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Lee and Herring rewatch

Started by Shaxberd, May 12, 2024, 11:37:16 AM

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madhair60

right right - no worries, that wasn't secretly my plan all along or anything

Mobbd

Quote from: madhair60 on September 17, 2024, 01:01:37 AMdo you remember what the paper was called? I have an enormous number of transcribed interviews with them

Sweet. Are they in The Lee & Herring Reader or is that a separate treasure trove?

madhair60

Should be in the Reader but might only be in the latest version I have. I'll get it uploaded as soon as possible. It's just a hot mess of a document.

Mobbd

Quote from: Andy147 on September 16, 2024, 12:06:47 AMI think it was supposed to be shown between the Adrian Appendix episode in s1e7 and the final episode.

That was great.

If I'm honest, I don't care for the 2000s references. Verisimilitude is the name of the game with The Organ Gang.

The Red Dwarf DVDs gave me a big laugh (especially given L&H's repeated referencing of RD being for nerds) but I'd prefer them to be VHS or Smegazines.

Surprised nobody said "I'm doing the shopping for my mum!"

Mobbd

Quote from: madhair60 on September 17, 2024, 06:02:54 PMShould be in the Reader but might only be in the latest version I have. I'll get it uploaded as soon as possible. It's just a hot mess of a document.

I do think I'd like to help you sort it out all nice. I've been mega-busy these past few months but I reckon I could have a bash at it soon. Would that be okay or would I be fucking with your shit?

madhair60


Mobbd

Quote from: madhair60 on September 17, 2024, 06:58:33 PMgo for it. I'd be grateful.

Rad. Zero hurry but send me your latest version when the mood strikes.

Stinky Lomax

Season finale!


Great episode, this one. Lots of stuff falling in on itself like Organ Gang and When Insects Attack but also lots of new bits like Trevor And Natalie getting to speak or the "curse you God!" runner. Also, the return of Rod Hull was magnificent - loved him interacting with Curious Orange who takes it incredibly seriously, and panicking Stew and Rich by threatening an f-bomb.

(Oh, and I keep forgetting to say, but actually I'm pretty sure I was wrong and that's not Emma Kennedy as the sports teacher.)

madhair60

Quote1-8

Sorry it s late. We ve been taking a week off (Stu went to Iceland - the country not the freezer based supermarket and Rich stayed in London getting drunk and causing trouble). The last show was very well received especially the return of Rod Hull, which surprisingly no-one has complained about (ie reuse of old material). We got about 0.7 million viewers which isn t bad considering the football was on the other side.

SHOW 8 STUFF
The Opening Titles - Stu was smoking a crack pipe and Rich woke up with the unusual priest, but can t remember about the fridge, it was so long ago now. (I think the fridge was just full of smoke... can't remember - Rob)

It really was Stu s birthday making this day a double celebration, leading to many hangovers and foolish behaviour that was embarrassing when remembered the next day.

The Unusual Priest - the raspberry was our favourite of the series and must be a contender for the longest raspberry ever shown on TV. Rich remembers it being about half way through and hearing in his ear piece the words "30 seconds to the end of VT". It delighted him to think there was still that long left even though it had already been going for so long. Let us doth our caps to the genius of the actor Kevin Eldon.

People have been confused as to why Trevor and Natalie were dressed in bondage gear for Palm Sunday. Rich says "It is so obvious why that is, honestly if you just think about it for a second you ll understand. Trevor was on a dog lead and also had one of those things that dog s wear to stop them licking themselves. Thanks to all the pervs who enjoyed seeing Natalie in her cat suit. You are the real sick men.

The Organ Gang - the last one ever probably, as it collapsed in on itself. We wanted to get across the fact that the cartoonist couldn t be bothered to draw it anymore, hence the deterioration of the drawings. Brian Cant was at his best we feel. The closing titles were made up by cartoonist Joseph Champniss so if you want to know the significance of any of that you ll have to find the mysterious, grumpy, Welsh misfit and ask him.

David Darlington, the last monarch of this epoch - He is a big fan of Trevor and has written in a few times, which is partly why we got him on. He s a nice bloke who studies sonar in Edinburgh and is one of the many fantastic nerds that our empire of fans is built upon. We love you all. To find out what he thought of the day go to his web page...

Trevor and Natalie speak - As we hinted in the last BTS Trev and Nat finally got to say something. And although Natalie messed up her first line and forgot to say Glasgow and Cardiff the pretty youngsters did very well. Will the fact that they have now spoken mean that they won t be in the next series? We don t know. What do you think?

Roger Crowley - Last outing for this character. Don t think we ll do any more, but maybe we will. Roger's mum was played by Jo Unwin. Thanks to Roger Mann for scaring the nation for 7 of the last 8 weeks.

Histor s Eye - maybe a bit soon to do this deconstruction, but we had planned to do more. Again tiredness and pressure of time mean this wasn t quite as good as we d hoped, but for any one in doubt it was proven that Histor at least, is a puppet. The puppets will probably return next series and will also be accompanying us on tour, with a history of each town we visit.

Teachers - quite a few cuts made for time here (see script for full version), including the final scene in Mr Harris s house when he looks mournfully at his Happy Facer biscuit.

The Curious Orange Phone in - the real phone result was that about 250 people wanted the Orange to sing the song and over 2000 wanted him crushed. You cruel bastards. The little dancing girls found the Orange a bit frightening in rehearsal, but managed not to leave any unwanted puddles on the actual show.

The actor Kevin Eldon s QVCVC spot was recorded at 6.30 am on Sunday morning. Did you recognise his new "girlfriend" as the same woman who played Vera Hannan the knitting woman in the Ironic Review? The jumper with a frog on it is based on one that Rich actually saw being sold on the real QVC.

The false Rod Hull - No-one has pointed out that this script was pretty much the same as the Rod Hull we did on the last tour, except it had the Curious Orange instead of Ice T. Kev slipped in the "I can say what the f...lipping hell I want" at the last minute, after we d been discussing how brilliant it would be if he just said fuck like he used to on stage! The cheeky monkey. We haven t got in trouble for saying "twat" either, which many people do not realise is that rude. We may resurrect false Rod in the next series, but in a new format.

The businessman was played by an actor called John, who fitted in very quickly with the madness of the show, and must have been a bit confused by it all, and intimidated by the rest of us knowing each other so well. The cut off at the back suit is indeed a Kenny Everett gag. May he rest in peace.

I am in love with the world - I bet Princess Diana never dreamed that this song she enjoyed so much would one day be performed by a mouldy orange surrounded by frightened children in tu-tus. I think it would have given her pleasure to know that it has. The Curious Orange may or may not return, perhaps in new fruit form next time.

New series? - Our lunch with Mark Thompson is on the 20th April. We ll let you know how it goes. Things are looking positive though, but we won t be back before November at the earliest.

lauraxsynthesis

So good. I am curious what Champniss was thinking with TOG credits. Lots of fluffs in this episode and I wonder if it was the end of term high or what. My most abiding image of TMWRNJ has always been TCO getting juiced while screaming. His song was wonderful too. I had forgotten Fake Rod Hull turns up. What a performance of triumph. I'm still planning on making FRH badges.

Just how early did Stew realise he found repetition funny? He must say in his book but it's yonks since I read that.

The Unusual Priest's raspberry was amazing, they may be right about it being the best bit of the series and it's good to hear their recollections of it. I also loved the earlier Pause for Thought for the Day segment about someone calling him out on preferring Jesus to Blue and Oasis.

I was surprised by Rod Hull since there was something from Fist of Fun (maybe in one of the commentaries or DVD notes) about having to rewrite stuff for TMWRNJ after his death. Turns out he was murdered by Gyles Brandreth four days before the first episode of TMWRNJ's second series, so this appearance would have presaged him being a regular in series two.

They got their new domain name right this week, and also had a new non-CompuServe email address, but didn't use the domain name for it. Fools! They'll be cursing God when Virgin.net turns out to be shit or gets absorbed into NTL or whatever happened to it.

Overall this series really built in quality as the regular features got established and they could play with expectations. I think there are a lot of new regular features in series two so it'll be interesting to see how good they are from the start.

madhair60

false rod hull is one of the funniest things ever, everything from concept to execution. just so fucking funny.

non capisco

I love Eldon's physicality as False Rod, his cocky little bandy legged dance after he says TWAT on Sunday morning telly. You can tell he has a whale of a time playing him.

The half-emergence from the doorway with 'Jelly?' is a fantastic bit of business.

Been enjoying this thread immensely - are we going on to the second series now?
(Is there a continuation of this thread in the pipeline?)

lauraxsynthesis


Gurke and Hare

I wish there were commentaries for these.

Cold Meat Platter

Quote from: Gurke and Hare on September 23, 2024, 11:32:20 PMI wish there were commentaries for these.

Well you can thank Stewart "So Called" Lee for that.

Mobbd

So, so good.

"Twat" was, I think, considered quite naughty at the time. There was that one Red Dwarf video rated 15 instead of PG because of "let's get out there and twat it." (though there was no 12 rating at the time, as you all know).

QuoteThe puppets will probably return next series and will also be accompanying us on tour, with a history of each town we visit.

Does anyone know if that happened? That Pliny and Histor were on the road with them? And, btw, was it billed as a TMWRNJ tour or a L&H tour?

EOLAN

Is the house burglar in the opening credits Fr Ted co-creator and now gone totally bananas C*** - Graham Linehan?

Stinky Lomax

Don't think so. Pretty sure it's Paul Putner.

(Also, to answer an earlier question: yes we are definitely doing S2 - I don't see why we wouldn't!)

lazyhour

Quote from: Mobbd on September 25, 2024, 09:18:50 AMDoes anyone know if that happened? That Pliny and Histor were on the road with them? And, btw, was it billed as a TMWRNJ tour or a L&H tour?

Yes, from memory they did come on tour with Lee and Herring, but I don't think they ended up doing local history and instead just did the same sketch each night. I might be misremembering, off course.

Mobbd

Quote from: Stinky Lomax on September 25, 2024, 10:59:15 AM(Also, to answer an earlier question: yes we are definitely doing S2 - I don't see why we wouldn't!)

I vote NO to Series 2 and YES to Reasonably Scary Monsters only.

Stinky Lomax

I refuse to rewatch that, it's too upsetting since my wife left me for a Frankingstein.

Mobbd

Quote from: Stinky Lomax on September 25, 2024, 04:00:18 PMI refuse to rewatch that, it's too upsetting since my wife left me for a Frankingstein.

Consider yourself lucky. For me it was a Carol Vorderman. *slide whistle*

Quote from: lazyhour on September 25, 2024, 11:18:26 AMYes, from memory they did come on tour with Lee and Herring, but I don't think they ended up doing local history and instead just did the same sketch each night. I might be misremembering, off course.

I saw them at the start of that tour, and Histor and Pliny opened the show with some city-specific material. Seems like the kind of commitment that might well not have lasted the whole run...

willbo

Quote from: Mobbd on September 25, 2024, 09:18:50 AMSo, so good.

"Twat" was, I think, considered quite naughty at the time. There was that one Red Dwarf video rated 15 instead of PG because of "let's get out there and twat it." (though there was no 12 rating at the time, as you all know).


it was also because of Lister talking about losing his virginity in "marooned" according to the RD programme guide

lauraxsynthesis

Quote from: willbo on September 25, 2024, 09:58:23 PMit was also because of Lister talking about losing his virginity in "marooned" according to the RD programme guide

...at the age of 12. TWELVE!? Shouts Rimmer in horror that's more jealousy than anything else. Different times.

lauraxsynthesis

There's Pliny news! Rich donated Histor to the Museum of Comedy in London where I was rather pleased to see it recently. I thought I read from Rich ages ago that Pliny had got wet and rotted and been thrown out, but it turns out there's a beakless Pliny at the University of Kent comedy archives with the other L&H stuff there. https://x.com/gingerbeardmark/status/1838671882721046817

Rich said "It is right and proper that they should be separated."


Stinky Lomax

After a rigorous debate, we are going forward with TMWRNJ Series 2! Here's episode 1:


Really good episode, loads of fun new sketches and running studio bits. Old stuff coming back like Greg Evigan and Curious Orange benefits from starting at an escalated point. Nostradamus is new and so still a little vanilla but I already love Kennedy's performance. First disciples sketch is a banger. The journalists bit is great - I still see that old cliché trotted out regularly and think of poor old Norman. There are a couple of things that are fine here but iirc get tired pretty quickly - Rich's milk reviews, and possibly Gary Puttner, can't remember if he repeats.

This episode has the rant about women's bodies that iirc Stew said later he regretted. Also unfortunate that they're recycling the opening title details so they're back to Rich's fridge having a poster of Kate Moss with "EAT SOME CHIPS" written on it in the same episode.

Most importantly, though, the audience member looking bemused after the Lettuce Family sketch is a friend of mine from uni and is now married to a member of zombie metal band Send More Paramedics.

Do we have any non-UK people who need Mr Blobby from the intro explaining to them? Thanks to Taskmaster and random memes, I've had to do so a few times on various Discords recently and have an explanation ready to paste!