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Title: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 24, 2021, 04:17:47 PM
Holy crikey.

https://www.doctorwho.tv/news/?article=russell-t-davies-to-return-as-doctor-who-showrunner (https://www.doctorwho.tv/news/?article=russell-t-davies-to-return-as-doctor-who-showrunner)
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Multi award-winning Russell T Davies will take control of the TARDIS once more as the next Doctor Who showrunner, succeeding Chris Chibnall who departs next year.

Russell T Davies will make an explosive return to screens to celebrate the 60th Anniversary of Doctor Who in 2023, and series beyond.  BBC Studios are partnering with Bad Wolf to produce.

Responsible for Doctor Who’s revival in 2005, he is credited with propelling the show into a global phenomenon and making it one of TV’s biggest hits.   His tenure on the show oversaw a surge in popularity enjoying huge acclaim and success. The Doctor won the nation’s hearts through his masterful relaunch, which led him to create two spin off series, Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures during that time.

Davies left the show in 2009. A lifelong Doctor Who fan, he has most recently achieved huge success with Years and Years, A Very English Scandal and It’s a Sin which won Best New Drama at the National TV Awards this month.   Russell T Davies says “I’m beyond excited to be back on my favourite show. But we’re time-travelling too fast, there’s a whole series of Jodie Whittaker’s brilliant Doctor for me to enjoy, with my friend and hero Chris Chibnall at the helm – I’m still a viewer for now.”

Chris Chibnall says “It’s monumentally exciting and fitting that Doctor Who’s 60th anniversary will see one of Britain’s screenwriting diamonds return home. Russell built the baton that is about to be handed back to him  - Doctor Who, the BBC, the screen industry in Wales, and let’s be honest everyone in the whole world, have so many reasons to be Very Excited Indeed about what lies ahead.”   Piers Wenger, BBC Director of Drama says “As the 13th Doctor prepares to embark on new and extraordinary adventures, the winds of change are blowing… bringing with them news to delight Doctor Who fans across the globe. We are thrilled that Russell is returning to Doctor Who to build on the huge achievements of Chris and Jodie. Thank you to the two of them and the team in Cardiff for all they continue to do for the show and hello Russell, it’s wonderful to have you back.”

Russell T Davies will make an explosive return to screens to celebrate the 60th Anniversary of Doctor Who in 2023, and series beyond.  BBC Studios are partnering with Bad Wolf to produce.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 24, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Wait, sorry, just seen this is already addressed in the RTD/Moffat threat, delete if necessary.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 24, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
CHECK OUT THIS RTDUNCE!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 24, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
Ugh I'm worse than Chibnalls
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 24, 2021, 04:24:20 PM
The other thread is for retrospective as much as anything so having a separate thread for discussion and speculation isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 24, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
Yes, I think a new 'New RTD' thread is a good idea - I'll pop a link for it in the 2005-2017 thread.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Endicott on September 24, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
Exactly, which is why I'm choosing this thread to express my complete surprise and mild optimism that Who might go somewhere better again.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Deanjam on September 24, 2021, 04:30:02 PM
Ugh I'm worse than Chibnalls

I suppose someone has to be.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 24, 2021, 04:32:17 PM
I never really clicked with RTD, Moffat much more my cup of tea, but christ, after Chibnall...

My brain has immediately gone to speculation that if RTD didn't come back they were going to put the show to rest for the forseeable, but I have nothing to back that up at all.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 24, 2021, 04:35:13 PM

My brain has immediately gone to speculation that if RTD didn't come back they were going to put the show to rest for the forseeable, but I have nothing to back that up at all.

Modern equivalent of when Sydney Newman suggested bringing back Troughton to save the show in 1986.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 24, 2021, 04:37:09 PM
What a fucking shocker tbh.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 24, 2021, 04:38:19 PM
It should just be RTD and Moffat on a rotating basis, keep everyone happy
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 24, 2021, 04:44:05 PM
In my mind, I was resigned to the idea that the BBC were just letting it run as a zombie franchise with the minimum amount of money and talent needed to produce it, just to keep the syndication cash coming in and that they didn't really give much of a fuck about it any more, ala Top Gear.

So to see them bring RTD back on board proves that they a) realise the ship needed righting and b) do still give a shit about it.

I do wonder if they've actually booted Chibnall in favour of Russ and the whole thing has been stage managed to spare his blushes.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 24, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
So does this mean Olly Alexander or Billie Piper as the next Dr? Or Julie Hesmondhalgh?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Leo2112 on September 24, 2021, 04:52:47 PM
Eh I thought Olly Alexander was the weak link of It's a Sin so wouldn't be that thrilled.  A bigger name just to appear for a single series à la Eccleston wouldn't be a bad idea.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: McDead on September 24, 2021, 04:57:41 PM
Ben Wishaw has got the goods, and he's done great work with RTD before. And maybe this doesn't matter so much anymore, but he's "Doctor-ish"
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Norton Canes on September 24, 2021, 05:02:57 PM
Any chance they could can the 2022 specials and bring him forward a year?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 24, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
Any chance they could can the last two series as well and bring him forwards to 2018?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Chairman Yang on September 24, 2021, 05:07:39 PM
Obviously Chris Chibnall is well shit but imagine being that shit, so unbelievably shit, that they bring in the old guy to fix your mess.... the guy who's already fucked off having fixed it once already.

I'd be mortified.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 05:10:55 PM
Yes, I think a new 'New RTD' thread is a good idea - I'll pop a link for it in the 2005-2017 thread.

when I followed the link from there to here I immediately forgot what had happened and then I started wandering around with my cock out


DON’T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN DAF OR I WILL CONVERT YOU INTO A PLASTIC ONE THAT SPUNKS CLINGFILM
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 05:12:45 PM
Obviously Chris Chibnall is well shit but imagine being that shit, so unbelievably shit, that they bring in the old guy to fix your mess.... the guy who's already fucked off having fixed it once already.

I'd be mortified.

I don’t know whether such a shit person would be able to feel mortified.  Chibnall probably hasn’t put all these pieces together.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 24, 2021, 05:20:03 PM
My brain has immediately gone to speculation that if RTD didn't come back they were going to put the show to rest for the forseeable, but I have nothing to back that up at all.

I think that's an entirely reasonable speculation. DW stopped being must-see television during the Chibnall era (the big viewing figures for Whittaker's first episode don't count, that was always going to be a ratings smash), it just sort of chuntered along without much fanfare. Given how much it costs to produce, the BBC won't have been happy about that. So it stands to reason, in their TV executive minds, that the best way of rectifying that situation is to bring back the writer/producer who revived the show and turned it into a national talking point.*

And I suspect that RTD, although he's too nice and professional to ever admit this, was dismayed by the show's decline in quality and popularity. Like Moffat, he absolutely loves DW and wants it to continue forever. He wants it to be good and special, as opposed to something that's just there like Death in Paradise or Midsomer Murders

So in theory at least, it's the ideal outcome for RTD, the BBC and the viewers.  Everyone's a winner.

* I don't think the uptown top-ranking BBC nabobs - yer Alan Yentobs and Marmaduke Husseys - will have noticed that Chibnall is a shit hack idiot who doesn't have a clue; all they care about is that one of their flagship shows isn't as successful as it used to be. If Chibnall's mediocrity had somehow clicked with the masses, they would've been perfectly happy.

EDIT: That was a very long-winded way of articulating what most of you have already said. Should've checked before posting. Soz.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Deanjam on September 24, 2021, 05:21:02 PM
Eh I thought Olly Alexander was the weak link of It's a Sin so wouldn't be that thrilled.  A bigger name just to appear for a single series à la Eccleston wouldn't be a bad idea.

Oh just give me a year with Michael Sheen.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 24, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
I think it makes sense. RTD brought back the show the last time it was cancelled so it's logical he brings it back after this cancellation. I'm just glad the gap was only five years this time and not sixteen!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Leo2112 on September 24, 2021, 05:28:39 PM
Would be cool to see some RTD Who episodes with decent production/art direction.  That's one aspect of his era which didn't age particularly well.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 24, 2021, 05:29:59 PM
Oh just give me a year with Michael Sheen.

I don't think we've had a Welsh Doctor yet, have we?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Malcy on September 24, 2021, 05:32:07 PM
I don't think we've had a Welsh Doctor yet, have we?

(Tom's the closest - coming from the old 'capital of North Wales', Liverpool)



Matt Smith recently said he wants Rhys Ifans to be the next Doctor. Sheen would be great too.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: BritishHobo on September 24, 2021, 05:34:06 PM
Proper delighted by this, once the bafflement died down, and the paranoia that it was one of those "an anonymous source told The Sun that Russell might have possibly had a hypothetical dream in which he considered returning as showrunner but ultimately didn't" stories.

I like that we don't really know what this could be, but whatever it is it'll be great. If it really is just a nostalgic throwback to the RTD era, then that'll at least fit nicely with the 60th anniversary - and his show had so much life to it, it'll be refreshing. It'll be lovely to have the speed of the dialogue back, the sparkle of his ideas, the joy of his characters.

On the other hand, which is even better, I can't imagine this will be the same as before. He obviously approached New Who as the writer he was sixteen years ago, making decisions informed by the classic series and the long gap, as well as what TV was like at the time. He's going to be bringing a lot of different things to his writing this time, and very possibly envisioning it in a completely different way to the way he did in 2005. Didn't he do an interview recently saying that if it had been revived now it would be a big-budget Netflix miniseries thing? It could feel completely different, and have a completely different attitude towards the backstory of the character.

Most importantly, it'll definitely be sticking around in Cardiff now.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 05:34:24 PM
What’s funny as well is that Children of Earth was an attempt to fix Chibnall’s version of Torchwood.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 24, 2021, 05:41:00 PM
If it really is just a nostalgic throwback to the RTD era, then that'll at least fit nicely with the 60th anniversary - and his show had so much life to it, it'll be refreshing.

Whereas I'd previously not been that bothered about the 60th anniversary (and had actually forgotten it was coming up), I'm proper excited now!

McGann & Lucie-Miller BBC3 spin-off, please! :)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 24, 2021, 05:41:13 PM
Really fucking happy about this, I've issues with some of RTD's ideas but some of his episodes I absolutely loved, and even at his worst he was a million times better than Chibnall. I'd given up being excited about Who and presumed whoever replaced Chibnall wouldn't exactly set the world on fire, but this is superb news and I can't wait to see what he'll do with the show now.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Natnar on September 24, 2021, 05:53:34 PM
I thought there might be a tiny chance RTD would come back for the 60th but to have him come back full time was a bit of a shock. It'll be interesting to see what RTD's approach to writing new Who will be.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Midas on September 24, 2021, 05:58:54 PM
This does makes the previous statements about "radical change" and "the new generation of Doctor Who" look a bit odd though.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 24, 2021, 05:59:14 PM
I don’t know whether such a shit person would be able to feel mortified.  Chibnall probably hasn’t put all these pieces together.

It almost certainly won't have occurred to him. He'll just amble on obliviously, secure in his delusion that he wrote some good Doctor Who episodes. Although I'm not sure he'll even think that. It's difficult to imagine Chris Chibnall really thinking about anything.

Anyway, I for one welcome back our old Welsh overlord.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 24, 2021, 06:06:43 PM
This does makes the previous statements about "radical change" and "the new generation of Doctor Who" look a bit odd though.

I suppose it's a radical change in the sense that Chris Chibnall is a terrible writer and RTD isn't. And his return will, hopefully, attract a whole new generation of fans.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Leo2112 on September 24, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
Bad Wolf Company confirmed as producers of the new series

https://twitter.com/BadWolf_TV/status/1441407974761635846
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We are delighted to be joining Russell T Davies on a looped ontological paradox. Where Russell goes, we are proud to follow-and that with BBC Studios, Bad Wolf will be producing the all-new series of Doctor Who. It is a privilege to be asked to support him in Doctor Who’s future.

They've made some decent series recently - His Dark Materials, A Discovery of Witches and The Night Of.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 24, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Simultaneously delighted by this news and vaguely perturbed. On the one hand, it'll be a Who with great dialogue and vim and ideas again. On the other, it smacks of a desperate move to stop it from falling once more into permanent hiatus. If people are still reticent to take over the show after the shitness of Chibnall, I can't imagine they'll be thrilled to do so after a bunch of fun and funny (with dark/perverse undercurrents) RTD Who episodes.

This is assuming he's sticking around for a while. I assume the 60th is locked on, and at least one more series, but the hunt much be on for his replacement, right?

Just hope he doesn't work himself into the ground again. And that we get another Writer's Tale out of it.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 06:54:57 PM
This does makes the previous statements about "radical change" and "the new generation of Doctor Who" look a bit odd though.

My honest guess is that RTD will be the new “safe pair of hands” for only a few years, after Chibnall failed to fill this role.

I suspect a radical change etc is on the horizon, but swapping out Chibnall for RTD in the short term was something that urgently needed to be done.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 24, 2021, 06:59:44 PM
When Harold Wilson came back for a second time, he said, right, I’m going to let the younger lads do the work now. He desperately needs to bring on some new writers.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 24, 2021, 07:00:33 PM
My honest guess is that RTD will be the new “safe pair of hands” for only a few years, after Chibnall failed to fill this role.

I suspect a radical change etc is on the horizon, but swapping out Chibnall for RTD in the short term was something that urgently needed to be done.

Yeah, a stopgap until they find a replacement. Perhaps with the BBC telling him it is either him doing it or the show is rested until they find the right person to do it.

My guess is the 60th and two series before moving on as that'll have given the BBC enough time to find the right person.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Kelvin on September 24, 2021, 07:03:40 PM
Better that the show is put on hiatus after RTD has (hopefully) re-established the quality, continuity and core principles that viewers should expect, and future reboots should aim for, as opposed to it going on hiatus after Chibnall drives it into the ground and wrecks it's future in the process.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 24, 2021, 07:03:55 PM
Bad Wolf Company confirmed as producers of the new series

Is this the first 'independent' company to produce it, rather than it being made 'in-house' by BBC Wales (i.e. did Moffatt or Chibnall have their own production companies?)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 07:06:09 PM
When Harold Wilson came back for a second time, he said, right, I’m going to let the younger lads do the work now. He desperately needs to bring on some new writers.

And Winston Churchill.



When he came back the second time he was like “when Harold Wilson gets in I am going to freshen myself up and everyone will think I am so young”
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Psybro on September 24, 2021, 07:13:45 PM
Can we not get RTD back in? Unlike Moffat, I thought his regular season stories were getting better as time went on. He probably doesn't want to but we can blackmail him.

I'm not too big not to say I absolutely nailed this.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 07:15:11 PM
Better that the show is put on hiatus after RTD has (hopefully) re-established the quality, continuity and core principles that viewers should expect, and future reboots should aim for, as opposed to it going on hiatus after Chibnall drives it into the ground and wrecks it's future in the process.

Another thought occurs, by the way.


Around the time that RTD agreed the handover to Moffat, I understand that RTD began to allow his successor influence over little details so that the playing pieces would be in place for the transition to be smooth.  So fuck knows why, but The Doctor’s Daughter ended with Jenny surviving in case Moffat wanted to use her at a later date.  There were less shit examples as well, I just can’t think of them right now.  (Edited to add:  Moffat requested for the Daleks not to be used in the 2009 specials so they would have a chance to feel fresh again.)


Anyway, I am mentioning this because maybe the Timeless Children guff sent alarm bells ringing to such an extent that it was decided RTD needed to step in, and now RTD has been allowed to influence the trajectory of the development of that storyline so that it’s where he wants it to be when he takes over.  I mean how can that not be the case now?

It’s just a thought.  Maybe the series 13 development of the Timeless Child bullshit will be influenced more by RTD’s wishes than we’ll be told.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Bernice on September 24, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
Harold Wilson's tenure was a real nadir for Doctor Who, in my opinion.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: The Roofdog on September 24, 2021, 07:16:57 PM
Holy shit, only just seen the news. The BBC's finger must have literally been hovering over the cancel button. Looking forward to RTD leaving again so we can get The Writer's Tale 2 and figure out what went on here.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Malcy on September 24, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
I'm not too big not to say I absolutely nailed this.

What did you blackmail him with?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 24, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
Harold Wilson's tenure was a real nadir for Doctor Who, in my opinion.

He was furious when Alec Douglas-Home got the Dalek films
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 24, 2021, 07:58:09 PM
Agree that RTD Who 2 will probably be very different to the first time round. Can't wait to see what he's come up with to be honest.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Chairman Yang on September 24, 2021, 08:06:32 PM
Agree that RTD Who 2 will probably be very different to the first time round. Can't wait to see what he's come up with to be honest.

Yeah I've gone from relief to actual curiosity now, Years and Years had a big smell of Doctor Who to it and RTD seems to have some genuine political opinions, also the world has really gone to shit since he last wrote for the show.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Midas on September 24, 2021, 08:10:41 PM
The BIG question is... will Murray Gold be back???
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 24, 2021, 08:11:11 PM
He was furious when Alec Douglas-Home got the Dalek films

Hee hee 😛
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 24, 2021, 08:12:25 PM
Yeah I've gone from relief to actual curiosity now, Years and Years had a big smell of Doctor Who to it and RTD seems to have some genuine political opinions, also the world has really gone to shit since he last wrote for the show.

Nothing will date it more than contemporary British politics.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 08:17:05 PM
The BIG question is... will Murray Gold be back???

I was thinking this.  I doubt it though, as he has only just left.  So we are likely going to be in the interesting position of RTD Who without Murray Gold.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Midas on September 24, 2021, 08:19:01 PM
I had a friend who went to see a performance of Murray Gold's Doctor Who score performed by the BBC National Orchestra of Wales and apparently when they began playing, it was so soul-shatteringly bombastic the Royal Albert Hall collapsed in on itself and killed everyone in the building. They only managed a single diddly-dum.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Midas on September 24, 2021, 08:30:06 PM
A distinctive electronic score would be nice.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: The Roofdog on September 24, 2021, 08:34:05 PM
Yeah I've gone from relief to actual curiosity now, Years and Years had a big smell of Doctor Who to it and RTD seems to have some genuine political opinions, also the world has really gone to shit since he last wrote for the show.

This is the thing, I never really got on with S4 and then he had bloody Miracle Day so it's fair to say I was more than ready for Moffat at the time, but everything RTD has done since has been astonishing, he's at the height of his powers.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: The Roofdog on September 24, 2021, 08:35:06 PM
A distinctive electronic score would be nice.

Keep Segun Akinola then, the one and only decent thing about the Chibnall run.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Natnar on September 24, 2021, 08:35:40 PM
So what will the timeline be? Jodie & Chibnall bowing out at the end of 2022 after 3 specials followed by 2023 RTD series with the new doctor which could end with the 60th anniversary special?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Midas on September 24, 2021, 08:37:16 PM
Keep Segun Akinola then, the one and only decent thing about the Chibnall run.

I dunno, I think his music has been completely unremarkable tbh.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: madhair60 on September 24, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
Didn't he turn a blind eye to sexual predator John Barrowman's repeated sexual assaults of female cast and crew?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 24, 2021, 08:44:16 PM
So what will the timeline be? Jodie & Chibnall bowing out at the end of 2022 after 3 specials followed by 2023 RTD series with the new doctor which could end with the 60th anniversary special?

The wording wasn't 100% specific but it seemed to me to say that RTD will take over with an anniversary special followed by a full series.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on September 24, 2021, 08:49:18 PM
Didn't he turn a blind eye to sexual predator John Barrowman's repeated sexual assaults of female cast and crew?

No. Not at all. It was repeated sexual assaults of both male and female cast and crew.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Natnar on September 24, 2021, 08:55:17 PM
The wording wasn't 100% specific but it seemed to me to say that RTD will take over with an anniversary special followed by a full series.

But would he have the new doctor's first story be the 60th anniversary episode though? I suppose he could have Jodie turn back into a previous Doctor for the 60th and then regenerate at the end.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Rev+ on September 24, 2021, 08:58:12 PM
So we are likely going to be in the interesting position of RTD Who without Murray Gold.

I'd be very surprised if he hasn't been approached, at least.  Julie Gardner and Jane Tranter are also returning, so it does feel like a 'putting the band back together' situation.

Just don't bloody approach Tennant, because we all know he'd do it.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
Keep Segun Akinola then, the one and only decent thing about the Chibnall run.

He's been rubbish so far.  Clattering and arpeggios.  He scores every scene like they are the building blocks of an exciting heist movie, ramping forever upwards towards a thrilling climax, regardless of what's going on.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 09:00:35 PM
So what will the timeline be? Jodie & Chibnall bowing out at the end of 2022 after 3 specials followed by 2023 RTD series with the new doctor which could end with the 60th anniversary special?

Maybe a full series from RTD before the 60th anniversary special?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 24, 2021, 09:01:36 PM
Keep Segun Akinola then, the one and only decent thing about the Chibnall run.

I like the depiction of the time vortex, although they've only used it in about two episodes, probably because it costs too much.

Cristobal Tapia de Veer as composer, or is he too odd? I could see him complementing Davies's odder side, but I'm guessing they'll want someone a bit more bombastic and crowd-pleasing.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 24, 2021, 09:06:18 PM
But would he have the new doctor's first story be the 60th anniversary episode though? I suppose he could have Jodie turn back into a previous Doctor for the 60th and then regenerate at the end.

Might not have a choice if that is what the BBC want. The 60th doesn't need to be a multi-Doctor story. Just chucking in a load of returning villains and characters would be enough. Save the multi-Doctor story for 2025 when it is the 20th anniversary of new Who and you can get Tennant, Smith and Whittaker all back (Eccleston is unlikely to do it with RTD involved).
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 09:17:55 PM
Eccleston is unlikely to do it with RTD involved

With the BBC involved.  They put out a press release in 2005 saying that he was leaving the show due to "tiredness" - making up a quote that they attributed to him.  He was furious because no producers wanted to work with him if he was likely to get tired, and he hasn't forgiven the BBC since.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Natnar on September 24, 2021, 09:20:55 PM
So am i right in thinking that Martha is the only RTD era companion that could back without any complications? Rose is in another universe with Clonedoctor and Donna will explode if she sees the Doctor again or something.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 24, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
Martha’s off with Mickey and I can guarantee he isn’t coming back.

Maybe the plan with Bad Wolf Productions producing it is for RTD to do a series or two then hand it over to someone else. The company keeps producing it with RTD above the showrunner.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Cloud on September 24, 2021, 09:29:07 PM
Ooh!

Surprising news but brilliant.  If anyone can unfuck the mess Chibbers made surely he can.
It's funny, when he left I was looking back on his worst stuff like "bah, farting aliens, a trampoline and an Annedroid" and how Moffat would be so much better.  But now look back on his era with fondness and I can't think of anyone I'd rather see in charge.  Well played, BBC.  Time to bring back the charm and excitement!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 24, 2021, 09:31:18 PM
Let’s hope this doesn’t turn into Mourinho’s second stint at Chelsea.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: The Roofdog on September 24, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
I almost feel bad for Chibbers now, looking at twitter it's the first time anyone's been excited about Who since shortly after The Woman Who Fell To Earth aired and I haven't seen anyone say it's a bad move, his failure could not be more complete.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 09:38:32 PM
Let’s hope this doesn’t turn into Mourinho’s second stint at Chelsea.

little reference for any fans of billiards out there
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 24, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
He's been rubbish so far.  Clattering and arpeggios.  He scores every scene like they are the building blocks of an exciting heist movie, ramping forever upwards towards a thrilling climax, regardless of what's going on.
I really like the synth chord motif that's in a lot of the episodes. I think generally his music's fine, often quite atmospheric, and by far the best theme of all the new ones. With better people in charge, I think he could be really good.

On the whole I want more electronic music and less orchestral. It's Doctor Who. As long as it's not fucking synthwave arpeggios.


Further thoughts since earlier... this is absolutely what the show needs in order to reclaim casual and lapsed fans. And for that I'm glad, even if I don't end up liking it very much. At the same time, it doesn't take a cynic to see this is a really desperate move from the BBC. It's hard not to see it as a last chance for the show, really. Like JNT at the start of McCoy's era, only it's actually Barry Letts and Terrance Dicks instead. It'll be really interesting to read about this in ten-to-fifteen years' time. I wonder how close we got to the show being put on hiatus.

It's funny, when he left I was looking back on his worst stuff like "bah, farting aliens, a trampoline and an Annedroid" and how Moffat would be so much better.  But now look back on his era with fondness and I can't think of anyone I'd rather see in charge.
Yeah, he's a much better choice than Moffat, because he knew the only way to bring the show back was a big, broad, colourful, easy watching show that would appeal to average telly viewers as much as it would Who fans and sci-fi nerds. Moffat managed to balance the knowing referencing and long-term continuity with popular storytelling for a while, but I do remember wondering during the Davros two-parter, how many people watching this really care about a Davros origin story? There's a general correlation between dropping viewing figures and increasing use of fan-service referencing. If anyone can save the show, RTD can.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 09:39:38 PM
I almost feel bad for Chibbers now, looking at twitter it's the first time anyone's been excited about Who since shortly after The Woman Who Fell To Earth aired and I haven't seen anyone say it's a bad move, his failure could not be more complete.

The information will not be processing within whatever you could call it.  No need to feel bad for him.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 24, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
Another thought occurs, by the way.


Around the time that RTD agreed the handover to Moffat, I understand that RTD began to allow his successor influence over little details so that the playing pieces would be in place for the transition to be smooth.  So fuck knows why, but The Doctor’s Daughter ended with Jenny surviving in case Moffat wanted to use her at a later date.  There were less shit examples as well, I just can’t think of them right now.  (Edited to add:  Moffat requested for the Daleks not to be used in the 2009 specials so they would have a chance to feel fresh again.)


Anyway, I am mentioning this because maybe the Timeless Children guff sent alarm bells ringing to such an extent that it was decided RTD needed to step in, and now RTD has been allowed to influence the trajectory of the development of that storyline so that it’s where he wants it to be when he takes over.  I mean how can that not be the case now?

It’s just a thought.  Maybe the series 13 development of the Timeless Child bullshit will be influenced more by RTD’s wishes than we’ll be told.

I hope you're right as The Timeless Child fills with me anger whenever I hear mention of it and I'll despise Chibnall for its introduction for the rest of my life, but RTD was responsible for hiring the twat in the first place, and does genuinely seem to like him, so I think the best we can hope for is that when he takes the reins again it'll just never be mentioned ever again.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 24, 2021, 09:55:01 PM
It almost certainly won't have occurred to him. He'll just amble on obliviously, secure in his delusion that he wrote some good Doctor Who episodes. Although I'm not sure he'll even think that. It's difficult to imagine Chris Chibnall really thinking about anything.

At the moment he's probably thinking it's his brilliant rewriting of the Doctor's backstory that has inspired RTD to come back.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 24, 2021, 09:57:21 PM
So does this mean Olly Alexander or Billie Piper as the next Dr? Or Julie Hesmondhalgh?

I'd imagine they must be thinking in terms of a WOC, at least as a strong possibility, at this point. At any rate, surely it has to be another woman, to prevent a large contingent of toxic male fans on the internet reframing Chibnall's failure as the fault of casting a female Doctor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 10:08:10 PM
Whenever anyone says Olly Alexander I still think of Olly from The Thick of It
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 24, 2021, 10:15:42 PM
With the BBC involved.  They put out a press release in 2005 saying that he was leaving the show due to "tiredness" - making up a quote that they attributed to him.  He was furious because no producers wanted to work with him if he was likely to get tired, and he hasn't forgiven the BBC since.

He's starred in several BBC productions since his stint on Doctor Who, most notably The A Word, Accused and The Shadow Line. His issue isn't with 'Auntie', it's with whatever happened specifically during his time working on Doctor Who.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: lipsink on September 24, 2021, 10:17:49 PM
Yeah it needs to be a woman to show idiots that it can be done right. It'll be Lydia West from It's A Sin and Years and Years, I reckon.

I am actually really delighted to hear this news. RTDs output these last few years has just been outstanding.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Psybro on September 24, 2021, 10:29:22 PM
What did you blackmail him with?

Threatened to tell everyone he goes around calling Chibnall his 'friend and hero'.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 24, 2021, 10:39:54 PM
I do remember wondering during the Davros two-parter, how many people watching this really care about a Davros origin story?

Ha, yeah, I'd started a Doctor Who watching club at my place with some pals, some of whom were only slightly aware of what Who is, and only a couple of us reacted to that big season-opening dramatic moment. Even for big fans of the present show, Davros was in, what, a couple of episodes five or six years earlier? Really bungled.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Pranet on September 24, 2021, 11:31:17 PM
Yeah it needs to be a woman to show idiots that it can be done right. It'll be Lydia West from It's A Sin and Years and Years, I reckon.

I am actually really delighted to hear this news. RTDs output these last few years has just been outstanding.

I remember listening to an interview with RTD from around the time that David Tennant said he was leaving, before Matt Smith was announced. The interviewer said something about a woman being cast as the next Doctor, and my memory of it is that RTD said we shouldn't even talk about it because even talking about it makes it more likely to happen. He was dead against it at the time. Not because he is a terrible misogynist. There were reasonable reasons for thinking it was a bad idea. But, when I found the interview it was at the height of the Steven Moffat is a terrible sexist thing and I remember thinking that if he had said the same things he would have been killed.

It might still be on a hard drive somewhere but I probably deleted it and even if I didn't no idea how I'd find it again. I think it was with the person who he did the writer's tale books with. I think it was an interview in front of an audience. But I might be totally misremembering/making this up.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 24, 2021, 11:50:36 PM
He's starred in several BBC productions since his stint on Doctor Who, most notably The A Word, Accused and The Shadow Line. His issue isn't with 'Auntie', it's with whatever happened specifically during his time working on Doctor Who.

Well Eccleston said this, so unless he is lying... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbFq37yhKl8
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 25, 2021, 12:16:05 AM
Well Eccleston said this, so unless he is lying... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbFq37yhKl8

That's an hour long, so you'll have to specify what he said. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Eccleston has no qualms about working with the BBC, he just had a bad experience during his time on Doctor Who.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 25, 2021, 12:19:27 AM
Well Eccleston said this, so unless he is lying... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbFq37yhKl8

at what time in the video did he say this
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: TwinPeaks on September 25, 2021, 03:04:57 AM
This is must be some of the greatest, most bizarre unexpected news I've ever heard. Absolutely floored. I'm so happy Doctor Who is going to be good again!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 25, 2021, 03:15:00 AM
so it was foretold

Would not be surprised if they got back RTD for one (anniversary) season.
He’s been oddly quiet too recently
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 25, 2021, 06:49:02 AM
That's an hour long, so you'll have to specify what he said. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Eccleston has no qualms about working with the BBC, he just had a bad experience during his time on Doctor Who.

It’s 16 minutes 20 seconds in, when he’s asked whether he’ll come back for the 60th.  He’s saying he won’t come back to television Who because the BBC invented a quote that made him toxic to producers, but he will do Big Finish and conventions.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 25, 2021, 08:54:37 AM
Yeah it needs to be a woman to show idiots that it can be done right. It'll be Lydia West from It's A Sin and Years and Years, I reckon.

I am actually really delighted to hear this news. RTDs output these last few years has just been outstanding.

She's a good actor, but difficult to tell from what I've seen of her if she'd be a good Doctor. I doubt RTD would cast someone who wouldn't be, though. (I still think - although she'd surely be better under a better showrunner, and did improve in S12 - that Jodie Whittaker, though a fine actor, is miscast in this role.)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 25, 2021, 09:31:23 AM
Eccleston has also said that he doubts he could ever work with RTD again. (https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-christopher-eccleston-russell-t-davies/)

Quote
“My relationship with my three immediate superiors – the showrunner, the producer and co-producer – broke down irreparably during the first block of filming and it never recovered,”

...

Asked if Davies was aware of the issues, Eccleston says, “If you’re the showrunner, you know everything. That’s your job,” adding that he “never will have” a working relationship with the screenwriter again.
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Post by: Alberon on September 25, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
There's a slim chance we might see what Whittaker would be like written by RTD in the 60th special, of course.
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Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 25, 2021, 10:02:11 AM
I probably deleted it and even if I didn't no idea how I'd find it again. I think it was with the person who he did the writer's tale books with. I think it was an interview in front of an audience. But I might be totally misremembering/making this up.

I'm convinced I listened to a podcast with Chibnall a while back when he was doing Broadchurch where he said he wasn't that bothered about Doctor Who and only wrote for it because it would impress his kids. Kept waiting for someone to bring it up when he became showrunner. But I can't find it, and like you, I may well have imagined it/misremembered it.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 25, 2021, 10:35:16 AM
It’s 16 minutes 20 seconds in, when he’s asked whether he’ll come back for the 60th.  He’s saying he won’t come back to television Who because the BBC invented a quote that made him toxic to producers, but he will do Big Finish and conventions.

Ta.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 25, 2021, 11:13:27 AM
I'm convinced I listened to a podcast with Chibnall a while back when he was doing Broadchurch where he said he wasn't that bothered about Doctor Who and only wrote for it because it would impress his kids. Kept waiting for someone to bring it up when he became showrunner. But I can't find it, and like you, I may well have imagined it/misremembered it.

I'd be surprised if that were true, if only because he's a longtime fan and there was of course his infamous appearance on Open Air back in 1986 where he complained about it being cliched around the 2 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkCe3owO7wY
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 25, 2021, 11:22:02 AM
Yeah, he's got a similar pedigree as RTD, Moffatt and Gatiss in terms of being a lifelong Who fanboy, although he's the only one of those who hadn't written for it before the revival.
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Post by: Spoon of Ploff on September 25, 2021, 01:03:23 PM
very pleased to read the news. tiny bit worried that his first show back is the 60th anniversary that he doesn't smother the screen with Master clones, cybermen and daleks all having a barney.

anyway. celebrated by making one of those NeuralBlender pictures. Can you tell what it is?

(https://i.imgur.com/bosieXo.png)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 25, 2021, 01:22:34 PM
Yeah, he's got a similar pedigree as RTD, Moffatt and Gatiss in terms of being a lifelong Who fanboy, although he's the only one of those who hadn't written for it before the revival.

And he is the only one of those men who lacks any redeeming qualities on any level as a human being.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 25, 2021, 01:23:39 PM
very pleased to read the news. tiny bit worried that his first show back is the 60th anniversary that he doesn't smother the screen with Master clones, cybermen and daleks all having a barney.

anyway. celebrated by making one of those NeuralBlender pictures. Can you tell what it is?

(https://i.imgur.com/bosieXo.png)

Frog on a chair, innit


Do one with it also wanking
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: chveik on September 25, 2021, 01:24:55 PM
Didn't he turn a blind eye to sexual predator John Barrowman's repeated sexual assaults of female cast and crew?

lol do you think fanboys care about this stuff
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 25, 2021, 01:26:11 PM
Yeah, he's got a similar pedigree as RTD, Moffatt and Gatiss in terms of being a lifelong Who fanboy, although he's the only one of those who hadn't written for it before the revival.

Chibnall didn't want to waste all of his amazing ideas on novels or audios.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Kelvin on September 25, 2021, 02:22:43 PM
I'd love the next Doctor to played by a big, camp and sexy gay like Olly Alexander, tbh. Continue to shake up what the Doctor can be.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Leo2112 on September 25, 2021, 02:35:05 PM
Is Mickey coming back?  Missed him
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 25, 2021, 02:40:10 PM
Chibnall didn't want to waste all of his amazing ideas on novels or audios.
Ironically, they're the perfect place for stuff like the Timeless Child. If it had been a Big Finish story he could have got it out of his system and everyone would have said "yeah, cool idea" and moved on.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 25, 2021, 04:30:16 PM
I'd love the next Doctor to played by a big, camp and sexy gay like Olly Alexander, tbh. Continue to shake up what the Doctor can be.

How about a fat black sumo wrestler
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 25, 2021, 05:05:15 PM
Ironically, they're the perfect place for stuff like the Timeless Child. If it had been a Big Finish story he could have got it out of his system and everyone would have said "yeah, cool idea" and moved on.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 25, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
So it looks like the new showrunner announcement was timed for after shooting had finished (presumably on Chibnall's 'specials' for next year). I do wonder if Chibnall has been subject to more managerial oversight for this last season. RTD says he's still a viewer (and Chibnall is great) but, as he's pointed out in the past, he'll cheerfully lie through his teeth if neccessary. Probably wishful thinking, but I'd love it if he's already done some course correction on the series.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 25, 2021, 05:51:12 PM
At this stage I can only imagine that RTD must have had some influence over series 13 and the course of the Timeless Child.


He wouldn’t have been asked to step in, but also patiently wait until Chibnall has finished his own stupid fan fiction trajectory before then fixing it all from scratch in series 14.  He will surely have had an influence over where the playing pieces will he sitting before he fully takes over.  No?  Or am I being too wishful?


Weird we can be having this conversation.  What can we hope for?  The Master was lying?  That’s basically it, for me.  The Master was trying to manipulate the Doctor to do something mad, so lied.  Or he was looking at a fake version of the Matrix, or something, and messing around with the Matrix archive could be a bit of a theme but that’s it.  Or he misunderstood it because he’s a dunce.  Anything.  There’s loads of options but I would like something to be spelled out so it doesn’t hang over things and get picked up by another hack showrunner further down the line.

Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: McDead on September 25, 2021, 05:59:13 PM
We have to consider the possibility that RTD *likes* the Timeless Child idea. He wasn't above this sort of wankery himself at times - all that "Tempered Schism" bollocks isn't a million miles from it.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 25, 2021, 06:01:15 PM
Honestly, if Chibnall manages to reveal it is all a big Master plot, I'll let him off some. It would be some amazing trolling. Although if that does happen he'll now be fucked off that everyone will assume it was RTD's idea.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: BritishHobo on September 25, 2021, 06:28:00 PM
So it looks like the new showrunner announcement was timed for after shooting had finished (presumably on Chibnall's 'specials' for next year). I do wonder if Chibnall has been subject to more managerial oversight for this last season. RTD says he's still a viewer (and Chibnall is great) but, as he's pointed out in the past, he'll cheerfully lie through his teeth if neccessary. Probably wishful thinking, but I'd love it if he's already done some course correction on the series.

Does this mean RTD will have been on set already with his new Doctor, and filmdd the regeneration?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 25, 2021, 06:49:13 PM
Does this mean RTD will have been on set already with his new Doctor, and filmdd the regeneration?

Assuming the regeneration happens in the TARDIS (which seems to be the standard way of doing things, as it allows for a closed set and a self-contained scene that doesn't impinge on stories in either direction), they might be able to film that later as a pick-up.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 25, 2021, 07:16:09 PM
I'm not sure RTD will have had any influence over the Chibnall episodes other than maybe where The Doctor is left at the end of the special (which will almost certainly be in the TARDIS alone).

It doesn't sound like this has been official for very long. Whilst I'm sure discussions have been going on in the background for a while and that Chibnall and RTD would have been talking about it, I don't see RTD making requests of Chibnall before the papers were signed.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 25, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
First leak from the new series:
(https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PRI_197610886.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C665)

Actual Story (https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/02/man-asked-waitress-to-call-me-in-creepy-note-on-receipt-with-725-tip-15198073/)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: canted_angle_again on September 25, 2021, 08:59:19 PM
Seeing Jodie regenerate is going to be the polar opposite emotional ride from watching Peter regenerated into her. No offence to Jodie, maximum offence to Chibnall.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 25, 2021, 09:17:07 PM
Oh. OH. I just had a thought. This won’t happen by the way. But who did RTD go after first time round? But who said no, and freely admits regretting it? And now does TV and is having quite the late-career renaissance doing so? Hugh Grant.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 25, 2021, 10:31:50 PM
I suppose all this is the final nail in the coffin of the idea that John Bishop is the new Doctor, which we can all be thankful for.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 25, 2021, 10:46:44 PM
Chibnall has introduced an infinite fucking Doctors because he is shit so John Bishop could still be a Doctor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 25, 2021, 10:54:23 PM
He should get McGann. Why the fuck not. Just for one series even.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 25, 2021, 10:56:21 PM
Tell you what, if the 60th is an multi-Doctor story and McGann isn't in it, I'm going to write a letter.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 25, 2021, 11:00:14 PM
Actually fuck McGann, he should get my beloved Pearl Mackie back.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on September 25, 2021, 11:02:09 PM
At this stage I can only imagine that RTD must have had some influence over series 13 and the course of the Timeless Child.

0% chance of this I reckon
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 25, 2021, 11:03:13 PM
Actually fuck McGann, he should get my beloved Pearl Mackie back.

We seem to have entered the dreams coming true part of Doctor Who's history so why not both?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: canted_angle_again on September 25, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
Tell you what, if the 60th is an multi-Doctor story and McGann isn't in it, I'm going to write a letter.

Same here...those two letters will really show them!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 25, 2021, 11:17:20 PM
DEAR CHEEKY CHOPS

(I bet one of you gimps will get that reference)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 25, 2021, 11:28:50 PM
We seem to have entered the dreams coming true part of Doctor Who's history so why not both?

While we're wishing, I actually just want the Capaldi/Mackie/Lucas crew back with Missy for absolutely any length of time whatsoever.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 12:16:44 AM
0% chance of this I reckon

Why.  With Chibnall handing it over, surely discussions would be had.  Even on a friendly level.  Maybe Chibnall only had an idea for what we saw in series 12, and admitted he needed help to expand it and make it worthwhile, so reached out to RTD.

Remember, RTD corresponded with Moffat to make sure Moffat would be happy with the playing pieces when he took it on.


It’s not so far fetched.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Rev+ on September 26, 2021, 12:40:12 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisWalkerT/status/1441409838953603072?s=20
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 01:17:44 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisWalkerT/status/1441409838953603072?s=20

He does a good Eccleston and Tennant.  His Capaldi is shocking though.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 26, 2021, 01:43:31 AM
There’s elements of him there, but it reminds me of Brydon & Coogan in The Trip arguing over how to do Michael Caine.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: jamiefairlie on September 26, 2021, 04:21:48 AM
He does a good Eccleston and Tennant.  His Capaldi is shocking though.

Yeah but he's doing Tennant's doctor there not Tennant himself.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 26, 2021, 07:41:53 AM
He should get McGann. Why the fuck not. Just for one series even.

I wouldn't rule this out - though as a 'Sarah Jane Adventures' / 'Torchwood' type of spinoff, rather than the main show.

I'm pretty sure he said something during the Lockdown Tweetalong about how he'd have loads of other shows in a Who Universe channel if he was still in charge.

Hang on, I'll see if I can dig out the actual quote . . .

. . .  OK, I was wrong - it was in a Radio Times interview :

Quote from: RTD
“There should be a Doctor Who channel now. You look at all those new Star Wars and Marvel shows, you think, we should be sitting here announcing The Nyssa Adventures or The Return of Donna Noble, and you should have the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors together in a 10-part series. Genuinely.

“You laugh, but did Star Trek fans ever think they’d be getting a Captain Pike series? Ever? That’s insane. The whole science fiction world is so creative and so money making right now, I think your wildest dreams can come true.”
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-marvel-shared-universe/

Here's my choices:
The Paternoster Gang - Victorian adventures with Strax & co - perfect for Sunday nights!
The Eighth Doctor Adventures - don't care who he's with - just make it before he's too old!

Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 07:51:41 AM
Yeah but he's doing Tennant's doctor there not Tennant himself.

I know; I thought it was obvious enough what I meant.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on September 26, 2021, 08:32:58 AM
Why.  With Chibnall handing it over, surely discussions would be had.  Even on a friendly level.  Maybe Chibnall only had an idea for what we saw in series 12, and admitted he needed help to expand it and make it worthwhile, so reached out to RTD.

Remember, RTD corresponded with Moffat to make sure Moffat would be happy with the playing pieces when he took it on.


It’s not so far fetched.

There's a world of difference between "please don't use the Daleks" and "I realised that I couldn't do my job so I asked someone to do it for me".
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 26, 2021, 10:48:30 AM
I hadn't thought of RTD setting up spinoff shows, but of course he will, won't he? All under the Bad Wolf production arm. I can see a Paternoster Gang (god that name is cheesy though) series, if Moffat fancied it for a bit of fun, could be great, Victorian-era romp going in and out of space opera stuff, marvellous.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 26, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
Yeah, but… none of the spin-offs to date have really set the world on fire, have they? And they’re all Companion-based (well, sort of - I don’t know what the basis of Class was).

Whereas, say, all the Star Trek shows are still Starfleet-based (or have mostly ex Starfleet in - like ST: PIC). Perhaps they should have another show about another Time Lord, but how to make that interesting?

If Star Trek spin-offs were done the way Who ones were, we’d have had Samuel T. Cogley: Space Lawyer! Quark’s Bar! Neelix & Son! Constable Odo Investigates! Which would probably all have been awesome, to be fair. As would the mooted Gary Seven & Isis show. Captain Proton, though, not really sure…
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 26, 2021, 12:26:10 PM
But now they've seen what works, and what doesn't work. I still don't know what the hell Class was all about. Their models now are The Mandelorian and Wandvaision - obviously with nowhere near the budget, but that's fine, it's the imagination and ambition that's important at this stage.

*braces self for a series about the Trump substitute played by that Sex and the City bloke*
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 26, 2021, 12:37:24 PM
Once upon a time, a Martha & Mickey show might have worked. Go for a whole Nick & Nora Charles/Thin Man vibe, only they’re investigating aliens etc. in a fun not-looking-to-shag-them-yes-Torchwood-I’m-looking-at-you way. A grown-up-but-not-that-way SJA, sort of.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 26, 2021, 12:42:39 PM
I hadn't thought of RTD setting up spinoff shows, but of course he will, won't he? All under the Bad Wolf production arm. I can see a Paternoster Gang (god that name is cheesy though) series, if Moffat fancied it for a bit of fun, could be great, Victorian-era romp going in and out of space opera stuff, marvellous.

TBH, rather than wiping out Chibnall's Timeless Child bollocks, I wouldn't put it past him to do a spin-off based on pre-Hartnell Doctors, or whatever that Time Lord organisation was that the Jo Martin Doctor worked for. But he'd do well to keep it out of the main show.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 26, 2021, 12:45:21 PM
Bit of a fun exchange between The Moff and 'The T' on instagram :

(https://i.imgur.com/AVajyAu.jpg)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 12:51:43 PM
There's a world of difference between "please don't use the Daleks" and "I realised that I couldn't do my job so I asked someone to do it for me".

Hmm, that's an insulting take on what I was saying - there's a difference between admitting you need guidance and letting someone completely just do your job.  RTD and Moffat were in regular contact and RTD did more than that to prepare for Moffat, as I said.

You are forgetting that during his own tenure, Moffat would frequently get in touch with RTD for his views on stories he was writing, for ideas and emotional beats.  They are all friends and they are in contact, not simply detached acquaintances being professionally courteous.

It's not completely absurd that Chibnall would get in touch with his friends to rescue him from his self-made hole, especially since RTD would be taking over anyway a few months later.  Moffat was in touch with RTD; why wouldn't Chibnall be?

It's also not entirely improbable that the BBC themselves insisted on RTD having a guiding force behind series 13 to make sure RTD wasn't inheriting a completely irreconcilable mess.  It's pretty clear now that they already knew Chibnall wasn't up to the job - whether due to the quality of the show or Chibnall expressing that he couldn't cope, we may never know.


But yeah.  No need to be contrary just because I am saying things.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 26, 2021, 12:51:59 PM
(well, sort of - I don’t know what the basis of Class was).

And that’s how mothman lost his job as editor of Living Marxism magazine

Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 12:59:44 PM
Bit of a fun exchange between The Moff and 'The T' on instagram :

(https://i.imgur.com/AVajyAu.jpg)

I don't get it.  Does he mean they get overweight extras to fill the costumes when they return?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 26, 2021, 01:01:32 PM
It's not completely absurd that Chibnall would get in touch with his friends to rescue him from his self-made hole, especially since RTD would be taking over anyway a few months later.  Moffat was in touch with RTD; why wouldn't Chibnall be?

It's also not entirely improbable that the BBC themselves insisted on RTD having a guiding force behind series 13 to make sure RTD wasn't inheriting a completely irreconcilable mess.  It's pretty clear now that they already knew Chibnall wasn't up to the job - whether due to the quality of the show or Chibnall expressing that he couldn't cope, we may never know.

The latter is quite possible. The former? That would involve Chinball realising he was fucking it up and I'm not sure he's capable of that.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 26, 2021, 01:02:11 PM
I don't get it.  Does he mean they get overweight extras to fill the costumes when they return?

He's referring to the fat Duplo Daleks that no one liked.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 26, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
I don't get it.  Does he mean they get overweight extras to fill the costumes when they return?

Moffatt is referring to RTD himself. I didn't get it at first, I thought they were referring to Michael Kilgarriff in Attack of the Cybermen where he played The (Fat) Cybercontroller simply because he'd played the role twenty years earlier.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 01:04:43 PM
The latter is quite possible. The former? That would involve Chinball realising he was fucking it up and I'm not sure he's capable of that.

That did occur to me.  My ultimate point was simply the hope that RTD has had a guiding influence over series 13 so that Chibnall has been unable to run shitshod all over Doctor Who history on his own.

Whether this is specifically due to Chibnall's own self-awareness or the BBC saying 'fuck this you need RTD to get things back on track' is immaterial.


It's just a hope and also, I believe, not a stretch.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 26, 2021, 01:05:54 PM
Doubt he will since he's not been gone for anywhere near as long, but I hope Moffat writes an episode.

Still thinking about how crazy this is. Looking at the timescale, it's like if, instead of cancelling Doctor Who in 1989, they'd brought back Hinchcliffe and Holmes. Mental.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 01:08:45 PM
Robert "The Two Doctors (1985)" Holmes, as he is known around here.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on September 26, 2021, 01:13:39 PM
Hmm, that's an insulting take on what I was saying...

But yeah.  No need to be contrary just because I am saying things.

Apologies, I wasn't trying to be a dick (on this occasion).

I do think that if you hare hoping that next season is going to be a lot better and have RTD's fingerprints all over it, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 26, 2021, 01:17:49 PM
Robert "The Two Doctors (1985)" Holmes, as he is known around here.
Haha, forgot that. To take over I mean, and choose a new Doctor and everything.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 01:19:26 PM
Apologies, I wasn't trying to be a dick (on this occasion).

I do think that if you hare hoping that next season is going to be a lot better and have RTD's fingerprints all over it, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Ah, no worries.  I'm probably being a bit sensitive/defensive.

I'm not going to be disappointed, because I have no plan to watch any new Doctor Who until RTD is back in the driver's seat, unless everyone in these threads starts remarking that series 13 has magically fixed things.


That's the one great thing about Chibnall's Doctor Who:  you don't have to bother watching it.  You glean exactly the same dramatic impact from reading the wikipedia summaries, with the bonus that you waste substantially less time and finish your day infinitely less angry.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Talulah, really! on September 26, 2021, 01:23:36 PM
He's referring to the fat Duplo Daleks that no one liked.

...and RTD replying with a passing allusive nod to the the lyric of Ghosts by Japan, one of the few successful chart songs ever to be based on late '70s/'80s Doctor Who soundtracks[1].
 1. The glorious days of 'oh, what does that button do? Yeah, that's a nice sprong it will go well with those random squirks we need for the laboratory scene.[1]
 1. The Random Squirks along with The Ascendent Quarks and Biros in Pocket being one of the leading lights of the short lived 'Boffinpop' of the Laboratory Scene in 1981
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 26, 2021, 02:24:45 PM
And that’s how mothman lost his job as editor of Living Marxism magazine

My secret shame, laid bare for all the world to see. Would also have accepted “You are Keir Starmer and I claim my £5.”
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Cloud on September 26, 2021, 03:23:41 PM
Overweight Master confirmed then

The only thing that worries me with all this is that we're all getting our hopes up and maybe he'll somehow turn out to be shit.  But can't be worse than Chibs surely?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: A Hat Like That on September 26, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
The Matrix being a completely unreliable narrator isn't the worst way around the Timeless child but its something I'd expect from a Bulis EDA not a TV show.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 26, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
I'm sure we'll still moan about stuff, but RTD is clearly many levels above Chibnall and it's not like his output has dropped in quality lately.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Norton Canes on September 26, 2021, 04:34:06 PM
Which Star Wars robot was glad to see Russell T Davies return for a seond stint?

RTD2 (R2D2)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 26, 2021, 04:39:39 PM
Chibnall's 3 (Series) Piss Off

Or C3PO for short.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on September 26, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
I'm sure we'll still moan about stuff, but RTD is clearly many levels above Chibnall and it's not like his output has dropped in quality lately.

Yep. Far as I'm concerned the show already hit rock bottom, so even if RTD's return is a car crash it'll still be an improvement, short of the 60th Anniversary episode being three hours of Barrowman grinding his balls on William Hartnell's grave.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ambient Sheep on September 26, 2021, 05:01:28 PM
Bit of a fun exchange between The Moff and 'The T' on instagram :

(https://i.imgur.com/AVajyAu.jpg)

Hah, that's wonderful!

(And yes, of course it's referring to what Ballad just wonderfully called the "fat Duplo Daleks". :-) )
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 05:17:01 PM
Those fatleks being eleven years ago now, it doesn't feel like that can possibly be his intention.  I think it's just self-deprecation from a middle-aged man saying the usual "fatter and balder now, etc" thing.


The other readings in this thread show it's not especially clear, in any case.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 26, 2021, 05:20:26 PM
Which Star Wars robot was glad to see Russell T Davies return for a seond stint?

RTD2 (R2D2)

It's doing the rounds.

(https://i.ibb.co/bNMqFn5/IMG-3447.jpg)



There's a recording from about two years ago of some (spam) chat where this joke came up, because someone mispronounced R2D2 as RTD2.  Wasn't as timely then, though.  Ahead of our times.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Norton Canes on September 26, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
I fully admit to having nicked that joke and lay no claim to its invention.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on September 26, 2021, 06:20:31 PM
I'm surprised at the relative lack of "second coming" jokes to be honest.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 26, 2021, 06:30:46 PM
I hope RTD brings back that guy who written 42!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 26, 2021, 06:35:17 PM
I wouldn't rule this out - though as a 'Sarah Jane Adventures' / 'Torchwood' type of spinoff, rather than the main show.

I'm pretty sure he said something during the Lockdown Tweetalong about how he'd have loads of other shows in a Who Universe channel if he was still in charge.

Hang on, I'll see if I can dig out the actual quote . . .

. . .  OK, I was wrong - it was in a Radio Times interview :
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-marvel-shared-universe/

Here's my choices:
The Paternoster Gang - Victorian adventures with Strax & co - perfect for Sunday nights!
The Eighth Doctor Adventures - don't care who he's with - just make it before he's too old!
So basically Big Finish On Screen, then.

I mean, they wouldn't even need new scripts. Just do proper telly adaptations of the best Big Finish stories, there are plenty to be going on with.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 26, 2021, 07:25:35 PM
I think they'd struggle to fund it at the BBC right now. They've struggled to get one full series per year over the last decade of the main show.

Something like The Paternoster Gang might have an appeal with a non-Who audience, which would be a key in getting a co-production deal which might get it on the air. It seems strange looking back considering how shit it was, but Torchwood had a pretty big audience of non-Who fans particularly in America.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Thomas on September 27, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
When I saw this news on Friday, I yelped an apt 'WHAT?', and the fact returned to me throughout the weekend like an uncanny moment in a dream.

Obviously this decision speaks of great turmoil behind the scenes, and a desperate need to rescue the show, but I'm thrilled that Doctor Who will have fun episodes and actual characters again, and a showrunner with a bright passion for the show (as opposed to a dreary manager trudging his way through a brief shift, dropping occasional Post-It notes of publicity like a bored salesman in a call centre). I hope RTD doesn't respect his friend Chris too much that he ends up honouring the Timeless Child developments.

I loved Years and Years, Banana, A Very English Scandal, and It's a Sin. Davies is brilliant. His Doctor Who is hit and miss (I think I'm a Moffat fanboy at heart), with some flaws built into the very nature of RTD Era 1 and its preoccupation with romance, but his hits were high and his misses were colourful, and his universe felt huge and populated with weirdness. His abstract vision of the Time War is a good demonstration of his imagination, and I loved his ability to contrast and anchor everything with wonderful kitchen sink stuff.

yes mate
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 27, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
*Barrowman awaits phone call*
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on September 27, 2021, 01:26:48 PM
lol do you think fanboys care about this stuff

Depressingly not.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 27, 2021, 01:36:27 PM
*Barrowman awaits phone call*

(https://i.imgur.com/sOfqUEm.png)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Norton Canes on September 27, 2021, 01:44:51 PM
Obviously this decision speaks of great turmoil behind the scenes, and a desperate need to rescue the show

Not sure I agree with all this talk of turmoil and desperation. Okay so they probably binned Chibnall at relatively short notice when he might have hung around a year or two longer but they've drafted in one of the most in-demand writers in the business and whether the BBC approached him first or he offered his services to them is really neither here or there. They want someone who is at the very least a safe pair of hands and can potentially restore the show to its best and they've got the perfect candidate. If RTD had been struggling to find his mojo over the past few years it might smack of ill-judgement but arguably he's at the peak of his powers right now. He might only do one season after the 60th but by then the BBC will have had three years to find a replacement who has a vision for the show they're happy with. That's the beauty of a time machine - sometimes you can put the future on hold.

He better not come up with anything as awful as Boom Town though.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 27, 2021, 03:38:17 PM
I still think the plan is for RTD to guide the first year or so as showrunner and then take a more handoff approach as he and Bad Wolf (and the BBC obviously) appoint someone to run it, but he'll still be there to steer the overall direction.

Great turmoil I don't know about, but it's clear this is a course correction from the BBC. I wonder if Chibnall wanted to go on and wasn't offered an extension?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Blofelds Cat on September 27, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
His number one remit will be to get those lost viewers back that have deserted in droves since JWs first episode...that proved there was an audience there but didnt like what was served up...

RTD will need to offer the audience a big hook to grab them...cast a woman?  that bolts been shot and squandered by Chinballs...I think he will cast a big name that will make the audience sit up and tune in...they will be a one season and done and then step aside for someone like Lydia West or Tnia Miller or this Olly lad...calling it now...reckon he will cast Hugh Grant...
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 27, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
That sounds as ludicrously unlikely as well... RTD coming back.

I'm just going to pop off to the bookies.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 27, 2021, 05:32:03 PM
I think he'll keep The Doctor a woman as changing gender again doesn't have the best optics. High Grant will clearly be the new Rani.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 27, 2021, 05:35:31 PM
I think he'll keep The Doctor a woman as changing gender again doesn't have the best optics. High Grant will clearly be the new Rani.

fucking terrible optics i've not a shred of doubt that the new doctor will be a woman again
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 27, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
Or it'll be a bloke of colour. It's why Lenny Henry looked like the most plausible option in the recent round of bookies' odds (and not the omnipresent Kris Marshall), despite him guest-starring in a Chibnall season and being of questionable dramatic chops when compared with Capaldi et al.[1]

Olivia Colman, maybe? She seems game for a laugh, and her last Who role was barely more than a cameo. I'm certain feelers must have been put out to her, at least, although I don't know what her Crown schedule is like.

Gemma Arterton expressed interest in being The Doctor, but has said she won't take over from Jodie.

But I imagine they'll be hitting up anyone who's a big star, national treasure or young and attractive woman/male POC. Ideally someone who clocks all three, although I'm not sure who that might be.
 1. At least, as far as I'm aware, I'll admit I've mostly only seen him in comedy roles.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Midas on September 27, 2021, 05:53:05 PM
Or... Paul McGann?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on September 27, 2021, 06:00:48 PM
Or it'll be a bloke of colour. It's why Lenny Henry looked like the most plausible option in the recent round of bookies' odds (and not the omnipresent Kris Marshall), despite him guest-starring in a Chibnall season and being of questionable dramatic chops when compared with Capaldi et al.[1]

Olivia Colman, maybe? She seems game for a laugh, and her last Who role was barely more than a cameo. I'm certain feelers must have been put out to her, at least, although I don't know what her Crown schedule is like.

 1. At least, as far as I'm aware, I'll admit I've mostly only seen him in comedy roles.

I doubt they could get Colman now, she's too famous and busy to be tied down to Who.

Lenny's definitely got drama chops so I reckon he could pull it off, I did wonder if he'd be in the running as Chibnall's doctor as they'd worked together on Broadchurch. But he got the crap Bond villain part instead.

Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 27, 2021, 06:13:53 PM
Colman being busy seems to be a bigger block than her being famous. She doesn't strike me as the sort who'd view being The Doctor as beneath her.

Maybe it will be Hugh Grant, but only for one series, then swapping over to a woman/POC afterwards. Although I suppose that would require Davies to definitely sign on for at least 2 and probably (to avoid giving the second actor short shrift or imposing on the new showrunner) 3 series.

Wonder if they'll take this opportunity to restructure the showrunner role into something more sustainable, like the old producer/head writer pairings? Since having it as just one job is clearly unattractive to most...
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 27, 2021, 06:47:18 PM
Hugh Grant would be great. Anyone who's seen him in fairly recent things such as Paddington 2 and RTD's A Very English Scandal will be aware that he's a fine, versatile character actor who, partly through his own fault, was typecast for years as that bumbling gosh golly crikey rom-com version of himself. Turns out there was more to him than that all along.

But I agree, the next Doctor has to be a woman. Casting a man will look like an outright rejection of Whittaker - she doesn't deserve that at all - and provide fuel for all those septic arseholes who think Doctor Who has gone downhill because one of those wimmins is starring in it.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jack Shaftoe on September 27, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Gemma Arterton expressed interest in being The Doctor, but has said she won't take over from Jodie.

Jesus Christ, I don't think I could take Gemma Arterton larking about in a big coat being the Doctor, it would be like someone reached into my brain and made all my fantasies come true. It would be too much, like Charlie Brown finally getting to kick that football, it would seem cool at the time, but the terrible emptiness that would follow.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 27, 2021, 07:06:40 PM
I think Hugh Grant, in particular, though I'm sure he'd do a great job in the role, is a bit too stereotypical-privileged-white-male to be a good choice at the moment.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 27, 2021, 07:07:00 PM
Jesus Christ, I don't think I could take Gemma Arterton larking about in a big coat being the Doctor, it would be like someone reached into my brain and made all my fantasies come true. It would be too much, like Charlie Brown finally getting to kick that football, it would seem cool at the time, but the terrible emptiness that would follow.

Like that day we all get to see our best mate’s dad shaving when we’re kids.  We dream about it for years, then the truth unveils itself and strips our lives back to square one.


So cruel.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 27, 2021, 07:11:54 PM
I think Hugh Grant, in particular, though I'm sure he'd do a great job in the role, is a bit too stereotypical-privileged-white-male to be a good choice at the moment.

Absolutely, he'd be the wrong choice at this particular moment in time (and space).
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 27, 2021, 07:55:51 PM
Gosh, Hugh Grant you say? Now there’s an idea…
Oh. OH. I just had a thought. This won’t happen by the way. But who did RTD go after first time round? But who said no, and freely admits regretting it? And now does TV and is having quite the late-career renaissance doing so? Hugh Grant.

As for the optics, what is more important? Getting in the “ultra-woke” choice (as you just know it will be called by those cunts in the press), or casting someone that will make people want to watch the show again? Sooner or later there will be another white bloke as the Doctor. And when there is, they’ll say the same things. If the show lasts that long…
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 27, 2021, 10:14:18 PM
Yeah, sooner or later there will be another white posh man Doctor who ticks all the boxes for Edwardian Gent yet again.  Right now we haven’t had a decent stint yet with a woman Doctor, so let’s try that first.


Believe it or not you could probably have an “ultra woke choice” (as you have chosen to label this) who also makes people want to watch the show again.  It’s not the case that the show will only succeed if it serves up stereotypes and parodies of itself.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 27, 2021, 10:29:15 PM
Yeah but regardless of what the precise words used will be, I’m not wrong though - about their intent and motives - am I?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ambient Sheep on September 27, 2021, 11:09:45 PM
Gosh, Hugh Grant you say? Now there’s an idea…

Isn't this where... ...we came in? :-)

If not [McGann], then I think Hugh Grant would be an inspired choice.

(From the top of page 2 of the first-ever new-Who thread!!)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 27, 2021, 11:20:00 PM
Yeah but regardless of what the precise words used will be, I’m not wrong though - about their intent and motives - am I?

Not clear what you think their intent or motives are, but swapping back immediately after Jodie would absolutely give the message that women cannot successfully be "The Doctor" and would give the impression that this is the Beeb's official stance (rather than just "Ooh, Hugh Grant is popular"). So yeah, they can't back down now without giving that message.

And as Replies says, "woman actor" and "someone who makes people want to watch the show" are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: McDead on September 28, 2021, 01:58:42 AM
Emma Thompson, then?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Thomas on September 28, 2021, 09:38:33 AM
Jesus Christ, I don't think I could take Gemma Arterton larking about in a big coat being the Doctor, it would be like someone reached into my brain and made all my fantasies come true. It would be too much, like Charlie Brown finally getting to kick that football, it would seem cool at the time, but the terrible emptiness that would follow.

If Gemma Arterton were cast as the Doctor, my partner would give me the same look she gives whenever I suggest we watch something that happens to star Karen Gillan. A weary glance to camera.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 10:27:23 AM
If Gemma Arterton were cast as the Doctor, my partner would give me the same look she gives whenever I suggest we watch something that happens to star Karen Gillan. A weary glance to camera.

Are you the camera in this sequence?  I am finding it difficult to reconcile.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: HamishMacbeth on September 28, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Not clear what you think their intent or motives are, but swapping back immediately after Jodie would absolutely give the message that women cannot successfully be "The Doctor" and would give the impression that this is the Beeb's official stance (rather than just "Ooh, Hugh Grant is popular"). So yeah, they can't back down now without giving that message.

And as Replies says, "woman actor" and "someone who makes people want to watch the show" are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, it will seal in the idea that Jodie is the exception that proves the rule, or that the BBC has caved and we might never get another woman again, but there's still a chance they'll do it under a sort of wooly minded "well now it can be anyone, it would be strange to be a woman twice in a row" faux egalitarian thing.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
If it was Hugh Grant it wouldn’t even just be swapping back from a woman to a man - he’s the very definition of a white posh English bloke with floppy hair - basically the TV Movie stereotype version of the Doctor.  It wouldn’t even be subtle.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 28, 2021, 12:04:36 PM
Maybe it'll be a woman who is big on UK TV, like your Suranne Jones (already been in it), Katherine Kelly (been in Class), Lesley Sharp (already been in it), Nicola Walker (been in Big Finish), Anna Maxwell Martin (already been in it), Keeley Hawes (already been in it), MyAnna Buring (already been in it). Yeah they're all white I know.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 28, 2021, 12:08:59 PM
Michaela Coel might have done a season with RTD, but she's off filming the next Black Panther film and is probably too big for Doctor Who already.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 12:11:16 PM
I do suspect it’ll be a bigger name than Jodie Whittaker, because they will want the casting to be part of the headline-grabbing course correction.  I’d love it to be a distinguished older women - somebody with dignity and wisdom rather than surface sex appeal, not that these are mutually exclusive, but I am thinking along the lines of Murder She Wrote for some reason.  I think that would be a good model.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: imitationleather on September 28, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
Shamima Begum?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 12:15:53 PM
Michaela Coel might have done a season with RTD, but she's off filming the next Black Panther film and is probably too big for Doctor Who already.

I don’t think anyone is too big for Doctor Who, but certainly younger actors who are trying to make it in Hollywood would consider it a look back.  It might be another reason for older famous actors to be more likely.  Peter Capaldi, for example, didn’t think the show was beneath him, despite all the work he has done.  (Yes he has been a lifelong fan, but that needn’t define this.)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 28, 2021, 12:20:43 PM
I do suspect it’ll be a bigger name than Jodie Whittaker, because they will want the casting to be part of the headline-grabbing course correction.  I’d love it to be a distinguished older women - somebody with dignity and wisdom rather than surface sex appeal, not that these are mutually exclusive, but I am thinking along the lines of Murder She Wrote for some reason.  I think that would be a good model.

Angela Lansbury is still alive. She's 95 so there might be less running about than normal, but she's still around.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: The Roofdog on September 28, 2021, 12:25:21 PM
I do suspect it’ll be a bigger name than Jodie Whittaker, because they will want the casting to be part of the headline-grabbing course correction.  I’d love it to be a distinguished older women - somebody with dignity and wisdom rather than surface sex appeal, not that these are mutually exclusive, but I am thinking along the lines of Murder She Wrote for some reason.  I think that would be a good model.

I think this is where they'll go. Gillian Anderson or GTFO.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
Graciously Traditional Flying Object
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 28, 2021, 12:31:35 PM
I'm guessing a certain forum member isn't a fan as they've not been in here suggesting Jodie Comer.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 28, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
Miriam Margolyes has a bit of Tom Baker in her, but I think she's living in Australia most of the time these days, so probably wouldn't be available. *

- - - - -
* (if she wanted to do it, of course - she might think it's just a load of silly rubbish!)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 28, 2021, 01:15:12 PM
I'm guessing a certain forum member isn't a fan as they've not been in here suggesting Jodie Comer.

I don't want somebody I fancy to be The Doctor. It would be like dreaming of a snog with William Hartnell.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 02:04:32 PM
I don't want somebody I fancy to be The Doctor. It would be like dreaming of a snog with William Hartnell.

Pointless because those are ten a penny
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: lipsink on September 28, 2021, 02:17:33 PM
Miriam Margolyes has a bit of Tom Baker in her.

I heard he did get about in the 70s.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 28, 2021, 02:56:07 PM
Gillian Anderson or GTFO.
Could definitely get behind this.
Also I'm all for Tilda Swinton still.

T'Nia Miller does seem like a serious contender, I'd say, though.

Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 28, 2021, 03:18:04 PM
God, Tilda Swinton would be a dream come true. Gillian Anderson likewise - she's said she wants to do more comedy, so this seems right up her street. And she's British enough to not trigger my "no foreign Doctors" moaning, but American enough to maybe have some appeal over there.

Michaela Coel might have done a season with RTD, but she's off filming the next Black Panther film and is probably too big for Doctor Who already.

Nah, I can't see her bothering to star in any TV show she's not also writing. Maybe a guest star turn if she's a fan, but devoting a year to someone else's creative vision would be a bit of a backwards step in a newly burgeoning career. Save that for when you're 40 and comfortably established, I reckon.

Maybe it'll be a woman who is big on UK TV, like your Suranne Jones (already been in it), Katherine Kelly (been in Class), Lesley Sharp (already been in it), Nicola Walker (been in Big Finish), Anna Maxwell Martin (already been in it), Keeley Hawes (already been in it), MyAnna Buring (already been in it). Yeah they're all white I know.

Colin Baker, Lalla Ward, Capaldi and Gillan had all previously been in Who (and spin-offs, in Capaldi's case) before their turns as The Doctor or a companion, of course.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 28, 2021, 03:21:03 PM
Tennant was also in Big Finish and Scream of the Shalka before playing The Doctor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 28, 2021, 03:21:54 PM
I guarantee Judi Dench's agent has fielded calls about this.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 28, 2021, 03:29:12 PM
Might be a mad idea but if the BBC do want a big name to pull in viewers, they could always have the big name just for the 60th.

In fact a story about a newly regenerated Doctor being forced to sacrifice themselves so soon could have a certain impact. Then again, now regeneration is meaningless and The Doctor is a secret alien who can regenerate an infinite amount of times, it probably wouldn't have the impact it might once have had.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Plus John Hurt’s incarnation was that very thing, with the bonus of being everything it was:  a repressed bridge between classic and new eras.  No mayfly Doctor from this point can possibly have an equal impact.


Just cast a famous person as the Doctor if you want to go that way again.  The BBC have the option of spending enough money to save the show or not.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 28, 2021, 04:03:29 PM
Colin Baker, Lalla Ward, Capaldi and Gillan had all previously been in Who (and spin-offs, in Capaldi's case) before their turns as The Doctor or a companion, of course.
I only noted it because it was funny to me that I'm seemingly incapable of thinking of actors who haven't been in Doctor Who. I'd forgotten MyAnna Buring (The Impossible Planet) and Anna Maxwell Martin (The Long Game) had already been in it, thought they were good picks.

Going to suggest Ruth Wilson now. More famous than Jodie, not above doing sci-fi on the BBC, interesting and good actor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 28, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
Then again, now regeneration is meaningless and The Doctor is a secret alien who can regenerate an infinite amount of times, it probably wouldn't have the impact it might once have had.

the fact that regeneration is now weightless and can happen forever fits terribly with the fact that in later seasons regeneration behaves like a walking atom bomb, so there's no logical reason in-universe why the doctor shouldn't be using it frequently a la wiping out a dalek fleet in time of the doctor
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 05:02:59 PM
This is presumably one of many things RTD is sensitive to and will hopefully fix.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on September 28, 2021, 05:31:35 PM
He could take the approach that he did writing Tennant - that the Doctor might now have infinite lives but it still feels like he's dying and some other guy is waltzing off in his trousers.

Would perfectly explain their reluctance to do it every week.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 28, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
Maybe this is why Phoebe Waller-Bridge stepped away from that "Mr and Mrs Smith" thing.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 28, 2021, 05:48:28 PM
Maybe this is why Phoebe Waller-Bridge stepped away from that "Mr and Mrs Smith" thing.

i'm going to kill myself
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 28, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
the fact that regeneration is now weightless and can happen forever fits terribly with the fact that in later seasons regeneration behaves like a walking atom bomb, so there's no logical reason in-universe why the doctor shouldn't be using it frequently a la wiping out a dalek fleet in time of the doctor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF_vOyo0H5Y
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: chveik on September 28, 2021, 06:48:23 PM
i'm going to kill myself

*looks anxiously at the camera*
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on September 28, 2021, 07:07:02 PM
Colin Baker, Lalla Ward, Capaldi and Gillan had all previously been in Who (and spin-offs, in Capaldi's case) before their turns as The Doctor or a companion, of course.

And Freema.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 28, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
And Peter Purves.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 28, 2021, 07:20:11 PM
*looks anxiously at the camera*

(https://i.imgur.com/yb42cTN.png)

crass thing to say tho sorry
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 28, 2021, 07:24:14 PM
Not a Fleabag fan then?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Gurke and Hare on September 28, 2021, 08:20:47 PM
It should be a woman (prefereably OC) just to annoy all the "Hooray, now it won't be woke any more!" Ian Levine disciples. Who of course, were all the people doing the "gay agenda" whining in 2005.

Those fatleks being eleven years ago now, it doesn't feel like that can possibly be his intention.  I think it's just self-deprecation from a middle-aged man saying the usual "fatter and balder now, etc" thing.

Isn't it part self-deprecation, part a gentle "ha ha, you did the Dalek redesign that nobody liked" dig?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 28, 2021, 08:21:20 PM
if there's something Who needs less of it's posh twats. wallers-bridge is fucking landed gentry
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 28, 2021, 08:25:02 PM
It should be a woman (prefereably OC) just to annoy all the "Hooray, now it won't be woke any more!" Ian Levine disciples. Who of course, were all the people doing the "gay agenda" whining in 2005.

Isn't it part self-deprecation, part a gentle "ha ha, you did the Dalek redesign that nobody liked" dig?

Far more likely to have meant the Fat Controller imo
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2021, 08:28:35 PM
Isn't it part self-deprecation, part a gentle "ha ha, you did the Dalek redesign that nobody liked" dig?

This thread has shown nobody can agree on this, so I can't say one way or the other.  It's definitely RTD saying "yes we returning villains always gain a little in the girth department" but whatever else he's referring to we may never settle on.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 28, 2021, 08:34:52 PM
I only noted it because it was funny to me that I'm seemingly incapable of thinking of actors who haven't been in Doctor Who. I'd forgotten MyAnna Buring (The Impossible Planet) and Anna Maxwell Martin (The Long Game) had already been in it, thought they were good picks.

To be fair, Doctor Who has probably had about 60 per cent of the UK's currently active actors in it at some point. Throw in the Harry Potter and Tolkien films and you'll probably have all of them except the actual children. And Idris Elba.

Hm.

Idris Elba?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ja'moke on September 28, 2021, 08:45:46 PM
Colin Baker, Lalla Ward, Capaldi and Gillan had all previously been in Who (and spin-offs, in Capaldi's case) before their turns as The Doctor or a companion, of course.

If they're going to pick a woman who has already appeared in Who then it should be Rachael Stirling.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alternative Carpark on September 28, 2021, 08:47:44 PM
Colin Baker, Lalla Ward, Capaldi and Gillan had all previously been in Who (and spin-offs, in Capaldi's case) before their turns as The Doctor or a companion, of course.

And Freema.

And Peter Purves.

Ian Marter too. Could possibly also include Nicholas Courtney if semi-regulars count.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 28, 2021, 08:52:05 PM
Going to suggest Ruth Wilson now. More famous than Jodie, not above doing sci-fi on the BBC, interesting and good actor.

Going forward, I am never not going to be confusing Ruth Wilson and Ruth Jones, so I really had to think about this one for a minute.

Isn't this where... ...we came in? :-)

(From the top of page 2 of the first-ever new-Who thread!!)

(Yeah, but I suggested Grant afresh, I’m aware he’s been in the frame before, silly! ;-)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 28, 2021, 09:09:11 PM
If they're going to pick a woman who has already appeared in Who then it should be Rachael Stirling.

Or Anna Maxwell Martin.

Actually, I think RTD should go full‐on and play the Doctor himself.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ambient Sheep on September 28, 2021, 09:26:27 PM
(Yeah, but I suggested Grant afresh, I’m aware he’s been in the frame before, silly! ;-)

I know!  I just thought it was amusing that 17 years on he's still getting mentioned!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 28, 2021, 10:06:13 PM
Actually, I think RTD should go full‐on and play the Doctor himself.

"Quel dommage, Davros."
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 28, 2021, 10:10:15 PM
"Quel dommage, Davros."

And then he fires beams out of his eyes.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 28, 2021, 11:56:12 PM
Or Anna Maxwell Martin.

Actually, I think RTD should go full‐on and play the Doctor himself.

He's going to let Gatiss have that honour.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: chveik on September 29, 2021, 01:13:21 AM
if there's something Who needs less of it's posh twats. wallers-bridge is fucking landed gentry

she's the voice of our generation
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Rev+ on September 29, 2021, 04:28:47 AM
Surely this is the project that can get Joe Don Baker out of retirement.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 29, 2021, 08:02:53 AM
Go different species, really shake things up. You can train dogs to do stuff, "What's that Doctor? A Dalek has fallen down the well?"
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: thr0b on September 29, 2021, 11:02:56 AM
Give it to Sean Pertwee, playing it in the style of Alfred from Gotham.

I know he doesn't want to, but tough. It's his role.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 29, 2021, 11:08:03 AM
A friend says there's "A credible memo" going around suggesting it'll be Lydia West, but after a brief search the only thing I've found is that someone on Gallifrey Base claims to have seen a leaked email, so it's probably just pure speculation.

Go different species, really shake things up. You can train dogs to do stuff, "What's that Doctor? A Dalek has fallen down the well?"

I reckon you're on to something here, and 2013's A Talking Cat shows we have the technology to make realistic animal mouth movement. https://youtu.be/Y-h-KpG2tHM?t=57
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:41:36 AM
Why not just give it to Ian Botham in the style of a blacked-up Patrick Troughton.  Seems like the most natural route of least resistance.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 29, 2021, 11:43:55 AM
Colin Baker, Lalla Ward, Capaldi and Gillan had all previously been in Who (and spin-offs, in Capaldi's case) before their turns as The Doctor or a companion, of course.

Don't know if it counts, but Lydia West has done a Big Finish. I think it was one of the ones without the Doctor in it, though.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 29, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
I must say I am VERY against the idea of Olly Alexander being the Doctor, unfortunately this is due to my prejudice against people named Olly
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:44:46 AM
A friend says there's "A credible memo" going around suggesting it'll be Lydia West, but after a brief search the only thing I've found is that someone on Gallifrey Base claims to have seen a leaked email, so it's probably just pure speculation.

There’s an otherwise quite listenable YouTuber who keeps obstinately posting rumours under the banner “leaks”.  He even starts these videos with a little response to people who tell him he should label them as “rumours” - “I have always called them ‘leaks’ and people will be confused if I change it now” or words to that effect.

Deeply annoying clickbait malarkey.  Wish he’d stop.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:46:12 AM
I must say I am VERY against the idea of Olly Alexander being the Doctor, unfortunately this is due to my prejudice against people named Olly

How about a follow up to “The Doctor’s Wife” with Olly Alexander as the TARDIS.  It would work especially well if the Doctor is a lady at the time.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 29, 2021, 11:46:43 AM
I had a leak at the BBC once!! (went for a wee there) (in my pants) (while laughing in the audience for a recording of Alan Carr's Celebrity Ding Dong)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:48:26 AM
I had a leak at the BBC once!! (went for a wee there) (in my pants) (while laughing in the audience for a recording of Alan Carr's Celebrity Ding Dong)

And did the title of the show fully prepare you for the microphone in the toilet?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: purlieu on September 29, 2021, 11:49:19 AM
I think they should go full-on meta and have the Doctor play the Doctor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 29, 2021, 11:49:39 AM
I must say I am VERY against the idea of Olly Alexander being the Doctor, unfortunately this is due to my prejudice against people named Olly

Oi![1]
 1. Oi![1]
 1. Oi!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:50:34 AM
I think they should go full-on meta and have the Doctor play the Doctor.

I’m sure Chibnall already has that sorted for the BBC centenary thing
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Oi![1]
 1. Oi![1]
 1. Oi!

Olly with a ‘y’


Oily with an ‘oi’



I hope this helps
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Thomas on September 29, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
If DWM celebrate RTD's return with the headline 'change, my dear - and it seems not a moment too soon' I might just shell out for a copy.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: McDead on September 29, 2021, 12:49:36 PM
If DWM celebrate RTD's return with the headline 'change, my dear - and it seems not a moment too soon' I might just shell out for a copy.

One day I shall come back...
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: MojoJojo on September 29, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
If they're going to pick a woman who has already appeared in Who then it should be Rachael Stirling.

Now, I know this might sound a bit mental but I think it would be interesting if they can pull it off: Billy Piper?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 29, 2021, 01:37:39 PM
Now, I know this might sound a bit mental but I think it would be interesting if they can pull it off: Billy Piper?
Yeah, she'd be great. I'd be up for that
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 29, 2021, 02:24:47 PM
Oooh, Kathryn Hahn
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 29, 2021, 02:37:27 PM
Sally Phillips.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 29, 2021, 02:38:29 PM
Oooh, Kathryn Hahn

I still don't think a non-UK Doctor is right. It's the closest I get to patriotism.

Gillian Anderson is about 50% British. That's as far as I'll go
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Butchers Blind on September 29, 2021, 02:44:59 PM
I just remembered that RTD episode of DW where that fella ended up having oral sex with a paving slab.
Amazing to have him back on board again.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: chveik on September 29, 2021, 03:06:03 PM
Sally Phillips.

i'd watch that
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on September 29, 2021, 03:17:38 PM
I just remembered that RTD episode of DW where that fella ended up having oral sex with a paving slab.
Amazing to have him back on board again.
I was fucking livid about that at the time but now a sequel where he shags the slab over and over for 42 minutes would be just the tonic we need after the Chibnall era
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on September 29, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Can't help but feel that thrusting into a concrete slab would create a certain level of unwanted friction.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on September 29, 2021, 03:44:03 PM
I was fucking livid about that at the time but now a sequel where he shags the slab over and over for 42 minutes would be just the tonic we need after the Chibnall era

I hated that ending, but it'll be good to have completely mad, unpredictable dark shit back as a possibility after years of bland, obvious, unremarkable plotting.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 29, 2021, 04:13:27 PM
I was fucking livid about that at the time but now a sequel where he shags the slab over and over for 42 minutes would be just the tonic we need after the Chibnall era

Can't believe they never got round to merchandising this - would make the ideal Christmas pressie for the lonely Dr Who fan!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on September 29, 2021, 04:29:41 PM
No point after Blue Peter already showed everyone how to make their own with a paving slab and a fleshlight.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on September 29, 2021, 06:34:00 PM
And did the title of the show fully prepare you for the microphone in the toilet?

(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Guy-Goma-668831.jpg)

Going by Guy’s reaction, probably not.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: canted_angle_again on September 29, 2021, 10:01:01 PM
I'm not sure any of you guys follow this guy but for me he kinda epitomises everything that's wrong with the whole 'Doctor Who is too woke' thing. The guy is a literal stupid shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsQaVVLWXo
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on September 29, 2021, 10:30:33 PM
Urgh god, that bloke is poisonous - a complete rotter!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:15:28 PM
Can't help but feel that thrusting into a concrete slab would create a certain level of unwanted friction.

she would craft her concrete mouth into an accommodating shape remember
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2021, 11:22:19 PM
No point after Blue Peter already showed everyone how to make their own with a paving slab and a fleshlight.

Saved Christmas in our household yet again, that year.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Cloud on September 30, 2021, 12:50:45 AM
I reckon he should do a Seth Mcfarlane and just play the Doctor himself

But the alternate species idea is good. How about some kind of furry! The Doctor's a Protogen now, beep boop
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: chveik on September 30, 2021, 01:42:14 AM
go full woke and get a marxist doctor like maxine peake
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 30, 2021, 07:05:38 AM
go full woke and get a marxist doctor like maxine peake

marxine peake she is called
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 30, 2021, 07:50:17 AM
I'm not sure any of you guys follow this guy but for me he kinda epitomises everything that's wrong with the whole 'Doctor Who is too woke' thing. The guy is a literal stupid shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsQaVVLWXo

I hope RTD casts another woman just to keep these babies miserable. A trans woman preferably, they’ll love that.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on September 30, 2021, 09:25:11 AM
I'm not sure any of you guys follow this guy but for me he kinda epitomises everything that's wrong with the whole 'Doctor Who is too woke' thing. The guy is a literal stupid shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsQaVVLWXo

I don't follow him (ugh, the very idea!) but I did see another one of his videos where he was literally screaming about how the Doctor can't be a woman.

I'd done a YouTube search to see what people were saying about the RTD news, and at least half the videos that came up featured men ranting about "wokeness" during the Chibnall era.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 30, 2021, 10:27:34 AM
I hope RTD casts another woman just to keep these babies miserable. A trans woman preferably, they’ll love that.

A Crying Game in Space and Time
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on September 30, 2021, 11:42:35 AM
go full woke and get a marxist doctor like maxine peake

FOR REAL YES
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on September 30, 2021, 12:01:48 PM
AUTHOR OF GORMANGHAST TRILOGY TO PLAY NEXT INCARNATION OF THE DOCTOR



why thank you, The Sun headline - your literary references are so up your own street
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: pigamus on September 30, 2021, 12:07:09 PM
What if Suranne Jones were to become the first actor to play both the Doctor and the TARDIS
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: C_Larence on September 30, 2021, 12:08:08 PM
Lydia West has done a Big Finish.

They’ve all done a big finish by the time… etc


Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Natnar on September 30, 2021, 11:22:24 PM
What if Suranne Jones were to become the first actor to play both the Doctor and the TARDIS

Will she be able to enter herself through her own console?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on October 03, 2021, 11:28:18 PM
As if it needed confirming, John Barrowman won't be back. Been sacked by ITV from Dancing on Ice and some sort of sexual misconduct claims have surfaced.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 04, 2021, 03:19:57 AM
That's pretty old news on the misconduct claims front, isn't it? Or is it new claims that have come out?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ambient Sheep on October 04, 2021, 04:24:06 AM
I had a Google after reading that post and no, it's just the old stuff.  Here's the Mirror's take:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/john-barrowman-wont-appear-judge-25129308

Which links back to a story from July that had some interesting quotes I hadn't seen before:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/john-barrowman-given-second-chance-24579154
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Barrowman, who lives in California with his husband Scott Gill, says his flashing antics stopped overnight after he was given a dressing down by executive producer Julie Gardner, who’d received a complaint. “My antics had come to her attention and she told me I should rein in my behaviour,” he explained. “In blunt terms, she had just two words of advice: ‘Grow up!’

"That struck a chord. I did as I was told and my behaviour changed overnight.

“I can see now my actions were pretty juvenile but this was a different time and it’s something I would not do today.”

In response to the stories in May, a video of Captain Jack was dropped from the Doctor Who theatre show Time Fraction and Barrowman was also axed from an audio project for Torchwood featuring David Tennant.

Apologising at the time, he said: “With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously. Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed.”

The family entertainer, who is known for calling everything ‘fabulous’, thinks he is suffering because of Clarke, who was stripped of his Outstanding Contribution Bafta shortly after receiving it.

“It seems to me that I’ve become collateral damage to a much bigger story,” he said.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 04, 2021, 07:17:46 AM
Calling it “exuberant” behaviour, just like you’d get from an over-enthusiastic and ultimately blameless puppy, and blaming Clarke.


Sounds like he’s really taking responsibility for this.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Butchers Blind on October 04, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
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It seems to me that I’ve become collateral damage to a much bigger story

He's totally understood the situation and realised he was being a nob-out cunt.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 04, 2021, 11:50:16 AM
Weird how it was shrugged off at the time though.  It even received a glib, humorous mention in that cover of Victoria Wood’s “Let’s Do It” as if it wasn’t that big of a deal.

Quote
I can’t do it!
I can’t do it!
The pressure of the BBC.
I must e-mail some young male
To alleviate the stress on me.
I can’t block out, please lock out,
Images of Johnny B getting his cock out.
I can’t do it!
I can’t do it tonight!


That’s not how you respond to something that’s understood to be thoroughly objectionable, is it.  At the time of that song I had no idea it was true - I thought it was a stupid idea just invented for the song to rhyme, and thought it was quite amusing on that basis.

I wonder if anyone thought it was true from listening to the song, and didn’t think it was “off”.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on October 04, 2021, 05:23:20 PM
I don't remember exactly when I learned about it but my understanding is that it was generally known about (amongst the kind of people who read Doctor Who threads on forums, that is).

Pretty sure I knew about it. I didn't necessarily think it was ok but maybe my thinking was more "well I wouldn't like that to happen to me at work, but it's been done in public and nobody seems to be complaining about it to HR so maybe they don't mind".
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 04, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
Adult needs to be told getting your cock out in the workplace is wrong
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 04, 2021, 06:47:07 PM
I was reading about Barrowman's "antics" on the Torchwood set[1] when season one of that show was on.

Still, was thinking about this the other day, and as much as he was obviously an annoying cunt to work with, if he has changed his ways and made amends in the intervening period, I'm not sure he should be blacklisted now.

And if he should be blacklisted, then surely RTD, who was in charge and aware of all this, should get the boot too?

Not that I want that to happen, obviously.
 1. Something about the eyeball prop from that episode, whatever it was called, going missing on set, only for Barrowman to stride into the centre of the set, drop his keks and squeeze it out of his arse, in what he seemed to think was a hilarious prank. In retrospect, this could have happened, or it could be a homophobic list. I probably read it on b3ta or Popbitch, so also not massively reliable.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on October 04, 2021, 06:51:32 PM
I don't know if Barrowman has really apologised in any way that really sounds sincere yet.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Stone Cold Steve Austin on October 04, 2021, 07:27:31 PM
I mean, Barrowman was still doing stuff like this very much out in the open long after his telling off and supposed change of behaviour.


(https://i.imgur.com/oimGwG2.jpg)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 04, 2021, 07:35:02 PM
Hm, I think mooning a photo isn't quite in the same territory as slapping your cock on someone. It does suggest that he's still an unbearable dickhead to work with, though.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Stone Cold Steve Austin on October 04, 2021, 07:42:41 PM
Obviously not, but this is at a fan convention. I find it hard to believe he stopped getting his dick out for laughs. More to the point, if you had taken a dressing down from your boss for whipping it out all the time and had genuinely learned your lesson and taken on board that what you're doing is unacceptable, would you really then move on to mooning at public events for photos with your fellow cast members (none of whom look remotely surprised to see him doing this)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on October 04, 2021, 07:59:28 PM
John Barrowman MBE
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Malcy on October 04, 2021, 08:02:38 PM
Multiple Bum Exposings
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: jobotic on October 04, 2021, 08:02:53 PM
Massive Bell End
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 04, 2021, 08:09:19 PM
Obviously not, but this is at a fan convention. I find it hard to believe he stopped getting his dick out for laughs. More to the point, if you had taken a dressing down from your boss for whipping it out all the time and had genuinely learned your lesson and taken on board that what you're doing is unacceptable, would you really then move on to mooning at public events for photos with your fellow cast members (none of whom look remotely surprised to see him doing this)

The ones at the front might not be aware, and the one at the back is having a big chuckle.

I dunno, it still seems a bit spurious, if there aren't any further reports of him acting the cunt (in a nude/sexual context) past 2008 or whatever.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 04, 2021, 08:12:02 PM
I always think of Bob Mortimer's response to Richard Herring when he's asked if he would ever suck Keith Allen's cock.  Obvious aggravation just thinking about that man and other knob-flaunters like him.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on October 04, 2021, 08:44:46 PM
What really seems to have done Barrowman in is that video of Noel Clarke at a convention describing his willy waving antics.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Thomas on October 08, 2021, 10:47:24 AM
I dunno, it still seems a bit spurious, if there aren't any further reports of him acting the cunt (in a nude/sexual context) past 2008 or whatever.

By his own naughty gloating (https://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/a242864/john-barrowman-i-gave-eva-a-good-grope/) he was doing his 'banana trick' on the set of Desperate Housewives in 2010, but by his account Eva Longoria was into it (can't speak for any voiceless members of the crew who might have been less enthusiastic) -

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The Torchwood actor was recently cast as new character Patrick Logan alongside Longoria in the ABC drama.

Barrowman told Heat: "She's amazing. I gave her a good grope. We were doing some booty-dancing and I said, 'Show me some of that Latino ass!'. She did.

"And then I was like, 'Your boobies are doing alright, too, so I got to touch the boobs and the bum. She grabbed my goods, too. Oh, and I showed her my banana trick. I'll say no more! I can't tell you here..."

One major issue with Barrowman's behaviour is that, beyond his apparently willing and flirty castmates - some of whom have recounted his antics with glee at fan events[1] - there was an entire workplace of people who couldn't speak up if it bothered them. Lighting, cameras, extras, runners, makeup crew. All exposed to the banana trick with no voice in the matter.

Barrowman doesn't seem to have acknowledged this factor in his lame half-apologies. He still seems to be assuming that absolutely everybody present chimed with his playfully-intentioned attitude.
 1. I saw one video the other day of Eve Myles describing a day filming in the US (perhaps for Miracle Day?). They were in a taxi together, and Barrowman hopped out, up onto the bonnet, and started wiping the rainy windscreen with his dick.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 08, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Sure he’d get away with that kind of sexually predatory behaviour so often if he was a straight man.  He can’t possibly be into it, you see, because he is gay.


Groping tits for him is just the same as if he was touching the trunk of a tree in a park



your honour
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on October 08, 2021, 05:56:41 PM
Sure he’d get away with that kind of sexually predatory behaviour so often if he was a straight man.  He can’t possibly be into it, you see, because he is gay.


Groping tits for him is just the same as if he was touching the trunk of a tree in a park



your honour

Should be irrelevant. That's like arguing that it's fine for a billionaire to steal £100 out of your wallet, because £100 is nothing to a billionaire. The offence lies not in how Barrowman's behaviour affects Barrowman, but in how it affects the people he does it to.

Besides which, whether it's sexual or not, he clearly does get some kind of a thrill out of it.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Deanjam on October 08, 2021, 07:56:58 PM
The official Doctor Who accounts on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram have all closed simultaneously. Something happening maybe.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on October 08, 2021, 08:18:25 PM
The official Doctor Who accounts on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram have all closed simultaneously. Something happening maybe.

social media reality bomb to kill chrisss chibnallsss
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on October 08, 2021, 08:19:52 PM
They’ve all achieved sentience and their first act is to destroy themselves rather than be forced to publicise a new series of Chinball’s dribblings?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on October 08, 2021, 08:26:15 PM
It’s when they all start playing martial music that we’ll need to start worrying.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on October 08, 2021, 10:20:46 PM
Meanwhile: https://inews.co.uk/news/russell-t-davies-doctor-who-writer-nadine-dorries-idiot-anger-bbc-future-1237012
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: canted_angle_again on October 08, 2021, 11:11:40 PM
Meanwhile: https://inews.co.uk/news/russell-t-davies-doctor-who-writer-nadine-dorries-idiot-anger-bbc-future-1237012

Well she's a tory so she's either a billionaire or an idiot. Either way he's not wrong. #RTDFORPM
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on October 08, 2021, 11:17:30 PM
oh FUCK YOU
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on October 09, 2021, 07:48:45 AM
Haha, brilliant. Welcome back Russell.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 09, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
Should be irrelevant. That's like arguing that it's fine for a billionaire to steal £100 out of your wallet, because £100 is nothing to a billionaire. The offence lies not in how Barrowman's behaviour affects Barrowman, but in how it affects the people he does it to.

Besides which, whether it's sexual or not, he clearly does get some kind of a thrill out of it.

You didn’t perceive the sarcasm or tone of my post.

I’m talking about the perspectives of the people he is affecting, not him.  And I am saying he obviously gets a thrill out of it but people - those he is groping, even - appear to let him off due to an assumption that his orientation means he doesn’t.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: canted_angle_again on October 09, 2021, 09:16:59 PM
oh FUCK YOU

ASL?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 10, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
ASL?

ASMR
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on October 10, 2021, 11:54:51 AM
ASL?

69urmum
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on October 11, 2021, 04:29:30 PM
Sony about to take over Bad Wolf, apparently.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Malcy on October 11, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
Sony about to take over Bad Wolf, apparently.
Saw something saying HBO were taking over as well.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 11, 2021, 06:30:20 PM
What does it mean in practical terms?  Ownership of Doctor Who by American companies?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mjwilson on October 11, 2021, 07:17:46 PM
I don't think so, the BBC will only have sold the rights to produce DW for a limited period.
Higher budgets maybe? And presumably Sony think that, if all goes well, they would be in a better position to negotiate for movie rights or whatever.

Also Spider-man is going to be the next Doctor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on October 11, 2021, 08:04:40 PM
wait what. is this something worth worrying over?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Gurke and Hare on October 11, 2021, 08:33:30 PM
Higher budgets maybe?

Doubt it. The amount that they're being paid to make it will presumably be agreed already, so they won't want to go over that suddenly.

wait what. is this something worth worrying over?

I don't think so, I'd assume the BBC will have a veto over stuff like casting the Doctor.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 11, 2021, 08:34:23 PM
It begs the question:  might RTD showrunning a fresh era of Doctor Who have been one of the conditions for the contract with Sony?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: mothman on October 11, 2021, 08:59:24 PM
I don't think so, I'd assume the BBC will have a veto over stuff like casting the Doctor.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/madmanwithabooth/images/7/7f/AmericanInspector.jpg)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 11, 2021, 09:53:53 PM
It begs the question:  might RTD showrunning a fresh era of Doctor Who have been one of the conditions for the contract with Sony?

It's certainly possible. Sony don't give a shit about quality control, it's all about the investment; they'd happily carry on with Chinballs if his iteration of Doctor Who had been successful. But they'll have looked at the numbers, seen that it was far more popular under RTD (and Moffat, who 'broke' the show in America), and stipulated that one of those guys should be in charge again.

Which is pure conjecture, I know, but it doesn't sound all that unlikely.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ambient Sheep on October 11, 2021, 10:17:59 PM
Sony about to take over Bad Wolf, apparently.
Saw something saying HBO were taking over as well.

wait what. is this something worth worrying over?

Yeah, first I've heard of this.  Any chance of some links?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Uncle TechTip on October 11, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Why would Sony have any say over which company produces Dr Who? Perhaps it was more like Sony promised investment if RTD could convince the BBC to give him the show (or rather Bad Wolf which I assume he has an interest in). Maybe the BBC knew when they decided. They'd still have to fund it unless they are prepared to give up international rights or something.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on October 11, 2021, 10:26:06 PM
Bad Wolf does more than just the new new Doctor Who so the deal might not have anything directly to do with it. Just Sony buying a successful production company.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on October 11, 2021, 10:34:22 PM
The whole series since 2005 has been up on HBO Max for a year or so, I guess we take it as read a deal has been on the cards for some time. Article from a month ago seems to support the idea: https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-disney-plus-new-direction-bbc-coproductions/

Also I'm sure I remember reading a quote from an interview where RTD was predicting that the future of Dr Who would be on streaming platforms, maybe he's known for longer than we thought that he'd be coming back to it.

Oh wait, here's the quote, it was only from back in January. So feasibly he could already been approached at that point

https://twitter.com/prkirkley/status/1352578909259390976
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 11, 2021, 10:45:34 PM
Yeah, first I've heard of this.  Any chance of some links?

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-producer-bad-wolf-sony-newsupdate/
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 11, 2021, 11:00:22 PM
Why would Sony have any say over which company produces Dr Who? Perhaps it was more like Sony promised investment if RTD could convince the BBC to give him the show (or rather Bad Wolf which I assume he has an interest in). Maybe the BBC knew when they decided. They'd still have to fund it unless they are prepared to give up international rights or something.

Yeah. Despite what I said earlier (I'm just typing out loud), this arrangement probably has nothing to do with Doctor Who as such. Bad Wolf already have ties with American television, they have a proven track record (e.g. the TV adaptation of His Dark Materials), so it's presumably just another case of Sony investing in a company that could make them some money. And if it doesn't work out, well they won't lose any sleep over it.

I really can't imagine RTD and Gardner agreeing to this if it meant losing creative control of their projects. RTD doesn't have a financial stake in Bad Wolf, but he's not going to risk his reputation on reviving Doctor Who (again) if a soulless corporation is calling the shots. Gardner doesn't have to put up with that hassle either, she's an excellent producer.

RTD doesn't really need to do this, he's one of UK television's most successful and respected dramatists, so I think it's fair to assume that he's doing it because he wants to Make Doctor Who Great Again (MDWGA baseball caps will soon be on sale from BBC Worldwide; pre-order now!).

Anyway, here's some more info about Bad Wolf: https://bad-wolf.com/about/ (https://bad-wolf.com/about/)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 11, 2021, 11:01:30 PM
Bad Wolf does more than just the new new Doctor Who so the deal might not have anything directly to do with it. Just Sony buying a successful production company.

Alberon, there, nailing my point in a far less prolix way.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: daf on October 11, 2021, 11:16:08 PM
Relax everyone - it's going to be both mint and skill!
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 11, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Those Shakin' Doctor Who days will soon be behind us.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 11, 2021, 11:40:56 PM
The RT story also says that HBO will retain its minority share in Bad Wolf, since people were asking upthread.

Also, Bad Wolf is (AFAIK) just being brought on to co-produce Who, presumably as a condition of RTD coming onboard (although maybe things will continue if all works well) and rights to the show will remain with the BBC. I don't see how the Sony deal would upend that, especially as the contracts will already have been signed.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ambient Sheep on October 12, 2021, 02:44:44 AM
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-producer-bad-wolf-sony-newsupdate/

Ah, thanks for that, all is clear now!

My confusion wasn't helped by the fact that my brain had forgotten about Bad Wolf being the name of the production company who were going to be doing RTD-2-Who, so seeing the words "Sony about to take over Bad Wolf, apparently." made me think it was a whimsical way of saying that Sony were taking over Who entirely.

Sorry, been a long and busy day.  I get it now.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 14, 2021, 12:34:08 AM
In case you didn't see it in the banana thread, RTD slammed the anti-trans LGB Alliance (https://twitter.com/AttitudeMag/status/1448310820744617988) while picking up an Attitude Inspiration Award for Its a Sin.

Wonder if he'll address this in some form in his upcoming Who series?
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 14, 2021, 02:28:35 AM
I bloody love that man. RTD's DW tenure wasn't perfect, of course it wasn't, but it was driven by a talented person who's passionate, witty, angry, decent and intelligent. An imaginative writer with a solid moral compass. The polar opposite of Chibnall.

Anyway, everything RTD said there is far more important than having another pop at Chibnall on an internet forum. But really, thank fuck he's in charge of Doctor Who again.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 14, 2021, 06:37:07 AM
Well, imagine if he had said all those things, and then also added, with a whisper and his index finger to his lips, “Psst!  Chris Chibnall is shite!!” and then skipped off on elfish tip-toes like he had stolen Santa Claus in a bag.


Win-win
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: olliebean on October 15, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
In case you didn't see it in the banana thread, RTD slammed the anti-trans LGB Alliance (https://twitter.com/AttitudeMag/status/1448310820744617988) while picking up an Attitude Inspiration Award for Its a Sin.

Wonder if he'll address this in some form in his upcoming Who series?

Almost missed this, but at the end of that video he announces who the next Doctor will be.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Blofelds Cat on October 15, 2021, 01:03:03 PM
When did these 2 become MILFy cougars?

Hywel Wood...


(https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/jane-tranter_julie-gardner.jpg)
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Blinder Data on October 15, 2021, 03:02:37 PM
RTD has got better with age. Banana, A Very English Scandal, Years and Years[1] and It's a Sin - what a run of hits for someone after leaving one of the biggest showrunning gigs in British TV.

I think he was appointed to save the show from neglect and because no one else is as qualified. Handing it over to some bright new thing would be exceedingly risky. There's no safe pair of hands among the current writers, and Chibbers has proven the limitations of going "safe".

He has grown in confidence since his time as showrunner too. I think, like last time, he will introduce some barmy ideas and piss off old-fashioned fans all the time. Crucially though, it will not be deathly dull and irrelevant as it is now.

He can make us look forward to a new series of Doctor Who again! Yesssssssss
 1. well, some of it
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Alberon on October 15, 2021, 03:15:39 PM
I still think this run won't be as long as his first. He'll be in the showrunner slot for a couple of series, just to stop the ship from sinking and then move back to a more hands-off overview of the series as a new producer takes over.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: JamesTC on October 15, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if he co-showruns a series with whoever takes over to ease them in.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 15, 2021, 05:03:27 PM
I still think this run won't be as long as his first. He'll be in the showrunner slot for a couple of series, just to stop the ship from sinking and then move back to a more hands-off overview of the series as a new producer takes over.

I’m expecting that RTD may take quite a permanent hands-off overseeing position from this point onwards, after getting it back on track with a couple of his own series.  His position within Bad Wolf production company may cement him as the custodian of Doctor Who somehow, to ensure it can never go too far off the rails.  He may be routinely called upon to rescue it hereafter.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on October 15, 2021, 05:13:11 PM
When did these 2 become MILFy cougars?

phwooaaar thread is in the bin. get in the bin
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 15, 2021, 06:07:54 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if he co-showruns a series with whoever takes over to ease them in.

Or possibly, per Replies, stays on in some kind of Sidney Newman role, overseeing larger production issues while others come in as rotating head writers with their own takes on the material. That would be a more sustainable model, I think (assuming RTD rotated out whenever he got knackered), than having a one-man-band showrunner who has to do absolutely everything.

Davies would need to be comfortable stepping back and letting someone else follow their vision and aesthetic for the show, though, and I don't know if his workaholic nature will allow for that. Maybe if he can distract himself with other projects - perhaps that "Marvel Universe, but for Doctor Who" thing he was talking about, or just his own stuff a la It's a Sin.
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Replies From View on October 16, 2021, 08:39:55 PM
Was just thinking it would be good if the costume for the 14th Doctor was a stolen mechanic’s outfit and a white William Shatner mask
Title: Re: RTD back for Doctor Who
Post by: Mister Six on October 17, 2021, 03:21:42 AM
Wholoween.