been stolen a bit.

I also watched the Kento Miyahara vs. Jake Lee match for the AJPW Triple Crown from a couple of weeks back. Brilliant match. Best anywhere since the G1.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 04, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
Two of my faves.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIiigH8XkAIUmrV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 04, 2019, 09:20:14 PM
Notes from the Reddit insider dude (he's been correct a lot recently, including calling the Cain debut on Smackdown a few weeks back):

Quote
-A meeting was held before RAW to discuss Wrestler’s issues during and after the Saudi trip.

-Talent relations discussed “speculation” by wrestlers on social media created a dilemma for the company, wrestlers were assured it was a “mechanical issue”, wrestlers were discouraged from speculation about the issues.

-Vince McMahon and the Prince rumored argument was not discussed

-Seth spoke to the talent, was said to be an awkward speech attempting to unify the locker room, lots of talk about how every wrestler is a part of a team and encouraged keeping grievances and speculations off social media. Some felt Seth was being forced into a position that doesn’t fit him and he is not comfortable with.

-Talent were given a chance to ask questions, there were none. and i was told the situation felt unresolved, many are tired and burn out feeling is high.

-As aside, Cain earned everyones respect, heard nothing but high praise for him all over for everything he went through this week with positive attitude.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 04, 2019, 09:24:05 PM
I rewatched a bit of Dynamite on ITV and it's really edited to pieces on there isn't it? Lots of bits cut out and the sound is fucked. You could hardly hear the crowd on the ITV version, compared to the TNT broadcast were they were really loud. For example, Hangman got a massive pop this week, loud Hangman chants... it was really muted on the ITV broadcast.
Ah fuck, really? I've been watching there instead of just torrenting to give them whatever little numbers boost, was kind of confused how people were going on about crowds being amazing when I was like "they're alright, yeah, hardly Hogan vs Rock though is it?"
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on November 04, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
Notes from the Reddit insider dude (he's been correct a lot recently, including calling the Cain debut on Smackdown a few weeks back):

-Talent were given a chance to ask questions, there were none. and i was told the situation felt unresolved, many are tired and burn out feeling is high.


If true, the fuck is wrong with em
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 04, 2019, 09:29:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIjwENxWwAMqmrp?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 04, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
Ah fuck, really? I've been watching there instead of just torrenting to give them whatever little numbers boost, was kind of confused how people were going on about crowds being amazing when I was like "they're alright, yeah, hardly Hogan vs Rock though is it?"

The difference is definitely noticeable. I usually download the TNT stream first, then rewatch bits on ITV later in the week, and it's usually edited to pieces, with the audio especially sounding off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 04, 2019, 09:33:35 PM
Imagine Seth telling the boys (and women) to keep grievances off social media... not to mention the fact he's lecturing (or team-building) them despite the fact HE'D ALREADY LEFT AND DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE SITUATION.

I think we've all worked with a Seth type before. I don't think many of us have respected that Seth type.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 04, 2019, 09:37:36 PM
That press release is weird, isn't it? The deal was already said to be for 10 years and they already hold two events there per year. So what exactly are they announcing?

Oh, I get it. It's just a press release to calm share holders isn't it? To say, hey, look, things are FINE between us and Saudi.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 04, 2019, 09:41:25 PM
That press release is weird, isn't it? The deal was already said to be for 10 years and they already hold two events there per year. So what exactly are they announcing?

Oh, I get it. It's just a press release to calm share holders isn't it? To say, hey, look, things are FINE between us and Saudi.

Probably just there to quell investor fears.

EDIT: Ah, you edited before my response went through. Yes, EVERYTHING'S FINE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: amateur on November 04, 2019, 10:33:33 PM
That press release is weird, isn't it? The deal was already said to be for 10 years and they already hold two events there per year. So what exactly are they announcing?

Oh, I get it. It's just a press release to calm share holders isn't it? To say, hey, look, things are FINE between us and Saudi.

I believe the original deal was for one event per year, even though they did two in the first one. But yeah, it's more business kayfabe.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 04, 2019, 10:35:03 PM
Can't imagine why anyone thinks Seth Rollins is not cool.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 05, 2019, 08:39:12 AM
Is there a more thin skinned man in wrestling than Seth?

(https://i.ibb.co/rQx367V/Screenshot-2019-11-05-Seth-Rollins-on-Twitter-And-lastly-davemeltzer-WON-you-re-at-best-a-purveyor-of-misinformation-or-at.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 05, 2019, 09:10:31 AM
So either Dave received and printed misinformation (and he is renowned for at the very least double-checking stuff he prints, so that would require two WWE workers to tell him wrong info re: Seth’s speech) OR Seth is denying something that all his work colleagues know actually happened and will thus come off as a lying toady.

I hope for Seth’s sake that Dave had the wrong end of the stick, otherwise.... yikes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 05, 2019, 09:14:34 AM
WWE are crafting a great heel with this Seth Rollins guy this year, aren't they?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 05, 2019, 12:04:49 PM
It seems to me like some of the wrestlers were frustrated and maybe didn’t buy that it was just a mechanical issue and aired those grievances to Meltzer, who then took that to mean “it definitely isn’t a mechanical issue” even though the boys were just speculating.

Anyway, the Becky and Shayna segment on Raw was ace. The rest meh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 05, 2019, 12:18:37 PM
The Saudis payments were behind. The show was delayed in Saudi. Both planes flying people out were grounded. There's too many 'concidences'.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 05, 2019, 12:46:43 PM
For someone who hates smarks, Rollins is doing the most smarky thing by trashing Meltzer for wholly inaccurate reasons. This man is supposed to be representing the company and he's throwing bitchfits about a journalist on Twitter. No wonder he's all in with Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 05, 2019, 08:20:15 PM
The Saudis payments were behind. The show was delayed in Saudi. Both planes flying people out were grounded. There's too many 'concidences'.
I wonder if any of it was actually to do with the womens match... show delayed so they could be 100% sure they could censor whatever they didn't like, flights delayed due to heightened security checks? Vince having his mouth stuffed with cash to keep quiet. Maybe I'm overestimating the shittiness of KSA...

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 05, 2019, 09:42:53 PM
I know it’s a competitive category, but I’m struggling to think of someone who (be it booking or his own twitter nonsense) has fucked up as much as Rollins in recent years. Obviously, all the NXT call ups have been booked into oblivion but he was red hot at one point. I loved his feud with Cena and the triple threat with Lesnar at Royal Rumble. Even though he got a lot of stick for it, I also liked his heel run with J and J security. He’s unwatchable now though. Booked terribly and devoid of any personality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 05, 2019, 10:13:42 PM
This heel turn has gone too far...

(https://i.imgur.com/TwwQ2hF.png)

Also, Seth Rollins told Fightful that he never made a speech before Raw last night and that Meltzer is flat out wrong. Fightful said another unnamed source also told them Rollins made no speech.

https://www.cagesideseats.com/platform/amp/wwe/2019/11/5/20950442/seth-rollins-wwe-backstage-meeting-denies-speaking
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 05, 2019, 10:55:51 PM
I can compartmentalise the political beliefs of entertainers so long as they're not outwardly hateful with them. That said, gross, Jericho.

This Seth speech story is interesting. Seth says it didn't happen, Fightful say they have a source that corroborates that. Meanwhile, a Reddit user with credibility posted that Seth did give an awkward speech and Meltzer, who generally double-sources things before reporting, said pretty much the same. So one side clearly has lying sources. Fuck knows which side, though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 05, 2019, 10:59:30 PM
Yeah that really sucks. You can't say you're non-partisan when you give a voice to a Trump. He's promoting his book about triggering lefties... come the fuck on.

Oh well #heat

Meltzer apologised to Seth. Boo!

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1191852297359220736?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 05, 2019, 11:07:57 PM
The Saudi stuff almost definitely seems to have more stuff to it, but I do believe Rollins here in that he didn't give a speech. And as Mobius said, Meltzer has now apologised, so he must have realised he got bad info (or he just took that Reddit dude's post as legit seeing as the guy had correct info in the past).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 06, 2019, 12:24:44 AM
I don't know if they would be my thing live as I am too much of a miserable twat when surrounded by excited crowds but my these Schadenfreude and friends shows in Manchester look like a whole lot of fun. It Chris Brookes and Aussie Open organising it all in the Frog and Bucket to a crowd of a couple of hundred but it looks like everyone involved is having a great time. Not recorded to you have to be there and tonight featured Tyler Bate again and surprise guest ZSJ. You know Maki Itoh is going to make it over eventually and when she does make it to these shores her and Brookes taging will be the biggest pop for those who care in a long while. Brookes really does look like he is absolutely loving life at the moment.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 06, 2019, 01:12:21 AM
MJF is doing guest commentary on AEW Dark this week and it’s already delightful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 06, 2019, 07:23:07 AM
MJF is doing guest commentary on AEW Dark this week and it’s already delightful.

I’m 5 minutes in and love it already. God he’s great

Edit - this woman’s match is rough.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 06, 2019, 07:49:37 AM
I take that back, definitely improved as it progressed. Sadie Gibbs has a lot of potential
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 06, 2019, 08:23:03 AM
I like Shaun Spears. Got into NXT around when he feuded with Bobby Roode and the 10 gimmick was at its peak. He’s quite dull in ring though, think he’s better as a face but that attack was nice and nasty and Tully adds another element to him. The cut to a smiling Tony Shiavone wishing everyone a nice day was funny.

Hope Luchasaurus comes back soon. Not a big Marko Stunt fan.

Jimmy Havoc seems like a nice guy but the goth gimmick is a bit shit.

That Britt Baker package was cool, showed some personality. Bea Priestly nearly killed Mayu Iwatani the other day.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Chapwithwings on November 06, 2019, 08:53:31 AM
I don't know if they would be my thing live as I am too much of a miserable twat when surrounded by excited crowds but my these Schadenfreude and friends shows in Manchester look like a whole lot of fun. It Chris Brookes and Aussie Open organising it all in the Frog and Bucket to a crowd of a couple of hundred but it looks like everyone involved is having a great time. Not recorded to you have to be there and tonight featured Tyler Bate again and surprise guest ZSJ. You know Maki Itoh is going to make it over eventually and when she does make it to these shores her and Brookes taging will be the biggest pop for those who care in a long while. Brookes really does look like he is absolutely loving life at the moment.

Definitely worth doing if you can get a ticket.  Been to two of the three shows tonight (plus one to go tonight), and most of the old Tuesday Night Graps shows they ran in the wake of the Lucha Forever fiasco.  The nearest I can describe it to is Vic and Bob running a wrestling show.  But with more murder.

Last night's main event was a cage match tribute to the film Battle Royale.  But with cling film wrapped about ten foot high around the ring rather than a metal cage.  Utterly barking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: NJ Uncut on November 06, 2019, 12:04:19 PM
The Saudi stuff almost definitely seems to have more stuff to it, but I do believe Rollins here in that he didn't give a speech. And as Mobius said, Meltzer has now apologised, so he must have realised he got bad info (or he just took that Reddit dude's post as legit seeing as the guy had correct info in the past).

I wonder where the Rollins thing even came from? Big Dave isn't gonna make it up himself.

I'm wondering if Seth has colleagues who basically want to smear him. Or that Reddit fella did the same groundlessly (or if he had a source or what)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 06, 2019, 12:25:07 PM
I like Shaun Spears. Got into NXT around when he feuded with Bobby Roode and the 10 gimmick was at its peak. He’s quite dull in ring though, think he’s better as a face but that attack was nice and nasty and Tully adds another element to him. The cut to a smiling Tony Shiavone wishing everyone a nice day was funny.

Hope Luchasaurus comes back soon. Not a big Marko Stunt fan.

Jimmy Havoc seems like a nice guy but the goth gimmick is a bit shit.

That Britt Baker package was cool, showed some personality. Bea Priestly nearly killed Mayu Iwatani the other day.

They should show that Britt Baker promo on TV. It was very good and really put over her finisher.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 06, 2019, 12:42:54 PM
They should show that Britt Baker promo on TV. It was very good and really put over her finisher.

Yeah, that promo needs to be on Dynamite. Really added some depth and edge to Britt's character. They should be doing 1 or 2 vids like that on every Dynamite for the lesser known talent. I've said it before but the first season of Lucha Underground, in particular, was great for little vignettes that got talent over quickly.

Haven't seen Bea nearly killing Mayu - was it Bea's fault? I thought the Britt promo was just making a feud from an accident but if Bea's hurting people everywhere then maybe she's just unsafe? Haven't seen enough of her work to judge.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 06, 2019, 12:48:43 PM
Haven't seen Bea nearly killing Mayu - was it Bea's fault? I thought the Britt promo was just making a feud from an accident but if Bea's hurting people everywhere then maybe she's just unsafe? Haven't seen enough of her work to judge.

She slipped off the top rope during a hurricanrana spot. Not really her fault, although I guess you could say her footing was bad.

In other news, Orton has signed a new 5-year deal with WWE. I bet he got some extra 0s on his contracts from all the AEW teasing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: BeardFaceMan on November 06, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
AEW should air those promos to the live crowd during commercial breaks, because they mostly just let the crowd sit there in silence for a few minutes. Keep them interested and keep them popping.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: boki on November 06, 2019, 03:17:37 PM
Brookes really does look like he is absolutely loving life at the moment.

I definitely need to check out more of his stuff - I'd never heard of him before seeing this match (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO6jcvVYbKM) and immediately became obvious that the guy's a star.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on November 06, 2019, 09:53:36 PM
Give us a cheeky little review of Schadenfreude and Friends when you get back from the show, Chapwithwings. Woo cheeky cheeky.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 07, 2019, 12:18:13 AM
Apparently the official premiere of WWE Backstage got just 49,000 viewers on FS1 last night. Something tells me Punk is getting a call soon.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 07, 2019, 04:51:16 AM
Love this photo from NXT tonight. It's a bit of a spoiler so I just posted the link.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIuxbJgUcAAW9Zl?format=jpg&name=small (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIuxbJgUcAAW9Zl?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 07, 2019, 07:20:22 AM
Apparently the official premiere of WWE Backstage got just 49,000 viewers on FS1 last night. Something tells me Punk is getting a call soon.

You mean people don't want to watch Booker T and Ryan Satin suck corporate cock? How shocking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Chapwithwings on November 07, 2019, 07:34:43 AM
Give us a cheeky little review of Schadenfreude and Friends when you get back from the show, Chapwithwings. Woo cheeky cheeky.

Thanks Lykos. :)

Shambolic, ridiculous 80s tribute.  Ends with lots of murder.  Brookes and Fletcher running about dressed like Sonny Crockett, going pew pew with finger guns. Inflatables. Santos on a pole. Lucky Kid in drag. Oh, and David Starr turned up for an unannounced 'proper' match against Joe Nelson to open the show.

It seems to have replaced Attack as the outlet for the CCK creative madness, but far more deliberately shambolic and Big Night Out-ish.

Meanwhile, Ryan Satin - how long before he gets Helwani'ed and fired for scoops the management don't like?  (Based on the ratings, I give him a fortnight...)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 07, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
You mean people don't want to watch Booker T and Ryan Satin suck corporate cock? How shocking.

But 49k mate, that’s absurd.

Jericho’s video package on AEW last night was legitimately funny as fuck.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 07, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
Yeah properly brilliant that was.

Fun brawl at the end too.

NXT was excellent as well
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 07, 2019, 10:29:50 AM
Dynamite was fucking EXCELLENT tonight. Private Party continue to get over as stars. Pac and Trent (for God's sake give him back his surname) was very fun. The Spears and Women's Tag matches were okay, mostly just there. However, the Cody promo, the Jericho video and that episode-ending brawl were all magnificent. How the fuck did Cody become one of the best promos and biggest faces in the business? Nobody called that. He has willed himself into being a total star. Imagine a Cody vs. Jericho feud three years ago in WWE vs. what we've got in AEW. Is it feud of the year? It alone has had three segments I'd consider near-classics (two from this week and the concession stand brawl from a few weeks ago) and the contract signing was close to that claim as well.

The Jericho video was genuinely fucking funny ("I don't know about GOATs because I'm not a farmer... but Chris Jericho is the greatest of all-time.") while also preserving his character. It wasn't just for comedy's sake - you can believe this Jericho character would think that vid was a sick burn on Cody's sincere video from weeks ago. FITE TV viewers also got to witness some great mic-work from Jericho during a commercial, where he brought up Katie Vick, much to the delight and horror of JR and Tony Schiavone.

The ending brawl was exceedingly fun and Nick Jackson's big dive felt like the kinda thing that will be replayed as a big company moment for years to come. Hager is also coming across perfectly in his role thus far. Intrigued that Cody mentioned The Elite and Inner Circle will eventually fight and it will be a "Match Beyond" which was a nickname for WarGames. I assume he hasn't got the rights back from WWE - I wonder if they can get away with just calling it a Match Beyond?

Anyway, I am so happy after watching that. Week after week this show is just so FUN.

EDIT TO ADD: Also, when I first saw him, Sammy Guevara seemed like a decent wrestler with a bit of a bland personality. Teaming him up with Jericho has been a masterstroke. You can see the charisma and confidence really kicking in as he finds his feet in this role and in a very short time I've gone from not caring about him to being excited when he shows up on screen. THIS is how you make stars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on November 07, 2019, 11:19:16 AM
Would be very funny if NXT’s throw shit at a wall approach, bringing AJ fucking Styles to NXT, gives them  not an ounce of a bump in the ratings.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 07, 2019, 12:24:02 PM
Would be very funny if NXT’s throw shit at a wall approach, bringing AJ fucking Styles to NXT, gives them  not an ounce of a bump in the ratings.

It's not really throwing shit at the wall, it's the build for the Raw/Smackdown vs. NXT at Survivor Series.

Just watched Cody's promo. Holy mama! That's one for the ages. The ending brawl was a lot of fun too. Dynamite just keeps improving.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 07, 2019, 12:33:56 PM
I think wrestling might have peaked with that Jericho video package. Fantastic and the most I've genuinely laughed out loud at wrestling in forever.

What a perfect, top to bottom go-home show for Dynamite. I don't think there was a weak point in the whole show, some great matches (the best women's match so far... Shanna and Jamie Hayter are really good!), an incredibly heartfelt Cody promo, a hilarious Jericho video, insane brawl, and everything was building towards Full Gear. Even the Brandi video was good.

Can't wait for Saturday night!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: kitsofan34 on November 07, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
It's not really throwing shit at the wall, it's the build for the Raw/Smackdown vs. NXT at Survivor Series.

Just watched Cody's promo. Holy mama! That's one for the ages. The ending brawl was a lot of fun too. Dynamite just keeps improving.

That’s true, but they’re bringing NXT Uk people over, Cruiser-weights over, Finn balor over.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 07, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
That’s true, but they’re bringing NXT Uk people over, Cruiser-weights over, Finn balor over.

That feels more like them showcasing the range of talent under the NXT umbrella, while Balor was floundering a bit on the main roster. I don't really see NXT UK and the 205 lads bringing many more eyeballs to the show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: BeardFaceMan on November 07, 2019, 05:47:43 PM
How fucking over is Orange Cassidy? Not that he seems to be bothered, mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 07, 2019, 09:25:58 PM
"Chris Jericho, at 48, is the youngest champion in AEW history"

Hard to argue against, and this is why it's the best show around.

All about the promos.

Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 07, 2019, 09:28:00 PM
"Chris Jericho, at 48, is the youngest champion in AEW history"

Hard to argue against.

There was so many good lines in that video.

"I knew ever since Christopher was 12 years old he'd grow up to become AEW Champion."
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 07, 2019, 09:31:36 PM
There was so many good lines in that video.

"I knew ever since Christopher was 12 years old he'd grow up to become AEW Champion."

Another great line, when you follow the logic of it )
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 07, 2019, 09:37:12 PM
The cuts to a staring Jake Hagar was amusing too. And Jericho giving Sammy a kiss.

Properly laugh out loud hilarious. Jericho is the GOAT.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 07, 2019, 09:41:17 PM
I should point out that I'm only half-way through Dynamite and Jake Hager is staring at me mid-promo.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 07, 2019, 09:44:50 PM
Who's the old lady doing DVD promos?

I hope it's Jack Swagger's mom.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 07, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
Jesus christ AEW is good, isn't it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 07, 2019, 11:43:11 PM
Both show ratings back up, but NXT especially better. Looks like the invasion storyline has helped them.


(https://i.ibb.co/94bQxqv/Screenshot-2019-11-07-Bryan-Alvarez-on-Twitter-AEW-822-000-NXT-813-000-Twitter.png)


EDIT: This was last week's for comparison:

(https://i.ibb.co/pLVFwgD/Screenshot-2019-10-31-5-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Golden E. Pump on November 08, 2019, 12:20:42 AM
How is Jericho still entertaining me this much after over 20 years?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: confettiinmyhair on November 08, 2019, 08:11:10 AM
I can appreciate the Cody promo and Moxley's the other week, but for me the promo work on NWA Power is still leading the way. When did Nick Aldiss get so good on the mic? Eli Drake is consistently smooth.

NWA is the true underdog in the current federation wars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Moribunderast on November 08, 2019, 11:43:18 AM
I can appreciate the Cody promo and Moxley's the other week, but for me the promo work on NWA Power is still leading the way. When did Nick Aldiss get so good on the mic? Eli Drake is consistently smooth.

NWA is the true underdog in the current federation wars.

I find it enjoyable but, for me, it's just too much a bit of cosplay. It's ironic Cornette bemoans the Omegas and Bucks of the world for making wrestling look "fake" and a "joke" because NWA Powerrr, much as I like it, just comes off as a very well done pastiche or parody. That being said, I remember watching TNA ten years ago and being stunned WWE weren't all over Aldis (and the Motor City Machine Guns, who should have been Edge & Christian big, but that's my issue...)

I rewatched the Cody promo tonight and god damn... that was good shit. My house mate doesn't watch wrestling but has seen enough via me taking over the lounge room to watch it and he saw both the Cody and Jericho things from Dynamite. His reaction to Cody was: "Cody fucking Rhodes!" and his reaction to the Jericho stuff was laughter, mainly at Jake Hager's staring face. He also walked in during Pac's match and loved Pac: "Well he's a scary looking fucker, isn't he?"

I base every opinion on what can draw the "casual" viewer in on my housemates reactions when he's in the room. So the draws are: Cody, Jericho, Moxley, Private Party, PAC. He thinks Omega is a wanker. His faves in WWE/NXT are/were: Asuka (HUGE Asuka fan) Reigns, Ambrose, Jeff Hardy and that's about it. He hates Orton, Corbin and Charlotte.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 09, 2019, 01:08:02 AM
Been mega busy at work so not watched any grapples this week. So fuck it... Smackdown here we go. It's going to be dogshit isn't it? #nospoilers.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 09, 2019, 01:15:54 AM
Been mega busy at work so not watched any grapples this week. So fuck it... Smackdown here we go. It's going to be dogshit isn't it? #nospoilers.

Yes but it’s pretaped, so they’ll edit the boos.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 09, 2019, 01:24:26 AM
It's dogshit. Back to normal. I will watch for at least the next half hour just in case but last week was an aberation, yeah?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 09, 2019, 01:30:19 AM
I hate the frame rate Smackdown is shot in.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 09, 2019, 01:40:51 AM
WALTER on the show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 09, 2019, 01:57:53 AM
I hate the frame rate Smackdown is shot in.

It's irrelevent when you watch it on snide feed. Fuck giving Vince a cent of my money. This show is awful though. Uttelry dull. No trainwreck yet just boring as fuck. The exact opposite of last week.

One observation is why the fuck Meltzer claims the TV companies are interested in the demos when all the advertising is for medical companies advertising at ill cunts. Even the most unhealthy under 49 year old cunt can probably last to an age where they don't need these drugs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 09, 2019, 02:25:59 AM
Far to generous. This show is utterly terrible.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 09, 2019, 02:39:17 AM
He thinks Omega is a wanker. His faves in WWE/NXT are/were: Asuka (HUGE Asuka fan)

Good lad.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 09, 2019, 02:42:59 AM
This show is utterly terrible.

It really is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 09, 2019, 02:46:27 AM
Good work.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI5gBv5W4AAh5U5?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 09, 2019, 03:04:57 AM
Tonight I watched a hard Russian thug fight against what I think was supposed to be a French mime artist, and it was surprisingly decent.

I was enjoying the match anyway - both seem to be good rasslers - but it's clear that they're not getting the recognition that they deserve from the crowd, so now they're doing all sorts of gay kissing poses with each other, which I can only attribute to shits and giggles.

Ilja Dragunov vs Cara Noir on Progress, if you're interested. 
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 09, 2019, 03:08:10 AM
Sorry, keep forgetting that one of the WWE shows has moved to a Friday.

No idea which one.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: weekender on November 09, 2019, 03:09:54 AM
Holy fuck, 3am?  The fucking fireworks have really fucked me over this year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 09, 2019, 04:45:11 AM
Really boring Smackdown. Closing with a Baron Corbin win.. cus people loved it so much last time..

AEW Dark was a bit dull too (“it’s free!!!)

Looking forward to Full Gear.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 09, 2019, 05:27:14 PM
Another ace Darby promo: https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1193192773534572544?s=20

Really excited for Full Gear tonight!

I wrote some predictions up for Digital Spy: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a29498040/aew-full-gear-all-elite-wrestling-2019-matches-predictions-wwe/

I'm now doubting some of my choices though!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Deanjam on November 09, 2019, 05:49:22 PM
I have a surprising lack of interest in AEW. It's just not grabbed me yet. The Mox/Omega result not counting and the 'I'll never challenge for the title if I lose" stips have the sour taste of WWE's over-egging the cake. On the positive side, I did enjoy the chaotic end to Dynamite that managed to push all the major matches in one go, and PAC remains a firm favourite.

As to your predictions, I agree everywhere except the Bucks and Cody matches.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Shameless Custard on November 09, 2019, 06:43:06 PM
Watched my first episode of Dynamite earlier. Really enjoyed it.

The in ring stuff was decent, Jericho's video was genuinely funny, Cody's promo was great, and the brawl at the end was exciting and well executed

Blimey, the first full episode of a weekly wrestling show I've enjoyed in ten years or so

Deffo gonna check out the PPV and next week's episode, so fair fucks to 'em, job done
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 09, 2019, 07:03:31 PM
I have a surprising lack of interest in AEW. It's just not grabbed me yet. The Mox/Omega result not counting and the 'I'll never challenge for the title if I lose" stips have the sour taste of WWE's over-egging the cake. On the positive side, I did enjoy the chaotic end to Dynamite that managed to push all the major matches in one go, and PAC remains a firm favourite.

As to your predictions, I agree everywhere except the Bucks and Cody matches.

That's a shame that it hasn't really grabbed you yet. I'm properly loving it. The first couple of episodes I thought were very solid, but I think by week three I went from this "this very good" to "this is bloody ace," and it hasn't let up since.

As I said before, outside of any of the wrestling or angles or what have you, there is just an energy and atmosphere to AEW that I love. The shows feel alive and unpredictable and, weirdly, authentic.

I was at the Smackdown/Raw tapings last night (don't judge me, we bought the tickets ages ago before the product became ridiculously shit) and it was just... flat, for the most part. Outside of the NXT related stuff, or Becky and Owens (who received a monster pop which was nice to see/hear), it was just stale, repetitive, and at times, insulting.

It'll definitely be the last Raw and SD I go to for a long while. Hoping that AEW will do a show in the UK next year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: ads82 on November 09, 2019, 07:11:52 PM
I'm genuinely debating staying up for Full Gear tonight. I've not done this for a wrestling show since 1999.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 09, 2019, 07:30:10 PM
I'm genuinely debating staying up for Full Gear tonight. I've not done this for a wrestling show since 1999.

If it sways you, the Bucks said they're aware the previous PPVs ran too long and are aiming for 3.5 hours for the main show, 1 hour for the pre-show. So hopefully it won't go past 5am this time. No matter how good the wrestling is, any show that passes the 4 hour mark begins to be a slog.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: ads82 on November 09, 2019, 07:46:41 PM
If it sways you, the Bucks said they're aware the previous PPVs ran too long and are aiming for 3.5 hours for the main show, 1 hour for the pre-show. So hopefully it won't go past 5am this time. No matter how good the wrestling is, any show that passes the 4 hour mark begins to be a slog.

Thanks Ja'moke. Does that mean the main show starts at 1am?
I'll be giving your predictions article a read later on. Apart from the women's title I have no idea how the matches on this show will pan out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 09, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
A mate of mine from work is having a watch party for it tonight (luckily, I can watch it at a normal hour) but more than 3 hours is really stretching any event, really. You don't want people bored or tired for the main event.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 09, 2019, 08:08:53 PM
Thanks Ja'moke. Does that mean the main show starts at 1am?
I'll be giving your predictions article a read later on. Apart from the women's title I have no idea how the matches on this show will pan out.

Yep, pre-show at 12 am, main show at 1 am.

Solid promo from Bea Priestley: https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1193245621387313152
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: BeardFaceMan on November 09, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
It's amazing how things like booking that has consequences and continuity can make a difference to an episodic tv show. Who would have thunk it? AEW has been solid fun so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: peanutbutter on November 09, 2019, 09:27:03 PM
If it sways you, the Bucks said they're aware the previous PPVs ran too long and are aiming for 3.5 hours for the main show, 1 hour for the pre-show. So hopefully it won't go past 5am this time. No matter how good the wrestling is, any show that passes the 4 hour mark begins to be a slog.
Why not aim for 3, that way any overrun won't already feel like a big chore
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 09, 2019, 10:01:43 PM
Why not aim for 3, that way any overrun won't already feel like a big chore

I guess the way they have it planned out is working out at 3 and half.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 09, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
Hrm? I’ve had a sleep but got a wedding tomorrow so in two minds about staying up. £19 is fairly steep too (to watch by myself). Don’t really want to watch it on snide but that price is pushing my loyalty. Could just watch NJPW or AAA instead.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 09, 2019, 11:43:18 PM
Hrm? I’ve had a sleep but got a wedding tomorrow so in two minds about staying up. £19 is fairly steep too (to watch by myself). Don’t really want to watch it on snide but that price is pushing my loyalty. Could just watch NJPW or AAA instead.

What are you watching it on?

It's £14.95 on ITV Box Office.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 12:14:20 AM
AEW tweeted that Britt will be wrestling despite a flu. After copping a load of shit, they’ve taken it down.

Wonder what the preshow (which is now live on YouTube if you didn’t know) will be

Edit - not to condone piracy but if it’s too pricey you can watch it free here .. http://taima.tv/
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 12:14:37 AM
What are you watching it on?

It's £14.95 on ITV Box Office.

Aye cheers. The Fite App was £19 but got it at  £15 on Fite desktop. Cheers.
 :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 12:17:26 AM
Was that Mono playing the Omega promo?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 12:18:13 AM
AEW tweeted that Britt will be wrestling despite a flu. After copping a load of shit, they’ve taken it down.

Wonder what the preshow (which is now live on YouTube if you didn’t know) will be

Edit - not to condone piracy but if it’s too pricey you can watch it free here .. http://taima.tv/

Slight correction, CODY tweeted that, which was very stupid of him.

I'm sure wrestlers wrestle sick a lot and no one cares or notices. But him saying Britt will be wrestling with the flu was obviously going to lead to people saying, 'well, that's unprofessional, eh?'

I get what he was trying to do, sell her as a "warrior" fighting through the pain. But he really should have thought about how people would react.

Anyway, pre-show on now. It's just a replay of the Countdown which was on YouTube so far, but glad they're getting more eyes on it. It's really well put together.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 12:33:10 AM
The stage with all the gears looks ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 12:36:17 AM
Another example of a wrestler whose haircut changes everything. She looks so much more badass with that straight hair. Great promo that. I think the mandible claw is hilarious though. By what logic do you not just bite their fingers off?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 12:49:25 AM
Another example of a wrestler whose haircut changes everything. She looks so much more badass with that straight hair. Great promo that. I think the mandible claw is hilarious though. By what logic do you not just bite their fingers off?

It's so painful it locks the jaw! (that's my Regal explanation)

That was probably Britt's best match so far. And she did with the flu.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 10, 2019, 12:52:06 AM
The stage with all the gears looks ace.

Unique PPV sets. Honestly, I could cry. This is giving me old school Backlash feelings.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 01:06:12 AM
I like it when they kickoff with an awesome tag match, like NXT
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 10, 2019, 01:09:20 AM
The ramp going right up to the ring, I love it. Reminds me of vintage WCW PPVs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 01:17:07 AM
Yeah big fan of the ramp.

This is surprisingly old school tag style for a Bucks match! I expect it to get insane soon!
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 01:30:17 AM
Good start. Who knew Nick was so good at selling?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 10, 2019, 01:32:09 AM
Good start. Who knew Nick was so good at selling?

Well, he was until he stopped, then started again.

That was a surprisingly methodical match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 10, 2019, 01:34:23 AM
Ricky Morton needs to get on 205 Live.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 01:35:04 AM
Ricky Morton needs to get on 205 Live.

Is that how old he is?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 10, 2019, 01:35:59 AM
Is that how old he is?

Nice.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 01:45:48 AM
JR is bad tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 10, 2019, 01:55:28 AM
Dare I say this has been a fairly dull show so far. Just a lumbering pace for everything, and the crowd seem to be waning a little bit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 01:59:00 AM
I just don't really dig the Hangman. Maybe he works better for American's with his cowboy stuff but I just find him very dry. Good match though with some nice mad bumps that definitely hurt more than they looked spectacular.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 01:59:21 AM
I would’t call it dull. I think people are maybe just accustomed to crazy fast paced action based on the weekly shows and so far they’ve given us more steady build matches.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 02:14:56 AM
Shite that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 02:35:39 AM
Fenix amazes me every match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 02:41:59 AM
The best I can say about this show is that I said ages ago that they need to build PPVs around one big match and have everyone else play undercard. I love a NJPW show where they have an undercard feel to earlier matches and any show is judged on it's last hour but this feels really flat overall. It's not in anyway bad just not feeling any vibes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 02:44:44 AM
Fenix amazes me every match.

He is something else. I'm very intrigued by Alex Zayne and Hijo Del Vikingo (and Richocet and Osprey obviously) these five guys just give off vibes that they are physically capable of doing shit noone else can. But for me Fenix is currently on another level.

Right... let's have Riho get this crowd going like only she can.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 02:47:21 AM
A pretty underrated high flyer is Jack Evans too. He’s been doing mad flippy shit for a long time

Not the greatest ppv so far, tag match was a sloppy spotfest with a flat ending. Daniels lights out Penta thing seemed unnecessary. Just run out. “I’m back!” You’ve been injured for 5 minutes

Hoping Moxley Omega is vicious
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 02:48:15 AM
The best I can say about this show is that I said ages ago that they need to build PPVs around one big match and have everyone else play undercard. I love a NJPW show where they have an undercard feel to earlier matches and any show is judged on it's last hour but this feels really flat overall. It's not in anyway bad just not feeling any vibes.

That’s kind of what they did right? The build was mostly about Omega v Moxley and Cody v Jericho.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 02:55:02 AM
That’s kind of what they did right? The build was mostly about Omega v Moxley and Cody v Jericho.

I think so yeah and approve. Just trying to be optimistic that they leaving plenty in the tank for the last hour. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:00:28 AM
Maybe not. More meh. It's fine. But nothing more.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:06:06 AM
Right come on! We need a Cody classic here.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 03:13:55 AM
The state of Jericho
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:16:28 AM
The state of Jericho

In what way?
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 03:24:18 AM
In what way?

His face just looked weird.

Fucking hell Cody, ramp there mate
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:25:03 AM
https://twitter.com/_Mercury_II/status/1193368671508455425?s=20
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:44:32 AM
Yes! That is exactly what they should have done. I approve.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:47:54 AM
Oh fuck off. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 03:50:17 AM
Well that was really good even though it wasn't what I wanted to happen.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 04:09:02 AM
Ha ha. Yes. This is indie wrestling. Finish the night on a pointless bloodbath. Every mania week show does the same. Brilliant fun.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 04:16:01 AM
Ha ha ha. This is fucking brilliantly shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 04:31:24 AM
Match of the Century winner by a country mile.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 04:37:25 AM
That was fucking mental.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 04:40:06 AM
I started laughing about half and hour ago and didn't stop. That was genuinely up there with Kenny Okada 2. The fact Meltzer will be not a fan is hilarious in itself (and I love Dave).
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 04:43:53 AM
God damn brutal. I haven't really seen Moxley's pre-WWE stuff so that was great. It's cool how Kenny "best wrestler in the world" Omega can do this sort of match too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 04:48:26 AM
God damn brutal. I haven't really seen Moxley's pre-WWE stuff so that was great. It's cool how Kenny "best wrestler in the world" Omega can do this sort of match too.

They definitely seem to be building to Kenny going all out insane and losing his mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: hummingofevil on November 10, 2019, 04:50:41 AM
I need to sleep as I have a wedding in 5 hours but the replies to this are hilarious.

https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1193384521728704513?s=20

"ok boomer" is the best thing to happen to discourse ever.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Ja'moke on November 10, 2019, 04:58:26 AM
Renee Young’s live tweets are fun.

Also, I can’t believe some people thought that was real glass. Come on.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2019, 05:03:08 AM
Time for the real main event now, Logan Paul Vs KSI
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Timothy on November 10, 2019, 09:43:53 AM
Have been really enjoying the TV shows but this fell flat for me.

Pac vs Hangman was great as was the tag opener and the Riho match was great.

I didnt really enjoy Cody vs Jericho. Jericho is awesome on the mic but thats about it. Big fan of Le Champione on the mic but every time he steps in the ring he underdelivers.
And the MJF turn felt a bit too soon.

I dont like those extreme matches so not a fan of Moxley vs Omega. I rather see Omega wrestle "normal" matches and a extreme match like this should have way more buildup. It makes sense now that Moxley didnt feel at home at WWE and with each week I'm starting to wonder why he wanted to go to the WWE in the first place. They never would allowed crazy shit like this.

Curious to see the new Dynamite though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: Probs mostly about AEW TNT debut and Smackdown on Fox
Post by: Spode on November 10, 2019, 12:20:30 PM
Jack Swagger dressed permanently like he’s been invited to a wedding, but only the night, and isn’t sure on the level of formality required.
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