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Started by Rev+, July 01, 2022, 12:45:19 AM
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 03, 2022, 11:26:13 AMThat isn't CBT. It is a caricature of a therapist used by anti-therapists to mock them, or possibly a Facebook meme.Remember when you got all pissy because people reduced Corbnyism down to some happy clappy bullshit? When Centrists go how does saying having kinda nicer politics change anything? Ever heard anyone on this dear forum talk about then need for peace and love?<strokes beard, adjusts monocle> How does that make you feel?
Quote from: Zero Gravitas on July 03, 2022, 11:37:48 AMYou seem quite passionate Trenter, are you a hack fraud yourself?
Quote from: bgmnts on July 03, 2022, 11:39:50 AMWell i've engaged in CBT therapy and yeah it's basically that in my experience.
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 03, 2022, 12:05:24 PMYour experience is not a reliable foundation for your summation.We can prove this quite easily, it's not like CBT hasn't been evidenced or written down as to what it is. Do you want me to post all of the stuff about that proves your idea of what it is wrong?Is there any point of me doing this because you'll obviously just ignore it like you usually ignore any inconvenient parts of my posts?You don't like CBT then don't do it, no one is forcing you to do it as you have seen from this thread it has helped other people so perhaps you need to consider that you jaded depressed to the point of toxicity might have something to do with it and shouldn't be really seen as guide for others.Instead why not send Zetetic a PM and ask him to get you a house #notpositivethinking
Quote from: bgmnts on July 03, 2022, 12:10:37 PMWell no I agree I suffer from severe long term depression and CBT didn't help, so I suppose my experience would only be applicable to those who suffer from severe long term depression. If my experience isn't enough to make a summation then god knows what is. But I get it you have a vested interest in this and that's fine.
Quote from: Dr Rock on July 03, 2022, 10:38:56 AMI've not had great experiences with CBT, how do other countries deal with people who are down in the dumps? (@Zetetic)
Quote from: Zetetic on July 04, 2022, 01:50:38 PMIAPT's conception wasn't just tied to "cost savings". The economic case for funding it was very openly and clearly tied to the idea of returning people to work and increasing tax revenues, and this is relevant to the way it was setup and managed.
Quote from: Zetetic on July 04, 2022, 01:50:38 PMThe idea that "CBT-informed" counseling isn't widespread is also bizarre - but in any case, it's Trenter who tried to claim that everywhere else uses "CBT" and have now tried to dismiss the idea that the other parts of the UK deliver things other than CBT in services comparable to IAPT (or they simply don't count or something?). I was trying to offer an understanding that - because of its efficacy - many talking therapists will have ended up drawing CBT into their own practice.
QuoteYou are making me stan for IAPT and CBT much more than I am really comfortable with if I'm honest but that is because of the way you are approaching this rather than any great love for it.
Quote from: Rev+ on July 01, 2022, 12:45:19 AMthe volunteers tread on eggshells
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 01, 2022, 08:46:11 PMShit errands like that are usually better than work. You can usually long them out as well.
Quote from: Zetetic on July 04, 2022, 02:53:02 PMI'm not arguing against there being a need for widely available psychological support because it's not something I disagree with or relevant to a discussion of what actually-existing-CBT has been in many people's experience.
Quote from: Zetetic on July 04, 2022, 02:53:02 PMI've clearly set out specific features of IAPT's history that take it beyond "oh well everything has to have an economic case". (Setting aside that particular ideological commitment and framing it in terms of "cost savings!)
Quote from: Zetetic on July 04, 2022, 02:55:44 PMMy suggestion is that you stop, because I think you now read things into my "approach" that I can only swear aren't there.I think we might at one of our impasses.
Quote from: Dr Rock on July 05, 2022, 09:40:41 AMIf CBT didn't work for you when you was depressed, are there any other treatments the UK NHSs could make easier to get?
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 05, 2022, 09:36:46 AMAlso well done to Zetetic I'm guessing this is a result of some sort.
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