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Started by bgmnts, July 04, 2022, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 04, 2022, 01:18:24 PMCant be bothered with this how do i just get it to give me 100% Eeyore
Quote from: katzenjammer on July 04, 2022, 10:07:24 AMI kind of think these tests are unhelpful and possibly dangerous.
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 04, 2022, 10:49:46 AMWe've got people that think CBT is mumbo jumbo
Quote from: Mr Vegetables on July 04, 2022, 03:39:47 PMI think we're mostly being told we believe planes can't fly after being thrown out of a balloon in a box with the words "THIS IS A PLANE" on it— and that there is no meaningful problem in this story, because actually planes can fly
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 04, 2022, 03:42:09 PMEh? No idea what this is.Did we get to the bottom about whether you cancelled your appointment or not?
Quote from: Mr Vegetables on July 04, 2022, 04:04:02 PMI think I forgot to say I wasn't going, in the aftermath of my stepfather hanging himself? And of course it's just overwhelming really, when you've been on a waiting list for a year for something this shit, get an automatically stern letter when you do, get deflated and miserable as a result.
Quote from: Stigdu on July 04, 2022, 05:30:31 PMI can sooooorta understand why they'd associate Tigger with ADHD (jumps around a lot) and Eeyore with depression (always moping about), but Christopher Robin has schizophrenia? That poor little baby kangaroo has autism?!
QuoteWho asssessed these animals (and Chris)? If these are professional diagnoses, I wouldn't let them come near me with a ten-foot pole.
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 04, 2022, 12:25:54 PMIt is helpful for anxiety (not sure why you are empathising the disorder) and mild, moderate depression, it has been found in lots of different independent studies to do so. Anxiety and depression are linked and have overlapping symptomology. It has also been found to be effective for psychosis as well as lots of other conditions. It's isn't a panacea however, nothing is, that isn't how MH works.There is some evidence for CBT being effective for severe depression there was a meta analysis in 2017 that showed it was effective across 5 independent trials (Furukawa et al 2017 if you are interested). The sample size was enough for statistical significance but more research needs to be conducted here as surprise surprise whilst there are 20 trials for antidepressants vs placebo at the time of publishing there were only 5 for CBT (because pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest researching their products - also note CBT was found to be slightly more effective than AD in these trials).It works. Unfortunately it didn't work for you, we could do with understanding what mechanism that CBT becomes actively unhelpful, why does it help some and not others because obviously there are lots of things that come into this including type of provisions and resistance to treatment. This is nothing unique to CBT here, medication has been associated much more with suicide, suicidal thoughts, and poor long-term recovery but it seems to be getting a very easy ride on here.It also isn't the only thing available on the NHS you can of course get counselling and several other therapies depending on your local NHS trust (all of them are different and provide different services - in some of them you can still get ECT if you were that way inclined). I'd be interested to know what you would like to be available?
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 04, 2022, 07:31:49 PMThere is so much utter nonsense here that I don't know where to begin. I mean, yes, CBT works for some people (a mixture of CBT and talking therapy helped me a lot in 2008, for example), but it is very simplistic and trying to get any other kind of help from the NHS is incredibly difficult. I was in a psychiatric ward back for three weeks dealing with grief, suicidal ideation and a number of other issues in 2018 and the only advice I got from the therapist (who had to deal with twenty patients in the three hours she would spent at the unit each week) was "Well at least you're not a poor starving African child".I'm sure you can list other examples where it has helped people, and of course they exist, but the way the NHS handles mental health in general is an absolute fucking shambles.
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 04, 2022, 07:43:25 PM@SMBH it is starting feel like I am soaking up a lot of people's anger at the MH system here, as if I'm defending it and telling you all CBT is great and solves everyone's problems.This isn't the case and I can explain why. When you say "there is so much utter nonsense here" what do you mean? Or rather what do think I mean?Do you think I'm lying about the studies that show CBTs effectiveness?That anxiety and depression don't overlap and often coexist?That CBT isn't the only talking therapy available on the NHS?Can you just explain what it is you think is nonsense before we go any further here. I feel I know what you are saying here (a scream into the void about how shit MH services - something perhaps my views on might surprise you) but I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 04, 2022, 08:11:41 PMWhat I'm saying is that getting any help other than CBT is an extraordinary difficult thing, and sometimes impossible, and the NHS in general is dealing with mental illness in a horrifyingly poor way.
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